Author Topic: Lyme Disease: Causes, Testing, Diagnosis & Treatments (Read 102713 times)

Charis · « **on:** April 12, 2006, 03:27:59 PM »

I just got a tick out of my neighbors stomach. It was embedded, but it was swelled up. I removed it with tweezers. I told her she needed to have the Lyme disease test done, but is there any kind of natural remedy or poultice to draw any poison out?

ForeverGirl · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2006, 05:20:23 PM »

Black charcoal poultice draws poisons. So does a bentonite clay poultice, and a Plantain poultice. Plantain is a weed that grows in most people's yards in the eastern states.

She sould watch for any achy joints, fevers or swellings, and if they occur, to seek treatment immediately. My Dad had Lyme disease and caught it early, and was successfully treated.

Taking high doses of immune booster herbs would probably also help; elderberry, echinacea, garlic...

Charis · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2006, 02:07:38 AM »

How should she make a charcoal poultice? Also ,just to throw this out there, we keep a can of skoal menthal chewing tobacco handy. It will draw the poison out also and completely eliminate the pain of a wasp bite! I guess it gives the nerves a buzz like it does the person chewing it.

Gabe Rising · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2006, 08:06:53 PM »

Also make sure she goes to a Lyme's specialist... a regular doc will soooo often give an incomplete treatment for Lyme's because it is A) a political disease which means there are widely differing ideas on how to properly treat it and what it even is and B) most doc's just treat it as a single infection when many times it is several infections working together...

Also, treat Lyme's early and "hard." Make sure you knock it out as soon as you see symptoms.

--gabe

lotsaboys · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:58:47 AM »

I would love to do my own research on Lyme Disease, but don't have the time, so I am wondering if you could give me a quick list on main symptoms to watch for and/or any links to informative sites.
TIA! ~B

healthybratt · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2006, 12:23:46 PM »

Quote from: lotsaboys on April 27, 2006, 11:58:47 AM

I would love to do my own research on Lyme Disease, but don't have the time, so I am wondering if you could give me a quick list on main symptoms to watch for and/or any links to informative sites.
TIA! ~B

LYME DISEASE: A PATIENT'S GUIDE
American Lyme Disease Foundation
Infections: Lyme Disease
Fewer Antibiotics Needed for Lyme Disease
Lyme Disease: The Unknown Epidemic
Garlic Keeps the Ticks Away
Lyme Disease Cases Up 70% in the 1990s

faith · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2006, 11:07:07 AM »

hey there ! Can you tell me how your dad was treated (that he was successfully treated is great) and did he use antibiotics or did you ever hear of taking herbs to fight it.It is my three year old that has a strange rash on his belly and its also not the typical bulls eye rash that gets bigger and bigger. ALso if we treat him herbally do you think it would be better than antibiotics? I did use anti. with all the other kiddos but I would rather not this time!!!! Hey by the way Congrats on having your new one!

JULIE Kaufman · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2006, 01:23:34 PM »

I was recently diagnosed with Lymes Disease, and although I am still having numbness(one of the many symptoms) I am so grateful to say that I have received help for the terrible fatigue I was experiencing. My fatigue was incredible. I am a pastor's wife, and homeschooling mom of four, so yes, I have normal reasons to be tired! But I would get so tired and weak at times, I had to lay flat out on the couch! We were thankful to find a doctor who is treating my Lymes with natural remedies and also antibiotic/antifungal treatments. However, the fatigue persisted. My husband I were praying one night about what treatment to pursue, and the very next morning God brought us in contact with a man in touch with a company that offers natural products. It came through a person we have a lot of condifence in and my husband decided we should give it a try. (My husband is also very slow to act, stable and not gullible in the least!) The main product they sell contains glyconutrients and comes in a powder form which is easily manageable taken with juice. This product is said to help build up in our cells what they are lacking because of insufficient nutrients in our food consumption. It takes from 4-6 weeks to see results. About the fifth week of taking this product, I began seeing changes. And now after two months, I am just amazed at the difference in my fatigue. I am sooo much better!! I want to give God praise for bringing me in touch with this product! Now for the disclaimer-it is a multi-level marketing company. I know-I have my issues with that as well. But the company has found it sells much better by word of mouth than by selling it in stores. It really has worked for me and if you are interested you can email me at labankaufman@netlink.net I will give you websites to look up so you can study the products for yourselves as well as a # to call for medical questions or questions about the products. If you are interested in signing up with the company to buy the product(s), I will also give you my associate #. God's Blessings to you, Julie Kaufman

lotsaboys · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2006, 09:17:39 AM »

I'm gonna try to explain this without getting too long and boring....Â

After many years of poor health and traveling to all kinds of specialists and nutritionists, my 27yr. old, single brother-in-law has been diagnosed with Lyme Disease by a Lyme Disease Specialist. Obviously since he's had this for years, he now has every other problem in the book- Leaky gut and everything that goes with it. This Dr. has him on antibiotics and a special diet with the promise of good health- finally! Through all this my hubby and I have been doing as much research and reading as we can to help him. Of course much of our learning has been through this forum along with Sally Fallon (Nourishing Traditions), Jordan Rubin (Maker's diet), Dr. Mercola, Donna Gates (Body Ecology), etc. (I mention that to give an idea of the info we've been using to help him.) He's been at our house this week and we are giving him lots of kefir, kombucha, organic meat, our homemade sauerkraut, and good stuff like that.Â Â

He has also started taking Yeast Assassin, Tummy Tune-up, and Odorless Garlic to replace the Nystatin he was taking. It seems to be working fine!!!Â

When he's at home (400 mi. from us) he lives alone but there is a wonderful family close that cooks for him so he can stick to his diet as much as possible. But when he is out on the job, etc. he often cannot eat as he should.

My questions are: As long as he is taking these powerful antibiotics (Doxycycline, Ceftin, Zithromax, and Flagyl right now) can his immune system get built up very quickly and can we conquer the yeast as effectively?

Can he possibly regain his health if he would go off antibiotics and follow the Maker's Diet? Since he is following the Lyme Dr's. protocol, how much can we veer from that and still expect results?

Basically has anyone ever known of someone who recovered from an advanced case of Lyme Disease without antibiotics?? Is this a time and place for antibiotics and all we can do is work at detoxifying and having him take probiotics and kefir?

Maybe there are no good answers for these questions, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!

P.S. In reading his Dr.'s literature, it seems he is very balanced and has a good understanding of how important diet is. Almost a natural, nutritionist's point of view.
o dear

does that make sense?

visionarymom · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2006, 10:03:25 AM »

I recently read about the author of the book, Practical Herbalism, Phil Fritchey, who was diagnosed with Lyme disease a several years ago. After trying all kinds of herbs to no avail, somehow he discovered a very unknown herb to the western world, called Teasel. Long story short, he said it is truly amazing. He feels so much better now. I don't have the article in front of me, but I believe he said he took a tincture of teasel everyday, and within a very short period, did not even feel like he had Lyme disease. He said he even missed a few days taking the tincture with no ill effects!

He gets his Teasel from South Carolina, I believe, in a state forest. They consider it a rank weed, and told him to pull as much as he could! He said he sells his surplus, and there are a few other places one could attain it. But you may have to search for a while. I'll try to find that article and see if there is an email or something.

Sorry I don't know about your other questions, but it sounds like Teasel would be of great help.

VM

healthybratt · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2006, 10:04:30 AM »

Have you considered contacting Dr Rubin directly? Honestly, I don't think the antibiotics are going to help his digestion, but I'm no doctor and know nothing about Lyme disease. He may be unreachable, but it might be worth a shot.

visionarymom · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:11:00 PM »

Ok, I found the article in Healthkeepers Magazine in the "Ask an Herbalist" section. Couldn't locate the specific article on-line, but they have a website. The recommended dosage is 1-5 drops 3 times daily for the Teasel, so 1 oz lasts a while. I easily found it on ebay, prepared by Dr. Fritchey himself, for $14 per 1 oz bottle.

The article states, "At the risk of melodrama, I can only say that, so far at least, the result has been nothing short of miraculous. Within 3 days of starting with the very small dosage recommended by Wood (1-5 drops, 3 times daily), the fog lifted, the fatigue melted away, and though it took longer, the joint and muscle pain subsided, and has continued to improve since. I feel like my life has been given back to me. The only negative experience with the treatment came through an enthusiastically reasoned, but ill-advised short experiment with higher doses. That quickly produced a massive intensification of symptoms--called the "Herxheimer effect" by Lyme sufferers--that just as quickly went away when the dose was reduced again."

The full article was really interesting, if you can find it. It's in volume 8 issue 2, which I think is the most recent issue.

Dr. Fritchey said he was on major antibiotics for 4 months, but they helped little. So I sure hope you can get some teasel for your BIL!

lotsaboys · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:28:12 PM »

Quote from: healthybratt on July 14, 2006, 10:04:30 AM

Have you considered contacting Dr Rubin directly?Â

Yes, we seriously have. Not sure either if he is reachable... Thanks!

jasmine · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2006, 02:31:08 AM »

help! can you tell me how you bought teasel? I searched ebay and searched Dr. Fitchey And you said you found it easily on ebay my husband may have it , almost sure and Ive been searching all morning!

jasmine · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2006, 02:35:51 AM »

Quote from: jasmine on July 18, 2006, 02:31:08 AM

help! can you tell me how you bought teasel? I searched ebay and searched Dr. Fitchey And you said you found it easily on ebay my husband may have it , almost sure and Ive been searching all morning!

Sorry I found it !!!!!!!! on ebay!14.00 a bottle. thank you so very much!

visionarymom · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:27:24 AM »

Sorry I didn't respond sooner! I can only get on-line once or twice a day. So glad you found it! For the sake of anyone else looking for it, I believe I just googled Teasel Dr. Fritchey. Not positive because I tried a couple different ways. It might have been under "Teasel Lyme Disease". Anyway, sure hope you see improvement!
VM

lotsaboys · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:33:23 AM »

OK, I finally have a minute to thank those of you who responded! We are still reading and researching as we have time, but life is really busy right now for him and us, so thanks again for all the info shared!

healthybratt · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:15:31 AM »

Interesting article.

http://www.autoimmunityresearch.org/lyme-disease/

healthybratt · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2006, 08:25:11 PM »

Electro Medicine and Lyme Disease

emb2x2 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2006, 01:52:08 PM »

My 9 yo son was bitten by a tick. I'm not sure how long it was on there, but three days after we removed it, there was a red/black/blue area in the direction in which we pulled it off. This faded and went away in 3 days. He has no other symptoms, but I have a friend with chronic lyme and I am very worried. I dont' know if I should start antibiotics. I had heard that a true lyme skin reaction will last up to 2 weeks if untreated. That causes me to think this was not lyme, but I am not sure if my info is accurate. I know the skin reactions related to lyme are sometimes tricky or non-existent. Of course, my pediatrition just dismissed it saying, well, it's not infected, so we don't need to do anything. Does anyone have any info on this and esp. on how long the skin reaction usually lasts if it is truly lyme?

Thank you so much!!

healthybratt · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:54:14 PM »

Do you know what kind of tick it was?

emb2x2 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2006, 01:53:27 AM »

No, but it has a white spot on the back and it was adult size, but not bloated.

DawnsEarlyBirds · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2006, 02:20:28 AM »

Quote from: Gabriel Anast on April 18, 2006, 08:06:53 PM

Also make sure she goes to a Lyme's specialist... a regular doc will soooo often give an incomplete treatment for Lyme's because it is A) a political disease which means there are widely differing ideas on how to properly treat it and what it even is and B) most doc's just treat it as a single infection when many times it is several infections working together...

Also, treat Lyme's early and "hard." Make sure you knock it out as soon as you see symptoms.

--gabe

This is extremely important. We have several friends now who were almost bedridden from Lyme's disease before they found a dr. who would treat them for it. Their regular md would insist that they did not have it and would not treat them for it, dispite having no other diagnosis for them. Most of them were over 2 years in finding a dr. who would treat them for Lyme's, and then it was up to 2 YEARS of straight antibiotics to put them back on their feet. My daugher-in-laws father is having a lot of Lyme's symptoms right now, and his test continues to come back negative. They will not try treating him for Lyme's because of it, but he continues to suffer from his Lyme-like symptoms because they have no other answer for him. It is one situation where I believe you try it and see if it works. This is a nasty disease that has treatment if they would just use it.

healthybratt · « **Reply #23 on:** August 01, 2006, 05:50:26 AM »

Anyone know why doctors don't want to treat this? Never had this experience myself, but this sounds pretty ridiculous, especially if the tick and the symtoms are there.

visionarymom · « **Reply #24 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:31:06 AM »

I mentioned this on another thread, but for those who have had LD for a while, check out the herb called teasel. I know there's been a tincture available on E-bay, made by an herbalist who himself was diagnosed with LD...after a long while. Anyway, he says the stuff is truly amazing, and it's not too expensive.

VM

o2bhealthy · « **Reply #25 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:19:58 AM »

Vonner.com is an excellent resource for treating lyme's disease and just good info on treating root causes for all those symptoms out there.

ForeverGirl · « **Reply #26 on:** August 01, 2006, 10:14:48 AM »

Quote from: faith on May 14, 2006, 11:07:07 AM

hey there !Â Can you tell me how your dad was treated (that he was successfully treated is great) and did he use antibiotics or did you ever hear of taking herbs to fight it.It is my three year old that has a strange rash on his belly and its also not the typical bulls eye rash that gets bigger and bigger. ALso if we treat him herbally do you think it would be better than antibiotics? I did use anti. with all the other kiddos but I would rather not this time!!!! Hey by the way Congrats on having your new one!

Sorry I missed this!
Yes, my dad did the antibiotics, and within a couple weeks of being infected. We had just visited with a man who battled with LD for 7 years, and almost died, before finding a LD doctor to treat him correctly. Dad immediately went to an LD doctor who gave him one round of the appropriate antibiotics and he was fine soon afterward. The sooner it's treated, the better the results, I believe.

Teasel sounds like a good natural option, but I'd also say to try it under the supervision of an LD doctor that might be open to trying natural remedies so that he can continually check the blood and say whether or not the herb is successful. LD is something you want to take very seriously - especially in a child.

If anyone here does have positive results with Teasel, please share the experience with us all!

Rebekah

DawnsEarlyBirds · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:34:38 AM »

Quote from: healthybratt on August 01, 2006, 05:50:26 AM

Anyone know why doctors don't want to treat this? Never had this experience myself, but this sounds pretty ridiculous, especially if the tick and the symtoms are there.

You might not necessarily have seen the tick, and not everyone gets the classic bullseye around the bite. Plus if it is on a part of you you can't see and your spouse may not have noticed, then you wouldn't have that "evidence" to help with the diagnosis.

mexmarr · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2006, 07:21:45 AM »

The daughter of a a family has been diagnosed with Lyme Disease. Apparently she has had it several years, but it was undiagnosed. She is doing pretty bad. I don't know much about it, but they said that she will be getting antibiotic injections every day for a long time, like several years.

Does anybody know of natural things that will help speed up the healing process? Thanks

emiowa · « **Reply #29 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:22:04 AM »

I definately reccomend testing ASAP. My mother got Lyme's about a year and a half ago, but no one would treat her, and a specialist took a very long time to get an appointment with. She has since contracted gastroperesis (parylization of the stomach) as a side affect, and can no longer eat. Now that she's been able to get antibiotics, the disease is so firmly rooted that taking them makes her even sicker, and she may not ever recover.
Lymes is not something to dismiss, even though (we've found) so many doctors do.

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Author Topic: Lyme Disease: Causes, Testing, Diagnosis & Treatments (Read 102713 times)