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: Unnassisted home birth
: Maria/NHM April 27, 2006, 05:54:45 AM
For those of you who have had an unassisted home birth, what supplies would you recomend having on hand. I'm getting ready to order a few things from birthwithlove
but thought it might be nice to hear others advice before I placed my order.

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: lewisquiverfull April 27, 2006, 06:45:23 AM
I was not unasissted, my midwife was just late. But, everything I needed, I bought from Wal-Mart. Here is a list of the things I remember off hand:

peri bottle (squirt bottle)
peroxide
Large Chux Pads, to put on bed
Diaper-like pads for soon after you birth
clear plastic paint tarp (if you don't want your carpet stained if you stand up during delivery)  ;) (the best way in my opinion)
Nose sucker for baby
olive oil for perinium
Clean and warm towels for baby
crackers and juice for mom if blood sugar gets low
tylenol
lots of meals frozen ahead of time!

My midwife gave me the cord clamp ahead of time, I don't know if you have one available, you might have to order that. I stayed in my warm bathtub until I was ready to push, then I stood up next to my tub to push baby out. That worked best for me on the last two babies. So, I didn't use many things, other than a floor covering and what was needed for me after I birthed.
You might want to have some herbs on hand that you know will be handy if something comes up. Also, we had oxygen available just in case. But it was never needed.
I don't know if you'll use the eye drops, vit. K, etc. We had it from our midwife but never used it. Hope this helps and may God bless you on this Miracle!!
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: mrsroeser April 27, 2006, 06:48:55 AM
My homebirth was with a midwife.. but I would get a bulb syringe for suctioning their mouth and nose.... lots of those blue pads for easy clean up... some herbal sitz bath for you (that was a Godsend!!!).. hmmmm.. do you have a thermometer to check his/her vitals in the first 24hrs? ... let's see what else... a cord clamp and scissors? i know there are some herbal tinctures that you can take to stimulate uterine contraction in case of hemmorage.. I took some to help birth my placenta after 45 minutes of not having any contractions after baby was born.. That helped it right along.. hmmmm.. I'll think on it.. how exciting for you!! When are you do????  Keep us updated!!
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: Bethany April 28, 2006, 06:03:32 AM
Another excellent birth supply source is http://www.inhishands.com They are a Christian company, and have outstanding service. We use them for all of our birth kits, but they stock supplies for individuals as well. If you have any special needs (such as no latex), they are great with working something out that meets your needs.
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: Mamatutu April 28, 2006, 06:10:11 AM
While we're on the topic... what books or other sources do you reccommend for unassissted homebirths? We've had two wonderful homebirths with a midwife and I'd like to go it alone next time. I know my husband would be more comfortable 'knowing' more beforehand. Any suggestions?
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: Bethany April 28, 2006, 06:15:25 AM
The one that Bekah mentioned on another thread Heart and Hands is excellent.
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: mamasboys April 28, 2006, 06:30:29 AM
I hate to be the wet blanket here, but I would say to educate yourself as well as possible to handle possible complications.  My son was born at home with the cord around his neck.  He failed to breathe and had to be artificially resecutated (sp?) by our midwife.  If we had been alone, I don't know that he would have made it - he was already purple when he came out!  She was totally in control but I saw her getting nervous and she kept telling me to talk to my baby and let him hear my voice.  She had lots of equipment with her to handle such a case but if we were alone, we wouldn't have had access to all the tubes and suction and oxygen that she had.
I don't want to scare anyone - God is totally in control and if He is leading you to have an unassisted birth, then what better attendant can you have than the creator of your baby?  But it also pays to be prepared for any one of the numerous situations that could arise.
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: SC January 10, 2007, 06:28:54 AM
I've been having a "purgefest" at my house, going though old papers and such (pray for dh  ;))

In the process, I found my old birthing supply list. Thought it might be helpful to some of you.

1 oral thermometer for mother
1 rectal thermometer for baby (or just one thermometer with probe covers)
1 bottle of isopropyl alcohol
1 ear bulb syringe (2 oz. or 3 oz. capacity)
2 plastic squeeze bottles or peri irrigation bottles (8 oz capacity)
1 box overnight maxi sanitary napkins (unopened box)
1 bottle Betadine antiseptic (8 oz minimum)
2 dozen STERILE 4" x 4" gauze squares (Steri-Pads, Topper Sponges, etc.)
1 box STERILE cotton balls
1 tube STERILE lubricating jelly ("KY," "HR," etc.) or unopened bottle of vegetable oil

2 STERILE PACKS for use at delivery:
Directions: Place 4 towels (or equivalent absorbent cloths) in the bottom of a large paper grocery bag with 1 washcloth on top. Seal bag closed with tape. Put in 200 degree oven with a pan of water underneath them and bake for 2 1/2 hours. Store packages unopened.
Do this no more than 1 month before expected due date.


18+ disposable underpads (large size 24" x 36")
1 shallow basin or pan for placenta -- plastic dishpan works well
1 crock pot -- for warm compresses
1 extension cord for crock pot
1 flashlight -- with new batteries
1 roll paper towels
4 washcloths
1 hot water bottle or heating pad -- to alleviate back pressure during labor
1 disinfectant (like lysol) for bathroom area
2 phone number cards (keep one by your phone and one in car or purse -- include numbers of all members of your birth team as well as emergency numbers)
1 enema bag or "Fleet" saline enema
1 medium or heavy weight plastic sheet for mattress protection
1 plastic to cover floor if you have carpet, etc. (shower curtain or drop cloth will do here)
1 roll duct tape for securing plastic
4+ pillows, and plastic bags or zipper cases to cover them
plastic bags for trash, and laundry
planned lighting -- plenty of light
appropriate food and beverages for laboring mother
watch or clock set to the accurate time
4+ receiving blankets
2 cotton hats for baby
1-2 Hot/Cold soft gel packs (approx 5" x 10")
flexible straws
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: YoopreMama January 10, 2007, 08:34:51 AM
We used Bach Rescue Remedy during transition, and the ice packs on me afterwards that are like sanitary pads...crack/twist them and they're cold. I also ordered herbal sitz baths (loved the midwife's garlic one)...and we have a sitz bath (bought from Shopko, I think for $10)..the seat that sits on the toilet and has an IV bag/tube to run hot water through...WONDERFUL.  ;D I used the herbs there, too.  And a goldenseal salve...I used this website:

http://www.1cascade.com/category.aspx?categoryID=1034&gclid=CODOjMq91okCFR45UQodLFt4zQ

I liked reading "A Baby Catcher" and "Born in Zion"....and "Birthing from Within".  (I had a C/S w/ #1, so I also read a VBAC book).  Didn't agree w/ everything in the books, but they gave me the frame of mind that birth is natural.  The Bradley book was invaluable, especially for teaching me the emotional signposts of labor...knowing that when I hit "the wall" where I thought I'd die, that the baby wasn't far off!   ;)

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: lotsagirls January 10, 2007, 08:58:17 AM
Shonda Parker has a sight where you can purchase supplies.  You can purchase just the things you want or you can purchase a birth kit.  That's where I got my birth kit...my midwife has her own specialized kit through this web site.  I also picked up a few other things not included in the kit (i.e.  sitz bath, some salves, and oils, etc).  The web site is... birthsupplies.com.
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: chrysalyde January 10, 2007, 09:46:53 AM
I have an (un)related question... why do you want to have an unassisted childbirth ? I could understand maybe if someone is in great financial need and can't afford having a midwife, but if you can afford to pay one (or have insurance that covers it), isn't it safer, just in case of an emergency ? Just curious.
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: mommie January 10, 2007, 11:20:48 AM
inhishands.com is where we got all our stuff for our first birth...unassisted...our secoond we had a midwife and just got our midwife's birth kit from midwifesupplies.com   
Good books:
Emergency Childbirth : A Manual by Gregory White  is a great book meant for like Police officers and such, Christian Midwifery by Betty A. Peckman is excellent book from a christian standpoint...lots of scriptures and of course midwife info...it is verrry hard to get but I think Inhishands.com still sells copies for like $40...I just checked amazon and it was $95!! Another one that my husband really appreciated and my dad used before deliverying my two younger sisters was Special Delivery by Rahima Baldwin. Someone else on here had mentioned Heart and Hands and that is very good as well.
Also a random weird tip I learned from my midwife that I had not read in any of the books was...I had a slight hemmorage and she gave me pitocin...but I asked her what if she weren't there she said worse case senario take a bite of the placenta...it would do the job just like the pit...now I would really have to be in a tight spot to do that...but hey if it would save my life that would be great...so just a random thing about one complication that may come up that most people think you need a midwife there for.
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: harmony February 21, 2007, 05:56:45 PM
I had 4 unassisted home births. My reason is a previous c-section & 2 hospital VBAC's. In my state midwives are not allowed to catch VBAC babies at home. I was not willing to go to the hospital again except in an emergency. I had good prenatal care and prayed continually that if God wanted me to go to the hospital, He'd show me. We used emergency childbirth books/charts as our guide. After the birth of my last child, 5 years ago, hospitals here stopped doing VBAC's (with the exception of 2 and they're 120 miles away). By the grace of God we did it! I'm a student midwife now. I joke with DH that it's not fair that he got to catch 4 babies and I haven't caught any, yet!
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: joeswife February 21, 2007, 07:45:54 PM
I have not had an unassisted birth, but I have had three home births. I think I would like to have a Doppler on hand if I ever do it unassisted. Just for peace of mind.

blessings to you!
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: busymomma February 22, 2007, 03:59:11 AM
I had a homebirth with my last DD, almost unassisted, the midwife got there as she was crowning!  I don't think I would feel comfortable planning to do an unassisted birth.  I guess I have seen the complications as an labor and delivery nurse.....things do happen!  My mother delivered several babies on the missionfield and one of our teachers' wife was hemmorhaging and almost died when they took her 1 1/2 hrs to the hospital.  I do have a friend that has had 11 of her 12 kids at home and several of them were unassisted, basicly for finacial reasons I think.  I know her last 2 she had a midwife.

I ordered my homebirth supplies from In His Hands also and they were great!  I got some good info from the mothering.com forums Here is a link to the UC forum. http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=306 Some if it is definitely "New Age"ish. Midewifery Today also has good homebirth stuff. I would definitely recommend if you educate yourself and your husband on the complications that can happen and ways to treat it.  I know women have been having unassisted births since Eve, but women and infants have also died in childbirth.  I don't want to scare you out of having one......just so you will educate yourself and be prepared for what can happen.
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: ForeverGirl February 24, 2007, 09:07:15 AM
I have an (un)related question... why do you want to have an unassisted childbirth ? I could understand maybe if someone is in great financial need and can't afford having a midwife, but if you can afford to pay one (or have insurance that covers it), isn't it safer, just in case of an emergency ? Just curious.

The reason to have an unnassisted homebirth is purely personal. Some of us like privacy and control over our situation. (It is also possible to find a midwife that is very "hands-off" and will let you and your hubby have as much control as you desire.)
Some of us live in areas where there are no midwives, or very few, or very expensive, or...
Some of us have husbands that are (for whatever reason) medically inclined and want to deliver their own children. This is not more "right" or better - it's just a fact of human variety.
Some of us are the crazy, pioneering types that have to be different even if it means moving to the moon. Why? Just to put it on record that it can be done.

As far as "safer" goes: If you have educated yourself as to the possibilities, and the proper responses to various situations, you should have the same "safety" a midwife would provide - the ability to transport to ER in case of a life-threatening situation.
However, statistics are overwhelmingly in favor of homebirths. The countries that routinely practice homebirths have very low infant mortality rates in comparison to America's statistics: http://www.texasmidwives.com/Safety_stats.htm

I think midwivery is a WONDERFUL calling - a blessed work, and I dearly appreciate the midwives I know. I'd recommend having a midwife rather than going it unassisted - unless your husband wants to deliver his own children.

You should have your baby in whatever environment and with whatever medical help you and your husband are comfortable with. It's your business, your baby, and your call.

Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told, and has been a thrilling and bonding experience for both my husband and I. With just the two of us, I feel free to pray out loud at the top of my voice (or scream as the case may be), *dress* comfortably, do whatever is comfortable, and be in my own surroundings. If I had a medical condition, we'd make the appropriate adjustments.

I have many of the items mentioned above, but to summarize the few that I have always used, and find neccesary:

Tub
Bowl
Scissors
Cord clamp
4 cotton blankets
4 towels
stretchy baby hat, onesie, daiper, 2 pairs of socks
Herbal sitz bath for me.
Nightgown that opens for nursing
Camera
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: chrysalyde February 24, 2007, 10:20:04 AM
I have an (un)related question... why do you want to have an unassisted childbirth ? I could understand maybe if someone is in great financial need and can't afford having a midwife, but if you can afford to pay one (or have insurance that covers it), isn't it safer, just in case of an emergency ? Just curious.



Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told, and has been a thrilling and bonding experience for both my husband and I. With just the two of us, I feel free to pray out loud at the top of my voice (or scream as the case may be), *dress* comfortably, do whatever is comfortable, and be in my own surroundings. If I had a medical condition, we'd make the appropriate adjustments.



Wow ! I was about to write and ask you if the fact there was no doctor or midwife there on your last delivery an accident or a chosen situation, and if your other children had been born the same way or not, and here I have the answer !
By the way, I do want to join all the others in congratulating you on such a wonderful news !

Unassisted childbirth sounds beautiful when you have such success stories, I guess after my own experience it just scares me and I wonder why anybody would take a risk. I had a major hemorrhage after my second completely natural childbirth (no IV, no pitocin, no epidural, labor in a hot tub, freedom to eat and drink during labor, no episiotomy, cord cut after it stopped beating, etc. etc.) and I just don't know what would have happened had I not been in the hospital, especially since I was blissfully nursing my baby and didn't even notice how much I was bleeding. Maybe one day though, when I have enough faith AND we are educated enough as you say !

I can understand how saving $20,000 might be a convincing argument on gearing up for an unassisted homebirth ! My goodness, I really can't complain when it cost me 200euros to have the only doctor I've heard of who will let me give birth as naturally as I want !

I do have a question. Did you tear for any of your births ? If so, what did you do ? Did your husband sew you back up ? If not, had you done something to prevent that ?

Once again, congratulations for that cute little boy !
Chrysalyde 
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: mommie February 24, 2007, 05:41:32 PM
well this q wasn't to me but I have an answer from my experience...first of alll if you hemmorrage with no assistance take a bite of your placenta ut should fix things right up...from what i've been told...thankfully for thayt birth I had a midwife and she gave me a sot of PIT so I didn't have to try it. With my first (w/ just hubby and friend, we had some herbs  I took...I wasn't bleeding as much though...anyways as far as tears go ... with my unassisted just a skid mark...healed up with just keeping my legs closed and resting...we did perinial massage starting at 34 weeks I think and had hot rags and olive oil during birth. He was 9 lbs and I am really tiny...with my second we did perienial massage starting at 35 or 6 I tjink and not as consistently...we had hot rags and olive oil as welll and I probably wouldn't have torn at all  (she was 9 4 ) except that she had shoulder dysticia and the midwife was working hard  to get her out ... the tear was right were she was pushing down to get her out they said. it still wasn't a bad tear and we just let it heal on its own....You can alays work with a modwife who will do a sewing or post birth visit if need be. Mine does that for lots of unassisted births. although suturing isn't difficult...my hubby learned but he was nervous to try it out on me... :)
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: KatieMac February 24, 2007, 08:50:42 PM
My midwife has all her clients take kelp to prevent hemorrhage, since she has started doing this she has not had one woman bleed out. I've been taking Supermom and she thinks that the Spirulina makes additional kelp unnecessary. Just thought I'd throw that out there for any woman desiring home birth, assisted or not.
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: CNM2B February 25, 2007, 06:15:33 AM
That is so cool. And it sounds way better than a bite of the placenta - - EWW!! I've got a really good recipe for Maple seaweed "candy" - you boil the soaked kelp in some water and some maple syrup until dry, then add sesame seeds and bake in the oven....it is SOOOO good!! I do wonder if you'd still get all the benefits, with the kelp being cooked so much...

My midwife has all her clients take kelp to prevent hemorrhage, since she has started doing this she has not had one woman bleed out. I've been taking Supermom and she thinks that the Spirulina makes additional kelp unnecessary. Just thought I'd throw that out there for any woman desiring home birth, assisted or not.
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: mommie February 26, 2007, 07:31:33 AM
yes, other ways to prevent hemmorage are much more desirable... ;D we had done blood tests and I was all up to par...so that would JUST be in case of emergency...I still dobn't know how I would do it, but we are gonna be on the mission field and the hospitals therre wont really be an option
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: mommyjen February 26, 2007, 08:57:19 AM
chrissyjoy, beeyoutifulgirl, and anyone else!

We are praying about going to the mission field and I am really feeliing like I need to be prepared for an unassisted birth, not knowing what assistance will be available to me in a foriegn land or even here in the states in unforseen events.  I have had three homebirths with a midwife.  I would like to know more about complications and how to avoid/deal with them successfully.  Do you have any info., books, websites that you could give me?

Thanks!
Jenny

yes, other ways to prevent hemmorage are much more desirable... ;D we had done blood tests and I was all up to par...so that would JUST be in case of emergency...I still dobn't know how I would do it, but we are gonna be on the mission field and the hospitals therre wont really be an option
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: mommie February 26, 2007, 12:56:37 PM
That's awesome...anyywhere in particular?
I posted a whole bunch of really good books for reading on here somewhere...I thouht it was this thread...I will check and post the quote later...
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: cjanderin February 26, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
Hey this info is great...keep it coming. 
We are going to be prepared for a homebirth with this one but are only 10minutes drive from the birthing centre too.  My midwife lives about 5mins away and in NZ it is free to have babies and for all the care that you or they need.  So a lot of those reasons you guys were saying don't count for us.  BUT... I have extremely fast labours (#3 was 40minutes total) so we are going to be prepared for a homebirth and the more I read, the more I kind of think why stress ourselves out trying to make it to the hospital in time at 3am (all my babies born between 3 and 4am- wierd eh!) and risk having a carbirth (ugh!) when I could just have bubs at home and ring/don't ring midwife to get here in time.
I really am expecting this labour to be a bit like the number 15 joke on another thread so why try and make it to the hospital and risk having a motorway birth!!  :D
So thanks for the encouragement and advice given so far... any more??
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: miff aka Missi February 26, 2007, 04:14:11 PM
... in NZ it is free to have babies and for all the care that you or they need.  ... (ugh!) when I could just have bubs at home and ring/don't ring midwife to get here in time.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???  Free to have a baby??  WOW!!!!  Never heard of that.

And, Erin, is "bubs" the NZ way to say baby?

Missi
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: his.silly.wife February 26, 2007, 04:29:16 PM
... in NZ it is free to have babies and for all the care that you or they need.  ... (ugh!) when I could just have bubs at home and ring/don't ring midwife to get here in time.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???  Free to have a baby??  WOW!!!!  Never heard of that.

And, Erin, is "bubs" the NZ way to say baby?

Missi

I doubt that it is really free.  In Canada, the government takes tax dollars and then provides medical care for "free."  If I remember correctly the government generally got 45% of our income through various taxes; sales, property, income and anything else they can think up.
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: miff aka Missi February 26, 2007, 04:34:38 PM
I doubt that it is really free.  In Canada, the government takes tax dollars and then provides medical care for "free."  If I remember correctly the government generally got 45% of our income through various taxes; sales, property, income and anything else they can think up.
So you are in the US now? 

I have never figured up the percentage for all the taxes here (US) that we pay.  Has anyone done that? 
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: cjanderin February 26, 2007, 04:35:43 PM
Yes bubs means baby  ;D  Have you really never heard of that one?  Will have to add it to my collection of NZ words for Americans  :D

Free to have a baby - definitely!  In New Zealand, all of your prenatal and postnatal care (plus the giving birth part in the middle ;)) is free.  The only thing that you could pay for if you wanted to is if you choose a private obstetrician for your care and/or if you pay for a private room at a birthing centre.  All the rooms in the hospitals are free and are mostly shared with one other person.  It's free to choose to give birth at a birth centre as well although they won't book you in if you are expected to have a difficult birth (ie. C-section, or prem etc).  And unless they are overly-full then you usually have a two-bed room to yourself anyway.
If your baby is premature or if you need to be on complete bedrest at the hosptial during your pregnancy then there are no costs either.  
In fact, if you are so extremely sick during your pregnancy that you really can't cope then I think the govt will also pay for some home help (ie. someone to come and do your washing, cleaning etc).  
And after the baby is born you either get maternity pay (part of your income for the first 12weeks) or a parental tax credit up to the amount of $1200NZ ($600US) to help pay for baby things or to cover bills or whatever you want/need to spend it on.  No strings attached - just the govt making it easier to adjust to one income or to adding another baby to the family.
It's also free to get medical help for accidents.  I think you guys have to pay for that too??  So if I chop my foot off and need months in hospital or I cut my finger and need stitches then going to the hospital is free.  Medicines etc usually cost money but it's often subsidised.
Going to the doctor costs money unless you are under 6yrs and is subsidised if you don't have much money or you are over 65yrs.  For everyone else it averages about $50NZ a visit which is about $25 US.

SO pleased I don't live in the US ...  ;) ... sorry for you guys tho  ::) :P ;)
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: cjanderin February 26, 2007, 04:50:13 PM

I doubt that it is really free.  In Canada, the government takes tax dollars and then provides medical care for "free."  If I remember correctly the government generally got 45% of our income through various taxes; sales, property, income and anything else they can think up.

In NZ, we pay between 15c to 33c in every dollar earnt in tax  (15c for really really low income and 33c for the highest incomes).  But then your medical care is free or subsidised and that also goes towards all the normal things that tax pays for plus our welfare system etc (money for if you are out of work / can't work / solo mum / widows benefit etc).
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: miff aka Missi February 26, 2007, 04:53:34 PM
Yes bubs means baby  ;D  Have you really never heard of that one?  Will have to add it to my collection of NZ words for Americans  :D

... In fact, if you are so extremely sick during your pregnancy that you really can't cope then I think the govt will also pay for some home help (ie. someone to come and do your washing, cleaning etc).  ...
Nope, never heard bubs before.  But I don't get out much.   :D ;D

Poor Mexmarr could use the service of someone coming in to do laundry and cleaning...  
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: mommie February 26, 2007, 06:30:34 PM
chrissyjoy, beeyoutifulgirl, and anyone else!

We are praying about going to the mission field and I am really feeliing like I need to be prepared for an unassisted birth, not knowing what assistance will be available to me in a foriegn land or even here in the states in unforseen events.  I have had three homebirths with a midwife.  I would like to know more about complications and how to avoid/deal with them successfully.  Do you have any info., books, websites that you could give me?

Thanks!
Jenny

yes, other ways to prevent hemmorage are much more desirable... ;D we had done blood tests and I was all up to par...so that would JUST be in case of emergency...I still dobn't know how I would do it, but we are gonna be on the mission field and the hospitals therre wont really be an option

Reply #11 is my book suggestions for unassisted birth studying :)
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: mexmarr February 27, 2007, 05:09:18 AM
... In fact, if you are so extremely sick during your pregnancy that you really can't cope then I think the govt will also pay for some home help (ie. someone to come and do your washing, cleaning etc).  ...
Nope, never heard bubs before.  But I don't get out much.   :D ;D

Poor Mexmarr could use the service of someone coming in to do laundry and cleaning...  
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Hey, I like this idea!  ;D   

Speaking of a free baby... My midwife said that if I make it 37 weeks, she will come and deliver my baby for free!  The State insurence here will pay for only one doctor or midwife.  Since I will have to be seeing a doctor, they won't pay for me to switch.  We won't let her do it completely free, but there is no way we could pay the whole fee. 

I asked my dh about an unassisted birth, and he says, NO WAY.  Blood makes him quite squimish, and he plans to stay by my head during the birth.  I want a mirror to watch the baby crown, but he says that he won't look.  ;)
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: jessicah February 27, 2007, 06:11:38 PM

I asked my dh about an unassisted birth, and he says, NO WAY.  Blood makes him quite squimish, and he plans to stay by my head during the birth.  I want a mirror to watch the baby crown, but he says that he won't look.  ;)
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If you actually are in a position to touch your babies head as it comes out you can help guide it out. This helped me to control how fast to push the baby out. I assume that it helped me not tear- since I did have really big babies.

Jessica
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: JoyInHim March 05, 2007, 07:39:27 AM
Regarding the OP request for what to have on hand.  I have not seen my absolute #1 requirement:

Hot compresses:
a crock pot of hot water and a dozen new white wash cloths.

Have your dh place these, wrung out, on your perineum upon crowning.  Replace them rapidly to keep heat on the perineum as the head emerges. 

I found this, with 4 births, completely effective to remove ALL discomfort, burning and pain.  I had 4 babies at home without tearing - large babies, and one presenting a 15" head, elbow first.

Read, read, read!

IF you have a small tear, it may be repaired without sutures at home.  Have your dh clean and dry the skin and apply Super Glue from a NEW unopened tube.  (This is identical to the product used in hospitals.)

My midwife uses this with very good results on minor tears.

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: his.silly.wife March 06, 2007, 08:08:31 AM
So you are in the US now? 

I have never figured up the percentage for all the taxes here (US) that we pay.  Has anyone done that? 

Yes, we are here on a work visa, and have applied for green cards.  The state that we are in has considerably lower taxes than Canada, but I believe it varies from state to state.
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: herbalmom March 06, 2007, 08:30:15 AM
How about the recipe? Sounds like my kids would love this. (strange kids I know, but they really like kelp anyway) Sounds like it would be a good recipe to post on the iodine thread as well. I don't know if you get as many benifits with it being cooked so much but your bound to get some & seaweed has A LOT of vits & mins in it. I haven't heard of overdosing on seaweed so you could eat the candy & take kelp just to be sure. I'm sure that the reason kelp prevents bleeding out because of the Vit. K it contains- it helps blood clot. Kelp pills are cheap so it's cheap extra insurance if you ask me. Blessings ~herbalmom

That is so cool. And it sounds way better than a bite of the placenta - - EWW!! I've got a really good recipe for Maple seaweed "candy" - you boil the soaked kelp in some water and some maple syrup until dry, then add sesame seeds and bake in the oven....it is SOOOO good!! I do wonder if you'd still get all the benefits, with the kelp being cooked so much...

My midwife has all her clients take kelp to prevent hemorrhage, since she has started doing this she has not had one woman bleed out. I've been taking Supermom and she thinks that the Spirulina makes additional kelp unnecessary. Just thought I'd throw that out there for any woman desiring home birth, assisted or not.
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: herbalmom March 06, 2007, 08:54:14 AM
IF you have a small tear, it may be repaired without sutures at home.  Have your dh clean and dry the skin and apply Super Glue from a NEW unopened tube.  (This is identical to the product used in hospitals.)

My midwife uses this with very good results on minor tears.

I don't remember the excact details & I don't have the book mark on the 'puter I'm using right now but Super Glue is NOT the same thing they use in hospitals. They are simular but there are differences. If I remember correctly the hospital kind has less cyanide (sp?) & heats up less so it does less damage to the cells in the skin. The hospital kind CAN be ordered on line- I was looking into it because DH gets hurt in ways that could use stitching sometimes but will never go to the ER. Once I get my reg. 'puter back I could post the info but it may be a few weeks before it's fixed so maybe someone else can find it & post it in the meantime. I think I entered "liquid stitches" into the search to find it, I'm not sure. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: JoyInHim March 11, 2007, 08:09:33 AM
I would suggest that a 'major hemmorage' would be most likely doctor caused.  Common techniques, such as 'tugging' the cord and other ways of handling birth can cause hemmorage.  Out of 5 births, the only one I had bleeding problems with was my hosipital birth.  And it was not addressed in or out of the hospital, despite repeated attempts by me with my Dr. (I bled a total of 12 weeks.)

Proper pre-natal nutrition is critical to prevent hemorage.  Iron and Vit. E are critical - check with your midwife for quantities.  Blood draws during the 3rd tri. will help her set the quantities of each you should take daily in preperation for birth, along with Red Raspberry and other herbs that are beneficial.

My midwife confirms that daily walkers (30 min. min.) have excellent births, with much greater ease and less complications than non-exercisers.  Walk.  It is great oxigen for both you and your baby's blood supply.

My midwife (2,000+ births) -rarely- sees even a tiny tear.  She cannot recall the last time she had a patient which required a suture.  An excellent midwife will have the skills it takes should a baby be birthing too quickly, before the perineum is stretched.   I wouldn't give myself a physical, or fill my own cavities, and this is another area of skill that I feel is well worth paying for :-) and can prevent disaster in both mom and baby's health status.  However, by baby 5, I was considering it, and my dh chose to have 'adult supervision' by our friend and midwife.  We delivered unassisted one time, and it was our best all around birth experience (the midwife showed up 10 min. post birth.)

Eating placenta violates my conscience and is never necessary or better than the remedies there are available to stop bleeding quickly without drugs. 

The difficulty is in determining -whether- or not bleeding is excessive.  Any bleeding before the baby arrives may indicate a ruptured uterus or cord problem: both of which require emergency medical care.

A normal feminine pad which is wet top to bottom in 30 min, is considered hemmoraging and requires intervention. 

Midwives are trained in reading the quantity of blood immediately upon the baby's arrival, before a woman would put on a pad.  In my opinion, I would be unable, as would dh, to determine immediately post birth if I were hemorraging or not, except by passing out and so on, which would mean we've missed an opportunity to -stop- it.

A homeopathic was given to me after birthing at home for my 2nd child, when I was bleeding more than the midwife cared for, and it was rapid and effective (maybe 1 min. at most).  The interesting thing is I saw almost no blood at any of my home births, especially compared to the amount I saw in the hospital.  After the birth, at home, my midwife has me sit on the toilet for perhaps 10 minutes, rubbing my uterus to contract it.  A good deal passes right in the toilet, and after that, I take the herbal bath.  After 10-20 minutes in the herbal bath, the bleeding has never been heavier than a period.

Hope this helps -

Happy birthing!
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: JoyInHim March 11, 2007, 08:18:40 AM
My OB and midwife both confirm the ingredients are identical and it is merely marketed differently.  To cost more to patients, of course!   ;D

IF you have a small tear, it may be repaired without sutures at home.  Have your dh clean and dry the skin and apply Super Glue from a NEW unopened tube.  (This is identical to the product used in hospitals.)

My midwife uses this with very good results on minor tears.

I don't remember the excact details & I don't have the book mark on the 'puter I'm using right now but Super Glue is NOT the same thing they use in hospitals. They are simular but there are differences. If I remember correctly the hospital kind has less cyanide (sp?) & heats up less so it does less damage to the cells in the skin. The hospital kind CAN be ordered on line- I was looking into it because DH gets hurt in ways that could use stitching sometimes but will never go to the ER. Once I get my reg. 'puter back I could post the info but it may be a few weeks before it's fixed so maybe someone else can find it & post it in the meantime. I think I entered "liquid stitches" into the search to find it, I'm not sure. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: KatieMac March 11, 2007, 08:35:54 AM
Eating placenta violates my conscience and is never necessary or better than the remedies there are available to stop bleeding quickly without drugs. 


I'm curious...how does it violate your conscience?
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: MotherOfBlessings March 11, 2007, 12:10:40 PM
IF you have a small tear, it may be repaired without sutures at home.  Have your dh clean and dry the skin and apply Super Glue from a NEW unopened tube.  (This is identical to the product used in hospitals.)

My midwife uses this with very good results on minor tears.

I don't remember the exact details & I don't have the book mark on the 'puter I'm using right now but Super Glue is NOT the same thing they use in hospitals. They are similar but there are differences. If I remember correctly the hospital kind has less cyanide (sp?) & heats up less so it does less damage to the cells in the skin. The hospital kind CAN be ordered on line- I was looking into it because DH gets hurt in ways that could use stitching sometimes but will never go to the ER. Once I get my reg. 'puter back I could post the info but it may be a few weeks before it's fixed so maybe someone else can find it & post it in the meantime. I think I entered "liquid stitches" into the search to find it, I'm not sure. Blessings ~herbalmom

I think the stuff you are looking for is called Dermabond.  It is purple and we had it used on our dd. Unfortunately they put it *on top* of her stitches.  >:(  Something that the maker says should *never* be done.  So they could not get the stitches out.  >:( >:(  They were going to try to pick it off so I stopped them, took my dd home, and researched for myself and found they antibiotic ointment will dissolve it.  So I spent 3 day keeping Neosporin on it and got it all off eventually.  Then took her back to get those stitches taken out. 

In my research I found it is made by the makers of superglue but is in-between that and Liquid Bandage that is sold OTC.   I had a website that explained this but lost it when my PC had to be wiped.  I have yet to figure out how to back up my bookmarks.  :-[

Hope this helps.
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: sarah_carol March 11, 2007, 01:04:07 PM
DH & I are planning our 3rd homebirth, attended my a midwife, but I thought I'd chime in w/ another reason that some families choose unattended homebirths.

In some states, homebirth is still ILLEGAL, including Alabama (not sure which others) so it's very rare to find a midwife who will risk a jail sentence for attending a birth in those areas.  Some families in this situation have unattended homebirths, with or without a doula.  Others  have a "homebirth" with a midwife in a hotel just across the state border where homebirths are legal.

Some people might say, in the case of living where HB is illegal, why not just have a natural hospital birth w/ a dr?  It's not that simple.  It is getting so difficult nowadays to find a care provider who truly is supportive of natural birth. 

Here is another good site for info on unattended homebirth:

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/
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: BJ_BOBBI_JO March 11, 2007, 03:31:34 PM
Wow, thats just crazy and not fair that some states dont allow homebirths. I never wanted  and never had a home birth but I think it should be legal and open for those who choose it.

I wonder how the amish handle that situation in the states where its illegal to homebirth? Around here not to many amish have hospitall births and when they do most of them go home the same day they have the baby.

I hope they keep home births legal. I wonder why they want it illlegal for? maybe because they dont get the money that a hospital birth brings in? I dunno. I sure hope it dont become illegal nation wide.
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: SC March 11, 2007, 05:20:14 PM
On a larger scale, I see the practice of institutionalized medicine going into greater extremes where the options of patients and doctors are becoming more limited by financial/legal concerns. In an effort to avoid litigation and ensure medically satisfactory outcomes, unnecessary and unwanted interventions are being imposed on the patients (and their doctors) without regard to their personal right to choose what is in the best interest of the individual and/or their children. The day may not be far off when those who wish to be in control of their own health will need to actively avoid licensed practitioners of medicine.  :(
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: healthybratt March 12, 2007, 06:37:52 AM
Surely, it's not illegal to miss getting to the hospital on time.  ;)
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: Maria/NHM March 12, 2007, 06:48:15 AM
Surely, it's not illegal to miss getting to the hospital on time.  ;)

That story worked for me ;D  ::)
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: sarajane March 12, 2007, 08:06:20 AM
It is disgusting that home births are illegal in places. I mean come on, you can choose to kill your baby but it is getting harder and harder to choose how you want it to be born.  :-\
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: JoyInHim April 26, 2007, 07:43:19 AM
Excellent point!  Especially considering it is statistically far safer to birth at home.....that is what convinced us after a horrific 'typical' hospital experience.
It is disgusting that home births are illegal in places. I mean come on, you can choose to kill your baby but it is getting harder and harder to choose how you want it to be born.  :-\
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: JoyInHim April 26, 2007, 07:46:59 AM
Eating human flesh?  Eating my own blood?
I need to explain??   ???

 
Eating placenta violates my conscience and is never necessary or better than the remedies there are available to stop bleeding quickly without drugs. 


I'm curious...how does it violate your conscience?
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: JoyInHim April 26, 2007, 07:48:56 AM
Some of us already push that envelope, lol!

 ::)

On a larger scale, I see the practice of institutionalized medicine going into greater extremes where the options of patients and doctors are becoming more limited by financial/legal concerns. In an effort to avoid litigation and ensure medically satisfactory outcomes, unnecessary and unwanted interventions are being imposed on the patients (and their doctors) without regard to their personal right to choose what is in the best interest of the individual and/or their children. The day may not be far off when those who wish to be in control of their own health will need to actively avoid licensed practitioners of medicine.  :(
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: JoyInHim April 26, 2007, 07:51:13 AM
Oh dear!

Was that a doctor that did that....?

(We go to my Mom to have stitches removed!)

It is purple and we had it used on our dd. Unfortunately they put it *on top* of her stitches.  >:(  Something that the maker says should *never* be done.
Hope this helps.
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: JoyInHim April 26, 2007, 07:52:41 AM
I love how you think HB.......I'm too rebellious to have 'gone' AFTER the baby was born, either, lol!  (Over dh's dead body after our one hospital experience).
Surely, it's not illegal to miss getting to the hospital on time.  ;)
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: JoyInHim April 26, 2007, 07:57:14 AM
Congratulations Sarah!  How wonderful! 

We had considered an unassisted h.b., I was fine with that...but dh wanted, as he calls it, adult supervision  ;D

Our midwife is a very good friend, too, and she proved herself an amazing addition to my experience each and every time.  I think I'd have been fine without her, but I think having her there made it like being a Princess ; )   Not only her prenatal and nutritional guidance (which was excellent and specific to me), but waiting on me, preparing our herbal bath, seeing that everything is taken care of, my every little whim during labor and delivery.....ah, definitely -wonderful!-

DH & I are planning our 3rd homebirth, attended my a midwife, but I thought I'd chime in w/ another reason that some families choose unattended homebirths.

In some states, homebirth is still ILLEGAL, including Alabama (not sure which others) so it's very rare to find a midwife who will risk a jail sentence for attending a birth in those areas.  Some families in this situation have unattended homebirths, with or without a doula.  Others  have a "homebirth" with a midwife in a hotel just across the state border where homebirths are legal.

Some people might say, in the case of living where HB is illegal, why not just have a natural hospital birth w/ a dr?  It's not that simple.  It is getting so difficult nowadays to find a care provider who truly is supportive of natural birth. 

Here is another good site for info on unattended homebirth:

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/
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: mommie April 26, 2007, 12:50:09 PM
Eating human flesh?  Eating my own blood?
I need to explain??   ???

 
Eating placenta violates my conscience and is never necessary or better than the remedies there are available to stop bleeding quickly without drugs. 


I'm curious...how does it violate your conscience?

I never thought of the placenta as being my own flesh...hmmm....we are all totally entitled to our own opinion, I guess I am curious if I'm missing some medical info here...how did you come to the conclusion that it is flesh...maybe that is a totally stupid question on my end and I'm missing something huge. You don't have to explain if you don't want to....I'm just missing something apparently?
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: herbs girl April 26, 2007, 01:11:28 PM
Chrissy Joy-  I am not 100 % sure about the placenta thing, but I read on the MotheringDotcommune forums that one mom put it that wasn't it like any other by product of her body like breastmilk, ect?  It isn't "a being" it is just a organ.  I'm having mixed feelings.  At first I thought it was fine, then Im not sure?

Any input would be appriciated!!
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: AllinHisTime April 26, 2007, 03:21:42 PM
As far as the "eating the placenta" thing goes.....I'm in the middle.  I personally could never eat it but it was offered to me after my home birth to dehydrate it and encapsulate it and get all those good vitamins and nutrients back into your body.  It's been proven somewhere that it helps with post partum depression too.  I considered it because of my circumstances at the time. 

Of course, after 3 years my placenta is still in the freezer.....we plan on planting a tree with it once I decide on which tree to plant.  Now that our child is old enough to pick one out herself, I figure we'll plant her tree with the placenta she got nutrients from at the home she was born in.  Good memories....
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: KatieMac April 26, 2007, 03:31:34 PM
I feel that there must be a really good reason that the placenta has live-saving properties...it seems God created it to be so. Of course it's wonderful that in our day and age that we know how to prevent hemorrhage and we have other things at our disposal to help us but believe me, if I was in a situation where I had to eat a piece of placenta or die, I would eat the placenta. No question. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I think we should be careful about making a broad generalization. Maybe you might not ever be in a position to eat a piece of placenta, but there are others (third world countries perhaps?) where it could mean life or death.
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: cjanderin April 26, 2007, 03:33:27 PM
I think I'm the same as you AllinHistime and KatieMac - I can't see myself ever needing to do it (eating the placenta) but if I was stuck in the middle of nowhere with no medical help and I had just given birth and was bleeding dangerously then I would eat the placenta.  It's just one more absolutely amazing thing in our bodies that has been created with multiple purposes - one of them being that it stops your bleeding.  However, to me it does sound rather gross so if I was in a hospital and the option for stopping the bleeding was drugs or the placenta I think I would choose the drugs.
There are quite a few animals that eat the placenta - it removes trace of the birth from predators but I'm sure that the physiological reasons are also part of it (not that I actually think the animals have thought these reasons out themselves...it's just they way they were made).  
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: mommie April 26, 2007, 04:14:08 PM
 yeah, I'm definately not a placenta soup eater!  :P personal choice not moral conviction...but more the idea for the emergency end of things, the idea from mothering commune makes sense...its something that sustained the baby, not the baby. i just thought maybe I was missing something. i think there are verses in the bible giving a negative conatation to eating after birth if I remember correctly...which i would assume would be placenta...but no thou shall not eat from what i remember...just wondering if i was missing something cause I would eat a bite of it if absolutely necssary ( hoping I could get it down) while I certainly wouldn't eat my child if it was life or death for me... so was curious
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: herbs girl April 26, 2007, 04:35:19 PM
I will defenitly agree with the above 4 posts.  If I had to, I would!  But just doing it otherwise?  Im not sure I could even stomach the idea of it!!  But you never know...
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: JoyInHim April 27, 2007, 05:50:29 AM
Explain that placenta is human flesh?  What else is would it be.....?

I don't  understand why that isn't obvious?  If it is not human flesh and blood....well, then what is it?


...how did you come to the conclusion that it is flesh...maybe that is a totally stupid question on my end and I'm missing something huge. You don't have to explain if you don't want to....I'm just missing something apparently?
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: mommie April 27, 2007, 06:02:36 AM
well, you throw it away right? and you wouldn't throw your baby's flesh away or plant it under a tree or anything like that. I guess unless its living when you're pregnant and than dead afterwards. O.kay as long as its just obvious to you and theres not some medical thing I'm missing ... its just obvious to me its not flesh at all, but nutrients to nourish my baby, just like my breast milk. that's it...we are both entitled to our own opinion I just thought maybe I was missing some researched medical proven thing. thanks for your explanation.
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: JoyInHim April 27, 2007, 06:12:33 AM
The following is my own opinion, as I've been repeatedly asked to explain.

We bury (not throw away) placentas after their purpose has been served - just as we bury our bodies after their purpose (on earth) has ended. 

God designed human milk to be consumed by a human baby.

Your placenta contains your flesh and blood.  If you've ever seen a placenta (I have, often), they are full of blood. 

They are designed to purify blood that gets to the unborn child - one of mine had pockets of pus, from doing its job, and my midwife wondered if I had taken up smoking, as she was baffled knowing my commitment to excellent nutrition and exercise.  Would it be wise medically to consume that?  Of course not - but morally I have an even bigger issue.

By the way, we have never consumed liver, kidney or other organ meats for this reason as well (scientifically) - those organs are designed to clean the blood - we do not think it wise to eat what has been cleaned out of an animal its entire life.  I realize others disagree - but we don't eat organ meats or blood products.  (Whole 'nother thread - kosher butchering.)

I think the theory that a mother may die if she refuses to consume her own placenta is not at all likely (especially in a natural birth where nobody is messing with the mom!).....but if a mother ever gave birth on a remote island alone, and had no other way to save herself other than a bite of her placenta....I'm sure God wouldn't mind! 

If we are forbidden to eat animal blood (Paul - Acts, and 'the life is in the blood' includes the life of disease), I can hardly imagine human blood is an acceptable food source.

Our bodies should be treated as God instructs, and respected as His temple, in my opinion.  I see no indication in scripture where we are to eat any body parts of any humans or our own bodies.

 ;D   Just how I view this  -  Placentas are intended to grow your baby inutero, NOT to be consumed.



Chrissy Joy-  I am not 100 % sure about the placenta thing, but I read on the MotheringDotcommune forums that one mom put it that wasn't it like any other by product of her body like breastmilk, ect?  It isn't "a being" it is just a organ.  I'm having mixed feelings.  At first I thought it was fine, then Im not sure?

Any input would be appriciated!!
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: JoyInHim April 27, 2007, 06:22:22 AM
A placenta is nothing other than flesh - it isn't milk, it isn't bone, it isn't your baby, rock or metal - it's your own flesh.  Created to nourish your baby for 9 months, yes. 

But it was not created to nourish the woman that just expelled it. 

Would you drink your own breast milk as an adult....?

Wouldn't that strike you a bit odd, since it was designed for your baby, not for an adult?

... its just obvious to me its not flesh at all, but nutrients to nourish my baby, just like my breast milk.
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: herbs girl April 27, 2007, 07:35:44 AM
Thank you for stating your opinion, JoyinHim.  I am not one like to encourage arguing or hard feelings on forums, but I think its fine that we all ARE ENTITLED TO OUR OWN OPINION!! :) 

I will have to say that you do have a very good point, and I am not 100% sure where I stand?  But after I think about it, its like, ewww, I actually am considering/thinking about consuming one of my own organs(so to speak)??

We live and learn. I have defenitly learned ALOT on welltellme!! ;D ;D
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: JoyInHim April 27, 2007, 07:51:33 AM
We hired the very best midwife available for four births....it was no where near this amount.  In fact, our insurance covered all in office calls for 3 of the four (and then decided they had made an error, which we offered to repay, and they declined.)

I agree with the comment that a good midwife will be very good as far as bedside manner.  Ours always offers the dad's full responsibility (full hands on) although most defer to her better-trained hands for the head delivery.  Experience -definitely - aids in the skills required to birth a large head without tearing.

We did it both ways, and my dh was as good as the midwife in delivering alone (our smallest head, though, cord around her neck)  - he had been well trained in her classes we took.

We had 4 perfect results at home.  Our hospital experience was called 'textbook' in my paperwork - but it definitely was not a perfect result, leaving both baby and me injured!!

Enjoy!

Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told
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: JoyInHim April 27, 2007, 07:56:18 AM
I agree Herbs Girl.  ;D

That is why I used "The following is my own opinion, as I've been repeatedly asked to explain," in my post.  Also, I stated my reasons for my -opinion- upon request - I was answering some specific posts which questioned my opinion.   ;)

(BTW - using bold is akin to yelling on a forum.   ;)    )

I am not one like to encourage arguing or hard feelings on forums, but I think its fine that we all ARE ENTITLED TO OUR OWN OPINION!!
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: herbs girl April 27, 2007, 08:37:46 AM
Joy in Him-- Oh my!! I did not know bold letters was yelling.  Whoa!!  I guess I *am* learning alot on welltellme!!  Thanks for letting me know ;)
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: JoyInHim April 27, 2007, 08:39:24 AM
No worries Herbs girl!

 :D

Joy in Him-- Oh my!! I did not know bold letters was yelling.  Whoa!!  I guess I *am* learning alot on welltellme!!  Thanks for letting me know ;)
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: SagorFamily1611 April 27, 2007, 08:49:27 AM
Yay! I am so glad someone started this thread! I have a question. I do a lot of reading, and before I was married it was a lot of novels (christian only) and I read in those, and other books that every time when your baby is born you have to take some mucus or blood or something out of the babie's nose and mouth. Now that I am reading WTM and I just bought Bradley's Husband Coached Birth, I am not so sure, and that is one thing that really bothers me about possibly having to have a home birth because we will be living so far out. I plan on buying as man y books as I can, and learning as much as I can from WTM while I can. So anyway, all that to ask, is there always mucus, or blodd or whatever it is up in the baby's cavities?
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: KatieMac April 27, 2007, 09:11:17 AM
Yes, but all my midwife uses is a 99 cent booger sucker from Wal-mart or any drugstore...you know, the bulb syringe that looks like a light bulb with an elephants trunk? No big deal.
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: AllinHisTime April 27, 2007, 11:24:25 AM
My midwives suggested using an adult bulb syringe instead of a baby one for homebirths.  It gets more out and you use less squeezes. If you squeeze too much, too many times, there is a chance you could collapse a lung.  That is why it is smarter to use the adult one.  They've tried the baby one's before and it got scary for them. 

So, I'd suggest using that :)
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: KatieMac April 27, 2007, 12:01:25 PM
Thanks for the tip!
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: SagorFamily1611 April 27, 2007, 01:41:44 PM
Does it have to be done to every baby? I remember reading somewhere, here or in the Bradley book I canna remember, that the mucous had come out while the baby was still in the womb and was sliding down.
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: StephTallent April 27, 2007, 02:00:17 PM
Yay! I am so glad someone started this thread! I have a question. I do a lot of reading, and before I was married it was a lot of novels (christian only) and I read in those, and other books that every time when your baby is born you have to take some mucus or blood or something out of the babie's nose and mouth. Now that I am reading WTM and I just bought Bradley's Husband Coached Birth, I am not so sure, and that is one thing that really bothers me about possibly having to have a home birth because we will be living so far out. I plan on buying as man y books as I can, and learning as much as I can from WTM while I can. So anyway, all that to ask, is there always mucus, or blodd or whatever it is up in the baby's cavities?

According to my midwife only occasionally is it necessary to "suction" the baby.  She said that it's actually better in most cases NOT to suction unless it is needed because it causes their gag reflex to kick in before they have learned their "breath, suck, swallow" sequence needed to help successfully nurse.  She always suctions if there is any evidence of meconium in the water, or if there are any breathing complications but other than that she recommends not suctioning.  Another interesting detail she mentioned is that the first time a baby inhales it takes four times the pressure that it will take for future breaths because the lungs have to be opened up.  This is why she likes to leave the cord intact until it stops pulsing to make sure the baby is oxygenated as much as possible until they get the hang of the whole breathing thing.   :)
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: SagorFamily1611 April 27, 2007, 02:40:49 PM
Thanks!
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: Whiterock April 27, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
I also want to add, there's a spot in the throat where there's a group of nerves that you do NOT want to hit if you do suction. They hit this spot while suctioning my daughter and her heart instantly stopped. Very scary. My baby suddenly went limp and I could see the panic in face of the nurse who was doing the suctioning. She called for a response team/crash cart/whatever it's called and started CPR. The CPR worked but they took her off to wait for a specialist to check her out. That's how I found out what had caused it. If you are not rough (they were pretty "aggressive" in the hospital) then it's not likely to happen, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

WR
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: seeker April 27, 2007, 04:05:30 PM
According to my midwife only occasionally is it necessary to "suction" the baby.  She said that it's actually better in most cases NOT to suction unless it is needed because it causes their gag reflex to kick in before they have learned their "breath, suck, swallow" sequence needed to help successfully nurse.  She always suctions if there is any evidence of meconium in the water, or if there are any breathing complications but other than that she recommends not suctioning.  Another interesting detail she mentioned is that the first time a baby inhales it takes four times the pressure that it will take for future breaths because the lungs have to be opened up.  This is why she likes to leave the cord intact until it stops pulsing to make sure the baby is oxygenated as much as possible until they get the hang of the whole breathing thing.   :)

StephTallent, we are all wondering about you over on the Birth Announcements thread!  :)
No baby yet?
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: JoyInHim April 28, 2007, 02:53:36 AM
I agree, and my midwife believed the same.

One thing she was very much opposed to was suctioning -before- the baby is delivered, especially in the case of merconium.  This is the routine (around here) when a baby is born and merconium is present - the baby is suctioned right when the head is born, but the body is still compressed in the birth canal.

Doing this can cause the baby to inhale some of the merconium, and cause major problems with breathing, lungs, etc.  She saw this happen routinely (still) in hospital births where suctioning upon delivery of the head, but not the body, is routine.

We did not suction our dd born unassisted - it took (what seemed like) most of a minute before she took a breath.  As instructed, we wrapped clean cloth around a finger and gently swabbed out her mouth.  Then we rubbed her all over gently to stimulate her.

Yay! I am so glad someone started this thread! I have a question. I do a lot of reading, and before I was married it was a lot of novels (christian only) and I read in those, and other books that every time when your baby is born you have to take some mucus or blood or something out of the babie's nose and mouth. Now that I am reading WTM and I just bought Bradley's Husband Coached Birth, I am not so sure, and that is one thing that really bothers me about possibly having to have a home birth because we will be living so far out. I plan on buying as man y books as I can, and learning as much as I can from WTM while I can. So anyway, all that to ask, is there always mucus, or blodd or whatever it is up in the baby's cavities?

According to my midwife only occasionally is it necessary to "suction" the baby.  She said that it's actually better in most cases NOT to suction unless it is needed because it causes their gag reflex to kick in before they have learned their "breath, suck, swallow" sequence needed to help successfully nurse.  She always suctions if there is any evidence of meconium in the water, or if there are any breathing complications but other than that she recommends not suctioning.  Another interesting detail she mentioned is that the first time a baby inhales it takes four times the pressure that it will take for future breaths because the lungs have to be opened up.  This is why she likes to leave the cord intact until it stops pulsing to make sure the baby is oxygenated as much as possible until they get the hang of the whole breathing thing.   :)
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: JoyInHim April 28, 2007, 02:57:42 AM
Oh dear!  Good to know.  I cannot imagine how scared and angry you must have been watching your baby treated that way!  (And I always question, is that -necessary???-)    :o

I used to watch the birth channel often and was always impressed that those poor little ones are rather slung around like a sack of potatoes the first few minutes of life. 

I also remember being so angry that somebody got to dress my baby first, and not me!  My midwife knew about that and made sure that I was the one to dress my little ones after our herbal baths ; )   Of course by the 5th, I was happy to allow my oldest dd the privilege!

this is a wonderful thread full of good info for those birthing at home!

I also want to add, there's a spot in the throat where there's a group of nerves that you do NOT want to hit if you do suction. They hit this spot while suctioning my daughter and her heart instantly stopped. Very scary. My baby suddenly went limp and I could see the panic in face of the nurse who was doing the suctioning. She called for a response team/crash cart/whatever it's called and started CPR. The CPR worked but they took her off to wait for a specialist to check her out. That's how I found out what had caused it. If you are not rough (they were pretty "aggressive" in the hospital) then it's not likely to happen, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

WR
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: dara April 28, 2007, 04:10:53 AM
It is sometimes nessesary to suction- I think you have to go by the specific situaltion. Two of our (homebirthed) babies didn't need it, but one was a little blue when he was born, and it was 24 hours before he spit up enough mucus to turn pink all the way. I was scared silly in the wee hours when he woke us up gagging and struggling to breathe. I was glad I had the little blue syringe! So yeah, depends on the baby...
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: herbs girl April 28, 2007, 05:31:01 AM
My husband is not excited about home birth.  I am considering that with our next baby, Lord willing we have more children.  I found a midwife that takes Badgercare, and will let me go into spontanious labor as long as baby and mom are ok.  (I have been induced 3 x--with all my children)  But my hubby is not excited.

With our first birth they induced me at 38 1/2 weeks and put way too much Cytotec in me way too close together.  The contractions came with hardly any let up, and of course I couldn't handle contractions like that---who can?   So I was desperate for releif, they gave me a cervical  block and said yes it was fine for baby.  Not so!! It was not fine for baby at all.  My son's heart rate dropped very low and was blue/purple when he came out, not hardly breathing at all.  They had to bag him, suction and try to get him to breathe right and oxygen into him for *30* minutes.
My husband is really scared because of this incident.  I have scince read that cervical blocks can cause baby's heart rate to drop and so can cytotec.  (Cytotec seems to be ok for me if administered in tiny doses and not very close together)

So what to do?  I realize we have a couple years probably before needing  to decide, I really don't think nagging about the homebirth thing is the answer...but I really think having a midwife to do things more natural, I would probably get along fine.  My other births were perfect or better than perfect--wonderful with no pain relief, no problems hardly at all.  I would much rather deal with natural birth pain,

I feel pretty sure that the cytotec, and the cervical block had something to do with my son's problem of breathing.  But what can I do to convince my husband that it would be ok with still staying in my place?
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: Mrs. Visionary April 28, 2007, 06:57:49 AM
I would not try to convince him.I would simply present as much factual information as possible (the good and the risks of BOTH sides) and let him draw his own conclusion. He needs to be confident in his decision in order to be able to give you the support you will need during childbirth.
If I may be so bold, it sounds to me like you have some control issues (now how would I know about those? ::))
May I gently suggest that you trust that God instills in your husband the wisdom he needs to guide your family and make decisions. Also in CTBHHM it is suggested that we pray for wisdom for our husbands. I think that is good advice. :)
Respectfully, Heidi
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: Whiterock April 28, 2007, 07:17:04 AM
My dh was not "thrilled" with the idea of homebirth either, so we decided to do everything as natural as possible but in the hospital. He was right to not want to stay at home. I had an emergency c-section because the contractions were so strong and the urge to push was not an urge but an uncontrollable reaction (I tried everything I could to control it, relax, "breath" through it) that I couldn't get enough oxygen to the baby.

I tried different positions, etc. but I still involuntarily doubled over and pushed like I was trying to rip my muscles apart. This would happen about six times with each contraction and I could not breathe while it was going on. I could hear the beep beep of the baby's heart rate go to almost nothing every time (it even momentarily stopped a few times). Dh was watching the baby's oxygen levels and would tell me "Breathe. Slow, deep, breaths, honey. The baby needs oxygen. Breathe." They put an oxygen mask on me but that only help a little.

My first labor was 18 hours of back labor while on pitocin, so know a little about labor pain, but after an hour of this with the baby still between 0 and 1 station (he would move down a little with each push and then move right back up as soon as it was over) I was at my limit.

I am very glad I hadn't nagged my dh into staying home.

WR
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: herbs girl April 28, 2007, 08:42:23 AM
Thanks ladies,

You never know what God may be trying to protect us from when we follow and trust Him to work through our husbands descisions for our good.  If I pushed the issue of homebirth and then something did go wrong, I would find it very hard to forgive myself :( 
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: DHW April 28, 2007, 05:21:35 PM
A homeopathic was given to me after birthing at home for my 2nd child, when I was bleeding more than the midwife cared for, and it was rapid and effective (maybe 1 min. at most). 

JoyInHim, what was the homeopathic remedy your midwife used? 

Has anyone used cayenne extract or homeopathic witchhazel for excessive bleeding?
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: mommie April 28, 2007, 06:19:17 PM
My 2nd birth we had a mid wife so she used pitocin...but with my 1st if I can remember that far back we had black and blue cohosh, angelica root and I thought there was another one. I'll try to find it, my girlfriend who was here told my hubby to give me a dropper ful of each and with all the drama all he heard was a drop of each and thank God because I was fine with just the drop of each and just gettting the drop of each down was quite a bit of work for me even after dealing with 33 hours of labor (you'd think ANYTHING would be easy after that. :)) I have heard of the cayenne...but we never tried it.
: Re: Unnassisted home birth - our experience
: papercraftr April 28, 2007, 09:49:06 PM
  I have had three homebirths with a midwife.  I would like to know more about complications and how to avoid/deal with them successfully.  Do you have any info., books, websites that you could give me?

yes, other ways to prevent hemmorage are much more desirable... ;D

Hello,

I'm a mama of 10 children, birth history as follows:

All that to say, I've learned a few things along the way continue to learn.  Just a few things that stick out to me that has been helpful:

TO HELP REDUCE HEMMORAGING after birth:  I took vitamin K in pill form the last two months of pregnancy.  I was amazed at how little I bled after birth.  The only time it would bleed red is when I was doing too much running around after birth.

DRINK WATER:  It's the simplest thing to do, yet most folks tend to not drink enough.  When your blood cells are properly hydrated, then all the wonderful nutrients can circulate to you and your baby.  There's more room for baby inutero.  Baby swims in and ingests the amniotic fluid it swims in.  This is the same fluid that baby urinates in.  When you drink and urinate, the toxins in your body and in the uterus are more likely to be expelled.  The water in the uterus is refreshed.  During labor, the hospital likes to hook you up to an IV to make sure you are properly hydrated.  That's because your body works more efficiently when all the cells have enough water in them.   (Not just because it preps you for a c-section).

PREVENTING A TEAR:  We used a hot compress of hot water and coconut oil against the perinium when baby was crowning to prevent tears in the perinium area.

CORD AROUND THE NECK:  Know how to slip it off the shoulder or what your options are should the cord be around the baby's neck.  My midwife was able to show my husband what a 'stuck' cord felt like and when to cut.

TYING OFF THE CORD:  you can use anything clean.  With Meorah's birth #7, we hadn't planned to have her at home so we used kite string  ;D

RESOURCES
Our last baby, "Hope" was born beautifully and safely, unassisted.  It's not something we would just do.  I believe the woman's body is designed to birth babies beautifully.  However, I would recommend any couple pray about their options.  Keep in mind no amount of study will give you the reassurance and peace as knowing you're in His will.   :)

You can check out a pic of my 10 blessings here:  www.TheHomeGrownFamily.com

love,
Charity
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: JoyInHim April 29, 2007, 02:59:05 AM
Pray for God's direction and keep reading.

It is so hard not to be 'brainwashed' by what we grow up in.  Most US babies are born in hospitals, but world wide, only 20% of them are.  So, consider that the vast majorities of babies are still birthed at home, safely.

Your story sounds similar to our first....and the more I read and shared with dh, the more we realized, we had been brainwashed (and frightened) into believing it was 'safest' in the hospital.  In fact, right after they pulled my baby from my exhausted, cut and drugged body, a nurse said, 'Thank GOD you were in the hospital.'  Now I realize, none of the problems would have occurred outside of the hospital - I only needed to be rescued from their botched interventions.

God WILL direct your husband and you together.  He may begin with you!  (He began with dh, in our situation.)  So keep seeking God's desire and will for your best (next) birth.  He is faithful.  God can move your husband's heart, and mind, through the information you expose him to (not force on him) and your prayers.

Not that I am biased about where to birth ;)
But what can I do to convince my husband that it would be ok with still staying in my place?
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: JoyInHim April 29, 2007, 03:00:34 AM
Charity - excellent!
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: JoyInHim April 29, 2007, 03:03:53 AM
I don't recall DHW, but I recall arguing with her about it, lol.

I'm sure asking at the health food store would reveal the specific remedy if you wanted to have it on hand.  I've never been convinced about homeopathics but this was one of two times I saw instant results.  The other was on for chicken pox itch (still have that in my cupboard for #5).  Instant, after 3 days of crying  children and oatmeal baths and lotions.

Last week my friend was up most of the night with her dd crying in severe ear pain.  I would have visited the ER for it, from her description.  She called her SIL, an MD who uses homeopathics, who told her which to give her.  She said within minutes, the girl stopped crying, slept the rest of the night, and woke up fine.

I should study a bit more  on it. 

A homeopathic was given to me after birthing at home for my 2nd child, when I was bleeding more than the midwife cared for, and it was rapid and effective (maybe 1 min. at most). 

JoyInHim, what was the homeopathic remedy your midwife used? 

Has anyone used cayenne extract or homeopathic witchhazel for excessive bleeding?
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: JoyInHim April 29, 2007, 03:06:22 AM
Typical of hospital treatment.


My first labor was 18 hours of back labor while on pitocin, so know a little about labor pain, but after an hour of this with the baby still between 0 and 1 station (he would move down a little with each push and then move right back up as soon as it was over) I was at my limit.

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: JoyInHim April 29, 2007, 03:09:37 AM
That first night or two is always filled with gurgles and snorts, here!  We slept a couple of them upright a bit, in a car or bouncy seat the first night.  Right next to Mom's side of the bed.  My last guy was so snorty he spent the first couple weeks sleeping in a reclining bouncy seat!  Worked out GREAT because if he stirred, I could reach down and bounce him a bit, right back to sleep (between feedings.)

It is sometimes nessesary to suction- I think you have to go by the specific situaltion. Two of our (homebirthed) babies didn't need it, but one was a little blue when he was born, and it was 24 hours before he spit up enough mucus to turn pink all the way. I was scared silly in the wee hours when he woke us up gagging and struggling to breathe. I was glad I had the little blue syringe! So yeah, depends on the baby...
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: skelliott2 April 29, 2007, 09:38:49 AM
I absolutely agree that you need to follow your husband's advice, but I do think that which is safer (hospital or home) does depend on the situation.  I decided, with my husband, to have our last (fourth) baby at home.  I felt this was safter, because of previous hospital experiences.  When my first son was born, we got a phone call from the health department within a few days of coming home.  They asked if he had any symptoms of illness.  They were very cryptic, and scared me to death.  That night, on the news, we saw that a baby who was in the newborn nursery the same days as my son had died of whooping cough, since a nurse in the newborn nursery had whooping cough, and infected the baby.  Of course we were terrified.  We instantly called the pediatrician, who prescribed antibiotics as a preventative treatment. 

Now we know that antibiotics don't help with viruses, but then we did everything the doctor said.  That began a round of illnesses and antibiotics that lasted about 18 months.  When it was all said and done, my son was borderline autistic, and we have spent the last six year trying to heal food allergies, chelate metals, kill fungus, and heal his stomach. 

Our second son was premature, and had to be born in a hospital.  I firmly believe they saved his life.  They did make some BIG mistakes, though, so you do have to watch them very carefully.

I basically said all this to say that hospitals are not necessarily the safest place to birth your children.  It does definitely depend on the situation.  They are life saving in premature cases, but can also be a bad place for infections, etc.  If I birthed in a hospital again, I would definitely keep the baby in the room with me, and allow as little contact from other people as possible. 

In answer to the question about bleeding during birth, Nettles contains very high, and very usable vitamin K.  I spent my entire pregnancy, but especially the last month drinking nettle tea, and bled very little. 

The very best herbal book on pregnancy I have ever read is Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year by Susun Wise.  She has great herbal and homeopathic remedies for just about everything, and they worked for me very well.  It's only about $10 on Amazon, and full of information.  It's probably my most read book besides Nourishing Traditions!  She is not a Christian (I don't believe) and a little wierd about honoring plants, but she has really good advice and remedies. 

Whether to home birth or not is a HUGE decision, and you and your husband really do need to agree, because he does have to be very involved in a home birth.  But God will give you and your husband the wisdom to do the right thing for your baby. 
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: YoopreMama May 01, 2007, 01:50:41 PM
Has anyone used cayenne extract or homeopathic witchhazel for excessive bleeding?
My midwife used Shepherd's Purse.
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: Mrs. Davis May 01, 2007, 03:46:34 PM
I know a lady who has nine children.  I am not sure how many were born at home, but she tended to hemorrhage after birth so her midwife had her take cayenne.  I am not sure if she took it before, during or after labor, but you could sure check on it.  She said it worked really well.
: Re: Unnassisted home birth
: littlemama24 May 03, 2007, 02:46:15 AM
I have a question for you unassisted home birth gals.  Perhaps it has been covered already, sorry I didn't catch it.  How does each state view this subject.  I got to thinking about it and wondered because I know in some states it is considered child abuse/neglect to not get them vaccinated.  (Not in WI) SO then I wondered if I were to do an unassisted home birth and end up with complications that led to fetal demise (like what happened in to me in the hospital) would they call it child neglect/abuse and put us in jail or something?  Sorry to have such a weird, morbid question.  I do not think that would be the right thing - it just is this concern I have.  I am really considering doing it unassisted next time so that I can have a non-induced VBAC.  Thank you for understanding.
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: JoyInHim May 03, 2007, 03:32:47 AM
Not weird at all!  :D

You are wise to think ahead on the legalities, littlemama24.  My husband took a toddler in the middle of the night to ER for a sudden severe ear infection once, and came home wondering if the 'authorities' would be following him home to take our children.  The MD there had really grilled him about why our child was not vaccinated.

I'm sure you can easily find the law for your state with a quick google search.  Perhaps words like home birth and state law.
I have a question for you unassisted home birth gals.  Perhaps it has been covered already, sorry I didn't catch it.  How does each state view this subject.  I got to thinking about it and wondered because I know in some states it is considered child abuse/neglect to not get them vaccinated.  (Not in WI) SO then I wondered if I were to do an unassisted home birth and end up with complications that led to fetal demise (like what happened in to me in the hospital) would they call it child neglect/abuse and put us in jail or something?  Sorry to have such a weird, morbid question.  I do not think that would be the right thing - it just is this concern I have.  I am really considering doing it unassisted next time so that I can have a non-induced VBAC.  Thank you for understanding.
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: JoyInHim May 03, 2007, 05:19:25 AM
Anyone else ever notice that if a birth-at-home mom decides to transport to the hospital for the slightest reason (like an IV drip for an overly long labor) everyone calls it a 'botched homebirth'?

And yet so many babies and moms suffer so many hospital-caused injuries and infections (and fatalities) but nobody calls them 'botched.' Hmm.

In fact, it is so common to have a hospital or staff CAUSED injury, there is a term for it: iotragenic.  (You can read the late Dr. Richard Mendhelson's books for more on that.)


Iotragenic - disorder or injury brought on by medical personnel, medical procedures,entering a hospital and adverse drug interactions.



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: Simply Kristen May 03, 2007, 05:45:33 AM
Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told


We hired the very best midwife available for four births....it was no where near this amount.  In fact, our insurance covered all in office calls for 3 of the four (and then decided they had made an error, which we offered to repay, and they declined.)

In our area Midwives (direct entry.... there are no CNMS) cost 3,000- 4,000 dollars for office visits, delivery, and one to two assistants.
This does not include any outside testing one might want or one or two doc visits to set up a physician in case of transport.
The 3,000-4,000 also does not include transport costs (duh!--haha).

In our area Doula's range from 500-1,000.
Doula's can be a midwife helping at the hospital (in a supporting....not delivery mode). Or, they can just be a Doula.

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: ForeverGirl May 03, 2007, 06:04:23 AM
Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told


We hired the very best midwife available for four births....it was no where near this amount.  In fact, our insurance covered all in office calls for 3 of the four (and then decided they had made an error, which we offered to repay, and they declined.)

In our area Midwives (direct entry.... there are no CNMS) cost 3,000- 4,000 dollars for office visits, delivery, and one to two assistants.
This does not include any outside testing one might want or one or two doc visits to set up a physician in case of transport.
The 3,000-4,000 also does not include transport costs (duh!--haha).

In our area Doula's range from 500-1,000.
Doula's can be a midwife helping at the hospital (in a supporting....not delivery mode). Or, they can just be a Doula.



Yep, there were no midwives in our area (that we could discover) for our first 3 births, so the hospital was our only option here - and it was a minimum of $5,000 per birth (we were told by another mother).  Now there is a midwife in town, and I think her charge is $2,000 per birth.
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: mommie May 03, 2007, 06:33:30 AM
Anyone else ever notice that if a birth-at-home mom decides to transport to the hospital for the slightest reason (like an IV drip for an overly long labor) everyone calls it a 'botched homebirth'?

And yet so many babies and moms suffer so many hospital-caused injuries and infections (and fatalities) but nobody calls them 'botched.' Hmm.

In fact, it is so common to have a hospital or staff CAUSED injury, there is a term for it: iotragenic.  (You can read the late Dr. Richard Mendhelson's books for more on that.)


Iotragenic - disorder or injury brought on by medical personnel, medical procedures,entering a hospital and adverse drug interactions.





yeah....things like this irritate me so much. I mean babies and moms die/ have problems at the hospital too. In fact I believe the percentage of home birth safety is higher. Less intervention from staff trying to cover their butts in case of law suits! Wow...I am really blessed the mid wife I used for my 2nd birth only charged me 1800 she's an amazing christian with amazing skill and let's me do whatever I want. included is all the visits and tests and everything although I only have my blood done.
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: Simply Kristen May 03, 2007, 06:37:06 AM
Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told


We hired the very best midwife available for four births....it was no where near this amount.  In fact, our insurance covered all in office calls for 3 of the four (and then decided they had made an error, which we offered to repay, and they declined.)

In our area Midwives (direct entry.... there are no CNMS) cost 3,000- 4,000 dollars for office visits, delivery, and one to two assistants.
This does not include any outside testing one might want or one or two doc visits to set up a physician in case of transport.
The 3,000-4,000 also does not include transport costs (duh!--haha).

In our area Doula's range from 500-1,000.
Doula's can be a midwife helping at the hospital (in a supporting....not delivery mode). Or, they can just be a Doula.



Yep, there were no midwives in our area (that we could discover) for our first 3 births, so the hospital was our only option here - and it was a minimum of $5,000 per birth (we were told by another mother).  Now there is a midwife in town, and I think her charge is $2,000 per birth.


5,000 is about the cheapest you could go for a hospital birth in our neck of the woods.

One hospital has a neat plan for people who don't have medical insurance and want to pay for their own stuff. It's also for people who have high deductible insurance plans (6,000$ dedictible for example).

Anyways, the plan is this:
You prepay $4,500 over the course of your pregnancy (monthly installments if you want). This covers all the trimming (i.e. ultrasounds, monthly office visits, epidurals, c-sections (if you end up having to have one), 3-5 day stay, medicines, etc.). Basically you can't go over 4,500 in your total costs.

I have a good friend that did this almost 2 years ago. She accidently got there too late for an epidural...baby came way too fast....and she only stayed for a day or so.
She asked for a refund for all the "perks" she didn't use. They said "No".   :D :D
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: JoyInHim May 03, 2007, 08:01:05 AM
I would definitely choose unassisted, after our hospital experience, if that were the case.  Of course, we are pretty 'trained' ourselves after 4 assisted ;)

Lay midwives are rather an underground trade in our state, MI.  All one must do is 'hang a shingle' to be a lay midwife.  Therefore, there are many 'so-so' (and cheaper) ones.  There are several (3-4) -excellent- ones with lots of experience and excellent reputations in the hospitals (when having delivered in them, with transports.)

So, I'd suggest that there are lay midwives all around, and you may not have discovered them.  We found ours through asking chiropractors and natural holistic doctor's offices.  We interviewed many before choosing...and stuck with her for 4 births.  Once we discovered one (our holistic MD's nurse was a lay-midwife), we were linked to many of them.  Other than the 3 or 4 we are very impressed with, I'd actually trust ourselves more than the typical lay midwife will little experience.

Our state actually has a self regulated midwives association, as well, but you'd never know it.  Like the Underground Railroad, it is going on all over but few know it.  The association (which our midwife is president of) requires certain experiences and amounts of training (years as an assistant and many births) before certifying a midwife.

Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told


We hired the very best midwife available for four births....it was no where near this amount.  In fact, our insurance covered all in office calls for 3 of the four (and then decided they had made an error, which we offered to repay, and they declined.)

In our area Midwives (direct entry.... there are no CNMS) cost 3,000- 4,000 dollars for office visits, delivery, and one to two assistants.
This does not include any outside testing one might want or one or two doc visits to set up a physician in case of transport.
The 3,000-4,000 also does not include transport costs (duh!--haha).

In our area Doula's range from 500-1,000.
Doula's can be a midwife helping at the hospital (in a supporting....not delivery mode). Or, they can just be a Doula.



Yep, there were no midwives in our area (that we could discover) for our first 3 births, so the hospital was our only option here - and it was a minimum of $5,000 per birth (we were told by another mother).  Now there is a midwife in town, and I think her charge is $2,000 per birth.

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: JoyInHim May 03, 2007, 08:03:55 AM
My first (hospital) birth was over $16,000.

My 2nd (home) birth was $1800.  Far better care for 9 months, during and after the delivery as well.

Now, I have had 4 "unassisted" homebirths. It did save us 20,000 dollars all told


We hired the very best midwife available for four births....it was no where near this amount.  In fact, our insurance covered all in office calls for 3 of the four (and then decided they had made an error, which we offered to repay, and they declined.)

In our area Midwives (direct entry.... there are no CNMS) cost 3,000- 4,000 dollars for office visits, delivery, and one to two assistants.
This does not include any outside testing one might want or one or two doc visits to set up a physician in case of transport.
The 3,000-4,000 also does not include transport costs (duh!--haha).

In our area Doula's range from 500-1,000.
Doula's can be a midwife helping at the hospital (in a supporting....not delivery mode). Or, they can just be a Doula.



Yep, there were no midwives in our area (that we could discover) for our first 3 births, so the hospital was our only option here - and it was a minimum of $5,000 per birth (we were told by another mother).  Now there is a midwife in town, and I think her charge is $2,000 per birth.


5,000 is about the cheapest you could go for a hospital birth in our neck of the woods.

One hospital has a neat plan for people who don't have medical insurance and want to pay for their own stuff. It's also for people who have high deductible insurance plans (6,000$ dedictible for example).

Anyways, the plan is this:
You prepay $4,500 over the course of your pregnancy (monthly installments if you want). This covers all the trimming (i.e. ultrasounds, monthly office visits, epidurals, c-sections (if you end up having to have one), 3-5 day stay, medicines, etc.). Basically you can't go over 4,500 in your total costs.

I have a good friend that did this almost 2 years ago. She accidently got there too late for an epidural...baby came way too fast....and she only stayed for a day or so.
She asked for a refund for all the "perks" she didn't use. They said "No".   :D :D
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: JoyInHim May 03, 2007, 08:06:33 AM
Don't most major medical plans cover births, and prenatal care?

$5,000.  Ouch.
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: Simply Kristen May 03, 2007, 10:17:19 AM
Don't most major medical plans cover births, and prenatal care?

$5,000.  Ouch.

They (the friend that did the pre-payed plan) didn't have maternity insurance.
Maternity insurance is very high.

Also, some people have high deductible insurance plans. For example, you pay the first $6,000 every year of medical expenses. Then, the insurance companies pay the rest.

My husband and I think that's the way to go if you are healthy (high deductible....low premiums). But, of course you must have some money stored away for potential emergency funds.
Hey! Let's get Dave Ramsey on this thread.  :D :D

I remember that you like him right, JoyInHim?  ;)
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: KatieMac May 03, 2007, 10:47:26 AM
My midwife charges...get ready...$800.

I am so blessed.
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: SagorFamily1611 May 03, 2007, 10:55:02 AM
I was talking to a friend of mine and she says that if you can find a good midwife they will only charge what you can afford, and some will even not charge you if they know you are really struggling financially. She said that the one her daughter went to charged about $600 but the daughter knows that that particular midwife has not charged people before and allows you to take as long as you need to pay her back.
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: herbalmom May 03, 2007, 11:00:46 AM
I was talking to a friend of mine and she says that if you can find a good midwife they will only charge what you can afford, and some will even not charge you if they know you are really struggling financially. She said that the one her daughter went to charged about $600 but the daughter knows that that particular midwife has not charged people before and allows you to take as long as you need to pay her back.

IMO, a midwife should be paid a fair rate just because it's the right thing to do. Most midwives are doing it as a calling, true, but for many they also depend on the income. But on the other hand, I think it is the Christian thing to do to lower prices or work with somebody if someone has a legitimate need & you can provide that need. Just my .02. Blessings ~herbalmom 
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: Simply Kristen May 03, 2007, 11:03:59 AM
I haven't found any midwives (that have certification and formal training---NOT certified nuse midwives though) that are under $3,000.

They do file insurance though... and most people get 60% back...which is nice.

I agree that if your husband has the money....Midwives should get paid a fair price. It's lots of time they spend with us!
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: mamaincolorado May 03, 2007, 11:32:16 AM
I haven't found any midwives (that have certification and formal training---NOT certified nuse midwives though) that are under $3,000.

They do file insurance though... and most people get 60% back...which is nice.

My midwife does say that if you can't afford it she will work with you and would never turn anyone away for inability to pay.

I agree that if your husband has the money....Midwives should get paid a fair price. It's lots of time they spend with us!

I completely agree that Midwives deserve a good pay. However, around here there seems to be a disgust for people asking for a break, sliding scale, whatever. The $2800- 3000 rate is pretty firm. I wouldn't want someone to have to choose not to have a home birth because they can't afford it! Or someone like me to start thinking about a hospital birth after two at home just because of the cost. :)
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: Sparkys9 May 03, 2007, 12:22:27 PM
Hi, everybody! I am new here, so I hope I don't mess up. I found out about this website from a client. I am a direct-entry midwife. I charge $900 and add agas allowance, if I do all the driving. This often happens ,as most of my clients are Amish or Mennonite. The most experienced midwives in this area charge $1800-2000.CNM's charge $3500. Most of the midwives I know will take barter for some or all of their fee.I have taken stovewood, work on my house, a beautiful hand-made headboard for one of my children, chiropractic care, etc, in exchange. This is one of the ministries God has given me. I don't believe in asking others to do more than I could do, and my DH and I decided this was a reasonable amount. I might add that I am still of childbearing age and who knows, I might have to pay somebody again,too!LOL!Keep in mind that CNM have more overhead (insurance,etc) and some of that cost will be deferrred to you. All midwives are different, you just have to ask!
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: JoyInHim May 04, 2007, 03:18:41 AM
We were in this situation for our last birth.  I really desired to birth at home again, but we had 100% coverage to birth in hospital.  Nothing for home birth.

Finances were a consideration, definitely.  Dh was willing to go into debt (we are cash only) to provide a midwife for me to birth at home, and did not feel comfortable doing unassisted.

I called our midwife and we worked out an arrangement for less than half her normal wage.  I did all but 2 or 3 prenatals with my (cooperative and encouraging) OB (they work together).  The visits were covered.  For $1,000, I did 2 or 3 visits with my midwife, got nutritional counsel (and any I called to ask her for), a home visit prior to the birth, the day of the birth, and post-natal care by phone (instead of 2 home visits.)  She did the post natal newborn exam the day of the birth, and I took the baby to a pediatrician (wouldn't normally) 2 or 3 days after.

Her normal fee at the time was $2,500 or so.  Normally she would never do this, for the risk involved, but was very sure I'd 'follow instructions' to a T, and knows my history from doing 3 prior births - I birthed VERY easily w/o any complications.

I haven't found any midwives (that have certification and formal training---NOT certified nuse midwives though) that are under $3,000.

They do file insurance though... and most people get 60% back...which is nice.

My midwife does say that if you can't afford it she will work with you and would never turn anyone away for inability to pay.

I agree that if your husband has the money....Midwives should get paid a fair price. It's lots of time they spend with us!

I completely agree that Midwives deserve a good pay. However, around here there seems to be a disgust for people asking for a break, sliding scale, whatever. The $2800- 3000 rate is pretty firm. I wouldn't want someone to have to choose not to have a home birth because they can't afford it! Or someone like me to start thinking about a hospital birth after two at home just because of the cost. :)
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: JoyInHim May 04, 2007, 03:20:37 AM
I do KristenA!  ;D

However, my husband forbids me to every say 'gazelle-like intensity' ever again!

Don't most major medical plans cover births, and prenatal care?

$5,000.  Ouch.

They (the friend that did the pre-payed plan) didn't have maternity insurance.
Maternity insurance is very high.

Also, some people have high deductible insurance plans. For example, you pay the first $6,000 every year of medical expenses. Then, the insurance companies pay the rest.

My husband and I think that's the way to go if you are healthy (high deductible....low premiums). But, of course you must have some money stored away for potential emergency funds.
Hey! Let's get Dave Ramsey on this thread.  :D :D

I remember that you like him right, JoyInHim?  ;)
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: JoyInHim May 04, 2007, 03:26:45 AM
It really depends on the area, economy, competition, and the services of the Midwife.

Midwives vary greatly on what they will take responsiblity for, and the services they offer.

We paid more for a couple reasons -
- Incredible amount of experience (20+ years, 2,000+ births), far more than the typcial OB who makes far more  :)
- Incredible record of success (handling complications such as cord presenting first, long labors, first time births, V-bac, placenta previa,) etc.
- Spotless record of infection (maternal/baby) - Zero.  No hospital can claim this.
- Reputation in the hospitals - they allowed her to deliver IN the hospital we used as back up (we did not want to be dumped into 'the system' should I require medical intervention at all.)
- Superior prenatal care and nutritional counsel (including contracts I had to sign to even be taken as her client, no chips & Pepsi here!)
- 24/7 availability (counsel, even during pregnancy)

Other lay midwives we spoke to, yes, would see you during the 9 mos, and would show up to deliver the baby, but had no where near this reputation and history.

My midwife charges...get ready...$800.

I am so blessed.
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: ForeverGirl May 04, 2007, 04:42:24 AM
I missed a few questions earlier in the thread...

What books and info do I recommend? Read aloud to your husband as much as possible, so that he knows it all as well:

Heart and Hands by Elizabeth Davis (not a Christian book)

Herbal for the Childbearing Year (not a Christian book)

How to Prepare  youself for an unassisted homebirth:

1) Attend a birth if possible

2) Talk to someone that has delivered a baby, and ask them to describe the whole process to you, maybe using a doll to demonstrate how to check station, recognizing dilation and effacement. Reading about it is one thing, but having someone show you with their hands the thickness of the skin, and describe the way everything is supposed to feel, etc... is better IMO.

3) Consider your physical condition and medical history and prepare with herbs, exercise, and tools like BP cuff, hemostats, etc... If you expect anything other than a perfect birth - don't go unassisted.

4) If you are in a rural/jungle situation, find a local midwife. This sounds odd, but even in the tiniest village there is a mama that is known for being present at most of the births, and knows the most about birthing in general, maybe just because she's had 20 babies herself. If possible, become friends with that woman and find out everything you can from her - including herbs that she may use, and birthing customs that culture follows. Don't except everything they do, of course, but consider the information, record it, and share it with us here on WTM! By the time birth comes along, you'll have a plan.

The family that took my place in Papua New Guinea, in the village I used to live in, had an unassisted birth in the jungle. They were a full day's walk from an airstrip that had occasional planes landing - as in a couple times a week. That walk was a jungle hike, and there was no way she could get out while in labor. So, they planned for an unassisted birth and prayed like crazy. They observed local birthing customs as much as possible, so as not to offend the local taboos with the "uncleanness" of birth and named their baby Shelby Aikuram (the name of the village).

Sparkys9 - thanks for joining us!

Rebekah

 
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: mommiesarms May 10, 2007, 09:34:34 AM
Hello there! I am expecting our 5th gift and I have a question.  Our first 3 we had wonderful midwives and wonderful births.  With our 4th we had a CNM that we were both very uncomfortable with, hypnobirthing, super-controling, etc. She did our prenatals, we had a birth kit on hand, just in case, the drive was 60 min.  Come labor, we said, no way, not going, staying here!  So we did, Praise GOd, best labor by far.  I don't recommend it for everyone though.
 Here's the question.... in a planned unassissted, have you done prenatal with a provider?  Done them yourself?  I don't know anyone else who has done this.  We now live in epidural land.  Any input would be great.  My dh is completely willing to do 'it all'.  Thank you.
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: ForeverGirl May 10, 2007, 10:26:14 AM
Hi mommiesarms,
With each pregnancy we saw an Amish midwife (a friend in TN) one time at least, who simply confirmed what we felt to be the case: the baby's position, heartbeat, my BP, iron levels, etc... We didn't do any internal check-ups. I did this "prenatal care"  because it was available. If no prenatal care had been available, I would not have been worried about it. My husband was fully capable of taking care of me, and it sounds like yours is cut out of the same cloth.  :)

 Rebekah
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: mommie May 10, 2007, 04:58:01 PM
yeah i second that..good if available for once or twice otherwise i wouldn't worry ... honestly depending on the midwife you might freak them out or cause trouble for you...know who you're working with...i mean your last one worked great, but it wasn't planned the whole time..i'd be careful who you tell in advance ...from book reading my hubby was able to confirm the head was down, engaged and flexed the right way...i would recommend a doppler (ebay is great) blood pressure cuff and pee sticks and measuring tape i'd do them myself and keep notes...oh and i had my blood levels done at a local grocery store ...i tend to be anemic so i  wouldn't do a birth w/o checking in the last few months ( thats for me personally- you know your body and what you would need)
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: mommiesarms May 11, 2007, 09:18:56 AM
Thanks Rebekah for the reply.  I'll be sure to check with my honey about finding someone for one or two check-ups.  Having just Day take care of me for our last one was incredible, very healing and bonding for us both. Pray that I will be able to find someone around here who will accept our decision to  go unassissted.  It will certainly be interesting to see what God has in store.  Can hardly believe I'm 16 weeks already!
Thanks again, and thanks also ChrissyJoy for your specific input.  Good to have friends around the world united in Christ.
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: JoyInHim May 12, 2007, 04:30:10 AM
CNMs are medically (ie, pathalogically) trained - they are seeking 'problems' to medicate or intervene for.  A lay midwife is naturally minded - as highly (if not more highly) trained, but with an attitude of supporting the normal healthy design of the body, to do what God designed it to do.

I'd like to add that internal exams are questionable, as well as not necessary (in healthy pregnancies).  My (lay) midwife did not do them unless there was a question about a cervical issue, or if the Mom (me) desired to know the station, dialation, etc., late in the pregnancy (the last day or two before labor begins) or even whether or not labor has begun.

My midwife believes it is best NOT to introduce foreign bacteria into the birth canal (via an exam) during pregnancy.

For my first (hospital) birth, I had monthy internal exams.  Every visit, the OB would 'feel' the cervix, and would hand me a napkin and say, 'you may have some cramping or bleeding for a couple hours.'  That was considered normal!

The most helpful prenatal information, imo, is the blood and urine analysis.  I did my own urine analysis, and it is not difficult to go have a blood draw and have the lab work done and reported back to you, so you may adjust your suppliments.  Typically I would need extra iron, vit. E during the last month or two before a birth.  You want to be in excellent shape for the birth : ) especially at home. 

Frankly, I don't think there is anything more critical in preparation for a good home birth than plenty of excellent nutrition (no junk), lots of exercise and fresh air to keep you and baby healthy, and stay very hydrated throughout the whole pregnancy especially when you go into labor.  My midwife can tell which of her clients walks daily by their births - they tend to be very easy for the moms.

Hi mommiesarms,
With each pregnancy we saw an Amish midwife (a friend in TN) one time at least, who simply confirmed what we felt to be the case: the baby's position, heartbeat, my BP, iron levels, etc... We didn't do any internal check-ups. I did this "prenatal care"  because it was available. If no prenatal care had been available, I would not have been worried about it. My husband was fully capable of taking care of me, and it sounds like yours is cut out of the same cloth.  :)

 Rebekah
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: mommie May 12, 2007, 07:10:24 AM
yeah my midwife  didn't do any internal exams either until labor was almost done...the first time she checked i was ready to push...my hubby had a done a few earlier in labor. the blood and urine is definatly the best along with someone being able to check externally for thehead being in the right position, engaged etc.
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: his.silly.wife May 12, 2007, 10:10:27 AM
iit is not difficult to go have a blood draw and have the lab work done and reported back to you, so you may adjust your suppliments. 

In Canada, from my experience, only medical professionals have access to medical labs.  Lab tests were never reported back to the patient, but always to the doctor.  Midwives weren't given access to this in several provinces until they were granted licensing from the government.  So, you may want to check to see what is available to you.
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: mommie May 13, 2007, 03:43:24 PM
that's crazy. I had mine done at Fry's (Kroger depending on where you live) by a group called healthwaves. They sent my blood into the lab and than mailed the results to me. I know medical stuff is so different in Canada though..definately worth looking into sometime before you want to get it done. :) that's crazy though...the doctor can report back to the patient right? Cause I think that's what healthwaves does...they kinda act like the middle man.
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: his.silly.wife May 14, 2007, 01:54:03 AM
the doctor can report back to the patient right?

Yes, the doctors tell the patient the information.  There's just a lot of bureaucracy in the system.  There may be a few private medical business in Canada now, but several years it was all government operated.
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: healthnut May 14, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
I have since read that cervical blocks can cause baby's heart rate to drop and so can Cytotec.  (Cytotec seems to be ok for me if administered in tiny doses and not very close together)

I feel pretty sure that the Cytotec, and the cervical block had something to do with my son's problem of breathing.  But what can I do to convince my husband that it would be ok with still staying in my place?

Cytotec is a drug that is contradicted during pregnancy. It is used off-label as an induction drug but the company that makes it disagrees with this use!!! I have the info as well as the other name of the drug. Cytotec has a history of uterine rupture and babies dieing!!!  I would highly encourage people to not allow their doctors/midwives to use this on them. I believe the manufacturer is "Searle" and they refuse to test it on pregnant women since it has such horrid side effects--they plainly state  that Cytotec is not safe for use during pregnancy/labor.
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: Mom2FourBlessings May 15, 2007, 01:27:00 AM
I just wanted to say how informative I have found this thread, and how much I have enjoyed reading and learning from it.. even though I have never had a home birth and probably never will... It took a bit of convincing to get dh to go for a midwife, birth center birth..   We had two terrible induced hospital labors, where the docs were so worried about trying to convince me to take drugs or epidurals (seriously they were trying to get me to roll up for an epidural the whole time me screaming I don't want one... >:( )  anyway, with number three we found midwives and a freestanding birth clinic.. dh was not sure at first and even laughingly reffered to them as my "witch doctors" for the longest, but then after he saw how gentle, unrushed, and amazing that natural labor without, monitors, lights, cervical exams, being bed bound, etc.. could be, he has become their BIGGEST advocate.. advertising them to everyone.. birth is a bit traumatic for him.. he loves to watch, but says he is in no way capable of being responsible for it and catching (however he almost caught number 2 at the hospital..long story, but they were still trying to force and epidural on me and I was pushing..  :o )

So to all you ladies going it alone with just your husbands to help.. WOW  those men deserve a big hug.. that is amazing..   

My dh after the last two claims he could do it, and I have offered to let him birth the next one at home but we are 45minutes from the nearest hospital and he says nope, not at home.. you have excellent midwives, with a super birth center, hot tub, and all we need and they are 2 miles from the hospital.. LOL  ::)

Oh well, anyway, I just wanted to thank you, thank you, thank you for all the information.. being informed makes a big, BIG difference even when birthing at a hospital or birth center or wherever..   

Oh by  the way someone said certified nurse midwives many times are a lot like doctors.. Here in TN mine are CNM's but they are NOTHING like doctors they do not check the cervix until you actually think you are in labor unless you ask them to... they also recommend herbal treatments before drugs, like raspberry tea, and many others I have heard mentioned here.. and now they tell people about Super Mom since I showed them mine.. but they were the least like the medical proffession of anyone I have ever met.. maybe it is because there are no doctors in their office.. just 3 midwives.. they do full gyn care too.. I love that, they also are all good Christian ladies, and the one who delivered my last two, prayed me though the hardest parts of labor, that was sooooo comforting..

Blessings to all of you moms going it alone, and thanks again for all the info..

By the way, please don't think I am saying anything bad about my dh, I completely trust and respect his decision.. Anything gory is just not his cup of tea..LOL He won't even let me tell him my horror stories from the back of the ambulance, he won't watch surgery on TV or anything else.. and even though he never panics in injury situations, and knows the basics, he leaves that care up to me.. he would rather fix the car, or sink, or dig a ditch through a manure field as to deal with the sick, injured, or laboring.. LOL ;D  and I love him for it.. He was very open after he met the midwives, and he loves them.. he just leaves those decisions up to me as long as I promise not to do it at home..  ::)

Hugs to you all..
Prayers for safe and healthy deliveries..

Mom2FourBlessings

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: jre612 June 13, 2007, 08:38:23 AM
Do not use Cytotec for induction!  The FDA and many doctors have sent warnings to Doctors and midwives to not use it.  Read the insert that comes with ALL drugs. It says right on there to not use it for induction. 
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: tiffanniwi July 06, 2007, 09:05:39 AM
I am another crunchy mom who has had 3 unassisted births.  I have had a total of 4 kiddos.  My first birth was a wonderful, birth center, midwife attended birth.  We wanted that for the second one but the insurance wouldn't cover it :(

My reasoning to go with UC was different than most people though.  I had an OB with my 2nd child (first UC).  They were concerned about her size and drooling at the thought of doing a csection on me.  I had a friend who had two of her dcs at home unassisted.  She was the pastor's wife at the church we were attending.  She offered to help if I wanted to have dd at home.

Anyway, the first UC was the biggest, scariest faith walk but I stand here today to tell of His faithfulness in bringing forth our first 10 pound baby (she was actually 10.5lbs and 19 inches long).  Since then, we have gone on to have a son 9lb 14oz and another daughter 10lb 4oz 9 (both were 21 inches or longer). 

That said, we all have to follow the leading of our Father, He knows best.  If he lead dh and I to go to a dr or hosp for a birth we would trust that and go, no questions asked.  ;)

I am encouraged seeing the posts here and seeing that many are respectful of other's choices.
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: JoyInHim July 07, 2007, 03:53:08 AM
Am I the only mom who doesn't really concern herself with whether or not my baby is an extra ounce or two bigger than 7 lbs, lol?

I've always been curious about this obsession of OBs.  It is getting that big ol' head out that is the issue, in my view (having had 3 babies with 15" heads, one born elbow first!)  Whether or not the rest of the soft squishy baby is 7 lbs or 11 lbs seemed rather inconsequential - it slips right out!   ;D


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: tiffanniwi July 07, 2007, 04:05:51 AM
Actually, it's the shoulders that can be broad and get stuck.   :o  That's the part that should be worried about.  ;D 

My last one had a 14 3/4 head so yeah, when they are that big, I don't know if the shoulders are that big a deal.  LOL
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: fwlady July 07, 2007, 04:51:31 AM
I'm new here, Kymberli, mother of soon to be 7 children. I chose to do an unassisted because I got tired of fighting for my right to VBAC. And, now, hospitals around here won't even consider it, mostly, unless by a small chance the baby arrives between 8-5. And, when we did UC the first time, we couldn't afford a MW, and found out later that the female OB I had was VERY interventive, which is dangerous for me because of my first section.

The rundown on my births was section at 19 because I didn't know any better, and that USAF OB wanted to learn how to section. 2nd was a great hospital VBAC that I had to fight for in the 10 mos, but at delivery, I had the other FP that was awesome! So, delivery was great and easy. Number 3 was done at a hospital and dr that I didn't know because we were snowed in, and I had to fight for my natural freebirth, which then he saw a very fast easy delivery, and made me pay for it during the afterbirth.

My 4th was a planned UC, but I panicked at the afterbirth, and should have sat on the toilet, but transferred by ambulance. They took her away immediately, but let me go home at 4 hours amazingly. The next was a beautiful waterbirth UC with my biggest baby at 9.5 lbs. And, the sixth was a planned UC, but I freaked with the meconium, didn't know it would have been better taken care of at home where I could have drank, and wiped her off better than what they did. I bled a lot too because they wouldn't let me hold her to help my uterus clamp down. I was lucky though, we came after 8am and delivered before 5pm. That was a very good hospital overall though, the best I have ever seen.

I am definitely planning on a UC this time too, although my DH wants me in the hospital only because he is afraid of a call to the authorities (although that hasn't happened with any of my other births). And, I am not doing anything illegal or unsafe. It is very homebirth friendly around here, BUT, hiring a MW in our state is illegal until August, I think. And, even then, it has lots of rules, I am sure. Plus, we really dont' have the money to pay for a MW, or the HUGE deductible if we go to the hospital. If we have to go, I will, but I want to birth without fear in the safety of my own home. Kymberli
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: JoyInHim July 09, 2007, 05:40:52 AM
Well, I used a midwife for all 4, and it is great to have her experienced hands guiding out the shoulders!  My last guy was a linebacker, too!  No pain though  ;D  Yay God!!
Actually, it's the shoulders that can be broad and get stuck.   :o  That's the part that should be worried about.  ;D 

My last one had a 14 3/4 head so yeah, when they are that big, I don't know if the shoulders are that big a deal.  LOL
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: JoyInHim July 09, 2007, 05:43:11 AM
Kymberli, praying for a wonderful and safe homebirth this time around!!

I enjoyed your birth stories  ;)
I'm new here, Kymberli, mother of soon to be 7 children. I chose to do an unassisted because I got tired of fighting for my right to VBAC. And, now, hospitals around here won't even consider it, mostly, unless by a small chance the baby arrives between 8-5. And, when we did UC the first time, we couldn't afford a MW, and found out later that the female OB I had was VERY interventive, which is dangerous for me because of my first section.

The rundown on my births was section at 19 because I didn't know any better, and that USAF OB wanted to learn how to section. 2nd was a great hospital VBAC that I had to fight for in the 10 mos, but at delivery, I had the other FP that was awesome! So, delivery was great and easy. Number 3 was done at a hospital and dr that I didn't know because we were snowed in, and I had to fight for my natural freebirth, which then he saw a very fast easy delivery, and made me pay for it during the afterbirth.

My 4th was a planned UC, but I panicked at the afterbirth, and should have sat on the toilet, but transferred by ambulance. They took her away immediately, but let me go home at 4 hours amazingly. The next was a beautiful waterbirth UC with my biggest baby at 9.5 lbs. And, the sixth was a planned UC, but I freaked with the meconium, didn't know it would have been better taken care of at home where I could have drank, and wiped her off better than what they did. I bled a lot too because they wouldn't let me hold her to help my uterus clamp down. I was lucky though, we came after 8am and delivered before 5pm. That was a very good hospital overall though, the best I have ever seen.

I am definitely planning on a UC this time too, although my DH wants me in the hospital only because he is afraid of a call to the authorities (although that hasn't happened with any of my other births). And, I am not doing anything illegal or unsafe. It is very homebirth friendly around here, BUT, hiring a MW in our state is illegal until August, I think. And, even then, it has lots of rules, I am sure. Plus, we really dont' have the money to pay for a MW, or the HUGE deductible if we go to the hospital. If we have to go, I will, but I want to birth without fear in the safety of my own home. Kymberli
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: littlemama24 August 08, 2007, 04:30:06 AM
I have a question for all you home-birthers...

How would you handle homebirth if you were Rh negative.  I have considered home birth before and home prenatal care as well but then always end up having to find a doc (not even just a midwife) because my blood type is Oneg and without the rhogam I could risk losing subsequent children. 

What would an Rh negative person do if they wanted homebirth?
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: DaveandMary August 08, 2007, 05:00:00 AM

What would an Rh negative person do if they wanted homebirth?

I have also been wondering about this as I am rH-   
i'm sure this has been mentioned previously in a thread somewhere, I just havent found it yet, but what about GBS + also?

thanks
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: lotsagirls August 08, 2007, 05:05:59 AM
I have a question for all you home-birthers...

How would you handle homebirth if you were Rh negative.  I have considered home birth before and home prenatal care as well but then always end up having to find a doc (not even just a midwife) because my blood type is Oneg and without the rhogam I could risk losing subsequent children. 

What would an Rh negative person do if they wanted homebirth?

I am Rh negative and planning a homebirth.  I ordered something called an eldon card with my birth kit to check the baby's blood type.  If the baby is positive I can go to my local clinic and get a shot.  Since all of my previous children are negative, my midwife said that I would not need the Rhogam shot during pregnancy.  You would only need the shot if a blood test showed that you had antibodies.
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: littlemama24 August 08, 2007, 05:15:30 AM
Ok, but you are supposed to get a shot at 28 weeks or so too and then one after delivery if the baby's blood doesn't match because it is usually during the birthing process that the antibodies or whatever are made against the + blood type.  ????
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: littlemama24 August 08, 2007, 05:16:46 AM
I suppose it isn't necessary if your husband's blood type is neg. as well, then there is no way your baby would have + blood.  My hubby is + and ALL of my children have been + too.
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: lotsagirls August 08, 2007, 05:48:27 AM
My husband is O positive and I am O negative.

The way it was explained to me, is that the shot at 28 weeks is only necessary if a previous child has positive blood or if a blood test shows that you have antibodies.

Since all of my previous children were negative, I do not need the shot at 28 weeks as my body would not have produced any antibodies.

The doctor told me that it was impossible for my husband to be positive and all of my children to be negative (I think he was implying something, but DH and I know better).  My BIL is a doctor and told me that DH probably has one + and one -  aleale (sp?) and I have 2 negatives.  Therefore, my children got negative blood from both of us.
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: ShabbyChic August 08, 2007, 06:45:11 AM
My SIL is O negative and her husband is A+.  She was told that if she did not have the shot then successive pregnancies would be impossible because her body would reject the baby and spontaneously abort. 

She has 3 kids, is not sure of their blood type, and has had the shot all three times.  I don't know if this is true or not, just what I was told.
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: JoyInHim August 08, 2007, 07:20:59 AM
Use a midwife experienced in handling these routine issues.

Mine always does routine blood & urine tests (much as an OB tests) and makes sure clients who require a shot get that.

A good midwife (lay or RN) does not want to do an homebirth without these precautions.  They want excellent results - it is also a legal issue, for them.
What would an Rh negative person do if they wanted homebirth?
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: littlemama24 August 08, 2007, 08:21:53 AM
AH, the midmives around here would require you to find a doctor to prescribe the rhogam and order the tests (bloodwork, etc) and then go from there.  The touble would then be finding a doctor who is ok with only doing those things and leaving the rest up to the midwife.  There aren't many midwives in wisconsin, atleast not in South Eastern, WI.  The one I talked to at the doctor's office the other day said that she doesn't even deliver anymore, the doctors are just kindof using them in OB practices like MA's with more time to spend with the patients and more experience.  Odd.... things are so different county to county.
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: JoyInHim August 08, 2007, 08:33:14 AM
I found a great, supportive OB through my lay midwife. 

Ask midwives which OBs they -like- to have in hospital, if they must transfer.  Some OBs allow the lay midwife to deliver in his presence, in the hospital.  Those are the kind you need to find.   ;)

Not all OBs think it is crazy to deliver safely at home.  They are well aware of the risks of being in the hospital, and intervention.

In fact our midwife has delivered OB's wive's babies at home for them!

AH, the midmives around here would require you to find a doctor to prescribe the rhogam and order the tests (bloodwork, etc) and then go from there.  The touble would then be finding a doctor who is ok with only doing those things and leaving the rest up to the midwife.  There aren't many midwives in wisconsin, atleast not in South Eastern, WI.  The one I talked to at the doctor's office the other day said that she doesn't even deliver anymore, the doctors are just kindof using them in OB practices like MA's with more time to spend with the patients and more experience.  Odd.... things are so different county to county.
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: Wing August 08, 2007, 10:46:04 AM
My question is how do you get birth certificate and social security card for unassisted birth babies?  Has anyone done this who lives in Idaho?  We are considering unassisted, but are worried about the hassle of those documents.  We have to have them to get passports because we will be a missionary family.  Also any Americans have experience getting these documents while having a baby while on the mission field?
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: Wing August 08, 2007, 11:17:05 AM
Thank you!  I can figure out how to get those things now.  Last time I had a midwife, but had to get a notarized letter from my pastor saying that yes, I really was pregnant and I really did have a baby.  Maybe I will convert to Catholicism for a few days just to get a baptismal certificate  ;).
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: mommie August 08, 2007, 12:17:00 PM
:) lol. were you here in the States here? that's odd when I had a midwife I didn't have to do anything.
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: Wing August 08, 2007, 12:24:16 PM
Yes I was in Idaho but our midwife had just had a baby herself, and some sort of new regulation said you had to deliver a minimum of 4 a year to stay on as a qualified registered midwife.  It was something like that, and I was only her 3rd that year.  The people at the vital stats office said if I knew a congressman or politician, they could "verify" that I was pregnant and write a letter for me as a form of ID.  I do still live on planet earth, right? 
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: littlemama24 August 09, 2007, 03:21:24 AM
Yes I was in Idaho but our midwife had just had a baby herself, and some sort of new regulation said you had to deliver a minimum of 4 a year to stay on as a qualified registered midwife.  It was something like that, and I was only her 3rd that year.  The people at the vital stats office said if I knew a congressman or politician, they could "verify" that I was pregnant and write a letter for me as a form of ID.  I do still live on planet earth, right? 



hee hee hee next we'll here the WTM Dad's are running for office just so they can deliver their own children at home and then be able to verify their wives were pregnant!  hee hee

Hey, I'd vote for 'em! ;D
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: Seeker of Truth August 14, 2007, 12:52:34 PM
My SIL is O negative and her husband is A+.  She was told that if she did not have the shot then successive pregnancies would be impossible because her body would reject the baby and spontaneously abort. 

She has 3 kids, is not sure of their blood type, and has had the shot all three times.  I don't know if this is true or not, just what I was told.

I am O- and my DH is A+. Here is what I've learned about the Rh factor (in " " below from Wikipedia) and from my midwives:

"Hemolytic disease of the newborn is also called Erythroblastosis Fetalis. This condition occurs when there is an incompatibility between the blood types of the mother and the baby. These terms do not indicate which specific antigen-antibody incompatibility is implicated.

hemolytic comes from two words: hemo (blood) and lysis (destruction) or breaking down of red blood cells
erythroblastosis refers to the making of immature red blood cells
fetalis refers to the fetus
When the condition is caused by the RhD antigen-antibody incompatibility, it is called RhD Hemolytic disease of the newborn (often called Rhesus disease or Rh disease for brevity). Here, sensitization to Rh D antigens (usually by feto-maternal transfusion during pregnancy) may lead to the production of maternal IgG anti-RhD antibodies which can pass through the placenta. This is of particular importance to RhD negative females of or below childbearing age, because any subsequent pregnancy may be affected by the Rhesus D hemolytic disease of the newborn if the baby is Rh D positive. The vast majority of Rh disease is preventable in modern antenatal care by injections of IgG anti-D antibodies (Rho(D) Immune Globulin). The incidence of Rhesus disease is mathematically related to the frequency of RhD negative individuals in a population, so Rhesus disease is rare in East Asians and Africans, but more common in Caucasians.

Symptoms and signs in the Fetus:
Enlarged liver, spleen, or heart and fluid buildup in the fetus' abdomen seen via ultrasound.
Symptoms and signs in the Newborn:
Anemia which creates the newborn's pallor (pale appearance).
Jaundice or yellow discoloration of the newborn's skin, sclera or mucous membrane. This may be evident right after birth or after 24 - 48 hours after birth. This is caused by bilirubin (one of the end products of red blood cell destruction).
Enlargement of the newborn's liver and spleen.
The newborn may have severe edema of the entire body.
Dyspnea or difficulty breathing"

The only reason why any woman who is Rh- at 28 weeks would "NEED" a Rhogam shot would be if she has had a child who is positive without having a Rhogam shot previously. If she has not had an Rh+ baby, or has not had children before, it is totally unnecessary (my CNM admitted to this). Now if an Rh- woman HAS an Rh+ baby, she has 72 hours to get the Rhogam shot BEFORE her body produces antibodies. IF she is unable to get the shot within 72 hours, then the next time she is pregnant, she "could" (notice I'm not saying "must" because I believe that there is a degree of faith involved in all this... Rh- women have been having babies for centuries, and God is in total control) get the Rhogam shot at 28 week during her NEXT pregnancy. If you really read the wikipedia article, you will notice that there is no certainty of your body aborting the baby, God is still in total control.

I hope that helps clear up some of this Rh- stuff! :-) Your SIL should have no worries at this time since she has had the shot all 3 times. If she's curious, she can ask whomever has her children's records what their blood types are (a good fact to know regardless) and then take that into consideration when #4 comes along.

My biggest concern with the Rhogam shot was that I was unable to find the ingredients of the shot anywhere in the information contained with the shot and wanted to make sure that I wasn't injecting anything that would violate my conscience (ie contains fetal tissue, mercury "thimerasol", etc.)
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: Seeker of Truth August 14, 2007, 12:56:06 PM
Here is a link for more information regarding Hemolytic Disease of the Newborn that is also VERY informative. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolytic_disease_of_the_newborn

::) Yes I love learning new things  ;D
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: Seeker of Truth August 14, 2007, 01:08:52 PM
OK now my turn for a question!  :-X *LOL* I am prego with #3, due Jan. 1 and am wanting to have an unassisted home birth. DH is totally supportive and honestly I think more excited about the idea than I!  :D I had a waterbirth last time, resulting my 10lb 5oz.  :o little "Asherman" or "Basherman" b/c he was so big!

So all this to say.... as for supplies what do I need for a waterbirth that would be different than from a traditional type of birth? Also since we don't have a midwife available where we live, where could my DH learn how to tell if the baby is head down, engaged, etc.? And has anyone broken their water "artificially" with an amniohook? Both times previously I had to have mine broken ("had" meaning my midwives told me I had "an abnormally thick bag of waters"). So those are some of my concerns besides having all the necessary items at hand.

Also has anyone heard of or read "Unassited Homebirth: An Act of Love by Lynn M. Griesemer? Was it good in preparation for an UHB? My largest concern is being prepared for the "emergency" type things.

Thank you ladies so much for all that you have shared in this thread! I have benefitted GREATLY from it.  :) I'm looking forward to learning more!
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: herbalmom August 14, 2007, 01:09:49 PM
My biggest concern with the Rhogam shot was that I was unable to find the ingredients of the shot anywhere in the information contained with the shot and wanted to make sure that I wasn't injecting anything that would violate my conscience (ie contains fetal tissue, mercury "thimerasol", etc.)

I am also O- & DH is pos as is all 3 kids. I do remember from the handout they gave me when I got the shot with one of the kids (I think it was with my youngest) that Rhogam IS a blood product. That's why they have to type & cross match before giving it. Just thought I would let everyone know. For myself, I haven't decided if I will have it again if I ever have another baby. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Seeker of Truth August 14, 2007, 01:23:40 PM
My biggest concern with the Rhogam shot was that I was unable to find the ingredients of the shot anywhere in the information contained with the shot and wanted to make sure that I wasn't injecting anything that would violate my conscience (ie contains fetal tissue, mercury "thimerasol", etc.)

I am also O- & DH is pos as is all 3 kids. I do remember from the handout they gave me when I got the shot with one of the kids (I think it was with my youngest) that Rhogam IS a blood product. That's why they have to type & cross match before giving it. Just thought I would let everyone know. For myself, I haven't decided if I will have it again if I ever have another baby. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

Well I just went on their website and called their customer service hotline (800) 421-3311 to ask where they get their "human blood plasma" and was told that it does NOT come from aborted fetuses. He said it comes from "closely monitored blood plasma donors" I might call a few more times with the same exact question to see what kind of responses you'd get  8) It DOES say that it is mercury/thimersol and latex-free, but I'm with you herbalmom, I'm not so sure if I can trust that type of thing!
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: lotsaboys August 14, 2007, 01:27:29 PM

So all this to say.... as for supplies what do I need for a waterbirth that would be different than from a traditional type of birth?


Don't know what you're planning for the tub, but we loved using a big plastic liner because it made the cleanup SO easy! We just used a good, sturdy inflatable kiddie pool. That was about all I got around besides normal supplies. Oh yeah, we put sea salt in the water- it was recommended to us as it makes the water saline like amniotic fluid.

Oh and if you wear something, its nice to have something that isn't too cold and clingy for when you get out (to use the toilet, etc.).

HTH!
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: herbalmom August 14, 2007, 02:34:09 PM
My biggest concern with the Rhogam shot was that I was unable to find the ingredients of the shot anywhere in the information contained with the shot and wanted to make sure that I wasn't injecting anything that would violate my conscience (ie contains fetal tissue, mercury "thimerasol", etc.)
I am also O- & DH is pos as is all 3 kids. I do remember from the handout they gave me when I got the shot with one of the kids (I think it was with my youngest) that Rhogam IS a blood product. That's why they have to type & cross match before giving it. Just thought I would let everyone know. For myself, I haven't decided if I will have it again if I ever have another baby. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
Well I just went on their website and called their customer service hotline (800) 421-3311 to ask where they get their "human blood plasma" and was told that it does NOT come from aborted fetuses. He said it comes from "closely monitored blood plasma donors" I might call a few more times with the same exact question to see what kind of responses you'd get  8) It DOES say that it is mercury/thimersol and latex-free, but I'm with you herbalmom, I'm not so sure if I can trust that type of thing!

After AIDS was discovered the same warnings that were given to blood recipients was given for anyone that had Rhogam before they started screening for AIDS, etc. That's reason enough to worry, IMO- after all it IS a blood product. My reasons for debating about getting it again have to do with what the Bible says about blood being forbidden. I don't want to get a subject that belongs on 7XS started here but that's why I haven't made up my mind. Blessings ~herbalmom 
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: JoyInHim August 14, 2007, 04:53:11 PM
Maybe it varies by state.  We simply filled out the application and sent it in, 4 different times.  The hospital sends it for a hospital birth.

One of our children has a sibling down as 'midwife' because she helped, at age 7.  Our midwife filled that in (because she was LATE)  ;D


My question is how do you get birth certificate and social security card for unassisted birth babies?  Has anyone done this who lives in Idaho?  We are considering unassisted, but are worried about the hassle of those documents.  We have to have them to get passports because we will be a missionary family.  Also any Americans have experience getting these documents while having a baby while on the mission field?
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: Simply Kristen August 14, 2007, 04:59:22 PM

My question is how do you get birth certificate and social security card for unassisted birth babies?  Has anyone done this who lives in Idaho?  We are considering unassisted, but are worried about the hassle of those documents.  We have to have them to get passports because we will be a missionary family.  Also any Americans have experience getting these documents while having a baby while on the mission field?

I know people without social security #s that have travelled abroad.
Are you sure you have to have a SS # to get a passport?


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: Wing August 14, 2007, 06:36:00 PM
JoyinHim, did you have to send it in four times because you got no response?  This looks like it will be an adventure, but I like a good challenge.  I'm hoping that since my husband is an EMT that will make a difference.  The passport office told me I had to have a social security number, but maybe I just have to find a loophole or ask the right person.  Thanks for the info!
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: russiabear August 15, 2007, 01:50:22 AM
Hmmm you do NOT need a SS # to get a passport.  We had an unassisted homebirth overseas - in Russia.  Here's what we did..
1. make sure and go to at least 1 prenatal to register with a Dr./hospital and verify on paper that you are indeed pregnant.
2. after the birth return to the Russian Dr. to get the necessary paperwork to apply for a Russian birth certificate.
3. Take the Russian birth certificate to the american embassy and apply for a Consular report for birth abroad.  Once you have this document you can apply for an American passport.   Our daughter has a passport but still no SS#  (actually we applied for a SS# almost 2 years ago.. have yet to receive it ::) 

I would call another passport office/agency.  The rules state 2 identification, with at least one being a photo ID.  You should be able to use your marriage certificate and a driver's license.

Hope that helps..
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: mommie August 15, 2007, 06:30:21 AM
Hmmm..I wonder if its different when you have a birth in a different country...I didn't think you could get one here w/o a ss#
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: sweetestday August 15, 2007, 06:49:52 AM
Our midwife was late as well... couldn't make it until a few days later, but she had all the forms we needed to send for a birth certificate and ss#. Maybe you could find a midwife that could help you out that way, or I would think a courthouse would have the right forms you'd need.
We just applied for passports, and we did need ss#'s for all of us, so I'm glad we got them for the boys when they were babies.
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: his.silly.wife August 15, 2007, 07:13:17 AM
Our midwife was late as well... couldn't make it until a few days later, but she had all the forms we needed to send for a birth certificate and ss#. Maybe you could find a midwife that could help you out that way, or I would think a courthouse would have the right forms you'd need.
We just applied for passports, and we did need ss#'s for all of us, so I'm glad we got them for the boys when they were babies.

We were able to get our son a passport without a SSN, we simply left it blank our filled in O's, not completely sure, it was a while ago. 
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: JoyInHim August 16, 2007, 10:38:04 AM
No, lol!  I sent 4 in...because I had 4 babies at home!

JoyinHim, did you have to send it in four times because you got no response?  This looks like it will be an adventure, but I like a good challenge.  I'm hoping that since my husband is an EMT that will make a difference.  The passport office told me I had to have a social security number, but maybe I just have to find a loophole or ask the right person.  Thanks for the info!
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: ForeverGirl August 17, 2007, 11:28:09 AM
Hi all,
I had a couple ladies write recently to ask if my hubby had any advice for their hubbies in doing an UHB. He said that "Heart and Hands" book was a good resource for him. We have to warn you about the pictures though - they are very explicit. For some men this is okay, maybe because they are mechanically minded or medically-minded???
Gabe used to be a paramedic and saw lots of living and dead people in every state of undress, so it may be different for him.

But, you can always just go through the book with a marker and dress those pregnant mama examples.

He said the most important thing would be to try to see some live births, even if it is just a goat, dog, horse, etc... I think there are some TV shows that film human births? Even for a doctor, it is usually 2- 4 years post-graduate text book work, and then usually 4 years internship - hands-on work. If your husband has already been with you for a birth, and feels confident he can do it, then that's a definite plus. At least you know he isn't going to faint on you.  ;D


Rebekah
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: JoyInHim August 18, 2007, 10:02:19 AM
Our midwife keeps videos of her births (for mamas who want their births taped.)  Watching a couple of those is required, before you hire her on.  We were impressed!  Very different from the hospital propoganda videos we had to see for the hosp. delivery ('and here the IV is inserted, now the catheter is inserted, now the epidural is started...!!")

If you know a midwife (lay) you might ask to borrow some birth tapes.

Our midwife (lay) routinely trains all Dads in emergency childbirth (came in handy for at least one of ours who was born before mw arrived.)  So, it might be simple enough to contact a midwife and arrange for classes, if they are training Dads anyway for assisted homebirths.

Oil and hot compresses are not really a skill: apply compresses when mama shouts, 'more heat!'   ;D  (And boy, is it heavenly!)

Become skilled in preventing tears.
I would require my dh to learn these skills, if birthing at home unassisted (by choice  ::)
There is no reason to tear at home!  My midwife (2,000+ babies) has very few tears.  Find a skilled midwife and learn the techniques.

She has clients, in the last 6 weeks of pregnancy, rub Vit. E oil on the perineum and massage it daily (in the morning shower is ideal).  The Vit. E helps prepare the tough perineum to stretch and not tear.  Also, she prescribes a liquid plant-based Iron drink (I forget the brand name but check with a health food store in the refrigerated section.)  You down an ounce or two twice a day. 

By birth day, your blood supply should be rich and your 'outlet' prepared to stretch well.  Your palms should appear blotchy red & white (like sausage) which indicates good iron content, according to my midwife.  Or have your iron checked at 36 weeks.

Perineal support (to avoid a tear) is a definitely a skill to be learned - I wouldn't plan to birth alone without someone (dh) being well trained in perineal massage and delivering a head (easing it out and coaching me slowly).  Don't do the PUSH!!!  PUSH!!!   PUSH!!!  method which results in tearing.  Relax your uterus and the birth outlet, and allow your uterus to do the pushing - stay relaxed and don't 'push' against it.  I was trained to breath out 'ooooopen' during contractions around the crowning stage to deliver the head.  4 births and no tearing. 

Slow birthing allows the birth outlet to adjust and stretch.  If Dad sees white tissue, that indicates a tear is about to happen: he should massage against that area with warm oil, and support it to prevent the tear.  Mothering magazine has excellent articles on this method of birthing (slow, w/o pushing.)

By supporting the perineum during the crowning and delivery appropriately, use of warm oil and hot compresses to control stretching, and guiding you in holding back (when needed, by humming through push urges) a baby's elbow first presentation and his big ol' 15" head can be eased out without tearing (I can testify, even after a forecepts delivery).

My dh wanted the midwife to do that portion of the delivery (he did one - perfectly).  I don't know how you'd learn the supporting methods (where/how to push, how much pressure, etc) unless it is hands on? 

A main concern is hemoraging.  (during/after delivery).  So, it is important to 'read' the amount of blood lost.  Midwife apprentices practice this by tossing a cup of water onto a blue pad, and learning the amount of fluid a cup looks like, under a birthing mom.  Since it was explained to Dads this way, I imagine a midwife could train a Dad to be in this, too, so he'd know if medical care was needed in case of hemoraging.

Of course, the vast majority of women (I believe) if healthy, mentally prepared, and un-messed with, will deliver naturally, beautifully and with perfect results....even if completely alone.



Hi all,
I had a couple ladies write recently to ask if my hubby had any advice for their hubbies in doing an UHB. He said that "Heart and Hands" book was a good resource for him. We have to warn you about the pictures though - they are very explicit. For some men this is okay, maybe because they are mechanically minded or medically-minded???
Gabe used to be a paramedic and saw lots of living and dead people in every state of undress, so it may be different for him.

But, you can always just go through the book with a marker and dress those pregnant mama examples.

He said the most important thing would be to try to see some live births, even if it is just a goat, dog, horse, etc... I think there are some TV shows that film human births? Even for a doctor, it is usually 2- 4 years post-graduate text book work, and then usually 4 years internship - hands-on work. If your husband has already been with you for a birth, and feels confident he can do it, then that's a definite plus. At least you know he isn't going to faint on you.  ;D


Rebekah
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: Maria/NHM September 10, 2007, 08:12:51 AM
Does anyone know the legal status of having an unassisted birth? I tried calling a lawyer and they referred me to the hospital ??? I'm pretty sure I would not get accurate info there! With our last we had prenatal care and chose to not make it to the hospital in time. This time we are not able to find a close enough midwife for prenatal care. We feel very confident that we can handle everything on  our own. My husband is concerned that if something did go wrong we could be prosecuted. Any ideas for how to research and protect ourselves?
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: his.silly.wife September 10, 2007, 08:22:18 AM
Does anyone know the legal status of having an unassisted birth?

This might help:
http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/uc/legal.html (http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/uc/legal.html)
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: jessicah September 10, 2007, 06:37:12 PM
OK now my turn for a question!  :-X *LOL* I am prego with #3, due Jan. 1 and am wanting to have an unassisted home birth. DH is totally supportive and honestly I think more excited about the idea than I!  :D I had a waterbirth last time, resulting my 10lb 5oz.  :o little "Asherman" or "Basherman" b/c he was so big!

So all this to say.... as for supplies what do I need for a waterbirth that would be different than from a traditional type of birth? Also since we don't have a midwife available where we live, where could my DH learn how to tell if the baby is head down, engaged, etc.? And has anyone broken their water "artificially" with an amniohook? Both times previously I had to have mine broken ("had" meaning my midwives told me I had "an abnormally thick bag of waters"). So those are some of my concerns besides having all the necessary items at hand.

Also has anyone heard of or read "Unassited Homebirth: An Act of Love by Lynn M. Griesemer? Was it good in preparation for an UHB? My largest concern is being prepared for the "emergency" type things.

Thank you ladies so much for all that you have shared in this thread! I have benefitted GREATLY from it.  :) I'm looking forward to learning more!

I have that book. It is a great encourager and helpful in showing someone all the wonderful benefits of uc. But not really informative on supplies, complications,etc. My sis has a emergency childbirth handbook- it is a standard book on the market for gen. emergency studies. Anyway, this book is cheap, simple to the point and has what you need to know as far as complications go.

For supplies: do a search online for uc waterbirth- there are lots of uc websites and groups. I am sure you can find someone with some info.

I had 3 uc births after 4 hospital births. I will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the hospital if someone wants me there, b/c I LOVE my homebirths. They are such a wonderful experience for everyone involved.

I had an "accidental waterbirth" with my last baby in Feb. I got in the bath tub thinking labor was just starting and 10 minutes later I was pushing! So easy, no clean up. I had a  rubbermaid type container with all my "supplies" in our bedroom. We didnt even use a thing in it.

 
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: Youthful One September 10, 2007, 07:27:22 PM

The only reason why any woman who is Rh- at 28 weeks would "NEED" a Rhogam shot would be if she has had a child who is positive without having a Rhogam shot previously. If she has not had an Rh+ baby, or has not had children before, it is totally unnecessary (my CNM admitted to this). Now if an Rh- woman HAS an Rh+ baby, she has 72 hours to get the Rhogam shot BEFORE her body produces antibodies. IF she is unable to get the shot within 72 hours, then the next time she is pregnant, she "could" (notice I'm not saying "must" because I believe that there is a degree of faith involved in all this... Rh- women have been having babies for centuries, and God is in total control) get the Rhogam shot at 28 week during her NEXT pregnancy. If you really read the wikipedia article, you will notice that there is no certainty of your body aborting the baby, God is still in total control.

My understanding is slightly different.
The risk is if the blood of mom & baby actually get exposed to one another in utero.  In normal pregnancies, mom's blood doesn't get into baby and baby's blood doesn't get into mom.  No risk.  However, the risk comes when there is an accident of some sort (fall, car accident, etc.).  The other time the blood may get mixed is during birth, particularly of the placenta (from what I understand).

I'm O neg, dh is A+.  My first 3 kids are O neg.  My fourth is O positive.  (And I don't remember my 5th.  ::) )  My midwife's practice has been to administer the prenatal Rhogam shot (if mom so chooses, of course) at the appropriate time (28 weeks?), and only give the postpartum Rhogam shot if the baby's blood type is the opposite Rh factor.  Therefore, I have only had the 2nd shot one time.

Also, it is my understanding that if you choose to go the Rhogam shot route, it is only effective for that particular pregnancy.  I don't remember why, but I could speculate...

Oh, and btw, we are VERY against vaccinations/shots in general.  I'm glad to read of your research, as I've got much more to learn.  :)
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: mommie September 11, 2007, 09:52:20 AM
Does anyone know the legal status of having an unassisted birth? I tried calling a lawyer and they referred me to the hospital ??? I'm pretty sure I would not get accurate info there! With our last we had prenatal care and chose to not make it to the hospital in time. This time we are not able to find a close enough midwife for prenatal care. We feel very confident that we can handle everything on  our own. My husband is concerned that if something did go wrong we could be prosecuted. Any ideas for how to research and protect ourselves?

Probably all depends on how you went about it...If you didn't make it to the hospital in time what can they do about that...I believe though that your husband is allowed to deliver your baby (of course you are also allowed to refuse medical care for your children, but the state still seems to like to bully people abuot that and send cps after them and threaten them) but if you have someone who IS NOT a midwife CALLING themselves a midwife , etc THAT can be a problem...This is just all things I've just picked up from others though...no study myself. If something did happen .... I'm assuming you're thinking a death or something...maybe this is a bad question but if I delievered unassisted and the baby died I think I would just bury it myself somewhere and not report it...is that being a terrible mom?? Of course if you're worried abou the kind of something going wrong that would make you go to the hospital...I just hear they are not very nice to you...but again...Sometimes baby's come fast...THat wanst exactly the answer you were looking for I guess...if you find something more official I am interested and would love ot know....ALSO I know its been mentioned on here before but what are the best herbs to have on hand for hemmorrage?
thanks
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: refreshed September 11, 2007, 11:33:47 AM
Does anyone know the legal status of having an unassisted birth? I tried calling a lawyer and they referred me to the hospital ??? I'm pretty sure I would not get accurate info there! With our last we had prenatal care and chose to not make it to the hospital in time. This time we are not able to find a close enough midwife for prenatal care. We feel very confident that we can handle everything on  our own. My husband is concerned that if something did go wrong we could be prosecuted. Any ideas for how to research and protect ourselves?

I do not know about your state, but in Arizona, it is legal to have an unassisted home birth.  We have had two here and are preparing for #3.  My brother and sister-in-law live in Arizona as well and have had 3 unassisted home births.  It is legal, but the state does not like to deal with you when trying to secure a birth certificate.  They will give you a very hard time, but it is worth it and we have never been contacted by any government agency (CPS) about having a home birth.  However, that's the law here.  It may be different in other states.  I would contact the Department of Health Services and find out the requirements for getting a birth certificate after a home birth or perhaps see if you can get a copy of the statutes for your state.  Ours has them online.  You should be able to find out something there. 

Just a side note.  Midwifery is also legal here, but only to certified midwives.  If you go to the hospital with a lay midwife, she will have to come as a "friend".  Hope this helps.
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: Maria/NHM September 11, 2007, 01:37:53 PM
From what I've found UC is legal in all states except Nebraska. A father cannot deliver a baby in Nebraska but the law says nothing about the mother. We had decided to do an UC but my mother in law has scared my husband into thinking he will go to jail if anything would happen to the baby or me. I know it's legal to deliver at home but I wonder if they could get you for being a negligent parent? I haven't been able to find any cases of parents being prosecuted but would like to find some concrete evidence to make DH feel more at peace. He feels that having the baby at home is best but gets very fearful of the birthing process and his Mom is not helping >:( I thought about presenting her with the stats on home birthing but I doubt that would help. Her life is ruled by fear not by facts. I wish I could move and disconnect my phone for the next nine months ;D ;)

As for hemorrhage I have read the Cayenne is very affective. Last time I had capsules but I would also like to make a tincture. The tincture is made by covering peppers with vodka and blending in a blender. Strain and store in a dark glass jar. This can be taken orally or squirted into the uterus if there is post delivery hemorrhage. I personally found that drinking Mama's Red raspberry tea really cut down on my postpartum bleeding. I was amazed at how little I bled compared to my other deliveries.
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: Youthful One September 11, 2007, 07:54:28 PM

As for hemorrhage I have read the Cayenne is very affective...

 This can be taken orally or squirted into the uterus...

:o  Would that be painful?  (sorry, just curious  ::))
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: Maria/NHM September 12, 2007, 02:15:46 AM

As for hemorrhage I have read the Cayenne is very affective...

 This can be taken orally or squirted into the uterus...

:o  Would that be painful?  (sorry, just curious  ::))

You know I've wondered the same thing! I don't know but for an emergency I would do it anyway. I've been told that putting cayenne powder in an open wound to stop bleeding doesn't hurt , it just feels very warm. I've never tried it personally though.
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: JoyInHim September 12, 2007, 03:22:50 AM
My 2nd baby was very large and presented arm first.  He would have been birthed 'in the caul' or with the sack in tact - tradition indicates that babies born in the caul will be midwives!  (or mid-husbands!)  There is no reason I am aware of, that a sack 'must' be broken - although it typically removes some of the bulk (the water) and the baby comes along more quickly once you break it.

By the transition, the bulge of sack was uncomfortable between contractions, and when I complained about this, my midwife quietly said, 'just go ahead and put your hand on it.  Break the sack with your nail - it will tear.'  I decided I didn't want to try this, as I was really focusing on managing the contractions at that point, and asked her to.  She was wearing gloves but managed to easily tear the sack and got a bit of a shower.   ;)

I thought this would encourage you that you don't need a special 'tool' to do this!
 ;D



And has anyone broken their water "artificially" with an amniohook? Both times previously I had to have mine broken ("had" meaning my midwives told me I had "an abnormally thick bag of waters").
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: Youthful One September 12, 2007, 09:25:00 PM
OK now my turn for a question!  :-X *LOL* I am prego with #3, due Jan. 1 and am wanting to have an unassisted home birth. DH is totally supportive and honestly I think more excited about the idea than I!  :D I had a waterbirth last time, resulting my 10lb 5oz.  :o little "Asherman" or "Basherman" b/c he was so big!

So all this to say.... as for supplies what do I need for a waterbirth that would be different than from a traditional type of birth? Also since we don't have a midwife available where we live, where could my DH learn how to tell if the baby is head down, engaged, etc.? And has anyone broken their water "artificially" with an amniohook? Both times previously I had to have mine broken ("had" meaning my midwives told me I had "an abnormally thick bag of waters"). So those are some of my concerns besides having all the necessary items at hand.

Also has anyone heard of or read "Unassited Homebirth: An Act of Love by Lynn M. Griesemer? Was it good in preparation for an UHB? My largest concern is being prepared for the "emergency" type things.

Thank you ladies so much for all that you have shared in this thread! I have benefitted GREATLY from it.  :) I'm looking forward to learning more!
Two things I must say (and I'll do my best to limit it to two):

1) THE best birth book I've read is Ina May's Guide to Childbirth (http://www.inamay.com/) by Ina May Gaskin.  It has loads of insightful birth stories and wonderful technical information as well.  It will NOT provide you the emergency info you might be looking for.  But I'd still recommend it for ANY birthing mom.  I didn't read it until I was prego with #5 and wished I'd had it for all of my births!

2) Have you checked out Waterbirth International (http://www.waterbirth.org)?  I'm on their email list and just got an email the other day about a sale they are having.  The only thing is, there is a link in the email that guarantees you 20% off any birth pools and supplies purchase over $125.  I suppose if you (or anybody else) is interested, PM me with your email address and I'll forward you the email so you can get the discount.  ;D

I've waterbirthed 4 of my 5, and the last one was nearly unassisted (intentionally - we waited to phone our dear friend and wonderful midwife until it was too late for her to make it in time  ::)).

Oh - here are the links I've got in my favorites of UC sites.  Sorry if some are duplicates for you.  Not in any particular order.  :)

www.unassistedchildbirth.com/
- The most comprehensive list of UC birth stories.  Plus a wealth of information.  EXCELLENT.  Beware of explicit photos/videos.  :o

www.birthjunkie.com/homebirth/

www.christianuc.com

www.lamaze.org/MediaProfessionals/CarePracticePapers/tabid/90/Default.aspx

www.spinningbabies.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

www.unassistedhomebirth.com/
-also has a great list of links to more UC sites and info

www.unassistedhomebirth.com/fathers/
- Written by the husband/father for a man's point of view.  WELL DONE
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: mhoward1999 October 10, 2007, 12:20:38 PM
I'm sorry to rudely interject, but I can't figure out how to PM. I think this is my very first post on WTM, though I've been reading for at least a year! LOL!  Sparkys9  I'd LOVE to talk to you. I live near Joplin. My e-mail is mhoward1999@yahoo.com

Thank you ladies so very, very much for all your posting! It's so encouraging to me to read what y'all write! ...even if I never do feel competent to even post after "listening" to all of you "talk."  :D


Hi, everybody! I am new here, so I hope I don't mess up. I found out about this website from a client. I am a direct-entry midwife practicing in SW MO. I charge $900 and add agas allowance, if I do all the driving. This often happens ,as most of my clients are Amish or Mennonite. The most experienced midwives in this area charge $1800-2000.CNM's charge $3500. Most of the midwives I know will take barter for some or all of their fee.I have taken stovewood, work on my house, a beautiful hand-made headboard for one of my children, chiropractic care, etc, in exchange. This is one of the ministries God has given me. I don't believe in asking others to do more than I could do, and my DH and I decided this was a reasonable amount. I might add that I am still of childbearing age and who knows, I might have to pay somebody again,too!LOL!Keep in mind that CNM have more overhead (insurance,etc) and some of that cost will be deferrred to you. All midwives are different, you just have to ask!
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: floydian October 10, 2007, 02:43:30 PM
I'm sorry to rudely interject, but I can't figure out how to PM. I think this is my very first post on WTM, though I've been reading for at least a year! LOL!  Sparkys9  I'd LOVE to talk to you. I live near Joplin. My e-mail is mhoward1999@yahoo.com

Thank you ladies so very, very much for all your posting! It's so encouraging to me to read what y'all write! ...even if I never do feel competent to even post after "listening" to all of you "talk."  :D




Hi, everybody! I am new here, so I hope I don't mess up. I found out about this website from a client. I am a direct-entry midwife practicing in SW MO. I charge $900 and add agas allowance, if I do all the driving. This often happens ,as most of my clients are Amish or Mennonite. The most experienced midwives in this area charge $1800-2000.CNM's charge $3500. Most of the midwives I know will take barter for some or all of their fee.I have taken stovewood, work on my house, a beautiful hand-made headboard for one of my children, chiropractic care, etc, in exchange. This is one of the ministries God has given me. I don't believe in asking others to do more than I could do, and my DH and I decided this was a reasonable amount. I might add that I am still of childbearing age and who knows, I might have to pay somebody again,too!LOL!Keep in mind that CNM have more overhead (insurance,etc) and some of that cost will be deferrred to you. All midwives are different, you just have to ask!

Never had an unassisted homebirth, but don't feel shy.  Come join the fun.  Noone will bite!
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: mhoward1999 October 10, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
Thank you to the folks who've PM'ed me. Apparently I can't even read PM's that people send me. Someone e-mailed me a thread to read about PM'ing, so I'm off to read it now.  ;)
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: LoveSunflowers November 27, 2007, 10:52:23 AM
Here is an interesting article:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Ricki-Lake-launches-home-birth-campaign/2007/11/02/1193619126797.html
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: refreshed November 28, 2007, 10:53:12 AM
I thought I would post my question here, even though it is more a question of where to get an ultrasound.

My husband has delivered our last 2 at home and our first was also a home birth.  With this 4th pregnancy, I have had some questions about whether or not I am having twins.  I won't go into all the details, but I am unsure and although we had planned on my husband delivering this baby as well, he is not at all comfortable with the thought of delivering two babies. 

My question is, do any of you know of anyone that has had a successful unassisted home birth delivering twins?  Or does anyone know of a way to get an ultrasound without having a referral from a doctor or midwife?  With our last baby, there was a man that worked in a cardiac clinic that would do ultrasounds for expecting mothers on the side, but he is not doing that now.  If we are not expecting two, my husband will deliver the baby.  But if we are, I need to know in advance because we would have to find a midwife (or doctor) before much longer--I'm already 23 weeks.

If anyone has any input, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  Thanks in advance!
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: Mama Sita November 28, 2007, 11:08:28 AM
I thought I would post my question here, even though it is more a question of where to get an ultrasound.

My husband has delivered our last 2 at home and our first was also a home birth.  With this 4th pregnancy, I have had some questions about whether or not I am having twins.  I won't go into all the details, but I am unsure and although we had planned on my husband delivering this baby as well, he is not at all comfortable with the thought of delivering two babies. 

My question is, do any of you know of anyone that has had a successful unassisted home birth delivering twins?  Or does anyone know of a way to get an ultrasound without having a referral from a doctor or midwife?  With our last baby, there was a man that worked in a cardiac clinic that would do ultrasounds for expecting mothers on the side, but he is not doing that now.  If we are not expecting two, my husband will deliver the baby.  But if we are, I need to know in advance because we would have to find a midwife (or doctor) before much longer--I'm already 23 weeks.

If anyone has any input, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  Thanks in advance!

Hello refreshed,
The first thing that comes to my mind is that some of the pregnancy help centers are now doing ultrasounds. Would you be close to any of these that may be able to help you?
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: mhoward1999 November 28, 2007, 01:11:16 PM
There are also those places that do the 3D ultrasounds that are more of a keepsake/novelty than for medical purposes. There used to be one in my area called "Daddy Did It." I don't know if they are still in business, though. We are in SW MO, so I am guessing if you are remotely close to a major city, you should be able to find a place like that. HTH!
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: mommie November 28, 2007, 01:18:51 PM
yeah with my first I did my pregnancy test at  a Crisis Pregnancy Center (which I needed for the birth ceert since it was "unassissted") but I know they do ultra sounds too now
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: Simply Kristen November 28, 2007, 01:37:12 PM
You can always do an initial OB visit with someone and request an ultrasound. There is no law you have to go back if you aren't having twins!  :D

Only thing is... its expensive if you don't have insurance covering that visit.
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: refreshed November 28, 2007, 09:12:23 PM
Thanks for all the advice!

I tried the 3-D ultrasound places but they won't do one if you aren't under the care of a physician and have already had an ultrasound!?!  Why would I go if I had already had one? ???

Anyway, we have a crisis pregnancy center in our town, but when I called them, they acted as if I had committed a major crime in having a home birth.  They told me I had to go to a doctor.   ::)  I know they are working with a good low-cost Christian clinic in town to do ultrasounds, but I believe it is only for teenage pregnancies or you have to have a referral from a doctor or midwife.  Anyway, I was not impressed with how they treated me as a pregnant woman seeking help. :P  I'd hate to be a pregnant unmarried teen in our town if they treated me, a happily married wife and mother of 3, that way.

The initial visit idea might be something.  My husband is not real fond of doctors though and I'm not sure what he would think about that.  Thanks for the advice, everyone!  This forum is great!
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: herbalmom November 28, 2007, 09:21:59 PM
What about getting a Doppler & checking for 2 fetal heatbeats? Still will only rule IN twins if you find 2 heatbeats since from what I understand with twins if one is in front (compaired to side by side) the body of the one in front can block the heartbeat of the one in back (but I could be wrong on that one) but if you did find 2 fetal heatbeats you would know that you need to find a Dr or midwife. Just an idea, I don't know if it's a good one. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: heatheronthehill November 29, 2007, 03:46:19 AM
My question is, do any of you know of anyone that has had a successful unassisted home birth delivering twins? 

In my childbirth class we saw a video of an unassisted homebirth with twins.  It was amazing!  The mom did it all really - the husband just video taped the whole thing!  The video may even be on the internet, though I'm not sure.

The thing with twins is the strong chance of one being breech.  (in the video one was a surprise footling breech)  If you go unassisted, I would definitely read up on how to handle that.

Do you have any Amish midwives in the area?  I've heard that if you have twins and want a homebirth that this is the way to go.  They've seen it all!   ;D

BLESSINGS!!
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: refreshed November 29, 2007, 10:23:44 AM
I hadn't thought of using a Doppler.  That's a good idea.  We have a fetascope, but have only heard one heartbeat so far.  Maybe a Doppler would be a little more distinct.

I had never really heard of Amish midwives.  I'm sure they have seen quite a bit of unusual stuff.  I don't think there are any in our area, but I'll have to check into that.  That's neat about the video as well.  I'll have to check for it online.  Do you remember how they turned the breech baby?  If we decide to go ahead (assuming there are two), I'll definitely have to research that forward and backward.
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: diaperswyper November 29, 2007, 11:25:28 AM
Refreshed, i'm expecting twins,do you know if you're measuring bigger than normal? Could your dh measure you? I measured 4 wks ahead at 15 wks, 8 wks ahead at 18 wks and 10 wks ahead ever since. My midwife said most people measure progressively bigger with each visit.
 Also, could you meet with a midwife, and have her do an exam?
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: Youthful One November 29, 2007, 11:40:03 AM
I had never really heard of Amish midwives.  I'm sure they have seen quite a bit of unusual stuff. 
Really?  ???  Like what?  ???  Why?

--------------------
There are a few UC websites online - you might find a twins testimony on one of them.  I ran across a UC forum last night too - you might ask the ladies on there if anybody has a good UC twins testimony. :)

Here are the sites I know of so far:
(I'm not super-familiar with them, but I've got them bookmarked in case I get to have another baby.;)  )

http://www.birthjunkie.com/homebirth/
- has a forum

http://www.christianuc.com/index.php
- has a forum - looks real promising

http://www.unassistedhomebirth.com/

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/

HTH!
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: heatheronthehill November 29, 2007, 11:53:15 AM
No personal experience with Amish midwives, just what I had heard...

Oh and the midwives themselves are not necessarily Amish, just women that are midwives for the Amish...

Anyway, since Amish women completely avoid hospitals, the Amish midwives are accustomed to more unusual births - all kinds of breeches, twins, etc...  Also, the Amish tend to have LOTS of babies.  I know a lady whose sister found out 3 days before her birth that she had twins.  She had been planning a home birth, and her midwife would not do her birth because of the twins.  She still wanted to have a home birth though, so she found an Amish midwife who would do it.  I would imagine most would be lay midwives.  Anyway...  HTH

Oh and on the video - no, they didn't turn the breech baby.  It was a surprise breech.  During that part, the mother reached up to feel the baby coming out and she cursed (there is a little bit of that in there) and said, "It's a footling", then the camera zoomed way in a little later and you could see the little foot sticking out!!  She had the baby just fine though and it was safe.  That twin was over 8 lbs. too!  Anyway, it was a really cool video! 
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: refreshed November 30, 2007, 09:08:04 AM
Wow, heatheronthehill, that's an amazing story!  That mother has more composure in her little finger during labor than I do in my entire body!  :D

Youthful One--Thanks for the links to the websites.  I've been to a couple before, but I'll look for the information there.

diaperswyper--I am measuring bigger than normal.  Right now, I am 23 weeks and measuring 28.  It's not a huge difference, but I never measured that big with my others.  I wasn't any more overweight before I got pregnant than I was with the others either.  I could just have gained too much weight (25 lbs so far), but with all my other symptoms (extreme exhaustion, back pain early on, my worst morning sickness ever,  measuring bigger), I am researching the possibility of twins.  It's not something my husband wants to be surprised with during labor.  I do have the name of a midwife I could meet with.  I just have to call her and see what, if anything, she could do to help.  That will probably be my next step.  Congratulations on your twins!
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: YoopreMama November 30, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
Oh and on the video - no, they didn't turn the breech baby.  It was a surprise breech.  During that part, the mother reached up to feel the baby coming out and she cursed (there is a little bit of that in there) and said, "It's a footling", then the camera zoomed way in a little later and you could see the little foot sticking out!!  She had the baby just fine though and it was safe.  That twin was over 8 lbs. too!  Anyway, it was a really cool video! 
I've seen that amazing video, too, and you can find their story online...
http://www.earthbirthproductions.com/index_files/Page722.htm
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: LKS November 30, 2007, 01:26:24 PM
Interesting family  ::). I cannot believe someone would SELL their birthing video. Is it just me? :-\
LKS
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: amy3js November 30, 2007, 04:12:10 PM
Interesting family  ::). I cannot believe someone would SELL their birthing video. Is it just me? :-\
LKS

Hee hee. No, it shocks me too, but I am glad they do because they can be informational for those wanting to learn the ins and outs of home birthing.
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: Sombra December 03, 2007, 02:25:52 PM
While we're on the topic... what books or other sources do you reccommend for unassissted homebirths? We've had two wonderful homebirths with a midwife and I'd like to go it alone next time. I know my husband would be more comfortable 'knowing' more beforehand. Any suggestions?

Give www.christianuc.com a try. there's a forum with many ladies who have a wealth of knowledge there.

Oh, and on the subject of supplies.. I birthed UC with just a shower curtain and a new pair of shoe laces.. the shower curtain was laid on my bed to catch the fluids, the shoe lace was to tie the cord.  Everything else.. bowl to catch the placenta, scissor to cut the cord.. all just things i had at home. I also took cayene by the 1/4 teaspoon twice to stop the bleeding.
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: mommie December 03, 2007, 04:02:57 PM
cayene like an herbal tincture? didn't burn? I'm thinking cayenne pepper here??
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: Sombra December 03, 2007, 06:04:10 PM
well, if i had planned.. i'd have put it in a caplet.. but because i didn't plan, yes it burned a few minutes..  better than hemorrhaging though.  my hemorrhaged in my next birth - in hospital took about 7 weeks to recover from.
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: mommie December 04, 2007, 05:06:00 AM
the one at home w. the cayenne didn't take as long? was it just low iron levels? or guess you don't know since it was at home? I normally have real low iron levels and my 2nd birth was the lowest and I hemmoraged...but with this last one I took floradix and had the highest levels and my bleeding was soooo much better!! It felt soooo different right after delievry than it had with my others!!
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: HOMEFree December 04, 2007, 06:57:40 AM

With the excessive bleeding after labor....

My midwife told me that there was not very much blood after my last birth and she credited that to all the Raspberry Leaf Tea I drank while pregnant.

She is right... I drank a LOT.

I also took Mother's Cordial drops (tinture?) for about two months prior to giving birth. I took more than was suggested on the bottle.
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: mommie December 04, 2007, 12:47:49 PM
what is the mother's cordial for?
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: HOMEFree December 05, 2007, 01:58:11 PM
what is the mother's cordial for?

Mothers Cordial is supposedly well known in midwifery circles. The most common place to buy it is from Wise Woman Herbals. In my opinion, it tastes terrible and so I would put my drops in a spoonful of sugar and take it that way. But the stuff does work!

(https://ssl.perfora.net/wisewomanherbals.net/shop/images/SMCEL.JPG)MOTHER'S CORDIAL ELIXIR

Description: A classic formula used for more than 100 years by physicians and midwives to support healthy uterine function during the final weeks of pregnancy.
     
Ingredients: Mitchella repens (partridge berry), Caulophyllum thalictroides (blue cohosh), Viburnum opulus (cramp bark), and Chamaelirium luteum (false unicorn) in a base of mountain spring water, honey, and 10%–15% organic alcohol.

https://ssl.perfora.net/wisewomanherbals.net/consumer-catalog.asp?categoryID=36 (https://ssl.perfora.net/wisewomanherbals.net/consumer-catalog.asp?categoryID=36)
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: jessicah December 05, 2007, 07:20:26 PM
for my last UC I nearly had a dry birth. For the birth all we used was the bathtub- baby was born in the tub but NOT in the water. I hardly bled afterwards.  I washed myself and baby off before clearing the tub and we were good to go. Oh, we did use some sterile shoe strings  and scissors to cut and tie the cord.
I felt great- and looked great.  I think it was because of several things I did:

Took  Juice PLUS+ daily
          took 3 tsp liquid chlorophyll daily the last six weeks
          drank Red Raspberry brew most days throughout pregnancy

This was my third UC and seventh birth. I truly believe that these supplements made the difference. I could REALY tell I also too Juice PlUS for my second UC wit the same results.
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: KKLUVSTV December 11, 2007, 12:25:49 PM
for my last UC I nearly had a dry birth. For the birth all we used was the bathtub- baby was born in the tub but NOT in the water. I hardly bled afterwards.  I washed myself and baby off before clearing the tub and we were good to go. Oh, we did use some sterile shoe strings  and scissors to cut and tie the cord.
I felt great- and looked great.  I think it was because of several things I did:

Took  Juice PLUS+ daily
          took 3 tsp liquid chlorophyll daily the last six weeks
          drank Red Raspberry brew most days throughout pregnancy

This was my third UC and seventh birth. I truly believe that these supplements made the difference. I could REALY tell I also too Juice PlUS for my second UC wit the same results.


Did you take a prenatal in addition to the juice plus+? and at what times of day did you take the Juice+.  Our Juice+ arrived yesterday and i was wondering if I need to start off slowly taking it or can I just go ahead and take 2 capsules orchard and 2 capsules vegetables. I am battling with morning sickness and presently have a cold. So my daily intake is:

    With Breakfast - TTu, prenatal, Vitamin C, Echinecea (and today took 1 
                           orchard and 1 vegetable Juice +) Mamma's red
                           raspberry brew 1 cup
    With Lunch - TTu, Vitamin C, Echinecea
    With Supper - TTu, prenatal, Vitamin C, Echinecea (and tonight plan to 
                        take 1 orchard and 1 vegetable Juice +)
    Before Bed - protein snack TTu, Vitamin C, Echinecea, Mamma's red
                           raspberry brew 1 cup

Was wondering if I should take Juice+ at a separate time from my prenatal or if it even matters. I will take any suggestions, even if I am taking something wrong, please tell me. Right now I am around 5 weeks pregnant. Thanks so very much!!!
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: jessicah December 11, 2007, 05:20:05 PM
for my last UC I nearly had a dry birth. For the birth all we used was the bathtub- baby was born in the tub but NOT in the water. I hardly bled afterwards.  I washed myself and baby off before clearing the tub and we were good to go. Oh, we did use some sterile shoe strings  and scissors to cut and tie the cord.
I felt great- and looked great.  I think it was because of several things I did:

Took  Juice PLUS+ daily
          took 3 tsp liquid chlorophyll daily the last six weeks
          drank Red Raspberry brew most days throughout pregnancy

This was my third UC and seventh birth. I truly believe that these supplements made the difference. I could REALY tell I also too Juice PlUS for my second UC wit the same results.


Did you take a prenatal in addition to the juice plus+? and at what times of day did you take the Juice+.  Our Juice+ arrived yesterday and i was wondering if I need to start off slowly taking it or can I just go ahead and take 2 capsules orchard and 2 capsules vegetables. I am battling with morning sickness and presently have a cold. So my daily intake is:

    With Breakfast - TTu, prenatal, Vitamin C, Echinecea (and today took 1 
                           orchard and 1 vegetable Juice +) Mamma's red
                           raspberry brew 1 cup
    With Lunch - TTu, Vitamin C, Echinecea
    With Supper - TTu, prenatal, Vitamin C, Echinecea (and tonight plan to 
                        take 1 orchard and 1 vegetable Juice +)
    Before Bed - protein snack TTu, Vitamin C, Echinecea, Mamma's red
                           raspberry brew 1 cup

Was wondering if I should take Juice+ at a separate time from my prenatal or if it even matters. I will take any suggestions, even if I am taking something wrong, please tell me. Right now I am around 5 weeks pregnant. Thanks so very much!!!

I did not take a prenatal. However, Juice Plus+ has not yet done any research on pregnant woman taking only JP+ vs. taking it along with prenatals.  All of the studies have been done on woman taking both. I personally only took JP+ once I researched  it.
   If it were me, I would forgo the vitamin C now that you're taking Juice +. I would maybe even take one less TTU a day since your Juice Plus contains probiotics.
 You can take it whenever it is best for you- just make sure you take it with water. (since it is dehydrated "juice" you need to add the water back in) I started taking the recommended amount right away. However,  a few people I talked to said they experienced gas when starting. 
Here are some tips from NSA about taking Juice plus while pregnant and breastfeeding:

1. pregnant women and lactating women may use JP+ as a part of a healthy lifestyle along with other recommendations by their doctor such as taking prenatal vitamins.

2. Taking two JP+ capsules of orchard and vineyard every day, along with standard prenatal vitamins, will not result in an unhealthy excess of any vitamin or mineral.

3. Most physicans and other med. experts recommend that pregnant woman supplement their diets with 400 micrograms of folate per day. JP+ capsules 2 orchard and 2 garden, every day satisfies that requirement.

4. always inform your physician of anything you add or change to your diet .

Here is a quote from Dr. Odom, OBGYN:


“I have always recommended ‘standard issue” prenatal vitamins. But we started to see healthier pregnancies more often when I started to add Juice Plus+® to the regimen”.



I am sure that is way more info. than you needed, but I wanted  to share. I truly am grateful for finding JP+
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: KKLUVSTV December 12, 2007, 05:58:55 AM

I am sure that is way more info. than you needed, but I wanted  to share. I truly am grateful for finding JP+


Definitely not too much information. I really do like to here the why behind someone's decision, not just opinion. You have answered many of my questions on this thread and other pregnancy threads and I am truly greatful for your input.

You replied this to me- "We had no midwives close by. After praying I asked my dh if we could do it on our own-- thinking he would never in a million years say yes-- but he DID say yes. Since then we have had 3 births at home- unassisted. It was the best decision for us for sure.   Definitely nothing a husband to be his wife's one and only, next to God, during birth.  Wouldn't trade it for anything. --Jessica"   and now we may go unassisted after much prayer and my husband amazingly saying yes. We are meeting with a lady who delivered her last baby at home unassisted today and hope to glean lots of helpful information. Located her through the LaLeche league.   

I am truly greatful for the Juice+ as well. I Praise God for every resource He places before  us and enables us to purchase for the health of the baby. I am writing down notes on other things you have suggested.
                 - liquid chlorophyll last 6 weeks
                 - drank RRL tea
                 - omeg 3 supplement (anartic krill oil) the last 3 months.
                 - Juice PLUS vineyard (which is juice of nine varietes of berries
                    and grapes) the last trimester
                 - saw a chiropractor 2 times a week the last 2 months. I highly
                   recommend that!

Just a few more questions  :) What brand chlorophyll and how much???? What exactly were you seeing a chiropractor for in last 2 months?? I truly do appreciate all your help. Thanks. KK
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: jessicah December 12, 2007, 09:33:04 AM

Praise God that your dh has said yes to go UC!  Looking back at our UCs births we realized that EACH one had specific conditions that were handled in a natural way at home- that would NOT have been so had we seen a DR Or even a midwife. (ex. my last baby was 30 days past "due" - had I been seeing a dr or mw I would not have been allowed to continue one that far)
I think God blessed us b/c we trusted Him to show us what to do in each situation.

Just a few more questions  Smiley What brand chlorophyll and how much?Huh What exactly were you seeing a chiropractor for in last 2 months?? I truly do appreciate all your help. Thanks. KK

I went to the chiropractor when I was 30 weeks or so. I started having bad sciatic nerve pain. After two weeks (3 adjustments) I felt remarkably better. So I kept going 2 times a week. I did this until I was 40 wks. Then my dh was laid off. So for the last 4 weeks of being past my dd I didnt go. Right at the very end- 43 wks- I started having some sciatic pain again.
This may have contributed to the EXTREMELY easy delivery,too. I can not be sure. 

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: mhsmama4 December 12, 2007, 01:00:36 PM


I went to the chiropractor when I was 30 weeks or so. I started having bad sciatic nerve pain. After two weeks (3 adjustments) I felt remarkably better. So I kept going 2 times a week. I did this until I was 40 wks. Then my dh was laid off. So for the last 4 weeks of being past my dd I didnt go. Right at the very end- 43 wks- I started having some sciatic pain again.
This may have contributed to the EXTREMELY easy delivery,too. I can not be sure. 



I also started seeing the chiropractor for sciatica...around 25 weeks I believe.  At first I went twice per week; it was MUCH improved after the first week and almost is completely gone at this point (occasionally with LOTS of sitting I have a few "twitchy" feelings more than pain).  He was also able to help with the more frequent headaches I've been getting in the third trimester (now at 34 weeks).  At this point I just go once a week or as needed, just to keep things "tuned up" for delivery.  If you can possibly afford it, it's definitely worth trying, IMO.  It was a stretch for us, but worth it for me to be mobile and not in excruciating pain constantly.  And going more regularly, he's really cut us some deals cost-wise.
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: mhsmama4 January 03, 2008, 06:16:54 AM
I read through the first several pages of this but am out of computer time and did not see my question answered, so here it is:

We are planning an unassisted birth after an assisted pregnancy (high-risk pregnancy due to lupus/APS).  DH feels we should go to the hospital after the birth to be checked out.  I'm fine with this but a little worried that they will keep the baby for a few days but not me.  I'm wondering if it might not be better to just see the pediatrician the next day if there is not an obvious or urgent problem.  And I would see the OB too.  Obviously, if born on a weekend the hospital might be a better choice rather than waiting several days to be seen.

Any thoughts?  Thanks.
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: Roehrmomma January 03, 2008, 06:26:48 AM
Can you find a midwife to check out your baby after the birth?  If not I would say that a pediatrician would be the easiest.

Em
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: jessicah January 03, 2008, 07:48:30 AM
If that were me, we would pray about it, and pray more about it at the birth and afterwards. I think God would guide you to let you know if you or your baby would need immediate medical attention after the birth or not.  IF you baby iS born on a weekend it could be a blessing in disguise- maybe waiting until Monday would give you some quiet, relaxed time after the birth.
 I had 3 UC births. The first time we did it it baby was born on a Saturday.. Monday morning I called the OB, told hime the news  and we popped in= all he did was talk to me and asker some questions,,congrad. me,etc. Then we made a newborn checkup appt. for Wedneday with  a ped. No problems their,either.
Pray also, that both doctors you chooses are openminded about it.

For our last two homebirths- I did NOT see an OB during pregnancy or afterwards,either. We did however, bring the baby to a family doctor we know and trust to do a newborn evaluation. This made getting a birth certificate easier.


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: mhsmama4 January 03, 2008, 09:45:27 AM
Can you find a midwife to check out your baby after the birth?  If not I would say that a pediatrician would be the easiest.

Em

No, no nearby midwives.   :(  But we do have an established pediatrician that we use with our other three children.  She's kinda used to our "weirdness" since we stopped vaccinating midway with the second child.
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: AllinHisTime January 09, 2008, 08:26:11 AM
This was on Good Morning America today:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4101994

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: littlemama24 January 09, 2008, 08:44:06 AM
Thanks for sharing that AllinHisTime!
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: AllinHisTime January 09, 2008, 09:19:52 AM
This was on Good Morning America today:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4101994



All of the Dr's "concerns" posted in this clip are either avoidable or completely "do-able" during delivery.  It is very telling here how incompetent (and simply ignorant) some OB Delivery Doctors can be about how to handle complications such as breech babies and cord wrapped around the neck, etc... and everything else that is mentioned. 

When I mention the ignorance of the medical establishments, I am not questioning their intelligence.  Much of what a midwife has learned or knows is simply not taught in medical school.  I have a very good friend who also happens to be a labor and delivery doctor.  She wants to become a midwife to learn all that she did not in med school.  She feels very incompetent around midwives knowing that she lacks in knowledge of the many things they do not.  She is wonderful and is a true exception to the industry.  She also delivers at home and would never think of delivering in a hospital (as do most doctors!)

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: joyful_mommy03 January 09, 2008, 10:16:47 AM
All of the Dr's "concerns" posted in this clip are either avoidable or completely "do-able" during delivery.  It is very telling here how incompetent (and simply ignorant) OB Delivery Doctors truly are of how to handle complications such as breech babies and cord wrapped around the neck, etc... and everything else that is mentioned.  

When I mention the ignorance of the medical establishments, I am not questioning their intelligence.  Much of what a midwife has learned or knows is simply not taught in medical school.  I have a very good friend who also happens to be a labor and delivery doctor.  She wants to become a midwife to learn all that she did not in med school.  She feels very incompetent around midwives knowing that she lacks in knowledge of the many things they do not.  She is wonderful and is a true exception to the industry.  She also delivers at home and would never think of delivering in a hospital (as do most doctors!)

I am so interested in home birth, though I don't know that dh would ever feel safe enough to do it.  But, I was very interested when you said that things like breech and cord wrapped babies are complications that could be handled.  Do you know how that's done or a website I could go to in order to read more about how a good midwife deals with such issues?

Thanks a bunch!!
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: AllinHisTime January 09, 2008, 10:35:16 AM
All of the Dr's "concerns" posted in this clip are either avoidable or completely "do-able" during delivery.  It is very telling here how incompetent (and simply ignorant) OB Delivery Doctors truly are of how to handle complications such as breech babies and cord wrapped around the neck, etc... and everything else that is mentioned.  

When I mention the ignorance of the medical establishments, I am not questioning their intelligence.  Much of what a midwife has learned or knows is simply not taught in medical school.  I have a very good friend who also happens to be a labor and delivery doctor.  She wants to become a midwife to learn all that she did not in med school.  She feels very incompetent around midwives knowing that she lacks in knowledge of the many things they do not.  She is wonderful and is a true exception to the industry.  She also delivers at home and would never think of delivering in a hospital (as do most doctors!)

I am so interested in home birth, though I don't know that dh would ever feel safe enough to do it.  But, I was very interested when you said that things like breech and cord wrapped babies are complications that could be handled.  Do you know how that's done or a website I could go to in order to read more about how a good midwife deals with such issues?

Thanks a bunch!!

I would be happy to help.  I have to rush now to take a child to piano lessons but will be back with more info as soon as I can! :) 

Also, most doctors know how to deal wiith cords wrapped around a baby's neck....they simply unwrap it and aid the baby with breathing if necessary...as do midwives in a home birth.  My midwife attended a birth where the cord was wrapped around the baby's neck tightly 4 times.  She was able to assist the baby before the baby came out and simply felt around the baby's head and neck and unwrapped it while the baby was still in the birth canal.  It took some doing and was hard work but baby and mother were just fine and healthy :)  Many babies are born with the cords wrapped around their necks and it's a pretty common thing to see.  But to suggest that home-birthing is "unsafe" and absolutely necessitates hospital birth "just incase"  is absurd. 

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: HOMEFree January 09, 2008, 11:40:26 AM

I am so interested in home birth, though I don't know that dh would ever feel safe enough to do it.  But, I was very interested when you said that things like breech and cord wrapped babies are complications that could be handled.  Do you know how that's done or a website I could go to in order to read more about how a good midwife deals with such issues?

Thanks a bunch!!

Technically, talking about using a midwife is Assisted. And off topic for this thread.

However -- My third birth was a cord wrapped around the neck situation. My midwife ordered me to stop pushing while she unwrapped. The she told me to "get that baby out!!!" Boy, did I ever.
She was fine. The purple skin freaked my husband out a bit, but I was not worried at all. She got her normal color fairly quickly. Keeping the cord intact for a while is KEY to avoiding APGAR score issues.


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: AllinHisTime January 09, 2008, 12:56:13 PM
Keeping the cord intact for a while is KEY to avoiding APGAR score issues.

Thank you for sharing this.  NOT cutting the cord after it stops pulsating for a period of time will help baby, right?  Not sure of all the technical reasons why (until I do a little research) but it makes sense off the cuff to me :)
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: sweetestday January 09, 2008, 12:58:36 PM
I just wanted to say that as far as "complications" go, when people ask my midwife what she does when she encounters complications, she replies, "That depends on what you consider a complication."
To her, a cord around the neck is just something that you regularly encounter during births. You just need to be prepared, and rest in the Lord that He will give you wisdom... Not that you shouldn't be well prepared.
So, to a midwife, "complication" means a completely different thing than the hospital would say a complication is. In most hospitals, I think most any birth involves "complications" that are really completely normal events in a birth.
Just my thoughts, after reading posts about complications.  :)
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: sweetestday January 09, 2008, 01:00:13 PM
Keeping the cord intact for a while is KEY to avoiding APGAR score issues.

Thank you for sharing this.  NOT cutting the cord after it stops pulsating for a period of time will help baby, right?  Not sure of all the technical reasons why (until I do a little research) but it makes sense off the cuff to me :)

In the cord, there is still quite a bit of blood, and oxygen that will benefit the baby if left intact until empty.
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: AllinHisTime January 09, 2008, 05:24:15 PM
In the cord, there is still quite a bit of blood, and oxygen that will benefit the baby if left intact until empty.

Thank you :)

Here is a quote from a woman who posted on mothering.com in response to what the doctor interviewed said on GMA.  I know she mentions midwife assistance in here but some of the information she mentions can be very helpful in UC births as well :

Gloria Lemay's reaction to the UC piece on GMA

THESE ARE THE BULLETED "CONCERNS" MENTIONED IN THE SEGMENT:
<<The baby could be born in a breach position, or with the umbilical cord wrapped around its neck. The mother could suffer from significant tearing or from a maternal hemorrhage and bleed to death in as little as five minutes.>>

"Dear Women, the above quote is by a physician who was interviewed by Good Morning America for a program about Unassisted Birth on Jan 8, 2008.

http://abcnews. go.com/GMA/ TurningPoints/ story?id= 4098198&page=1

Please feel free to repost what I'm about to tell you. I think it's very important to address the statement that a woman can hemorrhage and bleed to death in as little as five minutes. This is a very horrifying comment for a dr to make and, for anyone who doesn't really know birth, it could be enough to send them running for the hospital.

First of all, yes, it's possible to hemorrhage and bleed to death quickly in birth IF YOU HAVE A SURGICAL WOUNDING. Women die from bleeding in cesareans and with episiotomies. The closest to death that I have ever seen a woman in childbirth was in a hospital birth where the ob/gyn cut an episiotomy, pulled the baby out quickly with forceps and then left the family doctor to repair the poor woman. We were skating in the blood on the floor and desperately trying to get enough I.V. fluids into her to save her life while the family doctor tried to suture as fast as he could. I have never seen anything like that in a home birth setting or a hospital birth that didn't involve cutting.

Think about it, would any midwife ever go to a homebirth if it was possible for the mother to die from bleeding in five minutes? I know I wouldn't go if that could happen. We had a visit here in Vancouver BC from an ob/gyn from Holland back in the 1980's. Dr. Kloosterman was the head of Dutch maternity services for many years and he was a real friend to homebirth and midwifery. He told us that you have AN HOUR after a natural birth before the woman will be in trouble from bleeding. Does this mean that you wait for an hour to take action with a bleeding woman? No, of course not. If there's more blood than is normal, you need to call 911 and transport to the hospital within the hour, but you're not going to have a maternal death before an hour is up. I have had 10 transports for hemorrhage in the many homebirths that I have attended (over 1000). Two women have required transfusions. The other 8 recovered with I. V. fluids, rest and iron supplements. Of course, no one wants to see blood transfusions in this day and age. We also don't like to see a woman anemic after having a baby because it makes the postpartum time very difficult. The most important action after having a baby is to keep the mother and baby skin to skin continuously for at least the first 4 hours.

What doctors won't tell you is that the most severe cases of postpartum anemia are in women who have had cesareans. Major abdominal surgery results in anemia. I have a friend who is a pharmacist in a hospital. He spends most of his days trying to figure out individual plans to help cesarean moms get their hemoglobin counts up. He finds these cases of severe anemia in post operative mothers very distressing.

I hope this information is helpful to you.

As far as the other nonsense this person is trying to frighten you with:

1. Significant tearing---if you look with a mirror at your vulva after birth and there seems to be skin that "flaps" away from the rest of the vulva structures, you can always go into the emergency ward and have someone suture the wound. Tears do not bleed like cuts do. This should not dissuade anyone from staying away from the place where the scalpels reside.

2. Breech position---you' ll know if your baby is breech. When the membranes release, you will see black meconium coming out the consistency of toothpaste. With a head first baby, the meconium colours the water green or brown but with a breech, the meconium is being squeezed directly out without mixing with water. The other way that you should suspect a breech presentation is if you have a feeling from about 34 weeks of pregnancy on that you have "a hard ball stuck in your ribs". Breech presentations are about 3 percent of births.

3. Cord wrapped around the neck---the smart babies put their cords around their necks to keep them out of trouble. If you have a baby with the cord around the neck, it can be unwrapped very easily either during or right after the birth. The most important thing is to keep the cord intact.

Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC Canada
Advisory Board Member, ICAN
Contributing Ed. Midwifery Today Magazine"
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: sweetestday January 10, 2008, 06:57:38 AM
That was well written. I like her comments.
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: earthymomof2 January 10, 2008, 11:47:56 AM
True that talk of midwives on this thread is OT but, interestingly, the ramifications of what the doctor said on the Good Morning America segment went way beyond unassisted birth and applied to ALL homebirthing famililies.  The whole segment started out talking about UA and then finished off saying ANY birth outside a hospital is "irresponsible". 

That really bothered me.
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: homesteadmommy January 10, 2008, 03:38:59 PM
I have been reading through this thread with great interest.  Our last baby was a unplanned for unassisted birth - midwife didn't get their in time.  the birth was perfect and my husband was so happy - he always wanted to deliver one of his babies.  Now we are looking forward to another baby and I wondered how you all deal with your fears - I am worried that the midwife won't be here again. I don't think that i would have so many fears but a lady in our church nearly died from a ruptured uterus and lost her baby while birthing at home
       I know that being in the hospital would not have prevented her situation - and I am convinced that home birth is the best for our baby - but I have so many fears. The last time our baby was born some people thought we were irresponsible by not going to the hospital when we saw we were going to be alone.  Anyway, maybe I don't have any real questions anyone can answer - I probably just need reassurance.
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: YoopreMama March 17, 2008, 09:24:35 AM
Bumping this up, as there are good posts in the the 1st few pages on supplies to have on hand for a home birth...I'm placing my order for my birth kit pretty quick here...6 weeks to go!

I should add that cayenne (mixed w/ a tincture of shepherd's purse) is what helped me w/ post partum bleeding...
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: HOMEFree March 18, 2008, 07:59:39 AM

How do you get a "birth record" following an unassisted birth?

I am planning a UC after 3 births (2 homebirths) and not sure how that all works?
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: mommie March 18, 2008, 10:53:45 AM
contact your local department for vital statistics i would call first (before birth) and find out whats needed but dont tell them your info(so they don't try to stop your home birth :)) ...for instance they nornally have differing degrees of  difficulty in obtaining a cert depending on when you apply..i just got in before the deadline before its harder to get a birth cert...i didn't call before baby so i wasn't aware of what i would be needing... plus sometimes you need proof of pregnancy and such...you could do that stuff now if you know you need it
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: refreshed March 18, 2008, 12:08:14 PM
I just wanted to say that we just had our second son born unassisted at home on the 1st.  My water broke right before midnight on the 28th but I didn't go into labor right away (which has never happened to me before).  After waiting well over 24 hours and no labor, we went to see a midwife and  she said everything was fine, just to wait.  I mention this here because of what she then told us.  She said sometimes your water will break and you won't go into labor, but there is no magic number of hours that labor has to start or you get a C-section.  She said that doctors won't tell you this, but if you have not gotten an infection and the baby is fine after 48 hours after your water breaks, then you most likely won't get an infection.  And most babies (90%) are born within 72 hours after your water breaks.  I thought this was interesting since most doctors panic and do a C-section if it's been more than 24 hours.  Just a little bit of information for those of you planning an unassisted birth.

By the way, we waited, I went into labor that night, and had my baby before bedtime, at home.  PRAISE BE TO THE LORD!  He was surely in control all the time.
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: MommyGus March 18, 2008, 05:35:15 PM

How do you get a "birth record" following an unassisted birth?



We just made a nice one on the computer (with all the vital info; baby info plus where Hubby & I were born, when & where we were married) with baby's foot prints on the back.  Had it signed by all the witnesses & notarized.  Then had it recorded at the county court house.  This was enough to get their SS# (at least in our state)
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: mommie March 18, 2008, 05:56:51 PM
wowzers thats great...must be a homebirth friendly state. I got grilled by our lady I had to have a meeting with to get the birth cert...asked all these details about the birth took notes ... on and on...will that birth cert work asa real birth cert for passports and such?
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: HOMEFree March 19, 2008, 05:53:24 AM

Yeah, makes me wonder too.

I also wonder if the interrogations are to avoid the rare occurrences of baby stealing?
Kind of wierd.
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: marksgirl March 19, 2008, 11:16:41 AM
RESOURCES
  • Shonda Parker's website there's a chart for under $2 called, "When baby arrives before the midwife  http://www.birthsupplies.com/catalog/tearoff-sheet-39when-baby-arrives39-p-460.html.  It was a nice quick reference tool.
love,
Charity
I'm still going through this thread, so I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it, but this link didn't work.  I still found the item on the website (http://www.babybirthandbeyond.com/product.sc?categoryId=57&productId=355), but it's $9.95, not $2!  Couldn't find it at Shonda Parker's website (http://www.naturallyhealthy.org/).
Does anyone know where else to find this???
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: sweetestday March 19, 2008, 11:22:56 AM
I took a picture of the one the midwife gave to us in case we needed it... which we did.  :D So if enlarged, you'd be able to read it, but I would think it is copyrighted. I should check. Oh, I took the picture to put in my boy's baby book, since we have a neat pic of my mom studying it as I'm about to give birth.
I think my midwife got hers from the inhishands website.
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: his.silly.wife March 19, 2008, 11:27:02 AM
I'm guessing here...once the birth is registered at the courthouse (county or city clerk) you would be able to get an official birth certificate from them.

When our son was born, the midwife filed the papers and all we had to do was go in and request a birth certificate.  The only confusion was, we had to convince them that we had the child in the county and not at the local hospital (two different offices involved).
However, we had friends that did an unassisted birth and they were given a run around.  So it really depends on whether the person you talk to knows what they are doing, and are familiar with the protocol for your state.
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: refreshed March 19, 2008, 11:41:24 AM
In our state (AZ), we had to give the state a form we filled out from them, a statement that I lived in Arizona at the time (utility bill), a copy of our marriage certificate, a notarized paper stating the baby's birth info and ours, and I think one other thing.  This was with our first two unassisted births.  With our most recent one, we found out that if we fill out their birth certificate form within 7 days of the birth, we don't need all the other stuff.  So, it pays to check out your options ahead of time.  Good luck!
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: MommyGus March 19, 2008, 04:48:06 PM
wowzers thats great...must be a homebirth friendly state. I got grilled by our lady I had to have a meeting with to get the birth cert...asked all these details about the birth took notes ... on and on...will that birth cert work asa real birth cert for passports and such?
I'm guessing here...once the birth is registered at the courthouse (county or city clerk) you would be able to get an official birth certificate from them.
All we have ever tried to do with them is get the SS# and it was fine.  And in our state (NE) you have to send in the birth certificate of the child you are registering for home-school.  And it worked fine for that too.  I guess it depends on your state/county requirements, and who you deal with at the office.
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: mommie March 19, 2008, 05:28:26 PM
hmmm...then I guess this is off topic a little but I might look into it regarding a passport (if your kiddos plan on visiting anywhere) Just a thought cause I know there  are varying degrees of difficulty in getting your passport depending on when you got your birth cert (my mom didn't get my sisters birth cert until she was 13...they did unassissted and finally decided driving time was rolling around soon so she might need and cert and ss# for that. :) ) although maybe each state is different for passports too...
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: Maria/NHM March 20, 2008, 03:26:21 AM
I called about getting this baby a birth certificate. We have to fill out paperwork, show them the baby, have two people NOT related to baby fill out paperwork(they don't have to attend the birth but must be notified once baby is born so they can be a witness) and all within seven days. I'm not sure who to ask to be our witnesses :-\

Last time we just called down after baby was born. They didn't quite know what to do with us but did finally give us a birth certificate. Now that I know the rules I guess We'd better follow them.
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: Roehrmomma March 20, 2008, 03:34:20 AM
have two people NOT related to baby fill out paperwork(they don't have to attend the birth but must be notified once baby is born so they can be a witness)

Your Pastor and his wife?  I have friends that didn't get a birth certificate til they were teens. That was a big pain. If you could drive with out one it would not be a problem.

Emily
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: Maria/NHM March 26, 2008, 12:17:17 PM
Anyone else planning an unassisted birth? I miss living close to midwives and I'm feeling a little alone. I think the thing I miss the most is having someone that's excited about birthing to talk too :D
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: YoopreMama March 26, 2008, 05:37:34 PM
Ella- :)
Sometimes I THINK we'll be going w/o the midwife when she's so far away, and I sense that this labor will be faster than the other, but ??? .  If this one goes well, I'd think about going unassisted for the next...I think my mom and MIL are afraid we'll be going it alone for this one.   :D

Will you have a female friend/relative for support or just your Dh/children?  That statistic about merely having a female PRESENT while you labor (doing nothing for support) lowering C-S rates by 50% is pretty amazing...altho' we have a very low C-S rate here on WTM.

You could always line up a live podcast w/ KristenA while in labor, and we could get on speaker phone or IM or something so you're not alone!  ;D
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: jessicah April 30, 2008, 07:26:38 PM
I am not planning one now - we need some time before we have another- but I had 3 unassisted births and wouldnt have it any other way! How exciting for you to have one! Is this your first?
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: marksgirl April 30, 2008, 07:59:24 PM
Anyone else planning an unassisted birth? I miss living close to midwives and I'm feeling a little alone. I think the thing I miss the most is having someone that's excited about birthing to talk too :D

We are planning on unassisted.  My last one was (though not planned) and it was great.  My mom was there which probably helped dh cope better, though I honestly would have preferred it be just the two of us.  It will be this time, though!  Last time I wanted UC, but dh was kind of freaked about the possibility of problems, so we went to a mw.

I'll post this eventually on the birth stories thread, but I'll tell it here first:
I was due on Mother's Day, but no baby.  Had contractions all the next day.  My sis and mom drove over, but when mw showed up in the afternoon, nothing.  No thinning, no dilating.  >:( Bummer!  She gave me some herb combo that made the contractions come about 3 minutes apart, but after an hour+ still no change, so she went home.  She said I could still go another week or so, but that it'd probably be fast, and she was right!  I woke up early in the morning, had 3 really strong cx before getting out of bed to hit the bathroom, my water broke (first time for me), woke dh up who went and woke up my mom.  Dh was so sweet, he was going to go fill up the pool we had, but I hollered real loud and banged on the wall from the toilet and he came running.  He got the mw on the phone who told him to help me get off the toilet (I wasn't able to speak coherently) and down on my hands and knees and the baby came out lickety split, about 15 minutes after I woke up!  I don't think he's as worried this time about going it alone.  I won't count on the "real quick" delivery, though it would be kind of nice! ;)
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: ReneeMarie June 26, 2008, 09:59:57 AM

How do you get a "birth record" following an unassisted birth?

I am planning a UC after 3 births (2 homebirths) and not sure how that all works?



Hey there,
   Just had a unassisted home birth in KS and was clueless on what I needed to do to get a birth certificate. Finally after lots of internet research I called a local birth center, they led me to the Office of Vital Statistics in Topeka. Called them up today and they are sending me a pkt with all the paperwork! Yay! Just thought I would post case anyone else here is KS doesn't know the procedure...  ;D

ReneeMarie
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: MommaMegan October 03, 2008, 10:36:30 AM
Has anybody ever had a home birth after 2 c-sections!?  I want to deliver a baby naturally so badly, but I know that no doctor would let me.  They were  both scheduled c-sections (I was 17, single, unsaved, and pregnant and knew NOTHING about health and pregnancy or delivery).  I feel robbed of a beautiful experience, but my husband and I want more kids, so I haven't given up hope!!
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: LKS October 03, 2008, 10:53:31 AM
Check out the VBAC thread. There are some great stories on there & SOMEWHERE on here is a video link to a woman having a homebirth after multiple CS (I searched but couldn't find it) HTH
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: YoopreMama October 03, 2008, 11:01:29 AM
Has anybody ever had a home birth after 2 c-sections!?  I want to deliver a baby naturally so badly, but I know that no doctor would let me.  They were  both scheduled c-sections (I was 17, single, unsaved, and pregnant and knew NOTHING about health and pregnancy or delivery).  I feel robbed of a beautiful experience, but my husband and I want more kids, so I haven't given up hope!!
A friend of mine up here had a VBAC at home after 2 C-sections...I'll try and find the youtube video--it's so inspiring...http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2709.msg99754.html#msg99754 maybe?
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: YoopreMama October 03, 2008, 11:07:31 AM
Or try this one:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2709.msg101184.html#msg101184
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: LKS October 03, 2008, 11:11:25 AM
That was it Yoop! I KNEW you could find  ;D
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: HOMEFree October 03, 2008, 03:49:12 PM
I just had my 3rd successful vbac - homebirth. Even cooler? I am considered over the hill, by the medical community, at 38 years old.

I would like to say that being well read and well informed about homebirthing, natural pain relief and natural birthing are FOUNDATIONAL and necessary to creating a successful homebirth. Lots and lots of reading. Two books I recommend highest are "Active Birth" and "Labor Pain".

I also would say having a birth companion who you can depend on through anything and will be a huge encouragement to you is necessary. As much as a person may want that person to be their husband, it may not be. Just be real with yourself and those close to you.

A midwife can be invaluable.
We had considered having this baby unassisted. I am glad we did not. My other three babies were in the 8 1/4 lb to almost 9lb. This baby ended up being back labor  :'( and 2 pounds heavier than anyone expected at 10lb 14oz.
We probably would have ended up at the hospital because we would not have known what was taking so long and thought something was wrong. A trip to the hospital would have meant an automatic cesarean. So, I am very thankful for the additional insight and experience a midwife brought to our birth this time.

Finally, peace and trusting your body to do what God created it to do are so important.

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: LKS October 03, 2008, 04:52:45 PM
Good post HOMEfree. I so wish we could have a midwife but there are none here  :(  So we are planning unassisted. I am reading all that I can find & we are trusting in the Lord to carry us thru.
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: MommaMegan October 04, 2008, 10:10:54 AM
Thank you guys so much!!!  I have just plummeted myself into research about doulas, midwives, and natural alternative methods of birthing!  I am so happy to have all this information!  If anybody knows any good sites, let me know!
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: LKS December 10, 2008, 12:36:35 PM
Okay, all you unassisted birthers, I have a couple questions.
I am not really nervous about the birth, I know how to do that  ;) but I am nervous about delivering the placenta. To be honest I've always been busy w/ my new babies & never paid much attention  ::) so my questions are this: what did you do w/ the baby while delivering the placenta? Just lay it close? And is it obvious when it is time for it to come out? (you'd never know this was my 5th ) Did any of you deliver the placenta in the water? Or did you get out for that? Did anybody have any complications or was it pretty straight forward & easy?
Thanks  :D
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: boysmama December 10, 2008, 02:13:59 PM
I had a midwife, but delivered the placenta on my own.  Yes, I am curious, independent and weird.  ;D So does my experience count?
Yes, I delivered it in the birthing tub with the last.  I was nursing my baby which made for stronger contractions. A previous birth I did manual nipple stimulation. This was the first I did not just let them tell me when to push the placenta out. I took hold off the cord and could feel the difference between the tension off the attached placenta and after it had detached and was loose inside waiting to be pushed out. It wasn't necessary to pull at all to feel this difference.
Delivering it was as easy as hooking one elbow over the edge of the tub while still holding the baby and scooting down a little and letting my bottom float up (so that I wasn't sitting bolt upright with legs together)  and then pushing once with the next contraction. This was after it was loose. I think it was 15 minutes or so after birth of the baby so everything was still open. It's always such a shock to start into a push and have it pop out so quick.  :D My babies are always so big headed and never pop out.  ::)
Mine have always been straight forward and uncomplicated. I let the midwife check the placenta to make sure it had all come out and she sort of showed me how to do that too after I was cleaned up and in bed, but I don't remember very well.  ;) Next time I'll have to pay attention right away while I am still alert.
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: LKS December 11, 2008, 06:18:41 AM
Anybody else?
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: MommyGus December 11, 2008, 07:40:11 AM
I never had a water birth, but I have had 6 at home unassisted.  The last few (maybe even all 6 come to think of it) the placenta was sitting right there at my cervix just after the baby was born.  It was just there waiting to plop out.  I was holding the baby while hubby hurried up and got a bowl to put it in (with one hand under it to keep it from plopping on the floor ;))  Mine must detach when the baby is coming down or something, I don't remember ever having to do anything to get them out, other than catch.  I always have enough room in the chord to hold the baby while delivering the placenta, and we always keep it in a bowl near me and baby till the chord is done pulsing, then it is clipped (or tied with dental floss), then the mid wife is there to check it , and Hubby takes care of it (He buries it in the summer time).  Hope this helps
In HIM!
Mommygus
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: brigonia December 11, 2008, 08:09:52 AM
With our three unassisted births I delivered out of the water so I can't answer your water question.   ;)  

The first two uc's I just got up and sort of squatted over a chux pad and the placenta came right out.  This last time that didn't work.  I got out of bed with a chux between my legs and went into the bathroom.  I don't know what I was going to do in there.   ::)  When I got there it still hadn't come out so I held the pad and squatted down a little bit and pushed a little and then it came out.  I dropped the pad though.   :o  I apologized to dh for the mess.  He always takes the placenta to the bathroom and lays it in the tub on the chux pad to check it.  He makes sure it looks complete and then comes back with the report.  I never asked him to do this he just did.  Oh, and he is one of those pass out at the sight of blood people and he didn't have any problems with delivering our babes.  

I know I'm ready to deliver the placenta when I get crampy, restless, and start complaining  about it.  I have a gush of blood right before it is time.  At first I don't want to deliver it and then the discomfort is enough to make me want to get it over with.  We cut the cord at this point since it has stopped pulsing and dh holds the babe or lays him down on the bed if I need help.  

I always hold the baby and try to nurse right after the birth and get warm and cozy and just enjoy talking and loving my baby before the placenta is ready to birth.  I think that helps with the transition not only for the baby but for me to know the pregnancy is over and it's time to let go of the placenta.  I don't really worry or think about it.  Dh usually keeps an eye on things to make sure I'm not bleeding a lot, etc.  He makes me feel secure and loved and I think that helps.  My placenta is usually delivered in about 15-30 minutes after the birth.  I think that's how long it takes anyway.  Time sorta stops for awhile after the birth.  I've never had any complications.

Oh, one thing I found out this time was how to help the lochia stop sooner and the afterpains not to be as bad.  Every time the pains would start I would massage my uterus and think of it clamping down and that the pains were a good thing to help me get back to normal sooner.  I tried to sorta welcome the pains as a quicker road to recovery instead of dreading them or thinking of how much it hurt.  I usually have bright red heavy bleeding for weeks and then off and on for weeks after that.  This time the heavy bleeding was over the first week and then I only had off and on light bleeding for a few weeks after that.  I did have spotting after doing too much or time with hubby during the first two months.  That was still much better than usual!  I also stayed in bed as much as possible for ten days.  That was really hard to do and I got really sick of being in the bedroom but I think it helped a lot.  After the first few days I only allowed myself to be up for an hour at a time and then went back to bed.  My dh took two weeks off to help out so I was able to do this.

Sorry this got so long.  Briana
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: HOMEFree December 11, 2008, 12:15:21 PM

I heard that it is easier to moniter blood loss if you do not actually deliver the placenta in the water. It makes sense to me. And if you are going to be unassisted it may be a good idea to get out for that portion of delivery. Just thinking out loud here...
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: joeswife February 07, 2009, 04:49:54 AM
Attention all unnassisted home birthers!

Okay....I'd like some details. This will be our sixth baby, but our first unassisted. I just want to hear some of your stories. Was it just you and your husband or did you have friends and family present? Did you do a water birth or a dry birth. What supplies/herbs/homeopathics did you have on hand. What was your emergency plan. Where your  other children in the house? Did you have a mid-wife for back up?

Well....I'll stop there, or I may get out of hand. Thanks for reading and taking the time to answer.
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: brigonia February 07, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
We've had three babies unassisted.  It was just me an hubby each time.  First one was born about 10:30 am.  Children had gotten up and dh helped them with breakfast and then they got to watch a movie.  We were 1 mile from the hosp that my dh worked at so that was our backup.

Next baby was born in the afternoon.  I had planned a waterbirth but got out of the pool at the last minute.  The children were once again watching a movie in the living room while dh and I were in our room for the birth.  Emergency plan was that we knew EMTs that worked near by and knew they had drugs on hand in case of too much bleeding.  We were about 20 mins from the hosp this time.

Last baby was supposed to be a waterbirth but I couldn't relax in the pool.  He was born about 1am so the children were asleep this time.  Once again just dh and I.  Emergency plan was to go to the local hosp.  Don't know how far it is but we are in the big city now.

I always had shepherd's purse on hand for bleeding.  That was really my only concern.  I studied a lot and talked about different situations which could happen with dh so we knew what we would do.  He also had an ob doc and nurse that he talked to at work before our first.  He skimmed our midwife book during our first unassisted labor.  Honestly we never really felt a need for a backup plan.  I always had confidence that I would know what I needed to do whether that was going to the hospital or not.  Never had any problems! 

Briana
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: LKS February 09, 2009, 08:12:59 AM
Attention all unnassisted home birthers!

Okay....I'd like some details. This will be our sixth baby, but our first unassisted. I just want to hear some of your stories. Was it just you and your husband or did you have friends and family present? Did you do a water birth or a dry birth. What supplies/herbs/homeopathics did you have on hand. What was your emergency plan. Where your  other children in the house? Did you have a mid-wife for back up?

Well....I'll stop there, or I may get out of hand. Thanks for reading and taking the time to answer.


We just had our first unassisted birth, you can read our story on the Birth Story thread. We had a waterbirth, it was just me & my husband. We had just a few basic supplies: bulb syringe, scissors, new shoelaces (for the umbilical cord), receiving blankets, baby hat, diapers, dish pan for placenta, cayenne for bleeding. Our back-up plan was to have the car full of gas. If there was a problem we would either drive to hospital (35 miles away) or call an ambulance. We discussed before hand what would be considered a 'problem' & what we could handle ourselves & what we would go to the hospital for. We also had an extensive prayer chain set-up (thanks WTM  ;))
I think it's really important to talk over every possibility w/ your husband so you both are on the same page.

Oh, and our other children were just in the living room watching a video  ;)
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: joeswife February 10, 2009, 05:00:21 AM
Thanks, keep it comming! Did you do your own prenatals...did someone do a newborn exam?
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: LKS February 10, 2009, 08:28:46 AM
I guess you could say I did my  own pre-natals  ::) I tried to eat well, took supplements, excerised & took my blood pressure every time we went to a store w/ a BP machine. 
We took the baby into our local clinic the day after he was born. Both for a check up to get family off our back & for proof for the birth certificate.
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: mhoward1999 February 10, 2009, 09:26:14 AM
We took the baby into our local clinic the day after he was born... for proof for the birth certificate.
I understand this is a serious and important issue, but it cracks me up in an incredulous way! I mean, do you REALLY need to "prove" you were born?! We live in such a nutty place!
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: LKS February 10, 2009, 10:41:10 AM
 ;D
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: brigonia February 10, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
I did my own prenatal care.  Just measured my tummy once in awhile, took my blood pressure if I was concerned, monitored my blood glucose levels first thing in the morning occasionally.  Lots of research online if I had concerns. 

This was my eigth baby so I know how a newborn should look and act so we did not take him to be examined.  We didn't take any of them.  Actually after the first one my pastor's wife picked up our other children for the day so dh took me to where he worked to show off our newborn.  So there may have been a doc that "saw" her.  If we had had any concerns we would have taken the baby to someone for a consultation. 
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: AnnaBanana March 22, 2009, 02:22:33 PM
We had an unplanned unassisted homebirth last April.  Well, the homebirth was planned, but the labor went so fast that my midwife didn't make it.  Thank God my dh was calm and just knew what to do!  It was our third, and everything felt different.  She ended up coming out in just 3 pushes, FEET FIRST!  So there's proof that breech doesn't have to end in c-section.  :D
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: Joyfulmomto9 March 22, 2009, 06:33:13 PM
We have had three unassisted.  Two were just dh and I and one I had a friend there.  I definately prefer it to be just me and dh. 

The first one was a suprise footling breech at 37 weeks but otherwise very healthy no complications baby came right out.  It was one of my easiest births.  That was my 6th baby.

The next one was also a footling breech and we tried very hard to have her at home but my placenta had a partial abruption and hubby transported me for a C-section.

The next one was a healthy delivery VBAC unassisted.  He did have the cord over the top of his head which was causing him to have less oxgyen than normal as he was coming through the birth canal so upon discovering that I pushed him out as hard as I possibly could and he was fine upon birth but very dark in the face.  I had a large tear from forcing his delivery that a midwife friend was so good to come and repair for us.

The next one #9 was my hardest delivery.  I pushed a long time and the baby just would not come out til dh FINALLY broke my water and then he was born within just a minute or two.  He was perfectly healthy pink and crying.

I am expecting baby #10 and we are planning on having another unassisted unless we find a reason why we shouldn't (if something comes up).  We never staunchly say or set ourselves up to have them unassisted and if I had a reason to think something was amiss I would not hesitate to go in.  When we did this the first time I was green when it came to labor and birth but since then I have sudied midwifery and I love it and have a good idea of what is normal etc...  Just educate yourself but don't go overboard.  Trust that birth is normal and pray pray pray.  Follow dh's leading.  Have him pray over you and the baby.  Do not allow fear to control your actions. 

There's my .02  ;)
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: rejoicing September 15, 2009, 04:39:25 PM
OK, I have read through this thread twice now...I'd really appreciate any extra tips and advice for a first-time-unassisted-home-birther!!!!  ;D
Tell me EVERYTHING I need to know, PLEASE!
I've read several of the recommended books, watched several videos, and looked up all the recommended websites.
Tell me MORE! LOL!

This is baby #3 for us, but the first 2 were heavily intervened hospital births! ACK!
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: LKS September 15, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
Pray. Pray some more and pray again. It is important that both you & your husband have peace about it. Keep researching & PRAY!  :D
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: rejoicing September 16, 2009, 03:13:57 AM
My hubby started out with reservations, but now he is the one feeling this is the way for us to go (homebirth) but I think we would both be more comfortable with someone here, but that does not appear to be an option?

Will keep praying and researching! Thanks!
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: LKS September 16, 2009, 01:25:42 PM
That was also the case with us--tried & tried to find a midwife & there was none. My husband also had reservations but God gave him peace. Talk over EVERYTHING you can think of so that you are prepared. It was an awesome experience for us & I am so thankful the Lord blessed us with that opportunity. It was just amazing.
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: wyomama3 September 16, 2009, 01:37:35 PM
I am totally cool with homebirth, and unassisted if that is what the husband chooses. 
I just found out that a local couple recently decided to do unassisted.  Two months ago they were seeing a Dr, now they have changed their mind.  He (the husband) has 'read up'.  But I'm afraid that his read up and my read up might have two totally different meanings!  I KNOW that he has not watched videos, or such, and likely has not done any studying that involves photo illustrations.  I am confident that he knows how to deliver a baby, but I don't think that a few weeks gives enough time for researching how to correct many of the possible problems.  This is there 4th baby, so they are pros as far as that goes.  I am also not liking the fact that emergency care is 45 minutes from here to the closest hospital.  Yikes!
Pray for this family please, they are due any day.
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: Isaacsmama October 14, 2009, 04:16:17 AM
we are planning an UHB for this next one due in December.  This may sound like a silly question, but I was wondering about weighing.  I know newborns loose weight quickly before gaining it back.  Is there a formula for weighing the baby for the first time.  for example, if I hold baby for the frist few hours and weigh at say 4 hours after birth, is there a standard amount of weight the baby would have lost in that 4 hours so I can adjust birth weight accordingly?  Thanks
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: Sewbusy October 14, 2009, 07:07:28 PM
We have had 3 of 5 unassisted home births and may be doing it that way for this one.  We simply weighed the baby when everything slowed down and we got the chance. We didn't do it again for at least a week. DRs can be so ridiculous about baby weight! One or two ounces isn't going to make or break anything. I've also had several that have pooped with in minutes after birth. Of course that would mean they loose some but we have never even worried about it. Just weigh when you are ready and call it good! And blessing to you on the UHB! They are truly wonderful!
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: rejoicing October 21, 2009, 04:52:57 PM
Meconium in the amniotic fluid=suctioning once just the head is delivered...Yes??

And how soon is too soon for a UA HB?  37wks?

Just trying to study up and get ready! LOL!  :P
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: kamom October 22, 2009, 12:20:11 AM
 I had both of mine at home at 38 weeks, one day short of that with DD, with a midwife though. Midwife had to work some with their breathing. DD was earlier at 15 days early, but hardly had a problem. DS was 12 days early and she had to really work with him.

 All that said if you deliver at 37 weeks be prepared, have a plan at how to help the baby if needs be.
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: Sewbusy October 22, 2009, 09:35:19 AM
Meconium in the amniotic fluid=suctioning once just the head is delivered...Yes??

Yes this is a good idea. I've had several born all at once though so suctioning would have been once the baby was completely delivered.


Most midwives are not allowed to deliver until 37 weeks. And of course doctors would NOT want you doing it before then.  A lot depends on what you are comfortable with. I would have my baby with out the midwife any time after 36 weeks. Most are not comfortable with this. Like kamom said BE PREPARED. Water birth is not recommended until 38 weeks. Decide ahead of time what you are going to do if different things happen. I had one baby that wasn't breathing at birth and just needed a little breath from the midwife. Take an infant CPR class. A home birthed baby isn't likely to be screaming and hollering after birth. None of mine have. They are born gently into such a relaxed environment that they just don't cry much.  Just some suggestions that may help.
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: rejoicing November 09, 2009, 04:40:42 PM
What do you other UCers do about positioning?  I think my baby might be transverse still.  I'm just going by feeling and movements, also my belly is kinda mishapen out to the side,not a "normal" round belly  ???  Are there other ways to determine position?  What about the safety of a malpositioned UC?
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: mommie November 09, 2009, 05:35:45 PM
I always checked position by feeling and by heart beat..we had a doppler
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: rejoicing November 10, 2009, 04:00:25 AM
WWYD for a transverse or other unfavorable position?  :-\
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: hi_itsgwen November 10, 2009, 11:18:02 AM
WWYD for a transverse or other unfavorable position?  :-\
So, I'm not a UCer.  So this might not mean much.  But I think it would be a good idea to have a plan B if you can schedule something with a good midwife in your area, and just get her take on things.  There are instances that just aren't conducive to UC, and I would think it would be a good idea to have someone lined up to help you if you need it that you are comfortable with and who knows your situation. 
Especially if this is a first birth, since you don't know how your body is going to respond to labor.
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: mommie November 10, 2009, 05:35:39 PM
well, i would look into ways to turn the baby into the right position...some midwifery books discuss things you can do excercises, etc. sometimes there are chiropractic things you can do too. I'd be PRAYING!! and under normal conditions def get a midwife/back up plan/opinion. it seems like the transverse is more difficult to deliver than a breech from what I remember in  my reading... although my hubs did more study than me since I wasn't gonnna be dealing with the technicality of delivering/problems, etc.
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: petrimama November 10, 2009, 07:22:40 PM
Ditto Gwen's advice.
Also, my 5th was breech and I went to a chiropractor who did the Webster Technique, which was somewhat effective, but I ran out of time for treatments.  Then my midwife had a doctor come do an external version, which was painless, fast (under a minute) and so effective.  She was very experienced and my baby was small, which I'm sure was in my favor, but it all went so beautifully that I have to recommend that you look into it.  The key is to wrap your belly in a pregnancy girdle once the baby turns so that it doesn't turn back.  And pray your heart out for a perfect delivery.  ;)
Congratulations!   ~L
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: joyful_mommy03 November 11, 2009, 06:35:25 AM
rejoicing - I had a frank breech baby a little over a year ago and, although it was in a hospital and she did not end up turning head down, I was able to deliver naturally.

Since then, I've put together a few articles of things that I learned about trying to turn a baby - maybe some of these will work for you.  I've had three ladies email me to tell me that one or another worked for them!

http://www.naturalhealthtutoring.com/category/breech-baby/

Here's the birth story in case you are interested:
http://www.homegrownmommy.com/2009/04/28/our-breech-baby-was-delivered-naturally-you-can-too/
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: rejoicing November 11, 2009, 12:29:45 PM
Thanks for the advice, and for the sharing, I'm sure the links will be helpful! I am not as worried about breech as transverse, but I've been learning lots about steps to take here lately!  I think so far we still have shoulder down?  :-\
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: boysmama November 11, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
How far along are you? There maybe good reason the baby is maintaining that position.
I carried one similarly to what you are describing. We had a hard time keeping him head down in the last few weeks. He WAS head down as I went into labor. Had a hard time presenting properly though and ended up with a very tight cord wrap that needed tied and cut before he could even be born. We think that it was short enough that he just couldn't assume a normal head down position comfortably.
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: rejoicing November 12, 2009, 03:04:06 AM
I am 35 wks.  He is still moving around quite a bit these days, so I guess we still have time, right? I was just worried about when is it time to involve someone else for baby's sake. I don't want to harm him by trying to deliver a malpresentation?

How did they cut the wrapped cord? Was your baby delivered by c-section? Did you guys know ahead of time something was going on?

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: boysmama November 12, 2009, 06:09:54 AM
No, C section.  I spent alot of upside down off the couch, talking to my baby and rubbing his bottom before going in for the last weeks' checkups. I give thanks to God that the baby was always in good enough position they did not pressure me for a CS.  :)
That birth was a planned "natural" hospital birth in a very small (2 bed) ob ward with our family practice doc of the time. I didn't see how they cut the cord. I was pushing, everyone got tense and told me stop, stop...there was a flurry of activity and my mom said they have to cut the cord...I do know he slipped at least a double wrap ( I'm forgetting which was which birth) off the baby's head with a little bit of trying. Tight wrap- very tight by that time. I guess that is where he got the working room to clamp and cut. The cord was fairly short, not much left on the placenta. The baby's tones had been good through labor, but things weren't so good when he was born. He came back quickly though.

As far as knowing ahead of time- I did think that there was something that was keeping the baby from engaging and also that he really preferred that strange position. He would try to turn and then resume the position a few minutes later. It took alot of labor to move him down as well. My first had a nuchal arm that caused some similar problems, so I was kind of prepared for some extra drama when things didn't progress "normally".

Yeah, at 35 weeks I still have 7 weeks to go  :D and wouldn't panic yet. After 38 weeks when they stop being able to flip easily is when I start trying to keep them head down. I have too much room in there.  ;)
I do think that you should pay attention to your concerns. Educate yourself, find a back up plan, that sort of thing.
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: herbs girl November 12, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
My baby turned at 35 weeks or so from breech to head down!
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: petrimama November 16, 2009, 09:11:29 AM
My baby turned at 37 weeks.
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: newcreature July 28, 2010, 01:34:37 AM
My husband and I are seriously considering an unassisted birth.  I have contacted our county's vital records department, and one of the requirements for registering the birth is proof of pregnancy (they suggest Dr. records).  Does anyone have any experience with registering a birth without seeing a doctor as proof of pregnancy?  What else would you use as proof of pregnancy?  I live in Michigan, so if anyone has experience in our state that would be especially helpful. 

Thanks in advance!
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: ladyhen July 28, 2010, 04:53:30 AM
My husband and I are seriously considering an unassisted birth.  I have contacted our county's vital records department, and one of the requirements for registering the birth is proof of pregnancy (they suggest Dr. records).  Does anyone have any experience with registering a birth without seeing a doctor as proof of pregnancy?  What else would you use as proof of pregnancy?  I live in Michigan, so if anyone has experience in our state that would be especially helpful. 

Thanks in advance!

Ask if a notice of pregnancy test results will fill that requirement.   Any crisis pregnancy center (Abortion alternative clinic) would be able to help with that.
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: mommie July 28, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
I brought in my records from CPC like lady hen mentioned. (I was so grateful I had done this, not even realizing I would need it for the birth cert!!!) I don't know if you have CPC's out there but there's got to be some sort of health clinic you could have a blood or urine test done at and they could give you the paper work.
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: his.silly.wife July 29, 2010, 03:01:30 AM
Friends of ours had an unassisted birth and their state required 2 notarized statements with photo ID from friends to verify the pregnancy and birth occurred.

"I __________ hereby affirm personal knowledge of the pregnancy
of ___________ (mother's name) and that ____________ (baby's name) was born alive at (time, date, and location). "
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: newcreature August 03, 2010, 09:15:09 AM
Thank you to all who responded.  I inquired further and the vital records office told me that I would need a doctor's statement, that notarized statements from people who know me would not be sufficient proof (??? like you can't know that someone's pregnant without a doctor???).  I think the county has a health clinic where I can go and have it verified.  I guess I'd better do it soon, since I've entered the 3rd trimester.
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: newcreature September 10, 2010, 12:33:13 AM
Since I last posted I contacted my previous midwife (also a D.O.), and she said she would be willing to attend our birth or come afterward to register the birth (whichever we choose) free of charge.  She also reassured me that she is confident that we could birth unassisted without a problem.  She apparently reduced her rates since our last birth and had been planning to forgive our outstanding balance when I paid it, so she feels we have a credit.  Anyway, I am thanking God for how gracious she is, really a wonderful lady.  We really didn't want to go into debt to have her again.  If anyone needs a midwife recommendation in the southeast MI area I would highly recommend her. 
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: HOMEFree September 12, 2010, 01:17:12 AM
Since I last posted I contacted my previous midwife (also a D.O.), and she said she would be willing to attend our birth or come afterward to register the birth (whichever we choose) free of charge.  She also reassured me that she is confident that we could birth unassisted without a problem.  She apparently reduced her rates since our last birth and had been planning to forgive our outstanding balance when I paid it, so she feels we have a credit.  Anyway, I am thanking God for how gracious she is, really a wonderful lady.  We really didn't want to go into debt to have her again.  If anyone needs a midwife recommendation in the southeast MI area I would highly recommend her. 

Wow! What a blessing that is!!
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: IowaDove November 21, 2011, 12:43:29 PM
I've been reading through this, but haven't gotten to look at all the posts so I hope I didn't miss it. I was wondering if these unattended births included not having prenatal care or did you have care but just decided to have the baby alone? I'm 20 weeks along and my midwife has almost doubled her price, which along with trying to pay off our business and other expenses, it's looking like we won't be able to afford the care. I was already considering having the birth unattended, this is my third, my other two were fast homebirths my first was unattended. So I'm fairly confident in that respect, but I've always had the prenatal care and feel better about gauging my progress in case anything does come up. What are your opinions? I'm having a hard time knowing the difference between just having faith and not worrying, but also not being foolish. I would also really appreciate a list of birthing books that you all think are good. Thanks so much!
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: jessicah November 21, 2011, 06:03:32 PM
For our first UC I had prenatal care with a doctor. For our next 3 UCs I did my own prenatal care. My husband and I both read a midwifery book (heart and hands) I read most of it. He only read what I told him was most important.  We also read emergency childbirth. This can be downloaded online in a pdf file. 

I prayed alot for wisdom, courage and trust in the Lord.  I made a birth outline for my husband to have handy before the birth. He kept it on his bedside and looked over it every few nights to keep important things for birth fresh in his mind.

For my prenatal care I ate healthy, exercised, checked my blood pressure weekly. I had been pregnant enough that I knew what was normal and what was not. Everything was always fine, except once I had a bladder infection. But I saw a doctor as needed that one time and that was it.   
 
When I had prenatal care with a doctor for my first UC I refused all blood/genetic testing, diabetes testing , ultrasounds and doppler heart palpations.  After you refuse all that, all that is left is a urine test, weight check, blood pressure and palpating the baby for positioning. I can do those things myself.
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: IowaDove November 28, 2011, 09:00:13 AM
Thank you, that is very helpful. Could you explain palpating baby's position, please  :) Also, I don't have a clue how to monitor blood pressure. Is that in that book? Thanks!
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: jessicah November 29, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
This website is helpful to learn how to palpate the position of the baby. http://www.spinningbabies.com/

I will have to look up the blood pressure info. but I think it is that your top number should be no higher than 125. You should check your blood pressure in a sitting position - and make sure you have been sitting relaxed for at least five minutes before taking it. I use a digital monitor once a week. You can learn how to do it manually with a stethascope and cuff. It is very easy. But I prefer the convenience of the digital.
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: migratingoose November 03, 2012, 11:49:04 AM
Just wanted to bump this post and second JoyInHim- hot compresses Work! Just had our 6th little one, with by far the least pain (very little really) .  Only change I'd make is to have more washcloths and a full crockpot as close as possible.

"Regarding the OP request for what to have on hand.  I have not seen my absolute #1 requirement:

Hot compresses:
a crock pot of hot water and a dozen new white wash cloths.

Have your dh place these, wrung out, on your perineum upon crowning.  Replace them rapidly to keep heat on the perineum as the head emerges.

I found this, with 4 births, completely effective to remove ALL discomfort, burning and pain.  I had 4 babies at home without tearing - large babies, and one presenting a 15" head, elbow first.

Read, read, read!

IF you have a small tear, it may be repaired without sutures at home.  Have your dh clean and dry the skin and apply Super Glue from a NEW unopened tube.  (This is identical to the product used in hospitals.)

My midwife uses this with very good results on minor tears."
(Quote from the middle of this thread)