Author Topic: Amenorrhea: Regaining & Regulating Missing, Light or Rare Menstrual Cycles/Menses/Periods  (Read 41252 times)

Offline MamaSong

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Hi, SunRose, me again!  I really think there should be a link on this thread to your other post, as the symptoms are very likely related.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8071.0.html

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That's very interesting herbs girl!  I too had problems starting my period after breast feeding for 11 mos and the dr. said some hormone level was high(sorry can't remember, maybe fsh) and I'm thinking they gave me progesterone pills orally to stop that hormone and balance things.  It did dry up my milk, but I didn't start and I was in a hurry to have another baby so I did a course of clomid and was pregnant right away. But I'm still not regular by any means and I suspect early menopause (I'm 34).  I tested my own fsh using the at-home kits from the drug store and one time it was positive for fsh and the second test was negative.  It claims that is suggestive of perimenopause.  I'm excited about the mountainherbs products and am going to give them a try.  My only concern is,  when I used the vitex  to balance things(I don't know the herbs in t&c or hb) I experienced major yeast-like issues.  I think it was working but I didn't stay the course b/c of the yeast.  Did you experience any thing like that with the formulas you used.  Plus, are theses the same herbs you used initially to induce your first period?  If not, what were they.

The herbs I used to induce my last period after a 4 month plus stretch with no Per. in sight was...

No 6 Stimulate Menses Regime

from MommaKath's   website at Tryingtoconcieve.com

I am not trying to concieve,by the way ;)  But I think they just stimulated  a period, not really got all my hormones totally balanced out. Plus, they were EXPENSIVE!!  Mountain Meadow Herbs products work out to about 30.00+ a month. But MommaKath's was around 68.00 -  70.00 for one months worth of herbal regime. She gives you the herbs in all the little bottles and tells you exactly what to take when.  I can give you the information about what I took, and it would save you some money, just PM me.

I have a really strong hope that these MountainMeadow Herbs formulas will work. I have a hard time being patient, but they say women notice a difference in around 6 weeks or less.  I looked up pretty much all the herbs on the internet  that were included in the HB and T&C formulas. ALmost all of the herbs in the formulas were good for amenorrhea (absence of periods) so that encouraged me!



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Thanks again for the info, but ouch! I don't think I can go for that price right now on the MommaKath's!   I went and looked up the mountain herbs stuff and I think I might give those a try. The price seems resonable enough, but I might just wait for an update on how they worked for you before going there:).

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Ok Ill let you know how it worked!  I am taking 1 tsp a day of the T&C instead of 3/4 tsp like the bottle says. I feel like my situation is desperate enough I may up the dose a little on the HB if I dont get results for that too!!.  My sister has endometriosis and The T&C has really cut down her pain I think.  The MMherbs lady told me my sister could take 1/4 tsp of T&C 4x a day, so I figure I can too!  I am just a little desperate. I feel like a 12 year old again waiting for her period ;D. Only a little worse maybe?? :)



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No, I haven't lost any weight, but that would make sense.
Stress, not really.

I will go to the ob-gyn next week I think and have a scan. Perhaps this should be my first step before I go into another avenue.

I am also going to check out that website with the products one of you recommended. I may call them and see if I can get some personal consultation.

Thank you so much for your caring responses.

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Allright, y'all, thought I would update you an my condition (if you even remember me after so long:))
I went to a gynecologist and had a Pap smear and internal ultrasound (NEVER want to do that again!) and was  put on a progesterone pill to bring on a period to get hormone level tests on the first day. I was then diagnosed with PCOS. Now I am on the Pill to give me the hormones my body is not producing (apparently). It's helping some with acne and energy level (not as bombed in the mornings) but it also costs $55 a month and I want to get off it ONTO something else to help the PCOS. I have a lot to learn about it and I'm joining a forum called Soulcysters (my sister introduced me to it--she also has PCOS). Insulin resistance is puzzling me now--some people seem to think it's the root cause of PCOS, but then they're always talking about the weight problem usually associated with the syndrome, and I don't have a weight problem (thank you, Lord!). Any thoughts on this? Is there another thread I should investigate?

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Hi polly--

I was also just diagnosed with PCOS, but I do have a wieght problem. I like soul cysters. There is alot of info over there. I am under the screen name herbsgril there too.  Try the alternative remedies board. If you want natural progesterone that is safe and cheap try Progon b. Natural progesterone cream does not work for me, but Progon b does. It brings on a period (bleeding) if you take it for 2 weeks or less then stop. It is important for us with PCOS to get periods at least  every 3 months...because If we dont we have a higher risk of Uterine cancer scince the uterus is not shedding the lining like it normally would when we have normal periods.  Progon b is only 30 dollars and will last almost 4 months taken 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.  It is safer than the cream or prometrium. My doctor said they treat PCOS with birth control pills to regulate periods, but this progon b is much safer and natural way to get your period every month, just take it 2 wks on, then 2 wks off.

I guess I cannot relate to being skinny Cyster!  I am a heavier cyster...I was up to 190.5 but I am losing down to below 183.5 and going down, I think. With a BMI that good I would not say  you need to lose wieght!   I am treating my PCOS with Cinnamon (NOW brand) and losing weight right now.

If you want more information on the progon b let me know.  Meanwhile, there is a wealth of information on Soulcysters and also on PCOSupport.org.  On PCOSupport.org,  women treat there PCOS with cinnamon and it helps there periods come back.



Offline hedy

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Have you looked at the other threads here on PCOS?

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3459.0.html

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3237.0.html

And there are some threads on insulin resistance as well. I have PCOS and am not heavy. The specialist I saw says it is not uncommon and yes, IR is still at the root.

Progesterone and Metformin are two alternatives to taking bcp's. Don't be afraid to get a second opinion if you don't feel comfortable with the therapies you are currently on. I have had much more success seeing a fertility specialist (reproductive endocrinologist) than I had with OB/GYNs. You should be able to transfer your records so you don't have to go through all the exam stuff again.

Diet also is very important when you have PCOS. Carbohydrates must be kept moderate. Some supplements that help IR (and thus PCOS) are cinnamon, cod liver oil, and chromium. My younger sister, who is showing signs of IR, is losing weight simply by taking cinnamon.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 06:53:36 PM by hedy »

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Hi all,
   Here's my situation: I have dealt with a lot of chronic/type health issues over the past 7 or so years - yeast, food sensitivities, many digestive issues, probable hormonal imbalance, weight loss, etc. When I was really ill, I ended up with my weight dropping to 95 lb for a height of 5'5". Around then, my periods stopped and didn't return. I didn't worry too much because I was dealing with a lot more pressing health issues.
     After about a year and a half, I figured - I need to work on getting my cycles back into whack! So I talked to my nutritionist (she's across the ocean now...  :() and she put me on Evening Primrose Oil (HIGH doses) and within a month I had a normal period. For the first time in my life, I started having periods every 28 days, and after a while I went off of the EPO.
    Now, I have always had REALLY light periods. All I need to wear is a "lightdays" type pantiliner - ever - sorry, TMI! However, they have gotten lighter and lighter recently and less regular. I really just had spotting this last time. I'm frustrated, thinking "Here we go again...."
    I am now at a healthy weight of 122 for 5'5". I feel that I may have signs of estrogen dominance, and wonder if I should be supplementing w/progesterone? I'm a young adult, unmarried, and want to get my hormonal system in shape now so that I don't compromise my fertility for the future.
   I'm hoping all of you knowlegable women can give me some pointers.
Is it normal to be having such light periods? If I take basal body temps and find out that I'm not ovulating, then what?
   Thanks. I want to be a mom someday and am concerned about the state of my body! :) Were any of you like me and then did you go on to have healthy babies?

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Hi all,
   Here's my situation: I have dealt with a lot of chronic/type health issues over the past 7 or so years - yeast, food sensitivities, many digestive issues, probable hormonal imbalance, weight loss, etc. When I was really ill, I ended up with my weight dropping to 95 lb for a height of 5'5". Around then, my periods stopped and didn't return. I didn't worry too much because I was dealing with a lot more pressing health issues.
     After about a year and a half, I figured - I need to work on getting my cycles back into whack! So I talked to my nutritionist (she's across the ocean now...  :() and she put me on Evening Primrose Oil (HIGH doses) and within a month I had a normal period. For the first time in my life, I started having periods every 28 days, and after a while I went off of the EPO.
    Now, I have always had REALLY light periods. All I need to wear is a "lightdays" type pantiliner - ever - sorry, TMI! However, they have gotten lighter and lighter recently and less regular. I really just had spotting this last time. I'm frustrated, thinking "Here we go again...."
    I am now at a healthy weight of 122 for 5'5". I feel that I may have signs of estrogen dominance, and wonder if I should be supplementing w/progesterone? I'm a young adult, unmarried, and want to get my hormonal system in shape now so that I don't compromise my fertility for the future.
   I'm hoping all of you knowlegable women can give me some pointers.
Is it normal to be having such light periods? If I take basal body temps and find out that I'm not ovulating, then what?
   Thanks. I want to be a mom someday and am concerned about the state of my body! :) Were any of you like me and then did you go on to have healthy babies?


From what you describe, sounds like progesterone cream would be beneficial.   Seems like there is a thread on here about bringing back periods using sublingual progesterone, but I can't remember what title it was under. ???  I believe I read this will also raise the basal temp if that's a problem. 

I'm just curious as well, what are your chronic health issues?  Are you dealing with hypothyroidism, IBS, or Chrohn's.  Do you feel like your yeast and food sensitivities are back in order now?  You sound very knowledgable, so I'm sure you probably know cleaning up the gut can be  a good place to start too.


As far as going on to have children after such a hard time in the past...you sound like you're on the right track.  I know I've read some threads here too of some of the women having dramatic health issues, but still having babies.  So I guess it's possible.  I had mine BEFORE all this junk happened to me .   HTH

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CNM2B,

I would recommend that you take your basal temps.  I've learned that alot can be learned from those precious temps.   ;)  May I ask why you discontinued the EPO?  I would continue taking that, especially since it helped before.  For me, vitex/chasteberry helped regulate my hormones. 

I was also wondering if 122 is actually a healthy enough weight for a 5'5" person's frame.  I know for me, I'm 5'3" and my healthy is between 115 and 120.  I dipped down below 100 when I was a teen and my cycles stopped completely.  I don't want to scare you, but I feel that because of that dramatic and unhealthy weight loss it caused my progesterone levels to decrease drastically and from that I lost 3 babies.  We ladies need to have a healthy layer of fat on us, as that is actually where our hormones are stored.  Maybe your nutritionist could give you more info on what a healthy weight should be.  Sometimes gaining as little as 5 pounds can actually make your hormones regulate.  And you may have other health issues that affect that as well, I don't know.

I greatly admire you for wanting to figure this out now, before any future babies.  I wish so bad I'd had the info then that I know now.  :-\  But it's all in God's timing and God's will.  So I would suggest the basal temps and supplementing with progesterone cream and either EPO or vitex/chasteberry or both.  May God bless you with abundant health and abundant babies someday!  ;D

Kendra

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Hi all,
   Here's my situation: I have dealt with a lot of chronic/type health issues over the past 7 or so years - yeast, food sensitivities, many digestive issues, probable hormonal imbalance, weight loss, etc. When I was really ill, I ended up with my weight dropping to 95 lb for a height of 5'5". Around then, my periods stopped and didn't return. I didn't worry too much because I was dealing with a lot more pressing health issues.
     After about a year and a half, I figured - I need to work on getting my cycles back into whack! So I talked to my nutritionist (she's across the ocean now...  :() and she put me on Evening Primrose Oil (HIGH doses) and within a month I had a normal period. For the first time in my life, I started having periods every 28 days, and after a while I went off of the EPO.
    Now, I have always had REALLY light periods. All I need to wear is a "lightdays" type pantiliner - ever - sorry, TMI! However, they have gotten lighter and lighter recently and less regular. I really just had spotting this last time. I'm frustrated, thinking "Here we go again...."
    I am now at a healthy weight of 122 for 5'5". I feel that I may have signs of estrogen dominance, and wonder if I should be supplementing w/progesterone? I'm a young adult, unmarried, and want to get my hormonal system in shape now so that I don't compromise my fertility for the future.
   I'm hoping all of you knowlegable women can give me some pointers.
Is it normal to be having such light periods? If I take basal body temps and find out that I'm not ovulating, then what?
   Thanks. I want to be a mom someday and am concerned about the state of my body! :) Were any of you like me and then did you go on to have healthy babies?


From what you describe, sounds like progesterone cream would be beneficial.   Seems like there is a thread on here about bringing back periods using sublingual progesterone, but I can't remember what title it was under. ???  I believe I read this will also raise the basal temp if that's a problem. 

I'm just curious as well, what are your chronic health issues?  Are you dealing with hypothyroidism, IBS, or Chrohn's.  Do you feel like your yeast and food sensitivities are back in order now?  You sound very knowledgable, so I'm sure you probably know cleaning up the gut can be  a good place to start too.


As far as going on to have children after such a hard time in the past...you sound like you're on the right track.  I know I've read some threads here too of some of the women having dramatic health issues, but still having babies.  So I guess it's possible.  I had mine BEFORE all this junk happened to me .   HTH


Thanks so much for your thoughts!! Thyroid issues run in my family (hyperthyroid and cancer - my mom) and my nutritionist talked about low thyroid with me at one time. After getting healthier, I feel that's resolved - I think my thyroid was acting up as a result of the general exhaustion of my body. I don't have low energy or depression or the classic things I'd think of with low thyroid.
   No Crohns - I guess you might say I have IBS? I have extreme problems with chronic constipation - take 6-7 capsules of cascara sagrada a day and some magnesium. I've not been able to find any answers or solutions yet. I also struggle with food cravings and bloating on an almost daily basis. Food sensitivities seem to be resolved except for dairy, but I'm afraid I still need to work on the yeast! I am going to buckle down and do another yeast-diet (cut out sugars and some grains) and take Yeast Assassin in addition to my 4 capsules of Tummy Tuneup a day.

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CNM2B,

I would recommend that you take your basal temps.  I've learned that alot can be learned from those precious temps.   ;)  May I ask why you discontinued the EPO?  I would continue taking that, especially since it helped before.  For me, vitex/chasteberry helped regulate my hormones. 

I was also wondering if 122 is actually a healthy enough weight for a 5'5" person's frame.  I know for me, I'm 5'3" and my healthy is between 115 and 120.  I dipped down below 100 when I was a teen and my cycles stopped completely.  I don't want to scare you, but I feel that because of that dramatic and unhealthy weight loss it caused my progesterone levels to decrease drastically and from that I lost 3 babies.  We ladies need to have a healthy layer of fat on us, as that is actually where our hormones are stored.  Maybe your nutritionist could give you more info on what a healthy weight should be.  Sometimes gaining as little as 5 pounds can actually make your hormones regulate.  And you may have other health issues that affect that as well, I don't know.

I greatly admire you for wanting to figure this out now, before any future babies.  I wish so bad I'd had the info then that I know now.  :-\  But it's all in God's timing and God's will.  So I would suggest the basal temps and supplementing with progesterone cream and either EPO or vitex/chasteberry or both.  May God bless you with abundant health and abundant babies someday!  ;D

Kendra

Thanks westernmama. I do think that my weight is good - it was lower when my cycles were more regular last fall... Supposedly my BMI is good and I do have my areas of body fat! :) I am very small framed, so less weight is more for me, if you know what I mean. It's interesting though, I'm very long in the torso and around my ribcage area has always been thin looking. If I gain weight, it never goes there...Wierd. It goes right to my thighs! ::)
    As far as the EPO, I don't know why I discontinued it... I guess after things started working last fall, I figured one less pill i HAVE to take...? I am frustrated at the cost of all the supplements, as I am a college student. I'm taking lots of Tummy Tuneup, Enzyme Digestive, magnesium, and cascara sagrada, as well as Yeast Assassin at times just to maintain a functioning digestive system. So it adds up and I get to thinking - this is pathetic for a 20 year old! I am going to bite the bullet and start back up with the EPO, though - and I feel that I should look into a progesterone cream once I get a feel for what my basal temps are doing. I'll check the other threads for info on progesterone and maybe the vitex/chasteberry too...
    Thanks again - discussing this helps me sort it out and figure out some steps to take!!! I really appreciate it!

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Hi polly--

 Natural progesterone cream does not work for me, but Progon b does. It brings on a period (bleeding) if you take it for 2 weeks or less then stop. It is important for us with PCOS to get periods at least  every 3 months.. Progon b is only 30 dollars and will last almost 4 months taken 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.  It is safer than the cream or prometrium. My doctor said they treat PCOS with birth control pills to regulate periods, but this progon b is much safer and natural way to get your period every month, just take it 2 wks on, then 2 wks off.

Thanks! I would like more info on this!
Now, do you take it as pills? I googled it and found it from some Dr. Helen, only it is a cream. Where do you order it from? And is it completely natural? I will run out of BC on Tuesday and want to have my next plan of action in place. Also, how do you take the cinnamon?

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Hello!  I get the Progon b from http://www.wellnessworks.net and it costs 30 dollars and free shipping.  I used 3 pellets, twice a day and I think next time I will try 2 pelllets twice a day, because my period came at 9 days of using it instead of 12-14 days of using it!  You just place the progesterone pellets directly under your tounge and let them sit there till they dissolve. I dont usually swallow them. Its best if  they go directly into your bloodstream and bypass the digestive system.  Dr Helen does  sell Progon B , by the way!  If you cant find it, Maybe I can find the page for you.

ALso I take NOW cinnamon bark. I do not feel safe taking the cassia kind of cinnamon, just TRUE cinnamon.  NOW's brand Cinnamon is true cinnamon bark. I take 3,600 mg a day. It has helped my psiorsis, helped my cravings!!   On PCOSupport.org I read you can take up to 4500 mg of cinnamon a day for PCOS.  I take 6 caps a day (3600mg) but I did take 7 once --usually 2  with each meal or snack. You can get the cinnamon from http://www.luckyvitamin.com  the NOW brand is cheap there.

Let me know if you have further questions!
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The Nature's Sunshine products: Crampbark and False Unicorn have been responsible for the conception of two of my children. The third was a freak ovulation. I haven't been regular since I started my period at 16, sometimes going 2 years between cycles. Finally at 28, after the third child I am having a semi-regular period (every 45 days or so.)

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I was on birth control for about 10 years before I got off (Bad I know), but now it has been about 14 months since being off and I have no period.  I have gone to a gyno who said that I need to loose weight.  Which granted I do, but I have pretty much weighed this much for a very long time.  Pap is normal, hormone levels are normal. Before Birth control I got my period about every 2 months, even being this heavy.  We have been under very heavy stress for the past two years and was thinking maybe that could be the reason that I have not had my period.  I am not sure where to go from here.  I am concerned, as we have talked about extending our family in a few years.  I have no biological children.  Any help would be much appreciated.  Thank you.  Oh, if I am in the wrong spot, or if there is another spot to post this please direct me. 

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Im sorry your going thru this.. I was on the pill for 6 to 8 months about 4 years ago.  and I still am not done cursing its side affects.  have you thought of checking into Adrenal Fatigue??   especially with all the stress. you can buy good vitamins that heal your adrenals from the www.adrenalfatigue.com  website... good luck...

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Im sorry your going thru this.. I was on the pill for 6 to 8 months about 4 years ago.  and I still am not done cursing its side affects.  have you thought of checking into Adrenal Fatigue??   especially with all the stress. you can buy good vitamins that heal your adrenals from the www.adrenalfatigue.com  website... good luck...

hi helen--just wondering if you or someone you know has had great results with these products.  they seem really expensive when they are asking you to take 3 things together.
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I have PCOS and serious facial hair and I desperately need help, it's been ruining my life long enough.I had my right ovary removed lately,periods are fine and except for DHEA hormones are fine.