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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #120 on: January 14, 2008, 06:19:49 PM »
I've never had the skin rashes and Leaky Gut problems that I've read about others' experiencing but a whole host of other things have plagued me for 12 years now...starting with my first pregnancy. Looking back, I had many doses of antibiotics from 3 years old and on due to ear infections, then in my late teens I started BC pills and stayed on them for 7 years. Now, it is almost monthly yeast and UTI's.

Why do you think I wouldn't experience die-off? I was actually looking forward to it so I could know that I was being healed from all this. Sounds weird I know but it's the truth. Do you see any holes in my plan? Another thing: I've been vegetarian for 12 years, vegan for 8. I recently started eating yogurt and eggs hoping to address the yeast and even more than that, the monthly migraines. I've been off of refined flours and sugars for over a decade but still have a major sweet tooth.   
Maybe with your yeast problems and your lack of eating meats, you lack the needed enzymes to digest meat & dairy products.  Not sure, but I'm guessing you're just not equipped to eat these yet after such a long absence of these foods in your diet.  Maybe double up on the probiotics while eating these foods??  You may be experiencing die-off without realizing it.  It may also be what's causing your stomach upset when eating the yogurt.  Don't be disappointed that you didn't experience it (it can be very unpleasant).  You may have also slept through it.  Usually it doesn't last long if you're lucky.  Just keep going and be thankful.  ;D
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #121 on: January 14, 2008, 06:30:22 PM »

  You may be experiencing die-off without realizing it.  It may also be what's causing your stomach upset when eating the yogurt.  Don't be disappointed that you didn't experience it (it can be very unpleasant).  You may have also slept through it.  Usually it doesn't last long if you're lucky.  Just keep going and be thankful.  ;D

No stomach upset here...I've actually had cheese and moose meat a few times when a guest in a neighbors home and had no problems at all. Go figure. Well, I hope you're right about sleeping through it. That would be great! It was the confirmation I was after I guess..knowing that something was working after all these years. :) Thank you for responding!
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #122 on: January 14, 2008, 06:41:11 PM »
No stomach upset here...
Sorry about that.  I read a lot of posts this evening.  I think they are beginning to blur together.  ;D
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2008, 07:06:11 PM »
I am on day 3 of my candida cleanse (still waiting for YA and TT to arrive but started anyway) and I am feeling not as hungry and not craving bad food as much. Is this normal or am I eating too many carbs/sugar still? A typical day is eggs
salad or meat of some sort
sunflower seeds (no more than 1/4 cup= 5 carbs)
1/2 shot glass of apple juice (necessary to take a NASTY tincture)
chicken or beef, broccoli
1T PB (just peanuts and salt) 1T coco chips mixed together once a day-sometimes broken in half and eaten twice a day. (thanks HB BTW  ;D). Should I cut out the last treat? Its about 8 carbs total. (also butter on my food and supplements) Anything else I should change? I need more veggies, but have to go shopping first.

Edit: I shoud add I am having some rashy/itchy/dry skin things going on. Plus I'm really tired and having tummy troubles, so I know that SOMETHING must be happening. But I really don't want to be feeding these little buggers.
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2008, 06:43:30 AM »
I am on day 3 of my candida cleanse (still waiting for YA and TT to arrive but started anyway) and I am feeling not as hungry and not craving bad food as much. Is this normal or am I eating too many carbs/sugar still? A typical day is eggs
salad or meat of some sort
sunflower seeds (no more than 1/4 cup= 5 carbs)
1/2 shot glass of apple juice (necessary to take a NASTY tincture)
chicken or beef, broccoli
1T PB (just peanuts and salt) 1T coco chips mixed together once a day-sometimes broken in half and eaten twice a day. (thanks HB BTW  ;D). Should I cut out the last treat? Its about 8 carbs total. (also butter on my food and supplements) Anything else I should change? I need more veggies, but have to go shopping first.

Edit: I shoud add I am having some rashy/itchy/dry skin things going on. Plus I'm really tired and having tummy troubles, so I know that SOMETHING must be happening. But I really don't want to be feeding these little buggers.
  I generally didn't eat chocolate every day (only when the really tough cravings hit), so if you think you need to cut back, listen to your instincts, but if you're symptoms are managable and you feel like you're on the right track, then go with it.  From what you've listed, I'd say you're on a pretty tight carb schedule.  If you keep it up, you'll most likely even lose some weight.  ;D
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2008, 10:07:28 AM »
I am on day 3 of my candida cleanse (still waiting for YA and TT to arrive but started anyway) and I am feeling not as hungry and not craving bad food as much. Is this normal or am I eating too many carbs/sugar still? A typical day is eggs
salad or meat of some sort
sunflower seeds (no more than 1/4 cup= 5 carbs)
1/2 shot glass of apple juice (necessary to take a NASTY tincture)
chicken or beef, broccoli
1T PB (just peanuts and salt) 1T coco chips mixed together once a day-sometimes broken in half and eaten twice a day. (thanks HB BTW  ;D). Should I cut out the last treat? Its about 8 carbs total. (also butter on my food and supplements) Anything else I should change? I need more veggies, but have to go shopping first.

Edit: I shoud add I am having some rashy/itchy/dry skin things going on. Plus I'm really tired and having tummy troubles, so I know that SOMETHING must be happening. But I really don't want to be feeding these little buggers.
  I generally didn't eat chocolate every day (only when the really tough cravings hit), so if you think you need to cut back, listen to your instincts, but if you're symptoms are managable and you feel like you're on the right track, then go with it.  From what you've listed, I'd say you're on a pretty tight carb schedule. 

Ya, I probably didn't need the chocolate yesterday, at least not all of it. So I could probably do better there. Thanks for the info, good to know that someone else thinks it sounds pretty low.  ;)
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2008, 02:51:49 PM »
Ahhhh...I LIKE CARBS WAY TOO MUCH TO DO THIS!!! Pheww, I just needed to vent.  ;) I'm on day two of a no yeast diet and did I have a headache yesterday. I actually cheated and had a teaspoon of honey to try to ease the pain. Today is much better but I am much more hungry today. On a daily basis I'm taking my vitamins, a liquid mineral, aloe juice, Super tonic, a clove of a garlic, digestive enzymes, a colon cleanser, and eating homemade yogurt.
I really want to add some good fats like CLO or coconut oil but I just can't stand the thought of taking it not in juice.
Does that sound good? Is it suppose to be this bad?? I read that it will get better but I just need some assurance. My poor son had a cranky mama today and yesterday.
As far as eating, eggs with veggies and lots of cayenne for breakfast followed by a cup of yogurt.
Lunch is usually a little bit of homemade cottage cheese and raw veggies.
Dinner some kind of meat and veggies.
Oh, I'm also cutting out coffee. I'm sure nobody wants to visit me this week.  :D Will a month of this kill my yeast?
Okay, no somebody make me feel better.  ;D
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #127 on: February 13, 2008, 04:16:41 PM »
It's so hard to cut out those carbs, isn't it??  I promise you'll feel better soon.  The first few days are by far the worst.  You can do it!!  After the first few days, other foods will taste much better.  I started craving salads.  They are so good with red peppers and sunflower seeds, and homemade olive oil dressing!  If you can figure out ways to eat the coconut oil, you'll kill the yeast faster, so you can add carbs back sooner!  We fry veggies in it.  You can fry things like sliced zuchini breaded with millet or buckwheat flour.  It's a nice change, and gets in that good oil.  Hope it gets better for you soon!

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« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2008, 04:48:25 PM »
It's so hard to cut out those carbs, isn't it??  I promise you'll feel better soon.  The first few days are by far the worst.  You can do it!!  After the first few days, other foods will taste much better.  I started craving salads.  They are so good with red peppers and sunflower seeds, and homemade olive oil dressing!  If you can figure out ways to eat the coconut oil, you'll kill the yeast faster, so you can add carbs back sooner!  We fry veggies in it.  You can fry things like sliced zuchini breaded with millet or buckwheat flour.  It's a nice change, and gets in that good oil.  Hope it gets better for you soon!
What she said!  Hang in there.  If you want to cheat a little, a bit of bitter or semi-sweet chocolate won't hurt too much.  Just don't overdo it and also a gob of natural peanut butter often helped curb my sugar cravings.

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2008, 04:53:31 PM »
Thanks, I just took a long, hot bath in Epsom salt, baking soda and lavender oil and feel better.  :D I love the food I am eating, I just miss the other stuff!  I was eating coconut oil before I started this but I look in things like oatmeal and french toast. Sigh...I'll get off my duff and go chug a tablespoon.  :-X
Thanks for the kind words, I'll keep you updated.
Jess
Great word HB but, how do measure the carb count of a gob?? ')

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« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2008, 04:58:00 PM »
Jess, all I can say is that you're doing a whole lot better than I ever could! ;D  Dh knows how I fall flat on my face when trying to do a low-carb diet.   :-[  Just keep it up - I'm sure you're doing great!

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« Reply #131 on: February 13, 2008, 07:29:12 PM »
Thanks, I just took a long, hot bath in Epsom salt, baking soda and lavender oil and feel better.  :D I love the food I am eating, I just miss the other stuff!  I was eating coconut oil before I started this but I look in things like oatmeal and french toast. Sigh...I'll get off my duff and go chug a tablespoon.  :-X
Thanks for the kind words, I'll keep you updated.
Jess
Great word HB but, how do measure the carb count of a gob?? ')
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #132 on: February 16, 2008, 05:27:00 AM »
Day 5 for me and I feel good, I actually have energy. No more headaches but yesterday I had horrible diarrhea. Sigh, at least things are dying. we don't have the money for TTU or YA but I have been eating raw garlic, drinking aloe juice, coconut oil and a bowel cleanser that contains probiotics, some black walnut and aloe. Is all of that enough to kill the yeast and provide enough good bacteria? I plan on doing this for a month. Oh and I drink beet kvass and take a lactic acid supplement. I'd love some reassurance to make sure I am on the right track. Thanks! HB, if you want me to post somewhere else let me know.
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2008, 06:21:27 AM »
Day 5 for me and I feel good, I actually have energy. No more headaches but yesterday I had horrible diarrhea. Sigh, at least things are dying. we don't have the money for TTU or YA but I have been eating raw garlic, drinking aloe juice, coconut oil and a bowel cleanser that contains probiotics, some black walnut and aloe. Is all of that enough to kill the yeast and provide enough good bacteria? I plan on doing this for a month. Oh and I drink beet kvass and take a lactic acid supplement. I'd love some reassurance to make sure I am on the right track. Thanks! HB, if you want me to post somewhere else let me know.
Jess
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #134 on: February 16, 2008, 08:07:00 AM »
We are about to do a yeast cleanse and I was wondering can you take motrin for headaches or is that bad?
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #135 on: February 17, 2008, 04:59:18 AM »
We are about to do a yeast cleanse and I was wondering can you take motrin for headaches or is that bad?
As far as I know, Motrin won't do anything for or against Candida; however it can be irritating to a leaky gut. 
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« Reply #136 on: February 20, 2008, 04:47:49 AM »
Well, we have been doing a low carb diet since Monday.  The children are now CRAVING sugar/bread very badly.  I have a question.  My 9 yo daughter is having the worst time.  She felt bad all day yesterday, but no fever, stuffy nose or cough (flu is going around our house) so I am assuming it would be yeast die off.  I have not given them a yeast killer as my doc would think I was completely insane if I asked for a nystatin script.  So I have just given them probiotics to take and taken out the sugar and most carbs.  I have let them have one spoon of brown rice at supper last night and a half piece of toast the day before and also a small container of yogurt (it did have sugar, but she said it made her feel better), but other than that they are basically eating  meat, cheese, a tiny bit of peanut butter and low carb veggies like lettuce.  This morning my daughter is shaky and a little pasty white.  No fever, cough, or anything else.  She just says she is hurting all over..even crying some.  She keeps asking for scones, muffins, bread etc.  I really didn't think that the die off would be this bad without having a yeast killer.  What do you all think?  yeast die off or she's coming down with some sort of virus?

Any help would be appreciated...I'm feeling like a bad momma.

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« Reply #137 on: February 20, 2008, 07:05:36 AM »
Well, we have been doing a low carb diet since Monday.  The children are now CRAVING sugar/bread very badly.  I have a question.  My 9 yo daughter is having the worst time.  She felt bad all day yesterday, but no fever, stuffy nose or cough (flu is going around our house) so I am assuming it would be yeast die off.  I have not given them a yeast killer as my doc would think I was completely insane if I asked for a nystatin script.  So I have just given them probiotics to take and taken out the sugar and most carbs.  I have let them have one spoon of brown rice at supper last night and a half piece of toast the day before and also a small container of yogurt (it did have sugar, but she said it made her feel better), but other than that they are basically eating  meat, cheese, a tiny bit of peanut butter and low carb veggies like lettuce.  This morning my daughter is shaky and a little pasty white.  No fever, cough, or anything else.  She just says she is hurting all over..even crying some.  She keeps asking for scones, muffins, bread etc.  I really didn't think that the die off would be this bad without having a yeast killer.  What do you all think?  yeast die off or she's coming down with some sort of virus?

Any help would be appreciated...I'm feeling like a bad momma.

Jammie

If it were me, I would just wait and see.  A good investment would be some xylitol, which you can buy from thecatalog.com.  It is super sweet, and it really does take sugar cravings away.  We make mexmarr's coconut oil treats with them, which is coconut oil, carob or cocoa, and a litttle stevia or xylitol.  I've found that if I bring this mixture to a boil, then remove from heat and stir until room temperature, and put it in the freezer, that the consistency is like chocolate.  I've also made lemon bars, minus the crust, with eggs and xylitol.  Eating too much makes you feel sick, but again, it kills the sugar cravings.

Sorry you're having such a hard time, but nobody ever died from a week of no sugar.  Make sure they're drinking plenty of water, as that will help with the die-off.

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2008, 10:53:51 AM »
Well, we have been doing a low carb diet since Monday.  The children are now CRAVING sugar/bread very badly.  I have a question.  My 9 yo daughter is having the worst time.  She felt bad all day yesterday, but no fever, stuffy nose or cough (flu is going around our house) so I am assuming it would be yeast die off.  I have not given them a yeast killer as my doc would think I was completely insane if I asked for a nystatin script.  So I have just given them probiotics to take and taken out the sugar and most carbs.  I have let them have one spoon of brown rice at supper last night and a half piece of toast the day before and also a small container of yogurt (it did have sugar, but she said it made her feel better), but other than that they are basically eating  meat, cheese, a tiny bit of peanut butter and low carb veggies like lettuce.  This morning my daughter is shaky and a little pasty white.  No fever, cough, or anything else.  She just says she is hurting all over..even crying some.  She keeps asking for scones, muffins, bread etc.  I really didn't think that the die off would be this bad without having a yeast killer.  What do you all think?  yeast die off or she's coming down with some sort of virus?

Any help would be appreciated...I'm feeling like a bad momma.

Jammie

Sounds like you are dealing with gluten allergies so they are going through withdrawls as well as die off. Gluten is a potent allergen that can become an opiate in the body & when it does it is HIGHLY addicting. Also, I hate to tell you this but many people that are allergic to gluten are allergic to casein (milk protein) as well. Here are some some links & quotes to get you started on info. Some of what is in the posts won't apply to you but I am on my way out the door so I don't have much time today & they have great info to get you started. They also get into some of the many other symptoms gluten &/or casein allergies/addictions can cause which may be helpful- you may recognize things that you didn't know were related.

Start with this post on this thread & the next 7 posts, they all deal with gluten allergy:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3892.msg81219.html#msg81219


As far as failure to thrive if the mom is drinking milk, nursing, & baby is allergic I can second that. Cows milk protein can pass into breastmilk unchanged. My DS lost 2 lbs by the time he was 12 days old because I was drinking cows milk while nursing him. Even after he regained his weight he continued to have multiple health problems & it took us months to figure out what was going on. I personally think it happens much more often than parents & doctors realize. DS is now 21 years old & STILL loses weight when he eats dairy. Another thing is that when he eats the food he's allergic to he becomes a bottomless pit & is always hungry although he seems to be outgrowing that. It seems to be a case of the allergic food interfiring with him absorbing what he eats so it's like he's not eating at all. His health problems & no answers is what got me into herbs, alternative medicine, etc.

Something I would add to this is to treat both you & your DS for yeast/fungus & leaky gut. I didn't know it then but both my DS & I have major yeast/fungus & leaky guts. Leaky gut has a lot to do with allergies. The walls of the gut are supposed to be like a very fine sieve & only let through the gut wall what is SUPPOSED to pass through. With leaky gut (yeast/fungus is one cause of leaky gut- so is repeatedly eating foods your allergic to) it's like the sieve is replaced with a much coarser one- the holes are larger & much bigger pieces can get through- including undigested food.

Another think that seems to be one of my DS issues is gluten. He's now 22 & has been a thin toothpick his entire life despite the fact that he eats plenty. I always thought that there was another allergic food that he was eating but I couldn't figure out what it was. It's really hard to figure out his food allergies because he is allergic addictive & will NOT stay on his diet, he will sneak his allergic foods. I thought about gluten but since he didn't have the typical intestinal symptoms I didn't think gluten was the problem. While my mom was sick this past summer & life was crazy we had a few days where we were out of bread, tortillas, etc & he didn't eat ANY gluten for a few days. Like I said, DS is a toothpick & in those few days he noticeably filled out, esp in his arms which are very thin. Thanks to having read the book   "Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder" by Karyn Seroussi (thanks to WTM) lightbulbs went off in my head & I realized that gluten probably WAS a problem for him. As soon as he started eating wheat again his weight gain was gone in 2-3 days, it just seemed to melt away which was another big clue, esp since his weight seeming to melt away is one of the things that happens when he eats sugar, corn or dairy. None of my kids are Autistic, I just read the book because so many people on WTM talk about it & I wanted to know what they were talking about. I am SO glad I did. It has SO much info that applies to anyone with yeast/fungus, leaky gut. allergies, ADHD, & more- I recommend that you read it.

Our lives have been beyond stressful the last several months- my mom passed away in Aug, we had to move, work, unpacking, house repairs, & all the normal life stuff as well. You can get addicted to the foods your allergic to so giving them up can cause withdrawl symptoms. My family definitely has allergic addictions to dairy,corn & sugar so I suspect they will suffer withdrawls when we go off gluten. With all the stress we have been under we chose to hold off before going gluten free & adding more stress so we haven't gone gluten free yet. I'm still unpacking & organizing my kitchen but as soon as I'm done the whole family (I suspect the rest of the family has gluten allergies also) is going gluten free. Something you might want to look into.

Here is a post I posted on another thread. The thread is talking about kids that are bottomless pits & always hungry but soon of it does apply & the book suggestion do apply to low weight infants also. I wish I had those books when DS was a baby- my learning curve about his medical problems would have been MUCH shorter:

Being a bottomless pit & frequent burping can both be caused by food allergies. The book Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism would probably help. Don't let the title scare you - it has A LOT of info about allergies in it. Also Is This Your Child? by Dr Doris Rapp & any of her other books. Another good book is: An alternative approach to allergies : the new field of clinical ecology unravels the environmental causes of mental and physical ills  By Theron G. Randolph and Ralph W. Moss. It is a doozy title but it is an EXCELLENT book & is understandable.

Another thing that can cause bottomless pit is low blood sugar & the blood sugar swings & worn down adrenal glands that go with it. Also leaky gut, yeast & fungus can all cause bottomless pits as well. Allergies, leaky gut, yeast/fungus, worn down adrenal glands & low blood sugar all tend to go together & set each other off anyway. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

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Herbalmom- Thanks so much for that information :) I was thinking of ordering the book anyways, so, I will now. Also, I had just put a call into our homeopath doc today to ask about yeast/LGS. I will definitely touch base with the doc about that! I had suspected it anyway. Thanks again for your input and allowing me to learn from your experiences!

Your welcome. I went though a lot with DS including family & Drs that believed that all his problems were due to a young mom that wasn't taking care of her child which wasn't it at all but since I was 19 & he was my first it was easy to blame me rather than try to find the real answer. I'm glad that I can help & hopefully spare someone else some of the stress & hassle that I went though.

DS's problems were what got me seriously into nat medicine. His allergies cause a lot more symptoms than just weight loss including speech problems, brain fog, mood swings & more but this is the wrong thread to get into that part. I will say that I have no doubt that if I hadn't changed his diet & used nat medicine by now he would have life threatening allergies, probably asthma, & be labled as mentally handicapped or Autistic. He is nothing of the sort, he has been tested & he actually has a very high IQ but allergic foods & chemical sensitivities (which he also has) can affect him that much.

Check out the other books I mentioned also- between all of them you get a pretty clear picture at just how much allergies & chemical sensitivities can mess up your body.

Keep in mind though that many Drs, including homeopathic Drs still don't know about all of this so he may or may not be of help. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom 

Great advice Herbalmom.

Just want to give a reminder that gluten and casein are very similar proteins, so an allergy to one makes it much more likely that an allergy to the other exists.

Also, Seroussi says in her book that gluten and casein probably have an opiate-like effect on the brain, so they are indeed addictive for sensitive individuals.  Hence, the food sneaking and gorging.

Yep, that's my kids to a T. Add in major yeast/fungus issues, the fact that sugar works like morphine in the brain & low blood sugar & you get sugar & carb binging too. I knew about all of this before I joined WTM EXCEPT the part about gluten & casein being so alike & causing the opiates in the body until I read her book. That was a big piece of the puzzle though. Believe me, I don't just give answers on WTM, I have learned a bunch also. Thanks to all that have posted info that helped me. Blessings ~herbalmom

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2008, 02:33:51 PM »
It may not be die-off.  Here's another piece of the puzzle for some who feel awful on a low-carb diet (from www.wrightnewsletter.com, Jonathan V. Wright)

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Q: After reading your report on diabetes, I got tested for insulin resistance. My results were positive and I tried following a low-carb diet, as you suggested. However, I found that my mood was terrible the whole time I was on it. It got so bad I stopped eating that way. I'd really like to go back to it, though, since it helped my blood sugar so much (not to mention that it helped me lose 15 pounds). Is this normal? And is there anything I can do to prevent it?

JVW: Every once in a while, I come across a patient who clearly has the criteria for success with a low-carbohydrate diet, but who has developed depression -- anything from mild to serious -- while following it. Like you, some of these people are ready to quit the high-protein diet just to escape the depression, even though they feel much better physically. But I usually ask them to try another approach first -- replacing something their body may not be getting enough of.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase "fat and happy." Well, it's not just folklore. The same carbs that make you fat (and contribute to diabetes and other problems) also make you happy. It's simple science: Carbs allow more of the amino acid L-tryptophan to penetrate your brain. The L-tryptophan triggers your brain to make more serotonin, and the serotonin makes you feel happier. But if you're following a low-carb diet, it's possible that not enough L-tryptophan will penetrate your brain, and you could wind up depressed.

The solution can be as simple as taking supplemental tryptophan so there's more of it to penetrate the brain. I typically recommend either 1,500 milligrams twice daily or, if that causes drowsiness (which is rare but possible), all 3,000 milligrams can be taken at bedtime. Just make sure not to take it when you're eating protein. It's best to take tryptophan with whatever small amount of carbohydrates you do eat.

L-tryptophan has been available by prescription for two to three years now, but it also very recently became available over-the-counter once again (as it used to be until about 1989). At present, over-the-counter L-tryptophan can be found in a few natural food stores and compounding pharmacies. But if you have trouble finding the over-the-counter version, a physician skilled in natural medicine should be able to help you obtain a prescription for it.

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #140 on: February 21, 2008, 02:45:53 PM »
Low carb can cause die-off without yeast killers.  You are withholding their food supply and starving them out.

You might try for the carbs, natural unsweetened peanut butter, cocoa and raw honey instead of sweetened yogurt.  it might actually curb the cravings and help to reset her "cravings" correctly.  throw a sprinkle or two of flax seed in the mix for an omega 3 kick and a fiber to help push through toxins.  Here's a recipe I tried the other day.  http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,7472.msg153419.html#msg153419

Give lots of water and rest.  Keep a close eye on her in case her blood sugar is low or she might be coming down with something, but my first instinct says she's craving what she needs the least because she's fighting yeast.  (hey I made a rhyme.  hee hee.) ;D

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2008, 08:18:40 AM »
Well an update,

The reason that my darling daughter was the only one having such severe reactions is that when my son went to Meme's he snuck 4 pieces of toast and ate a sleeve of white crackers...so his yeast were still partying....  After one day without any cheats ds reacted just exactly the same way dd did the day before so I guess hers was mostly die off and I think they are actually addicted to the carb/sugars.  (They were shaking like a drunk)  My littlest has done very well as she is NOT a picky eater at all.  She is happy with chunks of cheese, boiled eggs, meat, cucumbers, lettuce, celery, raw zuchini and just about anything we put in front of her.  In general she has a much more rounded diet.    I did however, cave in and gave them one carbo treat per day (ie 4 whole wheat crackers or half piece of toast, 1/2 a potato turned into french fries and split between all four of us... .o and one time they ate a Little Debbie Oatmeal cookie at a 4-H thing :-[).  Also I've used the yogurt to get the probiotics down, but will stop considering the sugar in it.  I have unsweet, plain yogurt brewing right now.  We had fluffly omlets with bacon last night and everyone went to bed happy and full.  Thanks for all the encouragement.  Tonight we have to eat out...that is going to be hard...however, Meme is diabetic so we'll likely eat somewhere that is low carb friendly. 

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2008, 08:40:30 AM »
my son went to Meme's he snuck 4 pieces of toast and ate a sleeve of white crackers...so his yeast were still partying.... 
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2008, 09:57:04 AM »
  hey there  jammie ! My 4 year old slept for a day and a half, and was pale when he started a yeast free gluten free diet. no sugar, fruit, or dairy, no yogurt, nada just meat veggies and eggs. :o

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #144 on: February 23, 2008, 06:26:38 AM »
<My 4 year old slept for a day and a half, and was pale >


WOW!  That is good to know...of course, we'll have to keep him from feeding the yeast party for anything that drastic to happen...lol.  The weekends are hard since Meme lives next door... ;D 

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #145 on: March 29, 2008, 04:13:39 PM »
Hi All

I'm new hear and so glad that I found this site.  Thanks so much for all the good information.

I am in need of some immediate help/advice.

I have had candida for some time but have basically treated the symptoms with kefir and have changed our diet.  We eat as little processed foods as possible and try to eat at home most of the time. However, we didn't change it as much as was needed.

After a recent surgery, I developed a rash in the groin area.  Very red and ugly but treated with TTO and it went away.  Then my 6 yo son started getting red spots around his neck that we treated the same way and they went away.  I had a red spot on my arm for a while and suddenly it exploded this week.  Very red, very itchy, very swollen, etc.

I had been avoiding the doctor but this was hot and very ugly so went to ER and they of course gave antibiotics and anti fungal.  It has improved but not much.  Today I stopped the antibiotic because I knew it would cause more problems with the fungus.  Now I have broken out into a rash all over my neck, back, arms and my side.  I know that I did not get the fungus all over these areas because I have kept myself covered all the time.   Do you think the new rash could be caused by stopping the antibiotic?  I am showing signs of yeast infection, also.

I am going to start the water cure tomorrow and no sugars, carbs, etc.  Am also ordering the YA and TTU Monday.  Should I also get the A Blast?

I have been on this site all day trying to get info on where to start.  It is all pretty overwhelming right now.  My 6 & 7 yo children will be doing this with me as they also have candida issues.  I am so looking forward to being healthy again.

Thanks for any help/insight you can give.

Wendy

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #146 on: March 29, 2008, 04:54:41 PM »
You could have an infection and with the sudden spread I'm not sure I would mess around with that. Maybe try GOOT and/or dead sea salt (or Celtic sea salt) solution on it but another doctors visit may be in order.

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #147 on: March 30, 2008, 12:32:41 AM »
Thanks Whiterock

I believe I did have an infection earlier in the week.  So I had started on the antibiotics.  I had one day left on them when I stopped taking them yesterday.

I think the reason why it exploded earlier in the week is that I had covered the fungal infection because it was draining.  That made it spread to a larger area.

My thought is that the yeast problems I had added to the use of the antibiotic are why I have broken out into a rash.  It isn't all over my body.  Just my back, neck, a spot on my rib area and the arm with the fungal infection.  It has not spread since last night.  Actually, putting a Kombucha scoby on it makes it better.  Makes it sting when it is on but afterward, the rash seems to diminish and not itch.

I was looking for information on the DSS compress and found this post:
 http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3517.msg156490.html#msg156490

It is similiar to what I am experiencing.  I feel great other than the rash and itching.

I am going to continue with DSS compresses and baths and have started the water cure this morning.   If it doesn't improve today, I will have to consider the doctor tomorrow.   :-[

I have seen GSE mentioned in some posts for use on things like this.  I have some.  How would I use it?  I know it needs to be diluted.  How much would I dilute it?

Thanks

Wendy
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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #148 on: March 30, 2008, 03:34:54 AM »

I am going to start the water cure tomorrow and no sugars, carbs, etc.  Am also ordering the YA and TTU Monday.  Should I also get the A Blast?

I have been on this site all day trying to get info on where to start.  It is all pretty overwhelming right now.  My 6 & 7 yo children will be doing this with me as they also have candida issues.  I am so looking forward to being healthy again.

Thanks for any help/insight you can give.

Wendy

hi Wendy, welcome!  there are a lot of helpful people here and way too much info!!!   :o  it can be overwhelming, but over the years it sinks in and you get things figured out.  HB used the acidophilus blast for her yeast killing regiman and it worked for her.  i am using it now, 4 or 5 a day however many i can get in, and a double shot glass full of primal defense (i think the beeyoutiful name is ultimate defense, but mine's powder--it's 12 strains w/ HSO's) once a day.  the AB is cheap to use in large quantities.  also, i just keep the TTU on hand for stomach ailments, diarreah and making yogurt.  i am looking for company on the threads that deal with food for the no sugar/carb diet so post your new and interesting things to eat here!!!

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Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
« Reply #149 on: April 01, 2008, 05:37:09 AM »
As a courtesy to the member who started this thread and those participating in the conversation and to keep subjects more organized and easier to find, please attempt to stay on topic as much as possible.  This thread is about die/off symptoms not treatment methods for candida.

If the conversation triggers a new subject of interest, please search the forum for a more appropriate thread for the discussion. 

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html

When one cannot be found, start a new one.

If you'd like to have a more personal conversation that would otherwise derail the topic, please take advantage of your ability as a forum member to send personal messages.

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