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Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
« Reply #240 on: July 09, 2009, 05:10:49 PM »
I know this is old topic as no seems to have responded in a long time. I had a horrible kidney infection over a year & a half ago. I now have a remedy which will keep me out of the docs office, & so much cheaper. D-Mannose. This natural sugar gets into the kidney & kills the bacteria & continues to kill it all the way out...bladder & kidney infection gone in a hurry. Continue taking for a week to make sure it is gone. Never be without it as you who have suffered such pain don't want to wait for it to be delivered to your door via snail mail. I get mine at iherb.com ~it is safe for babies too. My granddaughter had one in May of 2009 while on vacation. Praise God for health food stores nearby! she was better by the end of the day! A friend of mine had for two months been back & forth with the doc office & antibiotics. Her bladder infection would not go away. Finally after the 5th phone call to me she broke down & got the stuff! she called me in frustration to say "why do the docs not tell us about this stuff?!" she said for two month's I have tried to get rid of this infection & three days into the D-Mannose its gone! She is a convinced woman & tells everyone about it..
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« Reply #241 on: July 09, 2009, 07:03:47 PM »
I know this is old topic as no seems to have responded in a long time. I had a horrible kidney infection over a year & a half ago. I now have a remedy which will keep me out of the docs office, & so much cheaper. D-Mannose. This natural sugar gets into the kidney & kills the bacteria & continues to kill it all the way out...bladder & kidney infection gone in a hurry. Continue taking for a week to make sure it is gone. Never be without it as you who have suffered such pain don't want to wait for it to be delivered to your door via snail mail. I get mine at iherb.com ~it is safe for babies too. My granddaughter had one in May of 2009 while on vacation. Praise God for health food stores nearby! she was better by the end of the day! A friend of mine had for two months been back & forth with the doc office & antibiotics. Her bladder infection would not go away. Finally after the 5th phone call to me she broke down & got the stuff! she called me in frustration to say "why do the docs not tell us about this stuff?!" she said for two month's I have tried to get rid of this infection & three days into the D-Mannose its gone! She is a convinced woman & tells everyone about it..

This stuff works very well.  We use it on our daughter as needed for a week at a time. 

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Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
« Reply #242 on: July 10, 2009, 08:03:22 AM »
How do you use this?    Just substitute it for sugar or do you take a certain amount throughout the day?
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« Reply #243 on: July 10, 2009, 03:25:02 PM »
I just wanted to say Thank  you for the D-Mannose idea.  Every time I feel an infection coming on, I take it, and it goes away.  Hurray!!!!!!

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« Reply #244 on: July 10, 2009, 04:48:50 PM »
D-mannose is a supplement in powder form or capsules.  Stir the powder into water according to package directions (1/2-1 tsp dose usually); take a dose 3 or 4 times a day.  For capsules, 2-4 capsules three or four times a day.  The maintenance dose to prevent infection is one dose daily, or as needed.

Skip the sugar when fighting any infection.

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« Reply #245 on: July 11, 2009, 05:05:21 AM »
I just wanted to say Thank  you for the D-Mannose idea.  Every time I feel an infection coming on, I take it, and it goes away.  Hurray!!!!!!

Skelliott2,

I'm so glad this works for you!  I find it such a relief not to have to take my dd to the doctor for abx anymore!  I love this stuff.

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Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
« Reply #246 on: July 11, 2009, 10:29:46 AM »
D-mannose is a supplement in powder form or capsules.  Stir the powder into water according to package directions (1/2-1 tsp dose usually); take a dose 3 or 4 times a day.  For capsules, 2-4 capsules three or four times a day.  The maintenance dose to prevent infection is one dose daily, or as needed.

Skip the sugar when fighting any infection.

Do you prefer the powder or capsules?   Just curious.   ;)
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« Reply #247 on: July 11, 2009, 03:07:11 PM »
The powder is cheaper and it tastes fine in water or cranberry juice, but the capsules are more convenient when you need to be out and about.  I buy the powder and can cap it if I want (I really hate to pay more for the capsules).   They both work equally well.

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« Reply #248 on: July 11, 2009, 05:21:42 PM »
The powder is cheaper and it tastes fine in water or cranberry juice, but the capsules are more convenient when you need to be out and about.  I buy the powder and can cap it if I want (I really hate to pay more for the capsules).   They both work equally well.

Thanks.   I kind of had those same thoughts.   
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« Reply #249 on: July 20, 2009, 05:37:42 AM »
I've had the same thing work for the last 2 UTI's I got:  Eat 5-7 cloves of raw garlic (mixed in something like sour cream or cottage cheese) and drink tons of water.  This has gotten rid of my last 2 UTI's in one day. 
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« Reply #250 on: September 08, 2009, 07:17:17 PM »
 :D  I have been fighting a kidney infection for 3 months and I have been on total bed rest for the last 2 weeks and on antibiotics,too!  I am on my fifth antibiotic and no cure in site.  I have turned it over to God and prayed for an answer.  Logged on to my lap top tonight ....I believe he sent me to this site and to this answer.  I am headed to the health food store tomorrow morning.
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« Reply #251 on: September 09, 2009, 02:48:29 AM »
:D  I have been fighting a kidney infection for 3 months and I have been on total bed rest for the last 2 weeks and on antibiotics,too!  I am on my fifth antibiotic and no cure in site.  I have turned it over to God and prayed for an answer.  Logged on to my lap top tonight ....I believe he sent me to this site and to this answer.  I am headed to the health food store tomorrow morning.
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Oh, Suzzanne!  I'm so sorry for your trials...how miserable!  I'm so glad you found this site.  It's been a wonderful resource for me and my family as well.  Let us know what you use, and how it goes!  I am a big fan of the D-Mannose powder. ;)

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« Reply #252 on: October 15, 2009, 05:31:00 PM »
I just saw that the recommendation for cranberry juice is unsweetened.  I buy pure, unsweetened cranberry juice, then I dilute it with half water, with a bit of dissolved raw sugar and lime in it.  Is this not as good?  (Aside from the fact that sugar is generally not good for you, that is.)  It is just so much more palatable that way, and since I am drinking roughly 6 glasses each day to try to beat this thing, i figured I might as well enjoy it so I won't try to avoid doing it.      ~L

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« Reply #253 on: October 15, 2009, 05:49:39 PM »
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 
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« Reply #254 on: October 15, 2009, 05:59:41 PM »
I was reading recently that drinking an infusion of nettle every day can keep uti's away. Plus you get good vitamins and minerals, so sounds win win to me.

What about just eating cranberries? Are they really strong? I have never tasted one. I know I'm not a big fan of the way cranberry juice tastes but sometimes the fresh product is tastier than the plain juice.
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« Reply #255 on: October 16, 2009, 05:20:28 PM »
Okay, y'all, I just read through all NINE pages of this thread to make sure that this had not already been mentioned. And, just in case someone else doesn't want to read through the whole thing, let me break it down for you :):

Garlic
Cranberries, fresh or frozen
Cranberry juice (NOT sweetened)
Cranberry capsules
Blueberries, fresh or frozen
Yogurt
D-Mannose (can also be used daily as a preventative)
Uva Ursi
Oreganol
Using good hygiene practices (wiping front to back, urinating before and after intimacy, etc.)
Consider switching the material or style of your underwear  ::)
Quit taking bubble baths - for that matter, consider switching to showers only
Wash your undies in warm water, and consider changing detergents
Drink LOTS of water
Cut out all sugar as much as possible, even natural ones

And, here's the one I'm adding: Monarda tincture. Matthew Wood (the herbalist) recommends it for UTIs, and one herbalist goes so far as to claim that she has never come up against a UTI yet that it hasn't kicked. I haven't tried it myself, because so far I've been fortunate to not have this problem.

It might help to clarify things a bit if this is indeed true... I think that some UTI's are bacterial, will culture positive and do improve with antibiotics. :P (maybe) ;) Sugar doesn't seem to affect this kind as much. But... Some UTI's are yeast based, will not culture positive and are worsened by sugar, high sugar fruit juice, and antiboitics.
 I had the latter kind after every dose of antibiotic I ever took. ( I have chronic yeast overgrowth- another topic) The doctor repeatedly ridiculed me for saying that I always got a UTI after antibiotics, say for pnuemonia. He said you mean a vaginal infection? I said NO a UTI, first bladder then kidneys. He said not possible! Have some more antibiotics!!! Finally I thought for myself and thought why not yeast in the bladder if it is possible in the vagina...??? So I found a whatever ,,um natural doctor who said explained it over the phone as above.


One of the reasons that the use of Monarda for UTIs is so fascinating to me is because Monarda is ALSO used for fighting yeast infections. So it should be useful in either case, which might be part of the reason it has been so consistently effective.

Here's a link to an article about using Monarda (also called Beebalm) for UTIs. It includes dosage recommendations. http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=146
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« Reply #256 on: October 17, 2009, 12:45:24 AM »
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 

No, I haven't tried D-Mannose.  Where does one buy it?  I'm pretty sure this has spread to my kidneys now,  based on the location and duration of the pain.  I am urinating a lot of puss and blood as well, so I am desperate.  Will D-mannose work for that?
Still no one who knows why unsweetened cran is better?
And cranberries are nasty raw.  :-)  They are bitter, but also hard, like a firm apple.   Bleh!   ~L

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« Reply #257 on: October 17, 2009, 03:42:56 AM »
I think any health food store will carry the D-Mannose. 
I got some after my last bout with a UTI, and we've used it for my daugther, and it worked great.  The mannose is a naturally occuring sugar that is in cranberries in very small amounts.  So that is maybe who cranberries are so recommended for UTI's...but I'd rather just get the Mannose than suffer through an all cranberry diet for days.  ;D The thing with the mannose sugar is that it isn't metabolized by the body, and is flushed out via the urine.  The UTI bacterias are wildly attracted to the mannose,  bond with it, and are carried out of the bladder & body. 

I caught my last UTI early, and did the whole cranberry juice/onion soup several times a day, and raw garlic in honey, etc.  I did this for several days til' I was sick of eating all the onions/garlic, and was still having the swollen sensation.  We had a family trip/holiday planned for the weekend, so I went ahead and got an antibiotic from the regular doc.  She told me that we'd caught the UTI early, as it hadn't started throwing nitrates yet (whatever that means).  She was shocked when I told her that I'd had it for days and had been treating naturally.  So something I was doing was working. 

In hindsight, I would've done the garlic/onions much more frequently (every 2 hours).  Instead of just taking it orally, I would've done poultices over the area as well to saturate the blood supply with natural antibiotics (garlic) and anti-inflammatories (onion)...and I woulda been taking 2 t. of d-mannose 3 times a day.  I'm almost positive that I would not have needed the abx if I had done these things.  But I never get UTI's, so live and learn.  If you are already full blown, then I'd throw in some capsules of Oregano Oil if you've got it to knock down the infection.

I hope you can knock this out one way or another...There's no shame in my mind of going for abx if you've done all you can at home, and it's just getting worse.  It's not worth the pain and risk of damage to the kidneys.  Just bump up the probiotics and get well! ;)
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« Reply #258 on: October 17, 2009, 05:54:26 AM »
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 

No, I haven't tried D-Mannose.  Where does one buy it?  I'm pretty sure this has spread to my kidneys now,  based on the location and duration of the pain.  I am urinating a lot of puss and blood as well, so I am desperate.  Will D-mannose work for that?
Still no one who knows why unsweetened cran is better?
And cranberries are nasty raw.  :-)  They are bitter, but also hard, like a firm apple.   Bleh!   ~L

Yes, the mannose will work even with a kidney infection.  You should probably take 2 tsp. 3x's a day for 7 days since it's so bad.  If you can't get the mannose then you'd better get on abx because my DD's kidney infection went into a blood infection quickly and she ended up in the hospital for 3 days. 

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Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
« Reply #259 on: October 17, 2009, 02:17:46 PM »
I have urethritis. Since my son was born six months ago, I've had burning and discomfort while urinating, but tests were coming back normal. Then I started having blood in my urine, so the doctor sent me to a specialist. The specialist went in with a scope (not fun!) a few days ago and saw that my bladder and urethra are irritated, and that my urethra is the source of the blood.

The urethritis was caused by a bacterial infection. I have been trying to treat it naturally for six months, now the doctor wants me to take an antibiotic, though I'm exclusively bf'ing a 6-month-old.

OK - how do I know that my blood is ok? And my kidneys? The urology doc didn't seem concerned, but how could I have had a bacterial infection for six months without consequences? Is there anything I can take in addition to the mannose and cranberry to support my kidneys and keep me healthy?

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« Reply #260 on: October 17, 2009, 04:04:28 PM »
Yowzers!!!  It stinks when you *know* something is wrong, and no one will listen to you.  :(  So sorry that this misery has gone on for so long!

Have you had other symptoms like fever, lethargy, etc. Well...besides the exhaustion of just being a Mama. ;) 

If you've been treating naturally, you may be supporting your immune system enough to stave off the infection from spreading.  From what I understand, treating UTI's is tricky, as it's sort of the 'last stop' for dumping toxins.  So most of what you take orally (including commercial abx) are already filtered out enough to not be very effective by the time they get to the kidneys/bladder.  Since God created the kidneys to handle toxin loads, the kidneys/bladder are pretty effective at insulating the rest of the body against the toxins in the bladder area for someone with a normal healthy immune system.  So, from my understanding, it's sort of a closed system that is tricky to treat orally.

The thing with taking anything oral is, (like I said above) it has to go all the way through the filtering organs and digestive system before ending up in the bladder.  So you may take powerful doses of garlic, etc. and there is probably not going to be enough of the natural antibiotic left in the urine once it lands in the kidneys/bladder to make enough of a difference.  But it will boost the rest of the body's immunity! 

However, if you use a poultice, you're introducing the effects of the garlic *directly* into the blood supply that feeds the bladder/kidneys.  It's a much more powerful way of delivering the 'goods' directly to the source.

So I would probably try:
The mannose 3x a day, 2t. per meal for a week like Patti recommended.  Mannose sugar is naturally occuring in cranberries, but in minute amounts.  It's NOT broken down or synthesized by the body, and is passed in tact as waste in the urine...so it doesn't get filtered out by the digestive organs.  It attracts the nasty bacterias and flushes them out.  Because it's not synthesized by the body, it's safe for use by diabetics, and doesn't affect blood sugar.

Garlic poultices (chopped, raw, wrap in paper towel and douse with boiling water and cool just a bit...apply to the site for 2 min at a time hourly or as needed) to give powerful jolts of natural abx.

Onion poultices (cooked and applied warm directly over the areas of swelling/discomfort.  You can leave these on for longer) Onions contain quercetin, a natural anti-inflammatory.  You can also take quercetin orally, and it can be found in hfs's in a powdered form.

For kidney health and flushing, chamomile looks like a good choice, and is safe for nursing.  The Bulk Herb Store has some great information on Chamomile: http://www.bulkherbstore.com/Chamomile-Flowers-Whole
See the exerpts from Nutritional Herbology.  They recommend using an extract for the most potent kidney cleansing action from the volitile oils. 
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« Reply #261 on: October 17, 2009, 04:47:10 PM »
Wow, that is such a huge help! Thank you so much! I'm going to try the poultices tomorrow and hopefully have relief soon. I should have posted here sooner.

The doctor did say exactly the same thing about treating an infection there orally, but put me on the antibiotics because he said it was a bacterial infection.

I had no idea about the chamomile and will try that ASAP, too. Thank you!!!

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« Reply #262 on: October 21, 2009, 12:40:33 AM »
  HELP!!  I'm back.  I've been taking a full dose of d-mannose three times daily since Sunday.  At first it seemed to be working, but now it's really bad again.  I went to the doctor and got Cipro yesterday, but I haven't taken it because something else occurred to me.
  I recently had a yeast infection and since treating it both naturally and medicinally, I have had many yeast die-off symptoms.  In addition, my 14-month old daughter (who is still nursing frequently) has a horrible yeasty diaper rash, which I don't want to make worse.  Could my yeast/UTI problems be related?  The doctor didn't take a urine sample because my symptoms were so obvious, but now I'm thinking maybe she should have tried to identify the organism behind the infection, since the d-mannose would have likely cleared up E. coli.  Any thoughts?    ~L

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« Reply #263 on: October 21, 2009, 05:03:31 AM »
Petrimama, That could be the issue! 

I found this link from Merk:
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec17/ch231/ch231c.html
They say that candida UTI's can occur simultaneously with bacterial infections.

If it is fungal, try baking soda in your bathwater for some relief.  It will neutralize the ph, which is inhospitable for fungal growth.  You may need to take on oral antifungal, and definitely a good probiotic to replenish the good bacterias.
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« Reply #264 on: October 21, 2009, 06:59:51 AM »
Ideas off the top of my head:
~clove tea
~eat lots of garlic
~garlic clove suppository as per vag. yeast infection, since that area is so close to the problem area
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~Azo cranberry pills (the thing in cranberry that makes germs "slide" off and out, is supposed to work on yeast too)

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« Reply #265 on: October 21, 2009, 07:50:59 AM »
Petrimama,

If it were me I would try treating it with GSE instead of abx. It's antibacterial & antifungal. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

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« Reply #266 on: October 21, 2009, 08:59:33 AM »
 
  I recently had a yeast infection and since treating it both naturally and medicinally, I have had many yeast die-off symptoms.  In addition, my 14-month old daughter (who is still nursing frequently) has a horrible yeasty diaper rash, which I don't want to make worse.  Could my yeast/UTI problems be related? 

Check out my post on monarda tincture earlier on this topic (post #246). It is supposed to be INCREDIBLY effective at treating bladder infections, and is also used for treating yeast infections. It would be the first thing I would try. HTH!
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« Reply #267 on: October 22, 2009, 04:36:46 AM »
Thanks, everyone.  I'll try the ones I have on hand first and let you all know how it goes.   ~L

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« Reply #268 on: October 22, 2009, 06:00:59 AM »
Petrimama, when I had a UTI I took the D-Mannose every hour or two until the symptoms subsided over 3-4 days. Perhaps it would help if you took it a lot more frequently?
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« Reply #269 on: October 22, 2009, 07:08:43 AM »
Thanks.  I'll up my d-mannose, too.  Does anyone know if monarda is safe for nursing moms and children?  I know it is unsafe in early pregnancy, but any other safety info would be appreciated.  Thanks!   ~Layla