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Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« on: November 14, 2006, 07:06:44 PM »
Our mechanic, a wonderful Christian man with whom we attended church for several years, was knocked down by a forklift in July and his thigh was run over by a front wheel. Nothing was broken, but there was a lot of bruising and swelling. Additionally, the driver unknowingly turned the wheel as it ran over his leg, which tore the skin away from the underlying muscle. He has had a problem with constant pain and fluid retention between the skin and muscle since then. What herbs and supplements would be good for him to take to encourage healing?
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2006, 07:35:44 PM »
Healing Muscles After Weight Lifting
Healing Bruises Naturally
Bone rebuilding/broken bones/bone spurs
Broken Bones: Natural Healing and Pain Relief

I realize that you mentioned the bone is not broken; however the last two links have information on healing and pain relief.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 04:48:38 PM »
Arnica....a homeopathic remedy for tramua works exceptionally well to help the body heal intially after someting like that happens. I've used it several times and I can never get over how well 5 little sugar pills can be so powerful!! Ibuprofen eat your heart out!!! :)
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2006, 04:54:13 PM »
I have Arnica ointment that works wonders.  I use it when my 18 mo son falls and it has prevented all signs of bruising on his forehead even when there is a large knot.  This has worked two or three times.  The only bruises he has had was when I didn't use it.  Fortunately, his balance is getting better and we haven't had any bumps to doctor lately. 

I have also used it on strained back muscles and it immediately gives a warm, comforting
sensation.  My chiropractor gave it to me when I was pregnant and having hip pain from an old injury.  It has never let me down.
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2006, 06:44:06 PM »
TRY oregano oil!!! Massage oil on muscle ailments and sprains for several minutes every hour to four hours, apply to bruises two or three times daily. It is an effective pain reliever for this type ailments.   I hope he feels better soon :)
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2006, 11:13:53 PM »
I've have an unrelated question. Where do you find Arnica creme in the States ? Here, everybody uses it all the time, especially with young children who fall and get bruised often. I brought it with me to the States in case I would need it and my mother-in-law said she's never found that there, but knows how powerful it is (she used to live in France).
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 03:48:33 AM »
I find mine at the local health food store. It seems that the better the product, for some reason, the less likely you are to find it at a major retailer. Also, I find that I have to really search for arnica. It is used as an ingredient in a lot of products -- which is frustrating when you're trying to just find the arnica oil or cream.
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2006, 09:56:33 AM »
I got mine from my chiropractor but here is the name and number that is on the container.

Luyties 1-800-homeopathy

http://www.1-800homeopathy.com/?rsource=google&rkeyword=homeopathy

It is a company in St. Louis.
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 05:27:20 AM »
Just another Arnica testimony.  This morning I smashed my finger bad while putting wood in the furnace.  I finished the wood and then took my glove off.  The finger had a marble size knot on the back of it and a dime size, dark purple bruise already.  I immediately rubbed Arnica on it and went about my other task.  After about 15 minutes I looked down to discover that all signs of purple were gone.  It still had a knot and hurts a lot if pressed but I was still amazed.  I thought Arnica would just prevent bruising.  I put some more on it and after 1 1/2 hours the knot is half gone.  It still hurts terribly if touched but that is expected as I think I might have cracked the bone.
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 08:37:54 AM »
A couple of days ago, I was carrying a laundry basked and slipped on our basement steps and landed on the lower right side of my back.  I was in excruciating pain.  It was a good thing my husband was home because I could not even move!  I laid on a bag of ice, but I think it lowered my body temp. too much, and my body went into shock and I had horrible nausea, chills, and diarrhea for about 2 hours.  NOT FUN!  Anyway, the next morning, I got some arnica cream and homeopathic tablets at the health food store.  I've been using it copiously and taking the max dosage of the tablets.  I can tell that the pain is all muscular, but there is absolutely no bruising visible on the surface.  I cannot believe this because I am still in so much pain! 

Just today am I able to even hold my 14 lb. son, but I can't bend or twist at all, and have to have my husband hand him to me if I'm going to hold him.  I'm getting better day by day and I can tell a huge difference with the arnica, but I'm wondering if there is anything else I can do.  I'm being very careful to rest, get lots of nourishment and liquids, and not overdo it so I can heal.  I'm still walking around like a very old lady though, and certain movements send up shooting pains.  I'm nursing, so this may limit what I can take.  Also, I don't necessarily want to disguise the pain with drugs, as I think this prevents me from straining the damaged muscles too much.  I'm looking for ways to help my body heal.

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 04:40:28 AM »
*bump*  Anyone have an explanation as to why I didn't bruise, yet I'm in pain and have sore muscles 4 days later?  So puzzling!  Still looking for ways to speed internal healing.

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 04:51:25 AM »
*bump*  Anyone have an explanation as to why I didn't bruise, yet I'm in pain and have sore muscles 4 days later?  So puzzling!  Still looking for ways to speed internal healing.

(see above post)

You can have bruising inside that isn't showing on your skiin, or possibly pulled muscles or ligaments, or subluxated vertabrae.  Difficult to tell what, exactly, is causing the pain.   Arnica can have dramatic results with tissue trauma if taken right away, but it seems to me to be most effective in the first 24 hours.  Ice can alleviate pain and reduce swelling, but be careful to not 'get frostbite' as my doc says, and only leave it on for 10 or 15 minutes at a time. 

If I had fallen and still had difficulty after a couple of days, I would be sure to go to the chiropractor.  Mine is adept at locating soft tissue damage as well as adjusting skeletal problems. 
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 04:59:50 AM »
A couple (OK, more than a couple  :D) of thoughts...

1) It might be an inner muscle that got harmed. It might help to do some on line or library research about back muscles to figure out which one
2) I had a big fall off of a horse once when I was low in muscle strength. I hurt an inner muscle so badly that if I walked I would black out. I laid in bed for about a week and used crutches until the inner bruise healed.
3) While at work I think I bruised an inner muscle in my lower back/side. I wasn't sure if I could go to work the next day. Using Eden Salve and a hot water bottle pressed to my side overnight for a few nights helped greatly.
4) After the pain is gone, gently exercise the muscle/part of the body. This helps to make sure that you don't loose any ability (muscle goes "soft" and small) to use it.
5) Sometimes it helps to get an elastic wrap for your back. I did this the next day at work and it helped me to support my back while the muscle was healing. The local Pharmacy usually carrys those.
6) Look into muscle relaxing/healing herbs and how to use them...

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2008, 09:14:24 AM »
Healing Muscles After Weight Lifting
Healing Bruises Naturally
Bone rebuilding/broken bones/bone spurs
Broken Bones: Natural Healing and Pain Relief

I realize that you mentioned the bone is not broken; however the last two links have information on healing and pain relief.


HI.  This is the first time I have posted on here. I am usually able to surf around and find answers without posting!  I tried the links that you have posted here and they don't go anywhere.  Just a blank page:(  Do you think you could re post them or give me a current page?  My husband has a torn rotator cuff and I really don't want him to get on the ibuprofen every 4 hours that his doc suggests.  Thanks!
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2008, 11:01:51 AM »
Healing Muscles After Weight Lifting
Healing Bruises Naturally
Bone rebuilding/broken bones/bone spurs
Broken Bones: Natural Healing and Pain Relief

I realize that you mentioned the bone is not broken; however the last two links have information on healing and pain relief.


HI.  This is the first time I have posted on here. I am usually able to surf around and find answers without posting!  I tried the links that you have posted here and they don't go anywhere.  Just a blank page:(  Do you think you could re post them or give me a current page?  My husband has a torn rotator cuff and I really don't want him to get on the ibuprofen every 4 hours that his doc suggests.  Thanks!
Sorry, try them again.  During a forum upgrade, some links were broken and they have not all yet been repaired.  Let me know if you find anymore.
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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2008, 04:15:51 PM »
today, my husband was pushing the boys on the merry go round after church.  He had to stop it real quick for some reason and hurt his arm in the process.  We are not sure if he tore a muscle, but it hurts REALLY bad if he uses it.  What can I do to help it to heal?  The pain is not really an issue because it only hurts when he uses it.  He can't even pick up his little bible (about a pound or 2) without it sending pain through his arm.  Any advice to heal this??

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2008, 04:37:11 PM »
today, my husband was pushing the boys on the merry go round after church.  He had to stop it real quick for some reason and hurt his arm in the process.  We are not sure if he tore a muscle, but it hurts REALLY bad if he uses it.  What can I do to help it to heal?  The pain is not really an issue because it only hurts when he uses it.  He can't even pick up his little bible (about a pound or 2) without it sending pain through his arm.  Any advice to heal this??

I would do ice for the 1st 24 hours, then heat.  Also that cooling gel is great for pain from sore muscles.  If he is not able to use it in the next day or 2 I probably would get it x-rayed just to make sure nothing more serious is going on.  just my 2 cents.

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2008, 04:36:17 AM »
Can he tell if it's muscle pain for sure?  Muscle pain, IMO is more tolerable that joint or ligament pain.  A pulled muscle will hurt me, but it's something that usually can be stretched and worked through.  If the pain doesn't feel like this, then he may have torn a ligament.  This takes time to heal and there's not much a doc can really do for it other than surgical procedures.  My doc told me to use ice for pain and inflammation and I also dosed myself with CLO for a few weeks.  The CLO provided me with pain relief after a couple of days.  When I twisted my ankle, I took larger doses of CLO and EPO together to get higher doses of EFA's and had great success in healing it in just a few days.  I was walking on it by the third day and I twisted it pretty badly.  I needed crutches and a wrap for the first 2 days.  Check this post to dose EFA's properly.

Inflammation & Diet [Recommended Dosages & Diet]

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2008, 03:08:20 AM »
Thanks for the help ladies, but as it was my husband refused treatment (the stinker  :D )  but he also seems to be getting better, so he must have only pulled it.  PTL!

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 04:24:13 AM »
I think I may have injured my rotator cuff grinding grain for my baby chicks.  Does anybody have a suggestion on how to heal this WITHOUT me having to go to the doctor. :)

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2010, 05:19:45 PM »
I think I may have injured my rotator cuff grinding grain for my baby chicks.  Does anybody have a suggestion on how to heal this WITHOUT me having to go to the doctor. :)
YES!!!  I've had rotator cuff injury.  I was healed taking high high doses of fatty acids

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,9697.msg93509.html#msg93509


AND physical therapy...the exercises i've described here

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1842.msg14853.html#msg14853
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1842.msg108458.html#msg108458
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2010, 05:15:55 AM »
Thank you!  I will jump on that presently. :)

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 04:12:25 AM »
I think I may have injured my rotator cuff grinding grain for my baby chicks.  Does anybody have a suggestion on how to heal this WITHOUT me having to go to the doctor. :)
YES!!!  I've had rotator cuff injury.  I was healed taking high high doses of fatty acids

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,9697.msg93509.html#msg93509


AND physical therapy...the exercises i've described here

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1842.msg14853.html#msg14853
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1842.msg108458.html#msg108458

How long did it take for yours to heal.  Mine hurts pretty bad especially at night, it's hard to find a comfortable position.   Also did you limit your activity with that arm?

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2010, 06:52:47 AM »
I think I may have injured my rotator cuff grinding grain for my baby chicks.  Does anybody have a suggestion on how to heal this WITHOUT me having to go to the doctor. :)
YES!!!  I've had rotator cuff injury.  I was healed taking high high doses of fatty acids

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,9697.msg93509.html#msg93509


AND physical therapy...the exercises i've described here

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1842.msg14853.html#msg14853
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1842.msg108458.html#msg108458

How long did it take for yours to heal.  Mine hurts pretty bad especially at night, it's hard to find a comfortable position.   Also did you limit your activity with that arm?
there were days where i just couldn't sit at the computer.  i was in pain for 3 months taking pain meds while the 'specialists' tried to figure out what was wrong with me.  the orthopedist wanted to stick a giant needle in my neck (thinking it was degen disc disease because of my MRI), but i refused, so he sent me to physical therapy.

what a blessing this man was.  he diagnosed the shoulder problem right away.  after just one session with him, i was able to stop taking my meds, but he was tough on me the first day.  he also did traction and massage.  so if you're not getting the ultrasound, the massage and the traction, it may take a few days of gentle exercise before you're getting within tolerable pain limits.  i would allow any tears to heal if you think you have any, but i'd still take the fatty acids.

it may help to get traction after the pain begins to subside some.  you can get a machine for like $20 at a medical supply place.  but be careful with this.  too much traction too soon can cause for a horrible night of incredible pain in the affected arm.  my PT actually overdid it for me the first day and then i went out swimming the same day.  so anytime you do a bit of strenous stretching, YES, take it easy.  no heavy lifting.  no swimming.  etc.  as it gets better you should be able to increase your activity after your physical therapy exercises.

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Re: Bruised, Injured & Torn Muscles
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2010, 07:02:51 AM »
okay, i was within tolerable limits of pain after the first visit; however, it took about 2 months to recover fully.  keep in mind that i didn't discover the fatty acid link until about the last 2 weeks of PT.  i was doing ok, but i got to a certain point and stopped progressing.

the PT was concerned that even tho i could tolerate the pain, i couldn't get past a certain point of healing.  i was stuck.  

then i read a book on inflammation, learned about mega doses of fatty acids and took huge, huge doses (as posted in that other thread).  they weren't big enough and i upped the doses after a week (i think).  the next PT visit after that (i was going about once a week i think at that point while continuing home exercises daily), i noticed a huge difference.  i continued the dosage until i ran out (had a big bottle of CLO, 369s and EPO).  i was discharged from PT about 3 visits later.

i did continue to work out at home sometime after that before i was totally better.  i even wound up having a couple of chiro adjustements throughout the next year, but i was able to resume normal living and just had to be sure to use my exercises and traction any time i felt a flair up.  i've not had any trouble with it in like 2 years (i think).  

miracle huh?  since the doc said it was my neck and it would never heal, but only continue to get worse (degenerative).   ::)
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