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electromagnetic chaos?
« on: August 05, 2006, 12:39:02 PM »
I just got through reading a book on all the toxins we have in our enviroment and the author was talking about electromagnetic chaos coming from our cell phones, computers, tv, etc. He says that they do cause cancer and go into our body as a toxin. I was wondering what everyone thought about it. They sale neutralizers but before I put my money down I wanted to know if anyone had some pros or cons on this subject.  :)
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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 07:11:58 PM »
I think there may be some merit to this theory. I had a loved one that worked with a certain type of electronics. Not long after he began to use a cel phone, he developed a brain tumor and died within 18 months. I cannot prove that there was a direct correlation, but the tumor was near the ear he used to talk on his phone.

In reality cancer and other degenerative diseases are most likely caused by a concert of biological problems that are triggered by something in the diet and/or environment. I cannot rule out the reality that God has His own purposes in the situation.

The question I would ask myself is: "Is it more likely that someone invented a way to neutralize these fields, or is it more likely that someone wants to relieve me of my money by convincing me they've found the 'cure'?"
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 09:45:59 PM »
It couldn't hurt to get rid of the cell phone though.  They cause traffic accidents, they promote rude behavior and they are a terrible invasion of privacy.  I don't want one - does that mean I'm safe or is my PC going to come after me ???  ;D
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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2006, 05:05:14 AM »
Thank yall for your input. I was mainly worried about dh because he has to carry a cell phone for work and he sits all day in front of a computer. The main thing is you would never really knew if it worked. They say it will make you feel better but I am just feeling overwhelmed with all this info! I feel like I am poisoning my children when I feed them or give them a bath. We just can't afford to go all organic and natural! Sorry, just venting.  :'(
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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2006, 05:14:03 AM »
Mary, I know how you feel.  It can get overwhelming, but the thing to remember is that you can only do what you are able to do so.....

Do your best, and trust God with the rest.  Afterall, he can circumvent all diseases, and is the one in control of our lives.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2006, 08:48:34 AM »
Thank yall for your input. I was mainly worried about dh because he has to carry a cell phone for work and he sits all day in front of a computer. The main thing is you would never really knew if it worked. They say it will make you feel better but I am just feeling overwhelmed with all this info! I feel like I am poisoning my children when I feed them or give them a bath. We just can't afford to go all organic and natural! Sorry, just venting.  :'(

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There's one more thread, but I can't find.  I'm stumped.  Help me out ???  It's the thread on being thankful for what hubby can provide and not becoming obsessed with organic foods and such.  Anyone remember who wrote this or where it's located ???

Pennie found it.  ;)

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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2006, 08:59:30 AM »
how about how you can get sicker eating heatlhy foods? That was a good one.  I don't know how to make it a link though.  under chat and whatever

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2006, 10:43:35 AM »
how about how you can get sicker eating heatlhy foods? That was a good one.  I don't know how to make it a link though.  under chat and whatever

That's exactly the one I was looking for.  Thanks Pennie.  You're making me look good.  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2006, 11:15:13 AM »
Well, then it was worth getting up this morning!!  ;D  That one was just easier for me to remember b/c it was just a really good post.  :)

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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2006, 04:54:33 AM »
 :) Thank you all for recommending that thread. I had not read it and it spoke directly to my heart.  My husband and I have been arguing more about money and groceries than ever before. He says he understands the need but we can't bankrupt ourselves! ::) I am going to start listening to hubby. Thanks for the bonk on the head. ;D

P.S. I hope I don't go overboard with the faces. I just learned how to use them! :D
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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 03:52:27 AM »
Didn't know where to post this, but I found this somewhat-related topic, and thought it might fit here:

I found this on Mercola.com this morning -

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/1/15/how-cell-phones-are-killing-birds.aspx

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Migratory birds are known to use the geomagnetic field as a source of compass information. Scientists have shown that oscillating magnetic fields disrupt the orientation behavior of migratory birds.

Researchers found that robins were disoriented when exposed to a vertically aligned, broadband or a single-frequency field.

According to Alasdair Philips of Powerwatch,

"... medium- and short-wave frequencies have been used since the 1930s with little evidence of any effect on bird behavior. But since the mobile phone networks went up there have been increasing reports of birds, especially homing pigeons, getting lost. Research now needs to look at the effects of base station signals, particularly in view of the disorientating effects of EMR 'noise' reported in this study."

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Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine January 2007; 26(1): 63-72
Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine April 2007; 26(2): 141-151



 Dr. Mercola's Comments: 
We know that migratory birds use the earth’s geomagnetic field as a source of compass information, but there are two competing hypotheses for what the primary process within the birds are. One involves magnetite, the other an internal chemical reaction that is sensitive to magnetic resonance. Then again, perhaps it’s a complex interaction of both.

Researchers have now found that robins get disoriented when they’re exposed to a vertically aligned broadband of 0.1 to 10 MHz, or a single frequency of 7 MHz broadcast at a 24- or 48-degree angle to the natural geomagnetic field.

Your body is also dependent on appropriate chemical reactions, many of which are guided by electrical frequencies in your brain, some of which happen to oscillate at the same frequency as that of cell phones and wireless networks.

Why is Harm From Radio Waves a Growing Concern?

Information-carrying radio waves have increased dramatically and exponentially over the last few years. Just think: it took 20 years for the first 1 billion cell phones to be sold -- a milestone reached in 2004. The next billion took just 18 months. The third billion was sold even faster -- just nine months, and we will reach the fourth billion by the end of this year.

Add to that all the wireless networks that are popping up everywhere, exposing you to massive amounts of radio waves whether you actually use wireless or not.  Most major office buildings have them, including Starbuck’s, Panera Bread, and most libraries.

We are in a geometric explosion of cell phone use, which causes the following physical problems:

Damaging your cell membranes


Decreasing intracellular communication by disrupting microtubular connections that allow biophotons to communicate between cells


Increasing deposits of heavy metals into your cells, which increases intracelluar production of free radicals, and can radically decrease cellular production of energy, thus making you incredibly fatigued
Once your body’s communication system is damaged, it is very easy to develop all sorts of pathologies related to disrupted intracellular antioxidant systems and heavy metal toxicities.

Recent studies have also found that cell phone users are 240 percent more prone to brain tumors, and a study back in 2004 found that your risk of acoustic neuroma (a tumor on your auditory nerve) was nearly four times greater on the side of your head where your phone was most frequently held. Listen, there is VERY solid evidence that the number of brain tumors will increase to 500,000 per YEAR in 2010 -- and will double to 1 million every year by 2015 if the causes are not addressed.

Folks, this is the real deal and represents an impending health care crisis.



The Truth Echoes in the Silence

Last year I was really excited when the Today Show contacted me, asking for an interview about one particular study on the dangers of cellular phones, as I thought they were finally starting to accept the truth.

Needless to say, I was wrong.

They only aired four seconds of my 20-minute interview, censoring the supporting evidence. No doubt, you are being deceived now, the same way the public was deceived for decades about tobacco. Back then, large corporate interests were very effective at manipulating the media and legislation to perpetuate the myth that smoking was safe, and nothing has changed in that regard. The United States protects corporate interests above public health more than ever.

We really need to learn from history, and my belief is that this exponential increase in information-carrying radio waves is far more serious a threat than tobacco ever was.

Your first mistake would be to be fooled by the mainstream media silence.

Remember, the media outlets in the United States are owned by a minuscule SIX corporations. Today, your mind is controlled by Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany, Viacom (formerly CBS) and General Electric's NBC.  These are the top owners of the entire media industry, which includes everything you read and hear in newspapers, magazines, TV and radio stations, books, records, movies, videos, wire services and photo agencies.

Can you believe what they say?

Not a chance. Because the telecommunication industry, which is even BIGGER than the drug cartel, Big Pharma, have far more influence than the drug companies – and you already know what heavy-weights they are when it comes to spreading misinformation.

Why You Should Listen to the Boy Who Cries Wolf

One of the world’s undisputed experts in cell phone safety is Dr. George Carlo – he’s the lone ranger shouting against the wind, telling the world the truth no one wants to hear.

I had the privilege of spending two full days with Dr. Carlo last October, 2007. I was so compelled with the information I heard that my next book,  slated for release in 2009, will detail the reasons why I believe using cell phones is far more dangerous than smoking cigarettes ever was.

In the 1990’s Dr. Carlo was given a $28-million grant from the cell phone industry to put an end to the talk that cell phones were hazardous to your health. Unfortunately, what he found was not what he’d been paid to find. Instead, he discovered that they DO, in fact, cause damage.

The cell phone industry offered him a position for $1 million a year to silence him, but he refused, and started a non-profit institute called The Safe Wireless Initiative to inform the world of this danger instead. I highly recommend you check out his site as he has compiled excellent resources on interventions you can use to maximize your health and minimize your EMR risks.

How Can You Protect Yourself From the Invisible Danger of EMR?

Some individuals believe that relatively expensive fixes like nano polymers (like those used by BioPro) can help, but my initial investigation strongly suggests that this technology protection is only minimally effective, and dissipates rapidly.

Of course, the only real solution is to move our culture away from wireless back to more wired. As for myself, I completely renovated my new home prior to moving in, and part of the project was to put in wired CAT-5 cables so I have no wireless connections at all.

I also learned that most portable phones are a major source of these information carrying radio waves. The only exception would be the much older, essentially antiquated 900 MHz portable phones. Fortunately they are still readily available online.

One of the major differences is that they are only on when in use. The other higher MHz phones are on continuously, bombarding your cells with tissue damaging radiation even when you’re not using them.   

If you do choose to use a cell phone, use the speakerphone function whenever possible -- and keep the phone about two feet away from any body part. Do not keep the phone on your belt or in your pocket even when you’re not using it, as the radiation WILL penetrate your body wherever the phone is attached. Instead, stow it away in a purse, backpack, or your car’s glove compartment.

For times when a speakerphone isn’t practical, you can use a NON-Blue Tooth headset.

While Blue Tooth is certainly safer than no headset at all, it is still broadcasting its own information-carrying radio waves into your brain, just at a lower intensity than a cell phone. And there quite simply is no safe biological threshold for either of them.

I strongly believe that sooner or later, the real dangers of cell phones will be fully understood. Unfortunately, this has all the makings of a tobacco-sized tragedy -- at one time everyone turned a blind eye and refused to believe smoking was dangerous, and we all know how that story ended.
 

I was just wondering what ya'll thought about this?  Is all of this EMR/radiowave/cell phone stuff really cause for concern?  Has anyone personally experienced some sort of health problem that was directly caused by an electronic/wireless device and once you got rid of the device, your health problem improved or disappreared?
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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 06:21:09 AM »
I read the above article. What to make of it? It does feel overwhelming. I have felt like I do not want to do all my talking on the cell phone. My college daughter only uses a cell. I wonder if we will see some more problems with this generation who have almost exclusively used cells. I already hear about lots of brain tumors, etc.

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 10:24:50 AM »
I don't know what I personally think, but some mom's on my autism web group read a new theory that autism was caused or increased by too much EMR.  There's some sort of very expensive blocker that can clear the house of it, and it supposedly is doing some good.  I'm not sure if this was coming from, actual mother's of autistic children, or an advertiser, but it is something to think about.  Hmm....

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 05:44:47 PM »
I don't know what I personally think, but some mom's on my autism web group read a new theory that autism was caused or increased by too much EMR.  There's some sort of very expensive blocker that can clear the house of it, and it supposedly is doing some good.  I'm not sure if this was coming from, actual mother's of autistic children, or an advertiser, but it is something to think about.  Hmm....
Do you suppose that might have something to do with the heavy metals in their bodies playing antennae or receptors to the waves?
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 07:57:47 PM »
Good question, I guess it's possible.  It's  just another thing in our environment that seems to affect autistic kids more than the rest of us.  It's probably affecting us as well, just not to the same degree. 

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Re: electromagnetic chaos?
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 10:46:33 AM »
I hope this is the right place to post this, but I have a question b/c of our new baby coming this December.  Because my DH is a light sleeper, I start out with the baby in another room . . . my first two in their own rooms (one boy, one girl).  Now, depending on what this one is, he or she will share w/ the older sibling of the same gender after we get past the "sleeping through the night" thing.  Well, I was going to put the baby in our office/study, but that is where the computer is.  This would only be at night . . . during the day, the baby will probably do naps in my bedroom. 

Anyway . . . b/c of the computer being in there, is it okay to just turn it off each night before the baby goes to bed or will their be "leftover residue" in the room from the computer?  I certainly don't want to put my child at risk, but I'm just not sure.  It's a good size room, so it's not like the cradle would be right next to it or anything.  There are no other electronic things in the room, just a hard-line phone.

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 12:05:13 PM »
I would turn the computer off (unplugged), and as far as I've researched, that should be fine.  I've been reading up on all of this EMF/EMR stuff on Mercola and an EMF/EMR yahoo group and I don't think it's worth the risk.  Dh and I have our "office" in our bedroom because there's nowhere else to put it.  We turn our  computer off (comepletely -- unplugged) every night.  We have never had a cell phone, but because cordless transmits while plugged in, we decided to get the old style corded phone...just got one at Goodwill.  Nothing in our home is wireless as this transmits all the time.  I don't know if I'm a freak, but dh and I both felt this was a good direction.  ;D 
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2008, 03:20:46 PM »
I received this in an e-mail, and was wondering if anyone here has tried this or knows that it really can be done?

http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 02:21:01 AM »
I received this in an e-mail, and was wondering if anyone here has tried this or knows that it really can be done?

http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html
I'm having trouble watching videos this morning, might have to reboot; however, I found several videos just like this on on youtube.com if that helps.  I found one that says "debunked" also.  Something worth looking into. 

Here's at least one other one I found.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 03:50:45 AM »
http://www.snopes.com/science/cookegg.asp

It's a hoax...actually, a bunch of versions of the same hoax. ;)  I think I'll stick to my usual method of popping corn. :)
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 12:14:47 PM »
Thanks ladies!!  I was hoping I wasn't "popping" my brain everytime I used the cell phone.  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2009, 03:29:22 PM »
PLEASE HELP
Can anything be done for elecomagnetic sensitivity?  The phone (cell and landline) the computer the power lines the towers all hurt my head.  The top of my head actually heats up.  This all got worse after I had a MRI. 


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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2009, 06:38:36 PM »
PLEASE HELP
Can anything be done for elecomagnetic sensitivity?  The phone (cell and landline) the computer the power lines the towers all hurt my head.  The top of my head actually heats up.  This all got worse after I had a MRI. 


Hi PM,

My geeky (his words!) husband said this is going to sound weird but hear "him" out.   ;D

An MRI is magnetic resonance imaging.  It works off of magnetics aimed at specific parts of the body.  The body is diamagnetic - meaning it does not/cannot hold a magnetic charge.  That being the case, he believes this is temporary.  He thinks the magnetics may have caused a disturbance in the body's natural flow of energy (think positive/negative ions).  He recommends that you use something called wire mesh fabric (think tin foil hat   ;D).  Cover it with fabric and place it inside a baseball cap or some type of hat you like.  You could wear it and nobody would know.  The wire acts as a shield from the magnetic chaos around.  Much like electronics are shielded to protect them from damage.  He's thinking (he does not know for sure) that the sensitivity should go away about a month after you had the MRI.  Think of it like your brain having gotten a burn and it has to heal.   My husband has wire mesh fabric and offered to send it to you for free if you like.  You can PM me and let me know. 

Along the lines of a brain burn that needs to heal you should consider some health things that will encourage brain regeneration.  I'm wondering if hydrogen peroxide drops wouldn't be a good idea?  Oxygenating the body very well for the nerves/tissue/myelin sheath to heal.  You'd have to use food grade and dilute it 1oz. H2O2 to 11 oz. of purified water (not tap water).  I believe it's one drop of the diluted solution in 6oz. of water.  Adding a drop daily.  Or if there's other things you can think of for brain strength.   I'd think something like cod liver oil would be good.  The brain requires good oils.  So things like that.

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2009, 07:08:00 AM »
I have been doing some research into this topic and trying to decide how best to address the problem.  I definitely think it is a problem.  There is so much more to our bodies, connection to the earth, energy fields, etc. that I just don't entirely understand.  But I do believe it is there and part of God's creation.  And all of this wireless stuff floating around is not good.  I think we are all in danger even if we don't use a cell phone or other wireless devices.  It is all around us and only getting worse.

Some things that I  have found, but I haven't tried any of them- a lot of them are not cheap- are as follows:

Grounding- walking barefoot on the ground helps to channel the negative energy out of the body.  There are also devices like pads and sheets to ground you while in your house.

Orgonite- This is based on the work of a Wilhelm Reich and is supposed to help change the energy flow from negative to positive.  You can make it yourself for relatively cheap. 

Pendents- these are supposed to change the energy and protect your body.  Like this- http://emfpendant.com/index.html or http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1562.  There are many variations of this idea out there

Earthcalm Home protector- This plugs into you outlet and is supposed to  protect your entire home and those it it by creating some kind of protective field using your homes electrical system.  http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=743&products_id=5195

There are also things you can attach to a cell phone to protect yourself.

Please know that I am not recommending or endorsing any of these things.  These are all just things I have come across while researching.  You are welcome to look into them and decide for yourself.  I haven't decided which way to go yet. 

That said, I plan to do something.  I believe the danger is real and want to protect my family.  I will share more when I figure out what I am going to do and would welcome any feedback from others.

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2010, 03:23:22 PM »
My sister had an MRI today.  She said that they injected a liquid metal into her.  Immediately, she began to feel nauseous.  The nurse said it would go away, and that she sould pass the metal through her urine by the next day.  Is this true?  Does she need to do a metal cleanse to rid herself of these toxins?

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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2010, 05:44:24 PM »
My sister had an MRI today.  She said that they injected a liquid metal into her.  Immediately, she began to feel nauseous.  The nurse said it would go away, and that she sould pass the metal through her urine by the next day.  Is this true?  Does she need to do a metal cleanse to rid herself of these toxins?

I'd be doing some charcoal or clay to bind to it and get it out quick! 
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2010, 07:43:25 AM »
My sister had an MRI today.  She said that they injected a liquid metal into her.  Immediately, she began to feel nauseous.  The nurse said it would go away, and that she sould pass the metal through her urine by the next day.  Is this true?  Does she need to do a metal cleanse to rid herself of these toxins?

I'd be doing some charcoal or clay to bind to it and get it out quick!  
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