WellTellMe

Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Liver, Gall Bladder & Pancrease => : ForeverGirl April 17, 2006, 04:49:13 PM

: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 17, 2006, 04:49:13 PM
I posted this in another forum on Curezone:

Liver Flush from Curezone.com (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp)
Colon Cleanse from Curezone.com (http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/enema/)

Ouch.

Hurrah, the fifth flush worked!

If you read my previous posts, you know I continued to have almost constant pain/attacks for 4 weeks while doing flush after flush to find relief. I passed over 3 cups of biliary sludge, but still hurt badly if I ate ANY amount of fat.

For the fifth flush I fasted for 24 hours before the oil-drinking ceremony.

I drank 1 tbs Epsom Salt in citrus juice at 10 AM, and then again at 4 PM.

At 5 PM I did a coffee/epsom salt enema set. This was 3 heaping tbs fresh ground coffee boiled in 2 quarts of water, strained and cooled, with 4 heaping tblsp of Epsom Salts added. I divided this liquid and poured half into the enema kit to make two sets of 12 minute enemas. The rest I used later for the second set of enemas.

At 6 PM I drank another 3/4 cup/1tbs Epsom Salt mixture (I also drank a pint of water in between each ES dose.)

At 8PM I drank 4th dose of 3/4 cup Epsom Salt mixture.

At 9:30 PM I did another set of coffee/Epsom Salt enemas.

At 10:15 PM I drank 1 cup of cold pressed olive oil mixed with 1 cup grapefruit juice (chugged it straight down)

Also took 4 Ornithine (natural amino acid which aids sleep)

10:20 I went to bed. Felt a little nausea until around 4 AM but slept through it.

About 10:50 PM I felt a large stone enter the common bile duct and pause. It hurt a little - not as bad as an attack. I thumped and massaged the area, and felt it move on through. A few minutes later - another one.

The next morning I drank the fifth dose of Epsom Salts. I felt very weak and achy, so I resorted to drinking a lot of water and taking Spirulina tablets. My energy levels picked up almost immediately.

I passed about 3/4 a cup of sludge all day.

4:00 PM I did a Probiotic enema to wash the rest out. More sludge. I felt like I needed to have a regular bowel movement but could not???

I was disappointed not to see any large stones.

The next morning I had oatmeal with yogurt and honey. At noon I had a bowel movement

OUCH. (not too bad, actually)

I passed two masses of stone the sizes of golf balls!

After much rinsing and prodding they fell apart into 8 or 10 large grape sizes. I tried to smash one and couldn't. I got a pair of tongs and tried to break it. It finally cracked open into two pieces. Very hard!

This is the first day I've eaten and felt my gallbladder naturally emptying!!! I was so delighted my husband asked me why I was grinning such a silly grin.

I believe the coffee/epsom salt enemas made it possible for me to get those big stones out.

Thanks, Jason for the tip.

Thanks all for the encouragement!!!

Rebekah

(Now didn't you all want to know this about me??? ;) ;) ;) ;D)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mrsroeser April 17, 2006, 04:58:43 PM
 :o WOW!!! Is all I can say!!  :o Thanks for inviting us all into your personal experience of cleansing!  :D You are just too funny... What's funnier is how fascinating I (and I'm sure many others) are finding this!!! Don't you just love to know your body so well instead of remaing ignorant about what goes in and out-- assuming it will all be okay??  Anyway... I look forward to doing a cleanse one day in the future between nursing and having babies.. haha. I haven't done one in years!  I'm glad you're feeling so great!!
-Sally
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 17, 2006, 05:06:01 PM
LOL,
I'm glad you don't think I'm crazy!

Now, the above flush is very extreme. From reading the curezone forums I gather that nobody has done a flush this extreme before.
The traditional liver flush is much easier/milder and requires no enemas, and half as much epsom salt intake. It also requires half as much oil.

I did this extreme flush because I had done 4 previous flushes and failed to pass the enormous stones that were hurting me so badly. It worked, and over the month of flushes I lost over 20 pounds, and feel GREAT now. I can eat anything, but don't have cravings for fatty food.

I read in the Hulda Clark book that 9 out of 10 Americans have liver or gallbladder stones.

I recommend looking at an anatomy book and you'll see what I mean. The liver is full of biliary ducts and can produces more than a quart of bile every day. All those little biliary ducts can get packed with tiny cholesterol stones, also called sludge, or chaff. It looks like grapenuts, or coarse sand.

I passed 3 1/2 cups of biliary sludge!

This cholesterol chaff can sift down into your gallbladder and get trapped there, stick together and slowly form larger and larger stones that cannot be passed without pain. UNLESS you do a cleanse, and take Epsom Salts, which opens the biliary ducts, and allows the stones to pass freely. The olive oil causes the gallbladder to contract and empty out.

My husband did one flush and got NOTHING from it, but plans to do another, just to make sure. We also read that many Americans have "fatty livers" and so their livers are too congested to pass stones right away, and it may take a few flushes to get everything flowing.

Okay, maybe I'm a little carried away - but wow, did it work for me!

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mishy April 17, 2006, 05:25:02 PM
Wow!  That is just so amazing.  You must feel as light as a feather! :)  It is amazing just how much yuck our body can tolerate and still function relatively well- and just think you were a healthy eater to begin with!  Enemas are a new thing to me- thanks for giving us more information.....   :D 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt April 17, 2006, 06:25:36 PM
Any advice for someone who already lost his gallbladder?  His digestion (or rather lack of) is too quick.  We've cleverly nicnamed this ED (you figure it out - HAHAHA).  We've put him on a steady diet of apples and carrots as these are supposed to act accordingly with your digestive needs.  They loosen or tighten as your body needs.  They help, but do not cure the problem.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: dara April 19, 2006, 02:44:26 AM
I'd love to read your curezone entry, but the link didn't...link. Got an address?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Chadycake April 19, 2006, 01:17:18 PM
I'm so impressed that you were able to work through your "stuck" stones!  I'd love to get your thoughts/advice on my LF experience:

I'm allergic to many things, which through my reading on curezone & other sites lead me to believe that my liver is congested.  So about a year ago I began doing some liver flushes.  After I think my 4th one in a several month period several red, raw spots appeared on my face.  My husbnd thought I should have them diagnosed by a doctor before I did any more flushes.  When I finally got into the doctor & told him the story he yelled at me, told me I would kill myself if I kept playing with my health like that & refused to try to diagnose the spots.  That was probably 6 months ago.  I finally made it in to a new doctor last week  (didn't tell her about the liver flushes)  and she said they are probably excema based on my history of allergies.  I asked if they might be yeast related & she said no because "it's rare for yeast infections to manifest on the face"  She suggested that I put hydrocortisone cream on them  & that seemed to cause them to fade at first but they are getting brighter again.  Anyway,do you think it might be a detox symptom that got stuck because I never continued with the cleanses?  Do you (or anyone on the board)  have any suggestions for a natural way to treat them?

Thank you for sharing your experience!  I'm so thankful to have found this forum!!
~W
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 19, 2006, 07:28:55 PM
I'd love to read your curezone entry, but the link didn't...link. Got an address?

Actually, I cut and pasted the whole thing, so you've already read it.  ;D

Anyway,do you think it might be a detox symptom that got stuck because I never continued with the cleanses?  Do you (or anyone on the board)  have any suggestions for a natural way to treat them?

Not knowing your health conditions, it would be hard to say. How is your diet? Your stress level? Your health history? Your weight? All these things would factor in.

If you eat pretty healthy, and don't have too much stress, then I would recommend using a neem cream for eczema, probiotic enemas and probiotics orally for GI clean-up of food allergies and toxins, and possibly a juice fast. Also, you should be taking a good vitamin to make sure you don't have any deficiencies. Of course, I recommend Supermom 8).

I had some eczema on my arms and it cleared up within a few days of rubbing neem oil into the spots.

Beware of the neem smell!
 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Chadycake April 21, 2006, 08:18:44 AM

Not knowing your health conditions, it would be hard to say. How is your diet? Your stress level? Your health history? Your weight? All these things would factor in.

My allergies include wheat, corn & soy which cuts out most processed foods, so I'm healthy in that area... however, that leaves me free to eat lots of meat & dairy, :D which I do. Also fruits & veggies other than corn are ok for me but I probably don't eat as much as I should.  Apparently, I'm having issues w/ anxiety lately: tightness in my chest & heart palpitations.   I've dealt with various health issues starting about 15 yrs ago: diagnosed w/ depression at 19, when that was "cured" & I still had fatigue & other syptoms.  My doc said "I don't believe in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, but if I did I'd diagnose you with it." ???  Then finally after my 2nd son was weaned, I saw an allergist.  I was allerigic to almost everything they tested for!  (scratch tests)  Looking back, I wonder if the allergies weren't my problem all along because my symptoms from the food allergies are mostly emotional:  irritability, depression, mood swings.  I don't take allergy meds because they all have corn products in them.  My weight is normal for my height.

Also, you should be taking a good vitamin to make sure you don't have any deficiencies. Of course, I recommend Supermom 8).

I don't take vitamins also because of the allergens.  It looks like Supermom has several ingredients that come from corn too.  :(  Otherwise, I'd love to try it.

I had some eczema on my arms and it cleared up within a few days of rubbing neem oil into the spots.


I'll look for some neem next time I make it to the health food store.  Thank you, Rebekah, for your thoughts!  I really appreciate you taking the time to answer.

~W
 

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 25, 2006, 05:50:51 PM
Whoops, I missed this too. WellTellMe is getting so busy!  ;D ;D

~W, it sounds like you are loaded with toxins, and a Liver Flush would definitely be something I would try if I were in your symptomatic shoes... All your symtoms sound like yeast and parasites, but if you don't eat grains, you're probably not eating yeast???

In any case, the Maker's Diet would probably help you as well.

More than anything I've learned that people don't just arbitrarily feel bad. There is always a reason - and therefore, there is always an answer. So many so-called diseases are a result of massive toxins, which come from drugs, stress, or parasites. If you can rid your body of those toxins (it may take a while) you should begin to feel better.

And this is totally unprofessional, and unscientific... but ask your husband to pray for you, and ask God to give him (your hubby) wisdom about your health. So many times God has spoken to me through my husband about very practical issues and given us direction.

Blessings!

Rebekah

There is a Maker's Diet thread on here somewhere and I can't find it.... HELP HEALTHYBRAT!!! ::) ::) ::)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt April 25, 2006, 06:01:15 PM
All your symtoms sound like yeast and parasites, but if you don't eat grains, you're probably not eating yeast???

You don't have to eat yeast to get yeast.  It's naturally occuring in the intestines, just like bacteria, but when you kill the bacteria and eat lots of sugar (of any kind), the yeast takes over.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt April 25, 2006, 06:14:42 PM
There is a Maker's Diet thread on here somewhere and I can't find it.... HELP HEALTHYBRAT!!! ::) ::) ::)

There is "now".  ;D  Click here. (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=337.msg2003#msg2003)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 05, 2006, 03:06:41 PM
Dear Beeyutiful

I am curious about your flushing that you did with the salt water and enema.  Is the entire schedule that you should follow written in your post.  Or are there more steps?  I too, have been doing coffee enemas for a few years.  I do a one week juice fast with a coffee and or garlic enema twice a year.

You are the only person, besides myself, who goes through their post enema stuff! ;D  Last year, I passed a 12 inch tapeworm   :P EWWW!!  I dug it out with tongs(threw them out of course) and put the little guy in a baggie.  I showed it to the kids(great homeschool project), and my family members.  My husband thinks I am nuts. 
 

Is this particular flush that you did for specific medical reasons?  I don't think that I have any stones in my liver, but I know that it must get overloaded, for my skin breaks out terribly bad, and I bloat up like a six month pregnant woman.  After my coffee enema, it goes down to "pre-pregnancy" size.  I have to do this enema like twice a year.  Let me know, please.  I am close to my "spring" internal "cleaning".

Thanks!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl May 05, 2006, 05:10:46 PM
Here's some more info - funny lady!  :o ;D


I'm also doing a few flushes in conjunction with the cleanse:
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/enema/

Don't let the photos gross you out. Curezone is a great site, with thousands of pages of information, but it is very hard to navigate and find what you are looking for, and there are some real strange folks that hang out on the forums.

The links give specific directions on how to do the liver flush. In my experience once you get your liver started "cleansing", by knocking loose the first stones, you may start and avalanche and have to keep flushing to get it all out. This has been the case with me.

It takes about 2-4 weeks after a flush for me to get an uncomfortable gallbladder/bloated feeling again. I do a flush, and a bunch more gravel comes out. The gravel is getting less, and I am feeling great. Now I know the difference between great and okay - before I didn't! I am loosing weight slowly and steadily, and my complection is looking great. My hair is growing really fast right now too - don't know if that is related.

Your symptoms do sound like liver and gallbladder problems, so this flush would probably make a big difference for you.

I also recently discovered that bee pollen is 15% lecithin by volume. Lecithin desolves the fats we eat, allowing them to be flushed. It has been speculated that people with gallbladder problems don't get enough lecithin and mallic acid (apple juice, lemon juice, vinegars).

I began taking pollen as a supplement this week, and along with just not being very hungry (it is a superfood) I'm hoping it will help me with getting rid of extra fats.

God bless!

Rebekah

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 05, 2006, 05:58:14 PM
Rebekah,

Thanks for the site.  I am literally never eating, again!  I have read books on parasites with pictures from the library, but never have I ever seen anything so disgusting in my life!  I am so scared to do a parasite cleanse, for fear of them coming out of my nose!!
I want to do the liver flush, but am scared, a little.  I need to figure out what ozianted sp? oil is and then I will try it. 
As for the "zapping".  Really weird.  I will ask my husband about it tomorrow morning.  Thank goodness he is an electrician and can explain it to me! 

Thanks, again!

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt May 05, 2006, 07:13:10 PM
I am so scared to do a parasite cleanse, for fear of them coming out of my nose!!

 :o

First you gross me out and then make me laugh so hard, stuff almost came out my nose.  (now I'm being gross)  ::)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl May 06, 2006, 06:36:13 AM
You're not supposed to look at the pictures! At least, I never have. Just didn't see the point in freaking myself out.

IMO, curezone takes parasite paranoia way too far. Yes, people get parasites (obviously) and need to get rid of them. The picts (according to reading, not viewing) are of people in third world countries with bad diets, that are just totally overwhelmed with parasites. I doubt any of us are even close to being in that kind of physical shape.

If I thought I had parasites, I would take Yeast Assassin for several months first. It has the herbs that kill parasites. I would also do an enema every now and then with the recommended parasite herbs. I would also get rid of indoor animals and do a very thorough carpet and furniture cleanse - like maybe burn the old ones and get new...

The zapper thing - I'm not sure about. It sounds "hokey". However, Gabe did tons of research on it, and felt like it probably does work - but probably not to the extent they claim it does.

The Yeast Assassin should kill them and take them out through your stools.

Sorry to have alarmed you!

Rebekah

 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl May 06, 2006, 12:16:02 PM
Flush #6

Just an update on the elegant subject of my gallbladder  ::)

I did another Liver Flush this weekend. I did the two-dose flush which means drinking oil the night before, and the next morning, in order to empty the gallbladder twice.

The last flush passed the big stones in my gallbladder, and I haven't had anymore attacks (MUCHO PAIN) since then.

But this week I began to feel like my gallbladder was "heavy" again (funny to feel an organ!) and so I thought maybe, since my gallbladder emptied of the big stones, there was now room for my liver to flush out the backed up sludge - and refill the gallbladder.

So I did another Liver/Gallbladder Flush. This time I lost nearly 2 cups of sandy, heavy, clay-like junk. Fasting and enemas assured me I was completely empty before the flush - so this stuff did not come from my stomach. I could hear my liver contracting and squirting too - so maybe some of it came my liver?

My gallbladder feels empty again. I wonder how many flushes it will take to totally clean my liver out? I feel so light - like a kid.

To be continued...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mrsroeser May 06, 2006, 03:25:18 PM
Okay.. okay.. I just had to check out that link for the curezone or whatever it is... and GROSS... I think i'm going to have nightmares. :o :o Wow... So tell us Beeyoutifulgirl.. have you done a parasite cleanse?? or has anyone else???  icky icky... i'm scared too. .hahaha.. Okay.. I know I'm overracting... I did find the stone pictures very fascinating, however... Those weren't scary.. hahah.  ;D  I could look at those all day..  ;D hahahah. Just keep me away from those parasites!! hahaha. I'm very interested in all of this as I am just finishing up that book mentioned at thebulkherbstore.com on Autism.... That is an amazing book!!! I've flown threw it and I don't even know anyone with autism!!!  I already stopped bringing yeast into my house... but this book opened my eyes to so much more!!  I even went as far as requesting my prenatal blood work results from two years ago so I can see if they match the findings listed in the book... I would suggest that book to anyone who is interested in any kind of developmental, emotional, or behavior disorders (including fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome)... It is such an interesting read, truly... Okay.. now that I wrote all this I guess I should have posted this as a new topic.. Can you move it for me, Healthybratt?   :D  Thanks a bunch..
-Sally
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 06, 2006, 03:56:09 PM
Beeyoutiful told me not to be scared of the pictures, but not to not look at them!  I should not have done that!  I do feel a lot better knowing that is a third world country.  But now I have such a burning compassion for missionaries like never before!  God bless them!

Did you use the ozonated oilive oil, or just the regular?  Also, this may be a stupid question, but what is the HCI?  Also, the directions say to take orthinine capsules at bedtime.  I CAN'T SWALLOW PILLS!!! ;D  I have tried and tried and tried, but it is no use.  I take a liquid multi-vitamin and it grosses me out.  Everything else I take is liquid or chewable.  I am such a baby, I know.  Go ahead, make fun of me!!  He Hee!

I will try this this weekend.  I like it because it is just a day and it is over.  I hope that I can do it.  I will let everyone know how it goes.  Thanks for listening, and laughing at me! :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: dara May 06, 2006, 04:04:28 PM
My husband spent 10 months in Haiti, and when he came back, he knew by the digestive trouble  he was having (always hungry, GI pain...), and the questionable things he had eaten, that he had parasites, so he did a cleanse, and that was that. It hadn't had a chance to get anywhere nearly so bad as the pictures (what is it with our sense of curiosity, anyway? Bek said not to look, so I had to!  ::)). Most of those cases, if not all, are in kids who were born and raised in and around dirt and manure, and have never had a truly nurishing meal in their lives. I asked him if he thought I should do a cleanse, and he looked at me surprized, knowing I have never talked about symptoms related to parasites (since tired and hungry go with pregnant and nursing  ::)), and said maybe for yeast, but he didn't think it at all likely  that I (an avid gardener, ect.) would have parasites. (Of course, I love knowing that taking Y.A. would take care of both.)  So anyway, you asked if anyone had, so yes, my hubby did.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mishy May 12, 2006, 07:18:03 PM
Rebekah,
Did your hubby ever do another liver flush to see if he could produce some stones?
Just wondering if we are always going to have chaff in our liver or if you will eventually get it all out and then not produce anything after a liver flush. 
Danna
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl May 13, 2006, 12:15:25 PM
No Gabe didn't do another flush. He has started the Water Cure, and is loosing about 1 pound a day.  :)

I did another flush this weekend - my sixth or seventh - actually I did two back-to-back, Friday and Saturday.

I am still getting some sludge and gravel like stuff. The olive oil comes out too, but is bright green instead of yellow like the cholesterol. I think I was seriously clogged and backed up.  >:(

Feeling good though!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: HappyMom May 17, 2006, 07:14:59 AM
Hi All,

I checked on the Curezone site and it mentions doing the zap & kidney cleanse before the liver flush. Is this really necessary? I can't do the kidney flush because I'm allergic to the walnuts they talk about.

Thanks in advance for any help!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: freckleswith4 May 18, 2006, 07:52:27 AM
I am new to all this techno stuff, and this is actually my first time to join a forum of any kind.  I have been reading this web site every chance I could get this week and  to say the least, I am overwhelmed but fascinated!  I do have some specific questions regarding Beeyoutifulgirl and her info on liver flushing and the Lemonade Fast- Master Plan.  I went to the store this morning and bought the Epsom salts, olive oil(does this have to be a particular kind?), grapefruit and some Spring water.  I do not yet have a water filtration system- that is another topic, right?  Anyway, I am SO ready to get started on this thing, but I do have some confusion.  On one of your replys, you wrote your regime for the flush, but it is different than Dr. Clark's.  Did I misunderstand, or did you change some things up for a reason?  Please let me know the details.  I am kind of nervous about this, but just need to have something to go by to have a better comfort level.  I also plan on following the recommended schedule you posted; Liver flush, then 2wks later, 2nd Liver Flush, then, 1 wk later, Begin Master Cleanse for 10 days, then 3rd Liver flush, then 2 wks later, 4th liver flush.  Please let me know if this is also right.  Thank you for any and all help or encouragement! :D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: freckleswith4 May 18, 2006, 08:36:56 AM
I first want to apologize for any confusion, I am SO new at this whole forum stuff.  I am still trying to figure out what I'm doing.  I wrote a reply to your info on Liver Flushes.  Did you by chance get it?  I don't know how all this works so I thought this might.  Please let me know, and help if you can.  I am wanting to get started this weekend on my "flushing" experience!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt May 18, 2006, 11:58:38 AM
I first want to apologize for any confusion, I am SO new at this whole forum stuff.  I am still trying to figure out what I'm doing.  I wrote a reply to your info on Liver Flushes.  Did you by chance get it?  I don't know how all this works so I thought this might.  Please let me know, and help if you can.  I am wanting to get started this weekend on my "flushing" experience!

Don't be so nervous.  Take a deep breath and take it one step at a time.  Beeyoutifulgirl may not be able to answer as quickly as you'd hoped as I believe she is out-of-town.  This is not an exact science, so if she deviated from the information she read, she was paying attention to her own body's needs.  Read some of the other threads on parasites, candida (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,51.0.html), leaky gut (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.from1147986342/topicseen.html#msg3823), etc and get a feel for what symptoms you really have.  The most common problem is candida and leaky gut.  So you may need to get a feel for this first.  If you don't have any real problems, then the Master Cleanse lemonade diet may all you need to just cleanse and get a boost.  You could try a coffee enema (http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T98568.html) and start your gallbladder in motion.  The This link (http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T98568.html) supports doing flushes and juice fasts concurrently.  If you don't feel any pain or problems you may not need to do a 2nd, 3rd or 4th flush.  If you read her earlier post, she noted some pain as if she could feel the stone dislodge. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: freckleswith4 May 18, 2006, 01:46:47 PM
Hi, thank you for your encouragement!  I do remember her post mentioning the pain, but no one will know that is going to happen until it happens, right?  That is what I am scared of.  I am afraid of getting started on this and having a watermelon-of-a-stone trying to squeeze out.  OUCH! 
Lately, I have been feeling SO tired.  My cycles are heavier than they used to be.  I just stopped nursing my 15mo. about 4mo. ago.  I now get bloated and achey.  I have sensitive skin, and thought this gallbladder/liver clease would be a great start.  I also thought the Lemonaide Fast would help too.  I plan on taking SuperMom and Yeast Assassin too.  Anyway, I don't like or agree with most of what the worldly-medical field has to say, and would rather try something natural.  I just want to be safe too.   ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mishy May 18, 2006, 02:29:24 PM
Start gently!  Do the water cure- it is easy and painless.  Then do something to treat candida if you have it.  For me it was a lot of yoghurt and the water cure- and of course avoiding sugar and yeast (although I didn't completely ellimate it).   I still have a little bit of a rash left from what I think was a candida die off.  But other than that, I haven't had to fast or flush or whatnot.  I would like to try some of those after I am done nursing.  But just be aware you can start with an easier route first if you wish. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt May 18, 2006, 05:12:47 PM
Mishy made a good point.  If you think it's too overwhelming start small.  The cleansing may be helpful eventually, but I think treating for candida tops the list.  Overgrowth of candida can cause leaky gut which can lead to a whole other plethera of other problems.  The cleanse is good for gastro intestinal cleansing, but it seems to be crucial more for female problems (fertility, PCOS, etc).  The water cure, may definately be a place to start, and if you don't like the idea of drinking salt water, just drink the water, eliminate your sugars and take probiotics.  This will cause detox symptoms but they won't last long(1-3 days) and they won't be as difficult as passing a gallstone.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery June 14, 2006, 02:02:29 AM
Do I eat normally until I start the cleanse on day 1, or do I not eat at all?  What about day 2?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Kansas Girl June 14, 2006, 02:53:24 AM
You don't eat in the afternoon.  They suggest 2:00  p.m.  I read that it will make you feel pretty yucky if you eat after that time.   -KG
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Numero June 17, 2006, 06:54:01 AM
I of all people hate to be the wet blanket, but. . .

In discussing the Liver Flush elsewhere I ran across a true unbeliever (who btw sufferes from very poor health) who has 'reasearched' this thing and discovered that the Liver Flush is unknown to Medical Science, thus concluding that it doesn't help any and "could probabaly even kill you". In the face of evidence to the contrary, he found on a official medical report of a woman who had taken the Flush treatment and was subsequently admitted to hospital:
1) There were no gallstones in the gallbladder upon ultrasound examination
2) The 'stones' she passed were tested and found to contain no calcium or cholesterol, so weren't gallstones
3) Chemical analysis of her 'stones' showed them to be olive oil congealed in lemon juice

Not that it's even worth my while responding to this, but is there an answer?

Numero Uno
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt June 17, 2006, 12:10:45 PM
In the face of evidence to the contrary, he found on a official medical report of a woman who had taken the Flush treatment and was subsequently admitted to hospital:
1) There were no gallstones in the gallbladder upon ultrasound examination
2) The 'stones' she passed were tested and found to contain no calcium or cholesterol, so weren't gallstones
3) Chemical analysis of her 'stones' showed them to be olive oil congealed in lemon juice

I read part of<<that book>> (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,188.msg1967.html#msg1967) too, and it has some good information. I think the herbs are a legitamate way to cleanse the gallbladder.

However, if you are in bad shape and need to get the stones out RIGHT NOW - like I did, I think the flush is effective. The stones have been analyzed to confirm they are not just olive oil. You do pass the olive oil as well, and it looks like soft green peas. The stones, on the other hand, are very obviously stones - very hard, and very old looking. I know that the stones were there before my flush because I was in continual pain. I know that I passed them because
 
1) I saw them, and tried to break one
2) I felt them leaving my gallbladder
3) I have no more pain since the last flush, during which I passed the stones.
[/color]

Some people (including doctors) will say that your gall stones are not gall stones but fecal matter.  To quote from Dr Lewis:

"To clarify the situation and eliminate such questions, I sent a sample of gall stones to a medical analysis lab run by a Ph.D. who heads up the Science Department at Texas Woman's University in Denton.  He ran the necessary tests…

His analysis of the stone sample I sent was 91% cholesterol and the rest was bile salts, water and inert ingredients.  In other words, the sample had the chemical contents of gall stones.  And the report clearly states it was gall stones".


It's always good to study both sides of an issue though, and to know the pros and cons of any treatment.

Rebekah

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Soñadora July 07, 2006, 06:30:41 AM
I have a couple of questions about the sleep aid part fo this --  Is it necessary to use Ornithine, or can you use something else as a sleep aid? I'm wondering if I can use what I have laying around here. Thanks.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl July 07, 2006, 10:35:07 AM
Umm... probably you can. Ornithine is just a healthy alternative. I don't think it would matter, otherwise.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthnut July 20, 2006, 09:56:41 AM
Help!!!
A friend and I are doing the liver flush today and I just saw that I am supposed to "ozonate" my olive oil!!!!  Beeyoutifulgirl did you ozonate your oil?  Has anybody ozonated their olive oil???  ???  (How do you do this anyway?) I am concerned that I won't get to flush today...  :(
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mrsnoah August 01, 2006, 04:20:34 PM
whats ozonate?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: 1happygal August 01, 2006, 04:31:36 PM
whats ozonate?

I have heard of this, having a friend that is suffering from cancer and has researched a lot of "alternative" (natural, non-traditional) treatments. I don't fully understand what or why you would need to do this for a cleanse/flush on a fairly healthy person (I did not do it with mine), but this is what I found from a quick search (bear in mind, this is from a website trying to sell "ozonaters")...

What is Ozone?
Ozone (O3) is the triatomic form of oxygen (O2). It is oxygen in its most active state and is an extremely potent oxidant that has been shown to posses broad spectrum antimicrobial activity. Ozone is not just another disinfectant. Ozone is a true sterilant. It has the ability to completely destroy not only bacteria, but also viruses, spores, fungus, mold, mildew, cysts, and many other contaminants while at the same time breaking down dissolved organic materials by oxidation. When ozone (O3) breaks down it naturally reverts back to oxygen (O2).

More Ozone Facts
Ozone has been used in Europe for nearly 100 years to sanitize meat and dairy produce. It is used to sanitize glass jars for baby food. On June 26, 2001 the FDA approved Ozone for use in direct contact with food to kill food borne pathogens. Ozone is the most effective oxidizing anti-microbial agent known. It kills E-coli 3125 times faster than chlorine, and it converts into ordinary oxygen in the process, leaving no chemical residuals behind. Ozone reacts with organic and inorganic substances, it will neutralize ammonia, ethylene and pesticides, thus enhancing the taste of food. Ozone is one of the most powerful disinfectants known. There are no toxic by-products or health hazards when properly used as a micro biocide. More than 200 US drinking water plants use Ozone and the number is climbing.

How Ozone Works
The technology works this way to kill pathogens: all molecular chains are made up with double carbon bonds that hold the atoms together. Ozone is a highly energetic oxidant and it seeks out those carbon bonds. Ozone literally disassembles microorganisms. Ozone is an environmentally friendly alternative to other oxidation agents such as chlorine, because it produces no harmful by-products such as chloroform, and leaves no strong residual odors. In fact the use of chlorine for food contact is now being restricted worldwide.

Hope that helps  ;)

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mrsnoah August 01, 2006, 04:48:40 PM
Help!!!
A   Beeyoutifulgirl did you ozonate your oil?  Has anybody ozonated their olive oil???  ???  (How do you do this anyway?) I am concerned that I won't get to flush today...  :(
*BUMP! HOW DO YOU DO THIS?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 01, 2006, 05:11:53 PM
NO I did NOT ozonate my oil - I bought the cheapest olive oil at the grocery store and it worked just fine.

Rebekah
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama August 02, 2006, 01:13:50 AM
Rebekah--
Thank you for all of your detailed information on your gallbladder/liver cleanse!  I am eager to try this...I really identified w/ the "eating healthy/still overweight" thread, and having done many other things on this site (switched to NT cookbook, probiotics, take a herbal fiberblend supplement, drink water, whole grains, etc...).  I think the cleanse is next, before we conceive baby #4.   :P  Don't count on detailed byproduct descriptions, though!   :o

Drinking my chinese detox tea until then,  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: lovetolearn August 10, 2006, 06:58:41 PM
I saw these questions earlier and wanted to know the same thing but I didn't see any responses so I thought I'd pose the ? again...  What is HCI?  Do you have to take the ornthine capsules? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Hamama August 16, 2006, 04:58:53 PM
I have a few (1000) questions about the liver flush!
1. Can you put the Epsom salt into capsules and still have it work like it should?
2. How important is the walnut tincture?
3. Can you drink more water than just the Epsom salt water?
4. Is this cleanse safe for children?...What age and dose would be used?
My husband and I are doing a liver flush and then we are going to start the master cleanse.
Any extra input is appreciated! I have read most of the posts for this and MC read a ton on the curezone too.
thanks
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 17, 2006, 08:09:17 AM
I have a few (1000) questions about the liver flush!
1. Can you put the Epsom salt into capsules and still have it work like it should?
2. How important is the walnut tincture?
3. Can you drink more water than just the Epsom salt water?
4. Is this cleanse safe for children?...What age and dose would be used?
My husband and I are doing a liver flush and then we are going to start the master cleanse.
Any extra input is appreciated! I have read most of the posts for this and MC read a ton on the curezone too.
thanks

1: I doubt the Epsom would work as well in capsules, and man, you'd have to take a lot of them. It's actually not that bad in grapefruit juice.
2: I didn't take any Walnut tincture, but I did take Yeast Assassin 2 weeks before the flush. The point is to make sure you don't have any parasites.
3: Yes, I drank more water, but not within an hour of drinking the oil, because it can make you feel queasy to have extra liquid floating the oil.
4: I know people on Curezone have talked about giving their kids a Liver Flush treatment. I think 8 years old is the youngest I've read about, but I haven't looked into that. I guess you'd tailor the treatment according to weight;  half doses for half the weight of an adult...

I saw these questions earlier and wanted to know the same thing but I didn't see any responses so I thought I'd pose the ? again...  What is HCI?  Do you have to take the ornthine capsules?

I don't know what HCI is. Need more context to figure it out... Ornithine is an amino acid (natural) that is used to relax muscles, etc... It helps you sleep better. Personally, I haven't noticed a whole lot of effect from it - especially if I fight sleep for the first 20 minutes after drinking the oil/taking ornithine... A sleep aid is nice to help you deal with the nausea.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM August 17, 2006, 11:57:30 AM
I'm planning on doing a liver flush this weekend. I did a coffee enema today just for starters. Afterwards I did feel some gurgling on the right side of my tummy just under the ribs. I'm guessing that was my liver. Now my stomach is gurgling like crazy. Could the enema some how have stimulated my digestion? It actually feels kind of good. My stomach always feels so heavy and dead. I'm surprised that it worked at all. I couldn't hold in the enema for more than 4 minutes. Anyone else had trouble with this?

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt August 17, 2006, 03:15:38 PM
I'm planning on doing a liver flush this weekend. I did a coffee enema today just for starters. Afterwards I did feel some gurgling on the right side of my tummy just under the ribs. I'm guessing that was my liver. Now my stomach is gurgling like crazy. Could the enema some how have stimulated my digestion? It actually feels kind of good. My stomach always feels so heavy and dead. I'm surprised that it worked at all. I couldn't hold in the enema for more than 4 minutes. Anyone else had trouble with this?

Maria

Most recommend you do two in a row.  The 2nd one is easier to hold.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio August 17, 2006, 03:28:56 PM
I'm planning on doing a liver flush this weekend. I did a coffee enema today just for starters. Afterwards I did feel some gurgling on the right side of my tummy just under the ribs. I'm guessing that was my liver. Now my stomach is gurgling like crazy. Could the enema some how have stimulated my digestion? It actually feels kind of good. My stomach always feels so heavy and dead. I'm surprised that it worked at all. I couldn't hold in the enema for more than 4 minutes. Anyone else had trouble with this?

Maria

I have done around eight coffee enemas in the past two years.  I remember the first time that I did it, I could hold it the 15 min. no problem.  Then, every time since, I have a hard time holding it in.  I have to squeeze my cheeks :o , take deep breaths, and close my eyes and try to concentrate on something else.  Then, the pressure subsides and I can hold it for another four or five min.  Then, I will have the stomach pressure again, so I can hold it in, but it takes more effort.  You could try doing another one, since the other was only four minutes long, and try to relax.  I have noticed that if I just hold it out a little longer, the uncomfortability will soon pass.  Hope this helps!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amazonmama2five August 17, 2006, 03:31:45 PM
ONLY HERE AND ONLY WITH YOU ALL COULD WE HAVE THIS MUCH FUN!!!

I have to squeeze my cheeks  ,
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama August 28, 2006, 04:57:22 AM
 I just did a liver cleanse over the weekend.  ;D
-I did a parasite cleanse after the last out of country visit 4 years ago; did not repeat
-been doing the water cure and treating yeast overgrowth
-fasted two days before with only a bowl of plain oatmeal first day and bites of watermelon until             the morning before the cleanse
- did the milder version of the liver cleanse only 1/2 cup oil

So I don't have any gallbladder attacks or anything like that; I just am trying to totally detox while I am neither pregnant nor nursing.From the time i started drinking the epsom salts I had liquid bowel movements and two drops of urine in 18 hours.  :o I did drink water in between!! I passed absolutely nothing that could qualify as a stone. Maybe some grit but that is hard to see. I did think my bowels were empty before I drank the oil. So the slight coloring and substance those oil clumps were in could have been sludge?? Two weeks ago I had done a kefir "fast" and during that time I passed 'sand' that floated in the toilet. ???
Needless to say my GI tract is very tender! I was planning to do the master cleanse in 2 weeks and do another liver cleanse during that. Is it worth it?? I do experience new detox with each cleanse/fast.The liver cleanse has definitely upped the detox although no headache if I keep drinking...
Do you all think another liver cleanse is neccessary?
Thanks :D I love this nutty community! 8)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt August 28, 2006, 05:31:28 AM
Thanks :D I love this nutty community! 8)

 :P
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama August 30, 2006, 05:08:56 AM
I am having problems :( This is day 4 after my liver cleanse and I cannot seem to get my GI tract stabilized. Any food or drink gives me intense cramping in my lower intestines in 20 minutes or so. Even water! I've tried only very plain foods- rice, oatmeal,kefir, and watermelon each separately and only a bite or two at a time. I've also taken both tummy tune up and acidophilus blast. Today I am taking a herbal combination to combat the diarhea and hopefully calm my bowels; so far it hasn't helped. I am getting desperate as the pain is debilitating and I am also not drinking enough to flush the toxins....I think I'll go drink a lot of water right now I guess if a couple of swallows is bad more can't be too much worse ???
Also even though I have hardly eaten for a week, have diarhea, and am dehydrated I have gained almost 7 lbs. Something isn't right ::) Maybe I'll add some salt to that water :-\
any ideas, anyone? I've been looking on curezone, but find it hard to navigate and have found nothing that sounds like this.....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 30, 2006, 06:27:32 AM
Yikes!

I've found that doing a probiotic enema as I come off of the Liver Flush will stabilize my GI tract and prepare it for digesting foods again. This is simply warm water with yogurt/kefir and TT Up mixed in.

I've never done this 4 days after a Flush, but if I were in your shape, I'd definitely try it.

Also... this is scary but... I've read on Curezone that if you do a Liver Flush while having parasites, you may have extreme stomach cramps and pain. Did you do any kind of parasite cleanse before the Liver Flush?

If the probiotic enema (maybe several) can get your GI tract settled down at all - you might consider going on an anti-parasitic for a couple of months.

Hope this helps... praying for you.

Rebekah
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama August 30, 2006, 10:47:08 AM
.

 Did you do any kind of parasite cleanse before the Liver Flush?

If the probiotic enema (maybe several) can get your GI tract settled down at all - you might consider going on an anti-parasitic for a couple of months
Thanks. I had thought of the enema, but was scared it just might make it worse. I tried it and it was soothing. The salty water I mentioned earlier seemed to release a huge amount of retained water plus didn't cause as severe of cramping.

About the parasites... I have been berating myself for ignoring that caution ::) I just thought since  had done one earlier and am very much in control of where my food comes from and cleanliness it wouldn't really be neccessary :D I will definitely try that as soon as I'm normal, especially as the BM look very much like the results you get with giardia.
WHEW! ALL the rest of you might want to follow the directions! :-[

Rebekah, I noticed that your beginning post in this thread that you got results with your fifth flush. Does this mean you got nothing with the previous flushes? Also thanks for praying,I feel like I need it :P  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM September 04, 2006, 04:08:47 AM
I did my first liver flush. I passes  about a cup of stones. Nothing hard but lots of pea size green ones. I felt so great afterwards for about three days.  My low blood sugar seemed to really stabilize. Then I started feeling alot of yucky detox symptoms. Tired, bad breath and stinky sweat :P Is it possable that doing this cleanse kinda loosened things up and now my body is really detoxing? I plan on doing more liver cleanses but haven't yet. I'm hoping that I can get rid of my fibromilgia sp? before the next pregnancy!!!!!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama September 05, 2006, 09:53:05 AM
I did my first liver flush. I passes  about a cup of stones. Nothing hard but lots of pea size green ones. I felt so great afterwards for about three days.  My low blood sugar seemed to really stabilize. Then I started feeling alot of yucky detox symptoms. Tired, bad breath and stinky sweat :P Is it possable that doing this cleanse kinda loosened things up and now my body is really detoxing? I plan on doing more liver cleanses but haven't yet. I'm hoping that I can get rid of my fibromilgia sp? before the next pregnancy!!!!!
Maria
I thought the pea sized green ones were just the oil and bile. Were they soft or hard?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie September 05, 2006, 10:08:53 AM
'Nother question. I have been thinking of doing a liver flush pretty soon and that it is safe for breastfeeding but then I read where someone didn't do the parasite cleans first and got major cramps.  so is it save to deparasite while breastfeeding?  AND, if I do what should I use to do it? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM September 05, 2006, 10:40:54 AM
I did my first liver flush. I passes  about a cup of stones. Nothing hard but lots of pea size green ones. I felt so great afterwards for about three days.  My low blood sugar seemed to really stabilize. Then I started feeling alot of yucky detox symptoms. Tired, bad breath and stinky sweat :P Is it possable that doing this cleanse kinda loosened things up and now my body is really detoxing? I plan on doing more liver cleanses but haven't yet. I'm hoping that I can get rid of my fibromilgia sp? before the next pregnancy!!!!!

I thought the pea sized green ones were just the oil and bile. Were they soft or hard?

Thats what I thought at first but I looked on curezone and they said the green pea size ones are cholesterol. They were really firm like dried out sillyputty and gritty.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM September 05, 2006, 11:36:35 AM
'Nother question. I have been thinking of doing a liver flush pretty soon and that it is safe for breastfeeding but then I read where someone didn't do the parasite cleans first and got major cramps.  so is it save to deparasite while breastfeeding?  AND, if I do what should I use to do it?  

I've found garlic to be very affective in getting rid of parasites. My husband was taking yeast assassin and passed tons of parasites. We ran out and he stopped passing worms. I gave him alot of garlic and he started passing worms again. Just to see I stopped giving him garlic and he stopped passing worms. I recently read a book on garlic from the library and it said garlic is safe to take while nursing. In fact babies are supposed to like your milk better when you eat garlic. Anyway thats my experience. I hope my husband runs out of worms soon. He is really full of it ;D :o
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie September 05, 2006, 11:48:24 AM
ew. Thank you.   :D  How much garlic? I would probably just to fresh. If I dont' see "them" then I wouldn't have "them" I guess?   :-\
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM September 05, 2006, 12:07:30 PM
I've never read a recommendation on how much garlic. He was taking 1-3 cloves a day. It took a couple of weeks before he started passing worms. You could also try a garlic enema. Personally I found the garlic to be a little strong for an enema ( it burned pretty bad) but I've read alot of good things about them. Happy worming ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie September 05, 2006, 01:04:40 PM
kaaaaaaay.  do you buy something at the store for the enema?  Sorry this is newish to me. I have bought a ready made one b/f but never made my own.  :-\
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama September 06, 2006, 09:34:34 AM

I thought the pea sized green ones were just the oil and bile. Were they soft or hard?

Thats what I thought at first but I looked on curezone and they said the green pea size ones are cholesterol. They were really firm like dried out sillyputty and gritty.
Maria
Ok. I saw that on curezone then another place I saw that the only stones you can be sure about are the hard ones. Maybe that was from a skeptic :D
 So maybe my cleanse did help. I had a few that were kind of firm like you describe, but most were just soft all the way through.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt September 07, 2006, 08:54:35 AM
kaaaaaaay.  do you buy something at the store for the enema?  Sorry this is newish to me. I have bought a ready made one b/f but never made my own.  :-\

A regular hot water bottle kit, usually comes with an enema tip and then you can use the bottle for other things as well.  They usually come with a douche tip and a "cork" just to use it as a heating pad.  They usually cost around $10 at Wally World.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama September 15, 2006, 11:16:18 AM
I am having problems :( This is day 4 after my liver cleanse and I cannot seem to get my GI tract stabilized. Any food or drink gives me intense cramping in my lower intestines in 20 minutes or so. Even water! I've tried only very plain foods- rice, oatmeal,kefir, and watermelon each separately and only a bite or two at a time. I've also taken both tummy tune up and acidophilus blast. Today I am taking a herbal combination to combat the diarhea and hopefully calm my bowels; so far it hasn't helped. I am getting desperate as the pain is debilitating and I am also not drinking enough to flush the toxins..
I just had to let you all know that I think most of my problem was a weird virus. All the rest of the family has gotten it now. It is really weird, doesn't cause stomach pain so they are still hungry and then ::) It lasts for 5-6 days before improving at all. It has been all of three weeks with one by one coming down with it so I'm sure it is viral.
If you are/were :D considering the liver cleanse go ahead!!! It should be safe. Just don't get a virus :P with it....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: cassidy September 22, 2006, 04:35:47 AM
INTERESTING! I'VE USED COFFEE ENEMAS QUITE REGULARLY FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS (WITHOUT EPSOM SALTS), AS I HAD COLON CANCER SURGERY IN 2003.  I STILL TAKE HERBS TO KEEP BOWELS MOVING.  I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH A LARGE GALLSTONE, BUT FLUSHES DIDN'T SEEM TO WORK.  I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE ANY NOW, BUT I DON'T SEEM TO HAVE TROUBLE
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 23, 2006, 02:11:43 PM
OK, I've been reading all of your words for weeks and I'm finally inspired....I started the liver cleanse tonight....I drank my first epsom concoction at 6.  Is it SUPPOSED to taste like POISON?  Ick!  And how debilitated will I be tomorrow?  I'm already planning on sending the fam to church without me....there's no other day I can do this! Maybe somebody could answer and let me know what I'm in for tonight/tomorrow?  Thanks!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amazonmama2five September 23, 2006, 02:22:39 PM
Read Rebekah's post on page one of this thread.  Maybe it will give you a better idea.
I thought you were supposed to start at 10 a.m. with your first Epsom salt drink, but anyway read what she went through and that should give you an idea.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 23, 2006, 02:25:23 PM
Hey, thanks!  I'll read that again......I thought I had read to drink the Epsom water at 6pm, 8 pm, then the grapefruit juice stuff at 10pm and go to bed, then salt again in the morning???  I'm not sure where I got that, but I took notes and everything! :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 23, 2006, 02:30:04 PM
This is where I got my info....I did a search for "Hulda Clark Liver Cleanse" and this is what I found:
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amazonmama2five September 23, 2006, 02:41:29 PM
Thank you!  That is where I will go for my schedule after I get done removing mercury from my mouth.  I am looking forward to losing weight and feeling great!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour September 26, 2006, 09:49:48 AM
OK, I've been reading all of your words for weeks and I'm finally inspired....I started the liver cleanse tonight....I drank my first epsom concoction at 6.  Is it SUPPOSED to taste like POISON?  Ick!  And how debilitated will I be tomorrow?  I'm already planning on sending the fam to church without me....there's no other day I can do this! Maybe somebody could answer and let me know what I'm in for tonight/tomorrow?  Thanks!


Hey Texas Girl:  Just wanted to let you know how the liver cleanse went for  me.  I did the liver cleanse last night.  I was skeptical, didn't think I would have any, but was wrong.  I didn't feel any pain at all at night.  I actually slept pretty good.  I woke up about 6:00 and started passing my first cup full of green stones.  They were about the size of dimes, but just a little bit smaller.  I was shocked when I passed them!!  My husband doesn't think I'm crazy now for trying it!  He said he wants to try one when he can get his diet straight.  I had a little back ache this morning, but I could tell it was from the stones moving down, because every time it started to ache I went to the bathroom and passed  more.  It's about 2:45  and the last few I passed were at about 1:30(my largest yet, the size of nickel).  Ouch!!  Can't believe that was in there!!  Anyway, so far I feel pretty good, just a little worn out.  I think that is also because I just started my menses for the first time after the birth of my second child.  I was thinking something was wrong because I hadn't started yet.  I was pumping for my daughter up until the 9 month, and that's when I stopped.  I'm glad my cycle resumed normally.  I was thinking I was going to have to take a special herb to get my hormones straight.  I just think it is weird that I did the liver cleanse and boom there the monthly visitor was!!  Anyway, just wanted to share my liver cleaning experience with everyone.  I will do another two weeks from now to make sure no more stones come out.  I have  heard people having to do the liver cleanses 3 or more times to get them all out.  Hopefully, I wont have to do that many!!  Good luck everyone.


Misty
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: diaperswyper September 26, 2006, 09:54:37 AM
So what happens if you do the liver flush with mercury in your mouth? It could be a looong time till i get the mercury replaced. Am i going to get deathly sick? I did the master cleanse a couple mo. ago and ever since then i feel bloated alot. Beeyoutiful said i should do a liver flush but not sure what to do with all my mercury. Any help?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: kamom September 26, 2006, 09:58:17 AM
        ;D ;D ;D  YOOHOO!!!!  Misty, ;D ;D ;D
Good  for you!!!  You did it!!  On to better health!!! I did it once about 3 yrs  ago and am building up my nerve to do it again :P
    I did the liver flush with a mouth full of mercury , with very good results :D  Maybe you didn't want to hear that :-*

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 26, 2006, 11:33:44 AM
Hey, thanks, Misty, for the info!!  I tried it too, but realized at 10 pm that I only had about 2 tablespoons of olive oil, so I just did the cleanse with what I had, and I don't think it was enough ~ although the salt water DID work  :), so I'm doing it again tomorrow!  Its good to know that everyone seems to live through it, and the stuff really doesn't taste that bad!  Its weird, I know, but I'm excited about trying it again!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour September 26, 2006, 03:54:56 PM
So what happens if you do the liver flush with mercury in your mouth? It could be a looong time till i get the mercury replaced. Am i going to get deathly sick? I did the master cleanse a couple mo. ago and ever since then i feel bloated alot. Beeyoutiful said i should do a liver flush but not sure what to do with all my mercury. Any help?



diaperswyper:  I too have tons of mercury in my mouth, 14 silver fillings to be exact!!  I just got done with the liver cleanse and everything turned out great!!  I feel a whole lot better.  Don't be worried about your mercury fillings, if anything, it will get rid of some of those old metal toxins until you get yours out.  I can't get mine out right now either, but until then, I can still detox my body to make myself feel better.  My health is much better so far!  Good luck.


Misty
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour September 26, 2006, 05:17:09 PM
Hey, thanks, Misty, for the info!!  I tried it too, but realized at 10 pm that I only had about 2 tablespoons of olive oil, so I just did the cleanse with what I had, and I don't think it was enough ~ although the salt water DID work  :), so I'm doing it again tomorrow!  Its good to know that everyone seems to live through it, and the stuff really doesn't taste that bad!  Its weird, I know, but I'm excited about trying it again!


Texas girl:  Let me know how it turns out for you when you get more olive oil.  I think you will be surprised at the results, as I was.  EHH I can still taste the epsom salt in my mouth!!  That was the worst part, not drinking the oil down, I figured that would be the hardest thing for me.  I could barely taste the oil with the grapefruit juice.  Anyway, good luck.  Can't wait to hear your story..


Misty
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 26, 2006, 05:33:17 PM
OK! I'm planning on trying again tomorrow night since I don't have to be anywhere Thursday! 
About the epsom salts ~ ICK!  I know what you mean.  It really tasted like poison!  I wondered if I had done something wrong, so I looked back at that website that I listed above, and found out that you can mix the epsom salts with FRESH GRAPEFRUIT JUICE instead of water!  So for the next salt doses, I did that, and MAN, it was SO much better.  Its still not 'delicious,' but MUCH more manageable.  AND ~ you can follow up that little drink with a tiny little taste of honey to get the taste out of your mouth. 
I was like you, DREADING that oil drink, but mixed in the GF juice it wasn't bad at all.  Could you hear or feel your gall bladder/liver/?? sort of popping stones out??? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: KeepItSimple September 26, 2006, 06:44:30 PM
Second try on this post...

I was diagnosed with gall stones a while back...had an ultra sound done and was told my gall bladder was full of stones and that I had thickening of the bladder wall.  The doctor suggested I have my gall bladder removed, and I felt God had given it to me for a reason, thanked him for his time and went home.

I have read up on several different flushes, but have been hesitant to do any of them.  First because I have images of exploding ducts and organs from all the stones I know are in there, and secondly because the thought of drinking oil churns my stomach.

That said, I really feel now is the time to do one.  My husband and I just finished doing a parasite cleanse.  I didn't notice any wormies, but then again I didn't investigate too closely.

I have a couple of questions on the flush from the curezone site.  Would I need to use HCl drops in the oil, do I have to make a Black Walnut tincture (what is that anyway?) and what are the pills? 

I guess that's it for now.  Thanks in advance for the info and advice. 

Peace,
Camille

PS - I can now tell when I'm going to have an attack because of a fullness feeling, if that makes sense.  Oh, and do you recommend the enemas?  The only time I had one of those was with my first born ages ago...back when I didn't know any better and back in the day that they did everything in their power to make birthing a most miserable medical event.  - Thanks again!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 26, 2006, 07:09:48 PM
Hi Camille...about the Black Walnut, I bought the drops already made at my local healthfood store (I'm not sure if that's what you're SUPPOSED to do...it wasn't expensive, $5? $6?  Its to kill parasites).  The ornithine is optional, I think; its just to help you sleep.
About drinking the oil, that's EXACTLY what I thought, but it really turns watery when you mix it up, and if you drink it through a straw you really can't taste the oil, or worse, FEEL the texture of it in your mouth.  The grapefruit covers it up!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour September 27, 2006, 10:23:52 AM
OK! I'm planning on trying again tomorrow night since I don't have to be anywhere Thursday!  
About the epsom salts ~ ICK!  I know what you mean.  It really tasted like poison!  I wondered if I had done something wrong, so I looked back at that website that I listed above, and found out that you can mix the epsom salts with FRESH GRAPEFRUIT JUICE instead of water!  So for the next salt doses, I did that, and MAN, it was SO much better.  Its still not 'delicious,' but MUCH more manageable.  AND ~ you can follow up that little drink with a tiny little taste of honey to get the taste out of your mouth.  
I was like you, DREADING that oil drink, but mixed in the GF juice it wasn't bad at all.  Could you hear or feel your gall bladder/liver/?? sort of popping stones out???  



Texasgirl:  I couldn't feel anything going on really.  I just felt really tired, so I fell asleep pretty fast!!  I honestly didn't think it would work at all on me.  I was wrong, it did indeed work.  I will be doing another liver cleanse in two weeks.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour September 27, 2006, 10:33:30 AM
Camille:  I didn't use the Black Walnut Tincture when I did my liver cleanse or the HCL drops.  I had already done a parasite cleanse, so I didn't need it.  As for the the sleeping pills(Orthrine?--spelling?) I just used the Melatonin pills I already had. These have always made me get a good nights sleep when I was restless.  Try not too worry, if anything, this will help you tremendously.  Just curious, have you done a kidney cleanse or bowel cleanse yet?  It is very important that your bowels be working properly to eliminate the stones as you pass them.  I didn't do a kidney cleanse because I had been fasting for 4 days on juice prior to doing my liver cleanse, so my kidneys were functioning great!!  I did about 3 enemas during my fast to make sure my bowels were working properly, so I could eliminate as many stones as possible.  Just a little bit of info you might find helpful to you.  Hopefully, you can get all your stones to pass without having to have surgery.  Good luck.  If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.


Misty
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 28, 2006, 05:48:41 AM
OK, I tried the liver flush last night, and NOTHING!!!  NOTHING.  I can't believe it.  I'm wondering if I didn't time it just right....I did wait 3 hours between the 2 salt water drinks instead of 2....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mrsnoah September 28, 2006, 06:27:13 AM
ok ladies! I finally got up the nerve to do this last night also. And I'm not sure if it is happening right or not. I had no pain, I did hear some squirting in there :P and today I just have water bowel movements with some pea size green balls and a little bit if Tannish stuff floating around. The first BM had a large ball of stuff :P but I couldn't really tell what it was. Should I be having watery BM? I never felt sick or nauseous or anything. I also drank everything through a straw so i didn't taste it.
-mary
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl September 28, 2006, 09:38:13 AM
"tannish stuff" is chaff, and sometimes, with the first flush, you just get chaff because everything is so settled in there, and hard. My most successful flushes were 5-8 ! It seemed to take a while to get everything loosened up in the bilairy ducts.

And, some people don't need to do a flush. Gabe did two in a row with absolutely nothing. He eats tons of oils, fats, etc... and it must process just fine.

I read somewhere that if you do three flushes, and don't get any stones or chaff, you're probably clear.

Planning to do number 9 soon...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 28, 2006, 03:52:55 PM
OK, I tried the liver flush last night, and NOTHING!!!  NOTHING.  I can't believe it.  I'm wondering if I didn't time it just right....I did wait 3 hours between the 2 salt water drinks instead of 2....
OK, I spoke a little too soon.........................  I was expecting results early in the a.m.; it all hit about noon!  It worked!  I KNOW I will definitely repeat it; I just still have this unfinished feeling.  Do you have to wait 2 weeks?  Does the 'chaff'.....look like SAND? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: KeepItSimple September 28, 2006, 04:03:51 PM
Hi Misty...

No, I've not done an enema or a kidney cleanse.  I'm very new to the whole world of 'cleansing'.  Would you recommend doing both of those before doing the gall bladder flush?  It just seems that there is a ton of different methods out there.  I asked the doctor that recommended surgery about trying an alternative route and he poo-pooed the idea (no pun intended). 

I've read about several different bowel cleansing methods on here, which would be best?  I just figured with that parasite cleanse everything was out of there.  I had to drink this stuff mixed in water that was similar to Metamucil or something like that (only guessing, since I've never taken that either!)...lol! 

Okay, ladies (and gents) give me your opinions....flushes and cleansings and fasting before the gall bladder?  If so, what do you recommend?  I've read so much, but still feel very ignorant when it comes to this.

Thanks in advance,
Camille
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: carolinachic September 28, 2006, 05:48:09 PM
I'm a little overwhelmed with so much information here. My husband and I would like to try a cleansing flush. Neither of us have ever done it. I'm thirty years old with four kids, my husband is a year younger, he's trying to lose weight as well. I don't have any health problems or weight. I only weigh about 115. Would appreciate some advice on how to start and what's the best one to start with. Thanks so much!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour September 28, 2006, 06:30:09 PM
Hi Misty...

No, I've not done an enema or a kidney cleanse.  I'm very new to the whole world of 'cleansing'.  Would you recommend doing both of those before doing the gall bladder flush?  It just seems that there is a ton of different methods out there.  I asked the doctor that recommended surgery about trying an alternative route and he poo-pooed the idea (no pun intended).  

I've read about several different bowel cleansing methods on here, which would be best?  I just figured with that parasite cleanse everything was out of there.  I had to drink this stuff mixed in water that was similar to Metamucil or something like that (only guessing, since I've never taken that either!)...lol!  

Okay, ladies (and gents) give me your opinions....flushes and cleansings and fasting before the gall bladder?  If so, what do you recommend?  I've read so much, but still feel very ignorant when it comes to this.

Thanks in advance,
Camille



Camille:  Of course, the Dr.says not to even try a healthy way of eliminating your gall stones!!  How appropriate!!  I would try making your diet a little healthier first of all.  Try cutting down on your fats and saturated fats that your consuming throughout the day first of all.  When you do the liver fast you will have to have a fat free breakfast and a fat free lunch.  I would suggest maybe some ff yogurt and fruit until 2:00.  Keep it light the day of the liver fast.  I would also suggest(you don't have to, but it will make it easier on your body to eliminate stones) eating maybe fruits 3days before  your liver cleanse, and also do enemas during this time period.  I got my enema recipes off of www.curezone.com--go under the section called cleansing and then go to bowel cleansing.  There are a few different ones to chose from.  I did the vinegar/water one--real simple--2 TBSP of white vinegar to 2 Quarts of warm water.  I also did the Garlic/Epsom salt enema--Be careful.  This one really cleans you out!!  It's 3 cloves of garlic to 2 TBSP of Epsom salt.  I also used just plain warm distilled water on my third enema.  It's very important that your bowels are to be fully functionable, so they can eliminate toxins and your gall stones properly when you do the liver cleanse.  If the colon is packed, it will not be able to function properly.  AS far as the kidney cleanse goes, well that just depends on your drinking habits.  What do you drink throughout the day?  I drink nothing but water all day long, so I didn't feel the need to do one.  Try drinking nothing but water before your liver cleanse with 2 TBSP of fresh squeezed lemon juice.  This will help your body get rid of toxins as well.  There are also kidney cleanse recipes on www.curezone.com--type in kidney cleanse and you will find a few.  Some simpler recipes were 2 TBSP of celery seed with a cup of distilled water--steep covered for 15 minutes.  Check the website for more details.  I also saw a recipe for Parsley.  You just buy a 1 bunch of parsley and chop it up, then add it to a cup of boiling water.  Cover and steep for 15 minutes.  I am probably going to do the parsley one next time before my next liver cleanse. I  think if you make these changes to your diet and lifestyle it will be easier for your gall bladder and liver to clean out.  This is just my opinion though.  I wish you the best.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.  This is just some stuff that has helped me.  Any one else care to add something?  Oh yeah, don't forget to eat lots of veggies and fruits before your liver cleanse, try to stay away from meat until you do your liver cleanse.  It makesyour liver have to work extra hard to break down the proteins in the meat.  When your body isn't focusing on digestion, it can focus on detoxing and the liver can clean it's self out.  IMO, I just think fasting on juices,fruits,and veggies makes it so much easier on your body to digest.  This allows the body to get down to business and really heal itself.  Good luck.  Anyone else share anything else?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt September 29, 2006, 05:25:42 AM
I'm a little overwhelmed with so much information here. My husband and I would like to try a cleansing flush. Neither of us have ever done it. I'm thirty years old with four kids, my husband is a year younger, he's trying to lose weight as well. I don't have any health problems or weight. I only weigh about 115. Would appreciate some advice on how to start and what's the best one to start with. Thanks so much!

I'm Ready to Cleanse:  Where Do I Start? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2570.0.html)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 29, 2006, 08:35:08 AM
If you read my previous posts, you know I continued to have almost constant pain/attacks for 4 weeks while doing flush after flush to find relief. I passed over 3 cups of biliary sludge, but still hurt badly if I ate ANY amount of fat.
Beeyoutifulgirl:
I think this same thing is happening to me!!!  I did the flush night before last, and felt fine though worn out exhausted yesterday afternoon......today I am having this shooting pain in my lower left abdomen, near my left hip!!  Its hard to walk!  I'm picturing a huge stone lodged somewhere.  I know the gall bladder is on the right side, and when I've had attacks before it hurt on the opposite side from where its hurting now.  Is this what happened to you?  I wonder if I should do another flush right away (or is this something different?  old age? ha!)?  I'm pretty sure my liver is really in bad shape & its going to take multiple flushes to clean it out....I've seen lots of gall stones in a previous ultrasound, so I know from that and liver enzyme levels from labwork that they're in my liver too.  Does anybody have any advice?  Should I go to the ER, or am I overreacting? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: maideninwaiting September 29, 2006, 05:40:16 PM
Wow! I just received my latest issue of NGJ today and decided to go to this little web site. I'm so glad I found it! This is my very first post. I have been a "victim" of eating VERY SOUTHERN food my entire life up until 20. I have tried over the past few years to incorporate healthier eating habits into my diet. I use only red palm oil and virgin coconut oil in cooking, and olive oil in salad dressings. I am trying to get in more leafy greens, and smoothies with fresh, raw veggies and fruits. I grind my own grain to make bread, etc. Organic cheese, milk, and eggs, and I'm not a huge meat eater, but try to get organic when possible. I've also been culturing cabbage (sauer kraut) with nothing but Real Salt for the past year. All that to say, it has been the HARDEST thing in my LIFE to make these changes, but God has been faithful and my taste buds and cravings are finally changing. I so want to get my body in good shape in health to conceive and bear and nurse many babies one day soon...
I currently take vitex. I've taken it for about 1.5 mos. My always-on-time periods were becoming slightly  irregular AND at 13, I was diagnosed with severe anxiety and depression for no apparent reason. I've always wondered if it has been hormonal all the time. So I am trying the vitex- I also have had a concern about a slight twinge of pain in my left ovary that has been present off and on for about 4 years. I thought it was ovulation pain originally, but it comes at other times also. On top of all that, I have hypo-thyroidism and I soooooooooo long to walk and live in HEALTH and to have the wisdom and obedience to receive this blessing! I feel like a sponge, just soaking in all this info. Its too much for me to attain!
I have been interested in doing some sort of cleanse for awhile now, but have yet to do so. I sometimes wonder if I could have a... dare I say... "parasite" (ICK!) because I get weird cravings at times, many times just before and during my menstral flow, but sometimes not. They can be very strong and overpowering. However, I have noticed a great decrease in cravings for bad foods since I have eaten healthier, more raw greens, whole grains, fresh fruits, and good fats and less "fake" sugar. Help! Does bee pollen help in cleansing??? And what is the WATER CURE??? Oh, I have so much to learn! Oh, I want to do a cleanse, but I'm not presently in a position where I am home every day in a row to do an extreme one like the enemas. Is there a milder, yet still effective one that I could do on the go? Is there an herb that cleanses parasites, etc.? Right now, I take vitex, super 2 greenfood vitamins and sometimes Pur-Gar from NOW. I am open to ANY and ALL of your suggestions. THANKS!  :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: bendeleboysmama September 30, 2006, 03:12:00 AM
There are threads for all your questions...but I'm not very computer savvy SOOOO Where are you HB????  (HB is the moderator and a very smart cookie!)  My advise is to look under the cleansing and the GI tract thread and read, read, read.  I'm currently doing the water cure, and taking Yeast Assasin which is a parasite/yeast cleanse.  I haven't seen any little critters yet, so I'm praying...:)  Also Supermom vitamins.  You sound like you are on the right track.  My periods are far apart also, until just recently, I started taking Proleif from Arbonne and In just 2 months I've had a normal period.  My thyroid is also low, but I've learned that Low thyroid is a sign of estrogen dominance, so progesterone is (I'm praying) Going to help this.  I've lost 7 pounds since September 11th.  And haven't even excercised(I still feel a little sluggish from detoxing)  I will start up this coming monday though!  So I hope that helped you.  This is what I did.  I hope you will start feeling as good as I am!  Praying for you!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt September 30, 2006, 08:31:15 AM
Yeast Assassin is anti-parasitic.  Figs and raw pumpkins seeds are reputed to be antiparasitic as well.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl September 30, 2006, 09:30:40 AM
If you read my previous posts, you know I continued to have almost constant pain/attacks for 4 weeks while doing flush after flush to find relief. I passed over 3 cups of biliary sludge, but still hurt badly if I ate ANY amount of fat.
Beeyoutifulgirl:
I think this same thing is happening to me!!!  I did the flush night before last, and felt fine though worn out exhausted yesterday afternoon......today I am having this shooting pain in my lower left abdomen, near my left hip!!  Its hard to walk!  I'm picturing a huge stone lodged somewhere.  I know the gall bladder is on the right side, and when I've had attacks before it hurt on the opposite side from where its hurting now.  Is this what happened to you?  I wonder if I should do another flush right away (or is this something different?  old age? ha!)?  I'm pretty sure my liver is really in bad shape & its going to take multiple flushes to clean it out....I've seen lots of gall stones in a previous ultrasound, so I know from that and liver enzyme levels from labwork that they're in my liver too.  Does anybody have any advice?  Should I go to the ER, or am I overreacting?  

That's not  your liver or your gallbladder. It sounds more like cramping and/or parasites reacting to the flush. Did you take a probiotic, or do a probiotic enema before eating, after the flush? If not, do that right away, while eating light. Take lots of probiotics, yogurt, etc... and see if your symptoms improve.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. September 30, 2006, 12:35:54 PM
Hey, thanks for the info!  I think I am sort of having a die-off reaction thing going on.  I ate nothing but plain yogurt the 24 hours after the fast, and the abdominal pain is gone, but I sort of feel like I have the flu now, with really runny nose and swollen glands.  I was thinking about doing just a yogurt fast for a while.  What do you think?  And do you have to wait 2 weeks before doing another liver flush?  I feel like I have stirred lots of things up that need to come on out!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: maideninwaiting September 30, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
 So I hope that helped you.  This is what I did.  I hope you will start feeling as good as I am!  Praying for you!


Thank you so much for taking time to answer my post. A question about the Supermom vitamins: Are they still good for ladies who have not yet conceived or had a pregnancy and due to circumstances that are out of her control (umm... not married YET   :P ), will not be conceiving anytime in the near future?

BEE POLLEN- Could someone direct me to a thread with more info on this or tell me more about it here? Does it help control "bad" cravings?

Thanks! :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama September 30, 2006, 04:54:18 PM



. A question about the Supermom vitamins: Are they still good for ladies who have not yet conceived or had a pregnancy and due to circumstances that are out of her control (umm... not married YET   :P ), will not be conceiving anytime in the near future?

Some men take them ;D sooo...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: diaperswyper October 12, 2006, 11:27:09 AM
Is it o.k. to do the liver flush while menstruating?  :P I was going to do it tonight and think i'm also going to start my monthly tonight.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: diaperswyper October 13, 2006, 10:27:27 AM
I did the liver flush last night and i'm either very liver clean or so toxic that i need to do another one. No stones and i mean none. I was convinced i had a toxic liver..............i've done more fun things in my life but if another one would do the trick..............
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. October 13, 2006, 12:30:10 PM
Is it o.k. to do the liver flush while menstruating?  :P I was going to do it tonight and think i'm also going to start my monthly tonight.

That's when I did it....don't know if that's the right answer or not, but to me it felt like a good time to do it because it seemed kind of like a total-body-cleansing-out kind of thing was going on.  I started the cleanse that day, and I'll do it again this month on that day too!  That's just my two cents....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: lovinmy4 October 13, 2006, 12:58:15 PM
Can you do a liver flush/gallbladder flush without a gallbladder? Mine was removed last year and I was wondering what effect a cleanse designed to flush that organ would do to my system if that organ was missing?! Anyone...?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery October 17, 2006, 01:54:37 PM
I am worried about this cleanse.  I drank the first 3/4 c of epsom salt and water at 6:00pm. It tasted soooooooo bad that I was afraid there was something in the jar that maybe didnt get washed out!  Does it taste AWFUL to everyone?  I have had two bm and they are green and yellow, is this normal?  HELP please.  This does not taste like salt to me.  I have done the Master cleanse three times and never had a problem with the sea salt!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. October 17, 2006, 05:45:16 PM
It tastes like POISON, right?  :)  On Hulda Clark's website, she says that you can mix the Epsom salts with fresh squeezed grapefruit juice instead of water ~ which I did for my second try, and I HIGHLY recommend it.  You have to stir it a while to dissolve the salt, and grapefruit seems really expensive to me right now ($1 EACH around here) BUT really worth it!  You can't really taste the epsom salts in the grapefruit juice at ALL although it does sort of leave you with a metallic sort of aftertaste!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mishy October 19, 2006, 03:38:13 PM
I am worried about this cleanse.  I drank the first 3/4 c of epsom salt and water at 6:00pm. It tasted soooooooo bad that I was afraid there was something in the jar that maybe didnt get washed out!  Does it taste AWFUL to everyone?  I have had two bm and they are green and yellow, is this normal?  HELP please.  This does not taste like salt to me.  I have done the Master cleanse three times and never had a problem with the sea salt!

Yep, they taste nasty!!!  Epsom salts are Magnesium Sulfate.  Maybe it is a salt component.  I agree with you.  Shudder shudder, NAAAASTY. :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour October 19, 2006, 05:24:41 PM
 :o :o  Yuck is right!  The second time I did the cleanse I put the epsom salts in grapefruit juice and could still kind of taste it!  UHHH!!  I gagged and gagged the second time around because I knew what to expect.  I will do it again in another week.  UHHH, I dread the epsom salts again!!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: KeepItSimple October 19, 2006, 05:28:36 PM
Boy, you guys are really really making me think that I should just chicken out of the cleanse  ;D  Is it really all that bad???  How much epsom salt:water ratio are we talking??
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. October 20, 2006, 03:18:21 AM
Nah....don't chicken out!  Its 3/4 cup water (or grapefruit juice) to one tablespoon of epsom salt.  You can do it!  Its just a matter of a two-second gulp and its down.  You can handle anything for two seconds.  :P
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mishy October 22, 2006, 05:09:37 PM
Boy, you guys are really really making me think that I should just chicken out of the cleanse  ;D  Is it really all that bad???  How much epsom salt:water ratio are we talking??

LOL!!  Just have another glass of water nearby to rinse and cover the taste.  It is bad and nasty, but over very quickly after a couple of gulps. 
Just think happy thoughts and guzzle as quickly as you can. 

hee hee    ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WithLoveAndJoy October 23, 2006, 02:04:26 AM
The epsom salts weren't my problem, I got through them just fine.  Unfortunately I gagged to the point of giving up with the olive oil.  SO, that will not be happening for me again. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM October 31, 2006, 03:53:05 AM
Anyone tried the  seven day liver flush?                                               http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/Gallbladder_Flush_7_day_program.asp   

With my last two flushes I only passed a few stones and didn't feel any relief. I'm experiencing constant fatigue and galbladder pain. I was thinking of trying the seven day program to see if that would knock anything loose. I read that the apples will help soften the stones so they will pass. I've lost weight and am down to about 93 lbs. I'm feeling desperate to knock something loose so I can eat without pain!

I was also wondering if anyone has tried drinking water after 2pm while doing the flush. I'm nursing right now (she's only four months so I can't wean yet)and always get do dehydrated. Thankfully I'm not having any trouble with my milk supply. I always drink about six cups of mama's milk tea on the mornings that I flush. 

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: KeepItSimple October 31, 2006, 04:16:40 AM
I've lost weight and am down to about 93 lbs.

Maria..They say there is a silver lining to every cloud.  The upside is you're 93 lbs, and you have a 4 mo. old!  That is really awesome.  I have a stony gall bladder and tip the scales at 140+...I 'should' weigh between 105 and 120 depending on whose chart you go by  :)

Only certain foods aggravate my gb, and only certain times.  So far, I've not seen any rhyme or reason to it (other than stress), but can always tell when an attack is coming on.  I've heard of the 7 day flush, and have heard that it really softens things up quite a bit.  I have not tried any flush yet though, still talking myself into drinking oil.  Bleh!  :-X

Will be praying for you!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM October 31, 2006, 09:57:25 AM
I've lost weight and am down to about 93 lbs.

Maria..They say there is a silver lining to every cloud.  The upside is you're 93 lbs, and you have a 4 mo. old!  That is really awesome.  

Yes, I'm very thankful that I've never struggled with being over weight. On the other hand I don't think that looking like a walking skeleton looks too hot either ::)

Has anyone done a liver flush sooner than two weeks apart? I read on curezone to wait two weeks in between flushes. I'd like to do one sooner as the last two didn't offer any relief  and I'm feeling pretty lousy>:(

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM November 07, 2006, 08:28:37 AM

I was also wondering if anyone has tried drinking water after 2pm while doing the flush. I'm nursing right now (she's only four months so I can't wean yet)and always get do dehydrated. Thankfully I'm not having any trouble with my milk supply. I always drink about six cups of mama's milk tea on the mornings that I flush.  



Bump

I'm thirsty :D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: grc November 08, 2006, 09:10:02 AM


I was also wondering if anyone has tried drinking water after 2pm while doing the flush. I'm nursing right now (she's only four months so I can't wean yet)and always get do dehydrated. Thankfully I'm not having any trouble with my milk supply. I always drink about six cups of mama's milk tea on the mornings that I flush.  

Maria

Bump

I'm thirsty :D

I drank water the whole time, I get thirsty a lot too. It didn't seem to make a difference.

GRC
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl November 08, 2006, 10:53:55 AM
I have done the liver flush 7 days apart, but I know this was hard on my liver. I was desperate because I felt like something was stuck and could not eat without initiating an attack. If you can wait 10 -14 days it's far better for your liver. If you can't, you can't.

I also drink water in between the epsom salt doses in the evening. The most important time to NOT drink anything is an hour before or after you drink the oil mixture. The liquid will make the oil float and that can be really nauseating.

happy flushing,

Rebekah
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Tree2know November 18, 2006, 03:58:12 AM
Hello Beeutifulgirl,

Did you (or anyone else out there who has passed stones) use pain medicine to help with the pain?  If not, why?  Thanks for your time.

Tree2know ???
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: InEverything November 18, 2006, 06:07:38 AM
Would this be the recommended procedure for someone with liver cancer?  My husband's 33 year old cousin has a huge tumor in the portal vein(?) of his liver and he may have it in other places.  No medical doctors feel there is anything to do and I have been praying and practically begging for them to explore alternative methods.  So far I have just been recommending milk thistle because it is very safe, easy to find, etc. 
Should I also recommend the epsom salt flush?  Please pray for him as they are not giving him much time.  Also pray for his salvation! 
Thanks!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: SC November 18, 2006, 04:46:52 PM
Would this be the recommended procedure for someone with liver cancer?  My husband's 33 year old cousin has a huge tumor in the portal vein(?) of his liver and he may have it in other places.  No medical doctors feel there is anything to do and I have been praying and practically begging for them to explore alternative methods.  So far I have just been recommending milk thistle because it is very safe, easy to find, etc. 
Should I also recommend the epsom salt flush?  Please pray for him as they are not giving him much time.  Also pray for his salvation! 
Thanks!

InEverything, I'm sorry to hear that your husband's cousin is so very sick.

The liver cleanse is written about by Dr. Hulda Clark in her book The Cure for All These Diseases. She has another book out called The Cure for All Cancers. Based on my well-worn copy of The Cure . . . Diseases, I would think that it would be well worth the $14 to purchase The Cure for All Cancers and give it a good read.

Since this is an aggressive cancer and very serious, you don't want to try a treatment just because it has the word "liver" in it. I don't know for sure if the liver cleanse would be a good approach, but I think you'd find the answer to that question in Dr. Clark's book.

Additionally, you want to be careful what you recommend at this stage because an ineffective treatment could rob you of precious time, be a distraction from his spiritual condition, and cause you to lose credibility -- none of which is productive. So, your task is to learn all you can about the kind of cancer he has and to research effective approaches to dealing with it.

More important than any of the other is that you PRAY. You'll need God's wisdom; and this is one of those times when you don't want to move outside of His leadership. The Great Physician has means and supplies that no man has ever fathomed.

Let us know how he comes along.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: visionarymom December 20, 2006, 11:06:30 AM
My hubby recently started having liver/gallbladder troubles. No severe attacks or anything, just more symptoms showing up more often led us to this conclusion. So we're discussing this flush for him. ( I'll do one first probably, to encourage him). But I was reading at curezone and some other site that you could take chinese bitters and gold coin grass to make it more effective. Apparently  the chinese bitters are to detox and decongest the liver prior to the cleanse, and the gcg is to break the stones down and make them softer for easier passage.

Has anyone here tried these? I read that applejuice/malic acid also soften the stones. Does one work better than the other?

And one more question. Hubby just started taking Milk thistle seed (Silymarian?) that I picked up at the strore (haven't had opportunity to order beeyoutiful's...yet ;)) And I've read that is used to decongest and detox the liver. Does this work as well as the chinese bitters? Didn't do tons of research, but never saw Milk Thistle mentioned by anyone at those 2 sites. Any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

Visionary mom
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: visionarymom December 21, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
bump!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daisey December 21, 2006, 10:34:14 AM
I keep checking back on this thread and don't see where anyone has ever answered the question about doing a gallbladder/liver flush is you don't have a gallbladder.   I think it has been asked a couple of times.    How can we find this out?
Thanks
Daisey
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: visionarymom December 21, 2006, 11:26:31 AM
from all I've recently read at several sites, it is still very beneficial to do this flush without a gallbladder. Apparently even people without gb still get several gallstones out doing this flush. Can't remember specifically which sites said this, but maybe curezone.

VM
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl December 21, 2006, 12:15:40 PM
Yes the liver flush is recommended for anyone - with or without a gallbladder. It cleans out your liver as well, which is the more important organ!

-Rebekah
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WendyinUP December 28, 2006, 08:59:06 AM
My hubby is planning on trying the gallbladder cleanse this weekend.  I ordered some ornithine capsules but they are backordered and I can't find any locally.  Can anyone suggest an appropriate substitute?  I know they aren't a necessity but I am surprised/thrilled that my Mr. Steady/won't-try-anything-new man is willing to give it a try and I really don't want lack of sleep to make this any more of a trial than necessary.

Also, he has a rather poor diet to begin with and I'm having trouble coming up with non-fat foods that I know he'll eat other than fruit.  Everything I think of has at least a gram of fat, including breakfast cereal.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.

One final thing...I am a relatively new member and have been unable to respond to a personal message I received.  Can you help?

Thanks,

Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 28, 2006, 05:14:57 PM
Hi, Wendy!

I can't answer your question about the cleanse, but may be able to help the personal message question.  Did you get the e-mail notification of it?  If so, at the end of that message is a WTM link to go to so you can reply....otherwise, as you go to the site and are logged in, you should see something like this:

Hey, YooperMama you have 16 messages, 1 is new.
,

If you click on that, you should go to your messages page where you can reply.

Hope that helps!   :D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Texas Girl. December 28, 2006, 06:05:47 PM
About the ornithine question...I'm certainly no expert, so anyone, feel free to refute ~ but I took melatonin at night, and that helped me to sleep! 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WendyinUP December 29, 2006, 07:19:13 AM
Thank you for the replies.  I finally did find the ornithine locally (at a little health food store I had forgotten about) so that's covered. 

Yoopermama...I had tried that link when you pm'd me a while back but it wouldn't let me send you a message....now I know why!

Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WendyinUP January 01, 2007, 06:08:07 AM
I am looking for some advice on my hubby's immediate situation and his overall health.

First, the immediate--after coming down with what I believe to be gallstone symptoms about 2 weeks ago I convinced him to try the liver flush this weekend.  He did it Saturday and resumed eating regular foods yesterday afternoon (and plenty of them, although I tried to pace him a bit.)  Meanwhile he has continued to have the gallbladder pain (not sharp, more of a constant discomfort) and is still having very water stools without passing much of anything but water.  He is also starting to feel a bit bloated again.  I've suggested he try an enema...he's thinking about it.  He's never done one (nor have I...I'd have to run to Wal-Mart to get supplies).  Any suggestions?

Now for the background...My wonderful 39 year old husband has been in poor health for as long as I've known him.  He has had psoriasis since he was a kid.  It's bad enough on his legs that he will not wear shorts in public.  He has arthritis.  He has had diarrhea for years.  He has a lot of problems with his back, which I think are mostly from his very physical job.  He has gone to a chiropractor for several years now which seems to have helped some. 

He has always had a poor diet.  He complains if I even buy wheat bread instead of white.  He is very resistant to change (He's a Mr. Steady through and through).  I was surprised he was willing to try this liver flush although he keeps saying if this doesn't help the pain then he's going to the doctor.  He doesn't seem interested in researching any of his issues so I do it for him. 

I feel he could really use a colon cleanse so I want to get him to do that next, although I need to figure out which would be a good one for him.  These fasts and cleanses are very foreign to him.

Oh, I almost forgot.  After reading on here about the leaky gut thing last summer I got him to take the yeast assasin/tummy tuneup...he's been taking that (somewhat regularly) since August.  I think I read somewhere that you could take the omega balance to help heal the gut after the yeast treatment. 

Any advice would be wonderful.  Thank you so much for listening and sharing your experiences for others to learn from.

Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: marymom10 January 01, 2007, 11:38:51 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm new here but I have a couple of things to mention.

I've  read some of the posts and kind of skimmed through some.  Someone asked what to do if you don't have a gall bladder and I've been told that they need to take bile salts.  I'm not sure where you get them but maybe google them.

I also have a caution.  Sometimes the gall stones can get caught in the bile duct as they get into the intestine because that opening is smaller than the opening where the stone release from the gall bladder.  Make sure you soften the stones for a few days before you try to flush.  Apple cider and apples really work to soften the stones.  I try to drink cider evey once in a while to keep things moving and I drink a tablespoon or two of olive oil everyday along with cod liver oil and that probably helps too.

I think some reasons we get stones is if we are constipated.  I have trouble with milk so I stay away from that.  A wonderful, knowledgable chiropractor that we knew told me that simple carbohydrates and even too many whole grains can be a problem also.  I try to make grains only 25-30% of what I eat on my plate.

I hope this is helpful and not redundant.  :)

Mary
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WendyinUP January 01, 2007, 05:28:58 PM
Thanks, Mary.  I just recently read this elsewhere and wish I had heard of it sooner.  I certainly hope my husband doesn't have any stuck stones since I sincerely doubt he'll be willing to try this flush again.  He's very disappointed with the results.

Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 02, 2007, 04:13:38 AM
I had this in the 'are potatoes bad for you' thread, but cut the relevant stuff here for cleansing.  Interesting!  :D  I wonder if the Irish are healthier in this regard, given their relationship w/ the humble potato?   ;)  8)

Drinking potato water can help cleanse your intestines & reduce the amount of acid in the GI system.  Wash & dice a large potato.  Steep overnight in 1 cup of water to which you've added a pinch of sea salt.  Strain & drink the water every morning on an empty stomach.  Repeat for several weeks.

A two-day diet of nothing but potatoes is sometimes recommended to flush excess fluid, & the toxins and waste products that fluid may contain, from the body & help purify the blood.  Simultaneously, the alkaline substances in the potato bind to urid-acid deposits & remove them from the body, thus relieving gout & arthritis. Eat 1 large, plain baked potato w/ the skin 5 times a day for 2 days.  Drink plenty of water.  

A tea made from potato skin can relieve gall bladder problems, thereby enhancing the liver's ability to clear waste products & toxins from the body.  To prepare, peel a large potato and boil the skin in 1 cup of water for 5 minutes.  Strain and drink the brew.  


From my "Complete Guide to Natural Healing Binder"...more on the benefits of the potato in the other thread, and in the gout thread...

Long Live the Potato!   ;D :-*
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt January 02, 2007, 05:27:22 AM
Wendy, look for a hot water bottle.  This comes with an enema tip.  It's perfect for 1/2 quart size enemas.  Also refer to Beka's entries (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,940.msg1317.html#msg1317).  She passed several stones and has her experience listed as to what she did to ease her discomfort and speed up the process.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WendyinUP January 02, 2007, 05:35:56 AM
Thank you, hb.  I asked for a hot water bottle and they didn't have any.  I'll look elsewhere.

Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt January 02, 2007, 03:09:10 PM
Thank you, hb.  I asked for a hot water bottle and they didn't have any.  I'll look elsewhere.

Wendy
Try your local pharmacy (Walgreens maybe ???)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: marymom10 January 03, 2007, 03:11:52 PM
WendyinUP,

How's your husband doing?

M
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: WendyinUP January 03, 2007, 04:56:14 PM
Thanks for asking...my husband's doing much better.   :-[ I hate to admit it but it's looking like I apparently misdiagnosed his troubles.  His doctor feels quite confident that he isn't having gallstone problems at all and that his pain has been from a muscle strain/tear.  I was sure that it was stones considering the location, the bloating, etc.  Plus he has pulled muscles in his back often while working but he said this felt really different. 

His bowels are slowly returning to normal.  What I thought was a stuck stone was apparently merely constipation caused by his body just trying to renormalize after the flush.  I wasn't completely convinced at first but he's feeling so much better today that now I'm okay with it.  I was pretty worried for a bit.  Now I just feel a little foolish but I don't care--I'm just thankful everything turned out well.  He got a good cleaning out in the process so that's a bonus!

Thanks,
Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt January 04, 2007, 05:27:39 AM
Now I just feel a little foolish but I don't care--I'm just thankful everything turned out well.  He got a good cleaning out in the process so that's a bonus!
I wouldn't feel foolish at all.  This could have gone a long way to preventing other problems.  Detoxing the gallbladder also detoxes the liver and I would venture a guess that 99 percent of the population has toxicity in the liver.  When the liver is in need of a cleaning, all other processes in the body will slow to a crawl, including healing.  You probably did him some good in spite of your possible mis-diagnosis.  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: diaperswyper January 04, 2007, 08:02:49 AM
  My dh. was at his nutritionist yesterday and she told him that a coffee enema works  better at flushing your liver than the olive oil and epsom salt one. Any input?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt January 04, 2007, 09:09:13 AM
  My dh. was at his nutritionist yesterday and she told him that a coffee enema works  better at flushing your liver than the olive oil and epsom salt one. Any input?
Probably true.  Caffeine stimulates the gallbladder and liver to squirt bile. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: linemansgirl January 15, 2007, 11:02:13 AM
Well, I did my first cleanse/ flush last night.  A good friend has gallbladder problems & wanted some moral support.  I have never had problems, but was sure that I needed to flush everything out anyways.

I just want to encourage anyone who is a bit scared to do this that it was not bad at all.  I used fresh grapefruit juice & it almost completely neutralized the taste of everything.  I was amazed!!!  I did vomit at about 4:00 am, but that was not enough to deter me from doing it again.  As I said, I have never had gallbladder problems, but did pass a fair amount of "sludge" as they put it.  I will probably do a couple more until I fell like everything is really cleaned out. 

I just hope that this encourages someone else who is a bit timid about giving it a try! :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 15, 2007, 11:13:45 AM
Well, I did my first cleanse/ flush last night. 

I just want to encourage anyone who is a bit scared to do this that it was not bad at all.  I used fresh grapefruit juice & it almost completely neutralized the taste of everything. 

I just hope that this encourages someone else who is a bit timid about giving it a try! :)

That IS encouraging--thank you!   :-*
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: MamaChildress January 16, 2007, 06:27:05 AM
I am trying to do the Water Cure. I am not doing it "faithfully". With 8 kids and a busy schedule...  :-[
I feel like I am "full of it".  :P I feel heavy, sluggish, unhealthy. I am trying to eat healthier, drink my water, cut back on sugar, etc.
I need to lose weight... about 40 pounds would be good.
I am nursing... my baby is 4 months.
The more I am reading about cleanses(I have never done one... so I am SURE I am full of it!  :D  ), the more I am tempted to wean her onto formula and cleanse myself.
I am usually pregnant or nursing  ;D so there isn't a "good" time to cleanse using the stuff that isn't pregnant or nursing friendly.  :-\
But to do a "thorough" cleanse of my organs... shouldn't I wean? My thinking is that maybe I should get myself healthy... but I am feeling some guilt at the thought of putting the baby on formula.  ??? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 16, 2007, 10:56:34 AM
Hi mommyofeight! Frankly I wouldn't wean a baby at four months in order to do a cleanse. I had to start supplementing my first when he was 5 months because of the second pregnancy and I have been so sorry that happened... :-\ You might be able to consider some of the cleanses later on when the baby is older and perhaps starting on solids but not completely weaned??
IMO it really is better to do the simpler things first anyway. Some of these intense cleanses could be a shock/overload to your systems that might do you more long term harm than waiting a bit and doing gentle cleansing w/ foods in the mean time. Really work on the other things that are safe to do while nursing and see how far that gets you. Kefir and kombucha are two very helpful foods in getting your intestines and liver starting to eliminate and function better. I've done some of the intense cleanses now but was surprised at how little "junk" was left in my liver and intestines after several months of planned " food "  cleansing...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: MamaChildress January 16, 2007, 11:55:03 AM
Hi Boysmama!  :) I appreciate you writing.
Cleansing with food? Can you elaborate a bit more?
After I was done with my post, and while feeding my baby... I was thinking "You know, I don't really want to wean her. She is so sweet!"  :)
I do know though, that I want to feel healthy and have more energy for my kids as well as my husband!  ;)
Any more ideas on something that will really WORK so that weaning my baby isn't necessary?  ???
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 17, 2007, 09:36:09 AM
You are already on the right track w/ cutting out sugar and drinking more water. :) Both of those will have huge benefits. Keeping your eliminating systems -Urinary & bowels- moving is extremely necessary to any kind of cleansing...then try to avoid the bad foods - artificial sugars, hydrogenated, rancid or regular vegetable oils, meats w/ residual hormones, pesticide-laden fruits and veggies, and even an excess of good food. If your liver is overworked already it won't have a chance to cleanse.
Lemon juice in water first thing in the morning is very helpful for both the liver and kidneys. If you can't get lemons some folks have used raw apple cider vinegar w/ good results.
Eggs are very good with amino acids, omega fats, and lecithin. Good cholesterol will help cleanse/regulate the bad.
Onions and garlic contain sulphur compounds that help the liver cleanse. They will also help with any parasites which can cause more toxins and even live in the liver :o
I don't remember how cruciferous veggies, like broccoli and cabbage help, but they are also recommended for liver cleansing.
Lots of greens, a green food supplement, or liquid chlorophyll are recommended. I took the liquid as well as eating salads regularly and noticed a difference.
Have you ever heard of the old-fashioned bitters? The easiest to find/use is dandelion root. You can make a tea or just chew on the fresh or dried root. This was easy for me because our lawn has plenty :D and is pesticide/fungicide free. Dandelion really works! and is safe in pregnancy.
When I started drinking kefir first thing in the morning and then doing short kefir fasts/cleanses I noticed that I could feel my liver squirting and then would pass "gravel" or "sludge" that seemed different from a normal BM. I recently did my first coffee enema and with the exact same results ;D so the kefir was helping my liver cleanse!!!
I am not sure if you can do a coffee enema while nursing, but they are definitely more gentle than the epsom/oil cleanse while still really stimulating the liver.
I am very new to kombucha but you can check out the kombucha thread for info on how it helps the liver...I never had any side effects from kombu... but others are. How your body reacts might have something to do with how clogged/fatty your liver is in the first place ???
Healing/Cleansing the liver is very intertwined w/ intestinal health. I think probiotics and omega fats either in supplement or food form would be helpful over all...
I am waiting to see if simply getting my liver clean is going to enable my body to get rid of extra weight/fat ;) Hoping so 'cause dh doesn't hold with dieting (he allows cleansing :)) :D but he likes the slimmer profile  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: 4girls January 23, 2007, 08:30:54 AM
My mom is doing a liver flush from mountain rose herbs. MY mom has hepitis c and is doing ok with this liver flush you do i for 10 days and off for 3 days. On the three days that she is off she gets sick. Can enyone explan why.
                                                                        Thanks 4girls
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 23, 2007, 10:50:31 AM
Just wondering, do most people have alot of pain if they pass stones?  I'm a wimp when it comes to pain!  ::)  But I really want to do this b/c I have some digestive problems and often feel pain near my liver/gallbladder area.  How long is it recommended to take YA and TTU before doing the liver flush?

Also, has anyone done this on a kid?  I have a 4yo and 7yo with major digestive issues and food allergies.  Would it be safe to do it for them?

Thanks,
abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 23, 2007, 04:09:14 PM

Also, has anyone done this on a kid?  I have a 4yo and 7yo with major digestive issues and food allergies.  Would it be safe to do it for them?

I did both the oil/salt cleanse and a coffee enema w/ similar results. IMO the enema is more gentle and it is plain easier. The enema did not hurt at all- just alot of squirting and then several hot BM whereas the oil/salt made me kind of sore for a few days (at least I think it was from the cleanse and not a virus). Not that it was all that painful, just yucky...
I am going to do another oil/salt cleanse at some point to see if it makes a difference, but if I were looking for something for a child I would try the enema or herbs...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 23, 2007, 04:18:56 PM
So, I could do the coffee enema with them INSTEAD OF the salt/grapefruit juice/olive oil and still get the same results?  ???  If they have stones or "sludge" I want them to get rid of it.  How many times would I have to do it before I get results?  I hate doing the enema's to them b/c they hate it and cry.  Then I feel terrible about it!  :'( :'(  Drinking that stuff seems easier for them.  How much could I give them?

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 23, 2007, 04:34:39 PM
I am not sure about what would work best or if the Epsom salt/grapefruit/oil is even safe for the little guys. You would want enough to make the Esalt/oi produce results without overwhelming their little systems...  I just know that some recommend coffee enemas over the oil cleanse because the cleansing action is more direct to the liver without involving/stressing the whole GI system. The coffee enema made my liver squirt almost immediately (within 5 min of the first enema). I did a set of 3 and was able to hold the last one for 15 minutes. I could feel/hear my liver squirting stuff 3x during the 1st and 2nd enema of the set. I felt like the 3rd was unneccessary.
Keep in mind that I had already done 1 oil cleanse and other cleansing such as kefir fasting that was cleansing my liver before trying the coffee enema. Perhaps that has something to do with why I feel like the enema was as effective as the salt/oil flush.... I would do the enema INSTEAD of the E.salt/oil flush if these were my kids.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 23, 2007, 04:40:46 PM
Yeah, that makes sense.  I just feel so bad trying to explain to them why they have to do it.  :-\  Plus, how would I get them to hold it in?  Is there a certain length of time that it needs to be held there?  Also, what kind of coffee and how much?  Sorry for all the questions!  :-\  Their little systems are so messed up and if the liver needs cleansed and it would help their food intolerances I want to do it.  Thanks for the tips.  :)

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: 4girls January 23, 2007, 06:30:08 PM
My mom is doing a liver flush from mountain rose herbs. She has hepitis c, it is a 10 days on and 3 days off and on the 3days off she gets sick can enyone help.?
                                                                         4girls
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 06:05:50 AM
Yeah, that makes sense.  I just feel so bad trying to explain to them why they have to do it.  :-\  Plus, how would I get them to hold it in?  Is there a certain length of time that it needs to be held there?  Also, what kind of coffee and how much?  Sorry for all the questions!  :-\  Their little systems are so messed up and if the liver needs cleansed and it would help their food intolerances I want to do it.  Thanks for the tips.  :)

abbilynn
I am pretty new to coffee enemas so I would suggest that you PM healthyinohio and see if she has some tips and/or do a search on it...you are supposed to have organic, regular roast coffee - no flavored or decaffeinated... there are different ways to formulate the strength- strong coffee and then dilute w/ cool water or infuse the whole enema amount and cool. I also found some say 1 enema for a certain length of time and others say several enemas in a row (sets) are just as good or better. I did sets because I couldn't hold the first ones. :P :-[
Have you considered doing liver cleansing herbs like dandelion, burdock, or milk thistle or a bitters formula? I have never checked them carefully for use in kids  but I think they are fairly safe...these are what my grandma had to take every spring as a tonic ;D
I'll be praying that you have the wisdom to take care of your kids. It is tough to make the decision and then carry it out, especially if you feel insecure as to whether a procedure is necessary or even helpful :'(
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 24, 2007, 06:13:07 AM
Thanks  :)  I'll check on those herbs.  I started the water cure with the kids and I today to see if that helps any.  It's been a long complicated ordeal with their digestive systems and food intolerances.  And I have to find out and research everything on my own b/c doctors don't know this stuff.  Right now the main concern is that their p**p looks like vomit.  :P :P  Undigested food, floaty, and just plain gross!  And with my 4yo his p**p is so tarry and thick that it won't flush, you have to push it down with tp.  Then he'll go from that to the vomit looking stuff 2-3 times a day.  Then back to the tar.  My 7yo's mostly just looks like vomit.  Sorry to be so graphic!!  :o :o :P :P  Anyway, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.  Thanks so much for the tips!

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 06:16:30 AM
Thanks  :)  I'll check on those herbs.  I started the water cure with the kids and I today to see if that helps any.  It's been a long complicated ordeal with their digestive systems and food intolerances.  And I have to find out and research everything on my own b/c doctors don't know this stuff.  Right now the main concern is that their p**p looks like vomit.  :P :P  Undigested food, floaty, and just plain gross!  And with my 4yo his p**p is so tarry and thick that it won't flush, you have to push it down with tp.  Then he'll go from that to the vomit looking stuff 2-3 times a day.  Then back to the tar.  My 7yo's mostly just looks like vomit.  Sorry to be so graphic!!  :o :o :P :P  Anyway, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.  Thanks so much for the tips!

abbilynn
EEEKKK :o sounds like you do have problems :-\ have you tried treating them for yeast? (sound familiar ;) ;D I am sure you have heard that before on this site :D)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 24, 2007, 06:24:48 AM
Yeah,  :-\  we've been treating yeast in the 4yo for about 4 months now.  We've been treating Clostridia (bad gut bacteria) in the 7yo for 4 months and yeast for 1 month b/c his OAT test showed he didn't have yeast, but we think it developed after starting treatment of the Clostridia.  They take strong probiotics and I'm getting ready to switch them to Primal Defense to see if that makes a difference.   They drink Kombucha, eat NO white anything, and are 100% GFCF.  Plus, a long list of IgG allergy foods we have to avoid.  SO.......... you can imagine my frustration!!  >:( :-\ :'(  I just wonder if the liver flush would at least help a little, ya know?  If it won't hurt them, it would be worth the effort.

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie January 24, 2007, 06:49:25 AM

kefir fasting that was cleansing my liver before trying the coffee enema.
I want to do the liver cleanse so bad, but I am a big chicken.  I really don't know if I have problems would just like to do it.  I noticed you said you did the kefir cleanse.  Would you elaborate?  Did you just do kefir? Did you drink it diluted with warm water?  I know Russiabear had mentioned a vegetable pureed soup the russian ladies do.  I wasn't able to get anymore info on that, but I was wondering how you did yours.  thanks.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters January 24, 2007, 07:02:10 AM
I'm also curious if I can do a liver flush with my 2 1/2 yo. Can you do them with kids? Would enemas be more effective/less traumatic? He's ALWAYS hungry, so I don't know how it would go to try to get him to not eat anything after 2pm. Would a kid that young actually have build up of stuff in their liver after only a couple years???

His poo is also as someone described above. Lots of chunks of food in it like they aren't getting digested. And I've been giving him digestive enzymes before meals now for a few weeks. Maybe I need to give more?  He is always constipated & chunky, no tar though...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 24, 2007, 08:00:33 AM
Well, it's been going on now for about, oh, nine months or more.  :o :o  So I think they just aren't digesting properly.  Part of it was the gluten and dairy issues and the IgG food issues.  But we took all that away a long time ago and they still have major problems.  That's why when I started researching about liver/gallbladder flushes and they mentioned food allergies, it made me wonder if the boys' liver/gallbladder isn't working right like it's supposed to.  A few people have mentioned "sludge" type stuff coming from the liver and sometimes that's what the tarry substance resembles - heavy sludge.  With everything we are doing for the intestines to treat yeast and LGS and build the good bacteria, the problem has to be coming from somewhere else in the digestive tract.  Hence my  thinking it is the liver/gallbladder.  I need to figure out the safest way to clean them out, whether it is enema or drinking the salt/grapefruit juice/oil.  Anyone have any ideas?  ??? ???

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 09:37:28 AM
Hi abbilynn, I have been over on curezone poking around for info on the liver flush for kids. Although some have tried the liver flush for little ones it is not recommended for kids under ten or at least seven...I have some questions on the safety ??? Recommended are herbs, apple juice, citrus juice like lemon first thing in the morning and a citrus/olive oil cleanse but different than the Epsom salt/oil cleanse. ??? Here are some links to posts I thought were very relevant- There are other posts that might be helpful if you are up to searching through the site :P I find curezone hard to get around on :P :P
www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=68291#i (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=168291#i)
www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=61984#i (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=61984#i)
Be sure to scroll down far enough that any replies to the posts show up. Some of the replies to these questions are most helpful.
I recommend that anyone interested in liver cleansing check out this site.sensiblehealth.com (http://sensiblehealth.com) She has alot of info on alternate flushes/cleanses using foods and herbs. I couldn't link all that I thought was interesting and helpful but the site is fairly easy to search and navigate.
And here are links on coffee enemas how, why, when...
curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=29&db=5&CO=818 (http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=29&db=5&CO=818)
www.health-information-fitness.com/cleanse/coffee-enema.htm (http://www.health-information-fitness.com/cleanse/coffee-enema.htm)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 24, 2007, 09:47:01 AM
YOU'RE AWESOME.  ;D ;D  When the kids are in bed tonight I'll check those out and see what I can find.  I like researching!  ;D  Thanks so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'll let you know what I come up with after reading them.

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 09:59:40 AM
I do hope you will be able to find something useful. Let us know what you find/decide. I've been thinking of doing some more cleansing w/ my oldest son (2 years) who has mild problems periodically.

I also wanted to add that while I am pro-coffee enemas ;D it might not be advisable in all cases. Also it is NOT recommended to do enemas frequently- as in every day. I think I'll try once a week for awhile as my liver flushes and then seems to build up again(feels full and I feel toxic w/ body odor, poor digestion, etc). I can do once a week with no residual soreness or discomfort and no pain while doing the enema and at that interval I get a good flush of muddy sand each time.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 10:06:55 AM

kefir fasting that was cleansing my liver before trying the coffee enema.
I want to do the liver cleanse so bad, but I am a big chicken.  I really don't know if I have problems would just like to do it.  I noticed you said you did the kefir cleanse.  Would you elaborate?  Did you just do kefir? Did you drink it diluted with warm water?  I know Russiabear had mentioned a vegetable pureed soup the russian ladies do.  I wasn't able to get anymore info on that, but I was wondering how you did yours.  thanks.
Actually I had started this thread welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2730.0html (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2730.0html) on kefir cleansing. If you want any details not included there I'll be glad to share more.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 24, 2007, 10:10:25 AM
Okay, I couldn't wait until they went to bed! lol  :D  I checked the posts on curezone you posted but couldn't find any replies.  I did see some people talking about doing the flush on older kids but no replies on the one about younger kids.  Did I go to the wrong place?  ???  Then I checked out the site sensible health - HELLO!! TONS OF INFO!!  While thinking the kids have liver issues I was also thinking I did also, and now I know I do!  I have ovarian cysts, which she says is from a congested liver.  WOW.  So, I obviously need to do the flush and still figure out a safe way to clean out the kids' livers.  I'll probably do the salt/oil/grapefruit juice and see what happens.  I'll keep searching to see what I can do for the kids.

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 10:46:08 AM
The curezone set up is sort of weird. :P
 When you click on the link you'll see a post. Below the post is a bunch of jazz, a place to post a reply, and a disclaimer and below that but not all the way at the bottom ::) are some bold lines. Some will say RE:whatever and others will have a new subject line. When you get to the big,bold donate to curezone back up...the replies are just above that... As you click on and read through the replies the original/previous/read posts subject lines will appear above the post you are reading and the older/unread posts will be down on the page as I mentioned. Does that make sense? That is why I mentioned it cause it is just plain hard to get around on >:(
I hate trying to use that site....but there is lots of experience/info there....when I come back to welltellme I realize how much I like the simplicity and how blessed we are to have such a user friendly site ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 24, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
  Then I checked out the site sensible health - HELLO!! TONS OF INFO!!  While thinking the kids have liver issues I was also thinking I did also, and now I know I do! 
I thought that site was awesome too. I think we should post a link to that site on some of the  women's health and other chronic illness threads on WTM.  :-\  Get all of our livers quivering :D :D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 04:54:56 AM
boysmama - Okay, lots of things make sense now!  According to the sensiblehealth site, a congested liver can cause ovarian cysts and other female problems b/c the liver is supposed to help get rid of excess estrogen (may not be exact interpretation!  ;)) and when it is not working properly, the estrogen doesn't get flushed out and has to go somewhere.  So, it usually gets backed up and causes cysts on the ovaries or uterus.  When I got to thinking about it, I realized that my liver has probably been "congested" for quite some time, but I didn't have cysts until I started taking my multivitamin - which has "isoflavones" in it!  Also, it seems I have more pain when my estrogen levels are higher during certain times of the month.  Wow, I can't believe it.  I'm sooooo scared to do a liver flush b/c I'm afraid mine is really bad.  :o  Anyway, thanks so much for the site link.  I'm still trying to figure out what would be the safest for the kids.  I don't think the juice/oil/salt would be good for their little tummies.  :P 

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio January 25, 2007, 07:46:21 AM
Hey abbilynn,

So sorry, I didn't see your questions, before.  ;)  I don't know all your kids allergies, so if I recommend something that they are allergic to, I apologize.  Someone mentioned lemon water first thing in the morning.  That is a very good first start to cleansing the body of toxins. 
For small children(what ages are yours, again?) I think milk thistle and dandelion teas are a great place to start.  They actually purge the liver of toxins, just like a coffee enema would.  WARNING:  They taste absolutely dreadful!!  LOL!!  I have to use a mint or RRL to mask the taste and it still is gross.  Good luck finding a way for them to take it!! LOL!! 
Enemas for babies and children are safe, but I am not sure about a "retention" enema(the coffee one).  I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell if a child truly needed to release the liquid or if they were just being a baby.  I wouldn't want to take the chance of misdiagnosing their reactions and having the colon balloon up from holding it too long.  That's just my opinion on the coffee enemas for kids.  Maybe when they are older like around 7-10?  I would only use a cup for that age. 

So, I would hold off for liver flushes at such young ages, but would encourage liver cleansing herbs. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 08:22:27 AM
Thanks Healthy!  Okay, so their ages are 4 and 7.  I definitely think their livers need detoxing!!  Everything I've read so far seems too, um, harsh!  I know their little bellies couldn't handle the juice/oil/salt (I'm wondering if mine will!  :P) and the coffee enema seems too, uh, what's the word, violating?!  ::) ???  I've done a garlic enema on the 4yo before and he freaked out.  It was a horrible thing for us both!  :o :'(  But, you're saying the teas might be just as effective for them?  That would be great!  I've had them drink gross stuff before.  It works okay if I tell them it's a race to see who can drink theirs the fastest!!  ;) :D  So maybe if I mixed it with a good flavor tea and honey they would do it.  So, how much and how often?  Will it help them pass any stones and sludge they may have?  How quickly does it work?  How many days should I give them the tea and how long should I wait in between cleansings?  Sorry for the string of questions!  ::)  Just want to make sure that I do it right so it will work!

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio January 25, 2007, 08:30:48 AM
  I've done a garlic enema on the 4yo before and he freaked out.  It was a horrible thing for us both!

 So, how much and how often?  Will it help them pass any stones and sludge they may have?  How quickly does it work?  How many days should I give them the tea and how long should I wait in between cleansings?  Sorry for the string of questions!  ::)  Just want to make sure that I do it right so it will work!

abbilynn

Sorry you had such a rough beginning with enemas.  Let me ask you:  have you done one before that?  Especially, one on yourself?  It was much easier to administer to my children once I had done a few to myself to really know the "ins-and-outs".

I don't know about the herbal teas(dandelion and milk thistle) removing stones.  It just purges the liver of toxins.  What toxins?  Good question!! 
I don't think that you can overdose on those herb teas, but if your children have a lot of build up of toxins in their livers, then you may want to go slow if they have severe detox symptoms.  Try a cup with every meal and see how they are.  Yes, lots and lots of honey does the trick with my kids, too!!  ;)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 08:37:00 AM
Nope, never done one for myself (or had anyone else do it for that matter!  ::)).  Makes sense though.

Well, I'm going to the HFS tomorrow so I'll see if they have those teas.  I'll start like you said, two or three cups a day.  Maybe even one, since they have bad digestive issues and I don't want to overload them with toxins being released!  And then I'll pray, pray, pray that it helps!!!!!!!  ;D ;D  My fear is that they have stones that won't get passed, ya know.  We'll see.  I'll let you know how it goes in a couple days! 

Thanks,
abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 11:30:35 AM
Healthy - I was just poking around on Bulk Herb Store.  I read that yellow dock root is good for liver congestion and that psyllium seed is good for colon cleansing/diarrhea.  So I was thinking, what if I made them a concoction of yellow dock root, psyllium seed, and milk thistle?  Then maybe that would help treat the p**py problems they're having plus help with liver congestion.  What do you think?  I have VERY LITTLE experience at this type of stuff, but I've been researching my heart out!!  ::)

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio January 25, 2007, 03:05:42 PM
Healthy - I was just poking around on Bulk Herb Store.  I read that yellow dock root is good for liver congestion and that psyllium seed is good for colon cleansing/diarrhea.  So I was thinking, what if I made them a concoction of yellow dock root, psyllium seed, and milk thistle?  Then maybe that would help treat the p**py problems they're having plus help with liver congestion.  What do you think?  I have VERY LITTLE experience at this type of stuff, but I've been researching my heart out!!  ::)

abbilynn

I don't see why it would hurt?!  Enemas will help their bodies expel the toxins quicker.  But if your kids are "scarred for life"  :D  from it, then I wouldn't do another for awhile.  Good luck with it and I will come back to check on the thread to hear how they are doing.  And if I don't I am sure you will remind me! LOL!  ;)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: herbalmom January 25, 2007, 03:25:53 PM
Healthy - I was just poking around on Bulk Herb Store.  I read that yellow dock root is good for liver congestion and that psyllium seed is good for colon cleansing/diarrhea.  So I was thinking, what if I made them a concoction of yellow dock root, psyllium seed, and milk thistle?  Then maybe that would help treat the p**py problems they're having plus help with liver congestion.  What do you think?  I have VERY LITTLE experience at this type of stuff, but I've been researching my heart out!!  ::)

All 3 of these would be very good but I would give the psyllium seed separate. Psyllium is fiber & also binds toxins. If you give the psyllium WITH the herbs it may bind much of the herbs medicinal qualities to itself & you won't get the maximum benefit from any of them. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom   
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 03:33:12 PM
Thanks herbalmom!  ;D  Glad to know that bit of info.! 

Healthy - yeah, I think we'll skip the enema's for right now!  ;) :D  I'm going to order the stuff from BHS tonight and hopefully have them by next week.  And yes, I'll remind you to check back if I remember to post the progress! LOL  :D  I was just remembering today that before we went GFCF my 4yo used to get high fevers for no apparent reason.  When I would ask where it hurt, he always said his back and would point to his middle back.  Makes me wonder if his body was trying to fight toxins in his liver.  ???  I'm anxious to see how this all works out for them.

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 03:50:09 PM
herbalmom - one question: since it's better to do the psyllium by itself, would it be better to do it at night or in the morning?  How much of those herbs can I give them so that it works?

thanks,
abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters January 25, 2007, 05:26:32 PM
herbalmom - one question: since it's better to do the psyllium by itself, would it be better to do it at night or in the morning?  How much of those herbs can I give them so that it works?

thanks,
abbilynn

I'd love to know this too!!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: dara January 25, 2007, 05:50:10 PM
I hope to peruse this thread a little more when I get a chance (have a busy week), but I've never heard of children having sluge or stones! I would not recomend a liver flush for kids, especially such young ones, and I would even be careful with enemas. My DH says the colon is for EXIT ONLY, lol. You don't want to throw their little systems out of balance.
 I have definiely heard of milk thistle and dandelion for kids, esp. those who are ASD, or known to be toxic, but I would start slow, like one cup a day for a couple weeks, then up a little, but then, I would study the herbs themselves so you can get a feel for what they are for, and how they work. Definiely try everything yourself first! Remember, as their guts heal, their natural detox functions will work better as it is. Don't rush it too much. Slow and steady wins the race! Anyway, I have to head to bed, but I hope to study more soon. I am working on some liver detox for myself too, and it seems so slow, but... it didn't get toxic overnight, so I guess I need to be patient too. You can def. do the tea with the kids, AL. Anyway, goodnight!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters January 26, 2007, 07:14:40 AM
I was thinking... How could a 2 1/2 year old have sludge & stones built up? I'm definitely trying everything I can besides doing a flush. I know he has some sort of liver problem. I'm trying to figure it all out. Could it be an overloaded liver? An immature liver? An obstructed liver? Does anyone know anything about liver problems in young kids? (besides newborn jaundice)

Thinking back, at an early check-up (1 yr old) the doc said he looked a little yellow. Said he needed to eat more green veggies (less squash & sweet potatoes). Looking back on it, I bet it was more an indication of his liver needing help. He only had a few small patches of eczema then...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: dara January 26, 2007, 10:26:54 AM
What makes you think he has liver problems? Does he have any symptoms?

I'm waiting to have a book come in at the library about using herbs to treat whole body systems; I'll try to let you know if I find anything helpful for kids...

Oh, and Abbi, sometimes I think we are just going to have to hang in there and wait for their digestive systems to heal (I am thinking about your kids and the BM questions- we've had that too). My kids keep improving with time, and my DH's siblings have really gotten better with age too.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 26, 2007, 10:59:51 AM
herbalmom - one question: since it's better to do the psyllium by itself, would it be better to do it at night or in the morning?  How much of those herbs can I give them so that it works?

thanks,
abbilynn
A while ago I was interested in pysillium and most of the recommendations were for the first thing in the morning - at least an hour before breakfast...had to quit 'cause I am allergic  :P
I think you have made a wise decision on holding off on the flushes and enemas abbilynn  :) I really would worry about doing  things that intense on my little guys but they aren't as seriously compromised so I have more time to figure out other ways...good luck w/ the herbs. I hope they'll help you and the boys. If the teas taste terrible how about a tincture? It would be a smaller amount to get down... I was in a Wild Oats store this week and they had several herbal tinctures for supporting liver cleansing. Almost all of them were primarily dandelion, burdock, and milk thistle.  I was also looking at a chinese bitters formula also...Interesting!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: abbilynn January 26, 2007, 11:58:31 AM
Thanks.  I'm hoping they aren't allergic to anything I ordered.  I ended up getting psyllium, dandelion, and milk thistle b/c the yellow dock root seemed a little too harsh and it said you have to be careful not to use it too long.  I thought the dandelion was a safer bet for them.  If I can't get them to drink the tea, I'll just make a tincture for them.  I'm going to drink the tea also.  I know it takes time and I need to be patient for their systems to heal.  But I also feel like it is my job to research and learn what I can to help them.  God gives knowledge for us to use to help ourselves and our family.  :)  But nothing can be done without Him.  ;D  Patience has never been one of my strengths!  :D  I'm known more for diving into things head first until I feel like I've gotten an answer. LOL  :D  Anyway, I'm moving slow with them, sticking to only things that are natural and gentle.  Thanks so much for all the WONDERFUL and HELPFUL advice!!  ;D ;D

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters January 27, 2007, 09:15:26 AM
What makes you think he has liver problems? Does he have any symptoms?

Oh, and Abbi, sometimes I think we are just going to have to hang in there and wait for their digestive systems to heal (I am thinking about your kids and the BM questions- we've had that too). My kids keep improving with time, and my DH's siblings have really gotten better with age too.

He doesn't digest food well. I see it in his poo. Underneath his eczema rashes his skin has a yellowish tinge. And the liver supporting herbs are helping his rashes. I guess I'm thinking his skin & poo is his main symptom, but I'm still new to this & am continuing to reseach everything. I know his digestive system is out of wack, and I'm thinking his liver is not handling all the toxins well and is sending them back out into the bloodstream to be secreted by the skin. Just a guess.  :-[

It seems it was a vicious cycle of malnutrition leading to indigestion leading to malnutrition. We gave him lots more raw milk (calcium, minerals, enzyme-rich foods, cod liver oil) and his skin is almost all better now.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 02, 2007, 02:26:14 PM
OK, I've been reading and now I'm in the middle of my 1st liver flush.

The grapefruit juice made the Eppies much more bearable...couldn't stomach it cold, though, I like my drinks warmer after that Master Cleanse.  I thought that this drink was better than the salt water flush.   :P

Have a headache, but I deserve it after eating too many Hershey's Kisses last night.   :-[

Going to add a coffee enema, too, but not sure when to do it.  I guess I should have figured that out ahead of time!  Have the coffee saved in the fridge, but I think I'd better warm it up <shudder>.

We'll see what happens...I can tell you this, though...I will not have my colander collecting "things" for me!   :o
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 02, 2007, 04:06:53 PM

I would also suggest(you don't have to, but it will make it easier on your body to eliminate stones) eating maybe fruits 3 days before  your liver cleanse, and also do enemas during this time period.  I got my enema recipes off of www.curezone.com--go under the section called cleansing and then go to bowel cleansing.  There are a few different ones to chose from.  I did the vinegar/water one--real simple--2 TBSP of white vinegar to 2 Quarts of warm water.  I also did the Garlic/Epsom salt enema--Be careful.  This one really cleans you out!!  It's 3 cloves of garlic to 2 TBSP of Epsom salt.  I also used just plain warm distilled water on my third enema.  It's very important that your bowels are to be fully functionable, so they can eliminate toxins and your gall stones properly when you do the liver cleanse.  If the colon is packed, it will not be able to function properly.  

Hey, thanks for adding that...I'm in the middle of my 1st liver flush.  I was wondering when to do the enemas.  I did some coffee ones after the 8 PM drink. 

I'm staring at my oil and grapefruit juice now, wishing it was 10 and I could get it over with! 

Will report tomorrow!   ;)
*************************************
OK, it's technically tomorrow.   >:(

Clearly, I have not taken the ornithine.   ::)

I just threw up (12:30 AM), and my headache is throbbing.   >:(

I downed the oil/grapefruit juice w/i about 30 seconds...maybe too fast.  I was surprised at how decent tasting it was...until the end...I gagged some and refused the last drink.   :P  I slept for 2 hours and here I am.   :(


: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 03, 2007, 02:10:52 AM
What an awful night.  I'm not sure I prepped for that flush very well. Should have started 1-2 days before w/ a fruit and veggie/liquid diet.  I threw up a 2nd time and slept restlessly 'til Caleb climbed in at 5:30, all wet.   :(

I think that the ornithine (or something for sleep--catmint, chamomile) would have helped.  Didn't do the Black Walnut, but have been on anti-parasitic stuff for a long time, on and off.  I'm so thirsty on this!

Drank Eppie cocktail #3 at 6:30 and it stayed down.  #4 in another hour and a half and then we'll start the juice.  Haven't passed anything yet....Felt a rumble once in my abdomen, but nothing else...not like the "trail of marbles rolling through" or whatever the site said I might feel.   ::)

At least the headache's gone!  :)

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 03, 2007, 04:56:29 AM
Wow! That sounds absolutely awful!! 
I hope you feel better soon.  I guess some bad stuff is coming out   ???
I hope someone can offer  you some advice.  I have not ever done this.  Good for you for sticking with it.
Stacy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 03, 2007, 05:20:15 AM
Thanks, Stacy!   :-*

I wonder how much stuff will come out, given I threw up much of it 2 1/2 hours after drinking it.   :(  I'm certainly eliminating stuff,  :P but who knows how much is actually from my liver. 

I'm ready to eat!   ;D 

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 03, 2007, 05:32:08 AM
I bet you are ready to eat.  This cleansing stuff can be hard!!

Have you  heard of Sandra Cabot?  She has a book called the Liver Cleanse Diet.  It was absolutely huge in Australia about 10 years ago (When I still lived there).  I guess it is a slower way to flush the liver and not so painful  :P.

She has a website:  http://www.liverdoctor.com/ 
The website has some info on liver detoxification.

She does have another book now called The Liver and Bowel Book.  They are both interesting and have some good recipes. You can get the both in amazon.com

She has a product called Liveatone that we have enjoyed in the past.
Here is the info on it:

Livatone Liver Tonic Powder 200gm

Per one tsp = 3.3gm

    * Psyllium Husk Powder 924mg
    * Milk Thistle Seed Powder 330mg
    * Taurine 165mg
    * Dandelion Root Powder 330mg
    * Globe artichoke powder 165mg
    * Slippery Elm Bark Powder 82.5mg
    * Lecithin 330mg
    * Barley leaf powder 198mg
    * Beetroot powder 99mg
    * Carrot powder 99mg
    * Alfalfa Herb 82.5mg
    * Peppermint leaf 165mg
    * Contains no Lactose, table salt, dairy products, gluten, fillers, artificial colors, flavors or preservatives.

I haven't researched it a whole lot, but just thought I'd put it out there. 
Stacy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 03, 2007, 09:20:49 AM
Thanks again, Stacy!

I haven't heard of her, I think, but am enjoying her web site.  I did the Master Cleanse last month as my inaugural "cleanse".   ;D  Should have started w/ the liver cleanse, 1st, I think--much shorter!   ;D

I am passing stones, so I know that it worked somewhat.   :)  I'm sure I'll do it again--I've used corticosteroid creams for 20+ years for eczema...along w/ all the junk food of ages 0-?   ::)  I had pre-eclampsia in '99, too, so that was a huge (late)sign of my body's toxicity.  Beeyoutiful girl has done like 8 or more.   She said that they didn't start becoming effective until 5-8, I believe. 

I'm on Yeast Assassin now and probiotics...hoping to get a healthy colon...I was on antibiotics at birth for e. coli meningitis and wasn't breastfed.  Not a good start.   :(
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters February 07, 2007, 08:31:11 AM
Check this out you guys!

http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report.asp?story=The%20IP6%20Rice%20Bran%20Cleanse&catagory=Chelation,%20IP6

PS - This article talks of IP6 cleansing heavy metals, kidneys, heart, arteries, liver, colon, brain, & gallbladder!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 07, 2007, 11:09:42 AM
April,

Thanks for your continuing research!  I will check it out later...interesting!     :)

My calves and hands are almost clear...just upper arms and a neck patch continues to be pink and irritated.  My eyes are sure changing color, too--blueing up.  Hmmm
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: CNM2B February 12, 2007, 07:26:25 PM
OK, who's done this cleanse once and that's been enough? Do you have to do it multiple times to get "clean"? Is the cleanse for the liver and gallbladder together - that's what the topic implies, but I only seem to see people discussing liver.
   I don't wanna do it..... I don't want to get sick to my stomach..... :-X
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: DawnsEarlyBirds February 13, 2007, 02:44:20 AM
OK, who's done this cleanse once and that's been enough? Do you have to do it multiple times to get "clean"? Is the cleanse for the liver and gallbladder together - that's what the topic implies, but I only seem to see people discussing liver.
   I don't wanna do it..... I don't want to get sick to my stomach..... :-X
My husband did it once years ago and had great success.  Last summer he did multiple times and hardly got anything, so it may not have been what he needed.

The reason you see the liver and not the gallbladder discussed is because gallstones originate in the liver, not the gallbladder.  They should more appropriately, IMO, be called liverstones.  This is proved when people who have had their gallbladder removed do a liver cleanse and pass "gallstones" as a result.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Farm Wife February 13, 2007, 06:12:44 AM
Hi, I have been researching this whole "cleansing" thing and I'm very troubled by what I have found.  :-[
QUACKWATCH web site set up by Mayo clinic has actually studied it and says QUACK!!! There are no controlled studies by the people making and selling the products nor any holistic health practitioners????  ???This site says the stones you all are seeing from the cleanses are formed by the items you ingest and the order and have been ingested and were NOT stones. search: Respectful Insolence (a.k.a. Orac Knows) Better late than never Ask EneMan!
This site also is very informative: www.livescience.com
I searched google using colon cleans dangers, need colon cleanse and other variations and found a lot of debunking going on. ???
God designed our bodies to cleanse out toxins through the liver etc. why would that process need our help. Cleanses like these do not seem natural nor healthy to me???
Troubled, Susan
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Raquellynn February 13, 2007, 06:40:17 AM
I was wondering, do you use only all natural food?  Because when God created us He put us in a garden of all natural food not in a supermarket that is only concerned with selling and prolonging the shelf life.  The reason that the cleanses are good for you is because these days we no longer eat healthy it's all about what taste the best. Sugars and Starches that are full of MSG which is a product that causes addiction and also causes you to be fat. I have read a book by Kevin Trudeau called "Natural cures they don't want you to know about." and also his second book called "More natural cures revealed" and I would highly recommend that you read it and see exactly how are government and FDA really work.  Because of all the unnatural things we put in our body we have to occasionally clear it all out. God never intended us to put these kinds of things in our bodies. 
 ;D blondierld
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: dara February 13, 2007, 08:13:15 AM
There are now more than 400 known Toxic Substances in our environment that were not present before WW2, when world govs started researching the potential for chemical warfare, and pesticides and chemical fertalizers began to be used excessively. I don't imagine God designed our bodies to become overloaded with toxins in the way they are today. Things are not going as they did in Eden. I think it is amazing that we can even find a way (cleansing) to help our bodies rid themselves of this taxing burden of toxins. And since many people (myself included) are suffering health problems (that were not common a hundred years ago) that can be resolved through the removal of toxins and the rejuvinating of organs, it seems to bear the burden of antedotal proof for many individuals. I don't know about anyone else, but I have instinctively known there is something wrong with my body not functioning as it should since I was an older child. I have thanked the Lord for providing some answers to questions I couldn't figure out how to ask. Just my two cents.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Farm Wife February 13, 2007, 09:50:28 AM
Speak of the devil... I have Kevin Trudeau's book "Natural Cures" updated version (which is same as his last book :P) which is what has sparked my quest. He is a nut case on many things which makes doubt other things he says. Search his name and there is a lot of people even holistic that doubt his claims and he offers no proof of most of his claims. There are several web sites dedicated to 300-3,000 complaints from individuals who bought his book? ???
I eat mostly natural, whole grains, some organics, no sugar, cut out fake sugars and a few other things and avoid packaged foods. We have  a dairy, drink raw milk and make our own dairy products meat and grow some other foods. I have been eating this way for years and just do not think I need to "cleanse" but according to him everyone should??? I have no heath problems except for sinus problems.
I do think some of these books a cashing in on scaring people to death and the Lord doesn't want us to fear.
I agree there are modern dangers and ailments but there is no proof that cleansing works and there are people damaging their health and worse from these treatments.  :'(

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: dara February 13, 2007, 10:00:49 AM
there is no proof that cleansing works

How do you know that? There is antedotal evidence, at least, plus the hundreds of autistic children who have been helped by mercury chelation/cleansing, among many others, whose improvement and 'healing' has been well documented. But I am hoping I don't sound argumentive. I appreciate both sides being presented.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama February 13, 2007, 11:16:35 AM
This site says the stones you all are seeing from the cleanses are formed by the items you ingest and the order and have been ingested and were NOT stones.
I do not want to start a debate and I do think it is necessary to review carefully what health practices we follow. Everyone must understand their own bodies and the cleanse they are considering because every aspect of life involves risk... each must take personal responsibilty.
However if you want to search a bit more you will find that there are folks who have done this cleanse and had the stones analyzed at labs to confirm that they were gall stones and not simply oil and bile. I too was skeptical until on a different subject I found Quack Watch to be totally inaccurate. I then began to look harder on my own and found what I consider to be sufficient proof that the liver/gallbladder cleanse has indeed  flushed actual gallstones.
I do not want to convince anyone. Just wanted to state my opinion after having been at the same place as Susan is now.  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie February 13, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Hm, I know of people too who have had gallbladders removed and continued to have the same problems or worse.  Although some do feel better but they are never the same.  They still have to watch what they eat.  I guess I might want to try a cleanse b/f I had an organ removed from my body.  My two cents.  :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: kamom February 13, 2007, 11:28:47 AM
  My sister's MIL saved some of her stones and they are indeed stones. Something that hard and stonelike could not develope from oil and bile.
  I personally have benifited from the liver flush after having gallstone symptoms and passing a bunch of stuff. I did not examine the results but was pain free after that. (Pain episodes would accure after fatty food meals etc.)
 I think the proof is in the pudding! ;)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Farm Wife February 13, 2007, 02:40:59 PM
This site says the stones you all are seeing from the cleanses are formed by the items you ingest and the order and have been ingested and were NOT stones.
I do not want to start a debate and I do think it is necessary to review carefully what health practices we follow. Everyone must understand their own bodies and the cleanse they are considering because every aspect of life involves risk... each must take personal responsibilty.
However if you want to search a bit more you will find that there are folks who have done this cleanse and had the stones analyzed at labs to confirm that they were gall stones and not simply oil and bile. I too was skeptical until on a different subject I found Quack Watch to be totally inaccurate. I then began to look harder on my own and found what I consider to be sufficient proof that the liver/gallbladder cleanse has indeed  flushed actual gallstones.
I do not want to convince anyone. Just wanted to state my opinion after having been at the same place as Susan is now.  ;D

I never have been one to do something because everyone else is even if I trust the person. It seams so hard to pin down the "truth" about anything these days and there are two sides to this whole subject, which makes me think a little of both may be true? I also believe God who designed our bodies saw the future and toxins, isn't he all knowing? ;D I practice a lot of home remedies and am by no means a believer that Dr's. and hospitals are always right, but also don't believe ALL the conspiracy theories, again balance...
Anecdotal stories are just that... ??? I like studies when it comes to health (although they are wrong too!!) Quandry!!!
Susan
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Raquellynn February 15, 2007, 03:46:38 PM
Well I think that it is great that you are doing all the right things and eating the right foods, but not everyone does and in this day and age unless you live on a farm it is really hard to eat the right food. It has been proven thought that these cleanses and herbal remedies are working.  Many people I know do them and they are doing great. If the only problem you have is sinuses then you are obviously eating right and that's great.  I have a lot of problems that have stemmed from idiot Dr's who have nearly prescribe me things and I was stupid to take them, but now I am doing better because of Kevin Trudeau.  There are a lot of people out there that do support him and there are a lot of people out there that don't, but unless you try his remedies and see for yourself how can you judge him? Anything that comes out is going to have complaints by lots of people you just have to do what you think is right and try it before judging it (of course I mean only things like herbal remedies that aren't harmful to you).  God did see the future and that is why he put all of the remedies for us in our gardens.  He knew that we would really need them. If you remember God made man perfect so there wouldn't be any diseases so why then would he make those herbs if Adam and Eve didn't need them? He could see the future. If you are healthy and don't really have any problems then thats great and maybe you don't need the cleanses, but for most us who can't afford to buy all organic food and have to eat other things that aren't so healthy need to do them.  I sure wish that I lived on a farm, it would be great!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 16, 2007, 05:12:48 PM
I posted this on Oil-Pulling, but wanted to put it here, as it deals w/ detox/liver/skin rashes:
*****************************************************************
 Re: Oil-pulling, Anyone?
« Reply #85 on: Today at 10:08:55 PM » by YooperMama

Finally finding some encouraging stuff on detox/skin rashes: (sorry so lengthy) from:  http://www.webdeb.com/detox.htm

Quote
SKIN RASHES 
Returning to the symptoms which occur on a superior nutritional program, people who have had tendencies in the past to recurring skin rashes or eruptions will frequently tend to eliminate poisons and harmful drugs through the skin with new rashes or eruptions. If they go to a doctor now who is not familiar with this aspect of nutrition, he will diagnose it as an allergy.

They ask. "How come. I'm eating better now than I ever did before, and instead I'm getting worse?" They don't understand that the body is retracing.

The skin is getting more alive and active. It's throwing out more poisons more rapidly now that the body is building more power which is saved from those hard-to-ingest meals which have been discontinued.

TOXINS DISCARDED 
These toxins being discarded are saving you from more serious disease which will result if you keep them in your body too much longer - possibly hepatitis, kidney disorders, blood disease, heart disease, arthritis, nerve degenerations or even cancer - depending upon your hereditary or structural weaknesses. Be happy you're paying your bills now in an easy-payment plan.

MILD OR SEVERE SYMPTOMS 
You may he eating perfectly in regard to quantity, quality and observing all the correct rules, and still symptoms will occur. Those who have lived better lives in the past - who have eaten better foods and who have abused their bodies less with overeating will have reactions ranging from almost none at all or very mild symptoms which may be uncomfortable or acute.
Those who have lived worse lives and poisoned themselves more will experience more severe symptoms - if their liver, kidneys, or other important eliminating organs have been damaged. When they have been renovated to the point of fair working order, they will no longer produce symptoms.

EXAMPLES 
Headaches may occur at the beginning:
fever and/or colds may also appear:
the skin may break out;
there may be a short interval of bowel sluggishness,
occasional diarrhea.
feelings of tiredness and weakness,
disinclination to exercise,
nervousness, irritability, negativity or mental depression,
frequent urination etc.

However, the great majority of people find their reactions tolerable and are encouraged to bear with them, because of the many improvements which have already occurred and are becoming more evident with each day. This acts as an inspirational force to them.

SYMPTOMS WILL DIFFER 
The symptoms will vary according to the materials being discarded, the condition of the organs involved in the elimination and the amount of energy you have available. The more you rest and sleep when symptoms are present, the milder they are and the more quickly they are terminated. Be happy you are having symptoms.

YOUNGER AND HEALTHIER EVERY DAY 
Realize deeply that your body is becoming younger and healthier every day, because you are throwing off more and more wastes which would eventually have brought pain, disease and much suffering.

Those who have the worst symptom-reactions and follow through to their successful termination are thus avoiding some of the worst disease which would eventually have developed had they continued their careless eating habits.

CYCLICAL IMPROVEMENT 
Don't expect to go on an ascending scale of quality, that improving your diet will make you feel better and better each dax until you reach perfection. The body is cyclical in nature. and health returns in a series of gradually diminishing cycles.

For example: you start a better diet and for a while you feel much better. After some time, a symptom occurs - you feel nauseous for a day and have diarrhea with a foul-smelling stool. After one day you feel even better than before and it goes fine for awhile. Then you suddenly develop a cold, feel chills and lose your appetite. After about two or three days (assuming you don't take drugs or do anything else about it), you suddenly recover and feel better than you did for years.

Let us say this wellbeing continues for two months, when you suddenly develop an itch or rash. You don't take anything special for it. This rash flares up, gets worse and continues for ten days, and suddenly subsides. Immediately after this you find that your hepatica is gone and your energy has increased more than ever before. The rash became an outlet for the poisons in the liver which produced the hepatitis.

DOW JONES RECOVERY CYCLES 
This is how recovery occurs - like the cycles in the Dow-Jones Average at the beginning of a bull market recovery.

You feel better, a reaction occurs and you don't feel as well for a short while. You recover and go even higher. Then another reaction occurs, milder than the last. You recover and go even higher. And so it goes, each reaction milder than the last as the body becomes pure.
Each reaction becoming shorter in duration and being, followed by a longer period of feeling better than ever before, until you reach a level plateau of vibrant health.
Here you become relatively disease-free.

CONCLUSION 
We must learn to obey the laws of Nature. We must learn to eat simple pure and natural foods, properly prepared and combined, and our bodies in return will cast off all the poisons we have taken in during our lives.

The mysteries of the body, the operations of nature, the vital forces working in nature are far beyond what our minds are prepared to understand at present.
Every great physician or scientist who ever lived marvelled in awe and humility at the wonders of nature. Yes - we are "fearfully and wonderfully made."

(Stanley S. Bass, 1984)


P.S.  A heating pad feels really good on the itchy belly!   
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt February 17, 2007, 06:40:30 AM
Pennie,
 Sorry, I don't realy have an answer for you. IMO it wouldn't be a good idea since children are still growing and need to get proper nutrients. Maybe some older wiser mon will have some insight.
  Interesting update from my DH   ;D ;D
 He went on to do 9 days of the MC. Then in the afternoon of the 9 day he decided that he wanted to eat! Well, he wouldn't listen to my advice about slowly easing into eating, broths etc. He wanted FOOD ;D so I cooked him some carrots, cabbage, onions and peas, flavored with olive oil and sea salt, which he ate with relish. Then I went out for groceries and while I was gone he finished a jar of peanuts that he found,this wasn't nearly full ::) ::)  When I got home he ate a big salad for supper :o :o
 I went to bed before he did and the next morning he told me he passed a whole bunch of green marbles :o :o He wondered if they were gall stones. I cannot figure out what happened that caused him to do this. This is the same stuff I passed on the liver flush, but he did not do the liver flush. One thing I do want to mention is that he had been using epsom salt to flush out in the morning, instead of sea salt. It worked just as well as far as flushing him out. I fill six capsules and he would wash it down with a HUGE glass of water.
  Has anyone else had these results from the MC??  By the way ending his cleanse with all those veggies didn't seem so bad after all. If thats what caused the gallbladder cleanse! :D :D
The peanuts are full of fats, and if he'd been doing epsom salts, his biliary ducts were relaxed and open any way. He did a liver flush with the peanuts! LOL - good for him!

How is he feeling today? Make sure he takes lots of probiotics, and still continues with lots of liquids. Once the body begins detoxing, it likes to continue, even if it is at a slower rate. If he quits drinking water now, he'll get sick as the moving toxins will pile up instead of passing through.

Rebekah
Does this mean I could do a liver flush with peanut butter instead of olive oil.   ;D  (hopeful).
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl February 17, 2007, 07:09:12 AM
Probably. It might be a little harder on your digestive tract, but it would probably work if you do it with the Epsom salts and grapefruit juice. Let us know if it does! ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM February 17, 2007, 07:13:53 AM
I've been thinking about doing a cleanse with cream. I saw a recipe on curezone. I'm starting to associate the smell of olive oil with the nausea of cleansing and just the smell makes me gag. Anyone else tried different fats?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie February 24, 2007, 06:28:32 AM
So how many of you have done this w/o zapping the parasites first? And did it make you sick?  AND would taking garlic do the job or would you need to buy a parasite cleanse?  Which then I guess you would have to wait to stop breastfeeding for.  I'm really anxious do cleanse my liver/gallbladder. I am wondering if that is behing my overweight issues. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Pennie February 24, 2007, 08:21:32 AM
So how many of you have done this w/o zapping the parasites first? And did it make you sick?  AND would taking garlic do the job or would you need to buy a parasite cleanse?  Which then I guess you would have to wait to stop breastfeeding for.  I'm really anxious do cleanse my liver/gallbladder. I am wondering if that is behing my overweight issues. 
bump
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 24, 2007, 09:39:20 AM
I didn't do a specific parasite cleanse...I had been on Herbal Fiberblend for so long that I figured I had zapped any.   ::)

Granted, my lone liver flush earlier this month I threw up most of it, but I think I drank it too quickly. It went well otherwise (i passed the green stones and then my liver seemed to work better--my rashes worsened.  I took it as a sign that it was eliminating stuff better.).

You can do Sandra Cabot's 8 week Liver Cleansing Diet safely, I think, w/o much trouble.  Much gentler way to start.  I wish I had started w/ that before the MC or liver flush. 

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: hollyolly123 March 08, 2007, 07:31:37 PM
Has anyone done  a liver cleanse successfully with a younger child?  My DD is almoast three and I suspect gall stones... :'( she is somewhat yellow, though not her eyes, and has been complaining of pain at her liver.  I've been giving her dandilion tea and yellow dock but I think she's blocked up.  I can't imagine putting her through the cleanse on curezone.  But I will if I have to.  I'm hoping there's a gentler way for her.  Anyone heard of something to dissolve the stones?

I'm convinced the vaccinations she recieved after birth caused her jaundice, especially the hepatitis one (hepatitis kills your liver- this is my logic) and she's never totally lost the yellow tinge.  Please help us, she's in pain, grouchy, and yellow, and her skin is breaking out again, although not with eczema.  She is having a yellow crusty discharge behind her ears, in one armpit, and on her scalp.  Arg!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 09, 2007, 04:52:20 AM
Has anyone done  a liver cleanse successfully with a younger child?  My DD is almoast three and I suspect gall stones... :'( she is somewhat yellow, though not her eyes, and has been complaining of pain at her liver.  I've been giving her dandilion tea and yellow dock but I think she's blocked up.  I can't imagine putting her through the cleanse on curezone.  But I will if I have to.  I'm hoping there's a gentler way for her.  Anyone heard of something to dissolve the stones?


I would not do it.  I just did my second flush last night & both times it has made me feel very sick.  It does work though.  I wouldn't put my little girls through it though, I would stick with gentler methods for now.  JMHO.  Apple juice or cider are supposed to help dissolve the stones.  There is also a flush out there where that is all you drink for a week to 10 days.  Maybe drinking some daily would help her.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters March 09, 2007, 08:33:54 AM
Has anyone done  a liver cleanse successfully with a younger child?  My DD is almoast three and I suspect gall stones... :'( she is somewhat yellow, though not her eyes, and has been complaining of pain at her liver.  I've been giving her dandilion tea and yellow dock but I think she's blocked up.  I can't imagine putting her through the cleanse on curezone.  But I will if I have to.  I'm hoping there's a gentler way for her.  Anyone heard of something to dissolve the stones?

I'm convinced the vaccinations she recieved after birth caused her jaundice, especially the hepatitis one (hepatitis kills your liver- this is my logic) and she's never totally lost the yellow tinge.  Please help us, she's in pain, grouchy, and yellow, and her skin is breaking out again, although not with eczema.  She is having a yellow crusty discharge behind her ears, in one armpit, and on her scalp.  Arg!

Hi, I think you might have read about my son's accidental "liver flush". After the main "flush" episode meals high in oils/fats pained him. I think we introduced them back in too soon. But after several days, he wasn't having the "bile duct" pains anymore.

All that to say, I'm glad it got flushed out, but I was feeling my way and didn't even really understand what was happening in his body till afterwards. So, I would do one again on him if necessary, if I've exhausted all my other resources... I don't think it would have been so hard on him if I had him on a better "cleanse/flush" diet during that time.

Right now I'm trying to figure out why the liver stress, and what can I do to help him. I've traced it back to malnutrition and bad digestion. Perhaps too many complex carbs in his diet. Right now I'm researching hypoglycemia, b/c there seems to be a link to that with my son. After the flush he switched from drinking tons of water daily and peeing A LOT, to not ever wanting water, only fresh fruits like blueberries & cranberry juice, raisins, figs... about to post more on my thread...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: MotherOfBlessings March 09, 2007, 01:54:27 PM
I wish I had known about this years ago.  I woke up one day and was yellow as a crayola crayon.  Dr said there was no alternative but to have my gallbladder removed.   :(  So I did.  :(

I was told my body would adjust to this but never did.  I still can not eat until I am full.  If I ever feel full my liver will go into bile over drive and I will spend the next hour doing sprints to the bathroom.  Not fun.

So I hope all of you can cure your issues naturally.  I do not wish what happen to me on anyone.  Many complication arose form my hospital stay too.  >:(
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: hollyolly123 March 09, 2007, 03:58:20 PM
Thanks colefam, so your a military family too!  I just read something about chaparral being able to dissolve stones... I've taken her off grains and her dispositon and energy have improved (boy is it expensive to keep her fed now though!)  Now she has a terrible rash on her bum and we're not doing anything different aside from no grains/ lots of blueberries and other fruits.  Going back to read your thread Likemanywaters.....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daisey March 09, 2007, 04:01:22 PM
I wish I had known about this years ago.  I woke up one day and was yellow as a crayola crayon.  Dr said there was no alternative but to have my gallbladder removed.   :(  So I did.  :(

I was told my body would adjust to this but never did.  I still can not eat until I am full.  If I ever feel full my liver will go into bile over drive and I will spend the next hour doing sprints to the bathroom.  Not fun.

So I hope all of you can cure your issues naturally.  I do not wish what happen to me on anyone.  Many complication arose form my hospital stay too.  >:(



Ditto!!!!!   They never tell you about the bile over drive when you are going in for gallbladder surgery.   Unless there is no other option I would never recommend anyone get their gallbladder out.   
Even if you can't flush the stones out there is the option of having the stones ultrasonically crushed and flushed out.   Wish I had had that done instead of surgery.
Daisey
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters March 09, 2007, 04:38:58 PM
I'm convinced the vaccinations she recieved after birth caused her jaundice, especially the hepatitis one (hepatitis kills your liver- this is my logic) and she's never totally lost the yellow tinge.

I have also suspected my son's vaccinations to be the culprit. His eczema started shortly after his 6 month round of shots (no more for us  :P). I wonder if it was specifically the Hep B shot? It might have also been his liver overloaded in general from the 2, 4, and 6 month shots all combined (all the JUNK that is in them). If your liver filters your blood, and the immunizations are injected directly into the bloodstream, then any junk in them would go strait to the liver for filtration, right?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: DHW March 09, 2007, 04:46:11 PM
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/liver.html

This website has some very good info on liver/gallbladder problems plus a lot more.  She recommends Gold Coin Grass plus dandelion to gently crush stones and strengthen the kidneys.  She says liver, gallbladder and kidneys are all closely related, and stagnant kidneys can cause stones.  She does not recommend a liver flush (too harsh), but a slow and steady approach.  Even so, apparently many people begin to feel relief pretty quickly.

Has anyone tried the Gold Coin Grass tincture?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: littlemama24 March 13, 2007, 08:35:09 AM
I think I'm going to try the cleanse.  I've been having what I think are gallstones.  I had similar pains last June (while I was pregnant) and the doctors convinced me to have my gallbladder taken out endoscopically.  I was clueless and so I did.  (It did not disrupt the pregnancy as far as I know.)  I wasn't in that much pain, it was more like a sudden awareness of my internal organs and that startled me enough to go in to the doctor.  Anyway, they never did mention finding stones they just said they were amazed that I had never been in before and that I wasn't writhing in pain because it (my gall bladder) was very sick.  The surgeon actually said he'd never seen one that yucky.  Anyway, I hadn't experienced any problems for awhile but now that "awareness" pain is back and increases when I eat especially if it is something fatty (like bacon).  I can only assume it is stones. 

I am hoping the liver cleanse will help and not hurt because we don't have insurance and I've been under the knife more this year than I've ever cared to be.  I do NOT want to see my doctor any time soon. 

Should I be worried about something else? Could it just be scar tissue?  I'm thinking not.

Thanks for all the input.
-Amanda
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daisey March 13, 2007, 08:42:30 AM
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/liver.html

This website has some very good info on liver/gallbladder problems plus a lot more.  She recommends Gold Coin Grass plus dandelion to gently crush stones and strengthen the kidneys.  She says liver, gallbladder and kidneys are all closely related, and stagnant kidneys can cause stones.  She does not recommend a liver flush (too harsh), but a slow and steady approach.  Even so, apparently many people begin to feel relief pretty quickly.

Has anyone tried the Gold Coin Grass tincture?
Daisey


I have never heard of this but read the site.  Thanks for the info.   I have started using liquid chlorophyll, milk thistle and am looking into some alfalfa leaf powder hoping I can come up with something mild to use instead of do a severe flush.  I'm so hesitant to do a flush!   Don't want to end up in ER and having the Dr. recommend some kind of surgery.   
Anyway, if the above doesn't help I think I will seriously consider the Gold Coin Grass tincture.   Hope I don't have to go that route because it is kind of spendy.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: savedbygrace March 24, 2007, 06:14:56 PM
Ok, I tried to read the whole thread but its sooooo long! I was just wondering what the stones were like. When I did the liver flush, I passed hundreds of floating "stones". I guess I am skeptical. It didn't hurt at all. The "stones" were softish. They were green and when I broke them apart they were green and looked crystallized inside. I thought they would be hard. I am thinking it is just the oil, grapefruit and maybe some bile coagulated together that I passed. I have jaundice in my eyes when I get sick and all of my babies were jaundice for a while after birth. I want to clean out my liver but I don't want to get sucked into doing endless cleanses if they are fake. What do you think? How do I know if what I am passing is really stones or not?

I need to add that I took yeast assassin for a few weeks before I did my cleanse. But I did no "zapping". I didn't use the HCI to sterilize the concoction. I didn't use organic grapefruit. I didn't use ozonated(?) olive oil. I didn't take the ornithine natural sleeping pills. It worked, like I guess it was suppose to, but I just don't really believe that it was stones.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Naomismama March 25, 2007, 04:42:18 PM
Ok, i have a few questions about this subject!!!!
I just got done reading the thread about mole removal because I have a lot of moles! Someone posted on there that moles can be a result of poor liver health. I wanted to read through this thread but it is SOOO LONG!
I have had liver problems in the past. Ever since I was a kid I have always had trouble keeping my bowels moving regularly. (I was raised unhealthy, ate a SAD, vaccinated, formula fed, on antibiotics a lot, etc) I had late onset pre-eclampsia with my daughter and I know poor liver function has a lot to do with that. I really want to do a liver cleanse but I am nursing right now and don't see weaning anywhere in the near future. We also don't practice any form of family planning other than nursing so I am kind of expecting to be nursing and or pregnant for quite a while. Is there anything safe I can do to clean my liver? My daughter is 16 months old and even though I am still not menstruating I know it will probably start up again soon and this stuff is really on the forefront of my mind. I want to do something about my liver before I get pregnany again but how would I do that with a nursing baby? I am starting some kombucha tea (I got my first scoby from a friend today!) I know that helps the liver. Any suggestions?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 25, 2007, 04:51:28 PM
Hi naomismama!  :D How are you and your DH doing?

If I were nursing (your health experience sounds identical to mine):

unhealthy, ate a SAD, vaccinated, formula fed, on antibiotics a lot, etc). I had late onset pre-eclampsia with my daughter


I think now I'd try some liver cleansing diet.  The Liver Function thread has some info on it.  One is an 8 week plan to slowly, gently help your liver to improve its funtion.  I bet it'd help your baby, too!  I think the kombucha's a good idea...I'm new to it, too, but like it!  :D

I'll keep praying for you alll...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Naomismama March 25, 2007, 05:02:34 PM
Hi yoopermama!
Well....my dh is not so good. He got off the anti-yeast diet from sheer fustration (it wasn't really getting worse on the diet, but not vlearing up either) and now he IS getting worse! My poor poor man! At this point, I wouldn't blame him for getting the steriod cream even though the stuff is awful for you! He's had this for so long! It's just terrible!
Anyway, did you get pre-e too when you were pregnant? It was so awful! Here I planned a natural drug free beautiful calm delivery, and ended up hooked up to all kinds of machines, pumped up with tins of drugs and labored on my BACK laying down the whole time! What a blow! But hopefully thins time around I will have a home birth!
Ok, back to the subject at hand, did you do a cleanse while nursing? Are you sure it won't hurt my little one? Where is this thread you mentioned? Sorry, I am not really good at this forum stuff yet! BTW, after your liver cleanses, did ALL your moles fall off? I hope I don't get in trouble for posting off topic things here!  :-[
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 25, 2007, 05:16:31 PM
Naomismama,

I'm so sorry about his skin getting worse...there's a carb theory going on here w/ likemanywaters...have we already covered that? I do better w/o carbs.  Is he regular?  Drinking water?  Cod liver oil?  Probiotics/fermented foods?  I forget what we've all suggested... :-[

I did have PE w/ #1...I was so toxic...that was my 1st huge sign (and an ER visit for constipation before PG).  I had 2 failed inductions and then a C-S.   :(  But #2 was a VBAC w/ a midwife in a hospital, and #3 (over 10 #!) was born at home, praise God!  I got much healthier after that first PG. 

The only type of cleanse I've done while nursing was taking AIM's Herbal Fiberblend.  I'd try the water cure now or a liver cleansing diet (8 weeks of gently boosting your liver's function--but I'd keep (raw) milk products).  I thought I'd read someone answer the question about your baby's health as being, "they are going to have the same health issues you have; they need the treatment, too".  I think gentle, slow and easy is the way to go.  read as much as you can.  But improving your health has got to be good for your baby.  Just my 2 cents.

Regarding the moles...flat/slightly raised ones have gotten itchy and I've scratched them off or changed and dried up/fallen off.  I have many small spots.  Some smaller raised ones, yes, did too.  Larger ones are slowly, seemingly shrinking. I should be more faithful about the chaparral...only where I have spots am I itchy/have rashes. 

Here are some links that may help:

Liver Function:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5501.0.html

Cleansing While Nursing:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3013.0.html

The Water Cure:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,369.0.html

Here's My Game Plan--How Does it Sound?  (looks like a mom's plan to cleanse while nursing or PG?):
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,4905.0.html

Keep us posted!   :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: savedbygrace March 25, 2007, 05:27:49 PM
bump
Ok, I tried to read the whole thread but its sooooo long! I was just wondering what the stones were like. When I did the liver flush, I passed hundreds of floating "stones". I guess I am skeptical. It didn't hurt at all. The "stones" were softish. They were green and when I broke them apart they were green and looked crystallized inside. I thought they would be hard. I am thinking it is just the oil, grapefruit and maybe some bile coagulated together that I passed. I have jaundice in my eyes when I get sick and all of my babies were jaundice for a while after birth. I want to clean out my liver but I don't want to get sucked into doing endless cleanses if they are fake. What do you think? How do I know if what I am passing is really stones or not?

I need to add that I took yeast assassin for a few weeks before I did my cleanse. But I did no "zapping". I didn't use the HCI to sterilize the concoction. I didn't use organic grapefruit. I didn't use ozonated(?) olive oil. I didn't take the ornithine natural sleeping pills. It worked, like I guess it was suppose to, but I just don't really believe that it was stones.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Naomismama March 26, 2007, 02:42:02 AM
You are so helpful Yoopermama!!!!!!!   :D
Thanks for all the links, I will check them out as I can and keep you posted!  ;)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: sarajane April 02, 2007, 10:29:08 AM
The Liver Function thread has some info on it.  One is an 8 week plan to slowly, gently help your liver to improve its funtion.

Is this diet okay for while still pregnant? I have 3 weeks to go and have been up for two nights in a row this week in horrible pain. Went to the doctor and they suspect it is my gallbladder but can't be sure unless they do and ultrasound (it was a Sunday when I went in). From all I have read it is the only thing that makes sense. That or my kidney's but my midwife thinks I would have fever too if it were that.

I've seen a lot on what is safe during nursing but need to know for sure if it is all okay while pregnant too.

Anyway, I don't want to risk having an episode like that while I am in labor! I know I wouldn't make it like that, it was horrible!

Also, anything that is meant to help the liver is supposed to help the gall bladder as well? I'll see a thread on gall bladder then it ends up with a lot of mentions of the liver. Forgive my ignorant questions but this is the first time I have looked into this.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: sarajane April 02, 2007, 10:31:56 AM
Apple juice or cider are supposed to help dissolve the stones.

Oh, and I wanted to mention that I did feel better after drinking apple juice with my chlorophyll in it. I continued to drink a lot of apple juice and haven't had the pain back....yet anyway. I'm thinking the juice is helping. Great suggestion!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Naomismama April 06, 2007, 01:03:20 AM

The only type of cleanse I've done while nursing was taking AIM's Herbal Fiberblend.  I'd try the water cure now or a liver cleansing diet (8 weeks of gently boosting your liver's function--but I'd keep (raw) milk products).  I thought I'd read someone answer the question about your baby's health as being, "they are going to have the same health issues you have; they need the treatment, too".  I think gentle, slow and easy is the way to go.  read as much as you can.  But improving your health has got to be good for your baby.  Just my 2 cents.


Yoopermama, I haven't found this diet you mentioned. And where did you get the detox fiberblend you mentioned?? I have read quite a bit about the liver and detoxing. I am so excited to be cleansed! I made some kombucha so am drinking that twice a day. what else would you recommend???
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 06, 2007, 02:21:26 AM

The only type of cleanse I've done while nursing was taking AIM's Herbal Fiberblend.  I'd try the water cure now or a liver cleansing diet (8 weeks of gently boosting your liver's function--but I'd keep (raw) milk products).  I thought I'd read someone answer the question about your baby's health as being, "they are going to have the same health issues you have; they need the treatment, too".  I think gentle, slow and easy is the way to go.  read as much as you can.  But improving your health has got to be good for your baby.  Just my 2 cents.


Yoopermama, I haven't found this diet you mentioned. And where did you get the detox fiberblend you mentioned?? I have read quite a bit about the liver and detoxing. I am so excited to be cleansed! I made some kombucha so am drinking that twice a day. what else would you recommend???

The Liver Cleansing Diet (at least the 8 week one I mentioned) is in a book by Dr. Sandra Cabot by that name.  I have excerpts and lists of good foods on the liver function thread.

AIM is a company that makes Herbal Fiberblend.
http://www.theaimcompanies.com/product-family.aspx?familyid=24
is one page that lists the product...

Did you read the cleansing while nursing thread for ideas?  If I think of other things, I'll let you know. 

Re: my rash...I started a thread on the Herxheimer reaction that may explain why my skin was so bad after cleansing...and what to do about it.  I'm encouraged to thinkI may get a handle on this!

I think kokmbucha may be really detoxing me, so be careful!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: berthday April 06, 2007, 10:17:30 AM
Hi Rebecca;
I am more confused now than I was before I started reading about the cleanses :) . I have lost 22 lbs in the past year by eating healthier and still have 20 more to go,I don't have any "health issues" that I know of---I was wanting to do the master cleanse but didn't know if I should do a liver ect.ect. cleanse or not. OR do I even need to do the MC??? Any thoughts would be appreciated--Hopeing to get PG this year sometime.
THANKS
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 16, 2007, 07:32:38 AM
Another suggestion for the Liver Flush:  You can use an apple juice, olive oil, and lemon juice mixture, if you cannot tolerate the grapefruit juice(I couldn't because of an allergy). 
I don't know if Beka mentioned this, but I just read it in Stanely Burroughs Master Cleanser book(not the new book by Peter Glickman) and wanted to share.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: DawnsEarlyBirds April 16, 2007, 07:41:55 AM
Had a thought today, and was wondering if anyone has ever thought about it or come across it in the liver cleanse info.

Likemanywaters said something about thinking she had accidentally flushed her child's liver with a bunch of oil (I think she said coconut.)  I was wondering if people many years ago, who ate high fat diets, though natural fats, would have been "flushing" their livers on a regular basis?  All the low fat diets and unnatural fats would not have kept the gallbladder and liver functioning properly.

?????
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: likemanywaters April 16, 2007, 03:08:22 PM
That's what I've been thinking & wondering!!  I've also read specifically that saturated fats make the liver produce more bile & unsaturated fats makes the liver produce less. Is that true? I've got the quote somewhere....  Also something I've been wondering. Several places tell people who have had liver issues to NOT eat saturated fats at all, but if they are so good for you and that is what the body is made of, I'm wondering how that can be healthy long term. Esp. if your body is trying to heal.

This guy has some interesting takes on fats & diet & carbs. He talks alot about the importance of saturated fats & I bet he would have some info. too. I would love some of your opinions on it: http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm I think HB must have started a new thread on it here: The Role of Fat and Carbohydrates in our Diet (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6625.0.html) Please post me some responses if you can!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: DHW April 16, 2007, 03:37:04 PM
SaraJane, did you see the post from herbalmom on the CVS thread about how irritated nerves in the spine can cause problems in specific organs?  She had gallbladder symptoms due to a mis-alignment in her mid-back upper back. 

You can read about it here:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6689.msg69864.html#msg69864

If that sounds familiar, a good chiropractic evaluation might work well for you, plus it will help prepare you for L&D.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: herbalmom April 16, 2007, 03:53:24 PM
Thanks, DHW. I had meant to post on the gall bladder threads but forgot.

Try chiropractic treatment. Nerves to every organ in the body run through the spine. If a vertebra is out it can irritate the nerve that is leading to an organ & cause problems in that organ. Which organ depends on which vertebra is out. The nerve for the gall bladder for instance is in the upper back & the is one for the stomach is lower down.

I have an S curve in my spine & the change over is right at the nerve for the gall bladder. That makes that the weakest spot in my back & it goes out a lot. When it's out it irritates my gall bladder & I either get the runs,   (the gall bladder spasms putting out too much bile which is a laxative) vomit bile,  :P :P or have the symptoms of a gall bladder attack. Resetting my back stops it cold. DH has gotten quite good at setting my neck & back. For years before I found out about this Drs were telling me that I needed to have my gall bladder removed (which I refused) but they couldn't figure out why I was having problems since I didn't have stones, my ultrasound only showed a little bit of sand & it wasn't big enough to cause problems. I don't have gall bladder problems, I have a bad back. That isn't the case for everybody but it is in my case. I've been using the back resetting for 16 yrs so if it was truly my gal bladder I would know it by now. I have also stopped the runs numerous times in family members by resetting their backs. I have done it for a few non family members as well but I am cautious about who I offer to do it for. I know how to reset backs & necks but I'm leery of doing it on just anybody. Obviously, the runs have many causes but sometimes it is nothing more than the upper back is out. 

Here is a chart showing which vertebrae go with which part of the body. It's at the bottom of the page so just scroll down:

Spine Chart (http://www.burtischiropractic.com/Glossary.htm)

I thought that this would make it easier to understand.

I had also posted this link on other threads & a couple of people said that it's didn't work. I don't know, it works fine for me. Anyway, here is another link for a different chart, hopefully it works.

New Spine Chart (http://home.earthlink.net/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://home.earthlink.net/~pnemanic/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/spine.jpg&target=tlx_new)

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: sarajane April 17, 2007, 03:42:09 PM
SaraJane, did you see the post from herbalmom on the CVS thread about how irritated nerves in the spine can cause problems in specific organs?  She had gallbladder symptoms due to a mis-alignment in her mid-back upper back. 

You can read about it here:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6689.msg69864.html#msg69864

If that sounds familiar, a good chiropractic evaluation might work well for you, plus it will help prepare you for L&D.

Thanks, that is a thought! I have had a bad back and neck for many years now. Even if it isn't the total problem it sure doesn't help. May explain why getting on my hands and knees helped ease the pain a little....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: herbalmom April 21, 2007, 08:21:27 PM
Some further info that might help- Men can crack their backs in a standard doorway if they know how. I was talking to DH & he said that it gets most of the back but not quite all. My DH, for instance, can get most of the vertebrae that affect the gall bladder on his own but sometimes T4- the top one that affects the gall bladder goes out & he can't get it himself & he will have to have me do it. Women's muscles are laid out differently & doorways are the wrong size for a woman to use so it usually won't work for a women.

Something else that DH told me that I didn't know is that many truck stops have chiropractors on site & they are set up for walk ins- no appointments needed. Could be handy to know when you need to see a chiro whenever you can fit it in. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: kjennings April 29, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
I just had my second child 2 months ago and have had many gall bladder attacks. I had some after my 1st child, though they were never diagnosed and just went away after a couple weeks. This time I had an ultrasound and it was confirmed that I have "multiple small stones". I have done two different flushes, though both basically the same olive oil/lemon juice combination, and I am still having attacks. I am having difficulty nursing because if I eat no fats, I have no milk. It is also really hard to do any fasting before a flush for the same reason. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions for me. I don't want to remove my gall bladder but I'm not sure what else to do. ???
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Kati*did April 30, 2007, 02:28:49 AM
I just did the Liver Flush.  In regard to drinking the oil/grapefruit juice, I read on another site to put them together and blend them on high in a  blender.  They get a very nice, frothy/creamy texture and it actually tastes pretty good (I thought it did, anyway).  Here's why:

I know this is hard to believe, but this drink actually tastes great -- sort of like a tangy Orange Julius. Here's why. Most people are not aware that fast food outlets rarely use any dairy in their "ice cream" shakes. They use vegetable oil. When you whip the oil at high speed, it gets creamy. Well, the same thing happens with the olive oil: when mixed in your blender at high speed, it makes the drink really thick and creamy -- like there was ice cream in it.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: diaperswyper April 30, 2007, 05:00:19 AM
I just had my second child 2 months ago and have had many gall bladder attacks. I had some after my 1st child, though they were never diagnosed and just went away after a couple weeks. This time I had an ultrasound and it was confirmed that I have "multiple small stones". I have done two different flushes, though both basically the same olive oil/lemon juice combination, and I am still having attacks. I am having difficulty nursing because if I eat no fats, I have no milk. It is also really hard to do any fasting before a flush for the same reason. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions for me. I don't want to remove my gall bladder but I'm not sure what else to do. ???
     Not sure if this will help or not, but my dh's nutrionist told him that a coffee enema works much better than an oil/grapefruit flush for cleaning the liver.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 30, 2007, 06:50:00 AM
I just did the Liver Flush.  In regard to drinking the oil/grapefruit juice, I read on another site to put them together and blend them on high in a  blender.  They get a very nice, frothy/creamy texture and it actually tastes pretty good (I thought it did, anyway).  Here's why:

I know this is hard to believe, but this drink actually tastes great -- sort of like a tangy Orange Julius. Here's why. Most people are not aware that fast food outlets rarely use any dairy in their "ice cream" shakes. They use vegetable oil. When you whip the oil at high speed, it gets creamy. Well, the same thing happens with the olive oil: when mixed in your blender at high speed, it makes the drink really thick and creamy -- like there was ice cream in it.

I appreciate this! I just sent it to my sister who'll try this for the first time.  If I ever try it again....I'll do the same. :) I noticed when I did shake mine liberally, it wasn't bad at all! Like a julius or soda or something like that. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt May 01, 2007, 05:38:35 AM
I just did the Liver Flush.  In regard to drinking the oil/grapefruit juice, I read on another site to put them together and blend them on high in a  blender.  They get a very nice, frothy/creamy texture and it actually tastes pretty good (I thought it did, anyway).  Here's why:

I know this is hard to believe, but this drink actually tastes great -- sort of like a tangy Orange Julius. Here's why. Most people are not aware that fast food outlets rarely use any dairy in their "ice cream" shakes. They use vegetable oil. When you whip the oil at high speed, it gets creamy. Well, the same thing happens with the olive oil: when mixed in your blender at high speed, it makes the drink really thick and creamy -- like there was ice cream in it.
Thanks for that tip.  Maybe I won't be quite so afraid of this one when it's time.  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Nickole May 07, 2007, 07:55:26 AM
I wanted to share that I just came across this quote warning about the liver flush in a book called Herbs for Health and Healing by Kathi Keville.  I think it was a book recommended by Shonda Parker.  Anyway, I was wanting to try this flush, and also recommend it to others, but now this quote has me worried.   :-\ I would love to know anyone's thoughts on this.  This is a very good book overall, very thorough.  It's a quote from the Liver and Gallbladder chapter.  Here goes:

"Any herbs that increase the production and flow of bile will encourage gallstones to move along .  However, if stones are moved out into the duct or are already blocking it, you could make things worse instead of better by taking herbs.  This is particularly true of the "liver flush" - a popular home treatment for gallstones.  If someone recommends drinking this unappetizing combination of olive oil and lemon juice, be wary.  I have heard many people describe the impressively large "gallstones" that they magically passed with no pain.  According to Michael Murray, N.D., and Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the authors of The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, these are not gallstones at all, but rather balls formed when a chemical reaction causes oil and lemon to combine with minerals in the intestine."

To me, this quote has credence b/c Michael Murray is very much respected by Shonda Parker.  She recommends ALL his books.  The book mentioned above goes into detail how to deal with gallstones in other ways. 

I was wondering if anyone had come across this thinking elsewhere which supports it, or perhaps some legitimate source which contradicts it?  So many people are having gallstone problems these days and everywhere I look it seems, people are getting their gallbladders removed (like someone at church is having the surgery today) and I want to be able to help with alternative medical advise, but sheesh I don't want to harm them!  I would feel terrible!

Thanks!   ;D     
 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Mrs. B May 07, 2007, 09:53:54 AM
I would like to know too.  I have wanted to do this for awhile but I have been chicken thus far.  I don't want to hurt, BUT if I do have stones I would like to get them out but I WOULD like to know if I have them b/f I do that but.......that would cost money.  :P  My dad and two other people that I know of in the last month or so that have had theirs removed....all three said their doc said they had gangrene.   ???  Now, how does that happen and is it really that common?  EW.
Gallstones may lead to infection and distention of the gallbladder while obstructing the flow of bile.  If this happens the tissue of the gallbladder may not be perfused; this decreased blood flow leads to tissue death which is gangrene, essentially.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 07, 2007, 01:17:31 PM

I was wondering if anyone had come across this thinking elsewhere which supports it, or perhaps some legitimate source which contradicts it? 
 

Didn't some people on curezone have their stones analyzed?  I thought Beka mentioned that some stones were pliable(oil and juice) while the others solid as rock?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Nickole May 07, 2007, 01:37:59 PM
That's what I was wondering.  I would think there are tests that can be done to know for sure  :-\. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 07, 2007, 03:14:42 PM
That's what I was wondering.  I would think there are tests that can be done to know for sure  :-\. 

Found this really long and somewhat confusing link on curezone about the Gallstones vs Olive oil:
(Don't know how much help it is)
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=2&C0=1
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl May 07, 2007, 03:36:22 PM
Photos of gallstones with a medical report stating what the stones were made of:

http://www.angelhealingcenter.com/GallstonePictures.html

And here's a quote from a discussion on Curezone.com at this link:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=738410#i

I read in the book, I think it was 'Your Liver Your Lifeline' that different people under the author's care had MRI's performed which detected stones in the gallbladder and liver. They then did the liver flush according to his direction. Then they went back and got another MRI. About 90% of the patients evacuated all or most of their stones. About 5% needed to do more flushes to get the rest of their stones. The other 5% had so many stones that were compacted together and or impacted in the ducts that the flush didn't work for them. These "before and after" MRI's are better "proof" the flush actually works then taking the stones to a lab to have them anlysed after they have been removed.

I also read some research somewhere that people who fast are more prone to getting stones then people who don't fast. My take is that the fasts do a tremendous amount of cleansing that gets caught in the liver when the fast is completed. Also, if you have EVER taken any kind of medication or drugs chances are that a good portion of them will still be clogged in the liver. The good news is that you can actually clean them out. A lot of what we take as "medication" the body doesn't recognize and therefore cannot convert to compounds which can be eliminated. Some of these substances get left behind as stones.

I have done countless Liver Flushes and gotten many friends and family into them too. They are much safer then going under the surgeons knife! And much more effective too.

And finally, my opinion:
Why would the gallbladder/liver flush work if the stones are only olive oil?
Why would a person pre-flush have terrible pain every time they eat fats, and post-flush have no pain?
Why would the first flushes produce lots of stones, and later flushes produce less and less until finally a liver flush produces no stones at all?

Rebekah
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Nickole May 07, 2007, 03:44:35 PM
Thanks Rebekah, that's exactly the kind of info I was looking for.  Makes total sense.   :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: DHW May 07, 2007, 06:03:00 PM
Seems to me like a solid mass (albeit soft) moving through the ducts of the gallbladder or liver would have to dilate the ducts and push debris out as well, regardless of their chemical compostition.  Just a thought.

Also, on www.sensiblehealth.com Gold Coin Grass is recommended as a gentle stone crusher to be used over several weeks.  This would avoid the danger of dislodging a large stone, or blocking a duct.

Oops, lost my train of thought.

If the globs are only forming in the intestines, and not passing through the liver or gallbladder you still get the cleansing action of the acid for softening or dissolving stones, and a flushing action from the oil causing bile to be squirted in larger than ususal amounts.

If I thought I had liver/gallstones I would prepare very well before doing a liver flush (colon cleanse,parasite cleanse, kidney cleanse, etc).
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: violet7 May 26, 2007, 07:49:05 AM
Just finished with 2nd liver cleanse. It seems that all my stones were not stones per say but the soft green stuff. I noticed this time, they were a little bit harder than they were the last time. How many flushes have you all done before you started seeing the hard stones? Also I am wondering if this means that, I really have tons of stones and this is just the beginning. I did have far more this time than I did last time.

Also does anyone have liver pain the day after the flush?  I guess it would the the third day of the flush. I did both times I flushed. Does this mean my liver has tons of junk in it?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: violet7 May 29, 2007, 12:21:40 PM
Just bumping this up :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: homesteadmommy July 06, 2007, 12:49:39 PM
can someone give me the recipe for just doing a liver cleanse with the epsom salts? Thanks! ONe of my friends wants to do it.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: JoyInHim July 12, 2007, 08:34:05 AM
Well, now THERE's a nice mental picture!   ;D

(change your avatar, maybe?_)   ::)
I
After much rinsing and prodding they fell apart into 8 or 10 large grape sizes. I tried to smash one and couldn't. I got a pair of tongs and tried to break it. It finally cracked open into two pieces. Very hard!
(Now didn't you all want to know this about me??? ;) ;) ;) ;D)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Linguist77 July 30, 2007, 12:47:59 AM
Why am I getting no stones out?? I've done the flush twice now, 3 weeks apart, carefully following directions, and even did the suggested extra flush in the morning today. I think I'm passing chaff, but nothing I could call stones yet.

Given my health history, I seriously doubt that my liver and gallbladder are in good working order. I used to have gallbladder attacks pretty often.

Seems like a lot of misery for no results! Drinking the oil/juice mixture is a breeze compared to those nasty epsom salts!

So, do I need to keep doing this forever until I see stones?

I was planning on starting the Master Cleanse later this week, if possible. Now I'm wondering if that's such a good idea!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: homesteadmommy July 30, 2007, 02:16:25 AM
can someone give me the recipe for just doing a liver cleanse with the epsom salts? Thanks! ONe of my friends wants to do it.

bump
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mamaoffour August 07, 2007, 12:56:56 PM
Linguist77:  Did you make sure your colon was completely cleaned out before you tried the liver cleanse.  I went on a really good colon cleanse called Dr.Natura Colonics.  I had lot of old fecal matter that had been stuck on the walls of my colon for so long!!  Sorry TMI!!  Anyway, if your colon isn't in proper working order some of the stones may not come out completely.  Also make sure you have done some kind of parasite cleanse as well.  Sometimes this will also hinder your progress as well.  I know this is a long thread so sorry if you have already tried the above suggestions, just didn't have time to read through all of it.  I have done 4 liver cleanses and have gotten stones out every time, except for the 3rd one, my colon was backed up so the stones weren't able to exit.  I was very very bloated for days!!  I finally did an enema and expelled the stones.  Just some helpful advice, don't ever do a liver cleanse if you are constipated, it made the situation worse for me.  Good luck to you.  Try doing some kind of colon cleanse and parasite cleanse and see if that helps you out at all.  Just my two cents.



Misty
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Linguist77 August 10, 2007, 08:36:04 PM
Hi Misty,

Thanks for the suggestions. I had 11 sessions of colonics in April and May and have been yeast cleansing for over a year, as well as thorough parasite cleansing that finished in June. I had been wanting to do the liver flush for some time now, but made sure to take care of those other things first. So I still don't know why there were no stones.

I went ahead and did the Master Cleanse anyway.  ::) Only 6 days, because I'm too busy right now (intensive Polish course and being a mommy) to be feeling weak. I just started eating again 2 days ago. Going to give my body a break for another week, then try another flush.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt August 11, 2007, 09:09:49 AM
Would someone that has done a liver flush be so kind as to tell me what to expect.  I really don't have time to read thru 9 pages.  Just a nutshell sort of thing.  I started itthis morning.  Will anything "happen" today tomorrow? Nothing significant at all? 
In most of the threads throughout the board, the basics and bulk of the information, is found in the first page of the thread. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: MrsJ October 18, 2007, 05:08:08 AM
Okay, I want to do this whole cleanse thing.  I just ordered the Master Cleanser book and I'm waiting for it to come in the mail, but you all have convinced me it would be beneficial to try to give my liver a head start, if you will.  So, I apologize it this is already buried somewhere in this website, but I'm wondering if someone could give me some beginner pointers.  I am not terribly healthy, have been trying to focus more on cooking from scratch, whole foods, cutting fat and sugars, but it's a slow process, and my husband is definitely not a health nut so the process is slow going for us both.  I am 26 years old and about 200 pounds, since getting married and going on the pill a year ago.  Just ballooned up.  I've never been "thin", but this is definitely the biggest I've ever been.  I feel like my body is just gunked up and sluggish, more lately than ever, and I'm just consistently nagged with little things - coughs, colds, aches and pains, congestion, headaches, that sort of thing.  I definitely need a "spring cleaning".  But there's just so much info on this site I don't know where to begin.  Help help please!!  ???  Thanks!  ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Roehrmomma October 18, 2007, 06:37:32 AM
look at the bulkherbstore.com for liver cleansing herbs.I can remember taking milk thistle in my teas sprinkling it on my food and I used others cant remember right now what though (I feel awful) But it worked great I was having my liver show up dirty on strips at my midwifes and started this cleaned it right up pretty quick.

I have a tincture in the kitchen I need to strain for my liver.That is a really easy way to do it.

The MC is really good too.I am just not ready to try it again right now.I also want to do a colon cleanse soon.


HTH

Em
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama October 18, 2007, 06:54:01 AM
MrsJPS,
I would start w/ some fresh lemon juice in a glass of water every morning. Then add to your routine for a minimum of two weeks:  milk thistle -either tincture or capsules-, dandelion tincture, possibly small amounts of burdock tincture, and an antiparasite formula of some kind. The parasite cleanse and the milk thistle would be most important.
Three days of light eating or fasting on organic apple juice and lots of water before doing the grapefruit/olive oil liver cleanse.
Are you still on the pill? Definitely work on your liver for awhile and keep making as many dietary/ lifestyle changes as you can going for organic meats, eggs, and raw dairy if at all possible. Cut sugar and flours to a minimum.  GOOD fats are essential. Don't cut out all fats or you will harm your liver even more.  Farm eggs, Cod liver oil, or fish oil, the best butter you can find - all these will help you along. Look into taking digestive enzymes, especially lipase if you have been low fat for awhile. A good balance is 1/3 protein, 1/3 COMPLEX carbs, 1/3 GOOD fats. Complex carbs carry alot more protein than their refined counterparts so it is not as much  meat and direct protein as you would think...
Hope this helps. Lots of these individual suggestions have threads of their own here on WTM. Encourage you to look them up!  :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt October 18, 2007, 07:31:30 AM
Okay, I want to do this whole cleanse thing.  I just ordered the Master Cleanser book and I'm waiting for it to come in the mail, but you all have convinced me it would be beneficial to try to give my liver a head start, if you will.  So, I apologize it this is already buried somewhere in this website, but I'm wondering if someone could give me some beginner pointers.  I am not terribly healthy, have been trying to focus more on cooking from scratch, whole foods, cutting fat and sugars, but it's a slow process, and my husband is definitely not a health nut so the process is slow going for us both.  I am 26 years old and about 200 pounds, since getting married and going on the pill a year ago.  Just ballooned up.  I've never been "thin", but this is definitely the biggest I've ever been.  I feel like my body is just gunked up and sluggish, more lately than ever, and I'm just consistently nagged with little things - coughs, colds, aches and pains, congestion, headaches, that sort of thing.  I definitely need a "spring cleaning".  But there's just so much info on this site I don't know where to begin.  Help help please!!  ???  Thanks!  ;D

I think these three threads should give you a head start.

Begin/Start a Healthier Diet/Lifestyle (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1782.0.html)
Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daisey October 18, 2007, 09:07:41 AM


I have a tincture in the kitchen I need to strain for my liver.That is a really easy way to do it.

The MC is really good too.I am just not ready to try it again right now.I also want to do a colon cleanse soon.


HTH

Em
What kind of tincture do you have for liver?   I am just starting tinctures and  am loving the ease of using them.   I have a super tonic one, cayenne, nettle, elderberry and lobelia.    I need to get some hawthorn berries and make one to try get rid of my headaches.   I'm anxious to know what you use for liver so I can add that to my order.   Thanks
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Roehrmomma October 18, 2007, 12:01:06 PM
Burdock root (blood purifier)

Fennel seed (Increases the flow of urine, a liver cleanser.)

Yellow dock root (Liver congestion)

Milk thistle seed (liver disorders)

I dont know if this is the best mix or not this is what I had on hand.

I kinda had a 'duh' moment when Shoshanna said on the last Back to basics podcast that an outside the body problem is on the inside too.Or something to that affect.

So I am looking at my family different now.I am so glad I heard that.

Em
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mommyof3 October 19, 2007, 08:56:07 AM
I'm not sure if there is anything in this thread about cleansing while nursing... but I was wondering if there's a safe way to cleanse the liver and/or anything else while nursing.  ???  if anyone has any information, please let me know, thanx   ;)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Roehrmomma October 19, 2007, 08:58:24 AM
This is a nursing safe cleanse.Works good too.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,369.0.html

Em
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: MrsJ October 20, 2007, 04:36:05 AM
I think these three threads should give you a head start.

Begin/Start a Healthier Diet/Lifestyle (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1782.0.html)
Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)



Thanks, HB!  It helps to know I'm allowed to take it one step at a time; much less overwhelming that way. :)

Would you recommend trying the Master Cleanse right now, or would you say just start trying to work in a healthier lifestyle gradually is better?  I do cook relatively healthy meals, from scratch almost always and with fresh ingredients.  It's just that my husband and I love sweets and bad snacks on the side at times.  Anyway, any advice?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: ForeverGirl October 20, 2007, 06:01:59 AM
Hi, I just want to post the rest of my story, and where the "Liver Flush" took me. I don't have any more gallbladder or liver problems any more...

Thanks for the information! That looks like a good product.

I feel like I am seeing a whole picture now. I have experimented on myself the last few weeks, and am convinced that my personal defficiency was enzymes - specifically Lipase. However, when I started taking minerals, I noticed improved muscular health, vision, and the fact that I needed less enzymes to maintain healthy skin.

As of today, my skin is %100 normal and healthy. :D Some of the lines/wrinkles that developed over the last year from the extreme dryness are also fading. This is a very obvious side effect that I believe is due to my skin being able to utilize the fats I eat now, instead of excreting them as toxins (rash/acne.)

I am taking one Super Enzyme with each meal, and one before bed. I take one Omega Balance (fatty acids) with each enzyme tablet, and drink the whole thing down with water that has a few drops of ConcenTrace Trace Mineral Drops by "Liquimins." I also add sea salt to the water.

And, we've also added bone broths (minerals) to our diet on a more regular basis, and lots of raw cabbage (enzymes.)

So I'm getting Fatty Acids, Enzymes, and Minerals. I feel good, and my skin is healthy at last.

An important side note here:
I think the reason I was enzyme defficient is due to the Liver/Gallbladder problems I had almost two years ago, which resulted in repeated liver flushes, and a Master Cleanse. I don't see how I could have avoided doing those cleanses and kept my gallbladder, but I do think that the repeated flushes and MC depleted my pancreas of enzymes. Because of the oil-drinking involved with the flushes, I think I used up all my lipase supply. The MC probably depleted me of several things, including fats, minerals, and enzymes.

I am NOT saying the MC or the Liver Flush is bad, but rather; like any extreme health measure (drugs, surgery, etc...) they have side effects that must be taken into consideration. If you need a Liver Flush to clean out your gallbladder and relieve your liver - go ahead. But increase your enzyme, mineral, and Fatty Acid intake at the same time. I guess I should copy/paste this in the appropriate threads...

Rebekah
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 24, 2007, 05:42:19 AM
Hurry fast.

I am having gall bladderless pains in my back. My gall bladder was taken out 7 years ago. So it must be my liver or ducts being clogged up with sludge and or stones.

normally apples and oatmeal help it go away. This time they arnt helping.

What else can I do?
 ( I just cant do the coffee in the butt thing so no enemas for me but I am open to other advice)

Thank you!    :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: cecac November 24, 2007, 05:52:49 AM
If you go further up in this thread, Forevergirl gives a link to Hulda Clark's information on gall bladder flush.  Read that article and you will likely have something to do.  If I remember correctly, you can still get gallstones out with no gall bladder, and that sludge needs to come out, likely, also.

Blessings,
Cara
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: littlemama24 November 24, 2007, 11:46:33 AM
Hurry fast.

I am having gall bladderless pains in my back. My gall bladder was taken out 7 years ago. So it must be my liver or ducts being clogged up with sludge and or stones.

normally apples and oatmeal help it go away. This time they arnt helping.

What else can I do?
 ( I just cant do the coffee in the butt thing so no enemas for me but I am open to other advice)

Thank you!    :)

I did the gallbladder flush (without a gall bladder) a few months back with some relief.  I saw no stones, but the grapefruit juice with epsom salts and then the juice with the oil seemed to open things up enough to provide relief.  I haven't had any symptoms since...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 24, 2007, 05:45:50 PM
DONT READ THIS POST IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH PLEASE.   ;)

OK I have some questions I want to ask before I do a liver stone cleanse.

-what are we supposed to look for in our stool?

-will we have to dig threw the poop to find the stones or will they stick out of the poop and be noticeable? I guess that depends on their size?

-Do they hurt coming out or hurt while bouncing around in the digestive tract working their way down and out?

-What colors are they?

-Do they make loud sounds when landing in the potty because of their weight? Or do they not weight much? I keep thinking they are like an actual stone like the ones found in drive ways.

- What does the liver sludge look like? And how would I know I have passed some out?

Im trying to learn more about it so when I get back from my missions trip in January I can do it. I dont want to do it now and be sick when I leave for the trip.

Thank you.  :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 25, 2007, 10:42:34 AM
On 2nd thought maybe I better do the liver cleanse now. My ducts feel like something is hanging out in them. Ouch.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: hodgy November 25, 2007, 01:47:02 PM
I have read on another web forum about doing a mild liver cleanse.  One would use the juice of 3 limes, 2 raw organic egg yolks, and a tablespoon of  sunflower oil.  Your're supposed to drink this mixture first thing in the A.M..  People claim they can feel their liver squirt.  It supposedly makes you tired at first, then very energetic.   I think you are supposed to repeat the process for 5 days.  Maybe this would be a better option since it is mild and doesn't keep you trapped by the toilet all day.  HTH
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt November 27, 2007, 08:11:49 AM
DONT READ THIS POST IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH PLEASE.   ;)

OK I have some questions I want to ask before I do a liver stone cleanse.

-what are we supposed to look for in our stool?

-will we have to dig threw the poop to find the stones or will they stick out of the poop and be noticeable? I guess that depends on their size?

-Do they hurt coming out or hurt while bouncing around in the digestive tract working their way down and out?

-What colors are they?

-Do they make loud sounds when landing in the potty because of their weight? Or do they not weight much? I keep thinking they are like an actual stone like the ones found in drive ways.

- What does the liver sludge look like? And how would I know I have passed some out?

Im trying to learn more about it so when I get back from my missions trip in January I can do it. I dont want to do it now and be sick when I leave for the trip.

Thank you.  :)

If you do the salt cleansing before you take the oil, there won't be anything to poop out when the stones come if there are any.  Bile is yellow and looks alot like oil.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: CountyCork November 27, 2007, 09:14:08 AM
HB, don't slam me for getting off track BUT, is it just me, or does BJ have the most hilarious posts ever?  I think she types what we all think!  BJ, your plain language and openness are truly refreshing!  And I'm with you on not being able to put coffee in my butt!
Jill
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 27, 2007, 11:09:26 AM
lol ty
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 29, 2007, 10:45:43 AM
My back has been killing me this week. I recognize the pain as being liver and duct pains. After having reviewed this thread doing research on the wonders of lemon juice.

Below is a link for a site that tells of some of the things lemon juice is good for. It says to put it in hot water to help relieve what it calls "liver complaints". It is amazing how many things lemons are good for and it explains why they are good for them.

I drank a tablespoon of lemon juice last night without mixing it in water and went to bed and laid on my right side so the biliary system ( where the liver, gall bladder and ducts are ) could drain out better.

Now today my back is much better. It is starting to hurt again mildly most likely because I forgot about it and ate a high fat meal ( refried beans and ground hamburger).


So there is definitely something positive about  lemons for our health.

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20040711.htm
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 30, 2007, 07:33:37 AM
If I eat I hurt. Sometimes I can literally feel what I presume to be my liver either twitching, contracting, or moving about. It sometimes almost tingles and acts like it is having a spasm and then stops. The pain encompasses almost a circle circumference kind of like the liver is shaped but not a full circle so I am almost certain it is the liver. It feels about like how it felt when I had a Gall bladder and it hurt a lot.

Am I like one of the only freaks to have a pulsating liver?   ???  ???

I am taking some liver cleansing herbal stuff in liquid form and only ingesting apple juice and lemon juice. As long as i don't eat the pain is tolerable and I can live with it, infact sometimes I don't even notice it.

The liver feels like it is heavy. I am not wanting to go to the doctor because when I was having non stop gall bladder attacks they kept giving me ultrasounds to look for stones but my 1000s of stones never showed up because they were hidden in a thick pasty bile sludge. Finlay a doctor got smart and gave me a dye test and found my gall bladder and liver area to be 100% closed off. By that time I had not ate for 10 days  ( other then some sips of juice here and there)so  to 'help' me along I had to starve for another 3 days before they could rip the gall bladder out. I just don't have the energy to fight them about it when I know whatever is stuck in there will not show up on an ultrasound and they will just send me on my merry way to die at home in agony while barfing up green bile like before.

 But then again I am older wiser and have that mother bear fighting sydrome so maybe I can give them a good but polite " what for".

Anyone else ever had a pulsating liver? I wonder if me  doing the apple juice and lemon juice is making the liver release some sludge and stones and that is why it is acting up?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthyinOhio November 30, 2007, 07:49:50 AM
If I eat I hurt. Sometimes I can literally feel what I presume to be my liver either twitching, contracting, or moving about. It sometimes almost tingles and acts like it is having a spasm and then stops. The pain encompasses almost a circle circumference kind of like the liver is shaped but not a full circle so I am almost certain it is the liver. It feels about like how it felt when I had a Gall bladder and it hurt a lot.

Am I like one of the only freaks to have a pulsating liver?   ???  ???


The liver feels like it is heavy.

BJ,

Your pain sounds very very serious.  I would take some more action, if I were you.  I know you don't want to even think about an enema, but it would take care of your pain. I was at a point in my life where the thought of an enema was so terrifying, but I knew my liver was in trouble and I wanted to do anything to help it.  I am glad I did a coffee enema.
Try doing castor oil packs.  Nickole's sister had a liver problem and that took away some pain.  You can read here testimony here:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11795.msg110875.html#msg110875
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory December 28, 2007, 07:41:29 AM
Has anyone tried the gallstone cleanse from the How-to-Herb-Book?  I did one Hulda Clark liver flush last week, and got a few tiny stones and some chaff, but I KNOW there's more in there.  The How-to-Herb-Book says to do 3 days of an apple juice fast with enemas every day.  Then 3 oz. of lemon juice and 3 oz. of olive oil before bed.  You're supposed to lie on your right side with your hip elevated, then do a garlic enema in the morning.  I need results fast, because we'll be trying to conceive again.  I thought about doing the 3 day juice fast, and doing the epsom salts and grapefruit juice and olive oil on the third day, with the garlic enema in the morning.  Do ya'll think that would get more stones out?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory December 28, 2007, 10:46:59 AM
Bump.
Has anyone tried the gallstone cleanse from the How-to-Herb-Book?  I did one Hulda Clark liver flush last week, and got a few tiny stones and some chaff, but I KNOW there's more in there.  The How-to-Herb-Book says to do 3 days of an apple juice fast with enemas every day.  Then 3 oz. of lemon juice and 3 oz. of olive oil before bed.  You're supposed to lie on your right side with your hip elevated, then do a garlic enema in the morning.  I need results fast, because we'll be trying to conceive again.  I thought about doing the 3 day juice fast, and doing the epsom salts and grapefruit juice and olive oil on the third day, with the garlic enema in the morning.  Do ya'll think that would get more stones out?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama December 28, 2007, 11:11:32 AM
Bump.
Has anyone tried the gallstone cleanse from the How-to-Herb-Book?  I did one Hulda Clark liver flush last week, and got a few tiny stones and some chaff, but I KNOW there's more in there.  The How-to-Herb-Book says to do 3 days of an apple juice fast with enemas every day.  Then 3 oz. of lemon juice and 3 oz. of olive oil before bed.  You're supposed to lie on your right side with your hip elevated, then do a garlic enema in the morning.  I need results fast, because we'll be trying to conceive again.  I thought about doing the 3 day juice fast, and doing the epsom salts and grapefruit juice and olive oil on the third day, with the garlic enema in the morning.  Do ya'll think that would get more stones out?
DH tried the 3 days of apple juice and then 4 oz. oil with 4 oz. grapefruit juice- no epsom salts- as per another source. My opinion is that it is not as effective without the epsom salts to relax the ducts. Dh got nothing no squirting/emptying feeling at all. I think that juice fast or light eating w/ no fats for a few days beforehand makes a difference in how much moves the day of the oil flush.
HTH
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory December 28, 2007, 11:23:55 AM
That's what I wanted to know.  Thanks! :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: brenda January 04, 2008, 11:28:27 AM
Hi,
     I did a liver flush yesterday and am planning on starting the Master Cleanse tomorrow.  I'm not sure I did the liver flush correctly.  I took Yeast Assassin for 3 weeks and 3 days.  Then I waited a day or two before doing a liver flush (I didn't have my grapefruit or olive oil ).  Yesterday I drank 1 T. Epsom salts in 3/4c fresh squeezed grapefruit juice (not organic).  Then again at 4p.m.  I was planning to do a coffee enema at 5pm but realized that the enema kit I had purchased would not do the trick so I went to town to visit the pharmacy.  Last night was Caucus night here in Iowa so I stayed in town until 7pm to vote and there were so many people there that we didn't get done and home until close to 10pm.  So...I did the coffee enema at 10:10pm. (1 qt of water and 2 heaping Tsp fully caffeinated coffee ground the evening before (brewed earlier in the day).  I did 2 (12 min.) flushes back to back, I did not use the entire enema solution (I had about 1 cup left over).  Then at 11:10pm I drank another grapefruit jc. Epsom salts mixture.  Drank it again at 1:10a.m.  Then drank 1 cup cold pressed olive oil mixed with 1 cup fresh squeezed grapefruit jc. at 2:45a.m.  (I went to bed right after the coffee enema and just set my alarm to wake me at these different times.)  At 10:00am I drank another grapefruit jc. and Epsom salt mix.  I have not passes any stones.  I have passes a lot of grapefruit pulp and of course the little green balls of oil.  I didn't realize I was supposed to fast so I did eat some yesterday but not much.  A bowl of vegetable soup and a couple slices of bread, grapefruit and part of an orange, also some Pepsi. 
     I had read that before doing the master cleanse that you should do a parasite cleanse (Yeast Assassin 2 caps twice a day for 3 weeks) then a liver flush to flush all the dead parasites out of the liver.  Then to do the master cleanse once the liver was clean.  I decided to do the Master Cleanse in the first place because I am constantly tired and only want junk food to eat. 
     Do you think I have done an okay job and that I can go ahead and start the master cleanse tomorrow.  Do you suppose that my liver is clean and that i have no gull stones or other gunk in there or do you think my cleanse was unsuccessful because I didn't fast.  Of course, i have had diarrhea ever since my first drink yesterday morning and today I feel pretty  out of it.  No energy and a foggy mind.  Also, I should mention, when I  got out of bed at 7:20 this morning I began to sweat and to feel as if I would pass out while using the toilet.  I have not eaten today, I don't feel well enough to eat.  I plan on doing a Probiotic Enema at 4pm today (or maybe later).  I don't have enough Yeast Assassin left, so I will be using 2 caps Yeast Assassin and 5-8 caps Tummy Tune-Up in my enema solution.     
Thank you for any help or suggestions you can give.
brenda
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt January 13, 2008, 05:26:21 AM
Bump for Brenda's question.  I don't have any answers, but I'd just bet ForeverGirl might.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: cmvuyovich January 13, 2008, 06:10:15 PM
Hi!

I'm very new to this site but thought I would share some experiences I've had with my natural remedies.

To those who are dealing with Psoraisis...I've dealt with it for almost 20 years. It had gotten to the point where it was EVERYWHERE and, according to my doctor, I was a candidate for the injectable meds that required blood work every month to monitor how my body was reacting to it. I was totally against this and made it my mission to find an alternative.

And I have found it! Two websites that I have found GREAT success!! The first one is www.merryclinic.com . They do more than just Psoriasis...they have natural remedies for several different skin problems. I used every product they had for what they recommended for Psoriasis and it has WORKED!! It took a month or so for the results, and was a little expensive...easily $130 - $150 a month. But again...it worked. So then I tried www.organichope.com (though the website is not coming up at the moment). Instead of purchasing several items each month, I have found that Kalawalla to be just as wonderful and only $40 a month (cut and paste for a bit more info : http://www.earth-2-u.com/store/1863618/product/New-11164857 ). For the BEST success, I purchased the Skin Detox from Merry Clinic and the Kalawalla from Organic Hope...the results were wonderful!! I still have my occasional flare ups, but the results were the best I've ever had...and the kalawalla is not just for psoriasis, but for arthritis, MS...the testamonials are outstanding. I'm the kind of person who would rather find a natural remedy and loves to share success that I think others will benefit from. I hope this helps those out there who are in my situation!!



I am looking for some advice on my hubby's immediate situation and his overall health.

First, the immediate--after coming down with what I believe to be gallstone symptoms about 2 weeks ago I convinced him to try the liver flush this weekend.  He did it Saturday and resumed eating regular foods yesterday afternoon (and plenty of them, although I tried to pace him a bit.)  Meanwhile he has continued to have the gallbladder pain (not sharp, more of a constant discomfort) and is still having very water stools without passing much of anything but water.  He is also starting to feel a bit bloated again.  I've suggested he try an enema...he's thinking about it.  He's never done one (nor have I...I'd have to run to Wal-Mart to get supplies).  Any suggestions?

Now for the background...My wonderful 39 year old husband has been in poor health for as long as I've known him.  He has had psoriasis since he was a kid.  It's bad enough on his legs that he will not wear shorts in public.  He has arthritis.  He has had diarrhea for years.  He has a lot of problems with his back, which I think are mostly from his very physical job.  He has gone to a chiropractor for several years now which seems to have helped some. 

He has always had a poor diet.  He complains if I even buy wheat bread instead of white.  He is very resistant to change (He's a Mr. Steady through and through).  I was surprised he was willing to try this liver flush although he keeps saying if this doesn't help the pain then he's going to the doctor.  He doesn't seem interested in researching any of his issues so I do it for him. 

I feel he could really use a colon cleanse so I want to get him to do that next, although I need to figure out which would be a good one for him.  These fasts and cleanses are very foreign to him.

Oh, I almost forgot.  After reading on here about the leaky gut thing last summer I got him to take the yeast assasin/tummy tuneup...he's been taking that (somewhat regularly) since August.  I think I read somewhere that you could take the omega balance to help heal the gut after the yeast treatment. 

Any advice would be wonderful.  Thank you so much for listening and sharing your experiences for others to learn from.

Wendy
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: HerbGirl29 January 22, 2008, 08:10:25 AM
Hello all, I'm hoping you ladies can answer a few questions about the liver cleanse, as I am hoping to do one this week. :-X  :)
First, on the instructions on Curezone, it says to "add Black Walnut tincture" to the grapefruit juice/olive oil mix.  The tincture is not on the list of ingredients and I am wondering if any of you who have done the flush added the Black Walnut tincture?

Second, can I have eggs for breakfast on the first day of the flush?  I have them every morning so I'd like to be able to have them, but if I can't that's fine. 
Last, (but not least) how important is the kidney "flush" and what exactly is it? ???
Thank you for any help you can give, 
~HG~
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: HerbGirl29 January 25, 2008, 03:22:07 AM
BUMP
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Mrs. B January 25, 2008, 03:27:09 AM
Hello all, I'm hoping you ladies can answer a few questions about the liver cleanse, as I am hoping to do one this week. :-X  :)
First, on the instructions on Curezone, it says to "add Black Walnut tincture" to the grapefruit juice/olive oil mix.  The tincture is not on the list of ingredients and I am wondering if any of you who have done the flush added the Black Walnut tincture?

Second, can I have eggs for breakfast on the first day of the flush?  I have them every morning so I'd like to be able to have them, but if I can't that's fine. 
Last, (but not least) how important is the kidney "flush" and what exactly is it? ???
Thank you for any help you can give, 
~HG~
It's been a while since I did it, but I remember eating normally the morning that I started the liver cleanse.  Eat eggs if it gets you started off right...
I also did use the black walnut.  It would probably be alright to not use it, but black walnut is good for parasites along with helping eliminate  from the intestinal tract.
I chose not to do a deliberate kidney cleanse prior to the liver, but I had been doing the water cure for several months and felt "cleaned out."
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Good day family January 25, 2008, 04:05:53 AM
Hello all, I'm hoping you ladies can answer a few questions about the liver cleanse, as I am hoping to do one this week. :-X  :)
First, on the instructions on Curezone, it says to "add Black Walnut tincture" to the grapefruit juice/olive oil mix.  The tincture is not on the list of ingredients and I am wondering if any of you who have done the flush added the Black Walnut tincture?

Second, can I have eggs for breakfast on the first day of the flush?  I have them every morning so I'd like to be able to have them, but if I can't that's fine. 
Last, (but not least) how important is the kidney "flush" and what exactly is it? ???
Thank you for any help you can give, 
~HG~
It's been a while since I did it, but I remember eating normally the morning that I started the liver cleanse.  Eat eggs if it gets you started off right...
I also did use the black walnut.  It would probably be alright to not use it, but black walnut is good for parasites along with helping eliminate  from the intestinal tract.
I chose not to do a deliberate kidney cleanse prior to the liver, but I had been doing the water cure for several months and felt "cleaned out."

I've done the liver flush twice.  I did not use black walnut either time.  I remember the instructions said not to have any animal products or fats during both of the days of the flush.
When I did it the first time, I did have cashew butter... that time I suffered a lot more with a lot of pressure and pain.  In fact, the night after my flush, I seriously felt like I had just had a baby!  BUT, it could've been because it was the first time I'd ever done it - I don't know.
The second time I did it (two weeks later), I only ate a banana that first morning, and the flush was not hard on my body at all.  In fact, I felt so wonderful - like my emotions had been cleaned out or something!
BUT, that could've been because I already did the first one...! 
I did not have any stones either time.
That's just my own experience... Obviously, if I did it again, I would eat very lite the first morning ~ hoping to not have too much pressure.  :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: HerbGirl29 January 25, 2008, 04:56:24 AM
Thank you so much for the info ladies, it was exactly what I needed!   ;D  I'm planning on doing it today so we'll see how it goes!  Mrs. B, how much of the Walnut tincture did you use? I did not see an amount anywhere, but I'll look again.  I have some made already, not even knowing I would need it for the liver flush!  That just goes to show that God knew what He was having me do! :D
Thanks again,
~HG~
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Mrs. B January 25, 2008, 06:03:06 AM
  Mrs. B, how much of the Walnut tincture did you use? I did not see an amount anywhere, but I'll look again.  I have some made already, not even knowing I would need it for the liver flush!  That just goes to show that God knew what He was having me do! :D
Thanks again,
~HG~
I used 10-15 drops for a dose.
Have fun!!! 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: HerbGirl29 January 25, 2008, 08:11:38 AM
Thank you! ;D
~HG~
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby February 08, 2008, 07:02:10 PM
Breath!! Breath!! LOL!! OK, i think I'm ready to start a cleanse. I'm done nursing my 15 month old and i have lost 7lbs. I'm 140 and I'm 5'8 1/2. I have no idea what I'm doing or what cleanse to start with but I'm thinking maybe this one is a good one...??? Please help me figure out if i should start with this cleanse. I feel like I'm pretty healthy. I'm 29 and besides being constipated on and off my whole life, i am a healthy girl. I use supermoms, and i take immune booster and garlic anything i feel a cold coming on. I hardly ever get sick anymore. I have dry skin right now but its winter and i do have dandruff at times. Right now my hormones must be going crazy because after i stopped nursing a month ago, my face broke out like crazy. Its getting better now but only because of the stuff the dermatologist gave me. (I'm so ashamed :-[) I really do feel that maybe something is wrong in my colon. I'm not sure about parasites. How would i know if i had them? I have done enemas before and never seen anything. How would i know if my gallbladder or liver needed flushing? Where do i start? I don't have lots of money to spend but i really do wanna start doing something to clean out my body. Help!!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory February 08, 2008, 08:08:04 PM
I've done 2 liver flushes with very minimal results. >:(  After doing some reading, I found that when the bowels are obstructed by old fecal matter, the liver is unable to expel stones.  I've also read of people who passed liver stones during their colon cleanse.  So I would recommend doing a parasite/colon cleanse first, especially since you've had problems with constipation.  After you're sure your colon is clean, a liver flush should be more effective and gentler on your body.  Hope that helps! :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby February 09, 2008, 08:42:17 AM
Thank you very much. Now I'm off to figure out which colon cleanse to do.  :-\
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: begabone March 06, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
WOW, so much information and I'm a little lost and confused.

I started by looking into Psoriasis and read about the Master Cleanse. It intrigued me and I started reading through the 28 pages and also reading about all of the flushes...

Here is my question/concern. I would like to try the Master Cleanse or a cleanse anyway. I have never done a cleanse and I think I would benefit greatly from doing one. I have psoriasis on my scalp and some small patches around my ears and eyes. I also have frequent headaches and have had 3 miscarriages. I have 3 children though. I had 2 babies, 2 mis, 1 baby & 1 mis. I think the miscarriage may be a result from complications after baby #2. The doctor did not check my placenta and I hemorrhaged and had to have a dnc a week after she was born to remove a lot of placental tissue that was still attached. Then I had my gallbladder removed, then miscarriage = dnc #2 then miscarriage = dnc #3. miscarriage #3 I wised up and said NO dnc!
So, with all that information... especially having no gallbladder, can I still do a cleanse? or a flush? Does anyone have any suggestions for what would be safe for me to do?

I tried brousing threw the threads to find info on not having a gallbladder but what I found didn't explain it, or I just didn't understand. I'm new to this.
Thank you all so much!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt March 06, 2008, 08:03:29 PM
WOW, so much information and I'm a little lost and confused.

I started by looking into Psoriasis and read about the Master Cleanse. It intrigued me and I started reading through the 28 pages and also reading about all of the flushes...

Here is my question/concern. I would like to try the Master Cleanse or a cleanse anyway. I have never done a cleanse and I think I would benefit greatly from doing one. I have psoriasis on my scalp and some small patches around my ears and eyes. I also have frequent headaches and have had 3 miscarriages. I have 3 children though. I had 2 babies, 2 mis, 1 baby & 1 mis. I think the miscarriage may be a result from complications after baby #2. The doctor did not check my placenta and I hemorrhaged and had to have a dnc a week after she was born to remove a lot of placental tissue that was still attached. Then I had my gallbladder removed, then miscarriage = dnc #2 then miscarriage = dnc #3. miscarriage #3 I wised up and said NO dnc!
So, with all that information... especially having no gallbladder, can I still do a cleanse? or a flush? Does anyone have any suggestions for what would be safe for me to do?

I tried brousing threw the threads to find info on not having a gallbladder but what I found didn't explain it, or I just didn't understand. I'm new to this.
Thank you all so much!
I would read these two threads first and see if you don't come up with something helpful.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,637.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,637.0.html)
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Dana March 31, 2008, 01:00:17 PM
Hi Healthy Bratt, I read about your success last year with the Hulda Clark Liver Cleanse. I did the same liver cleanse, last week. However, 2 hours after I drank the olive oil and took the Ornithine tablets, I threw it up. I had success in that about 1000 small stones appeared the next morning. But I am wondering what was the brand of olive oil you used? Perhaps that is where things went wrong for me. I should do the cleanse one more time...but I don't want to feel that bad again!  :( Thanks! Dana
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: crystal April 04, 2008, 12:27:51 PM
I would like your "professional" opinions about my plan.  I have been yeast cleansing for 10 days with Yeast Assassin and have been drinking liver cleansing tea.  I plan to do a liver flush in four days and immediately start the Master Cleanse.  Then end the Master Cleanse with another liver flush.  Does this sound reasonable?  I haven't had any drastic detox with the Yeast Assassin.  A couple days of headache.  Some tummy/intestinal stuff.  Nothing that slowed me down much. 

What do you all think?   Is this a reasonable plan?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: crystal April 05, 2008, 07:16:28 AM
I would like your "professional" opinions about my plan.  I have been yeast cleansing for 10 days with Yeast Assassin and have been drinking liver cleansing tea.  I plan to do a liver flush in four days and immediately start the Master Cleanse.  Then end the Master Cleanse with another liver flush.  Does this sound reasonable?  I haven't had any drastic detox with the Yeast Assassin.  A couple days of headache.  Some tummy/intestinal stuff.  Nothing that slowed me down much. 

What do you all think?   Is this a reasonable plan?

bumpola
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Linguist77 April 05, 2008, 03:21:28 PM
I just did exactly what you're planning to do. I don't think that my flush before the MC was worthwhile. If I had it to do over again, I would have just done a coffee enema the first night of the MC, instead of liver flushing.

The flush at the end was great, though! It was my 7th flush, and the first one that produced more than a couple of pebbles! (I think only my 3rd flush produced anything before that, and it was only lots of "sand.")

I cleansed for 6 days before the flush. Was going for 12, but my husband (who knows better than I!) ordered me off the cleanse because he said I was cranky. ;-)

All that to say, your body may be different enough from mine that you may actually benefit from flushing twice, but for me, doing the cleanse first brought out a lot of toxins that I was then able to flush out. Next time, I won't bother flushing beforehand.

HTH!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt April 06, 2008, 09:17:46 AM
Hi Healthy Bratt, I read about your success last year with the Hulda Clark Liver Cleanse. I did the same liver cleanse, last week. However, 2 hours after I drank the olive oil and took the Ornithine tablets, I threw it up. I had success in that about 1000 small stones appeared the next morning. But I am wondering what was the brand of olive oil you used? Perhaps that is where things went wrong for me. I should do the cleanse one more time...but I don't want to feel that bad again!  :( Thanks! Dana
???  I've never done a liver cleanse.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 07, 2008, 07:50:50 AM
Im doing the colonix colon cleanse right now so im wondering if this would be the prefect time to do a gallbladder cleanse also. I dont think i have any stones but just incase i wanted to try it.

Thanks!!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: westernmama April 09, 2008, 03:00:02 PM
I've been taking milk thistle/silymarin for the past month or so.  In the past week I've become terribly hungry and yet have dropped 2-3 pounds.  My stomach will growl, yet I don't crave food much.  Is this a sign of a healthier liver?  Or am I preggos and don't know it.  ;) ;)  Anybody else have this happen to you?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 11, 2008, 03:25:07 PM
Could someone who has done this before please help me out?

Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to rest the next day.

Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs too, the day before.

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.

2:00 PM. Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4 (three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

[ You can substitute 3 cups water with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice, it tastes better .]

6:00 PM. Drink one serving 3/4 (three fourths cup) of the ice cold Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, mix 1 tbs. in 3/4 (three fourth) cup water now. You may add 1/8 (one eight) tsp. vitamin C powder to improve the taste. You may also drink a few mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive oil (ozonated, if possible) and grapefruit out to warm up.

Alternative Schedule 1: Omit the first Epsom Slats dose at 6 p.m. Take only one dose, waiting till 8 p.m. Change nothing else. Many people still get stones with one less dose. If you do not, do the full course next time.  "The Cure For HIV and AIDS" By Hulda Clark pg.585

8:00 PM. Repeat by drinking another 3/4 (three fourths) cup of Epsom salts.You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.

9:45 PM. Pour 1/2 (half) cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar. Add 2 drops HCl to sterilize. Wash grapefruit twice in hot water and dry; squeeze by hand into the measuring cup. Remove pulp with fork. You should have at least 1/2 (half) cup, more (up to 3/4 (three fourths) cup) is best. You may use part lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Also add Black Walnut Tincture. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit juice does this).

Now visit the bathroom one or more time, even if it makes you late for your ten o'clock drink. Don't be more than 15 minutes late. You will get fewer stones.

10:00 PM. Drink the potion you have mixed. Take 4 ornithine capsules with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Drinking through a large plastic straw helps it go down easier. You may use oil and vinegar salad dressing, or straight honey to chase it down between sips. Have these ready in a tablespoon on the kitchen counter. Take it all to your bedside if you want, but drink it standing up. Get it down within 5 minutes (fifteen minutes for very elderly or weak persons).

Lie down immediately. You might fail to get stones out if you don't. The sooner you lie down the more stones you will get out. Be ready for bed ahead of time. Don't clean up the kitchen. As soon as the drink is down walk to your bed and lie down flat on your back with your head up high on the pillow. Try to think about what is happening in the liver. Try to keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. You may feel a train of stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles. There is no pain because the bile duct valves are open (thank you Epsom salts!). Go to sleep, you may fail to get stones out if you don't.

Next morning. Upon awakening take your third dose of Epsom salts. If you have indigestion or nausea wait until it is gone before drinking the Epsom salts. You may go back to bed. Don't take this potion before 6:00 am.

2 Hours Later. Take your fourth (the last) dose of Epsom salts. You may go back to bed again.

"The Cure For HIV and AIDS" By Hulda Clark pg.585
Alternative Schedule 2: After taking the first dose of Epsom salts in the morning, wait two hours and take a second dose of the oil mixture (but only 1/2 cup)and go back to bed. After two more hours take another dose of Epsom salts. This schedule can increase the number of stones you remove."

After 2 More Hours you may eat. Start with fruit juice. Half an hour later eat fruit. One hour later you may eat regular food but keep it light. By supper you should feel recovered.

How well did you do?

Expect diarrhea in the morning.


 

Did you follow this cleanse and do i need everything it calls for like the pills to help me sleep? Will i get sick and throw up and can i do this while doing the colonix cleanse or should i wait till afterwards? I really wanna do this but i dont have much money to spend on stuff and i need to know exactly what im doing and what to expect.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Mrs. B April 11, 2008, 03:31:37 PM

Did you follow this cleanse and do i need everything it calls for like the pills to help me sleep? Will i get sick and throw up and can i do this while doing the colonix cleanse or should i wait till afterwards? I really wanna do this but i dont have much money to spend on stuff and i need to know exactly what im doing and what to expect.

I did this one about a year ago... it was rough.  I am not one to get nauseated, but the epsom salts were VILE!  That was where I had the most problems.  The grapefruit/oil mixture was actually pretty good comparatively.
I did follow it closely except I didn't take the ornithine.  I was also unable to get down all of the epsom salts the following morning.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Linguist77 April 11, 2008, 04:10:58 PM

Did you follow this cleanse and do i need everything it calls for like the pills to help me sleep? Will i get sick and throw up and can i do this while doing the colonix cleanse or should i wait till afterwards? I really wanna do this but i dont have much money to spend on stuff and i need to know exactly what im doing and what to expect.



This is one of the least expensive cleanses in the world. I would recommend some colon cleansing first, though. I also did a parasite cleanse and kidney support, because the Epsom salts can be hard on the kidneys.

The ornithine pills are helpful, yes. The times I didn't have any on hand, I had a much harder time getting to sleep. I also have to make sure that I don't take a nap on the day of the flush!

My recommendation is to make sure you do the grapefruit and oil, not the lemon and oil. I did 7 flushes with the grapefruit mix, and then tried the lemon one last night. Horrible. Don't go there. I had to ask my husband to bring me a bowl, but still ended up keeping it down.

The Epsom salts are the hardest part. Take their advice and mix it with apple juice or grapefruit juice. I found the grapefruit/oil cocktail to be not so bad. Kind of like drinking a homemade salad dressing, especially if you have a spoonful of honey nearby (recommended!) to make things easier.

I've even taken to having a tiny bit of honey with each Epsom salt dose. It really helps, and does not interfere with the effectiveness of the flush.

There's no guarantee that you won't throw up, but I've made it through 8 flushes with only occasional nausea and no throwing up at all, and I've got a sensitive stomach. Do take Beka's advice (somewhere in this thread, I think) and make sure you don't drink anything, even water, between the 8 PM Epsom salts and the 10 PM grapefruit/oil drink. If you do, it is a certain road to nausea!

Bottom line, I worried and worried before doing the flush the first time, and felt kind of silly afterward. It wasn't so bad. It just makes you tired the next whole day, so make sure you've got help with your children then. That way you can lie in bed and make as many toilet runs as you need to.

BTW, I had to do 7 flushes before the "big one." My body is SO much happier now. I would do it all over again. Most people don't need 7 to get those results, though.  :)

You can do it!!!

HTH,
Laura
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Linguist77 April 11, 2008, 04:12:41 PM
Oh, I should add that I haven't used black walnut tincture and HCl because I didn't have them on hand. They really aren't necessary for a successful flush.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 12, 2008, 06:40:29 AM
Thank you so much. You have answered all my questions. ;)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 23, 2008, 05:02:21 PM
Ok, i have a question....whats better with the salts? Apple juice or grapefruit juice? When it says freshly pressed, does that mean like i have to do it? Would i need to juice an apple or can you buy juice that way? Where do i get it?

Also..do i stop my colonix cleanse for the two days im doing this one?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Mrs. B April 24, 2008, 01:52:54 AM
Ok, i have a question....whats better with the salts? Apple juice or grapefruit juice? When it says freshly pressed, does that mean like i have to do it? Would i need to juice an apple or can you buy juice that way? Where do i get it?

Also..do i stop my colonix cleanse for the two days im doing this one?

I used grapefruit... I bought 1 or 2, but them in half and sqeezed out the juice.  My food processer has a citrus juicer attachment...
I think that it would be better to juice it yourself as there is always some kind of preservative or additive in bottled/canned juice even if its 100% juice.
Good luck....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 24, 2008, 05:25:08 AM
Help!! Im about to start this cleanse. What do i eat? Are eggs fat free? Can i have toast with all fruit? Oatmeal with no sugar or butter is sooo gross. I dont know what to eat. HELPPPP!! :D

Can i have coffee? Oh never mind. If i cant have sugar, creamer or milk then i dont want it anyway. :(
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 24, 2008, 05:37:47 AM
n/m...i found what i can have.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 25, 2008, 04:29:40 AM
Somebody please tell me why im on the next morning of this cleanse and still havnt had one BM. Should i even continue with the salts?

Can i drink some coffee now? I think it would help me to go to the bathroom.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 25, 2008, 04:49:05 AM
Please help me!

Im worried that stones are stuck in me now that i cant go to the bathroom. I have been doing colonix cleanse with the parasite pills and i dont understand why i cant use the bathroom. Im getting scared. :(
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 25, 2008, 05:09:25 AM
K...well im done with this then. Im gonna drink some coffee and have my fiber. Is this a bad idea? Im going to do it in 10 min unless someone posts and tells me not too. :D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Mrs. B April 25, 2008, 05:38:39 AM
K...well im done with this then. Im gonna drink some coffee and have my fiber. Is this a bad idea? Im going to do it in 10 min unless someone posts and tells me not too. :D
First of all.... is your abdomen distended or painful?  If not, I wouldn't worry about not having had a BM... though it is very strange that you have not...
Drink your coffee if you feel it would help you... alot of times it has a laxative-type effect and may help get your gut moving...
Secondly... don't let this stress you.... you are doing this to be healthy and to rid your body of toxins...  Don't let the stress build up... have a relaxing day if you are able...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 25, 2008, 05:42:46 AM
Thank you so much!!! No, i dont have any pain at all. I had a bad headache yesterday but thats it. I have had my first dose of Epsom salts today. Im thinking about not even doing the last one. I dont see the point.

THANK YOU again Mrs.B!!!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 25, 2008, 06:38:43 AM
Well i finally had some little green stone things and i squeezed one to see what would happen. It just squished in my hand. What is this? Its not a stone is it?

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Chadycake April 25, 2008, 12:29:15 PM
It's my understanding that these are stones, or the beginnings of them anyway.  I got about 30 of these in my liver flush last week plus several tan colored ones that were hard but soft & green on the inside when broken open.  I think the hard tan ones are older than the green ones.

Here are some pictures you can look through: http://www.curezone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/

~W
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: twitterpated4hubby April 25, 2008, 01:22:31 PM
Oh. See i read that those were from the olive oil or something. I got bunches of them too but now im thinking they were from the olive oil so i its hard to believe they were the real thing. Maybe Becka could share what they are. I bet she would know.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Chadycake April 26, 2008, 02:58:05 PM
Oh. See i read that those were from the olive oil or something. I got bunches of them too but now im thinking they were from the olive oil so i its hard to believe they were the real thing. Maybe Becka could share what they are. I bet she would know.

Well, now that you mention it, I think there is some controversy about whether these are real or not... There is a story on curezone about someone who drank beetjuice mixed w/ the olive oil & grapefruit juice... since the "stones" did not come out red he concluded that they could not have been formed by the olive oil, but that they must be real stones.  I don't know if that's conclusive or not, though.

Hope someone else chimes in on this...

~W
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Linguist77 April 30, 2008, 12:53:41 PM
Well, I had to do 3 cleanses before I even saw a couple of little stones (and a lot of sandy sludge), but then I did 3 more with pretty much no result. After doing the MC for a week, I did flush #7 and oh boy, were there a lot of stones. Tons of them. Not soft, either! And it wasn't any food because I hadn't been eating for a week.

I think that was a good first cleanse.

That reminds me, I probably ought to do it again myself. It's been a month since that really good flush, and I bet more stones have accumulated by now.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: happymoma June 09, 2008, 07:26:29 PM
My sister in law is struggling right now with her gall bladder.  She is 6 months pregnant and her gall bladder is killing her.  Before she got pregnant she had a gall bladder attack, but was nursing at the time and so did not do a cleanse (she also is not into natural remedies).  She then got pregnant again right after finishing up nursing the first.  She is in so much pain now, she spent the day on my couch while I watched her baby.  I am wondering if there is anything she can take, or any cleanse she can do while pregnant.  I know she is worried about the cost of the surgery to remove her gall bladder so maybe she would be interested in trying a cleanse first.  Any help would be great!  Blessings!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: herbalmom June 09, 2008, 08:18:36 PM
See reply 238 on this thread- the info there might help. Also check out this thread:

 Relief for Gall Bladder Attack (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,14148.0.html)

This post might help as well:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,982.msg100567.html#msg100567 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,982.msg100567.html#msg100567)

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt June 20, 2008, 03:27:08 AM
I'm posting this here but am not sure if it is the right place so...sorry about that.  I want to know if any of you have these same "symptoms" or know what this is. 
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15683.0.html
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: springlilac July 03, 2008, 01:15:58 PM
hey I did the cleanse last night and threw up the oil/juice at 2AM.
Completely didn't work.

Anyone else had that happen?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Maria/NHM July 03, 2008, 01:19:28 PM
Me :P ;D I've done many liver flushes without much success. I threw up all that oil once and Yuck! I'm still having pain and pressure but I'm not sure what to try since I've not found the flushes to be successful for me :-\
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: springlilac July 05, 2008, 07:10:19 PM

Me :P ;D I've done many liver flushes without much success. I threw up all that oil once and Yuck! I'm still having pain and pressure but I'm not sure what to try since I've not found the flushes to be successful for me :-\

That's sad.  Hope you find something that works.  I spoke too soon.  Passed a couple stones that night.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: snickerdoodle July 10, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
Oh MY!   :o  The things you learn on WTM.   

Not sure my husband will succumb to this torture.   :D

We better start a little slower than this.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory July 31, 2008, 06:19:35 AM
I just completed my third liver flush over a year's time period.  I did the extreme flush that Rebekah mentioned in her first post, with the extra ES and coffee enemas.  I got MUCH better results this time.  At least 1 11/2 cups of sludge, probably more, and actual stones.  They were not calcified, but were well on their way.  I'm also taking some digestive enzymes, essential fatty acids, and probiotics to help my body recover.  A few days later, my skin is clearer than I ever remember it being, despite my eating foods I'm allergic to.  I can't wait to see the results from my next one!  A suggestion:  if you have blood sugar issues, keep some juice or something beside your bed and drink some before you get up the morning after the flush.  I should have done that, but didn't, and nearly passed out.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory September 22, 2008, 11:03:32 AM
Has anyone else gotten a stone stuck in the bile duct? :-\  I think I have.  What would you all do about that?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt September 23, 2008, 04:10:27 AM
Has anyone else gotten a stone stuck in the bile duct? :-\  I think I have.  What would you all do about that?
Another flush.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,940.msg1317.html#msg1317
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory September 23, 2008, 04:23:10 AM
I know. :'(  I'm doing one today.  I really didn't want to, because the last one wore me out, and I'm pretty weak and tired, and DH will be at work the next day.  But I'm sucking it up and doing it.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: lavendergirl September 23, 2008, 05:30:12 AM
       I need to do a cleanse but i'm afraid :( I' m worried about getting a stone stuck & having it rupture! I was up last night for 2 1/2 hrs. w/ gall bladder pain. I took 1 tbsp. Apple Cider vinegar in water, made a tea from : peppermint,spearmint,catnip, lemon balm , dandelion, & milk thistle. Then i did castor oil packs & PRAYED. The pain subsided & i could sleep ;D Its still pinchy  today though. It seems it acts up worse when i'm ovulating & near to my cycle ( beginning or end). I also have heartburn only round those times so i even checked the thread on estorgen dominance. I don't know what to do. I was taking Hydrangea to break up the stones. My "attacks" always start with built up gas & sometimes when the gas goes so does my discomfort. I'v only had 4 "attacks" in 4 years. I have often had pinchy times w/hormones though. Please help me :-\ I just don't know what to do. Hubby said do a cleanse but what plan? I'm sorry this was so long.... I just want this finally taken care of. I have digestion issues & we are eating healthy : very litle processed sugar, no caffeine, some bread/pasta( not near what we were having) lots of fruits/vegetables & plenty of water. I exercise 5-6 days a week( cardio/weight training), i am over weight by about 35 lbs. I take a great multi, Iodordal ( Iodine/potassium supp.) fish oil( when i remember) & floraidx iron + herbs. Where do i begin?

                   Becky
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory September 23, 2008, 06:03:29 AM
If you want to do a liver flush, you should cleanse for parasites first.  If not, you'll feel really sick during the flush.  If I were you, I would get right on it.  If you have ever had problems with constipation, do a colon cleanse first.  This will allow the liver to expel stones much more easily when you do a flush.  In the mean time, you might want to try coffee enemas.  Coffee will cause the liver to secrete bile, and may give you some temporary relief.  So colon cleanse, parasite cleanse, liver flush.  And I wouldn't worry too much about rupturing.  Read the first post of this thread, and you'll see what I mean!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: lavendergirl September 23, 2008, 06:33:02 AM
       Thanks morningglory for the fast reply ;D Do u have a colon cleanse recommendation? I have done the master cleanse before & would rather not do that again ;) also have yeast assassin. How long does each cleanse need to be? I don't have the healthiest bowels so... that cleanse would be helpful ::) I have also done just fruit/veggies for one week as well.


               Becky
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: morningglory September 23, 2008, 07:23:30 AM
http://www.drnatura.com/colonix_program.php?gclid=CJrhxoG58pUCFSCcnAodygSNfA

Here's the one I did.  It's expensive, but well worth the money.  My liver flushes have been much more successful after this cleanse.  The parasite cleanse is part of the Colonix, so that would also be taken care of.  Once you complete that, and are sure your bowels are clean, you can start flushing.  It took 3 or 4 months for me, 3 weeks for DH.  It just depends on how much cleaning out you need.  Hope that helps!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Whiterock September 23, 2008, 09:25:05 AM
       I need to do a cleanse but i'm afraid :( I' m worried about getting a stone stuck & having it rupture! I was up last night for 2 1/2 hrs. w/ gall bladder pain. I took 1 tbsp. Apple Cider vinegar in water, made a tea from : peppermint,spearmint,catnip, lemon balm , dandelion, & milk thistle. Then i did castor oil packs & PRAYED. The pain subsided & i could sleep ;D Its still pinchy  today though. It seems it acts up worse when i'm ovulating & near to my cycle ( beginning or end). I also have heartburn only round those times so i even checked the thread on estorgen dominance. I don't know what to do. I was taking Hydrangea to break up the stones. My "attacks" always start with built up gas & sometimes when the gas goes so does my discomfort. I'v only had 4 "attacks" in 4 years. I have often had pinchy times w/hormones though. Please help me :-\ I just don't know what to do. Hubby said do a cleanse but what plan? I'm sorry this was so long.... I just want this finally taken care of. I have digestion issues & we are eating healthy : very litle processed sugar, no caffeine, some bread/pasta( not near what we were having) lots of fruits/vegetables & plenty of water. I exercise 5-6 days a week( cardio/weight training), i am over weight by about 35 lbs. I take a great multi, Iodordal ( Iodine/potassium supp.) fish oil( when i remember) & floraidx iron + herbs. Where do i begin?

                   Becky

It's my understanding that you can dissolve stones without a doing a cleanse or flush (well, I guess it is a way of cleansing your gallbladder of stones). But it will take longer...

Raw Cream and raw butter are said to be excellent remedies for gallstones. For bladder and gall stones, said Paracelsus, "There is nothing so much to recommend as butter and olives."

The gall bladder is a reservoir or holding tank for bile salts, which the body uses to digest fats. When we eat fat, the body releases bile into the digestive tract to break it down into absorbable fatty acids.

Bile salts are made of cholesterol. Gall stones are a sign that your body has "decided" to increase its reservoir of cholesterol. Why would it do this? The obvious answer is that it has become "afraid" that the supply of cholesterol is low, therefore it uses the strategy of storing extra for a "rainy day."

Actually, it's quite a clever and innovative strategy. ... ...give your body what it needs, in this case more cholesterol. Once your body is convinced that you are serious and will provide it with a steady stream of cholesterol, which it desperately needs to stay alive, it will give up the flawed strategy of storing extra, the stones will dissolve and you will be well again. I know of two people who adopted this strategy, and within a year their stones completely dissolved. ... ...The best way to provide your gall bladder with cholesterol is to eat plenty of animal fats. If you eat a lot of vegetable oils and trans fats, the gall bladder is likely to become inflamed. If you are on a lowfat diet, the gall bladder atrophies because it does not have enough work to do.

And a diet high in good fats like butter, VCO, EVOO, lard, tallow, etc., is supposed to help prevent gallstones by causing the gallbladder to completely empty itself on a regular basis.

One more thing, I've also read that you can avoid gallbladder attacks by not eating carbs and fat in the same meal. Maybe that will help while you weigh your options.

WR
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: BJ_BOBBI_JO September 23, 2008, 11:21:37 AM
Good old fashion lemon juice. Drink either plain or mixed in with water.

I find drinking it plain not mixed in with anything makes the painful blocked ducts become unblocked. I drink 2 tablespoons of plain lemon juice when I have the blogged duct pains. And then on a regular bases I drink lemon juice mixed with water to help keep the ducts cleared out.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: rainygladness October 08, 2008, 08:41:07 AM
WR, the quotes you posted were very interesting.  What is their source? It makes perfect sense to me.  I ate very low fat years ago and then a couple years later I had gall bladder attacks during pregnancy and the Doctor said I should have my gall bladder removed after the baby was born, which, regrettably I did.  This was all way before I ever went "natural" and healthy and all that jazz.  Oh well, can't go back in time and put it back no matter how I wish I could!  But I think Doctors ought to be jailed for not giving their patients options and at least telling them that there are REAL alternatives! 

So NOW my question (to all you liver flushing pro's) is this - if you have no gall bladder and you do a liver flush, is it necessary to drink the oil?  ???  I read on this thread that the oil mixed with grapefruit juice is specifically for the gall bladder.
 
My husband and I just finished up a string of cleanses.  We'll probably post our experience here in a bit, but basically we did a kidney cleanse, then a parasite cleanse and then a liver flush. The hardest part of the liver flush is drinking epsom salts.  Ewww!!!  One of THE most horrid tastes ever.  I am so glad that is over.  We passed a LOT of stones, my husband more than me.  (Maybe because I don't have a gall bladder??)

Well, anyway, my husband said Dr. Hulda's book recommended 2 more liver flushes spaced 2 weeks apart. 
So, if that happens I sure would like to know about the oil thing.  Anyone know about this?



: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Whiterock October 10, 2008, 05:42:06 AM
The second one is from an "Ask the Doctor" article on the Weston A Price Foundation website. The first one is probably from the WAPF too but I don't remember where.

WR
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: rainygladness October 26, 2008, 02:01:10 AM
... if you don't have a gall bladder and you do a liver flush, is it necessary to drink the oil?    I read on this thread that the oil mixed with grapefruit juice is specifically for the gall bladder.

BUMP
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again December 15, 2008, 04:46:31 PM
Posted by: rainygladness Posted on: October 08, 2008, 12:41:07 PM
Well, anyway, my husband said Dr. Hulda's book recommended 2 more liver flushes spaced 2 weeks apart.
So, if that happens I sure would like to know about the oil thing.  Anyone know about this?

Hulda wrote in her book that the oil is for lubrication.
The magnesium, in the salts, keeps the bile ducts open.
...forgot what she said the grapefruit is for....
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: earthymama3 January 18, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Hi everyone,

I am new to gall bladder problems.  I had my first attack about three weeks ago.  It was scary.  Anyway, I did this cleanse Friday night/saturday morning. 

I followed  Hulda Clark's schedule fairly closely.  I did wake up at 2 AM feeling terribly nauseous and weak, but I managed to not throw up and I drank some coconut water to replenish some of the fluid loss and boost my energy.  I was able to go back to sleep.  I woke up at 6 and took the epsom salts again, went to sleep for a while again, took more epsom's at 8, and that was when I started passing literally hundreds of gall stones.  They were not calcified, but there were so many of them.  The largest one, I think, was about 1.5 cm diameter.  After feeling so yuck in the middle of the night, I was so relieved to be getting results.  But there was no pain at all.  The only ill effects were the nausea and the weakness from the diarrhea.  There was no cramping or pain otherwise.

BTW, I am nursing a 12 month old baby twice a day and still felt fairly comfortable doing this cleanse.  He had no ill effects at all, and my milk supply held up.  I felt better about doing this cleanse than I would have about doing surgery.  I may do this once or twice a year in the future to keep clean.

Hope this helps anyone who's considering doing a cleanse.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 18, 2009, 04:13:02 PM

[forgot what she said the grapefruit is for]


The Grapefruit in the cleanse is to make the oil go down nicer. It taste a lot better that way.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama January 19, 2009, 07:26:37 AM
I also think that grapefruit (lemon as well) is helpful even alone for detoxing the liver and gallbladder.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 22, 2009, 09:31:00 PM

. It's actually not that bad in grapefruit juice.
 The epsom salts

[/quote]

Thank you so much for this bit of information forevergirl. I am doing my third flush and was dreading the Epsom salts to the point of tears. I can do the rest of it but the taste of the salts is too much for me. The grapefruit juice was a blessing. I handled it just fine.Thank you! thank you! thank you!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 29, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
I have just been through a week of juicing cleanse and finished it off with the Hulda Clark's Gallbladder cleanse. I now think I have a UTI. I got one the last time I did the Gallbladder cleanse. Can anyone tell me why I get the UTIs with the cleanse?

Also After the cleanse my rashes were gone for 3 or 4 days and now they are back. I didn't get any gallstones out when doing the cleanse just the pea size and smaller bits.

I am also doing the water cure which is why the UTI is not real bad just a bit itchy on occasion. I am on a gluten free diet as I thought it was the reason for the rash but I haven't started eating gluten again. I am at a loss.

So now what should I do?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: paradisemamma January 29, 2009, 04:20:50 PM
I have just been through a week of juicing cleanse and finished it off with the Hulda Clark's Gallbladder cleanse.

 I was wondering if the juicing cleanse you did was for also for the liver/gallbladder cleanse. I  just got a juicer and I am wondering how to put it to use for a liver cleanse ???
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 29, 2009, 04:58:02 PM
I did the juicing cleanse to try to get rid of any cortisone left in my body from cream I was using and also to rid my body of any gluten that may be left in it to make sure I am not gluten intolerant. It was said on the cure zone to be good to clean the kidneys. It is a good cleanse to do in my oppion as far as not to hard to handle. The first days you may get detox symptoms. I got a very bad head ache but later I felt great. Even took the youngs ladies at church iceskating and hung in right with them. So I had good energy levels. I lost weight to :-X which is a bonus :

I do recommend to do the water cure if you have never done a cleanse first. It is easy on the body. and really we should be drinking that amount of water anyways. But I am no expert in any of these things so it may be best to get someone elses oppion.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: paradisemamma January 29, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
I did the juicing cleanse to try to get rid of any cortisone left in my body from cream I was using and also to rid my body of any gluten that may be left in it to make sure I am not gluten intolerant. It was said on the cure zone to be good to clean the kidneys. It is a good cleanse to do in my oppion as far as not to hard to handle. The first days you may get detox symptoms. I got a very bad head ache but later I felt great. Even took the youngs ladies at church iceskating and hung in right with them. So I had good energy levels. I lost weight to :-X which is a bonus :

I do recommend to do the water cure if you have never done a cleanse first. It is easy on the body. and really we should be drinking that amount of water anyways. But I am no expert in any of these things so it may be best to get someone elses oppion.
What fruit/veg did you juice and how much, how long , etc...Can I eat anything during that time? I've never done a juice cleanse and this seems like a great place to start.  I am gradually increasing my water intake(with lemon). I'm drinking about 3 quarts a day and my goal is 4 quarts. Any info on the juice cleanse for the liver would be great.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 29, 2009, 07:39:29 PM

This is the web site telling abit more about cleanses.
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/kidney/default.asp

This is some recipes for juicing. I just threw in what I thought would be good and if it wasn't I added v8
http://www.healingdaily.com/juicing-for-health/juicing-recipes.htm

There is another site but I can't find it right now. If you google juicing cleanse it should help you.

With the water cure I drink a liter in the morning before eating any thing. Takes around an hour and then another in the afternoon around 2pm. In getting it this way I feel as I am flushing out any toxins I can.

I did the juice cleanse for 9 days. I had only juice and some of the pulp to eat, as I feel it is a waste to throw it away. I drank as much as I wanted and had nothing to eat except some of the pulp. You aren't really hungry just want food when you are preparing it for the family, is what I find.

If you are trying to clean out the liver I do think the juice is supposed to be one of the best things to do.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 29, 2009, 07:40:21 PM
bump
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys January 29, 2009, 07:41:27 PM
I have just been through a week of juicing cleanse and finished it off with the Hulda Clark's Gallbladder cleanse. I now think I have a UTI. I got one the last time I did the Gallbladder cleanse. Can anyone tell me why I get the UTIs with the cleanse?

Also After the cleanse my rashes were gone for 3 or 4 days and now they are back. I didn't get any gallstones out when doing the cleanse just the pea size and smaller bits.

I am also doing the water cure which is why the UTI is not real bad just a bit itchy on occasion. I am on a gluten free diet as I thought it was the reason for the rash but I haven't started eating gluten again. I am at a loss.

So now what should I do?


bump
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again February 04, 2009, 08:46:08 AM

I have just been through a week of juicing cleanse and finished it off with the Hulda Clark's Gallbladder cleanse. I now think I have a UTI. I got one the last time I did the Gallbladder cleanse. Can anyone tell me why I get the UTIs with the cleanse?

Also After the cleanse my rashes were gone for 3 or 4 days and now they are back. I didn't get any gallstones out when doing the cleanse just the pea size and smaller bits.

I am also doing the water cure which is why the UTI is not real bad just a bit itchy on occasion. I am on a gluten free diet as I thought it was the reason for the rash but I haven't started eating gluten again. I am at a loss.

So now what should I do?
What should you do now, or what should you have done? 
There's lots of threads on uti's and what to do about them.  Lovingly i say, that's off topic. This is a liver flush thread. 
  So um.. before posting i did read your earlier posts and found no mention of you doing the kidney herbs in preparation for the liver flush.  If you did, then correct me for the record.  For posterity's sake, allow me to say...
    Hulda's protocol suggests the use of hydrangea, gravel and marshmallow roots, for three weeks prior to the liver flush.  This gets your kidneys (and bowels) ready to move all that junk when it cuts loose. There's a parsley broth that is to be taken regularly as well.   
   If one does not prepare for the cleanse properly, according to her protocol, then sickness and complications may result.  IMO, your garbage disposal was sluggish.  When those toxins released - filling up the toilet - they also reabsorbed because they couldn't all make it out.  The weakest link in your immune system failed.   Some folks get a fever or a cold or something. 
You got a uti.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys February 04, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
Okay I do a maintenance parasite cleanse so that was taken care of.

As for the kidney cleanse I didn't do Hulda's.  I did the water cure for at least two weeks before and then 9 days before I did a juicing cleanse. I had nothing but fresh veggies and fruits juiced. This did include parsley and Ginger in the juices. And I took vit. b's as well. On the curezone site it said that juice cleanse were kidney cleanses. Maybe I should try again with her kidney cleanse.

 Did I mess up in using fruit juice? I did juice it so it was fresh but I am thinking maybe it was not good for cleansing the kidneys?

The UTI is gone now and I am guessing all the water I am drinking just took care of it as I am still doing the water cure thing. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again February 05, 2009, 07:31:52 PM
Did I mess up in using fruit juice? I did juice it so it was fresh but I am thinking maybe it was not good for cleansing the kidneys?

The UTI is gone now and I am guessing all the water I am drinking just took care of it as I am still doing the water cure thing. 
Pliny wrote that "anyone taking a spoonful of mallows will be free of disease."
John Parkinson said that when the same is boiled in water with parsley it, "doth help to open the body."  Parsley juice might work topically as an insect repellent, but as a renal decongestant, you best broth it like the lady [Hulda] says. 
Did you mess up in using fruit juice?  i dunno. What fruit did you use?  Was it organic or not?  And, i do not know if you were combining builders [vegetables] with cleansers [fruits] - that's a mistake IMO.  [These are rhetorical questions, totally off topic.] i went over to curezone to try to get an idea of what their juicing trip is.  The guy's liaryer had the document delisted because of something or other.
If by water cure you're talking 8-10 cups a day [that's what curezone said], that should be a way of life; not some passing 'cleanse' or 'therapy.' 
Divide your weight in half, and drink at least that many ounces of pure water a day, for the rest of your life.  There's little doubt in my mind that that is what kicked the uti.... good job. :)
And this i say not to amanda but to others now and later -
A Cure For All Diseases is a great book.  Hulda is a heroic empiric; very extreme and very disciplined.  i think that anyone using her methods ought not lean unto their own understanding.  Get, or borrow, the book.  She reverses dairy intolerance in the elderly[!], reverses hiv and stops terminal cancer in its tracks.  What, do folks presume to improve on her methods?
Really amanda, nothing personal, i just loath how her stuff is cut and pasted around the internet, and taken out of her context.
Oh, amanda, if you use the herbs 3 weeks prior next time and still get a uti, i'll be flabbergasted.  ???
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys February 08, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
ok I think I am getting off of the subject of this thread but would like to still be asking doug-again this question.

Please excuse my ignorance but what is an IMO? As for the juice I had all sorts. Not organic.  I had fruit juice in the morning up until 12:00pm and then switched to veggie for the rest of the day. I have looked up the other and may give the herbs a try if I can get them as I live in Australia. So I can't order them as they won't make it though quarantine.

Thank you so much for your help.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: herbalmom February 08, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
Please excuse my ignorance but what is an IMO?

IMO= In my opinion

Check this thread for a list of the abbreviations commonly used on the Internet:

 List of Common Internet [Online, Chat] Abbreviations [Acronyms] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1698.60.html)

HTH (hope this helps) Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mykidsmom February 09, 2009, 03:16:53 AM
Okay ladies - I have scanned this thread but not read all 13 pages!   :o  Question about gallbladder flushes and children.  My 9yr old DS is getting an ultrasound today for what our ND thinks is gallstones.  This would be the result of not digesting fats for nearly his whole life.  We have that problem solved now (by taking ox bile for the time being), but fats make him VERY sick.  No pain.  Just sick.  Headaches, dizzy, etc.  He is plagued with food allergies that are getting better with the added ox bile; but they still exist. 

So if this US shows gallstones/sludge, can a flush be done on a child and in what amounts should stuff be given (enemas, oils, epsom salts, etc.)?  We will not allow surgery to be done on our DS.  Also, would there be the kind of pain most people have when passing gallstones with a child passing them? (I guess what I really mean is can they really get that big with a child so young?).

TIA

patti
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: mykidsmom February 09, 2009, 09:01:52 AM
Okay ladies - I have scanned this thread but not read all 13 pages!   :o  Question about gallbladder flushes and children.  My 9yr old DS is getting an ultrasound today for what our ND thinks is gallstones.  This would be the result of not digesting fats for nearly his whole life.  We have that problem solved now (by taking ox bile for the time being), but fats make him VERY sick.  No pain.  Just sick.  Headaches, dizzy, etc.  He is plagued with food allergies that are getting better with the added ox bile; but they still exist. 

So if this US shows gallstones/sludge, can a flush be done on a child and in what amounts should stuff be given (enemas, oils, epsom salts, etc.)?  We will not allow surgery to be done on our DS.  Also, would there be the kind of pain most people have when passing gallstones with a child passing them? (I guess what I really mean is can they really get that big with a child so young?).

TIA

patti


BUMP
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again February 10, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
As for the juice I had all sorts. Not organic. I had fruit juice in the morning up until 12:00pm and then switched to veggie for the rest of the day.
Oops, you should have used organic produce.  You just replaced old toxins with new ones.
Good job on separating the fruits and veggies, though - cleansing in the morning and building through the day. That's a great way of doing it.  As a suggestion, the next time you wish to decongest your liver, you could try the apple juice diet that Hanna Kroeger published:
    First Day         
    Do not eat any food, just drink...
          1 8oz glass of apple juice @ 8am
          1 16oz glass at 10am
          another @ 12pm and then every
          2 hours until 6pm.
The juice should be organic, or from a trusted source.
It should be free from sweeteners and colors.
Again, no food is to be taken for the whole day.
Second Day
    Same procedure as the first day,  and no food.
          At bedtime take 4 ounces of olive oil. 
You may wash the oil down with hot lemon or apple juice.         
This diet usually starts to work around 4am. 
The little green stones that you'll see in the fecal
matter are from your liver and gall bladder.
The malic acid in the apples dissolves and liquefies the old stagnant bile,
and the olive oil moves the whole mess.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender March 24, 2009, 05:42:21 PM
Ok my husband wants to do flush/cleans but it says your supposed to do a parasite cleans and kidney cleans first.But he's had some huge gallbladder attacs and i think he needs to do the flush/cleans ASAP or he might have to get his gallbladder removed. Can you skip the other two cleanses and go straight to flush/cleans and still get good results?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys March 24, 2009, 07:01:40 PM
Motherof3,

I am not to sure but I do know that the reflexoligist that told me to do this flush did not have me do all of those other things. So I am guessing that you can.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again March 28, 2009, 04:14:17 PM
Hey yeah, hubs can do the cleanse without prepping.
It could make him sick for days or a week,
  depending where all the bugs land,
    and how much toxins loosen,
     and where it all settles.

It is not too late to take vermifuges, hepatics and diuretics.
Like parsley broth, how much time does that take?
That'll help right away - as well as after the cleanse.

Not everyone gets sick; right away anyway.
amanda, as you see, didn't get sick.
Reckon she's healthier than hubbo tho',
 having 5 kids and getting reflexology and all.**smiles**



: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender March 29, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
Thanks everyone, Hubby did his flush and it worked super good ;D
This flush worked 10 times better than the one he did last year.

The one he did last year was no fasting, 10 limes and 1 cup olive oil drink that in the evening and walk around till you need to go. :( And he was up for most of the night going to the bathroom. He felt sick for quite some time after that.


The one from curezone.com was much more gentle and did a better jod.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: SewHappyMomma April 01, 2009, 03:06:22 PM
I'm considering my first cleanse, thanks to all the Wows on Welltellme!  I've been having gall bladder issues (diagnosed by my DO) since 5-6 months after giving birth to my third child.  Tests reveal that it's not inflammed or containing stones, but it is not functioning properly.  The doctor's recommendation is to try to heal it with diet for 6 weeks, and then try a mild cleanse, so as not to unload everything from the liver into the gallbladder and cause stones to form.  (I've been reading about a mild flush on www.gallbladderattack.com)
I'm curious if anyone else has had a similar case, or would suggest a varying course to help with the minor/uncomfortable pain.  I've also read that doing a flush while the gall bladder isn't functioning so well might result in more pain.  We don't know why it's not functioning properly.  (Could be related to pregnancy)  I'd really like to keep my gall bladder!  Any thoughts would be most welcome.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender April 14, 2009, 04:34:02 AM
My husband is doing his second liver/gallbladder flush and the weirdest thing is happening, it's been 38 hours  :o and nothing is coming out ???
He had 1 full cup of olive oil instead of a half cup....and nothing is happening. He said he's having some chest pain or discompfert but it's not super painfull.

Has this ever happen to anyone, is it somthing to worry about? 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys April 16, 2009, 11:37:55 AM
That sounds very weird. Nothing at all is happening? No bowel movments?

check out the curezone thing about epsom salt.

I have a question as well. I have a Friend that just found out that she has excess liver enzymes but she is pregnant. What can she do to cleanse her liver safely with baby on the way?

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys April 22, 2009, 02:22:55 PM
Motherofthree,

How is your husband?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender April 22, 2009, 04:22:37 PM

My hubby's good, I think it was a lack of epsom salt and he had a slice of toast to keep him from puking out the lomon/olive oil mixture and i think maybe the toast prevented the olive oil from doing it's work.The toast never stoped my flush. So on the third and forth day i gave him more grapefruit/epsom salt and it finaly came out, weird. And he still had a few little stones, but i think he still more b/c his attacks aren't going away.
He wants to do The Master Cleanse and on the last day do another olive oil
mixture maybe that will get rid of ALL the stones.

Thanks for asking ;D
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender April 22, 2009, 04:50:04 PM
I have a question as well. I have a Friend that just found out that she has excess liver enzymes but she is pregnant. What can she do to cleanse her liver safely with baby on the way?



Sorry I don't know about the liver enzymes. If she is feeling sick maybe there's herb she can take till
her pregnancy is done and then do some sort of cleanse. I like The Master Cleanse it seems to an all
in one kind of cleanse. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: beppyjo April 22, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
Has anyone purchased any of the cleanse products from http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?display=products&view=list (http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/index.php?display=products&view=list). I read about them in the cancer book by Ty M Bollinger
I am particularly interested in the stone softening tincture. Here: http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/product.php?ID=68 (http://www.baselinenutritionals.com/product.php?ID=68)

  I am interested in these products because I can't stomach the thought of so much oil. :-X :-X :-X

 Also, I did the colon cleanse through Dr Schulze about 6wks-2months ago. Should I repeat it before doing a kidney/liver/gallbladder cleanse?  Or was it recent enough? TIA!

ETA:  Further research makes it appear as though the John Barron products and Dr Schulzes products are about the same...... So has anybody done the kidney or liver detox through Dr Schulze? I would love to hear testimonials. I am a little scared......... Also, does anybody know if you are supposed to do his kidney before or after his liver cleanse? TIA!!!   
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender April 26, 2009, 02:56:50 PM
Here is a link to a website i found about liver enzymes, I foun it interesting.

http://www.herbal-provider.com/liver-enzymes.html

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: amandas5boys April 26, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
Thanks so much fort hat Motherofthree,

My friend has been back to the DR./ and she said that it isn't much to worry about that she is fine.

There is also a baby in our church with elevated liver enzymes. Mother was told it was the kind to do with the sun. So I said get that baby in the sun. Reminds me of jundice. but the baby also is going though a lot of test for celiac and cystic fibrosis. The poor sweety looks so frail. Celiac has come back negative.

Thanks for your help. I really didn't understand it either. that was a great article I appreciate your research
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Suchender April 27, 2009, 11:03:05 AM
Your wellcome amandas5boys.

It's always fascinating to find out how the human body works ;D

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: snickerdoodles May 03, 2009, 03:42:39 PM
Chadycakes, if you were right here in the flesh, instead of being virtually present, I'd take you right into the kitchen and give you some kombucha (KT) and a starter to take home.  It is really great for the liver!!!  Made from sweet cool tea and a floating "mother", Kombucha tea is a fermented drink that is high in glucuronic acid, which is manufactured in (tiny) amounts in a healthy liver; it binds permanently with toxins until they are eliminated.  Kombucha also is high in live active enzymes, B vitamins, and other good stuff.  It has been around a long time, and migrated all over the world.  Where it stays in use, people are healthy, and do not get cancer.  And it is delicious!!!  A little like hard cider (which I adore!)  Unfortunately, I am new to online and don't know how to paste and hyperlink and all that; but just google it!  Actually, if you have Nourishing Traditions, you not only have some info (sidebars) but a receipe as well.  Milk Thistle extract is also a powerful detox and tonifier for the liver.

There is a huge amount of wisdom in Peter J. D'Adamo's books, too; he wrote Eat Right For Your Type, and 11 years later, a really cool book (just out) which refines the "blood type" connection even further. It is called the Geno Type Diet.  I am telling you this because you could make yourself sick by eating a lot of meat and dairy if you are blood type A, for instance.  Type A's have the weakest stomach acid of all, and the highest incidence of stomach cancer. Many type A's live on Maalox and Tums, because they seem to have too much acid, and really the problem is that they do not have enough to digest the heavy meat-protein diet...so their bodies are constantly trying to catch up.  It is, I believe, the missing link in all of our health info.  I really believe that in the future, one's blood type will play a significant part in determining medical treatment.  This is really, really worth a look.  I am a blood type B and can eat dairy products with impunity...but you may not be (a B) !!!!!  What's your blood type, Chadycakes?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: snickerdoodles May 03, 2009, 03:51:38 PM
Rebekah, maybe you can help with advice.  I had a single, huge gallstone several years ago but didn't get surgery; instead, I took some sort of acid pill that was supposed to dissolve it, and spent 2 years on a super low fat diet;  I have been off it now for 5 or 6 years, but have occasional problems...I have been very leery of the olive oil cleanse because it seemed to me that so much oil all at once could trigger a gallbladder attack.  Could it?  Your results sounded so encouraging, I'm almost ready to try it, but I don't know the whole story.  You said it was successful...but what, exactly, can happen when it is not?  Thanks for helping!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Chickory Chick June 12, 2009, 02:05:26 AM
Hello everyone,

It has been ages since I have visited here.  My Niece in Law is pregnant and she just found out that she needs to have her gall bladder removed (they are going to try and wait until after the pregnancy).  I was wondering if she could possibly try the olive oil/grapefruit/epsom salt combination, w/o having to do a cleanse (maybe just not eat for a couple hours ahead of time?).  She is a vegetarian.  Any advice would be appreciated. 

Thanks!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: SewHappyMomma June 12, 2009, 03:45:55 AM
While I don't have experience with gall bladder pain during pregnancy, mine occured while nursing.  Most of the cleanses I avoided.  One website which gave me a wealth of information to understand what was going on with my GB was gallbladderattack.com.  It turns out that mine is not functioning properly, which could be treated without removal.  A more specific diagnosis of the issue would be required, and even without purchasing her products (a little pricey in my opinion), there are many recommendations she could do to help the GB.  Being a vegetarian, she would probably find the recommedations much more palatable than I did!  Beets and cucumbers are key.
RE

Hello everyone,

It has been ages since I have visited here.  My Niece in Law is pregnant and she just found out that she needs to have her gall bladder removed (they are going to try and wait until after the pregnancy).  I was wondering if she could possibly try the olive oil/grapefruit/epsom salt combination, w/o having to do a cleanse (maybe just not eat for a couple hours ahead of time?).  She is a vegetarian.  Any advice would be appreciated. 

Thanks!
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: milmuth August 10, 2009, 09:50:16 AM
For those who have done the liver cleanse/flush- particularly some time ago.

I read that, even if successful, most people will remake stones within 5yrs.  So, how often do you really do this flush?  annually?  more, less?
have you had to repeat it because of return of symptoms (assuming that they went away after the first time or a few tries)?

tia 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: hi_itsgwen August 10, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
I found this article hugely helpful in understanding the role that the gall bladder and liver play, and how to maintain health in both.  http://www.karenhurd.com/concern_gall_bladder.html

It seems to me, that after a flush, if you're not clearing the bile out of the colon, then it's only a matter of time before the problems return.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: milmuth August 12, 2009, 10:02:26 AM
for the record....

ok, here is my experience.
troubles:
sudden STRONG pain in side started 1.5weeks ago.  since it went away, we thought gallbladder.  lab tests showed slightly high cholesterol (a new thing for me, was perfect last year) but HDL was high so not concerned.  otherwise, fine.
pain came and went off/on since then, but only once was it as bad.  tried eating lots of fats to "test" my theory but didn't notice a difference- no worse, but no better.

only time it was ok was eating just fruit for breakfast.

Monday- I did the liver cleanse (no modifications) by Clark.  Tuesday morning, after things finally started moving, the pain INSTANTLY was gone.  I did not examine findings, sorry not my thing  :P  ate lunch with lots of fiber (see post above by hi_itsgwen) and fruit, but small amount of fat.  was fine.  dinner- vegetable/bean soup with homemade chicken broth(Fattier)  1hr later, pain was back.  Not as bad a first time, didn't go away before bedtime, sometime later (not sure what time)

today, achey pain off/on again.  not as before the cleanse, but still happening.  S

Conclusions:
was this cleanse not enough?  only patially successful?  I'm glad I did the cleanse as the bloated/"tire around middle" feeling I have had since my last birth (6months ago) is gone.  Also, I don't feel sluggish after eating either. I think that even if it didn't "work" that it did help b/c it pulled out the "old" bile and is helping me get my liver working better, which is always a good thing.

still going for testing tomorrow to confirm this is the issue.

still eating beets every meal and beans in large qmounts as well daily. 

the high soluable fiber info posted by hi_itsgwen was very helpful and makes alot of sense.  esp for people with allergies that can't eat wheat- tend not to get as much good fiber .  I know I don't b/c I just don't spend money on special foods for me like I would for my children or husband. at least not that type of fiber, I do get LOTS of veggie fiber :)

just my experience.  hth someone
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: hi_itsgwen August 12, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
Hey Milmuth...glad you found the article helpful! :)  It's possible that you have a stone or stones that are intermittently blocking and causing pain.  It sounds like you've got a good handle on it with diet, and based on what Karen Hurd says in the link, it may just take a bit of time to dissolve the stones.  If your cholesterol was up at your last appt. I would bet that the fiber/recycling bile was your problem.  I think she gives a time frame for clearing stones just with the fiber.

P.S. I also read that applesauce is high in soluable fiber.  You may want to double check that, but it would be a nice quick alternative for snacks.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: Jade August 12, 2009, 07:18:51 PM
I haven't read through all 14 pages, so this may have already been mentioned.

Milmuth, Dr. Foster sells a Stone Dissolve tea that is supposed to be good for gallstones and kidney stones. A quote from the site:

"This very valuable combination of herbs has been used by traditional herbalists to painlessly dissolve all kinds of stones in the body including gallstones, kidney stones, bladder stones and other types of stones. The common name for Eupatorium Purpureum is Gravel root, thus named because of its effects on gravel (stones) in the body. Can also be of benefit in gout, arthritis, dysuria, cystitis, urethritis, prostate troubles, endometriosis, and ovarian issues. Encourages the elimination of excess uric acid. The stone-dissolving routine only takes 3 days, otherwise, for other uses a small amount can be consumed daily. Very soothing tea that contains anti inflammatory herbs. I've known severe gallstone and kidney stone pain to pass in as little as 24 hours with this tea. Those with kidney stones, gout and arthritis should follow up with the Kidney Revitalization Program in order to heal further. "

Ingredients:
Organically Grown/ Wildharvested Hydrangea arborescens (Hydrangea root), Eupatorium Purpureum (Gravel root) and other supportive herbs.


Maybe this is something that would be helpful? I've used the tea before as part of a routine cleanse (no known stones), and it was actually quite pleasant to drink, especially as opposed to some other natural remedies! As to whether or not it's actually effective... *shrugs*... who knows? I don't think I had any stones, so it'd be hard to tell. Didn't seem to do any harm, anyway.  :)

Dr. Foster also sells a Liver/Gallbladder formula that, if you choose to use it, you may want to buy the capsules instead of the tincture. It is NOT tasty and rather hard to choke down at times. Also, she recommends using lobelia if you have a "stuck" stone.

Hope you're completely better soon!

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: milmuth August 13, 2009, 09:55:17 AM
thanks for all the info.

yes, apples are very high in fiber.  you can actually buy apple pectin fiber at the hfs, NOW produces it rather inexpensively.  there are other brands too.  also very good for binding with metals/toxins itself, so extra helpful in getting rid of the dyes etc in some nuc medicine tests.

FOR ANYONE BREASTFEEDING:

NO you should NOT nurse for at least 48hrs after a gallbladder scan.  I had three different people tell me 3 diff things on this, and all 3 were in the nuc medicine dept of the local hospital that I went to.  NONE of them were correct, and NONE of them were safe answers.  Only when I asked to speak to the radioligist directly did I get the true scientific medical answer.  So be wise and be sure to dig for the truth- techs are the only ones I intereacted with but non of them knew this basic info. 

update:
I had an US today- NO stones, NO sludge, no problems identified.  and for the record, I was in pain during this test despite having nothing to eat or drink since a bedtime snack the night before (over 10hrs!)

so, I did the nuc scan.  my gallbladder isn't functioing properly.  normal ejection fracture is 35%.  mine is at 21%

QUESTIONS:

if it is a function problem, why did the cleanse feel better?

will the dietary routines recommended by Karen Hurd help with this as well?

is it hopeless if the gallbladder isn't working?
tahnks for any and all help :)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: hi_itsgwen August 13, 2009, 06:24:58 PM
I did a little searching and found this article helpful:
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/chlorogenic.htm 

The article states that eating triggers hormones that cause the gall bladder to release.  So I'm guessing that's why you were hurting...10 hours of holding onto bile salts with no relief.

I also saw several references to low fat diets and fast weight loss being contributing factors to problems with the gall bladder, as not enough bile is being produced in that situation.

If you're finding relief with diet, I would continue to do what you've been doing.  Also, you may try to contact Karen Hurd and see if she has any ideas or insights.

Praying for ya!
~Gwen
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: milmuth October 12, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
ok, a few more questions:

it's been two months of this now.  mostly eating very low fat, but craving fat so eat it sometime- then get pain.  achey on my side often too (not necessarily related to eating fat).  no longer constant or daily, but still quite often.  only severe about once a week or two weeks.  haven't tracked it close enough to see what correspondence to diet it might be.

I'm still nursing the baby.

so, I think there is improvement, but I"m wondering how long to expect this to take to fully recover? 

and, how much, if any, fat I should be eating at this time?  I'd like to get back to some eggs, avocado, meat....etc. 

If there is pain, is that a sign to back off on fats and need to rest the gallbladder?

I'm taking digestive enzymes, probiotics, about 2 TBSP flax seed (fresh gground) and 1-2TBSP milk thistle seed (fresh ground).   how much milk thistle seed is therapeutic, does anyone know?

Thanks for any help you can give...any encouragement would be appreciated.  still trying to resolve this without suregery but don't want to take a year to do it either  :-\
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama October 12, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Is another one or series of flushes possible for you? Is weaning soon an option?

Do your digestive enzymes have ox bile and betaine HCL? If not find one with those in it and see if it doesn't make a difference. Take them every time you eat a meal. They must be taken in the middle of a meal, and a light snack may not be enough food for those ing. to function correctly.

IMO, lowfat will exacerbate the problem, although I can certainly understand why you are doing it.
The ND we have consulted believes the way to correct low gallbladder function is to increase fat intake will take HCL and ox bile as part of a comprehensive enzyme supplement. This will trigger your gallbladder while supporting fat digestion until things normalize.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: tynnille October 12, 2009, 01:37:09 PM
I have heard that people with gallbladder issues and even for those who do not have a gallbladder you can use Coconut Oil since it doesn't require the gallbladder bile to digest it. Check into this since you are craving more oil than you are currently eating.
Tennille
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daniel3737 March 20, 2011, 12:42:08 PM
Hello Milmuth,

I am kinda new to this forum. Wanted to keep up was going on with health regimens. Don't know if you are still having gallbladder pains but if you still do I recommend maybe doing a parasite cleanse first as sometimes parasites can get the bile ducts in a severely contracted manner. These prevents the bile ducts to relax at intervals.

Also look into something called the pulverexx protocol. It helps to pulverize the gallstones so that when you do your flush it comes out as sludge. Just hope you haven't gone through
 gallbladder surgery (http://www.gallbladderdetox.com). That should be the last resort. My father's health deteriorated after such a procedure because he wasn't digesting foods properly and his liver was struggling to keep up.

Hope you are feeling better.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: talula May 10, 2011, 01:11:06 PM
I'm new here and need some help.  To make a long story short I  found out I have gallstones. I dont want surgery.  I would like to do the Clark cleanse but have heard a parasite cleanse would be good to do first.  I see the surgeon next week and I'm going to see if he will order another test after the cleanse.

Anyway, the parasite cleanse it seems takes 3mos. according to the one I read About from BHS.  I should propably insist the surgeon give me time to work this out on my own first.  I'm only seeing him because my doc. insisted.

I also had a amall hyatal hernial which I think is actually causing the painful attacks.

Any advise would help.

Thanks, Talula
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daisey May 10, 2011, 03:38:06 PM
I'm new here and need some help.  To make a long story short I  found out I have gallstones. I dont want surgery.  I would like to do the Clark cleanse but have heard a parasite cleanse would be good to do first.  I see the surgeon next week and I'm going to see if he will order another test after the cleanse.

Anyway, the parasite cleanse it seems takes 3mos. according to the one I read About from BHS.  I should propably insist the surgeon give me time to work this out on my own first.  I'm only seeing him because my doc. insisted.

I also had a amall hyatal hernial which I think is actually causing the painful attacks.

Any advise would help.

Thanks, Talula

No advise really, other than this.........do everything you possibly can to keep your gallbladder!   I had mine out 2 months after my last child was born 18 years ago and have regretted it ever since.  :(   If you aren't in dire pain take your time and do what you can.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: talula May 10, 2011, 04:21:24 PM
I think that is what the Lord is leading me to do...avoid surgery.  thanks for your imput.  Can I ask why you regret having your gallbladder out?  Just curious.  My hubby and sister in laws have no regrets and did fine with the surgery but have bouts of diareah (sp?) occaisionally.  I did have a friend who was  in the hospital for a long time with complications afer hers.  I think they were all done lapriscopicly (sp?).  Different surgeons too. 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: daisey May 11, 2011, 07:58:52 AM
The surgery itself was not a big deal.......lapriscopic.....but the after affects are what I hate.   I have the same problem.......frequent diarrhea, which seems to be totally food related but I can't pin it down to any certain food because one time I will think it is one thing and the next it seems to be something else.   I have always had weak intestinal system so this just adds to the distress.   
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: healthybratt May 11, 2011, 09:22:14 AM
I'm new here and need some help.  To make a long story short I  found out I have gallstones. I dont want surgery.  I would like to do the Clark cleanse but have heard a parasite cleanse would be good to do first.  I see the surgeon next week and I'm going to see if he will order another test after the cleanse.

Anyway, the parasite cleanse it seems takes 3mos. according to the one I read About from BHS.  I should propably insist the surgeon give me time to work this out on my own first.  I'm only seeing him because my doc. insisted.

I also had a amall hyatal hernial which I think is actually causing the painful attacks.

Any advise would help.

Thanks, Talula

No advise really, other than this.........do everything you possibly can to keep your gallbladder!   I had mine out 2 months after my last child was born 18 years ago and have regretted it ever since.  :(   If you aren't in dire pain take your time and do what you can.
Ditto this.  Hubs is very sorry he lost his and you can't get it back.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again May 11, 2011, 10:21:18 AM
To make a long story short I  found out I have gallstones. I dont want surgery.  I would like to do the Clark cleanse but have heard a parasite cleanse would be good to do first.  I see the surgeon next week and I'm going to see if he will order another test after the cleanse.

Anyway, the parasite cleanse it seems takes 3mos. according to the one I read About from BHS.  I should propably insist the surgeon give me time to work this out on my own first.  I'm only seeing him because my doc. insisted.
Construct or purchase a zapper, use it, and the parasites are gone in one day.  (If you live with animals, you will reinfect within one hour.)  It doesn't have to take a month, unless you're scared of electronic medicine.  Google around with drclark.com, and you should be able to find the store.

If i was gonna do the liver flush, i'd first spend some time doing the kidney herbs that Hulda suggests: Hydrangea, Marshmallow & Gravel roots.  The elimination system needs to be in top shape, when all that funk from the liver cuts loose.  i'd postpone the surgery for two weeks.

i'd take my spanking patiently.  Gallstones don't form from eating a healthy diet, consuming plenty pure water and getting regular exercise.  No one i ever heard of, died of gall bladder pain.  You're in pain because your body needs your immediate attention.  i guess you might need more than a cleanse; maybe more like a lifestyle change.

The gallbladder is not a vestigial organ.  That's a damn lie.  Americans would have fewer liver problems if they ate their dandelions, instead of poisoning them.

Anyway, Hanna Kroeger has a nifty little two day apple juice fast that my neighbor used.  It relieved her pain, and saved her from surgery.  She stopped eating everything for two days.  She drank 16 ounces of organic apple juice every 2 hours, starting at 6 am and ending at 8pm.  Second day was the same, except she drank 1/4 cup of olive oil before bed - washing it down with fresh squeezed grapefruit juice.  (Look for green sludgy poo in the morning.)  She did this once a week for a few weeks, made some lifestyle changes - and she still has that nifty little organ.

Hanna said that its the malic acid in the apples that dissolves the stones.

Hulda's books are worth owning.  The liver cleanse has resulted in some folks loosing weight as well as allergies.  Liver and kidneys should be cleansed twice, yearly.
Have fun ...
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: talula May 12, 2011, 05:16:23 AM
Thanks for reminding me about dandylion.  I havent had a fresh dandylion salad this spring yet.  Lots of those in my yard.  I did find info on the zapper.  Can you tell me how it works and how you know its working.  Is there any other way to get gallstones.  I eat healthy and I'm not overweight.  Stress maybe?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: talula May 12, 2011, 05:23:46 AM
I have also lived in the country all my life.  Our water has always had lots if iron and other minerals.  we soften it with softener salt. I wonder if that could have something to do with gallstones.  Anyone know about that?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: doug-again May 14, 2011, 05:32:27 PM
Can you tell me how it works and how you know its working.  Is there any other way to get gallstones.  I eat healthy and I'm not overweight.  Stress maybe?
The zapper works on a resonance principal.  The way i understand it is; any single living thing vibrates within a certain frequency range, which is particular to that individual's specie.  Likewise, that thing, when dying or dead, vibrates within a certain frequency range.  The zapper oscillates at the death frequencies of a large swath of microorganisms.

i haven't been sick enough to need to zap, so i can't speak from experience about what it's like.  Get a book.  Read it. 

Any thing i have to say about the formation of gallstones is entirely anecdotal, or based on moderate research and even less experience.  i recall Hulda writing about finding dead parasites in the cores.  She said that the stones are not dense enough to show up on x ray or ultrasound.  Pathologists have found them to be mostly composed of cholesterol.  The folks i know, who have gotten them, have no clue about proper food combining - which makes me think there may be an enzymatic deficiency involved.  They also ate too much fried foods.  You said that you eat healthy. i don't know what that means.  Whole Foods (do you shop there?) is full of processed junk foods; only whole foods they carry are in produce and bulk.  Other hf stores are no better.

Maybe you live on commodities and produce.  i dunno, but what passes for healthy these days is debatable.  i appreciate you asking about stress as a possible cause.  i never thought about that; makes me wanna go do some reading.
I have also lived in the country all my life.  Our water has always had lots if iron and other minerals.  we soften it with softener salt. I wonder if that could have something to do with gallstones.  Anyone know about that?
i live in the country, too.  i watched a lady who lived in the country her whole life, die of pancreatic cancer.  Hillbillies around these parts are sick.  i don't think rural folks are any better off than city folks.

Those minerals in your water, and all that salt, are a burden to your excretory and circulatory systems.  We're supposed to get our minerals from food, not from rocks and plumbing.  i distill all my drinking water.  i do dishes and clean with the well water.  Well water is not pure water.  The liver can pump out up to one and a half quarts of bile a day.  It needs really clean water to do that, and plenty of it.

Health pros are not in agreement about whether distilled water does the body good.  There's a debate to be had, or happening, as the case stands.  Hopefully that debate won't happen on this thread.  Wait, o yeah, this board has a moderator.  i forgot.
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama May 15, 2011, 06:06:00 PM
I think that is what the Lord is leading me to do...avoid surgery.  thanks for your imput.  Can I ask why you regret having your gallbladder out?  Just curious.  My hubby and sister in laws have no regrets and did fine with the surgery but have bouts of diareah (sp?) occaisionally.  I did have a friend who was  in the hospital for a long time with complications afer hers.  I think they were all done lapriscopicly (sp?).  Different surgeons too. 
Without the gallbladder there is much more strain put on the liver.
Without proper digestion the body is really taxed.
The diarrhea is only a symptom of other damage going on as the digestive system continually operates at lower and lower function until from lack of proper digestion the body becomes depleted of nutrients and overwhelmed with inflammation.

I believe that gallstones are a symptom secondary to the root cause. You can take the gallbladder out, but the reason the stones began to form or the reason the gallbladder became inflamed in the first place are still there and another symptom will pop up down the road.

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: boysmama May 15, 2011, 06:13:28 PM
Thanks for reminding me about dandylion.  I havent had a fresh dandylion salad this spring yet.  Lots of those in my yard.  I did find info on the zapper.  Can you tell me how it works and how you know its working.  Is there any other way to get gallstones.  I eat healthy and I'm not overweight.  Stress maybe?
Fat soluble toxins such as hormone byproducts need to be excreted through bile. This is why pregnancy, postpartum, and menopause are prime times for women to develop gallbladder issue.
Here's a great article on the subject including completely natural and gentle solutions. More healthy fats and soluble fiber have been very helpful in relieving my gallbladder pain.
http://www.karenhurd.com/concern_gall_bladder.html (http://www.karenhurd.com/concern_gall_bladder.html)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: debbiez July 12, 2011, 04:40:22 AM
  This cleanse is not for wimps!!!  Drinking the e.salts and grapefruit juice wasn't terrible esp. since you haven't eaten in a few hours. I don't really like grapefruit juice so I drank the olive oil and then some apple juice. That was not very pleasent and made me feel nauseated. I just did this last night. I did not drink any e.salt juice this morning, I still felt sick to my stomach. I have gone to the potty twice. I've passed some sludge and a *few* stones. I hope ther is more to come ;D I don't feel terrible. I did not take the sleep  aid and I slept just ok. I don't know if I can do it again. I don't know how some of you have done this multiple times. I'm hope this will help me not have such servre morning sickness next time I'm pregnant. I'd take a coffee enema over this any day!!
                                               Debbiez
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: rainygladness July 14, 2011, 04:22:07 AM
You're right that the cleanse isn't for wimps!  ;)  But where did you read that you can swap apple juice for grapefruit juice?  I am pretty sure grapefruit juice is an essential component in making the cleanse work properly.
(eta - as are the oil and epsom salts, too.)
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: debbiez July 14, 2011, 04:59:12 AM
The curezone site said you could use sour apple. I just couldn't drink any more grapefruit juice. I can't stand grapefriut.  I really had to motivate myself to drink the oil. :P We only had regular apple so I drank that. It still worked but maybe not as well?  Any suggestionson juice?  I know I should probably do this a few more times :P
                                                              Debbiez
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: rainygladness July 14, 2011, 11:09:29 AM
The only suggestion I have of value as far as juice goes is to just tough it out and drink the grapefruit juice.  No element of this cleanse - from the oil to the gagging epsom salt drink - is pleasant.  So I'd say, if you go to all the trouble of doing a serious cleanse as this, why skimp, kwim?  I'm not tough, but I plugged my nose and chugged the juice/oil drink down so I'd get the maximum results possible. Just my .02 
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: debbiez July 14, 2011, 02:33:42 PM
I probably should have just toughed it out; But I just couldn't do amymore grapefruit. DH bought white instead of pink , I don't know how big of difference there is.  Maybe next time I will chase it with lemon juice instead of apple. I have heard you can use lemon you just  don't mix it with the oil.  I wondered if you could use coconut oil? If coconut oil worked, I would harden it and eat it.  Anybody know if this would work?
                                                        Debbiez
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: titterbee July 16, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
....jumping in here w/ a question.  A friend is having gallbladder problems (stones) and is pregnant.  Are you able to do the cleanse while pregnant?  She has been hospitalized 1-2 times and doctors are just telling her to stay away from fat......baby needs fat, so I'm trying to find a home remedy for her.  Any suggestions?
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: debbiez July 18, 2011, 01:49:59 AM
I'm pretty sure it is not recommened to do this cleanse while pregnant. Prehaps she could take some herbs that cleanse or help but are safe for baby. Maybe dandelion or yellow dock? Hopefully some of the ladies with more knowledge than with me will chime in. HTH.
                                                            Debbiez
: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: IowaDove June 04, 2013, 08:23:51 AM
Ok I'm having A LOT of issues recently and I am trying to figure it all out...I think I just need someone to tell me what to do!!  :-\
First off, my skin is just horrid. Its covered in acne! At least I think its acne. They are open oozing sores all over my face and legs. They are not getting better no matter what I try-and I've tried everything! Bentonite clay masks, plantain vinegar tonic, oil cleansing, no soap etc etc.
I'm also 10 lbs over weight and cannot lose it to save my life-this has never been a problem for me. I am not eliminating very well and struggle with constipation. I know my hormones are out out of whack since weaning last month. I am always bloated. And have been struggling with mood swings. We are free of all chemicals, parabens, SLS, all those nasty things.
So...I've been doing the water cure on and off for the last year or so. I drink a lot of water. And I  tried the MC and made it to 6 days and it helped a bit and plan to do it again maybe July or August. I have been taking a double dose (8 capsules) a day of YA and Ultimate Defense for several weeks now with no die off symptoms at all. I've been taking hormone balancing herbs for 2 months now. So last night and this morning I did a liver flush. I barely passed anything but "sand" and it burns so badly, I'm just hobbling around and now bleeding down there. Is that normal? Other than that I feel completely normal.
I know I seem to be jumping from trying one thing then another, but I guess I just don't know where to start,I don't know what my problem is, but I feel like my body is just shutting down no matter what I try. The last time I felt like this was over 10 years ago before I had a stroke. I was having the same problems. But I can't figure out what the connection would be between them and now. I have only been getting better since getting married over 6 years ago, and now suddenly I feel like I'm going backward-very quickly-again.
I think I'm going to try another liver flush in a few weeks if that sounds good. Any other thoughts? Could someone point me in the right direction?? I know it sounds vain, but right now my biggest concern is my skin. Its terrible, makeup won't even cover it up  :-[ Sorry this is so long and probably in the wrong place, but I appreciate any advice!

: Re: Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse
: born-an-okie November 17, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
Is it possible to do a gallbladder cleanse without meaning to?  I drank a coconut milk and fresh pineapple smoothie, probably 3 cups worth on Friday evening.  I spent the night feeling so sick with diarrhea and then vomitting.  I realized that with the citrus from the pineapple and the high fat content of the coconut milk I potentially gave myself a cleanse.  Any thoughts on if this is possible?