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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Liver, Gall Bladder & Pancrease => : YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 02:08:45 AM

: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 02:08:45 AM
I would like to learn more about the liver.   ;D

I've been through various cleanses, detoxification programs, supplements, etc. They have all brought some benefit over the years.

However, I am currently going through a comprehensive, itchy rash, the likes of which I've never seen.  I think it's a detox rash...a sign that my liver is finally getting healthier.

I have battled eczema for the better part of my 34 years, and I think it's due to being placed on antibiotics at birth (e. coli meningitis), and then for various ear infections (I was not breastfed), which necessitated more antibiotics.  Then came years of corticosteroidal creams...add to that, probably Candida and years of eating junk food with dyes, artificial whatevers, and sugars.  So, behold: Toxic YooperMama.   :(

My 1st big clue was developing pre-eclampsia in '99 w/ my 1st child (after going through some painful constipation a year prior to that--imagine going to ER for the worst pain in your life and essentially being told, "You're full of cr*p.").   :-[ ::) :o ;)  My body was trying to tell me something but I didn't get it, still, for awhile...not until I started getting healthier in '01 w/ PG #2. Read Dr. Gary Null and starting thinking about what I ate and how it affected me.   :o

Anyway....after 5 1/2 years of transitioning to a more healthful, natural way of living, I have come to this rash and the LIVER.   :P  I have recently done a Master Cleanse as well as a Liver Flush...that and oil pulling, seem to be helping my liver work better, thus THE RASH.   :o

I've benefited so much from WTM threads on eczema, fungal-bacteria, cleanses, etc. Thank you to all who share their experiences, ideas, trials  and victories!   :-*

Now I want to start sharing what we all know/find out about the liver.  :)  Here's something from Dr. Sandra Cabot (The Liver Doctor) on her website:

http://www.liverdoctor.com/help/faq/category.asp?id=62
Where is my liver?
It is situated in the upper right abdominal and lower right thoracic area. This is known in medical terms as the right hypochondrium. The upper margin of the liver lies between the fifth and sixth ribs, and its lower margin can sometimes normally be felt below the right rib cage if you breath in deeply. In those with some forms of liver disease or fatty liver, the enlargement of the liver can easily be felt extending below the right rib cage. The liver is divided into a right and left section, which are called lobes. The liver is the largest and hardest working organ in the body. The liver is such an important organ that it has two sources of blood supply, namely the hepatic artery and the portal vein. The portal vein drains the blood from the gastrointestinal tract and spleen, back to the liver, which is why we can say that the liver is the gateway to the body. 

http://www.liverdoctor.com/02_liverdetox.asp
The Liver and Detoxification

More than ever before in the history of mankind, human beings need to have healthy livers to break down the chemicals that have crept into our environment. If you talk to radiologists and gastroenterologists who are looking at people's livers today they will tell you that the condition "Fatty Liver" affects more than 50% of people over the age of 50!

Common causes are incorrect diet, excessive alcohol intake, adverse reactions to drugs and toxic chemicals, and viral hepatitis. Dr. Cabot believes it is because modern-day medicine has become sidetracked into treating the symptoms of diseases and not the causes. Excess weight is a symptom of liver dysfunction and not solely due to the number of calories you consume.

We have been attacking the symptoms of weight excess with fad diets, obsessional high impact aerobics, stomach stapling and toxic drugs, such as appetite suppressants, laxatives and diuretics. We have failed to consider the underlying cause of LIVER DYSFUNCTION and indeed we have virtually ignored the hardest-working organ in the body, with dire consequences.  

The liver is the gateway to the body and in this chemical age its detoxification systems are easily overloaded. Thousands of chemicals are added to food and over 700 have been identified in drinking water. Plants are sprayed with toxic chemicals, animals are injected with potent hormones and antibiotics and a significant amount of our food is genetically engineered, processed, refined, frozen and cooked. All this can lead to destruction of delicate vitamins and minerals, which are needed for the detoxification pathways in the liver. The liver must try to cope with every toxic chemical in our environment, as well as damaged fats that are present in processed and fried foods.

The Liver Filter
The liver is the cleanser and filter of the blood stream and is of vital importance. It is the largest organ in the body and has an enormous amount of blood flowing through it every minute of our lives. It is between 21 - 22.5 cm in its greatest diameter, 15 - 17.5cm in its greatest height and 10 - 12.5 cm in its depth, weighing around 1200 - 1600 gms

A Normal Healthy Liver
What are the functions of the liver?

• It is responsible for the production of bile which is stored in the gallbladder and released when required for the digestion of fats.
• The liver stores glucose in the form of glycogen which is converted back to glucose again when needed for energy.
• It also plays an important role in the metabolism of protein and fats. It stores the vitamins A, D, K, B12 and folate and synthesizes blood clotting factors.
• Another important role is as a detoxifier, breaking down or transforming substances like ammonia, metabolic waste, drugs, alcohol and chemicals, so that they can be excreted. These may also be referred to as "xenobiotic" chemicals. If we examine the liver under a microscope, we will see rows of liver cells separated by spaces which act like a filter or sieve, through which the blood stream flows. The liver filter is designed to remove toxic matter such as dead cells, microorganisms, chemicals, drugs and particulate debris from the blood stream. The liver filter is called the sinusoidal system, and contains specialized cells known as Kupffer cells which ingest and breakdown toxic matter.

The liver filter can remove a wide range of microorganisms such as bacteria, fungi, viruses and parasites from the blood stream, which is highly desirable, as we certainly do not want these dangerous things building up in the blood stream and invading the deeper parts of the body. Infections with parasites often come from the contaminated water supplies found in large cities, and indeed other dangerous organisms may find their way into your gut and blood stream from these sources. This can cause chronic infections and poor health, so it is important to protect your liver from overload with these microorganisms. The safest thing to do is boil your water for at least 5 minutes, or drink only bottled water that has been filtered and sterilized. High loads of unhealthy microorganisms can also come from eating foods that are prepared in conditions of poor hygiene by persons who are carrying bacteria, viruses or parasites on their skin. Foods, especially meats that are not fresh or are preserved, also contain a higher bacterial load, which will overwork the liver filter if they are eaten regularly.

Recently, it has become very fashionable for people to detoxify their bodies by various means, such as fasting or cleansing the bowels with fiber mixtures. Fasting can by its extreme nature, only be a temporary method of cleansing the body of waste products, and for many people causes an excessively rapid release of toxins which can cause unpleasant, acute symptoms. The liver filter, like any filter, needs to be cleansed regularly, and it is much easier and safer to do it everyday. This is easily and pleasantly achieved by adopting a daily eating pattern that maintains the liver filter in a healthy clean state. By following the methods and guidelines on this site, you will be able to keep the liver filter healthy and clean. Although it is important to keep the intestines moving regularly and to sweep their walls with high fiber and living foods, it is important to remember that the bowels are really a channel of elimination and not a cleansing organ per se. In other words the bowels cannot cleanse, filter or remove toxic wastes from the blood stream.

It is only the liver that can purify the blood stream and we only have one liver.

http://www.liverdoctor.com/03_detoxpathways.asp
The Liver Detoxification Pathways

Inside the liver cells there are sophisticated mechanisms that have evolved over millions of years to break down toxic substances. Every drug, artificial chemical, pesticide and hormone, is broken down (metabolized) by enzyme pathways inside the liver cells. Many of the toxic chemicals that enter the body are fat-soluble, which means they dissolve only in fatty or oily solutions and not in water. This makes them difficult for the body to excrete. Fat soluble chemicals have a high affinity for fat tissues and cell membranes, which are made of fatty substances. In these fatty parts of the body, toxins may be stored for years, being released during times of exercise, stress or fasting. During the release of these toxins, symptoms such as headaches, poor memory, stomach pain, nausea, fatigue, dizziness and palpitations may occur.

The body's primary defense against metabolic poisoning is carried out by the liver. The liver has two mechanisms designed to convert fat-soluble chemicals into water soluble chemicals so that they may then be easily excreted from the body via watery fluids such as bile and urine.

Toxic Overload
If the phase one and two detoxification pathways become overloaded, there will be a build up of toxins in the body. Many of these toxins are fat soluble and incorporate themselves into fatty parts of the body where they may stay for years, if not for a lifetime. The brain and the endocrine (hormonal) glands are fatty organs, and are common sites for fat-soluble toxins to accumulate. This may result in symptoms of brain dysfunction and hormonal imbalances, such as infertility, breast pain, menstrual disturbances, adrenal gland exhaustion and early menopause. Many of these chemicals (eg. pesticides, petrochemicals) are carcinogenic and have been implicated in the rising incidence of many cancers.

Rarely does anyone think about the liver, which seems incredible to me because it is such a powerful organ and is easily improved. Indeed the simplest and most effective way to cleanse the blood stream and thus take the load off the immune system is by improving liver function.  
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 19, 2007, 04:58:02 AM
This is VERY good, yoopermama!!  I agree that information on the liver is extremely important.  I had a friend that died from liver cancer in her late 30's.  A few weeks before her passing, she told me that she believed the liver was the most important organ in your body and that I need to take care of mine. 
I believe that it is one of the most important organs in the body and we should all learn its functions and proper cleansing.  Thanks for sharing all this!!
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: Kati*did February 19, 2007, 05:10:36 AM
I would have to agree with the importance of the liver.  As I have been researching how to best deal with my diabetes, epilepsy, and all the things that come with them (a lot of cleaning needs to be done), I have found over and over that "all things lead to..." the liver.  If I don't take care of my liver, all the other things I deal with will likely be recurring problems.  The other thing I've found as I research is that if I take care of my liver first, the other problems will be easier to take care of. 
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: makingchanges February 19, 2007, 05:20:57 AM
My NP Dr. told me that my liver is now functioning at 100%, but last Sept. it was functioning at 36%. It was shut down! The cause, or shall we say the nail in the coffin, literally, was diflucan to try to get rid of a 6 month yeast infection. My OBYGN Dr. had me taking diflucan every other day and it killed all the good in my body and shut down my liver. My liver was already stressed from the yeast, which was caused by the chemicals toxicity, which was caused by earlier antibiotics of which was sulfur. Get the picture. God has made us so fearfully and wonderfully made. Everything is dependent on a domino effect.
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 19, 2007, 05:23:21 AM
My NP Dr. told me that my liver is now functioning at 100%, but last Sept. it was functioning at 36%. It was shut down!

Just out of curiosity, how did your NP measure this?  Sounds interesting.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 07:21:48 AM
I am so excited about the responses want to hear more!   :D

Makingchanges, I'm curious, too, how your liver functioning was measured?  This link talks about liver tests:  http://www.liverfoundation.org/db/articles/1077; I'm particularly interested since I have an appointment Friday w/ a dermatologist.  I'd like to know if there's any test I can request.  My SIL is on Diflucan for yeast often and her skin has been awful!  Then they put her on an antibiotic...She has Down Syndrome so she can't articulate how miserable I suspect she is.   :(

Katidid, My hope, too, is in taking care of the liver and my other troubles departing!

HinO, How sad to have a friend so young die of liver cancer.   :(  What an impression that's made.

Here is some more stuff I dug up:

http://www.liverfoundation.org/db/articles/1021

TROUBLE SIGNS...
Here are some signs of liver trouble. If you experience any of these symptoms, please contact your doctor:

36. Yellow discoloration of the skin or eyes.

37. Abdominal swelling or severe abdominal pain.

38. Prolonged itching of the skin.

39. Very dark urine or pale stools-, or the passage of bloody or tar-like stools.

40. Chronic fatigue, nausea or loss of appetite.

http://www.liverfoundation.org/db/articles/1037

Hi... I'm Your Liver!  Let me tell you how much I love you.   :-* :-* :-*

I store the iron reserves you need, as well as a lot of vitamins and other minerals.  Without me, you wouldn't have the strength to carry on!

I make bile to help digest your food.  Without me, you'd waste away to nothing.

I detoxify poisonous chemicals you give me, and that includes alcohol, beer, wine and drugs - prescribed and over-the-counter as well as illegal substances.
Without me, your "bad" habits would kill you.

I store energy, like a battery, by stockpiling sugar (carbohydrates, glucose and fat) until you need it.  Without me, the sugar level in your blood could fall dramatically and you'd go into a coma.

Let's face it! You couldn't have gotten out of bed this morning if I weren't on the job.

I make the blood that got your system going even before you were born.
Without me, you wouldn't be here!

I manufacture new proteins that your body needs to stay healthy and grow.
Without me, you wouldn't grow properly!

I remove poisons from the air, exhaust, smoke and chemicals you breathe.
Without me, you'd be poisoned by pollutants!

I make clotting factors that stop the bleeding when you nick yourself shaving or paring an apple.  Without me, you'd bleed to death!

I help defend you against the "germ warfare" going on in your body all the time. I take those cold germs, flu bugs and other germs you encounter, and knock 'em dead - or at least weaken them.  Without me, you'd be a sitting duck for every infection known to man.

That's how much I love you... but do you love me?  Let me tell you some easy ways to love your liver:

Don't drown me in beer, alcohol or wine!  Even one drink is too much for some people and could scar me for life.

Watch those drugs!   All drugs are chemicals, and when you mix them up without a doctor's advice you could create something poisonous that could damage me badly. I scar easily.. and those scars, called "cirrhosis" are permanent.  Medicine is sometimes necessary. But taking pills when they aren't necessary is a bad habit. All those chemicals can really hurt a liver.

Be careful with aerosol sprays!   Remember, I have to detoxify what you breathe in, too. So when you go on a cleaning binge with aerosol cleaners, make sure the room is ventilated, or wear a mask. That goes double for bug sprays, mildew sprays, paint sprays and all those other chemical sprays you use. Be careful what you breathe!

Watch what gets on your skin! Those insecticides you put on trees and shrubs not only kill bugs they can get to me right through your skin and destroy my cells, too. Remember they're all chemicals.  Cover your skin with gloves, long sleeves, a hat and mask everytime insecticides are in the air or if you're handling them.

I make the cholesterol your body needs, and I try to make the right amount.
Give me a break Eat a good, well balanced nourishing diet. If you eat the right stuff for me, I'll really do my stuff for you!

WARNING:
I can't, and won't, tell you I'm in trouble until I'm almost at the end of my rope... and yours.  Remember: I am a non-complainer. Overloading me with drugs, alcohol and other junk can destroy me! This may be the only warning you will ever get.  Take My Advice, Please!

Check me out with your doctor.  Blood screening tests can identify some trouble. So ask to be tested.  If I'm soft and smooth, that's good. If I'm hard and bumpy, that could mean trouble.  If your doctor suspects trouble, ULTRA SOUND and CAT scans can look into it.  Sometimes a needle biopsy is needed to find out how many scars you've given me. Nobody likes needles, so don't let me get into such bad shape.

My life, and yours, depends on how you treat me.

: Re: Liver Function
: oneblessedwoman February 19, 2007, 08:09:14 AM
My NP Dr. told me that my liver is now functioning at 100%, but last Sept. it was functioning at 36%. It was shut down! The cause, or shall we say the nail in the coffin, literally, was diflucan to try to get rid of a 6 month yeast infection. My OBYGN Dr. had me taking diflucan every other day and it killed all the good in my body and shut down my liver. My liver was already stressed from the yeast, which was caused by the chemicals toxicity, which was caused by earlier antibiotics of which was sulfur. Get the picture. God has made us so fearfully and wonderfully made. Everything is dependent on a domino effect.

My doctor had me taking diflucan for a couple weeks.  What were the symptomss that you had that there were problems with your liver.  What did you do to fix it?  I wonder if I should be doing something different.
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 19, 2007, 08:19:41 AM
I found a site called:  Liver Function Tests.
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/27000446/
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 19, 2007, 08:40:34 AM
TROUBLE SIGNS...
Here are some signs of liver trouble. If you experience anyof these symptoms, please contact your doctor:

36. Yellow discoloration of the skin or eyes.

37. Abdominal swelling or severe abdominal pain.

38. Prolonged itching of the skin.

39. Very dark urine or pale stools-, or the passage of bloody or tar-like stools.

40. Chronic fatigue, nausea or loss of appetite.

OK, my son had EVERY ONE of those symptoms last week. But now he seems to have evened out and gotten better. His skin is clearer than it has been in months. If these symptoms stop, would a trip to the doc :P still be prudent? I'd much rather deal with things myself.
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 08:41:48 AM
I'm really interested in this topic!  My dad's family has a terrible health history.  Almost all of his cousins (and him) have had to have their gall bladders removed.  A couple of them have major liver problems.  One of his cousins had to have a liver transplant.  They almost all have some type of digestive problem, like IBS and uclers.  I'm wondering what you can do repair the liver.  I'm planning on doing a liver flush.  And I've been drinking dandelion and milk thistle tea every now and then (but probably not often enough!).  With my kids having so many food allergies, I've also been giving them the "liver tea" every now and then.  My son has had the "tar poop" mentioned above.  And my other son is constantly itching all over.  But neither one of them are yellow or anything.  I thought about trying some enzymes on them.  Anyway, can't wait to see what other great info comes up!  ;D

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 09:15:12 AM
OK, my son had EVERY ONE of those symptoms last week. But now he seems to have evened out and gotten better. His skin is clearer than it has been in months. If these symptoms stop, would a trip to the doc :P still be prudent? I'd much rather deal with things myself.

If those symptoms stopped, I don't think I would visit the doc. 

I'm only keeping my appt. w/ a dermatologist b/c it was made 6 months ago and I'm curious to see what she says.  Heard good things about her.  She certainly studied more than I on this topic--I'm hoping she studied the right things--TRUTH!  :)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 09:28:22 AM
I'm really interested in this topic!  My dad's family has a terrible health history.  Almost all of his cousins (and him) have had to have their gall bladders removed.  A couple of them have major liver problems.  One of his cousins had to have a liver transplant.  They almost all have some type of digestive problem, like IBS and uclers.  I'm wondering what you can do repair the liver.  I'm planning on doing a liver flush.  And I've been drinking dandelion and milk thistle tea every now and then (but probably not often enough!).  With my kids having so many food allergies, I've also been giving them the "liver tea" every now and then.  My son has had the "tar poop" mentioned above.  And my other son is constantly itching all over.  But neither one of them are yellow or anything.  I thought about trying some enzymes on them.  Anyway, can't wait to see what other great info comes up!  ;D
abbilynn

WOW--what a history! I can see why you're interested in this.  I am, too...not so much b/c of the family history, but b/c I've exhausted my other options.  The liver seems like the origin of many problems.  Here's some more general stuff I found:

www.liverdoctor.com/Section2/07_liverdysfunction.asp
Liver Disease

The liver has everything to do with how we live, that’s why it is called the LIVEr. The state of your liver will have a huge bearing upon how well you live, how long you will live and how you will look and feel.

In today's world, the liver has to work harder than ever before, and all over the world we find that liver problems are increasing. Globally, one in every ten persons suffers with some type of liver, bile duct or gall bladder disease. Liver cancer is one of the most common cancers in men and has a poor outlook.

350 million people worldwide suffer from hepatitis B which kills more than 2 million annually. Hepatitis C is the most rapidly spreading infectious disease in many countries and is a time bomb waiting to explode. These problems are increasing, and thousands of people are waiting anxiously for liver transplants that many of them will never be lucky enough to receive. There are 25 million Americans with liver disease with thousands waiting for liver transplants. Unfortunately there are not nearly enough donor livers to meet the ever-increasing demand and so more than ever the message is that we need to take care of our livers from an early age. Thankfully nutritional medicine has been able to give many people with liver disease, from hepatitis B and C, to auto-immune disease, a healthy normally functioning liver. It is never too late as the liver has remarkable powers of healing and regeneration.

A number of diseases can affect the liver such as acute and chronic hepatitis, cirrhosis and tumors. The underlying causes of these disease states include viral infections like hepatitis A, B and C alcohol, drugs, metabolic disorders and immunological factors. Chronic liver disease passes through a long period of minimal vague symptoms until the final stages of jaundice and mental confusion appear.

Liver Dysfunction
This is different to liver disease in that the liver has not yet sustained permanent or sufficient damage to cause gross impairment of its vital functions. In those with a dysfunctional liver, the routine blood tests of liver function are generally normal. A dysfunctional liver is not working efficiently, and is overloaded, toxic or sluggish. Liver dysfunction is much more common than liver disease, and may be a forerunner to liver disease. In my experience of over 20 years of clinical medicine, I have found that approximately one in every three persons has a dysfunctional liver. Even if the level of dysfunction is only slight, it will still have a negative impact on your immune system and energy levels.

Many people suffer with the symptoms and signs of a dysfunctional liver for years, and yet the treating doctor or naturopath does not recognize the significance of these symptoms. The result is that the symptoms get treated while the underlying problem of an overloaded, toxic and inefficient liver is ignored or only partially treated. Inevitably, the patient’s symptoms deteriorate, and increasing doses of drugs such as antibiotics, anti-inflammatory medication, immune-suppressants, pain killers, cholesterol lowering drugs etc, are needed.

The full range of symptoms indicative of “dysfunctional liver syndrome” can only be defined after a study of Eastern and Western medical disciplines. Chinese doctors have long considered the liver to be the most important organ in the body and indeed they call the liver, the “General of the Army” of the body. I consider the liver to be the most strategic organ in the body, because by improving its function we are able to help many other body systems.
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 09:40:54 AM
Awesome link Yooper!  I found this there too.

http://www.liverdoctor.com/Section2/08_symptoms.asp

More great info.  ;D

abbilynn
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: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 09:43:12 AM
Oh shoot!  That link didn't work right.  It's the same thing you just posted!  I meant to put the link for the symptoms of liver dysfunction.  Sorry.  :-[ :-[  Well, you can just go to that link and look on the side for the place to find the symptoms.  I'm not so great at this "link" stuff! LOL

abbilynn



It's fixed now.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 09:48:38 AM
WhoooHoo abbilyn!  We're on a roll!   ;D   :o

My last one for now.... ;):

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NAH/is_7_35/ai_n6116715

The silent alarm: your liver filters the fallout from a toxic world, but symptoms of disease can stay dormant for decades. Here, the diet, supplements and proactive approach you need to keep this vital organ strong and healthy.  Natural Health,  July-August, 2004  by Michael Tennesen

There's such a thing as being too forgiving, especially when it comes to major body parts. The liver is the largest solid organ in the body; it's also, due to its lack of inner nerve endings, called the "silent organ." People can have chronic liver conditions for years without realizing it, says Caroline Riely, M.D., associate medical director of the American Liver Foundation. "Even patients with cirrhosis often have no symptoms at all."

But silence shouldn't breed complacence. "Without the liver, you can't live," says Leonard Seeff, M.D., senior scientist for hepatitis research at the National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Diseases. The liver makes proteins that regulate blood clotting, neutralizes toxins in the blood, produces immune agents to fight infection, generates bile to help digest fats, and stores glucose for when you need energy. "It's the metabolic factory of the entire body," says Seeff.

Can you strengthen your liver? Well, it's not a muscle; you can't go to a gym and do liver presses and liver curls.   :(  But a number of integrative practitioners believe that a polluted environment is a main cause of liver disease, and that it's important to assist the liver's functions by decreasing the toxins you put into your body.

You should eat organic foods "as much as possible," says Frank Lipman, M.D., founder and director of the Eleven Eleven Wellness Center in New York City and author of Total Renewal. "That way, you avoid pesticides and herbicides on vegetables and fruit, along with the hormones, steroids, and antibiotics that come with various animal products." He also recommends water filtration.

Certain foods apparently contain nutrients that support liver detoxification properties. Lipman encourages adding blueberries, cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, watercress, walnuts, and almonds to your diet, along with ginger, rosemary and garlic. Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D., author of Natural Prescriptions for Common Ailments, says that the best foods for the liver tend to be bitter, such as dandelion greens, chard and spinach. She encourages patients to eat fruits, vegetables and whole grains to get the proper vitamins and minerals, while reducing saturated fats and proteins from animal sources. Also, omega-3 fatty acids, found in oily fish, legumes and wheat germ, may help the liver process fats and reduce the production of triglycerides.

None for the road:

Consuming alcohol only in moderation is useful to protect a healthy liver, but reducing intake to bare to a bare mimimum--or, preferably, eliminating it altogether--is vital when the liver has been damaged by disease or abuse. Most medications are metabolized or eliminated by the liver, and some of them may cause liver injury in susceptible individuals. Avoid taking aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, and especially acetaminophen (the common pain reliever in Tylenol and numerous cold remedies) with alcohol. Muscle relaxants, antidepressants, cholesterol drugs and oral antibiotics may lead to abnormal liver-function tests, as can the herbs chaparral, coltsfoot, comfrey and kava. Even vitamin A can stress your liver's capabilities if you dramatically exceed the recommended daily value.
An injured liver stops manufacturing important proteins, such as those that prevent excessive bleeding, and it no longer metabolizes bilirubin, which builds up and leads to jaundice, a yellowing of the skin and eyes. With long-term damage, liver cells stop regenerating and are replaced by scarring and fat deposits. "That's cirrhosis," says Riely. "It's an end stage of liver disease, but it's not necessarily a death sentence." Yet as the condition worsens, the liver is deprived of blood, leading to liver failure and, potentially, liver cancer.

The United States is also seeing an increase in nonalcoholic steatohepatitis, or NASH, which is related to the rise in obesity. As fat builds up in the liver, it creates scar tissue and the cycle continues. "Liver disease, particularly the development of cirrhosis, is a dramatically increasing problem in markedly overweight persons," says Seeff.

An annual blood test may tell you if your liver is healthy. Elevated serum levels of the enzymes alanine and aspartate transaminase (ALT and AST) are an indication that something is wrong. Your doctor may then look for specific diseases; a panel of tests simultaneously screens for the hepatitis viruses.

http://www.hepnet.com/liver/dysfunction.html:

a. Skin. Some common skin signs of liver dysfunction are apparent even to the untrained eye, and many prompt the patient to seek medical attention.

Jaundice. Jaundice (yellow discoloration of the skin and whites of the eyes) is due to the deposition of excess bilirubin. It is also called icterus. As described previously, jaundice usually suggests hepatocellular damage or bile duct obstruction. Scratch marks on the skin suggest pruritus (itching), a symptom that often accompanies hyperbilirubinemia.

Spider angiomas. Spider angiomas are red tufts of fine blood vessels, which blanch with pressure, oriented in a spider pattern on the trunk, face, forearms, and hands. They are often present in patients with cirrhosis and are possibly due to increased levels of circulating estrogens (decreased clearance and breakdown by the liver).

Palmar erythema. This refers to reddening of the palms of the hands and finger tips; it is most frequently associated with alcoholic liver disease.

Edema. Edema is fluid accumulation, commonly in the subcutaneous tissues of the lower legs, due to salt and water retention in patients with cirrhosis.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 09:52:30 AM
Oh shoot!  That link didn't work right...I'm not so great at this "link" stuff! LOL abbilynn

That's OK! :D

You can modify your post, if you want to...instead of clicking the "reply", just hit "modify" and change it.  I do it ALL the time!  ;)
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 10:47:10 AM
Hey, thanks for the tip!  I did modify it.  :D

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 10:50:27 AM
Hey, thanks for the tip!  I did modify it.  :D abbilynn

Thanks!  I missed it initially but am reading now!  :)
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Hey!  That's worth quoting!   ;D

Symptoms associated with Liver Dysfunction
Abnormal Metabolism of Fats

Abnormalities in the level of fats in the blood stream, for example, elevated LDL cholesterol and reduced HDL cholesterol and elevated triglycerides. Arteries blocked with fat, leading to high blood pressure, heart attacks and strokes. Build up of fat in other body organs (fatty degeneration of organs). Lumps of fat in the skin (lipomas and other fatty tumours). Excessive weight gain, which may lead to obesity. Inability to lose weight even while dieting. Sluggish metabolism. Protuberant abdomen (pot belly).  Cellulite. Fatty liver. Roll of fat around the upper abdomen - (liver roll).

Digestive Problems
Indigestion. Reflux. Haemorrhoids. Gall stones and gall bladder disease. Intolerance to fatty foods. Intolerance to alcohol. Nausea and vomiting attacks. Abdominal bloating. Constipation. Irritable bowel syndrome. Pain over the liver - (upper right corner of abdomen & lower right rib cage).

Blood Sugar Problems
Craving for sugar. Hypoglycaemia and unstable blood sugar levels. Mature onset diabetes (Type II) is common in those with a fatty liver.

Nervous System
Depression. Mood changes such as anger and irritability. Metaphysically the liver is known as the “seat of anger”. Poor concentration and “foggy brain”. Overheating of the body, especially the face and torso. Recurrent headaches (including migraine) associated with nausea.

Immune Dysfunction
Allergies - sinus, hay fever, asthma, dermatitis, hives, etc. Multiple food and chemical sensitivities. Skin rashes and inflammations.  Increased risk of autoimmune diseases.  Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Fibromyalgia. Increase in recurrent viral, bacterial and parasitic infections.
External Signs

Coated tongue. Bad breath. Skin rashes. Itchy skin (pruritus).  Excessive sweating. Offensive body odor. Dark circles under the eyes. Yellow discoloration of the eyes. Red swollen itchy eyes (allergic eyes). Acne rosacea - (red pimples around the nose, cheeks and chin). Brownish spots and blemishes on the skin (liver spots). Red palms and soles which may also be itchy and inflamed. Flushed facial appearance or excessive facial blood vessels (capillaries/ veins).

Hormonal Imbalance
Intolerance to hormone replacement therapy or the contraceptive pill (eg. side effects).  Menopausal symptoms such as hot flushes may be more severe. Premenstrual syndrome may be more severe.

NOTE:
All of the above symptoms are common manifestations of a dysfunctional liver. However, they can also be due to other causes, of a more sinister nature, so, in all cases of persistent symptoms it is vital to see your doctor.
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 19, 2007, 01:04:58 PM
Alrighty, I'm going to be trying to answer these questions this week. I'll research and post them here in case you all already ran across the answers:

WHAT is that tarry black stuff in the poo? Is it something your body produces? Does it come from the liver? Is it abnormal, meaning will someone who has had tarry poo continue to produce it or was it a one time thing?

What is the relationship between the sugar cravings and the liver? Would it be GOOD to satisfy those with healthy fruits (raisins, grapes, etc)? My son is constantly begging for those right now. I think it has something to do with the blood glucose levels, but not sure exactly how.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 01:48:25 PM
I'm going to PM you some stuff I found about black tarry stool and blood sugar...not what I was hoping for, but maybe something will give you a lead.   :)
*************************************
Look at this!   :o
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/sugar-cravings.shtml:
Craving sweets is also often an indication of a lack of certain nutrients such as chromium, carbon, phosphorus, sulphur and tryptophan. Let's take a look at what foods you should be eating to make sure you get enough of these nutrients.

Chromium - eat broccoli, grapes, cheese, dried beans and chicken

Carbon - eat fresh fruit

Phosphorus - eat chicken, beef, liver, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy, nuts, legumes and grains

Sulphur - eat cranberries, horseradish, cruciferous vegetables, kale and cabbage  

Tryptophan - eat cheese, liver, lamb, raisins, sweet potato and spinach.

: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 19, 2007, 02:30:40 PM
I'm going to PM you some stuff I found about black tarry stool and blood sugar...not what I was hoping for, but maybe something will give you a lead.   :)

Hi YooperMama...I'm reading all this stuff you're posting and loving it!  Thanks so much.  Would you mind posting the stuff you found out about the blood sugar/liver if it's not a problem?  Thanks!  8) 8)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 02:34:44 PM
I'm going to PM you some stuff I found about black tarry stool and blood sugar...not what I was hoping for, but maybe something will give you a lead.   :)

Hi YooperMama...I'm reading all this stuff you're posting and loving it!  Thanks so much.  Would you mind posting the stuff you found out about the blood sugar/liver if it's not a problem?  Thanks!  8) 8)

No problem...I just found something exciting...see previous modified quote about sugar cravings!  Here's the blood sugar stuff I sent likemanywaters:

From the www.liverdoctor.com site:
Those with unstable blood sugar levels such as hypoglycemia. These people often have strong sugar cravings and great difficulty sticking to a long-term healthy diet. Unstable blood sugar levels are known as glucose intolerance and this is often a forerunner to Type 11 diabetes. Type 11 diabetes is often associated with obesity and a fatty liver.
 
Regarding blood sugar levels:
In those with fatty liver it is very common to have Syndrome X which causes high levels of insulin. The insulin excess results in instability of the blood sugar levels. To overcome fatigue and cravings for carbs, it is vital to stabilize the blood sugar levels.
 
Syndrome X
Many patients with a fatty liver have a chemical imbalance known as Syndrome X. This is a metabolic disorder associated with abnormally high blood levels of the hormone insulin. Insulin is produced by the pancreas and its role in the body is to transport blood sugar (glucose) into the muscle and fat cells where it can be burnt for energy. In those with Syndrome X, the insulin does not work effectively because the body's cells are resistant to it. To compensate for this, the pancreas produces more and more insulin so that abnormally high levels of insulin result. Insulin levels can be measured with a blood test.

High levels of insulin promote weight gain for 3 reasons –
• Insulin is a fat-storing hormone
• Insulin suppresses the production of fat-burning hormones in your body
• Insulin increases the appetite especially for sweets or carbohydrates as well as generally making you hungry.
High insulin levels are often associated with unstable or high blood sugar levels. You may even be pre-diabetic. Those with Syndrome X often have abnormalities in blood fat levels (cholesterol and triglycerides) and may have elevated levels of uric acid which can cause gout and kidney stones. Syndrome X significantly increases your risk of heart disease.

http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/?p=391
Getting rid of the carbohydrate addiction.

As a herbalist, I give herbs for the liver whenever somebody craves sweets. The craving is gone like [snap] that. Ladies usually get sugar cravings before menses, and that's a surefire sign that their sugar metabolism is out of balance; the imbalances just show up more strongly just before menses.

What liver herbs, you ask? Read my blog post about hot vs. cold liver, it's all outlined there.

It's difficult to do without carbohydrates at first; people who've been hooked on both simple carbs and one or the other recreational drug say that the carbs are worse to get rid of. Eat a spoonful of peanut butter whenever things get too bad, exercise, do the liver herbs, and take magnesium, chromium, and B6 (among others) every day for 10-14 days.

http://tamingthemonkeymind.com/writings/Nature%20Care%20Stuff/Nutrition/Nutrition%20-%20Protocol%20for%20Restrictive%20Diets.pdf,

has a great PDF file and page 7 has a Liver Supporting Diet listed.  A summary follows:

Health Conditions Helped by the LCD
Dr Cabot claims that this diet is able to improve the health of patients with such diverse health
problems as:

- obesity
- alcoholic liver damage
- severe allergies
- auto-immune diseases
- headaches
- chronic fatigue
- recurrent bowel infections
- Candida
- depression
- skin diseases
- arthritis
- chronic constipation
- irritable bowel syndrome
- ulcerative colitis
- Crohn’s disease
- Excessive exposure to insecticides and drugs

The Liver Cleansing Diet (LCD) is an eight-week eating plan in which 40% of the diet consist of raw fruits and vegetables, especially dark green leafy vegetables, and orange and red coloured fruits and vegetables. Dr Cabot believes that these contain living enzymes, natural antibiotics, chlorophyll,
carotenoids and bioflavonoids that will heal the liver and cleanse the bowel. In addition to legumes, grains, seeds and nuts, fish, seafood, and free-range chicken and eggs are also consumed for protein.  However, during the middle four weeks of the diet, there is an emphasis on vegetarian meals, and no chicken or egg yolks are allowed. Red meat and dairy products are also not eaten on the LCD. For snacks, raw juices consisting of carrot, celery, beetroot, apple, spinach and ginger are highly encouraged as these are considered healing and cleansing tonics for the liver. (Cabot 1996)

Sources of Foods to Avoid
- Red meats
- Dairy products: butter milk, cheese, cream, ice-cream, yogurt, chocolate
- Non-organic chicken and eggs
- Packet crisps, chips, salted pretzels, salted or roasted nuts
- Preserved meats
- Sweet biscuits, cakes, candies
Sources of Foods to Include
- Raw fruits and vegetables, especially dark green leafy vegetables, and orange and red coloured
fruits and vegetables.
- Legumes
- Grains
- Seeds and nuts
- Fish and seafood
- Free-range chicken and eggs

Sources of Foods to Avoid and their Substitutes(see the link...in chart form!)

Other links:
http://www.liverfoundation.org/
http://www.holistichealthtools.com/liver.html
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 19, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
Sulphur - eat cranberries, horseradish, cruciferous vegetables, kale and cabbage  

Ah HA! That must have been why he was begging for cranberry juice last week! Tonight I fed him asparagus for dinner, which has sulfur (so do onions & garlic).

The only things I could find about black tarry stools also said they were dried blood from higher in the GI tract, like the stomach. And could be caused by violent vomiting.
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 19, 2007, 03:06:18 PM


The only things I could find about black tarry stools also said they were dried blood from higher in the GI tract, like the stomach. And could be caused by violent vomiting.

I posted about my son's black tar-like stools in the children's constipation thread.  I took him to the doc's because I was worried about internal bleeding.  That is usually the first sign.  Turns out he was fine and they didn't know what it was from.  THANKS FOR NO HELP-DOCS!!  So, I made my son(thanks to Dara's recommendation) drink at least 4 oz of water after every meal(he also drank more during the day) and his stools are no longer tar like.  Just a suggestion. 
: Re: Liver Function
: daisey February 19, 2007, 03:22:55 PM
Hey
Thanks for all the info.    I have a poor family history of liver/gallbladder problems.   Both parents plus 3 of 4 children have had their gallbladders removed, including yours truely.    My Dad had liver cancer at the end of his life.   Actually that was colon cancer that had spread but considering my one brother died of colon cancer I guess that isn't very promising either.   Anyway, I have suffered with some of these symptoms since having my gallbladder removed 14 years ago.   

Guess my question would be this:  can you overload the liver when detoxifying?   I have been drinking Kombucha for awhile and seem to be having worse symptoms the last week or so.   I am wondering if the Kombucha may be causing to much detox therefore stressing the liver.

Any ideas?
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 03:27:17 PM
I just read something about that...if the liver detoxifies and the colon isn't cleared enough to move it out quickly enough, it can be reabsorbed and sent back to the liver. 

So, how regular are you?  :)
: Re: Liver Function
: daisey February 19, 2007, 03:31:36 PM
I just read something about that...if the liver detoxifies and the colon isn't cleared enough to move it out quickly enough, it can be reabsorbed and sent back to the liver. 

So, how regular are you?  :)

Quite~~ :)    Mostly I suffer from diarrhea which I know sometimes can be a sign of constipation but I am sure that isn't the case.   
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
Okay, Yooper.  All this talk about symptoms, let's talk about healing the liver!  :D ;)  What are you supposed to do if you think you have liver problems?  I know you can do the liver flush until there's no more stones and then eat really healthy.  Anything else?  ??? ::)

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 04:31:02 PM
Great point, abbilynn!   :D

I think some of the links previously noted had liver supporting diets...Sandra Cabot has a 8 week liver cleansing program...there are herbs and flushes....things to avoid...here are some more links:

Protocol for Healing the Liver:
http://frontline-hepatitis-awareness.com/liverprotocol.htm

MD's Herbal Program for Healing the Liver:
http://www.startthehealing.com/liver.html

Herbs for Health & Healing Liver Disease:
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/15/45.cfm

http://healing.about.com/od/paula_answers/f/detoxliver.htm

A liver detox is a complex subject and takes awhile to do. It's best not to detox for more than 10 days at one time. The body needs to rest and rebuild too.

One way is to begin with milk thistle herb. The brand I like the best is Eclectic Institute freeze dried Milk Thistle. It has a high vibration to it. You can take this herb for about a month or so. Because it not only detoxes, it builds.

Hot lemon juice and water the first thing in the morning also begins to clear toxins out of the liver. The lemon breaks up phlegm in the body. Lecithin is also another great healer for the liver and brain.

This is a good start. Also make sure you are drinking plenty of purified water during any detox program, exercise daily, and get at least 20 minutes of sunshine every day. Of course reduce all the foods that congest the liver.

and here's one more:
http://wqd.netwarriors.org/showthread.php?t=78

Healing your Liver

This list is from the book, Prescription for Nutritional Healing.
Recommendations:

Increase your consumption of foods high in potassium:
Almonds, Bananas, Raisins, Rice(Brown) and Wheat Bran.
Drink plenty of water
Avoid constipating foods, makes your liver work twice as hard.
Avoid coffee, fish, fowl, meat, salt, soft drinks, sugar, tea(ack, my fav drink)
and spicy or fried foods. and of course Alcohol.
Perform a 3 day juice fast once a month, to help cleanse the liver. Beet juice, Carrot juice, and water with Lemon. Green drinks as well
Avoid cod liver oil, do not take more than 10,000 iu's of vitamin A daily. Do not take more than 1,500 mls of niacin daily.
Eat a diet of 75% raw foods, if cirrhosis is severe eat only fresh vegetables and fruit the first 2 weeks.
Eat plenty of foods high in vitamin K...Green leafy vegetables and alfalfa sprouts
Include legumes(kidney beans, peas, soybeans and seeds) These foods contain arginine which helps detoxify ammonia, a by product of protine digestion.
Use cold pressed oils only, used uncooked oils only.
Limit your intake of fish. A damaged liver cannot handle the amount of vitamin A.
eat Haddock, Salmon and sardines not more than twice a week.
Do not eat virtually all commercially prepared foods.

Supplements:

CoQ10 60 mgs daily
Free form amino acid complex...easy on the liver
L-Cysteine and L-Methione 500 mg each daily. Take with vitamin b6 and C for better absorption.
Glutathione 100 mg daily before meals
Lecithin granules 1,200 daily before meals
desiccated liver and vitamin B12
Liv-R-Actin from Nature's Plus
MultiVitamin and Mineral complex with a Vitamin B complex 150 mg 3 times daily, and selenium 200 mcg dailyand zinc 30 mg daily.
Phosphatidyl Choline daily..prevents fatty buildup in liver
Vitamin C daily 5000mg divided doses neutralizes toxic substances
Vitamin E daily 600 IU protects the liver from damage
Milk Thistle daily helps maintain liver function Liv-R-Actin
extra b12 1,000mg 2 times daily
Folic acid 200 mcg daily.

This is from the section for Cirrhosis of the liver...(God forbid any of us are that far gone) But it is a good guide for ideas on what to take and eat during detox and beyond. Yikes I didn't know caffeine was so bad for the liver there goes my coffee
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 05:08:03 PM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil?  I thought that was supposed to be great for you.  In fact, I was about to order some for us and the kids (thought it might help their sensory issues and food allergies/gut problems).  But now I'm not sure.  ???  I mean, I don't know for sure they have liver problems, but sometimes I wonder, ya know.  They just seem too young to have problems like us adults.  What do you think?

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 19, 2007, 05:14:29 PM
YooperMama -- thanks!  That all makes sense with what I've been researching.  Everything is so tied together!  I take depakote, which is a hepatotoxin -- so I think that has made my liver sluggish. This leads to the Syndrome X, which is basically what results in insulin resistance.  The extra insulin helps create the hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance.  The added insulin also brings on PCOS, which also adds to the hormone problem.  Oh...and exta insulin causes weight gain...which is also hard to lose if the liver isn't functioning well.  The fatty liver makes blood sugar control difficult (esp. w/diabetes), and so it is very hard to do a yeast cleanse.  And the remaining yeast wreaks havoc, as we all know.  Everything encourages everything else!  Where to start?

Okay, Yooper.  All this talk about symptoms, let's talk about healing the liver!  :D ;)  What are you supposed to do if you think you have liver problems?  I know you can do the liver flush until there's no more stones and then eat really healthy.  Anything else?  ??? ::)

abbilynn

Silymarin!!!!  This stuff is amazing for the liver -- cleaning and rebuilding it!
I take a small amount of it right now.  I would take more, but my meds are metabolized through the liver and I think it would flush them out.  Anyway, I don't want to find out.  I am really excited, though, because for the first time in my life I have a doc who wants to get me off my epilepsy meds -- doesn't think I still have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

I think that Liver Cleansing Diet sounds like something I could do without any problems to kidney or meds in liver.  Thanks for all the info!
: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 19, 2007, 05:21:57 PM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil?  I thought that was supposed to be great for you.  abbilynn

Not sure, but maybe because an excess of vitamin A can cause liver damage and there's lots of vitamin A in cod liver oil.  So maybe if you already have damage, it's not good to risk the extra vitamin A?  Just a guess.    ??? :)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 05:23:52 PM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil?  abbilynn

I was wondering that, too...I hadn't seen that anywhere else.  
Katidid?
Likemanywaters?
: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 19, 2007, 05:25:07 PM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil?  abbilynn

I was wondering that, too...I hadn't seen that anywhere else.  
Katidid?
Likemanywaters?

Right above you.   ;) ;D ;D
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 19, 2007, 05:29:34 PM
YooperMama -- thanks!  That all makes sense with what I've been researching.  Everything is so tied together!  I take depakote, which is a hepatotoxin -- so I think that has made my liver sluggish. This leads to the Syndrome X, which is basically what results in insulin resistance.  The extra insulin helps create the hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance.  The added insulin also brings on PCOS, which also adds to the hormone problem.  Oh...and exta insulin causes weight gain...which is also hard to lose if the liver isn't functioning well.  The fatty liver makes blood sugar control difficult (esp. w/diabetes), and so it is very hard to do a yeast cleanse.  And the remaining yeast wreaks havoc, as we all know.  Everything encourages everything else!  

Silymarin!!!!  This stuff is amazing for the liver -- cleaning and rebuilding it!
I take a small amount of it right now.  I would take more, but my meds are metabolized through the liver and I think it would flush them out.  Anyway, I don't want to find out.  I am really excited, though, because for the first time in my life I have a doc who wants to get me off my epilepsy meds -- doesn't think I still have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

I think that Liver Cleansing Diet sounds like something I could do without any problems to kidney or meds in liver.  Thanks for all the info!

Good guess on the cod liver oil...that sounds vaguely familiar.

Your experience sounds like it all points to the liver...how it all ties together is amazing.  Is silymarin the same name for milk thistle? If so, that keeps coming up, over and over again.  

I'm glad you have a doc working to get you OFF of meds.  That seems unusual these days.  I think the Liver Cleansing Diet sounds attainable, too...after the Master Cleanse, that seems like  a piece of um, healthy cake-alternative!?  :D  I hope her book comes soon on interlibrary loan!

PS

You're too fast for me--you reply before I get the question out!   8)
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 20, 2007, 02:38:06 AM
Anything else?  ??? ::)


Before the days of WTM.......I had suffered from severe acne rosacea.  For those who aren't familiar with it, it isn't like teenage acne.  It reddens just your nose and your cheeks so it looks like you are perpetually sunburned. 
I did some research and believed that your skin was tied to your liver and decided to do some fasting and coffee enemas.  After a year of this(one fast and coffee enemas every three months), you couldn't see it, anymore.  I also drank dandelion and milk thistle tea on the fasts as well. 
So, this is my "liver healing" story.  Every once in awhile I start to see myself getting red in the face and I know it is time that I cleanse.  I truly am the type of person who needs to be drinking a liver aiding herb tea on a regular basis.  But........THEY TASTE SO GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :P

I couldn't do the liver flush because I am allergic to citrus fruits and the juice made my throat start to close.  :-\
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 02:45:27 AM
Anything else?  ??? ::)


I truly am the type of person who needs to be drinking a liver aiding herb tea on a regular basis.  But........THEY TASTE SO GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :P

I couldn't do the liver flush because I am allergic to citrus fruits and the juice made my throat start to close.  :-\

Hey, I know what you mean!!  They are pretty gross.  I usually mix mine with some other herbal tea to hide the taste, then drink it really fast! LOL  ;D :D  I've tried hiding it in everything for the kids and they always notice!!  I've tried homemade hot chocolate, smoothies, kombucha, and juice. 

That's a bummer about the citrus!  :-\  Is there any other type of juice, like vegetable, that you could mix the olive oil with? 

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 20, 2007, 02:46:13 AM
I truly am the type of person who needs to be drinking a liver aiding herb tea on a regular basis.  But........THEY TASTE SO GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

I couldn't do the liver flush because I am allergic to citrus fruits and the juice made my throat start to close.  


Thanks for sharing your liver success story, HinO!   :)

My PMS tea is good for liver...w/ maple syrup I really like it.  Is that a possibility?

I thought you could do the liver flush w/ apple juice or water?   ???
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 20, 2007, 02:47:44 AM


My PMS tea is good for liver...w/ maple syrup I really like it.  Is that a possibility?

I thought you could do the liver flush w/ apple juice or water?   ???

What is in your PMS tea?

REALLY?  Apple juice?  News to me!!  :D
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 02:54:24 AM
Hey, if you can do it with apple juice, would it be safe for kids to do?  Not that they would have STONES, but just junk.  What exactly do you do for the apple juice way?

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 20, 2007, 03:36:18 AM
See this link for the whole story...

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Here's the recipe:
Liver cleanse and gallbladder cleanse flush NO surgery

Ingredients

1/2 CupOlive Oil Extra Virgin  (= 1.25 dl)

1 Big grapefruit (2 small) (Or 3 lemons)

4 tablespoon EPSOM salts =  ( MgSO4 + 7H2O)

(EPSOM salts  = Magnesium Sulphate =  EPSOMITE = Magnesium Sulfate Heptahydrate)

3 cups water (=750 dl)

(P.S .!! 1 cup = 250 ml = 2.5 dl = 0.25 l )


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[Comment inserted by webmaster:

 You can substitute 3 cups water (=750 dl) (that is used in this recipe to dissolve Epsom salt) with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice . That way you will not feel unpleasant taste of Magnesium Sulphate
( = Magnesium Sulfate = Epsom salt = MgSO4 + 7H2O) ]

[If using lemon juice, do not blend juice with oil.
Drink little oil, little juice, from 2 differnt cups.


If you mix oil and juice, it may (it doesn't happens always) sligtly congell, and get a slimy consitence that is not easy to swallow.
It may become slimy.

It never happens with grapefruit juice!]

: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 20, 2007, 04:09:18 AM

Is silymarin the same name for milk thistle? If so, that keeps coming up, over and over again.  

Silymarin is actually the active ingredient in milk thistle.  I like to take just silymarin because I've read various places that Milk Thistle itself is not very water soluble, so it isn't very potent as a tea.  Not that it doesn't work!  HIO is proof of  that.   :D 

Here's a couple quotes I found about Silymarin:

Milk thistle contains a group of active compounds called silymarin, an antioxidant that destroys cell-damaging free radicals in the liver. Silymarin, as well as its most active compound silibinin, can counteract damage to the liver caused by viruses, alcohol, acetaminophen (Tylenol) and other medications, environmental and bacterial toxins, and poisonous mushrooms.

Since milk thistle is poorly absorbed, drinking it in a tea doesn’t work very well. Look for concentrated formulas extracted from the seeds of the plant. These standardized capsules contain 70-80% silymarin or silibinin which is quickly absorbed into the blood where it goes to work.

How To Make Tea:

Milk Thistle is unique in that you can not make a medicinal cup of tea out of milk thistle seed and water alone. Silymarin, the active ingredient in Milk Thistle, is alcohol soluble. What this means is that Milk Thistle is not extracted in water effectively. In our research alcohol based extracts are the most effective means of ingesting Milk Thistle. This is why our company was born. It is not effective for anyone to buy milk thistle seed in bulk for the use of making traditional herbal tea. We wanted to create a solution. So, if you want to make milk thistle tea, your best bet is to find a high quality extract. From here, 1) Heat up a cup of water to near boiling. 3) Add the extract to the water and now you have an effective cup of milk thistle tea to enjoy.

http://www.skyeherbals.com/materia_medica/milk_thistle.php

Also, it mentioned this about the effects of milk thistle and the skin:

Inflammation:

Milk Thistle is also a Demulcent, meaning that it soothes and moistens the mucus membranes, kidney and bladder irritations and inflammations in general. Being a demulcent, it also greatly softens and moistens the skin. Patients with skin problems ranging from acne to severe eczema have reported a clearing of skin impurities, healing of redness and inflammation, a dramatic softening and moistening of dry, cracking skin, and a noticeable glow and radiance to the skin quality.

It suggested that the best thing to do in order to get the most good from milk thistle is to drink it as tea (for the benefits of the milk thistle itself) and to also take an extract or capsule of syilymarin to get the best bioavailability of that active ingredient to the liver.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 20, 2007, 04:16:11 AM
Thanks, Katidid!  That was most helpful.   :-*
: Re: Liver Function
: healthybratt February 20, 2007, 05:35:25 AM
FYI:  Milk Thistle is also related to Ragweed, so if you have allergies to ragweed, you may also react to milk thistle.  I personally, am allergic to milk thistle.  Just a heads up.
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 20, 2007, 06:09:14 AM
FYI:  Milk Thistle is also related to Ragweed, so if you have allergies to ragweed, you may also react to milk thistle.  I personally, am allergic to milk thistle.  Just a heads up.

Really?  I have heard of the chamomile relation, but not milk thistle.  Nice to know, HB!!  ;)
: Re: Liver Function
: crystal February 20, 2007, 07:31:34 AM
So, does anyone know if taking ground up milk thistle seed in a capsule has any effect?
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 20, 2007, 07:37:44 AM
3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice .



Does freshly pressed apple juice mean it is juiced?  Also, it says not to do the liver flush until you have done a parasite cleanse and a kidney cleanse. 
: Re: Liver Function
: daisey February 20, 2007, 07:42:57 AM
Anything else?  ??? ::)

 
I did some research and believed that your skin was tied to your liver and decided to do some fasting and coffee enemas.  After a year of this(one fast and coffee enemas every three months), you couldn't see it, anymore.  I also drank dandelion and milk thistle tea on the fasts as well. 
So, this is my "liver healing" story. 

I couldn't do the liver flush because I am allergic to citrus fruits and the juice made my throat start to close.  :-\

healthyinOhio
can you be more specific about this fast.  I don't think my body could handle the master cleanse or a liver flush at this point.   I am looking for something that would cleanse a little slower and maybe over a longer period of time.
Thanks
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 07:43:33 AM
Does the MC count as a kidney cleanse?  I took YA for awhile, so that should've taken care of parasites.  I want to do the liver flush on day 7 of the MC (I'm on day 4) but not if it'll make me sick!  :P

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 20, 2007, 07:46:58 AM


healthyinOhio
can you be more specific about this fast.

Of course.  This is always my way of fasting.  I couldn't handle the master cleanse, either.  I got terribly ill.  I am not sure if it was a yeast detox or perhaps hypoglycemia.  This is what I do:

I eat raw fruits and veggies for 3 days up to 7 days.  Then, I do a juice/broth/liquid diet for 2 days up to 7 days.  Then I go back on raw foods for a few days.  On my liquid days is when I do my enemas.  The longer your fast the more dramatic the results.  Let me know if you need help with anything else!  ;)
: Re: Liver Function
: daisey February 20, 2007, 07:54:01 AM
thank you healthyinOhio
I will give this a try and let you know how it works for me.     I have the hypoglycemic issues too.    :-\
: Re: Liver Function
: crystal February 20, 2007, 08:08:57 AM
So, does anyone know if taking ground up milk thistle seed in a capsule has any effect?

bump
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 20, 2007, 11:20:22 AM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil?  abbilynn

I was wondering that, too...I hadn't seen that anywhere else.  
Katidid?
Likemanywaters?

I'm not sure if this is the right answer, but here's what I've read about Vitamin A.

Beta Carotene is converted to Vitamin A in the liver.

It wasn't vitamin A that induces liver toxicity per se but that 5000 IU to 10000IU per day could unmask a pre-existing liver condition.

Vitamin A as beta carotene, like in carrot juice & some multivitamins, your body can convert what it can use, & store what it can't in the skin.  In other words, you can't overdose on beta carotene. Now, the vitamin A in Cod Liver Oil isn't beta carotene...
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 22, 2007, 02:20:29 PM
I have "The Green Pharmacy" by James Duke and another book from the library while I wait for my liver book.  :)  I'll post some more stuff on what they talk about later...some new thoughts of different herbs...

I notice that my rash was itchiest about an hour after I ate. Weird.

It's improving for sure, and moles are drying up and falling off.   :P

I'm so glad naomismama told us about the eBay listing for DSS--20 # for $17 and free shipping!   :o
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 22, 2007, 05:40:06 PM
So, does anyone know if taking ground up milk thistle seed in a capsule has any effect?

bump

I think it does, but the more I experiment around the more I find the mouth "preps" the rest of the body for what's coming. I'm a fan of herbal teas & tinctures for this reason.
: Re: Liver Function
: makingchanges February 22, 2007, 05:56:20 PM
After I posted on Mon. I went to Dallas (3 hrs. away) to my NP Dr. who is a cell microbiologist.Then I have been behind and I had a reaction to the Vitamin K he gave me. My heart has been racing and I have been panicy. The Dr. took me off it today and now I feel like typing.

My Dr. studied in Europe and mainly in Germany. He uses sophisticated testing machines that he got from Germany. So you will need to go to him for the testing. I am so sorry. Mon. I took a friend of mine with me and she had 19% liver functioning.

My lack of liver function was quite complicated. First of all, he found that I had a sulfur problem from taking sulfa drugs like Bacterium. I will try to explain. Sulfa drugs are designed to kill single cell creatures. We all know they are suppose to only kill bacteria, but they are not near that intelligent and they attack all single cells. The DNA picks up on the message, "No more sulfur". We have to have sulfur. In fact it is a very common element for us to use to make amino acids. If you have sulfur intolerance then you will not make methorne (I'm trying to Dr. handwriting ;D). You need mehorne to make tryptopha, tyrosine, cysteine, glutamine,glutamic acid, glycine ,histidine, and 2 other amino acids I can't read. Then I was not able to use  B6, B12, Folic Acid,  PABA, C, E, Essential Fatty Acids, Mg, Zn. Co, Cu, Mo, Mn, and I because of this sulfa message. He said I was starving to death. This helped to shut down the liver. My liver is also spinning to the left. One of the laws of physics says that everything must spin to the right. He gave me Cyto-Rodoxin to correct the left spin and a sulfur homeopathy remedy from Germany to correct the sulfur intolerance. I fill so helpless to not tell others how to get this sulfur homeopathic remedy. I was also given a liver builder. Beeyoutiful sells Silymarin Liver Support which is vary similar to mine. I have been taking it for 6 months.

I was also strong to sugar and resistant to insulin. I read others comments  on this prob. with the liver. Katy-did quotes "my liver sluggish. This leads to the Syndrome X, which is basically what results in insulin resistance.  The extra insulin helps create the hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance.  The added insulin also brings on PCOS, which also adds to the hormone problem.  Oh...and extra insulin causes weight gain...which is also hard to lose if the liver isn't functioning well.  The fatty liver makes blood sugar control difficult (esp. w/diabetes), and so it is very hard to do a yeast cleanse.  And the remaining yeast wreaks havoc, as we all know.  Everything encourages everything else!"

These were ALL my problems. I went to him because I had a yeast infection for 6 months. As I said the difluican just made my livers functioning nose dive. I got very tired, yeast infection, sickness, hormone imbalance, etc. I felt terrible. My doctor said I would never get better until I took care of the sulfur problem. I plan on asking him in 2 weeks how someone could buy the sulfur remedy.

He has been giving me liver support as well as zinc. He said that if you have a bad liver you have copper toxicity (read up on symptoms) and you combat copper toxicity with zinc. I started with liquid zinc and moved to tablets. Then we started on different cleanse such as chemicals, heavy metals, and food additives. These were homeopathic remedies to clean my liver. I grew up on the Gulf Coast which is loaded with chemical factories every sq. mile.

I hope this helps. I will be gone tomorrow, but will answer questions later.

: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 22, 2007, 10:10:40 PM
I think it does, but the more I experiment around the more I find the mouth "preps" the rest of the body for what's coming. I'm a fan of herbal teas & tinctures for this reason.

I am reading and finding the same...that capsules really aren't the most effective way to take an herb or supplement....the salivary glands really are useful in ways I don't even begin to understand.

My Dr. studied in Europe and mainly in Germany. He uses sophisticated testing machines that he got from Germany. So you will need to go to him for the testing. I am so sorry. Mon. I took a friend of mine with me and she had 19% liver functioning.

My lack of liver function was quite complicated. First of all, he found that I had a sulfur problem from taking sulfa drugs like Bacterium. I will try to explain. Sulfa drugs are designed to kill single cell creatures. We all know they are suppose to only kill bacteria, but they are not near that intelligent and they attack all single cells. The DNA picks up on the message, "No more sulfur". We have to have sulfur. In fact it is a very common element for us to use to make amino acids. If you have sulfur intolerance then you will not make methorne (I'm trying to Dr. handwriting ;D). You need mehorne to make tryptopha, tyrosine, cysteine, glutamine,glutamic acid, glycine ,histidine, and 2 other amino acids I can't read. Then I was not able to use  B6, B12, Folic Acid,  PABA, C, E, Essential Fatty Acids, Mg, Zn. Co, Cu, Mo, Mn, and I because of this sulfa message. He said I was starving to death. This helped to shut down the liver. My liver is also spinning to the left. One of the laws of physics says that everything must spin to the right. He gave me Cyto-Rodoxin to correct the left spin and a sulfur homeopathy remedy from Germany to correct the sulfur intolerance. I fill so helpless to not tell others how to get this sulfur homeopathic remedy. I was also given a liver builder. Beeyoutiful sells Silymarin Liver Support which is vary similar to mine. I have been taking it for 6 months.

I was also strong to sugar and resistant to insulin. I read others comments  on this prob. with the liver. Katy-did quotes "my liver sluggish. This leads to the Syndrome X, which is basically what results in insulin resistance.  The extra insulin helps create the hormone imbalance and estrogen dominance.  The added insulin also brings on PCOS, which also adds to the hormone problem.  Oh...and extra insulin causes weight gain...which is also hard to lose if the liver isn't functioning well.  The fatty liver makes blood sugar control difficult (esp. w/diabetes), and so it is very hard to do a yeast cleanse.  And the remaining yeast wreaks havoc, as we all know.  Everything encourages everything else!"

These were ALL my problems. I went to him because I had a yeast infection for 6 months. As I said the difluican just made my livers functioning nose dive. I got very tired, yeast infection, sickness, hormone imbalance, etc. I felt terrible. My doctor said I would never get better until I took care of the sulfur problem. I plan on asking him in 2 weeks how someone could buy the sulfur remedy.

He has been giving me liver support as well as zinc. He said that if you have a bad liver you have copper toxicity (read up on symptoms) and you combat copper toxicity with zinc. I started with liquid zinc and moved to tablets. Then we started on different cleanse such as chemicals, heavy metals, and food additives. These were homeopathic remedies to clean my liver. I grew up on the Gulf Coast which is loaded with chemical factories every sq. mile.

I hope this helps. I will be gone tomorrow, but will answer questions later.

Thank you for sharing your experience!  It adds more pieces to the this puzzle we're trying to figure out, for sure.  It sounds like you have a very good doctor. 

Homeopathic sulphur has been mentioned before, I think, by likemanywaters...I think it's easily available, no?

The copper thing is interesting, too, b/c I remember reading awhile ago about a zinc deficiency really being more something to do w/ copper.  We live in the "Copper Country" of Upper Michigan.  I think there's something going on there w/ me, too.
: Re: Liver Function
: Amey February 23, 2007, 03:46:54 AM
I've been reading this thread with great interest. I so much appreciate everyone contributing to this thread...YooperMama, likemanywaters, makingchanges, kati-did, etc. You guys are great. I am being *educated*.  :-*  Same with the oil pulling thread. Lot's of good info. Just wanted to say thanks!
: Re: Liver Function
: T February 23, 2007, 04:26:36 AM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil? 

I wondered if any of you had heard anything like this...an acquaintance told me that cod was a bottom dwelling fish and since the liver cleans out your system, you are taking the nastiest goo out of the fish (the cod's liver) and putting it in you.  This actually makes some sense to me but some 'bad' things are good things in other circumstances.  She told me to take salmon oil instead.  Any insight on that from any of you?
: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 23, 2007, 05:12:37 AM
Hmmm...... I wonder why you should avoid cod liver oil? 

I wondered if any of you had heard anything like this...an acquaintance told me that cod was a bottom dwelling fish and since the liver cleans out your system, you are taking the nastiest goo out of the fish (the cod's liver) and putting it in you.  This actually makes some sense to me but some 'bad' things are good things in other circumstances.  She told me to take salmon oil instead.  Any insight on that from any of you?

I have heard this before and I don't think it's accurate.  Reputable manufacturers of cod liver oil have a thorough process of extracting that includes cleaning and testing for purity.  A lengthy outline of some of these processes are here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

I think that the main reason for the warning about cod liver oil for people with liver problems is because of the amount of vitamin A in it.   Vitamin A is stored in the liver, and if your liver isn't functioning well, this could result in a vitamin A toxicity (which could damage the liver further).  The great thing is that vitamin D protects your body from vitamin A toxicity, so Cod Liver Oil is a great way to make sure you're getting both at once, and avoiding toxictiy.   8)  Just make sure you're getting the CLO from a reputable company -- or call to find out how theirs is processed -- because some companies add synthetic vitamin A to their CLO, and that can cause serious toxicity!   Here is a quote from the Mercola site:

Due to the commonly heard warnings that too much vitamin A is toxic and can result in birth defects, liver abnormalities, and reduced bone mineral density -- many people are afraid of taking too much of this nutrient.

What is rarely addressed, and must be considered along with these warnings, is the TYPE of vitamin A. There is a big difference between synthetic vitamin A and vitamin A from natural sources. Most cases of vitamin A toxicity result from an excess intake of synthetic vitamin A in supplements, NOT the natural form of retinol (vitamin A) found in cod liver oil.

Because cod liver oil contains vitamin D there's no need to worry about vitamin A toxicity if you take it in cod liver oil. It is virtually impossible to become toxic on vitamin A if you take it along with vitamin D. As evidenced in a study published in the December 2003 American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vitamin D is associated with reduced vitamin A toxicity, and the vitamin D appears to protect against retinal toxicity.

http://www.mercola.com/forms/carlsons.htm

HTH!   :)
: Re: Liver Function
: abbilynn February 23, 2007, 05:17:10 AM
WOW!!  Thanks for that great info Kati*did!!  ;D ;D  That clears up some stuff for me.  ;)

abbilynn
: Re: Liver Function
: Kati*did February 23, 2007, 05:32:24 AM
WOW!!  Thanks for that great info Kati*did!!  ;D ;D  That clears up some stuff for me.  ;)

abbilynn

 :D :D
: Re: Liver Function
: T February 23, 2007, 05:37:21 AM
Helped me out, too!

Thanks
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 23, 2007, 12:28:47 PM
I saw the dermatologist today.  It went OK.   :-\

She gave credence to the DSS helping the skin...thought what I was doing was helping...suggested that my itchiness wasn't due to eczema but rather dry skin and recommended Vanicream?   ???  More research to do...
**********************************************************
Vanicream® Cleansing Bar
sodium cocoyl isethionate, stearic acid, sodium stearate, water, coconut acids, sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, paraffin wax, sodium cocoate, sodium isethionate, white petrolatum, cetearyl alcohol & ceteareth-20, titanium dioxide, sorbitol, propylene glycol, simethicone, glyceryl monostearate, polyethylene glycol monostearate, sorbic acid, and BHT.

OK. So I won't be using that!  :P

Have my Liver book by Cabot in hand..time to retire and read it!   ;)
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 24, 2007, 01:26:38 AM
 ::) Go figure.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 24, 2007, 05:15:32 AM
Yeah, I wasn't putting much stock in hearing her expound about how the liver relates to the skin.   ::)   ;)

The Liver Cleansing book by Dr. Sandra Cobot is answering a lot of my questions...not just about my skin troubles, but about the general health of my liver and how it is affecting so much...retaining weight...not processing fats properly...moods...etc.  She has an 8 week eating plan that looks very do-able...to help heal/cleanse/support the liver.    2 big components are eliminating red meats and dairy.  She recommends soy milk ( :P) and other imitation dairy....that surprised me.  I wonder what she'd say about untreated cow milk?  Anyway, I would give it up.   :)

I'll try and quote some stuff later.  The part about how the liver manages fat is interesting...especially in light of things like "Eat Fat, Lose Fat". 

The liver is so key to quality life!
: Intro to The Liver Cleansing Diet Book:
: YoopreMama February 25, 2007, 09:03:43 AM
OK....Here is an intro to the book:   :)

From The Liver Cleansing Diet (June 1996), by Dr. Sandra Cabot:
(Back cover):

Your Liver Check-up:
Do you suffer from:

Overweight, abdominal bloating, poor digestion, frequent fatigue, headaches, unpleasant moods, bad breath, coated tongue, irritable bowel syndrome, sluggish metabolism, overburdened immune system, excessive body heat, high cholesterol, gall bladder disease, fatty liver, allergies, high blood pressure, sugar cravings, intolerance to alcohol, excess alcohol intake, or inability to lose weight (I would add skin rashes, and dark circles under the eyes)?

If you answer YES to several of these questions, then your liver needs help.

Common ?s re: the liver diet:
1.  Can I do while PG? Yes, w/ Dr’s supervision (calcium, iron folic acid needing to be supplemented)
2.  Tea, coffee or alcohol on diet?  Yes, but restricted use (listed on inside cover).
3.  Can I stay on longer than 8 weeks to lose more weight?  Yes, stay on as long as you’d like.
4.  Can I follow this if I am diabetic?  Yes, w/ Dr’s supervision and by having regular snacks from our menu to prevent hypoglycemia.
5.  Do I need to take supplements while on the diet?  If female, calcium and iron are a good idea…(something covered up by a sticker).
6.  Once I finish the 8 weeks, can I add red meat to my diet?  Fresh & lean; 2-3x weekly.
7.  Will the diet help if I have liver disease?    Yes (fatty liver, hepatitis, cirrhosis & gall bladder disease).
8.  Does this book apply only to people who want to lose weight? No, this will not result in weight loss unless you are overweight, as it balances your metabolism.  Many sick people are underweight and by improving their liver function will increase their appetite and maintain or gain weight.  By improving the liver function the load upon the immune system is reduced, and many illnesses caused by inflammation or chronic infections will be gradually overcome.

Chapter One excerpt:
The liver is the supreme organ of metabolism...excessive weight is a symptom of liver dysfunction and not solely due to the number of calories you eat.  The liver is the major fat-burning organ in the body.  If you follow the LCD your metabolism will improve in leaps and bound and you will start to burn fat!  Conversely, if you eat the wrong foods, your liver will actually make MORE fat so that you keep on storing fat. 

Chapter 2 notables:
Problems that are caused by an imbalance in the immune system will always, & often dramatically improve w/ a diet that cleanses & improves the function of the liver.  The most common problems to manifest when the immune system is under siege are:

skin rashes, allergies such as hay fever, hives and asthma, autoimmune diseases, some types of arthritis, and the modern-day epidemic of chronic fatigue syndrome.

Orthodox medicine tends to focus on suppressing the symptoms of these diseases w/ drugs such as cortisone creams, tablets or inhalers, anti-inflammatory drugs, & immuno-suppressant drugs.  This may be necessary in acute severe cases, but in the long term such drugs may over burden the liver whose job it is to break down these drugs into harmless metabolites.  These drugs can sometimes CASUE liver disease.  This is a paradox b/c diseases of the immune system will be aggravated by anything that stresses or damages the liver...[b]So we can see that although the immune system protects our body from many dangers, it is the liver that protects the immune system from overload.[/b]

Next time we'll talk more about chronic fatigue syndrome, headaches, and women on HRT, and symptoms of an unhappy liver.   ;)

If interested in the book:

http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Liver-Cleansing-Diet_W0QQtgZinfoQQprZ498446 for about $8.

OR you can order her supplement, Livatone (which I'm ready to do--looks like it's $24 for 120 capsules?) and get the book from her web site: 

http://www.weightcontroldoctor.com/healthtopics/liverdiet/default.asp (synopsis),

and here's a deal where book + 120 Livatone capsules= $30 (S & H included):

http://www.weightcontroldoctor.com/shop/productDetail.asp?prodID=114

I wish I'd have done the 8 week diet before any major cleansing...a gentle way to start!   :)

: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters February 25, 2007, 09:22:02 AM
The Liver Cleansing book by Dr. Sandra Cobot is answering a lot of my questions...not just about my skin troubles, but about the general health of my liver and how it is affecting so much...retaining weight...not processing fats properly...moods...etc.  She has an 8 week eating plan that looks very do-able...to help heal/cleanse/support the liver.    2 big components are eliminating red meats and dairy.  She recommends soy milk ( :P) and other imitation dairy....that surprised me.  I wonder what she'd say about untreated cow milk?  Anyway, I would give it up.   :)

I'll try and quote some stuff later.  The part about how the liver manages fat is interesting...especially in light of things like "Eat Fat, Lose Fat".

I wasn't that impressed with her site, but it does have some useful info. on it. But I think it strange that she recommends cutting out red meats & dairy, and her other dietary recommendations. My son's skin has actually improved since switching him to mainly meats & dairy instead of mainly complex carbs.

I was thinking the other day, suppose a diet low in fats is what causes your liver to not release enough toxins?  If eating fat is what makes your liver squirt bile, then if you don't have enough fat in your diet, you won't be releasing bile as often.  I definitely don't understand everything about the liver, but just a thought...

In the Nourishing Traditions book, it says Hippocrates prescribed a raw milk diet for those patients with psoriasis.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 25, 2007, 09:46:12 AM
I wasn't that impressed with her site, but it does have some useful info. on it. But I think it strange that she recommends cutting out red meats & dairy, and her other dietary recommendations. That doesn't "feel" right to me. My son's skin has actually improved since switching him to mainly meats & dairy instead of mainly complex carbs.

I was thinking the other day, suppose a diet low in fats is what causes your liver to not release enough toxins?  If eating fat is what makes your liver squirt bile, then if you don't have enough fat in your diet, you won't be releasing bile as often.  I definitely don't understand everything about the liver, but just a thought...

In the Nourishing Traditions book, it says Hippocrates prescribed a raw milk diet for those patients with psoriasis.

I find her site hard to navigate, myself, but agree that there is some useful information there.  I hope to find other sources than her, but as of now, I haven't found anyone who has studied the liver...and given, that she is making money, one has to be careful/objective in evaluating her literature.

The milk thing leaves me unsettled, still.  AND, I'm not sure why she's not promoting good fats as much as say, the Nourishing Traditions, people....maybe after it's cleansed?  I agree, untreated milk is such of a medicine in itself (remember Clara in Heidi?)...and cultured milk products...yogurt, kefir, etc...I think we need LOTs of good fats...

I love this back and forth dialogue--it helps to keep me balanced.  :)
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In an article on her site re: the gallbladder http://www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp, she refers to this site:  www.notmilk.com  It looks BIZARRE!   :o  Here's their mission statement:

MISSION STATEMENT
The Dairy Education Board is a public information association that has been formed to let America know that cow's milk is not nature's perfect food for people.

We are breaking down the greatest myth in America:  that milk does a body good.  By establishing a stance against the dairy industry and the tens of billions of dollars spent in propaganda activities such as the milk mustache campaign, we will tell America the other side of the milk story.

This group has been established to put the discussion in perspective.  The dairy industry has invested an immense amount of money and Americans are still getting sick, breaking bones, getting cancer and osteoporosis.

The secret to the "Fountain of Youth" is giving up milk and dairy products.


?????????????????  That's a bunch of BUNK!   :P  Maybe she doesn't know about raw milk! 

She does say this about good fats and red meats:

Include health fats such as cold pressed nut and seed oils and foods rich in essential fats such as cold water fish, avocados etc. Good fats are important for the health of the gall bladder. An extremely low fat/no fat diet is NOT recommended.

Flaxseed Oil
Good quality essential fats are very important to keep the gall bladder in good working order. Low fat diets are not the way to go - It must be the 'right' fat diet. Flaxseed is an excellent, vegetarian source of essential fatty acids beneficial for damaged liver cell membranes and assists in reducing inflammation. Some people find the flaxseed oil capsules much easier to consume than the cold pressed flaxseed oil liquid.

We also recommend that you avoid red meat for about three months
(but no explanation why).

As always, it appears that we need to sort through what we read--keep the good and discard the bad.  Good thing we have the Holy Spirit (and friends like those at WTM) to help us discern truth!
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 26, 2007, 08:29:41 AM
I've noticed that my detox rash is concentrated on "fatty" areas of my body...places that are leaner, have little to no rash.  I guess there is something to that idea that fats store toxins!
: Re: Liver Function
: Pennie February 26, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
I've noticed that my detox rash is concentrated on "fatty" areas of my body...places that are leaner, have little to no rash.  I guess there is something to that idea that fats store toxins!
mmmmmmm, then I got losta toxins.  ::)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama February 28, 2007, 11:49:01 AM
Have some things from James Duke's Green Pharmacy:   :)

Liver Problems (p. 309)

"Milk thistle is my top-choice herb for all kinds of liver ailments, including everything from hepatitis (inflammation of the liver) to cirrhosis to Amanita mushroom poisoning.

Carrot has shown significant liver protection in laboratory animals in India.

Dandelion Being a diuretic, it helps flush excess water from the body.  And the roots have been used for centuries to treat jaundice, the yellowing of the skin that occurs as a result of a seriously malfunctioning liver.  The leaves & flowers can be steamed like spinach.

Indian almond is not so widely available here, but extracts have shown to prevent chemically induced liver damage in laboratory animals.

Milk Thistle has been used as a liver remedy for at least 2,000 years.  Research shows that compounds from the seeds can even regenerate liver cells that have been damaged.  Other studies show that the compound silymarin, which is found in milk thistle, helps protect the liver from many industrial toxins, such as carbon tetrachloride. 

Schisandra has strong liver-protecting properties...the seed contain more than a dozen liver-protective compounds. 

Tamarind is a chaser for alcoholic beverages in Latin America...it's supposed to prevent hangover. 

Chicory is related to milk thistle.  Some mice survived a toxic dose of acetaminophen w/ chicory extracts.  Makes a good caffeine-free coffee substitute.

Chinese angelica is also known as dang-quai.  It helps protect the liver apparently, by helping is use more oxygen. 

Javanese turmeric In Asian folklore, this herb has been highly regarded for conditions related to the liver, particularly gall stones and jaundice.

Licorice inhibits liver cell injury caused by many chemicals and is used in the treatment of cirrhosis and chronic hepatitis, esp. in Japan. Russian studies suggest an herbal combo of licorice, peppermint, rose, tansy, and stinging nettle to help stabilize liver cell membranes in experimental animals, thus protecting them from liver damage.

Bottle gourd is a great source of choline...a deficiency of this B vitamin has shown liver damage and is associated w/ the development of liver cancer. eat it as you would squash.  Other herbs high in choline include:  fenugreek leaves, shepherd's purse, horehound, ginseng, cowpeas, English peas, mung beans, sponge gourds, lentils, and Chinese angelica. 

Ginger contains 8 liver-protecting compounds.

Tea is clinically effective at treating acute infectious hepatitis.

Turmeric, often included in curries, contains several related compounds that protect the liver.


Liver Protecting Salad
When you make a salad, try adding young milk thistle leaves, carrots, and dandelion flowers.  Use ginger and turmeric in the dressing."
: Re: Liver Function
: savedbygrace March 01, 2007, 08:05:52 PM
Thanks so much for all the work you have done with this!! This is defiantly an area I need to look into deeper! The whites of my eyes get yellow when I am getting sick or when I am very tired. I know thats pretty bad huh? I lived a wicked life before I surrendered to Jesus. My liver paid the price. So what is the best thing to start with? A liver cleanse, a fast, herbs...?
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 02, 2007, 04:57:35 AM
Glad it's helpful for you!   :)

Where to start....before I knew this, I was trying to help my liver (skin troubles) w/ milk thistle, Red Clover Plus, burdock root, PMS teas (blood purifiers)...they helped lots.  They are all good.  I think beeyoutiful sells a liver supporting supplement...Livatone is one some have recommended. 

I have done a Master Cleanse and 1 Liver Flush...they helped a lot.  They were a bit intense, though.   :P  I've been reading about the 8 week liver cleansing diet and it seems more gentle and do-able.  About 40% raw...no dairy or red meat or pork...earlier in this thread, some liver supportive diets were noted...I would start changing my diet to be more like the ones suggested...I also am upping the good fats (coconut oil, avocado, flax seed, etc).

Lots of water!  Some Natural Therapies for Your Liver (Ch 6):
Psyllium, Taurine, Dandelion, St. Mary's thistle/milk thistle/Silybum marianum, globe artichoke, slippery elm bark.

Beets and carrots, lecithin,  alfalfa and barley leaf (chlorophyll).

Here's a link to a Healthy Grocery List for a Healthy Liver:
http://www.liverdoctor.com/newsletter/edition2.1/list.asp

I disagree w/ her milk philosophy, though.   :P

Hope that gives you some ideas...keep reading!   ;)

: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 02, 2007, 09:43:01 AM
Looks interesting!

From Autoimmune disease-cirrhosis of the liver:
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 11:05:41 PM » by patti

I just thought of one other mild cleansing thing I do that works very well and makes me feel great.  I do castor oil packs over my liver.  You can take undyed flannel and fold very thick into a large square/rectangle shape (about 12x12 when folded).  Place in a glass casserole dish.  Pour castor oil over the flannel.  Micro (yeah, I know) for about 1 min. or until it's good and warm.  Place a large towel down on a bed, floor, whatever and lay on top of it with the towel being sideways.  Place the flannel (I just carry my dish to my bedroom) over your liver (right below the right breast to the side flank of the body).  Place a large piece of plastic wrap over the flannel and cover it with another towel.  Put a heating pad over the towel (so it doesn't touch the plastic) on med. heat.  Relax for about 1/2 hr to 45 minutes.  When you're done you can remove the flannel and store it in the glass dish with a lid in the fridge.  DO NOT WASH.  When you're done just toss it out, you'll never get it clean.  I reused mine many many times.  Do label it carefully.  I labeled mine "castor oil flannel" and my husband only read the "cas" part and decided it must be a casserole.     

This method of cleansing is gentle on the liver.  The heat helps the body soak up the castor oil which goes into the liver and helps to cleanse it.  It's one of the few cleansing things that didn't cause me pain in my bladder. 

Patti
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 02, 2007, 01:11:08 PM
Some teas that would help:

LIVER CLEANSER
(Decoction)
1 part dandelion root, roasted
1 part burdock root
1 part chicory root, roasted
1/4 part ginger, dry
1/4 part milk thistle seeds, crushed
1/4 part flaxseeds, crushed
Mix. Boil. Sweeten if necessary. Drink.

SPRING CLEANING
(Infusion)
2 parts red clover blossoms
1/4 part olive leaf
1 part nettles
1/2 part chickweed
1/4 part fenugreek
1/4 fennel seed
1/4 part licorice
Mix. Boil. Sweeten if necessary. Drink.

http://earthnotes.tripod.com/ckbk_l.htm
LIVER
Any problems of the liver must be attended by a medical professional. The most important herb to assist and help heal the liver is Milk thistle.

Dandelion is also a good liver herb.

LIVER PROBLEMS
Combine ¼ oz chicory flowers, ¼ oz sweet woodruff, ½ oz dandelion root, ½ oz speedwell. Use 1 tsp in ½ cup boiling hot water, steeped 8 minutes. Take 1 cup daily in mouthful doses.

Combine 1¼ oz restharrow root, ¼ oz alder buckthorn bark, 1¼ oz yellow gentian root, 2 oz peppermint. Use 1 tsp in ½ cup boiling hot water steeped 8 minutes. Take 1 cup daily in mouthful doses.

Keep on hand a tea made to your own taste that is composed of any combination of dandelion, chicory, licorice, turmeric, ginger, anise, caraway, celery seed, dill, clove, fennel, mint, rosemary and vanilla beans (for taste). Obviously, not all are used, but some of them according to personal taste. Use 1 tsp per cup of boiling water, steeped 7 minutes and take 1 cup daily.

Drink dandelion tea daily.

Combine ½ oz juniper berries, 1 oz dandelion root, ¼ oz marshmallow root, ¼ oz ginger root. Simmer herbs in 1 pint of water for 10 minutes, then cool and strain. Take ½ cup 3 times daily.

CIRRHOSIS of the LIVER
You will need tinctures of the following herbs Milk thistle
Vervain
Balmony
Fringe tree bark

Combine 2 tsp milk thistle tincture, 1 tsp vervain tincture, 1 tsp balmony tincture, 1 tsp fringe tree bark tincture to create a compounded tincture. Take 1/2 tsp 3 times a day and gradually build up to taking 1 tsp 3 times a day.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 06, 2007, 07:28:03 PM
My liver teas are really helping!  :)  Yellowdock root is so gross, but I'm drinking it!   :P

From the kefir thread:

http://bodyecology.com/coconutkefir.php


What People Say About Coconut Water Kefir
It completely stops your cravings for sugar. Imagine the benefits of that!

It aids digestion of all foods

It has a tonifying affect on the intestines, even flattening the abdomen!

It appears to cleanse the liver. In Chinese medicine the liver rules the skin, eyes, and joints. Coconut water kefir eases aches and joint pains. Many people report having a prettier complexion. They experience the brown liver spots on the skin fading away and skin tags, moles, or warts drying up and disappearing. Vision also improves.

It contains high levels of valuable minerals, including potassium, natural sodium, calcium, and magnesium, which explains why the hair, skin and nails become stronger and have a prettier shine.

It appears to have a beneficial, cleansing effect on the endocrine system (adrenals, thyroid, pituitary, ovaries). Women find that their periods are cleaner and healthier; some who had experienced early menopause have found this important monthly cleansing returning again.

It increases energy and gives you an overall feeling of good health.
: Re: Liver Function
: momofskc March 08, 2007, 09:48:03 AM
I've read this whole thread and several of the other threads pertaining to liver.  Everyone has been so helpful. ;D I have been having for about 3 days tenderness in my gallbladder/liver area.  Even laying my arm across the area is uncomfortable.  I've been having some weird symptoms lately.  I think the brain fog and all of the hormone related problems apply to me.  Don't get me wrong my brain has been feeling foggy for years :D but it just seems to be worse now.  I think that with the help of all of you on WTM I have a better grasp on what I need to do.  I have to admit to being quite worried about this but all of you are helping me put this in perspective and giving me a plan of action. 

I think my liver problems stem mainly from being overweight and having a pretty high refined sugar diet.  Sometimes I am able to see an alternative med doc and he had told me last time that my pancreas was pretty hard and I needed to cut out all sugars.  I did that for awhile  :-[ but once I felt better I went back to old habits.  I've never been a drinker of any kind so I know I can feel ok about that.  But I think I have really abused my organs in other ways like being overweight.  I've weighed the same for about 15-16 years until about a year ago when I seemed to gain about 40 lbs for no reason.  I thought it was just my age. I'm 38. But now I see all of these other symptoms and it's all fitting together. 

Sorry this is so long.  I'm new to posting and I guess I needed to vent.
Thank you all for the help you give to everyone.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 09, 2007, 06:11:27 AM
Just checking in... ;)

I think the liver teas are helping...however I am tiring of this lengthy rash that I'm attributing to detox.  So...I'm going to take a break on the herbs/teas, etc. and back off on grains for a week or so (good discussion on that helping her son's skin by likemanywaters).  I'm upping my good fats (coconut, avocado) and eating lots of fruits and veggies.  The chamomile oil and dead sea salts still aid w/ the itching.  Need to jump over to the thread on coconut oil sales and get the real thing...

Here is some more from the Liver Cleansing Diet book...where were we?   :)

Ch 2 Who can Benefit from the LCD?

The vast majority of people w/ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome will get a big improvement after 8 weeks on the LCD b/c if the liver is constantly overworked, the general energy level in the body is drained.

Acetaminophen, if taken for long periods or in high doses is particularly toxic to the liver.  Not many people realize that chronic headaches can usually be reduced by cleansing the liver, although Chinese doctors have long known of this association. 

Women on HRT often experience weight gain and/or side effects because the HRT places an extra burden on the liver.  HRT induces the liver to make more proteins such as sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) & increased clotting factors.  The liver must also work harder to break down the hormones in HRT & some types of synthetic progesterone can cause increased cholesterol. Oral forms are more likely to stress the liver; estrogen & progesterone patches are much easier on the liver. 

Chapter 3:  Symptoms of an Unhappy Liver:

The signs of liver dysfunction vary tremendously, from very subtle symptoms to major incapacitating symptoms. In the very early stages of liver disease there are often no obvious symptoms & the problem is often discovered by accident on a routine blood test when liver enzymes are found to be elevated.

The tests that doctors use are not very sensitive--they check for damage rather than function.  Often the 1st biochemical sign of liver dysfunction is raised levels of blood fats, giving readings of fasting cholesterol > 212 mg/dl and triglycerides > 177 mg/dl.

Common Symptoms of Mild Liver Dysfunction:

Poor digestion, abdominal bloating, nausea (esp. after fatty foods), weight gain around the abdomen,and constipation.  Irritable bowel syndrome is often due to a sluggish liver.

Bad breath/coated tongue in the morning...unpleasant mood changes, depression, "foggy" brain (due to excessive amounts of metabolites finding their way into the blood stream).

Poor liver function can trigger or exacerbate allergic conditions such as hay fever, hives, skin rashes, & asthma. Auto-immune disorders are also linked to liver toxicity.

Headaches, hypoglycemia or unstable blood sugar levels.

Inability to tolerate fatty foods, gallbladder disease/gallstones, chronic fatigue syndrome,excessive body heat (sweating body odor), & decreased tolerance to alcohol.

Next time we'll look at the perspective of Chinese doctors.   ;)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 09, 2007, 01:39:05 PM
OK...onto the Chinese:   ;D

In traditional Chinese medicine, the liver is considered to be an extremely important organ. They call the liver the "general of the army", in charge of the body's strategy and harmony. 


They refer to some phrase, "He is a bit liverish today." [am I dating myself by not knowing this?]   ::) :D  ...meaning to stay away from this person--they are in a very bad mood!   >:(

Many cases of depression could be treated w/ a Liver-Cleansing Diet & liver herbs, enabling the gradual withdrawl of anti-depressant medication. According to the Chinese, a stagnant liver results in "fermenting & heat" which causes "fire to rise" leading to agitation, poor sleep, dizziness, headaches & anger.  The Chinese call this "gan ho".  The English "gung-ho" comes from this and describes someone who is too pushy & hyped up. Chances are their liver is on fire b/c it is full of toxins. 


The Chinese always treat excessive weight conditions by helping liver function...they also attribute poor nails & muscle & tendon stiffness to liver weakness.  They also assess the state of the liver from the patient's eyes w/ dry, red & itching eyes being caused from excessive heat to the liver. 


I'm learning this so much better having to type it out!  ;D  Next Chapter (4) is on Liver Physiology & Function... :o
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters March 09, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
... They also assess the state of the liver from the patient's eyes w/ dry, red & itching eyes being caused from excessive heat to the liver.

My son has had that... At certain times his eyes are dry and itchy.
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 10, 2007, 12:49:18 AM
Saw this on the liver flush page, I think...looks interesting...

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/liver.html
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters March 10, 2007, 03:52:00 AM
Thought this info would go well here too:

Here is my trail of puzzle pieces from Shonda Parker's "The Naturally Healthy Pregnancy":

The liver is responsible for the regulation and release of hormones in the blood, maintaining blood sugar (glucose) levels and detoxifying the blood of toxins...

The pancreas is an exocrine gland (exocrine glands secrete into the intestine, not the blood) that broduces insulin, which is a glucose-regulating hormone. Its function depends largely on the liver (liver functions poorly, pancreas functions poorly)... Glucose in foods is a fuel immediately available for use in the body. Excess glucose is converted to glycogen and stored in the liver until needed; then it is converted back to glucose for use...Too many refined carbohydrates place a greater demand on the pancreas. The pancreas then overproduces insulin to control the up/down blood sugar variations. Blood sugar rises; the pancreas produces an insulin surge. This creates a hypoglycemic reaction/abuse syndrome. Abusing the pancreas in this way can and does produce diabetes if the pancreas is weakened by the up/down bariations, family history, alcohol, smoking, stress, obesity and/or lack of exercise...

Circulating hormones...cause muscles all over the body to relax. These relaxed muscles include those in the digestive and intestinal system. This means that foods are not processed or digested as quickly as before pregnancy. Bile discharge is sluggish which increases the risk of gallstone formation...This longer elimination time increases the likelihood of constipaiton and reabsorption of toxic waste from the intestines back into the bloodstream.

Cholesterol...HDL transports cholesterol to the liver for metabolism and excretion... Saturated fats...tell the liver to produce more cholesterol. Unsaturated fats tell the liver to produce less...Fiber absorbs bile which contains cholesterol and moves it along the intestines for excretion. Lack of fiber means the bile and cholesterol will be reabsorbed.

Those people with eczema and psoriasis appear to have an essential fatty acid (EFA) deficiency...Zinc is important in fatty acid metabolism in which eczema and psoriasis sufferers are deficient...recommended for psoriasis is milk thistle extract which improves liver function.

Gallstones are formed...when the bile crystallizes into hard pellets that can be as small as grains of sand or as big as an inch in diameter...sometimes when the gallbladder contracts to release bile, a stone or stones are forced out and plug the opening of the duct leading to the liver and small intestine...pain that may radiate from the upper right chest...Nausea and vomiting sometimes accompany the painful attack.

Hypoglycemia is often called "low blood sugar." It is caused by faulty carbohydrate metabolism. The pancreas causes too much insulin to be released in response to the ingestion of simple sugars or refined carbohydrates... These simple sugars enter the bloodstream quickly...and overwhelm the body system with glucose. The pancreas responds by releasing too much insulin which causes a dive in blood sugar levels. The adrenal glands then release epinephrine (adrenaline)...The liver then releases storged glycogen (sugar) to regulate blood sugar and insulin levels.
As the entire body becomes nutrient depleted, cravings for sugar and/or fruit are common. This is an attempt to keep up glucose levels. A cycle of up-down blood sugar fluctuations ensues. This physiologic process designed to protect us in emergencies, if abused by regular ingestion of refined carbohydrates, can lead to a "wearing-out" of the pancreas, adrenals and liver.

...Though not technically part of the canal itself, the liver, gall bladder and pancreas are crucial to digestion. The liver produces bile, which emulsifies fats and aids peristalsis. Bile is stored in the gall bladder, which contracts and secretes the bile into the small intestine. The pancreas produces three important digestive enzymes: amylase, which helps digests starch; lipase, which takes part in the absorption of fat; and protease, which breaks down protein...
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 10, 2007, 03:55:33 AM
Yes, THANK YOU!
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 10, 2007, 10:58:30 AM
More from Liver Cleansing Diet...

Ch 4 on the Liver’s Physiology & Function mostly repeats what has already been posted.

Ch 5, though, discusses 12 vital principles to improving liver function.  Here they are, briefly summarized. 

1.  Listen to your body—don’t eat if you’re not hungry; conversely, don’t put up w/ hunger pains. Eating when not hungry works your liver too hard.

2.  Drink @ least 8-12 glasses of filtered water daily
, as this helps to cleanse the liver & kidneys & aids w/ weight loss.  Your body requires small & frequent sips of water otherwise your cells shrink w/ dehydration & their membranes dry out. 

3.  Avoid eating large amounts of sugar, especially refined sugars, as the liver will convert this to fat.  Avoid all artificial sweeteners, as these are toxic to the liver & cause hypoglycemia & fatigue.  Try carob (healthy chocolate alternative), halvah, dried fruits & buts, natural licorice sticks, fruit sorbet….occasionally.

4.  Don’t become obsessed w/ counting calories, as the menu plans are nutritionally balanced & contain sufficient calories for the average moderately active adult.  Ignore the scales, as weight loss will occur w/ the improvement of liver function over time. 

5.  Avoid foods that you may be allergic to or that you know from past experience have upset you. Try digestive enzyme tablets/powders at the beginning of the meal.  Start your meal w/ something raw or a small glass of water w/ 1t. of apple cider vinegar (raw).  Chew food slowly & thoroughly, as digestion begins w/ saliva mixed w/ food in the mouth.  The most common foods to cause intestinal irritation & irritable bowel syndrome are wheat & dairy products…due to reactive proteins as well as gluten & lactose.  Don’t overdose on coffee, as excessive amounts are toxic to the liver. 

6.  Be aware of good intestinal hygiene, as the liver must filter out & destroy any bacteria& viruses present in our food.  Eat only foods that are fresh & avoid the regular reheating of food as bacteria breed in stored, cooked foods, especially meat.  Never reheat food more than once.  Always wash your hands before eating.

7.  Do not eat if you feel stressed or anxious, as during these states your blood flow is diverted away from the intestines & liver to other area of the body.  Eating at these times will lead to abdominal bloating & poor digestion.

8.  Check if organically grown fresh produce free of pesticides is available in your area.  Your local health store will know & you can often have these things home delivered (where does she live?)  ??? from a food co-operative. Ask your butcher is organically reared products are available & always buy free-range eggs & chickens.  These types of products contain less pesticides, hormones, antibiotics & saturated fats.  Avoid processed foods containing artificial chemicals such as preservatives, colorings, flavorings & artificial sweeteners.

9.  Obtain your protein from diverse sources (including legumes or pulses), not just from animal products such as meat, eggs & fish. You can obtain first-class protein by combining any3 of the 4 following foods—grains, nuts, seed & legumes, at one meal.  Grains are wheat, buckwheat, rice, barley, oats, rye, millet, spelt, kamut, quinoa, amaranth & others…Legumes are beans such as soya, adzuki, butter, lima, kidney, peas, chickpeas, & lentils. Recipe follows for boosting fatty acids & protein:

I just discovered a ground nut/seed blend that's great in many places...smoothies, peanut butter sandwiches, sprinkled on fruit salads, veggie salad, hot cereal, pasta, etc.

From The Liver Cleansing Diet (Sandra Cabot):

3 cups Flax Seed
2 cups Sunflower Seeds
1 cup Almonds

Grind and store in dark container in refrigerator.  I halved it and it filled my peanut butter jar.  Good source of protein, essential fatty acids, minerals, fiber, and is definitely and anti-ageing mixture.  

10.  Choose your breads & spreads wisely.  Try avocado, hummus or tahini as an alternative spread on breads.  (I’m not going into her diatribe on what kinds of breads to buy—you all know what is good!)

11.  Avoid constipation by eating PLENTY of raw fruits & vegetables & drinking water throughout the day.  Look into acidophilus & lactobacilli bacteria…making your own yogurt, kefir, fermented foods, etc.  If you have heartburn, dyspepsia, reflux or indigestion, try aloe vera juice, chamomile, meadowsweet, golden seal, peppermint & slippery elm.

12.  Avoid excessive saturated or damaged fats as these will harm your liver if you eat them regularly. [But eat the healthy fats!]  Signs of essential fatty acid deficiency are: dry and itchy skin, eczema, hair loss, joint pains, reduced fertility, increased rate of miscarriage, depression & poor memory, slow metabolic rate w/ weight gain, reduced immune function, hormonal imbalances, liver degeneration, fatigue, circulatory problems, degenerative diseases, increased rate of ageing & high triglycerides. The liver is the supreme fat-burning organ of the body, if you choke it w/ damaged  fats, it will be unable to perform its metabolic functions & your entire metabolism will slow down.  As a result you will gain weight easily particularly around the abdominal area.  The liver takes excessive dietary fat & turns it into cholesterol which it then turns into bile which is pumped out of your body through the intestines.  Provided your diet is high in fiber, this excess fat will pass thru you via your bowel movements.  Thus, in a simplistic way, we could say that a healthy liver pumps fat out of your body and thus keeps you slim.  The LCD stimulates this fat eliminating process& makes it much easier to lose those stubborn fat deposits, even in people who have been overweight for years.  A healthy liver also manufactures a specialized coating for fat called lipoprotein which enables fat to travel around in the blood stream.  If your liver cannot do this efficiently, fat builds up in the liver causing a “fatty liver” & once this occurs it becomes increasingly difficult to lose weight.


There's more on fats, oils and cholesterol...then some natural therapies for the liver.   :)
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio March 10, 2007, 03:11:59 PM
I have a comment on the previous post of:

"Don't eat if you're not hungry"

I am always never hungry.  I honestly eat out of habit.  If I ate because of hunger then I would probably eat a couple handfulls of something.  That can't be healthy, can it?
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 12, 2007, 09:33:41 AM
I read so much about cod liver oil and skin...time to insert this thread on it:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,309.90.html (HB endorsed)   ;)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 15, 2007, 12:05:54 AM
Hey!  ;D This looks messed up!  That last post look like it's from me, but I think HB did it. Heeeyyy....are you setting me up, here? ;)  I don't see my reply to HinO? Hmmm.... ???

I just started beet (eat lots of beets and carrots, remember) kvass and I don't know if that's what helped, but it really was all that I did differently...and my skin made exponential progress overnight.   

I am truly stunned.  :o

Other possibilities...maybe all of my good fats caught up and/or my liver is done detoxing for a bit? Maybe my bowels cleared, too...I don't know, but I really recommend you check out the beet kvass thread

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=2283.msg64199;topicseen#new

and now a new one, cabbage juice
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=5972.msg64197;topicseen#new

...great for skin disorders/digestive troubles...simple stuff to make...
**********************************************
P.S.
Re: the skin...I also must add that I changed my bed's flannel sheets to cotton (warming u.p. here! ), and that helped me not to sweat so much at night. Sweating, I think, brings out toxins (think "sauna"), and maybe that's why I itched so much.  I've also added kefir to the regiment.

HinO,   :)
Re: never being hungry...what happens if you wake up and don't eat for awhile (no juice, just water)?  I recall you saying something before about your blood sugar.  Do you keep some kind of sugar going throughout the day?  That's curious.  I know somechildren are "never" hungry b/c they have juice all day.  When I did the Weigh Down Workshop years ago, we had to wait until hunger hit...sometimes it took people longer than 24 hours to find true hunger!  :o
: Re: Liver Function
: healthybratt March 15, 2007, 07:42:34 PM
I read so much about cod liver oil and skin...time to insert this thread on it:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,309.90.html (HB endorsed)   ;)

Where's my contract and how much do I get paid? ;D

(better?  must have been sleeping, when I did that - weird ???)
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama March 16, 2007, 02:26:57 AM
You are too funny! :D  We enjoy the line-dancing superheroes--my children, especially,  love your graphics!   ;D
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio March 16, 2007, 03:11:42 AM


HinO,   :)
Re: never being hungry...what happens if you wake up and don't eat for awhile (no juice, just water)?  I recall you saying something before about your blood sugar.

Oops, just now saw this!!  Um....I do eat, but I am really never hungry.  I don't know how it would affect my blood sugar.  Think it would make it worse?  If I ate only when hungry, then I would wake up in the morning and eat a meal at 11 am and wouldn't be hungry until 8pm.  That can't be good, but then I wouldn't be overloading my liver with excess food; which I feel I do. 
TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT  that is my question?!  ;D
: Re: Liver Function
: Mom2FourBlessings April 05, 2007, 02:24:35 AM
I just want to thank all of you for your contributions to this thread.. I have some friends with liver problems caused by hep c.. mother/daughter and we have been searching for the 4 years they have known for herbal remedies and such.. they both did interfuron (sp?) but it was too hard on the system.. the daughter has a very damaged liver probably due to her being 14 before the hep c was found and all the antibiotics, tylenol, etc they had her on as a child..

Anyway this is the most information I have EVER found in one place I have forwarded the information on to them.. If anyone has more information PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep it coming.. I am searching the old posts too in other areas... but any additional information or personal stories from people with Hep C is greatly appreciated.. you can PM me if you would like..

Thanks a bunch
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama April 05, 2007, 03:52:37 AM
Mom2FourBlessings,

I'm glad this is helpful for you, too. :)  There is so much to learn!  If I find anything more, I'll certainly post it.

I'm delving into the skin troubles as it relates to liver health right now...why we itch...how to help that.  :(  I am tiring rapidly of this 3 month rash that I was attributing to detox/improved liver health (kicking stuff out better) but I'm beginning to wonder about my theory.   :-\

Blessings to you!

: Re: Liver Function
: Harpist April 15, 2007, 08:24:20 AM
Healty in Ohio,
I hope you receive this -- I'm new to posting, etc.   :-[

Would you be willing to explain the process you used for cleansing?  I'm not familiar with a lot of what you said.   I need recipes, etc.

Why the three months and then fasting?  Was this your choice or recommended by someone?  Also, was the fasting for one week?  And, fasting -- only water and tea for 7 days? :o

I appreciate your time and insight.
Harpist
: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio April 15, 2007, 11:55:43 AM
Healty in Ohio,
I hope you receive this -- I'm new to posting, etc.   :-[

Would you be willing to explain the process you used for cleansing?  I'm not familiar with a lot of what you said.   I need recipes, etc.

Why the three months and then fasting?  Was this your choice or recommended by someone?  Also, was the fasting for one week?  And, fasting -- only water and tea for 7 days? :o

I appreciate your time and insight.
Harpist

Hey Harpist,

A lot of what I have done has been trial and error and a lot of reading different books and such.  I have The How To Herb book and Prescription for Nutritional Healing that I would recommend. 
I started off with my first juice fast about four to five years ago and noticed that the "redness" in my face(rosacea) had gone away, but came back a few months later, so I just ended up doing a cleanse every 3 months. Some may need to do one once a week every month, while others that are healthy just twice a year.
I start off by eliminating all processed and sugared foods and just eat a "raw diet" for about 5-7 days and then do a juicing fruits and veggies fast for a few days to a week. (there are many juicing books at the library that I used).  I then do a coffee enema(boil 6 TBSP organic coffee in 2 QTs water for 15 min.  let sit until room temp and then strain 2 cups into an enema bag, insert and lay on right side for 15 min. before expelling), which will purge the liver of toxins.
Now, I am currently doing my raw food diet and some enemas before I start the Master Cleanse.  Hopefully, it will work for me this time.  Here it is if you want to try it:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.0.html

I hope this helps some, but if not then you can PM me for more details.
: Re: Liver Function
: diaperswyper May 01, 2007, 01:10:53 AM
    I've been having terribly itchy skin on my legs and at the same time my itchy, scaly skin on my scalp is like an epidemic. I don't know what's going on, i drink beet kvass and kombucha and use coconut oil on my legs and i'm still itchy. Any idea's?
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama May 01, 2007, 01:32:18 AM
diaperswyper-  :)

Hi!  I was reading some of your related posts on this the other day and wondering....I've dealt w/ rashes recently and have been all over WTM trying things.  I used to be up at night scratching my legs and belly and arms.   :'( 

What's been working is the dead sea salt baths or solution that I dab on (1/4 c. to 1 qt of water) and calendula petals gently simmered in extra virgin olive oil (EVOO)...applied after the bath (about 2x a day). Coconut oil is a no no for me and someone else...Fabulous stuff, but aggravated out skin.   :(

There are threads on "itchy" skin that you've probably discovered....(like during PG...itchy legs...) If I find ones, I'll link them.   :)



After 11 days on an allergy elimination diet, I notice that things are clearing, too.  I also switched laundry soap and shampoo...that helped.
: Re: Liver Function
: diaperswyper May 01, 2007, 04:34:23 AM
    Where do you buy your calendula petals? I make my own laundry soap and have used baking soda and vinegar on my hair and loved how my hair felt but i finally got desperate and bought some Neutrogena dandruff shampoo in hopes it would help. Do you use the dead sea salt and the calendula solution both or one at a time?
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama May 01, 2007, 05:43:20 AM
Where do you buy your calendula petals? I make my own laundry soap and have used baking soda and vinegar on my hair and loved how my hair felt but i finally got desperate and bought some Neutrogena dandruff shampoo in hopes it would help. Do you use the dead sea salt and the calendula solution both or one at a time?
My local co-op sells them w/ bulk spices/herbs.  They're relatively easy to grow.

I think my homemade laundry soap w/ a bar containing coconut-based cleaner (Kirk's Coco Castile) may be aggravating my skin...grudgingly switched to ALL Allergy-Free for a bit.  I used the DSS stuff for really itchy spots to stop the itch...and used the calendula EVOO all over arms and legs where it was rashy.  After the DSS dried, I guess I'd apply oil a few hour later?  Right now I primarily bathe in the DSS and apply oil when I come out.
: Re: Liver Function
: westernmama April 14, 2008, 11:50:33 AM
Yooper, I'm going to dig up your old thread here.  ;)  It has been terribly interesting to me to read up on my liver, what all it does, and how to gently cleanse it.  I have never had major issues with my liver or gallbladder and so am not doing a major flush.  But I have started some silymarin/milk thistle that I purchased from Puritan's Pride (probably not as good as Beeyoutiful's, but it was on sale). 

After about 4-6 weeks on milk thistle (1,000 mg per day) I have noticed a few things that I'm wondering if I can contribute it to a healthier liver.  My metabolism seems to have picked up.  I have lost about 3-4 pounds without cutting calories.  My bbt's have risen slightly.  And my luteal phase was 13 days instead of 10!  ;D  Can a healthier liver make your thyroid healthier?  I did read on here that a healthy liver balances hormones.

When I first began the milk thistle, I had mildly sharp pains in the region of my liver.  Nothing bad, but I would notice it once in a while.  They have pretty much subsided, though.  My bowels are also more regular - they say milk thistle stimulates more bile production which has a mild laxative effect.

I just know that I feel good!  :)  Maybe some of you ladies will be able to prove it's all in my head, but for now I'm going to let the milk thistle get the credit.  :D  I also just ordered Sandra Cabot's book off of Amazon and can't wait for it to get here.  I just may even get dh convinced to clean his liver! 
: Re: Liver Function
: YoopreMama April 14, 2008, 01:25:01 PM
After about 4-6 weeks on milk thistle (1,000 mg per day) I have noticed a few things that I'm wondering if I can contribute it to a healthier liver.  My metabolism seems to have picked up.  I have lost about 3-4 pounds without cutting calories.  My bbt's have risen slightly.  And my luteal phase was 13 days instead of 10!  ;D  Can a healthier liver make your thyroid healthier?  I did read on here that a healthy liver balances hormones.

When I first began the milk thistle, I had mildly sharp pains in the region of my liver.  Nothing bad, but I would notice it once in a while.  They have pretty much subsided, though.  My bowels are also more regular - they say milk thistle stimulates more bile production which has a mild laxative effect.

I just know that I feel good!  :)  Maybe some of you ladies will be able to prove it's all in my head, but for now I'm going to let the milk thistle get the credit.  :D  I also just ordered Sandra Cabot's book off of Amazon and can't wait for it to get here.  I just may even get dh convinced to clean his liver! 
That is so great to hear, westernmama!  :)  I think you can attribute MANY of those improvements to the increased performance of your liver.  Keep us posted!  ;D
: Treatment information of Liver diseases
: tokoyo7788 April 16, 2008, 03:13:59 PM
I am the administrator of the forum which provides discussion to patients with liver diseases (hepatitis c, fatty liver, liver cancer, liver cirrhosis, and NASH liver). You can get much useful information about liver health and let others share your experiences there. Welcome to visit http://www.liver-health.info/ and http://english.kenkyusho.com/
If you have any question about liver health, pls feel free to contact with us. Our email is kyotsujigyo@yahoo.cn.  Hope we can help you.
: Re: Liver Function
: Leah IL May 07, 2008, 01:53:48 AM
Yesterday I started the 8 week "Liver Cleansing Diet" by Dr. Sandra Cabot.  I had been looking for information about why my abdomen would be bloated and found her website (http://www.liverdoctor.com/).  Then I searched her here.  Yooper had mentioned the book in the very beginning of this post.  Anyway, I read the excerpts she had posted, bought the book and am on day 2 today.  I set up a blog to log how it's going, if anyone is interested.

http://lcdjournal.blogspot.com/
: Re: Liver Function
: its_me518 June 12, 2008, 11:02:03 AM
Hi everyone!!  :)

I have really enjoyed this thread!! So informative!! Thank you for everyone who provided the info & also the personal testimonies... (I LOVE testimonies!!)

Ok, so here's my question. I KNOW that the 8 week diet would be the BEST way to go.... BUT I know myself... and I will NEVER be able to do it. SO.... what's the NEXT BEST thing?? I REALLY need to clean my liver, so could any of you help me out & give me a "list".... For some reason, my brain has hard time "understanding" (my liver must be REALLY clogged!!  ::)  ) Anyway, if you could tell me exactly what herbs/supplements/teas/tinctures to take, and how much (mgs, cups,) of each... OH HOW I WOULD APPRECIATE IT!!!

What I have in mind right now is to get some dandilion tincture (had to drink it during pregnancy for messed up liver) and getting some EITHER Milk Thisle OR the Silyrman(sp?) stuff... I just don't know which one is actually better.....

So PLEASE HELP!!!  ???

Thank you sooo much!!!  :-*
: Re: Liver Function
: its_me518 June 12, 2008, 12:10:54 PM
After about 4-6 weeks on milk thistle (1,000 mg per day) I have noticed a few things that I'm wondering if I can contribute it to a healthier liver.  My metabolism seems to have picked up.  I have lost about 3-4 pounds without cutting calories.  My bbt's have risen slightly.  And my luteal phase was 13 days instead of 10!  ;D  Can a healthier liver make your thyroid healthier?  I did read on here that a healthy liver balances hormones.

When I first began the milk thistle, I had mildly sharp pains in the region of my liver.  Nothing bad, but I would notice it once in a while.  They have pretty much subsided, though.  My bowels are also more regular - they say milk thistle stimulates more bile production which has a mild laxative effect.

Ok, so I just looked at the Beeyoutiful Silymarin Liver Support. It has only 300mg Milk Thisle Extract... and some other ingredients. Is this not enough Milk Thisle? Do we need 1000mgs to actually work?
: Re: Liver Function
: likemanywaters June 12, 2008, 03:02:10 PM
Hi everyone!!  :)
...and getting some EITHER Milk Thisle OR the Silyrman(sp?) stuff... I just don't know which one is actually better.....

So PLEASE HELP!!!  ???

Thank you sooo much!!!  :-*

Milk Thistle and Silymarin are the same thing I believe. "Silymarin" is just the extracted Milk Thistle, right?

.... as to the other stuff, I suppose if I were to take an easy, basic approach, I'd start with, higher nutrient foods & "super" foods like bee pollen, cutting out junk of course, & just what you said dandelion & milk thistle. Watching my fats: as in how it is combined with emulsifiers (think lemon & acids) in the meal. There is so many simple things you can do too. Like lemon squeezed in water sipped before a meal helps your liver. I know there are more like that, but they slip my mind for now... Not that this is medical advice you know, just things I've heard of.  :) The others are the Liver experts on this thread.
: Re: Liver Function
: tokoyo7788 July 08, 2008, 10:02:32 PM
we think, keys for patients with liver disease are:
1) To find the treatment that suitable for your disease condition.
2) To believe there really a treatment in the world accorded with your need.

Some helpful info may be found in the site http://www.liver-health.info
Hope everyone has a healthy liver.
: Re: Liver Function
: snickerdoodle July 10, 2008, 06:48:40 AM
My husband just had blood tests done for his job and the doctor sent my husband back a letter stating that his liver function test was high and he needed to stop drinking beer. 

My husband doesn't drink beer... or any other type of alcohol.

So he went to the doc, told them this info, and they reviewed his previous three year tests.  My husbands liver function test (I gotta figure out the tech terms on that.) has steadily increased over a three year period.

My husband was born jaundaced.  Has had asthma and allergies his whole life and has been on medication for his asthma and allergies since he was 3-4...  He suffers from basically all the symptoms listed on this thread related to liver disease/dysfunction.  (and is on medication to treat most of these various symptoms... treating the symptoms and not the root... I know)

I know getting him off of meds would be super good for him.  He's reluctant.  No make that adamant.  He believes his asthma med's keep him alive (and they have)... but from what I'm reading here, the liver dysfunction may be the underlying cause for his asthma in the first place.  So his liver dysfunction has caused astham.  The meds to treat his asthma have aggravated his liver and then his liver aggravates his asthma more so that he needs more meds... vicious cycle, huh? 

Well, first things first I guess. I'm so glad you guys are here to bounce things off of.  (he did ask me to research this...)  So...  looks like a good start would be to cut the coffee and sugar from his diet.  Lemon in warm water before meals.  Add in ginger, dandelion and milk thistle as supplements, and maybe do a cleanse.  I'm going to pick up this Liver cleansing diet book at the library today. 

I'll try to keep you all updated on how this is all working out.  If you run across any more good info, please!!!  pm me when you post it. 

Thanks all for the info you've posted!
 



: Re: Liver Function
: InEverything July 10, 2008, 08:11:47 AM
Denim&Lace-- Trader Joes has a wonderful Milk Thistle supplement, it contains Turmeric and Dandelion. If you don't have Trader Joes you could probably find something similar. If not, try to add Turmeric to meals. It is very good for the Liver. I sprinkle it on many common things, ie eggs, green peas, rice, lentils.  It tastes better to have some butter or other healthy fat included.
You seem to be on the right track  :).  Small meals is also important so the liver won't be taxed.
: Re: Liver Function
: ~esposita~ July 10, 2008, 08:18:56 AM
denim&lace, I am by NO MEANS an expert but here are the ideas I thought of:

(1) My DH has a friend that had liver cancer and is now lacking part of his liver.  He just started taking a 'liver tonic (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,18996.0.html)' with hopes that it will (a) boost his liver function and (b) help rebuild/recreate healthy liver cells.  To my limited knowledge, the ingredients in this tonic can be taken by anyone for any length of time and won't be detrimental to someone's health (if someone knows otherwise, please pipe up!)

Liver Tonic Recipe:  (He is taking it in tincture form.)

4 parts Milk Thistle
2 parts Dandelion
2 parts Alfalfa
1 parts Red Clover
1/2 parts Fennel

(2)  If he is interested in doing a cleanse, what about a liver flush (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,940.0.html)?
In my understanding, based on the research of others (thanks, WTM!) you should not do a serious cleanse (ie. the Master Cleanse) if you have a compromised liver with out FIRST flushing your liver. 

Just some thoughts to get you thinking!  Keep us posted!

HTH!
: Re: Liver Function
: snickerdoodle July 10, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
Thanks Ladies for that info. 

I don't think my husband will be doing any major cleansing anytime real soon.  Here a little, there a little.  He's not big on change. ;)

He did say he wanted to start walking for exercise 3-4 times a week.  I was  :o  to say the least.  Glad, but shocked.

I'll add that tumeric in on meals.  I ordered several things from Beeyoutiful for him.  I know he's a yeast factory (he admits to this too) and has don antibiotics several times this past year.  His immune system is pretty taxed.

Ack!  I could get ahead of myself so easy.  I gotta remember this is for HIM, not me.   :P  I'd be jumping in with both feet... he's content to dangle his big toe in the water for a while to see what the water's like. 

: Re: Liver Function
: snickerdoodle July 10, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
I picked up a book called "Liver Cleansing Handbook; How to keep your liver happy" at the library.  It's by Rhody Lake. 

This is a neat little book that kind of seems to condense and simplify all the information from this thread and the other Liver cleanse diet book.  This one also has several recipes in it. 

http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Cleansing-Handbook-Natural-Health/dp/1553120043 (http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Cleansing-Handbook-Natural-Health/dp/1553120043)
: Re: Liver Function
: healthybratt July 12, 2008, 04:06:34 AM
denim&lace

Do you make kombucha?  You might consider getting this one perfected.  It's very good for the liver and also the digestive tract (good flora).  ForeverGirl has researched the effects of this reversing the bad effects on alcohol.  It can actually make a person "less drunk" when drinking.  I think this might be a great way to ease your hubby into good health.  If you get the brew just to his liking, he'll most likely feel better and he'll be less likely to drink sodas (if he does??).  My hubby went from drinking a couple of cases of pop a week to about a 12 pack a month once we started making kombucha and I quit drinking pop altogether.  I know this isn't the main point but just to let you know how well it works.  The other good thing is it's cheap.  You need only pay for teabags and depending on your water quality, you may need to purchase a few gallons of water a week. 

I've not heard of any adverse effects when taking meds and drinking kombucha, and I've not noticed any - I'm currently taking an antihistamine (hopefully temporary) -- but I suppose you might want to check into this possibility just to be sure.   :)
: Re: Liver Function
: InEverything July 12, 2008, 07:04:33 AM
denim&lace

Do you make kombucha?  You might consider getting this one perfected.  It's very good for the liver and also the digestive tract (good flora).  ForeverGirl has researched the effects of this reversing the bad effects on alcohol.  It can actually make a person "less drunk" when drinking.  I think this might be a great way to ease your hubby into good health.  If you get the brew just to his liking, he'll most likely feel better and he'll be less likely to drink sodas (if he does??).  My hubby went from drinking a couple of cases of pop a week to about a 12 pack a month once we started making kombucha and I quit drinking pop altogether.  I know this isn't the main point but just to let you know how well it works.  The other good thing is it's cheap.  You need only pay for teabags and depending on your water quality, you may need to purchase a few gallons of water a week. 

I've not heard of any adverse effects when taking meds and drinking kombucha, and I've not noticed any - I'm currently taking an antihistamine (hopefully temporary) -- but I suppose you might want to check into this possibility just to be sure.   :)

Great advice HB.  Kombucha was the first thing that got my "sluggish" liver on the road to recovery.   
: Re: Liver Function
: keplersaunt September 24, 2008, 07:50:52 AM
I know I read about a cod liver oil compress applied on the right side for liver support.  I can't find it now of course.  I had elevated liver enzymes from my last blood test.  I thought that clo would be good to use as a compress, but reading earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that you should avoid clo when your liver is damaged.  So for a damaged liver, I should not be using it?  I am confused. ???
: Re: Liver Function
: 4myhoonie November 02, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
I have a comment on the previous post of:

"Don't eat if you're not hungry"

I am always never hungry.  I honestly eat out of habit.  If I ate because of hunger then I would probably eat a couple handfulls of something.  That can't be healthy, can it?

hey HIO--i know this is really old, but i found this when reading some old threads, trying to decide what to do with adzuki beans!  i just wanted to comment, i had gotten to a point with yeast cleansing of doing the same thing.  it was time to cook for my family so i would just eat with them.  since i went off of all that protein, that was really not being processed well by my body, and cleansed out my bowels with Dr Schulze's detox, i get hungry again!  i'm not completely well yet, as i have plenty to deal with yet, but just figured it was something to think about for ya.  is that still true for you (the not getting hungry) or did you find a remedy?
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio November 03, 2008, 02:15:37 AM
  is that still true for you (the not getting hungry) or did you find a remedy?

That could quite be a possibility.  I've been more careful about making myself not eat when hungry, though.  Going away from the table, etc.  That way I don't over eat for any reason.
: Re: Liver Function
: boysmama November 03, 2008, 04:00:46 AM
I know I read about a cod liver oil compress applied on the right side for liver support.  I can't find it now of course.  I had elevated liver enzymes from my last blood test.  I thought that clo would be good to use as a compress, but reading earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that you should avoid clo when your liver is damaged.  So for a damaged liver, I should not be using it?  I am confused. ???
I am slightly confused as well. This is mentioned with almost all herbs, B vits, CLO- anything that would stimulate cleansing and detox. I have made the hypothesis that this is because any time the body starts to cleanse and release toxins, they have to be processed by the liver. Of course if the liver is already congested or damaged this is going to tax it further. The liver will not be able to eliminate the toxins now circulating in the body actually causing more harm.
 My solution for this would be to start very slowly making a gentle liver cleansing action the first goal. I have several ideas, but don't feel qualified to recommend them yet.  HTH
: Re: Liver Function
: Melie December 13, 2008, 06:35:31 AM
Thanks for starting this thread, Yooper.  I plan to read the whole thing on a long drive today (my husband's driving :) ). 
I have a question though that maybe someone can answer for me.  I am 31 wks pregnant and have been having terrible itching mostly on my legs at night for a little under a week now.  I started researching and began to wonder if I have Cholestasis of pregnancy.  It's a liver problem in which "Pregnancy hormones affect gallbladder function, resulting in slowing or stopping the flow of bile. The gallbladder holds bile that is produced in the liver, which is necessary in the breakdown of fats in digestion. When the bile flow is stopped or slowed down, this causes a build up of bile acids in the liver which can spill into the bloodstream. ".  I went to the Dr. thursday and she had never heard of it and thought maybe I had bug bites or foliculitis.  I'm quite sure it's neither.  I have been having symptoms of a gall bladder problem anyways.
Well, they took blood to do a liver function test and other tests and they also did an ultrasound.  The ultrasound test came back 'unremarkable' which is great but they forgot to read the blood test.  I am wondering if having a clean ultrasound probably means that the blood test will be okay?  Would you be able to see on an ultrasound if the bile acids were spilling into the bloodstream.  I'm impatient to know this because this disease can be very bad, even fatal for the baby and usually results to an early induction. 
Also, the Dr. and my midwives have told me to stop taking all supplements which makes me feel a little hopeless to do anything to help.  They said it would just put added stress on my liver.  One midwife told me I could keep taking peppermint for indigestion and dandelion.
I hope I'm wrong and we have bugs in the house that are only biting me. ::)
: Re: Liver Function
: Melie December 14, 2008, 06:23:57 AM
Can anyone tell me if a liver was spilling bile acids into your bloodstream, would this show up on an ultrasound?  Or would only a blood test show this information?
: Re: Liver Function
: doug-again December 15, 2008, 04:42:12 PM
Ultrasound shows the presence of gallstones in the gallbladder, not acids in the blood; nor does it show the presence of gall stones in the liver.
They need to read that blood test.
: Re: Liver Function
: rainydayz December 16, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
Can anyone tell me if a liver was spilling bile acids into your bloodstream, would this show up on an ultrasound?  Or would only a blood test show this information?

Only bloodwork will tell you if you have elevated bile acids in your blood.  BUT an ultrasound will show a gall bladder that is swollen or "sludgy".  If the gall bladder is not emptying properly (cholestasis) that IS something they can pick up on an ultrasound.  They can see flow in the gall bladder and bile ducts, as well as distention in both of these structures.  Did they take blood pre and post you eating food?
: Re: Liver Function
: Melie December 16, 2008, 12:57:07 PM
Thank you for the information.  I was finally able to find out that my  blood work was fine, I'm anemic, but I can deal with that.  So I don't know why I'm having the issues I am?  I think it would be wise for me to stay very careful with my diet.  They did not take my blood work before and after eating.  I had not eaten much that day, mostly fruits and veggies and one peice of toast.  I had not eaten for about 3 hours at the time.
: Re: Liver Function
: doug-again December 16, 2008, 09:15:32 PM
So I don't know why I'm having the issues I am?
 i don't know either, but your dermatitis could be a reaction to anything; from the Sodium Laurel Sulfate in your soap to the corn tortillas and cheese on the dinner table.  i'd take a few oatmeal baths; switch soaps to bland/unscented, alter diet.  If things improved then i'd rule out liver problems even further, and look at some threads on eczema/dermatitis.
OR, if i felt like blowing $ on a doctor, i'd visit the dermatologist about the itchy legs.

: Re: Liver Function
: rainydayz December 17, 2008, 10:45:01 AM
The reason I was wondering is that Bile Acid tests are often run in pairs- before and after eating to see how much they elevate after eating.  But a high fasting bile acid test is all you need to call it OC, so is probably all they ran.  I was looking around on the internet.. did you say you actually have little bumps that look like bug bites?  I found sometihing called Prurigo of Pregnancy... which is totally benign... could it be that? 
Hope you feel better soon, and are holding that baby soon!  (ps- I just had a new one on the 1st!)
: Re: Liver Function
: herbalmom December 17, 2008, 11:31:10 AM
Melie, check out this thread. It specifically talks about itchy, bug bite type rashes during pregnancy & PUPPPs. (Pruritic Urticarial Papules and Plaques of Pregnancy)

Sorry I didn't mention it earlier. I immed thought of the thread when i read your 1st post but somehow thought that PUPPPs had been ruled out. Then when Rainydayz mentioned Prurigo of Pregnancy, it got me thinking about it & I reread your post & found out that PUPPPs hadn't been ruled out. I found the thread & was rereading it & found the posts talking about the itchy, bug bite type rash. So anyways, it might help. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

 Itchy [Rashes/Hives] While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.30.html)
: Re: Liver Function
: Melie December 17, 2008, 12:53:00 PM
I don't think it's pupps because, from what I understand, that normally starts on the trunk and this is mostly on my legs with a few spots on my arms.  It seems to migrate.  At least the massive itchyness migrates.  The bumps stay but when it started my calves were really itchy and now my thighs are driving me nuts.  BUT it is getting much better.  Both my midwives and dr told me to go off all supplements until we were sure that my liver was fine.  The first day I started back on the dr. schultze superfood and my other stuff I only woke up itching once and it seems to be getting quite a bit better.  The bumps are still there but they don't drive me crazy most of the time.  I am wondering if it is just detox??  Someone told me that they get fever blisters when they do a cleanse, I have never gotten one before but I have one now, so maybe that's all it is and it just got really bad when I stopped all the good stuff I was putting in my body.  I don't know.  I think I might pursue the opinion of a dermatologist if it doesn't go away.  Not so that they can treat me, just for a diagnosis so I can come here and figure out what to do! ;D
: Re: Liver Function
: herbalmom December 20, 2008, 01:13:04 AM
Melie, I could be detox & you may never know for sure WHAT it was. It's also possible that even if it didn't follow the normal path of PUPPPs it still may be that. Again, hard to say & you may never know.

The thing is, dandelion tincture (for this alcohol based is best- read about it on the thread I linked earlier) is a great treatment for PUPPPs. It's also one of the best treatments for anemia & a gentle liver cleanser & builds up the liver & blood. The Superfood may have been helping because it helps alkalinize the body which is something else that dandelion also does.

You posted this:

One midwife told me I could keep taking peppermint for indigestion and dandelion.

So what I'm thinking is that dandelion would probably be a VERY good idea right now. It should help you in a multitude of ways. 

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Liver Function
: paradisemamma February 03, 2009, 02:05:10 PM
Liver Toxicity...................mercury from 15+ Rhogam shots :'(, pain meds from last delivery (c-section), cheap chocolate as a comfort food 2 years ago during a very stressful time (I gained 30# in less than 6 months).(i'm not doing that anymore ;)

Since the c-section though, I think my liver is  not working correctly or something ???

My upper abdomen protrudes out and is uncomfortable. When I eat it gets worse. Kindof like my food is staying at my sternum. 

I drink about 3 quarts of lemon water a day. Even the water seems to stay right at the top of my sterum as well. I naturally feel the need to eat nothing; drink nothing for a couple hours.

I recently bought a juicer. I juiced carrots, berries, celery, and apples and it seemed really helpful.

After 9 natural deliveries, the c-section was allllll new! :o I don't know if this is natural after a c-section or if it's typical liver toxicity.  ???
 I am currently nursing our 7m DD and I'd like to do something to clean my liver, even done slowly would be great.

Any ideas?  ???


 

: Re: Liver Function
: T February 03, 2009, 04:04:51 PM
You might start with some dandelion tea...
: Re: Liver Function
: healthyinOhio February 03, 2009, 04:18:08 PM


Any ideas?  ???


 



These are ideas that have already been listed on all things liver, but I know that sometimes it is a little overwhelming with long threads!  ;)
Like the previous poster suggested:  dandelion tea.  Also,  milk thistle tea, or take silymarin capsules.
Continue to juice!  Try going on a no sugar, no carbs, all raw diet for a week, then juice veggies and fruits for as long as you can!  Then, do a coffee enema.  This will purge your liver of toxins.
If you can stand the taste, beet juice is the best for livers.  I could never do it!  :P ;D
As for the mercury, you may want to look into some chelation therapy to get the heavy metals out. 
: Re: Liver Function
: Jade February 03, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
Turmeric has been mentioned earlier on this thread, although briefly. According to http://www.ghchealth.com/organic-turmeric.html (http://www.ghchealth.com/organic-turmeric.html), tumeric is:

"Traditionally used to help purify the blood and provide relief for an upset stomach, Turmeric offers many health benefits that either directly or indirectly promote a healthier liver and gallbladder. Offering strong antioxidant effects, Organic Turmeric (Curcuma longa) helps remove toxins from the body. As a result of this antioxidant effect, your liver does not have to work as hard to filter blood and keep your body healthy. This helps create a healthier liver by allowing it to focus on removing toxins from the body.

Health Benefits of Turmeric:
Helps flush out toxins to reduce strain on the liver
Aids in reducing occasional inflammation
Supports bile production to break down fats for optimal cholesterol levels
Promotes natural cleansing and protection of the liver
Works to improve overall blood circulation
Encourages the growth of digestive flora and discourages the growth of harmful bacteria
Research has shown that people can help eliminate toxins from the liver and thus reduce their potential for damage to the organ if they consumed regular doses of Turmeric. In fact, research suggests Organic Turmeric works by encouraging the production of several key liver-detoxification enzymes."


I've been chugging turmeric powder 1/2 tsp. at a time in water. It doesn't exactly grow on you, but it gets more manageable as you get used to it.

Here's some side effect and cautions as listed at http://nccam.nih.gov/health/turmeric/ (http://nccam.nih.gov/health/turmeric/):

Side Effects and Cautions
Turmeric is considered safe for most adults.
High doses or long-term use of turmeric may cause indigestion.
In animals, high doses of turmeric have caused liver problems. No cases of liver problems have been reported in people.
People with gallbladder disease should avoid using turmeric as a dietary supplement, as it may worsen the condition.


Peppermint essential oil - A naturopath told me to take several drops in water two or three times a day to gently detox my liver. This is easy, and not gross (although rather intense until you get used to peppermint EO). I don't know if it cleansed my liver or not, but it DID clear up a nagging case of dandruff that had been hanging 'round for way too long. I would definitely choose an organic essential oil if I were to do this (although, of course, I didn't even THINK of it back when I did it...  ::)). I also took it while breastfeeding, but not while my baby was still really little. I can't remember how old he was... maybe... 9, 10 months? Not sure. Anyway, he had absolutely no bad reactions AND a little rash that he had had behind his knee for a long time cleared up quite nicely.  8)

Milk thistle seeds - How 'bout eating the actual seeds as a snack? I'm not sure how effective this is versus silymarin capsules or milk thistle tea, but it might be easier and tastier.  :) http://www.nutsonline.com/seedsspices/milke-thistle-seeds.html (http://www.nutsonline.com/seedsspices/milke-thistle-seeds.html)

Gerson Therapy - In Jaquie Davison's book, Cancer Winner, she states that Dr. Gerson says it takes 18 months to completely regenerate a new liver.  She explains her journey to do so in her book, which was based upon the plan in The Gerson Cancer Therapy. I don't think the average person would want to take on this plan - very, very involved. She ended up with a squeaky clean liver, though! :)

Wheatgrass - wheatgrass juice is supposed to be very powerful at detoxifying the liver. I don't think I'd use it while nursing, and I know I wouldn't use it while pregnant.

Dr. Foster's Liver Cleanse - my husband and I did this once. The liver/gallbladder formula tasted nasty, and one of the other formulas that went along with the program was even worse - really, truly horrible. I notice they offer the same formula in capsules now.  ;D

No matter what you choose to do, everything I've ever read indicates that it is SO IMPORTANT to make sure that your colon is clean and functioning properly first, before attempting any liver cleansing. If your liver is trying to dump toxins, and they're going into a colon that isn't moving along like it should, it can really create some unpleasant side effects.
: Re: Liver Function
: doug-again February 04, 2009, 09:04:37 AM
Since the c-section though, I think my liver is  not working correctly or something ???

My upper abdomen protrudes out and is uncomfortable. When I eat it gets worse. Kindof like my food is staying at my sternum. 

I drink about 3 quarts of lemon water a day. Even the water seems to stay right at the top of my sterum as well. I naturally feel the need to eat nothing; drink nothing for a couple hours.

After 9 natural deliveries, the c-section was allllll new! :o I don't know if this is natural after a c-section or if it's typical liver toxicity.  ???
 I am currently nursing our 7m DD and I'd like to do something to clean my liver, even done slowly would be great. Any ideas?  ???
i ain't no doctor, but i don't think that this is a liver issue.
The liquid staying up at your sternum reminds me of how the pyloric valve should automatically open at around a quart of water.  Chug a quart all at once if you can.  If that valve doesn't seem to open, then there's inflammation or parasites there or something.  So yeah, dandelion tea maybe, or wormwood might knock out an infestation , if that's what's going on....
The food going nowhere sounds like hook stomach.
But, i really think that this has to do with the pylorus not opening when it should.
Get hubby to find the stomach spot on your foot and rub it.
If it's sore, and the liver spots ain't, then there you go...stomach.
Intreat the man to rub your foot.  That'll send some blood to the organ.
The LIFE of the flesh is in the blood. 
  You asked for ideas, right? 8)
: Re: Liver Function
: T February 04, 2009, 02:05:18 PM

i ain't no doctor, but i don't think that this is a liver issue.
The liquid staying up at your sternum reminds me of how the pyloric valve should automatically open at around a quart of water.  Chug a quart all at once if you can.  If that valve doesn't seem to open, then there's inflammation or parasites there or something.  So yeah, dandelion tea maybe, or wormwood might knock out an infestation , if that's what's going on....
The food going nowhere sounds like hook stomach.
But, i really think that this has to do with the pylorus not opening when it should.
Get hubby to find the stomach spot on your foot and rub it.
If it's sore, and the liver spots ain't, then there you go...stomach.
Intreat the man to rub your foot.  That'll send some blood to the organ.
The LIFE of the flesh is in the blood. 
  You asked for ideas, right? 8)
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Your delivery just made me smile... ;D  It does sound like some worthwhile advice although I'd never even heard of the pyloric valve.  Some of the symptoms sound a little like hiatal hernia to me but it seems more complicated than that.

Thanks for the 'intreatment' of a chuckle!
: Re: Liver Function
: paradisemamma February 05, 2009, 06:32:34 PM
 ;DThanks for the ideas. I bought some dandelion tea today. I'll start with eating the raw foods, juicing, and drinking the tea. I googled the info shared.  A hiatal hernia seems more of the location. :o Would the drinking the quart of water and having it stay up high be the same side effect as the hernia? I'm still wondering if this has anything to do with the liver ???
Still looking to learn.............
paradisemamma 
: Re: Liver Function
: doug-again February 05, 2009, 09:26:02 PM
Would the drinking the quart of water and having it stay up high be the same side effect as the hernia?
i dunno if it'd be the same.  i suggested that as a test for that little valve.  Trying to figure something out like this without an endoscope is trying. [hah]...so i'm grasping at straws. On second thought, the pylorus is too far past your sternum -  forget that.  Anyway, this is the best reflexology map that i could find.
http://midwifemuse.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/foot_reflexology.jpg  (http://midwifemuse.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/foot_reflexology.jpg)
Again, get your hubby [or someone] to apply thumb pressure to the stomach or liver areas on your feet.  This will narrow things down.  If you're tender in one or both stomach spots, and not on the liver spot then you know its probably not your liver.
For instance, my wife was tender on her kidney/adrenal spots on both feet.  i mean really painfully so; it hurt to walk.  No amount of foot-rubbing made a difference until i put her on some kidney herbs for a couple weeks.  She's not tender there anymore.  The herbs cleared up whatever issue she was having.
I'm still wondering if this has anything to do with the liver ???
You said earlier that your "food is staying at your sternum."  ...doubt its liver.  Maybe its the esophageal sphincter, on the top side of your stomach, that's not opening and closing as it should.  That's the one that connects your esophagus to your stomach.  Did you have a lot of heartburn during pregnancy?  Maybe that area got weakened and eroded by stomach juices, and now it needs to heal.  The more i think about it, the more i wonder if this isn't just plain ole heartburn. That'd explain the bloating and the sternum pressure. Does lying on your left side help?  Does chocolate, tomato, caffeine or citrus make it worse?
Judging from the shot and pain med info that you gave,  i have no doubt that you need a liver detox, but your symptoms are pointing elsewhere, IMO.
Anyway, its great that you're juicing.  Be sure to "chew" your juice.  Swish it around your mouth to allow your saliva to predigest it all.  This will help your tummy to do its special digesting job.

: Re: Liver Function
: mykidsmom February 16, 2009, 06:38:20 PM
I wasn't sure where to put this so I opted for liver cleansing, and HB will you move it if it belongs somewhere else?  Thanks.

Having an autoimmune disease I am constantly doing gentle cleansing in an effort to clear the toxins out of my system.  My kids have been taking Berbine (Candibactin BR) for their intestinal systems this past few months.  They were told to stop and I had bottles left so I decided to give it a try myself to see what happens.  The bottle says it's for intestinal strengthening, gentle cleansing, immune system building, etc.  So I figured it couldn't hurt me and hopefully would help.  I've taken it for two days now and the detox symptoms are amazing!  I've had low grade fevers, my glands are swollen from my left ear down to my jaw, my bowels are all over the place from normal to nearly runny.  And my bowels are much more active then usual (interpret as: going a lot!).  So, this is either all detox or I've got mono.   ;D ::)

So I guess I said all that to say that if someone is looking for a fairly gentle liver and intestinal detox as well as immune builder, I think the berbine is a good choice.  I'm going to take it for a few more days and then lay off and see what happens.  To my knowledge, it can be taken long term.  My son was on it 4 months before we took him off of it. 

patti
: Re: Liver Function
: HappyWifey December 27, 2009, 11:31:58 PM
Patti what was your final take on this?
: Re: Liver Function
: mykidsmom December 28, 2009, 09:08:46 AM
Patti what was your final take on this?

I took the berbine for a few months.  After all I've learned about the gut I believe the symptoms I was having were actually bacterial die off from the berbine.  I had a pretty hefty amount of bacteria in my gut when we did a stool test.  I did feel much better after doing a round of berbine but it's because the bad bacteria was killed off.

In the end, I would say berbine is better used (and intended) as an intestinal healer and bacteria killer. 

patti
: Re: Liver Function
: HappyWifey December 28, 2009, 11:35:37 AM
Thanks. :)