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hi healthybratt
thanks for everything you've mentioned.

Natural cure is a possibility. I am not denying that, but dentistry and medicine is real, we can't reject their usefulness.

Feeling the plaque? In addition to what you've said, I also see a lot of people saying that ''feeling the plaque''. How can we ''feel'' the plaque?? I really don't ''feel'' any plaque even I could see a lot of plaque accumulate before my last routine cleaning.

waterpik, I know about it  but what is the advantages of it ? It looks like only water

I've obviously used medical professionals.  I have fillings and my daughter has braces, but I personally haven't seen a dentist for any kind of treatment in 10 years.  Went in to have my teeth looked at because I was having pain.  Turns out, I had trigeminial neuralgia which caused pain in my jaw but was unrelated to my teeth.  I got a clean bill of health from the dentist.  My husband was a late comer.  He thought I was crazy when I gave up regular oral hygeine (fluoride, etc) and dentist visits and yet his teeth decayed and mine did not.  He has some other eating habits that I gave up and he continued to use fluoride.  A couple of infections and missing teeth later, he has finally decided, maybe I'm not so nuts after all.

As to the waterpik, I was pretty sure it was all just useless too, but the program that my daughter participates in for her braces requires that I do certain things to ensure she doesn't lose her grant, so I went and bought the waterpik.  I don't know how or why it works, but it does.  Rinsing along the edges of the gums, reduced redness and inflammation and her gums stopped bleeding when she brushes. 

My husband was a tough customer bringing him over to the "natural" side.  LOL But he watched as I learned and applied what I learned.  I've read 100s maybe 1000s of articles, dozens of books and spent countless hours on this forum and others discussing, reading and researching and then tried to put into practice everything I've learned as well as I can.  Neither of my youngest children has ever had a single cavity or tooth infection.  They are not regular brushers and they've only been to the dentist a couple of times. They also eat a very healthy diet. My eldest on the other hand, got regular checkups, didn't eat as well (I hadn't learned any of this yet.) and used fluoride and brushed regularly and she has all kinds of problems with her teeth.  All of the generation before me (in my family) have false teeth save one.  One gramma I had died with all of her teeth in pristine condition.  She brushed, but she NEVER used fluoride.  She was the only one. 

Read about Weston A Price.  Look at the pictures and see the research.  You might be impressed. 
Teeth & Dental / Re: is it a legend or real truth
« Last post by healthybratt on Today at 02:57:27 AM »
This guy is a dentist.  Read about him and his book if you can get it.

Teeth & Dental / is it a legend or real truth
« Last post by Kenny on Yesterday at 09:06:21 AM »
I have been using the internet since I was 12, for almost 20 years now, my experience with internet is that it 's very useful and convenient with everything you can see. Newspaper, magazine, books have already hidden from my life. However, I can also sometimes notice that there are full of over frightening or even false information on the internet. I had frequent nosebleeds. Before I visited a family doctor, I had been searching on the internet for the possibilities and I was frightened and anxious by the possibilities of cancer. I then visited a family doctor and she said I was fine it was unlikely anything serious since wound could be seen. My best friend also commented that he had gone through many sleepless night when he searched on the internet when he had signs of lung disease but his doctor said he was fine as well.

I start not to trust everything (and tend to not trust) I see on the internet if it's said by random unimportant someone.

Now I have been hearing a legend from my friend and on the internet that a lot of people don't have regular dentist checkup and cleaning but their teeth are still fine and no tooth loss.

A lot of my friend said - No no no you don't need periodontal care , my father or my grandfather is now at his 70 or 80 they have full real teeth!!! Not even a single tooth loss!!

I have a friend who is an illiterate Chinese in his late 30, he never went to have any cleaning at dentist and doesn't floss at night. I trust what he said because he is a lazy nuts, drinking and smoking, fat and lazy.... I don't believe this kind of people will care about their oral and teeth. I looked at his teeth, I am not a dentist but my first impression is ----- it was almost perfect, pink, no sign of inflammation, no gum recession (no holes seen), all teeth lined up closely and correctly.  I felt jealously immediately.

what the hell is life going to be? treatment or not?

Teeth & Dental / Re: couple of questions concerning possible periodontal disease
« Last post by Kenny on Yesterday at 08:42:45 AM »
hi healthybratt
thanks for everything you've mentioned.

Natural cure is a possibility. I am not denying that, but dentistry and medicine is real, we can't reject their usefulness.

Feeling the plaque? In addition to what you've said, I also see a lot of people saying that ''feeling the plaque''. How can we ''feel'' the plaque?? I really don't ''feel'' any plaque even I could see a lot of plaque accumulate before my last routine cleaning.

waterpik, I know about it  but what is the advantages of it ? It looks like only water
Nutritional Herbology

Also says that bilberry is used to treat periodontal disease.
Was just doing some research for another project.  Ran across this that might interest you.

Bilberry is used in the treatment of all things circulatory and/or inflammatory including gum disease.  Bilberry is a great herb and is great for increased blood flow, especially to the eyes and can also help to improve eyesight (I've actually experienced this.).

from The Green Pharmacy Herbal Handbook

The anthocyanosides in bilberry are big-time antioxidants that provide a lot of the medicinal punch.  They tend to work their magic in the capillaries, the tiny blood vessels that fill the eyes, the skin, and all other parts of the body.  By ensuring good circulation and fending off free radical damage, bilberry keeps the capillaries strong and health--deterring bruising, ensuring good circulation to connective tissues, preserving the blood supply to the eyes, and helping to ward off heart disease. The herb also shows some anti-inflammatory, antiseptic, and astringent qualities...

A twice-daily dosage of two 475-milligarm capsules that contain at least 10 milligrams of anthocyanosides; 240 to 480 milligrams of a supplement standardized for 25 percent anthocyanosides; 1/2 to 2 teaspoons of a liquid extract; or 1 to 2 tablespoons of crushed bilberry fruit in a cup of boiling water daily.
I can't respond as to a diagnosis or to the abilities of the professionals in questions, but I can tell you a few things about teeth and gums.

I was the first person in my family to eschew fluoride and regular brushing techniques and dental checkups in general.  I am the only one in my family who still has all of her teeth (with exception of my wisdom teeth).  I have two fillings from when I was younger and less careful of my diet.

I have had the deep cleaning done.  I went to the dentist and did all the pocket testing, etc and did the 3 hours with pain killers and got my teeth scraped.  Here's what I noticed.  Prior to this treatment I was using fluoride toothpaste and I did have calcified plaque on my teeth and the scraping did help my receding gums to go back to where they should be causing less exposure of my teeth.  I also noticed something else.  Right before this visit, I had decided fluoride was bad and I had stopped using it.  Since (about 9 years ago), I don't have plaque and I actually brush less than I used to.  Other things that I do differently that may have made a difference.  I consume large amounts of fat (especially Omega 3s).  I eat less (to no sugar).  I don't eat processed foods.  I don't drink soda anymore.  I don't use any products containing SLS (especially toothpaste and shampoo).  And if I decide to use toothpaste I buy only toothpaste with no aluminum, no fluoride, no SLS and no chemicals.  Glycerine is controversial but I've never had any problems with it.  I do not brush with baking soda as it's too abrasive.  Normally, I just brush with water and a brush in the shower and I rinse with an herbal mouthwash for my breath if needed.  Sometimes I purchase Periobrite (for convenience) and I do sometimes make clay toothpaste with multiple herbs that are helpful for tooth repair, gum health, etc.

As to gum redness and inflammation.  My daughter recently got braces and she was dealing with some gum redness and inflammation.  The Ortho strongly recommended a variable pressure water-pik.  I decided to take his recommendation and buy her one.  It made a difference.  My husband has also started using it with good results.  Inflammation has lessened by jetting the water down  (or up) into the gum line before or after brushing each day.  I think it was a worthwhile investment.

I think it's important not to rush into things just because the professionals say you should.  They are after all, selling you a product so they can pay their house payment.  If you think you have plaque, you could try oil pulling for awhile and see if that helps you to dissolve and remove it.  I can't personally tolerate it (done it once), but many friends of mine report great results.  Oil pulling pulls toxins, dissolves crud and even detoxifies the body (triggers the gallbladder and liver).  There is alot of information already in this forum on these techniques I've mentioned throughout.  Try the search and if you can't find them, let me know and I'll try to help.
Teeth & Dental / couple of questions concerning possible periodontal disease
« Last post by Kenny on Yesterday at 01:26:53 AM »
I have been doing research, thinking, and hesitating for what I should do, who I should trust, what treatment I should receive over the past few weeks when I was told to have gum recession and I see a few ''holes'' appearing between my teeth after receiving simple cleaning treatment for 15 min at a general dental office.

The dentist didn't mention about gingivitis or periodontitis but I was concerned and then I visited an expensive periodontist where he told me that I am a kind of early periodontitis and deep cleaning treatment, in which it will accompany with opening and closing my gum for serious deep cleaning, but he mentioned that it was definitely not a kind of surgery for tissue or bone regeneration since my case was definitely not severe or advanced.

Since the cost of treatment he quoted was super expensive (and of course he is one of the top periodontal specialist in the city), I then visited a couple of inexpensive or free general dentists for consultation but none of them said deep cleaning treatment mentioned by the periodontist is necessary for me and they said I didn't even need it even I am rich enough. Most gum inflammation can be handled in dental office.

I then look at a lot of websites and now even borrowed some textbooks about periodontal disease and everything about it. I cannot reach an idea about what I should do.

I am worried about over-treatment and I am also worried about under-treatment . Deep cleaning treatment at periodontal office will involve taking a couple more small x-ray. Although dose is small, radiation is real. General dentists confidently commented that I didn't need deep cleaning treatment but they didn't look at any x-ray or measure any pocket depths for me.
A general dentist from governmental training school (which could be trusted) said I had gum inflammation but the treatment will only be provided one year later (approx. April 2016), but he was very impatient and impolite, he didn't mention what kind of treatment I ll receive, so I don't know if it's deep cleaning treatment or cheap simple routine cleaning.

my questions

1. Is the eyes of a general dentist normally good enough to detect if I am having gingivitis or periodontitis?

2. Could simple routine cleaning done by general dentist, as well as reinforced daily oral hygiene bring the disease into control in case I am having early periodontitis, but not gingivitis ? I know gingivitis can be reversed or controlled completely by general dentist

3. General dentists just looked at my gum with naked eyes, they didn't look at any x-rays or measure any pocket depths, and then concluded that I was fine. Is it normal ? or did they overlook the disease?

4. The periodontist noted that a couple more small x-rays would be taken for me in the course of after the deep cleaning treatment and in the next five years, on average 1 to 6 months recall is necessary to keep track of the disease. However, I don't know if it would involve x-ray for each time, I know officially all doctors will tell you risk of x-rays is very low, but I am not a doctor, I am only a small potato in the world, I really DON'T feel good about taking x-rays. High treatment cost is one thing, but frequent x-ray after the treatment is the biggest obstacles to me now.

Most people I know, who are older than me for decades, have never gone to a periodontist, not even visited a general dentist regularly for many years but their teeth look fine. Many books or written text only recommends visiting general dentists regularly and that's good enough, and they will refer you to a periodontal specialist whenever necessary.

what should I do now? who should I trust? what treatment should I receive??

Special Needs & Birth Defects / staph infection
« Last post by grandma of 10 on May 14, 2015, 03:01:08 PM »
A two year old grandson has a staph infection which has been going on for several months.  DD took him last night to ER and they gave him a different antibiotic.  I know that garlic is "nature's antibiotic."  Would garlic help him?  If yes, how to administer it?  Any other suggestions?  Thank You!
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