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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Candida & Leaky Gut => : healthybratt May 18, 2006, 11:05:42 AM

: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 18, 2006, 11:05:42 AM
In LGS [Leaky Gut Syndrome], the epithelium on the villi of the small intestine becomes inflamed and irritated, which allows metabolic and microbial toxins of the small intestines to flood into the blood stream. This event compromises the liver, the lymphatic system, and the immune response including the endocrine system. It is often the primary cause of the following common conditions: asthma, food allergies, chronic sinusitis, eczema, urticaria, migraine, irritable bowel, fungal disorders, fibromyalgia, and inflammatory joint disorders including rheumatoid arthritis. It also contributes to PMS, uterine fibroid, and breast fibroid.

Leaky Gut Syndrome is often the real basis for chronic fatigue syndrome and pediatric immune deficiencies. Leaky Gut Syndrome is reaching epidemic proportions within the population. As a disease entity, it has not been discussed in classical or modern TCM literature. In fact, taking a strictly classical Chinese medicine approach to LGS is often ineffective or only partially effective, because the disease is not addressed in all of its complexity...

If there is a history of antibiotics (two episodes within a lifetime is enough to set up Leaky Gut Syndrome; yearly doses of antibiotics will guarantee it), assume there is Candida. You will need to give anti-Candida medicines and advise a special diet. Diet therapy alone will not eradicate high levels of Candida, but certain foods will sabotage successful therapy: sugars, yeasts, refined white flour products (bread, pasta, pastry), vinegar, fermented products including miso, canned fruit juice, and dried fruit. Fresh fruit may or may not be a problem, depending on the severity.

Secondly, assume there are food allergies. If any food allergy is allowed to persist, the intestinal wall will remain inflamed and toxic absorption will continue. Without testing, the best you can do is avoid completely the common allergenic foods: dairy (milk, cheese, cottage cheese, yogurt, ice cream, butter), gluten grains (wheat, rye, oats, spelt, barley); eggs; corn (including popcorn, corn syrup, corn oil); and beans (especially soy, lentil and kidney; soy includes tofu, miso, and tamari). Other foods that commonly test as allergenic are almonds, peanuts, and garlic. The most common of the allergenic foods are dairy, gluten grains, and eggs. Be careful of these ingredients in packaged foods or foods prepared in restaurants.

A non-allergenic diet can be obtained by eating meat, chicken, fish, vegetables, potatoes, rice, millet, and fruits. Many patients feel that certain foods are allergenic because of reactive symptoms. We have to distinguish sensitivity from allergy. A food that might cause sensitivity, like tomatoes or oranges, causes discomfort because of an imbalance of digestive acids and enzymes. Real allergies cause damage to the intestinal lining by initiating an inflammatory reaction, and ironically, are usually without any perceived reaction...more (http://www.biblelife.org/leakygut.htm)

Dangers of uncontrolled candida growth
When Candida growth becomes uncontrolled the following happens: First, fungal metabolites and/or toxins interfere with the functioning of nutrient-uptake and their transfer into the bloodstream. Then the fungus grows long stringy structures (rhizoids) that can penetrate the upper cell layer of the intestinal wall causing symptoms very similar to those of Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

Leaky Gut Syndrome
Over time, the rhizoids can penetrate the gut wall and make it inflamed and porous causing Leaky Gut Syndrome. The damage to the gut from candida comes both from impaired biochemical processes in cells of the intestinal lining and the physical damage caused by the spread of the rhizoids. In the next step the rhizoids break down the barrier between the intestine and the circulatory system in which case candida can enter the bloodstream and spread throughout the body (Systemic candida). Candida can invade virtually any organ or part of the body where the defenses (physical and immunological) are weakened.

Leaky Gut Syndrome is thought to be the underlying cause of bowel disorders and very likely the stage of candidiasis that contributes substantially to food intolerances, environmental sensitivities, allergies and asthma. ...more (http://www.ninazu.com/whatis.html)

Leaky gut syndrome has been theoretically suspected as a major factor in a wide range of food and chemical sensitivities, arthritis, asthma, headaches, digestive problems of varying seriousness and chronic fatigue. It was quickly linked to many of the problems experienced in patients with severe Candida albicans overgrowths, since it was known that Candida, in its fungal form, can put down 'roots' into the gut wall, allowing comparatively large molecules to pass through into the bloodstream.
     Whether these are food molecules, bacteria or chemical toxins, the result would be the same: an immune response by the body, an attack by antibodies and the start of a cycle of immune response, inflammation and antibody-antigen reactions...more (http://www.rainbowminerals.net/Leaky_gut.htm)

If you have food intolerances to foods that should be healthy for you, you'll need to stop eating these until the leaky gut has healed to keep your body from working too hard to cleanse, heal and fight allergies.  For an extensive menu and how-to guide for a food elimination diet, I would recommend Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder (http://www.bulkherbstore.com/UMA)

Then recommended treatment includes killing off parasites, harmful bacteria and most important Candida (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html).  This can be done effectively by eliminating sugars and refined grains in the diet and using Yeast Assassin (http://www.beeyoutiful.com/goodness/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/8) and Tummy Tune-Up (http://www.beeyoutiful.com/goodness/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/6?osCsid=78a12507b1ff05ca5ccbbe4b58d3b5e8) or some similar products. 

Once the body is rid of the harmful microbial agents and recolonized with beneficial bacteria, the healing can begin; however, leaky gut is holes in the mucousal lining of the intestines and this also needs to be taken care of with dietary changes.

Your diet needs to be low in simple and refined sugars and high in proteins and essential fatty acids.  For more information on how to change your diet, I recommend The Maker's Diet (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,337.0.html) and/or Nourishing Traditions (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,583.0.html).


For a step by step breakdown of what to do about Candida and/or Leaky Gut, read the following link:  I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 19, 2006, 02:14:30 PM
Leaky Gut Syndrome is often the primary cause of the following common conditions: liver disfunction, abdominal pain, muscle and joint pain, autism, ADHD and other behavioral disorders, accelerated aging, migraines, confusion, poor concentration, foggieness, poor memory, mood swings, nervousness, agressive behavior, anxiety, eye disorders,  endocrine disorders including, urinary tract infections, incontinence, and bedwetting; digestive disorders including:  obesity, constipation, bloating, gas, malnutrition, and irritable bowel syndrome; skin disorders (usually a result of food allergens) such as acne, rosacea, hives, dermatitis (atopic eczema), and psoriasis; female disorders including PMS, recurring vaginal infections, uterine fibroid, breast fibroid, polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS), and endometriosis;  and autoimmune disorders including:  osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, multiple sclerosis, Raynaud's disease (numbness in toes and fingers), lupus, fibromyalgia, diabetes, cancer, pediactric immune defficiencies, HIV positive, Reiter's syndrome, celiac desease, Crohn's disease, endotoxaemia, alopecia areata, vitiligo, Addison's disease, Celiac disease and vasculitis.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Mama Sita May 23, 2006, 01:31:59 AM
Hi healthybratt,

Wow, that's a lot of information--where did you get your quotes? I am very familiar with all the problems of Candida. There is a good book called 'The Yeast Connection' by Dr. William Crook, MD. It is very eye opening and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to learn more about the problems candida overgrowth can cause, including infertility!

Funny part is, most of the medical community does not take this yeast thing seriously, and if they do, they are quick to prescribe a drug called nystatin. Candida can be controlled with diet and we used a product called ThreeLac, however, it so expensive, we could only afford one, maybe 2 boxes of the stuff. I am very eager to try Tummy Tune-Up and Yeast ASsassin, especially for DH. He gets an awful red rash in the summer (itchy) and this past winter, had that fungal thing going under his big toenails.  :P Yuck. But, I have to say that the ThreeLac did wipe it out....AND he feels so much better. He's not draggin' around so tired all the time. Candida will do that to you , too.

Just curious as to where you got all that good info.
Thanks,
Lisa
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 23, 2006, 08:48:30 AM
Mama Sita,

GOOGLE.  I only quoted a couple of sites.  If you click on "more" at the end of the quote, it will take you to the site I quoted. 

Type in "Leaky Gut" in Google and you will find tons of info.  If you have a specific illness in mind while researching, such as "lupus", then type in "Leaky Gut Lupus" and you will still get bunches of hits.

I've read The Yeast Connection.  I liked it too.  I first read "Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder".  This book is phenomenal and it recommended The Yeast Connection.  I've read many other books on the subject as well as multitudes of research on the internet.  Doctors don't believe in this "muck".  Mine doesn't anyway, but he wouldn't give me Nystatin when I asked for it, he gave Lamisil instead.  It wasn't until much later, I found the Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up and boy I'm glad I did.  After treating with this and a 4 day fast, I feel like a new person.  My digestion is moving right along and I'm losing weight at a steady pace.  I'm tired, but not from lack of health, but because I feel so good, I'm trying to conquer the world in a day.  I just weeded around my entire house yesterday.  A truckload of weeds and grass all by myself - getting ready to plant my herbs.   :o
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Mama Sita May 23, 2006, 09:06:01 AM
WOW!! I've got extra weeds at my house, too! If you run out of weeds to pull, just come on over!
So, did you do the Lemonade Fast? I am gearing up to do that one, but I'm chicken because of the cayenne.  ::)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 24, 2006, 08:27:35 AM
WOW!! I've got extra weeds at my house, too! If you run out of weeds to pull, just come on over!
So, did you do the Lemonade Fast? I am gearing up to do that one, but I'm chicken because of the cayenne.  ::)


The cayenne did not taste as bad as it sounds.  Just make sure to stir and keep in motion right before drinking to make sure it stays mixed and goes down smooth.  I posted the results of my fast in the Master Cleanse thread (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg4466.html#msg4466).
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt June 05, 2006, 10:07:36 AM
My research has turned up evidence that supports Liver Cleansing (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,818.0.html) as a good measure to take in order to help reverse the symptoms of LGS.

BASICALLY what I'm finding is that most of the recommended cures and cleanses on this board all come back to healing and maintaining a healthy GI tract.  If you don't have a healthy gut everything else falls apart.  Treating symptoms will do no good if you don't get to the root cause of it all.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt June 08, 2006, 11:30:56 AM
My research also supports the use of L. Glutamine either in natural form or supplements to help restore the mucousal lining of the intestines.

Nutrition

For many people, eating a proper diet lessens leaky gut symptoms. Because large meals can cause cramping and diarrhea in those with leaky gut syndrome, eating smaller meals more often or eating smaller portions may help to ease symptoms. Since food allergies can worsen symptoms, try to avoid allergenic foods such as dairy products, gluten grains (wheat, barley, oats, and rye), nuts, chocolate, and coffee. The following may help reduce symptoms of leaky gut syndrome by promoting overall gastrointestinal health:

    * Dietary fiber may lessen symptoms of leaky gut syndrome such as constipation and gas. In order to improve tolerance, it is best to start with 5 grams per day and increase to 25-30 grams per day.
    * Healthy bacteria (probiotics), such as Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium infantis, can help restore proper gut ecology and function.
    * Vitamins C, vitamin E, and the carotenoids provide antioxidant support, which is necessary for overall cell health.
    * Zinc and vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) support healing mechanisms of the gut.
    * L-glutamine is a major source of nourishment for the rapid replication of healthy cells that line the small intestine. L-glutamine may also protect against damage from NSAIDs.

Herbs

Herbs such as Echinacea (Echinacea purpurea, E. angustifolia), burdock (Arctium lappa), slippery elm (Ulmus rubra, U. fulva), licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra), ginger root (Zingiber officinale), and goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis) may offer relief for those suffering from leaky gut syndrome...more (http://www.healthdesigns.com/LeakyGut.html)

L-Glutamine
The typical dietary intake of L-glutamine is 5 to 10 grams daily. Most dietary L-glutamine comes from animal and plant proteins. Small amounts of free L-glutamine are found in vegetable juices and fermented foods, such as miso and yogurt...

Supplemental L-glutamine may have immunomodulatory, anticatabolic/anabolic and gastrointestinal mucosal-protective actions. It may also have antioxidant activity...

Supplemental L-glutamine's possible immunomodulatory role may be accounted for in a number of ways. L-glutamine appears to play a major role in protecting the integrity of the gastrointestinal tract and, in particular, the large intestine. ...more (http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/lgl_0125.shtml)

Hmmmm....HB's having a BrainStorm...

You think maybe this is why the Atkins diet works as well as it does??  Low carbs means no sugars to feed candida and high protein which contributes to the healing of the intestines.  The only thing missing from this diet is good fats.  I've never read Atkin's book, but Protein Power never gets into the in's and out's of good vs bad fats.  Put the pieces altogether and you get a healthy body.   :o
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Bev August 07, 2006, 04:26:28 PM
HB can you take yeast assasin or tummy tune up while nursing. I am eight months pregnant right now so I want to wait until I have the baby to start.


Bev
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 07, 2006, 04:48:22 PM
HB can you take yeast assasin or tummy tune up while nursing. I am eight months pregnant right now so I want to wait until I have the baby to start.


Bev

Tummy Tuneup is okay, but Yeast Assassin is not okay.  Black Walnut is not recommended for pregnant or nursing mothers or small children.  If you slowly cut back on your sugar intake until you are not eating any starches, sugars or refined flours this will help to fight candida without the help of supplements.  I only recommend you do it slowly so that your babies do not suffer the ill effects of sudden die-off symptoms and detox.  The Tummy Tune-up will help to speed up the process and to repopulate the lining of the intestines to prevent a further uprising of candida in the future.  It's also good for the babies to prevent them from getting candida through the breast milk and pregnancy.  This will make your babies less likely to develop LGS, candida and food intolerances in the future and also the other symptoms listed above that come as a result of candida overgrowth, such as thrush, eczema, dermititis, etc.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: stevia mama August 11, 2006, 08:14:02 PM
If you slowly cut back on your sugar intake until you are not eating any starches, sugars or refined flours this will help to fight candida without the help of supplements.

Hi HB,

I was wondering if you recommend not eating bananas as they are starchy??  I'm so bummed if I have to give them up!  They've been so good lately and I use them a lot in smoothies! :'(

BTW, you sure know a lot of stuff!  Thanks for all the good info. you provide on this site.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 12, 2006, 06:22:32 AM
I was wondering if you recommend not eating bananas as they are starchy??  I'm so bummed if I have to give them up!  They've been so good lately and I use them a lot in smoothies! :'(

Okay, here's my take on this.  I read the book "Protein Power" many years ago before I learned anything about Leaky Gut and/or Candida problems.  This diet works for so very many people and I was amazed at the information I gleaned from this book; however, as I came to learn more about yeast and LGS and all the other problems associated with these I was able to realize that there is a component missing from this diet - healthy fats.  Aside from this, Protein Power and Dr. Atkins have the crucial component down.  Lower the carbs NOT the fats.  Soooo I use Protein Power as a guide when trying to decide what to eat.  A carbohydrate is defined as:  "Sugars and starches that are the most efficient source of food energy. Stored in the muscle and liver as glycogen and in the blood as glucose."  Based on this definition, anything that has carbs feeds yeast.  Protein Power recommends for dieters a 25-30 carbs/day menu.  For most people, this contributes to a great amount of weight loss, high energy levels and overall better health.  This tells me, that they are unknowingly controlling their candida levels; thereby improving digestion, raising metabolism and thereby losing weight and becoming more healthy in general.  I think it's almost impossible to eliminate all sugars from the diet completely, BUT if you use the Protein Power, or Atkins diet as a guide, you can keep track and monitor your sugar intake and observe the results.  This is the way I monitor my sugars & starches on foods that I'm not sure about.  If you think this might work for you, check the thread  Foods to Eat While Fighting Yeast (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)...and BTW, bananas are right at the top of the list of high carb fruits, sitting at 21.2 carbs per banana vs. say a cucumber which only has 1.8 carbs.  If you can count your carbs and eliminate the majority of them in your diet, you might be able to allow yourself one banana each day based on the above diet plan, but at least this way you can decide which carbs you really want to eat and which ones you don't. 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: shawnaincov August 20, 2006, 11:08:22 AM

Tummy Tuneup is okay, but Yeast Assassin is not okay.  Black Walnut is not recommended for pregnant or nursing mothers or small children.  

How small is small?  At what age can they start YA?  My 7 yr old can swallow a pill(so can my 41/2 yr old).  They have both taken the TT.  Just wondering?

Shawna :-*
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Amey August 21, 2006, 05:17:44 AM
Leaky Gut Syndrome is often the primary cause of the following common conditions:... Raynaud's disease (numbness in toes and fingers)...

I had no idea that leaky gut was a common cause of Raynaud's. I had never considered that as an issue since I had cut out sugars last year and took an anti-fungal medication last year in the spring. I'm pretty sure I have the yeast under control. I've never had any digestive issues, food allergies, or other leaky gut symptoms (except I would say that I do have a chronic fatigue issue), but maybe I need to look into that. So can you get rid of the yeast and still have leaky gut? I knew I had a yeast problem in the past. As a teenager, my dr. put me on antibiotics for acne if you can believe that. Of course I didn't know any better then. It would take something really bad for me to touch an antibiotic these days. So I knew I had a yeast problem, which is why I went without sugar for quite a while. Now I'm still refined sugar-free, but do use a fair amount of honey and a small amount of Rapadura now and then.

I will read some more about this (I know there's more here than just this thread). I know I've read the other leaky gut threads in the past, but I'll check them out again. Thanks again for your input! It is so much appreciated.  :)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 21, 2006, 06:35:31 AM
So can you get rid of the yeast and still have leaky gut? I knew I had a yeast problem in the past.
Yes.  The following link explains this.
http://healthychristianliving.com/leaky_gut_syndrome.htm

I will read some more about this (I know there's more here than just this thread). I know I've read the other leaky gut threads in the past, but I'll check them out again. Thanks again for your input! It is so much appreciated.  :)

Here are some of my sources.
http://www.afpafitness.com/articles/LEAKGUT4.HTM
http://www.healthdesigns.com/LeakyGut.html
http://www.caringmedical.com/conditions/Leaky_Gut_Syndrome.htm
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/healthconditionsdisease/a/TestLeakyGut.htm
http://www.mdheal.org/leakygut.htm
http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=205
http://www.liverdoctor.com/04_leakygut_syndrome.asp
http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/leakygut1.html
http://www.ucheepines.org/leaky_gut.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_gut_syndrome
http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/lgs-art01.asp
http://www.ei-resource.org/lgs.asp


: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Amey August 21, 2006, 08:34:37 AM
Thanks!  ;D
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Amey September 08, 2006, 04:52:05 PM
Has anyone tried butter oil for leaky gut? I was at a Weston Price meeting, where someone was selling butter oil (expensive!), and the label says it is particularly useful for healing the "leaks" in leaky gut. It's expensive, but if it makes a big difference in healing your gut, it might be worth it for someone. I'm going to try it. You're supposed to take it with cod liver oil.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: joyofthelord September 22, 2006, 07:57:32 AM
Please help me with this!!  I've been reading & reading, I'm so overwhelmed. This leaky gut thing is all new to me, but I think it describes my husband.  He always has abdominal bloating, very low on energy, etc.  But how do I know?  Also, do I need to give him the yeast assassin and tummy tune-up or just tummy tune-up?  I want to help him feel better, can you guys give help me get started on this for him so I know what to order?    I'm just wondering, how do I know if it's yeast, or if he needs to only be on the tummy tune-up.  I want to do the jungle juice for him also, but I thought I would try this for a couple weeks first.  Am I on the right track?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt September 22, 2006, 08:12:38 AM
But how do I know?

Take the Yeast Test (http://yeastconnection.com/yeast.html#questionaire)

If he has yeast, then I would be as aggressive with it as your budget will allow.  It's a very difficult beast to conquer, but with perserverence it can be done.  I would definately follow every one of the steps I listed in the previous post.  If your budget won't allow for it, then the Tummy Tune-up would be the priority over the Yeast Assassin.  My husband and I are taking both along with omega 3s and glutamine to heal the gut.  I also throw lots of raw garlic and some aloe vera juice in the mix as they are both anti-fungals.  They are not as strong as the Yeast Assassin, but every little bit will help.  I also started making my own yogurt (tried kefir didn't like it) and kombucha, both very good cultured foods which are rich sources of natural probiotics. 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: *MommaJo* September 28, 2006, 10:43:22 AM
But how do I know?

Take the Yeast Test (http://yeastconnection.com/yeast.html#questionaire)

 I would definately follow every one of the steps I listed in the previous post.  If your budget won't allow for it, then the Tummy Tune-up would be the priority over the Yeast Assassin. 

What post are you refering to...the original post of this thread?  I, too, am wondering where to begin.  DH & I aren't specifially ill, we just know we aren't up to optimal health.  We haven't done any of the cleanses or taken any of the pills recommeded on this site, and are just barely begining the healthy eating encouraged here.  DH has finally taken a slight interest & I'm reading here daily to educate myself so I can educate him...
I just don't know where to begin.  Should we just jump right in and start taking TT.  My young boys take a probiotic prescribed by their chiro. 
Sorry, didn't mean to ramble...
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt September 28, 2006, 04:43:54 PM
What post are you refering to...the original post of this thread? 

http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg3823.html#msg3823
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Pastorswife2B September 30, 2006, 04:40:24 PM
Ok here's my situation  ???.  My FIL (an MD) went to a nuetritionist because of his Arthritis who diagnosed him with Leaky Gut and tested him for food sensativities.  He has lived by this advice for about 4 years now (before I was added to this family) and has seen DRASTIC improvements in the way he feels.  HOWEVER I have never heard him talk about having received any information on healing his leaky gut and they are coming down for a visit starting tomorrow afternoon.  Even though he is an MD he is open to the 'natural' way of things and knows my background in this area and we have had some open discussions on this.

So I am seeking some advice on how to broach with him that I have found some info on healing a leaky gut and wondered if you gals had any thoughts on what the most important step would be to take (I don't want to overwhelm him and lose his ear).  He is much more open to the healthy eating side of things than to the herb side of things, but right now my instincts are to try and see if he would be interested in trying to rid himself of candida.  He already takes a fish oil supplement which I believe contains the nutrients for healthy mucus lining.

I would appriciate some advice on what you guys think is important to try and remedy his situation.  He is such a wonderful grandfather to our boys and only 52 yo and already has a hard time playing with him because he hurts so badly  :'(. 

-Heather
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Texas Girl. September 30, 2006, 06:06:14 PM
It wasn't until much later, I found the Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up and boy I'm glad I did.  After treating with this and a 4 day fast, I feel like a new person. 
healthybratt: so am I understanding right, that you are doing this to treat and HEAL leaky gut?  These 2 products get rid of the yeast, right? But do they heal the leaky gut, if damage has been done?   And if so ~ how long does that take???  I'm sorry if this has already been discussed before; I tend to 'chase rabbits' on this site and read for hours without finding out exactly what I'm looking for! :-\ :-[
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt September 30, 2006, 07:31:17 PM
It wasn't until much later, I found the Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up and boy I'm glad I did.  After treating with this and a 4 day fast, I feel like a new person. 
healthybratt: so am I understanding right, that you are doing this to treat and HEAL leaky gut?  These 2 products get rid of the yeast, right? But do they heal the leaky gut, if damage has been done?   And if so ~ how long does that take???  I'm sorry if this has already been discussed before; I tend to 'chase rabbits' on this site and read for hours without finding out exactly what I'm looking for! :-\ :-[
It's the first step.  Before you can heal it, you have to get the yeasty critters out.  Once you've succeeded with the cleansing of the little boogers, the healing can begin.  Everything I've read suggests that good nutrition (obvious) and supplements of omega 3s (I prefer cod liver oil) and glutamine (an amino acid for the gut).  I'm currently doing all of these things in addition to taking the YA and TT.  Also avoid any foods that have created intolerances as these will just aggravate the situation.  Don't reintroduce these foods until much later if and when the leaky gut heals.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Texas Girl. September 30, 2006, 09:33:30 PM
Wow.....I love my carbs!!!  And bacon!  And caffeine!  UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks for the info.  I'll just go feel sorry for myself now for the diet I"m going to have to endure! ;)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 01, 2006, 08:39:44 AM
Wow.....I love my carbs!!!  And bacon!  And caffeine!  UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks for the info.  I'll just go feel sorry for myself now for the diet I"m going to have to endure! ;)
You can still eat bacon, but cured bacon does have some sugar in it, so you'll want to make sure and cut your sugars somewhere else to compensate.   ;D
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: new2herbs December 17, 2006, 03:32:58 AM
My 1 year old son had 16 food allergies and horrible excema to the point of bleeding and open wounds.  We had all of our natural food friends tell us that he had leaky gut and yeast problems.  We tried everything they told us to fix these problems with no help.  After 6 months we finally had him scoped to see what the inside of his stomach, colon, and intestines looked like.  There was no yeast and no sign of a leaky gut.  We took the scope pictures to our naturopathy who agreed with the DR. that he did not see any yeast inside our son.  I really wanted their to be a gut problem to prove the DRs wrong and validate all my personal research and home remedies, but this was not the case for us.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: PMESguy December 17, 2006, 03:31:49 PM
Ok here's my situation  ???.  My FIL (an MD) went to a nuetritionist because of his Arthritis who diagnosed him with Leaky Gut and tested him for food sensativities.  He has lived by this advice for about 4 years now (before I was added to this family) and has seen DRASTIC improvements in the way he feels.  HOWEVER I have never heard him talk about having received any information on healing his leaky gut and they are coming down for a visit starting tomorrow afternoon.  Even though he is an MD he is open to the 'natural' way of things and knows my background in this area and we have had some open discussions on this.

So I am seeking some advice on how to broach with him that I have found some info on healing a leaky gut and wondered if you gals had any thoughts on what the most important step would be to take (I don't want to overwhelm him and lose his ear).  He is much more open to the healthy eating side of things than to the herb side of things, but right now my instincts are to try and see if he would be interested in trying to rid himself of candida.  He already takes a fish oil supplement which I believe contains the nutrients for healthy mucus lining.

I would appriciate some advice on what you guys think is important to try and remedy his situation.  He is such a wonderful grandfather to our boys and only 52 yo and already has a hard time playing with him because he hurts so badly  :'(. 

-Heather

The primary cause of leaky gut is stress! Mental and emotional stressors are highly damaging to the immune system. Your first line of defense is an immunoglobulin called secritory IgA. 80% off it is found on the lining of the instinal track. Under periods of stress that number is drastically reducted. Since many people show an exaggerated stress response brought on by  not enought sleep, dehydration, not enough sun exposure, poor quality food, etc...the list goes on and on...it would be to his advantage to build health/vitality/immunity back up by addressing these fundamental factors.

Since he has artritis, it would be IMPERITIVE for him to understand the role of anti-inflammatories and his system. Omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil can really help, but they can only do so much. What's absolutely critical to understand is how bad NSAIDS (non-steriodal anti-infammatory drugs) are on the gut. In fact, they are #2 on the list for the all time bad things for your gut. Every time you take aspirin, for example, you loose 15-20 ml of blood. The risk of hemorrhagic stroke goes up 4 times with the use of these drugs. They are like a double edge sward: you get the pain relief, but you cause a number of other  problems in the process. Good article here: http://www.mercola.com/2005/jan/5/anti_inflammatories.htm

I give you this advice because I help people heal their guts for a living. If your FIL makes a commitment to determining the causitive factors that are driving his symptoms and then takes the necessary actions to implement a healing strategy, he can expect to heal his gut in about 6 months. For me personally, I took me a good 9 months at age 27 to get to the point where I had no more symptoms. So at his age....given his abilty to regenerate...it might take longer.

What is the cause of a leaky gut? Is a leaky gut a disease? Or is it a symptom of dis-ease on the human orgainsm....a living, breathing, mental, emotional, physical, and spriitual being. If you identify the major causes then you can forget about a remedy...you will have a solution!! :D

: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: ginimom3 December 29, 2006, 08:16:59 AM
I've also heard vaccinations can cause leaky gut.  Do you think that is true?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 29, 2006, 08:41:48 AM
I've also heard vaccinations can cause leaky gut.  Do you think that is true?
Absolutely.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: dara December 29, 2006, 11:20:05 AM
How do vax cause leaky gut?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 29, 2006, 11:25:05 AM
How do vax cause leaky gut?

Mercury alone is not the cause of all of these symptoms, but it is the spark that sets off a cascade of damage in the body. Mercury progressively kills neurons in the brain and damages the central nervous system leading to a wide range of neurological, cognitive, and sensory dysfunctions. Mercury displaces specific, essential vitamins and minerals, the loss of which go on to create their own damage in the brain, immune, hormonal, and virtually every other system in the body. Mercury impairs the detoxification system allowing all other toxins, which are ubiquitous in our environment, to accumulate and do damage in the body. Mercury damages the gastro-intestinal track creating dysbiosis (imbalance of good and bad bacteria) and yeast overgrowth. Yeast itself is a neuro-toxin and can create tiny holes in the lining of the gastro-intestinal track leading to a condition called "leaky gut." Molecules of digested food are able to pass through these holes into the bloodstream where the body recognizes them as foreign invaders and mounts an immune response, triggering food allergies, eczema, and other auto-immune reactions. Untreated food allergies and a damaged gut can lead to chronic ear and other infections. Treating these with antibiotics, as is a typical history with many autistic children, only makes matters worse. Antibiotics exacerbate gut dysbiosis and, like testosterone, are synergistically toxic with mercury. Damage to the gastro-intestinal track, which is the body's first line of immune defense, lowers the immune system...
from Generation Rescue (http://www.generationrescue.org/mercury_symptoms.html)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Texas Girl. December 29, 2006, 03:34:42 PM
This might have been mentioned before, so if so, I apologize ~ but, I really recommend the Autism book from the Bulk Herb Store (.com) ~ it is SO enlightening on all of this, and the relationship of leaky gut to vaccinations!
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 29, 2006, 04:02:30 PM
This might have been mentioned before, so if so, I apologize ~ but, I really recommend the Autism book from the Bulk Herb Store (.com) ~ it is SO enlightening on all of this, and the relationship of leaky gut to vaccinations!
Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder by Karen Serrousi.  ;)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Sonja February 06, 2007, 01:45:07 PM
Has anyone heard of Dr. Aaron Smith and his book, "Reflux Recovery"?  I just stumbled across his website today.  He claims to have a natural cure for GERD, but of course, you have to buy his book to find out how!  He has a lot of testimonies on his site, but I'm skeptical.  Thought I might find someone here who had read it or knew more.

Here is the link to his site:  http://www.cureyourgerd.com/gerd1.htm
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 07, 2007, 05:47:01 AM
Has anyone heard of Dr. Aaron Smith and his book, "Reflux Recovery"?  I just stumbled across his website today.  He claims to have a natural cure for GERD, but of course, you have to buy his book to find out how!  He has a lot of testimonies on his site, but I'm skeptical.  Thought I might find someone here who had read it or knew more.

Here is the link to his site:  http://www.cureyourgerd.com/gerd1.htm
Try the public library. 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Sonja February 07, 2007, 06:03:53 AM
Thanks, HB.  I did and nothing turned up.  I even searched Barnes & Noble and Borders.  They didn't have it either.  Oh well.  I'm assuming at this point that I should stick to my skepticism.   :)

Sonja
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 07, 2007, 06:14:11 AM
Thanks, HB.  I did and nothing turned up.  I even searched Barnes & Noble and Borders.  They didn't have it either.  Oh well.  I'm assuming at this point that I should stick to my skepticism.   :)

Sonja
What about interlibrary loan?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: christajean March 07, 2007, 01:57:45 PM
My 7yo nephew has been throwing-up around noon and then crying and moaning that his stomach hurts til 6pm for the last 4 days.  They took him to ER yesterday and after blood was drawn, they said he just had indigestion or something.  Could this be a bad case of LGS? or an appendix? I feel so bad for them...any ideas?
cjean
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 07, 2007, 03:02:25 PM
My 7yo nephew has been throwing-up around noon and then crying and moaning that his stomach hurts til 6pm for the last 4 days.  They took him to ER yesterday and after blood was drawn, they said he just had indigestion or something.  Could this be a bad case of LGS? or an appendix? I feel so bad for them...any ideas?
cjean
Vomiting for 4 days is diagnosed as indigestion ???  Seems a bit off to me.  Although, it's difficult to know without more info, I would guess it's viral or possibly allergy related.  These can both be worsened or caused by leaky gut, but for immediate relief, maybe mom could try some probiotics?  Probiotics are good for treating yeast and leaky gut, but a good product, like Tummy Tuneup Original Blend (http://www.beeyoutiful.com/goodness/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/6), is also very effective at knocking out stomach viruses and bacterial infections.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: christajean March 09, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
They took him back in to see a doc. and had xrays done.  Turns out he was very constipated due to an organ wrapping itself partly around his intestine.  Yikes, he's had to have 2 enemas so far and is on a liquid diet.  When I suggested his diet being a factor and possibly even candida, she was very skeptical at the broad list of symptoms...I was too at first, but once it gets into your head, you can't stop thinking about it.  Oh well, I'll just keep doing what I know is right for my family and not try to press it upon others.  That's hard to do when your excited about something!
cjc
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: westernmama August 20, 2007, 05:15:39 AM
I'm not sure exactly what I have, but thought you ladies might have some suggestions.  After reading some threads pertaining to IBS, I'm wondering if that's what it is.  About once or twice a year all of a sudden I'll get severe abdominal cramping that results in diarrhea.  The bad episodes of cramping can actually cause me to faint.  :-[  It just feels as though my body decides everything has to come out NOW! 

I've also wondered if it would be something I eat that causes it since it almost acts like a type of food poisoning by purging my body of the offending substance.  One time I remember it happened after I ate an apple that tasted rather tart and green.  Another time it happened after I ate fresh green beans that definitely were not cooked enough, they, too, tasted green.  So I'm hoping you all can give me a few ideas.  Thanks.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 20, 2007, 07:40:30 AM
I'm not sure exactly what I have, but thought you ladies might have some suggestions.  After reading some threads pertaining to IBS, I'm wondering if that's what it is.  About once or twice a year all of a sudden I'll get severe abdominal cramping that results in diarrhea.  The bad episodes of cramping can actually cause me to faint.  :-[  It just feels as though my body decides everything has to come out NOW! 

I've also wondered if it would be something I eat that causes it since it almost acts like a type of food poisoning by purging my body of the offending substance.  One time I remember it happened after I ate an apple that tasted rather tart and green.  Another time it happened after I ate fresh green beans that definitely were not cooked enough, they, too, tasted green.  So I'm hoping you all can give me a few ideas.  Thanks.
These symptoms sound very similar to IBS or Crohn's, both of which have been linked to candida and leaky gut syndrome. 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: morningglory February 07, 2008, 10:54:14 AM
I just thought I'd post a progress report.  I've been candida/leaky gut cleansing for about 3 weeks now.  This has included low carb eating, GF/CF diet, Dr Natura's Colonix and Toxinout cleanses, frequent enemas, Pau D'Arco tea, probiotics, kombucha, EFA supplementation, L-Glutamine, aloe juice, and probably other stuff I haven't thought of. 

My energy has picked up after the initial detox-y feelings, and I have had chronic fatigue since I had mono 4 years ago.  My butterfly rash (redness across the nose and cheeks characteristic of autoimmune disease) is almost totally gone.  I'm SOOO excited to be seeing results so soon.  And wonder of wonders, my husband is cleansing too!  That's a huge relief to me; I never in a million years thoguht he'd do it.  DS's eczema is not improving as much as I'd like, but there is some improvement.  The chronic yeast rash on his bottom is starting to clear up.

Anyway, I'm just praising the Lord for giving me the answers I've been looking for! :D 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 07, 2008, 11:29:52 AM
Good for you.  Glad to hear it when someone finds a solution. ;D
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything February 07, 2008, 02:04:10 PM
Ok here's my situation  ???.  My FIL (an MD) went to a nuetritionist because of his Arthritis who diagnosed him with Leaky Gut and tested him for food sensativities.  He has lived by this advice for about 4 years now (before I was added to this family) and has seen DRASTIC improvements in the way he feels.  HOWEVER I have never heard him talk about having received any information on healing his leaky gut and they are coming down for a visit starting tomorrow afternoon.  Even though he is an MD he is open to the 'natural' way of things and knows my background in this area and we have had some open discussions on this.

So I am seeking some advice on how to broach with him that I have found some info on healing a leaky gut and wondered if you gals had any thoughts on what the most important step would be to take (I don't want to overwhelm him and lose his ear).  He is much more open to the healthy eating side of things than to the herb side of things, but right now my instincts are to try and see if he would be interested in trying to rid himself of candida.  He already takes a fish oil supplement which I believe contains the nutrients for healthy mucus lining.

I would appriciate some advice on what you guys think is important to try and remedy his situation.  He is such a wonderful grandfather to our boys and only 52 yo and already has a hard time playing with him because he hurts so badly  :'(. 

-Heather

The primary cause of leaky gut is stress! Mental and emotional stressors are highly damaging to the immune system. Your first line of defense is an immunoglobulin called secritory IgA. 80% off it is found on the lining of the instinal track. Under periods of stress that number is drastically reducted. Since many people show an exaggerated stress response brought on by  not enought sleep, dehydration, not enough sun exposure, poor quality food, etc...the list goes on and on...it would be to his advantage to build health/vitality/immunity back up by addressing these fundamental factors.

Since he has artritis, it would be IMPERITIVE for him to understand the role of anti-inflammatories and his system. Omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil can really help, but they can only do so much. What's absolutely critical to understand is how bad NSAIDS (non-steriodal anti-infammatory drugs) are on the gut. In fact, they are #2 on the list for the all time bad things for your gut. Every time you take aspirin, for example, you loose 15-20 ml of blood. The risk of hemorrhagic stroke goes up 4 times with the use of these drugs. They are like a double edge sward: you get the pain relief, but you cause a number of other  problems in the process. Good article here: http://www.mercola.com/2005/jan/5/anti_inflammatories.htm

I give you this advice because I help people heal their guts for a living. If your FIL makes a commitment to determining the causitive factors that are driving his symptoms and then takes the necessary actions to implement a healing strategy, he can expect to heal his gut in about 6 months. For me personally, I took me a good 9 months at age 27 to get to the point where I had no more symptoms. So at his age....given his abilty to regenerate...it might take longer.

What is the cause of a leaky gut? Is a leaky gut a disease? Or is it a symptom of dis-ease on the human orgainsm....a living, breathing, mental, emotional, physical, and spriitual being. If you identify the major causes then you can forget about a remedy...you will have a solution!! :D



PMESguy--- you mentioned you help people with this problem for a living.  Do you have any more recommendations or do you pretty much agree with the ones given?  If you have time could you give more specifics? Thank you!
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 07, 2008, 03:07:48 PM
PMESguy--- you mentioned you help people with this problem for a living.  Do you have any more recommendations or do you pretty much agree with the ones given?  If you have time could you give more specifics? Thank you!
He quit the forum months ago.  Probably won't get an answer unless he's lurking around here somewhere.  ;)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything February 07, 2008, 09:02:27 PM
]He quit the forum months ago.  Probably won't get an answer unless he's lurking around here somewhere.  ;)

How rude to leave us in the lurch  :D  HB has all the answers we need anyway..now I just need to get brave enough to try it.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: grocerygetter February 08, 2008, 03:34:12 AM
PMES GUY!  Could you come back??
(At least he's not PMSGUY  ;))
Would someone put all the above into a simple program to heal the gut??
pretty please  :) :) :)
I think HB's already done that for us :)
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
The very beginning of this page is HB's step by step guide to becoming yeast free with an improved gut! Just scroll to the top of that page and begin reading!! Thanks again HB! I believe there's a very cute poem right after HB's post about what a genius she is. How appropriate...HTH
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 08, 2008, 06:45:35 AM
There's also a 2-part podcast that just came out this month related to this topic. 

backtobasicspodcast.com (http://backtobasicspodcast.com)

It's the 2 on the GI Tract
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything February 08, 2008, 09:20:52 AM
There's also a 2-part podcast that just came out this month related to this topic. 

backtobasicspodcast.com (http://backtobasicspodcast.com)

It's the 2 on the GI Tract

Way to go! It was very encouraging.  I believe I will try to make a better effort to do this Monday (....my son has a birthday this weekend :D)
HB, are you still symptom free or do you have to do some maintenance?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 08, 2008, 09:25:04 AM
There's also a 2-part podcast that just came out this month related to this topic. 

backtobasicspodcast.com (http://backtobasicspodcast.com)

It's the 2 on the GI Tract

Way to go! It was very encouraging.  I believe I will try to make a better effort to do this Monday (....my son has a birthday this weekend :D)
HB, are you still symptom free or do you have to do some maintenance?
I have had some other issues come up, but as far as I can tell, yeast and leaky gut are under control.  I take probiotics on occasion for illness and I take aloe for other reasons, but I'm sure this helps.  I also usually drink Kombucha every day that is until I get lazy and kill all my SCOBYs  :o  I do still take some other treatments (YA, garlic, Black Walnut, Coconut Oil, etc) for illness and as a precaution because I drink chlorinated water - something I hope to remedy soon.  If I can't get a filter, then I think I'm going to start boiling all my water.  I do not however take any of these things every day nor feel the need to at this point.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: grocerygetter February 11, 2008, 10:58:33 AM
There's also a 2-part podcast that just came out this month related to this topic. 

backtobasicspodcast.com (http://backtobasicspodcast.com)

It's the 2 on the GI Tract
HB, is that you on there?!
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 11, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
There's also a 2-part podcast that just came out this month related to this topic. 

backtobasicspodcast.com (http://backtobasicspodcast.com)

It's the 2 on the GI Tract
HB, is that you on there?!
Yes.   :-[
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: fredmegrus March 05, 2008, 11:38:17 AM
It wasn't until much later, I found the Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up and boy I'm glad I did.  After treating with this and a 4 day fast, I feel like a new person.
healthybratt: so am I understanding right, that you are doing this to treat and HEAL leaky gut?  These 2 products get rid of the yeast, right? But do they heal the leaky gut, if damage has been done?   And if so ~ how long does that take???  I'm sorry if this has already been discussed before; I tend to 'chase rabbits' on this site and read for hours without finding out exactly what I'm looking for! :-\ :-[
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 05, 2008, 01:06:43 PM
It wasn't until much later, I found the Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up and boy I'm glad I did.  After treating with this and a 4 day fast, I feel like a new person. 
healthybratt: so am I understanding right, that you are doing this to treat and HEAL leaky gut?  These 2 products get rid of the yeast, right? But do they heal the leaky gut, if damage has been done?   And if so ~ how long does that take???  I'm sorry if this has already been discussed before; I tend to 'chase rabbits' on this site and read for hours without finding out exactly what I'm looking for! :-\ :-[
Check out the first post on this link.

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: jewelrylight March 18, 2008, 04:15:28 AM
You said that you heal guts for a living?  My 18 mo. old has had chornic diarrhea for as long as I can remember.  Also she had a yeast infection on her bottom that I could not clear for the life of me.  I've been starving her pretty hard core- no sugar, no starches.  She accidentally has gotten a few of those things here nad there but she's so fussy all the time.  And we still don't have a completely formed stool.  But she hardly eats any fiber becasue seh dont' like her veggies.  It's been about 1 month now.  I did break down and feed her milk inbetween all that because I thought it might heal her.  Bad c hoicel  She was pooping continually after that for a couple days.  Now we get a stool about once a day which is improvement but I believe she's way undernourished...  And she's fussy all the time.  She's on a probiotic- the maker's diet.  Should iI get some testings done?  Could she have a leaky gut and be allergic?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 18, 2008, 08:45:04 AM
You said that you heal guts for a living? 

No.  I'm not a doctor or a medical professional of any kind.

I've done extensive research on myself and my families symptoms and needs and have shared with others, my experience and research.

I would suggest you read through my research and see if you find something that will support or negate your theories and treat accordingly.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: BJ_BOBBI_JO April 22, 2008, 02:43:28 PM
Just going by the list of leaky gut symptoms I am Mrs. Leaky Gut Queen.

 I went threw the thread but tend to miss stuff so here it goes, Questions;

-so leaky gut is probably caused by candida?

-the only way to heal or make leaky better is by getting rid of candida probably?

: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 22, 2008, 04:40:47 PM
Just going by the list of leaky gut symptoms I am Mrs. Leaky Gut Queen.

 I went threw the thread but tend to miss stuff so here it goes, Questions;

-so leaky gut is probably caused by candida?

-the only way to heal or make leaky better is by getting rid of candida probably?


Read this post.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644
 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
I think this will answer your questions and whole lot more.  If you read this and still have questions, go ahead and post them on that thread and either I or someone will help you get them answered.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: T May 07, 2008, 02:31:54 AM
OK, I've had my family on a strict diet and supplements for about two weeks now but I was just doing some research on Biotin to make sure it wasn't toxic in high doses (I was going to increase everyone's intake, if it was safe, to heal the gut faster and clear up some skin issues.)  While researching this, it said that Pantothenic Acid (another thing I'm supplementing) can cause depletion in Biotin.  So, any addvice out there?  Should they just not be taken at the same time?  I actually wanted to 'jump start/high dose' both of them since they aren't toxic but am I going to reverse one with the other? 

HB, I dare you to figure this out for me, or did you already answer this and I missed it ;)?  I know how much you love to research ;D! 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 07, 2008, 07:00:17 AM
OK, I've had my family on a strict diet and supplements for about two weeks now but I was just doing some research on Biotin to make sure it wasn't toxic in high doses (I was going to increase everyone's intake, if it was safe, to heal the gut faster and clear up some skin issues.)  While researching this, it said that Pantothenic Acid (another thing I'm supplementing) can cause depletion in Biotin.  So, any addvice out there?  Should they just not be taken at the same time?  I actually wanted to 'jump start/high dose' both of them since they aren't toxic but am I going to reverse one with the other? 

HB, I dare you to figure this out for me, or did you already answer this and I missed it ;)?  I know how much you love to research ;D! 
I don't know anything about Biotin or Pantothenic acid and I'm doing a perm today for MIL, so I might leave this to the others who are more educated on this topic.   ;D

(PS  I rarely succumb to dares  :P ;D :D)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. B May 07, 2008, 07:36:42 AM
OK, I've had my family on a strict diet and supplements for about two weeks now but I was just doing some research on Biotin to make sure it wasn't toxic in high doses (I was going to increase everyone's intake, if it was safe, to heal the gut faster and clear up some skin issues.)  While researching this, it said that Pantothenic Acid (another thing I'm supplementing) can cause depletion in Biotin.  So, any addvice out there?  Should they just not be taken at the same time?  I actually wanted to 'jump start/high dose' both of them since they aren't toxic but am I going to reverse one with the other? 

HB, I dare you to figure this out for me, or did you already answer this and I missed it ;)?  I know how much you love to research ;D! 
Obviously not HB, but I wouldn't worry about one depleting the other so much.   
In my research, I have found that Biotin doesn't necessarily deplete the pantothenic acid, but is a catalyst for it, so to speak... biotin is necessary for the body to be able to utilize pantothenic acid optimally.
What I would do would be to take half a dose of the biotin twice a day and take the pantothenic acid once a day.. I also tend to take my B vits as early in the day as possible as they keep me up at night otherwise....
I don't know what levels you are thinking of using, but I would look at using Biotin 500 mcg twice a day (for a total of 1,000mcg) and Pantothenic acid 500mg daily. 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: T May 07, 2008, 10:47:48 AM
Since neither one is toxic (to my understanding) and they are both supposed to help heal the gut and clear sinus congestion (both of which we have going on due, I believe, to candida) I was going to pound as much of it in everyone as possible.  Seems like it was Wikipedia or some other site that said Pantothenic Acid depletes Biotin.  I thought maybe the same as you Mrs. B, that I'd do the Biotin in the morning and evening with meals and the Pantothenic Acid at lunchtime.  I have never noticed any sleep issues with B vitamins, but then I've never thought of it.  We're taking L-Glutamine for gut healing, also.  I was getting that one mixed up with the Pantothenic Acid which is primarily for the congestion.  It is working for that, by the way  ;D

Not even to double dog dares, HB ::) ;D?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. B May 07, 2008, 12:49:20 PM
Hey T...
I just re-read my above post and don't know what I was doing when I initially wrote it...  I have edited it so that it makes some kind of sense...
K...
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock July 06, 2008, 02:41:09 AM
When it comes to healing the gut, have any of you tried homemade gelatin (from bone broth or stock)? It's supposed to be very healing for the intestinal lining and give the good flora an ideal place to settle down and raise a family.  ;)

I have been very curious about this, so I thought I'd ask.

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: momto4girls August 01, 2008, 03:15:50 PM
Is it at all possible to heal the leaky gut BEFORE you've cleaned up the yeast?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock August 01, 2008, 04:03:00 PM
I don't know about any research, but my opinion is that you can't. Since Candida pokes holes in your intestinal wall, I would think you need to kill the Candida before you can heal completely.

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom August 01, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
Is it at all possible to heal the leaky gut BEFORE you've cleaned up the yeast?

I'll actually disagree with WR.  Only because we are healing my son's gut and we haven't worked on candida with him at all.  We do eat a low sugar diet and I'm careful about yeast with my family but we haven't treated him yet for candida.  He had enough antibiotics as a baby for 3 people so I know yeast is an issue.  However, my ND has him taking Thorne's Perma Clean and his gut is healing very well.  He may not totally heal without dealing with the candida, but I believe you can start.  leaky gut can take several years to heal so you may as well start now.  I cannot recommend the Perma Clean enough!  We saw my son change in just a week with that stuff!

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock August 02, 2008, 03:03:34 AM
Wow, that's great. What is Perma Clean and what kind of changes have you seen?

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 02, 2008, 03:07:45 AM
Is it at all possible to heal the leaky gut BEFORE you've cleaned up the yeast?

I'll actually disagree with WR.  Only because we are healing my son's gut and we haven't worked on candida with him at all.  We do eat a low sugar diet ...
 with my family but we haven't treated him yet for candida.
This in itself may kill the yeast.

and I'm careful about yeast
Eating yeast does not create yeast

Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html)

However, my ND has him taking Thorne's Perma Clean and his gut is healing very well. .

This contains at least two power probiotics.  Probiotics kill and control yeast.

Leaky gut is caused by candida.  If you do not remove the cause, you cannot heal the gut.  The candida will continue to grow, flourish and mutate and make new holes.  Healing will be an uphill battle.  My first post in this thread (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg3823.html#msg3823) explains this more thoroughly.

There is some speculation that leaky guts can be created by other causes, like metals, NSAIDS, etc, but based on my research, I believe these are merely contributors and not the actual cause.

This link has a long list of links at the bottom of the post.  These are the websites where I got my information on Candida and Leaky Gut.

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)

: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom August 02, 2008, 08:24:37 AM

and I'm careful about yeast
Eating yeast does not create yeast


I should clarify this...  I don't watch that he doesn't get yeast - I watch that he doesn't eat foods that promote it.  Yeah, eating yeast does not beget yeast.   ;D

I agree that you cannot totally heal leaky gut without dealing with candida - I was simply saying that I think you can still start on the leaky gut and make some progress even if you haven't yet treated for candida.  As HB pointed out, just doing what we are doing (low sugar/non candida promoting foods) will help some with the candida.  While we may not be able to totally heal leaky gut without the yeast cleansing, I think a person can (and should) get a good jump on it just from what we've seen in my son.  At some point the candida will have to be dealt with.

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything September 05, 2008, 10:24:24 AM
Is it at all possible to heal the leaky gut BEFORE you've cleaned up the yeast?

I'll actually disagree with WR.  Only because we are healing my son's gut and we haven't worked on candida with him at all.  We do eat a low sugar diet and I'm careful about yeast with my family but we haven't treated him yet for candida.  He had enough antibiotics as a baby for 3 people so I know yeast is an issue.  However, my ND has him taking Thorne's Perma Clean and his gut is healing very well.  He may not totally heal without dealing with the candida, but I believe you can start.  leaky gut can take several years to heal so you may as well start now.  I cannot recommend the Perma Clean enough!  We saw my son change in just a week with that stuff!

patti
Where do you buy the Perma Clean?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom September 05, 2008, 03:24:19 PM
Is it at all possible to heal the leaky gut BEFORE you've cleaned up the yeast?

I'll actually disagree with WR.  Only because we are healing my son's gut and we haven't worked on candida with him at all.  We do eat a low sugar diet and I'm careful about yeast with my family but we haven't treated him yet for candida.  He had enough antibiotics as a baby for 3 people so I know yeast is an issue.  However, my ND has him taking Thorne's Perma Clean and his gut is healing very well.  He may not totally heal without dealing with the candida, but I believe you can start.  leaky gut can take several years to heal so you may as well start now.  I cannot recommend the Perma Clean enough!  We saw my son change in just a week with that stuff!

patti
Where do you buy the Perma Clean?

It's a Thorne supplement.  I get mine from my ND but I would guess if you google Thorne supplements and Perma Clear that you should get some hits.  Please note I corrected the last part of the name.  It is Perma CleaR not Perma CleaN.  Sorry for the error.

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock September 05, 2008, 05:05:46 PM
Wow, that's great. What is Perma Clea[r] and what kind of changes have you seen?

WR

bumpity-bump
WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom September 05, 2008, 08:07:18 PM
Wow, that's great. What is Perma Clea[r] and what kind of changes have you seen?

WR

bumpity-bump
WR

Sorry - I just saw this.  Perma Clear is a supplement that literally is intended to plug the holes in a person's gut while one treats the body.  As the gut heals it nourishes the intestinal lining and strengthens it.  My son has horrible food allergies.  He's allergic to eggs, gluten, all dairy (cow and goat), beef, turkey and pineapple.  It's very limiting.  Within a week of starting this stuff I inadvertantly got something mixed in his food (in a very small amount mind you) but he had a very minor reaction to it.  Previously, he would have been head to toe hives in 5 minutes.  He had one hive about an hour after he ate it.  That's a huge change.  He also physically felt so much better because stuff wasn't leaking through his intestines.  He was a new child.  He had had no energy for so long.  He wasn't acting "boy" if that makes sense.  Once the holes in his gut were starting to get plugged he felt so much better he starting being a "boy" again. 

Just for info. the ingredients in the Perma Clear are:

L-glutamine  1200mg
n-acetylglucosamine  1000mg
2 probiotic strains (really stinking long ones)
quercetin chalcone (a water soluable form of quercetin)
ginger root extract  40mg.


hth

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock September 06, 2008, 04:30:21 AM
I looked it up and found that the probiotics are Saccharomyces boulardii and Lactobacillus sporogenes. Saccharomyces boulardii is the same thing that's in Florastor, which I was reading about back when my dad was sick with an intestinal infection. The Florastor was too expensive, but I was able to find some Saccharomyces boulardii online for less than half the price. I still have it in the fridge. I wonder how much the other ingredients for Perma Clear would cost individually.

I'm especially interested in the N-Acetylglucosamine. I can find  Poly N-Acetylglucosamine which is a polymer made from N-Acetylglucosamine, but that just doesn't sound "right" to me. KWIM? Anyway, if I could find an inexpensive (or at lest much less expensive) source for the good stuff (LOL!) I'd like to get some of it. It sounds like something my whole family could benefit from.

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: DHW September 06, 2008, 06:59:06 AM
from the product description for Thorne Research Perma Clear on one website:

SPECIAL NOTE: N-acetylglucosamine is sourced from crab chitin; therefore, those with an allergy to shellfish should avoid use of this product. This product is NOT yeast free.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: DHW September 06, 2008, 07:05:47 AM
Patti, are you giving your son the full dose of Perma Clear, 3 capsules three times a day?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom September 06, 2008, 02:51:31 PM
Patti, are you giving your son the full dose of Perma Clear, 3 capsules three times a day?

No.  He is only 9 so I give him two caps a day.  My bottle says 4 caps is an adult dose. 

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom September 06, 2008, 02:53:16 PM
I looked it up and found that the probiotics are Saccharomyces boulardii and Lactobacillus sporogenes. Saccharomyces boulardii is the same thing that's in Florastor, which I was reading about back when my dad was sick with an intestinal infection. The Florastor was too expensive, but I was able to find some Saccharomyces boulardii online for less than half the price. I still have it in the fridge. I wonder how much the other ingredients for Perma Clear would cost individually.

I'm especially interested in the N-Acetylglucosamine. I can find  Poly N-Acetylglucosamine which is a polymer made from N-Acetylglucosamine, but that just doesn't sound "right" to me. KWIM? Anyway, if I could find an inexpensive (or at lest much less expensive) source for the good stuff (LOL!) I'd like to get some of it. It sounds like something my whole family could benefit from.

WR


WR, I think I paid $50 for my bottle of 180 capsules.  I can't imagine being able to find the ingredients themselves for cheaper and making your own caps. - unless you're thinking to just take capsules of each item.  That would probably be cheaper, but wow, what a lot of capsules!

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock September 06, 2008, 04:50:41 PM
Yeah, sadly, I couldn't afford it either way. I wonder what the price comparison would be like if the amount of each item in Perma Clear vs the amount you get by buying separately, was taken into account. Think of it as buying in bulk.  ;D

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: BJ_BOBBI_JO September 07, 2008, 09:52:07 AM
Can babies be born with candida and leaky gut?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. B September 07, 2008, 01:32:30 PM
Can babies be born with candida and leaky gut?
Yes... at least as far as candida/yeast is concerned.  I've known a couple of women who took antibiotics while pregnant and then their babies had severe thrush and yeast issues immediately following birth. 
Most of them had to be VERY diligent in treating it, and it was very difficult for them.
WHile I haven't personally known any newborns with leaky gut, I would think that if they can have candida they could also have it too.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: hi_itsgwen September 07, 2008, 06:06:40 PM
From my understanding, babies are born sterile with no bacteria or gut flora.  As soon as the mother holds the baby, Mom's friendly bacteria begins to colonize the babies skin.  Nursing colonizes the gut and gives the baby the correct enzymes to digest the milk.   As the baby grows, their bodies have to acquire the enzymes needed to break down other foods.

I have a theory that this is why native people pre-chew their foods...as the parent's saliva passes on the necessary enzymes to digest the foods.  (That, and they don't have a Cuisinart :))

I am very particular about anyone outside of our famliy handling the newborn baby for a while.  And I like to nurse skin to skin as soon after the baby is born as possible.  I also like to eat whatever I am feeding the baby as I introduce new foods to her. 

So an infant is totally dependent on Mom (mainly) to give them the good gut flora.  Baby's health is vitally connected to Mom, so if Mom has a problem with Candida, baby will too.  :(  The good news is that as Mom's health improves, baby's will too.  Get those probiotics going!

: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock September 07, 2008, 06:37:21 PM
It actually starts in the birth canal, I think. The baby's digestive system gets it's first inoculation with bacteria and/or yeast in the birth canal.

I'll add references tomorrow if I can.

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: BJ_BOBBI_JO September 08, 2008, 04:37:22 AM
It actually starts in the birth canal, I think. The baby's digestive system gets it's first inoculation with bacteria and/or yeast in the birth canal.

That would make since as to why my 8 year old, who was born via vaginal birth, is possibly displaying signs of candida and leaky gut and why my 5 year old who was born via section does not.

Now that I know about candida and leaky gut I now know that I have had them for many years. Even years before I had the kids.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock September 08, 2008, 04:53:38 AM
Check out the GAPS Diet for healing leaky gut...

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20533.msg200937.html#msg200937

I'm thinking about doing this for my mom, if she is willing to give it a try. Then I might do it for my kids, my dh, me individually. Since we might each move thru the different stages at a different pace, I'm thinking it would just be easier for me to just deal with one person at a time.

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie September 11, 2008, 11:05:56 AM
Wow, that's great. What is Perma Clea[r] and what kind of changes have you seen?

WR

bumpity-bump
WR

Sorry - I just saw this.  Perma Clear is a supplement that literally is intended to plug the holes in a person's gut while one treats the body.  As the gut heals it nourishes the intestinal lining and strengthens it.  My son has horrible food allergies.  He's allergic to eggs, gluten, all dairy (cow and goat), beef, turkey and pineapple.  It's very limiting.  Within a week of starting this stuff I inadvertantly got something mixed in his food (in a very small amount mind you) but he had a very minor reaction to it.  Previously, he would have been head to toe hives in 5 minutes.  He had one hive about an hour after he ate it.  That's a huge change.  He also physically felt so much better because stuff wasn't leaking through his intestines.  He was a new child.  He had had no energy for so long.  He wasn't acting "boy" if that makes sense.  Once the holes in his gut were starting to get plugged he felt so much better he starting being a "boy" again. 

Just for info. the ingredients in the Perma Clear are:

L-glutamine  1200mg
n-acetylglucosamine  1000mg
2 probiotic strains (really stinking long ones)
quercetin chalcone (a water soluable form of quercetin)
ginger root extract  40mg.


hth

patti

i am thinking of getting either this product or ReNew Life Intestinew.  Does anyone have any testimonials in addition to this one?  this Perma Clear is a lot more expensive from what i can tell.  it would also require a separate order, in addition to my Lucky Vitamin order.   can anyone help me decide if it is worth the extra money to go with the Perma Clear?  i already am taking 8 acidophilus bifidus daily and sometimes others.  i have better success in killing off my yeast with it, rather than Gr8dophilus or primal defense.  my other option was to just add the NOW brand of L-glutamine.  lots cheaper. 

i am also wondering if anyone has had success with switching probiotics every few days? 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt September 12, 2008, 03:58:36 PM
I added l.glutamine, aloe and cod liver oil to my probiotics and candida clear (yeast assassin).  I think you need the first 3 to heal the gut and the last to kill yeast and recolonize.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie September 13, 2008, 03:50:52 AM
I added l.glutamine, aloe and cod liver oil to my probiotics and candida clear (yeast assassin).  I think you need the first 3 to heal the gut and the last to kill yeast and recolonize.

do you think the aloe is really necessary?  i am taking the clo, and decided to just get the NOW l. glutamine, but i feel like i take soooo many pills, was hoping to eliminate the aloe.  is 2 NOW clo softgels enough?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt September 13, 2008, 06:11:53 AM
I added l.glutamine, aloe and cod liver oil to my probiotics and candida clear (yeast assassin).  I think you need the first 3 to heal the gut and the last to kill yeast and recolonize.

do you think the aloe is really necessary?  i am taking the clo, and decided to just get the NOW l. glutamine, but i feel like i take soooo many pills, was hoping to eliminate the aloe.  is 2 NOW clo softgels enough?
I doubt that 2 is going to do a whole lot.  I took/take 4 a day (maximum allowance of vit A according to most sources).  If you're still suffering from inflammation and other symptoms you may need to consider adding a 3/6/9 to the mix to get more EFAs witout overdosing on the vit's A & D.

I can't say that the aloe is crucial; however, you've voiced many upsets with getting healthy.  I didn't have near the problems you're having, so long as I kept up the supplements and didn't immerse myself in corn syrup and sugary desserts.  I think the aloe has so many wonderful properties (it's antifungal AND it's gut healing).  I think if you're going to go bare minimum: my choices would be Candida Clear, Strong Probiotic, Aloe, CLO and l.Glutamine.  If I had to throw out all my other supplements when fighting yeast, these are the for sure things I'd personally keep on hand in abundance until I was sure the battle was over and I do keep them around for other issues as well.  All of these supplements are useful for other things. 
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie September 13, 2008, 11:34:26 AM
I added l.glutamine, aloe and cod liver oil to my probiotics and candida clear (yeast assassin).  I think you need the first 3 to heal the gut and the last to kill yeast and recolonize.

do you think the aloe is really necessary?  i am taking the clo, and decided to just get the NOW l. glutamine, but i feel like i take soooo many pills, was hoping to eliminate the aloe.  is 2 NOW clo softgels enough?
I doubt that 2 is going to do a whole lot.  I took/take 4 a day (maximum allowance of vit A according to most sources).  If you're still suffering from inflammation and other symptoms you may need to consider adding a 3/6/9 to the mix to get more EFAs witout overdosing on the vit's A & D.

I can't say that the aloe is crucial; however, you've voiced many upsets with getting healthy.  I didn't have near the problems you're having, so long as I kept up the supplements and didn't immerse myself in corn syrup and sugary desserts.  I think the aloe has so many wonderful properties (it's antifungal AND it's gut healing).  I think if you're going to go bare minimum: my choices would be Candida Clear, Strong Probiotic, Aloe, CLO and l.Glutamine.  If I had to throw out all my other supplements when fighting yeast, these are the for sure things I'd personally keep on hand in abundance until I was sure the battle was over and I do keep them around for other issues as well.  All of these supplements are useful for other things. 

okie dokie, and i'll throw the 3-6-9 in there too for good measure.  thanks!
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt September 13, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
I added l.glutamine, aloe and cod liver oil to my probiotics and candida clear (yeast assassin).  I think you need the first 3 to heal the gut and the last to kill yeast and recolonize.

do you think the aloe is really necessary?  i am taking the clo, and decided to just get the NOW l. glutamine, but i feel like i take soooo many pills, was hoping to eliminate the aloe.  is 2 NOW clo softgels enough?
I doubt that 2 is going to do a whole lot.  I took/take 4 a day (maximum allowance of vit A according to most sources).  If you're still suffering from inflammation and other symptoms you may need to consider adding a 3/6/9 to the mix to get more EFAs witout overdosing on the vit's A & D.

I can't say that the aloe is crucial; however, you've voiced many upsets with getting healthy.  I didn't have near the problems you're having, so long as I kept up the supplements and didn't immerse myself in corn syrup and sugary desserts.  I think the aloe has so many wonderful properties (it's antifungal AND it's gut healing).  I think if you're going to go bare minimum: my choices would be Candida Clear, Strong Probiotic, Aloe, CLO and l.Glutamine.  If I had to throw out all my other supplements when fighting yeast, these are the for sure things I'd personally keep on hand in abundance until I was sure the battle was over and I do keep them around for other issues as well.  All of these supplements are useful for other things. 

okie dokie, and i'll throw the 3-6-9 in there too for good measure.  thanks!
Inflammation & Diet [Recommended Dosages & Diet] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8697.msg93452.html#msg93452)
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 24, 2008, 06:04:23 PM
MSM may help heal leaky gut.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1591.msg206874.html#msg206874
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: DHW January 02, 2009, 03:23:30 PM
Read the blog entry dated 1/2/9:

http://www.samuelbackus.com/BackusBlog.html
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock January 02, 2009, 05:28:46 PM
I don't understand what the sandy poop was a sign of. My 1yo ds has had periods of time where he passes sandy poop, practically since birth (I'm sure I've posted about it somewhere on WTM). It has me confounded and I seriously want to know what causes it. That post is the first time I've heard of it happening to anyone else.

WR

Read the blog entry dated 1/2/9:

http://www.samuelbackus.com/BackusBlog.html
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom January 02, 2009, 05:47:02 PM
I don't understand what the sandy poop was a sign of. My 1yo ds has had periods of time where he passes sandy poop, practically since birth (I'm sure I've posted about it somewhere on WTM). It has me confounded and I seriously want to know what causes it. That post is the first time I've heard of it happening to anyone else.

WR

Read the blog entry dated 1/2/9:

http://www.samuelbackus.com/BackusBlog.html



WR,

When a person has "sandy poop" it means they have an intestinal blockage.  I know Jen Backus via the web as she helped me during my MIL's illness and when my 7yr old had the sandy poop.  I consider her the "guru of the gut."  When my DD had the sandy poop (she struggles with being plugged up) Jen had me put her on a diet of only pears and applesauce until she started going normal again.  It took my DD about 3 days before she finally cleared.  Jen said it can take longer.  Jen also wanted me to give my DD one dose of Miralax but I wouldn't do that because Miralax is bad stuff.  But her dealings with Samual's gut taught her not to mess around with a plugged gut.  Anyways, if your child has the sandy poop I would be concerned of a blockage in the intestines.  They usually don't hit sandy poop until there isn't any room for stuff to go by the blockage.  Then the sandy poop comes.

hth

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: DHW January 02, 2009, 05:50:18 PM
Jen seemed to be saying that Samuel's sandy poop was due to LGS and an overloaded liver and gallbladder.  He was not digesting his food.  At all.

I googled "sandy poop" and it apparently is very common in celiac disease.  Occurs pretty frequently with grains, especially whole grains.  (The moms did not seem to understand that the poo was a telling sign of impaired digestion.)  Saw one mention of yeast overgrowth.  Frequently appears in children with GI problems, not unusual in autistic children, according to the posts I read.

I think if a blockage is part of the problem, then only the small particles and liquid waste are getting through, and there can be considerable waste trapped in the intestines.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock January 02, 2009, 06:08:46 PM
I want to be sure we're talking about the same thing, first. When Pickle (the 1yo) has sandy poop, it's not dry, or hard, or anything like that. It's perfectly normal looking, only when you start cleaning it off, you can tell it has "grit" in it --just like very fine sand. Is this the same thing? How does that happen from a blockage? Does the sandy poop have anything to do with leaky gut or is it only significant to that aspect of the article because a blockage can aggravate (?) leaky gut?

Oh, BTW, Pickle also has slightly larger particles in his poop sometimes, that are not gritty, they are kinda like tiny little popped balloons or something. I can see them being described as "pebbles" or "gravel" only they are not hard. Is this the gravelly poop she is talking about?

Also, in case it's useful info, he was breast milk only for much longer than the the average kid. And these episodes started happening while he was an infant (no solid foods) and no access to sand or anything else he could have ingested that might pass thru and show up in his poop. It doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. And I have not spotted any patterns that might link it to a particular food.

Thanks,
WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom January 02, 2009, 06:58:20 PM
Gravel/sand poop is a little hard to describe.  It literally looks like sand and is typically very loose (not runny - sandy).  It literally looks like gravel on the ground only brown and a little looser looking. 

Sand poop is in fact from intestinal blockage.  I just read Jen's recent update and she is coming to understand how much leaky gut Samual had.  But if you go way back into her archives (when Samual was still alive) she writes a lot about the sand and gravel poops being blockages.  Because Samual did not have his large intestine he was constantly getting illeuses (sp?) [a blockage].  My experience with my own DD is the same thing happened when she got blocked bad enough that only sand/gravel could get by the blockage.  Jen is just now beginning to understand how Samual's leaky gut played a part in his whole illness/intestinal issues.  So I think that's the confusion.

WR, it does not sound like what you're dealing with is true gravel poop.  Gravel/sand poops are not formed AT ALL.  I think of gravel with a little water added to it as the best description for true sand poops (blockage poops). 

It sounds like your Pickle is not digesting well.  When we did a stool test on my son that's what his stools looked like.  Lots of undigested particles.  Have you considered a stool test from Genova Diagnostics?  This doesn't sound like Leaky Gut (although it can lead to it long term), it sounds like poor digestion.  Fats, carbs, what?  You won't know without testing his/her stool.  For my son, he was digesting fats but only absorbing about 40% of them.  Now that we have started clearing that up, he doesn't have any signs of leaky gut.  So I think poor digestion/absorption (those are two very different things BTW) can be mistaken for LG at times.

hth

patti
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: paradisemamma January 02, 2009, 08:04:17 PM
Gravel/sand poop is a little hard to describe.  It literally looks like sand and is typically very loose (not runny - sandy).  It literally looks like gravel on the ground only brown and a little looser looking. 

Sand poop is in fact from intestinal blockage.  I just read Jen's recent update and she is coming to understand how much leaky gut Samual had.  But if you go way back into her archives (when Samual was still alive) she writes a lot about the sand and gravel poops being blockages.  Because Samual did not have his large intestine he was constantly getting illeuses (sp?) [a blockage].  My experience with my own DD is the same thing happened when she got blocked bad enough that only sand/gravel could get by the blockage.  Jen is just now beginning to understand how Samual's leaky gut played a part in his whole illness/intestinal issues.  So I think that's the confusion.

WR, it does not sound like what you're dealing with is true gravel poop.  Gravel/sand poops are not formed AT ALL.  I think of gravel with a little water added to it as the best description for true sand poops (blockage poops). 

It sounds like your Pickle is not digesting well.  When we did a stool test on my son that's what his stools looked like.  Lots of undigested particles.  Have you considered a stool test from Genova Diagnostics?  This doesn't sound like Leaky Gut (although it can lead to it long term), it sounds like poor digestion.  Fats, carbs, what?  You won't know without testing his/her stool.  For my son, he was digesting fats but only absorbing about 40% of them.  Now that we have started clearing that up, he doesn't have any signs of leaky gut.  So I think poor digestion/absorption (those are two very different things BTW) can be mistaken for LG at times.

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patti
Are you referring to almost totally watery stools full of grit with a HIGHLY acidic odor (and lots of it!) usually happening within max of 15min after eating?
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: mykidsmom January 03, 2009, 08:30:56 AM
Are you referring to almost totally watery stools full of grit with a HIGHLY acidic odor (and lots of it!) usually happening within max of 15min after eating?

Nope.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock January 03, 2009, 09:41:30 AM
Have you considered a stool test from Genova Diagnostics? 

I did think about it for my other son, after reading about your experience, but I just didn't think dh would go for it. Although, it never hurts to ask, I guess.  :)

WR
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 08, 2010, 06:14:06 AM
WHY DO WE KEEP GETTING A VIRUS?!?!?!  The test we are able to afford is not detailed or extremely sensitive...
This topic has been spit and moved here (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,26159.0.html).
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: sprobasco February 23, 2010, 02:30:07 PM
Thought this would be a good thing to add here...

i have a two year old who has battled multiple health issues which have gotten worse lately. It started with eczema and cradle cap as an infant...that got better for awhile with treatment...but then it came back at about 1.5 along with tummy issues and frequent colds/coughs/congestions/wheezing.

He also still has eczema and "cradle cap" (or psoriasis). (he also has horrible eating habits, and typically only wants to eat junk food where my four year old does not have that problem and i have parented them the same:)

After trying in vain to to handle it myself...finally took him to a naturopath today. She gave us a heavy duty probiotic along with dha and l glutamine.

She said..in short...he has a food allergy (probably multiple and maybe yeast as well) that caused the initial problem that has now multiplied into leaky gut. What may have originally been only one food allergy may now have become multiple because the leaky gut leads to more sensitivities, and also causes him to crave sugar and the foods he is allergic to.

We did an allergy test today and she is starting him on the treatment to heal his gut. Basically, once you heal the gut, the food allergies may go away. (at least the bulk of them and the severity).

Decided to my own research when i got home and this thread seems to confirm what she said. Thought this would be good to post since it really confirms what you all have said here. I am going to keep reading... ;D
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: amandas5boys September 20, 2010, 06:15:54 PM
I am wondering if a pro biotic alone would kill the yeast? I finally got my husband to go to the ND and he put him on a pro biotic. He also put my DS on it as well. He said that it would be enough to kill the yeast but I am thinking maybe not.?

He put him on Symbiotique It has:
Propir-fidus
Lactobacillus rhamosus
Bifidobacterium bifidum
bifidobacterium longum


Should we do something else to help kill the yeast as well? I was thinking the yeast assassin but right now dh is not very happy at how much it has cost us so far. Can olive leaf exract kill yeast? I have read it is an anti virus.

Any help would be appreciated. I am sort of dizzy with trying to get my family healthy. Just found out ds has gluten intolerance and other ds is having feet problems with his diabetes. I would just like to fix them all.

: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama September 22, 2010, 08:49:36 AM
Probiotics will go a long way by themselves to kill yeast.

The best thing you can do in addition to the probiotics is to figure out a basic idea of why the yeast got out of control in the first place. Too much sugar/carbs in the diet? Too many toxins or heavy metal exposure? Antibiotics (2 rounds in one a year or more over a lifetime)? Chronic inflammation levels from endocrine disruption of genetic allergies?

Probiotics can really help though nothing beats diet changes for getting yeast back in balance permanently. The good news---diet changes will help all of the rest of the family as well. Fortunately you don't have to understand all of the ins and outs of the multitude of "diagnostic" possibiliites for some simple (not always easy) changes to start making improvements across the spectrum of health.

Have you read The Maker's Diet and or Empowering Your Health?  Both of those books are wonderful. Good info presented clearly and in an easy to read style. I encourage you to get one or both of them or PM me. I might be able to loan them to you.
: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome: Signs, Symptoms & Cures
: amandas5boys September 22, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
Thanks for the reply. I am so glad to hear that they will kill yeast. Would he be getting  die off symptoms from this? He is not feeling very well and said that his brain is foggy. He can't think straight. And is very tired.

Do you know if honey will kill yeast or feed it?

I appreciate your willingness to loan me the books. I plan on buying the Makers diet. And I will look the other one up in the library. I am in Australia so I think that that would be a fare ways to loan. I found them for 1c at amazon.

We really don't do much sugar or sweets around here. Although my husband may do more than the rest of us. He does like sweets but will say he doesn't. He hasn't really been on antibiotics either. He may have been on them 16 years ago when he had a bad car accident. The only other thing I could put it down to is when we were on deputation for 2 to 3 years. It is a very stressful time trying to get to the next meeting and trying to keep cost down and save time so buying a dollar burger on the way. This is the time that ds was diagnosed with diabetes. Almost every church we went to gave the children candy. I threw so much of it away but they still had their share.

I have been reading the liver cleaning diet book. Maybe that can help jump start us. But like I said we do eat pretty healthy already. Although green leafy vegetables aren't my husbands favorite. I hide them in soups and mashed potatoes. He usually says something like umm spinach ah.

Thanks a bunch
Amanda