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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Candida & Leaky Gut => : healthybratt April 15, 2006, 04:28:31 PM

: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt April 15, 2006, 04:28:31 PM
  Counteracting Die-Off

When yeast cells are rapidly killed by the immune system, drug treatment, or dietary intervention, a "die-off" or Herxheimer reaction occurs. This reaction is caused by the massive release of toxins from dying Candida cells. Toxic proteins from the dead yeasts cross cell membranes, enter the bloodstream, and trigger an intense immune reaction.

Other death-stress chemicals cause direct cellular toxicity throughout the body. Immune/yeast complexes trigger the release of histamine, an irritating tissue hormone which initiates tissue inflammation and causes discomfort. Severe allergic and toxic reactions exacerbate the symptoms of Candida. Die-off reactions may last from a few days to a few weeks but usually clear up in less than a week.

Yeast Die-Off Inhibits Treatment

Die-off and the Herxheimer reaction occur when a larger number of yeasts die rapidly, releasing toxins and causing allergic reactions. A die-off reaction is especially pronounced when using powerful antifungal drugs like Nystatin that literally cause yeast cells to burst apart. Even though a strong die-off reaction causes a significant amount of discomfort, it is a sign of a successful treatment.

Perhaps one of the most unfortunate aspects of a severe Herxheimer reaction is that it may cause individuals to abandon a successful treatment prematurely. The Herxheimer reaction keeps many individuals indulging in their pro-yeast lifestyle like the withdrawal reaction keeps drug abusers addicted.

An effective means to reduce the discomfort of die-off is to take the supplement compounds listed under "Other anti-yeast supplements," (at left), drink plenty of fluids, and consume 30-40 grams a day of dietary fiber. That will deactivate, absorb and rid the body of toxic debris from dead yeasts.

I quit sugar (I mean all sugars) about 8 days ago.  For the last 3 days, I've had recurring yeast symptoms.  I started to get very upset thinking something was wrong.  According to the info above from a Candida website (http://www.dreddyclinic.com/online_recources/articles/disease/candida_2.htm), these symptoms may be reasonable; however this article mentions nothing specifically about feminine and/or skin problems.

Any thoughts?
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: ForeverGirl April 15, 2006, 05:16:41 PM
Yikes, I don't envy you!

It is important to drink, drink, drink LOTS of water to flush out that dying junk so that it doesn't come out on your skin, etc... Pee it out, if you can! I'd add lemon juice to the water.  Get lots of sunshine, and oddly - not much exercise - during the die-off.  Sleep more, and let your body heal.

If I were you, I'd be eating yogurt like crazy. Kefir would be even better, but plain yogurt will do. And if you are a hard core - yogurt enemas! Several tablespoons of plain yogurt or kefir in 4 cups of warm water makes two enemas. Hold inside you for 12-15 minutes each. I highly recommend doing this if you have yeast. You can also do this as a douche.   
This will help see you through the die-off at a faster rate. Or if you can, purchase a bottle of acidophilus and take it orally and in enema water.

If I were in your position - I'd be putting yogurt or acidophilus in both ends a couple times a day.  :P :P :P ;)
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: ForeverGirl May 06, 2006, 09:13:44 AM
Just try to speed it up by drinking lots of water, taking the Supermom, and continuing your no yeast/sugar diet. Stay with low carbs too. Die-Off usually lasts less than a week if you are eating right and taking the supplements. God bless your efforts!

Rebekah
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: healthybratt May 06, 2006, 10:36:45 AM
I had been taking SuperMom for about 2 weeks when I noticed that every time I had sugar, I got tired and bloated and awful feeling.  I figure that the SuperMom has brought to the surface a yeast problem.  So, I have been off of sugar and yeast for almost two weeks and I was feeling much better UNTIL my order of Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-up arrived.  Now, I am miserable as the yeast dies-off.  Anyone have any suggestions on some relief as I go through the process?

If you can handle the symptoms, keep on trucking and drink lots of water.  Add a bit of lemon to it and eat lots of fiber to keep your tummy movin'.  Get lots of rest whenever you can.  I went through the same thing you are going through and the worst of it was over in a couple of days, then after about a week, I felt pretty good again.

Also, just for a bit of symptom relief, try some herbal tea with equal parts catnip, raspberry leaf and peppermint.  This is very soothing and it will help to ease headaches, nasea and tummy cramps.  One teaspoon of each will make a quart of tea you can keep in your fridge to keep handy for whenever.

It shouldn't last long, but if it's too much to handle slow down.  Take a smaller dosage and even add just a bit more sugar back into your diet.  Eat a good sugar with lots of fiber, like oatmeal with honey or a piece of whole wheat toast with real peanut butter.  This will slow the die-off down a bit and the fiber will keep you movin. ;) 
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: Honey Bee May 07, 2006, 12:45:09 PM
I survived the worst of the yeast die-off!!   Thank you for your suggestions, especially about lots of water!!

I know that sugar is not my friend and plan to keep it out of my diet.  I do have two questions, though:

1.  Do I continue to take YEAST ASSASSIN and TUMMY TUNE-UP until gone or do I need to always be taking these supplements?

2.  Do I eliminate yeast in my diet?  I was thinking about trying Eziekiel Bread but I saw that it has yeast in it. 

Thank you for any input.  I am such a novice at all of this.

Honey Bee(Melissa)
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: healthybratt May 07, 2006, 01:11:19 PM
Do I eliminate yeast in my diet?  I was thinking about trying Eziekiel Bread but I saw that it has yeast in it.

Yeast (candida) is naturally occurring in your intestines.  Avoiding excess yeast won't do any harm, but what will do the most good to keep it under control indefinately is not to kill and attempt to replenish the bifidobacteria and lactobacteria which coexist with the candida in your GI tract.  These bacteria actually feed on the candida and compete for nutrients which keeps the yeast pretty well under control.  Avoid antibiotics at all turns and if you can't, make sure you replenish the bacteria you killed by eating yogurt, kefir, fermented foods and probiotic supplements.  Avoid sugar as much as possible, especially in conjunction with antibiotics or during viral attacks to keep the candida from getting too much to eat while the bacteria are absent or disabled.  It's also been suggested that hormone based oral contraceptives may lend themselves to yeast overload. 
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: 3boysmyjoys August 03, 2006, 04:07:46 PM
Yes, we are trying to do the yeast-free diet. :P  It's a little bit involved so we are occasionally making a mistake.
Are there side effects to this diet.  We are all having worse symptoms than before.  (Eczema is worse, itching bottoms, dizziness, nausea, gas :-[...)  I figured this was from the yeast going out of our systems, but I wanted a little imput to see if anyone else has experinced this.

Also, Can you have potatoes?  One site said you could have minimal whole grains (Brown rice, red beans, couscous, barley.)  We 've been eating corn chips.  Is this a big no-no? ???
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: SC August 03, 2006, 04:46:28 PM
CORN CHIPS???  :o :P

*deep breath in. exhale. good*
Okay, I'm better now.   :-[ ::)

Allright. First of all think of yeast as a plant that needs two things to grow: moisture and sugar. If you make bread, one of the steps is to place the yeast in some warm water with sugar and let it sit for a few minutes. This "sprouts" the spores and jump starts their growth.

Yeast doesn't only feed off of processed sugar, but it also feeds off of natural sugars. This means that honey, fruits, vegetables and grains which are high in carbohydrates will aggravate a yeast overgrowth. How? By affecting your blood sugar level. This is known as a high glycemic index.

Foods that further complicate an overgrowth of yeast are:
breads and grains (rice), white and/or yellow and/or red vegetables, fruits, processed foods (especially those with natural sugars, corn syrup, etc.) , cheeses, non-fermented milk products (the lactose in the milk)

{Corn chips are processed yellow vegetable grain products}

This leaves you with green vegetables, fermented milk products, meats and whatever else doesn't fall into the above category

Of course, once the yeast is under control, you can gradually start to add items back in like blueberries and strawberries, whole grain sprouted breads, brown rice, organic vegetables, etc. Products which are organic are more easily processed by your body. Products with more fiber (like brown rice vs white rice) have a lower glycemic index.

I hope your family is doing better soon. I'm sorry for gasping  :-[ ;D
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: 3boysmyjoys August 03, 2006, 04:55:18 PM
Okay! Okay! :-[  They were tortilla chips!  That's not AS bad, right? :-\ ;)
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: 3boysmyjoys August 03, 2006, 04:56:55 PM
What about our symptoms?  Is this normal?
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: healthybratt August 03, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
Okay! Okay! :-[  They were tortilla chips!  That's not AS bad, right? :-\ ;)

Corn is very high in natural sugar. 
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: SC August 03, 2006, 07:03:14 PM
We are all having worse symptoms than before.  (Eczema is worse, itching bottoms, dizziness, nausea, gas :-[...)  I figured this was from the yeast going out of our systems, but I wanted a little imput to see if anyone else has experinced this.
What about our symptoms?  Is this normal?

If you were consuming lots of sugar and processed foods before you started your attempt to kill the yeast, then you might be having a partial die off. I say partial because the yeast has been fed by the chips, grains, breads, etc. However, yeast are very hardy. It is more likely that the little varmints have noticed a decrease in the food supply and have begun to be more active, competing for what food there is.

One of the waste products of parasites is yeast. Parasites just LOVE carbohydrates. It is possible that their activity has increased as well, producing more yeast. This could explain the worsening symptoms of eczema, itching bottoms, dizziness, nausea, and gas. The dizziness could be the result of your body trying to deal with all of this by producing excess muccous that is pressing against the inner ear. This coupled with the other digestive problems would account for the nausea.

Don't get discouraged, you are on the right track. I understand about food cravings. A yeast overgrowth can actually cause them. You'd be surprised if you made a list of the foods you'd, "just love to have right now." Many of them will be high-carb, high glycemic index, sugary foods. Guess what helped make that list? Yep, that's right. Yeast.
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: hermamaj August 03, 2006, 07:18:39 PM
We are also trying to do this diet. It seems to be very expensive for our family of four. Any suggestions??

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: 3boysmyjoys August 04, 2006, 06:00:29 AM
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 You'd be surprised if you made a list of the foods you'd, "just love to have right now." Many of them will be high-carb, high glycemic index, sugary foods. Guess what helped make that list? Yep, that's right. Yeast.

So we were doing more damage than good with the chips. :P ::)

Okay, I made a list of my cravings:

A Brownie a la' mode
Fudge brownies
Butter crescent rolls
Reeses peanut butter cups
Sugar cookies (my sister-inlaws)
Peanut butter pie
Cream cheese danish
Bread!
Cake!
Cookies!
Bread!!
Cake!!
Cookies!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :'( :'(

Will I survive? :-\

One good thing has come of this diet.  My threeyo hasn't wet the bed in 4 days!
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: Pennie August 04, 2006, 06:54:44 AM
We eat the low yeast diet all the time. I say low not no and it is more expensive.  we never bought a lot of junk food anyway.  I have always cooked from scratch.  One thing to remember about corn and peanuts is they are very prown to grow mold b/c of the way they are stored.  By the way peanuts are a big no no too.  I thought it was interesting how strawberries are a big allergic trigger for a lot of people and I was cutting up some "fresh" ones that had already started to mold and I wondered if there was a correlation.  Maybe people aren't allergic to the strawberry itself but maybe some unseen mold on it.  IT was just a thought.  Doug Kaufmann The Fungus Link, well any of his books really have a very easy too follow diet on it.  Easy in that it is laid out not that there is a lot to eat. :)  My problem with eating this way is that my 3 yr old especially says she is hungry ALL THE TIME. It makes me crazy b/c with it being more expensive anyway I am not going to let her eat all the time. Besides, I don't really think she is hungry.  You do tend to be more hungry on this but 15-30 mintues after we eat?  I don't think so. We have never been snackers anyway.  I wonder why everyone in my family is skinny but me?  HM.  ::)  Oh, a good "legal" dessert I make is cut up granny smith apples and sometimes I put raspberries with it(I use the frozen ones)and mix butter and cinnamon with it and bake it the ove with either pecans or walnuts.  It's quite tasty especially when you have all that sugar out of your system.  Depending on how strict you are being you can add a little honey too.  :)
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: visionarymom August 04, 2006, 07:05:11 AM
  I thought it was interesting how strawberries are a big allergic trigger for a lot of people and I was cutting up some "fresh" ones that had already started to mold and I wondered if there was a correlation.  Maybe people aren't allergic to the strawberry itself but maybe some unseen mold on it.  IT was just a thought.
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I recently read that most people who think they are allergic to strawberries actually are not. The reason for the statement was that strawberries have a very strong cleansing affect on the system. eating a lot at once often can cause hives and flushed face (toxins leaving through the skin).
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: Pennie August 04, 2006, 07:24:43 AM
oh, thats very interesting
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: refreshed August 04, 2006, 08:47:09 AM
We too are trying to do this diet, but we are modifiying it as my son has many allergies and my daughter is being treated for Crohn's disease.  Also, my kids too are always hungry and the veggies just aren't satisfying their hunger.  I can't help but think that although yeast may be a big problem in the foods we eat, God gave us these foods to eat for a reason.  Is it unrealistic to think that if I eat healthier (no grains and no refined sugar) that we will still feel better?  I want to make a lifestyle change that we can live with and not be tempted to cheat on.  And if we are at church or someone's house, I don't think reasonable to be able to only eat VERY limited foods, as you can't expect someone else to cook the way you do and alter their life for you.  Is it wrong to think that we should be moderate in approaching this diet?
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: healthybratt August 04, 2006, 10:26:58 AM
You do tend to be more hungry on this but 15-30 mintues after we eat?  I don't think so.

In the book Protein Power the authors explain that your body digests your food types one at a time.  If I remember correctly, carbs come first.  Eating fats causes the body to store carbs instead of use them.  This is why the going craze is high carb/low fat, but your body needs good healthy fats and proteins.  So if you want to stay healthy, you have to kick the carbs to stop storing fat and stop feeding yeasts and when you do this, it actually speeds up your metabolism because your body no longer needs to digest the carbs and it won't process the majority of the fats either because no "storing" is taking place, so the body can get onto the proteins and they digest much more quickly.  This is why you can eat more and get hungry faster.  I've been on the "Protein/Atkins" diet and I was starving all the time and I could eat a double whopper from Burger king without the bun and 10 minutes later, be ready for another one.

I believe there is another piece to this puzzle, because I don't believe anyone needs to eat 6 whopper patties in 2 hours to sustain a healthy body.  So it might be an adjustment to detox or attempting to lose your carb cravings.  I'm still not sure.  Someone else might have some insight into this.
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: SC August 04, 2006, 10:30:40 AM
Remember that a yeast cleanse is just that, a cleanse. This is not a way of life or permanent change. This is for the length of time it takes to allow a balance between the good and bad bacteria to be established. If you "feed the yeast" with the notion that "it's okay just this once" or with the idea that you are being moderate, then you are no longer on a yeast cleanse.

Once a cleanse is complete, then you carefully select the foods you wish to reintroduce into your diet and take precautions to be sure good bacteria are well established in a friendly environment. In other words, figure out what killed off the good bacteria and allowed the yeast overgrowth in the first place and work to avoid those additives, foods, medications, etc. in the future.

I never expect others to cook as I do at get togethers. For family members that cannot partake of standard fare, I always take a lunch box and a drink container. Everyone else eats healthy at home so an occasional meal elsewhere won't throw them off. (But this is not true during a cleanse.)

A lot has to do with your outlook. Think of it as wearing a brace for a while until a limb can have opportunity to heal properly. Then you do some physical therapy to reintroduce the limb to normal use. The same is true of your digestive tract. You wouldn't go jogging "just this one time" or in "moderation" on a broken leg. You give it time to mend. Your digestive system needs the same consideration. Success or failure may be as simple as choosing a time when you aren't planning to attend a lot of social occasions.

Also, instead of looking at all of the "goodies" you cannot have, consider it an opportunity to be creative within boundaries. This doesn't have to be a bland or boring way to eat for a time. God has blessed us with much bounty. Make changes that you feel you can live with. Set a time limit on the ones you cannot maintain. Give your tastes a chance to change, and you'll be surprised how satisfied and how much better you'll feel.

Regarding the expense -- I'll be honest. When I stopped buying processed, canned, pre-mixed non-foods, I freed up money to invest in real foods. The actual expense to our family of four is the same. I spend more money on milk, but I don't buy chips and crackers. I spend more on organic chicken and brown rice pasta, but I don't buy lunch meat, canned meats, or cured meats. My shopping trips for food rarely takes me down any of the center aisles of the store. You'll find me in the dairy, produce and meat sections with occasional trips to frozen vegetables. Pound for pound the most expensive non-food item you can buy is breakfast cereal. We just redirected our funds.
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: ~esposita~ August 31, 2006, 05:58:34 AM
...and eat lots of fiber to keep your tummy movin'.

Just a question on fiber - can you suggest some good sources?  My blank brain can only think of leafy greens (?) and Flax Seeds....
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: SteveTallent September 08, 2006, 03:23:12 PM
Oops, I was trying to split a topic off and ended up deleting a post.  >:( My bad. I'll figure this thing out eventually.
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: cpsenter October 17, 2006, 08:39:43 AM
Hi,
I had a question about the yeast free diet.  I saw on most lists of what not to eat during yeast free dieting it says not to consume vinegar.  I was looking on website of a Naturopath here close to home and on his list he says that you should stay away from vinegar but you can have "spectrum raw organice apple cider vinegar".  what do you guys think?  I don't want to be eating something that will only harm things but it sure would be nice to be able to use this on some yummy cucumbers?   :D  I will post the link to his list here.. tell me what you think please....
http://www.nutritionalconsultants.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&pageid=129
also....
regarding yeast "die off".  I have  not started by yeast assassin yet b/c of finances but will soon but I am taking acidophilus and aloe vera juice along with the yeast free diet, my tummy has really started hurting some and I am going to the bathroom often (not loose stools just often) and I am also dizzy often.  I saw that someone said that it could be a diet off symptom so I am wondering if it coud be that or if maybe I am still doing something wrong with my diet.  I have not been watching my carbs as much... I have just mainly been trying to make sure its yeast free.  I have been having a rice cake and some veggies for lunch and then whole grain organic brown rice with some veggies and meat for dinner.  Is this too much rice/ too many carbs?  should I be limiting carbs too real strict?  I am not eating any fruit either so I feel like if I limit my carbs then I really just can't eat hardly anything but green veggies.  what do you think?
thanks so much!
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: here-n-there-a-little November 13, 2006, 10:01:31 AM
My husband has been taking Tummy tune-up (three caplets within six hours) due to severe diahrea and vomitting.  He says he keeps burping a rotten egg taste.  He hasn't eated in almost 24 hours and I was wondering if that was a result of a yeast die off??  I had trouble interpreting exactly what yeast die off symptoms were in the first post on this thread.
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: healthybratt November 13, 2006, 11:52:35 AM
My husband has been taking Tummy tune-up (three caplets within six hours) due to severe diahrea and vomitting.  He says he keeps burping a rotten egg taste.  He hasn't eated in almost 24 hours and I was wondering if that was a result of a yeast die off??  I had trouble interpreting exactly what yeast die off symptoms were in the first post on this thread.

Many yeast sufferers, after starting a program for yeast control, have experienced a worsening of their condition. This can of course be a most unsettling and discouraging development and if not understood and addressed effectively, may not only forestall one's progress, but possibly bring it to a screeching halt. We therefore want to share our insights and strategies to minimize the chances of suffering unnecessarily from yeast die-off reactions.

Common yeast die-off symptoms, some individuals may develop one or several of these concurrently

Fatigue, brain fog, gastro-intestinal distress such as nausea, gas, bloating, diarrhea or constipation, low grade fever, headache, sore throat, body itch, muscle and / or joint soreness or pain, feeling as if  coming down with a flu...

[Yeast die-off reactions are] an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic overload. More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress...from The Modern Herbalist (http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html)

Counteracting Die-Off

When yeast cells are rapidly killed by the immune system, drug treatment, or dietary intervention, a "die-off" or Herxheimer reaction occurs. This reaction is caused by the massive release of toxins from dying candida cells. Toxic proteins from the dead yeasts cross cell membranes, enter the bloodstream, and trigger an intense immune reaction.

Other death-stress chemicals cause direct cellular toxicity throughout the body. Immune/yeast complexes trigger the release of histamine, an irritating tissue hormone which initiates tissue inflammation and causes discomfort. Severe allergic and toxic reactions exacerbate the symptoms of candida. Die-off reactions may last from a few days to a few weeks but usually clear up in less than a week.

Yeast Die-Off Inhibits Treatment

Die-off and the Herxheimer reaction occur when a larger number of yeasts die rapidly, releasing toxins and causing allergic reactions. A die-off reaction is especially pronounced when using powerful antifungal drugs like Nystatin that literally cause yeast cells to burst apart. Even though a strong die-off reaction causes a significant amount of discomfort, it is a sign of a successful treatment.

Perhaps one of the most unfortunate aspects of a severe Herxheimer reaction is that it may cause individuals to abandon a successful treatment prematurely. The Herxheimer reaction keeps many individuals indulging in their pro-yeast lifestyle like the withdrawal reaction keeps drug abusers addicted.

An effective means to reduce the discomfort of die-off is to take the supplement compounds listed under "Other anti-yeast supplements," (at left), drink plenty of fluids, and consume 30-40 grams a day of dietary fiber. That will deactivate, absorb and rid the body of toxic debris from dead yeasts...from Candida Yeast Protection Program (http://intelegen.com/nutrients/candida_yeast_protection_program2.htm)
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: here-n-there-a-little November 13, 2006, 01:19:05 PM
Thanks!  The quote from the Modern Herbalist was what I was looking for!
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: maideninwaiting January 09, 2007, 11:56:11 AM
I received my YA and TT-6 yesterday, but have not started taking them yet. I'm actually a bit afriad.  ;) I was wondering, are the die-off symptoms lessened when you take the TT6 with the YA?? And should you take the YA with a meal or on an empty stomach?
The only yeast (that I know of) that I eat is the small bit I use in my fresh ground, whole grain wheat bread. I try to avoid refined sugars and only eat whole grains, no "white" stuff. Is fresh fruits considered "sugar" when you're talking about a yeast problem?
Thanks!
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: lavendergirl January 09, 2007, 01:29:25 PM


Great question, I have YA and TTU8 that i just received and i to am a bit fearful. I also got Supermom so that adds to the detox so it seems ???
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: boysmama January 09, 2007, 02:11:29 PM
Hey gals! Go ahead and start ;) come on... ;D it will be great...
I have gone slowly and had alot of detoxing to do. It can get rough for a few days at a time at worst, but it is soooo worth it. If you don't have big problems you probably won't have too much die-off/detox symptoms. If you have big problems you will feel WONDERFUL the cleaner you get. Just drink alot, etc...and you'll be glad you did this ;D :D ;D :D
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: boysmama January 09, 2007, 02:22:06 PM
Here www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11.0html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11.0html) BeeyoutifulGirl says to take Yeast Assassin and TT together to help your intestines function normally...Anything that helps you eliminate efficiently is going to minimize detox.
We took them both at the same meal ???
Take your yeast assassin in the middle of your meal to minimize any after-flavors ;)
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: maideninwaiting January 10, 2007, 08:07:04 AM
Thanks for the advice! I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to begin taking this while working. Can't help but wonder if I'll start feeling yucky at work and have to leave.  :-\ I may begin on Friday afternoon, with my evening meal and since there is no school on Monday, that would give me 4 executive days to be home. Does it matter which meal you take it with, or in the middle of rather?

About the after taste, I haven't tasted of course sicne I've not yet taken it, but it smells just like Ginger Ale to me!  :D
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: lavendergirl January 10, 2007, 09:08:31 AM


Thanks for the encouragement ;D I started with 2YA and 1 TTU this morning at 8:15 right after breakfast. How soon will I feel detox symptoms? Should i be taking 2 TTU morning and night? I also have Supermom, but I haven't started that as I have 4 mercury fillings and i thought I would wait until the YA/TTU detox symptoms had subsided. Not sure if that is the way to do it ::) We have already gone 8 days without yeast/sugar so maybe detox won't be as bad  ;) ;)


          Thanks ,
           Becky
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: healthybratt January 10, 2007, 09:12:39 AM


Thanks for the encouragement ;D I started with 2YA and 1 TTU this morning at 8:15 right after breakfast. How soon will I feel detox symptoms? Should i be taking 2 TTU morning and night? I also have Supermom, but I haven't started that as I have 4 mercury fillings and i thought I would wait until the YA/TTU detox symptoms had subsided. Not sure if that is the way to do it ::) We have already gone 8 days without yeast/sugar so maybe detox won't be as bad  ;) ;)


          Thanks ,
           Becky
If you've not had any die-off after eating a no-sugar diet for 8 days, I suspect, you'll have little to no reactions on the YA and TT.  If you do, they'll probably be in the form of mild itching, nausea, headaches or lethargy.

Be sure and let us know how it turns out.
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: lavendergirl January 10, 2007, 09:21:29 AM


 Man are you fast ;D That's good news thanks for sharing. I will keep you up dated. Quick question, when should i start adding in homemade,fresh ground wheat bread and honey/maple syrup? Also would you recommend that i just start Supermom now ??? The mercury issue is the only reason I've waited on the Supermom.Thanks for all you do HB ;D Oh yeah this is all 6 of us doing this and hubby has had no reaction, so he wants to know when we can have brown rice?
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: lavendergirl January 10, 2007, 11:15:18 AM


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: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt January 10, 2007, 11:37:50 AM


 Man are you fast ;D That's good news thanks for sharing. I will keep you up dated. Quick question, when should i start adding in homemade,fresh ground wheat bread and honey/maple syrup? Also would you recommend that i just start Supermom now ??? The mercury issue is the only reason I've waited on the Supermom.Thanks for all you do HB ;D Oh yeah this is all 6 of us doing this and hubby has had no reaction, so he wants to know when we can have brown rice?
I would say 2-3 weeks would be a good time to allow back a few sugars so long as their healthy, like the whole grain bread and rice.  The honey, I would pay attention to symptoms and keep it at a minimum.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: maideninwaiting January 12, 2007, 04:24:06 PM
I am posting for support, mainly and reassurance. My first dose (2 v-caps) of YA was taken last night before bed time. I prayed over them first  :D It didn't seem to phase me as I worked today and I didn't even taste the oregano oil. I took my next dose this evening after supper and in about an hour... my face felt hot and flushed and I am extremely sensitve to light (everything seems MUCH brighter than usual and is so bright and I having to squint a lot). My head feels the side of about 20 heads and there is pressure inside and fullness and dizziness (really bad when getting up) and a dull headace. My stomach isn't really upset though. Strange. I plan to take my next dose in the morning and again tomorrow evening at supper time. I am taking TT6 with each dose. Can someone tell me my feeling are normal? Please?  :(
Also, I have been bad and have not planned my diet well before starting the YA. Of all things, my mom had us for dinner tonight and guess what she had? I'm so ashamed to say hotdogs! :-[ (chicken, not pork, but hotdogs nevertheless) on WHITE buns with fries.  :o Could that have affected my symptoms more? Yesterday, I ate more healthy. I did have whole grains only-no white stuff. Will eating less refined sugar/starches make the die-off less severe? I've got a whole bag of lemons. What are they good for? I have a scary feeling that this is only the beginning. How long does the die-off last again? Please pray for me and... any encouragement is welcome. ;)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: boysmama January 13, 2007, 07:14:53 AM
Hi there... sorry you've got the headache  :( I know what it feels like :'(  You're normal. ;) I guess there is a chance you are allergic to something in there. I don't think so but you could keep it in mind...The longest die-off headache I had was 5 days straight not solid pain, but never totally gone either, but that was the absolute  worst...I'd say your worst case senario would be two or three days...depends on how yeasty you are and how much care you take the next couple days. I was VERY careful w/ what I ate, only low-glycemic veggies and proteins like meat and eggs. Steam/fry your veggies in coconut oil if you can. Drink lots and lots of water- a gallon or more. Rest as much as possible- your body has lots to do right now and rest/sleep will give it a chance to do its thing. Epsom salt baths are wonderful, often times my headache would almost fade after a bath. Just get out if you start feeling even worse... and you can skin brush to help keep your lymph flowing... having regular BM's will probably help you feel better... If your having trouble there I'd do something to get it moving ;) You might want to back off on the yeast assassin and take extra TT. Oh and the lemons should help a little add some fresh juice to the water you drink. I'd say 1 lemon for each quart of water for one day and maybe 2 per quart the next... You get through this  ;) and if you are like me you'll feel better once it is over. :) :D ;D YEAH for maiden!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: maideninwaiting January 13, 2007, 02:28:26 PM
boysmama,
Thank you for your kind encouragement! Today has been some better. I didn't sleep a lot, but have done a lot of low key things like baking bread for church tomorrow-which was a bit foolish as I ended up eating more than I should have. Anyway, I have tried to have more protien and less carbs today. I did an organic egg veggie omelet for brunch, cooked in palm oil and an avacado for mid afternoon snack and bites of bread here and there.  :-[  For dinner, I am preparing a romaine and spinach sald w/ a homemade ACV vinegarette. My plans are to try and minimize the carbs and increase the protiens for a week. Do you think by that time I can begin adding more healthy carbs back in? Or should I stay low carb throughout the entire bottle of YA?  :o I do have a concern about the extra fat in the protiens and in the...fats and how that may cause weight gain? But of course they are "good" fats, like coconut and palm oil, virgin olive oil, avacados and olives, etc. Hopefully all will even out. I also think that some of my symptoms last night may have been acredited to the sinusitis I'm fighting. Again, thank you for your kindess! :) Prayers are always appreciated.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: boysmama January 13, 2007, 05:29:14 PM
I'd stay lowcarb for AT LEAST two weeks- and no bread either ;) NO-NO ;D ;D I assume the YA is for yeast and not parasites... Check out the thread on treating yeast and you'll get a full answer on whether you should stay low carb and why.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: maideninwaiting January 13, 2007, 06:39:39 PM
yes, I am taking it because I have many of the Candida Yeast symptoms. I also have cats and I've heard that if you have pets, you most likely have parasites.  :o So... I guess I'm taking it for both.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Mrs. JDT February 18, 2007, 06:59:12 PM
Hi all. I'm sorry if this has been covered already. I searched, but couldn't find anything that mentioned the specific thing we are dealing with. If this is in the wrong spot as well, I also apologize. Here goes:
My husband has very bad seasonal allergies and we thought it might have to do with candida. So we ordered the Beeyoutiful Yeast pack and some Bee Immune and Bee Strong for him. He has been on a low carb, yeast free diet for about 2 weeks as well as taking all the  supplements I mentioned. His allergy syptoms are better (no stuffy nose, no clogged ears or dry mouth and eyes...) but he is having extreme fatigue and aching in all his muscles. At first I thougt it was die off, but it has only been getting worse the longer he is on the diet and takes the supplements. He should be over the die off stage, right? He says he feels like he just lifted weights and his muscles are BURNT out. He is having a hard time at work (he's in construction) because his muscles just ache and are tired, all over. Could he be having side effects from the supplements? Some one suggested taking potassium. Any suggestions? Thanks.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: miff aka Missi February 18, 2007, 07:14:18 PM
yeast die off symptoms thread-

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html
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: CNM2B February 18, 2007, 07:14:47 PM
It sounds like it could be detox to me - I always feel like I've been run over a truck when I'm detoxing.....
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: Mrs. JDT February 18, 2007, 07:25:19 PM
Die off, huh? I thought it was supposed to go away after a few days....he has been doing this for a little over 2 weeks, but maybe he's just super "yeasty".... :) when will the muscle aches go away if it is die off?
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: miff aka Missi February 18, 2007, 07:41:26 PM
Die off, huh? I thought it was supposed to go away after a few days....he has been doing this for a little over 2 weeks, but maybe he's just super "yeasty".... :) when will the muscle aches go away if it is die off?
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.msg1202.html#msg1202
Quote from post- "... Die-off reactions may last from a few days to a few weeks but usually clear up in less than a week. ..."
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Mrs. JDT February 18, 2007, 09:09:31 PM
Sorry, I didn't look at that thread before posting. We'll try some of the suggestions. THanks to everyone, sorry for being redundant.  :)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Linguist77 February 24, 2007, 01:02:31 PM
I've found supplementation of the amino acid L-glutamine to be very helpful for me while yeast cleansing. It protects muscles and can also hel repair your intestinal lining. Here's a quote from a great article on candidiasis:

"One particularly useful nutrient is the free-form amino acid glutamine. Glutamine is very pivotal in maintaining proper muscle mass, brain function, intestinal integrity, and stable blood sugar levels. It is often prescribed to recovering alcoholics by natural therapists to control alcohol cravings. 1-3 grams before each meal is suggested. Glutamine is excellent for helping to heal leaky gut syndrome, a very common symptom of intestinal candidiasis. Also, since weight loss is usual with severe candida infestations, this amino acid helps protect against muscle loss. Glutamine is also very stimulating to the immune system. Do everything you can, then, to acquire it and be diligent about taking it."

http://www.biblelife.org/candida.htm

Hope that helps!

Laura in Poland
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: YoopreMama February 24, 2007, 01:41:05 PM
Hello, Ladies!   ;D

There is another thread on general detox symptoms that may be helpful:

Detox: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,97.0.html

: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: mom24boys March 01, 2007, 11:03:34 PM
I think I have read through most of the posts on yeast die-off and I still have a question.
I have been sugar, flour, potato, rice, pasta, milk, honey, bread...starch-free for 11 weeks.  I have been following an Atkins sort of diet.
I haven't had a yeast infection for over a year and now, suddenly, when I am eating a "safe" diet and have for 11 weeks, I have a raging yeast infection.  It started this morning and I was totally inflamed by early evening.  I have never had one progress so rapidly!
I only suppliment with Potasium.
I am at loss. 
Could this be from some sort of die-off, even after 11 weeks?
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt March 02, 2007, 05:39:20 AM
I think I have read through most of the posts on yeast die-off and I still have a question.
I have been sugar, flour, potato, rice, pasta, milk, honey, bread...starch-free for 11 weeks.  I have been following an Atkins sort of diet.
I haven't had a yeast infection for over a year and now, suddenly, when I am eating a "safe" diet and have for 11 weeks, I have a raging yeast infection.  It started this morning and I was totally inflamed by early evening.  I have never had one progress so rapidly!
I only suppliment with Potasium.
I am at loss. 
Could this be from some sort of die-off, even after 11 weeks?
Are you taking any type of probiotic supplements?  Killing yeast isn't enough.  You have to replenish the gut with other organisms to keep the yeast from coming back.

Also, are you taking any progesterone?  or some other food that might convert to sugar by candida?  This may have caused your most recent outbreak?
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Bek March 14, 2007, 02:28:19 AM
My DH and I started taking YA and the original TT two days ago and so far we have not had any die-off symptoms. We're staying away from all sugar and watching our carb intake very carefully. Are we not patient enough for the die-off or is this a sign that we actually are we not victims of candida overgrowth? We both are currently taking 2 YA and 2 original TT at breakfast and supper. Any thoughts?
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Nickole March 14, 2007, 02:32:24 AM
My DH and I started taking YA and the original TT two days ago and so far we have not had any die-off symptoms. We're staying away from all sugar and watching our carb intake very carefully. Are we not patient enough for the die-off or is this a sign that we actually are we not victims of candida overgrowth? We both are currently taking 2 YA and 2 original TT at breakfast and supper. Any thoughts?

Me too - two days, and nothing.  Maybe a dry mouth though, but I get that sometimes when I drink hot tea all day and forget to drink water.  I would like to know the answer to this too.

   
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt March 14, 2007, 03:52:50 AM
Not everyone will experience die-off.  If you don't notice any worsening of symptoms, that's not necessarily a sign that you don't have any candida and it's not necessarily a sign that you're not healing either.  It really depends on how bad you have it and how well your body is able to process the toxins as the candida die off.  You need to really decide based on the reasons you chose to treat--symptoms and/or possible causes and just be prepared in case die-off symptoms do appear. 

: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Bek March 14, 2007, 04:02:17 AM
Hehe, we must be really tough Nickole!  ;D I wasn't expecting this, and hopefully it stays this way and is just as effective  ;) Thanks HB!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: mom24boys March 14, 2007, 01:44:43 PM
I think I have read through most of the posts on yeast die-off and I still have a question.
I have been sugar, flour, potato, rice, pasta, milk, honey, bread...starch-free for 11 weeks.  I have been following an Atkins sort of diet.
I haven't had a yeast infection for over a year and now, suddenly, when I am eating a "safe" diet and have for 11 weeks, I have a raging yeast infection.  It started this morning and I was totally inflamed by early evening.  I have never had one progress so rapidly!
I only suppliment with Potasium.
I am at loss. 
Could this be from some sort of die-off, even after 11 weeks?
Are you taking any type of probiotic supplements?  Killing yeast isn't enough.  You have to replenish the gut with other organisms to keep the yeast from coming back.

Also, are you taking any progesterone?  or some other food that might convert to sugar by candida?  This may have caused your most recent outbreak?

I have been taking acidophilus but nothing that should be converting to sugar.  I think it was a hormone thing though.  I started my period 3 days into the infection.

I did end up using Monostat for 2 days and taking 3x as much acidophilus.  When my period started, I had almost total relief already so I just let things alone.  I seem to be fine now.

Thanks for your concern.  I'm going to track things closer next month to see what the cause is -- that is, in case it happens again.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: rachel87 March 14, 2007, 02:24:04 PM
I had NEVER heard of Candida yeast or Leaky Gut syndrome.  Reading all of these posts tonight have been so insightful.  I started the TT and YA last yeast after reading information and matching symptoms.   I have been researching the Candida.    It is amazing how so many symptoms/issues I thought were separate may not be:  IBS,  bloating, weight gain, ovarian cysts, abdominal pain.   I just had surgery last week to remove a cyst and he found a large "adhesion" on my lower intestine that had to be removed.   
     It is only 3 days on TT and YA - no bathroom trips, tummy aches - only a difficult time sleeping.

     Many of you are so committed to such a change of diet.  I respect that greatly.... although I am not sure I am at that place in my life... but perhaps.

     Your posts are helpful.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt March 14, 2007, 02:38:38 PM
I have been sugar, flour, potato, rice, pasta, milk, honey, bread...starch-free for 11 weeks...I haven't had a yeast infection for over a year and now, suddenly, when I am eating a "safe" diet and have for 11 weeks, I have a raging yeast infection....I think it was a hormone thing though.  I started my period 3 days into the infection

I had what seemed to be recurrent vag infections during cleansing that turned out to be hormone related.  I have a fibroid on my ovary and for some reason this caused symptoms similar to yeast infections about 7 days into my period each month for 7 consecutive months.  After beginning progesteron therpy, these symptoms stopped completely.  Progesterone therapy is not recommended in the first weeks of candida treatment as it converts easily to sugar, but in the mean time, natural treatments for yeast infections (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,440.0.html) were successful at keeping the symptoms tolerable and short lived each month.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: YoopreMama April 05, 2007, 01:19:34 PM
  All itchers/detox rashers, read!   ;D

Counteracting Die-Off

When yeast cells are rapidly killed by the immune system, drug treatment, or dietary intervention, a "die-off" or Herxheimer reaction occurs. This reaction is caused by the massive release of toxins from dying candida cells. Toxic proteins from the dead yeasts cross cell membranes, enter the bloodstream, and trigger an intense immune reaction.

Yeast Die-Off Inhibits Treatment

Die-off and the Herxheimer reaction occur when a larger number of yeasts die rapidly, releasing toxins and causing allergic reactions. A die-off reaction is especially pronounced when using powerful antifungal drugs like Nystatin that literally cause yeast cells to burst apart. Even though a strong die-off reaction causes a significant amount of discomfort, it is a sign of a successful treatment.

An effective means to reduce the discomfort of die-off is to take the supplement compounds listed under "Other anti-yeast supplements," (at left), drink plenty of fluids, and consume 30-40 grams a day of dietary fiber. That will deactivate, absorb and rid the body of toxic debris from dead yeasts...from Candida Yeast Protection Program (http://intelegen.com/nutrients/candida_yeast_protection_program2.htm)

HB--God bless you for this!  :-* I just got connected w/ this Herxheimer reaction after searching why my extreme itching/rash has persisted so long...after realizing that I had it spelled wrong, I found your post.  Here's some more on it:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html


HISTORY
The phenomenon was first described by Adolf Jarisch (1860-1902) working in Vienna, Austria, and a few years later by Karl Herxheimer (1861-1942), working in Frankfort, Germany. Both doctors were dermatologists mainly treating syphilitic lesions of the skin. They noticed that in response to treatment, many patients developed not only fever, perspiration, night sweats, nausea and vomiting, but their skin lesions became larger and more inflamed before settling down and healing. Interestingly, they found that those who had the most extreme reactions healed the best and fastest. The patient might be ill for 2-3 days, but then their lesions resolved. 

The best assistance for the body is drinking plenty of distilled water (a half gallon a day is recommended).

Other helpful suggestions include:

Getting plenty of sunshine
Minimizing exercise for the detox period
Keeping the organs of elimination (the bowels, lungs, skin, kidneys, lymph) functioning properly
Keeping the diet relatively pure during the detox period so that the body is not loaded with additional chemicals and toxins to eliminate while it is already working hard.
Adding lemon to the water, taking cold press olive oil first thing in the morning, taking sea salt baths and/ or steam baths and saunas, plus liver and elimination system supports can also be helpful, though any herbal supplements should be kept to a minimum and should be very mild and gentle in nature. 


and..

http://www.lassesen.com/cfids/herxheimer.htm:
Treatment (reduction)
Treatment consists of two approaches: improving the blood flow to clear the toxins faster (see vascular constriction), or, neutralizing the toxins (or both)

Probenecid (Dr. Jadin *)
Benadryl (antihistamine)
Therma-Flu or equivalent
Aspirin (Bromelain may increase it!)
Meptazinol 
Increase in blood thinning supplements
Lemon/Olive Oil drink (may be done with water or Grape Juice)
2 Tbsp Lemon Juice (Organic) or 1/2 lemon rind)
1 Tbsp cold pressed Extra Virgin Olive Oil Water or juice ... stir
Concord Grape Juice with flavoids (widens blood vessels)
NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs),
pain medication (see ibuprofen risks..)
muscle relaxers,
hot baths / hot tub
steam (dry or hot) sauna
a saltz bath: add 1 cup salt, 1 cup soda, 1 cup epsom salts, 1 cup aloe vera, to a
hot bath, remain in and keep hot for about 1-1/2 hours all the while consuming
about 2 quarts of warm water.
Hale's breathing
Control panic attacks, anxiety and worry (they constrict the blood vessels, worsening the effect).


Should we start a thread on it?   ???


: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 11, 2007, 10:38:36 AM
I'm on my third day of the diet - meat, green veggies, raw almonds, eggs, butter, and plain kefir.  I've had pronounced fatigue, brain fog, headaches, and now sweating/face tingling episodes.  I'm taking Tummy Tune-Up, Flaxseed Oil/Coconut Oil and Supermom. 

I took odorless garlic for the last 24 hours and I now reek!!  My nursing baby stinks too, I am told.  Of course, I don't smell it myself, but why would Odorless garlic make the whole room I'm in stink??  I think I'll hold off on this for awhile.

I also drank about two gallons of distilled water in the last two days.

Question is...Will this clear up the candida without Yeast Assassin?  Is there something else I could get that would kill off the yeast or will the elimination diet do the trick?

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: hollyolly123 April 11, 2007, 03:18:26 PM
I know acidopilus is supposed to retard candida reproduction, but I'd suggest continuing the garlic if you really want it dead.  Did you all just smell like garlic, or just stink in general?  If you are just stinky, it could be detox.  But if you smell like garlic, I would personally prefer to smell for a while than have yeast.  But my family are like goats, strange tasts and smells don't bother us too much ;D.

Also, did you know distilled water will wash minerals out of your body because it doesn't have minerals in it?  Did you add minerals too it?  Especially since you are nursing and really need all your minerals, you might want to be careful. 
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 12, 2007, 03:12:57 AM
Also, did you know distilled water will wash minerals out of your body because it doesn't have minerals in it?  Did you add minerals too it?  Especially since you are nursing and really need all your minerals, you might want to be careful. 

Would the Supermom replace these minerals?  We have town water, so I'm avoiding the chlorine.  Should I be drinking spring water instead?  We have a natural running spring in our town that anyone can use, but the draining tank is filled with moss, which makes me think their might be a good chance of getting some mold in my water - something I'm trying to avoid with the yeast right now.

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt April 12, 2007, 11:31:28 AM
I'm on my third day of the diet - meat, green veggies, raw almonds, eggs, butter, and plain kefir.  I've had pronounced fatigue, brain fog, headaches, and now sweating/face tingling episodes.  I'm taking Tummy Tune-Up, Flaxseed Oil/Coconut Oil and Supermom. 

I took odorless garlic for the last 24 hours and I now reek!!  My nursing baby stinks too, I am told.  Of course, I don't smell it myself, but why would Odorless garlic make the whole room I'm in stink??  I think I'll hold off on this for awhile.

I also drank about two gallons of distilled water in the last two days.

Question is...Will this clear up the candida without Yeast Assassin?  Is there something else I could get that would kill off the yeast or will the elimination diet do the trick?

Amy
Yeast Assassin and/or garlic would certainly speed up the process but what you're doing should work if you're diligent and consistant.  The probiotics are very important and you may want to begin adding fermented foods into the mix as education, time & budget permits.  Good luck.  Hang in there.  You're on the right track.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 12, 2007, 12:15:20 PM
Thanks, HealthyBratt.  I am on Day 4 and feeling much better today, although my baby's mouth is still full of thrush.  A big plus -- I have lost 5 lbs. so far this week!!

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt April 12, 2007, 02:34:50 PM
Thanks, HealthyBratt.  I am on Day 4 and feeling much better today, although my baby's mouth is still full of thrush.  A big plus!!  I have lost 5 lbs. so far this week!!

Amy
NOTE:  Yeast Assassin is not recommended for nursing moms as it may dry up your supply.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 12, 2007, 03:16:45 PM
So good to know.  I had tried to check into this, but didn't get an answer.  I've been debating whether to go ahead and order or not.  Now I know.  Is there another alternative to kill off the yeast other than garlic?  I am eating some coconut oil (hard for me to get down, so I'm frying meat in it) so the caprylic acid should be a little helpful.

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: hollyolly123 April 12, 2007, 03:41:39 PM
Amy,

You don't live on the Cape, do you?  I'm from there and my home town had one of those springs (with moss).  It was like a drinking fountain on top, with I think a couple of fountains for filling jugs on the side.

You can buy minerals to replace the ones lost in distilled water, but I don't know where, sorry!

Holly
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 12, 2007, 03:50:01 PM
Nope, not the Cape, but not too very far away.  Upstate NY.

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: boysmama April 12, 2007, 04:35:15 PM
So good to know.  I had tried to check into this, but didn't get an answer.  I've been debating whether to go ahead and order or not.  Now I know.  Is there another alternative to kill off the yeast other than garlic?  I am eating some coconut oil (hard for me to get down, so I'm frying meat in it) so the caprylic acid should be a little helpful.

Amy
What if you would do some of the ing. in Yeast Assassin separately so that you could avoid the ones that might dry up your milk. Say take capsules of caprylic acid, oil of oregano, and maybe the pau d' arco...  :-\
I've thought of coming up w/ a schedule of this type for a relative who can't take Yeast Assassin due to severe previous reactions to olive leaf extract... If you do this please post your schedule/amounts and reactions. :)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 13, 2007, 03:22:01 AM
I went down another 2 lbs. yesterday and this morning I noticed that I have about a half-dozen bruises in various places on my legs.  What would that be caused from?

Also, boysmama, I have an appointment next Wed. with an herbologist, so I'm kind of hanging on until I can get her recommendations.  I'll let you know what I come up with. 

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 04:32:31 AM
So good to know.  I had tried to check into this, but didn't get an answer.  I've been debating whether to go ahead and order or not.  Now I know.  Is there another alternative to kill off the yeast other than garlic?  I am eating some coconut oil (hard for me to get down, so I'm frying meat in it) so the caprylic acid should be a little helpful.

Amy

Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant [or Nursing] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: EverLearning April 13, 2007, 08:45:59 AM
O.K., I've read so much I'm dizzy.  Thanks, HealthyBratt for the links.  There were two I hadn't read yet. 

Okay, seriously... we've had several ladies mention having success with sprinkling Tummy Tune-Up Original Blend on their breasts before and after feedings. This seemed to heal the baby and the mama at the same time.

This was super helpful.  I'm going to try this one ASAP. 

Amy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: westernmama September 06, 2007, 05:32:47 AM
I know it's been a few months since this thread was up and running, but I'd like some input from some ladies.  I began the YA and TT two days ago, this is my third day.  I've also been trying to follow the no sugar/no yeast diet (although I did cheat one small time each day).  I'm also nursing a 10mo.  I read that YA can dry up your milk, but that would actually not bother me.  I was trying to wean him anyway - although he doesn't seem to want to give it up.  :-\

I'm trying to decide if what I'm experiencing is die-off or just low blood sugar and what I should do about it.  Several times the past couple days I've felt very wiped out and then this morning I was actually shaking (such as I do when I have low blood sugar).  I made myself a pile of eggs with coconut oil and cheese and seem to feel a little bit better.  I also have struggled with a bad sore throat and draining sinuses/headache - but that actually began before I started the YA and diet.  The children also have the sore throat/runny nose, too.

I've been taking 4 YA and 2 TTU per day along with my Supermoms.  I've been trying to eat meat, eggs, salads with Italian dressing, olives, almonds, and cheese.

So is this die-off or should I add a simple grain to my diet?  I have never done a cleanse before, so this is all new to me.  Any input would be good.  It's just hard to feel shaky and faint while taking care of 4 lil' ones.  :)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt September 06, 2007, 06:09:27 AM
I know it's been a few months since this thread was up and running, but I'd like some input from some ladies.  I began the YA and TT two days ago, this is my third day.  I've also been trying to follow the no sugar/no yeast diet (although I did cheat one small time each day).  I'm also nursing a 10mo.  I read that YA can dry up your milk, but that would actually not bother me.  I was trying to wean him anyway - although he doesn't seem to want to give it up.  :-\

I'm trying to decide if what I'm experiencing is die-off or just low blood sugar and what I should do about it.  Several times the past couple days I've felt very wiped out and then this morning I was actually shaking (such as I do when I have low blood sugar).  I made myself a pile of eggs with coconut oil and cheese and seem to feel a little bit better.  I also have struggled with a bad sore throat and draining sinuses/headache - but that actually began before I started the YA and diet.  The children also have the sore throat/runny nose, too.

I've been taking 4 YA and 2 TTU per day along with my Supermoms.  I've been trying to eat meat, eggs, salads with Italian dressing, olives, almonds, and cheese.

So is this die-off or should I add a simple grain to my diet?  I have never done a cleanse before, so this is all new to me.  Any input would be good.  It's just hard to feel shaky and faint while taking care of 4 lil' ones.  :)
I'm not expert on blood sugar, but I was under the impression that the cure for blood sugar imbalance was not CARBS, but FATS & Proteins.  So if this is true, then I would suggest eating more of the foods you are already eating in case of blood sugar imbalance.  If you are experiencing blood sugar problems or die-off, eating carbs would most likely be counterproductive.

Anyone else tell us more about blood sugar and carbs?

The Role of Fat and Carbohydrates in our Diet (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6625.0.html)
Hypoglycemia (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1419.0.html)
Natural Treatments for Type 1 Diabetes (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,475.0.html)
Natural Treatments for Type 2 Diabetes (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1414.0.html)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: beppyjo October 19, 2007, 07:57:32 AM
Well, I feel a little silly asking this but I need some reassurance that this is really die off. My dh is quite concerned that this is not die off but some sort of horrible allergic reaction and that I should consider quitting the supplements.
 So here is the what has happened.  Around the first of Oct I upped my probiotic dosage and got stricter with my sugar and carb consumption. I am still not totally free of either but pretty close and once I go shopping I should be able to do better. Anyways,as I increased the probiotics I started getting a rash on the back of my ears and on my back. I ran out of probiotics for 2 days while waiting for my beeyoutiful order and my rash got worse. I then started taking Acidophilus Blast & Enzyme Digestive and my rash which I now know is eczema continued to spread. I added aloe vera juice and some pumpkin seeds. I am trying to drink lots of water but my eczema keeps getting worse. My face is covered - swollen, red, itchy, etc.... my back, my scalp, my neck, my chest, the backs of my knees, & my arms are covered with the eczema much of which is open sores (from the scratching :-[) the rest of my body just has random patches. I also have a yeast skin infection in my armpits that just keeps getting worse. I am trying coconut oil on that. This is very discouraging. It is has been 18 days since the eczema started and just continues to get worse. I have been under quite a bit of stress as well, is that why its worse and not better? Am I totally off base thinking this die off? I don't feel like I can go out in public shopping or anything because the eczema on my face is soooo bad. I have tried to perservere but am definately losing everything needed to do that.

 Any thoughts would be much appreciated.... I am at the end of my ropes. :'(

 Thanks ladies.
  B
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: crystal October 19, 2007, 09:16:51 AM
Well, I feel a little silly asking this but I need some reassurance that this is really die off. My dh is quite concerned that this is not die off but some sort of horrible allergic reaction and that I should consider quitting the supplements.
 So here is the what has happened.  Around the first of Oct I upped my probiotic dosage and got stricter with my sugar and carb consumption. I am still not totally free of either but pretty close and once I go shopping I should be able to do better. Anyways,as I increased the probiotics I started getting a rash on the back of my ears and on my back. I ran out of probiotics for 2 days while waiting for my beeyoutiful order and my rash got worse. I then started taking Acidophilus Blast & Enzyme Digestive and my rash which I now know is eczema continued to spread. I added aloe vera juice and some pumpkin seeds. I am trying to drink lots of water but my eczema keeps getting worse. My face is covered - swollen, red, itchy, etc.... my back, my scalp, my neck, my chest, the backs of my knees, & my arms are covered with the eczema much of which is open sores (from the scratching :-[) the rest of my body just has random patches. I also have a yeast skin infection in my armpits that just keeps getting worse. I am trying coconut oil on that. This is very discouraging. It is has been 18 days since the eczema started and just continues to get worse. I have been under quite a bit of stress as well, is that why its worse and not better? Am I totally off base thinking this die off? I don't feel like I can go out in public shopping or anything because the eczema on my face is soooo bad. I have tried to perservere but am definately losing everything needed to do that.

 Any thoughts would be much appreciated.... I am at the end of my ropes. :'(

 Thanks ladies.
  B

Oh, Beci, I am SO sorry you are going through this! :(  I have no answers because I really have no experience with this, but I will pray for you.  I know that there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on here that can offer some advice.  Maybe personal message a few if you don't get anywhere with your post. 

Blessings from your "neighbor." :)

Crystal
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: boysmama October 19, 2007, 09:35:45 AM
Westernmama, I sure can sympathize w/ the shaky "no _go " feeling while trying to take care of kids and still nursing on top of all.
 I actually am of the opinion that it is better to cleanse gently and steadily than to get it all over with at once. It takes awhile to get in bad shape and to try to undo all the damage at once is like trying to clean out an entire house in one hour. Sure you might get all the corners exposed to fresh air and sunlight in one hour but you are left with piles of junk to trip over.  :) Much better to take it one room at a time, get rid of the trash as you go and do the clean up over several days... Admittedly there are advantages both ways, but in your case I would opt to go more slowly. Cut out all sugar and keep a few of the unrefined complex carbs. Do lots and lots of probiotics- homemade kefir (w/ the grains not the powdered culture) being one of the best IMO.  You will have to stay with the program of cleansing for much longer, but your body will handle it better with possibly fewer side effects in long run. The more I study the liver and its function in our bodies the more I believe in slow, consistent change rather than dramatic overhaul. An all ready burdened and toxic liver just can't handle a huge detox effectively.
Make sense?
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: boysmama October 19, 2007, 09:46:51 AM
Beppyjo,
I am sooo sorry for the discomfort you are going through.  :'(
It does sound like severe die off! This is good and bad!  ;) First off try some dead sea salt baths for your skin.  The coconut oil could make it worse if it is yeast because it traps moisture there on your skin which the yeast loves. Check out this thread. www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0html) I would be longing for some full body sun exposure if I were in your condition. Can you manage that? Just get as much of your skin exposed to real sunshine as possible.
I'll be praying for you!
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: Whiterock October 19, 2007, 09:52:19 AM
Beppyjo,
I am sooo sorry for the discomfort you are going through.  :'(
It does sound like severe die off! This is good and bad!  ;) First off try some dead sea salt baths for your skin.  The coconut oil could make it worse if it is yeast because it traps moisture there on your skin which the yeast loves. Check out this thread. www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0html) I would be longing for some full body sun exposure if I were in your condition. Can you manage that? Just get as much of your skin exposed to real sunshine as possible.
I'll be praying for you!

I use coconut oil on yeast rashes with great success. I doesn't sit on the skin but is quickly absorbed for the most part. And it always knocks out the rash pretty fast! I have used a deodorant with tea tree oil in it and it didn't help at all, whereas the VCO always works.

WR
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: boysmama October 19, 2007, 09:59:30 AM
Beppyjo,
I am sooo sorry for the discomfort you are going through.  :'(
It does sound like severe die off! This is good and bad!  ;) First off try some dead sea salt baths for your skin.  The coconut oil could make it worse if it is yeast because it traps moisture there on your skin which the yeast loves. Check out this thread. www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0html) I would be longing for some full body sun exposure if I were in your condition. Can you manage that? Just get as much of your skin exposed to real sunshine as possible.
I'll be praying for you!

I use coconut oil on yeast rashes with great success. I doesn't sit on the skin but is quickly absorbed for the most part. And it always knocks out the rash pretty fast! I have used a deodorant with tea tree oil in it and it didn't help at all, whereas the VCO always works.

WR
OK! I'll modify my statement a bit. It may not be a simple matter of the oil trapping moisture in :-[, but check out the link I put in and maybe the explanations there in the beginning of the thread will show why the salts often work when a salve or oil does not.  :)
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: beppyjo October 19, 2007, 10:34:06 AM
Thanks for the info ladies! I will definately research the link......... I am hoping to have dh get some seasalts today. I hate to go out in public looking like I have the heebiejeebies.  :P  Unfortunately, living on the Oregon coast, I do not have access to sunshine right now or it might be worth it to go out.

WR, how long before you saw any improvement with the VCO? I have been applying a couple times a day and don't see any improvement. So maybe I don't have just yeast as suggested in the link from boysmama?

If the eczema is die off shouldn't it be clearing up by now? Isn't 3 weeks an awful long time for it to just keep getting worse?  ???

 I really appreciate all of the input ladies!!! THANK YOU!
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: Whiterock October 19, 2007, 10:37:34 AM
Hmmm, it usually cleared up for me by the end of the second day.
WR
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: crystal October 20, 2007, 05:20:25 PM
Thanks for the info ladies! I will definately research the link......... I am hoping to have dh get some seasalts today. I hate to go out in public looking like I have the heebiejeebies.  :P  Unfortunately, living on the Oregon coast, I do not have access to sunshine right now or it might be worth it to go out.

WR, how long before you saw any improvement with the VCO? I have been applying a couple times a day and don't see any improvement. So maybe I don't have just yeast as suggested in the link from boysmama?

If the eczema is die off shouldn't it be clearing up by now? Isn't 3 weeks an awful long time for it to just keep getting worse?  ???

 I really appreciate all of the input ladies!!! THANK YOU!

Beci,

How are you today?  Any improvement?
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: beppyjo October 20, 2007, 05:31:30 PM
HI Crystal!  ;)
  Thanks for asking! I am not sure if I am any better..... ??? The sea salt baths have helped the rash in my armpits some but the eczema on the rest of my body (esp my face) shows no obvious sign of improvement. I have increased my water intake and between that and the salt baths the itching is considerably less, it just doesn't look any better.  I went to my folks tonight and they gave me some benadryl that they thought I should try. I am curious as to wether or not this will adversely affect my efforts at fighting candida? ??? My eyelids are horribly swollen and  the rest of my face is somewhat swollen/red/splotchy/scaly/etc......... I am not going to church tomorrow  :'( because it would just be too awkward. I don't want to take anything if it will set my candida fighting efforts back but I really want some relief. Any thoughts anyone?  Thanks!
B
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: crystal October 20, 2007, 05:34:10 PM
Beci,

I am curious.  Is the little guy affected at all by all of this detox?  That is, if you are still nursing.
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: beppyjo October 20, 2007, 05:45:49 PM
Surprisingly Isaiah doesn't seem bothered at all. He has rough skin on his back......it feels rather like sandpaper :P  but it is not red or inflamed or anything. He has had it for a few months. When I first upped my probiotics he got a bit fussy so I dropped my dosage for a little while and then increased the dosage a little slower. He has not seemed to have any problems since, thankfully! Do you suppose that means it is not die off or just that I get to be thankful that it doesn't bother him?
  Oh, I don't know if this is related but the last couple days he has had at least 2 poopie diapers a day where he had been once a week. Do you think that could be related? He isn't sleeping quite as well either I just didn't think about it poss being related to detox!
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: crystal October 20, 2007, 06:07:56 PM
Surprisingly Isaiah doesn't seem bothered at all. He has rough skin on his back......it feels rather like sandpaper :P  but it is not red or inflamed or anything. He has had it for a few months. When I first upped my probiotics he got a bit fussy so I dropped my dosage for a little while and then increased the dosage a little slower. He has not seemed to have any problems since, thankfully! Do you suppose that means it is not die off or just that I get to be thankful that it doesn't bother him?
  Oh, I don't know if this is related but the last couple days he has had at least 2 poopie diapers a day where he had been once a week. Do you think that could be related? He isn't sleeping quite as well either I just didn't think about it poss being related to detox!

Beci,

I would keep a mindful eye on his behavior and physical state.  It may give you some clues about your own condition.  It is possible that he is detoxing, but, of course, being only a few months old, doesn't have as much to detox from. The probiotics might be making him more regular, which would explain his increased output.  JMHO (Just My Humble Opinion)  Maybe someone else has some more insight for you.

Are you going to nurse Isaiah for quite a while longer?  When you stop nursing, you will be able to do a heavier detox on yourself.  Of course, if this is detox, you may have more than you can handle now. 

By the way, what all are you taking for supplements?
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: beppyjo October 20, 2007, 06:50:32 PM
Lord willing I will nurse him until he is a yr............ so it will be another 7 or so mo until I could do anything more major. If this is any indication of what a more major detox would do then I don't think I could handle it!  :(
 As to supplements - 2 ttu acidophilus blast with each meal
                             1 enzyme digestive with each meal
                             2 omega balance 3-6-9 am/pm
                             4 codliver oil at noon
                             aloe vera juice - I try to remember to take it twice a day
 Yesterday I added 2 odorless garic caps twice daily
  I also have been taking 1 ttu acidophilus blast and 1 ttu ultimate defense before bed.

 Sound o.k.? After reading several threads and posting on the cadida treatment thread this is what I came up with.  I just had no idea it would make me so miserable for so long!  :o  whine whine whine ::)
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: crystal October 20, 2007, 07:04:21 PM
Maybe the garlic is what affected Isaiah's sleep last night?   ???

How much longer are you willing to push through these symptoms?  How is your condition affecting the rest of the family?  These are things I would ask myself.  Maybe set a goal of waiting another two weeks and than, if you aren't improving, look at something else, besides this being detox.  Of course, I will say again, that I have no personal experience with this kind of intense situation.  Of course, first and foremost, listen to the Lord and follow your dh's counsel.  I often find that, when I am in crisis, my dh has a much more wise and objective viewpoint of reality. 

Beci, I will continue to pray for you.  I will also share with our Sunday School class tomorrow, if I may.  I will wait for your okay on that. 
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: beppyjo October 20, 2007, 07:41:53 PM
I truly am not sure how much longer I can keep going. Besides all of hte eczema I feel like I am much more emotional. It seems like way too much right now but I really want to be rid of this stuff. We will continue to pray and seek the Lords direction on this. Thanks for prayers and advice!

B
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: beppyjo October 21, 2007, 09:19:36 AM
I did not get an answer as to wether or not benadryl would slow my fight with candida so I went ahead and took 2 last night and 2 this am but am not noticing any lessening of my symptoms. My wondering is if this would confirm that it is die off rather than some allergic reaction?  ??? It seems like if this was a reaction to something in my environment then the banadryl would help at least a little. Am I totally off base here?
 I spot treated my eczema with diluted sea salt last night and this am and took a bath this am as well. I still am not noticing any changes in the eczema. :( 
 I don't want to be a total nag or anything  :-[ but I really want to find some relief and the vast majority of people I know recommend going to the Dr and getting a cortisone shot or something. I REALLY don't want to go this route but am not sure what more I can do. Thanks ladies!

B
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: crystal October 21, 2007, 11:20:23 AM
Have you read the thread on ezcema?  Also, while I was praying for you this morning, the thought about SLS came to mind.  What kind of products to you use on your skin and hair?  ??? I am uncertain about the Benadryl.  Sorry can't be any help there.  :-\  Hang in there girl!
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: boysmama October 21, 2007, 02:24:33 PM
Still thinking of you, beppyjo.
Don't be too discouraged even if this takes awhile. I had die off more or less for months. It would subside only to increase again as I added in other cleanses or changes. I had lots of hives  :P :-X  and some of the" yeasty type"  rashes. Despite it being a very hard time it really was worth it. I feel so much better overall, and lost other small seemingly inconsequential health issues. Even if you have to back off on the regime and take it more slowly don't give up entirely.  :) I think dieoff was long and hard because I had a very deep rooted fungal problem in my body. It wasn't just a simple vaginal yeast or basic candida overgrowth. If this is also true for you the end result will be worth ALL the pain and discomfort now.  :-*
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: beppyjo October 21, 2007, 02:36:04 PM
Thanks for the encouragement boysmama and crystal! I appreciate you sharing your story boysmama as I am pretty sure that mine is deep rooted as well and to know that you think it worth the pain even though your die off lasted so long gives me hope! How long and how strictly did you do the candida diet? I am trying to do low carb, no yeast, no sugar but am really struggling to know what to make. I am also trying to go GF for my 3 yo and still follow NT ideas as well. I sort of feel like there isn't a way to do it all at once when I have so little energy, and the expense...... :o  I keep wandering around my kitchen wondering what to make and if this or that idea covers all of my bases or not. It seems everything has some sugar in it or dairy or etc..... that we aren't supposed to have. I need a chef!  ;D Anyways, thanks again!

 B
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: boysmama October 21, 2007, 04:27:44 PM
How long and how strictly did you do the candida diet?
I was doing this when all the lovely info here on WTM was being gathered  :), so much of my info came from other sources. For instance I didn't know about the no-yeast aspect at first. We had already been low sugar, no processed flours, few deserts as a lifestyle change. Also at that time we could afford very few supplements. Threelac was one that I used for a short time. I was nursing so did not do YA or other herbs at the beginning.
Specific to trying to fight candida overgrowth I would go no sugar, no honey, no bread, pasta, or potatoes for several weeks at a time. Boy that would trigger detox like I could hardly believe.  I ate eggs for breakfast, and rice -meat-veggies for lunch, supper was not so routine but lots of vegtables, homegrown or wild meat. I did use our own raw goat dairy and occasionally some oatmeal and wholegrains. I think the homemade, aged kefir did me lots of good. Not sure if I can remember all the details  :-\ :-[
For me totally getting rid of all symptoms was a combination of changes and many "layers" of cleansing - digestive tract cleansing, liver cleansing, amalgam removals, mineral supplementation, avoiding all antibiotics and drugs, going to more organic and hormone free meat, dairy and eggs...it was not the simple 2 or 3 weeks of dietary restriction. But each thing seemed to make a difference. After amalgam removals I did the MC and that seemed to be the last of it.
I was reminded by your deliberation between die off or allergic reaction that the two, though not identical, are similar. Toxins are being released through your skin. Your body is reacting. Keep drinking lots of water and doing epsom salt or sea salt baths. Things that will keep drawing out the toxins.
If I were doing this over I would think about adding some charcoal or betonite clay to my routine for a week or two and also some blood puriying tinctures like dandelion.
Many blessings to you. Got to run and won't be around for a week or so but know that you are in my prayers and thoughts constantly!

Edit: Well we are at home for an extra two days  ;D so here I am...DH reminded me that I did NOT eat rice w/ the meat and veggies at lunch for several weeks at the beginning of trying to cleanse.
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: beppyjo October 22, 2007, 01:17:01 PM
Have you read the thread on ezcema?  Also, while I was praying for you this morning, the thought about SLS came to mind.  What kind of products to you use on your skin and hair?  ??? !


  I have read most of the thread on eczema and have gone through soaps and stuff today to check for SLS. I am going 'no poo' and the shampoo that we do have is SLS free I don't generally use soap as it dries out my skin too much but will use the SLS free shampoo for my pits and such if I feel smelly. :-[  The only thing in the house that I found that might have it is my laundry detergent. It is a natural brand but contains Sodium Sulfate. Is that the pretty much the same as SLS? ???   
Anyhow, those are my findings! I tried h2o2 in my bath this am and think that it helped so I am going to start alternating between salt and peroxide and see if I can get this stuff cleared up. I think that I am going to scale back my candida efforts just a wee bit too. Baby has been a bit grumpier since I added garlic to my supplements so I am going to drop that one back out.
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: boysmama October 23, 2007, 06:24:09 AM
Edit in my last post!
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: crystal October 23, 2007, 08:56:42 AM
How are you today, Beci?  What are you continuing to do in your cleanse?  Just curious.
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: beppyjo October 23, 2007, 12:32:39 PM
Hi!  Well, I have dropped the garlic but am pretty much maintaining everything else. At least that is the plan. The las t2 days we have been at my folks over for a lot of the day (so we could enjoy this amazing weather!) and so I have missed the noon probiotics. I can't tell that my rash has really changed much......... My armpits continue to improve but the rest of me stays about the same. Certain times of day it looks more pink than red but it always flares right back up. The sun kind of seems to make it worse.  ??? The rashy areas are so dry that sometimes they crack. I just don't know what to put on to prevent that though. My face is the worst, looks lik it is just going to peel  off! Mom and I were discussing though that the worst areas are wear I sweat, e.g. armpits, T-zone, inside of elbows, back of knees. Of course my neck and chest are real bad too. The itching isn't as bad though which is a big plus. I just wish it wasn't on my face! I could deal with the rest much easier. Tomorrow we have play group and I really don't want to go and face everyone looking like this. Maybe this is just a way for me to learn to get over my selfconscienceness (sp?) I am evidently more vain than I thought! What a way to learn.  :(
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: healthybratt October 24, 2007, 06:30:58 AM
It is a natural brand but contains Sodium Sulfate. Is that the pretty much the same as SLS? ??? 
Sodium Sulfate is not the same as SLS and it's not even a detergent, it's a salt.  This should be fine, but of course there's no guarantee. :-\
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: beppyjo November 02, 2007, 07:14:14 AM
I was wondering if die off can present itself as an increase in feelings of depression? or is it only more physical symptoms?
  Thanks!

B
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: healthybratt November 02, 2007, 07:51:59 AM
I was wondering if die off can present itself as an increase in feelings of depression? or is it only more physical symptoms?
  Thanks!

B
I'd venture a guess - yes.  Depression can be caused by candida, I would think die-off could produce the same.  If it lasts more than a week, I might look into other causes.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: momto4girls November 07, 2007, 05:35:34 AM
Here is a question.  My hole family are doing the yeast cleanse.  My kids and I are doing it to support my wonderful husband.  So we are all on the diet, except he is also taking a double dose of the YA and TT.  The kids and I are allowed to have some fruit, where as he is not.  We have been doing this for 6 days straight now.  No cheating either.

The first day my husband got really sick, he had a headache and flu like symptoms, no fever.  The second day he was better.  Still he had a headache and not feeling as well, but not as bad as the day before.  The third day he felt great!!!  He's been feeling great since then. 

After reading all of your struggles with yeast die off, I expect a lot worse from him.  So I'm just wondering if he went through the yeast die off the first two days?  Or what?  Was he not as yeas infested as I thought he was?  Has anyone else had it this easy?

The kids and I are doing great by the way.  We don't even crave sugar.  No changes in behaviour or healthe.  The kids and I are actually quit a healthy bunch.  THANK GOD :).  But really, I expected something else.

Any one have any thoughts?  Please share.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt November 08, 2007, 07:32:52 AM
Here is a question.  My hole family are doing the yeast cleanse.  My kids and I are doing it to support my wonderful husband.  So we are all on the diet, except he is also taking a double dose of the YA and TT.  The kids and I are allowed to have some fruit, where as he is not.  We have been doing this for 6 days straight now.  No cheating either.

The first day my husband got really sick, he had a headache and flu like symptoms, no fever.  The second day he was better.  Still he had a headache and not feeling as well, but not as bad as the day before.  The third day he felt great!!!  He's been feeling great since then. 

After reading all of your struggles with yeast die off, I expect a lot worse from him.  So I'm just wondering if he went through the yeast die off the first two days?  Or what?  Was he not as yeas infested as I thought he was?  Has anyone else had it this easy?

The kids and I are doing great by the way.  We don't even crave sugar.  No changes in behaviour or healthe.  The kids and I are actually quit a healthy bunch.  THANK GOD :).  But really, I expected something else.

Any one have any thoughts?  Please share.
Most likely his die-off is done, but that doesn't mean that his battle is over.  It's a good idea to treat for several weeks to several months and then continue probiotics for up to a couple of years for best results and less chance of returning to his previous condition.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: momto4girls November 09, 2007, 07:38:21 AM
Thanx for the reply healthybratt.

My first thought too was that the die-off is done.  My plan after he finishes the 10 day yeast cleans is to have him take the YA and the TT for the next 6 weeks.  I actually want him to take it for 6 months, but I want to see if he has any benefits at all from the yeast cleans in the next 6 weeks.  It's a lot of money to buy a 6 months supply if there is no results.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: yasmine November 13, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
does anyone know if I am on a yeast free diet and nursing that my baby's excema getting worse is normal? I need help! Is this a possibility? she is 5 months and although she had spots of it before, its so much more pronounced now...anyone? Its been almost two week of no yeast.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Gigi November 13, 2007, 11:15:46 AM
My daughter's eczema always looked worse when it was healing up - know what I mean?  It has to get more dry and flaky and red looking as it gets more dried up.  Is it spreading?  Or are the spots just looking a little redder?  Also, there are several good threads that address eczema - it may not be primarily yeast related - maybe you could see what others have had success with, either with treatments or diet changes.

Are you certain it is eczema?

 
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: yasmine November 13, 2007, 04:32:41 PM
thank you soso much ..yeah it does kinda look reddiish more and she developed a light rash on the side of the cheek on the cheek bone. Im almost 100 % sure it is excema.When I was a raw foody I ate tons of salad and I started to put nutritional yeast on it . YUMMY. then my son started getting patches on the back of his knees and elbows. I cut out the yeast and 3 weeks later..gone. Im hoping your right about it looking worse before it gets better. I will try to add some kombucha tea. is it ok to drink when nursing?Ill check out the places you wanted me to look. I think ive read almost everything the past 2 days. Im still in my jammies and its 9;30 i never changed.

ps what else can excema come from?!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: yasmine November 13, 2007, 05:44:16 PM
wait heres a question, can my nursed baby develope excema  from my die off???? :o like her excema get really bad? If that is true I could treat her topically... :) if its not a possibility then she has yeast... right?  :(

Any thoughts???
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: cecac November 14, 2007, 06:25:13 AM
wait heres a question, can my nursed baby develope excema  from my die off???? :o like her excema get really bad? If that is true I could treat her topically... :) if its not a possibility then she has yeast... right?  :(

Any thoughts???

My thought is that she would not be having detox symptoms from just a diet change.  If you are doing anyting that would cleanse the liver or cleanse your digestion system, then perhaps you would need to consider the possibility that you are letting some stuff out in breastmilk.  Are you using anything that would cause the body to purge impurities?

HTH,
Cara
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: yasmine November 15, 2007, 02:56:31 AM
no nothing at all! just no gluten sugar or dairy at all.  Green tea too .thats it.!


wait,  acidophilus each day a few times a day
 
 One time , the first day I gave the probiotic to  one of my sons and he   a rash on his face and nose, pretty red. Thought it was from the probiotic, hes also the reason we went on the diet he has a lot of yeast.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: yasmine November 15, 2007, 03:33:16 AM
also  am giving the baby a probiotic by natures way! Thays kinda when it started but thats when I started the diet
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt November 26, 2007, 07:55:25 AM
wait heres a question, can my nursed baby develope excema  from my die off???? :o like her excema get really bad? If that is true I could treat her topically... :) if its not a possibility then she has yeast... right?  :(

Any thoughts???

My thought is that she would not be having detox symptoms from just a diet change.  If you are doing anyting that would cleanse the liver or cleanse your digestion system, then perhaps you would need to consider the possibility that you are letting some stuff out in breastmilk.  Are you using anything that would cause the body to purge impurities?

HTH,
Cara
That depends on how drastic the diet change is. 
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: cecac November 26, 2007, 09:00:45 AM
wait heres a question, can my nursed baby develope excema  from my die off???? :o like her excema get really bad? If that is true I could treat her topically... :) if its not a possibility then she has yeast... right?  :(

Any thoughts???

My thought is that she would not be having detox symptoms from just a diet change.  If you are doing anyting that would cleanse the liver or cleanse your digestion system, then perhaps you would need to consider the possibility that you are letting some stuff out in breastmilk.  Are you using anything that would cause the body to purge impurities?

HTH,
Cara
That depends on how drastic the diet change is. 

Yeah, HB's right, sorry I didn't see your reply earlier this month, yasmine.  Those are some pretty hefty diet changes!!  If you're being really strict on that stuff, then you could possibly put your body in detox. :-\

There is a candida yeast cleansing for pregnancy and nursing thread--have you checked it out?  Might give you some ideas as far as diet that could possibly help.  There are some of us who are preggars who are trying to do some of this and work on our diet at the same time.

Also, infant probiotics might help your baby.

Cara
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt November 26, 2007, 06:20:08 PM
wait heres a question, can my nursed baby develope excema  from my die off???? :o like her excema get really bad? If that is true I could treat her topically... :) if its not a possibility then she has yeast... right?  :(

Any thoughts???

My thought is that she would not be having detox symptoms from just a diet change.  If you are doing anyting that would cleanse the liver or cleanse your digestion system, then perhaps you would need to consider the possibility that you are letting some stuff out in breastmilk.  Are you using anything that would cause the body to purge impurities?

HTH,
Cara
That depends on how drastic the diet change is. 

Yeah, HB's right, sorry I didn't see your reply earlier this month, yasmine.  Those are some pretty hefty diet changes!!  If you're being really strict on that stuff, then you could possibly put your body in detox. :-\

There is a candida yeast cleansing for pregnancy and nursing thread--have you checked it out?  Might give you some ideas as far as diet that could possibly help.  There are some of us who are preggars who are trying to do some of this and work on our diet at the same time.

Also, infant probiotics might help your baby.

Cara
If die off is too extreme, you can slow it down by adding carbs back into your diet.  You could eat some whole grain toast or some oatmeal or cream of wheat or some rice to name a few.  I wouldn't go overboard.  I'd go for something non-sweet (to keep cravings to a minimum).
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: prairiechild December 08, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
Yes, candida does develop resistance to many of the things we take to kill it off. There are enzymes that burst the cell walls that it cannot develop resistance to. I think one brand is called candidase. I take the vitacost brand.

Iodine also helps a great deal with candida. I would get some betadine and apply topically as well as take lugol's solution internally.

Here is some info on iodine and candida...

http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962&q=588

Iodine also helps resolve ovarian cysts...

http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962&q=608
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt December 09, 2007, 07:31:07 AM
I would encourage hubby to take cod liver oil and maybe garlic for his cold.  CLO is also good for fighting yeast and leaky gut.  For the recurring skin problems, you might check the fungal/bacterial thread I gave you for some other ideas.  The first thing that comes to mind is salt baths.

No, cervical pain is not normal.  I'm guessing with more time, this will abate also.  Pain is a sign or a symptom that something in the body is not functioning properly.  I think if you keep doing what you're doing, things will most likely continue to improve.  If not on the yeast cleanse, maybe hormonal treatments and dietary changes once all the yeast is gone.

: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Eglantine January 14, 2008, 02:02:01 PM
Okay, I have a question...I'm on Day 5 of the Candida diet and so far, no sign of die-off! I can't ever remember wishing that I would have a headache or some other kind of illness until now! I wish I knew if this were working. I've been taking YA every morning with breakfast and again at lunch. 3-4 capsules each time. In the evening before bed, I take 2 Ultimate Defense (Tummy Tuneup). I have been limiting my carbs to 25g and have had no sugar besides what's in the plain yogurt. Yesterday I started mixing Primadophilus Reuteri in my plain yogurt or in water - 1 heaping teaspoon. Nothing. I KNOW that I have yeast issues - no doubt in my mind. So, what do you think?
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt January 14, 2008, 02:51:52 PM
Okay, I have a question...I'm on Day 5 of the Candida diet and so far, no sign of die-off! I can't ever remember wishing that I would have a headache or some other kind of illness until now! I wish I knew if this were working. I've been taking YA every morning with breakfast and again at lunch. 3-4 capsules each time. In the evening before bed, I take 2 Ultimate Defense (Tummy Tuneup). I have been limiting my carbs to 25g and have had no sugar besides what's in the plain yogurt. Yesterday I started mixing Primadophilus Reuteri in my plain yogurt or in water - 1 heaping teaspoon. Nothing. I KNOW that I have yeast issues - no doubt in my mind. So, what do you think?
I think if you had enough symptoms to believe that you needed to treat for yeast, then die-off or no, you should continue with your plans.  YA is also good for parasites and the rest can only be good for you.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Eglantine January 14, 2008, 04:30:48 PM
I've never had the skin rashes and Leaky Gut problems that I've read about others' experiencing but a whole host of other things have plagued me for 12 years now...starting with my first pregnancy. Looking back, I had many doses of antibiotics from 3 years old and on due to ear infections, then in my late teens I started BC pills and stayed on them for 7 years. Now, it is almost monthly yeast and UTI's.

Why do you think I wouldn't experience die-off? I was actually looking forward to it so I could know that I was being healed from all this. Sounds weird I know but it's the truth. Do you see any holes in my plan? Another thing: I've been vegetarian for 12 years, vegan for 8. I recently started eating yogurt and eggs hoping to address the yeast and even more than that, the monthly migraines. I've been off of refined flours and sugars for over a decade but still have a major sweet tooth.   
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt January 14, 2008, 06:19:49 PM
I've never had the skin rashes and Leaky Gut problems that I've read about others' experiencing but a whole host of other things have plagued me for 12 years now...starting with my first pregnancy. Looking back, I had many doses of antibiotics from 3 years old and on due to ear infections, then in my late teens I started BC pills and stayed on them for 7 years. Now, it is almost monthly yeast and UTI's.

Why do you think I wouldn't experience die-off? I was actually looking forward to it so I could know that I was being healed from all this. Sounds weird I know but it's the truth. Do you see any holes in my plan? Another thing: I've been vegetarian for 12 years, vegan for 8. I recently started eating yogurt and eggs hoping to address the yeast and even more than that, the monthly migraines. I've been off of refined flours and sugars for over a decade but still have a major sweet tooth.   
Maybe with your yeast problems and your lack of eating meats, you lack the needed enzymes to digest meat & dairy products.  Not sure, but I'm guessing you're just not equipped to eat these yet after such a long absence of these foods in your diet.  Maybe double up on the probiotics while eating these foods??  You may be experiencing die-off without realizing it.  It may also be what's causing your stomach upset when eating the yogurt.  Don't be disappointed that you didn't experience it (it can be very unpleasant).  You may have also slept through it.  Usually it doesn't last long if you're lucky.  Just keep going and be thankful.  ;D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Eglantine January 14, 2008, 06:30:22 PM

  You may be experiencing die-off without realizing it.  It may also be what's causing your stomach upset when eating the yogurt.  Don't be disappointed that you didn't experience it (it can be very unpleasant).  You may have also slept through it.  Usually it doesn't last long if you're lucky.  Just keep going and be thankful.  ;D

No stomach upset here...I've actually had cheese and moose meat a few times when a guest in a neighbors home and had no problems at all. Go figure. Well, I hope you're right about sleeping through it. That would be great! It was the confirmation I was after I guess..knowing that something was working after all these years. :) Thank you for responding!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt January 14, 2008, 06:41:11 PM
No stomach upset here...
Sorry about that.  I read a lot of posts this evening.  I think they are beginning to blur together.  ;D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: amy3js February 01, 2008, 07:06:11 PM
I am on day 3 of my candida cleanse (still waiting for YA and TT to arrive but started anyway) and I am feeling not as hungry and not craving bad food as much. Is this normal or am I eating too many carbs/sugar still? A typical day is eggs
salad or meat of some sort
sunflower seeds (no more than 1/4 cup= 5 carbs)
1/2 shot glass of apple juice (necessary to take a NASTY tincture)
chicken or beef, broccoli
1T PB (just peanuts and salt) 1T coco chips mixed together once a day-sometimes broken in half and eaten twice a day. (thanks HB BTW  ;D). Should I cut out the last treat? Its about 8 carbs total. (also butter on my food and supplements) Anything else I should change? I need more veggies, but have to go shopping first.

Edit: I shoud add I am having some rashy/itchy/dry skin things going on. Plus I'm really tired and having tummy troubles, so I know that SOMETHING must be happening. But I really don't want to be feeding these little buggers.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt February 02, 2008, 06:43:30 AM
I am on day 3 of my candida cleanse (still waiting for YA and TT to arrive but started anyway) and I am feeling not as hungry and not craving bad food as much. Is this normal or am I eating too many carbs/sugar still? A typical day is eggs
salad or meat of some sort
sunflower seeds (no more than 1/4 cup= 5 carbs)
1/2 shot glass of apple juice (necessary to take a NASTY tincture)
chicken or beef, broccoli
1T PB (just peanuts and salt) 1T coco chips mixed together once a day-sometimes broken in half and eaten twice a day. (thanks HB BTW  ;D). Should I cut out the last treat? Its about 8 carbs total. (also butter on my food and supplements) Anything else I should change? I need more veggies, but have to go shopping first.

Edit: I shoud add I am having some rashy/itchy/dry skin things going on. Plus I'm really tired and having tummy troubles, so I know that SOMETHING must be happening. But I really don't want to be feeding these little buggers.
  I generally didn't eat chocolate every day (only when the really tough cravings hit), so if you think you need to cut back, listen to your instincts, but if you're symptoms are managable and you feel like you're on the right track, then go with it.  From what you've listed, I'd say you're on a pretty tight carb schedule.  If you keep it up, you'll most likely even lose some weight.  ;D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: amy3js February 02, 2008, 10:07:28 AM
I am on day 3 of my candida cleanse (still waiting for YA and TT to arrive but started anyway) and I am feeling not as hungry and not craving bad food as much. Is this normal or am I eating too many carbs/sugar still? A typical day is eggs
salad or meat of some sort
sunflower seeds (no more than 1/4 cup= 5 carbs)
1/2 shot glass of apple juice (necessary to take a NASTY tincture)
chicken or beef, broccoli
1T PB (just peanuts and salt) 1T coco chips mixed together once a day-sometimes broken in half and eaten twice a day. (thanks HB BTW  ;D). Should I cut out the last treat? Its about 8 carbs total. (also butter on my food and supplements) Anything else I should change? I need more veggies, but have to go shopping first.

Edit: I shoud add I am having some rashy/itchy/dry skin things going on. Plus I'm really tired and having tummy troubles, so I know that SOMETHING must be happening. But I really don't want to be feeding these little buggers.
  I generally didn't eat chocolate every day (only when the really tough cravings hit), so if you think you need to cut back, listen to your instincts, but if you're symptoms are managable and you feel like you're on the right track, then go with it.  From what you've listed, I'd say you're on a pretty tight carb schedule. 

Ya, I probably didn't need the chocolate yesterday, at least not all of it. So I could probably do better there. Thanks for the info, good to know that someone else thinks it sounds pretty low.  ;)
If you keep it up, you'll most likely even lose some weight.  ;D

Yup!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: LoveSunflowers February 13, 2008, 02:51:49 PM
Ahhhh...I LIKE CARBS WAY TOO MUCH TO DO THIS!!! Pheww, I just needed to vent.  ;) I'm on day two of a no yeast diet and did I have a headache yesterday. I actually cheated and had a teaspoon of honey to try to ease the pain. Today is much better but I am much more hungry today. On a daily basis I'm taking my vitamins, a liquid mineral, aloe juice, Super tonic, a clove of a garlic, digestive enzymes, a colon cleanser, and eating homemade yogurt.
I really want to add some good fats like CLO or coconut oil but I just can't stand the thought of taking it not in juice.
Does that sound good? Is it suppose to be this bad?? I read that it will get better but I just need some assurance. My poor son had a cranky mama today and yesterday.
As far as eating, eggs with veggies and lots of cayenne for breakfast followed by a cup of yogurt.
Lunch is usually a little bit of homemade cottage cheese and raw veggies.
Dinner some kind of meat and veggies.
Oh, I'm also cutting out coffee. I'm sure nobody wants to visit me this week.  :D Will a month of this kill my yeast?
Okay, no somebody make me feel better.  ;D
Jess
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: skelliott2 February 13, 2008, 04:16:41 PM
It's so hard to cut out those carbs, isn't it??  I promise you'll feel better soon.  The first few days are by far the worst.  You can do it!!  After the first few days, other foods will taste much better.  I started craving salads.  They are so good with red peppers and sunflower seeds, and homemade olive oil dressing!  If you can figure out ways to eat the coconut oil, you'll kill the yeast faster, so you can add carbs back sooner!  We fry veggies in it.  You can fry things like sliced zuchini breaded with millet or buckwheat flour.  It's a nice change, and gets in that good oil.  Hope it gets better for you soon!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt February 13, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
It's so hard to cut out those carbs, isn't it??  I promise you'll feel better soon.  The first few days are by far the worst.  You can do it!!  After the first few days, other foods will taste much better.  I started craving salads.  They are so good with red peppers and sunflower seeds, and homemade olive oil dressing!  If you can figure out ways to eat the coconut oil, you'll kill the yeast faster, so you can add carbs back sooner!  We fry veggies in it.  You can fry things like sliced zuchini breaded with millet or buckwheat flour.  It's a nice change, and gets in that good oil.  Hope it gets better for you soon!
What she said!  Hang in there.  If you want to cheat a little, a bit of bitter or semi-sweet chocolate won't hurt too much.  Just don't overdo it and also a gob of natural peanut butter often helped curb my sugar cravings.

(gob - that's really a great word, ain't it.  hee hee) ::)
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: LoveSunflowers February 13, 2008, 04:53:31 PM
Thanks, I just took a long, hot bath in Epsom salt, baking soda and lavender oil and feel better.  :D I love the food I am eating, I just miss the other stuff!  I was eating coconut oil before I started this but I look in things like oatmeal and french toast. Sigh...I'll get off my duff and go chug a tablespoon.  :-X
Thanks for the kind words, I'll keep you updated.
Jess
Great word HB but, how do measure the carb count of a gob?? ')
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: westernmama February 13, 2008, 04:58:00 PM
Jess, all I can say is that you're doing a whole lot better than I ever could! ;D  Dh knows how I fall flat on my face when trying to do a low-carb diet.   :-[  Just keep it up - I'm sure you're doing great!
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: healthybratt February 13, 2008, 07:29:12 PM
Thanks, I just took a long, hot bath in Epsom salt, baking soda and lavender oil and feel better.  :D I love the food I am eating, I just miss the other stuff!  I was eating coconut oil before I started this but I look in things like oatmeal and french toast. Sigh...I'll get off my duff and go chug a tablespoon.  :-X
Thanks for the kind words, I'll keep you updated.
Jess
Great word HB but, how do measure the carb count of a gob?? ')
If it's natural peanut butter, I wouldn't sweat it.  ;)
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: LoveSunflowers February 16, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
Day 5 for me and I feel good, I actually have energy. No more headaches but yesterday I had horrible diarrhea. Sigh, at least things are dying. we don't have the money for TTU or YA but I have been eating raw garlic, drinking aloe juice, coconut oil and a bowel cleanser that contains probiotics, some black walnut and aloe. Is all of that enough to kill the yeast and provide enough good bacteria? I plan on doing this for a month. Oh and I drink beet kvass and take a lactic acid supplement. I'd love some reassurance to make sure I am on the right track. Thanks! HB, if you want me to post somewhere else let me know.
Jess
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: healthybratt February 16, 2008, 06:21:27 AM
Day 5 for me and I feel good, I actually have energy. No more headaches but yesterday I had horrible diarrhea. Sigh, at least things are dying. we don't have the money for TTU or YA but I have been eating raw garlic, drinking aloe juice, coconut oil and a bowel cleanser that contains probiotics, some black walnut and aloe. Is all of that enough to kill the yeast and provide enough good bacteria? I plan on doing this for a month. Oh and I drink beet kvass and take a lactic acid supplement. I'd love some reassurance to make sure I am on the right track. Thanks! HB, if you want me to post somewhere else let me know.
Jess
Sounds like you're doing great.
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: ruhamah February 16, 2008, 08:07:00 AM
We are about to do a yeast cleanse and I was wondering can you take motrin for headaches or is that bad?
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: healthybratt February 17, 2008, 04:59:18 AM
We are about to do a yeast cleanse and I was wondering can you take motrin for headaches or is that bad?
As far as I know, Motrin won't do anything for or against Candida; however it can be irritating to a leaky gut. 
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: pljammie February 20, 2008, 04:47:49 AM
Well, we have been doing a low carb diet since Monday.  The children are now CRAVING sugar/bread very badly.  I have a question.  My 9 yo daughter is having the worst time.  She felt bad all day yesterday, but no fever, stuffy nose or cough (flu is going around our house) so I am assuming it would be yeast die off.  I have not given them a yeast killer as my doc would think I was completely insane if I asked for a nystatin script.  So I have just given them probiotics to take and taken out the sugar and most carbs.  I have let them have one spoon of brown rice at supper last night and a half piece of toast the day before and also a small container of yogurt (it did have sugar, but she said it made her feel better), but other than that they are basically eating  meat, cheese, a tiny bit of peanut butter and low carb veggies like lettuce.  This morning my daughter is shaky and a little pasty white.  No fever, cough, or anything else.  She just says she is hurting all over..even crying some.  She keeps asking for scones, muffins, bread etc.  I really didn't think that the die off would be this bad without having a yeast killer.  What do you all think?  yeast die off or she's coming down with some sort of virus?

Any help would be appreciated...I'm feeling like a bad momma.

Jammie
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: morningglory February 20, 2008, 07:05:36 AM
Well, we have been doing a low carb diet since Monday.  The children are now CRAVING sugar/bread very badly.  I have a question.  My 9 yo daughter is having the worst time.  She felt bad all day yesterday, but no fever, stuffy nose or cough (flu is going around our house) so I am assuming it would be yeast die off.  I have not given them a yeast killer as my doc would think I was completely insane if I asked for a nystatin script.  So I have just given them probiotics to take and taken out the sugar and most carbs.  I have let them have one spoon of brown rice at supper last night and a half piece of toast the day before and also a small container of yogurt (it did have sugar, but she said it made her feel better), but other than that they are basically eating  meat, cheese, a tiny bit of peanut butter and low carb veggies like lettuce.  This morning my daughter is shaky and a little pasty white.  No fever, cough, or anything else.  She just says she is hurting all over..even crying some.  She keeps asking for scones, muffins, bread etc.  I really didn't think that the die off would be this bad without having a yeast killer.  What do you all think?  yeast die off or she's coming down with some sort of virus?

Any help would be appreciated...I'm feeling like a bad momma.

Jammie

If it were me, I would just wait and see.  A good investment would be some xylitol, which you can buy from thecatalog.com.  It is super sweet, and it really does take sugar cravings away.  We make mexmarr's coconut oil treats with them, which is coconut oil, carob or cocoa, and a litttle stevia or xylitol.  I've found that if I bring this mixture to a boil, then remove from heat and stir until room temperature, and put it in the freezer, that the consistency is like chocolate.  I've also made lemon bars, minus the crust, with eggs and xylitol.  Eating too much makes you feel sick, but again, it kills the sugar cravings.

Sorry you're having such a hard time, but nobody ever died from a week of no sugar.  Make sure they're drinking plenty of water, as that will help with the die-off.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: herbalmom February 21, 2008, 10:53:51 AM
Well, we have been doing a low carb diet since Monday.  The children are now CRAVING sugar/bread very badly.  I have a question.  My 9 yo daughter is having the worst time.  She felt bad all day yesterday, but no fever, stuffy nose or cough (flu is going around our house) so I am assuming it would be yeast die off.  I have not given them a yeast killer as my doc would think I was completely insane if I asked for a nystatin script.  So I have just given them probiotics to take and taken out the sugar and most carbs.  I have let them have one spoon of brown rice at supper last night and a half piece of toast the day before and also a small container of yogurt (it did have sugar, but she said it made her feel better), but other than that they are basically eating  meat, cheese, a tiny bit of peanut butter and low carb veggies like lettuce.  This morning my daughter is shaky and a little pasty white.  No fever, cough, or anything else.  She just says she is hurting all over..even crying some.  She keeps asking for scones, muffins, bread etc.  I really didn't think that the die off would be this bad without having a yeast killer.  What do you all think?  yeast die off or she's coming down with some sort of virus?

Any help would be appreciated...I'm feeling like a bad momma.

Jammie

Sounds like you are dealing with gluten allergies so they are going through withdrawls as well as die off. Gluten is a potent allergen that can become an opiate in the body & when it does it is HIGHLY addicting. Also, I hate to tell you this but many people that are allergic to gluten are allergic to casein (milk protein) as well. Here are some some links & quotes to get you started on info. Some of what is in the posts won't apply to you but I am on my way out the door so I don't have much time today & they have great info to get you started. They also get into some of the many other symptoms gluten &/or casein allergies/addictions can cause which may be helpful- you may recognize things that you didn't know were related.

Start with this post on this thread & the next 7 posts, they all deal with gluten allergy:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3892.msg81219.html#msg81219 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3892.msg81219.html#msg81219)


As far as failure to thrive if the mom is drinking milk, nursing, & baby is allergic I can second that. Cows milk protein can pass into breastmilk unchanged. My DS lost 2 lbs by the time he was 12 days old because I was drinking cows milk while nursing him. Even after he regained his weight he continued to have multiple health problems & it took us months to figure out what was going on. I personally think it happens much more often than parents & doctors realize. DS is now 21 years old & STILL loses weight when he eats dairy. Another thing is that when he eats the food he's allergic to he becomes a bottomless pit & is always hungry although he seems to be outgrowing that. It seems to be a case of the allergic food interfiring with him absorbing what he eats so it's like he's not eating at all. His health problems & no answers is what got me into herbs, alternative medicine, etc.

Something I would add to this is to treat both you & your DS for yeast/fungus & leaky gut. I didn't know it then but both my DS & I have major yeast/fungus & leaky guts. Leaky gut has a lot to do with allergies. The walls of the gut are supposed to be like a very fine sieve & only let through the gut wall what is SUPPOSED to pass through. With leaky gut (yeast/fungus is one cause of leaky gut- so is repeatedly eating foods your allergic to) it's like the sieve is replaced with a much coarser one- the holes are larger & much bigger pieces can get through- including undigested food.

Another think that seems to be one of my DS issues is gluten. He's now 22 & has been a thin toothpick his entire life despite the fact that he eats plenty. I always thought that there was another allergic food that he was eating but I couldn't figure out what it was. It's really hard to figure out his food allergies because he is allergic addictive & will NOT stay on his diet, he will sneak his allergic foods. I thought about gluten but since he didn't have the typical intestinal symptoms I didn't think gluten was the problem. While my mom was sick this past summer & life was crazy we had a few days where we were out of bread, tortillas, etc & he didn't eat ANY gluten for a few days. Like I said, DS is a toothpick & in those few days he noticeably filled out, esp in his arms which are very thin. Thanks to having read the book   "Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder" by Karyn Seroussi (thanks to WTM) lightbulbs went off in my head & I realized that gluten probably WAS a problem for him. As soon as he started eating wheat again his weight gain was gone in 2-3 days, it just seemed to melt away which was another big clue, esp since his weight seeming to melt away is one of the things that happens when he eats sugar, corn or dairy. None of my kids are Autistic, I just read the book because so many people on WTM talk about it & I wanted to know what they were talking about. I am SO glad I did. It has SO much info that applies to anyone with yeast/fungus, leaky gut. allergies, ADHD, & more- I recommend that you read it.

Our lives have been beyond stressful the last several months- my mom passed away in Aug, we had to move, work, unpacking, house repairs, & all the normal life stuff as well. You can get addicted to the foods your allergic to so giving them up can cause withdrawl symptoms. My family definitely has allergic addictions to dairy,corn & sugar so I suspect they will suffer withdrawls when we go off gluten. With all the stress we have been under we chose to hold off before going gluten free & adding more stress so we haven't gone gluten free yet. I'm still unpacking & organizing my kitchen but as soon as I'm done the whole family (I suspect the rest of the family has gluten allergies also) is going gluten free. Something you might want to look into.

Here is a post I posted on another thread. The thread is talking about kids that are bottomless pits & always hungry but soon of it does apply & the book suggestion do apply to low weight infants also. I wish I had those books when DS was a baby- my learning curve about his medical problems would have been MUCH shorter:

Being a bottomless pit & frequent burping can both be caused by food allergies. The book Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism would probably help. Don't let the title scare you - it has A LOT of info about allergies in it. Also Is This Your Child? by Dr Doris Rapp & any of her other books. Another good book is: An alternative approach to allergies : the new field of clinical ecology unravels the environmental causes of mental and physical ills  By Theron G. Randolph and Ralph W. Moss. It is a doozy title but it is an EXCELLENT book & is understandable.

Another thing that can cause bottomless pit is low blood sugar & the blood sugar swings & worn down adrenal glands that go with it. Also leaky gut, yeast & fungus can all cause bottomless pits as well. Allergies, leaky gut, yeast/fungus, worn down adrenal glands & low blood sugar all tend to go together & set each other off anyway. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

Herbalmom- Thanks so much for that information :) I was thinking of ordering the book anyways, so, I will now. Also, I had just put a call into our homeopath doc today to ask about yeast/LGS. I will definitely touch base with the doc about that! I had suspected it anyway. Thanks again for your input and allowing me to learn from your experiences!

Your welcome. I went though a lot with DS including family & Drs that believed that all his problems were due to a young mom that wasn't taking care of her child which wasn't it at all but since I was 19 & he was my first it was easy to blame me rather than try to find the real answer. I'm glad that I can help & hopefully spare someone else some of the stress & hassle that I went though.

DS's problems were what got me seriously into nat medicine. His allergies cause a lot more symptoms than just weight loss including speech problems, brain fog, mood swings & more but this is the wrong thread to get into that part. I will say that I have no doubt that if I hadn't changed his diet & used nat medicine by now he would have life threatening allergies, probably asthma, & be labled as mentally handicapped or Autistic. He is nothing of the sort, he has been tested & he actually has a very high IQ but allergic foods & chemical sensitivities (which he also has) can affect him that much.

Check out the other books I mentioned also- between all of them you get a pretty clear picture at just how much allergies & chemical sensitivities can mess up your body.

Keep in mind though that many Drs, including homeopathic Drs still don't know about all of this so he may or may not be of help. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom 

Great advice Herbalmom.

Just want to give a reminder that gluten and casein are very similar proteins, so an allergy to one makes it much more likely that an allergy to the other exists.

Also, Seroussi says in her book that gluten and casein probably have an opiate-like effect on the brain, so they are indeed addictive for sensitive individuals.  Hence, the food sneaking and gorging.

Yep, that's my kids to a T. Add in major yeast/fungus issues, the fact that sugar works like morphine in the brain & low blood sugar & you get sugar & carb binging too. I knew about all of this before I joined WTM EXCEPT the part about gluten & casein being so alike & causing the opiates in the body until I read her book. That was a big piece of the puzzle though. Believe me, I don't just give answers on WTM, I have learned a bunch also. Thanks to all that have posted info that helped me. Blessings ~herbalmom

: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: DHW February 21, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
It may not be die-off.  Here's another piece of the puzzle for some who feel awful on a low-carb diet (from www.wrightnewsletter.com, Jonathan V. Wright)

Mood food

Q: After reading your report on diabetes, I got tested for insulin resistance. My results were positive and I tried following a low-carb diet, as you suggested. However, I found that my mood was terrible the whole time I was on it. It got so bad I stopped eating that way. I'd really like to go back to it, though, since it helped my blood sugar so much (not to mention that it helped me lose 15 pounds). Is this normal? And is there anything I can do to prevent it?

JVW: Every once in a while, I come across a patient who clearly has the criteria for success with a low-carbohydrate diet, but who has developed depression -- anything from mild to serious -- while following it. Like you, some of these people are ready to quit the high-protein diet just to escape the depression, even though they feel much better physically. But I usually ask them to try another approach first -- replacing something their body may not be getting enough of.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase "fat and happy." Well, it's not just folklore. The same carbs that make you fat (and contribute to diabetes and other problems) also make you happy. It's simple science: Carbs allow more of the amino acid L-tryptophan to penetrate your brain. The L-tryptophan triggers your brain to make more serotonin, and the serotonin makes you feel happier. But if you're following a low-carb diet, it's possible that not enough L-tryptophan will penetrate your brain, and you could wind up depressed.

The solution can be as simple as taking supplemental tryptophan so there's more of it to penetrate the brain. I typically recommend either 1,500 milligrams twice daily or, if that causes drowsiness (which is rare but possible), all 3,000 milligrams can be taken at bedtime. Just make sure not to take it when you're eating protein. It's best to take tryptophan with whatever small amount of carbohydrates you do eat.

L-tryptophan has been available by prescription for two to three years now, but it also very recently became available over-the-counter once again (as it used to be until about 1989). At present, over-the-counter L-tryptophan can be found in a few natural food stores and compounding pharmacies. But if you have trouble finding the over-the-counter version, a physician skilled in natural medicine should be able to help you obtain a prescription for it.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt February 21, 2008, 02:45:53 PM
Low carb can cause die-off without yeast killers.  You are withholding their food supply and starving them out.

You might try for the carbs, natural unsweetened peanut butter, cocoa and raw honey instead of sweetened yogurt.  it might actually curb the cravings and help to reset her "cravings" correctly.  throw a sprinkle or two of flax seed in the mix for an omega 3 kick and a fiber to help push through toxins.  Here's a recipe I tried the other day.  http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,7472.msg153419.html#msg153419
 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,7472.msg153419.html#msg153419)
Give lots of water and rest.  Keep a close eye on her in case her blood sugar is low or she might be coming down with something, but my first instinct says she's craving what she needs the least because she's fighting yeast.  (hey I made a rhyme.  hee hee.) ;D

Hang in there mom.  Trust your instincts and pray if need be.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: pljammie February 22, 2008, 08:18:40 AM
Well an update,

The reason that my darling daughter was the only one having such severe reactions is that when my son went to Meme's he snuck 4 pieces of toast and ate a sleeve of white crackers...so his yeast were still partying....  After one day without any cheats ds reacted just exactly the same way dd did the day before so I guess hers was mostly die off and I think they are actually addicted to the carb/sugars.  (They were shaking like a drunk)  My littlest has done very well as she is NOT a picky eater at all.  She is happy with chunks of cheese, boiled eggs, meat, cucumbers, lettuce, celery, raw zuchini and just about anything we put in front of her.  In general she has a much more rounded diet.    I did however, cave in and gave them one carbo treat per day (ie 4 whole wheat crackers or half piece of toast, 1/2 a potato turned into french fries and split between all four of us... .o and one time they ate a Little Debbie Oatmeal cookie at a 4-H thing :-[).  Also I've used the yogurt to get the probiotics down, but will stop considering the sugar in it.  I have unsweet, plain yogurt brewing right now.  We had fluffly omlets with bacon last night and everyone went to bed happy and full.  Thanks for all the encouragement.  Tonight we have to eat out...that is going to be hard...however, Meme is diabetic so we'll likely eat somewhere that is low carb friendly. 

Jammie
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt February 22, 2008, 08:40:30 AM
my son went to Meme's he snuck 4 pieces of toast and ate a sleeve of white crackers...so his yeast were still partying.... 
LOL :D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: yasmine February 22, 2008, 09:57:04 AM
  hey there  jammie ! My 4 year old slept for a day and a half, and was pale when he started a yeast free gluten free diet. no sugar, fruit, or dairy, no yogurt, nada just meat veggies and eggs. :o

2 weeks! :D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: pljammie February 23, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
<My 4 year old slept for a day and a half, and was pale >


WOW!  That is good to know...of course, we'll have to keep him from feeding the yeast party for anything that drastic to happen...lol.  The weekends are hard since Meme lives next door... ;D 

Jammie 
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: wendyp March 29, 2008, 04:13:39 PM
Hi All

I'm new hear and so glad that I found this site.  Thanks so much for all the good information.

I am in need of some immediate help/advice.

I have had candida for some time but have basically treated the symptoms with kefir and have changed our diet.  We eat as little processed foods as possible and try to eat at home most of the time. However, we didn't change it as much as was needed.

After a recent surgery, I developed a rash in the groin area.  Very red and ugly but treated with TTO and it went away.  Then my 6 yo son started getting red spots around his neck that we treated the same way and they went away.  I had a red spot on my arm for a while and suddenly it exploded this week.  Very red, very itchy, very swollen, etc.

I had been avoiding the doctor but this was hot and very ugly so went to ER and they of course gave antibiotics and anti fungal.  It has improved but not much.  Today I stopped the antibiotic because I knew it would cause more problems with the fungus.  Now I have broken out into a rash all over my neck, back, arms and my side.  I know that I did not get the fungus all over these areas because I have kept myself covered all the time.   Do you think the new rash could be caused by stopping the antibiotic?  I am showing signs of yeast infection, also.

I am going to start the water cure tomorrow and no sugars, carbs, etc.  Am also ordering the YA and TTU Monday.  Should I also get the A Blast?

I have been on this site all day trying to get info on where to start.  It is all pretty overwhelming right now.  My 6 & 7 yo children will be doing this with me as they also have candida issues.  I am so looking forward to being healthy again.

Thanks for any help/insight you can give.

Wendy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Whiterock March 29, 2008, 04:54:41 PM
You could have an infection and with the sudden spread I'm not sure I would mess around with that. Maybe try GOOT and/or dead sea salt (or Celtic sea salt) solution on it but another doctors visit may be in order.

WR
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: wendyp March 30, 2008, 12:32:41 AM
Thanks Whiterock

I believe I did have an infection earlier in the week.  So I had started on the antibiotics.  I had one day left on them when I stopped taking them yesterday.

I think the reason why it exploded earlier in the week is that I had covered the fungal infection because it was draining.  That made it spread to a larger area.

My thought is that the yeast problems I had added to the use of the antibiotic are why I have broken out into a rash.  It isn't all over my body.  Just my back, neck, a spot on my rib area and the arm with the fungal infection.  It has not spread since last night.  Actually, putting a Kombucha scoby on it makes it better.  Makes it sting when it is on but afterward, the rash seems to diminish and not itch.

I was looking for information on the DSS compress and found this post:
 http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3517.msg156490.html#msg156490

It is similiar to what I am experiencing.  I feel great other than the rash and itching.

I am going to continue with DSS compresses and baths and have started the water cure this morning.   If it doesn't improve today, I will have to consider the doctor tomorrow.   :-[

I have seen GSE mentioned in some posts for use on things like this.  I have some.  How would I use it?  I know it needs to be diluted.  How much would I dilute it?

Thanks

Wendy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: 4myhoonie March 30, 2008, 03:34:54 AM

I am going to start the water cure tomorrow and no sugars, carbs, etc.  Am also ordering the YA and TTU Monday.  Should I also get the A Blast?

I have been on this site all day trying to get info on where to start.  It is all pretty overwhelming right now.  My 6 & 7 yo children will be doing this with me as they also have candida issues.  I am so looking forward to being healthy again.

Thanks for any help/insight you can give.

Wendy

hi Wendy, welcome!  there are a lot of helpful people here and way too much info!!!   :o  it can be overwhelming, but over the years it sinks in and you get things figured out.  HB used the acidophilus blast for her yeast killing regiman and it worked for her.  i am using it now, 4 or 5 a day however many i can get in, and a double shot glass full of primal defense (i think the beeyoutiful name is ultimate defense, but mine's powder--it's 12 strains w/ HSO's) once a day.  the AB is cheap to use in large quantities.  also, i just keep the TTU on hand for stomach ailments, diarreah and making yogurt.  i am looking for company on the threads that deal with food for the no sugar/carb diet so post your new and interesting things to eat here!!!

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.90.html

see you around!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt April 01, 2008, 05:37:09 AM
As a courtesy to the member who started this thread and those participating in the conversation and to keep subjects more organized and easier to find, please attempt to stay on topic as much as possible.  This thread is about die/off symptoms not treatment methods for candida.

If the conversation triggers a new subject of interest, please search the forum for a more appropriate thread for the discussion. 

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html
 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
When one cannot be found, start a new one.

If you'd like to have a more personal conversation that would otherwise derail the topic, please take advantage of your ability as a forum member to send personal messages (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,181.0.html).

Thanks.

~hb
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Gods_child April 28, 2008, 05:37:53 PM
Okay, I have a question... or two. I've read how good it is to eat fermented milk products while on this yeast diet/cleanse but I am allergic to dairy. Can I still have the plain yogurt and kefir? I believe I am lactose intolerant, so when the dairy is fermented, is there still lactose in it? And am I allowed to have it in that form? Also...can I have goat's milk? Is that considered dairy? Does it contain lactose? Sorry if this sounds silly...I'm a beginner! Any help would be very helpful as I am on the 4th day of this candida cleanse/diet. I am taking yeast assasin and tummy tuneup following the instructions on the bottle, is this correct? And ofcourse...watching my food intake! Thanx!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: naturalgirl April 30, 2008, 04:08:52 PM
Yogurt and other fermented milk (including goat) is a wonderful thing to have even if you have had an alergic reaction from milk products in the past... in my experience, anyway. You might try a bit and see if you have any reactions if in doubt.

I too have a question. Is it a good idea to eat less when on the diet? I find that since I started working towards eating low carb/sugar free, I am more tempted to avoid eating food period than eating the "good stuff". Should I be making myself eat more, even if it is repugnent to me? I know I can, if it is better...
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: pljammie May 01, 2008, 03:17:46 AM
.... I believe I am lactose intolerant, so when the dairy is fermented, is there still lactose in it? And am I allowed to have it in that form? Also...can I have goat's milk? Is that considered dairy? Does it contain lactose? Sorry if this sounds silly...I'm a beginner! Any help would be very helpful as I am on the 4th day of this candida cleanse/diet. I am taking yeast assasin and tummy tuneup following the instructions on the bottle, is this correct? And ofcourse...watching my food intake! Thanx!

Goat's milk does contain lactose.  Fermented products do to, unless you drain the whey off.  In the process most of the lactose will end up in the whey.  My son cannot have cow's milk and we thought it was a lactose issue.  However, he is fine with raw goat's milk.  It seems his problem had to do with the size of the protein in the milk rather than the lactose.  You might just try some goat milk and see how you react.  I'd go completely dairy free for 4 days first to get a clear indication of how you react to the goat milk.  This way you will know for sure you are reacting to the goat milk, not other dairy that was still in your system.  Also, if you can find fresh goat milk it is much better tasting than the store bought kind.  It's enough better, that I milk a goat. ;)

Jammie
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: momto4girls August 01, 2008, 03:45:57 PM
Is it possible for probiotics to cause die-off?

Can you take enough probiotics to over power the yeast in the gut WITHOUT taking any kind of yeast killing supplements of any sorts? That also includes NO diet change.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt August 02, 2008, 03:54:53 AM
WITHOUT taking any kind of yeast killing supplements of any sorts

Probiotics do kill yeast.
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: created2worship January 17, 2009, 08:17:30 AM
I just finished a 4 day 4 night Candia/toxin Cleansing fast (water only). A little more info: I had been struggling with candida symtoms, and troubles with my eyes feeling achey, burning/hot, and not being able to focus as well as inability to think clearly or focus. I decided to do a 5-7 (didn't make it that long) day water fast to try and fluch out my gut and start building it back up.

Day One: Detox was OK, headaches, hunger pains, "fuzzy" feeling, and tierd/not wanting to focus eyes,  but I was able to put in 7 hours at work...

Day Two: Detox a little worse, just headaches, weak achey muscles and some eye tierdness, went to work for 7 hours again

Day Three: Felt pretty good! Just tierd and a slight headache. Went out to eat with my family at a mongolian bbq and didn't even feel hungry. Went out house hunting with my oldest sister in the below 0 weather... Decided to do an enema when I got home bcause I felt like there was still some junk in my colon and I wanted to be ALL cleaned out. I did 2 in a row, and it wasn't coming out clear after the second, but I felt SO weak that I decided I needed to stop.

Day Four: Was torture! I had a low grade fever, white coating on my tounge, metalllic taste in my mouth, nausea, acid reflux ( tasted bile in my mouth), and extreme tierdness/weakness/acheness. Alot of troubles with my eyes, too. Spent the entire day in bed.

Day Five (today) Woke up feeling alot better ( no nausea, acid reflux or aches), but was feeling very weak and had a headache. I decided that I needed to eat, as I was getting really scared- having a hard time breathing, feeling dizzy and blacking out if I wasn'e laying down, feeling like I was going to faint, etc. I had a cup of juice and a little later on some veggie broth. Both felt great on my tummy, and within a few minutes after drinking the juice my headache dissapeared. I also took some probiotics. Still in bed, really weak tho.

ANYWAY, Here is my question: I still feel like I wasn't done detoxing, yet I HAD to stop or I would have ended up hurting myself. Any suggestions for A) continuing to cleanse my system while still eating and B) lessening the detox symptoms so I can function again?

TIA! (hopefully I put this in a good place, I just couldn't seem to find a thread that it fit in well...
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: pljammie January 25, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
Healing Naturally With Bee 9-day Diet for severe detox

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig6.php (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig6.php)

You might try this diet.  It is supposed to minimize the die off.  I have found that after my first really bad die off the rest has not been as bad.  When I first feel die off symptoms due to increase in antifungals, I immediately take Vitamin C and often have a bath with epsom salts.  I also have increased the antifungals very slowly and gradually in order to not have such severe die off again.  I did not want to be that sick again.  My understanding is that it will take one month of healing for every year of candida overgrowth symptoms. So for me, I expect it to take 7 months or more to heal from candida overgrowth.  (probably longer due to my cheating on the diet..lol)
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: visionarymom March 05, 2009, 11:22:21 AM
So, by extreme fatigue, does it mean that you feel like you can barely walk because your feet feel like lead? I'm having a hard time carrying my one yo son! Every time I try the candida diet, this symptom happens, and it seems to keep getting worse as the days pass. 6 full days is the longest I've made it without stopping, and usually, my hubby tells me I look horrible and should stop. I was thinking it might be a potassium deficiency, but yesterday took 2 grams of potassium chloride with NO change!!! Might this be something other than die-off?
-visionarymom
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Whiterock March 05, 2009, 02:30:30 PM
Yes, that's what my fatigue was like. If it happens everytime you try to get rid of your candida, then it's probably die-off. The other thing to consider, is whether you are taking anything that you may be reacting to.

Look for things to reduce die-off symptoms. Make sure your bowels are moving so the toxins are leaving and not just sitting there. Taking psyllium/plantain seeds, helped me. So did taking cayenne. I'm sure there are other things that ease the symptoms, I just don't know them off the top of my head. Maybe someone else can help.

WR
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: wlwest March 26, 2009, 04:36:30 PM
Ok, I just started this diet/cleanse today, is it possible that I would be feeling the effects already?  How would I know since I was feeling bad before i started?  Right now I have a migraine, upset tummy.

I started taking yeast assasin too.  i wasn't sure if I was supposed to start taking that so soon?  Anyway, i don't even think i ate everything I was supposed to today, eggs w/onions for breakfast, brown rice with onions, tomato paste, chili powder, cayenne pepper, garlic powder, sea salt, and put that on a tortilla.   Chicken for dinner, with salad, with homemade dressing, with some braggs apple cider vinegar.  now, I know i haven't had any sugar today, that's probably the only thing I did right.  ::)

I know I really crave sugar, esp since we have maple syrup boiling all over around here!  I do get cranky if I don't have sugar.

So, am i just having my normal headache, aches & pain problem that brought me to do this candida diet, or is it die off?

thanks,
wendy
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: Mamatoto March 26, 2009, 06:58:58 PM
I had a bad cold and was feeling icky before I started my cleanse, so I understand now knowing what to blame your symptoms on.  You may never really know for the first few days/weeks whether it's the cleanse or the lingering sickness or a combination of both, but for me there came a point where I knew my symptoms changed for the worse and I officially blamed the candida.  I think I wrote a little bit about it on the "Daily Log" thread while I was going through it.  I look forward to you joining Jemima and me on the "Daily Log" thread - you may want to read the past week and half or so of posts on that thread to catch yourself up on both of our treks, plans, questions, etc.  Best of luck tomorrow!
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: healthybratt January 20, 2010, 03:16:34 PM
new ideas to reduce die-off symptoms

http://bulkherbstore.blogspot.com/2010/01/herxheimer-reactionthe-dreaded-die-off.html   ;D
: Re: Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction
: jkchaffin October 13, 2010, 03:30:49 AM
Three Lac suggests Activtated Chacoal.