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Re: All About Birth Control
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2006, 06:34:32 PM »
We decided to have another baby and so have stopped taking the Neem oil...   ;D

CONGRATULATIONS.  and besides you needed more to do.  You guys sit around too much.  ;)
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Re: All About Birth Control
« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2006, 06:34:54 PM »
IUDs are always abortive.  Every form of chemical contraception can cause an abortion. 

I have had four c- sections, health problems, and money problems.  But I stand firm that NFP is the only way to go.  All other forms are bad for your marriage.  Including vasectomies and tubals.   

You know, when sex works properly, it makes a baby.  God intended it to.  And even though things are really hard now, it does not compare to the joy we will have in heaven if we succeed in raising our children for God's Kingdom.  It's so awesome that he lets us participate in His creation.

Thanks for the imput, but please include research, statistics, etc.. to back up absolute statements. There are some fairly intelligent and researched people here.  ;)

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Re: All About Birth Control
« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2006, 06:38:18 PM »
We decided to have another baby and so have stopped taking the Neem oil...   ;D

CONGRATULATIONS.  and besides you needed more to do.  You guys sit around too much.  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2006, 01:32:16 AM »
I believe that the only non-abortifacient use of Neem is for the male to take it internally. Having said that, we have not yet "put Neem to the test" as we also very successfully use the timing method.

Basically I have been using Neem daily to determine any long term effects. When we decide to have our fourth, we'll try for a few months while I am still on Neem... we'll tell you when it happens ;)

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« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2006, 02:22:01 AM »
IUDs are always abortive. 

I'm so thankful we serve a sovereign God. When my mom had an IUD, it didn't make an abortion, it made twins! Her doctor insisted she expelled it (yeah, like she expelled it and didn't know!) 9 months later she delivers fraternal twin boys AND an IUD! I've actually heard than an IUD can increase the chances of fraternal twins because it irritates the ovaries. I just think it's so awesome, because my mom was uninformed about the abortive nature of IUDs. I really beleive that in his faithful servants God takes care of them even in their ignorance. At least in my personal experience.

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« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2006, 06:36:32 AM »
Question about the capsules that you use. What size?  Are the #3 large enough or do you need a larger one.  thanks for all the info and help.
SHawna

Gabe used 00, or 0 size. So I'm sure 000 would be big enough.

We decided to have another baby and so have stopped taking the Neem oil...   ;D

That's great!!!

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« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2006, 06:51:20 AM »
IUDs are always abortive.  Every form of chemical contraception can cause an abortion. 

I have had four c- sections, health problems, and money problems.  But I stand firm that NFP is the only way to go.  All other forms are bad for your marriage.  Including vasectomies and tubals.   

You know, when sex works properly, it makes a baby.  God intended it to.  And even though things are really hard now, it does not compare to the joy we will have in heaven if we succeed in raising our children for God's Kingdom.  It's so awesome that he lets us participate in His creation.

I totally agree.  The birth control pill works one of three ways.  The first way is it stops ovulation.  It doesn't always do that.  We know this, because some people conceive while on it.  The second thing it does is it alters the cervical mucous, so sperm have a hard time making their way up.  The third thing is it alters the lining in the uterus, so if a baby is conceived it is not able to implant in the uterus thus resulting in an abortion. 

The IUD doesn't interfere with sperm migration or with conception.  What it does is it prevents the conceived child from implanting in the uterus. 

Condoms and spermicides do not cause abortions, but there are other problems.  On some condoms there is talc.  These particles can enter the woman's body and irritate her tissues, potentially causing infertility or cancer.  I also heard that if the condom breaks during intercourse the sperm can get damaged and cause birth defects. 
Spermicides have side effects including vaginal dryness, painful urination, toxic shock syndrome, and possible birth defects in future children.

*Sources:  "A Consumer's Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs" by pharmacist/researcher John Wilks.;  "Condom Fact Sheet"  American Life League, revised 1996

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« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2006, 07:05:06 AM »
I really appreciate everyone's opinions.  Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury of having the option about using/not using bc.

I am on the pill.  I have researched all manner of facts about it from both sides of the argument, and my husband made the final decision on the matter.  I, if I am going to submit to him, must abide by this decision.

I have been afraid to mention it on the board, because I was not sure whether or not I would be judged for the decision.  But, truly, I believe that it is most important that I submit to my husband, and ask God to speak to him if he has made the wrong decision.  I hope that this may give some encouragment to anyone else who has been or is in the same situation.
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« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2006, 07:26:30 AM »
I am on the pill.  I have researched all manner of facts about it from both sides of the argument, and my husband made the final decision on the matter.  I, if I am going to submit to him, must abide by this decision.

Good for you.  Stick by your man.  Might I suggest however; that you take a probiotic supplement on a regular basis?  I took the pill for many many years and it can contribute to liver toxicity, candidiasis and leaky gut which in turn can lead to many other problems, something that may give you more problems in the future.  If you try to keep the probiotics going and make sure you keep your sugars to a minimum, eat a good balance of fats (omega 3s) to help ward off any other possible health problems, I'm sure the Lord will take care of the rest ;)More on Leaky Gut here.
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Re: All About Birth Control
« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2006, 07:34:06 AM »
I believe that the only non-abortifacient use of Neem is for the male to take it internally. Having said that, we have not yet "put Neem to the test" as we also very successfully use the timing method.

Basically I have been using Neem daily to determine any long term effects. When we decide to have our fourth, we'll try for a few months while I am still on Neem... we'll tell you when it happens ;)

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First of all, congratulations!  Second, did you use the Neem exclusively as BC?  Was curious if it worked all by itself.   :) 

We did try to keep track of timing, when I was fertile, etc... I'm pretty regular, but still have about 3 days fluxuation in my cycle, so I wasn't always totally sure. I'm pretty sure we managed to obstain on my peak fertility days though. The timing method worked for us after my first pregnancy, but not after the second one - I just couldn't tell when I was ovulating.

My third is now almost 2 years old, and I began ovulating when she was 7 months old. So either the Neem really works, or we just managed to ALWAYS get the timing right.

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« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2006, 08:18:38 AM »
Congrats!!!  Thank you for all the info.  My husband & I have been discussing what to do about birth control for awhile now.  He simply refuses to get snipped. ;D  I don't want to either.  I would eventually like to have another but don't like what we are doing now.(condoms)  We had just talked about it and I got my NGJ in the mail that day.  I read your article and then found this website because of it.  WOW doesn't God work wonders.  My husband said it sounds great so we are going to try it!! ;D  Thank you so much!
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« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2006, 10:04:17 AM »

Good for you.  Stick by your man.  Might I suggest however; that you take a probiotic supplement on a regular basis?  I took the pill for many many years and it can contribute to liver toxicity, candidiasis and leaky gut which in turn can lead to many other problems, something that may give you more problems in the future.  If you try to keep the probiotics going and make sure you keep your sugars to a minimum, eat a good balance of fats (omega 3s) to help ward off any other possible health problems, I'm sure the Lord will take care of the rest ;)More on Leaky Gut here.
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Thanks HB  ;D  I have actually started doing what you had suggested above.  I am taking a probiotic regularly, and have ordered yeast assassin to try and undo what may have already occurred.  I am going to have to really try hard about the sugar thing...I really LOVE sugar  ;)
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« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2006, 10:10:26 AM »
Yes, definitly feel no guilt if you are doing what your husband desires. I really beleive that God will protect you during this time if you are faithful to him!

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« Reply #103 on: July 16, 2006, 12:16:15 PM »
]Thanks for the imput, but please include research, statistics, etc.. to back up absolute statements. There are some fairly intelligent and researched people here.   

Rebekah

I’m sorry, Rebekah.  I will back up my statements.  I attended a women’s conference in 2005 in Chicago and heard a talk by Dr. Martha Garza, MD.  She is an OB/Gyn, fertility specialist, and reproductive endochrinologist.  She lives and works in San Antonio, Tx.  She had a conversion about 12 years ago after she had several patients tell her that they wanted to stop using the pill, because they had learned that it sometimes caused early abortions.  She brushed these patients off at first, but then began to research it and was blown away by what she discovered.  She couldn’t believe she didn’t learn about this in medical school.  She decided to call some of the doctors that she attended medical school with to see if they had this knowledge.  Maybe she was the only one who didn’t know.  It turns out that it wasn’t in any of their medical books and none of them had ever heard it mentioned in a lecture.  She was shaken by what she learned and saddened by what she had been doing to her patients.  She has since stopped performing sterilizations and will not prescribe any contraceptives.  She councils her patients on NFP and she travels the country giving talks about how our culture has been deceived. 

IUDs are always abortive. 
IUD’s have two main functions: to obstruct transportation of sperm and to irritate the lining of the uterus so that implantation of a fertilized egg will not occur.  This makes it an abortafacient.  (Of course, there is a failure rate with all contraception, so it is possible to conceive.  I shouldn’t have used the word always.)

Every form of chemical contraception can cause an abortion.
This information is available to read at nfpoutreach.org and omsoul.com.  Breakthrough ovulation does occur a certain percentage of the time with the pill, Norplant, and Depo Provera.  The fertilized egg is then unable to implant itself because the lining of the uterus has been altered.  These are early abortions and most women never know that they were ever pregnant.
 It is estimated that a woman will experience one abortion a year for every year that she has been taking the pill. ( Kahlenborn C. "How do the pill and other contraceptives work?" Breast Cancer, Its Link to Abortion and the Birth Control Pill. Dayton, OH: One More Soul; 2000; 315-335.)

All other forms are bad for your marriage.  Including vasectomies and tubals.   
This information comes from a variety of places.  Research shows that couples who practice NFP have a less than 5% divorce rate.  Some say it’s less than 2%.  The Couple to Couple League has data to support this.  ccli.org
Also, Dr. Janet Smith, Professor of Moral Theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, gave a talk called Contraception, Why Not.  It is available on audio cassette and CD at omsoul.com   Dr. Smith discusses the reasons contraception is bad for marriage. 

Kimberly Hahn wrote a wonderful book titled, Life-Giving Love.  She says that contraception degrades human sexuality because it reduces a couple to two individuals seeking pleasure.  The woman is rejecting the man’s seed and the man is rejecting the woman’s life giving womb.  Male and female they were created to be.

I hope this was helpful.

Heather


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Re: All About Birth Control
« Reply #104 on: July 16, 2006, 12:54:06 PM »
Thank you Heather, that is exactly what I was asking for! And much more persuasive!

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« Reply #105 on: July 20, 2006, 04:27:26 AM »
While I appreciate the sentiments and intentions of the ladies who have posted recently,not everyone who chooses to practice birth control does so out of selfishness. 

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« Reply #106 on: July 20, 2006, 04:31:59 AM »
I agree that fertility is God's design. I would be cautious about doing something (whether by drugs, surgery or using herbs) with the aim of "breaking" what God had designed to work a certain way.

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« Reply #107 on: July 20, 2006, 04:53:55 AM »
I think one concern would be anyone trying to influence another family's decision. Suppose a wife reads this and then decides to stop using bc against her husband's wishes? It's a good idea to present the information but not a good idea to try to sway someone's opinion drastically.

Also, everyone's situation is different. I have friends who have health problems that make it important for them to space their children. Using something gives them peace of mind.

Another important thing to remember is that GOD is sovereign whether or not you use bc. My mother got pregnant 3 times using some form of "protection." When she felt she should not have more children it greived her, but she felt God telling her to concentrate on the four children he had already blessed her with. I'm sure that part of God telling her this was because of how my father felt. He is a fearful person. Rather than my mom usurping him God released her from the desire to have more children. The vasectomy released my father from fear. It kept the family harmony. I have no doubt that if God wanted them to have more children the vasectomy would have failed, as did the IUD, etc.

For those families who have made this choice...good for you! You are trusting God. But I wouldn't be quick to judge others who are taking a different road. There are many factors. It would probably be ideal to just trust the Lord with the size of our families. But not everyone is at the same level of faith, and you can't force it on other people. It takes a great deal of spiritual maturity to decide God is in control, that you don't have to worry about it because God will take care of it. It takes even more maturity to rest in that knowledge and not judge others because perhaps they are not as sure as you.

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« Reply #108 on: July 20, 2006, 05:27:32 AM »
Thank you KatieMac....you pretty much put my heart to words.
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« Reply #109 on: July 20, 2006, 05:32:23 AM »
Katiemac is right - we do need to be careful how we possibly influence another lady to go contrary to her own husband.

While I am generally on the side of "trust God" and have been on all sides of the issue at some point, I firmly beleive that something God showed me when I was wanting a baby so badly, was "why wasn't I content with my husband?".  He used the passage in Samuel where Elkanah asked Hannah "am not I better to thee than ten sons?"  I realized then that my primary purpose was to be a wife and to be content with my husband - whether or not we had no, one or lots of children.  That was so freeing and our marriage improved TONS when my actions followed that heart.  Since then He has given us three more for which I am thankful - but I truely believe that God had to bring me to that point first - and I am glad He did.

I personally think we all need to learn to be content with where God has us - no kids if that is His will, few or lots.  :-)

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« Reply #110 on: July 20, 2006, 06:06:16 AM »
If we'd let our men take over this thread, i wonder what they would say..............just a thot. :)

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« Reply #111 on: July 20, 2006, 02:38:06 PM »
My husband and I discussed this the other night, and I thought I would toss it out to see what others had to say.  Is is right to obey your husband if he wants you to take a contraception that has an abortifacient side?  I think it is the same as saying: if your husband asked you to rob a store or go on a shooting with him, should you go?  What does everyone think? ???

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« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2006, 02:55:30 PM »
My husband and I discussed this the other night, and I thought I would toss it out to see what others had to say.  Is is right to obey your husband if he wants you to take a contraception that has an abortifacient side?  I think it is the same as saying: if your husband asked you to rob a store or go on a shooting with him, should you go?  What does everyone think? ???

I agree with you. If I am basically being asked to sin, I have a responsibility before God to respectfully say that I can't participate. I feel that when we must choose between obeying God and man (even if that man is our husband), we must obey God (Acts 5:29).

If a contraception is also abortifacient, I would feel that I would have to decline to use it just as I would decline to get an abortion if my husband asked that. 

My husband and I have talked about this. If I have a conviction against something, regardless of whether or not my conviction is valid (though in the situation of abortion, we have clear commands in Scripture to not do it), my husband has a Scriptural responsibility to not offend my conviction. I Corinthians 8 teaches us that. So, if my conviction is against using a certain form of birth control, my husband, as a man of God is to honor that and not ask me to use it.

(Btw, my husband and I agree on the birth control issue, so, this is not a problem in our home...but if it were, he wouldn't ask me to do something with which my conscience isn't comfortable).
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« Reply #113 on: July 20, 2006, 04:00:55 PM »
If you want to talk about the health ramifications of contraceptives, whether they are abortifacient or not, you are at the right place. WellTellMe.com is a forum for evidence, research, and experience regarding HEALTH primarily.

Personal convictions, religious preferences, preaching, religious teaching or anything that is aimed at the righteousness, or lack thereof, of another person, is better discussed in private emails, or in a Bible-based manner on 7xsunday.net.

Thank you for respecting the nature of this forum.

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« Reply #114 on: July 20, 2006, 05:19:35 PM »
If you want to talk about the health ramifications of contraceptives, whether they are abortifacient or not, you are at the right place. WellTellMe.com is a forum for evidence, research, and experience regarding HEALTH primarily.

Personal convictions, religious preferences, preaching, religious teaching or anything that is aimed at the righteousness, or lack thereof, of another person, is better discussed in private emails, or in a Bible-based manner on 7xsunday.net.

Thank you for respecting the nature of this forum.

Rebekah



Sorry if I was misunderstood.  I wasn't aiming my question at anyone except to see what people's thoughts were on the subject.  It seemed to fit in with the forum.  Again, sorry if I was misunderstood.

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« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2006, 06:23:29 PM »
It was a reasonable question, just in the wrong forum, and with some implications.   ;)
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« Reply #116 on: July 21, 2006, 04:16:10 PM »
The Neem oil from banyan says "for external use only."  I am just wondering if this is the oil that can be used in the capsules or do I need a different kind?  I just want to make sure Hubby doesn't take anything that will hurt him.

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« Reply #117 on: July 21, 2006, 05:32:47 PM »
Yes, ours says that too, and: "for personal, pet, and garden care..."  :-X

Gabe says to tell you that neem can be extracted different ways, and it's best not to use the stuff that has been extracted with a solvent, because the solvent may still be present in the oil, and is not good for you internally. It's best to look for, and buy, expeller pressed, or cold pressed neem oil. We're not sure ours (Organeem) is solvent free, but will be buying expeller pressed from now on.

The only place we know that sells this quality is organixsouth.com, but you may be able to find it elsewhere. I suppose calling the company and asking would be the best thing to do.

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« Reply #118 on: July 22, 2006, 02:50:59 AM »
THanks a bunch!!! ;D  I will find out.

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« Reply #119 on: July 25, 2006, 05:50:53 PM »
I can't say what is best for anyone else (except listen to hubby) but I had a tubal done 4 months ago after 3 pregnancy's in 3 years all resulting in preeclampsia and 3 c- sections @ 28 wks, 37 wks, & 32 wks. We felt it could be a life issue for me to keep getting pregnant. I wanted the tubal after #2, but hubby said no. He finally agreed after #3.
 Does anyone have any info on preeclampsia help or hinders? I have a friend who just delivered @ 29 wks and is petrified to try again. I don't have much info as I'm not good at research.