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Offline Homeschool_Newbie

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Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« on: December 23, 2008, 01:31:07 PM »
Hi. I'm typping in on my wife's screen name. This all started when I was about ninenteen or so. Every once in awhile, I have this really bad pain that starts as a dull, strange feeling in the middle of my abdomen right below my rib cage, a little bit on the right side. When it first happened, it was so bad that I had to go to the ER. They did a sonogram and said there was a lot of air or gas, but nothing else. The doctor I had at the time that it might be the start of a peptic ulcer, but wasn't sure. I didn't have it for a year or so, but then it came back. Eventually, it has been about once a month or so. It starts out in the morning sometime after breakfast as a dull ache, then gets worse thoughout the day. Then I feel pain going down all over with bloating and sometimes gas. I sometimes have loose Bms with it and sometimes not. Sometimes the pain is worse then other times. I peaks right around dinner time then subsides sometime after midnight upon passing a lot of gas. I finally started seeing a GI specialist who ran blood tests and stools samples which all came back negative for anything serious such as H pylori and some other things. The best way to describe the symptoms is waves of horrible pain the sometimes causes nausea or vomiting (without any signs of blood or bleeding ulcers). I had an endoscopy last spring which showed a small hiatal hernia and Barrett's Esophagus (which is a precancerous abnormal lining caused by chronic heartburn, which I very rarely experience) and the doctor said that those were not causing my symptoms. I also had a sonogram of my gallbladder which showed no gallstones, so that's not it. The only closest diagnosis came when I had a Hida Scan of my liver and gallbladder, which didn't show my gallbladder until they injected me with Morphine to open up the sphinctor of Oddi of the gallbladder. When they did this, I had a verry similar sharp pain where I normally would fo a moment, but not all day like I usually would. The doctor didn't think much of it except that he thought that I maybe would have a dysfunctioning gallbladder, but he suggested I shouldn't rush to surgery to have my gallbladder removed. Instead he put me on Levsin which is a antispasmotic medication for when I have these "episodes". Well, that hasn't helped either. I continue to have these intermittent episodes. I am an RN so I have been contemplating on what it could be(colitis, IBS, Chrones, diverticulitis, cholecystitis) I have talked to numerous patients and none of them have exactly what I experience. I ahve done numerous research and I am fed up with it all. Do you have any ideas? By the way, my wife talked me into probiotics, and I have had episodes since taking probiotics. I also drink chamomile tea when experiencing this pain which helps just a tiny bit, but not enough. I have contacted the doctor for yet another appointment and I am considering a colonoscopy which I have not had yet...   
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Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2008, 02:19:04 PM »
Hi. I'm typping in on my wife's screen name. This all started when I was about ninenteen or so. Every once in awhile, I have this really bad pain that starts as a dull, strange feeling in the middle of my abdomen right below my rib cage, a little bit on the right side. When it first happened, it was so bad that I had to go to the ER. They did a sonogram and said there was a lot of air or gas, but nothing else. The doctor I had at the time that it might be the start of a peptic ulcer, but wasn't sure. I didn't have it for a year or so, but then it came back. Eventually, it has been about once a month or so. It starts out in the morning sometime after breakfast as a dull ache, then gets worse thoughout the day. Then I feel pain going down all over with bloating and sometimes gas. I sometimes have loose Bms with it and sometimes not. Sometimes the pain is worse then other times. I peaks right around dinner time then subsides sometime after midnight upon passing a lot of gas. I finally started seeing a GI specialist who ran blood tests and stools samples which all came back negative for anything serious such as H pylori and some other things. The best way to describe the symptoms is waves of horrible pain the sometimes causes nausea or vomiting (without any signs of blood or bleeding ulcers). I had an endoscopy last spring which showed a small hiatal hernia and Barrett's Esophagus (which is a precancerous abnormal lining caused by chronic heartburn, which I very rarely experience) and the doctor said that those were not causing my symptoms. I also had a sonogram of my gallbladder which showed no gallstones, so that's not it. The only closest diagnosis came when I had a Hida Scan of my liver and gallbladder, which didn't show my gallbladder until they injected me with Morphine to open up the sphinctor of Oddi of the gallbladder. When they did this, I had a verry similar sharp pain where I normally would fo a moment, but not all day like I usually would. The doctor didn't think much of it except that he thought that I maybe would have a dysfunctioning gallbladder, but he suggested I shouldn't rush to surgery to have my gallbladder removed. Instead he put me on Levsin which is a antispasmotic medication for when I have these "episodes". Well, that hasn't helped either. I continue to have these intermittent episodes. I am an RN so I have been contemplating on what it could be(colitis, IBS, Chrones, diverticulitis, cholecystitis) I have talked to numerous patients and none of them have exactly what I experience. I ahve done numerous research and I am fed up with it all. Do you have any ideas? By the way, my wife talked me into probiotics, and I have had episodes since taking probiotics. I also drink chamomile tea when experiencing this pain which helps just a tiny bit, but not enough. I have contacted the doctor for yet another appointment and I am considering a colonoscopy which I have not had yet...   

This sounds a lot like what happens to my DH when his gallbladder is acting up. Pain in the same area, lots of gas, sometimes nausea & vomiting, etc. As strange as it sounds, resetting his back like I describe in the post in the link below stops it. The post is about my problems with my gallbladder but he has some problems with his also, just not very often & with symptoms like you describe, not like the symptoms I have. I know you're going to think it can't be that easy but be sure to read the whole thing through.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,982.msg100567.html#msg100567

The other thing that always really helps is STRONG mint & catnip tea. Catnip is a stronger antispasmodic, relaxant & nervine than chamomile. It really helps get rid of the trapped gas. The mint is for flavor & nausea. We always do both the tea & the back resetting. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom 

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Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 09:22:52 AM »
*I have this really bad pain that starts as a dull, strange feeling in the middle of my abdomen right below my rib cage, a little bit on the right side.
* It starts out in the morning sometime after breakfast as a dull ache, then gets worse thoughout the day.
*pain going down all over with bloating and sometimes gas.
*peaks right around dinner time then subsides sometime after midnight upon passing a lot of gas.
*waves of horrible pain the sometimes causes nausea or vomiting (without any signs of blood or bleeding ulcers). 
*sonogram showed no gallstones
*Hida Scan of my liver and gallbladder didn't show my gallbladder until they injected me with Morphine
*doctor thought that I maybe would have a dysfunctioning gallbladder
I had an endoscopy last spring which showed a small hiatal hernia and Barrett's Esophagus (which is a precancerous abnormal lining caused by chronic heartburn, which I very rarely experience) and the doctor said that those were not causing my symptoms.
Someone please explain to me why this isn't totally GERD...please...and prove it ala 7xSunday style;  you know, book chapter: verse, or something. ;) Better yet, is there any way to get a second medical opinion as to whether the Barrett's diagnosis is accurate?  i think it imprudent to go on one guy's say so; that's serious. If you told me i had that, i'd tell you to," stick that endoscope back down there and let me see. Is that thing digital hi-res, doc? How old is it? Do you have any pictures around this here shop where i could see other cases of this? And about that hernia, i wanna see that too."
Also, if this is GERD, then wouldn't Hyoscyamine[Levsin] serve to dry out the lower esophagous, thus exacerbating the metaplasia of Barrett's?  If i agreed with my doc that i needed an antispasmotic, i'd sooner take Lobelia, than a belladonna extract.
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I finally started seeing a GI specialist who ran blood tests and stool samples which all came back negative for anything serious such as H pylori and some other things.
Did the specialist speciffically rule out GERD? and on what grounds did he do so, if he did?
Whatever the case, i'd 1. get a chiro adjust like herbalmom said [that's a totally awsome idea/chiro took away my 'liver pain'] and 2. try studying it, and living like i had it.  You could spend a week straight reading the posts on it.  
« Last Edit: December 25, 2008, 03:17:45 PM by doug-again »

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« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2008, 02:20:16 PM »
Thank you all for the replies.

Herbalmom wrote:
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The other thing that always really helps is STRONG mint & catnip tea.

Is that a all-in-one tea, or seperate teas?

In regards to GERD, I was on protonix for awhile to help with symptoms, but it did not help. I am positive it's not gerd.

Doug-again wrote:

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Better yet, is there any way to get a second medical opinion as to whether the Barrett's diagnosis is accurate?

Unfortunately, yes I know it's Barrett's because I looked up pictures on the internet and in my nursing textbooks and my pictures are exactly like it.
I have the best G.I. doc for the area... ( Being an RN I know who's good and who is not)

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Re: Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 05:57:58 PM »
hi all, i'm looking for some answers.  just today i've started having some pain in my lower abdomen on the right hand side.  it's happened before, but not for this long.  it's right above where my leg bends.  what organ is there?  or what could it be?  i'm not coming up with any ideas. thanks!
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Re: Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 06:15:37 PM »
hi all, i'm looking for some answers.  just today i've started having some pain in my lower abdomen on the right hand side.  it's happened before, but not for this long.  it's right above where my leg bends.  what organ is there?  or what could it be?  i'm not coming up with any ideas. thanks!

Could you be ovulating?  The only other time I get pain there is when I'm pregnant and am having round ligament pains.

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Re: Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2010, 02:48:13 AM »
hi all, i'm looking for some answers.  just today i've started having some pain in my lower abdomen on the right hand side.  it's happened before, but not for this long.  it's right above where my leg bends.  what organ is there?  or what could it be?  i'm not coming up with any ideas. thanks!

Could be appendicitis.  That is just where my appendectomy scar is.  I had a very abnormal case, so I'm not much help on the normal symptoms.  I've recently read that you can try jumping and if the pain is sharp in that area when you come down then it is likely that the appendix is enflammed.  Probably worth a try anyway!

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 07:24:07 PM »
huh, weird! well, i went to bed and it went away by morning.  i hope it's doesn't show up again, i have enough problems, i don't need my appendix to have issues too! will refer to this if it ever happens again. thanks gals!
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 06:12:32 AM »
This is a long post but please read it because I feel it may be of some help to you. Sorry the wording is all weird. This site doesnt work well with my internet provider.

Your symptoms sound just like chronic pancreartitis and
or sphinctor of Oddi dysfunction(SOD)
 I mean just like it word for word.

Getting a diagnoses of abdominal pain can be nearly impossible.
 It took 39 years before they finally diagnosed me with SOD and pancreatitis.

Even if pancreaotic engzymes do not show up in the blood lab work you can still
have terrible episodes of pancrease pain. Pancreas pain fills a lot like gall bladder pains.
The pan of SOD and pancrease can also be felt in the back kind of in the regeion where a
bra is hooked.

A pancrease can be inflammed and cause issues like that but still not show up on an
endoscope or ERCP as a problem.

You may very well need pancreas engymes. Perhaps you have pancreatic insufficiency which seems to be
a growing problem.

Do you notice certain foods making it worse? Such as anything that taste good like
junk foods, fats, dairy, meats, fried foods, caffine.

It is not normal to have the pains you discribe. I went threw one diagnoses after another by doctors
guessing before one finally took it serious.

I agree that the Levsin doesnt seem to help much. Nothing does really :(
Nothing but near starvation. I will make  a list of what helps me just incase it might be of some help to you:

-trying to avoid dairy, meat, fried foods, fatty foods,
 caffeine, carbination, fake sugars like aspertame. Makes for a sort list of foods to enjoy but
I still eat the other stuff from time to time.

-the anti-inflammatory pain medicationc alled toradol must be heaven sent. It is great for decreasing the pain
but they dont tend to give it out as a home medication because it is very harsh on the
kidneys. But the next time you need to go to the ER for abdoninaml pain try asking for tordaol
in your picc line.

-try asking for a trial of pancrease engzymes. They can work wonders and make us digest better
which means less pain and diarrhea. For me over the counter enzymes make me sick and
do not help but the prescribed engzymes known as Creon work wonders. It is well worth
a try.

-when the pain is getting to be to much and you cant take meds for it try standing
and bending your head down as close to the floor as possible. For whatever reason people with
pancreas or bile duct pains often find that helpful.

I cant state enough how trying engzymes is well worth a try. I too was falsy diagnosed with
all sorts of stuff like IBS, gastropuresis, hernia, ulcers. I thought I just had a growing
list of food allergies and was all messed up.

Here are some symptoms of those with gall bladder, SOD or pancrease inflammation issues. Since you are a nurse you can handle the
yuckiness of some of them lol:
--what I call chronic butt wiping syndrome after a BM (sticky,very foul smelling, tan to orange in color)
--diarrhea
--discomfort in the colon
--gas
--Gall bladder pain: can be in the back or on the right side
  SOD and Pancrease pains:  can shot all over the upper abdomin and chest on both sides.
  But primarily it will hurt in the middle just at and below the breast bone. And in the
  back.
--the back pain feels like a missplaced disc or pinched nerve and putting pressure on it sometimes'helps.
--morning sickness that can sometimes last all day. Or it can feel like the back needs cracked.
--sometimes when laying down for too long the pain can start up
--if things are real inflammed heavy lifting can cause pain.

self test to try if you feel it is safe: (to see if it is likely to be something wrong with the billary system)
--eat a fattening greasy meal and see if the nausea  and or pain starts in.
--push just below the end of the breast bone where the pancreas is. If it hurts or is uncomfortable
  it could indicate an inflammed pancreas.
--try only eating vegetables for a day or two and see if ya feel better.

Things to research:
-chronic pancreatitis
-pancreatic insufficiency (espcially this one)
-SOD type 3 (sphincter of oddi)
-the use of engzymes

DO NOT GIVE UP!

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Re: Undiagnosed Abdominal Pain
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 12:02:36 PM »
hi BJ_BOBBI_JO!

I know it's been a long time since you posted your comments above, but I'm wondering if you know what test you had that finally told you what was the real problem?