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Remedies & Therapies => About the Body => Reproductive => : Nickole July 27, 2006, 09:39:48 AM

: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: Nickole July 27, 2006, 09:39:48 AM
I just wanted to let everyone know about blessedarrows.com which is a ministry to help raise funds for reversals, both tubal and vascectomies.  You give money each month as you are able and slowly your name rises to the top in order of joining, as the funds are paid out for operations.  Really cool.  In case finances are a major decision between couples, there's that option in case everyone's thinking "we can't afford an 8-$10,000 operation!" 
My husband got a reversal after 3 years of me praying - we had the money to get it done, but that's ALL we had, felt we should not use the ministry then, but we did find out about doctors, yet had to fly to Arkansas from NC to do it!  This doctor does these every week as a ministry.  He has 9 boys I think!  It was $2,000 for my husband - hotel, car, plane, everything.  Doc's fee was $1500.  Cheap.  Got prego the next month!  Now, my husband says our family is "complete".  I am back and forth on the subject, getting older, pregnancy is TIRING plus I gain a TON of weight on my very petite frame which is hard on me and harder to lose as I get older.  So glad I have him to make that final decision.  I can rest in his leadership. 

Nickole
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: Pennie July 27, 2006, 09:44:11 AM
wow, that is neat.  I have a friend I am going to share that with!! Thanks for the info.
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: Pennie July 27, 2006, 09:49:43 AM
Nickole,

I couldn't bring up that page.  Could you give me the link? I must be doing something wrong.  Thanks.
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: Nickole July 27, 2006, 10:00:36 AM
SORRY - I JUST CHECKED - IT'S WWW.BLESSEDARROWS.ORG  (http://WWW.BLESSEDARROWS.ORG) NOT COM!   I'm holding my vasectomy-reversal baby right now! 

Yeah, more often than not, when we tell people our story, they inevitably know someone they want to tell, someone they know who has lamented their "permanent" decision thinking there was nothing they could do b/c of the usual expense of these procedures.  Even if they didn't want to wait for financing through the ministry, they could still find docs on the site who do it at minimal cost as a ministry.  My husband thought "well, too late, we already did it" before we found out about this site.

Glad to get the word out!

Nickole












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: Pennie July 27, 2006, 10:05:50 AM
Thanks!!  ;D
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: mexmarr July 27, 2006, 10:08:46 AM
If you (or your husband) has had a vasectamy and didn't get pregnant the next month, don't dispair.  It took my mom 5 years to get pregnant.  Now I have 5 brothers and one sister ages 4-11!  It worked after all!
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: Nickole July 27, 2006, 10:15:09 AM
Yes, that's true - I don't want to give false hope.  The chances decrease as years pass since you got the vasectomy - we were at about three years, and 3 and under years has the best chances.  Plus I have always gotten pregnant very easily.  ;D

Nickole
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: mexmarr July 27, 2006, 10:19:13 AM
Plus I have always gotten pregnant very easily.  ;D


So did my mom.  She had her first 3 kids in 4 years. Fourteen year gap, and the 6 in 7 1/2 years. (No twins!) Only God knows why there were five years of no children after the reversal. 
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: healthyinOhio July 27, 2006, 02:32:04 PM
We looked into BlessedArrows for my hubby's vasectomy reversal.  I wasn't too happy with the group.  You don't apply for a grant or anything.  You join and you make a monthly donation to them for many months while waiting on their list.  I guess average time is anywhere from 6-18 months.  By then, all your money that you have donated is the money that will eventually be back to you for your surgery.  Then, it is a set limit and you have to go to a doctor that they have on their lists.  If you have chosen another doctor, you either don't get the money, or you get less. 
My husband did not want to wait that long, so we took out a loan.  He had his reversal last year and we are still paying on the loan. :-\  We were hoping that God would provide for us, miraculously like all those wonderful encouraging testimonials on all the doctor's sites, but I guess his choice for us is paying on a loan.  Oh, well.

I'm holding my vasectomy-reversal baby right now!

I am soooo happy for you Nickole!!  I can just imagine how wonderful it must have felt to finally be pregnant after thinking for so long that you might not ever be able to bear another child.  My husband had his reversal in November of last year, but the doctor said he has too much scar tissue for me to conceive :'(  So, this once so very nice Christian doctor was very non-compassionate when I cried on the phone and said that we could not afford another surgery.  "Sorry, he said.  Sometimes that happens.  It will be another $1500 for another surgery, please."  So, after praying for three years for my hubby to change his mind to have more children, I guess I am praying for a miracle.  Beeyoutiful mentioned some Aloe Vera juice and he claims he feels a lot different down there.  I hope he is right. 

Mexmarr,
Did you say that your mom conceived after her husband had a vasectomy?  Or a reversal?  That is weird to get pregnant after a vasectomy.  I tried!! 














: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: Nickole July 27, 2006, 03:16:04 PM
Like I said, we didn't go on the waiting list, so I imagine there may be a long wait, but who knows?  I think you only have to commit to an amount per month you can afford.  At any rate, it's a good resource for doctors who will do it as a ministry.  That makes me sad, though, when I hear about bad experiences.   :'(  I am so sorry about that. 
So now I ask my husband, "so we did all this for just ONE more?"  (we have 3 now) and he says yes!  I was thinking two more, but he's the boss - I'm just getting older and if we are going to have more, I'd rather get those tough pregnancies over now, while younger!  :)  So I keep asking, "are you sure......?"  ;D
Anything could happen - we won't do anything permanent again.  We are using spermicide inserts - are those bad?????  I read about health hazards from other things, but nothing said about those.     

Nickole
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: mexmarr July 27, 2006, 03:53:37 PM
Opps, major typo....  My dad had the vasectamy just after I was born.  He had the reversal when I was nine, and my mom got pregnant when I was 14 (and 15, and 17 and.....) She came to my wedding 8 months pregnant with the last one  :)  (and two miscarriages since)

Does that make more sense????? 8)
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: healthyinOhio July 27, 2006, 04:05:30 PM
Thanks mexarr!  That makes a little more sense.  I was beginning to think your daddy had super sperm or something! :D  It has definitely encouraged me some and has given me hope!  Really don't want to wait five years (MY dd would be 13 and my son 9) but I will take a blessing regardless!
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: lewisquiverfull July 27, 2006, 07:03:05 PM
A friend of mine used the same dr in AR. She also had a baby almost instantly, that was 5 years ago and has not had another since then. I wonder why that is so? Anyway, she was very happy her husband did it and thankful the dr did it so cheap. He gave them a book called A Full Quiver. Everyone should read it before they decide on permanant sterilization.
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: Mama Sita July 28, 2006, 02:12:35 AM
I just wanted to let everyone know about blessedarrows.com

Hi Nickole,
Thanks for posting this website. Hubby and I have been familiar with this website for awhile, and have been considering a reversal. Can I ask how your hubby did during the operation? I've heard it can be up to a six hour ordeal, and that wouldn't be good for my hubby. Would you also mind sharing the name of the dr you saw in AR? We are really interested in getting a reversal sometime soon..... :)

Thanks,
Lisa
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: healthyinOhio July 28, 2006, 02:31:52 AM
mama sita,

My husband's reversal was approximately 45 min.  Each doctor does the surgery differently and you really need to consider one that does "micro surgery".  The cheapest doctor that I have found is in Oklahoma.  He does it for $1,370 and then if the surgery needs to be corrected, then he only charges you for is fee and nothing else.  Other surgeons charge you either the full price the second time or just a couple hundred dollars cheaper.  The doctors in AK look relatively cheep and I have heard nice things about them.  I would not recommend the guy in Texas!!  There is also a cheap and successful one in Indiana.  I am not sure about your location.  I hope you are able to get this done!!  Let me know if and when it happens :)
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: mexmarr July 28, 2006, 03:13:53 AM
  I would not recommend the guy in Texas!! 

Can you be a little more specific here?  (No offense taken, just want this clarified for the sake of the good doctors ;) ) There is more than one guy in TX who does this!  My dad traveled from GA to TX to get his done.  That was 17 years ago so chances are it is not the same one, but I do know that my dad's DR has many thousands of "reversal children."

And any women looking for a tubal ligation reversal, the absolute best doctor (IMO) is in TX. He's actually done many for free and hosted the couples in his home for a week while mom recovers.  (Many families that I know personally!)
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: Pennie July 28, 2006, 03:30:13 AM
what's his name?  The friend I want to help they are in late 30's and their kids are like 12 and 8.  And she is actually from Texas, but they are college students.  I think he will grad next year.  Haven't discussed it with her in awhile but she REALLY wants some more children.  But the counsel they recieved as younger people was well.........
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: healthyinOhio July 28, 2006, 05:36:57 AM
There are two that I am familiar with in Texas.  One is Dr. Busch.  He seems nice but is terribly expensive.  He gave me the run around and never answered my questions, properly.  The second, the one my husband saw was Dr. Leverett, in New Braunsfell, Texas.  He was nice up until the surgery( you know, he got his money) and then when it  didn't go as planned, then he was very cold. 
Unfortunately, with a surgery like this, you never know if the doctor is good or not until it is too late.  When I said the guy in Texas(I know there are many) I was referring to the blessedarrows recommendations in Texas.  I guess I could have been more specific on that.
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: Nickole July 28, 2006, 06:26:11 AM
Dr. Stanton in Arkansas.  My husband had no problems at all, the man prayed with him before and everything.  It was a quick surgery, not a big deal at all, in and out!

Nickole
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: mexmarr July 28, 2006, 06:31:59 AM
  The second, the one my husband saw was Dr. Leverett, in New Braunsfell, Texas.  He was nice up until the surgery( you know, he got his money) and then when it  didn't go as planned, then he was very cold. 

What can I say?  That is who my dad saw!  All I know about him is that my dad was pleased, and now has six more children as a result.  Like I said, it was 17 years ago.

The absolute best OB/GYN who does tubal ligation reversals is also in New Braunfels, TX.  His name is Dr. Skip Rath. (Uncle Skip to me ;D) I will highly recommand him to anyone!!!  He has done countless reversals for Christian women in Mexico as a ministry. (There, they tie your tubes when you deliver, and then tell you later....in the government hospitals...)
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: healthyinOhio July 28, 2006, 06:58:48 AM
What can I say?  That is who my dad saw!  All I know about him is that my dad was pleased, and now has six more children as a result.  Like I said, it was 17 years ago.

That is too funny!  Although, Dr. Leverett was in his prime with your dad.  He is almost 80 or something like that, now.  Besides, it is not so much of the technique as it was the attitude after it didn't work out.  I am sure he would have been very nice and friendly had we conceived right away.  But it was a different story.  I am happy for your parents.
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: Mama Sita July 29, 2006, 02:33:54 AM
Thank you to everyone who posted Dr. recommendations. Word of mouth is always the best advertising!
I'll keep you posted..... ;)

Mama Sita
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: ahsmom3x July 30, 2006, 11:29:16 AM
Hello everyone.

My husband had his vasectomy one year after our daughter was born. She is now 13. When our kids were about 7 & 8, I started praying that God would change my husbands heart about having more children OR change my heart about wanting to have more children. Soon, God did change his heart and decided to give the control back over to God for the number of kids we would have. God also brought the name of a doctor in Indiana who did reversals for less money. (We lived in Wisconsin at the time) So, my husband said to pray for the money and in the meantime make an appt. Three months went by and God did provide the money! In 2001, he had his reversal and the Doctor said we would have no trouble getting pregnant. I expected I would get pregnant right away. Months turned into years and we finally gave up and said well, I guess the Lord doesn't want us to have children any more. We were content knowing that we had given control back to the Lord. Surprise, in December 2003 we were surprised to find out that we were pregnant! Our older kids are now 14 and 13 and our miracle baby is turning two in just a few days!

He is a constant reminder of how God is in control and how we chose to trust God with the size of our family. We both want to have more babies, we lost one in May of 2005 and keep praying that God will bless us again, however we continue to trust that the Lord knows what is best. (We are getting older now, husband will be 40 soon and I will be 38).

Anyway, I wanted to let you know that the doctor my husband saw was Dr. Streeter, in Merrillville, IN. I looked to see if he is still at the same location and found this link in which to seek him out. http://www.surgicalreversal.com/site/969796/page/45030
My husband did not have any post problems with the surgery.

May God bless you in your decisions about reversals.
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: clarice415 July 31, 2006, 04:53:28 PM
I just wanted to say here that my husband had a reversal..probably when they were just starting to give them, as our oldest from it is now 22 (we had 7 from the reversal)...but because of the way that the original vasectomy was done, the surgery took about two-three hours.  I guess that would be something to find out-is if a portion (don't know the medical lingo) of the vas?? was removed. This was what had happened to my husband, so it took much longer.  He had a lot of pain for a couple of weeks..I always felt he suffered more for our dear children in this than I did in labor.  I think this was the case though because of the original surgery.  IT was worth it. 
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: ahsmom3x August 02, 2006, 11:18:45 AM
Wow! 7 Children after the Vasectomy. What a blessing!
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: Beth September 13, 2006, 04:50:08 AM
  Hi. I'm new here but I have some info you all might be able to use. My husband has just recently undergone a vas reversal. It has over 16 years since his vasectomy. Our chances of conceiving are slim. So I've done some research to try to increase our chances. My understanding is the main complication to a reversal is scarring which blocks the tubes again. Is this also true in a tubal ligation also?            Anyway this is the infor I've come up with.     (We are trying it , I know of no one else who has.)    We are usini emu oil to try to prevent excessive scarring. Now the reasons why I felt it might help are-  1 it has anti-inflammatory properties this would be useful after surgery.  2) It also has a penetrating and carrying property which means it goes more than just skin deep and is able to "carry" other ingredients with it. Such as vitamin E or herbs that you could add to it. So maybe this oil could help prevent the scarring that occurs after surgery. It is also supposed to soften old scars. Maybe that would help some of you who know that is what is preventing conception.   Some of the herbs that come to mind to add to the emu oil would be comfrey and slippery elm. Both have healing properties and would prevent scarring.        My husband had his surgery 8 days ago.  He was completely covered with one huge bruise about the color of an eggplant purplish black. It was not improving. Day 6 I finally talked him into letting me try emu oil on it. Within 24 hrs. it was showing great improvement. Now today 48 hrs. since I started the emu oil it is fading considerably.  He said it also helped with the pain and the swelling has gone down. ( anti-inflammatory) Now maybe this would have happened on its own. But we don't think so. The improvement started almost as soon as the emu oil was applied. (pain)     Sorry to go on so long I just know the feeling of wanting another child so I really want to help in any way I can. Even if we never conceive maybe someone elses chances could be improved in this way.    You can research it more at www.lbemuoil.com also the emu oil they sell already has vitamin E in it.   Hope this helps someone.
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: miff aka Missi September 13, 2006, 05:36:44 AM
 My understanding is the main complication to a reversal is scarring which blocks the tubes again. Is this also true in a tubal ligation also?
Yes, that is true for the tubal reversal.  I had my tubes tied when my only son was 2.  Had it reversed when he was amost 11.  Then had my baby girl when he was almost 13.  That's why my kids are so far apart.  I really thought (and hoped) we would have several more by now.  Turns out I get pregnant fairly easily, but can't seem to stay that way.

Anyway, I went to a doc in Chappel Hill, NC in 1997.  (Dr. Gary Berger)  Here in our home state they were $15,000, several days in the hospital, and not very successful.  Dr. Berger was about half the money, outpatient, and his success rate is really great.  He says he has better success because he does not stitch the inner layer of the tube.  That can cause the scarring.  He leaves the inner layer to heal on its own and reconnects the middle and outer layers.  The procedures used in the tubal ligation surgery makes a difference.  If the original surgery involved removing part of the tubes that is a BIG problem.  He and his staff are very nice.  I had a great experience with them.  And we have our daughter!  ;D

Missi
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: healthyinOhio September 13, 2006, 03:04:53 PM
Beth,

I know that the chances of you conceiving are slim, but you caught the scar tissue thing very early. Good for you finding something that works.  Like I said before, we found out about ours a little too late at six months after the surgery.  I am hoping that your hubby heals very quickly and that you will conceive again.  Please, let me know as soon as you do.  ;)
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: Lavender~Rosemary November 03, 2006, 10:24:52 AM
A friend told me she had heard of a doctor in Albuquerque who did reversals as a ministry. I have searched everywhere I can think of but can't find him.  Has anyone heard of a surgeon in Albuquerque who does this?
Thanks,
Stacy
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: carolinachic November 03, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
A friend told me she had heard of a doctor in Albuquerque who did reversals as a ministry. I have searched everywhere I can think of but can't find him.  Has anyone heard of a surgeon in Albuquerque who does this?
Thanks,
Stacy
I've been looking too...so if you find one let me know...my husband had the big "V" three years ago and has had serious side effects. He's now looking to get a reversal! Thanks...
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: Lavender~Rosemary November 03, 2006, 11:10:58 AM
I have been looking at blessedarrows.com for vasectomy reversal surgeons.    Dr. Stanton from Arkansas is fairly inexpensive as far as vas reversals go and he seems to have a lot of good feedback.
Also, Dr. David S. Wilson in Oklahoma is $1500 - has anyone heard anything about him?
His website is: http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm
Dr. Dennis Streeter in Indiana is $2000.  his site is [url]http://www.surgicalreversal.com/site/969796/page/45029/[url]
These are the least expensive that I have found.  I don't know much about their reputations or procedures as yet.
I'd be happy to hear what anyone else has heardabout these or other doctors.
Stacy
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: Lily-Vine November 09, 2006, 06:24:12 AM
I noticed that earlier this year someone was asking about doctors that do reversals.  I thought that I would share some of our journey, maybe it can help.  We have been fighting to regain lost ground for about three years.  We have had two vasreversal and were told that we could do nothing else but we refused to accept it.  Ask and keep on asking,  knock and keep on knocking as well as the story of Jacob wrestling for his blessing were things that came to our minds. It is so amazing to see how God has worked for us in this area, there is not enough room here to tell you all.  Recently my husband went to a local urologist just to see if he had any ideas.  I few days before his appointment I found a book at the library  by Dr. Sherman J. Silber.  My husband didnt tell the doctor about Dr. Silber but the urologist metioned two by name, one of them was Dr. Silber in St. Loius, Missouri.  Dr. Silber looks like he is the best in his field.  He developed the proceedure in the 1970`s and he does`nt mind working with difficult cases.  I hope someone can use this information. 
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: healthyinOhio November 09, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
  We have had two vasreversal and were told that we could do nothing else but we refused to accept it. 

Does this mean that you are going through with a third surgery?  Just curious as to why it is not working for your hubby.  Too much scar tissue?  Or was it too many years in between vas and reversal?  My hubby has had only one surgery and we were told there was too much scar tissue.  We don't plan on another surgery as we don't find it financially feasible nor responsible.  We are fixing up our house right now, so anyone who has ever done that knows how quickly your money disappears!!  ;)
Do you have a website or a link for this doctor you recommended?  Thanks and good luck to you and your future family.
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: MissusLeata November 09, 2006, 10:35:44 AM
The absolute best OB/GYN who does tubal ligation reversals is also in New Braunfels, TX.  His name is Dr. Skip Rath. (Uncle Skip to me ;D) I will highly recommand him to anyone!!!  He has done countless reversals for Christian women in Mexico as a ministry. (There, they tie your tubes when you deliver, and then tell you later....in the government hospitals...)

Does he go to Mexico to do them? I have a friend who basically had that happen to her. She thought they were doing something temporary and after the surgery asked to make sure that she could still have children. :-(

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: Beth in Idaho November 09, 2006, 10:48:49 AM
I have been looking at blessedarrows.com for vasectomy reversal surgeons.    Dr. Stanton from Arkansas is fairly inexpensive as far as vas reversals go and he seems to have a lot of good feedback.
Also, Dr. David S. Wilson in Oklahoma is $1500 - has anyone heard anything about him?
His website is: http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm
Dr. Dennis Streeter in Indiana is $2000.  his site is [url]http://www.surgicalreversal.com/site/969796/page/45029/[url]
These are the least expensive that I have found.  I don't know much about their reputations or procedures as yet.
I'd be happy to hear what anyone else has heardabout these or other doctors.
Stacy

We used Dr Stanton for my husbands first reversal...It came apart within 6 months...wonderful man just uses the old way of doing reversals...does not do microscopic...We went to Dr Marks in Arizona...and he was fabulous...my husband had wonderful counts..I just never got pg...Heartbreaking for  us and a long journey but a journey that brought us to our incredible daughter! Gods plan was so much better than ours!! He is always in the details! But..we were glad we did the reversals because my husband always felt better....Beth in Idaho
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: kimberlee November 09, 2006, 02:48:31 PM
In June, my husband went to a wonderful doctor in Texas named Dr. Leverett. He had his vasectomy over 15 yrs prior. We just found out a little over a week ago that we are expecting! My husband really liked him. Dr. Leverett prayed with him and talked to him throughout the surgery. I believe the surgery was $2,800.00.

Kim
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: Nickole November 09, 2006, 05:44:09 PM
My husband went to Dr. Stanton in Arkansas and he was WONDERFUL, and we got pregnant the next month!   ;D  Now have a 14 month old miracle baby! 
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: burlsgirl November 10, 2006, 05:17:12 AM
My DH used Dr. Stanton also, and I, too was pg the next month w/ 3rd dd. Just found out last night that #4 is on the way!!
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: Lily-Vine November 10, 2006, 06:38:39 AM
  We have had two vasreversal and were told that we could do nothing else but we refused to accept it. 

Does this mean that you are going through with a third surgery?  Just curious as to why it is not working for your hubby.  Too much scar tissue?  Or was it too many years in between vas and reversal?  My hubby has had only one surgery and we were told there was too much scar tissue.  We don't plan on another surgery as we don't find it financially feasible nor responsible.  We are fixing up our house right now, so anyone who has ever done that knows how quickly your money disappears!!  ;)
Do you have a website or a link for this doctor you recommended?  Thanks and good luck to you and your future family.

Thank you for your well wishes.  Yes we are planning on a third surgery.  There is more than one type of reversal that can done.  We have learned so much since we started.  As to why the other two have not worked we dont know.  It could be that it was to develop some more depth to us.  Some things can only be learned thru hard times. I think that if everything was easy then we wouldnt be very strong.  Makes me think about something in the book The Horse and His Boy by C.S. Lewis.   Aslan, himself chased them in order to bring out the very best that they could do. We have decided to continue to pursue this because we feel that what we are investing in will be around in 100 years and beyond.  This is our wrestle and we must not let go.  God bless.    The web site to Dr. Silber is:  http://www.infertile.com/treatmnt/treats/mvr/mvr.htm
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: healthyinOhio November 10, 2006, 07:34:36 AM
We have decided to continue to pursue this because we feel that what we are investing in will be around in 100 years and beyond.  This is our wrestle and we must not let go.  God bless.    The web site to Dr. Silber is:  http://www.infertile.com/treatmnt/treats/mvr/mvr.htm

Good for you!!  If you have the money for it, then I would do it, too.  Here is a link that is easier for others to navigate to on the Dr. Silber website.
http://www.infertile.com/treatmnt/treats/mvr/mvr.htm
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: healthyinOhio November 13, 2006, 03:45:55 PM
Lily-Vine,

Do you happen to know the cost for Dr. Silber's surgery?  I couldn't find anything on the site, so I emailed them.  They emailed me back saying that I should call them to discuss prices.  That is NOT a good sign!!  LOL!
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: Lily-Vine November 15, 2006, 03:58:37 PM
Hi,  I don`t  know if you have already talked to Dr. Silber`s office yet but I can share with you what they told me.  They broke it down in three different charges.  Each of the three is due at a slightly different time frame.  The numbers are not the exact numbers because I don`t have them right in front of me now.  The surgeon fee is about $8,000 and the hospital is $3,000 and the medicine is around $700.  They have been so helpful to us.  Even calling to see if we got the first packet of information in the mail.  At that time I told them that we had and had just returned them in the mail the day before. ha, ha.  We are so excited.  We are trusting God in all this.  ;D
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: mexmarr November 16, 2006, 05:53:08 AM
The absolute best OB/GYN who does tubal ligation reversals is also in New Braunfels, TX.  His name is Dr. Skip Rath. (Uncle Skip to me ;D) I will highly recommand him to anyone!!!  He has done countless reversals for Christian women in Mexico as a ministry. (There, they tie your tubes when you deliver, and then tell you later....in the government hospitals...)

Does he go to Mexico to do them? I have a friend who basically had that happen to her. She thought they were doing something temporary and after the surgery asked to make sure that she could still have children. :-(

He goes to Mexico each year with a group called, "Time for Christ."  They are a Medical Caravan.  I'm not sure if he does reversals then or not.  Most of the ones that I am aware of, the ladies came to him.    I really don't have many details of the specific  (though I do know several of the reversal children!)

You would need to contact him directly to find out more.  His name is Skip Rath.  (first name is actually Albert, not sure which name the phone book)  and he is on New Braunfels, TX.
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: healthyinOhio November 16, 2006, 07:35:14 AM
The surgeon fee is about $8,000 and the hospital is $3,000 and the medicine is around $700. 

This is outrageously high!!  :o  I do hope you will find it through your faith in the Lord.  No wonder they didn't want to discuss it through an email! LOL!  ;)
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: Charis November 16, 2006, 09:38:33 AM

I've been looking too...so if you find one let me know...my husband had the big "V" three years ago and has had serious side effects. He's now looking to get a reversal! Thanks...
What kind of side effects is your husband having?
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: Lavender~Rosemary January 19, 2007, 10:30:54 AM
Has anyone heard of Dr. David S. Wilson?  He performs vasecotomy reversals in Oklahoma?  His price is $1500.
http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm
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: Lavender~Rosemary January 19, 2007, 12:14:22 PM
I answered my own question, in part anyway.  I found these testimonies in blessed arrows:
http://www.blessedarrows.org/DrWilsontestimonies.htm
I'd stilll like to hear from any of you who know about him.
Stacy
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: healthyinOhio January 19, 2007, 01:33:30 PM
Has anyone heard of Dr. David S. Wilson?  He performs vasecotomy reversals in Oklahoma?  His price is $1500.
http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm


I found him TOO late!! LOL!!  He is the cheapest that I have found.  But he has only been doing them for a few months, now.  Don't know much else, though.  ;)
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: Lavender~Rosemary January 19, 2007, 02:18:22 PM
Does anyone else get a little nervous when it is so cheap?  I know many doctors do it as a ministry.  There is just such a huge difference between $8000 to $10,000 and then $1,500.
They have all had decent reviews.  So I don't know if there is anything to worry about. 
I definitely like that Dr. Wilson only does one a day. Dr. Marks in Arizona also does this (but he charges a lot more).
Thanks for your feedback.
Stacy
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: Nickole January 19, 2007, 02:22:34 PM
The guy I mentioned earlier in the thread in Arkansas was $1500 as well - his prices have gone up to $1700, not sure if they've gone up from there.  He does a few every week and they have lots of pics of reversal babies in the office!  The procedure he did  worked for us!  ;D  These men do it as a ministry to Christians, so that's why it is cheaper.  They make enough money doing other doctor things I am sure, in order to make a decent living.
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: healthyinOhio January 19, 2007, 03:00:34 PM
Yeah, I second Nickole's doc.  It worked for her and I have heard a lot of success stories through Dr. Stanton.
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: Beth in Idaho January 20, 2007, 03:44:25 PM
I am not sure how old everyones vas was that had babies using Dr Stanton but usually....they are not very old...the older the vas the more scar tissue....Dr Stanton was a wonderful man that is for sure...we loved our experience...although my husband was SO ill after the reversal...we flew many hrs home the next day and I really did not know if my husband would make it at times! The second time using microscopic...it was a piece of cake...and he recovered alot faster....My husband vas was over 10 yrs old...though so I would encourage anyone that had a very old vas to do the microscopic...of course there is no telling who will get pg...and who wont...after spending yrs on reversal boards...I have seen many babies born from those that do not use the microscopic method....and seen many who wished they would have saved a bit more and used microscopic....I do think the less time between the vas and the reversal.....increases the outcome of a baby....Such a tough decision I think to decide on which dr to use....I know others who used Dr Silber ...he is very expensive but considered one of the best....and they didnt get pg...so...there is no guarantees...Best of luck to all making this decision....even today we are glad we had the reversals..for us we really felt it was to be in obedience to the Lord ....and we felt good about doing it for that reason....Beth in Idaho



The guy I mentioned earlier in the thread in Arkansas was $1500 as well - his prices have gone up to $1700, not sure if they've gone up from there.  He does a few every week and they have lots of pics of reversal babies in the office!  The procedure he did  worked for us!  ;D  These men do it as a ministry to Christians, so that's why it is cheaper.  They make enough money doing other doctor things I am sure, in order to make a decent living.
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: FaithAcre January 20, 2007, 05:22:33 PM
We've been planning on a vas reversal for about 6 months now.  The DR we are planning on going through is Dr. Wilson.  We found out about him a few months ago and I dont remember that he had just started. I think he's been at it for at least a year now  ??? but his website isn't working, so I can't be sure. 

But anyway, we belong to Blessed Arrows too and have heard great testimonies about him.  Even though we live in WA state, we can still travel to OK and have the reversal for less $$ than to have it done here locally!! 
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: nogr8rjoyhj March 07, 2007, 02:35:22 AM
My husband received a vasectomy last year and we are questioning having it reversed.  Any input would greatly be appreciated.  We don't even know where to begin or who to contact.
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: countrygoose March 11, 2007, 10:55:33 AM
We used Dr. Leverett too.  My husband's surgery was a little over a year ago.  His counts last spring were very high...in the millions, but they were at 3% motility (most were dead).  We have been very "active" at the right timing ever since the surgery... and nothing.  I've come to the state of just accepting that it likely won't happen.  Perhaps this is God's will for us.  By the way, my husband's vasectamy was only three years old when he got the reversal. 
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: westernmama March 11, 2007, 12:48:12 PM
My oldest brother got a vasectomy ten years ago and then had a reversal last January.  Within about two months they were expecting!  We were all shocked, to say the least.  The baby is a beautiful little boy whom his daddy is mighty proud of!  I don't know who the doctor was.  I think it was somebody locally - they live in Indiana.  I could find out if anybody needs info for the central part of Indiana.
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: healthyinOhio March 11, 2007, 04:28:26 PM
We used Dr. Leverett too.

This is why I shared my testimony about Dr. Leverett; hoping that nobody would choose to use him.  I think he is terrible and he was very uncompassionate towards the failed reversal.  He is very old and I feel he needs to retire.  Just my personal opinion.   :-\
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: TrinaMama March 14, 2007, 01:20:50 PM
We used Dr. Leverett too.

This is why I shared my testimony about Dr. Leverett...

 he was very uncompassionate towards the failed reversal. 


We went to Dr. Leverett December 28th of this past year and the day of the surgery loved him.  Two weeks later, we were begining to wonder about him.  Now, two and a half months later we would NOT recomend that anybody see him ( :'( very sad since he was recomended to us and I would hate to tell his fans how disapointed we are).  My husband is STILL in constant pain to the point he is unable to sleep at night.  Dr L, has been contacted and just doesn't care.  He has also refused to send a signed documentation of the surgery for hubbys medical records. 

That said...I am looking for natural pain management for the above issue.  Hubby has seen 3 drs since the surgery and all say there is nothing wrong (although he now has knot like lumps in his testicles, shooting pain in his legs, pain at the surgical site, as well as a deeper pain that he believes to be his prostate).  He will not say much about it, but I believe the intensity is getting worse and he will not take pain meds (he is Army and has already had a drug test mistakenly turn up "hot").   This afternoon he collapsed from pain twice in about 20 minutes. HE WAS CRYING!  If anybody has some advice, please help me! 
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: healthyinOhio March 15, 2007, 03:12:54 AM
Your husband's condition sounds pretty serious to me.  I can't believe that no doctor has considered an infection at the site of surgery?  The shooting pain down the legs would warn me that that is what is happening.  Sounds like he had an epididymal blowout.

This is what I would suggest:

Cherry juice, fresh pineapple, and turmeric for pain and inflammation.
Aloe vera juice(with pulp is better) for inflammation and scar tissue build up.
You could apply a poultice to his "area" with either one or many of these:  aloe vera, comfrey, castor oil, calendula, turmeric. 

Have him take some extra vit C about 1,000 mg. every two hours for a few days(may experience some loose bowels with this) and have him drink some echinacea tea to boost his immune system. 

Also, instead of aspirin or Tylenol he could take some white willow capsules which is what my husband took after the surgery. 

Hope he can find some relief soon, and if not, I would seek another doctor's opinion. 
PS Look on his leg for a streak.  That is usually the sign of a dangerous infection.
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: Blessedmomof4 October 08, 2007, 12:08:10 PM

My husband had his revearsal done by Dr. Wilson last Oct. There were some minor compications, not the dr. fault though. My brother-in-law also used Dr. Wilson, last Dec.  their baby is due this month!
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: daisey October 08, 2007, 04:35:28 PM
  The second, the one my husband saw was Dr. Leverett, in New Braunsfell, Texas.  He was nice up until the surgery( you know, he got his money) and then when it  didn't go as planned, then he was very cold. 

What can I say?  That is who my dad saw!  All I know about him is that my dad was pleased, and now has six more children as a result.  Like I said, it was 17 years ago.

The absolute best OB/GYN who does tubal ligation reversals is also in New Braunfels, TX.  His name is Dr. Skip Rath. (Uncle Skip to me ;D) I will highly recommand him to anyone!!!  He has done countless reversals for Christian women in Mexico as a ministry. (There, they tie your tubes when you deliver, and then tell you later....in the government hospitals...)

How many years was it after the tubal ligation before the reversal? 
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: smithzonian October 08, 2007, 04:46:12 PM

My husband had his revearsal done by Dr. Wilson last Oct. There were some minor compications, not the dr. fault though. My brother-in-law also used Dr. Wilson, last Dec.  their baby is due this month!

My husband also had his VR with Dr Wilson last September.  Our baby in my profile pic is our reversal baby.  :)

We chose him over Dr  Marks because of his strong convictions.  Dr Wilson used to be a practicing surgeon.  Because of his strong convictions against abortion, he stopped taking many insurance companies which left his practice unviable.  He then learned how to do reversals from the surgeon who did his own reversal and now does just that at cost as a ministry/job.
After hearing that this was a God fearing man, he knew this was who he needed to go see.  And we live here in Tucson with Dr Marks. 
No, disrespect to Dr Marks, we just know that God led us to Dr Wilson. 

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: healthyinOhio November 02, 2007, 08:12:07 AM



Do you have contact info for him or was it back in this thread already? 

Here is Dr. Wilson's contact info:
http://www.microvasreversal.com/about%20Dr.%20Wilson.htm

We were planning on using him for a SECOND vasectomy reversal, but don't have the $$.
(Really wished we would have found him first)  :-\
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: Sombra November 02, 2007, 11:12:28 AM
Jumping into this conversation late here, so forgive me if this has been said before.

Did you know that there are anti-bodies that attach to the sperm after a long period of a vasectomy?  I believe the antibodies come from the man - and attach themselves to the sperm before the are ejaculated.. and with the anti-bodies, they can't go up the fallopian tubes. They can be SPUN off - meaning that you'll have to do an artificial insemination type thing (the sperm goes into a centrifuge - then is artificially inserted into the woman).  I have a friend who has 3 children this way, her husband was previously married and they had the reversal, but she never conceived naturally.

However, my hubby had a vas for 6 years - and it took me 7 months to get pregnant the first time. I have two live children post reversal, and 7 in heaven.

Sombra in Saskatchewan
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: smithzonian November 02, 2007, 12:00:28 PM
I may have said this before but my baby in my profile pic is a Dr. Wilson reversal baby. ;D

From what I know about the antibodies is this:

The sperm have nowhere to go when a vasectomy is done.  So, the little guys die and this material is "toxic" to the body-thus the antibodies develop.  So, the cure?  They need to escape via a reversal.  And with multiple flushings  ::) the antibodies reduce and go away.  However, because the body has these antibodies, they can still attack the sperm if there's a leak in the epididymous  (sp?) the sperm may leak out and the body will still respond with the antibodies. 

I'm sure I've messed up explaining it somehow, but that's how it was explained to me.

Ways to decrease the antibodies?

Ibuprofen and autoimmune medications.  There's a lot naturally as well they have you take like sellenium, zinc, C, Co-Q10, etc...

We conceived 2 months post reversal.

HTH in re: to antibodies.

 8)
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: smithzonian November 02, 2007, 12:05:04 PM
Here's the post from my Dr. Wilson chat group from someone who described better than I did about antibodies.


Antibodies form after the vasectomy, not after a VR. So there's not anything
one can do about that (except not get a vasectomy). Normally, sperm are in a
'closed' system that prevents blood borne infection from getting into the
testes. The sperm are produced and expelled without getting into the rest of
the body, bloodstream, etc. In a vasectomy, the sperm leak out of the cut
tubes. Because the body sees them as 'foreign', antibodies are developed
against them in 60 to 70% of those who have had a vasectomy. These cells can
attach themselves to the tails preventing movement or attach themselves to the
heads preventing fertilizing the egg. Even if a man has developed antibodies,
these often go away after a VR because the sperm are once again in a closed
system, or the antibodies may still be present in the bloodstream but not affect
the sperm. (Incidentally, a study at Northwestern U indicates some rare forms
of dementia are much more common in men who have had a vasectomy. A lot more
study is needed to confirm that there is a connection and why, but they
speculate that these sperm antibodies may also somehow cross the brain's
'closed' system. Fortunately, this form of denentia is very rare to start with.
Still, it makes one wonder about the wisdom of vasectomy to start with and how
it affects the rest of the body)
Anyway, there may be some others who know a lot more about antibodies. I know
you can have a blood test to see if there are anti-sperm antibodies present in
the bloodstream and there's a test (SSA I think?) that can actually check the
sperm, but I wouldn't worry about that unless you have really good counts but no
sperm

It's hard to know who will develop scarring and who will not. Some drs
recommend high doses of ibuprofen or other inflammatories - even prescribing
prednisone. Other infromation seems to indicate that antiinflammatories should
not be used during the initial weeks of healing but may be helpful later. I
have read on other boards of Dr Marks giving IV antiinflammatories during
surgery, prescribing them immediately (these are in cases of redos), and in some
cases still getting a zero count.
At any rate, you need to ask somebody who knows more than I do. It seems to me
we need a certain amount of swelling - that's our body's way of getting more
blood supply to an injured area to aid in healing. Dr Wilson in one
conversation seemed to indicate that 'scarring over' takes place a year or so
out, not immediately. From what others have written on message boards, that
seems accurate. While some men have good counts for years and years, others
counts go down after a year or two. So I'm not sure what the answer is.
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: healthyinOhio November 02, 2007, 12:08:52 PM


The sperm have nowhere to go when a vasectomy is done.  So, the little guys die and this material is "toxic" to the body-thus the antibodies develop. 

I have read and heard that the sperm to not die, but are absorbed into the body in places where sperm shouldn't go. So, yes, either way, it is toxic to the body.

It is interesting of what you said about scar tissue.  My husband scarred up right away.  Bummer.
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: cjanderin November 02, 2007, 12:31:46 PM


The sperm have nowhere to go when a vasectomy is done.  So, the little guys die and this material is "toxic" to the body-thus the antibodies develop. 

I have read and heard that the sperm to not die, but are absorbed into the body in places where sperm shouldn't go. So, yes, either way, it is toxic to the body.


If they are toxic, then what happens to sperm that end up in a woman's body?  Wouldn't it either be toxic to a woman too or it's not toxic for either ..??
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: healthyinOhio November 02, 2007, 12:53:07 PM


If they are toxic, then what happens to sperm that end up in a woman's body?  Wouldn't it either be toxic to a woman too or it's not toxic for either ..??

Sperm aren't toxic in themselves, but are toxic when absorbed in a man's own body, or in a place where they were not meant to be.  Does that make sense?
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: tonia December 09, 2007, 08:40:26 AM
I am new to this site.  I am looking for an affordable tubal reversal.  It seems that everyone wants close to $10,000 for this procedure.  Does anyone know where I could get it for a lot less than that.  Desperately looking. :(
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: Nickole December 09, 2007, 08:43:31 AM
Check out www.blessedarrows.com.   ;)  You can sign up for funding, but also check out the doctors list and their prices.  Much less than $10K and one on there offers a payment plan.  You can ask if others do - they may, but just may not advertise that.  We went to Dr. Stanton for the vas reversal. 
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: Mamacat December 09, 2007, 09:48:50 AM
Yea...I looked at that site...unfortunately, I don't know that my dh could be convincing enough to make them think that he thought his vas was a mistake.  He stands by his decision....  it looks like a pretty good program though.
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: IMPersuadd December 09, 2007, 04:53:41 PM
I am new to this site.  I am looking for an affordable tubal reversal.  It seems that everyone wants close to $10,000 for this procedure.  Does anyone know where I could get it for a lot less than that.  Desperately looking. :(

Don't know if they are listed on the website but check out the Jackson Clinic in Tennessee.  Used to be Dr. Curlin but I think he retired.  His assistant took over.  That is where I had my reversal and with hospital and travel and everything it was $4K.

hth,
Lori
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: healthyinOhio February 18, 2008, 06:09:21 AM
If you are looking to have a reversal done, or have already had one, please check out this site!  It has reviews from many doctors in the U.S.
If you had a reversal done, please, consider leaving a review from the doctor that you used.  You have know idea how much reviews help those who are considering a reversal.
http://fertilityformen.com/drdirectory.php
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: burlsgirl February 18, 2008, 08:01:26 AM
If you are looking to have a reversal done, or have already had one, please check out this site!  It has reviews from many doctors in the U.S.
If you had a reversal done, please, consider leaving a review from the doctor that you used.  You have know idea how much reviews help those who are considering a reversal.
http://fertilityformen.com/drdirectory.php

Thanks, HIO!

I just went & left a review for our reversal doctor. He was wonderful & I'm glad to encourage others to use him.

Blessings,
Em
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: healthyinOhio February 18, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
Just an update on the review link I posted:  if you write a review for the doctor you used, they send you a $20 gift certificate!!  They don't have much, but they offer an herbal fertility supplement for men, and a home semen analysis thing.  May be beneficial to take the time and write a review! ;)
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: abbilynn March 19, 2008, 04:10:49 AM
Anyone have success with tubal reversal??  Or any problems from it?  I got my tubes tied in Dec. '04 and I've been having problems with ovarian cysts and stuff.  So hubby and I are thinking about getting my tubes put back together.  The doc said with any tubal reversal there is a higher risk of ectopic pregnancy and/or ovarian cancer.  But to me it seems there are bad things people say about leaving them tied. 

abbilynn
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: IMPersuadd March 19, 2008, 05:16:30 AM
abbilynn,

I am sure my story is somewhere in this thread but the short answer to your question is that my reversal was successful.  Tubal at 23, reversal at 34, three babies since with one ectopic miscarriage between baby 1 and 2.  No complications.  I did have ovarian cysts and perimenopause symptoms during those 11 years but all seems to be back to normal now.
hth
Lori
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: abbilynn March 19, 2008, 06:14:31 AM
abbilynn,

I am sure my story is somewhere in this thread but the short answer to your question is that my reversal was successful.  Tubal at 23, reversal at 34, three babies since with one ectopic miscarriage between baby 1 and 2.  No complications.  I did have ovarian cysts and perimenopause symptoms during those 11 years but all seems to be back to normal now.
hth
Lori

The whole ectopic thing really scares me.  I know I am at risk bc my tubes are already tied, but I guess the risk increases even more when you put them back together.  Did you know right away it was an ectopic pregnancy?  How did they fix it? 
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: IMPersuadd March 19, 2008, 09:41:54 AM
Abbilynn,

I didn't know I was pg - still nursing boy 1 about half time - my cycles had returned and he was about 15 months old.  Anyways, I had a period that just wouldn't stop - kept spotting - particularly after nursing.  three weeks into this I had a horrible pain in the ovary/tube area and hubby and I decided a trip to doc was in order - something was up.  still did not suspect being pg.  The first thing the doc did was a pg test which was positive but based upon the internal exam she said it didn't look good.  Sent me to hospital for ultrasound and they could find nothing.  Based upon tests (hcg) and symptoms we (doc and I) determined that it was an ectopic that basically took care of itself - thank God.  My tube didn't rupture and I had no side effects once bleeding stopped.

I know this is going to sound callous but I really didn't grieve.  I found out I was pg at the same time I lost it so there was no attachment and with boy 1 still nursing and having health problems it was almost a relief to not think about being pg again so soon.  I always figured God knew what we could handle.  and I was very thankful that it resolved naturally rather than having to make a decision to chemically abort.

Personally I wouldn't change a thing and wouldn't let the worry of an ectopic (small percentage) stop me from having a reversal if that is what my hubby and God wanted.  My understanding is that the risk of an ectopic depends largely upon the amount of scar tissue in the tube and how much opening is maintained.  The doctor may be able to explain this.  Depending upon your medical/financial/insurance situation I would highly recommend the Jackson clinic in TN.  http://www.jacksonclinic.com/tubal_reversals/

Dr. Curlin did mine and he was great.  He has retired but I am going to assume that Dr. Rogers whom he trained is good also.


hth
Lori
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: abbilynn March 19, 2008, 10:09:59 AM
IMPersuadd - wow, that's incredible that your body took care of it and you didn't have to have anything done!  Praise the Lord for that!  I read on Dr. Silber's website that the risk of ectopic pregnancy for the general population is 2-3%, but for a woman who has had a tubal OR tubal reversal the risk increases to 10%.  So it looks like I wouldn't be at a greater risk than I already am.  I go for an ultrasound next week to see if my cyst is still there, but the doc said it's also possible that my tube has filled with fluid at the place where it's clamped shut.  If that has happened, the entire tube will have to be removed, but he could still cut the clip off the other tube and reattach it.  If it's just a cyst, he said he can remove it, then cut the clips off both my tubes and reattach them.  No guarantees of course though.  Definitely something I want to pray about.  Thanks so much for sharing your story!

abbilynn
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: snickerdoodle March 19, 2008, 10:44:48 AM
http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm

This is the web address to the doctor that did our vasectomy reversal.  We had it done in May of 06.  We had our first reversal baby in December of 07. 

Dr. Wilson was professional, courteous, and economical... not to mention only about 45 miles from my parents house.  He's also a Christian.  I highly recommend him.     
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: abbilynn March 20, 2008, 04:30:01 AM
Anyone else have any tubal reversals stories??  Good or bad?
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: abbilynn April 08, 2008, 09:21:54 AM
My doc is sending me to see Dr. William Gentry.  He's in Carmel, IN.  Anyone heard of him?  I've read good reviews about him online.  My doc says he's great and really likes him also.  He's been doing reversals and stuff for 35 years now. 

abbilynn
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: miff aka Missi April 08, 2008, 11:33:27 AM
The whole ectopic thing really scares me.  I know I am at risk bc my tubes are already tied, but I guess the risk increases even more when you put them back together. 
I was told that there is a way to reverse the tubal so that there is more of a chance in getting pregnant and less of a chance of tubal pregnancy.  I had a tubal reversal in 1997 after having mine tied for almost 9 years.  I went to Dr. Gary Berger in Chapel Hill, NC.  At that point he had been doing reversals for about 20 years.  His success rate is really high.  He explains that the tube has 3 layers to it.  He repairs the middle and outer layers, but leaves the inner layer to repair itself.  He said the stitching of that inner layer would result in too much scar tissue and leaving it is much better.  My understanding of the risk of tubal pregnancy after the reversal is the build up of that scarring and then blocking the tube, letting the sp*rm through but not the egg or embryo.  That might be something to check into with the new doctor you are going to see.

Hope everything works out for you.

Missi
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: winyahmama May 19, 2008, 06:46:46 PM
Just wanted to add one more plug for vas reversal and also Dr. Wilson.  It's amazing to me, how many other women who share of their "reversal stories" sound exactly like my story!   I had researched (to death) vas reversals and so when my dh finally gave me a Mother's Day card with his decision to have a reversal in it, I had everything all bookmarked online.  We immediately narrowed our choice down to Dr. Wilson, because of the price and phoned him.  The phone conversation with him confirmed it for us, as we were both extremely impressed with his answers to our questions, his professionalism, and his obvious faith in our Lord Jesus.  We decided to drive down to OK from MI (with our three children, sounds crazy, I know).  What a trip!  The whole thing was a major blessing!  Dr.  Wilson was wonderful, even letting me come in from time to time during the procedure.  His office was very small, and he works all by himself, but it was very professional and seemed well-equipped and comfortable.  The trip home was a little uncomfortable for my dh, but insisted on driving all the way home (probably for the bragging rights)!  We conceived in the first three months, but lost the baby shortly after.  Now, 11 months later we have just conceived again and are praying for God's will for this pregnancy, whatever happens! 
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: CAndy May 26, 2008, 11:49:56 AM
My husband had a reversal one and a half years ago.  Dr. Stanton did the reversal, and he was wonderful.  We did the research, but it was 2 years before we had the money for the surgery.  I don't know who was more amazing, my husband or Dr Stanton.  No my husband was.  We fixed the van loaded 3 kids in it and drove from Kentucky to Arkansas.  Before we got through Tennessee, at night of course, the alternator broke down, and I believe and Angel sent us to a shop that was still open at 11 PM.  They charged up our battery for FREE, then bought us all a hot cocoa!  We made it into Arkansas and at 8:00 AM the battery gave out.  My wonderful husband PUSHED the van a half mile to the next exit and half way up the ramp, then I got out to help and had my oldest son steer.  I was praying that the Lord would help because I didn't know how much longer we could do it and just then 3 men started pushing the van!  God is good.  They happend to be road side service.  We bought another battery and made it to the appointment 20 minutes late.  Dr Stanton saw us anyways, the surgery took a lot less time than the vasectomy then afterwards gave US $200.  We went to an auto parts store and my husband changed the alternator, then we drove home.  It had been 8 years since the vasectomy and we have had one pregnancy that has ended quickly in a miscarriage.  I'll see him/her again someday.   We are still hoping and praying for more children.  We had so many side affects with the vasectomy that he was a little leery of having another surgery, but he has had no pain after the first 2 days of being sore.  I am really hoping I am not as old as Sarah when the Lord gave her her baby.  My youngest is 9 now.  I know he will make me able for whatever he gives and I will be sooo grateful!
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: 1ofeach May 27, 2008, 03:45:58 AM
My husband had a reversal one and a half years ago.  Dr. Stanton did the reversal, and he was wonderful.  We did the research, but it was 2 years before we had the money for the surgery.  I don't know who was more amazing, my husband or Dr Stanton.  No my husband was.  We fixed the van loaded 3 kids in it and drove from Kentucky to Arkansas.  Before we got through Tennessee, at night of course, the alternator broke down, and I believe and Angel sent us to a shop that was still open at 11 PM.  They charged up our battery for FREE, then bought us all a hot cocoa!  We made it into Arkansas and at 8:00 AM the battery gave out.  My wonderful husband PUSHED the van a half mile to the next exit and half way up the ramp, then I got out to help and had my oldest son steer.  I was praying that the Lord would help because I didn't know how much longer we could do it and just then 3 men started pushing the van!  God is good.  They happend to be road side service.  We bought another battery and made it to the appointment 20 minutes late.  Dr Stanton saw us anyways, the surgery took a lot less time than the vasectomy then afterwards gave US $200.  We went to an auto parts store and my husband changed the alternator, then we drove home.  It had been 8 years since the vasectomy and we have had one pregnancy that has ended quickly in a miscarriage.  I'll see him/her again someday.   We are still hoping and praying for more children.  We had so many side affects with the vasectomy that he was a little leery of having another surgery, but he has had no pain after the first 2 days of being sore.  I am really hoping I am not as old as Sarah when the Lord gave her her baby.  My youngest is 9 now.  I know he will make me able for whatever he gives and I will be sooo grateful!

Thank you for sharing this story. I need to read ALL the posts here. What a blessing and an encouragement. (((Candy)))

: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: momxjo June 19, 2008, 02:10:58 PM
My dh just had a vas. reversal with Dr. Wilson in OK.  We loved him- so professional and a strong Christian.  He doesn't talk much, but when he does, he talks fast (goes over same info. day in and day out).  Anyway, we are two days after the VR, and dh is sleeping and still tired.  His swelling has gone down and there is bruising.
During the VR, dr. Wilson saw sperm heads only in the right vas, and sperm heads and partial tales in the left.  Dr. gave us an 89% patency for return of sperm.  Anyone had similar results and went on to conceive?
I am excited and hopeful.  It has been 7 long yrs. since the original V, and I am 37 and dh is 41. 
I am currently doing FAM, and discover I am not ovulating (boo hoo) but have stressful events looming on horizon.  I started taking vitex and rrtea today (I know, different post!  ::))
Anyway, anyone considering a very affordable VR would be pleased with Dr. Wilson.   Pray for us that we will conceive soon!
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: happy2Bhome June 25, 2008, 04:02:46 PM
Healthy in Ohio...I read your post (below).  I know it's been a long time ago, but I am wondering if your husband experienced some kind of scar tissue problem.  We used the AK doctor (Dr. Bledsoe) and LOVED him.  He said the procedure went beautifully and we should be pregnant in no time.  Well, that was about 3-4 years ago.  I try not to think about it anymore (getting pregnant).  Anyway, your post and the others made me think about my husband complaining (or moaning or something  ;)) after his surgery about feeling a knot where his procedure was done.  I assumed it was part of the healing process.  Was that scar tissue forming?  And, does that basically cause the reversal to not work? ???

Beth,

I know that the chances of you conceiving are slim, but you caught the scar tissue thing very early. Good for you finding something that works.  Like I said before, we found out about ours a little too late at six months after the surgery.  I am hoping that your hubby heals very quickly and that you will conceive again.  Please, let me know as soon as you do.  ;)
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: healthyinOhio June 26, 2008, 03:34:39 AM
Was that scar tissue forming?  And, does that basically cause the reversal to not work? ???


happy2Bhome,

I know how you feel!  It is very frustrating to be told you have really good odds of pregnancy and then, nothing! 
I do believe the "knot" that my husband feels is scar tissue.  He has told me that he believes that it is getting smaller, as all scar tissue does heal after some time.  But without being able to look at it myself, I cannot tell if it is small enough to let sperm through.
My husband goes back and forth with the thought of another reversal.  We were given a 25% chance of conception, this time.  Which is weird, because we were given a 95% chance before, and it didn't work. 
But I have this weird feeling that it will work 10 years after the surgery, when I am like 37 and my kids are just about out of the house!  Wouldn't that be likely! lol ;D
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: happy2Bhome June 26, 2008, 04:07:10 AM
happy2Bhome,

I know how you feel!  It is very frustrating to be told you have really good odds of pregnancy and then, nothing! 
I do believe the "knot" that my husband feels is scar tissue.  He has told me that he believes that it is getting smaller, as all scar tissue does heal after some time.  But without being able to look at it myself, I cannot tell if it is small enough to let sperm through.
My husband goes back and forth with the thought of another reversal.  We were given a 25% chance of conception, this time.  Which is weird, because we were given a 95% chance before, and it didn't work. 
But I have this weird feeling that it will work 10 years after the surgery, when I am like 37 and my kids are just about out of the house!  Wouldn't that be likely! lol ;D

Has your husband had 2 reversals?  My husband's "knot" did get smaller.  I have not asked him about it lately.  We've pretty much given up hope.  I often wonder if my kids will be out of the house (married) and I'll end up pregnant alongside a daughter-in-law!!   :D :o ;D
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: healthyinOhio June 26, 2008, 07:08:17 AM


Has your husband had 2 reversals?


Nope, not yet.  ;)  If he does, we are planning on using Dr. Stanton in Arkansas.
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: happy2Bhome June 26, 2008, 02:16:34 PM
I had not heard of Dr. Stanton, but we did like Dr. Bledsoe.  I don't think it's his fault we've not conceived.  Speaking of Dr. Bledsoe, my dh and I had a pretty funny discussion before my husband's surgery.  He was pretty skeptical and very nervous.  I had just found the information about this doctor.  Our conversation went something like this:

DH:  So, what's this doctor's name?
Me:  Dr. Bledsoe.
DH:  As in 'the man bled so much after his reversal he died?' 
Me:  Yea, maybe so.  It's his part-time ministry, though.  I doubt he's out to kill you.
DH:  So, what's his full-time job?
Me:  He's an auto mechanic.   :D :D :D :D :D

(He's really a surgeon, but I couldn't resist!)
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: burlsgirl June 27, 2008, 02:14:04 AM


Has your husband had 2 reversals?


Nope, not yet.  ;)  If he does, we are planning on using Dr. Stanton in Arkansas.


LOVE, love, love Dr. Stanton!
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: abbilynn August 29, 2008, 04:19:17 PM
I had my tubal reversal today.   ;D  I'm extremely sore and tired, but happy it's over with.  The doctor was only able to connect one of my tubes, the other one had too much dead tissue and scar tissue.  He removed the tissue and sent it in for a biopsy, but he thinks it's endometriosis as we suspected, and that's what was causing my pain.  I know have a 50% chance to be able to conceive, which is more than when they were both clipped!   :D  I feel sad about my other tube, but it's okay.  God has a plan.  The doc said other than the dead tube and the scar tissue, I look really healthy in there and I'm ovulating great.  I will be happy when I am back to feeling better and no more pain!

abbilynn
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: healthyinOhio August 30, 2008, 03:51:55 AM
Wow, abbilynn!!  Good luck and will pray, tonight for a speedy recovery(drink lots and lots of aloe vera juice  ;) )
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: abbilynn August 30, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
Wow, abbilynn!!  Good luck and will pray, tonight for a speedy recovery(drink lots and lots of aloe vera juice  ;) )

Thanks!  I need to remember that about the aloe juice.  I have two incisions, the bottom one is about 4 inches long.  :'(  Plus it's sore on the inside from cutting up my tubes and cutting out the endometriosis tissue.  So far I've put a comfrey poultice on the area twice.  And I keep putting comfrey salve on it too.  I'm hoping that will help heal the inside quicker and lessen the scar tissue that develops around the tube they reconnected.  Any other good ideas for a speedy recovery?  :)

abbilynn
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: servantgirl August 30, 2008, 06:38:53 PM
Abbi,
So glad to hear it went well, and that you're feeling OK.  :-*
I suggest you take homeopathic Arnica. I found mine at the HFS, and took it after sugery myself. I think it made a big difference in speeding my recovery, and it's supposed to help prevent scar tissue. It also comes in creams that you can put on the incisions.
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: Lavender~Rosemary September 26, 2008, 06:37:44 PM
Hello everyone,

I am sitting here so excited because after 2 1/2 years of hoping and praying, my husband has decided to have a vasectomy reversal.  I can't believe it!  I thought it would never happen :)

As you can imagine, I really want this to work!  Does anyone have any tips to aid in his recovery.  I saw that emu oil was recommended earlier in thread. I can't find anything else.

He is a healthy guy, 31 years old.  It has been 3 1/2 years since his vasectomy.  We are thinking about going with Dr. Wilson and want to do this as soon as possible.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Stacy




 
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: yasmine September 26, 2008, 07:37:09 PM
hi everyone getteing reversals... its funny, we have 5 children 15 months to 10 years old, and husband and I keep saying to each other, "what are we going to do to stop having children," I do not want a tubal, he doesnt wanrt a vasectemy.....  what else is there? right?
 and here ,  I pop on by  to see whats up on well tell me,  and I read about some of you ladies getting reversals as well and some of the hubbys and I wonder what to do... :-\

hmmmmm. anyone want to yell at me , or mabey rebuke me or give any words of warning or,,,just tell me to shut up! ;) hahaha ...
i worry about getting preg again since hubby likes to stay with 5 kiddoes and sometimes I think that I should get a tubal and then get a reversal in the future if we want more.... ???
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: Pennie September 27, 2008, 02:23:55 AM
hi everyone getteing reversals... its funny, we have 5 children 15 months to 10 years old, and husband and I keep saying to each other, "what are we going to do to stop having children," I do not want a tubal, he doesnt wanrt a vasectemy.....  what else is there? right?
 and here ,  I pop on by  to see whats up on well tell me,  and I read about some of you ladies getting reversals as well and some of the hubbys and I wonder what to do... :-\

hmmmmm. anyone want to yell at me , or mabey rebuke me or give any words of warning or,,,just tell me to shut up! ;) hahaha ...
i worry about getting preg again since hubby likes to stay with 5 kiddoes and sometimes I think that I should get a tubal and then get a reversal in the future if we want more.... ???

Personally, I think that is such a personal decision that you should just read and then make your decision w/o any telling you what to do or rebuking you in any way either way about it.  You and your husband should just decide together.  I do think that a V is less difficult for a man than a tubal for a lady.  That is what I have determined from reading etc.  Also, you might check out the ovulady thread and see if that might be an option.  I think that is what it's called.  If not maybe someone can correct me.
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: Beth September 27, 2008, 02:32:20 AM
Reversals are expensive and as you can see by reading just a few posts prior, they don't always work! I haven't talked on this thread in a long time, but ours did not work. We used the same Doctor that HIO's husband used.(I can't remember his name right now ,I don't think I could recommend him anyway). We had a long shot anyway, it had been over 10 years and I was in my late 30's...well we're okay with it now. But I would definately try and find a non-permenant form of birth-control. There are some really long threads on birth control here you could read. I haven't read them for obvious reasons. (don't have that problem to worry about) But again IMO you should not do surgery!
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: yasmine September 27, 2008, 03:02:58 AM
i appreciate your input.!I really do ...Its so up in the air. I have read up on on all the side effects and we both know the risks.wihich is why we have not gone through with anything permanant.
: Re: Reversals: Vasectomy and Tubal Ligation
: FaithAcre December 26, 2008, 11:33:22 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but wanted to chime in and let you all know about Dr. Wilson in OK.  If he was previously mentioned, I apologize!  But anyway, he also does vas-reversals as a ministry.  Our fee to him was 1500.00 and we bought plane tickets from Washington as well as hotel & rental car.  The whole deal was around 3000.00. 

It's been 18 months since dh's reversal and we are still anxiously awaiting pregnancy.  It's been very hard, as I was hoping to get pg right away.  It had been 4 years from the vasectomy to the reversal. 

I am encouraged by all the stories of couples who had big gaps from the reversal to actual pregancy...I'm 30, but hoping to be blessed with many more children over the next 15 or so years that I will be fertile. 

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: momxjo January 01, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
Hi Tara,
We used Dr. Wilson for our VR on June 17, 2008.  We had an SA to check sperm # and motility and it came back pretty good- 50 million with 26% motillity.  Did your husband ever do an SA and what were the results?

I hope you do get pregnant soon.  We are on to cycle #8 and hoping for a new baby in 2009.

Take care and best wishes
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: snickerdoodle January 01, 2009, 04:23:54 PM
Hey FaithAcre!

We used Dr. Wilson for my dh's vas rev too.  It had been 6 years since my dh's vasectomy, we were pg about 5 months after his reversal, miscarried, pg again 3 months later with a healthy baby girl that was born 12/30/07.  Our next baby is due August 16, 2009!

Be sure to be eating a good healthy diet now.  It will help you get pregnant and  help you feel good during the pregnancy too!

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: TXMom February 16, 2009, 05:44:26 PM
I wanted to share that we had a VR on Dec. 29, 2008 with [http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm]Dr. Wilson[/url].  He was very thorough, professional and such a strong Christian man. He prayed with us before the surgery and has everything worked out down to a map to the pharmacy on the back of his prescription slips!  We were so pleased with him.

I am so excited to share that we are pregnant!  I am 5wks along today and we had the surgery 7wks ago.  I am 36yrs old (Hubby too) and it has been six years since our vasectomy. 

PTL for Dr. Wilson and for Well Tell Me.  This is where I learned about Dr. Wilson http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm (http://www.microvasreversal.com/index.htm).  WE had been told years ago that my husbands V could not be reversed because he was cauterized.  We had accepted this and wanted to adopt anyway.  Last May (2008) we brought home our two children Andrew (5) and Kathlena (3) from Russia after almost 2yrs of adoption process.  Now they will have a baby brother or sister and they are both so excited along with their older brother and sister.  Wow! PTL is all I keep saying. 

Thank you for sharing your stories and recommendations!!!

Overwhelmed by God's Grace,
Gina
Blessed Mom to Emily (14), J.Michael (10), {Andrew (6), Kathlena (3) adopted from Arkhangelsk, Russia May 2008} reversal baby on the way.

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: hgreening June 08, 2010, 03:34:19 AM
Hi Everyone,

I'm happy, after 18 months, to add my news to this discussion. We used Dr. Wilson for my husbands reversal in October of '08. After a year of trying and no pregnancy we sought the help of a fertility specialist. She found that although dh's sperm was great, he had antibodies which attach themselves to the sperm and slow them down or destroy them. 70% of reversal men have these. It doesn't mean you can't get pregnant, it just means it can take a LONG time.

We opted to try IUI's where they clean the sperm first and then insert it directly into the uterus when you're ovulating. We are now pregnant after our second IUI!!!!!

I'm 5 weeks. Please pray for a healthy 9 months!

Heidi ;D