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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2008, 01:22:42 PM »
The crying reminds me: after having some chiropractic work done, especially to release some adhesions near the base of my skull, I burst into tears.  My chiro said that is not unusual after that type of treatment, he saw it quite regularly.  Something about the nervous system resetting itself.  So, have you had any body work done?
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2008, 02:52:47 AM »
I haven't  had any body work done, but a good friend suggested that this might actually help me.  I have been considering going to a chiropractor but have been hesitant to do anything since this all seems so random.  I would love to know more about what that means (the nervous system resetting) if you see him again soon. 
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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2008, 05:33:27 AM »
I ran across a tiny bit of info on the vagus nerve while doing research on gastroparesis to help my mom. But the last few days "vagus nerve" kept rattling around in my head. I kept seeing little things to remind me of it and then I saw this thread come up in a search on something else and bookmarked it. I decided to read it before bed last night and ended up not going to bed until after 1:00 after following links and doing Google searches and such. Autonomic Neuropathy due to damage to the vagus nerve after a spinal tap failed to seal, seems like a very plausible explanation for ALL of my mom's symptoms.

After a spinal tap to test for meningitis (she actually had rocky mountain spotted fever) mom leaked spinal fluid for a week and went completely blind before they finally patched it. She was in excruciating pain but, on the one hand, the doctors seemed to think she was exaggerating, and on the other hand, they told her that if it was from the spinal tap then she would have been in so much pain she wouldn't be able to stand it. When she went blind, and dad took her to the ER, without any physical examination, they told her it was a migraine and sent her home. An intern slipped her a piece of paper with the number to a neurologist whom he had asked to see her (he said he would loose his job if the hospital knew he'd done that). She went, and although he denied that it could have been leaking for the entire week since her spinal tap (the "too much pain to standing it" thing) he did a blood patch to seal it and she got her sight back, but never regained some of her memory. She still has trouble with memory, eyesight, and a few more things.

It was not long after that when she began having health problems. It started slow, with acid reflux, and has been snowballing since then. Now her doctors are saying they can't figure out how to help her 'cause they can figure out what's wrong. Finally, two of them have decided to send her to the Mayo Clinic. I'm sending her with a piece of paper with "Autonomic Neuropathy - Vagus nerve damage from spinal tap?" on it so she can remember to ask them to test for this.

So, now, how does one heal vagus nerve damage naturally?? All the med sites I saw last night just gave a long list of drugs to take for the various affects it has on different organs and systems.

Please help.

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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2008, 05:55:14 AM »
Wow, Whiterock...that's rough.  I'm sorry you're mom had all that happen! I don't remember what all I posted in this thread, but I did start taking 600 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid daily, as well as 1300 mg EPO and 1200 mg fish oil.  Now that the days here are getting grayer and I'm inside more I'm back to CLO -- 1300 mg.  As far as I could tell in my research, the ALA was the most promising thing in healing the vagus nerve/autonomic system.  I took it for about 3 months.  About 2 months after taking it consistently (and EPO and fish oil), I started seeing many of my symptoms become less regular.  They are, for the most part, gone now.

Basically, I found out that by doing a major cleanse while taking depakote, I dislodged large amounts of the drug settled in my body and "overdosed", then went into withdrawal as it left my body.  Somehow, this did a number on my vagus nerve and autonomic nervous system.  I think that the ALA was extremely helpful in keeping my nerves from serious damage and I believe that it helped bring healing along more quickly.  However, I do know that some of the healing was simply time-related as I got the drug out of my body. 

Anyway, according to research and use of ALA by Linus Pauling, this is one of the best ways to help the vagus nerve/autonomic n system.  EPO was a runner up.
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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2011, 11:41:39 AM »
HI.  I have just thoroughly read your posting and although different etiology most likely, I have experienced much of the same Symptoms.  This is an old posting so I just want to make sure you are still out there before posting much. Please reply and I will thereafter.  Thanks so much.

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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2011, 04:39:40 PM »
HI.  I have just thoroughly read your posting and although different etiology most likely, I have experienced much of the same Symptoms.  This is an old posting so I just want to make sure you are still out there before posting much. Please reply and I will thereafter.  Thanks so much.

I'm here!  And I'm still occasionally dealing with some of this nerve stuff but have found an amazing doc who's helping me with it.  I'm interested to hear what you have to say.   :)
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2011, 09:50:53 AM »
Wow. Did not expect a reply. Great!  And thank you.  I am 31 year old male.  I play 2 semi-professional sports, body build, and this includes exercises 6 days a week and have done so for about the last 10 years consistently (always an athlete).  I am also a Physician Assistant in General Medicine.  I have no known medical conditions.  About 5 months ago I experienced extreme inflammation/pain directly under my xiphoid process, xiphoid tenderness, and a shift of the upper musculature (2 surrounding abdominal muscles). I believe I had torn my upper abdomen at the time. I do pull-ups with weight strapped around my torso belt level and have done so for the last 5 yrs or so, occasionally experiencing upper abdomen pain attributing it to a “good abs workout”.  I didn’t think much of it until I came home and sat down to eat dinner; 6 bites and I was full; I eat 6 meals a day, 6 ft tall, 190 lbs. I was terrified!  I tried taking some PPI’s (acid reducer) over the next few days to see if that would help.  My appetite was weird for a few days, but attributed to esophagitis.  About 4 days later I surfed all day, came home to eat and same thing; only a few bites and full; xiphoid still tender, and then the worst began, near-syncopal episode.  I rushed to my clinic I work at and checked myself for Diabetes (just BS reading, A1C) and normal.  I assumed a strange presentation of esophagitis again; I went to the gym a few days later, and while driving home, near-syncope sensation, for about 2 hours.  The next day I usually was fine, just seemed to be effected by increased abdominal pressure. I tried working out a few days later isolating without abdominal exercises and same SX. That weekend I had a hoarse voice, tons of excess mucus in esophagus, even on the acid reducer.  I went on a strict diet; no sugar, no gluten, stared an anti-fungal fluconazole for 10 days, and started very potent probiotics daily to hopefully eradicate any candida cause.  No change.  I researched, thought maybe hiatal hernia syndrome, I was actually sure of it!  GI workup upper endoscopy, and barium swallow studies and chest CT negative, but found Barrett’s esophagus so now I take Nexium 40 mg daily.  No help though.  (Put my wife on same regimen b/c supposed to help reduce acid reflux, she has not had any since!).  I cut out working out completely, continued beach volleyball and surfing.  Volleyball began leaving me near-syncope at end, and chest pressure constant; cut out volleyball.  Next was to rule out Cardiovascular causes.  Workup included a stress-echo…I knew the Dr. and he put me through the pro athlete regimen…negative, great heart fxn. Ironically shortly after workup I began getting occasional high blood pressure and tachycardic, only few times though, I can feel it and positive when checked.  I then saw a Neuromuscular D.O. and she looked at me and states, oh, you have a tear!  Finally, I cried…I was losing my mind, my life…She had me get and upper abdominal Ultrasound and could see tearing, lack of sufficient blood supply on right side, left side very vascular and normal stranded muscle (not one specialist acknowledged this U/S as helpful, stated you can’t see tear with U/S).  She manipulated my abdomen trying to push musculature around and release any adhesions in area; not helpful. She suggested Prolotherapy, and wanted to start following week.  Shortly after I competed in California surfing, and 2 days after being home near syncope at end of day for about 3 days; stopped surfing.  (keep in mind this whole time I always have chest pressure, every other day mild near syncope stuff, so more light headedness, post prandial fullness). The next weekend sex with wife seemed to cause near-syncope SX (but delayed for about a day), and I began having nearly 0 appetite.  I forced food down, but at times scared me b/c seemed to make chest pressure greater.  I had been researching abdominal muscle tears but not much I could find in upper abdomen…vagus nerve irritation made sense in every way, and if there is a tear made sense somehow the tear could be aggravating a branch of the vagus.  I was at work the following week and began feeling very cold, hands freezing, feet freezing (new for me, always hot!, typical guy wanting AC lower), light headed, near-syncope, no appetite but forcing food, and I said ENEOUGH!!!  I left work and went to best hospital in town to be admitted for the Million Dollar Workup.  5 days in hospital; CT head/sinuses, MRI chest/abdomen, MRA chest/abdomen, gastric emptying study, HIDA scan for gall bladder; only positive finding was delayed gastric emptying. The tech that did the MRI of upper abdomen said he saw what looked like a tear, nurse with 30 yrs experience in trauma setting, seen plenty MRI’s states he saw tear, brought in laptop to show me, and one Cardiothoracic surgeon agreed: tear, reading by radiologist, negative.  I was told to go to Mayo Clinic. The only real help I received at hospital was from the nurse that saw the tear; he got me an abdominal binder (big piece of elastic to hold my abs together, relieving stress and pressure) that over the next week took away many of my Symptoms strange enough.  Went home, began packing for Mayo. Before leaving I wanted to try one last resort. An Orlando Magic Basketball player had just had abdominal muscle repaired by surgeon in Philadelphia, PA, and after researching he is world renowned.  I called his office, and in perfect timing was able to speak to his PA, for 45 min!!!  He seemed very hopeful about all that I explained; only weird part was all the nerve stuff with abdominal tear. Said sees some nerve stuff on occasion but not all of this in one person; he still insisted that it is possible, and a trip to their office would most likely result in a surgical correction of tear.  I felt so relieved!!!!  More extensive crying!!!!  I booked flight to PA and left in 5 days.  Office visit proved tear in MRI, and scheduled surgery; he had no idea about how the nerves would react exactly, but the thought is repair the tear and the aggravated nerves will heal after the insult is removed.  I had the repair 8 days ago; Dr. Stated he saw the Vagus nerve irritation, and Phrenic Nerve irritation (I did occasionally feel Short of breath, but attributed to stress/anxious over symptoms).  I flew home about 6 days later.  I had been bed ridden for first 7 days and attempted going back to work for just half day yesterday. The worst near-syncope I have had in months, extremely cold hands/feet (this one can be vagus related I have read, but just weird), and today appetite is nearly gone (forcing food). I may be expecting results too fast. I contacted surgeon, and neuromuscular specialist: both agreed another week in bed, maybe two, with one mile walks for circulation daily.  I thought I would notice significant improvement. Surgeon wants me tested for insulinoma so having labs done tomorrow; he states that if no insulin problem then repair should work, just way too early to tell. I will spend 2 more weeks in bed. If I go back to work and get near syncope again in 2 weeks, I will go insane. I have lost 30 lbs. I no longer compete in anything, or exercise of any kind. Sex is limited with wife and boring for her cause, I can’t move. I have little to no appetite daily. If I try and work I am near syncopal after 4 hours of sitting/standing/walking. Lying in bed here I have no SX but little to no appetite. I am terrified. I am trying to find answers online. Considering Mayo in 2 weeks if no improvement.  Don’t know what else to do. Everyone is saying that nerves being irritated for this long can take a while to heal and SX will improve with rest. I am only taking Nexium; no pain meds b/c hate side effects (and really no pain now).  No know medical problem other than Barretts which is asymptomatic condition of cells.  I know you have studied and been through much more than me. Would love to hear thoughts.  I am interested in the supplements you took for nerve repair too; scared at this point maybe it isn’t the nerve, someone is missing something; but vagus nerve seems to explain it all, and Phrenic nerve meets vagus at some point as well.
Sorry for lengthy explanation.  I am venting as well. I cry daily. I am near hopelessness…I would like someone to say, this all makes since, here is the answer. But nothing. I may have to ask family for money, new grad, broke already, now out of sick pay and bills piling up.  Ahhhhhhh….any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks, from lying in bed me.

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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2011, 11:57:53 AM »
Hey. Don't know if replied correctly so directly replied to your post so you get notice...as if i didn't write enough already!!!   :)

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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2011, 03:29:08 PM »
You did it right -- I got the notice.   :D 

Your post was really helpful to me because I've experienced a number of things that I didn't know had medical definitions/terminology and that I didn't realize were vagus-related (like bouts of having lots mucus in my esophagus).  This helps me to categorize the symptoms I've had and put them in a mental file of "nerve issues". 

As you know from the date of this thread, I haven't been here for a while, so I want to gather my thoughts/what-I-did for the past couple years as well as go over your post again before I reply. 

For now I'll say that you're not hopeless by a long shot.  Start taking alpha lipoic acid asap -- as an iv if possible.  That has been the best nerve healer for me.  The doc I'm seeing is Burton Berkson.  He wrote a book I'm reading right now called The Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough:   http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-Breakthrough-Antioxidant/dp/0761514570/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310001107&sr=1-1
 
I no longer believe I have/had autonomic neuropathy, but I have no doubt that my vagus nerve was aggravated and needed healing.  ALA iv's have been *amazing* for my nerve issues.  Anyway...let me gather my thoughts and I'll be back.  ☼
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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2011, 04:09:06 PM »
Thank you so much for reply.
I will get some orals tomorow....look into IV.
Few other symptoms curious if you had: chest pains between ribs, not bad just annoying, almost heat sensations, and tightness of necks musculature.

Look forward to hearing from you...dont feel so alone in this...first board ever used! 

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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2011, 05:26:55 PM »
Lastly, brand recommendation for oral tablests?  Thanks.

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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2011, 09:05:43 PM »
Lastly, brand recommendation for oral tablests?  Thanks.


ALA caps by Metabolic Maintenance are the best quality -- most effective.
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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2011, 08:05:30 AM »
I can't seem to organize my thoughts, so I'm just going to answer you as things come to me.

In regard to neck muscles -- Yes!  I had tight, aching muscles like mad dog.  It went up into the base of my head and into my shoulders.  My husband is a physical therapist and massage therapist, and he had to work on my neck, head, shoulders almost daily.  The tightness was entirely related to the nerve problem.  Frequently when he worked on me, he would run into nerves that were like live wires.  By accident, I found that sleeping with a small neck pillow under my neck HUGELY relieved the neck muscle/nerve problems.  A McKenzie roll would probably work equally well.

I didn't get chest pains between ribs until this past year, when something causing major pressure from below started pushing on my heart.  Then everything just felt enormously *tight*.   

Often, exercise got my symptoms going again, but I found that if I started by walking, then graduated (over about a 2-3 weeks) to light jogging, and then more aggressive jogging on hilly trails, I was able to do it without too many problems.   I've recently started doing the Peak 8 exercise that Dr. Mercola recommends here:  http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2010/11/13/phil-campbell-on-peak-8-exercises.aspx   I've been using a recumbent bike for this, and have had no problems with it so far.  Sex always made my symptoms go crazy, but only if they were already present.  When they symptoms started to go away for lengths of time, sex generally wouldn't restart them. 

I am very aware of my body and so I dealt with a lot of the symptoms by "listening" to what it was telling me.  Initially, I found that massaging (in a downward motion only) the area where I felt fullness/pressure below my sternum (xiphoid process?) relieved a lot of symptoms.  Also, I would sometimes lay on my bed or the floor with a standard pillow under my back (sometimes 2) and this arching stretch really helped, too.  Sometimes I even slept like this over night. 

In the past 3 years, my symptoms have definitely improved.  Some have gone away completely, and some have changed.  I no longer have them on a daily basis.  At first I thought I was having them cyclically, but there was no pattern, so I think that when I do have them, something triggers them.

This past December, I got enormous pressure from what felt like something pushing up on my heart.  It caused difficulty breathing and tachycardia.  I took cayenne on a regular basis and it calmed things down a lot...and finally it went away.  I know it's not my heart because I've had it checked -- I'm a perfect lab/test specimen.  Also, I can feel something below that's pushing up on my heart.  This "thing" used to be a little bit to the left (my left) of the bottom of my sternum and I'd massage it for relief.  But in Dec. it moved further out (around where my pancreas might be?).  I know that sounds strange, but that's the only way I know how to describe it.  The pressure moved. 

In March, I think, my pancreas started getting a really deep ache and I could tell it was inflamed.  I read everything I could about pancreatitis and it was nothing like it.  The pain never got sharp or bad enough to go to emergency.  Also, what I ate didn't seem to affect it much.  This went on for a week.  I didn't know what to do, so I fasted for a week, then juice fasted for a week, I think.  I don't know if that made a difference.  But eventually it went away. I found that any twisting motion during this time completely relieved the pain.  Like salsa dancing -- it felt great.   I'm pretty sure the pancreas thing was related to all this other nerve stuff I've had, because I got all the other regular symptoms with it.

I also got an ultrasound when all this happened -- the doc said it was probably liver/gallbladder.  I told him it wasn't.  I know my body really well.  And he listened to me!!!  That was therapy in itself.  The ultrasound showed that my liver/gallbladder were fine....and no probs with the pancreas, either.   

It was at this time that I found Dr. Berkson.  I'd been looking for someone who worked with ALA for a long time.  I started getting iv's every week.  After the second iv, I had the worst symptoms I've had since this all began.  I felt like I was going crazy, could feel nerves up and down my spine into the base of my head, got enormously oversensitive to light, motion and sound, etc.  For 3 days I sat in the car in the parking lot of where my husband works (while he worked) because I was so scared.   Then it went away and I felt better than I've felt in a LONG time.  I don't know if it was some kind of healing crisis from the ALA or what.

Now, here's what's interesting.  During all of my crazy breakdown, I started (once again) searching the internet for answers.  I hit on a forum that had 16 pages of people posting that they had similar symptoms to what we're talking about here.  No research, no conversation, no answers (mostly) -- just post after post of people saying "I have the same thing -- these are my symptoms...".  At about 20 posts per page, that's a lot of random people with the same problem and no answers.    One guy on the forum tried to get the people posting to work together to find out what they all had in common -- unfortunately, the forum wasn't a very cohesive community like this one is, so that didn't work out.  But here's my thought:  With so many people experiencing the same things (we are so far from alone, it's almost sad!) and getting all manner of testing with "nothing wrong" and the docs having no idea what the problem might be -- I'm wondering if this isn't a problem that is very recent in origin (not in the books, yet) and caused by something we're all doing that wasn't so common before.  Like, sitting in front of computer.  ...?  Posture related?  A problem in the middle curve of the spine, head forward posture, and scrunching the gut?  I don't know.  But one guy on that forum found that that his spine *was* the issue. 

This is the forum with the many posts of similar issues:  http://ehealthforum.com/health/topic27139.html

This is a different thread the guy started who found it was related to his back (even though he had no back pain or anything) -- His name is "Brigzy" and it's worth reading all his info: http://ehealthforum.com/health/sturnum-ribs-pain-t143460.html

Since you had that tear in your abdominal muscle, maybe something happened in your spine, as well.

My husband has started doing some Mackenzie method physical therapy stuff on my back, and this seems to be very helpful.  So...maybe I'll get my back checked.

My last random thought for now is that, if you can't find out what the problem is, I'd highly recommend looking into the "Incurables Program" by Dr. Schulze.  The book for the program is at the bottom of the right sidebar on his blog, and it's free to read online:  https://herbdocblog.com/

I would LOVE to do this program, but am currently too scared to do it because I'm still on epilepsy meds and am afraid of all that happened on my colonic cleanse happening again.  Otherwise, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

So that's what I can think of right now.  Your questions help to jog my memory and hearing another person's experience in so much medical detail is *wonderful* for helping me to understand some of my own symptoms better.  And it's like getting a few more pieces to the puzzle -- different possibilities to search out.  I'll be interested to hear what you think and if any of this seems helpful. 



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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2011, 07:34:49 AM »
Thanks for the reply. Sorry for the delay. I am finding that the more I am researching and checking forums, the more anxiety I attain over my health.  I am not going to be researching much anymore, and just rust my body. The vagus nerve innervates many nuscles of the neck, including muscles responsible for speeh, and the esophagus expalining excess mucus.  I can relate to the tight chest, but for me it is directly mid chest, unders the xiphid, right at the stomach.  I still have no appetite, but can eat and am maintaining weight. I really think theat the vaus nerve has been irratated for 6 months and needs a lot of time to heal.  Really niuce to hear your progress.  I need hope at this point. I began reading the forums that you linked and there was a lot of concern and not much hope. Plus didn't seems as specific to what I am going through.  I do honestly appreciate you help.  I am a very critical person, and know I need hope and belief i n my body and its ability to heal.

I am interested in the 30-day program of detox you sent, but need to wait until my appetite picks up again I think. I will probably lose much more weight on this program.

I am considering accupuncture this week, and am seeing a visceral therapist next week (have you looked into visceral therapy:).  I have never been such a skeptic over standardized medicine, and so open to alternative medicine. I believe this is a message from above, without getting too spiritual.

I am waiting to hear back from my Neuromuscluar specialist before I begin the ALA, but am sure to begin soon.  Thanks for everything thus far. Will keep in touch.

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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2011, 07:58:55 AM »
I know just what you mean -- I stopped researching it all for the same reason you mentioned.  I took what I knew and worked with it.  I've learned more about my body in the past few years -- and it's ability to heal itself when given what it needs -- than ever before.    It's amazing. 

Also, I forgot to mention that if you take the ALA, you should take a B complex with it because ALA uses lots of B's.  And also, an omega 3 supplement is a major neuro-nourisher.  I forget some of the things I've been doing for a long time.

Take care!
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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2011, 12:31:15 PM »
Thanks for understanding!!!!  So crazy what you recommended; I ordered ALA today, Bcomplex, and planning to starty Omega's as well.  That is a sign huh?  Thanks for chatting and will check with you soon. P.S.  Yesterday best day yet after surgery...going to D.O. tomorow, and Craniosacral therapy next Monday.  Friday Visceral maniplation. I am getting into this alternative medicine, and all my training is nothing the same.  

Take care, hope you are well.

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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2011, 05:42:44 PM »
Katy*Did, I was re-reading this thread and a couple of things jumped out at me:

1) Tears change the chemical balance in the body by flushing particular substances out -

(From http://shkrobius.livejournal.com/76665.html)

...we are literally crying out the extra hormones and proteins in our brains that generate the feelings that saddened us in the first place. Emotional tears are the body’s way of flushing out the chemicals that makes us sad -- the excess prolactin, manganese and ACTH. Emotional tears contain more Mn, an element that affects temperament, and more prolactin, a hormone that regulates milk production. Sobbing out manganese and prolactin is thought to relieve tension by balancing the body’s stress levels and eliminating build ups of the chemicals. http://scienceline.org/2006/10/23/ask-driscoll-tears

...emotional tears have 20-25% more protein. They also have four times the amount of potassium normally found in blood plasma, and 30 times the concentration of manganese. Psychic tears are also loaded with hormones, adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), for example, an extremely accurate indicator of stress, and prolactin. Prolactin is the hormone that makes it possible for women to produce breast milk. High concentrations of manganese show up in the brains of people suffering from chronic depression. Too much ACTH is an excellent indicator of increased anxiety and stress. And studies show that women – all of whom have higher levels of prolactin than men -- cry about five times as often.

(ACTH is an adrenal hormone; can be indicative of adrenal fatigue; signals the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Adrenal axis.  Manganese can build to toxic levels pretty easily and it is not readily flushed from the body even with cleanses.  Baby food is "fortified" with it, and may not be reflected on the label.  High levels can negatively affect brain/CNS healing.)

2) Corrective chiropractic will align the spine and remove nerve interference.  Nerve issues need to be addressed by a qualified chiropractor.  Maximized Living chiropractors all practice corrective chiropractic along with nutrition, exercise, etc.  I hope you will soon be able to look into chiropractic.  Chiropractic alone can often relieve symptoms that have persisted for quite a while, but it is a valuable therapy in any treatment plan because it works synergistically with other modalities.  Caveat: vet your practitioner - they are not all equal.  It is important that you choose corrective chiropractic which normalizes the spine, not chiropractic focused primarily on pain relief.

3) John Symes, DVM, is having stunning success treating seizure disorder in his animal patients with The G.A.R.D. and, of course, it is applicable to people.  The G.A.R.D. is The Glutamate and Aspartate Restricted Diet.  
You can go here to read about it: www.dogtorj.com.  He does phone consults, too.

If you do a little looking you will find naysayers that claim The G.A.R.D. is based on "junk science" (it references Peter D'Adamo's work with lectins), but I personally have a friend whose young son is recovering from a seizure disorder and autism primarily because he is following this diet.

This diet is somewhat similar to Doug Kaufmann's Phase One Anti-fungal diet (without the anti-fungals), but the emphasis is on neurotoxins instead of fungus.  (One and the same, I imagine.)

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2011, 01:29:19 PM »
Is this thread still active?

I have some major insight into this issue that you all are having and can possibly shed some light on how to accelerate vagus nerve healing.

Thanks

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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2011, 06:06:27 PM »
The thread is still active -- and I'm glad you posted because I was going to reply to DHW, then got a load of company, and then forgot!!!  So now I"ve been reminded to check the thread.  I'm interested in anything you have to say, Karuss02.

DHW -- I SO appreciated what you posted about crying!  That was a *wonderful* chunk of information.  I was at the doctor about 3 months ago, and my pulse, when they checked me in, was 103.  My blood pressure was normal, but I felt like I was barely connected with reality and kind of freaking out.  So I'm trying to talk to the doc like a normal adult and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I HAD to cry.  It was so funny.  I just started sobbing for about 3 minutes...then it was over.  My pulse and weird feeling normalized immediately.  And, on a side note,  the doc was one of the best I've ever run into.  He LISTENED!  He told me the majority of patients he sees don't know a thing about their bodies, but that I sounded like his wife -- and his wife, according to him, "...knows her body better than anyone I know.".  Bless his wife.   8)

Second -- about the corrective chiropractic.  This was also enormously helpful for me!!  In one of my previous posts, I linked to a guy who found that his whole problem was spine related and a chiro took care of it.  I've wanted to go to a chiro for some time, but am admittedly a little paranoid of them because of some horror stories.  I know there are amazing chiro's out there, but I didn't know what to look for.  So, again, thanks!

And the G.A.R.D website -- that's the funniest thing.  I was researching epilepsy (again) a few months ago and came across this website.  I had it bookmarked because it was so interesting and I wanted to go back and really read it in depth and research the stuff he was saying.  Thanks for posting that -- I'm reminded to go back and check that out.  I want to see how/if it overlaps with some of the stuff True Hope does.  

Thanks for all the great info!!
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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2011, 02:03:08 PM »
OK great! I have a lot of things to gather and don't want to leave anything out. I will gather my thoughts and post either later tonight or tomorrow morning.
Thanks

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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2011, 09:56:54 AM »
Sorry for the delay I’ve been kind of busy. Well, It all started when I took a drug many years ago at a young age that I later found out did horrible things to my health. The drug was known as Accutane and if I had known the risks, I would have never touched the stuff. When I first started this medication I got the some of the same side effects that you all are talking about on here, the acid reflux and the lump and pressure in my throat. I was very young, 12 I believe, and my mom made me quit taking the drug. After coming off the drug, I still had these symptoms. The drug did a lot more damage than I thought. This drug was similar to chemotherapy drugs and after coming off chemotherapy drugs, many people have less of a certain type of cell that regenerates the myelin sheathing on your nerves. It took many years, about 10, for additional symptoms to manifest themselves. I believe it was due to the slow demylenation of the sheathing around my vagus nerve and no cells to replenish it. I had some sort of electrical test done recently to check the nerves in my extremities and I now have been diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy in the extremities also but right now are only mild. I also suffer from the high heart rate that you mentioned all of the time. And slowed emptying of my stomach, gastroparesis, as well as, poor sleeping habits (been diagnosed narcoleptic). I have been diagnosed with Parasympathetic Autonomic Failure, an autonomic neuropathy. And yes, I too suffer from the very tight muscles around the neck, and mine are very tight in my shoulders. Basically my system is geared up all the time. All of these are controlled by the vagus nerve to some extent. My standing heart rate ranges from 90-105 BPM but my blood pressure is always normal. After reading your posts, I am almost positive this is somehow related to the vagus nerve functioning. I already take EPO, ALA, Acetyl-l-Carnitine, a good multivitamin, and fish oil (all orally) in hopes that this will somehow reverse what has happened. I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of benfotiamine. It is a fat soluble form of thiamine and has been proven in studies to really help with healing of nerves, especially in diabetics, but has been helpful for non diabetics as well. I have tried benfotiamine but it made my dizzy spells even worse. Eating very, very dry and bland meals has really alleviated the acid reflux. My typical day involves 6 small meals of chicken, vegetables and good fats like almonds or walnuts. No spices, no seasonings, all bland. Sorry, but you all listed many of the supplements I knew for healing nerves and I am of little help. I guess I will try to look into getting Alpha Lipoic Acid IVs if this could possibly help me.

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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2011, 04:51:48 PM »
When you said that you could feel nerves going up and down your spine into the base of your head....what exactly does that feel like. I feel kind of a tingling sensation on the back right of my head but along with the tingling it is also a dull pain and I have a headache only on the back right though. I just recently started some of the supplements that you mentioned including ALA in very high doses taken orally. Is this what you were talking about a tingling sensation but also a dull pain? Also it seems to help the headache if I take my hands and squeeze the back of my head together right behind the ears...   ???

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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2012, 03:48:02 PM »
@EFort - I was just wondering if the surgery had fixed your problems? I bawled while reading them as I am having all of the same issues right now. They started when I gave birth to my daughter 9 months ago and nobody seems to know what's going on. Tomorrow I'm having my doctor request a Mayo visit, but it would be helpful to know if this surgery fixed your problems.

Thank you!
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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2012, 03:00:16 AM »

I would encourage you to look into homeopathy for treating your vagus nerve.  It is fixable homeopathically but will require a good, constitutional homeopath to take the case not the run of the mill chiro or naturopath that just "uses" h-pathy for acute issues. 
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« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2012, 09:26:56 AM »
I'm experiencing bassically the same problems as "efort" I wish I could find him and ask about his progress, I do have a hiatal hernia wrap that failed after 4 years and then I started getting tons of symptoms like delayed emptying and my heart not working right, my rate increases a lot upon standing I'm at a total loss on what I should do, if anybody is out there let me know It wont let me message anybody.

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Re: Vagus Nerve -- How, Where, What, When Why
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2012, 05:08:43 PM »
Hi. I haven't been on here in a while. If anyone is still active please let me know. Would love to chat. Thanks.

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« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2012, 05:32:44 PM »
How are you doing? Better, I hope? I'm happy to say that my extreme symptoms have reduced significantly. I'm not quite sure why, though. I had a full work up at Mayo and my heart if fine, my GI is fine, nobody knows what's going on (as you unfortunately know, as well). I've lost 30 pounds since January (now at 135 lbs) and eat only healthy foods. It kind of sucks, but what can you do. I'm also on Diltiazem for my hbp and heart palps and that had to be reduced recently from 240mg per day to 180 because it was causing my bp to dip too low. I still have episodes every once in a while but I try to stay calm during them, and keep telling myself that it'll all go away once I go to the bathroom for a bm and/or vomit. I think that also helps, if I can get myself to calm down. Sometimes it's difficult. Have you heard anything about your issues? Any answers from the specialists?

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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2012, 05:51:02 PM »
Oh, and I am also taking a potassium supplement now.

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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2012, 10:17:18 AM »
I can`t message anyone either.I just registered.

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« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2013, 11:30:05 AM »
Hey efort. if you get this shoot me an email at cmccl011@odu.edu, I'm a 27 year old male with a similar background athletically, and have many of the same symptoms you do. You seem like you have a plan being from a medical background and all, I was wondering if you could discuss with me steps you have taken to improve your life.