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« Reply #120 on: July 25, 2006, 06:26:50 PM »
We decided to have another baby and so have stopped taking the Neem oil...   ;D

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« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2006, 05:40:45 AM »
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« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2006, 03:00:12 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2006, 04:56:15 PM »
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« Reply #124 on: July 28, 2006, 02:16:50 PM »
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« Reply #125 on: July 29, 2006, 02:21:09 PM »
Regarding Layla's question of using neem without the possible abortifacient properties...  Neem has been very safely used, even by pregnant women topically.  In India, it is often mixed with vegetable butter and rubbed into the belly to prevent stretch marks, etc. It can be used vaginally as a lubricant. If you find out you are pregnant, I would stop using the oil. I don't think there is any way it could cause a miscarriage using it this way. If you are already pregnant, I wouldn't use it as a lubricant. Basically as a better safe than sorry. Also the man can take the capsules internally, which would not affect a developing fetus. Like you said Layla, these are my researched opinions only, not coming from the company! Unfortunately, fortunately, any way you look at it ... the FDA is massively in our nutraceutical and herbal product lives, and we really have to watch what we say!

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« Reply #126 on: July 30, 2006, 06:31:50 AM »
I wasn't sure were to jump in on this subject... I have read all of the posts. WOW. So my story is this.
I deal with an 35 to 40 day cycle. Has anyone heard of ovulating twice in one menstrual cycle? We tried NFP with surprises everytime as there are so many days that I might be fertile it is just a few safe days with weeks of unsafe days. Doesn't work for us. Although we might try again when having another little one is -well -(manageable, responsible, wise?) Currently we use spermicide most of the time( or condoms on the days I really think I'm fertile.)
 
I'm concerned about possible birth defects caused by only partially impaired sperm when using spermicides both topical or oral. Does anyone have links or sources where I could research the specifics of spermicidal birth control?
Also someone mentioned that chemical BC can be abortive. I consider the spermicides we use to be chemical, but would have never read or heard that they would be abortive. Surely   by the time conception would happen' topical spermicides would be dispersed.Just want to know if anyone has Research they would share with me.

The whole neem oil thing sounds VERY interesting. I hope you keep posting findings and results!!

And this note yet...If your husband really doesn't want the possibility of another child; using BC(cheerfully) can add tons of love and harmony to your home. Maybe even change his mind :)
 Love and thanks to all!

Adding some clarification and an update ;) I understood The billings ovulation method to be the same as NFP. WE have learned differently and are now using NFP as taught by the couple to couple league which is a combination of cervical, mucus,  bb temps, and personal cycle history charted for understanding when your are fertile/infertile. We have been using a very conservative approach and have gone 6 months without conceiving ;D even though my cycles were not consistent because of cleansing etc. Surprisingly my dh LOVES this way and we have been able to adjust to the required abstinence. He would never go back and is even more adamant than I that NFP is a blessing ;D Wow! God has blessed us tremendously ;D
The other note is that I have seen a dramatic improvement in my cycles. I now have 29-30 day cycles with normal body temps and better mucus patterns. The two biggest helps to acheiving this were systematic body cleansing and removal of all amalgam fillings... and both my dh and I are ready for another little one once the cleansing is finished WOW...
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« Reply #127 on: July 30, 2006, 08:50:43 AM »
I haven't heard of actually ovulating twice in one month but during our NFP class they did discuss something called a "double peak." It is when your body starts the ovulation process and for some reason your body sense it should not release an egg (enviornmental? hormonal? Not sure.) and so it ceases before the egg is released, then later on in the month it starts up again and the egg is released. It can be confusing because it seems like your body is ovulating twice in one month but it's truly only ovulating once.

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« Reply #128 on: July 30, 2006, 04:46:10 PM »
This is totally not the right place for this (however, the posts in this section prompted my desire to write) but I just wanted to mention that some of you ladies have really helped me understand the terms "sobriety" and "discression" for which I am so grateful, being a very young wife and mom to two, and very foolish sometimes.  It's great to be able to learn by example.  So thanks!  My husband is probably grateful too ;D, but only time will tell.

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« Reply #129 on: July 31, 2006, 03:59:07 AM »
I wasn't sure were to jump in on this subject... I have read all of the posts. WOW. So my story is this.
I deal with an 35 to 40 day cycle. Has anyone heard of ovulating twice in one menstrual cycle? We tried NFP with surprises everytime as there are so many days that I might be fertile it is just a few safe days with weeks of unsafe days. Doesn't work for us. Although we might try again when having another little one is -well -(manageable, responsible, wise?) Currently we use spermicide most of the time( or condoms on the days I really think I'm fertile.)
 
I'm concerned about possible birth defects caused by only partially impaired sperm when using spermicides both topical or oral. Does anyone have links or sources where I could research the specifics of spermicidal birth control?
Also someone mentioned that chemical BC can be abortive. I consider the spermicides we use to be chemical, but would have never read or heard that they would be abortive. Surely   by the time conception would happen' topical spermicides would be dispersed.Just want to know if anyone has Research they would share with me.

The whole neem oil thing sounds VERY interesting. I hope you keep posting findings and results!!

And this note yet...If your husband really doesn't want the possibility of another child; using BC(cheerfully) can add tons of love and harmony to your home. Maybe even change his mind :)
 Love and thanks to all!

Hi!  Here are some links that may help:

 http://www.all.org/search_results.php?searchtopic=spermicide

http://ccli.org/nfp/contraception/methods.php

I haven't looked too much at them, but I think the sources are trustworthy.


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« Reply #130 on: July 31, 2006, 04:37:27 AM »
Has anyone here read the book, "Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing" by Sheila Kippley?  I was just curious if anyone has tried using breasfeeding AP-style to purposely supress ovulation. 

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« Reply #131 on: July 31, 2006, 05:00:05 AM »
That is the method I use. With my first child I didn't get my period back for 10 months, with my second it was 8 months. After that I just used various methods, NFP and barrier. Most of my friends have used this method with great success, some for 18 months or more. It depends on your body type, your hormones, when you introduce solids, etc. I do know one girl who is the AP queen but still gets her periods back at 6 weeks, I beleive it is a hormonal issue with her.

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« Reply #132 on: July 31, 2006, 07:38:47 AM »
I've not read ALL of the post on this subject, just a lot, so I don't know if this has already been asked. After #2 I was given depo-prevera in the hospital before I was discharged. I then- with full knowledge and OK from my health care provider- continued taking it for 4 yrs! Only after the birth of #3 did my hubby and I start to become interested in natural health. So we researched depo and our jaws dropped! (It would explain my dentist's shock at my teeth rotting from the inside out.) So now we have been using NFP and not pregnant yet- it's been 11 months.

My question(s)  is this: is there any way to reverse the damage done to my body (I am taking alfalfa daily for my teeth), and  what other damage could there be?
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« Reply #133 on: July 31, 2006, 07:51:10 AM »
Has anyone here read the book, "Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing" by Sheila Kippley?  I was just curious if anyone has tried using breasfeeding AP-style to purposely supress ovulation. 

i am not sure exactly what she teaches, but i think we accidentally did this because my 5th baby didn't sleep through the night until recently, and it's still sporatic.  he slept with us for a long time and still does sometimes.  he is 13 mo.  i have had two really light periods just in the last month.  i think this could have worked with us but we have continued to use condoms out of concern for my health should i get pregnant too soon.  kinda sad about having to do that  :(  but it couldn't be helped.  i think the key is the night feedings/co-sleeping, because i have always gotten my periods back MUCH sooner than this.  what a blessing to be rid of it this long!   ;D 
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« Reply #134 on: July 31, 2006, 08:32:30 AM »
I was just reminded that I read on mercola about lemon juice working like a spermicide would, Just thought I would throw that that out there for those of you that use spermicide but want a natural altertnativie for it.  I have never used it but thought it sounded interesting.

Okay, lemon juice ???  That sounds more than interesting.   ::)
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« Reply #135 on: July 31, 2006, 08:34:01 AM »
So we researched depo and our jaws dropped! (It would explain my dentist's shock at my teeth rotting from the inside out.) So now we have been using NFP and not pregnant yet- it's been 11 months.

My question(s)  is this: is there any way to reverse the damage done to my body (I am taking alfalfa daily for my teeth), and  what other damage could there be?
Thanks
~Heidi

Do you have any links on this.  I'm interested.  I know someone who used this and also has very rotten teeth.
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« Reply #136 on: July 31, 2006, 09:08:42 AM »
So we researched depo and our jaws dropped! (It would explain my dentist's shock at my teeth rotting from the inside out.) So now we have been using NFP and not pregnant yet- it's been 11 months.

My question(s)  is this: is there any way to reverse the damage done to my body (I am taking alfalfa daily for my teeth), and  what other damage could there be?
Thanks
~Heidi

Do you have any links on this.  I'm interested.  I know someone who used this and also has very rotten teeth.


OK, here goes:
(I'm not too good at links, so keep your fingers crossed. :-[

www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/8525697700573E1885256F5100513452


The following is from www.thedoctorslounge.net and taken from their forum.

"Depo Provera is a hormone injection that lasts for 3 months to prevent pregnancy. The injection contains synthetic progesterone and no estrogen. It is usually given in the arm or rear, delivering a high level of progesterone into the body. Depo Provera stops the ovaries from releasing eggs. Depo Prover causes the cervical mucu to thicken and changes the uterine lining, making it harder for sperm to enter or survive in the uterus. These changes prevent fertilization. Depo Provera is a very private form of birth control because it cannot be seen on the body and requires no home supplies. It does, however, require a clinic appointment every 3 months. Depo Provera is 99. 7% effective as birth control.

Studies released in 2004 show that Depo Provera is associated with the lost of bone density resulting in an increased risk of osteoporosis. The bone loss appears not to be reversed when the woman goes off Depo Provera. Depo is not recommended for long term use and especially not recommended when the young woman is still growing her bones. Women on Depo are advised to exercise and take in plenty of calcium. If you have taken Depo Provera for more than two years, it might be a good idea to get a bone density test.

Some women have allergic reactions to Depo Provera.

If a woman becomes pregnant while using Depo Provera, and continues her pregnancy, there may be an increased risk of premature birth.

The effects of Depo Provera on breast cancer are still unknown.

70 % of women using Depo Provera gain weight. Almost half of the women using Depo Provera gain more than 5 pounds after one year of use. Many women gain more than 10 pounds.

Irregular, heavy, or no bleeding are common side effects of Depo Provera. After a year of use, many women stop having periods. Lack of a period becomes increasingly common with longer use.

Other side effects of Depo Provera can include headaches, nervousness, mood changes, bloating, hot flashes, decreased interest in sex, breast tenderness, acne, hair loss, and back ache.

After the last shot of Depo Provera, it can take over 6 months for the drug to leave the body. Side effects may linger until the drug is completely gone.
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Hope this isn't too much info at once.  :)
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« Reply #137 on: July 31, 2006, 09:35:08 AM »
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« Reply #138 on: July 31, 2006, 10:14:02 AM »
Has anyone here read the book, "Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing" by Sheila Kippley?  I was just curious if anyone has tried using breasfeeding AP-style to purposely supress ovulation. 

My mom tried.  She had six babies in 7 1/2 years, no twins.  She was already pregnant before the last baby every had any solids.  I have two, and breastfed them both, I started after 6 weeks, and my girls are 11 1/2 months apart.  I get tired of people telling how breastfeeding will keep me from getting pregnant....  It just doesn't work for my family....

Now my MIL, on the other hand, has a different story.  All her kids are nicely spaced, 2 - 3 1/2  years apart.  She never started back before a year often much longer.  She breastfeed too. 

Sooo.... It wouldn't hurt to try, but don't depend on it.... I know!

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« Reply #139 on: July 31, 2006, 04:20:38 PM »
"Did you notice the words - "satisfy, console, delight, comfort?"...(Is 66:10-13) ...We see here that nursing is not an alternative way to feed a baby, e.g. bottle feeding versus breastfeeding. No, it is total mothering to meet the every need of the child. So the breast is used not just to satisfy hunger but also to satisfy, delight, console and comfort."

just keep in mind it's not always an option.  each time i nursed my baby it caused him to scream even louder in digestive discomfort and sometimes he would refuse to nurse.  it's not always a bed of roses.  i would have given anything, including formula to make him a happy baby and bring peace to my home.  i tried several kinds of formula which also made him scream.  then weeks later tried again & he just wouldn't take a bottle of anything, even breastmilk.  it just broke my heart for him to be in so much pain, and be unable to do anything about it.  we tried many doctors, natural remedies of all sorts, carrying him around at all times, nothing helped.  we just did our best each day and made it through until the breastmilk no longer bothered him so much.  he's 13 months and sweet as a peach most of the time.  it was 9 months of total torture for all of us, our last two babies.  but i definitely wouldn't give either of them up!  we just hope to find an answer to all this if we are to have another one.   :-\ 
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« Reply #140 on: August 01, 2006, 11:12:43 AM »
All of you who use NFP- Did you just use the book or did you also attend a class? I studied the book and tried NFP with two "surprises". Someone mentioned that in class they were taught about "double peaks" which I think must be normal for me. So would you recommend attending a class?

I agree with the post that breastfeeding (even AP and similar styles) does not work for everyone! :)

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« Reply #141 on: August 10, 2006, 07:13:45 AM »
Hi there!  I've been doing some more research on Neem as a male birth control and found the following websites.  (I haven't looked over this post in a few days, so maybe some of this information is already here.  Sorry if I've duplicated.)

http://www.malecontraceptives.org/methods/others.php#refs

This website has lots of info on different types of birth control for men.  Many of them are drugs used for other things but a side effect was infertility.  As far as natural stuff goes, Neem was mentioned and so was papaya (interesting).  I also checked out the link to "external heat" - the man heats himself for a period of time every day and it says they will experience infertility for up to 6mos.  I plan to check out the studies done on the Neem oil and papaya - but I plan to do lots of things that I never get around to, so we'll see!   ;)

http://www.bytheplanet.com/WhatAilsYou/BirthControl/birthcontrolmen.htm

It looks like this site has some of the same info.  I looked up the "vietmeyer" study reference and found that he has a book out called "Neem: A Tree For Solving Problems".  I cannot get it at my local library.  Anyone else heard of or have this book?  If someone has access to it, maybe they can see if there is a section on male birth control and enlighten us.

I used to work with a large group of doctors in my area before the Lord allowed me to stay home with my kids.  It's been a while, but I contacted someone I used to work with to see if any of those docs were from India - maybe s/he would have more insight as to the use of Neem and any side effects.  One of my remaining questions is whether or not future children have a higher risk of defects after the neem oil use is discontinued.

One question for those of you with husbands already using neem oil - I've checked the prices at several websites and there is a huge difference sometimes.  The OrganixSouth site sells it for $9.50 for one ounce and another site www.neemresource.com sells it for $10 for 8 ounces!!  I'm nervous to go for the cheaper because you usually get what you pay for.  Anything I can look for that would tip me off that the cheaper kind is not 100% pure?

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« Reply #142 on: August 10, 2006, 07:44:21 AM »
Gabe says to tell you that neem can be extracted different ways, and it's best not to use the stuff that has been extracted with a solvent, because the solvent may still be present in the oil, and is not good for you internally. It's best to look for, and buy, expeller pressed, or cold pressed neem oil. We're not sure ours (Organeem) is solvent free, but will be buying expeller pressed from now on.

The only place we know that sells this quality is organixsouth.com, but you may be able to find it elsewhere. I suppose calling the company and asking would be the best thing to do.

Rebekah

Okay - I looked over the last few posts and found that Rebekah already answered the question I had about how to tell whether the neem oil was pure or not.  I emailed the company on the www.neemresource.com website asking how their oil is extracted.  Here is my email and their response:

Good Day!  I have been comparing prices for pure neem oil and found that your company offers relatively low prices.  I was curious to know how the neem oil you sell is extracted from the seed.  Is it extracted with solvents, expeller pressed or cold pressed?
 
Thank you so much for your help!
Jennifer


Good Day Jennifer
The oil is cold pressed from neem seed kernels. It is premium neem oil.
I offer it at relatively low prices as I buy in volume & pass on the savings.
I am attaching a flow chart of the extraction process from the manufacturer.
Best regards,
Usha Rao
The Ahimsa Alternative, Inc.
877-873-6336


The flow chart he mentions is a Word document that follows the process.  It starts at collection (wild collected), drying, removal of impurities, decortication, removal of husk by willowing, crushing kernel of seed by cold process, HPLC testing for aflatoxin, filter process micro filtration which results in the end product that he calls "Plasma Neem Oil".  (If anyone would like the flow chart, let me know and I can email it.)

I was impressed that he got back to me very quickly and that he shared the flow chart.  My hubby is ready to do this and we might order from this site.

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« Reply #143 on: August 11, 2006, 06:04:02 AM »
I haven't heard of actually ovulating twice in one month but during our NFP class they did discuss something called a "double peak." It is when your body starts the ovulation process and for some reason your body sense it should not release an egg (enviornmental? hormonal? Not sure.) and so it ceases before the egg is released, then later on in the month it starts up again and the egg is released. It can be confusing because it seems like your body is ovulating twice in one month but it's truly only ovulating once.

I was so glad to run across this information.  We were planning to start using the neem, but were too late apparently.   ;)  We were doing the timing method with condoms, which we've used before, unsuccessfully I might add.  I could never figure out why I kept getting pregnant or why it seemed like I was fertile the whole time I wasn't on my period.  We just thought hubby had strong swimmers.  ;D  At any rate, every time we haven't used a barrier method, we have gotten pregnant.  Would a "double peak" explain this?
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« Reply #144 on: August 11, 2006, 06:18:34 AM »
I read on here that it takes about 6 weeks for the Neem to start working if the male is taking it, and then 6 weeks once you get off of it for you to be back to normal again, and ready to try having a baby. That makes me really nervous. What if your fertility doesn't return like it should?  Does that make anyone else nervous. That is a big reason we are not trying it out. I'd love some thoughts on this!
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« Reply #145 on: August 11, 2006, 06:43:33 AM »


  each time i nursed my baby it caused him to scream even louder in digestive discomfort and sometimes he would refuse to nurse.  it's not always a bed of roses.  i would have given anything, including formula to make him a happy baby and bring peace to my home.  i tried several kinds of  we just hope to find an answer to all this if we are to have another one.   :-\ 
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My last baby was like that until I quit all dairy.I don't know if this would help you or not. I drink a lot of milk and eat cheese, yogurt.... Apparently my son could not digest the milk that i produced while eating dairy. He screamed all the time and had infrequent bowels. I quit dairy within a day he was like a different kid.

I've had 5 kids and never get my cycles back until I wean them usualy after a year sometime. I get pregnant as soon as I wean so I've got to watch out! I thought I might just keep on breastfeeding my son until he's 2 maybe. Then I 'll just keep pumping the rest of my life. LOL Any body need breastmilk? ;D
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« Reply #146 on: August 11, 2006, 01:26:43 PM »


  each time i nursed my baby it caused him to scream even louder in digestive discomfort and sometimes he would refuse to nurse.  it's not always a bed of roses.  i would have given anything, including formula to make him a happy baby and bring peace to my home.  i tried several kinds of  we just hope to find an answer to all this if we are to have another one.   :-\ 
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My last baby was like that until I quit all dairy.I don't know if this would help you or not. I drink a lot of milk and eat cheese, yogurt.... Apparently my son could not digest the milk that i produced while eating dairy. He screamed all the time and had infrequent bowels. I quit dairy within a day he was like a different kid.

I've had 5 kids and never get my cycles back until I wean them usualy after a year sometime. I get pregnant as soon as I wean so I've got to watch out! I thought I might just keep on breastfeeding my son until he's 2 maybe. Then I 'll just keep pumping the rest of my life. LOL Any body need breastmilk? ;D

we did this too.  staying away from dairy helped some, but he was fussy from almost everything.  luckily though, we have enjoyed the last 5 months of nursing and i am going to "try" to wean him now at almost 14 months.  i've had enough!!   :o  ::)  ;D
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« Reply #147 on: August 15, 2006, 05:50:02 PM »
Hi!  I also would love to know if anyone has had success with LadyComp.  I don't entirely trust myself for tracking, especially in this breastfeeding phase of life - we're wanting to avoid a pregnancy for a year or two to give my body a chance to recover from this one, and the Ladycomp is appealing since it does all the calculating for you...

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« Reply #148 on: August 16, 2006, 02:41:33 AM »
each time i nursed my baby it caused him to scream even louder in digestive discomfort and sometimes he would refuse to nurse.  it's not always a bed of roses.  i would have given anything, including formula to make him a happy baby and bring peace to my home.  i tried several kinds of  we just hope to find an answer to all this if we are to have another one.      

When #3 was born he had an underdeveloped GI system. He was stiff and his tummy was always hard. We had many months of tears/sleepless nights and finally found ourselves on our knees one night. (we were in between houses at the time and living w/my parents who do not believe babies should cry- very stressful) Anyway. My husband got up from that prayer- walked to the fridge, and brought out the ole' Aloe Vera juice. He had used it some years back to cure an ulcer. So baby was given a small dropper of aloe Vera 3x a day. In a week he was crying far less after each feeding, and he was beginning to feel 'looser' in the stomach. We both firmly believe it was thanks to the Aloe Vera juice. I don't know if this will help you, but it worked for us.
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« Reply #149 on: August 16, 2006, 05:01:25 AM »
Hi!  I also would love to know if anyone has had success with LadyComp.  I don't entirely trust myself for tracking, especially in this breastfeeding phase of life - we're wanting to avoid a pregnancy for a year or two to give my body a chance to recover from this one, and the Ladycomp is appealing since it does all the calculating for you...

What is LadyComp?