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: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: 5littlegraphs November 13, 2006, 05:07:02 PM
Hello all.

I have been researching treatment of candida in children. I have been procratinating actually treating my kids. My daughter, I believe, especially needs it. She had cellulitis on her nose when she was 2 and underwent serious and intense antibiodic therapy for two weeks to cure it. Her symptoms started about 3 months after and I was told by her pediatrician there was no such thing as candida and that she just developed a partial wheat allergy. Well, I have taken studying into my own hands and now I think I need to get on top of it.

So, what have you guys used out there on your kiddos? I am leaning toward the Aloe Vera Juice and TTU treatments. I just dont know how much Aloe Vera Juice to give, how many times a day and for how long. I assume for 6 months like with adults. Are there any other treatment you have tired and succeeded with?

I am not very confident when it comes to treating my kids. I can diagnose and treat myself and my husband without worrying because we can voice when something just doesn't feel right. So any advice you have I will greatly appreciate it!
 ;)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 13, 2006, 06:04:06 PM
This is a very good topic.  I only changed the name to broaden the possibilities of discussion and to make searching for it later, an easier task for others with the same questions.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock November 14, 2006, 03:59:27 AM
Bump!

I need answers for this too. My daughter was born with a vaginal yeast infection and battled it off and on until she was potty trained. I don't think it just went away, I think it's gone other places where it's less obvious.

Our pediatrician just rolled his eyes when I asked if some of her health issues could be Candida. But, thankfully, the last time we went in for a visit it seemed as though something had happened to cause him to think twice about the reality of Candida. He's not quite "there" yet, though.

Anyway, I am trying to figure out how to treat her at home and I have the same reservations about "experimenting" on my kids that were expressed by 5littlegraphs.

WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 15, 2006, 05:44:10 AM
Bump!

I need answers for this too. My daughter was born with a vaginal yeast infection and battled it off and on until she was potty trained. I don't think it just went away, I think it's gone other places where it's less obvious.

Our pediatrician just rolled his eyes when I asked if some of her health issues could be Candida. But, thankfully, the last time we went in for a visit it seemed as though something had happened to cause him to think twice about the reality of Candida. He's not quite "there" yet, though.

Anyway, I am trying to figure out how to treat her at home and I have the same reservations about "experimenting" on my kids that were expressed by 5littlegraphs.

WR
Read this link for more info.

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: JuniperSunshine March 19, 2007, 09:58:10 AM
Hi!

   We have an Autistic little boy who is becoming "cured" of much of his symptoms due to our yeast/leaky gut treatment for him!  I noticed that his "bad autism days" always seemed to be days with really yucky, foul-smelling diarrhea and sometimes a yeast diaper rash.  His pediatrician, of course, merely found this "interesting".  I forged ahead anyways and I am so happy I did!  It truly is remarkable how much progress he's made now.  He is now 3 1/2, and I started treating him at age two.  I used three things:

Yeast-Aid from Kirkman labs - just stir 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon in some orange juice.  He gets this twice a day now.  It's already citrus flavored, which helps.

Enzyme-Complete w/ DPPIV - a complete enzyme with proteases to heal the gut.  He got one pill, which is a half-dose, before every meal.  Open up the capsule and sprinkle it on the first few bites, or mix it into a drink.

Phenol-Assist  - Another enzyme, however, this one breaks up the yeast as well.  It helps with die-off symptoms, too.  This one you don't need to take with food, just two or three times a day "in general"  I give my son 1/3 of a pill 3 times a day.

These are all available from Kirkman Labs online.  When I saw the improvements my son was making, I started the rest of the family on these as well.  No more headaches or fatigue for me (I take Supermom, too, which I highly recommend)  and even my toddler is much healthier and happier with just the Yeast-Aid in her juice.   Please feel free to email me if you have any questions!  The diet advice posted on this site is extremly helpful, too - less sugar is so important.

Juniper

: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: JuniperSunshine March 19, 2007, 09:59:38 AM
P.S. - Enzyme complete w/DPPIV is what I use to help with his wheat and dairy allergies, too. 
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: morningglory March 21, 2007, 03:39:10 AM
Does anyone have food suggestions?  I'm starting the candida-killing diet on myself for my unborn baby's sake, and as soon as I figure out some good substitutions for my toddler's diet, I'm putting him on it too.  Also, I've read that garlic is a good anti-fungal treatment for yeast.  Would a poultice get the good stuff into my son's system, or does he have to eat it?  I'm leery of giving him supplements, because he only weighs a little over 20 lbs.  Maybe the Tummy Tuneup would be safe?
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: abbilynn March 26, 2007, 03:35:28 AM
Okay guys, I'm at a loss here!  I've been treating leaky gut and yeast in my two kids with severe food allergies for almost a year now.  (Well, treating yeast off and on and leaky gut this whole time anyway.)  But it's at it's worst right now and nothing I'm doing is working!  My 7 yo CONSTANTLY itches his "private area" all day long.  He's irritable, can't sleep, and has weird blistery things on his hands - all signs of yeast.  He's on two HEAVY DUTY probiotics, eats the Maker's Diet (only GFCF version  ;)), eats a TB. of unrefined virgin coconut oil every day, and takes 4 drops of GSE in the afternoon.  Plus I started putting GOOT on his private area in case there was yeast on the outside of the skin.  So far no improvement and we've been doing this for a couple months.  Okay, now my 4 yo - we treated yeast last year and he got better.  I wasn't sure he had a yeast problem again except now that it's nice enough to play outside he's gotten his seasonal allergies back really bad.  Poor guy does this weird hacking noise and tries to spit.  It keeps him up ALL NIGHT!! :o :o  I've read that yeast causes outdoor allergies.  I started giving him the GSE and coconut oil and he's been on a heavy duty probiotic for a long time, but he's not improving either.  I'M OUT OF IDEAS.  :'( :'(  And my boys are miserable.  Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???

Thanks,
abbilynn
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: abbilynn March 26, 2007, 04:08:48 AM
Nope, they can't have ANY dairy, gluten, and a long list of other stuff they are allergic to.  I do give them lots of kombucha (supposed to help candida) and kefir d'uva (supposed to have tons of probiotics in it).  They are on such a strict diet.  No sugar either except small amounts of honey or pure maple syrup in their breakfast.

abbilynn
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: abbilynn March 26, 2007, 04:32:58 AM
The kefir d'uva is in pure grape juice and water.   I have heard that also about most probiotics coming from dairy.  My 4 yo was on a nondairy probiotic and it wasn't any different.  Their guts are in such bad shape that I can't take away the probiotics.  My 4 yo had chronic diarrhea until I got him on the Primal Defense, and now it's so much better.  We are treating Clostridia bacteria in my 7 yo, which is probably what has caused the yeast to overgrow.  A couple months ago I tried taking everything away and nothing got better.  I'm truly stumped!  :-\

abbilynn
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt March 26, 2007, 06:46:50 AM
Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???Thanks,
abbilynn
What about SLS?
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt March 26, 2007, 06:48:27 AM
Is Kefir d'uva in a non dairy milk or coconut? If it is even raw dairy I would probally cut it out for a couple of weeks to see if there is improvement.
kefir d'uva is made from fruit juice.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: abbilynn March 26, 2007, 07:30:37 AM
Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???Thanks,
abbilynn
What about SLS?

What is SLS?  ::)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt March 26, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???Thanks,
abbilynn
What about SLS?

What is SLS?  ::)

Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,322.0.html)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: abbilynn March 26, 2007, 08:39:36 AM
Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???Thanks,
abbilynn
What about SLS?
What is SLS?  ::)

Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,322.0.html)

Thanks HB, I'll read that thread after the kids go down for bed tonight.  I thought SLS was an additive and really bad for you, but I'm sure the thread explains it.  I didn't realize it was something for yeast.  :o 

abbilynn

: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt March 26, 2007, 08:51:11 AM
Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???Thanks,
abbilynn
What about SLS?
What is SLS?  ::)

Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,322.0.html)

Thanks HB, I'll read that thread after the kids go down for bed tonight.  I thought SLS was an additive and really bad for you, but I'm sure the thread explains it.  I didn't realize it was something for yeast.  :o 

abbilynn


It's not something to treat yeast.  It's a chemical found in many hygeine products that could be causing the symptoms or causing the yeast symptoms to worsen.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: abbilynn March 26, 2007, 11:47:29 AM
Anyone have some suggestions of other things I could try??  ???Thanks,
abbilynn
What about SLS?
What is SLS?  ::)

Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,322.0.html)

Thanks HB, I'll read that thread after the kids go down for bed tonight.  I thought SLS was an additive and really bad for you, but I'm sure the thread explains it.  I didn't realize it was something for yeast.  :o 

abbilynn


It's not something to treat yeast.  It's a chemical found in many hygeine products that could be causing the symptoms or causing the yeast symptoms to worsen.

OH, well, that's what I was thinking.  But when you mentioned it I misunderstood what you meant.  :-[ :-\  Anyway, we already have been using chemical free stuff on him.  Pure glycerin soap, natural toothpaste, etc.  No junk.  So, I guess that's not it......... ??? ::) :-\

abbilynn
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: marmiemama April 10, 2007, 04:20:19 PM
Our 11 1/2 year old dd has been battling with depression for about two months.  Some of you may have remembered my thread on 7xsunday.  Well, it's not over yet.  The severity of it came on almost overnight, even though she has always been very sensitive.   We have been trying so hard to figure out the cause of this, and so much is pointing to yeast.  She has asthma since she was a baby and has been treated with various meds over the years, some winters were worse than others.  The puffer she used advised rinsing out her mouth to prevent a yeast infection.  Hmmm.

Well, in February, her cycle began and it exactly coincided with the recurring thoughts and depression.  Another thought might be hormonal...would evening primrose help here?  I have a call in to my midwife to ask her if she could shed some light on this situation.  Just waiting for her to call back.  Some days/weeks have been better than others, and we've been in close contact with two friends (they work together) who are Christian counselors.  We're still not sure if this is purely emotional/thought processing or something physical, like yeast or hormones.  She'll be having her first visit on Thursday.  We've been using two children's remedies from Native Remedies, but only with a little success.  But every time I research her symptoms, I keep coming up with yeast links.  I did consider this about a month ago and we eliminated sugar and did some acidopholis, but now I'm thinking that we need to do it whole heartedly and see what happens.  I saw the advice from Kirkman labs and was wondering how you came to use those specific supplements.  The Yeast-Aid would be an obvious choice, but when I read the descriptions of the other items, I never would have known that would be what we would need.  Did Kirkman do the suggesting for you?  I'd love to hear some more advice in this area, specifically children's depression and the possible link to candida and/or onset of menses.

Thanks so much and blessings to you!
 
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt April 12, 2007, 11:08:38 AM
Our 11 1/2 year old dd has been battling with depression for about two months.  ...I'd love to hear some more advice in this area, specifically children's depression and the possible link to candida and/or onset of menses.

Thanks so much and blessings to you!
 

Regarding Depression:

Depression, Anxiety and other Neurological/Mental Disorders (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1784.0.html)

Regarding Yeast: 
Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

Regarding Hormone Imbalance:  Your daughter could be suffering from Estrogen Dominance and the biggest contributing factors seem to be meats, soy & SLS

Estrogen Dominance & Other Hormone Imbances: Causes & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,322.0.html)
Your Shampoo Might Be Your Problem: Going "No Poo" (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,429.0.html)
Homemade Laundry Soap (Detergent Free) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,786.new.html#new)
Homemade Toothpaste & Other Dental Products (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3787.0.html)
Toothpaste & Dental Care (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3785.0.html)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: marmiemama April 13, 2007, 11:07:13 AM
Hi Healthy Bratt,
Thanks for all the links you've posted.  I had read through so many of them already, which was partly how I am suspecting yeast to be a contributing factor.  I did speak to my midwife and she directed me to a naturopathic nurse practitioner only a few towns away (answer to
prayer  :) ).  She strongly feels that this is hormone related.  She'll be doing saliva, urine and blood work this coming Wednesday. 

I was just telling a friend today how I can see God's hand in our lives regarding the treatment and diagnosis of this problem.  I began reading this board about six months ago and we have slowly made many changes in our lives.  We eliminated shampoo (have to get the kiddos off of it), make our laundry soap, our diets have improved greatly, and I have learned a great deal from all the knowledgable people on these boards regarding herbs.  I love how these changes are being incorporated into our family and I look forward to more exciting changes.  I can see how God had been giving us a firm foundation in alternative health.  We had been off an on for years in this area, but these slow changes are finally sticking.  God had prepared us to look to the body first when we saw our daughter going through a difficult time.  I may not have ever thought of looking for these kinds of imbalances to be the cause of her depression.  She is already looking to see how God will be glorified through this and looks forward to helping other children going through difficult situations.  What an awesome girl I have!!!  (three more, too!).  I will keep you all posted to share our results and treatments ahead.

Your Sister in Christ
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: morningglory June 13, 2007, 12:46:52 PM
I'm using Three-Lac and Oxygen Elements to treat my 20 mo. old for yeast.  It's been a month, and I haven't seen any results.  His symptoms aren't better.  If he were worse, than I'd have hope, because that would mean die-off.  He's been drinking kombucha (I think he's addicted).  Should I not let him have it?  It does have sugar, but everything I've read says the friendly yeast and bacteria cancel that out.

Also, I want to get him on a good probiotic.  Can you give a toddler acidophilus?  If so, where's the cheapest place to get it?  If acidophilus is bad, which TTU or other probiotic would you reccommend to get him over the hump?
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock June 13, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Check out this article Candida Treatments for Babies & Children (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php)
WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: 4myhoonie June 13, 2007, 05:07:04 PM
Also, I want to get him on a good probiotic.  Can you give a toddler acidophilus?  If so, where's the cheapest place to get it?  If acidophilus is bad, which TTU or other probiotic would you reccommend to get him over the hump?

the threelac has probiotic in it, but if you wanted to give him another one, the TTU Acidopholis Blast by Beeyoutiful is a good one.  it would probably help to conquer the yeast faster.  i've read on here that the acidopholis strain is best for beating yeast.  it's not expensive either.  when my kids were on threelac i could tell by their stools that it was doing something.  they were normalized with it.  i guess that's hard to tell unless their toilet trained.   :-\  hope this helps.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: larissakissa November 26, 2007, 09:03:26 AM
Hello everyone,
I need some advise.  Our whole family started the yeast cleanse yesturday and everything was ok.  I gave my 4yr old dd and 6yr old ds  a half of Enzyme Digestive, 1/2 tsp of yeast-aid powder from Kirkman Labs, and a probiotic twise a day.  This morning they both woke up with a tummy ache.  I gave them a probiotic (without the other pills), and the 4yr old said it stopped hurting but the 6 yr old feels sick, his stomach still hurts and he felt like throwing up 2 times. (but he didn't)  Does this has anything to do with the cleanse?  I know my dd really needs to do a cleanse but the ds was just doing it since the whole family is and I thought it wouldn't hurt him.  Am I wrong?  Should he not do the cleanse?  Please help with what ever advise you can.  Thank you.  :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: larissakissa November 26, 2007, 09:16:19 AM
Sorry, I forgot to ask.  Is it ok to give kids string cheese like once a day?  I noticed in the ingrediets that it has 0 grams of sugar.  Does that mean that they can eat it?  Thank you.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 27, 2007, 12:46:59 PM
Hello everyone,
I need some advise.  Our whole family started the yeast cleanse yesturday and everything was ok.  I gave my 4yr old dd and 6yr old ds  a half of Enzyme Digestive, 1/2 tsp of yeast-aid powder from Kirkman Labs, and a probiotic twise a day.  This morning they both woke up with a tummy ache.  I gave them a probiotic (without the other pills), and the 4yr old said it stopped hurting but the 6 yr old feels sick, his stomach still hurts and he felt like throwing up 2 times. (but he didn't)  Does this has anything to do with the cleanse?  I know my dd really needs to do a cleanse but the ds was just doing it since the whole family is and I thought it wouldn't hurt him.  Am I wrong?  Should he not do the cleanse?  Please help with what ever advise you can.  Thank you.  :)
Yeast die-off can cause vomitting.  If the vomitting doesn't stop, you might want to cut their supplements in half for a bit to ease the dieoff symptoms.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 27, 2007, 12:47:59 PM
Sorry, I forgot to ask.  Is it ok to give kids string cheese like once a day?  I noticed in the ingrediets that it has 0 grams of sugar.  Does that mean that they can eat it?  Thank you.
Cheese is a great food to eat while fighting yeast. ;D  Some say it's not because the mold/yeast will cross contaminate, but I had no problems with it myself and I've found more evidence to support that cheese is good versus bad.
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: larissakissa November 28, 2007, 07:07:42 AM
Thank you HB for your replies!
 Sorry, I have another question.  (I'm new to this cleansing thing so I don't know much about it)  Both of my kids complain of abdomen pain throughout the day.  It comes and goes, but sometimes it really hurts to where my dd was crying, but only for like 3 min.  Is this normal too?  I just hate to think that I may be hurting them instead of helping them.  Also, my dd got a cold (I think), she lost her voice which started as a bad cough and has a runny/stuffy nose.  Is it still ok to keep her on the cleanse?  Thank you, and sorry if my questions are a little stupid.  ::) :P :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 28, 2007, 08:04:37 AM
Thank you HB for your replies!
 Sorry, I have another question.  (I'm new to this cleansing thing so I don't know much about it)  Both of my kids complain of abdomen pain throughout the day.  It comes and goes, but sometimes it really hurts to where my dd was crying, but only for like 3 min.  Is this normal too?  I just hate to think that I may be hurting them instead of helping them.  Also, my dd got a cold (I think), she lost her voice which started as a bad cough and has a runny/stuffy nose.  Is it still ok to keep her on the cleanse?  Thank you, and sorry if my questions are a little stupid.  ::) :P :)
Okay, first keep in mind that if your family is in need of this cleanse, then their immune systems are already compromised.  This means that the cold or any other illness make take their tolls on the over-taxed immune systems.  Next, the only reason I would slow down on the cleansing is if the die-off were severe enough to rack the body with vomitting or pain severe enough to put the body down.  I'll effects are to be expected.  You're fighting off a really bad bug.  Candida is going to die and cause toxicity and it's also going to fight to live, by stealing all available sugars and causing the body to physically crave more sources of sugar.  If everyone is able to stick it out, if it were my family, I would make sure they are getting lots of water and other liquids (broths and tea - no sugar) and plenty of rest.  I would treat it like any other illness.  I would also make sure to be giving plenty of probiotics and essential fatty acids by whatever source you have available (fish, CLO, flax seed, borage oil, butter, meat broths, etc).  These supplements will go a long ways to boost the immune system and help their bodies get through this.  If they can tolerate it, raw garlic would really help as well.  It's anti-fungal (for the candida), anti-bacterial and antiviral (for the cold) and it purifies and oxygenates the bloods (more oxygen is good for the immune system and body overall). 

Last, trust your instincts.  You're a mom and you've been taking care of this family longer than anyone else.  If you think that your children are being taxed beyond what they can handle, then slow down a bit, but don't give up.  This too shall pass.  ;D
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: larissakissa November 28, 2007, 12:57:40 PM
Last, trust your instincts.  You're a mom and you've been taking care of this family longer than anyone else.  If you think that your children are being taxed beyond what they can handle, then slow down a bit, but don't give up.  This too shall pass.  ;D
[/quote]  Thank you for your support!  I really thought this would be easier.  :-[  My ds had a bad abdomen pain all morning untill now.  He threw up once but the pain was still there.  I gave both of my kids another dose of probiotics in hope that it would help.  Finally I went to the store, got some milk and fruit to give to kids.  I hope I'm not compramizing the diet but I thought it might be ok to give my ds a bowl of corn flakes with milk and a banana or apple.  Please tell me if I shouldn't be giving them those foods.  :-\  The weird thing is that my dd is the one who really needs this cleanse but my ds is the one with all the bad reactions.  ???  Could he have a more serious problem than my dd but without any symptoms?  What about if he did not have any candida overgrowth, could this diet make him sick like that? 
I'm sorry if I'm writing too much.   I really appreciate all your help!  Thank you.  :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 28, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
Well, I don't' know what you're feeding them, but if you're feeding them meat, green veggies, fish, dairy and other low carb foods along with enzymes, garlic and probiotics, then "no" they shouldn't get sick from this diet if they "don't" have candida.  All of these things are things you should have all the time.  It's very difficult to overdose (not even sure if it's possible) on probiotics.  Enzymes, I don't know as much about, but if you're taking them as directed, I can't think of any reason they should hurt.

From everything you've told me, I'd venture a guess that they are all suffering from die-off and it will pass.  Giving them a bit of milk and fruit isn't going to hurt them (unless they are allergic), but it may slow the die-off a bit which couldn't hurt if they are vomiting.  The only reason sugar is a bad idea is because it slows the process.  That doesn't mean that fruits and other carbs are unhealthy.

There is an off chance that they coincidently caught a stomach virus.  Some other ladies on here in the past were very worried about tummy ailments right after starting a cleanse and she finally decided it was a coincidence and they had been exposed to something.

Either way, it should pass in a few hours to a few days.  Lots of water and lots of rest and keep using your good judgment and instincts. 

Have you read "Unravelling the Mysteries of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder"?  If you haven't, I'd recommend you get it from your local library and read it for some peace of mind.  This woman goes into great detail about all of these things you're going through.  It's also a short and easy read and it might renew your confidence in your choices. ;)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: larissakissa November 29, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
Thank you HB!  You are so wise!  ;D Looks like I'm doing everything right so far and giving my ds some milk and fruit stopped the abdomen pain.  :)  Hopefully everything will be going better from now on.   ::) 
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Marisa November 30, 2007, 06:16:27 AM
Would yo baby yogurt be bad  for toddlers fighting candida because of the fruit and lactose?
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt November 30, 2007, 06:47:54 AM
Would yo baby yogurt be bad  for toddlers fighting candida because of the fruit and lactose?
Look at the carb count versus the serving size.  If the number of carbs exceeds...say...maybe 1/3 of the days alloted carbs, then it's probably too high in sugar to be of much good for killing candida--in fact it might slow the process.    Once the candida is controlled, the yobaby might be a good probiotic supplement for followup.  I don't personally know that much about this particular brand or it's quality.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock November 30, 2007, 08:46:57 AM
Yo Baby is a Stonyfield product, I think.
WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: grocerygetter January 29, 2008, 10:29:33 AM
As far as what products to use in an infant for a yeast cleanse does anyone have recommendations? I'm breastfeeding so I was going to use the Anti Yeast Package for Pregnancy and my child is already getting the Tummy Tune up from Beeyoutiful. I know I would continue with his TTU but could I give him other things from my Pregnancy Pack to help him out? I also have the aloe which could prove beneficial to him I would think.
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: grocerygetter February 01, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
BUMP - I'd like to order (if I need to) and get on this ASAP
My pediatrician will give me a prescription for Nystatin (sp?) next week if that's what I want.

As far as what products to use in an infant for a yeast cleanse does anyone have recommendations? I'm breastfeeding so I was going to use the Anti Yeast Package for Pregnancy and my child is already getting the Tummy Tune up from Beeyoutiful. I know I would continue with his TTU but could I give him other things from my Pregnancy Pack to help him out? I also have the aloe which could prove beneficial to him I would think.
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: 4myhoonie March 12, 2008, 05:50:34 PM
does anyone know about how many carbs kids should get?  and about how much probiotic should be used in addition?  will probably use garlic too.  thanks, c.
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: skelliott2 March 12, 2008, 07:44:28 PM
When we did this, it wasn't really a matter of counting carbs.  We just only ate allowed foods.  If the kids were hungry, they ate.  They did get pretty skinny while on this diet, but they ate a lot, and seemed really healthy.  Since we didn't use probiotic supplements, I can't help you with amounts.  My kids drank about 1/3 cup coconut kefir every meal, but we worked up to that. 
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: pljammie April 19, 2008, 06:49:02 PM
Did your kids crave the unapproved foods and for how long?  Did you clean out your pantry before doing the diet for everyone? 

I had issues with my kids sneaking food.  They were only on it for about a week and the die off was pretty bad, so I weakened and I let them quit.  Now they are all feeling bad again.  The girls have itchy bottoms and the boy still has eczma as well as his total addiction to white bread and ice cream (that is only available at his grandmother's house).  All of them are starving all day.  I think I'm ready to put them on it again.  Hubby said he'd do the diet as well just to support us all so I think they could do better if we were all eating the same thing.

I would like to give them an antifungal/antiparasite as well.  We have goats and they carry parasites so there is also the possiblity that they have parasites as well.  Any suggestions on a kid friendly supplement since they can't take YA?
 
I have Jarrows probiotics for them and we have raw milk, kefir and yogurt as well.

Jammie
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: skelliott2 April 19, 2008, 07:52:43 PM
Yes, we absolutely cleaned out the pantry before we started.  If the food was in the house, we would have eaten it as well.  I explained to them what we were doing.  I told them that they would want sugar very badly, because those bad yeasts wanted to live, but when the yeasts all went away, they wouldn't want it so badly.  So, we all did it together.  They didn't always like it, but they did understand, and were OK for the most part.  When we figured out we could have ice cream made with xylitol, and club soda with flavored stevia, that helped a lot.  We'd also make shaved ice by freezing lemon water sweetened with stevia, then shaving it.  It's amazing how creative you can be, when there's not a lot of choices around.  We followed the diet to the letter for 6-8 weeks, then added back fruit and baked blue corn chips.  We slowly added rice and grains after that, but we spent about 6 months on pretty much meat, veggies, nuts and fruits. 

We didn't use any anti-candida supplements, so I don't have any suggestions for that.  We just used diet and probiotics to fix the problem.  It worked.  Pau Darco tea is supposed to help.  You could maybe look into that as a supplement.  Also, coconut oil is supposed to be very anti-fungal.  We did use a lot of that.

This was a LOT of work, but worth every minute.  My oldest son is borderline autistic, so we had a lot of motivation to do this.  He improved tremendously after this diet, and my other children improved a few things as well.  So, yes, it can be done.  It's hard, and they won't always like it, but you will all feel so much better at the end, if yeast is a problem for you.  Hope it goes well!
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: pljammie April 20, 2008, 10:04:00 AM
Thanks...that is so encouraging to know that you stuck with it that long. 

Jammie
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: 4myhoonie April 20, 2008, 01:01:49 PM
to anyone who is doing this with kids--help!  i am fine with feeding myself, cuz i don't care if i eat the same things all the time, but when it comes to my family i am failing miserably.  and Jammie--yes!  they are craving sugar, and when we go to homechurch we usually eat there, and it's never low carb.  and they are stuffing cake and cookies they know they can't have.  we talked about it after, but i think we are going to have to eat at home before going.  that's hard, cuz we would leave at 5:30.  i have kefir grains, but it's hard to get it in them, they do ok with smoothies.  they are sick of salad, and i know i shouldn't let them have fruit, but have been weak with that and allowed one fruit a day.  so aside from cutup veggies, cheese, hard boiled eggs--what else can they eat that is good and fun?  and can i really get them to eat/drink coconut kefir if i make it?  or is it as gross as milk kefir?  i guess i am just struggling with how hard this is to do with them.  any advice is greatly appreciated!!!  thanks!
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: 4myhoonie April 20, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
BUMP - I'd like to order (if I need to) and get on this ASAP
My pediatrician will give me a prescription for Nystatin (sp?) next week if that's what I want.

As far as what products to use in an infant for a yeast cleanse does anyone have recommendations? I'm breastfeeding so I was going to use the Anti Yeast Package for Pregnancy and my child is already getting the Tummy Tune up from Beeyoutiful. I know I would continue with his TTU but could I give him other things from my Pregnancy Pack to help him out? I also have the aloe which could prove beneficial to him I would think.


just wondering if anyone has actually used Nystatin for systemic yeast?  my hubby is urging me to get a prescription, thinking it would be easier and just get this overwith.  i tend to think that there would be side effects, etc.
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: herbs girl April 20, 2008, 01:27:22 PM
How do you treat a  4 year old girl for a vaginal yeast infection?  I am giving Gr8dopholis, kefir without whey, folic acid, and I have a kids-safe homeopathic  yeast pills ordered.

Is there a chance it could be bacterial vaginosis?  She has been itching, and hurting, and she has a heavy white discharge.  The yeast pills wont work for bacterial vaginosis.
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: YoopreMama April 20, 2008, 01:48:46 PM
Can you use a diluted ACV rinse in a peri bottle after using the bathroom (would help w/ itching, too)?  Would GOOT be an option?  I'm sorry she has this!  :( 
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: herbs girl April 20, 2008, 01:53:36 PM
Can you use a diluted ACV rinse in a peri bottle after using the bathroom (would help w/ itching, too)?  Would GOOT be an option?  I'm sorry she has this!  :( 

I have heard that ACV can cause a B. vaginosis problem. For me, it did. I used it to help with my PCOS/blood sugar, and I very quickly got an infection.

Thanks for the ideas! :)

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: YoopreMama April 20, 2008, 02:36:28 PM
Herbs Girl--Wow, that's a bummer about the ACV...never heard of that.   :-\

There's this thread (short and sweet):
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11695.msg107321.html#msg107321 ???

and this one:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3798.0.html

Maybe this specific post would help:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,244.msg81620.html#msg81620

or here:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,440.msg117775.html#msg117775

or here:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,924.msg19704.html#msg19704

Maybe there are ideas here:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5160.msg52377.html#msg52377
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1666.msg135118.html#msg135118
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8261.0.html
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5453.msg57016.html#msg57016
 :)
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: herbs girl April 20, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
Thanks, yooper!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D
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: skelliott2 April 20, 2008, 04:08:13 PM
4myhoonie:  I'm sorry this is so hard for your kids.  This diet is really hard.
It's OK to have popcorn every once in a while.  That helped my kids.  I'm trying to rack my brain to remember what all we ate.  It really helps to have a dehydrator, because I made a lot of raw food.  We made fake corn chips out of buckwheat, and flatbread as well, so we'd be able to dip guacamole and have flat pb sandwiches.  If you're going to give them fruit, give them berries.  They're very low glycemic, so not so bad.  Green apples are also OK, sometimes.  You could slice them, and dip in almond butter.  You can also do baked blue corn chips sometimes.  That also helped us get through.  I have a brownie recipe with coconut flour and xylitol if ya'll want it, let me know, and I'll post.  You can break this up into homemade ice cream made with xylitol.  It's a really big treat.

We're starting another yeast cleanse tomorrow.  We did this two years ago, ate great for another year, but in the last six months, not so well.  So, we're going to try another good month of serious yeast dieting, since the kids are starting to really crave junk again.  I'll post menus on here if you want.  

Do you have a good grill?  We make things like bacon wrapped scallops on scewers, or garlic shrimp kabobs.  Grilled chicken and pork are also really yummy.  A friend of mine gave me a recipe for Hawaiin pork, that you can crock pot or smoke and doesn't need bbq sauce.  I'll see if I can get that from her again.

Coconut kefir does taste better than milk kefir, IMO.  It's a big pain to make, though, and pretty expensive.  I think this time we're going to try kombucha for our drink.  The jury's out on whether this is good during a yeast diet or not, but I'm thinking probiotics are good, and the people who don't like kombucha are really trying to sell their kefir powder.  So, we'll see...

herbsgirl, I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter's infection. :'(  Poor thing, I hope she feels better soon.  

I'd also be interested in hearing about nystatin.  From what I've read, it helps while you're taking it, but then the yeast comes back.  But maybe that's because people taking it don't tend to take probiotics to prevent regrowth.  Wouldn't it be nice if that would work, and we didn't have to watch diet so much!
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: skelliott2 April 20, 2008, 04:11:16 PM
I just thought of another snack!  Edamame!  Just heat up and salt.  The kids like shelling them, and they're really low glycemic.

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: 4myhoonie April 20, 2008, 05:18:03 PM
How do you treat a  4 year old girl for a vaginal yeast infection?  I am giving Gr8dopholis, kefir without whey, folic acid, and I have a kids-safe homeopathic  yeast pills ordered.

Is there a chance it could be bacterial vaginosis?  She has been itching, and hurting, and she has a heavy white discharge.  The yeast pills wont work for bacterial vaginosis.

garlic works great--it stings tho  :-\  i have used it as a tea douche, and also worn a clove.  both work great.  so sorry, that has to be awful for her.  :P 
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: 4myhoonie April 20, 2008, 05:21:48 PM
I just thought of another snack!  Edamame!  Just heat up and salt.  The kids like shelling them, and they're really low glycemic.



thanks, skelliot2 for all the ideas, a lot of the stuff mentioned on the lists is just so foreign to me, especially the making of things. (flatbread, etc.)i don't have a dehydrator.  they love raw veggies, i just am having trouble keeping enough around.  the menus sound great.  i am using the Candex with the kids (2 of them) and it seems to be working, just slowly and we have our saturday night church setback every week.  so i guess i should really just be patient.  it's hard to be when they are so IMpatient.   :-\
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: Whiterock April 21, 2008, 03:11:35 AM
I just thought of another snack!  Edamame!  Just heat up and salt.  The kids like shelling them, and they're really low glycemic.



Isn't edamame just soy beans? I don't think I would eat soy beans. Especially when struggling with yeast problems, since yeast often contributes to hormone imbalance. IIRC, yeast feeds on progesterone, causing estrogen dominance and since soy is loaded with phytoestrogens it would just compound the problem, IMO. That can't be good for children or adults. But even without the yeast problems, all the phytoestrogens in soy can have horrible effects on a childs developing reproductive system.

WR
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: pljammie April 25, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
Skelliot2...please share the recipes.  My kids are picky eaters, well 2 out of 3 anyway.  It is also really hard as Meme and Grandad live next door and are a constant source of Little Debbies, popsicles, and boxed cereal...lol.  We did the diet with the kids for about 2 weeks.  They felt better, didn't graze all day long, and the girls quit having itchy bottoms.  Last week dd told me her bottom was itching like crazy and she thought she needed to do the yeast diet again.  I agree, but probably won't start until mid May to give us a chance to clean out the pantry and then we won't have to worry about it during a camping trip with grandparents.  I think I will try to get a yeast killer this time.  I did use probiotics last time.  The kids don't really care for smoothies, but with limited options they may learn to like them.  I let them try my Kombucha tonight and they said, "It's fizzy like soda but rotten"...lol.  I plan to do the stevia flavored water for them a drink treat.  They like it a lot and so do I.  It's a nice change from plain water.

Good luck on the church night...maybe the one time splurge each week isn't a total loss if they are eating good the rest of the week...maybe?  Maybe you could prepare their plate for them?

Jammie
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: 4myhoonie April 27, 2008, 10:45:12 AM
Good luck on the church night...maybe the one time splurge each week isn't a total loss if they are eating good the rest of the week...maybe?  Maybe you could prepare their plate for them?

Jammie

hey Jammie--yeah, i just let them eat, and only have one cookie.  it's usually a carb fest.  healthy somewhat, like last night was rice and bean wraps, with all the fixins, just not good for fighting yeast.  it looked yummy!  and hubby said we weren't eating at home, so i just ate here and everyone else ate there.  it all works out....... ;) 
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: skelliott2 April 28, 2008, 03:59:36 PM
Skelliot2...please share the recipes.  My kids are picky eaters, well 2 out of 3 anyway. 

Jammie

OK!  Here's the brownie recipe.  These are really dense, not too sweet, but really, really good on a yeast diet:

1 cup xylitol
3/4 tsp salt
8 squares unsweetened baking chocolate
6 organic eggs
1 cup coconut flour
2/3 cup coconut milk
2 tsp vanilla flavoring
1 1/2 cups (3 sticks) butter
1 cup crushed nuts (optional, but really good)

Melt butter and chocolate together over low heat.  Remove from heat.  While butter is cooling, mix eggs xylitol, salt, coconut milk, and flavoring in a separate bowl.  Stir in chocolate/butter mixture, then add flour.  Stir until smooth.  Fold in nuts.  Pour into a greased 9x13 pan and bake at 350 for 20-25 minutes. 

Hawaiian Pork

Get a 3-5 pound Boston B**t.  Rub coarse salt into it.  Then, rub ground ginger all over it.  Then, rub liquid smoke.  Rub all of this in very well.  Put in slow cooker.  Cook on low about 10-12 hours.  Remove pork, pour out about half of the juices, but leave some of the juices to moisten meat.  Shred meat, and return to pan with the leftover  juices.  Leave on low until ready to eat.

I got this ready on Saturday night, left it on overnight, and shredded the meat before we went to church.  When we came home, it was ready.  This isn't quite as good as pork with barbecue sauce all over it, but it's flavorful enough that you can live without the sauce.  We ate leftovers today, and everyone still liked it.


Tonight, we had a cheese souffle for dinner.  I told the kids we were eating French gourmet, and they got all excited about it!  It's a lot like a crustless quiche, but it's all puffy and yummy.  The kids really liked it, and I learned souffles are not that difficult to make! 

I remembered, too, that we use the grill a lot on this diet.  Everything just seems to taste better when cooked with charcoal, and cheap meat is especially good.  We've had grilled chicken thighs a couple of time, and they're happy with garden veggies like green beans to go with them!  We've also done steak and sausage.  They'll even eat salad if it has grilled chicken on it!

We've had raw lasagna and raw sushi (no raw fish, just veggies, and the rice is made from jicama), those were really good as well.  Raw foods go over better for lunch than dinner for some reason.  I think for dinner everyone wants meat.

Of course, we're doing this now since we're finished with homeschooling for the year, and I have more time on my hands.  If it were during the school year, we'd be eating a lot more raw carrot sticks, and less raw food creations!  :)

I hope the recipes work for you!!




: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt April 28, 2008, 04:25:38 PM
Please post recipes on these threads.

Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Low Carb Recipes [Atkins, Anti-Candida, High Protein, etc.] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15332.msg145608.html#msg145608)
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: lotsagirls April 29, 2008, 02:30:36 AM
Question...I started ds on Primal Defense on Sat. night.  I give 1 pill before bed.  Yesterday he started complaining about jaw pain, headache and stomachache.  Is this die off?  This am he still is complaining of jaw pain, but he said the head ache and stomachache were pretty much gone.
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: lotsagirls April 29, 2008, 07:34:53 AM
Question...I started ds on Primal Defense on Sat. night.  I give 1 pill before bed.  Yesterday he started complaining about jaw pain, headache and stomachache.  Is this die off?  This am he still is complaining of jaw pain, but he said the head ache and stomachache were pretty much gone.

BUMP!
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: Whiterock April 29, 2008, 09:08:02 AM
bump bump
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: lotsagirls April 29, 2008, 09:35:05 AM
K, I'm getting a little concerned here.  He's just been laying around all day.  This IS NOT normal for him.  He's very active and never complains about being sick or having pain.
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: 4myhoonie April 29, 2008, 09:51:19 AM
K, I'm getting a little concerned here.  He's just been laying around all day.  This IS NOT normal for him.  He's very active and never complains about being sick or having pain.

i have used this stuff with my kids a lot, and never had any trouble.  it does flush a lot of toxins, and i would make sure to get LOTS of water in him.  is he eating?  did you only give the one pill or have you given one each night?  i think 1/2 pill to start with is good and work up very slowly.  i don't know about the jaw pain, sorry.  i prefer the powder as i find it to absorb more readily.  it might just be us though.  sorry i can't be of more help.  hope he gets to feeling better soon. 
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: skelliott2 April 29, 2008, 10:03:02 AM
My kids have never complained of hurting, though I guess it could happen.  The only time I've ever had jaw pain was when I had a sinus/ear infection.  Grapefruit seed extract, just a drop or two in a glass of water cleared it up.  Hope you figure it out.  :'(
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: healthybratt April 29, 2008, 10:42:41 AM
My kids have never complained of hurting, though I guess it could happen.  The only time I've ever had jaw pain was when I had a sinus/ear infection. 
This is what I was thinking.  It could be related to die-off but maybe indirectly.  Maybe it just lowered his immune system and he caught a bug?
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: lotsagirls April 29, 2008, 10:56:39 AM
My kids have never complained of hurting, though I guess it could happen.  The only time I've ever had jaw pain was when I had a sinus/ear infection. 
This is what I was thinking.  It could be related to die-off but maybe indirectly.  Maybe it just lowered his immune system and he caught a bug?

I'm starting to think you all may be right.  He's been sleeping for a while now.  We were out of state visiting relatives this weekend and he did eat some no-nos and we stayed in a house with pets.  (HIGHLY allergic)  Maybe his system just overloaded.

I am going to give him the GSE...hopefully that will nip it in the bud.
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: pljammie May 01, 2008, 02:47:20 AM
Thanks for the recipes for the pork and brownies.  We are camping this next week so I may start the kids again since grilled meat and veggies is our main camping food.  Although the Meme will be there and I'm not sure I want to battle the constant onslaught of her offering ice cream, popsicles, candy, etc. 

I think I'm going to look into a yeast killing supplement for them to help it go a little faster.  Where do you get the candex?

Jammie
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: 4myhoonie May 01, 2008, 03:08:43 AM
Thanks for the recipes for the pork and brownies.  We are camping this next week so I may start the kids again since grilled meat and veggies is our main camping food.  Although the Meme will be there and I'm not sure I want to battle the constant onslaught of her offering ice cream, popsicles, candy, etc. 

I think I'm going to look into a yeast killing supplement for them to help it go a little faster.  Where do you get the candex?

Jammie

i don't remember where i bought it, but got 4 bottles to save on shipping.  i'm having no luck getting it into the kids an hour before breakfast and 2 hours after supper.  the diet wore me out and we are taking a breather for mom to get some more menus in her arsenal.  i am on it, but they are not.  i feel like every time we go off it is a major setback.  :-\  anyway, you can find the candex at vitaminshoppe and several other places where you can buy 3 or 4 and get free shipping.  you may not need that many for just a couple kids.  i am taking it too, figuring every little bit helps.   8) 
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: jjswan May 16, 2008, 10:50:15 AM
I'm getting ready to start my 3 boys (age 5, 4, 2) on Threelac.  Well, I JUST ordered it, so it'll be a few days yet.

I just have a few questions:  HOw long should I have them be on this?  And what do I do after they're done being on it, as far as maintenance goes?  Do I give them some probiotics or what?

We're trying to change our diet...but it's very SLOW and hard. I just haven't figured out how to remove all the sugar.  We really don't eat a ton of sugar. But I know we can improve.

I'd really love to chit chat with someone who has been doing this.
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: wearefive May 30, 2008, 11:27:19 AM
I am not to familiar with Canadida.  I have read not read all of the threads on Canadida,  but have read this one about children and yeast.    But here is my question:  My daughter(who is almost 3 yrs old) has  had skin problems on the backs of her legs for 4 or 5 months (mostly in the bend of the knee).  They itch so bad that she makes them bleed and puss.  At first I thought she was allergic to Gluten that I put in some bread that I had made, then I thought it might be eczema.  I had some Eden salve and then I bought some Miracle salve.  Neither worked or even helped.  I was recently visiting my mother-in-law and told her everything I thought it was and what I had tried.  She had some Nystain (sp?) and suggested we try that.  At this point I was ready to try anything.  I used it just one time and after a few days it cleared up.  But know that we are back home it has returned.  I just didn't know if it had to with yeast since it was on her legs and not other places.  I have two other girls.  One has not been affected at all and the other does have some dry skin, but it does seem to resemble my 3yr olds skin. (we do live in a dry area in the West)  Back in the fall all 3 of my girls had impetigo and had to have antibiotics.  We tried to treat it naturally, but to no avail.  Sorry this is such a long post, but while reading this thread I never read anyone saying their child had skin problems.  The only reason I thought what my daughter had was yeast was because of the Nystain clearing up her skin.  Thanks to anyone who can help.   
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: 4myhoonie May 30, 2008, 01:08:56 PM
i have 5 kids, 3 of which have skin problems, and the others have some other symptoms.  one has eczema, one has bumps on backs of arms and face, one has really hard to control acne (she's 16).  i also, have had the bumps in the past, but now am treating for yeast and they are almost gone.  also, my children have been prone to cradle cap even after babyhood and my son has a couple warts right now.  in my experience it all seems to be related to candida. 

we like to use raw african shea butter on my son's eczema.  it's awesome! referenced here: 

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,16619.0.html

and i bought mine here:

http://www.yosheabutter.com/

hope some of this is helpful to you!   :) 
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: pljammie May 30, 2008, 03:43:24 PM
One of my kids has skin problems and I have had skin problems for 20 years.  I know both are yeast related since they get better when we follow a candida diet.  I *think* skin problems are actually quite common with yeast overgrowth.  We both also have a ton of allergies and our hope is that getting the candida under control will help to alleviate some of those allergies...especially the foods. 

Jammie
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: YoopreMama May 31, 2008, 07:12:45 AM
Just some thoughts... :)

I've battled eczema for most of my life, & it was almost completely eliminated when I went GF.  If I have too much sugar, though, the rash comes back, and that's why I think it's still yeast related.  So many gluten-rich foods are full of carbs and sugar, too, which the yeast feed on...I can see why going GF helps w/ yeast.

Another clue was having a castor oil treatment for inducing labor clear me up...something antifungal in it.

Salt baths and oils are all I use on our skin and it really helps.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: jenibee June 04, 2008, 04:13:50 AM
I found this site through another posting (in this thread?) but I thought I'd re-post because it's so good:

 Candida Treatments for Babies and Children  (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php)

And here's a link to the general Candida information on the same website (including food lists):

 Candida, the Yeast Syndrome  (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2.php)

I'm finally making a connection between ds's food allergies and candida...duh  :P...he had a blister-like diaper rash that went away with coconut oil, he gets skin rashes with his food allergies, and now he has fungus on his big toenail!!!  I feel like a terrible mother...but hopefully this will make it all better.  :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: serzer June 16, 2008, 09:17:31 AM
I have a 4 year old that has had weird bouts of constipation with seepage (his underwear get wet) every since he was on antibiotics in January of this year.  Now he has had diarrhea for over a week with stomach cramps. Blood and mucus is in his stool. The Dr. has done two stool samples and can find no bad bacteria, but it did show large amounts of yeast.   Bloodwork did not show inflammation, yet she is sending me to a pediatric GI.  I will take him off of all sugar and milk and grains.  I know though that in order to get a positive test for celiac you have to be eating grains.  So, thus my dilemma.  Should I continue with the grains or get rid of them?    I have been giving him Tummy tuneup and garlic and bentonite clay.  I am trying to get kefir grains, and if I do, how will I give it to him without any sweetener?  (and get him to drink it)

A friend suggested testing his blood sugar levels.  My mom has a glucometer so I will try that. 

What else should I be doing?

I am worried sick over this.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt June 17, 2008, 07:04:02 AM
I have a 4 year old that has had weird bouts of constipation with seepage (his underwear get wet) every since he was on antibiotics in January of this year.  Now he has had diarrhea for over a week with stomach cramps. Blood and mucus is in his stool. The Dr. has done two stool samples and can find no bad bacteria, but it did show large amounts of yeast.   Bloodwork did not show inflammation, yet she is sending me to a pediatric GI.  I will take him off of all sugar and milk and grains.  I know though that in order to get a positive test for celiac you have to be eating grains.  So, thus my dilemma.  Should I continue with the grains or get rid of them?    I have been giving him Tummy tuneup and garlic and bentonite clay.  I am trying to get kefir grains, and if I do, how will I give it to him without any sweetener?  (and get him to drink it)

A friend suggested testing his blood sugar levels.  My mom has a glucometer so I will try that. 

What else should I be doing?

I am worried sick over this.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3722.msg189846.html#msg189846
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: momofkings July 29, 2008, 03:11:15 PM
I am researching an eczema problem in my 13 year old son, which I have posted about on another thread.  This has led me to the threads on yeast.  I have seen a few places that say that children should not take the yeast assassin.  Why?  I was planning on giving it to him and to my other son who is 10.  I am nursing, so won't take it, but planned to give it to both of them.  It seems I read someplace else it was ok, but a couple times it was mentioned not to give it to children.  ???
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Mrs. B July 29, 2008, 03:37:18 PM
I am researching an eczema problem in my 13 year old son, which I have posted about on another thread.  This has led me to the threads on yeast.  I have seen a few places that say that children should not take the yeast assassin.  Why?  I was planning on giving it to him and to my other son who is 10.  I am nursing, so won't take it, but planned to give it to both of them.  It seems I read someplace else it was ok, but a couple times it was mentioned not to give it to children.  ???
My feelings on this are that it is really dependent upon the child, and what you think they are able to handle.
I have no problem giving yeast assassin to a child of either age, especially a 13 year old, and my 10 year old has taken them in the past without incident.
The main issue IMO is the detox symptoms and the possiblity of them being very severe. 
I would personally start with a lower than the recommended adult dose of YA and gauge how they react and move up or down with the amounts depending upon this.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock July 29, 2008, 05:19:12 PM
I have given it to my 14yo and my 9yo. I only gave them one capsule and watched them for a couple days. They had some mild die off (mild head ache, tiredness, scratchy throat, and a little grumpiness). So I think it's working well, and have starting alternated it with GSE - one YA one day and GSE the next day (and giving them probiotics throughout). They are fine and I will probably increase the dose of the 14yo, soon.

WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: momofkings July 29, 2008, 05:44:27 PM
Thanks for your input.  I will go ahead and give it to them slowly and see how they do.  I am curious about using grapefruit seed extract.  It seems I recently read that, although it is a natural antibiotic, it still kills the good as well as the bad bacteria and should be used sparingly.  That is contradictory to other things I have read in using it as a treatment for candida
I seem to get as many questions as I go along as answers... :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: wearefive July 31, 2008, 12:15:45 PM
I was just wondering.  I just bought some NOW Candida Clear that I was going to use myself, but do you think it would be OK to give it to my daughter who I think has Candida.  It  does not say that it is only for adults.  Just thought I'd asked.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Mrs. B July 31, 2008, 12:19:27 PM
I was just wondering.  I just bought some NOW Candida Clear that I was going to use myself, but do you think it would be OK to give it to my daughter who I think has Candida.  It  does not say that it is only for adults.  Just thought I'd asked.
This is the brand we usually use, and as I wrote a few posts up, I have given it to my kids without problem.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock July 31, 2008, 12:21:03 PM
The "Yeast Assassin" I have is actually Candida clear but I use the names interchangeably since they are the same product. So, like I said I have given it to my 9yo with no problems.

WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock August 03, 2008, 05:37:23 AM
Help, please.

Of those of you who have given Yeast Assassin / Candida Clear to your children, what is the age of the youngest you have given it to?

My 14 year old left some where my 15mo ds could get to it and the 15mo ate about half a capsule. I'm not that worried but I thought I would ask about it here and see if there is any reason I should worry.

Thanks,
WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock August 03, 2008, 09:27:19 AM
Bump.

Help, please.

Of those of you who have given Yeast Assassin / Candida Clear to your children, what is the age of the youngest you have given it to?

My 14 year old left some where my 15mo ds could get to it and the 15mo ate about half a capsule. I'm not that worried but I thought I would ask about it here and see if there is any reason I should worry.

Thanks,
WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Mrs. B August 03, 2008, 09:53:46 AM
Bump.

Help, please.

Of those of you who have given Yeast Assassin / Candida Clear to your children, what is the age of the youngest you have given it to?

My 14 year old left some where my 15mo ds could get to it and the 15mo ate about half a capsule. I'm not that worried but I thought I would ask about it here and see if there is any reason I should worry.

Thanks,
WR
First of all, YUCK!  I can barely stand the things myself due to the smell.
Honestly, looking at appropriate doses for kids/babies, a child that age would get 1/8 to 1/4 of an adult dose which would be about 1/2 of one capsule as 2 capsules are the dose.
I don't think that there should be anything to worry about with a one time dose. 
I don't think that I would recommend giving it to a child this young on a regular basis (for others reading this)... I would personally probably consider this for kids at the earliest from 7-10 years old depending upon the child and their personal history.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Whiterock August 03, 2008, 10:13:18 AM
Thank you.
WR
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: healthybratt August 05, 2008, 07:48:48 AM
I am researching an eczema problem in my 13 year old son, which I have posted about on another thread.  This has led me to the threads on yeast.  I have seen a few places that say that children should not take the yeast assassin.  Why?  I was planning on giving it to him and to my other son who is 10.  I am nursing, so won't take it, but planned to give it to both of them.  It seems I read someplace else it was ok, but a couple times it was mentioned not to give it to children.  ???
Read this post by Forevergirl for the indications on Yeast Assassin and dosages for children.
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3484.msg45932.html#msg45932
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: YoopreMama October 08, 2008, 01:10:18 PM
That site is SO good!  The link for treating babies and children is excellent!
I found this site through another posting (in this thread?) but I thought I'd re-post because it's so good:

 Candida Treatments for Babies and Children  (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php)

And here's a link to the general Candida information on the same website (including food lists):

 Candida, the Yeast Syndrome  (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2.php)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: noahsmom81 February 09, 2009, 05:16:08 PM
I just figured out that I have Candida and I am pretty sure my six year old son has it. I just ordered Yeast Assassin and TTU for myself. I'm wondering if my son can take YA and TTU? Is there something else I can give him besides Cod liver oil? I want to do what I can to help him with the die-off symtoms too.

Thanks!  :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Lovn my boys July 05, 2009, 06:07:52 PM
Great info here!  Some questions...

If being enterically coated is important to keep the good guys alive 'til they get to the intestine, how do you get probiotics into a 5yo?  (I've tried the teensy tiny Shaklee 'pearls' and he spits them out no matter how I 'camo' them ???).  Specifically, I'm wondering about TTU.

I've read the differences between the BeeYoutiful yeast package and the Threelac yeast program, but I'm not knowledgeable to really understand the differences (other than the full threelac program is more than double the price of BeeYoutifuls :o).  Does anyone have a recommendation on which is better?  This would be for me and two of my ds (10,5).

Finally, this site was helpful to me in determining the severity of each person's candida overgrowth:
http://www.candidasupport.org/tests.html (http://www.candidasupport.org/tests.html)

Thanks so much for sharing your research and experience!
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Lovn my boys July 10, 2009, 06:35:01 AM
In case anyone else comes back here....
I called BeeYoutiful and was told that breaking apart the TTU capsule and sprinkling the powder onto pizza, in applesauce, or whatever has proven to be helpful for their little ones.   Apparently the good guys still get into the intestines, just not as many of them, since they can't all make it through the hostile stomach.   FWIW :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: orcuttranch July 10, 2009, 09:34:29 AM
Great info here!  Some questions...

If being enterically coated is important to keep the good guys alive 'til they get to the intestine, how do you get probiotics into a 5yo?  (I've tried the teensy tiny Shaklee 'pearls' and he spits them out no matter how I 'camo' them ???).  Specifically, I'm wondering about TTU.

I've read the differences between the BeeYoutiful yeast package and the Threelac yeast program, but I'm not knowledgeable to really understand the differences (other than the full threelac program is more than double the price of BeeYoutifuls :o).  Does anyone have a recommendation on which is better?  This would be for me and two of my ds (10,5).

Finally, this site was helpful to me in determining the severity of each person's candida overgrowth:
http://www.candidasupport.org/tests.html (http://www.candidasupport.org/tests.html)

Thanks so much for sharing your research and experience!

We were talking on another thread about when to take probiotics and someone posted this.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,21241.msg232478.html#msg232478

She had found some quotes from different doctors.  The one that struck me the most was the one that said that an empty stomach has a very acidic environment (1.5 to 2.5) and that the probiotics need a ph of 4.0 to survive.  A full stomach has a ph of between 4.0 and 6.0.  So if you are trying to get probiotics into a child without the coating on the pills, it seems the best way to get the most living probiotics into the digestive tract would be to sprinkle them on the last few bites of food at the end of a meal?  The quotes also suggested having them drink skim milk with them - gives the probiotics "food" to grow on, and doing a little 2 or 3 times a day rather than a lot once a day.

HTH
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: WI Cheesehead July 25, 2009, 04:33:35 AM
This is late, but I've found my 6 yo has an easier time taking pills if they're put in applesauce.  That seems to make it slide down easier.

I've heard both sides of the story, that you're supposed to take probiotics with food or take it at least 15 minutes before or after eating.   Then there are the probiotics themselves who have the directions.  Some say with, some say without. ??  It's quite confusing.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: Lovn my boys July 25, 2009, 02:20:52 PM
Thanks for the advice :).  I've been dutifully giving my 5yo Yeast Assassin & TTU (we've stabilized at 1/2 a capsule 2xday, just after a meal) plus  using Miracle Salve externally on his rashes.  After nearly 2 mos. of minimal results, his rash is finally clearing up. 

When I forget to give him the internal combo for a day or two, but remember Miracle, the rash begins to worsen.  When I forget Miracle for a day or two, but remember YA and TTU (even if it's just 1xday), the rash begins to worsen.  It seems that YA, TTU, and Miracle are all working in concert to clear this up. 

FWIW, my 5yo loves to take the powder mixed in with a dab of honey mustard dressing.  My 8yo tolerates that mix, but we found out today that greek dressing is preferable to him.  (A cankor? sore that will not go away started getting better after just a couple 1/2 doses of YA & TTU, plus some peroxide applied at night). 

Now, if we can just get back to 'regular' year structure and be done with all the summer fun activities that tend to be laden with sweets :P, I think we'll be in good shape. 

Thanks again for all your help.   :D




: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: WI Cheesehead July 25, 2009, 04:39:54 PM
I thought that YA was only for teens and adults??  Maybe I'm wrong.  My 15 yo, DH and I are taking Now brand Candida Clear with a probiotic every day (also several other things, including cranberry).  I'm not giving them to the kids, although, now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I could give them the probiotics in the applesauce (6 yo and 10 yo - who just learned to swallow small pills).  We're all on the diet, more or less, though.  The 10 yo is totally addicted to sugar!  Before this diet, he would beg for candy every time we went out, or soda, or slushie!  ::)  Now, he knows better.  The 6 yo was developing warts on his hand and toes.  Someone recommended giving him Now brand Allibiotic.  That's how we got him to take pills.  We put it in the applesauce, and he reminds us every day.  After just a week, they started lessening and they're down significantly now.  It's nice to actually visually see the results.  With the candida, it's kind of hard to see results, because I never had anything severe, except the severe lethargy.  That has gotten better, thank God!  Once we went off of things, ie, sugar, milk (still do cheese), grains, when my DD would accidentally have some, she would get sick.  Anyways, I think the diet will be a semi-permanent thing.  Although I might look for gluten free pasta, to be able to have spaghetti again!
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: 4myhoonie September 27, 2009, 06:30:04 AM
brown rice pasta is good but kinda pricey, about $3.50 a pound at our local grocery store.  they make rotini too.  it's Tinkanyada brand, i think!  also, in season spaghetti squash is candida diet friendly.   HTH
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: pljammie September 28, 2009, 05:56:01 AM
I found rice noodles at Wal-Mart the other day.  They weren't brown rice though.  Also, I get plain rice noodles for very cheap at a Korean store near here...

just some other ideas

J
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: wearefive October 18, 2011, 04:56:24 PM
The ones of you who have had children with yeast problems ever had a child who has bad eczema all over their body, but their diaper area be perfectly clear?  My son just turned two and within the last 6 months started have eczema problems.  We had a blood test done to test for the major food and enviromental allergies and to have his liver and kidneys tested.  They all came back negative for allergies and that his levels for his liver and kidneys were normal.  It makes me wonder if the testing was accurate??  Not trying to doubt the Dr. but just makes me wonder.  So a friend of mine was saying yeast or digestive problems.  He has only have one does of antibiotics in his two years and that was when he was 4months old and then the eczema did not start till 18 months old.  I did give him probiotics after his antibiotics.  I have him taking a probiotic now and another product called Sunrider.  Just thought I'd ask all of you who have dealt with yeast in children.  Thanks :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: wearefive October 20, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
Bump Just thought some of you might have some good input on my last question!!! :)
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: mykidsmom October 29, 2011, 03:40:46 AM
Yep.  My boy was covered in eczema but not in the diaper area.  His ended up being major food allergies.  While candida is certainly a component of food allergies, you can't fix the allergies by simply doing a candida diet.  We had 7 allergy tests done over 8yrs and every single one of them was wrong.  We finally had the ELISA 96 food panel done by US BioTek and wowza.  We quickly found out what our boy was allergic to.  As soon as we removed the foods, his eczema cleared up.  So I would say the allergy the test run by your doctor was not a good one.  But it's not just him.  We've never had an AMA approved allergy test come out good.  You can look up US BioTek and take a requisition from the website to your doctor and tell them what you want done.  They can mail the test to US BioTek and you can go from there.  You MUST provide a credit card number on the req. before your doctor sends it in or US BioTek will hold the blood and not test until it's paid for in advance.  But you'll get answers with that test.
: Re: Treating Children for Candida/Yeast
: IowaDove December 16, 2011, 10:39:58 AM
Ok, so I'm pretty sure we're dealing with yeast problems right now. I've always battled yeast infections-even as an infant and now my 4 yr old daughter seems to be having the same issues. My 2yr old son has always had skin issues and recently they've both broken out in a blistery rash that's mostly on their hands, feet, and bottoms-is that yeast? My son is very fussy and not sleeping well. My husband smells yeasty and feels sluggish and since being on many antibiotics for several months a few years ago for strep throat that wouldn't go away (I didn't know anything back then  :'() I think his system is completely compromised now. All of our immune systems are weak and we seem to catch everything even with all the vitamins we're taking.
 So all that to say, we are not able to do the diet right now or probably anytime soon, plus my husband isn't really willing right now, and I am 6 months pregnant. So, what can I do right now to help relieve some of the issues my kids are having? I have cut out sugar, I give my kids probiotics and cod liver oil.
 Carbs are our biggest weakness-my husband and kids are total carb freaks, which is part of candida issues, right? I don't want this to get out of control, but I need to wait for our lives to settle down (selling our business and house, moving, having a baby etc) before I can bring this to my husband's attention. Sorry if this has already been discussed. Thank you for all your wisdom and advice!