WellTellMe

Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => : ForeverGirl March 13, 2006, 12:02:35 PM

: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 13, 2006, 12:02:35 PM
Hello... I'm testing out the site for BeeyoutifulMan... ;D :D ;)

I am also on the fourth day of the Master Cleanse program, also known as; The Lemonaide Fast.

It's going great so far, and eventually I want to post my daily experience, recipes, and thoughts about the whole shebang.
A series of gallbladder attacks provoked me to research and start this cleanse. I've included other cleanses to the regimen; the Royal Flush (liver cleanse), Yeast/Parasite Cleanse, Colon Cleanse, Gallbladder Cleanse, and an occasional facial... but that doesn't exactly fit, does it? I wanted to get it all done at once. It hasn't been too bad, and I'm looking forward to the results... more later...

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: grambee March 14, 2006, 09:42:43 AM
Greetings, BeeyoutifulGirl!  "Facial" intrigued me, actually.  Let us know if your skin changes with the cleansing: oily to dry or vice versa.  A cosmetician told me that oily skin is really a reaction to super dryness--how, I don't know.  But skin tells a lot about health.  Watch your nails,too, and let us know.  Thanks, Grambee
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 14, 2006, 11:41:04 AM
 :D Hello Grambee!
The facial is actually a bentonite clay with neem oil in it. My face is beginning to clear up now.

This is the 5 day of being on the Master Cleanse. Some other gals are going to join us here soon, so I want to post some links to the Master Cleanse information. The particular regimen that I am following is at this link:
http://curezone.com/cleanse/bowel/master_cleanse.asp

The Master Cleanse, also known as The Lemonaide Cleanse, comes from this source:
 http://www.therawfoodsite.com/mastercleanse.htm

I'm also doing a few flushes in conjunction with the cleanse:
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/enema/

Don't let the photos gross you out. Curezone is a great site, with thousands of pages of information, but it is very hard to navigate and find what you are looking for, and there are some real strange folks that hang out on the forums.

This cleanse is interesting so far, in that I have 100% of my stamina. I have some detox syptoms like, yucky mouth, being cold, or, after a flush, having a slight temperature. I had a headache the second day, and bad skin the 2nd and 3rd day. Sore throat in the mornings. It's good to know all this stuff is leaving me though, and soon I will be healthy!

Good luck all ye Cleansers.... :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 21, 2006, 12:17:01 PM
Hi PhatKat!
I know who you are... ;D

Hurrah! My cleanse is over! It went fabulous and I had way more results than I expected. I'm working on writing up the entire experience, which will be an obnoxiously long post!

I finished the 10 days up with the Liver Flush recommended by Dr. Clark, and got rid of 1 1/2 cups of stones from my liver and gallbladder! I could feel them leaving my liver - it was so strange! They looked (and felt :o) like hard little grapenuts, and I was totally amazed at the amount.

I read that the liver produces more than a quart of bile every day, and is full of binary ducts/tubes that can become clogged with stones. The first stones I eliminated were black bilirubin stones. From what I've read on bilirubin, these were probably formed when I had repeated bouts of Malaria, 10 years ago. These stones may have been the cause of the "clog", I really don't know.

I feel so good now! I feel "empty". I lost 15 pounds in all, but gained 5 back, once my system was full of food and liquids again.

I want to do this cleanse again in six months or so, to make sure I'm totally cleaned out.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamasboys March 21, 2006, 03:20:51 PM
I'm not doing the master cleanse, but I am on day 4 of a juice fast.  I did a kidney flush yesterday and tonight is my liver flush.  I look forward to seeing if I get any stones. 
Beeyoutifulgirl: How long did it take once you drank the stuff to when you passed the stones?  I did a similar fast 2 years ago but never passed any stones so it left me wondering if I did it correctly.  ???
I've heard a lot about the Master cleanse and was wondering how it was different from a juice or water fast.
Congrats on finishing your cleanse and I look forward to finishing mine!  I can't wait to have a nice, crunchy salad!  Of course a handful of pretzels and peanut butter sound pretty heavenly as well  :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: texnmom2 March 21, 2006, 06:01:34 PM
Beeyoutiful : Just wondering which liver flush did you do and how soon did you do the flush after the Master Cleanse?
 :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 21, 2006, 07:45:21 PM
I posted some links in a previous post on this same thread - above - that lead to curezone.com and some detailed instructions on cleanses.
 
Briefly, the cleanse I did was:
10 days of lemonade made with fresh squeezed lemons and grade B maple syrup (high in minerals) and water. This is taken with cayenne pepper, to stimulate circulation.

Every other day I did a different flush:
Liver Flush  = coffee enema  (did this twice during the fast)
Yeast/Parasite Flush = Yeast Assassin enema followed by probiotic enema
Vinegar Flush/enema followed by Probiotic enema (colon cleanse)
Salt Flush = sea salt enema (colon cleanse)

I also took Spirulina tabs, which helped to keep me feeling strong and also helped to cleanse and detox me. I felt that my detox symptoms were minimized by the Spirulina.

The 10th day I began the Liver/Gallbladder Flush which consisted of:
Drink 3/4 cup of fresh squeezed grapefruit juice with 1 tablespoon of Epsom salt at
5PM and again at 7PM

At 9PM I drank 3/4 cup of grapefruit juice mixed with 1/2 cup of olive oil and went straight to bed.

Began to pass stones around 5AM

At 6AM I drank 3/4 cup of grapefruit juice with 1 tablespoon of Epsom salt, and then again at
8AM.

I continued to pass stones all day long.

The Epsom salt (Magnesium Sulfate) paralyzes, or relaxes, the valves in the binary tubes of your liver, causing them to lay open and pass stones freely. I could feel the stones being gushed out of my liver within 20 minutes of drinking the oil and grapefruit juice.

My husband did the exact same cleanse after 7 days of lemonade fasting, and didn't pass a single stone! I believe he just didn't have any stones.

My tastes and cravings have totally changed, and I find that I'm totally disinterested in fatty foods now.

I'd never heard of the Master Cleanse until I had these gallbladder attacks and had to start researching for remedies. It certainly worked for me!


: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara March 30, 2006, 07:23:01 AM
Has anyone read about cleansing while nursing? I am a Nutrutionist, so I know I can eat foods with cleansing qualities, but what about fasts and herbs? I don't want to be dumping toxins into my baby's milk.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt March 30, 2006, 09:26:55 AM
I've looked into this a bit, after reading everyone's postings on this "Master Cleanse".  It seems "too good to be true".  It also sounds really gross, but the point...everything I know about salt, and salt water tells me, that drinking a quart of seasalt water every day, would not be healthy.  It would cause dehydration, for one, and could affect your blood pressure, as well as water retention.  I've had a case of water retention so bad, that I couldn't walk, because the skin on my feet was stretched so tight it hurt.  This particular incindent occured as a result of use of pain killers immediately following my 3rd C-section.  I can't imagine ever doing anything to my body to intentionally cause this problem to occur again.  Does anyone have any sources to disprove these "theories" of mine? 

I'm still not sure, I could do this diet/cleanse, even if it is healthy.  I hate lemonade (and with cayenne pepper in it - GROSS GROSS - and maple syrup - ohhhh, you're killing me - GROSS.  Maybe someone might even offer an alternative "cocktail" to replace the lemonade?  ::) 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara March 30, 2006, 12:23:47 PM
Ever been to a fancy restaurant and been served a lemon slice on your glass of water? A squeeze of lemon in your water (with or Without sweetner- I prefer without) is a great very gentle cleanse which is good anytime, but especially in the morning. It is an astringent for the digestive tract (and helps clean out white flour those times we splurge on it), and helps the liver to cleanse. Lemons are a food, so they are safe when pregnant, nursing, or anytime. A lot of salads help cleanse too. You can look online for the liver cleanse diet, and while I'm not sure about cleansing herbs during pregnancy, foods are okay. One thing about the liver cleanse diet- I am always WAY too hungry and hypoglycemic during preg. and nursing to go without meat. But it's good to cut dairy out for awhile, and lots of fresh fruits and veggies go a long way too... You can try a green drink too... I need to plan a food cleanse diet for myself, but haven't gotten around to it yet  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamasboys March 30, 2006, 04:50:06 PM
Dara - I've been told by my midwives as well as my friend who runs the local Wellness Center that I've done my juice fasts through that you are not to fast while pregnant or nursing.  The amount of detox that your body goes through is pretty steep but I'm sure just altering your diet to include whole foods that have cleansing properties would be fine.  As long as your body doesn't stop digesting and therefore putting all that energy into dumping the toxins, I think it would be fine. 
As far as using herbs go, I'm clueless  :-\  It's something I would definitely like to know more about.  I know there are certain herbs to avoid during pregnancy, but I don't know if you need to avoid some while nursing.  I know some herbs certainly help with milk richness and quantity (so it definitely affects your milk), but not sure about the safety of cleansing herbs   :-[
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 03, 2006, 09:27:49 AM
Way to go, Melissa!
I didn't drink the salt water every day either, but did an enema flush every other day. Read my earlier post.
I didn't feel dehydrated because I drank 3 quarts of lemonade every day, along with water, a cup of V8 juice in which I mixed the cayenne, and a few mouthfuls of applejuice every now and then. I used less maple syrup as the fast went along, and read that if you are overweight or diabetic, less maple syrup is a good idea.

I ended the Master Cleanse with a Liver Flush (see earlier post) which resulted in some complications for me.

I had malaria repeatedly 10 years ago, and apparently my liver was packed full of stones. The Master Cleanse/Lemonade Diet got everything knocked loose and ready to come out (which is good) but when I did the Liver Flush, I had TOO MANY stones, and too much sludge. I passed most of it, but apparently the ducts and tubes were still full of the remainder when I broke my fast at the end of the next day. The remaining stones/sludge got stuck in the biliary tubes of my liver.

My liver got inflamed and distended and the pain was horrendous. If I had just continued the Lemonade Diet for a few days AFTER doing the Liver Flush, I would have been okay, as the stuff may have been able to continuing trickling on down.

I don't think many people would experience this complication, however, I would advise doing a Liver Flush BEFORE the Master Cleanse. I've read elsewhere that fasting "causes" stones to form in your liver. What that actually means is that during fasting your body is sending toxins to your liver to be desposed of, and your liver will dispose of them in time - but trying to get rid of them all at once while doing a fast which has the liver VERY busy anyway... well, it may not be a good idea.

So my recommendation is: Do a Liver Flush. Two weeks later do 2nd Liver Flush. 1 week later begin Master Cleanse. End with 3rd Liver Flush. Two weeks later do 4th Liver Flush.

I believe the above regimen would be optimal for a total clean-out while protecting your organs from too much stress.



: Re: The Master Cleanse
: homeschooltheheart April 04, 2006, 01:41:29 AM
Thanks so much for the "heads up" on the Master Cleanse.  By the end of the first day I had a terrible headache.  I decided to stop and do as you suggested.  I don't want my liver to have a fit by the end of this fast.  I'll do the flushes first.

I appreciate you taking the time to post.  Thank you very much!

Melissa
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Bobbie April 05, 2006, 06:22:50 AM
Just curious if you would (or did) do anything before the liver cleanse?  (like a kidney cleanse, or a parasite zap???) 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 06, 2006, 11:28:53 AM
Just curious if you would (or did) do anything before the liver cleanse?  (like a kidney cleanse, or a parasite zap???) 

Hi Bobbie,

Sorry I totally missed this question... During the Master Cleanse I did several "Flushes". One of which included Yeast Assassin capsules opened and mixed into warm water, with Tummy Tune-Up Probiotics capsules - 5 of each. I used this enema water to do two enemas in a row. The Yeast Assassin has the same herbs that kill parasites. I also added some oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract, and pure ground cloves.

I took Yeast Assassin orally for 3 weeks as well. I figured if I had any parasites it would be evident after the enema ( :-X :-\ :P) I did this twice during the Master Cleanse 10 day fast. No parasites.

My husband thinks Hulda Clark's zapper thingie is legit. He has researched all that stuff to the extreme. He thinks some of her ideas are a little overboard, and maybe the way she trusts the zapper is overboard, but we think that it does actually work - to a considerable degree. We've been talking about buying one, or making one to try it out.

The Master Cleanse is supposed to be good for your Kidneys too. I did several different flushes that also aid kidney, liver, colon restoration during the Master Cleanse.

I wrote the whole experience down, and now just have to get my hubby to post it on beeyoutiful.com for everybody. He's so crazy-busy right now, though!!! Maybe in a few days...

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Julie G April 17, 2006, 12:25:05 PM
My husband is getting ready to do the Master Cleanse.  We got the book from the library but it actually says to not do enemas, says they can even be harmful during the cleanse.  Is this outdated information?  Hubby is hesitant to do enemas now....how big of a deal is it if he doesn't? 

Also, since the author is provegetarian my husband is hesitant to cleanse at all, (thinks it will all be in vain since he's such a carnivore :))  Any advice?  I know it would be good for him. 

Thank you!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 17, 2006, 04:40:51 PM
I think even the vegetarian would agree that the Master Cleanse would benefit a meat eater. In fact, I'm sure he'd say meat eater's need to do the Master Cleanse more than vegetarians!

I personally would recommend doing the Liver Flush first, to help empty his system of toxins. The Master Cleanse sends a load of toxins to the liver to deal with, so if the liver has already been maintenanced, it will be in better shape to deal with the extra toxins.

If your hubby isn't up to doing the Liver Flush, I believe the Master Cleanse would still be very beneficial.

As far as enemas go, (hehe) it is a very well known and accepted medical proceedure. I hated the idea and was scared of trying it, until I did an enema the first time. Piece of cake. No problem. Get in a hot tub of water with some relaxing essential oil, and your favorite book. Do the enema in the tub and you'll be amazed how easy and stress free the procedure is. 
I'll put a link on enemas at the bottom of this post, with all the warnings, directions, etc... follow the links in the article to read more about specific types of enemas.

I had a lot of success with the coffee enema, and passed two gallstones the size of golf balls while doing the liver flush!
I also lost over 20 pounds this last month, while doing 5 seperate liver flushes, and one Master Cleanse. I suffered no ill effects, but I was pretty healthy to begin with. I'll post my whole experience...

HERE (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,940.msg1317.html#msg1317)

http://curezone.com/cleanse/enema/

Rebekah

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 17, 2006, 05:50:22 PM
and passed two gallstones the size of golf balls

okay...mmmm....this sounds a bit like having babies when you consider the object to exit size ratio.   :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 17, 2006, 07:26:29 PM
Can you cheat on this diet?

What I mean is, has anyone done the cleanse

1)  alone without any other cleansing or treatments?

2)  using lemon juice from a bottle instead of fresh squeezed?

3)  using peeled lemon chopped pulp and all in the food processor?

4)  using red chili pepper instead of cayenne?

5)  using no pepper at all?

6)  not using the bentonite (colon plaque remover)?

7)  using tap water instead of purified water (Note:  I worked for a water treatment company for 1 year and hubby worked there for 2.  There are no FDA regulations for purifying water.  The average bottled water is run through a simple charcoal filter which eliminates only the largest of impurity particles from the water.  The best of charcoal filtered waters are only about 50-75% pure.  And the cheap knockoffs aren't even that good.  We tested many of these waters - which brands I don't remember - and some of them tested higher in impurities than regular tap water and this was in Iowa - a state labeled by the government as having one of the worst natural water supplies in the U.S.).

I'd really like to know who cheated and how - and how effective these cheats were.  I'm working on a budget here and want to cut corners where I can and still fast effectively.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: homeschooltheheart April 18, 2006, 01:40:05 AM
hmmm, all great questions!!!  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kansas Girl April 18, 2006, 02:08:45 AM
I was wondering the same thing.  I hope someone knows the answer.  I would really like to try the Master Cleanse soon, because although it sounds difficult, I'm sure I would feel so much better after.  -KG
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 18, 2006, 06:20:31 PM
Let's see... cheating...

I added other cleanses/flushes because I figured if I was going to be roughing it for 10 days, I might as well make it count as much as possible.

I think fresh squeezed lemon juice is important because so many wonderful properties are still available in fresh squeezed fruit - but are lost once the juice is processed for long term shelf life.

If you want the whole lemon minced up, I can't imagine why it would hurt you - but it might taste strong. I didn't buy organic lemons.

I don't know about the cayenne versus chili pepper - it would probably depend on how hot and spicy your chili pepper is.

I believe the cayenne is important to the cleanse because it stimulates circulation and helps strip the body of toxins. However, I put mine in a capsule and took it with the lemonade instead of in it. This made the lemonade MUCH more pleasant.

I haven't heard of the bentonite??? That must be a new addition to the cleanse.

I think purified water is important. Infact, I believe two of the most dangerous sources of toxins that we intake commonly are tap water and homogenized milk.

I think it's pretty well known that the WORST additive we get in our water is flouride. This poison is added to tap water and even to toothpaste!?!?! Chlorinated water also has significant ill effects, HOWEVER the chlorine also kills bacterias that could spread disease.

Effective water treatment systems range from ceramic water treatment systems, like the British Berkefeld, Katadyn, and Doulton type filters, to multi-stage reverse osmosis. One of our favorite companies for water info and treatments is WaterFiltersOnline.com. Alot of their systems have two carbon filters, a seditment filter, and a charcoal filter. The water that comes out of these filters is just delicious! You drink way more water because it just tastes so good - and is so good for you.

I digress... maybe I should have started a water thread...



 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 18, 2006, 06:35:24 PM
Let's see... cheating...

I forgot one:  Can I use stevia instead of maple syrup?  I don't really like maple syrup (hubby smells like raw maple all the time from work - eeeeew!).  I'm not a big fan of honey either. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 18, 2006, 06:38:07 PM
I put mine in a capsule and took it with the lemonade instead of in it. This made the lemonade MUCH more pleasant.

...very interesting idea.  Did you take a full capsule with every glass of lemonade or did you just take a set number of capsules per day?  About how many capsules would I need for 10 days?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 18, 2006, 06:41:28 PM
I have no idea how the capsules worked out - I just made them as I used them. About 3 or 4 caps a day???

As far as the Stevia goes, I believe that would work fine. If you have any yeast or candida symptoms, I think it would be BETTER to do stevia.

B Grade maple syrup is pulled during the second half of the season and is very high in minerals. It is not recommended for those with blood sugar imbalances, or candida.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: StephTallent April 18, 2006, 06:49:36 PM
I followed a more "purist" form of the cleanse as set out by the guy who first "invented" it Stanley Burroughs.  I'm going to post some excerpts from his books that addresses these questions.  From his point of view of course.  ;)

About the lemons.  From what I've read it's important to use fresh lemons because of the high enzyme count that dies off within a few hours of being squeezed.   Someone asked on another forum if the enzymes still died off at the same rate if the fresh squeezed juice was frozen right after squeezing.  I never heard a good answer for that one.

I had read warnings about drinking broth or eating anything except what was strictly set out by Burroughs.  But Gabe and Beka varied in several ways and did fine.  


Here is what he says about the Lemons, Cheyenne and Mint Tea:

Blend part of the lemon skin and pulp with the lemonade in a blender for further cleansing and laxative effect.  (Note: commercially procured lemons may have had their skins dyed with yellow coloring and may have been subjected to poisonous insect sprays-be sure to peel off the outer skin if you cannot get uncolored, organically grown lemons.)  The properties in the lemon skin also act as a homeostatic to prevent excess bleeding and prevent clotting should there be any such prevailing condition.

Adding the cayenne pepper is necessary as it breaks up mucus and increases warmth by building the blood.  It also adds many of the good B and C vitamins.

Mint tea may be used occasionally during this diet as a pleasant change and to assist further in the cleansing.  Its chlorophyll helps as a purifier, neutralizing many mouth and body odors that are released during the cleansing period.




: Re: The Master Cleanse
: homeschooltheheart April 19, 2006, 01:59:13 AM
We have well water.  How does that compare to purified???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara April 19, 2006, 02:43:06 AM
How many types of water purification remove floride? I thought it was only reverse osmosis, but I would love to know other methods could to. We have a charcoal filter that removes chlorine, but I'm pretty sure ours doen't remove floride. We're still saving for a R.O. system. Our city prides itself on being the first in the country to put floride in the city water  :-[.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 19, 2006, 05:01:45 AM
How many types of water purification remove floride?

I don't know about other systems but EcoWater claims to remove 99% of all micro particles (including chlorine) from your water.  If I remember right, chlorine is one of the smallest and hardest to filter out.  It is possible that flouride is easily removed, but most don't advertise this because most people believe that flouride is good for you.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: gusoceros April 22, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
I found the Master Cleanse book free online in *.pdf format (attached below).

I thought I would mention it, in case anyone wanted to check it out.

G
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 22, 2006, 06:30:47 PM
I found the Master Cleanse book free online in *.pdf format here:

Thank you.  That's awesome! :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: bintiwangu April 23, 2006, 06:55:03 PM
While doing the cleanses and such did you continue taking Supermom?

I have done the lemonade diet twice over the years and loved it.  I did the salt water flushes but didn't do anything else like parasite flushes, and I did not take any vitamins during that time.  I have done the gallbladder cleanses etc but during different times.

So I don't know... I am just wavering.  What do you all think?

Another thing. I read someone's question about the salt water flush.  They worried about it being bad.  I had read something once but can't exactly remember all the details.  But something about the ratio of salt to water was such that your blood nor kidneys would pick it up.  Sorry I can't remember the details.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 24, 2006, 09:44:41 AM
Yes, I continued to take Supermom and Spirulina, although I backed off the Supermom to only one tab a day.


I recently studied fibromyalgia and Parkensons on a fairly surface level. My conclusions were that most illnesses/conditions are a result of
1) toxicity
that comes through diet, prescription drugs, stress.
2) A predesposed hereditary weakness that is agrivated by #1.

I believe all conditions, from miscarriages, to GI tract related illnesses, to Parkinsons and Fibro, can be, at the very least, greatly improved by ridding the body of toxins.

My sister has the same weight problem as tjmjfamily and is WAY too thin. I was convinced she had Candida, although the doctor disagreed. She also had long term vaginal infections, chronic fatigue, and continual diarhea. I put her on Yeast Assassin, Tummy Tune-Up, Kefir, and the Maker's Diet.
I talked to her yesterday - she feels like she's be raised from the dead. She's hungry and eating like crazy, and all her symptoms are clearing up.

So, even though you are underweight, I don't believe the Cleanse would hurt you. However, if I were in your shoes, I would go this route first:

2 weeks of no yeast/sugars, with full doses of Yeast Assassin (or the equivalent) and Tummy Tune-Up or Primal Defense (or the equivalent.)

At the end of two weeks I think I'd do a liver flush and add an enema with parasite killing herbs:
Black Walnut Hull
Cloves
Wormwood
Grapefruit Seed Extract
Oil of Oregano
Make sure you stay very hydrated throughout the two days of the flush. This helps with blood sugar. I was also very hypoglycemic for years. It cleared up during my recent cleanses.

If all goes well thus far and if you are feeling strong... I would continue the yeast/sugar diet w/ supplements for one more week, and then begin the 10 day Master Cleanse.

You might try using quite a bit less maple syrup - or none at all. I've read that if you are underweight, the Master Cleanse should not take off much more, as it is designed to strip toxins, not healthy tissue.

My mom was your height and weight when she began a 21 day juice fast, years ago, in order to get her body reset so that she could get pregnant. She had several miscarriages, and a natural doctor recommended she do a cleanse. She lost a little more weight - but felt strong throughout the cleanse - and got pregnant with me soon afterward.

Hope this helps. 

Julie G - Your husband's experience is very interesting to us all - keep us updated about how he feels and how it all works out. Many of us have husbands that need a little help healthwise and having a story about "some other guy" is a great leverage tool!

Pasted from another thread

after doing all these flushes/cleanses I had several days of feeling overwhelmed, anxious, and just cruddy. I also had tender places all over my body, sore muscles, swollen glands, and headaches. I researched the symptoms and discovered I had a Vit C deficiency!

Vit C does not get stored in the body at all, and so we need a continual ongoing supply of it. I must have depleted myself with the Epsom Salts. So I've been taking high doses of C for 48 hours now and the symptoms are gone!

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Leah IL April 25, 2006, 03:33:06 AM
Does anyone know why you need Grade "B" maple syrup?  I have a gallon of Grade "A" maple syrup that I use for sweetening.  And where can I find the grade B?


EDIT: Actually, I can find the grade B syrup on my own I'm sure- just wondering why it has to b grade B.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: bintiwangu April 25, 2006, 04:09:34 AM
Good morning

I am a rank amateur here but I think you can do it with Grade A. I have in the past.  But Grade B is actually better.  It is from the second round of tapping the trees and has more nutrients in it that you need during the fast.  Once you try the grade B you'll even like it better.  It is darker and has a richer flavor...and when ordering is cheaper!

Stores sell the Grade A more because it's color is lighter. Americans like that I guess.   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: gusoceros April 25, 2006, 04:12:40 AM
Here is the excerpt from the Master Cleanse Book, page 11 of the acrobat file I linked to on page one of this thread:

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Leah IL April 25, 2006, 05:41:44 AM
Thanks so much- I am going to download the ebook, just haven't had a chance yet :)  I am seriously considering doing this cleanse as I have a lot of 'symptoms' and dietary changes- always my first thought- don't seem to help.  10 days with no food seems so tough to me, but after reading some testimonies, I think I can do it.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 25, 2006, 06:50:32 AM
I had read that there is "no such thing" as Grade C anymore, and found this quote on an FDA site:

Grade C syrup is no longer an official USDA syrup grade. For those of you looking for Grade C maple syrup, it is now called Grade B. In other words, Grade B & C are the same.

However, you may be able to buy Grade C directly from the Maple tappers. I bought Grade B from NOW foods, and it is really good, and fairly inexpensive. It was $34 for 64 oz. retail. I think you might get better prices off the web - but then there is shipping.

I also use Grade B Maple syrup to cook with now, as it tastes really good in muffin recipes.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: bintiwangu April 25, 2006, 10:55:50 AM
Wow seems like we've posted this thing to death.  ;D

But another question... Do you know if I can use the green small limes instead of lemons?  They are in abundance here now thanks to the Latin influence.  Any ideas?
Just trying to gather "my gear" for this cleanse.

thanks maria
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Tree2know April 25, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
Hi,

Hope this is the right place to start.  Have read a few topics here in the past few days.  Found this place through NGJ.  Am not experienced with using a forum.

Anyway, I am a nursing mom interested in something very simple to try in the way of cleanse or fast.  Our baby is 14 months and we do not intend to stop nursing anytime soon.  We get food from Wal-mart & Kroger mostly.  Other sources are available but not an option for us.  We use a counter top pitcher to filter our water.  I am relatively aware of poisons in food & water and do my best to purchase and use food that is as close to it's original packaging as possible, i.e. the (pause for horsey ride) apple or banana.  Organic foods are not an option unless they are on sale at these places or an occasional stop at the local farmer's produce stand.  I have been studying health and nutrition a considerable amount over the years and do the best I can with what options I have. 

My questions is this:  Can I do a fast or cleanse using regular juices and/or water and expect results? 

Thanks for your time.

Theresa
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara April 25, 2006, 12:08:04 PM
I would say so, as I have in the past, though I've never fasted longer than 3 days on juice.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 25, 2006, 12:19:49 PM
My questions is this:  Can I do a fast or cleanse using regular juices and/or water and expect results? 

Check lower in this thread.  Click here (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1338.html#msg1338).  AND  Click here (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1417.html#msg1417).

The Master Cleanse only requires water, lemons, fancy maple syrup, sea salt and cayenne pepper.  The lemons are supposed to be organic, but isn't everything?  I'm not going to use the maple syrup.  I'm going to use stevia instead and probably take a multi-vitamin.  The syrup has vitamins and sweetens the deal, so I think I got that covered.  Cayenne pepper, you can get anywhere.  Seasalt isn't imperative, but you may have trouble with flushing toxins if you don't use it and I don't think this should be too difficult to find.  I get mine at the Asian Food market to make Kimchee.  And you've already got the water thing figured out.

I won't be doing mine for at least another week.  I'm waiting on my multi-vitamins to arrive and I want to kill some yeast first.  Good Luck!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Maria/NHM April 26, 2006, 02:46:32 AM
However, if I were in your shoes, I would go this route first:

2 weeks of no yeast/sugars, with full doses of Yeast Assassin (or the equivalent) and Tummy Tune-Up or Primal Defense (or the equivalent.)

At the end of two weeks I think I'd do a liver flush and add an enema with parasite killing herbs:
Black Walnut Hull
Cloves
Wormwood
Grapefruit Seed Extract
Oil of Oregano
Make sure you stay very hydrated throughout the two days of the flush. This helps with blood sugar. I was also very hypoglycemic for years. It cleared up during my recent cleanses.

If all goes well thus far and if you are feeling strong... I would continue the yeast/sugar diet w/ supplements for one more week, and then begin the 10 day Master Cleanse.

You might try using quite a bit less maple syrup - or none at all. I've read that if you are underweight, the Master Cleanse should not take off much more, as it is designed to strip toxins, not healthy tissue.


In my previous post I forgot to mention That I'm 31 weeks pregnant so doing a cleansing fast will not be an option for quite some time. Do you know if your other suggestions would be safe to try while nursing? I'm dreading the return of my muscle pain that always returns fullforce after a pregnancy. If I do have a parasite problem maybe doing the enema cleansing would also help keep my weight more normal.

Thanks for your advice. It's encouraging to have ideas even if I need to wait a while to try them! Maria


: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Mamatutu April 28, 2006, 05:46:48 AM
I had read that there is "no such thing" as Grade C anymore, and found this quote on an FDA site:

Grade C syrup is no longer an official USDA syrup grade. For those of you looking for Grade C maple syrup, it is now called Grade B. In other words, Grade B & C are the same.

However, you may be able to buy Grade C directly from the Maple tappers. I bought Grade B from NOW foods, and it is really good, and fairly inexpensive. It was $34 for 64 oz. retail. I think you might get better prices off the web - but then there is shipping.

I also use Grade B Maple syrup to cook with now, as it tastes really good in muffin recipes.

I'm on the border of Vermont/New Hampshire. Our Grade A cost $34.00 per gallon so I'm sure I could B or C if available for less. If someone is interested, I can try to get it for you, (though I don't know offhand how much shipping would be).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 28, 2006, 12:48:47 PM
I've wanted to do a juice fast or similar cleanse for awhile now.

Do you know if your other suggestions would be safe to try while nursing?

Anyway, I am a nursing mom interested in something very simple to try in the way of cleanse or fast.

I would love to do the cleanse because of the difference I've seen in my hubby, but I'm due to have my baby in 6 weeks...then a year or so of nursing...it will be a while. :-\

Doing a cleanse sounds helpful if I could. Any ideas?

Check this thread ladies:  The Water Cure (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=369.msg2239#msg2239)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: bintiwangu May 22, 2006, 05:09:06 AM
Hello
I need some advice.   I went on the Master Cleanse for 21 days.  Felt great, lost weight, had energy, planted 450 evergreens, no problems.    But then... I started eating.  :(
I tried to go slow but perhaps was not slow enough.  The first day I made fruit juice and had bean soup.  The second day 4 fried chickens and a Coke. (NO just kiddin')  My husband told me to write that.

Anyway the problem is that my stomach below my bellybutton is sore; my guts.  Also is used to be quite regular, but now once a day and lots of belching and pain in my guts before I go to the bathroom.

Should I slow down to just fruit juice?  Maybe not drinking enough water?  I don't know.  What do you think? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt May 24, 2006, 08:18:52 AM
I guess it's my turn to comment.

I did the Master Cleanse with a couple of moderations.  I started out with the intent of going for 8-10 days, but only made it four.  I made all my lemonade with tap water, because I refuse to buy bottled because I'm not convinced it's any healthier after seeing the results of water tests done on various brands.  Distilled water is not recommended because being mineral free it actually attracts the minerals from your body causing deficiency.  I put the cayenne directly into the lemonade.  I did not use exact measurements, but about 1/4 tsp per glass.  I used stevia to sweeten except on day 3, I used maple syrup (grade A from Walmart) for half the day.

Day 1: 
70 oz Lemonade
32 oz Saltwater flush
Oolong tea
2 Supermoms, 2 Yeast Assassins, 2 Tummy-Tuneups (after flush done)
1 T Ginger Tincture (hubby was sick)

I had minimal fatique, took a short nap, very few hunger pangs and some bowel soreness.

Day 2:
80 oz Lemonade
32 oz Saltwater flush
Raspberry/Lavender/Peppermint Tea mix
2 Supermoms, 2 Yeast Assassins, 2 Tummy-Tuneups (after flush done)
1 T Ginger Tincture (hubby still sick)

I was very tired and slow throughout the day.  Hunger pangs worse than day one, headache and I kept experiencing chills very similar to those experienced during severe fevers.  Took a very long afternoon nap and still felt drained.

Day 3:
100 oz Lemonade (1/2 with stevia, 1/2 with maple syrup - no noticible diff except flavor)
32 oz Saltwater flush
Raspberry/Lavender/Peppermint Tea mix
2 Supermoms, 2 Yeast Assassins, 2 Tummy-Tuneups (after flush done)

Hungrier than day 1 and 2, lower bowel tenderness, fatigue, still having severe chills.  Did some research and found that liver toxicity could be causing fatigue, so I decided to try the coffee enema that Beka did.  I found my info here (http://www.cleanse.net/newsite/articles/coffee_enema.html) and here (http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T98568.html).  I used 3T folgers coffee to 1 quart of water.  I did two 12-15 minute treatments followed by another salt water flush (32 oz).  The coffee caused my liver to swell and recede as my gallbladder squirted.  I wouldn't have believed you can actually hear and feel this until I did.  I felt no pain or discomfort from the flush and only passed bile, so I did not do another flush.

Day 4:
100 oz Lemonade
32 oz Saltwater flush
Oolong Tea (looking for caffeine boost)
2 Supermoms, 2 Yeast Assassins, 2 Tummy-Tuneups (after flush done)

Symptoms still increasing in severity.  Joint and muscle soreness along with headache, bowel soreness, fatigue and chills.

Day 5:
8 oz Lemonade
32 oz Salt Water Flush

Got out of bed and nearly collapsed.  All my joints seemed to seize up like they did when I had influenza about 5 years ago.  Hubby got up early to watch the kids, so I could lay back down for about 2 more hours and I still felt terrible.  Chills, achy, fatigue, etc.  Hubby and I decided it was time for me to eat.  I think I was deficient in protein and potassium, so I started with yogurt and banana's for breakfast and lunch.  For supper I had tuna, lettuce, flax seed, boiled eggs, and a bit of mayo.  Began to feel better throughout the day but still feeling as though I was recuperating from the flu.

Day 6:

Began eating normally, except now adding flax seed to everything to make sure my bowels don't get irritated by regular diet.  Also not taking Supermom for same reason (too much iron)  Still feeling a bit slow, but aching beginning to subside. 

Day 7-9:

Feeling very energetic, eating normally, no Supermoms, decided to weed my entire yard, harvest rhubarb, cook awesome meals, conquer the world.  Feeling very sore and worn out, but not from bad diet, from hard work.

Day 9:  First trip to the bathroom.  Digestion has improved immensely.

Day 10: 
Still going strong.

I have lost a few pounds, but won't know how many until I visit MIL as I don't have my own set of scales.

Some of the info is kinda personal, but I hope it might help someone else deciding to take the plunge.

hb

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt May 26, 2006, 06:50:06 PM
I just weighed today.  I've lost another 10 lbs.   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery May 30, 2006, 09:26:59 AM
I have a friend that wants to try the Master Cleanse.  She is on Lasix and a blood pressure medicine.  Should she go cold turkey off her meds?  She also smokes, should she stop for this?  She would like to quit her meds and her smoking. Also a cholesterol pill.. suggestions appreciated.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: nursegirl June 02, 2006, 07:14:03 PM
I think I would strongly advise against going off Lasix and blood pressure meds cold turkey.  Lots of nasty things could happen like stroke, kidney failure, heart attack, etc, etc.  She should definitely stop smoking--for good, not just for the cleanse!  Quitting smoking alone could have a wonderful effect on her blood pressure.  Sounds like your friend has some chronic health problems and should consult her doctor or a naturopath before embarking on a cleanse of this magnitude. 

She may find after she does the cleanse and stops smoking that she no longer needs her meds, but I think she should wait until she finds out if this will be the case or not.  The only exception may be the cholesterol pill.  These meds usually affect the liver, and I believe that the Master Cleanse usually sends a lot of toxins to the liver to deal with.  Again, she should definitely talk with someone (who knows more than me!) before starting this. 

HTH!

Sarah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: felmleyfam June 03, 2006, 07:40:57 PM
can I do the masters cleanse using Rebecca's cookie mama recipe instead....it is whole wheat flour ???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sweet June 06, 2006, 09:51:01 AM
Started "The Cleanse" yesterday.  Haven't slowed down and have nothing to whine about ;D
Cut out the two cups of coffee last week so I didn't suffer from a caffine wanting headache.

Saw pecan syrup, didn't buy it and I didn't read the label...tried to do a quick search to see if it is as nutritionally good for you as maple syrup, didn't get far, too many ads to buy pecan products.  Has anyone heard/read of it's benefits?

Oh, I love the lemon pulp after it sits in the maple syrup, yummy.  Reminds me of my DM applesauce. She cans the lemon rinds in the sauce yum, yum...stop thinking abt food you are doing the cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kansas Girl June 07, 2006, 02:57:11 AM
The 10th day I began the Liver/Gallbladder Flush which consisted of:
Drink 3/4 cup of fresh squeezed grapefruit juice with 1 tablespoon of Epsom salt at
5PM and again at 7PM

At 9PM I drank 3/4 cup of grapefruit juice mixed with 1/2 cup of olive oil and went straight to bed.

Began to pass stones around 5AM

At 6AM I drank 3/4 cup of grapefruit juice with 1 tablespoon of Epsom salt, and then again at
8AM.

I continued to pass stones all day long.

The Epsom salt (Magnesium Sulfate) paralyzes, or relaxes, the valves in the binary tubes of your liver, causing them to lay open and pass stones freely. I could feel the stones being gushed out of my liver within 20 minutes of drinking the oil and grapefruit juice.

My husband did the exact same cleanse after 7 days of lemonade fasting, and didn't pass a single stone! I believe he just didn't have any stones.

My tastes and cravings have totally changed, and I find that I'm totally disinterested in fatty foods now.

I'd never heard of the Master Cleanse until I had these gallbladder attacks and had to start researching for remedies. It certainly worked for me!
[/color]

I am doing a Master Cleanse and decided to do the liver flush toward the beginning of the cleanse as recommended on this forum.  I could NOT get that olive oil to go down!!! It was horrible and made me gag :P
I did manage to get a few sips of it, but could not do the whole amount.  This morning I passed some chaff and one or two stones.  So, I know I must have stones.  Is there any easier way to get the olive oil to go down???  Would just oil swishing work????  -KG

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara June 07, 2006, 11:10:11 AM
The only recomendation I know of is to blend the lemon/grapefruit juice with the oil in the blender  and drink as fast as you can, instead of sipping. My DF spent and hour and a half getting his down, though, and it still worked.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl June 07, 2006, 11:12:50 AM
I put mine in a sealed sippy container with a straw and drink it through the straw without breathing through my nose.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kansas Girl June 07, 2006, 11:39:02 AM
I actually passed about a 1/4 cup of stones and chaff on just the few swallows of oil that I was able to keep down.  I wonder how much more I could have passed if I had been able to get the whole amount down???
-KG
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery June 09, 2006, 04:26:59 AM
We use flax seed and/or natural apple juice.  Oatmeal helps mine also.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Fallmom June 09, 2006, 09:52:43 AM
I'm not sure if this fits here or has to be moved.  I am overwhelmed by all this wonderful information on cleansing.  I posted the multiple miscarriage question.  I have heard that maybe a cleanse would be good before trying to conceive again.  I don't know that I can handle the master cleanse, I get light headed and VERY irritable when hungry- and with 4 boys running around I may snap!  Would taking Yeast Assassin be good enough for a month or so?  Does is have the same cleansing effect?  I don't think I have a parasite problem (at least have never seen a worm), but yeast, maybe.  Would love if someone could clarify the differences between the cleansing and taking YA.  Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 09, 2006, 07:52:27 PM
I'm not sure if this fits here or has to be moved.  I am overwhelmed by all this wonderful information on cleansing.  I posted the multiple miscarriage question.  I have heard that maybe a cleanse would be good before trying to conceive again.  I don't know that I can handle the master cleanse, I get light headed and VERY irritable when hungry- and with 4 boys running around I may snap!  Would taking Yeast Assassin be good enough for a month or so?  Does is have the same cleansing effect?  I don't think I have a parasite problem (at least have never seen a worm), but yeast, maybe.  Would love if someone could clarify the differences between the cleansing and taking YA.  Thanks!

Yeast Assassin is a product designed to kill candida and parasites.  Once dead, your body still has to flush them out naturally as they leave decaying matter behind just like any other dead creature.  This will create toxicity in your body until you are able to flush it out.  You do not have to cleanse in order for this to occur, but it would speed up the process a bit. 

Cleansing helps the body to release and expel toxins stored in the fatty tissues and internal organs.  When you eat, the body uses a lot of energy to process and store nutrients and fats and expel new toxins.  When you don't eat the body is free to focus on expelling only the stored toxins without wasting energy on digesting and absorbing new foods.  The lemonade concoction is designed to help curb hunger and help to hydrate and flush the endocrine system (liver, kidneys, etc).  The salt water and laxative tea is added to help you to expel solid toxins through the bowels. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Fallmom June 10, 2006, 05:09:34 AM
Thank you for that clarification.  Today I was at a local Vitamin Shoppe, and the man recommended something liquid that started with Flora_______.  It was supposed to be taken in the am with water for eight days.  It was designed to detox the whole body- all major systems.  Do you have any knowledge of a cleanse such as this?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 10, 2006, 05:41:30 AM
Thank you for that clarification.  Today I was at a local Vitamin Shoppe, and the man recommended something liquid that started with Flora_______.  It was supposed to be taken in the am with water for eight days.  It was designed to detox the whole body- all major systems.  Do you have any knowledge of a cleanse such as this?

It depends on what the product is.  With "flora" in the name it makes me think "probiotics" of some kind.  What are the ingredients on the label?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kansas Girl June 11, 2006, 07:26:08 AM
I thought I would share some of the lessons I learned on the Master Cleanse: 
1.  I realized again how self-focused/selfish I truly am.  Things like  getting married, having children, and 
    now the Master Cleanse have continually shown me the depth of my selfishness.   
2.  I never knew that I often reach for a little bite of food without thinking about how much food that adds up
     to ;D  I was continually catching myself putting food into my mouth and then having (to my great   
     disappointment ;D) put it down again.
3.  I have heard the Bible story of how Jesus was driven into the desert and there He fasted for forty days and 
    was tempted by Satan many times.  I have never really sat and thought about that passage as much as I have
   this week.  I sinned constantly during my fast(irritable, short of patience and temper-well, you get the idea) 
   and yet Jesus never sinned.
4.  I never knew how good boring vegtable soup would sound :)  I've never really enjoyed vegtables, but I will be
    so thankful for every bite of the vegtable soup tonight.
-KG
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 11, 2006, 08:06:44 AM
4.  I never knew how good boring vegtable soup would sound :)  I've never really enjoyed vegtables, but I will be so thankful for every bite of the vegtable soup tonight.

I agree with this.  Things I rarely even eat sounded so apetizing.  Funny, though, it doesn't take long to return to old habits and begin taking food for granted once more.   :-\  On the good side, I crave sugar almost never.  I was eating granola for awhile but even the sugar in that got old and this week, my sugar has been limited to gluten and sweet and sour from Chinese buffet (shhhhh), but there was little effort in it, just didn't feel like eating it.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthnut June 18, 2006, 09:29:06 PM
Today I was at a local Vitamin Shoppe, and the man recommended something liquid that started with Flora_______. 

Could he have been talking about Floradix? http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/usa/_main.asp
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 24, 2006, 06:41:30 PM
Want some mainstream validation of the Master Cleanse?

CLICK HERE (http://www.iowatelecom.net/~loosewheels/mastercleanse.PDF).  We just went to Walmart and hubby spotted this article at the counter.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 25, 2006, 06:21:34 AM
Want some mainstream validation of the Master Cleanse?

CLICK HERE (http://www.iowatelecom.net/~loosewheels/mastercleanse.PDF).  We just went to Walmart and hubby spotted this article at the counter.

PS  It's a little slow to load.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sweet June 26, 2006, 02:53:50 AM
Healthybratt,
I got into the site real fast, but cldn't find an article/info on the Master Cleanse...can you spoon feed to me where to go?
Tks
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sweet June 26, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
Healthybratt,
Never mind, tried it again and got it...Tks
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC June 28, 2006, 10:24:04 AM
I just finished my 60th day on the Master Cleanse last week. To answer questions about energy: I went hiking, camping, bicycling, and painted and redecorated my kids' room during these two past months. I also had mouth surgery during the fast, and my Dr. said he never saw anyone come in, undergo a procedure without general anesthesia and be out of his office so quickly (less than 45 minutes, they usually take 2 hours). No problem with weakness except towards the last. I lost 37 pounds during the fast, but I seem to have leveled out at 32 pounds.

I plan to do another fast probably next month to reduce my weight further. I kept a journal so that I could reference it later. In all, I found it to be a pleasant experience (except for detox). I was able to cook for my family without problems because this stuff really does not leave you with hunger or uncontrollable cravings.

I thought I'd be back to my old ways of eating, but my tastes have really changed. I keep a large container of vegetable soup that I dip into throughout the day (with whey added). I also enjoy lots of fresh salads. I eat some protein each day, but it's much less than before. I used to like lots of beef, but now I really enjoy herb-baked organic chicken or deep-sea fish baked with peppers, onions and lemon. Also, I drink a gallon of filtered water per day with 1 tsp of sea salt.

Oh, and one thing I didn't expect: when I broke the fast, my body reacted by retaining water in my legs and feet . . . BIG TIME. I just kept on with my herbal tea and water and things have gradually corrected themselves. I feel good now, but I really had a lot of energy during the fast.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl June 28, 2006, 12:19:25 PM
Wow, congratulations, SC - I've never known anyone go TWO MONTHS without eating! That's truly amazing. Thanks for the update!

Fasting can become an addiction, BTW, and long term it is bad on your internal organs. Be sure to eat really well, take your vitamins, and get TOTALLY recovered before doing another fast - and personally, I'd recommend doing shorter fasts for health sake.

Still - the total amazement of having done a 2 month fast is truly something!

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :
Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper June 28, 2006, 01:46:29 PM
Thot i hadn't read right when i read 60 days. Wow! Your self control must be amazing. Do you have major health issues that made you decide to do 60 days? DH and i are planning to do the cleanse together in a couple of wks. when i'm done nursing. I'm trying to prepare myself by fasting over lunch, at least a couple of times a week. I'll have to think of SC when i want to give up.  :-\
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC June 28, 2006, 03:51:52 PM
I did the cleanse because there were some things going on that I wanted to correct. I was tired a lot, suffered from lots of cravings and needed to lose about 70 pounds. I knew my metabolism was shot, and the last person I took care of was myself.

I also needed some time away from food to nourish myself spiritually. Being the mom of a special needs child has left me very isolated from fellowship. The organized church we attend just isn't set up for families that wish to worship together. Additionally, the classes for little ones feature junk snacks that would send my little guy into a tailspin. They just aren't set up to keep little ones from grabbing snacks from each other, and there's no place for me to go with my guy. So, I am often left at home missing worship, fellowship and Bible study.

This cleanse has jump started my weight loss. It has helped free me from cravings and boosted my energy level. Also, with the help of tapes and Cd's, I have been able to bathe in God's word while I go about my daily routine. I have seen improvements in my overall outlook, and I am more at peace though my circumstances have not changed. My skin -- especially my scalp, and feet -- has greatly improved. Even the bumps that I used to have on my upper arms. My face is clear and my hair is shiny and reaches to my upper thighs.

I would not recommend 60 days for everyone. I didn't start out with a goal of days in mind. I simply wanted to lose weight and read the literature very carefully. Keep in mind, you are taking in nutrients, just in a liquid form. You truly don't feel hungry if you follow the instructions.

I had determined to make this a time of prayer for myself. Because I have small children, I also determined that I would end the fast as soon as I felt that my physical condition warranted it or kept me from caring for my family. My kids need a healthy mom and my DH is properly spoiled.  ;)

By the end of the fast, I knew the difference between a toxin release and my body needing something more. I never lost muscle tone, only fat and water. I finally ended when I felt a constant nausea and headache that was different from toxin release. If I had been in better physical shape at the outset, I might have been able to go longer. Because I have dealt with allergies in the past, I suspect that the mono-diet over an extended time may have triggered a temporary allergic reaction either to the maple syrup or the lemon. I used all organic ingredients.

My youngest stopped nursing about 9 months before I started the fast. I sought my husband's approval before starting it. I wouldn't have attempted this if I were pregnant, nursing, diabetic, or taking prescription medications.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie June 28, 2006, 04:50:19 PM
I have a question.  I have fasted for one month before but only a water fast.  I didn't do any of this master cleanse stuff(didn't know about it).  If you just do a water fast can you pass stones and things like the folks on here are talking about or do you have to be drinking certain stuff for that?  I always had plenty of energy during the fast.  It always made me want to cook and bake but I was never tempted to eat it. I think that may be why I could do it.  I am an all or nothing kinda gal and I can fast easier than diet.  HOWEVER i think most of my loss was water and food intake but then I have had a baby since and once I fasted for five days but I was nuts so I decided I had better eat and I found out I was pregnant and another time I did a cleanse......yep pregnant and didn't know it.  So anyway I am off my question but can someone give me an answer on the passing suff?   :) Thanks.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Coco79 July 06, 2006, 11:19:27 AM
Why is it dangerous to eat whatever you want as you get off the master cleanse? and how do i prepare this cleanse for my husband who is at work during the day?

Thanks
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC July 06, 2006, 02:30:59 PM
Both in The Master Cleanser and The Maker's Diet the end of a fast is a crucial time. Each author says that you should be very careful how you go about breaking a fast, taking anywhere from two to four days to work your way back to solid foods. Your stomach has gotten smaller during the fast and should not be expected to suddenly take on the task of digesting solid food and stretching to accommodate it. Additionally, once you have gotten rid of all those toxins, it can be a bit much to reintroduce processed foods, sugars, breads and other things with preservatives, coloring agents and other additives all of a sudden.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Coco79 July 06, 2006, 02:56:24 PM
Thanks SC. How do i prepare this cleansing for my husband who is working during the day?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC July 07, 2006, 03:51:03 AM
What has worked at our house is that my husband saw how I handled the fast. First, he watched me do a couple of liver flushes over several months. He wanted to try one, so we chose a time when he would be home from work for the second day. A liver flush takes two days. He was surprised by its "efficiency" and pleased with the results.

DH isn't much of a talker. He watched while I did the Master Cleanser. He saw that my energy levels were actually higher, along with the other benefits. He has mentioned wanting to try the MC. Because he has a very physically demanding job, I'm waiting to see if he really wants to proceed.

With the Master Cleanser, I would do for him what I did for myself: Each morning, prepare 6, 10 oz servings of the lemonade according to directions. I put the entire thing in a 1/2 gallon jar. (One caution: DON'T use a plastic container. The lemon is a detoxifier. I used a plastic container. Toward the end of my fast, I think the plastic was leeching into the drink! This could leave you feeling quite badly.) I purchased supplies for about 10 days at a time.

Send the jar with him to work and he should be fine. Remind him to drink throughout the day to avoid feelings of weakness. This will be his nourishment. I took a quart mason jar with the lemonade and a water bottle with me whenever I left the house. Watch carefully for dehydration: pinch up some skin on the back of the hand and release. If it springs back, good. If it sort of stands there before going back down, you need more water. I have continued to keep a gallon of filtered water with 1 tsp of sea salt on hand to drink throughout the day.

I would plan to begin this on a weekend or some time when he is at home during the second day. For me, that second day of the fast is when full-blown detox symptoms hit, and you just won't feel like being away from home. My symptoms subsided after about 4 hours, so I suspect that most men would take less time.

That reminds me, my DH would rather not be bothered with a lot of reading if he knows I've already researched the topic. If your's likes to read, have him read the MC pamphlet. If not, tell him a quick overview and let him know what the detox symptoms are and what he should expect. Certain things should not be left as a surprise  ;).

Also, I would position myself as a support person and assistant, not the director. If, at any time, he feels that he wants to leave the fast early, then don't balk. He will be more likely to try again later if he knows he hasn't failed in your eyes. Keep enough fresh vegetables on hand so that if he decides to break the fast you are only about 20 minutes away from a nice vegetable broth.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Coco79 July 09, 2006, 03:11:59 PM
I have another question. You know how in this cleanse or the book says you are suppose to have 2-3 bowel movements a day, what if you don't? And also what if you don't lose weight on this. Or is it suppose to be slow? sorry for all the questions.

KZ
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC July 09, 2006, 03:50:34 PM
I have another question. You know how in this cleanse or the book says you are suppose to have 2-3 bowel movements a day, what if you don't? And also what if you don't lose weight on this. Or is it suppose to be slow? sorry for all the questions.

KZ

I would check my water intake and be sure to drink the herbal laxative tea at night. Follow the next morning with a water flush. When it talks about bm's, you aren't necessarily talking quantity, but you should see something as your body is ridding itself of toxins. If I didn't drink enough fluids, the tea would cause cramping. Check yourself for signs of dehydration and avoid it by consuming enough water.

If you feel that the weight loss is very slow, be patient. It will come. Also, check the amount of maple syrup you are taking in. He says that you can reduce this, and I did.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio July 09, 2006, 03:55:05 PM
I have just finished reading  through the Master Cleanse book by Peter Glickman and a few things about it troubled me.  At first, I really didn't think much of the cleanse in itself.  But as I read through the book I noticed he was way off on a few things.  So, if he is off on a few things, maybe he is off on this cleanse.  Obviously, it has worked wonders for some people, but I am still a little suspicious of it. 
I had talked to my sister, who is a nurse in training, and she says that when you do a no food/no protein diet you are not loosing weight at all.  You are losing muscle tone.  And that could cause problems later in life if done over and over again.  I must say I do agree, for when I went on this raw food diet thing for awhile a year ago, I lost so many inches around my body.  I thought it was fat, but in actuality it was my muscle.  As soon as I started eating meat again, I started to fill out in my figure.  Perhaps, I am wrong in regards to thinking this about the cleanse I don't know.  Maybe someone knows more than I do and can let me know what is going on here.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt July 09, 2006, 05:28:11 PM
I have another question. You know how in this cleanse or the book says you are suppose to have 2-3 bowel movements a day, what if you don't? And also what if you don't lose weight on this. Or is it suppose to be slow? sorry for all the questions.

KZ

I don't know if this matters, but I only went after the salt water.  Once that was out, I was done for the day.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt July 09, 2006, 05:30:51 PM
that when you do a no food/no protein diet you are not loosing weight at all. 

This isn't really designed to be a diet.  It's a fast to cleanse toxins.  The maple syrup and lemon juice are supposed to help keep your nutrients up while you are fasting.  Even doctors will agree that fasting is good for you.  It helps your body to take resources that would ordinarily be used up digesting foods and extra intake of toxins and diverts them to burning fat and releasing stored toxins from the fatty tissues.  Weight loss is just a bonus, or a beneficial side effect.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mrsnoah July 09, 2006, 05:51:02 PM
Hi, I'm kinda new here. I'm a 3 time pre-eclamptic ,(still have high bp) c- section mom of three preemies and I'm sure I need cleansed. I'm starting the MC tomorrow(monday) any advice from you pros at this. I am just starting the basic recipe in the book with no other type of cleanse first. what kind of toxic reaction can I expect?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Coco79 July 10, 2006, 04:27:33 AM
thanks for the answers. As i am progressing more on this cleanse, i have all these questions i probably should have asked before i went on it. like, Why ten days? also, even when i do take the laxative tea or salt drink, i still have no bowel movements. Is this normal or dangerous? I am having alot of mucus but that's about it. He also talked about mucus forming foods. I didn't see which foods he was talking about. Do you know which foods these are? Apparently i have been eating too much mucus forming foods.
 Thanks again from the question lady,
Karina
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt July 10, 2006, 08:43:08 AM
thanks for the answers. As i am progressing more on this cleanse, i have all these questions i probably should have asked before i went on it. like, Why ten days? also, even when i do take the laxative tea or salt drink, i still have no bowel movements. Is this normal or dangerous? I am having alot of mucus but that's about it. He also talked about mucus forming foods. I didn't see which foods he was talking about. Do you know which foods these are? Apparently i have been eating too much mucus forming foods.
 Thanks again from the question lady,
Karina

I think someone said in an earlier post that if the salt water isn't moving your bowels, you can adjust the salt up to another 1/2 to 1 teaspoon  more than you are already using.  You won't have a lot of output, but you should have some.  The salt keeps the water from going through your kidneys and redirects it through your intestines instead.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio July 10, 2006, 11:12:37 AM
For those on the master cleanse, I wrote to a distributor of maple syrup and asked him if they used formaldehyde in their production(something that Peter Glickman claims all do but organic maple syrup producers).  This is the email that he sent me back.  I found it interesting and of good use.   Seems to me that regular maple syrup may be just as usuable in the master cleanse as organic.





No, we do not use the formaldehyde pills in our maple trees. They were commonly used from the 1960's to the late 1980's but have since been banned for use in maple syrup production.

In NewYork state the formaldehyde pills are considered an illegal pesticide and their use is strictly forbidden by the department of ag and markets as well as the NewYork state maple producers association of which we are a member.

The "pills" were used to slow the healing process of the tree after it was tapped and they did work especially when using buckets as the taphole was more exposed to the elements when using buckets versus tubing. We have found with clean modern tubing systems the taphole stays open all season anyways and the use of pills would just be an added expense.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: KatieMac July 10, 2006, 11:22:34 AM
That's awesome information! I love getting the "straight dope" on stuff like that!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio July 10, 2006, 03:42:56 PM
That's awesome information! I love getting the "straight dope" on stuff like that!

No problem!  That is what this site is all about.  If you want to order cheap bulk maple syrup you can check out www.welchsmaple.com It is $36 for a gallon.  Let me know if anyone can find a cheaper one. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: jaemom July 15, 2006, 03:24:50 AM
Maybe this has been addressed, but I haven't read all 4 pages of this thread recently.  ;D Will the MC get rid of yeast?  Can I take Supermom, YA, and/or TTU while on the cleanse?  Is there something I can take or drink other than the laxative tea?  I'm not very fond of tea.  What if I can't find organic lemons?  I've looked everywhere and can't find them at the farmer's market, or our local produce stand.  Publix is the only grocery that carries a wider array of organic produce, and they didn't have organic lemons last time I checked.  I'm going to look again, but if I can't find them, would regular lemons work or would it be pointless?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara July 15, 2006, 04:18:21 AM
Rebekah said she didn't use organic lemons.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Chickory Chick July 15, 2006, 04:25:46 AM
Rebekah said she didn't use organic lemons.

I didnt use organic lemons either.  If you dont include the peel, it doesnt really matter that much!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom July 15, 2006, 08:57:54 AM
It's very important to have some BMs every day on this cleanse. You could take more of the laxtive tea in the evening or increase your saltwater because the lemon is loosening mucous and "junk" in your body and you should flush it out!
  Why at least 10 days? I would REALLY encourage you to stick to it past the 7th day. THis is when I started passing (TMI) :P Junk that had loosened in my colon or somewhere, this was after many saltwater flushes had not done it so I concluded the extra days were loosening it. I also passed some solid,  looked like pebbles about the 8th day. Once this solid matter started coming it kept on until 5 days after the I had finished the 10 day cleanse.  I just wrote this to encourage you to stick to it. I am so concerned now that I have more inside that I am thinking about doing some kind of colon cleanse.
 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: jaemom July 16, 2006, 04:57:20 PM
Will the MC get rid of yeast?  Can I take Supermom, YA, and/or TTU while on the cleanse?  Is there something I can take or drink other than the laxative tea?  I'm not very fond of tea. 

 :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt July 17, 2006, 06:05:47 PM
I am having alot of mucus but that's about it. He also talked about mucus forming foods. I didn't see which foods he was talking about. Do you know which foods these are? Apparently i have been eating too much mucus forming foods.
 Thanks again from the question lady,
Karina

i know dairy is, but not sure what else. 

Sugar and grease. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: RunAmokFarm July 24, 2006, 03:51:27 PM
OK, I have a few questions:

 ???I have read through EVERY single post on the Master Cleanse, up through July 17.   :o

I keep feeling very motivated to start a cleanse, however everytime I think I have found the right "cleanse" to start with, I find that I should start with a different cleanse first.  In other words, I wanted to start the Master Cleanse, but then read that it might be better to do a gallbladder/kidney cleanse first, then after going in to one of the sites linked, I learned that they recommend doing a parasite cleanse before any of the other cleanses...?

ARGH!!!  I just want to do something before I chicken out and lose my willpower.
 
I was thinking I would like to try the yeast assassin (to kill off possible parasites as well as yeast, but 6 months is recommended to be sure all the yeast and parasites are dead - so that would mean I should wait to do the other cleanses for about 6 months?!)

I am already tired a lot of the time, and am pretty sure I have parasites, yeast, and whatever other "ickies" possible - LOL.  I also checked out that Dr. Natura colon cleanse (which looks horrifying - but sounds like it works great?) but they are pricey and I am nervous about spending so much. 

We don't have a lot of $$ so I need to be sure to spend frugally and whatever I do buy really needs to work.  Do you think I need to do a parasite cleanse before trying the other cleanses??  We have always had animals, so if anyone has parasites, it would be me!  (Hoping I have an excuse for my poochy tummy - ha)  Any suggestions?

Jacque   
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: edlos July 24, 2006, 10:35:10 PM
 

I am new to this forum, and I have not read all the posts about the Master Cleanse yet- but I can tell you a little bit about the Dr.Natura colon cleanse products. I purchased them for Dh and I approx a year ago...but we did not finish them bc they taste TERRIBLE :P.

The kleri tea is very good though and does work as a mild laxative. It is the powdered drink mix and all the capsules that turned us off. I admit that we did not give it a fair run- maybe just 2 weeks of use-and it didn't seem to do anything amazing for us like the testimonials said.

I want to be fair though-so it could be just because we gave up too soon. Just thought that I would pass along about the taste -in case that is an issue for you-bc it is pretty expensive for the program ,for 2 people it cost us over $120. Pretty steep to just be collecting dust in my cabinets! :o If you mix it with apple juice it is somewhat bearable-so maybe someday I'll get brave enough to try it again :-\
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthnut July 25, 2006, 10:42:17 AM
...but we did not finish them bc they taste TERRIBLE :P.

 It is the powdered drink mix and all the capsules that turned us off. I admit that we did not give it a fair run- maybe just 2 weeks of use

I want to be fair though-so it could be just because we gave up too soon.

I used the Dr. Natura for three months and I loved it! It is very easy to use and does not inhibit your life.

Your daily routine is as follows:
Morning
Take 4 Paranil capsules with water
Wait 20 minutes
Take one scoop Colonix powder mixed with 6-8 oz of beverage of choice (I used Rice milk--couldn't stand water or juice)
 Immediately Drink 8oz of water
Eat Breakfast
Day
Drink 6 (8 oz.) glasses of water throughout the day
Evening
Before bed Drink the Kleritea

What you will notice is that you drink 8 oz of water after the fiber and your tea is made with 8 oz of water so most people only need to drink 6 more glasses during the day.

You only do this program for 3 months -- its actually about two weeks longer than that. The reason is you take one months worth then take a one week break and then do another month till you have completed the 3 months. The reason you take the one weeks break is to allow any eggs and larvae to hatch and grow then when you start the next months dose they will also be removed.

The website for this program is drnatura.com

Another alternative that is highly recommended by Shonda Parker (author of Naturally Healthy Pregnancy and Mommy Diagnostics) is the pbiv.com
They have several programs such as the Whole body, the Colon, The ParaCleanse, and several others. I have not tried any "yet" but plan too soon.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mrsnoah July 25, 2006, 11:09:09 AM
Does anyone know if i can just take Yeast Asassin and tummy tune up (and how long should i take it) to get rid of yeast? I also want to do the master cleanse. Can i do it at the same time?
-mary
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper July 26, 2006, 02:00:29 AM
Does anyone know if i can just take Yeast Asassin and tummy tune up (and how long should i take it) to get rid of yeast? I also want to do the master cleanse. Can i do it at the same time?
-mary
  Am wondering the same thing. Husband and i are planning on starting the cleanse on monday and want to order the yeast assassin, but want to know if i can take it during the cleanse?????????
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC July 26, 2006, 03:35:53 AM
Does anyone know if i can just take Yeast Asassin and tummy tune up (and how long should i take it) to get rid of yeast? I also want to do the master cleanse. Can i do it at the same time?
-mary
  Am wondering the same thing. Husband and i are planning on starting the cleanse on monday and want to order the yeast assassin, but want to know if i can take it during the cleanse?????????

During the Master Cleanse, supplements and additions to the cleanse undermine its purpose. This is a time for your body to release toxins rather than devote its reserves to digestion. Any extras -- whether honey, fruit, foods, supplements, nutrients, vitamins, etc. -- take away from the process. Adding things to the Master Cleanse could also create a sensation of hunger. One of the nicest aspects of the Master Cleanse is that you aren't hungry. However, he does say that herbal teas can be added as long as they are not substituted for the prescribed liquids.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mrsnoah July 26, 2006, 04:35:58 AM
I started the master cleanse again today-previously had done for 5 days and went camping -I just had to eat. I have no willpower.-This time I would like to do 10 days but I'm hungry!!!! The salt water is nasty- help!I am also taking supermom, ttu, ya and a blood pressure med. I so need to get off of that. My pb went up from preeclampsia and now won't go down. I'm also way overweight and so I need to do this!!!!
-Mary
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom July 28, 2006, 09:14:26 AM
I'm just bumping up Mary's question. Does anyone have any advise concerning her blood pressure med. and doing the master cleanse? 
  For the hunger part, you can drink as much of the lemon juice as you want, maybe for a change have some herbal teas for "meals". I noticed a difference if I didn't drink enough, I would get HUNGRY. So make sure you are having enough.
  To make the salt water bearable. I did only half as much with good results.It made me go several times so you could experiment to see if you don't need as much and then wash it down with some other liquid. Good Luck! :P
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl July 28, 2006, 09:37:42 AM
I'm not sure what your question is. The Cleanse should work fine with the BP meds, however, your BP will probably go down during the cleanse. It would be good if you can check it during the cleanse, and possibly ease up on the meds. Otherwise, I think it would be best for you to continue as your doctor advises you.

Drinking plenty does help with the hunger. I'd also recommend picking up with the Water Cure IMMEDIATELY following the Master Cleanse, and keeping up with it until you are down to your desired weight.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mrsnoah July 29, 2006, 09:26:13 AM
Thanks! I'm going  to try the water cure along with everything else and try decreasing the salt in the water. Also someone said lemon in the  water helps. I'm game to try!
-mary
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie July 29, 2006, 11:16:46 AM
I am breastfeeding and doing the watercure everyday for awhile now and eating pretty well.  No sugar very little grain.  I don't seem to be dropping any significant weight.  Is the water cure supposed to help with that? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mrsnoah August 01, 2006, 04:29:00 PM
RE: PEPPER- I found that if I drink my glass of lemonade and then add the pepper to the last inch of liquid  and swallow it down I don't even taste it.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: momof4boys August 03, 2006, 10:30:59 AM
Okay ladies I have a couple of questions.  My dh and I have been looking into this cleanse and he wanted to start it.  He started today.  He is aggrevated he has emailed me from work and said he has to go pee every 5 mins. and is very hungry. I thought he wouldn't have much hunger pain with this cleanse. So, what have we done wrong.  I measured everything out this morning exactly and sent him with a 1/2 gallon glass pitcher of the lemonade mix.  I know he needs this cleanse but hate for him to be miserable, especially since he has to work.  Can anyone help?  ???  Thanks, Deanna
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC August 03, 2006, 10:40:57 AM
Deana, he may need more maple syrup for his metabolism. If he is thirsty, he should be drinking water in addition to the maple syrup. If he is hungry, he should drink more of the lemon juice mix. It is designed to curb hunger. Little sips are okay. Tell him to be prepared for a toxin release and its effects in the next day or so. Hopefully, he will see them as a mile marker and be encouraged instead of giving up. It wouldn't hurt to tell him how brave he is and how you are noticing his muscles more since he decided to take care of himself and how none of the other husbands are so daring as he.  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: momof4boys August 03, 2006, 11:57:50 AM
Thanks SC,

he got home a little while ago and ran to go pee.   ;D
He said he guessed it really wasn't hunger pain just WANTING to eat.  He is already sick of the lemonade.  Praying he will stick to it.  Thanks Again, Deanna
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 09, 2006, 10:31:32 AM
My dh and i are planning on starting the master cleanse tomorrow, Lord willing. I am just getting over a nasty virus, fever, sore throat and very sore and achy neck and etc. I'm game to go for it anyway, feel like i especially need it after all the ibuprofen i took to just cope. Is there any reason i shouldn't after being so sick? I am better, but not 100% yet.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 10, 2006, 01:54:24 AM
Guys, wish me luck. Actually, no, say a prayer. We started the Master Cleanse this morning. I sent my beloved off with a water container full of lemon and maple syrup water and he took his quart of salt water to drink on the way. I'm excited to do this, anxious to see if we have any major die off reactions. My dh was totally into doing this so i'm very glad to do it with him. Have been mentally preparing ourselves for quite a while. It's not a big deal for my dh. he's fasted a week with just water a yr or so ago so at least this time he gets to have lemon and maple syrup. I'll keep you's updated....
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 13, 2006, 08:47:31 AM
We're on day 4 of the master cleanse. So far so good. My dh had a vicious headache the first 2 days but feels great now. I have more energy than ever and very little if any die off. Is that still coming or am i just lucky? ??? However, the biggest struggle is the desire to eat. The sitting down as a family, the cookouts, everything that goes with eating. My hunger pangs have been very tolerable, i just miss the experience of food. We're the kind of family that on the wknd. we cook as a family......We have a family gathering that we're supposed to go to, so we've decided to go 7 or 8 days and then go back to food in time for saturday. Can any of you seasoned fasters tell me how you broke your fast and how slow you took it?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 13, 2006, 08:59:58 AM
I've read that ending the Master Cleanse at 7 or 8 days is really bad as the toxins have been knocked loose but not flushed out. I'd recommend sticking with the full 10 days, even though I am totally sympathizing with you right now...  :'(

Isn't it funny how 75% of hunger is actually habit? That impressed me so much during my Master Cleanse experience. After about 10 days the habit is broken and there's a sense of liberation or peace where food is concerned. Like, it's an art to enjoy instead of a compulsive habit. I think that breaking the eating habit is one of the greatest benefits of any long term fasting.

Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: DawnsEarlyBirds August 13, 2006, 04:09:21 PM
I've read that ending the Master Cleanse at 7 or 8 days is really bad as the toxins have been knocked loose but not flushed out. I'd recommend sticking with the full 10 days, even though I am totally sympathizing with you right now...  :'(


Rebekah
Would it be good to start by doing some other detoxing first, like milder versions of detoxing such as the water cure (not the water only, but the water and salt along with regular diet) so that you don't flush out so many toxins at once?  My husband husband has been suffering for months with an issue and is finally so miserable he is willing to do almost anything.  We have done 3 liver cleanses, with very little results.  Now I am starting him on a strict regiment of 4 quarts of salt water a day, and we will see what that brings.  I just worry about too much flushing at once.  Is this reasonable?  We ordered the YA and TT the other day, so will start that as soon as they arrive.  We want to get rid of his problems, but let him function during the process.  Any advice?  And yes, Rebekah, this is the pastry cure guy! ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 13, 2006, 04:57:30 PM
LOL - yes, the Water Cure is a great, gentle way to start the detoxing process. If it were me, I would start with a month of Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tuneup while doing the Water Cure daily. After a month, I'd do a Liver Flush. Next I'd do the Master Cleanse, followed by another month of Water Cure, followed by Liver Flush #2.

Meanwhile I'd research specific health history issues to try to pinpoint possible physical conditions:

Antibiotics how often and how long ago?  (Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-up)

Pain killers?  (Water Cure, Liver Flush, and Omega Balance 3,6,9)

Any other drugs?  (Ditto...)

Sugar addiction?  (Yeast Assassin, TTUp, Water Cure)

Significant weight problem?  (Water Cure, Master Cleanse, possibly a Liver Flush, diet changes)

Poor Digestion?  (TTup, diet changes, Yeast Cleanse)

Any allergies?  (Diet Changes, Water Cure, Consider yeast problems???)


And so forth...  the Pastry Cure may not apply to all the above, but once good health is attained, the Pastry Cure is a great reward for the diligent cleanser... 8) 8)





: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 14, 2006, 01:51:25 AM
We've decided to go the whole 10 days. Yesterday was a tough one for me. I had terrible desires to eat. I was ready to call the whole thing off, but thank God i married one tough dude. ;D He said, " we came this far and we're not stopping now." I didn't do the tea saturday night or the salt water sunday morn. Didn't want to be sitting on the throne all morning and we had 45 min. to church....so i really wonder if that isn't why my cravings were so bad. Thanks for the input, beeyoutiful.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 15, 2006, 06:49:15 AM
Day 6, only 4 more to go. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still can't wait to start eating. Do i have food issues or what. I do think my desire for food is sloowwly starting to wane. I did up my salt intake this morning to full dose and also upped my cayenne, since i realized last night that i wasn't taking quite enough. Maybe that's why?????? Anyway, i would, in spite of struggling to not put the kids food in my mouth, or at least to just "taste" it,  :'( I would definitely recomend doing this. The feeling of accomplishment will be amazing and i have great energy levels. We're planning on going the 10 days.......thanks "beeyoutifulgirl" for the small kick in the behonkus, i needed it. ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 15, 2006, 06:53:39 AM
Oh, and i lost an average of a pound a day. Somehow i was hoping for more like 2-5 lbs. a day :o.....o well, i'm happy with that, since i didn't want to lose to much weight anyway. I think....
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 17, 2006, 05:34:11 AM
HI! 
     I'm annafogg1's daughter, and I had a question for  those of you who have successfully completed the 'Master Cleanse.'  In order to, er, 'perform' the cleanse properly, do you have to do the enemas?  Or can you get away without doing them at all?  I have to say that I'm more than a little hesitant to do any of those flushes; they don't sound very pleasent  :-\
     Also - I'm currently training and getting in shape for a winter highschool (yes! homeschoolers can compete with highschool sports teams! My family's been paying tax dollars for schools i've never gone to for years; it's about time we're getting some of that back) swim team - I swim laps for about 45 mintues several days a week, and I do yoga/pilates 5 days a week, as well as running for half an hour(and soon longer) 6 days a week, not to mention all the running around I do riding and caring for my horse every day.  I definately want to try the Master Cleanse, as I need to lose a good ten to twelve pounds in order to compete at the level I need to be at this November, but I'm worried that with all the working out I'm doing, not eating any food and not getting a lot of protein or vitamins from my food for ten days will really mess up my system.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Are there certain juices, herbs/teas or vitamins I can take to help supplement myself during this cleanse?  Can I get away without doing the flushes/enemas? 
     Thanks so much everyone! 
                           Jade~
PS - it may help to know that I'm 17...  i know that people at certain ages/stages in life need certain vitamins/minerals, etc more than others, just to help gear your answers toward my age group  :)

PSS - sorry so lengthy - you know I'm annfogg's daughter when you see a post this long  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 17, 2006, 06:41:24 AM
from annafogg1's daughter:
OK - i read quite a bit from the actual book (thank you thank you thank you for posting this!!!) , which basically answered most of my questions....  but about the spirulina (supermom) tabs - my dad took these on an empty stomach when my mom first bought them for us, and he was in quite a lot of pain!  I'm worried that if I take the tabs I'll get tummy aches :(  also, the Master Cleanse book says not to take any vitamin supplements while on the diet, but supermom tabs have vitamins in them, right???  I'm really glad I decided to read more of ya'll's posts!  This is really helping me; I wanted a way to lose all this weight really quickly (I was doing well a month and a half ago, between swim team and running 3 miles a day, even though I wasn't eating too well.... but I went to England and Paris for a month and ate terribly and gained back two/three inches that I'm now desperate to lose!), and I think I've found a way to do it, not to mention cleanse and revitalize my body in the process! 
thanks again! :D
Jade~
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 17, 2006, 10:51:58 AM
Go for it Jade. You'll feel incredible! I'm on day 8 and feel great. The only thing i'm disappionted in is that i didn't lose more weight. I lost about 5 or 6 lbs. I do have a day or two left so maybe the next 5 will come off. And i'm planning on keeping up the water drinking minus the maple syrup. I didn't take any vitamins, including supermom. I'll go back on them next wk. I know other people took them but i decided my body has enough to do right now without the pills, i guess whatever you feel is best for your body. Neither did i do any enema's. I sat on the toilet plenty without that. ::) and i don't have any major health problems, so i opted out of the enema's. The book does say you actually shouldn't do them but others have done them without problems..... follow your heart, or your gut. ;D Having said all that, don't be surprised if you crave food. Maybe it's because i have to cook for my kids but i can't wait to eat again. I thot by now i wouldn't care, and altho it's not near as bad as it was, i still can't wait. Maybe it's the family life that goes with eating, maybe i'm just really undisciplined. :P Keep us updated.
  My mil said that my fil went to the chiropracter and he said it's the best cleanse he knows of. That was a big encouragement to me. Just wanted to throw that in for the encouragement.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 17, 2006, 11:13:43 AM
Day 6, only 4 more to go. ..We're planning on going the 10 days.......thanks "beeyoutifulgirl" for the small kick in the behonkus, i needed it. ;D

HA! You're welcome - a few more days and your behonkus will be too small to kick - at least, with my aim  ;D!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 17, 2006, 11:45:37 AM
HaHA!! I wish...........Hey at least i know that i'll be cleaner, from top to bottom. ;D I was wondering when we break it, if we could substitute organic chicken broth that was cooked with vegetables and then strained, as compared to the vegetable broth? And how slow did you take it from there? And my dh was wondering if he could eat some fresh fruit as compared to drinking oj the first day?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 17, 2006, 12:36:50 PM
thanks for the encouragement diaperswyper!  My mom has already started to buy some of my 'ingrediants' - I'm gearing up to start my Master Cleanse on Sunday morning.  I feel so inspired by all of you wonderfully brave people who've stuck this cleanse out.  I am hoping to lose about ten pounds; with not eating anything and working out like I do that shouldn't be a problem..... i hope....  :-\ :) Even if I only lose 5 or 6, though, it'll still be a big step toward my goal!  I'll keep everyone posted during my ten day 'journey' :)
thanks!
Jade~
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 17, 2006, 12:44:17 PM
Good luck, Jade. I'm sure you'll do well, and it's a great mental exercise to fast that long...

Yes, I think chicken broth and fruits would be fine. I'd start right away the morning you break the fast with a probiotic, to make sure your stomach flora are up and going strong by the time the food hits.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 17, 2006, 12:47:54 PM
Thank you "Beeyoutifulgirl", i had just decided to try it and just follow what my body tells me.
 Jade, they say most people lose 10-12 lbs. and if you're exercising.......can't wait to hear how it goes!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 21, 2006, 02:37:48 AM
I have a question that maybe you guys can help me with. Is it safe for a diabetic to do this cleanse? My fil has been on the cleanse since last sunday and his sugar levels and blood pressure have been great the whole time. He has used black strap molasses instead of all maple syrup, which if i read it right, that's what he should do. He's also used some brown rice syrup. His chiropracter says he is definitely doing the right thing, but his doctor, who supposed to be a natural doctor,(of course she wants you to buy her products) is very upset! She says he should never have done it without her consent, even tho her assistant had told my mil that he should be fine. She says that when he comes off the cleanse he's going to have major liver toxin overload. The chiropracter says the salt water cleanse takes care of that, but the doctor had a FIT when she found out that he was drinking SALT water. Even tho it's natural salt. Should we be worried, should he do a liver flush aftet the cleanse? I know ideally he should have done one before the cleanse but...................my mil would like some advice. She said that they feel this doctor is being very controlling and yet they don't want to do something unsafe. Any help would be very much appreciated. He also has some heart issue, such as blocked arteries etc........................
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt August 21, 2006, 04:41:58 AM
He also has some heart issue, such as blocked arteries etc........................

I don't know about the cleansing, but I do know that liver toxicity is related to diabetes and possibly the artery problems.  Also, if he's got artery problems and diabetes, theres a good chance he's not getting enough omega fats in his diet.  I would really look into getting the  trans fats out the door and the omega 3s up up up.  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 21, 2006, 11:09:12 AM
From Jade:
Thanks for the encouragement BeeyoutifulGirl and Diaperswyper!!!  I'm on day two of my 'Master Cleanse' - things aren't looking too bad right now!  I'm not really hungry, and the only cravings I have are when I smelll the pizza the fam ate for dinner last night, or think abotu the yummy granola they had for breakfast.... OK - I really need to stop! lol.  It's not so much hunger; I just want to chew something - something with some flavor in it!  No headaches, and only minor tummy aches that only last a few minutes...

I went running this morning, rode my horsey, did my pilates workout - no shortage of energy, except during part of my run when I felt really tired, which I chalk up to the fact that I'm just getting back into running...  I felt really dehydrated, though!, which seems weird since all I'm doing these days is drinking.  My g-ma's an anastiesiologist (sp?), and she says that when you eat, your body converts the proteins and carbs into liquids for your body to use, so since I'm not actually eating anything, I need to drink more to compensate for that.  So I'm going to try and drink at least something every hour or so. 

The only real problem I'm having is with the cayenne pepper!!!  Any ideas on this would be really helpful.  I decided my first morning (yesterday, before church), to take a capsul of the cayenne pepper to get it down.  I didn't taste a thing...  "This isn't so bad", I though happily.  Boy was I surprised when in the middle of the 11 o'clock service my stomach started feeling like I'd swallowed several dozen hot peppers!  It felt SO HOT inside!  The feeling didn't go away for over hour...  Once home, later that day, I drank some in just an inch or two of the lemonade like someone else posted earlier, and the back of my throat burned!  I quickly swallowed some lemonade, and the burning went away quickly...  This morning did the same thing, except that fifteen minutes later my stomach started feeling hot again!  What do I do?  Do I just deal with the heat, take less cayenne more frequently?....  any advice will be greatly appreciated! 
I'll keep ya'll updated :-)
Jade~
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 21, 2006, 11:18:04 AM
About the cravings, just don't concentrate on food.  ;D O.k. i failed miserably on that one. I mean, i'm cooking for my kids and i'm not supposed to think about food? I had to repent because i became almost obsessed about food, so do your best to make yourself scarce when the pizza shows up, and you'll be fine.
  I took the cayenne in capsule form and i know all about the burning. What helped me the most was to drink at least 2 glasses of water with the capsule. It didn't take the burning away completely but helped majorly. Just wait til it exits........ ;D Happy slurping.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 21, 2006, 11:52:08 AM
Thanks diaperswyper - I'll try that!  I guess I can't always have my cake and eat it too, lol... 
Jade~
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio August 21, 2006, 03:31:59 PM
Am I the only one who enjoys that drink?  I love it! :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 21, 2006, 03:57:35 PM
I love it, too!  I especially like the maple syrup - it's so flavourful! (sp?)  I expect I'll be rather sick of maple syrup in another 8 days, but it tastes really good right now!  And I really like the lemons, too.  Ugg - i wish the family hadn't had spaghetti anbd garlic bread for dinner!  It smells SO good......*slaps self*  only 8 more days... just 8 more days...  you can do anything for only :) 8 days...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC August 21, 2006, 04:05:32 PM
annafog1,
One of the things I did when I experienced cravings those first 3 days or so was to make a list of the foods I seemed to most want. Since I wasn't really hungry, I interpreted this as a list of foods that I most probably had a sensitivity to if not allergies. It was an interesting list. Also, this was a time when I really noticed how much advertising is devoted to food consumption. What an eye opener!

Hang in there, we're pulling for you!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: nursegirl August 21, 2006, 04:55:27 PM
Is anyone else as wowed as I am that a 17-year-old is doing this cleanse?!  17!!!!  When I was 17 you couldn't have paid me to give up junk food and pop for 10 whole days.  Way to go, Jade, I am mucho impressed!

Sarah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio August 22, 2006, 02:37:33 AM
. Way to go, Jade, I am mucho impressed!


Good job, Jade!!  You got to rid yourself of all those tea and crumpets from England!!  ;D Hee he he!
If it makes you feel any better, you can come to our house during your fast.  With hubby laid off, we cannot afford good and appetizing food.  We are eating a lot of canned soup and such.  I suppose that would make it easier on ya.  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: annafogg1 August 22, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
From Jade:
:)Thanks for the koodos and encouragement everyone!!!!!  I'm kind of worried that I won't be able to finish it out now, though...  I felt a little tired yesterday, but not too bad; this morning and afternoon, though, I felt really, really 'energy-less' - I just wanted to lay on the sofa all day!  I got up from my nap around 3:30 pm to go work at a local horse farm that I help out at during the school year, and I just told myself to move around, and I'd feel more energetic, etc.  No such luck!  I walked a wheelbarrow with several bales of hay down one field a ways, and thanks to all water I'd had half an hour before felt the need for a 'potty' break, lol.  I didn't want to walk all the way back up the hill when I was going to be done in ten minutes, though!  So I decided to wait.  A minute or so later, even though it was 90 degrees out and sunny, I felt a cold flash roll over my body, and I could feel goose bumps on my legs.  I felt the same thing again five minutes later.  Not to mention I had a crampy tummy-ache.  After I relieved myself, I felt better, but wow - those cold flashses were pretty intense!
     So I'm hoping that tomorrow I'll feel better...  I've just felt so, so tired!  Maybe I'm not using enough lemon?  I know you're supposed to use about half a lemon per serving, but lemons are so expensive right now to be using four or five a day for ten days!  So I'm using only a little more than half of the perscribed dose...  I really would like to finish this out - I didn't start it just to stop now!  But I know I can't keep going through what I felt tonight - it was awful. :-\
     So that was Day3's update!   :)Jade~
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 23, 2006, 01:31:54 AM
Day 3 or 4 is often the worst. Hang in there if you can, if not, don't beat yourself up. My dh.'s first several days were really rough but on day 4 or 5 it completely cleared up and he felt great. I would definitely up the lemon if you could and make sure you're using enough maple syrup. I only got weak if i didn't drink enough. I'll be thinking of you and keep you in my prayers.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Hamama August 23, 2006, 03:28:45 AM
I am  on day 4 of the master cleanse! Day 3 was a little bit rough with wanting to eat, but no other detox symptoms so far. I have a few questions. 1. Can you make up a days lemonade at a time or do you really need to make it by the glass for the lemons and limes to have all the enzymes? 2. How often do you have to do the cayenne? It makes me really sick. 3. Is there another way to do the salt water as far as time of day? I work as a waitress and can't be making money from the thrown. I have only used the salt water on day and it was day 3 on my day off work. Any helpful hints would be great. Thanks for all the posts, they are so encouraging  when I am in the habit of eating more junk from dinner time on.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: jenrookle August 23, 2006, 09:12:09 AM
Hi,  Beeyoutiful girl,

One of your posts read:

Effective water treatment systems range from ceramic water treatment systems, like the British Berkefeld, Katadyn, and Doulton type filters, to multi-stage reverse osmosis. One of our favorite companies for water info and treatments is WaterFiltersOnline.com. Alot of their systems have two carbon filters, a seditment filter, and a charcoal filter. The water that comes out of these filters is just delicious! You drink way more water because it just tastes so good - and is so good for you."

I know this isn't a water thread (I'd definitely read and post if there was one) but what do you think about the Berkey Light system you sell on Bulkherbstore.   I was surprised you didn't mention this one....

I need to make a good water filtering decision soon, cleanse or no cleanse...


Thanks


Jenny
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: jenrookle August 23, 2006, 09:24:55 AM
How many types of water purification remove floride? I thought it was only reverse osmosis, but I would love to know other methods could to. We have a charcoal filter that removes chlorine, but I'm pretty sure ours doen't remove floride. We're still saving for a R.O. system. Our city prides itself on being the first in the country to put floride in the city water  :-[.

Hi, Dara,

I don't know about the rerverse osmosis system and whether it removed flouride, but I did want to tell you that i just emailed the a company that sells the Berkey Light water system  (bulkherbstore carries it too) and asked her a question about Chlorine and Floride.

 She said that the "black filters"  (the ones I assume come with the unit???(  willremove the chlorine, but  they will not remove the flouride
though. She said you  will need to purchase the flouride/arsenic filters if you wish to
remove that.

Even though you didn't mention the Berkey system, I just  wanted to pass on that bit of info  on what was required for removing floride in that system.  Maybe you need an extra filter or something to add to what you are planning to buy...


Jenny
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt August 24, 2006, 05:25:11 AM
I know this isn't a water thread (I'd definitely read and post if there was one) but what do you think about the Berkey Light system you sell on Bulkherbstore.   I was surprised you didn't mention this one....

Water Filtration Systems (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,474.0.html)
Spring water or distilled for drinking (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,356.0.html)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ~esposita~ August 24, 2006, 07:38:11 AM
Well, Hubby is on day 2 of MC - I wish I could join him, but I'm nursing  >:( Hopefully, this time, when I'm done nursing, I won't be pregnant!  :D Hah!!

So far, he is really tired, has the lack-o-coffee headache, yet is working away, as usual.  Hopefully, he will be more energetic soon...

From what I've briefly read, when he ends the MC, I should give him yogurt for breakfast, mayhaps a soup for lunch, and more soup for supper?  (He gets to eat again on his birthday...probably not a good idea to make him a cake, is it  ::))  Any other food ideas?

Thanks!
Licia
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 24, 2006, 10:14:22 AM
Jade , how are you doing? I've been thinking about you and wondering how you're holding up.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl August 24, 2006, 11:49:49 AM
How many types of water purification remove floride? I thought it was only reverse osmosis, but I would love to know other methods could to. We have a charcoal filter that removes chlorine, but I'm pretty sure ours doen't remove floride. We're still saving for a R.O. system. Our city prides itself on being the first in the country to put floride in the city water  :-[.

Hi, Dara,

I don't know about the rerverse osmosis system and whether it removed flouride, but I did want to tell you that i just emailed the a company that sells the Berkey Light water system  (bulkherbstore carries it too) and asked her a question about Chlorine and Floride.

 She said that the "black filters"  (the ones I assume come with the unit???(  willremove the chlorine, but  they will not remove the flouride
though. She said you  will need to purchase the flouride/arsenic filters if you wish to
remove that.

Even though you didn't mention the Berkey system, I just  wanted to pass on that bit of info  on what was required for removing floride in that system.  Maybe you need an extra filter or something to add to what you are planning to buy...


Jenny


The Bulkherbstore is run by a guy named Vladamir Robles. I have met him and his wife, Joy. However, I am not familiar with the what the Bulkherbstore sells, nor is it affiliated with Beeyoutiful.com or WellTellMe.com.
Bulkherbstore has licensed some articles from me in the past, and you may have read my name on their site because of that.

However, if they sell a water filter - it's probably pretty good. Follow the links listed by HB above to read more about recommended filters.

Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: jenrookle August 24, 2006, 12:33:44 PM



The Bulkherbstore is run by a guy named Vladamir Robles. I have met him and his wife, Joy. However, I am not familiar with the what the Bulkherbstore sells, nor is it affiliated with Beeyoutiful.com or WellTellMe.com.
Bulkherbstore has licensed some articles from me in the past, and you may have read my name on their site because of that.

However, if they sell a water filter - it's probably pretty good. Follow the links listed by HB above to read more about recommended filters.

Rebekah


(Oops, accidentally hit "post" above  without adding my own post, hence the mysterious duplicate above....I must be getting tired...anyway, what I meant to say was....)

Rebekah,

Thanks for the clarification on the bulkherb store...  I did think it was yours. 

Thannks also to Healthybratt for the links to the water filtration links.  I'm new to the site and still learning how to navigate around and search for what I need.  Thanks for your patience.

Gratefully,

Jenny
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie August 24, 2006, 01:50:50 PM
Not sure what day Jade is on but in reference to her cold flashes.  I have never done the Master Cleanse but I have done month long water fasts.  While on them I am unable to get warm.  I am cold from the inside out and nothing will do except a hot bath. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt August 24, 2006, 02:00:01 PM
Not sure what day Jade is on but in reference to her cold flashes.  I have never done the Master Cleanse but I have done month long water fasts.  While on them I am unable to get warm.  I am cold from the inside out and nothing will do except a hot bath. 

I got very cold for a couple of hours every time I drank the salt water up until an hour or so after using the bathroom.  I mean shivering, under the blankets, can't get warm - COLD!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie August 24, 2006, 02:20:51 PM
mmmhmmm, I hear ya!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper August 25, 2006, 01:29:15 AM
Didn't have that problem, but i've heard about it. I think i was still detoxing when i quit, so i'm considering going on a 3 day water fast. Any reasons i shouldn't?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC August 25, 2006, 02:43:45 AM
Regarding the cold flashes: I was easily chilled during my MC. However, I just used it as an excuse to not use the AC so much. We live in the HOT south, so I just played lizard and would sit on the patio in the sun to do any lap work or reading I had to do. I also noticed that 10 or 15 minutes a day in the sun made me feel great (not that I was feeling bad). I think the extra vitamin D was a plus.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ~esposita~ August 29, 2006, 02:44:40 AM
Any ideas on what to do with the leftover lemon peel?  We sure have a surplus of that!!  Maybe a lemony potpourri?  :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt August 29, 2006, 03:39:39 AM
Any ideas on what to do with the leftover lemon peel?  We sure have a surplus of that!!  Maybe a lemony potpourri?  :D

Shred it, dry it and use it in recipes like cheesecake - yum yum.   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio August 31, 2006, 12:22:03 PM
Okay, I just have a question about fasting in general.  Do we ever get to a point where we don't need to fast for a few years?  I am just wondering because my body gives me symptoms when I need to do a fast, and those symptoms happen about 3-4 times a year.  I have fasted and cleansed 3-4 times a year for the past three years or so.  You would think all that fasting would clear a person's body/colon out.  I am just wondering why a person's body would have so many toxins for so long. I AM SICK OF CLEANSING!!!! :P   But I hate the toxin overload symptoms.   Any suggestions or thoughts?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Hamama September 01, 2006, 12:44:23 PM
Has anyone had a delay in their monthly cycle after or while doing the master cleanse?
Just curious if it is a normal side effect....or just mine.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC September 01, 2006, 12:54:37 PM
Has anyone had a delay in their monthly cycle after or while doing the master cleanse?
Just curious if it is a normal side effect....or just mine.


Yep, 60 days MC = 12 wks no "Aunt Flo." Not so bad, really. When things resumed, I had NO PMS and a more regular flow -- instead of a heavy day followed by about 3 regular and then two light, it was more like about 4 or 5 days of a healthy rate and then OVER. Right now, my only symptom is that I get tired and go to bed early the day before I start. Nice.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mrsnoah September 06, 2006, 06:10:15 PM
has anyone else had diarrhea on the Master Cleanse? I am on day 3 for the third time of trying to start this thing and I have crampy diarrhea all the time. I probably went to the bathroom 25 times today. I'm kinda scared to leave the house :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper September 07, 2006, 01:00:43 AM
Yes, i had diarrhea on the cleanse. My dh would go in the morning once or twice and that was it but me........i didn't dare leave the house till almost lunch time. I figured it's part of it, my stomach can be a bit more sensitive. One thing, i think you could take less salt in your salt water in the morning. That should help, and sat night before church i didn't do the laxative tea or the salt water in the morning. I didn't have the "runs" but that was the worst day when it came to cravings. I had to wonder if it was because the toxins were swimming around in my system and i hadn't got rid of them.  ??? Hang in there. I got SO tired of staring at the bathroom wall, but i told myself, "this to shall pass." ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC September 07, 2006, 07:07:23 AM
If you are experiencing cramps, I would drink more water. I found that if I became dehydrated, I experienced discomfort.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ~esposita~ September 09, 2006, 03:32:45 AM
For the Recorrd:

2 1/2 wks ago, DH started the Master Cleanse.  By day...7?...he was over the "icks" and by day 9, he was ravenous.  When he was finally through with MC he went right into a Yeast Assasin Programe, which he is continuing.  He feels GREAT!  Where he used to be tired and drained all the time he is energetic and on the go now, until the evening when it is time for bed.  He (an me, too!) sleeps HARD now, and wakes us rested!  Yeah!!!  I have banished all white flour and white sugar (except for my Kombucha) from our house.  We actually don't even desire the junk, anymore!  Yesterday, I made some whole wheat muffins with honey - his first "carbs" in over 2 wks.  He overdid it just a bit (ate 3  ::)), didn't feel bad at all, but drank a qt of salt water (like on the mornings of the MC) to cleanse himself out this morning and he still feels wonderful.  On thursday nights, he works late with a bunch of guys at garage diagnosing and fixing problem cars; while they were all eating their messy white bread subs with fake cheese and fake meat, he was eating Lentil Barley stew.  The guys were all eyeing his stew with disgust...but 30 min later DH was working like a horse and everyone else was complaining of tummy aches!! 

All that to say this stuff really works!  Thanks to everyone for your advice, research, testimonies, etc! 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper September 09, 2006, 06:33:10 AM
So it's o.k. to do the salt water cleanse even if you're not doing the cleanse? I did the cleanse but sometimes i would like to do the salt water in the morning if i feel bloated and "full". Like i need to be cleaned out or something.................
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ~esposita~ September 09, 2006, 07:22:46 AM
So it's o.k. to do the salt water cleanse even if you're not doing the cleanse? I did the cleanse but sometimes i would like to do the salt water in the morning if i feel bloated and "full". Like i need to be cleaned out or something.................

I can't say if it is "ok" or not - my guess is that it ould be fine.  DH didn't have a problem...he actually felt great!  Again, just our experience  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper September 14, 2006, 09:32:30 AM
Ever since the fast i've noticed i feel bloated alot. Don't know if i always did and am now only noticing it since the fast, but what i'm wondering is, should i do a liver flush? I broke the fast the end of day 9, and i think maybe i was only then really starting to get rid of toxins. AAAAA, could kick myself, the thot of finishing myself while my dh started eating was more than i could stand, but i really wonder if i don't have stuff floating around in there. Any advice?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl September 14, 2006, 10:31:39 AM
Ever since the fast i've noticed i feel bloated alot. Don't know if i always did and am now only noticing it since the fast, but what i'm wondering is, should i do a liver flush? I broke the fast the end of day 9, and i think maybe i was only then really starting to get rid of toxins. AAAAA, could kick myself, the thot of finishing myself while my dh started eating was more than i could stand, but i really wonder if i don't have stuff floating around in there. Any advice?

Yes, sounds like your liver is full. A flush should empty you out.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie September 14, 2006, 10:36:37 AM
I may have asked this before but what kind of parasite cleanse would you recommend for someone nursing?  I want to to dthe live flush but am afraid to w/o a para cleanse after reading someone elses experience of cramping.  Is garlic enough and how much and how long? My natropath did say figs are a vermifuge and I do have some but again how much and how long?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kansas Girl September 14, 2006, 10:39:43 AM
So it's o.k. to do the salt water cleanse even if you're not doing the cleanse? I did the cleanse but sometimes i would like to do the salt water in the morning if i feel bloated and "full". Like i need to be cleaned out or something.................

I can't say if it is "ok" or not - my guess is that it ould be fine.  DH didn't have a problem...he actually felt great!  Again, just our experience  ;D

I have done the salt water flush while not on the fast.  It worked great for me ;D -KG
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl September 14, 2006, 10:47:27 AM
I may have asked this before but what kind of parasite cleanse would you recommend for someone nursing?  I want to to dthe live flush but am afraid to w/o a para cleanse after reading someone elses experience of cramping.  Is garlic enough and how much and how long? My natropath did say figs are a vermifuge and I do have some but again how much and how long?

Garlic is good, as are pumpkin seeds... I think there is a thread about pumpkin seeds for parasites...

As a kid, my mom would routinely do a parasite cleanse for the family about once every 3 years. It involved eating a cup of raw pumpkin seeds in a morning while fasting from other foods, and drinking a lot of juice to flush them out. The pumpkin seeds supposedly paralize the parasites. Two or three days later the same process was repeated, and then again two weeks later for any eggs that may have hatched.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie September 14, 2006, 10:58:39 AM
k. they need to be raw I guess?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: 4my3rascals September 15, 2006, 02:11:04 PM
I have a friend on day 9 of the MC.   She is going to do a liver flush.  The question I have is about the color of her stool.   On day 3 and 4 she spent a lot of time in the bathroom and her stool was clear.  Day 5 and 6 she had a lot of back pain.  By day 7 she was doing well again, but her stool is now dark again.  Should she continue with the cleanse until the stool is again clear to make sure everything is cleared out?   I need some people with a full 10 days to "clear" this matter up for her. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama September 15, 2006, 03:42:19 PM
I may have asked this before but what kind of parasite cleanse would you recommend for someone nursing?  I want to to dthe live flush but am afraid to w/o a para cleanse after reading someone elses experience of cramping.  Is garlic enough and how much and how long? My natropath did say figs are a vermifuge and I do have some but again how much and how long?
I'm the one who had the cramping and am now almost 100% sure it was a virus as the rest of the family has it too... So maybe you shouldn't worry....
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Simply Kristen September 16, 2006, 02:19:52 PM
As a kid, my mom would routinely do a parasite cleanse for the family about once every 3 years. It involved eating a cup of raw pumpkin seeds in a morning while fasting from other foods, and drinking a lot of juice to flush them out. The pumpkin seeds supposedly paralize the parasites. Two or three days later the same process was repeated, and then again two weeks later for any eggs that may have hatched.

It has also been mentioned that one can see their parasites in the toilet.

What do parasites look like?

Is this what YA takes care of also?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: 4my3rascals September 17, 2006, 12:11:31 PM
I have a friend on day 9 of the MC.   She is going to do a liver flush.  The question I have is about the color of her stool.   On day 3 and 4 she spent a lot of time in the bathroom and her stool was clear.  Day 5 and 6 she had a lot of back pain.  By day 7 she was doing well again, but her stool is now dark again.  Should she continue with the cleanse until the stool is again clear to make sure everything is cleared out?   I need some people with a full 10 days to "clear" this matter up for her. 
Does anyone want to comment on the color of the bowel movement by day 10?  My friend just started day 11, planning to go to day 14 then start the OJ, broth stuff to come off of the cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom September 19, 2006, 06:19:35 AM
  (TMI)   I started passing odd, dark solid stuff about the seventh day and it went on until several days after I was off the cleanse.  I figured the cleanse was loosening old stuff inside but I was ready to come off by the tenth day, so I just added extra fiber mix as soon as I started drinking the oJ and kept taking it for awile. 
  Then about a month later after my mom had some very spectacular :o results with Colonix,a colon cleanse program, I decided to try it and see if I was actually "clean"  and took it for a month but I couldn't see anything.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: DawnsEarlyBirds September 19, 2006, 02:17:08 PM


Garlic is good, as are pumpkin seeds... I think there is a thread about pumpkin seeds for parasites...

As a kid, my mom would routinely do a parasite cleanse for the family about once every 3 years. It involved eating a cup of raw pumpkin seeds in a morning while fasting from other foods, and drinking a lot of juice to flush them out. The pumpkin seeds supposedly paralize the parasites. Two or three days later the same process was repeated, and then again two weeks later for any eggs that may have hatched.


Just curious, did you see results from this?  Sounds easier and cheaper than other parasite cleanses.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: WithLoveAndJoy September 21, 2006, 04:03:18 AM
I saw this article today on foxnews.  What do you guys think?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214802,00.html
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt September 21, 2006, 06:07:43 AM
I saw this article today on foxnews.  What do you guys think?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214802,00.html
But the science behind the detox theory is deeply flawed, says Peter Pressman, MD, an internal medicine specialist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. The body already has multiple systems in place -- including the liver, kidneys, and gastrointestinal tract -- that do a perfectly good job of eliminating toxins from the body within hours of consumption.
This is assuming of course that you or your doctor hasn't been slowly poisoning your body with antibiotics, oral contraceptives, Ibuprofen, Tylenol, Lipitor and whatever other new fangled drugs are out there for everything under the sun. 

The air filter on my air conditioner works really well when it's clean, but when it gets overloaded the air conditioner doesn't work anymore and we have to take the filter out and rinse it off. 

If only it were that easy with our over toxified livers.

Then the point on gaining back the weight.  As far as what I've read, this diet was not designed for quick weight loss.  This was just a pleasant side effect, so if you don't already have a good diet in place than it would stand to reason that any extra weight lost during detoxing would return quickly once you resumed eating your toxic diet.

Just my 2 cents.

~hb
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Maria/NHM September 21, 2006, 06:16:36 AM
Well put!
Thanks HB

Maria
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: WithLoveAndJoy September 21, 2006, 07:53:42 AM
That was what I figured, I just wanted some opinions on why the article was biased.  Thanks for the input, hb!  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: tryingsohard September 22, 2006, 12:16:05 PM
Hi all!

I am on day 4 of MC.  I feel GREAT!  Which is really weird.  I went through all the usual detox stuff...headache, sore throat, yucky mouth (still dealing with that one...I brush constantly!) etc.  But, most of that is behind me.  And I am really starting to enjoy the lemonade...Cayenne and all! ;)

I am not a small gal...yet.  I was hoping by doing this I could not only reset my taste buds, but also my mind set.  I have a lot of "info" on healthy eating, I just could never get it done without the extra eating (re: gluttony)  I am hoping that I will be able to reduce the amount of me in the future.  I want to eat healthy, but I am was addicted to junk food.   

One weird, neat side-effect...I started my period today!  :o I have PCOS.  Meaning, I don't ovulate or have regular cycles unless I'm on some medication.   I haven't had one in 4 years without medical help!  I know some others on the list said they STOPPED that during the cleanse.  I think it's great, but I wanted to ask if you all though that was alright.  I know you're not professionals, but I would appreciate some feed-back.

Another great side-effect...I can't stop smiling or laughing!  Things that used to bother me, just strike me as funny now.  And I feel like I am smiling all the time.  ;D I guess getting the poison out of my system is uncovering the old me.  I thought she was gone forever, but I found her...at the bottom of a glass of lemonade.  :)

Thanks for reading the long post.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: amazonmama2five September 22, 2006, 12:58:11 PM
AMEN!!!  I really appreciate positive testimonies.  I want to do the Master Cleanse when I get done trading all my mercury fillings out.  Posts like this give me heart and courage.  Thank you so much for sharing  ;) :D :-*
Lisa
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ARmom September 22, 2006, 01:08:31 PM
Hi all!

I am on day 4 of MC.  I feel GREAT!  Which is really weird. 

Another great side-effect...I can't stop smiling or laughing!  Things that used to bother me, just strike me as funny now.  And I feel like I am smiling all the time.  ;D I guess getting the poison out of my system is uncovering the old me.  I thought she was gone forever, but I found her...at the bottom of a glass of lemonade.  :)

Thanks for reading the long post.
Girl, you encourage me.  DH and I are planning on starting MC  soon. I was considering using a ready made kit ( I'm lazy) I found it at www.humblebeehealth.com (http://www.humblebeehealth.com) I've not seen anybody else mention this site so I was wondering if any of you are familiar with it.  I realize that it is more expensive than putting everything together yourself but I am interested in ease and convenience.  You can order a kit for 2 people for $98 plus shipping.  It includes everything but lemons and water.  Just wanted to know what you think.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: tryingsohard September 22, 2006, 01:22:10 PM
 You can order a kit for 2 people for $98 plus shipping.  It includes everything but lemons and water.  Just wanted to know what you think.

To be honest, I think you could save your $98.  When I am hungry, which isn't very often, I take my Tupperware salad dressing mixer and squeeze in a lemon.  )there's small, so I use both halves).  Then I add 1 T of the maple syrup.  The recipe calls for 2, but I am not small, so I am trying to not use as much.  Then I put in a little pepper.  That used to burn a LITTLE, but now, I prefer the lemonade with it.  Then I add 8 oz of water, shake and gulp.  I don't sip on it, I just drink it down.  I can't imagine a kit would be any easier.  I went to a friend's house this morning and I took my shaker, measuring spoons, 2 lemons, the syrup, and pepper with me.  No big thing.  DH and I are getting to go out tonight, so I am going to make up a drink before we leave and pack a water bottle.

Thanks for the encouragement.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mishy September 22, 2006, 03:31:48 PM
One weird, neat side-effect...I started my period today!  :o I have PCOS.  Meaning, I don't ovulate or have regular cycles unless I'm on some medication.   I haven't had one in 4 years without medical help!  I know some others on the list said they STOPPED that during the cleanse.  I think it's great, but I wanted to ask if you all though that was alright.  I know you're not professionals, but I would appreciate some feed-back.

That is great!  I have a friend who had PCOS and couldn't conceive year after year.  She had a little bit of plumpness, but nothing major.  She changed her diet which resulted in weight loss which resulted in a baby!  Then 15 mos after that first baby's birth they welcomed another.  Makes me wonder how much of the PCOS is diet related. 

:) 

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt September 22, 2006, 04:14:20 PM
Another great side-effect...I can't stop smiling or laughing!  Things that used to bother me, just strike me as funny now.  And I feel like I am smiling all the time.  ;D I guess getting the poison out of my system is uncovering the old me.  I thought she was gone forever, but I found her...at the bottom of a glass of lemonade.  :)
That was very encouraging and uplifting.  Thanks for sharing.  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt September 22, 2006, 04:16:56 PM
It includes everything but lemons and water.  Just wanted to know what you think.
I paid $3 for some Grade A Maple Syrup at Walmart and $1.78 for a small container of Cayenne pepper and $2 for a lemon juicer at the grocery store.  The Master Cleanse book is attached to this thread in PDF format for free.  Sea Salt - I used the stuff from the Asian food market and paid $3 for it.  I didn't use any laxitive tea, but I would imagine it doesn't cost that much.  Double that for 2 people and it'll cost you $20 (plus the tea).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Asthedeer September 22, 2006, 07:29:30 PM
Hi all!  This is my first post on this site.  I am excited to be here and learn new things and maybe teach new things.  Anyhow, I just wanted to respond to what "tryingsohard" said in her post.   
You said something about going through the natural cleanse side effects like headache, sore throat, etc.  and I just wanted to tell you that I recently learned by doing a candida cleanse that the "natural side effects" are not a good/natural thing.  Your body is showing signs of toxic overload.                                                                                                              I did a cleanse by Dr. Jeff Mcombs, you can find out more on his website www.lifeforceplan.com, in his book he talks about why people get these types of side effects and if you take hot baths or go in a sauna while doing a cleanse these side effects will not happen.  I did a 4 month cleanse and did'nt experience any ill side effects because I did the hot baths almost every night and I never felt better in my life.  I hope all these cleanses work well for you all, I plan on doing more in the future as I am on a mission to lose over 100 lbs. and be healthy, I have about 70 more to go, ugh.  I know the Lord will get me through it!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom September 23, 2006, 03:33:26 AM
    Another encouraging side effect....I got my period about the 5th day of the cleanse, that was normal timing, but the exciting part was I had my first pain- free period that I can ever remember, which is saying allot. I usually can't make it through without taking pain reliever at least once.  Does this mean my pain is related to my diet?  Could someone give me some insight on this? My next period, to my disappointment was just as painful again, off the cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: tryingsohard September 23, 2006, 04:31:00 AM
Hi all!  This is my first post on this site.  I am excited to be here and learn new things and maybe teach new things.  Anyhow, I just wanted to respond to what "tryingsohard" said in her post.   
You said something about going through the natural cleanse side effects like headache, sore throat, etc.  and I just wanted to tell you that I recently learned by doing a candida cleanse that the "natural side effects" are not a good/natural thing.  Your body is showing signs of toxic overload.                                                                                                              I did a cleanse by Dr. Jeff Mcombs, you can find out more on his website www.lifeforceplan.com, in his book he talks about why people get these types of side effects and if you take hot baths or go in a sauna while doing a cleanse these side effects will not happen.  I did a 4 month cleanse and did'nt experience any ill side effects because I did the hot baths almost every night and I never felt better in my life.  I hope all these cleanses work well for you all, I plan on doing more in the future as I am on a mission to lose over 100 lbs. and be healthy, I have about 70 more to go, ugh.  I know the Lord will get me through it!

I am also doing hot baths every night.  So, I am not sure if I could have prevented the side effects.  But, I am no longer having them, so I am taking that as a good sign. 

What did you do for 4 months to cleanse?  I too would like to lose weight and be healthy.  I am so excited to see what God has in store for me through this!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: tryingsohard September 23, 2006, 04:34:10 AM
One weird, neat side-effect...I started my period today!  :o I have PCOS.  Meaning, I don't ovulate or have regular cycles unless I'm on some medication.   I haven't had one in 4 years without medical help!  I know some others on the list said they STOPPED that during the cleanse.  I think it's great, but I wanted to ask if you all though that was alright.  I know you're not professionals, but I would appreciate some feed-back.

That is great!  I have a friend who had PCOS and couldn't conceive year after year.  She had a little bit of plumpness, but nothing major.  She changed her diet which resulted in weight loss which resulted in a baby!  Then 15 mos after that first baby's birth they welcomed another.  Makes me wonder how much of the PCOS is diet related. 

:) 



I totally think PCOS is diet related.  Too many refined carbs and sugars!  You know everything in the grocery stores  ;).  I think it is a sign of the times I guess.  I've only gotten pregnant once without the help of medication of some form or another (I have 4 blessings).  We would LOVE to have more, but I need to get regular cycles going first.  I am hoping to do it naturally this time.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lydiaisredeemed September 24, 2006, 12:23:56 PM
what type of liver cleanse do you recommend?  I have been doing candida and colon cleanses and will be doing a parasite cleanse and heavy metals cleanse soon too.  However, I've never heard of the Master's cleanse.  Is it really all that drinking of lemonade with cayenne pepper? (ew.)  I don't think I could discipline myself to drink that stuff day after day.  how do you get it down??  The cleanses I've been doing are from www.renewlife.com, they are capsules that you take each morning and evening on an empty stomach.  have you ever heard of those cleanses and what do you think of them?  Does the Master's cleanse come in a capsule form?  I would do much better with something easy to take.  (I know it is probably not Fear Factor bad, but still...) :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: tryingsohard September 24, 2006, 02:14:11 PM
There is a link some where up on another post where you can download a booklet about the cleanse.  I was prepared for the worst!  I hate lemonade, maple syrup and then to add pepper...gross! :o But, I was ready to try. 

It was easy, cheap and I could start right away.  Three things that meant a lot in my decision.  The first couple of days, it didn't taste terrible.  By the third day, it tasted great!  I must admit, I am ready to do something different, but I'm not dying of hunger or boredom.  I am new to all of this, so I don't know about any other "cleanses" such as heavy metal, etc. 

My main priority for this was to reset my taste buds to like healthy food so I could eat better so I could get pregnant.  But, in the past 6 days, God has shown me what His main priority for me doing this was...to listen.  He's shown me some major sin issues...mainly food, but also making myself the center of my family.  I have repented and pray for release from these daily.  I know that I am going to get healthy.  Not just my body, but my heart too.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: maideninwaiting October 07, 2006, 12:01:37 PM
I am SO excited about trying this cleanse when summer comes (the only time I have 10 + days to devote to lemondade, BUT I have lots of questions!

1. I have NEVER done a cleanse. :( Other than changing my eating habits to healthier, more natural ones in the past couple of years and rinking LOTS of water (really, I drink water only except for juices occasionally and tea sometimes), I have not "cleansed" my body in any extra way. Will this *kill* me since I've never cleansed? Could I die from the giant parasites that are simply too large to pass?  :o

2. I've read about people doing "Extra things" like enemas and drinking salt water and teas.... Would this still be effective if I *just* drank the lemon/maple syrup/cayenne mixture several times daily for 10 days and do NOT do the enemas and salt water? I could do tea, I think, but afraid of enemas and salt water for now.

3. I have hypo-thyroidism. Is it okay to still take my normal medication for it during this cleanse? What about other oral prescription medications?  I mean will it not work while taking medicine, or what?

4. If I lose weight, will it all come back when I stop the cleanse? :( I find this almost unbearingly discouraging.  ;) I could handle some of it coming back- but if you continue to eat healthy, does some of the weight normally stay off?

5. Any herbs that should be taken with the cleanse? Or is it best to take nothing? Somewhere, I read you should take laxatives. Eeek.

6. What should I expect? Is passing parasites with this cleanse common? Is this really a "total cleanse"? I mean I know there are cleanses for designated "areas" inside the body, but is this a good general cleanse for me to begin with? I'd like to cleanse everything at once w/o killing myself too badly if that is possible.


I'm sure some of these questions have already been addressed somewhere. Please forgive me, but if you could copy the link here, I would be so grateful. Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama October 07, 2006, 01:06:43 PM
4. If I lose weight, will it all come back when I stop the cleanse? :( I find this almost unbearingly discouraging.  ;) I could handle some of it coming back- but if you continue to eat healthy, does some of the weight normally stay off?
There are so many factors in weight gain. Especially since you mentioned hypothyroidism I would guess that you are not getting the correct fats in your diet. Strangely enough low-fat diets often make a person fat. :o Even a healthy diet without enough of the right fats can keep you 20 lbs or so over the weight you feel good at. I am first hand evidence of this. Recently I incorporated more butter(coconut oil is ordered) into my diet and am trying hard to get soy and canola products out.BTW we haven't used hydrogenated products in years so it wasn't that. I am losing inches (not weight yet) and visible fat while eating the same amount/same kind of food and MORE calories. And in just a couple weeks!!! My basal temp is up a couple tenths as well making me wonder if my thyroid is doing better. It goes against what I was taught all my life, but the proof is on my waist ;D An excellent book to read would be EAT FAT LOSE FAT by Mary Enig and Sally Fallon. There are some excellent threads good fats etc. on this site too.
PS. Just want to add that there are MANY factors in weightgain and thyroid problems. I posted this thinking mostly of what I had just read and my experience. :-[ I am pretty sure that you can eat all the right fats and still have the above mentioned symptoms...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: maideninwaiting October 07, 2006, 05:23:10 PM
About the right fats- I have been eating palm oil/coconut oil quite a bit lately as well as including more raw fruits and veggies and organic meats and whole grains and legumes. I've lost 13.5 pounds since July by the grace of God!  ;D
Forever, I walked through a place where I was craving everything BAD and I could not get out of the horrible rut I was in for anything it seemed. But finally, I got serious with God and begged for His help and He heard. The cravings sometimes make a breif reappearance around time for my period, ovulation, or if I've broke over and ate an occasionaly "bad thing" at a restaraunt. My goal is to totally change my taste buds and cravings for God's glory and cleanse my body and be healthy, first for God's glory, 2nd to honor my future husband, and 3rd to prepare my body for amazing fertility, conception, pregnancy, and natural child birht...many times!  ;D

A question about drinking the salt water. I am utterly confused as to how it can cleanse you and help the bloated feeling when I've only known salt to retain fluid, rather than expell it. Help!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt October 07, 2006, 07:50:42 PM
A question about drinking the salt water. I am utterly confused as to how it can cleanse you and help the bloated feeling when I've only known salt to retain fluid, rather than expell it. Help!
This is just a theory, but I think that when you drink 32oz of water all at one time, your body can't retain it, so normally would expell it through your kidneys, but when you add the salt, either your kidneys can't process it, or your body recognizes it as food instead of liquids so it gets sent the other direction ;)  It's a very strong laxitive effect.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T October 08, 2006, 05:57:57 AM
OK, I've been reading a lot of this web site for the last two weeks...since I got my last NGJ and Beka suggested it.  I'm still a little confused about cleansing.  I know I have had  huge candida issues in the past and have them under some control but I'm sure there are some lingering effects that need to be cleared up before I do the master cleanse.  Can I do that without the maple syrup or should I do the water cleanse first?  I have many symptoms I always just thought were hereditary...allergies, asthma, eczema, arthritis, athletes foot...they are now all pointing to not having yeast under control. I am a basically healthy person with a huge sweet tooth and I had been on antibiotics for all those things in the past until I finally wised up and found out what they were doing to me.  I detoxed with high doses of Ester C after reading a book called Sinus Survival.  I realized how bad it had been when we got pregnant within a month...I had become infertile from all antibiotics and yeast!  In my opinion, good health insurance will make you sick!  You don't realize how much you depend on doctors and how little you use your common sense.  Anyway, where do I start?  I want to cleanse my whole family but start with me.  I had intended to just do and Epsom salt cleanse with fasting for a few days and then introduce only healthy, processed sugar free foods but now I'm wondering if there is more to it than that.  We're home today with sick kids due to allergies/sinus issues and this seems to be the one thing that hits us all a couple of times a year.  Any thoughts or detailed instructions?

Should I do the water with lemon juice and Cayenne alone?  Can I use Cayenne from the grocery spice shelf or does it need to be some kind of fresh stuff?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt October 08, 2006, 06:08:15 AM
Anyway, where do I start?  I want to cleanse my whole family but start with me. 
v

Check this thread.  It may answer your questions.

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: maideninwaiting October 08, 2006, 11:34:14 AM
I just went to the LGS thread and wow... I have a few of the symptoms. My mom has nearly all of them. My aunt has been diagnosed with Lupus and Fibromialgia (sp?) and I'm wondering if she could be cured by cleansing and taking the Yeast Assassin.

Anyway, my question at this point is this: Is it safe to take Yeast Assasin even if you're not sure you have yeast, but you do have some LGS symptoms and would like to get rid of possible parasites because you have cats   :-[ ?

I am thinking of ordering some when I order the bee pollen to prepare my body for the Master Cleanse I'm planning to do in Spring or Summer. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am still overwhelmed by the ocean of info here! WOW! :o

Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: maideninwaiting October 08, 2006, 11:43:18 AM
I apologize if this is the wrong thread to be asking about the yeast assassin, but there's so much info here, that I would literally get lost if I left this one little place. :(
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt October 09, 2006, 08:36:36 AM
I apologize if this is the wrong thread to be asking about the yeast assassin, but there's so much info here, that I would literally get lost if I left this one little place. :(
Yes, your question would be more appropriate in the LGS thread so others may benefit from your question and any posted responses.  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Nickole October 22, 2006, 08:17:48 AM

So my recommendation is: Do a Liver Flush. Two weeks later do 2nd Liver Flush. 1 week later begin Master Cleanse. End with 3rd Liver Flush. Two weeks later do 4th Liver Flush.

Also, MUST I do a parasite cleanse before this Master Cleanse if I don't seem to have any symptoms?

I believe the above regimen would be optimal for a total clean-out while protecting your organs from too much stress.  I'm also scared to get anything wrong but also anxious to do this but also there is so much info and variations that it is confusing! 





Rebekah, some questions:

Following the above recommendation, should those with no seeming gallstone problems bother with the grapefruit juice liver-gallbladder flush then?

Should I still do some epsom salt cleanses in between?

I am wanting to do this fast, but have no known health problems.  I want to get the most out of it but also not do anything unnecessary.

Thanks!

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbmama October 23, 2006, 05:56:42 AM
Could you guys please help ???!!!

I started the MC this morning and I did the Lax Tea last night (yuck), and this morning I got up to do the salt water flush and just threw it all up.  What did I do wrong?  I used 2 teaspoons per 32 ozs. of water.  It tasted like the ocean.

Do you think it would work as well with regular water without the salt?

Also, I disolved the salt in the water, would this make a difference?

Help,
Jen
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper October 23, 2006, 07:49:14 AM
  My first question would be, what kind of salt did you use? Make sure it's real sea salt, should look pinkish or maybe grayish, but definitely not white. I did not dissolve the salt in the water first, i just put the salt in water and drank immediately. I also started out with only one tsp. of salt and worked my way up. Take what you can handle and go from there. Best wishes.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbmama October 23, 2006, 08:17:17 AM
The salt IS white.  It is Frontier Herbs Corse Grind Sea Salt.  Does anyone know about this?

Jen
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC October 23, 2006, 08:48:37 AM
I use organic sea salt and mine is white also. No grey or pink stuff here.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: bendeleboysmama October 26, 2006, 12:00:12 PM
Hello All,
I wanted to post and say I'm starting the Master Cleanse today, I am a little nervous but reading through all your posts has been most encouraging.  I am praying through the entire time.  I tend to have hypoglycemia, but have a blood sugar monitor to monitor my blood sugars at different times of the day.  I am using stevia and black strap molasses in the place of the maple syrup.  I am praying that this will help.  I have noticed significant improvement of my blood sugars while doing the water cure.  I hope that kinda healed me enough to be doing this.  This kinda seems crazy to me.  Not eating for 10 days?  If any of you have more encouragement for me, I'd sure appreciate it.  Also, did all of you end the fast the same way as the instructions say?  I would be interested to know...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: faith November 01, 2006, 03:31:25 PM
 Today was my 30th day of the mastercleanse fast. I was still feeling awful. Headache and nausea. And I am so weak and tired. I followed the book completely. my husband and daughter made me break the fast tonight with beet tops, carrot, cucumber, apple and celery juice. I know you should start with orange juice then soup the next day then third day salad. Am I going to be okay. I won't hurt my heart with the beet top will I. I am kind of concerned. They say it is very important to break the fast a certian way. Have I hurt myself???
  Thank you for any input. Faith
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC November 01, 2006, 04:14:08 PM
Faith, I did the MC for 60 days. I don't think you've hurt yourself because you started back with vegetables. It would have been better to start with juice and broth. You might feel a little uncomfortable, but I don't see where these vegetables will do you any real harm.

Use the salt water flush if you get to feeling like you're carrying rocks and take it slow. Give yourself about 3 days to get back into a normal eating pattern and take cues from your body. I know the book recommends 4 days, but it was 3 days for me. I too resumed when I began to feel poorly. Up until that point, I was feeling GREAT and had a LOT of energy, so I understand how you might have been reluctant to go back to eating.

Congratulations! You've done well. Just keep drinking lots of water. Use the lemonade as you break the fast. Listen to your body and rest as needed.

Let us know how things go.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: yasmine November 02, 2006, 10:16:24 AM
hey SC,  :-* faith is my mom ;D now she was also concerned that she doesn't lose weight very easily , ever in fact well she loses a little  BUT when she does do stuff like this she loses serious  inches , I think thats normal dont you think, Is that what happened to you too or did you lose a lot of wieght. ?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: grc November 02, 2006, 10:20:58 AM
Has anyone broken the fast with a kefir fast?
It sounds good to me but I know some people continue the lemonade as they break and  lemonade and kefir sounds pretty gross to me.

Just looking for experienced opinions, I start my first MC next weekend, trying to plan.

Thanks,
GRC
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: DawnsEarlyBirds November 02, 2006, 10:48:07 AM
The salt IS white.  It is Frontier Herbs Corse Grind Sea Salt.  Does anyone know about this?

Jen
What research I did a short while ago seemed to indicate that the really good sea salt should not be white, the other good stuff in there, minerals etc. would have color to them.  AS I RECALL, some places pile up the salt, and let it sit and the minerals, etc. moved to the bottom of the pile and they used the white salt on top.  BUT, this is what I am remembering, not what I read today.  I went to the CureZone and followed links there to different salt sites.  As for us, we use the celtic salts which are grey and the Redmond or RealSalt which is pinkish.  I still have a bunch of the LaBalle sea salts left, but will not buy them in the future.

Salt is the topic of the week it seems, lots of questions being answered with USE SALT!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC November 02, 2006, 12:58:50 PM
On the MC, I would think more inches than lbs would be normal as it makes it possible to retain the muscle, causing you to lose fat. As far as the reluctant weight loss goes, that could be a sign of a sluggish thyroid gland. My 60 day only granted me a 30 lb or so loss. I think I have the same difficulty with some hormone imbalance thrown in for good measure. Have a look at the Hormone Imbalance: Causes, Treatments, Research (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2910.0.html) thread and scroll down for a list of symptoms of hormone imbalance. That thread is full of information that will help you find some natural treatments for the condition, if that is what is going on.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: barefoot November 04, 2006, 05:35:54 PM
Here's a couple question I feel dumb about asking but would like to know the answers to. I have been doing the salt cleanse several days a week and am now eating very lightly using the miracle cleanse, which by the way I think is delicious, throughout the day. Limes are on sale, Yippee! Today I awoke and started off the day with a liver cleanse, juice of 3 fresh limes, 2Tbs of cold pressed oil and two room temp. organic egg yokes. Later in the day while the gang was out hunting I did a warm water enema.--- ?'s gallstones and kidney stones- are they both passed through bowel movements? Also, how can I tell what is old hard round fecal matter verses a round 1 in gallstone. Sorry I am not meaning to be gross I just want to truly learn with this. How does on find the stones amidst the dark water. Do I really need to use a colander or netting?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: myheartishisthrone November 06, 2006, 08:27:52 AM
Hi everyone,
This is my first time posting anything, but I just wanted to say how wonderful this forum is. My DH and I are planning on doing a cleanse sometime very soon and I have been reading about the MC. I can't wait to show it to him.
God is so....good!! Thanks for all the information and the wonderful testimonies!!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mishy November 12, 2006, 05:46:26 PM
Here's a couple question I feel dumb about asking but would like to know the answers to. I have been doing the salt cleanse several days a week and am now eating very lightly using the miracle cleanse, which by the way I think is delicious, throughout the day. Limes are on sale, Yippee! Today I awoke and started off the day with a liver cleanse, juice of 3 fresh limes, 2Tbs of cold pressed oil and two room temp. organic egg yokes. Later in the day while the gang was out hunting I did a warm water enema.--- ?'s gallstones and kidney stones- are they both passed through bowel movements? Also, how can I tell what is old hard round fecal matter verses a round 1 in gallstone. Sorry I am not meaning to be gross I just want to truly learn with this. How does on find the stones amidst the dark water. Do I really need to use a colander or netting?

Kidneys filter your urine, so those will not come out in your bowel movement. 
I don't have an answer for the colander.  The stone looking things that I had floated, but they weren't stones, they were oil.   
I don't think you will get gallstones with the miracle? (do you mean master?) cleanse.  But I am not sure....

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: grc November 14, 2006, 01:52:58 PM
I'm on day 5 and feel great, its been rather uneventful and I'm impressed how well it is going.
 My question, I did Ya and TT for 6 weeks before and want to continue with them, when should I start taking them again, I plan to follow the recommended 10 days plus 3 day ease back into things day 4 being Thanksgiving ::) I know not the best plan but I wanted to get this done before the holidays.  Now I wish I had some opportunity to go longer if I want to but no such luck.


Thanks
Gina
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: grc November 15, 2006, 01:18:29 AM
bump
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: grc November 16, 2006, 09:11:36 AM
I'm on day 5 and feel great, its been rather uneventful and I'm impressed how well it is going.
 My question, I did Ya and TT for 6 weeks before and want to continue with them, when should I start taking them again, I plan to follow the recommended 10 days plus 3 day ease back into things day 4 being Thanksgiving ::) I know not the best plan but I wanted to get this done before the holidays.  Now I wish I had some opportunity to go longer if I want to but no such luck.


Thanks
Gina


Ok I'm on day 7 does anyone have an answer for me?
Thanks,
Gina
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Polly November 16, 2006, 01:21:27 PM
I did the liver cleanse yesterday and today (Becca recommended doing it before the master cleanse) and had very . . . uh, exhausting results. I tried to lay on my back all night to maximize my results (the instructions said to remain still on your back for at least twenty minutes) and slept til about 4 or 5. Then I woke up, and for what seemed like hours ( I don't know how long) I lay perfectly flat, unable to sleep, moving only from the knees down and the arms up. I could feel my "bile rising" (as they say in books--very literally!) and I was getting hotter and hotter, trying to remain on my back (that is so painful after a night of it!). Finally I couldn't stand it; I got up and went to the bathroom, and immediately threw up probably half of the potion from the last dose (olive oil). I was sweating and totally drained. Then I decided never mind the position; I'm going to curl up in my normal sleeping posture, and I finally got to sleep. Since then, all day I did pass some "stones" (thought they were very small), but I have been very weak and light-headed, and earlier was naseous.
When I told my sister about it, she remembered taking castor oil (or cod liver--can't remember) to bring on labor with her first child. It worked, but made her violently ill. She has some kind of oil or fat intolerance (or sensitivity) where her stomach just wouldn't accept the stuff. Thought maybe I have something akin to that, seeing that I did get the results (passed gallstones) even after I had thrown up half the oil!
SOOO . . . what do you think of that?? Is there something to dosage amount, or do you think I did it to myself by not sleeping correctly? It was not a pleasant experience!
My mom did it at the same time and felt fine . . .
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama November 17, 2006, 05:04:22 PM
When I told my sister about it, she remembered taking castor oil (or cod liver--can't remember) to bring on labor with her first child. It worked, but made her violently ill. She has some kind of oil or fat intolerance (or sensitivity) where her stomach just wouldn't accept the stuff.
That would be castor oil and it would make ANYBODY ill. It used to be a punishment for big bad boys-- a spoonful and you have intestinal cramps and diarrhea-- they'd rather behave... BTW I do not recommend this punishment... Castor oil brings on labor only if you are full term... and ready... ask if I know ::)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Avery November 18, 2006, 12:08:27 PM
Forgive me for just jumping in here but I just signed up.  I keep reading about the Master Cleanse but have no idea what it is?  Can you give me an idea where to look for this and other cleansers, what they are, and how to use them?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: bendeleboysmama November 18, 2006, 12:32:53 PM
Polly,
About your sleeping on your back all night!  You poor thing...I am not a back sleeper either and the 20 mins even seems like an eternity to me.  My first cleanse I only got little stones, my second was much better, 12 about the size of a hazelnut, and I'm just coming off my third...and there's only little stones.  They are all very dark green though.  Here are a few ways to try it again...
Sleep on 2 or 3 pillows with your head propped pretty good.  I only lay on my back as long as I need to and then lay as I please...I don't take the ornithine capsules so I don't sleep as GOOD as usual, but I do sleep good.  My guess is that you tasted the oil because the bile kept rising and that is what made you ill.  When I taste the oil I feel like urping too...I do follow my oil/grapefruit juice mixture down with a huge teaspoon on honey.  That makes all the difference in the world.  I go to sleep with a hot water bottle at my feet as well as on my abdomen to promote warmth and relaxation.  I have been fine the last 2 times and this is what I did.  The first time, I was really nauseous.  Another thing...have you done a parasite cleanse?  I haven't read any of your previous posts, but that might make you pretty sick if you didn't...Just my .02 cents...hope you try it again....
Mandi
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ~esposita~ November 20, 2006, 09:36:22 AM
I'm on day 5 and feel great, its been rather uneventful and I'm impressed how well it is going.
 My question, I did Ya and TT for 6 weeks before and want to continue with them, when should I start taking them again, I plan to follow the recommended 10 days plus 3 day ease back into things day 4 being Thanksgiving ::) I know not the best plan but I wanted to get this done before the holidays.  Now I wish I had some opportunity to go longer if I want to but no such luck.


Thanks
Gina


Ok I'm on day 7 does anyone have an answer for me?
Thanks,
Gina

Hey there, I just saw your post.  When my DH finished the Master Cleanse, he went right into YA and TTU the first day he started eating.  Granted, he didn't eat the same way as he had before he did the MC; he started right off with a "yeast" diet.  IMO, there wouldn't be a problem with taking them right away!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: petrimama November 20, 2006, 02:09:13 PM
Okay, I'm going to be nursing for the next year+, but when I'm done I would really like to do the master cleanse with several others.  My question is in regards to the coffee enema.  I NEVER have large amounts of caffeine.  A cup of hot chocolate is about my max.  Once my husband made me a cup of caffeinated tea and toast on my birthday and I could tell it was caffeinated after only 1/4 cup because it affects me so greatly.  So would it be wise for me to do a coffee enema?  My understanding is that the caffeine it the key to its effectiveness.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Thanks.        ~L
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt November 20, 2006, 02:19:55 PM
Okay, I'm going to be nursing for the next year+, but when I'm done I would really like to do the master cleanse with several others.  My question is in regards to the coffee enema.  I NEVER have large amounts of caffeine.  A cup of hot chocolate is about my max.  Once my husband made me a cup of caffeinated tea and toast on my birthday and I could tell it was caffeinated after only 1/4 cup because it affects me so greatly.  So would it be wise for me to do a coffee enema?  My understanding is that the caffeine it the key to its effectiveness.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Thanks.        ~L
Caffeine can effect you from the bottom up ;) as well as the top down.  The last time I tried this, I was running laps around the house.  ;D...and yes, it's the caffeine that stimulates the liver and gallbladder to squirt and cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: greenbean November 20, 2006, 03:11:44 PM
I think that in reading about the Master Cleanse, doing enema's is discouraged during the fast. Here is the link http://www.cyberclass.net/mastercleanser.htm where I read it. Has anyone else done enema during the MC? It seems like the morning dose of saltwater would be sufficient??? Don't know just asking :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T November 20, 2006, 03:58:01 PM
As far as the coffee enema is concerned, here is my own experience...I did them and I have a very high sensitivity to caffeine.  I haven't had much caffeine except chocolate since I became pregnant with my first 14 years ago.  I felt a mild sensation in my lower body but no real jitters or loss of sleep.  I even did one later in the afternoon and without a huge amount of physical activity afterward.  I'm sure everyone is differant but that was my experience.  I actually did 5 of them in a weeks time without doing the MC but with a water cleanse where I drank 3 16 oz. glasses of water an hour before each meal.  The high water content could have been flushing my system of the caffeine effect at the same time.  This all seemed to be quite successful for removing many of my Candida symptoms.  Of course the diet changed to no processed sugars and healthier food.  Two months later I'm still doing well and having some, mostly natural, sweets without the usual effects!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mexmarr November 28, 2006, 06:59:43 AM
Forgive me for just jumping in here but I just signed up.  I keep reading about the Master Cleanse but have no idea what it is?  Can you give me an idea where to look for this and other cleansers, what they are, and how to use them?

Just start reading at the beginning of this thread and you should learn everything you need to know!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 11, 2006, 02:09:20 PM
30 and 60 days????!!!   :o

I just started today...I will hang in there, thinking of you 2!   :-*

How were your results, BTW?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 11, 2006, 03:04:51 PM
Well, since I've joined the "No 'Poo" bandwagon, I figured it was time to try the MC.  ;D LOL

Thanks to everyone for your comments and questions...I hope to "find myself at the bottom of my lemonade glass", too.   ;D  I do feel a bit humbler.  That's always good.

Todays was Day 1.  I originally hoped to get to 10, but thought 3 attainable.  After reading SC's 60 day journey, and someone elses' 30...I was inspired!  I'm going for 10!

Headache today.  Drinking some catnip tea to sleep well, mixed in w/ some herbal vanilla/hazelnut tea.  Epsom salt bath helped. Look forward to SLEEP when I don't have to feel detox and think about food.  Boy, bread looked good today!   :-X 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 11, 2006, 04:19:47 PM
Headache today.  Drinking some catnip tea to sleep well, mixed in w/ some herbal vanilla/hazelnut tea.  Epsom salt bath helped. Look forward to SLEEP when I don't have to feel detox and think about food.  Boy, bread looked good today!   :-X 
By day 3 you won't care about the food and your detox should be minimal if not gone.  ;D  You'll get there.  Hang in there.  I'm waiting until after the holidays and then going to attempt it again and make it aallll the way - maybe I'll even do the month thingy, but I'll have to do alot of ahead food prep.  I have trouble planning meals when I'm going to eat them, it's even worse if I know that I am not.  (peanut butter and spagettios AGAIN?).   ::)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 12, 2006, 02:19:30 AM
THANK YOU FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT!     :-*

I did sleep and the headache finally left.  The salt water doesn't taste so bad this morning.   ;D Lots to rejoice in !! 

I keep waiting for that moment when the hunger pains leave...I keep hearing around Day 3.  This thread has been so good!


: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC December 12, 2006, 02:43:11 AM
A good rule to follow on the MC is that if you're hungry you should be drinking more lemonade. If you're having detox symptoms, you should be drinking more water. These things are your body's ways of telling you what it needs. A detoxing body needs more fluid to wash away the toxins. A hungry body is missing nutrients. The lemonade offers this.

Men may require more glasses of lemonade than women, but this isn't always true. We found that my husband requires more maple syrup in his lemonade than I do. I can get by easily on less than half of what his system requires . . . And his body STILL does a more effecient job at detoxing and burning fat. HURMPH! >:( :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 12, 2006, 03:06:02 AM
As they say in the U.P.:  Hey!

Thanks for the morning encouragement, you 2 anchors of WTM!   ;D

Good things to remember...hunger = more lemonade, and detox = more water! 

Time to feed my hunger!   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper December 12, 2006, 03:53:19 AM
   Just wanted to throw my .02 in. I did the MC and my desire for food never went away. It wasn't that i was having hunger pains but i just wanted the fellowship of food. I never realized how much my life centers around food.  ::) Pretty humbling. I think it made it much worse because i was cooking for my kids and i have my afternoon tea ritual etc. Didn't bother my dh. near as bad. I would actually kind of like to do it again. I never had detox symtoms so i wonder if i need a second round.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 12, 2006, 04:08:43 AM
I was wondering...in an Above Rubies article earlier this year, they mentioned lemons and how they were good for alkalinity, etc.  One thing noted was that one should use a straw to drink beverages w/ fresh lemons b/c it's hard on our tooth enamel.  Anyone have a response?

I, too, am realizing the HABIT of eating (like bread crumbs from a bagel...caught myself going to eat them!), and how life centers around it.  Very humbling to fast/cleanse. 

Down 4 pounds and no unbearable symptoms, yet.     ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T December 12, 2006, 08:15:11 AM
My dentist tells me that the acid in citrus DOES eat away the enamel on your teeth.  It wears it away and gives more chance to cavities.  They also said in order to keep this (and to keep away dark drinks that stain your teeth) from  happening, you should drink them through a straw.  Now I tried this and noticed that I still want my tasty beverage to be tasted and so I guess I kind of "hold" it in my mouth for a few seconds and it reaches my teeth anyway.  So for me it is a catch 22,  it's futile to use a straw for the sake of the liquid not touching my teeth and if it's water, who needs a straw. 

Anyone else's oppinion would be welcome if I really need to be using a straw!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 12, 2006, 09:10:57 AM
My dentist tells me that the acid in citrus DOES eat away the enamel on your teeth.  It wears it away and gives more chance to cavities.  They also said in order to keep this (and to keep away dark drinks that stain your teeth) from  happening, you should drink them through a straw.  Now I tried this and noticed that I still want my tasty beverage to be tasted and so I guess I kind of "hold" it in my mouth for a few seconds and it reaches my teeth anyway.  So for me it is a catch 22,  it's futile to use a straw for the sake of the liquid not touching my teeth and if it's water, who needs a straw. 

Anyone else's oppinion would be welcome if I really need to be using a straw!
I have very sensitive teeth and eating a lemon slice makes my teeth hurt, but drinking the lemonade didn't bother me.  I would think drinking it normally would be better than swishing it for the taste and besides, tasting food contributes alot to the triggers that makes a person feel full.  If you can't taste it, you'll be hungrier.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 12, 2006, 10:33:06 AM
A couple more thoughts....

About the vitamin C comment deficiency awhile back...wouldn't the lemons have sufficient Vitamin C? 

Trying some limes today--cheaper...4 for $1 versus .79/lemon.

Seems like my tummy is growling more today!  Grocery shopping is tough.   :P

Skin on face seems clearer...rashes seem to be easing up on their irritation.  I started this w/ my monthly cycle...don't know if that makes any impact on the whole thing.  Bit more irritable...

I think I'm halfway through to my 1st goal of 3 days.  Whoo weee!  ;D  I've never fasted this long...made it a day twice, but....1st time I haven't been PG or nusing in about 7 years, so this is the time to do it! 

Anyone see the link/site where Beyonce did the Master Cleanse and lost weight for her movie?  Interesting.   8)  I'm cool like her now.   8)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 12, 2006, 03:21:42 PM
Well...time for my update.   ;D

I MISS EATING!  :(

Hunger was greater today and some cramping tonight, but that was it.  I hope this is working!!!

Granted, I wasn't totally depraved in my eating patterns, pre-MC, but, still...I expected a greater detox response.  Maybe my cayenne in capsules is not as effective as if it'd had been in the lemonade directly? 

I think I can, I think I can...make it 10 days....if I don't buy OJ to break the fast w/ , maybe I won't be tempted.   ::)

My daughter and I have a Christmas Tea Party Friday...PRAY I won't eat or get into silly excuses!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 12, 2006, 03:45:16 PM
Anyone see the link/site where Beyonce did the Master Cleanse and lost weight for her movie?  Interesting.   8)  I'm cool like her now.   8)
Yeah and then she gained it all back and bad-mouthed the diet. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 12, 2006, 03:46:15 PM
I think I can, I think I can...make it 10 days....
Don't try to make it 10 days.  Try to make until the end of today and then start over tomorrow.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 13, 2006, 03:17:12 AM
Thanks for the sage reminder to take 1 day at a time.   :)

I have great energy and my family keeps saying I look different (in a good way).   ;D

I think my Eppie baths help, too.

Hard to serve food w/o tasting it, but the cravings were less this AM!

Thanks again for encouraging me!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 13, 2006, 04:37:31 PM
Just my nightly check-in.   :D

I'm thankful for the lack of headaches...some cramping, but otherwise, OK.  Still hungry on and off.  Good time of year, in a way, to do this...lots of distractions and the joy of the season.  Even though the food is everywhere.   :P

Can't believe I'm at the end of Day 3.  As long as I don't buy the OJ to break the fast, m/b I won't be tempted to quit early!

And of course, as we begin a new book to read aloud w/ the children, what is chapter 1 called?  "Pancakes & Cream Puffs"!!!   :o  So...as part of our themed week of "bread" for school, we'll make some tomorrow.  I wonder if they freeze well.   ::)  I already froze some banana bread from earlier this week!   :D

Glad for a place to log this!  Thanks everyone!

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 14, 2006, 02:29:35 PM
Ho Hum, here I am again...the seemingly ONLY person here on this crazy thing! ;D

C'mon guys...join me--it's really better than being pregnant, I realized!   ;D  MUCH better!

Day 4:  Liking the results...reviewing the many posts, I think the hot Eppie baths are helping w/ detox...no furry tongue or sore throat or skin eruptions...down 8# so far.    :o

Tomorrow will be the halfway mark...I think I can, I think I can!

Keepers at Home Tea Party, though.  Hmm...maybe I'll take a plate and just feed it to Alaina!  I don't trust myself to talk about what I'm doing...too tempting to toot my own horn!   ::)

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hsink December 14, 2006, 03:13:45 PM
You can do it  ;D  ;D  ;D
I did it over the 4th of July (why I picked a holiday weekend with dh home and lots of picnics...oh well) and it can be done even when everyone around you is socializing around food.  Keep at it!!! Great to hear how it is going  :D
Holly
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio December 14, 2006, 03:28:49 PM
Ho Hum, here I am again...the seemingly ONLY person here on this crazy thing! ;D

C'mon guys...join me--it's really better than being pregnant, I realized!


I am hypoglycemic, so it didn't work for me.  Made me kinda sick.  :(  Otherwise, I would!!  Good luck!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom December 14, 2006, 03:51:38 PM
I am hypoglycemic, so it didn't work for me.  Made me kinda sick.  :(  Otherwise, I would!!  Good luck!

Try taking licorice root. It treats LBS, works quickly for low blood sugar attacks & nourishes the adrenal glands. Use the reg. caps, NOT the DG kind. Maybe this will help if you want to do a cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio December 14, 2006, 03:58:11 PM


Try taking licorice root.

BLECH!!!  :P I hate licorice root with a passion!!  :D  But I love licorice flavored candy.  No, seriously, thanks for your suggestion.  If I get desperate enough, maybe I will consider it.  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 14, 2006, 04:04:40 PM
You can do it ;D ;D ;D
I did it over the 4th of July (why I picked a holiday weekend with dh home and lots of picnics...oh well) and it can be done even when everyone around you is socializing around food. Keep at it!!! Great to hear how it is going :D
Holly

Thanks, Holly!  Glad to know someone else survived the holidays.   ;D

It's actually a bit fun--to see what I can pass over.  I keep thinking,"Just wait until I can eat...I will have SO much self-control!".   8)  I hope I don't sink back into bad habits...like jalapeno poppers, egg rolls, and Ben & Jerry's Karmal Sutra (sp?) for date night w/ my husband.   :P

I guess I'm the Lone Ranger for awhile until someone else discovers this thread.   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom December 14, 2006, 08:42:02 PM
BLECH!!!  :P I hate licorice root with a passion!!  :D  But I love licorice flavored candy.  No, seriously, thanks for your suggestion.  If I get desperate enough, maybe I will consider it.  ;)

You & my DH would get along great, he hates licorice root AND licorice candy too. ;D How about capsules? You wouldn't taste it that way. ;) Even DH will take it that way & he can be stubborn about taking anything. (But I love him anyway ;D ;D) If you can figure out a way to take it, it would really help. NON DG licorice is the best herb there is for hypoglycemia and exhausted adrenal glands- the two go hand in hand, if you have one, you have the other. It can be used for LBS attacks & reg. use balances blood sugar because it's healing to the pancreas & nourishes the adrenal glands. It's the only herb I know of that does both. I also have hypoglycemia & it's very helpful (but I bet you figured that out already ;)).

Maybe you could add small amounts of protein to your cleanse & drink smaller amounts of lemonade more often? It wouldn't be as effective as the full cleanse, but it would be better than no cleanse at all.

I'm thinking about doing a cleanse after the first of the year because I may be traveling next week & need to wait until I get back. If I do, I will have to deal w/the LBS issue too so I will let you know what happens. HTH ~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper December 15, 2006, 02:57:56 AM
You can do it ;D ;D ;D
I did it over the 4th of July (why I picked a holiday weekend with dh home and lots of picnics...oh well) and it can be done even when everyone around you is socializing around food. Keep at it!!! Great to hear how it is going :D
Holly

Thanks, Holly!  Glad to know someone else survived the holidays.   ;D

It's actually a bit fun--to see what I can pass over.  I keep thinking,"Just wait until I can eat...I will have SO much self-control!".   8)  I hope I don't sink back into bad habits...like jalapeno poppers, egg rolls, and Ben & Jerry's Karmal Sutra (sp?) for date night w/ my husband.   :P

I guess I'm the Lone Ranger for awhile until someone else discovers this thread.   ;)
   Go, YooperMama, go!!!!! I didn't have a computer for a day so didn't check this thread out. I think you're doing a great job, almost makes me want to do it again.  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio December 15, 2006, 03:49:32 AM
How about capsules? You wouldn't taste it that way.

He he hee!  I don't swallow pills, either.  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mexmarr December 15, 2006, 04:56:42 AM
How about capsules? You wouldn't taste it that way.

He he hee!  I don't swallow pills, either.  ;D

I used to not be able to swallow pills, either.  Then my brother taught me how to relax and  tuck my chin down instead of lifting it up.  Now I can down 5 large capsule at once without giving it a thought!  8)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio December 15, 2006, 07:57:38 AM



I used to not be able to swallow pills, either.  Then my brother taught me how to relax and  tuck my chin down instead of lifting it up. 

Okay, so explain exactly how to do this!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Simply Kristen December 15, 2006, 08:13:22 AM
How about capsules? You wouldn't taste it that way.

He he hee!  I don't swallow pills, either.  ;D

1 Try putting water in your mouth FIRST. (Don't swallow water)
2 Look up
3 Put pill in mouth (it will go back into the water)
4 Swallow

That is the ONLY way I can swallow pills. I didn't figure this out until my late teens.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl December 15, 2006, 08:45:59 AM
I have a couple questions for all you Master Cleanse experts.  I am hoping to wean my 17 month dd soon after the first of the year in order to do some cleansing before my next pregnancy.  I am planning on doing the Master Cleanse, and I would also like to take YA to finish clearing up some yeast issues.  Herein lies my question - Would it be counterproductive to take YA at the same time I am drinking maple syrup every day?  I know that other people have used stevia in place of the maple syrup, but I would be nervous about doing that.  That would mean that I would be getting no calories & no nutrition for the duration of my cleanse.  I do have to have the energy to still take care of my dh & 3 dds!  :D  Should I just wait to start YA after I am finished with the cleanse or go ahead & do both at the same time?  Has anyone else had experience with using stevia in place of maple syrup?  How did you feel?  Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mexmarr December 15, 2006, 08:49:24 AM



I used to not be able to swallow pills, either.  Then my brother taught me how to relax and  tuck my chin down instead of lifting it up. 

Okay, so explain exactly how to do this!!

First, take a beep breath.  (or 3-4 if that is what it takes to relax).  You need to consciously make sure sure your shoulders, neck and chin are relaxed.  This will come naturally with no effort in time.  Put the pill(s) in your mouth and look down a little.  Sort of like you are looking about your tabletop level.  Your face will be more relaxed in that position.  Then take a drink and swallow.  You may need to look up a little to get your drink, but look back down to swallow.  

When my brother told me this, I thought that he was crazy.  Then I tried it.  I know that it sounds a bit complicated, but I don't think twice about it any more.  And it doesn't take any longer.  I used to gag down one pill, and sometimes half them first.  Recently, I started capsuling my barleymax powder, and it takes quite a few capsules to equal what I would mix in a drink.  I will literally swallow 5-6 "00" capsules (the big one) no problem.

I hope this helps you!  The key is relaxing!!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom December 15, 2006, 09:14:39 PM
HealthyinOhio~If you don't swallow pills, I guess you could hook yourself up to an I.V. ;) But then too, what would you put in it? ??? Standard glucose isn't healthy, so what could you put in instead? :-\ Let's see...garlic? no-too much odor :P...onion? no-still too much odor :P ...honey? no- too thick & feeds fungus :(...GSE? -it doesn't smell & wouldn't clog the tubing if it was diluted but then too it wouldn't do a thing for your blood sugar  :( Oh well, I guess you'll just have to skip it.  ;) ;D Poor, poor, healthyinOhio, she can't have an I.V.  :'( :'( :'(

Mexmarr~My DD just tried your method- she said it made it much easier to swallow a pill & says to tell you thank you.  ;D

~herbalmom

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio December 16, 2006, 03:32:03 AM
HealthyinOhio~If you don't swallow pills, I guess you could hook yourself up to an I.V. ;)



Actually......I had a few nutritional IV's done a couple years ago at an alternative medical practice.  It was great!!  I never felt better.  It was a mega dose of vitamins, intravenously.  But at $70 a pop, not very frugal!  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 16, 2006, 03:56:20 AM
Good morning!   ;D

I am entering Day 6 of the MC.  Still can't believe I haven't eaten in almost 6 days!   :o

Down 13 pounds..am now below my wedding weight!   ;D  Woohoo!! 

Added "Smooth Move"   8) tea last night instead of my Herbal Fiber Blend for cleansing and I could tell the difference in "movement".   ;)  Some slight cramping, but I'm really feeling great! 

Made it through the tea party w/o grandstanding about this (a real accomplishment for vain me)  :-[  You all supporting me helps to "boost" me w/o seeking praise from others.

So thanks, again! 

Oh!  Had another funny dream about eating... ;D  I caught myself eating food in a restaurant and was horrified to realize that I accidentally broke my fast!   ;D  can't even enjoy food in my dreams, I guess.  LOL   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara December 16, 2006, 04:19:01 AM
I've had dreams like that too! That's funny!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom December 16, 2006, 04:23:23 AM
HealthyinOhio~If you don't swallow pills, I guess you could hook yourself up to an I.V. ;)



Actually......I had a few nutritional IV's done a couple years ago at an alternative medical practice.  It was great!!  I never felt better.  It was a mega dose of vitamins, intravenously.  But at $70 a pop, not very frugal!  ;)

Maybe I should try them. I've had chronic fatigue the past several years due to fungus. My health is improving but "wiped out" should be my middle name. :P But at $70 a pop, it's not going to be in my budget anytime soon. Are you sure you don't want to join me for a garlic & licorice root I.V.?  ;) ;) We could kill fungus, balance our blood sugar, & keep the vampires away- all at the same time!  ;D Talk about multi-tasking!  ;D ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio December 16, 2006, 06:37:54 AM
Are you sure you don't want to join me for a garlic & licorice root I.V.?  ;) ;) We could kill fungus, balance our blood sugar, & keep the vampires away- all at the same time!

Might as well add some coconut oil to it to loose weight while we are at it!!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 16, 2006, 05:28:05 PM
OK, enough w/ the cheery posts.  >:( The gloves have come off.  (But I wish they wouldn't b/c I'M SO COLD!)   :D

I'm finishing Day 6 and sleep is eluding me. I'm itchy and irritable.  I misread the numbers and have "only" lost 11 pounds, not 13.   :(

I pulled out my lone fasting book, something called, "Fasting for Health", I think.  Read some encouraging things about the benefits of fasting.  That's helped.

Now I have some tea and I'm plowing through the Homogenized Milk/Dairy Products thread (14 pages!) to see if there's any link b/w my children having pasteurized dairy productsand having behavioral/sleep troubles. 

I am determined though, to finish this and then go to a fruit/veg diet for as long as possible. It seem soooooooo easy after this!!   ;D

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 17, 2006, 04:00:54 AM
::)
OK, I was a bit down last night.   ::)  Today is better.   :)

I sure don't need sleep like I used to.  No naps this week, I wake up early, go to bed on time or late...good hard sleep, though, for the most part.

Am I get ready for some big 7th-8th day detox purge? I seem to recall that some posted that they really got rid of some stuff then, and not to quit before Day 10...I don't plan to!   ;D

Noticed my tongue last night--yellow and coated...yuck.  I guess I was expecting that.  Why else do doctors ask you to stick out your tongue and say, "Ahh"?  I think that they just don't know what it means anymore!   ;D

Down 12 pounds.  Can't complain about that, even though I know some will come back.  Going back to fruits and veggies for awhile should help.  I'm glad that "tempting" food isn't really appealing to me...just some good veggie soup, or homemade bread...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 18, 2006, 01:11:06 AM
Day 8 !  :o

Well, I'm in the homestretch.  This has been quite a ride. So many wonderful benefits to this cleanse andfasting, in general.  I am getting 6 hours of solid sleep and getting up refreshed--that's huge.  Haven't done that since maybe h/s or college.

Discovered yesterday that straining my lemonade makes a huge difference.  ;D I had been tossing the lemons into the Vita-Mix w/ the water and maple syrup (sometimes ice)...lots of pulp and seeds   :P...now I have pulp-free lemonade and I rather like it!  I could maybe imagine a 30 day fast.

Skin is breaking out in spots where I had eczema bad as a child--behind knees and in elbows. Eppie baths followed by almond oil and herb salve help.  Can I just add that washing one's face day and night w/ herbal soap and putting on almond oil does amazing things??   ::)

Thanks again, WTM MC'ers!   ;D ;D :-* :-*
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T December 18, 2006, 03:58:34 AM
Tell me about this herbal soap and oil...does it help with eczema on a regular basis or is it just refreshing to you because of the cleanse?  I have eczema on my face that looks like I'm 14 and starting to break out.  Good for you on the cleanse!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 18, 2006, 04:53:23 AM
Tell me about this herbal soap and oil...does it help with eczema on a regular basis or is it just refreshing to you because of the cleanse?  I have eczema on my face that looks like I'm 14 and starting to break out.  Good for you on the cleanse!


The soap is made by Superior Herbals out of Minnesota...no detergents in it...I think any good, natural soap would do...it's really the almond oil that seals in the salve and moisture for me...I wear gloves at night, too.  I find that my skin troubles reflect what I've been eating/drinking   ::)...it's how my body detoxes red food coloring: rashes.  Have you read the Eczema threads?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 18, 2006, 04:59:34 AM
When one puts cayenne powder in capsules, one should remember to WASH one's hands, immediately!   :o

I can't tell you how many times I've put my fingers to my eyes and regretted it...like taking out my contacts?  EEE--YOW!   :o :'(

My lips are burning a bit, too...maybe extra residue.  ? 

Oopsie!  Back to basics in hygiene, I guess.   ::) :-[
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mexmarr December 18, 2006, 05:28:20 AM
When one puts cayenne powder in capsules, one should remember to WASH one's hands, immediately!   :o

If you think that hurts.... just don't pick your nose....   :o That is REALLY bad!!!!!

YooperMama, Congratulations for sticking it out so long!  You are doing awesome!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 18, 2006, 06:04:59 AM
When one puts cayenne powder in capsules, one should remember to WASH one's hands, immediately!   :o

If you think that hurts.... just don't pick your nose....   :o That is REALLY bad!!!!!

YooperMama, Congratulations for sticking it out so long!  You are doing awesome!

Thanks for the laughs and encouragement! I will remember that!   ;D  LOL 

If anyone would have told me that I would go even 2 days w/o food, I would have laughed so hard.  I was the child who snuck into our basement freezer to eat Little Debbie Brownies (you know, the domino-looking ones in the cellophane wrapper w/ little nuts on top)...not just 1, but like 3 at a time!   :o  High school athletics kept me trim (135 at 5"6) at graduation, but college brought me up to 150, and 3 babies volleyed me in and out of the 160s.  I maxed out at 220 w/ pre-eclampsia w/ my 1st born...so much water weight.  YUCK!   :P

I started eating healthier in 2001 and have made adjustments little by little.  This is my first cleanse, though.  I've only fasted for 24 hours a few times in the past.

Can't wait to see how it goes transitioning back to food!   8) :)

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl December 18, 2006, 08:50:13 AM
I have a couple questions for all you Master Cleanse experts.  I am hoping to wean my 17 month dd soon after the first of the year in order to do some cleansing before my next pregnancy.  I am planning on doing the Master Cleanse, and I would also like to take YA to finish clearing up some yeast issues.  Herein lies my question - Would it be counterproductive to take YA at the same time I am drinking maple syrup every day?  I know that other people have used stevia in place of the maple syrup, but I would be nervous about doing that.  That would mean that I would be getting no calories & no nutrition for the duration of my cleanse.  I do have to have the energy to still take care of my dh & 3 dds!  :D  Should I just wait to start YA after I am finished with the cleanse or go ahead & do both at the same time?  Has anyone else had experience with using stevia in place of maple syrup?  How did you feel?  Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me!

Bump
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: visionarymom December 18, 2006, 11:23:22 AM
I think it was healthybratt who did the master cleanse using stevia. She had to quit after 3 days (I think). Said she had no energy. That may be somewhere earlier in this thread, can't remember cuz it was a while ago I read it. Maybe you could pm her and ask.
vm
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 19, 2006, 02:25:04 AM
Day 9

Well, having some unusual symptoms as I wrap up this cleanse.  My face feels/looks slightly like it's been sunburned.  :-[  Anyone else have this?  ???

I've been itchy, too, and my skin burns where I've scratched too hard.   :(

Down 14 pounds but getting discouraged b/c I keep reading about how 1/2 of that comes back.  The weight loss and result have definitely been a jump start to eating healthier!  I want to maintain/continue to eat healthy (fruits and veggies, whole grains, raw milk) and lose more weight.  It's nice to be in the 140s again--hello Old Friend!   ;D

Looking for that dancing banana on mothering.com...Finishing this calls for it!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 19, 2006, 05:35:16 PM
Day 10 is almost here...?s about breaking the MC: 

When:
Do you go by signs of readiness/detox complete (tongue coating disappearing, clear movements, hunger returning, etc..) or just by the 10 days being up?

How:
How do you return to solids?  The recommended OJ is too high in sugar for me...fruits, raw veggies, soup?  What did you all do?  I miss grains and veggies, but want to keep it simple for awhile...and raw, preferably. 

Thanks again!   :-*
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom December 20, 2006, 03:39:59 AM
Are you sure you don't want to join me for a garlic & licorice root I.V.?  ;) ;) We could kill fungus, balance our blood sugar, & keep the vampires away- all at the same time!

Might as well add some coconut oil to it to loose weight while we are at it!!  ;D

HealthyinOhio-I cracked up when I read you post Sat. & I do need to lose weight. ;D I started to answer you Sat. but got distracted. :-[ So far we've got garlic, licorice root, & coconut oil. If we add more to the mix we could make a fortune selling WTM "health restoring" I.V.'s ;). Of course, all the ingredients would have to to be WTM approved. :) Lets see...ALL of Beeyoutiful's nutritional products & pro-biotics; kumbucha; other fermented foods: GSE; GOOT; healing herbs; vanilla (thanks vanilla man); raw dairy; ginger; flax; sea salt: DSS (not too much of the salts); coll. silver & I'm sure there is more. ;D Come to think of it, all of the ingredients that are anti-bacterial would have to be given separate from the rest or it would kill off the pro-biotics so we would have to offer a 2 I.V. kit. Of course, we would have some marketing problems-the I.V.'s would look AWFUL :P & smell WORSE. :o So do you want to join me? ;) ;D We can achieve financial independence for our families & our husbands will be able to retire early. ;D ;D ;D~herbalmom

YooperMama- Your doing GREAT. ;D I plan to do a cleanse next month & I hope I do as well. As far as solids- how about lots of sprouts & veggie juices? HTH~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: berthday December 20, 2006, 05:36:22 AM
So after New Years I would like to do this cleanse and wanted to clarify some things. You only drink the lemonaid,salt water, and NO FOOD ??? Is that correct?? Thanks so much!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 20, 2006, 05:49:09 AM
Hello Berthday!   ;D

You got it right..no solid food!   :o  But you can do it...here's something I mentioned earlier:

If anyone would have told me that I would go even 2 days w/o food, I would have laughed so hard.  I was the child who snuck into our basement freezer to eat Little Debbie Brownies (you know, the domino-looking ones in the cellophane wrapper w/ little nuts on top)...not just 1, but like 3 at a time!   
  :o

The lemonade and maple syrup are your fuel and the lemons stimulate to release toxins.  The cayenne is your heat (I put it in capsules), and the laxative tea (I recommend Smooth Move by Traditional Medicinals--good taste and herbs included to help reduce cramping) helps moves things out (like the salt water does.).  I added other herbal teas (no caffeine) like Almond Sunset, and mint to help w/ the cramping...that gave some diversity to flavor.  Really, your appetite does go away like they say, after the 1st couple of days.


You can do it!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 20, 2006, 04:36:09 PM
I have a couple questions for all you Master Cleanse experts.  I am hoping to wean my 17 month dd soon after the first of the year in order to do some cleansing before my next pregnancy.  I am planning on doing the Master Cleanse, and I would also like to take YA to finish clearing up some yeast issues.  Herein lies my question - Would it be counterproductive to take YA at the same time I am drinking maple syrup every day?  I know that other people have used stevia in place of the maple syrup, but I would be nervous about doing that.  That would mean that I would be getting no calories & no nutrition for the duration of my cleanse.  I do have to have the energy to still take care of my dh & 3 dds!  :D  Should I just wait to start YA after I am finished with the cleanse or go ahead & do both at the same time?  Has anyone else had experience with using stevia in place of maple syrup?  How did you feel?  Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me!

Bump
It's not recommended to do the Master Cleanse if you have yeast problems.  It's better to deal with the yeast first if possible.  After a few months of healing the gut (even possibly a year), the Master Cleanse might be a good way to top it off.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 20, 2006, 04:39:25 PM
Day 10 is almost here...?s about breaking the MC: 

When:
Do you go by signs of readiness/detox complete (tongue coating disappearing, clear movements, hunger returning, etc..) or just by the 10 days being up?

How:
How do you return to solids?  The recommended OJ is too high in sugar for me...fruits, raw veggies, soup?  What did you all do?  I miss grains and veggies, but want to keep it simple for awhile...and raw, preferably. 

Thanks again!   :-*
If I thought I could make it another day, I'd keep going until I got all my extra weight off.  The author of the book recommends 8 days.

Returning to solids after fasting should be easy to digest foods like broths, gelatin, juice, & yogurt.  If you tolerate this okay, then graduate to fruits and veggies to give your tummy something to knaw on.  If your tummy does okay, add meat, grains and regular dairy accordingly.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl December 20, 2006, 05:27:42 PM

It's not recommended to do the Master Cleanse if you have yeast problems.  It's better to deal with the yeast first if possible.  After a few months of healing the gut (even possibly a year), the Master Cleanse might be a good way to top it off.
[/quote

I have been working on yeast issues for a while now, but would like to give them the final heave-ho before I get pregnant again.  I would really like to cleanse to get all of the yucky stuff out of my system from years of abusing my body with the SAD & all kinds of chemicals.  I'm sure that I won't have a lot of time in between weaning & getting pregnant again.  Now I'm not sure what would be best to do.  I have been doing the water cure most of the time since August.  Should I go ahead with the Master Cleanse or not?  Thank you HB for your help!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 20, 2006, 05:57:10 PM

It's not recommended to do the Master Cleanse if you have yeast problems.  It's better to deal with the yeast first if possible.  After a few months of healing the gut (even possibly a year), the Master Cleanse might be a good way to top it off.
[/quote

I have been working on yeast issues for a while now, but would like to give them the final heave-ho before I get pregnant again.  I would really like to cleanse to get all of the yucky stuff out of my system from years of abusing my body with the SAD & all kinds of chemicals.  I'm sure that I won't have a lot of time in between weaning & getting pregnant again.  Now I'm not sure what would be best to do.  I have been doing the water cure most of the time since August.  Should I go ahead with the Master Cleanse or not?  Thank you HB for your help!
If most of your symptoms have gone and you've changed your diet to include probiotics to repopulate your gut then the Master Cleanse might not be a bad idea for getting ready for pregnancy.  I wouldn't recommend stevia.  I think the syrup tastes weird (just me) but I think it's a necessity.  I nearly keeled over on day 4.  I had no energy and my blood sugar levels may have been off (don't know for sure - I don't monitor - only going by symptoms).  Anyway, do it the right way or don't do it at all.  If you begin to have symptoms of yeast during the cleanse then you may want to begin your yeast regimin immediately following the cleanse.  I don't have any experience in this area, but I don't think I would take the supplements during the fast.  The more stuff you put in, the more has to come out.  This makes extra work for the body, but this is just my opinion.  I wish you luck.  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl December 20, 2006, 06:42:05 PM
Thank you HB!  I have been eating right & taking probiotics for a while now.  I will probably do the Master Cleanse & then take YA after.  I just want to be at my healthiest when I get pregnant again.  It makes me so sad when I think of all that I pumped into my three dds during pregnancy & nursing before because of lack of knowledge.  I have learned so much & changed my life so much since discovering NGJ which in turn led me here.  Thank the Lord for new mercies every day!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom December 20, 2006, 07:53:36 PM
  I wouldn't recommend stevia.  I think the syrup tastes weird (just me) but I think it's a necessity.  I nearly keeled over on day 4.  I had no energy and my blood sugar levels may have been off (don't know for sure - I don't monitor - only going by symptoms). 

I wonder if honey would work? ??? It might taste better. Just a thought. ~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: StephTallent December 20, 2006, 08:12:08 PM
  I wouldn't recommend stevia.  I think the syrup tastes weird (just me) but I think it's a necessity.  I nearly keeled over on day 4.  I had no energy and my blood sugar levels may have been off (don't know for sure - I don't monitor - only going by symptoms). 

I wonder if honey would work? ??? It might taste better. Just a thought. ~herbalmom

Honey might be better but I doubt it would work as well as the recommended Grade B Maple Syrup.  The experts on the Master Cleanse emphasize again and again the importance of using Maple Syrup due to the high mineral and vitamin count in it.  I've talked to several people who have used various substitutes to the Maple Syrup and every one of them have had to quit the cleanse early and gotten very depleted while on it.  It is probably possible to make it the full minimum of 10 days while using a substitute but I believe it is a lot harder on your body.

I tend to be overly cautious and "Play by the rules" when doing major cleanses like the Master Cleanse because anything that has the power to help your body as much as it does also has the ability to cause serious harm if done incorrectly.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 21, 2006, 03:34:53 AM
Thank you all for your time and thoughts!   ;D

I have made it to Day 11!  (Now where's that dancing banana, and how does it load?!)   ;)

I think I'm going to continue it, day by day, depending on my symptoms (still have coated tongue).  I went to this place:

http://www.therawfoodsite.com/forum/archive/index.php/f-9.html

Where there are pages and pages of threads and posts on the MC.  Peter seems to moderate it, from the rawfoodsite.  Here are a couple of things I found...

Cayenne pepper is such a wonderful herb, I want to share a great web page explaining its virtues. Some people wonder what it does in the Master Cleanse. Here's some information.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cayenne.htm

And learned some new (disappointing things)...like that I probably shouldn't have used the whole lemon (pulp was like food and kept my stomach from "hibernating")...I think I started straining for taste on Day 7.  The pulp also keeps hunger going.   :(  :

Using the whole Lemon is not a good idea. This is a type of fast which basically means that only the liquid processing parts of the body will be used.

The reason that a fast gets "Easier" after/around the 3rd day is the stomach starts to move into a type of hibernation mode and sort of shuts down its processing. Any morsel of solid food will keep this from happening or turn it back on if it was already down. This causes excess acids and hunger pains, etc...If you research Juice Fasts on the net, you will find that most of them highly recommend straining the juice so no pulp whatsoever can get thru for this reason.

And about the tongue coating:

http://www.therawfoodsite.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-147.html

I'm sure I'll be back to post some more results!   ;D

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 21, 2006, 04:56:13 AM
I have made it to Day 11!  (Now where's that dancing banana, and how does it load?!)   ;)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/banana.gif)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 21, 2006, 05:40:00 AM
I have made it to Day 11!  (Now where's that dancing banana, and how does it load?!)   ;)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/banana.gif)

THANK YOU, HB!!!   
:-* :-* :-*

I finally "earn" the dancing banana and I couldn't get it to load!   :P

Now I feel like I have properly celebrated the 10 day cleanse!  ;)  :D

Yee haw!

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 22, 2006, 03:49:01 AM
Day 12:

I'm still going...decided that I may not have another chance to do this for awhile (hoping to have more children next year).  I hope to make it a few more days...I'll watch the tongue for signs.  Had a sauna last night...ah...the Finns are good for that!   ;)

So....I found some delicious Dessert Teas by CS at our local co-op...Almond Sunset, English Toffee, Vanilla Hazelnut and my old favorite, Good Earth...all herbal and caffeine-free...no artificial anything.  They help make the day a bit more pleasurable.   8)

My sister's hoping to do this after the New Year...my parents are intrigued, I think...they've all noticed the 14 pounds I've lost.  I like that.   :P

I went to get some more capsules and cayenne from bulk at my co-op last night...I bought the super hot cayenne...95,000 units of HEAT!   I feel all warm inside!   ;D   Maybe I'll start glowing like Rudolph!   ;D





: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt December 23, 2006, 06:58:11 AM
I went to get some more capsules and cayenne from bulk at my co-op last night...I bought the super hot cayenne...95,000 units of HEAT!   I feel all warm inside!   ;D   Maybe I'll start glowing like Rudolph!   ;D

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/images/reindeer.gif)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 24, 2006, 04:02:31 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/images/reindeer.gif)

Hey--you are lot of fun!  :D Thanks for tracking my progress, HB!   :-*

Day 14 and the distractions of the season are keeping me from dwelling on my "plight".   8)  I'm getting used to this and it seems "weird" to eat now.  Almost like I'd be breaking a rule, or something.   :-X

Not sure how long I'll go, still.  I'm not drinking as much lemonade as I think I should be, but drinking "safe" tea.  I skipped the salt water one AM b/c I was cramping already and I was SO PMS crabby-like.   >:(  Not skipping that anymore in case that was it. 

Time for the tongue and weigh in!   ::) :P
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 26, 2006, 03:06:00 AM
Day 16.

I've decided (for no compelling reason) to break this w/ OJ on Thursday (Day 18).  I want to get back to "normal" w/ my family, and the weight loss has slowed (15 pounds)...no big signs of detox, and I'm tiring of the salt water in the AM.   :P

Christmas dinner was a bit sad to miss (my mom is a good cook), but I can have those foods anytime, truly, if I would like them.

Bagged the dessert teas, so to speak   ;)...I guess you're only supposed to have mint tea.   ::)

My skin is incredibly dry...especially on my face, even w/ almond oil on it twice a day.  My eczema is bad in between my fingers again.   ???

One good thing was that I had no shortage of lemon and lime peel for making a variation of this: 

http://www.makeyourowncosmetics.com/recipes/viewrec.asp?id=592&cat=salts  YUMMY!

--great site (www.makeyourowncosmetics.com) recommended in the "Christmas is Coming/Making Your Own Gifts" threads!


: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Simply Kristen December 26, 2006, 07:09:34 AM
Congrats YooperMama!!

I am starting a cleanse today!  I just finished nursing and am hoping to be pregnant soon. I am very motivated.

Questions/Problems:
1. Gagging on Salt water (2 teaspoons of sea salt in 1 qt). Can I just do enemas instead?

2. I have been using distilled water from the grocery store. It comes in plastic gallons. Is that a problem? Or, should I boil (distill) my tap water in a stainless steel pot?

3. Gagging on Maple Syrup. It's gross. Is there a better way? Like maybe a spoonfull? I like the lemonade plain.

4. I'm going to put the Cayenne in capsuls......need to go buy them. Any tips? (besides washing hands after  ;))

I  think the salt water is my biggest problem.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kansas Girl December 26, 2006, 09:26:08 AM
KristenA,  I think I can answer some of your questions.  I disliked maple syrup in my lemonade also so I just ate it off the spoon and sweetened my lemonade with stevia or just had it plain and tart ;D  The salt water flush is gross.  I don't think you have to do it every morning.  An enema would probably be fine.  Personally, the master cleanse made me feel sick at times so I actually would do the salt water flush two times a day so the toxins didn't just build up.  I think you should tailor the Master Cleanse to suit your needs, but thats just my opinion.  But then again, I rarely do anything exactly by the book ;D  I don't have any advice about the water, maybe someone else has thoughts???  -KG
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 26, 2006, 12:11:57 PM
Hi, Kristen!

http://www.therawfoodsite.com/forum/archive/index.php/f-9.html

This bulletin board link talks about this stuff...I thought distilled water wasn't recommended from a post here at WTM...Have you downloaded the Adobe book a few pages back?

I got used to the salt....just thought about something else and chugged...maybe a straw?

I LOVE MAPLE SYRUP!   :-* ::)  I'm so sorry you don't like it.   :P :(  Some others referred to the stevia, too.  I never used it.

I must say, limes are hard to pick well...when I tired of lemons, I tried limes.  Don't know if that's legal, but.... ??? ::)

Go easy on the cayenne until you find out what "heat" works.  I had the 95,000, I think, and I had 2 capsules and was burning...not too uncomfortably, but...yes, definitely wash well!

Best wishes!   ;D



: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Simply Kristen December 26, 2006, 12:24:30 PM

Do you mean gusceros's post on april 22 (page) 2 ?
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768
I read that but the guy seemed a little 'in left field' talking about how he was in prison for treating people, and that if everyone followed his way there would be no disease. He also said honey and milk are terrible. So, I took it with a grain of salt.  :P haha

I  have read contradicting things about distilled water. What water did you use?

I haven't taken cayenne yet.....but will tonight probably. So, about the salt....I guess I didn't need it this morning since I haven't cleanses  yet. hmmmmm


: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Texas Girl. December 26, 2006, 02:21:06 PM
I was wondering about the salt water too.......I did the MC once before & the salt water drink in the mornings was my biggest obstacle.  Does anyone have an opinion about whether you could do 1T Epsom salt dissolved in water in PLACE of drinking the quart of sea salt water?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 26, 2006, 03:46:56 PM
Kristen....

Do you think the puking is some kind of hormone-related nausea?  Would you normally puke from MS?   ???

Molasses is an acceptable substitute...would you try that?

Cranberry lemonade sounds good, too! ;D

Keep us posted!   :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Simply Kristen December 26, 2006, 03:54:42 PM
Do you think the puking is some kind of hormone-related nausea?  Would you normally puke from MS?   ???

Molasses is an acceptable substitute...would you try that?

 I don't think the nausea is hormone or pregnancy related. I only had nausea during my first pregnancy when I didn't eat reguarly.

I do have molasses, but would prefer honey  ::).
I could try that tomorrow. I'm going to keep it up the way I am going until the morning. Then, I will re-evulate.
I just don't want to lose my strength or hurt myself.
Is the first day usually this complicated? LOL Or am I just a wimp?
I am proud of staying so strong. I made up my mind not to eat and was not tempted much at all. Maybe I should have made up my mind to LOVE Maple Syrup and Salt-water  :P and then there would have been no problem. HAHAAH
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 26, 2006, 04:18:41 PM
I think that the 1st day is the hardest, from all I've read and my own experience. 

Appetite will go...the salt water got easier, for sure.

Yes, make up your mind that maple syrup and salt water are so desireable and yummy that you can't live without them!   ;) :D

Each day you go, it gets easier to hang on, b/c of what you've already invested! 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 27, 2006, 03:57:27 AM
Good morning from Day 17!   :)

Something occurred to me as I drank my COLD (bleh) salt water...I do prefer it warm, but my MC worksheet said that if you couldn't do the SWF, you could do the laxative tea in the morning:

http://www.therawfoodsite.com/mc_form.htm

* "If for some reason the salt water cannot be taken in the morning, then the herb laxative tea must be taken night and morning." (p. 22)
 
** "There are several good laxative teas.... Buy them in your health food store." (p. 21)
 
*** "2 Tbsp lemon or lime juice (approx. 1/2 lemon)
2 Tbsp genuine [organic grade B] maple syrup (not maple flavored sugar syrup)
1/10 Tsp cayenne pepper (red pepper) or to taste
water, medium hot [or cold if preferred] (spring or purified water)" (p. 17)

I bought some lanolin yesterday for my skin, and WOW!  :o What a difference!  It's thicker than the almond oil and really improved my skin overnight. 

Looking forward to OJ tomorrow...I just don't seem to be passing stuff.   ???  Weight hasn't dropped in the past 5-6 days...maybe I'm on some kind of plateau?  15 pounds is great, for sure!, but it seems like I've stalled. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 27, 2006, 03:40:29 PM
I forgot to mention...I use my tap water..."award winning water from beautiful Lake Surperior".   8)

Here are some common mistakes:
http://www.therawfoodsite.com/mistakes.htm

Looking to have OJ tomorrow!  Whooee!  Caleb's birthday was today and I missed the meal... :(  I did freeze some cake, though!   ;D  Can't wait for egg rolls...bread....barbecued pork sandwiches...jalepeno poppers...potato salad.. :P
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 29, 2006, 04:42:17 AM
Well, good-bye Master Cleanse (and salt water flushes!  :P)!   :-*

This is Day 19 and I will begin solid foods (fruit) this afternoon.  The freshly squeezed OJ yesterday and today seems to be going OK. 

After stalling on weight loss, I have dropped a few more pounds to end with a 19 pound total.   :o  Even considering I'll gain some back, I'm thrilled...This is less than my wedding weight and nearing my high school graduation weight (15 years ago).  The detox effects were far greater, though.  My face cleared up so much and even though my traditional patches of eczema are still flared up, I attribute that to detox and plan to do the Yeast Assassin in January.

I'm looking forward to eating raw and healthy.  Not a huge change from my typical diet, but hopefully will stay away from more sweets and processed stuff...meat, too, I could live w/o more.  We have raw milk and homemade yogurt and I make bread using the 2 stage process, so the whole grains should be OK.  Need to learn how to make egg rolls though!   ::)

It's been an amazing trip, and I thank God for self-control being a fruit of the Spirit!  If anyone would have told me that I would go 18 days w/o solid food, I'd never have believed it...I can't decide which is more incredible, that God enabled me to do this or to have a home birth VBAC!   ;D

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Good day family December 30, 2006, 03:14:00 PM
I did a liver/gallbladder flush a week ago and am planning on doing another one in a week.  Then I want to start the master cleanse and then do another liver flush.  I was wondering how long do I wait after the second flush before starting the cleanse?  Also, how long do I wait to do the 3rd flush after I finish the cleanse?  Do I jump right into it?  Or wait until I can tolerate normal foods again?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama December 30, 2006, 03:23:01 PM
I'm not sure about timetables w/ and b/w cleanses, and I've never done a liver cleanse...may do one here in a few weeks after my body is used to food again and I'm up for it.   ;)  If you didn't find your answers in previous posts, I would private message healthy bratt or beeyoutifulgirl.

I am enjoying food again!   ;D  I can tell my stomach has shrunk...I'm full very quickly...I hardly put a dent in my Ben & Jerry's   :-[ ::) ;D Guess there's no room for jalapeno poppers tonight!   :D

I am LOVING vegetables!  Oh, how I love and missed GARLIC!   :-*

Still think I'll SWF in the morning after my date night "treats"...hard to remember to drink water!  And the lemonade for breakfast w/ cayenne...I think I'll keep that, too.   ;)

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 01, 2007, 05:07:36 AM
 >:(
OK, the honeymoon is over.  I am sleeping more and my hands have started the blistery eczema again.  I assume it's due to the return to food (more sugar?).  There hasn't been much, but apparently enough.  I am also constipated.   >:(  I resumed the salt water flush this morning and will not eat until I have gotten rid of whatever's ailing me.  I may be starting the YA sooner than I thought!   >:(

I have been eating less "than usual" and more veggies, barely any dairy or meat.  My only "sins" were chocolate, egg rolls and jalapeno poppers...loaded w/ bad things, I know.   ::)

Guess I can take comfort in knowing that I am no longer a slave to my body, and can eat whatever and whenever I choose to or choose not to.   Doing the MC sure has empowered me in that thought.

Time to blend up some lemonade.   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 01, 2007, 07:29:02 AM
Well...all systems are go!   ;) ;D

The SWF helped and then had some fruit and a nice raw salad.  Lots of water and lemonade later.  "Bad" things are even tempting, I'm so annoyed w/ myself! 

Keeping it simple can be hard!  I forget to drink water! 

Brewing soup and keeping salad ready will help.  Time to literally, clean my fridge!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Simply Kristen January 01, 2007, 09:11:23 AM
LOL I never updated.
Okay, I did cleanse, but did not go the full ten days. Never did get the SWF or the Maple Syrup down.
That's okay.
I feel like my fast was more spiritually related anyways.

I think I need to work up to the MC.... do a few 'Real ' (planned out) three day cleanses first.

Happy New Year!!!!

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T January 01, 2007, 01:52:46 PM
Just for information for you all...I did a water cleanse (not THE water cleanse) for ten days back in Oct. (I was afraid to do the MC due to terrible bouts with candida).  I drank three 16 oz. glasses of water (tap) an hour before I ate each meal and ate as much as I usually did (if I wasn't too full from the water still).  I did that for about ten days.  I took all known sugar out of my diet.  I didn't worry about things like salad dressings and breads with just a little sugar.  I stayed 'clean' for a month or two.  Then the dreaded birthday cake for my son came around and I was feeling so good...My skin was clearer, I had more energy, I lost all the poochy tummy...and I HAD to have cake until it was gone.  And then I figured with the holidays only coming around once in a while it would be OK to indulge a little...Big mistake!!!  I am now fighting a yeast infection, athletes foot, and skin breakouts, not to mention constipation (did I just mention that?).  I had been continuing two full glasses of water before breakfast but with traveling and family not eating whole grains and the sugar...I'm back off sugar until I get this candida back under control.  Now I realize what I've been doing to my body all these years (lots of them) and what has to change.  Let this be a lesson to all of you, too!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 02, 2007, 03:36:34 PM
Just for information for you all...I did a water cleanse (not THE water cleanse) for ten days back in Oct. (I was afraid to do the MC due to terrible bouts with candida).  I drank three 16 oz. glasses of water (tap) an hour before I ate each meal and ate as much as I usually did (if I wasn't too full from the water still).  I did that for about ten days.  I took all known sugar out of my diet.  I didn't worry about things like salad dressings and breads with just a little sugar.  I stayed 'clean' for a month or two.  Then the dreaded birthday cake for my son came around and I was feeling so good...My skin was clearer, I had more energy, I lost all the poochy tummy...and I HAD to have cake until it was gone.  And then I figured with the holidays only coming around once in a while it would be OK to indulge a little...Big mistake!!!  I am now fighting a yeast infection, athletes foot, and skin breakouts, not to mention constipation (did I just mention that?).  I had been continuing two full glasses of water before breakfast but with traveling and family not eating whole grains and the sugar...I'm back off sugar until I get this candida back under control.  Now I realize what I've been doing to my body all these years (lots of them) and what has to change.  Let this be a lesson to all of you, too!
You need some probiotics.  I've been eating cookies like crazy the last few days.  I won't say it's a healthy way to go, but I've had no flareups.  I've been treating for yeast since April, but I have a steady supply of probiotics (Tummy Tuneup, Yogurt, Kefir Kimchee & Kombucha). 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T January 02, 2007, 04:39:09 PM
Can I just take acidophilus?  Is there a brand that is better than another?  I've never had kumbacha or kefer (did I spell those right?).  I also forgot until last night that I had to take an antibiotic to go to the dentist...heart murmur and they won't let me sign something to wave them being responsible if I die...I think it just threw me over the last inch of the ledge!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 03, 2007, 05:18:11 AM
Can I just take acidophilus?  Is there a brand that is better than another?  I've never had kumbacha or kefer (did I spell those right?).  I also forgot until last night that I had to take an antibiotic to go to the dentist...heart murmur and they won't let me sign something to wave them being responsible if I die...I think it just threw me over the last inch of the ledge!
Acidophilus is great for fighting yeast, but for setting up a good symbiotic colony in your gut, the more the merrier, so to speak.  It's best to get as many and as varied probiotics into your system as possible.  For further information and links, read #4 in the following post. 

I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Texas Girl. January 03, 2007, 05:43:11 AM
Is anybody doing this for the new year?  I was planning on it, but with hubby sick and our church friends bringing us cheesy casseroles every night...I haven't started.  Would anybody else like to do a sort of accountability thing?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom January 03, 2007, 05:49:28 AM
Is anybody doing this for the new year?  I was planning on it, but with hubby sick and our church friends bringing us cheesy casseroles every night...I haven't started.  Would anybody else like to do a sort of accountability thing?


Texas Girl,
With everything that's going on in your life right now, you may want to wait a little while. You probably don't need detox symptoms on top of everything else right now. Just my .02. Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Texas Girl. January 03, 2007, 05:53:27 AM
You're probably right.  :)  I'm sure enjoying my comfort food right now, but I'm going to have to get the maternity clothes back out if I don't do something!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 04, 2007, 06:51:00 AM
Is anybody doing this for the new year? 

I'm planning to start the MC in a couple weeks. Unfortunately, I'm planning a dessert party for my parents' 25th anniversary right now, so I have to fit this in after I try some new recipes w/a friend of mine and before the actual party. :) My plan is to start on or about Jan 14. I haven't done any other cleanses yet but am thinking that I will ease in by starting the SWF a few days before. Thankfully, my hubby will be starting his busy time at work and won't be home for dinner several nights a week, so at least I won't be as tempted with food. :) I'm starting to collect all the necessary ingredients so that I'm ready. :)

I've love to know if anyone else is going to be starting. Somehow it's easier to endure something if you know you're not the only one. :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 05, 2007, 11:40:39 AM
Yeah, I want to do start in the next several days...I am already not eating much because my body is detoxing so heavily it actually makes me feel ill if I eat heavy foods...My body is asking for a fast I think, so as soon as I read up all the small details I want to start. Hope it won't make me feel even worse, but I've got to get this cleansing done with and build back a little....( I would never have thought it would be true, but dh is REALLY hankering for another baby... ;D)
 I am having a hard time finding Grade B maple syrup. We are all out, and all I find locally is ...A; has anyone used substituted blackstrap or sorghum as suggested in the book?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 05, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
I found the Master Cleanse book free online in *.pdf format (attached below).

I thought I would mention it, in case anyone wanted to check it out.

G
This was so helpful!!! Glad it was there!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: levi January 05, 2007, 01:51:11 PM
I am not quite sure how this forum stuff works, but I have a question about weight loss and the master cleanse.  I assume that your metabolism slows from doing the master cleanse.   I did the master cleanse for only 9 days beginning of Dec.  I lost 9 pounds then proceeded to gain back 17 pounds.  I am on day 3 of doing it again, but afraid of gaining it all and then some back again.  this time my husband is doing it also. We (the family and i) are going to eat following the makers diet way after the cleanse.  We did before then slowly started eating worse again.  Still I don't think we eat that bad to gain so much so quickly.  Any body else gain weight back after the cleanse? lisa
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 07, 2007, 12:41:19 PM
I started this cleanse today and I am sooo cold. Why does this happen? If it has to do with my metabolism slowing down should I add more syrup to my lemonade? I really would like to keep my metabolism up so that I lose weight during this time... or does it need to slow down for the body to cleanse and heal?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 07, 2007, 01:51:25 PM
Hi!  Way to go on trying the MC!!   ;D  I'm still reaping benefits....

I was cold at times, too, and others have mentioned this.  I wonder how much cayenne you're taking, and how (I used 95,000 heat units and capsuled it--1-2 at a time)?  Whenever I was cold, I took more, as it warmed me up!  I had tea, too, and that helped.  Cayenne in your socks would help, as well.

Keep us posted!   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 07, 2007, 03:06:26 PM
I started this cleanse today and I am sooo cold. Why does this happen? If it has to do with my metabolism slowing down should I add more syrup to my lemonade? I really would like to keep my metabolism up so that I lose weight during this time... or does it need to slow down for the body to cleanse and heal?
I was really cold (like fever) too right after taking the salt water, but I don't know why.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: seasonsmom January 07, 2007, 05:20:36 PM
Dear all master cleansers. Please forgive me if I am not posting the right way.  I have no clue how this works for I am a first time poster (though have read thru this thread a few times so I don't ask the same questions ) but Lord willing, will figure it out soon ;), I am so glad I learned English ( I speak 2 other languages) and can askqs, research and learn! Thank you for your patience. If y'all can do the MC, you can put up with my 1st post. ;D
  I am glad I scrolled down all the way to the bottom of the page to find out about Stevia as an option to maple syrup! I have been drinking lemon water  for while now and love it but never heard of the lemon diet and master cleanse. I am very interested but scared because of headaches concern. Just curious if that is an important part of the lemon water as far as alleviating the hunger, headache symptoms or just for taste and the minerals in the syrup. I haven't been able to fast 2 meals in my past (while still drinking the lemon water all the time) without getting a severe headache and nothing OTC alleviating it. I would love to do the master cleanse but am scared to start.  Have done coffee enemas and a few liver cleanses separate before, not a biggie at all, a little gross. Esp, being raised in Europe enemas were a no risk/fast effect, healthy remedie. Garlic/onion enemas put me on my feet overnight after a fever of 104. I was back at work the next day.  Thank you Jesus for a loving mom!  But fasting for 10 days scares me silly!  Does it take a lot of self will?  How do you feed a hungry crew and hubby, spend at least some quality time with kids and all those when not feeling that great?  I don't have a baby sitter for even a few hours.  Are my fears not grounded? The headaches scare me most than the hunger pains but from what i read those are supposedly only lasting the first few day if addicted to coffee,etc. I am not addicted to anything except my trusty stevia lemon water.  Also, is it necessary/recommended to buy the lemon diet book before embarking or can all the answers be found on line? Oops, this got so long! Sorry, Natalie
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 07, 2007, 05:46:13 PM
Thanks YooperMama, I had gone all day forgetting the CAYENNE pepper ::) Adding that warmed up my insides and now after a hot bath I feel comfortable if not exactly toasty warm ;) I don't mind being cool, but I had felt like I was freezing from the inside out...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: levi January 08, 2007, 01:07:53 AM
You can find lots of information on line about the cleanse.  I don't think I read anything "new" from the book.  Only it was all contained, and many of the people who you read online modify it from the book, where the book says to keep everything the same.  You can check the book out from a library if that is an option for you.  Since you suffer already with headaches i can see your concern.  A friend of mine did get bad headaches the first couple of days and had to sleep alot.  The book says that they will go away soon if you can push through them.  About being hungry.  You really are not that hungry.  Some days it was harder than others.  When you are cooking and feeding the family, it is hard because you want to eat, but not really because you are hungry.  It is easier for me if I do simpler meals and left overs, than having to cook all the time.  You can do it.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 08, 2007, 04:01:29 AM
Welcome Natalie!   :D

I enjoyed reading your post.   :)

I had headaches, a mild one, the 1st day.  I understand that they are a detox symptom and will go away after about 2 days.  If you have unpleasant detox symptoms, the remedy is to drink more water to flush it out, and to be sure to do the salt water flush in the AM and the laxative tea at night so that the crud comes out and can't give you a headache.   >:(

The lemonade is for nutrition, for sure.  I was surprised at how many nutrients maple syrup had (and I used grade A local stuff).  The lemons stimulate the body to release toxins, and I suppose have lots of vitamin C....also alkaline, so that really helps you to fight things that thrive in an acid environment.  The cayenne is amazing for many things (a link previously discusses its merits), but mostly, it kept me warm!   ;D  I thought I'd be weak on this cleanse, but it's a cleanse, not a "true" fast from food, and you are energized.  I had more energy on this cleanse than ever!  At bed at 11, up at 5, no nap...I was amazed.   :o

Natural headache relief...peppermint oil massaged on your temples...maybe some catmint tea (peppermint tea is allowed...I had some other teas, from time to time)?  There are some others.  I took Epsom salt baths, too, to stimulate the lymph system to get rid of junk (and to relax hurting muscles).  They were in the afternoon, when things started to get uncomfortable. 

I would like to try coffee enemas sometime, and hope to do a liver/gallbladder cleanse soon.  Yeast Assassin is my next project.   ::)

God gave an immeasurably amount of self-control, one of the blessed fruits of His Spirit.  The hardest part is the 1st 1-3 days, and then my only complaint was not being able to taste the food I served.   :-X  I discovered a lot of my eating was habit (eating children's leftovers  :-[, snacking on prep food).  I also learned the difference b/w hunger and appetite.  I lost my cravings for "bad" things, and craved the foods God made. 

I did it w/o the book, but there's a link here somewhere where you can download much of it for free.  And the other site w/ a lot of questions/answers...Go back a page or so, if you want to find them!   ;)

Best wishes!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 08, 2007, 04:59:01 AM
I did it w/o the book, but there's a link here somewhere where you can download much of it for free.  And the other site w/ a lot of questions/answers...Go back a page or so, if you want to find them!

The Master Cleanse book in PDF format. (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 09, 2007, 10:31:20 AM
Does someone have the list of the 12 most common mistakes?

Thanks so much!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 09, 2007, 03:13:26 PM
Does someone have the list of the 12 most common mistakes?

Thanks so much!
Found this...
therawfoodsite.com/mistakes.htm (http://therawfoodsite.com/mistakes.htm)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 09, 2007, 03:27:18 PM
Posting at the end of day 3 because I need the reminder to stick w/ it ;)
It really is going much better than I thought it would ;D
I've had to add a bit more syrup to keep going but I am getting a tremendous amount of work done because I am feeling bored ::). At least dh is getting GREAT meals...I'm putting more into meal prep and making it smell and look extra good so that I can enjoy it too ;)
 I am finding that eliminating when I am very cold seems to relieve that part ???
The salt water flush is dreadful for me...I CAN'T get all of it down but it seems to be working anyway... Yesterday I did an enema instead of the salt water and it seemed to flush the toxic feeling just fine...so that might work if you can't do the salt flush...was my first ever coffee enema :o I'm not doing tea because I've had problems w/ those before...
My tongue and teeth are so nasty...now I understand the tongue thing...I guess I'll keep check on that to see how I'm progressing :P
It is funny how eliminating one sense (taste) is highlighting others...my sense of smell and hearing are so intensified I can hardly believe it! Now today it seems like colors are more vivid.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 09, 2007, 04:35:35 PM
Posting at the end of day 3 because I need the reminder to stick w/ it ;)
It really is going much better than I thought it would ;D
I've had to add a bit more syrup to keep going but I am getting a tremendous amount of work done because I am feeling bored ::). At least dh is getting GREAT meals...I'm putting more into meal prep and making it smell and look extra good so that I can enjoy it too ;)
 I am finding that eliminating when I am very cold seems to relieve that part ???
The salt water flush is dreadful for me...I CAN'T get all of it down but it seems to be working anyway... Yesterday I did an enema instead of the salt water and it seemed to flush the toxic feeling just fine...so that might work if you can't do the salt flush...was my first ever coffee enema :o I'm not doing tea because I've had problems w/ those before...
My tongue and teeth are so nasty...now I understand the tongue thing...I guess I'll keep check on that to see how I'm progressing :P
It is funny how eliminating one sense (taste) is highlighting others...my sense of smell and hearing are so intensified I can hardly believe it! Now today it seems like colors are more vivid.

Way to go, boysmama!!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Three days is a BIG accomplishment...really gets you over many hurdles. 

I had extra MS, too, to get by...and I always seemed to have clean dishes, as well...less time eating I guess = more time to clean during mealtimes!  LOL.   ;D

I could only do the SWF w/ lukewarm water...went down faster and didn't remind me of what a nice cold glass of water was SUPPOSED to taste like. :P

My tongue was gross, too.  I am still marveling at the rich, complex, diverse tastes of things like strawberries and potatoes and tomatoes.  Keep it up!   ;D And keep us posted!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 12, 2007, 02:59:24 AM
OK, so was it the muesli or the ham???? ???   :-X   :P   >:(

I have been off of the MC for about 2 weeks now, I think.  I have steered clear of most meat, processed foods, and homogenized/pasteurized dairy.  I try to use soaked/fermented grains.  Lot of fruits and raw/cooked veggies.

Now.  I threw up last night...could have been several things, but I'm thinking it was either my muesli (from co-op: raw oats, dates, raisins, pecans--use it w/ raw milk and probiotics...I know, I should soak it or at least sit it awhile in yogurt, according to NT philosophy), or what it our roasted ham (sodium nitrites--linked w/ childhood leukemia)? I fluctuate w/ ham being a food that I should eat (for several reasons).

I guess it could have been the deli tortellini salad, too.  :-[ ::)

Any thoughts out there? My body now sends sound messages that it does not like certain things.  A 1/2 of a Styrofoam cup at church of Pepsi was soundly rejected (I'm SO glad--it was an experiment).   ::) 

I keep hearing about how breaking the fast is an ideal time to see what your body will not tolerate...to go slowly on reintroducing foods (like a baby, almost) and to see how you respond.  It's also critical not to eat a lot of food, and a lot of FAT or processed food...gallbladder not being ready to deal w/ the fat and the intestines being at risk for being impacted.   :o

Boysmama--how are you doing???   :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 12, 2007, 05:04:44 AM
Well, today is day 6 for me. Seems like my body temp. stabilized yesterday and I am no longer so cold. It could be that I am basically over the detox because my tongue is clearing. The bored feeling is gone and I'm not getting as much done :( - what was with that anyway? Starting to drop weight now ;D and I am NOT dehydrated  ;D ;D. Now here is hoping that it won't come right back when I come off the cleanse ::) . I had not felt hungry past the first day but that came back yesterday (day 5) ??? I feel pretty  good but a little weak if I don't keep drinking the lemonade...guess I need to get extra lemons.
I am only doing 1 pt of water w/ 1 tsp salt for a salt water flush each morning. That is all I can manage :-[ :-X I drink it all without stopping and then take a sip of plain water. If I try more than that it is all I can do to keep any of it down :P BUT just that much is very effective in stimulating bowel eliminations so I think it is doing the job as well as a whole quart would. ;)
I am also using a little sorghum since my maple syrup is Grade A...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 12, 2007, 06:16:10 AM
You are doing GREAT!   ;D ;D  You're over half way finished...soon you can begin getting some oranges or whatever you'll use to break your fast w/....some use grapefruit juice.   :P  Hang in there!  I was surprised at how the benefits continued, even when I thought I was "done".
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 12, 2007, 12:41:18 PM
out of curiosity, how bad would it be to break the cleanse on day 5?

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 12, 2007, 01:20:13 PM
I've read that the 1st 5 days are the hardest, and the last 5 days have the most benefit.

I think 5 days is great and if you stop, you still accomplished much. ;D  I don't know if it can do you harm, though.  I'm sure no expert, I've only done it once.   ::)

Here's something from the bulletin board:

http://www.therawfoodsite.com/forum/faq.php?faq=mc_faq_heading#faq_how_long

How long should I do this?
Stanley Burroughs says on page 27 of The Master Cleanser in "How to Break the Lemonade Diet" in the section "FOURTH DAY" that a "clear pink and clean looking tongue" is "one of the best signals" that it is complete. In my book, Lose Weight, Have More Energy & Be Happier in 10 Days, it's the third paragraph on page 20.
However, that assumes that the person has nutritional reserves. (mainly calcium and magnesium, alkaline minerals). This is because the body must neutralize the acidic toxins before it eliminates them. To do so, it needs alkaline minerals. These minerals are supplied in abundance in dark green leafy vegetables. So, the diet before the cleanse and between cleanses makes a big difference. That's why Burroughs and I both promote a diet of fresh raw fruits and vegetables.

Most people doing it for the first time need to detox in general and cleanse their colon and haven't depleted their nutritional reserves, but repeat Master Cleansers sometimes (1 out of 100?) want to do it more frequently than their nutritional reserves allow (Burroughs recommends doing it three or four times a year.) and they have problems like temporary hair loss (and possibly sensitive teeth?).

So, there is no set answer for everyone. It depends on the body's nutritional reserves. That's why I tell people to listen to their body. On my 12th cleanse (or thereabouts), I was going for 40 days, but the body said quit at 28 days. So, I did.

As of now (Dec 2006), I'm talking to two health care practitioners to see if we can find a low-cost test that would quickly tell people if they had enough nutritional reserves. So, far we don't have it. When and if we find one, I'll put it in the free newsletter and post it on this bulletin board.

So, if you don't run out of nutritional reserves, go for the clear pink tongue. (By the way, the three people I know took 20 days to get it.)

Think about what you have already invested, and count the cost.  Can you do it?  Is it worth it?  Can you do it again soon?  Should you try a different cleanse?  What are your goals?  What's the hardest part?  Are you discouraged at the end of the day?  Is the detox too bad?  How can we help you hang in there?   :)

Let us know!

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 12, 2007, 01:35:38 PM
out of curiosity, how bad would it be to break the cleanse on day 5?


Beeyoutiful has posted before that breaking the Master Cleanse too early could actually cause more harm than good as you've caused extra toxins to be released into the body (endocrine system and bloodstream) and have not had ample time to be flushed out of the body.  Breaking the fast could cause these toxins to be stored or caught a second time in the body.  This is probably not a very "technical" explanation, but it might take me a few days to wade through this thread and quote her.  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 12, 2007, 01:52:23 PM
out of curiosity, how bad would it be to break the cleanse on day 5?


Beeyoutiful has posted before that breaking the Master Cleanse too early could actually cause more harm than good as you've caused extra toxins to be released into the body (endocrine system and bloodstream) and have not had ample time to be flushed out of the body.  Breaking the fast could cause these toxins to be stored or caught a second time in the body.  This is probably not a very "technical" explanation, but it might take me a few days to wade through this thread and quote her.  ;D
Okay, maybe only several minutes....I found it.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg15066.html#msg15066 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg15066.html#msg15066)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 12, 2007, 02:05:01 PM
Thank you for the encouragement!  I really needed it.  I had been doing ok, but I got my period today, my husband is working late tonight and won't be home for several more hours, my day prevented me from drinking as much of the lemonade as I probably should have...all that combined was just a little too much for me!

Since my last post I have had more lemonade and a bath.  My husband also happened to call and gave me encouragement.  So I am feeling better now.  I was almost panicky earlier...maybe just more detox symptoms?  I am also feeling achy all over.

This is probably TMI, but for you brave souls who have done the cleanse, how long before your "eliminations" were clear?

Thanks so much!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 12, 2007, 03:55:30 PM
Thank you for the encouragement!  I really needed it.  I had been doing ok, but I got my period today, my husband is working late tonight and won't be home for several more hours, my day prevented me from drinking as much of the lemonade as I probably should have...all that combined was just a little too much for me!

Since my last post I have had more lemonade and a bath.  My husband also happened to call and gave me encouragement.  So I am feeling better now.  I was almost panicky earlier...maybe just more detox symptoms?  I am also feeling achy all over.

This is probably TMI, but for you brave souls who have done the cleanse, how long before your "eliminations" were clear?

Thanks so much!

My life saver was the 2-3 PM Epsom salt baths.  ;D  I was losing it by then, and they relaxed me, took away aches, and stimulated my lymph system to kick out more crud.  I know if I didn't drink the lemonade as much (or fluids in general) I was crabby b/c stuff wasn't getting flushed out.   >:(

My eliminations were clear (in color, right?) maybe after 4 days, but they fluctuated (didn't have that many).  I felt like a first time mom, checking every elimination for its "story".   ::) :-[ ;)  I did have mostly liquid eliminations toward the end, but they were yellowish (sorry).   ::)

What's TMI again?  Temp. Mental Insanity?  ??? :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: seasonsmom January 12, 2007, 07:26:16 PM
Dear Yoopermama! Thank you for your warm welcome and advice on the headache stuff.  I see your encourage other MCers almost daily. Will you be here when i do the MC (after my move to another state sometime next week or the one after)?.  Wanted to thank you privately but have no clue how to do so.  If the em is hidden the only way to contact a member is by posting?  Can someone enlighten me on this please! I have really given it my best on the help link but it must be always close to midnite when I get to the computer and my brain is too tired.  Thank you bunches!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom January 12, 2007, 07:42:02 PM
Wanted to thank you privately but have no clue how to do so.  If the em is hidden the only way to contact a member is by posting?  Can someone enlighten me on this please! I have really given it my best on the help link but it must be always close to midnite when I get to the computer and my brain is too tired.  Thank you bunches!

Welcome to WTM. Once you have enough posts to be out of the newbie catogory(5) you will be able to send personal messages (PM) to people. When you click on a member's profile, right above see last posts of this member it will say send this member a personal message. Click on that & you will be able to send a private message. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 13, 2007, 04:36:30 AM
Thank you for the encouragement!  I really needed it.  I had been doing ok, but I got my period today, my husband is working late tonight and won't be home for several more hours, my day prevented me from drinking as much of the lemonade as I probably should have...all that combined was just a little too much for me!

Since my last post I have had more lemonade and a bath.  My husband also happened to call and gave me encouragement.  So I am feeling better now.  I was almost panicky earlier...maybe just more detox symptoms?  I am also feeling achy all over.

This is probably TMI, but for you brave souls who have done the cleanse, how long before your "eliminations" were clear?

Thanks so much!

My life saver was the 2-3 PM Epsom salt baths.  ;D  I was losing it by then, and they relaxed me, took away aches, and stimulated my lymph system to kick out more crud.  I know if I didn't drink the lemonade as much (or fluids in general) I was crabby b/c stuff wasn't getting flushed out.   >:(

My eliminations were clear (in color, right?) maybe after 4 days, but they fluctuated (didn't have that many).  I felt like a first time mom, checking every elimination for its "story".   ::) :-[ ;)  I did have mostly liquid eliminations toward the end, but they were yellowish (sorry).   ::)

What's TMI again?  Temp. Mental Insanity?  ??? :D


Thanks again!  And yes, the Epsom salt baths have been life savers.

TMI=Too much information  :-[

Thanks for answering the elimination q's.  The neon yellow thing had me a little worried.  I was a getting concerned that I was radioactive or something!  :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 13, 2007, 05:01:59 AM

Thanks again!  And yes, the Epsom salt baths have been life savers.

TMI=Too much information  :-[

Thanks for answering the elimination q's.  The neon yellow thing had me a little worried.  I was a getting concerned that I was radioactive or something!  :D

Oh, am I chuckling!  Radioactive!   ;D   :o

TMI, of course!   :-[ ::) ;D  Altho' I do like the other possibility.  I've been wondering about that abbreviation for awhile.   ::)

I don't know why the yellow color, but know that you are not alone!   :o

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 13, 2007, 06:39:19 AM
The yellow color for me seems to be related to the times I feel my liver squirting --bile ???  Another thing I have noticed it's only yellow if the elimination is mostly mucus. Sometimes I get totally clear ones after a few of the yellow ones in the mornings after the salt water flush.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ncgirl January 14, 2007, 05:25:12 PM
I am on day 7 of the Master Cleanse.  So far, so good.  I started in Nov. with the YA and TTU.  I had die off symtoms but made it through.  Since then I have not taken any over the counter meds.  I believe doing this ahead of time and adding probotics has helped me not have so many detox symtoms.  (just my experience, everyone is different)

I never thought that I could make it through a couple of days.  The afternoons are the hardest.  But in the AM, I am ready to continue.  On day 5 I had a challenge, we were to go out to eat Japanese.  I wanted to stick with the cleanse but hated to sit in a restraunt and just drink water.  I did and it wasn't so bad.  I too miss the relationship with food.  As my family sits down to eat, I still try to join them  for fellowship but it is hard to watch them eat.  I'm not hungry at all, I don't even crave food. 

I am planning a liver/gallbladder cleanse at the end.  I'm a little nervous about coming off the fast though.   :-\

Someone mentioned dreams of eating.  The last 2 nights I have also dreamed of cheating by eating crumbs or tasting food.  It's kindof funny, I haven't been a dreamer in a long time.  But since I've been on this cleanse I have been having dreams.   ???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 14, 2007, 05:44:54 PM
LOL--
I kept having dreams that I was about to eat forbidden food (or took a bite) and was HORRIFIED that I violated the MC!   :o  I was relieved to find out that it was only a dream.   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 15, 2007, 03:32:42 AM
I'm on day 8, and I too have had "food dreams."  One night I dreamt I ripped open a can of green beans with my bare hands.  ;D ;D ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 15, 2007, 03:44:12 AM
I'm on day 8, and I too have had "food dreams."  One night I dreamt I ripped open a can of green beans with my bare hands.  ;D ;D ;D

LOL--Thanks for the good laugh!   ;D ;D  Green beans, huh?  ;)  I craved veggies, too.  No fantasies about chocolate cake here... ::)  Just jalapeno poppers and eggolls... :D  Those ARE veggies, right?   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 16, 2007, 03:03:07 AM
boysmama and flowergirl--how are you 2 doing?   ??? :)

Still hanging in there?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ncgirl January 16, 2007, 03:43:35 AM
ncgirl here, i'm on day 9.  My kids have been counting the days for me.  (Aren't they sweet?)  This morning I was informed that I haave one more day and then I can start eating.  After a few days, they finally stopped asking me if I'd like some food or a taste of something they are eating.  Actually seeing people eat and smelling food doesn't bother me now.  Sure makes things easier.  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 16, 2007, 04:32:38 AM
Day 10 here...still going :) Salt water just makes me feel wretched since day 7 so I didn't do it yesterday and no ill effects. I think I'll do one more coffee enema this morning :-\ and leave it at that. There is just nothing to empty and the salt flush seems to be doing more harm than good :-\ I am very hungry in a weird sort of way but not craving food...I am going to break the fast w/ grapefruit juice and kefir and broths. I have TT and think I'll do a TT/kefir enema also. I saved the whey from my last batch of cottage cheese...I wonder what I could put in it to make it palatable? Any suggestions?

If you are a woman using NFP for birth control I'd suggest waiting to start the MC until you are definitely in phase3.... :-\ now I am not sure if ovulation was delayed or what??? Bleh...either abstinence or the risk of conceiving during an intense cleanse... :P The first few days of the cleanse messed up my temps and now the internal "signs" are confusing too!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 16, 2007, 04:36:01 AM
ncgirl here, i'm on day 9.  My kids have been counting the days for me.  (Aren't they sweet?)  This morning I was informed that I haave one more day and then I can start eating.  After a few days, they finally stopped asking me if I'd like some food or a taste of something they are eating.  Actually seeing people eat and smelling food doesn't bother me now.  Sure makes things easier.  :)

Way to go ncgirl!  Day 9!  Is this your first time? 
Gotta' get that dancing banana for you for tomorrow!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 16, 2007, 04:39:46 AM
Day 10 here...still going :) Salt water just makes me feel wretched since day 7 so I didn't do it yesterday and no ill effects. I think I'll do one more coffee enema this morning :-\ and leave it at that. There is just nothing to empty and the salt flush seems to be doing more harm than good :-\ I am very hungry in a weird sort of way but not craving food...I am going to break the fast w/ grapefruit juice and kefir and broths. I have TT and think I'll do a TT/kefir enema also. I saved the whey from my last batch of cottage cheese...I wonder what I could put in it to make it palatable? Any suggestions?

If you are a woman using NFP for birth control I'd suggest waiting to start the MC until you are definitely in phase3.... :-\ now I am not sure if ovulation was delayed or what??? Bleh...either abstinence or the risk of conceiving during an intense cleanse... :P The first few days of the cleanse messed up my temps and now the internal "signs" are confusing too!

All right!   ;D  Another dancing banana!   ;D

Have you read much on breaking a fast?  Make sure to go slow on fats!

What to put in the whey?  Why maple syrup, of course!   ;D :D ;D  With some vanilla? Fruit?  Make it like a yogurt?  A smoothie?  I don't know...I just used it for my bread and oatmeal.

I started w/ my cycle and that worked well (easy cycle), but my signs of ovulation were scant, too. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 16, 2007, 05:26:48 AM

Have you read much on breaking a fast?  Make sure to go slow on fats!

What to put in the whey?  Why maple syrup, of course!   ;D :D ;D  With some vanilla? Fruit?  Make it like a yogurt?  A smoothie?  I don't know...I just used it for my bread and oatmeal.
I should have made it a bit more clear  :) I am going to do only grapefruit juice for the first day along w/ the "lemonade and maybe some TT and then the second day add some skimmed broth and  homemade raw "skim milk" kefir. After that I have lots of veggies to steam and salad ingredients... I had thought about using the whey instead of water to make a more nutritious "lemonade"...good idea on the fruit smoothies!
 How much fat is too much do you think? Have you added any meat to your meals yet, yoopermama?
 Dh is ready to see me eating eggs and meat and such ::) and pure cream (which is his favorite cureall :o) He likes my new figure but doesn't want me to "diet/cleanse" just to lose weight :D He is confident I'll keep losing a little more if I need to which is probably correct because my body is cleaner and functioning better than it has for a while...and I am not nursing or pregnant ;) so I have a chance!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 16, 2007, 07:22:46 AM
I am going to do only grapefruit juice for the first day along w/ the "lemonade and maybe some TT and then the second day add some skimmed broth and  homemade raw "skim milk" kefir. After that I have lots of veggies to steam and salad ingredients... I had thought about using the whey instead of water to make a more nutritious "lemonade"...good idea on the fruit smoothies!
 How much fat is too much do you think? Have you added any meat to your meals yet, yoopermama?
 Dh is ready to see me eating eggs and meat and such ::) and pure cream (which is his favorite cureall :o) He likes my new figure but doesn't want me to "diet/cleanse" just to lose weight :D He is confident I'll keep losing a little more if I need to which is probably correct because my body is cleaner and functioning better than it has for a while...and I am not nursing or pregnant ;) so I have a chance!

Ahh...thanks for clarifying!  I was worried for a second!  :) ::)

I have no idea about amounts of fat...there are certainly different types of fat (good and bad).  There should be some info out there on how long it takes your body to get ready for fat again.  I haven't eaten much meat, but that's just my new preference...it doesn't have fiber, so I want to minimize the chance of getting clogged up.   ::)  I have fat from my whole, raw milk products, and nuts.  I think I should add my fish/evening primrose oil supplements.

Do you really like grapefruit juice?   :P ::) ???

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 16, 2007, 09:33:31 AM
Day 9. my tongue was pink this morning!  So I decided to break the fast today.  Everything is going great.  I only lost 9 pounds, but I am still thankful for the 9. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 16, 2007, 09:36:31 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/twang.gif)



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/banana.gif)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/cow.gif)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/dancedumbo.gif)



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/tcwd_m10.gif)



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/smilieparty.gif)

(is this overkill?  ;D)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T January 16, 2007, 09:38:05 AM
Perhaps, but quite cool and entertaining!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 16, 2007, 10:42:16 AM
Great reward, HB ;D Now that I have had the party to celebrate do I have to finish in form or can I go eat a piece of that new cheesecake recipe I fixed for dinner guests last night? just joking ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 16, 2007, 11:10:32 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/twang.gif)



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/banana.gif)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/cow.gif)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/dancedumbo.gif)



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/tcwd_m10.gif)



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/smilieparty.gif)

(is this overkill?  ;D)

I LOVE it!  Thanks HB, for finding such fun things to celebrate w/!

Way to go flowergirl and boysmama and ncgirl!   ;D ;D ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ncgirl January 16, 2007, 02:39:39 PM
Thanks for the party!!   :-*

Yes, this is my first MC but I have done a gall bladder wash before.  (Which was after the Dr wanted to take out my gallbladder a few years ago.  After I passed the stones I did not have the gallbladder pain anymore.   The Dr did not believe that what I passed was stones, he said I must have eaten something green.  Ha!Amazing that my pain left with the stones, huh?)  Haven't heard of a kidney cleanse for kidney stones, have you?  I don't want that again.

 :) :) :)Thanks for the support!! :) :) :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Leilani January 16, 2007, 05:28:07 PM
Hi Y'all!
I think I introduced myself long ago, but I usually just read instead of post.
 Anyhoo I did the MC starting the day after Christmas and it went well, I made it all the way through day 10 and wanted to go longer but on day 11 I started feeling very hungry which hadn't happend before that day.  I did NOT break my fast well,  ;D I started in the morning with oranges and then finished up the day with Chinese food and movie theater popcorn!  :o So not the best example there! But I had no problems eating those foods, and I did a SW flush the next morning just to keep things moving. I lost 15 pounds during the 10 days and felt great but weirdly my skin didn't improve. Maybe I just need to do it again?? I really liked the energy and light feeling I had from the lemonade and decided to continue drinking it during the day and then just eat dinner. I did that for a week after MC and lost another 5lbs, so I am continuing to do that until my lemons are gone.  I also still take the cayenne and also do the SW flush every morning. I don't drink the lax tea as that was causing problems, Oh and I am drinking coffee again now. I think that was the hardest for me to give up, and I even drink decaf so it wasn't the caffeine.  I do miss not needing so much sleep I loved staying up late and waking up early and alert. 
Leilani
PS some one mentioned radioactive "waste"  :P whenever I take supermom I get the same result  :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 17, 2007, 04:03:37 AM
I wish I had read some of this before I started the MC:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2569.msg25282.html#msg25282:

cayenne wonders....
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2006, 07:11:45 AM » by jammy
According to Sam Biser, "Curing with Cayenne", Featuring Dr. Richard Schulze, Medical Herbalist, pg.9-36, 1997:

"As Schulze teaches, 'The viscosity of almost everyone's blood is too thick. Instead of being like water, it's like molasses. Your heart pumps much harder to force that sludgy blood through your arteries.'"

"Overworked hearts collapse (a heart attack), and overstressed arteries tend to blow out in the brain (a stroke), so the sooner you start using the cayenne formulas in this book, the safer your heart will be."

"If your take no other herb, if you make no other change in your life, take cayenne. Learn how from Dr. Schulze, the King of Cayenne."

"Big blood flow is everything - because healthy blood cures."

"As Dr. Schulze told me, 'When there is blockage, there is starvation, then stagnation, and finally disease. By learning how to use the most powerful herb in the world, you can cure diseases even the best natural healers have never cured.'"

"'If you master only one herb in your life, master cayenne pepper. It is more powerful than any other.' -Dr. Richard Schulze, Medical Herbalist."

"If you want to become a powerful healer for yourself and your family, master one herb...cayenne pepper. Knowing cayenne deeply will give you and your family more cures than dabbling in twenty herbs."

"Students always ask Dr. Schulze, 'What are the ten most important herbs to have in the home?' He tells them, 'At the top of the list is cayenne pepper, because it will make the other nine work better.'"

"If you take cayenne pepper in capsules, you may be wasting your time and never getting the cures I got with my patients."

"BISER: How can you say cayenne capsules are bad? I've heard from readers who took cayenne in capsules and got great results!"

"SCHULZE: Well, fine. But I had thousands of patients who did the same and who did not get well - until they took my cayenne orally. I had many patients come in, and I loved to test them."

"BISER: What does 'test' mean?"

"SCHULZE: I used to do 'herbal experiments' with their approval. I had hundreds of patients who would say, 'Oh, I've been using cayenne pepper for years. I take this; I take that. I've been using it every day for 14 years.'"

"So I would sit them down and would either give them some cayenne tincture or some cayenne powder directly in the mouth."

"They would tell me that it was like they had never used cayenne pepper before. They would say, 'I heard my ears pop; I felt a rush of blood to my head. I can feel tingling in my feet and toes.' They would give me responses that they never had from taking cayenne pepper for 10, 12, 14, 15 years."

"One thing really became evident to me in the clinic: There is only one way to take cayenne, and that is right in the mouth."

"What was going on is that much of cayenne's healing action occurs right in your mouth. As cayenne touches your tongue, the cayenne absorbs in seconds and nerve endings send signals throughout the body - sending waves of fresh blood to wherever you are sick. New healing begins in seconds. These surges of fresh blood do not occur when you bypass the mouth by taking capsules."

"For people not used to it, they just need to work their way up. One problem people have is that they blow their mind or their mouth - right off the bat. For some who have never used cayenne pepper, a good initial dosage is 1/16th of a teaspoonful in some juice."


"Most of my patients were sensitive at first. Those same people, in three or four months, would be taking two dropperfuls of my most potent tonic. Some people end up taking six or more dropperfuls a day of cayenne tincture. You build up an ability to use it, just like with anything else. It's not like you need to start off with a whole teaspoon in the mouth - and then hold on to the arms of you chair."

"BISER: If all this is so, then why do herb companies promote cayenne in capsules?"

"SCHULZE: They want to sell more. It's for their benefit - not yours. The companies say, 'How do we get a broader market? Let's make our herbal customers real comfortable.' But then the capsules don't work and the patient has to go and get their leg sawed off."

"If you want to take herbs, and not notice anything going on with your body, and not be made uncomfortable in any way, and not have any cleansing occur - then take drugs."

"It's a shame, because a hundred years ago, cayenne was considered to be one of the most powerful herbs on the planet. Nowadays, it has become more of a fad, and people are not getting the healing response that they are due by taking this herb."

"BISER: But all herbalism today is based on herbal capsules!"

"SCHULZE: This wasn't the way the old-time herbalists practiced. It wasn't the way my teacher, the late Dr. John Christopher, practiced. He got his results with teas and tinctures."

"When you put cayenne in your mouth, your stomach secretes digestive juices before the cayenne ever gets there. So when the cayenne gets down there, your stomach is all ready for it."

"But if you swallow a capsule, your tongue tastes nothing; a capsule goes down in your stomach, and your stomach notices nothing - at first. Then, five minutes later the gelatin bursts, and you have a 1/2 teaspoon of cayenne pepper in your stomach and your body goes into shock. You surprised it. 'Where did this come from?'"


"BISER: So using a lower potency cayenne in capsules in not an answer for people who want to go the mild route?"

"SCHULZE: Why bother? The cayenne in capsules is low quality, in spite of fancy labels and 'high potency' claims. Most cayenne sold comes from third-world countries and is highly sprayed with pesticides. It doesn't work. Patients who used it stayed sick - until I blew their health problems open with the 'right stuff.'"

"The lower-heat cayennes are a lot less efficient, and they are the ones that are most highly contaminated. These are the ones you see labeled for 40,000 heat units. They are the ones imported from God knows where: Egypt, China, and so on. These are the ones to stay away from."

"The companies pay around $2 per pound for this kind of cayenne. Compare that to the up-to-$48 per pound I have paid for the great, organically-grown stuff."

"There is more to cayenne than just heat. There are flavonoids in cayenne that will heal heart cells and protect your heart. There are vitamins in cayenne pepper that will destroy bacteria and increase your immune system. The lower quality the cayenne, the less healing occurs."

"A lot of the cayenne I've seen has a smoky smell and a dark color to it. It's been heated very high during the powdering process, so a lot of the other nutrients that were in there, enzymes and so on, are gone."

"BISER: I think you pushed cayenne more than anybody else." [/align]

"SCHULZE: Yes, and here is the reason: There is no other herb stronger or more effective than cayenne to make immediate physiological and metabolic changes in the body."

"Cayenne moves blood. Without blood flow to sick areas, how can any herb work?"

"The whole idea of using any herb is to digest the chemicals in that herb - and then get those chemicals into our bloodstream. That's what digesting is - but if we don't get that blood to the arthritic joint, or to the cancer tumor, or to the brain malignancy, or to the liver - then forget that herb."

"You can take all the milk thistle you want, but if you have bad circulation to your liver, it's not going to do you any good. You can take all the ginkgo you want, but if you have bad circulation to your brain, the ginkgo is not going to be able to get up there either."

"Cayenne turns your circulation on immediately within seconds, more than any other herb, so really it should be in every herbal formula."


She also recommendsthis site:
http://healingtools.tripod.com/DS_pages.html
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 17, 2007, 05:01:54 AM
Thanks for the info on cayenne!  i had my Cayenne in my lemonade...and hated it.  I tried putting it into capsules, but didn't think it through  ???.  A few minutes after I swallowed my first one, I felt a nice warming sensation, then all of a sudden AAAAHHHHH!  :o :o :o  My stomach was quite displeased with me.  Later, I opened a capsule and measured what I had put in it...1/4 tsp.  SO I nixed that idea and continued to just sprinkle it in the lemonade. 

Since I have broken my fast, I have had a terrible headache.  All afternoon and evening.  For dinner I made a quick, UNhealthy skillet dinner from the frozen food section.  Because my head hurt so bad... ::) I decided I'd just have a few bites of that instead of making something else for me.  I wasn't thinking clearly because my headache should have been a clear indication that I Should have eaten something else!  Anyways, this morning I could barely get out of bed, my hands and eyes were swollen, and I still feel half asleep.  So today, I am going to make clear, wise decisions on what to put into my body. And hopefully, I'll feel better!  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 17, 2007, 06:52:49 AM
BTW I do really like grapefruit juice. ;) yummy ;D Good for me because I found a great deal on fresh ones and not on oranges!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 17, 2007, 07:17:29 AM
Hi Y'all!
I think I introduced myself long ago, but I usually just read instead of post.
 Anyhoo I did the MC starting the day after Christmas and it went well, I made it all the way through day 10 and wanted to go longer but on day 11 I started feeling very hungry which hadn't happend before that day.  I did NOT break my fast well,  ;D I started in the morning with oranges and then finished up the day with Chinese food and movie theater popcorn!  :o So not the best example there! But I had no problems eating those foods, and I did a SW flush the next morning just to keep things moving. I lost 15 pounds during the 10 days and felt great but weirdly my skin didn't improve. Maybe I just need to do it again?? I really liked the energy and light feeling I had from the lemonade and decided to continue drinking it during the day and then just eat dinner. I did that for a week after MC and lost another 5lbs, so I am continuing to do that until my lemons are gone.  I also still take the cayenne and also do the SW flush every morning. I don't drink the lax tea as that was causing problems, Oh and I am drinking coffee again now. I think that was the hardest for me to give up, and I even drink decaf so it wasn't the caffeine.  I do miss not needing so much sleep I loved staying up late and waking up early and alert. 
Leilani
PS some one mentioned radioactive "waste"  :P whenever I take supermom I get the same result  :o

Thanks for your post!   :)

I decided to resume some SWFs, too, and made some lemonade this AM...I missed it!  :-[ I did just put cayenne in the 1st "shot" of it, and chased the rest w/ regular lemonade, after reading the benefits of taking the cayenne uncapsulated.  I may do just lunch and dinner...mostly veggies.  We'll see.  I like the weight loss/energy, too, and would like to keep it going.  My skin cleared up in some parts, but is back to yucky in others.   :P

My parents are doing this, which amazed me!  My sister plans it, too.  They thought I was weird, so now maybe they're becoming weird, too.   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 17, 2007, 07:22:00 AM
I like drinking a glass of lemon water first thing in the morning anyway. I missed the burst from the cayenne pepper ;D so I decided to add cayenne to my morning ritual.  :) I actually like the heat and flavor of cayenne straight and didn't do capsules. I guess that is a plus :-*
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Julia January 17, 2007, 09:17:57 AM
My husband is starting a three week juice fast today. It is for spiritual reasons, but he has agreed to let me "work on him" while he's fasting - like kind of making it into a cleanse.  He wants to do plain fruit juice the first three days, that's what he's done a lot of in the past, and I thought I'd have him do the Lemonade Cleanse for 10 days after that.

Here's where I'm looking for some guidance: then what? I skimmed through a bunch of this 13 page post, and looked at some of the links, but I'm just not sure how to know what kind of cleanse or flush or whatever to have him do. Do I base it on his overall health and any problems he may have?  He doesn't really have any health problems, except for he's losing the hair on his head exceptionally fast lately and he is 20 or so pounds overweight and seems not to be able to lose it. He's done long fasts several times, up to 40 days. We've always been of the mindset that he just needs calories to sustain him through the fast, so we've done a lot of fruit juice and carrot/apple and the occasional nasty tasting veggie juice. I feel like I should be doing more learning for myself here, but I'm running out of time and I'm hoping someone will just point me in the right direction.  :-\  Thank you!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 17, 2007, 11:26:41 AM
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if anyone has done this cleanse while working full time outside of the home. Many have mentioned how afternoons are difficult or how they enjoy a nice bath in the afternoon and that's not going to work for me! :) Any suggestions to make this more bearable when I can't take a bath or nap during the day? I'm also looking forward ( ;) haha) to trying to explain why I'm only drinking lemonade for a whole week! I think I'll just let them think I'm a weirdo. :) Thanks for any suggestions!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 17, 2007, 11:34:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if anyone has done this cleanse while working full time outside of the home. Many have mentioned how afternoons are difficult or how they enjoy a nice bath in the afternoon and that's not going to work for me! :) Any suggestions to make this more bearable when I can't take a bath or nap during the day? I'm also looking forward ( ;) haha) to trying to explain why I'm only drinking lemonade for a whole week! I think I'll just let them think I'm a weirdo. :) Thanks for any suggestions!
The only suggestion I have is that you do the salt water flush early enough that it "flushes ;)" before you have to go to work. For me, at least, it was an intense hour with lots of toilet stops ::) Maybe start the cleanse on the weekend  as the first days were a bit harder.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 19, 2007, 05:04:42 PM

Since I have broken my fast, I have had a terrible headache.  All afternoon and evening.  For dinner I made a quick, UNhealthy skillet dinner from the frozen food section.  Because my head hurt so bad... ::) I decided I'd just have a few bites of that instead of making something else for me.  I wasn't thinking clearly because my headache should have been a clear indication that I Should have eaten something else!  Anyways, this morning I could barely get out of bed, my hands and eyes were swollen, and I still feel half asleep.  So today, I am going to make clear, wise decisions on what to put into my body. And hopefully, I'll feel better!  :)

How are you doing now, flowergirl?   :)  Better, I hope!   :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 20, 2007, 04:57:11 AM
Alright - here I go. Today's my first day of the cleanse.  The SWF was definitely not the best thing I've ever tasted but I managed to drink about 3 cups (out of the suggested quart) :-\ I did drink the lax tea last night but realized when I was reading through the booklet again that he says not to use honey. I don't agree with all everything he says, but should I not put honey in my tea during the cleanse? What did you sweeten your tea with? Maple syrup or nothing? I don't think I can drink tea with no sweetener. Also, how long do you wait after the flush to start drinking the lemonade. I'm not really hungry yet, but don't know if I should wait a while before drinking anything to make sure the flush is finished.
Thanks for any suggestions! :)

Hey, is anyone else still going through the cleanse right now? Just curious.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: flowergirl January 20, 2007, 05:12:39 AM

Since I have broken my fast, I have had a terrible headache.  All afternoon and evening.  For dinner I made a quick, UNhealthy skillet dinner from the frozen food section.  Because my head hurt so bad... ::) I decided I'd just have a few bites of that instead of making something else for me.  I wasn't thinking clearly because my headache should have been a clear indication that I Should have eaten something else!  Anyways, this morning I could barely get out of bed, my hands and eyes were swollen, and I still feel half asleep.  So today, I am going to make clear, wise decisions on what to put into my body. And hopefully, I'll feel better!  :)

How are you doing now, flowergirl?   :)  Better, I hope!   :D

I am doing great!  So much so in fact that my husnad started the cleanse today.  Thank you for asking.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama January 20, 2007, 06:06:57 AM
Alright - here I go. Today's my first day of the cleanse.  The SWF was definitely not the best thing I've ever tasted but I managed to drink about 3 cups (out of the suggested quart) :-\ I did drink the lax tea last night but realized when I was reading through the booklet again that he says not to use honey. I don't agree with all everything he says, but should I not put honey in my tea during the cleanse? What did you sweeten your tea with? Maple syrup or nothing? I don't think I can drink tea with no sweetener. Also, how long do you wait after the flush to start drinking the lemonade. I'm not really hungry yet, but don't know if I should wait a while before drinking anything to make sure the flush is finished.
Thanks for any suggestions! :)

Hey, is anyone else still going through the cleanse right now? Just curious.

Go Sunshine06!   ;D

Maple syrup was my sweetener--even if it wasn't per the book, I'd use it.   :D  There's some discussion somewhere about honey putting weight on...compromising the cleanse in some way.

Have the lemonade ready for when you get hungry...store in a glass container (eats away at plastic), so you only have to make it once a day.  You don't want to experience hunger/appetite long--too tempting!   :o

Keep us posted...a few others are wrapping it up and some others are considering starting.  People check in from time to time!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 20, 2007, 05:59:51 PM
I'm interested in doing the Master Cleanse, but I'm concerned about losing too much weight.  I'm already "underweight" so-to-speak, and can't really afford to lose 10 lbs. or more.  Has anyone else had this issue?

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 21, 2007, 04:56:21 AM
 
quote
What did you sweeten your tea with? Maple syrup or nothing? I don't think I can drink tea with no sweetener.

I used some sorghum molasses. I think blackstrap was also mentioned as an alternative. I think you should use some sweetner. It provides nutrients which is probably important to keep your body going but without expending energy on digestion....We don't agree with all his ideas either :-\ Good going ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama January 21, 2007, 05:04:21 AM
I have been waiting to post my weight loss until after it stabilized with normal eating. I started a little overweight and sustained weight loss was about 10 lbs. Before I started eating it looked more like 16lbs.
 I am not sure if I want to lose more...not sure what my body after motherhood is supposed to weigh ;) but I sure love how I feel now and hubby notices the difference :)

Is it possible that in resetting your body with the master cleanse you could either gain or lose in order to reach an ideal weight?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 21, 2007, 06:26:02 AM

quote
What did you sweeten your tea with? Maple syrup or nothing? I don't think I can drink tea with no sweetener.
You are supposed to use grade B maple (pure) not commerical pancake syrup.  It's not recommended by the author to drink your lemonade unsweetened.  The maple is full of nutrients to keep you from being hungry and malnutritioned while cleansing.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 21, 2007, 07:36:17 AM

quote
What did you sweeten your tea with? Maple syrup or nothing? I don't think I can drink tea with no sweetener.
You are supposed to use grade B maple (pure) not commerical pancake syrup.  It's not recommended by the author to drink your lemonade unsweetened.  The maple is full of nutrients to keep you from being hungry and malnutritioned while cleansing.

I know that I'm supposed to use maple syrup (grade b) in my lemonade. I was questioning the use of some kind of sweetener in the laxative tea and peppermint tea. I used maple syrup last night on the suggestion of yoopermama and that was good. I might try some blackstrap molasses tonight. :)

Well, I'm halfway through Day 2 and doing ok. The SWF wasn't as tough this morning as it was yesterday and I managed to get the full quart down. I only really crave food when it's in front of me, otherwise I'm doing the best I can to keep my mind off of it. :) 10 days still feels like a REALLY long time though. :) I've had a dull headache a few times and just drank more water, but no other detox symptoms yet. Thanks for the encouragement! :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 21, 2007, 09:12:20 AM

quote
What did you sweeten your tea with? Maple syrup or nothing? I don't think I can drink tea with no sweetener.
You are supposed to use grade B maple (pure) not commerical pancake syrup.  It's not recommended by the author to drink your lemonade unsweetened.  The maple is full of nutrients to keep you from being hungry and malnutritioned while cleansing.

I know that I'm supposed to use maple syrup (grade b) in my lemonade. I was questioning the use of some kind of sweetener in the laxative tea and peppermint tea. I used maple syrup last night on the suggestion of yoopermama and that was good. I might try some blackstrap molasses tonight.
Sorry, maybe you could use stevia?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: leslieincali January 21, 2007, 10:41:20 AM
I used stevia. You could also use a little of the maple syrup if you don't have stevia though.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 21, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
I'm interested in doing the Master Cleanse, but I'm concerned about losing too much weight.  I'm already "underweight" so-to-speak, and can't really afford to lose 10 lbs. or more.  Has anyone else had this issue?

abbilynn

Can anyone answer this?  ???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: StephTallent January 21, 2007, 11:04:34 AM
I'm interested in doing the Master Cleanse, but I'm concerned about losing too much weight.  I'm already "underweight" so-to-speak, and can't really afford to lose 10 lbs. or more.  Has anyone else had this issue?

abbilynn

Can anyone answer this?  ???

According to the Master Cleanse book I read people who start the cleanse out at their correct weight or below only lose 2 to 3 lbs in the course of a 10 day cleanse.  When they resume eating again they gain the lost lbs back rapidly.  Supposedly the nutrients found in the lemons/maple syrup are enough to maintain a healthy weight.  I haven't personally spoken with anyone who was underweight and did it though.  They do also recommend if you are starting the cleanse underweight to use more Maple Syrup than if you were going to try to lose weight.

This site's forums have a ton of information regarding unique situations and the Master Cleanse.  http://therawfoodsite.com/mastercleanse.htm

HTH!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 21, 2007, 11:19:07 AM
Thanks!  :)  I'll check that out.  Right now I'm about 5'9" and 118 lbs.  So I guess I'd definitely have to up the maple syrup in the mix.  I can't wait to do this!!  I want to get the book from the library so I can do it correctly but it's out right now.  :-\  DH wants to do it too.  I'm excited!! ;D

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 22, 2007, 07:13:09 AM
Day 3 - going ok. No major detox symptoms yet. Hope it's still working though. I'm following all the directions and haven't cheated at all! :) Hubby's been helpful in encouraging me (actually he threatens to throw water or whatever he eating/drinking at the moment on me if I cheat - makes me laugh  ;D) I'm craving chips and salsa and guacamole today....go figure. :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 23, 2007, 08:53:15 AM
Does anyone know if the Master Cleanse helps get rid of ovarian cysts?  I've heard fasting helps, so it seems like the MC would do the job.  I'm just afraid of the detox - might be bad if the cysts are full of toxins  :o :o 

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 23, 2007, 09:28:03 AM
Okay, one more question - do you still take supplements or anything while doing the MC?  I think I read Beeyoutifulgirl took spirulina to help with detox symptoms.  Do you still take your vitamin and stuff or fast from all of that too?

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 23, 2007, 11:05:05 AM
Okay, one more question - do you still take supplements or anything while doing the MC?  I think I read Beeyoutifulgirl took spirulina to help with detox symptoms.  Do you still take your vitamin and stuff or fast from all of that too?

abbilynn

I chose to skip the vitamins and suppliments (as the instructions say) b/c you are supposidly able to get all you need from the lemon and syrup. I'm on Day 4 right now and haven't felt tired or undernourished in any way, so I think I'm doing fine without them. But it is up to you and people have done it both ways. :) HTH
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 23, 2007, 11:21:34 AM
So, did you read the book first?  It was recommended on the site to read the "12 Most Common Pitfalls" before doing the cleanse.  Anyone know what they are?

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: titus2wam January 23, 2007, 11:52:08 AM
I have a question, i am just starting the MC, as in today is my first day! :D Well i am freezing, we heat with wood so the house is always a bit cold, the temp out side is 40 degreese and all i want to do is hug the stove. All this to say does any one know if it would be a problem to have the lemonaid hot?
Other than feeling cold i am doing great.
TIA for any suggestions.
Jeri in NM
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 23, 2007, 11:59:20 AM
I have a question, i am just starting the MC, as in today is my first day! :D Well i am freezing, we heat with wood so the house is always a bit cold, the temp out side is 40 degreese and all i want to do is hug the stove. All this to say does any one know if it would be a problem to have the lemonaid hot?
Other than feeling cold i am doing great.
TIA for any suggestions.
Jeri in NM

I don't know if it's a problem to have it hot - I'd never thought of doing that. I was just curious if you're taking the cayenne pepper that's in the lemonade recipe. (I don't add it to ever glass b/c I don't like the taste. I pour some lemonade into a juice glass in the morning and put the whole amount of cayenne in and chug it.) The cayenne is supposed to help keep your blood circulating and keep you warm, so give that a try if you're not taking it. I'm curious to see what people will say about having the lemonade warm though. :) Enjoy!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Julia January 23, 2007, 02:58:35 PM
I would think you could slightly warm it, just not too much so you cook the good stuff in the lemons. But I could be wrong. The cayenne should warm you up - maybe you should add some extra! I read at the Bulk Herb Store website you can put it in your socks to keep your feet warm!

My husband is fasting and is cold, too. Isn't that every woman's dream, to have your husband be cold? He is constantly putting more wood on the fire so it's nice and toasty and even plugged in the oil heater upstairs and turned it on high!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kenliljuun January 23, 2007, 05:55:34 PM
Just had to share: I started the master cleanse today! The concoction tastes good.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt January 23, 2007, 07:44:17 PM
My mom is doing a liver flush from mountain rose herbs. MY mom has hepitis c and is doing ok with this liver flush you do i for 10 days and off for 3 days. On the three days that she is off she gets sick. Can enyone explan why.
                                                                        Thanks 4girls
I've moved your post to the appropriate thread. 

Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,940.0.html)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T January 24, 2007, 03:14:27 AM
I've read something in my bread cooking (I believe it is in the front of the BreadBecker's Cookbook) that Maple Syrup changes it's vitamin/nutrient content when cooked.  I believe it looses many or all of it's nutrients.  I could be wrong but you might want to check that out before you heat your lemonade and take away all the things that are sustaining you.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 24, 2007, 04:15:59 AM
Just had to share: I started the master cleanse today! The concoction tastes good.

Great Kenliljuum!! The lemonade does taste good...but I still miss real food. Glad to know there's someone else doing this at the same time I am. :) Have a good 10 days.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: titus2wam January 24, 2007, 05:06:54 AM
Thank you for your responses. i am taking the cayenne, i am putting mine in capsules, because i did not like the taste either. I am thinking this may be so detox stuff as i really got rid of a lot of water yesterday. i woke with very little swelling in my hands and legs today, but am really feeling yucky :(. So i am resting today and letting this cleanse do it's work :).

Have a good day everyone
in HIM
Jeri in NM
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 24, 2007, 05:16:53 AM
titus2wam - fyi, on page 13 of this thread there's an article about cayenne pepper that you may want to read. It talks about the benefits of taking cayenne pepper powder vs. in a capsule. If the cayenne capsules don't help you, you may want to try taking the whole amount in a bit of juice. Yes, it tastes horrible, but I know it's working. I'm still cold today, but I'm usually cold so i don't know if this has to do with detoxing or is just me. Have a great day! :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: titus2wam January 24, 2007, 05:20:53 AM
Sunshine06, i am taking the pwdered cayenne, i am just putting it in the caps myself. I will go find that post. thanks for the heads up.
n HIM
Jeri in NM
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 24, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
Hi. :) I'm on Day 5 and I'm curious about something. I haven't had any real detox symptoms - no headaches, sore throat, icky tongue, etc. Does this mean the cleanse isn't working fully (I know that it is in some visible ways) or that I wasn't too toxic or have a good immune system?? I don't think I've neglected to do anything that I'm supposed to. So any opinions out there? Thanks!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn January 25, 2007, 06:02:10 PM
What "laxative teas" is everyone using?  Any suggestions?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kenliljuun January 25, 2007, 10:23:16 PM
Thanks Sunshine06! I've only posted a few times, so yours is the first reply I have received. I am now inspired to post every day! (but I won't...unless absolutely necessary. WTM is filling fast. :))
Interestingly enough, I'm having a similar experience: no headaches, fatigue, etc. Of course, I may be speaking too soon. I'm only on day 3.

I have two questions for anyone out there:
1. I heard that eating more then just the lemon juice isn't a good idea because it will activate the stomach. I'm wondering if they mean just the fiber or is the pulp included? I have been straining my lime juice, but would like to stop if this is not necessary.

2. I had three glasses on day 1 plus plenty of water, and four glasses on day 2. I heard that six glasses should be the minimum, so I'm shooting for that today. Just wondering how harmful four or five glasses a day would be.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 26, 2007, 04:06:58 AM
What "laxative teas" is everyone using?  Any suggestions?

I'm using "Smooth Move" by Traditional Medicinals. It's organic and tastes pretty good with a bit of maple syrup in it. I like that brand for tea, so I didn't look into any other ones - I'm sure there are many more out there, but this one has worked well for me. :)

Thanks Sunshine06! I've only posted a few times, so yours is the first reply I have received. I am now inspired to post every day! (but I won't...unless absolutely necessary. WTM is filling fast. :))
Interestingly enough, I'm having a similar experience: no headaches, fatigue, etc. Of course, I may be speaking too soon. I'm only on day 3.

I have two questions for anyone out there:
1. I heard that eating more then just the lemon juice isn't a good idea because it will activate the stomach. I'm wondering if they mean just the fiber or is the pulp included? I have been straining my lime juice, but would like to stop if this is not necessary.

2. I had three glasses on day 1 plus plenty of water, and four glasses on day 2. I heard that six glasses should be the minimum, so I'm shooting for that today. Just wondering how harmful four or five glasses a day would be.
.

It is fun to post, esp when people respond and encourage you. :) To answer your questions:

1 - You should keep straining the juice. I have read that the pulp is enough to keep your stomach activated.

2 - My first couple of days, I only had 4 or 5 glasses. As the days went by, I felt hungrier and have been having 6 glasses. I was wondering myself if it was ok to have less than the "minimum" but I didn't seem to have any adverse effects. Make sure you drink enough water to keep your body hydrated and able to flush toxins.
Keep up the good work kenliljuun! :)

Today is day 7 for me. I'm doing better with not wanting to eat (don't get me wrong - I'm still looking forward to real food again!). Still no major detox symptoms, but things seem to be working pretty well. 3 days to go.  ;D

Blessings to everyone else who's doing the cleanse. :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mexmarr January 26, 2007, 04:11:25 AM
Today is day 7 for me. I'm doing better with not wanting to eat (don't get me wrong - I'm still looking forward to real food again!). Still no major detox symptoms, but things seem to be working pretty well. 3 days to go.  ;D

Wow, 7 days and no major detox.  I'm impressed!  You must be in pretty good shape.

I'd love to do this cleanse, bu I'm 20 weeks pregnant, soon to be nursing, and low blood sugar to boot.  So I doubt it'll happen.  Maybe I'll get my dh to do it for me! ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 26, 2007, 04:21:04 AM
Haha - my dh is very supportive of me doing the cleanse, but I HIGHLY doubt he would ever bring himself to do it.  :) I guess I could just be pretty healthy - I'm only 23 and have eaten better than the typical American diet (plenty of fruits and veggies) and rarely eat fast food but my mom didn't get into other grains and organic food until a couple years ago...so I don't know. If nothing else, it's a good exercise in self control! I'm sure there are other cleanses out there that are less drastic that your body might be able to handle, after you're done nursing of course.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mexmarr January 26, 2007, 04:50:01 AM
Actually, my dh needs it more than me.  While he had had a pretty good diet all his life, the past year he worked spreading chemicals on fields.  He was exposed to a ton of yucky stuff on a regular basis.  We'd love to get it out of his system, so he would actually consider it!  I was glad when we moved and he left that job behind!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: titus2wam January 27, 2007, 07:14:22 AM
Well today is day 5 for me. Yesterday was a difficult day i was very hungry and crabby all day. I am still cold, i have lost a large amount of water weight. I do not know how much in pounds as we do not have a scale  ::)! But the difference in my lower legs and hands as well as other places is amazing. This has been i guess a slow process of building up with out really seeing it only knowing i was feeling worse and worse. KWIM.
Anyway, just wanted to give an update and say i am thinking of all that are doing this at theis time.

Jeri in NM
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: SC January 28, 2007, 03:41:57 AM
If any of you are planning on doing a Master Cleanse this year, I'd advise doing it now. According to reports, we can expect a major lemon shortage here in the US due to a freeze of the CA crops. I know that there was some shortage last year in the organic crop. Looks like we'll be paying higher prices to import lemons from Israel.
http://www.knx1070.com/pages/184809.php?contentType=4&contentId=289990
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio January 28, 2007, 08:32:17 AM
If any of you are planning on doing a Master Cleanse this year, I'd advise doing it now.

In fact, it may even be too late!  Oranges and Lemons have doubled in price, already!!!  :'(
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 January 28, 2007, 05:45:15 PM
Hi everyone. Just wanted to say that I've made it through Day 9. I'm planning to stick it out through Day 10, but I'm really ready to get back to a normal diet. After the first few days, I was ok with not eating and always felt satisfied, but today I've been feeling cranky...I want food! :) The cleanse has gone pretty well - no major detox symptoms (not even an icky tongue!) but I have noticed an increase in energy, a loss of a few inches around my waste (don't have a scale to determine weight loss but I sure do feel better) and a general "cleaned out" feeling. I also haven't had my usual allergies to cats. I was at both my parents' and my in-laws' houses (both have cats) this weekend and didn't have any allergies! I hope that benefit sticks around. I'm really looking fwd to some veggie broth and hoping I can take going back on food slowly enough. I hope everyone else is doing well with the cleanse. Keep it up - it's worth it!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kenliljuun January 30, 2007, 07:56:50 PM
Congrats, Sunshine06! You must be at the veggie broth in the evening stage by now. I'm on day 8. Still straining my limes. (thx for the advice). I miss food dearly, but contemplating adding two more days. Want to lose a few more lbs. Down 6 so far..
I'm assuming we can continue the concoction while drinking orange juice...right? (after the cleanse, that is)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: FaithAcre January 30, 2007, 08:54:01 PM
I'll be starting my cleanse here on Friday.  Bought some lemons already and since we know all about the citrus shortage (all the windmill mechanics here in the fruit bowl of WA have been living in CA lately!) I'm planning on going back to the store and stocking up.

Can't wait to start! Anyone else just started or starting soon?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ajbusby January 31, 2007, 06:39:25 AM
I'll be starting my cleanse here on Friday.  Bought some lemons already and since we know all about the citrus shortage (all the windmill mechanics here in the fruit bowl of WA have been living in CA lately!) I'm planning on going back to the store and stocking up.

Can't wait to start! Anyone else just started or starting soon?

Hello, I did start yesterday and felt great until 5 pm. I started getting a headache and then by 6:30 was throwing up. This lasted until 2 am and then this morning at 8 am I did the salt water flush and up it came too. So now I am a little hesitant to drink my lemonade this morning. Has anyone experienced detoxing to this degree? I am assuming I'm detoxing, but am not sure. Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Bek February 01, 2007, 08:01:38 AM
Hello everyone! I'm brand new to this site, and have been doing some major research on the master cleanse because I have the majority of the ED symptoms. Fatigue, irregular cycles (since puberty), and mood swings are among the worst. I was curious if this Lemonaide Diet/Master Cleanse would be good for me since I am 120 lbs. and are in training for a marathon. My husband and I are trying to concieve, have only been married for 3 months, but no baby, so that is the reason for the marathon training (I like to run). I've never done a cleanse before either. Any suggestions?? Could something else be wrong with me? I just assume I have ED because of the symptoms, and previous handling of herbicides and pesticides for an entire summer. It just makes sense, but I could be wrong.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ajbusby February 01, 2007, 09:12:17 AM
Well, I am on day three and I feel fine. After my elimination yesterday, I felt much better, no more headache and the nausea was all gone. I think that I was very toxic to get sick like that. At least I know this is working!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 01, 2007, 11:46:07 AM
Hello everyone! I'm brand new to this site, and have been doing some major research on the master cleanse because I have the majority of the ED symptoms. Fatigue, irregular cycles (since puberty), and mood swings are among the worst. I was curious if this Lemonaide Diet/Master Cleanse would be good for me since I am 120 lbs. and are in training for a marathon. My husband and I are trying to concieve, have only been married for 3 months, but no baby, so that is the reason for the marathon training (I like to run). I've never done a cleanse before either. Any suggestions?? Could something else be wrong with me? I just assume I have ED because of the symptoms, and previous handling of herbicides and pesticides for an entire summer. It just makes sense, but I could be wrong.
It depends on the probability of candida overgrowth.  If you have candida related problems then this diet would exacerbate the problem.  Read these links for more info.

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio February 01, 2007, 03:10:15 PM
I was curious if this Lemonaide Diet/Master Cleanse would be good for me since I am 120 lbs. and are in training for a marathon. My husband and I are trying to concieve, have only been married for 3 months, but no baby, so that is the reason for the marathon training (I like to run). I've never done a cleanse before either. Any suggestions?? Could something else be wrong with me?

Have you always ran marathons?  I am going out on a limb here, but I am wondering if marathon running is really healthy for your "female" organs.  I used to run cross country in school.  I had almost no period after training for a few years.  I heard of my fellow collegues going off to college and running with unsuccess at conceiveing.  The ones that did conceive stopped running.  Maybe there is a correlation.  Maybe there isn't.  Just a thought.  Good luck on the cleanse should you decide to do it!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama February 02, 2007, 05:04:23 AM
I had the same reaction as HIO...and was going to PM you Bek until I realized you are new -WELCOME  :) - and can't read PM's yet...
Definitely if you want to conceive it would be worth reducing and stopping the running for a few months at least to see what will happen.
If you start the cleanse a little underweight? you might want to moniter your loss carefully and use alot of the lemonade with extra syrup...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 02, 2007, 05:12:16 AM
Hello everyone! I'm brand new to this site, and have been doing some major research on the master cleanse because I have the majority of the ED symptoms. Fatigue, irregular cycles (since puberty), and mood swings are among the worst. I was curious if this Lemonaide Diet/Master Cleanse would be good for me since I am 120 lbs. and are in training for a marathon. My husband and I are trying to concieve, have only been married for 3 months, but no baby, so that is the reason for the marathon training (I like to run). I've never done a cleanse before either. Any suggestions?? Could something else be wrong with me? I just assume I have ED because of the symptoms, and previous handling of herbicides and pesticides for an entire summer. It just makes sense, but I could be wrong.


Wow, that's interesting b/c I have a friend who runs CONSTANTLY (lots of miles every day) and she's having hormonal issues too.  For a long time she didn't have a period at all.  Now she has mood swings and other stuff.  I wonder if all the running has anything to do with it?  ???  I'm totally clueless in this area, just wanted to comment that I knew someone with the same sort of problems.  :D ;)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 02, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
Oh, also, she's does the lemonade fast a few times a year but only for three days b/c her diet is so strict she doesn't have alot of toxins from food. 

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara February 02, 2007, 05:24:28 AM
The female body must contain at least 18% body fat (approx) to have normal fertility cycles, which is why many women athletes have difficulty getting PG.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Bek February 02, 2007, 06:57:20 AM
Thanks for the replies and input! I greatly appreciate you all!  :D Healthybratt, it seems very likely I could have candida because I have several of those symptoms as well. I had forgotten to mention that I have sore breasts too. Sometimes I get that before a period, but it has been about a year that I've had that as a PMS symptom. I've had sore breasts for a week now, and still no period  :-\ Even though I hate to give it up, I do think not running would probably help my health. HIO this would be my first marathon, I'm generally a sprinter, and did run in college as well. OH! I had forgotten to mention also (so sorry!) that I've had cysts on my ovaries, and burst one about 2 years ago, while in college, which is when I found out I had cysts. The pain associated with the cysts occured only when I was running and the pain had increased since puberty. It was always the worst when I was trying to get into shape, but the pain disappeared when I was in shape. I haven't had any pain from cysts for half a year now. I don't even know if I have cysts anymore ??? It's all too confusing to me as to what is wrong. I have several symptoms of both estrogen dominance and candida. Any ideas as to what I should do? Thanks!  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio February 02, 2007, 09:45:57 AM
Bek,

Cysts on the ovaries are very common in women who run long distances.  Could be you have some excess scar tissue built up.  I would look into the MC for yeast and look into healing your "female" organs.  You can tone them up with herbs(RRL) without all the running.  Do wish you the best of luck with it!!  ;)

Here is a thread on sore breasts(seems like there is a correlation to caffeine):
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1629.0.html
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ajbusby February 05, 2007, 10:34:29 AM
Hello, I have a few questions. I am new to all this, but I have been reading here a lot and am now on day 7 of the cleanse. My first question has to do with the liver/gallbladder cleanse. I'd like to do this soon, however I have not done the parastie cleanse and was wondering if I could start the Yeast Assassin on day 11 of this cleanes, or even now, and then how long do I have to wait until I do the liver/gallbladder cleanse? Can anyone answer this for me? 
I plan on ending the M.C. on the 10th day, do I continue with the salt water flush, as I will be drinking the lemonade in the mornings still?
My hubby would like to start soon, but has an hour commute to work each morning, so he'd rather do the salt water flush in the evening, is there a problem with that?
Thank you all so much!
Angela
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 05, 2007, 11:47:04 AM

My first question has to do with the liver/gallbladder cleanse. I'd like to do this soon, however I have not done the parastie cleanse and was wondering if I could start the Yeast Assassin on day 11 of this cleanse, or even now, and then how long do I have to wait until I do the liver/gallbladder cleanse? Can anyone answer this for me? 
I plan on ending the M.C. on the 10th day, do I continue with the salt water flush, as I will be drinking the lemonade in the mornings still?
My hubby would like to start soon, but has an hour commute to work each morning, so he'd rather do the salt water flush in the evening, is there a problem with that?
Thank you all so much!
Angela

Way to go, Angela--Day 7!   ;D

I don't know when would be best to start YA...it seems like Day 11 would be good, when you're done...you're in a good position to kill the little buggers.

I think the SWF is optional after Day 10...it's to clean stuff out...some people still have stuff for a few days, and that would help get it out.  I do it from time to time, still.

I wonder about the SWF in the evening...I don't think that'd be a problem...it makes things move w/i an hour or so...but you detox a lot at night and if he didn't flush it out in the AM, he might be feeling crummy detox during the day.  Can he get up a bit earlier to "get the job done" at home? 

Those who know more will see your post, I'm sure, and offer better assistance--you're almost there!  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ajbusby February 05, 2007, 04:15:38 PM

My first question has to do with the liver/gallbladder cleanse. I'd like to do this soon, however I have not done the parastie cleanse and was wondering if I could start the Yeast Assassin on day 11 of this cleanse, or even now, and then how long do I have to wait until I do the liver/gallbladder cleanse? Can anyone answer this for me? 
I plan on ending the M.C. on the 10th day, do I continue with the salt water flush, as I will be drinking the lemonade in the mornings still?
My hubby would like to start soon, but has an hour commute to work each morning, so he'd rather do the salt water flush in the evening, is there a problem with that?
Thank you all so much!
Angela

Way to go, Angela--Day 7!   ;D

I don't know when would be best to start YA...it seems like Day 11 would be good, when you're done...you're in a good position to kill the little buggers.

I think the SWF is optional after Day 10...it's to clean stuff out...some people still have stuff for a few days, and that would help get it out.  I do it from time to time, still.

I wonder about the SWF in the evening...I don't think that'd be a problem...it makes things move w/i an hour or so...but you detox a lot at night and if he didn't flush it out in the AM, he might be feeling crummy detox during the day.  Can he get up a bit earlier to "get the job done" at home? 

Those who know more will see your post, I'm sure, and offer better assistance--you're almost there!  ;)

Thank you for answering so quickly! I am looking forward to NOT doing the SWF, but I now know what works when I need it!!
My hubby and I were just talking tonight, and I think we came to the same conclusion as you, get up earlier! That would mean 4:30 a.m., I'll see if I can talk him into it.  :D   Angela
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 07, 2007, 12:09:51 PM
 Can someone please give me some advise for my husband!! He is on his first day on MC and is having a terrible headache. He is ready to take pain relievers! Please anyone, what can he try? ??? :-[
  He successfully emptied his bowels and is on his third quart of the lemonade!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 07, 2007, 12:13:09 PM
Try ice on his head and more maple syrup???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama February 07, 2007, 12:18:56 PM
Can someone please give me some advise for my husband!! He is on his first day on MC and is having a terrible headache. He is ready to take pain relievers! Please anyone, what can he try? ??? :-[
  He successfully emptied his bowels and is on his third quart of the lemonade!!
Drink lots of water!!! and get in an Epsom salt bath or a sauna for a little. Get out immediately if you start feeling worse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 07, 2007, 12:25:27 PM
More water, lemonade and maple syrup.  I 2nd the salt water baths.  His headache is probably either from detox or deficiency.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 07, 2007, 12:26:48 PM
 Thanks for the ideas, he's on his way into a epsom salt bath. Keep them coming!
  
  I already massaged some peppermint oil into his temples, but I feel desperate to find relief for him because he BADLY needs to do this ( history of unhealthy eating habits) and I so much don't want him to give up!
 He says he's feeling a little sick to his stomach, so drinking allot of water right now ian't working.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 07, 2007, 12:29:01 PM
he can have herbal tea.  if you've got some herbs around, you might try some tummy tea (it helps headaches too).  equal parts red rasp leaf, peppermint leaf and catnip.  it should relax him, soothe the tummy and the headache.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 07, 2007, 12:38:14 PM
 I have peppermint tea. Does that help? I guess it would sooth his tummy and get more fluids down....Off to brew him some...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 07, 2007, 12:42:25 PM
Maybe put some ginger in his tea or bath?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 07, 2007, 12:46:00 PM
Maybe put some ginger in his tea or bath?
Yup, that might help too.  Good idea.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 07, 2007, 12:47:04 PM
I have peppermint tea. Does that help? I guess it would sooth his tummy and get more fluids down....Off to brew him some...
Yup, that might work too.  All three herbs have similar qualities.  Mixing them, just seems to make the effect more efficient.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Bek February 07, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Bek,

Cysts on the ovaries are very common in women who run long distances.  Could be you have some excess scar tissue built up.  I would look into the MC for yeast and look into healing your "female" organs.  You can tone them up with herbs(RRL) without all the running.  Do wish you the best of luck with it!!  ;)

Here is a thread on sore breasts(seems like there is a correlation to caffeine):
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1629.0.html
This is way late...but thanks to all who have helped me!!! :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 07, 2007, 04:03:54 PM
Epson salt baths, YES! 

Drink, drink drink!  More lemonade, but water, too. Flush out whatever's bugging him.  :(

Peppermint oil diluted in oil on his head?   ???

Pressure points?

How is he now?

It does pass...if that's much consolation.   :(
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Texas Girl. February 07, 2007, 06:40:10 PM
Can someone please give me some advise for my husband!! He is on his first day on MC and is having a terrible headache. He is ready to take pain relievers! Please anyone, what can he try? ??? :-[
  He successfully emptied his bowels and is on his third quart of the lemonade!!

Encourage him to hang in there!  I had *THE* most blinding, miserable headache my first day of doing the MC, but by the 2nd day it was gone.  From what I've read, it was probably from the caffeine withdrawal.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 08, 2007, 07:42:44 AM
  Ladies thank you so much! I'm sure that if i hadn't been able to read him these stories of others that got very sick he would have taken pain medication.
  I think this goes down in the books for the most severe detox I have ever heard of. Not only did he have a splitting headache, he started feeling sick to his stomach, so no matter what I said about more water he wouldn't take anything anymore. I did try the peppermint on his forhead and he said it felt good.
  Well then he had a strong epsom salt bath, which seemed to relieve the headache some but when he got out it was even worse and he started sweating and he said he felt feverish, his head was beading sweat. He felt worse until he threw up :P :P  He finally fell asleep with his headache.
   He said he has waited out headaches for 24 hrs in the past so he expected to wake up this morning with a headache, but lo and behold. I believe God heard the children and my prayers for him, he woke up feeling GREAT ;D ;D
   I am sooooo happy. The headache is gone and he didn't have to take anything! so he's going on with the cleanse. Hopefully the worst is over for him!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 08, 2007, 09:46:24 AM
   I am sooooo happy. The headache is gone and he didn't have to take anything! so he's going on with the cleanse. Hopefully the worst is over for him!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/smilies/mbounce.gif)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ajbusby February 08, 2007, 02:04:29 PM
Kamom, I had a very similar start, only I didn't stop throwing up until I got some of the SWF (as some of it came up too :P) into my system and I flush those toxins out! That was day 2. I felt great the rest of the day. The only other issue I have had is on Sat. I didn't do my SWF till 10 am or so, normally I take it at 8, and I got the shakes and felt nauseated until I was through with flushing...
So anyway, I am on day 10 today, YEAH!! ;D And I feel great! I have lost a total of 12 pounds, and look at this as a jump start to loosing more and eating better. Now if I can just get my hubby to rise at 4:30 am. for ten days, then he too will do this.  ::)  Angela
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 09, 2007, 10:44:30 AM
I have a few questions about the Master Cleanse...

My husband says he feels "toxic".  I was surprised to hear him say that!!  He has quite a few allergies, takes antihistamines daily and is addicted to nasal spray (can't breath without it).  He has recently had a cold of some sort that won't go away.  He told me he wanted to do a cleanse of some kind and I suggested the Master Cleanse.  Does that sound like a good idea?   

I was planning to do the cleanse already but think maybe we should do it separately.  Have any of you cleansed at the same time as your husband or wife?    I thought I might be a better support if I were not having any of those detox symptoms  :) 

He wanted to start on Tuesday - do you think it is necessary to have the book?  I'm not sure if I can buy it in my town so might need to postpone the cleanse if the book is a necessity
Thanks to anyone who is able to answer any of my questions.
Stacy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 09, 2007, 11:46:12 AM
I wanted to add that he is a little scared of the sea salt and cayenne!
Stacy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom February 09, 2007, 12:29:35 PM
My husband says he feels "toxic".  I was surprised to hear him say that!!  He has quite a few allergies, takes antihistamines daily and is addicted to nasal spray (can't breath without it).  He has recently had a cold of some sort that won't go away.  He told me he wanted to do a cleanse of some kind and I suggested the Master Cleanse.  Does that sound like a good idea?

Antihistamins are toxic to the liver & the liver is needed to detoxify histamine so anything that helps the liver cleanse would be good. Most likely we will need to do repeated cleanses. Each time his body will cleanse deeper than the one before it. The Master Cleanse seems to me to be a great place to start.

I wanted to add that he is a little scare of the sea salt and cayenne!

The cayenne can burn on the other end if he takes a lot but I use LARGE amounts of cayenne sometimes & it's not that bad. As far as the salt, I didn't think you used salt with the Master Cleanse. I thought it was the lemon aid made with lemon, maple syrup & cayenne. Isn't one of the other cleanses the one were you use salt water? I'm not positive & I don't have time to read through the entire thread right now but someone else here would know for sure. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 09, 2007, 12:50:21 PM
I have a few questions about the Master Cleanse...

My husband says he feels "toxic".  I was surprised to hear him say that!!  He has quite a few allergies, takes antihistamines daily and is addicted to nasal spray (can't breath without it).  He has recently had a cold of some sort that won't go away.  He told me he wanted to do a cleanse of some kind and I suggested the Master Cleanse.  Does that sound like a good idea?   

I was planning to do the cleanse already but think maybe we should do it separately.  Have any of you cleansed at the same time as your husband or wife?    I thought I might be a better support if I were not having any of those detox symptoms  :) 

He wanted to start on Tuesday - do you think it is necessary to have the book?  I'm not sure if I can buy it in my town so might need to postpone the cleanse if the book is a necessity
Thanks to anyone who is able to answer any of my questions.
Stacy
If you think there's a possibility of candida, the master cleanse could make it worse.  You may want to review the symptoms of candida and leaky gut before you decide to try the master cleanse. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama February 09, 2007, 01:13:38 PM
I wanted to add that he is a little scare of the sea salt and cayenne!
Stacy
The salt water flush is something to just get over w/ and really does make you feel better in the end. :)
The cayenne is not a big deal. I just made sure to swirl my lemonade each time before drinking so that I didn't end up with all of it in the last mouthful. Even when adding extra cayenne it wasn't really noticable :)

The Master Cleanse is pretty intense IMO for someone who is in poor condition. I'd really recommend a few weeks of conditioning first... the water cure, streamlined diet, and maybe a parasite/yeast cleanse + herbs to support liver detox.
I really do think the Master Cleanse is a good idea at some point. If he goes ahead immediately I'd just prepare for a rough first day or two without telling him that  ;) Doing the cleanse together would give you a distraction from your own discomforts  ;) :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 11, 2007, 06:02:26 AM
This is interesting.  Just last night I began my 16 page journey  :D through this thread b/c I want to do this at some point.  My baby will be 1 this month, I am not sure how long she will nurse(we still enjoy it quite a bit.  ;))but I want to be ready and know what I'm doing when she is done.  Then I sat down to watch TV last night and they said Monday night on the news on one of my local stations they are going to talk to a woman who lost 40 pounds doing.......drum roll......the lemonade diet.   ;D :o  So, I will watch and see what they have to say about.  It in the meantime I will read here(I'm still only on page 1)to get the best advice.  I am home today b/c baby is "sick" runny nose.  So maybe after I get all my work done(HA yeah right, it's never done)I will get to read some more and get myself psyched up.   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 11, 2007, 10:05:37 PM
Thanks to herbalmom, HB and boysmama who responded to my questions!!  I really appreciate it.
I shared the info with my husband and is is planning to start on wednesday.  This should be interesting!!! ;D
I REALLY want to do it too.  It is now 1 am and I have spent so much time on here reading over this thread and also the one on candida.  I am not certain that I have yeast problems but know it could be a possibility.  At the moment I generally feel yuck, but I have been sick for 2 weeks.  Anyway.....I would like to do the yeast assasin just incase.  But it will be a while since I would have to order it and all.  My 31st b'day is coming up at the end of the month and I would love to feel great.  That sounds SO silly!  Do you know what I mean though?  I am not overweight but weigh more than I normally do and feel uncomfortable.  I think a little fasting and cleansing could give me the boost I am looking for. 
I also want to take some time out from food to help me make some changes.  I would start tomorrow but am teaching a bible study on tuesday night and am worried that my brain (or body) might be out of whack.  So I think I will start on wednesday with hubby.
Thanks to all of you who have shared your experience so that others can get a little peek into what to expect!  I'll let you all know how we do. 
Stacy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 12, 2007, 06:19:49 AM
 Pennie,
   Do let us know how long a cleanse the 40 lb weight loss took. I'm finding this very interesting. My DH has lost allot more then I did and he's not at day 10 yet. Seems like some people loose more weight on it. I only lost 10 lbs and half of that I gained right back.
  Anyone willing to post how much you lost?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 12, 2007, 07:56:52 AM
Anyone willing to post how much you lost?

I did the MC for 18 days in December and lost 19.  I've gained back about 7.  I'm in the 140s and I'm 5'6", so it's a decent weight for me.  Would love to lose more, and would, if I'd stay away from "sweets and grease"...LOL.  Anyone know where that phrase is from?   ;)  I crack up everytime I think of that dialogue....
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara February 12, 2007, 09:45:39 AM
Dont' guys always lose more, faster than women? Seems that way...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 12, 2007, 05:14:08 PM
Pennie,
   Do let us know how long a cleanse the 40 lb weight loss took. I'm finding this very interesting. My DH has lost allot more then I did and he's not at day 10 yet. Seems like some people loose more weight on it. I only lost 10 lbs and half of that I gained right back.
  Anyone willing to post how much you lost?
Well, they didn't say exactly how long she did it.  But she was at 199 when she started and she did it partly b/c of an ulcer which her symptoms are gone.  They said the diet is(they were calling it a diet, they did refer to it as the master cleanse once)7-10 days long and this lady lost 10-12 pounds each time for a total of 39.  I kind of got the impression she did it 10 days each time.  Course they did have a naysayer on there to but this lady thinks it's great. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 14, 2007, 06:21:43 AM
Ok ladies.....
I'm sitting here drinking the salt water!!  This is day 1!  Hubby went to work with his "supplies"  I'll keep you posted.
Stacy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 14, 2007, 07:35:41 AM
Hi again all,
The mom and kids we had over to our home yesterday called to tell me they have strep!  I'm wondering if I should postpone the cleanse and start loading up on echinacea or something.  Any suggestions?
I don't want to...I was so excited to start this.
Stacy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 14, 2007, 08:16:00 AM
Get out your colloidal silver and gargle!!!   
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 14, 2007, 08:16:17 AM
Way to go Stacy!   ;D

My initial response is that you could keep going w/ it...won't you clean out any germs?  I'd keep going, especially given you've drank the salt water?  What do others think?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 14, 2007, 08:26:24 AM
Way to go Stacy!   ;D

My initial response is that you could keep going w/ it...won't you clean out any germs?  I'd keep going, especially given you've drank the salt water?  What do others think?
I was wondering if the cleanse might clean out some germs.  I'm still going at the moment.  I'll tell hubby when he gets home for "lunch" and see what he wants to do.  He has been very susceptible to strep in the past but he was not home when they were here yesterday so he has a bit less of a chance of getting it.  Just whatever germs were left behind.

The gargling is an idea too.
Thanks for the input.
Stacy 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 16, 2007, 08:05:16 AM
I know you're supposed to do salt water in the morning and laxative tea at night, but are you allowed to drink any other kind of tea to help with the detox symptoms?  For example, say you are really nauseous, can you drink ginger/peppermint tea?  Just wondered in case this happens - DH and I are starting tomorrow!  So, what are the worst days for detox?

Thanks,
abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Julia February 16, 2007, 02:03:51 PM
 
As far as the salt, I didn't think you used salt with the Master Cleanse. I thought it was the lemon aid made with lemon, maple syrup & cayenne. Isn't one of the other cleanses the one were you use salt water? I'm not positive & I don't have time to read through the entire thread right now but someone else here would know for sure. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

Herbalmom, I just read through the Lemonade Fast book so I can answer this. You do drink the lemon, maple, & cayenne drink, and you are supposed to have a BM every day so he reccommends (along with a laxative tea at night) that instead of enemas, which he doesn't think are natural and he doesn't like that they only get the lower part of the colon, you do this "salt water flush." It's 1 quart of lukewarm water w 2 tsp salt. I guess the way the salt and water molecules bond together it is the same saltiness as blood or something so somehow it can't absorb into your bloodstream or your kidneys, not sure if I'm getting this exactly right. Anyway, being that it can't absorb either of these places - where does it go? Right through your GI tract and out the other end. So you basically get an enema through your entire GI tract but you don't have to actually do the "E" word. I do wonder if it was a little dangerous, though, putting that high dose of salt into your system all at once. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 16, 2007, 02:38:11 PM
I know you're supposed to do salt water in the morning and laxative tea at night, but are you allowed to drink any other kind of tea to help with the detox symptoms?  For example, say you are really nauseous, can you drink ginger/peppermint tea?  Just wondered in case this happens - DH and I are starting tomorrow!  So, what are the worst days for detox?

Thanks,
abbilynn

He says you can have peppermint tea...I had other herbal flavors (CS Dessert Teas) in the beginning to help me keep going.  I think Days 5 and 8 are rough, personally, as far as detox goes.  Others say the 1st 2 days are the roughest.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 16, 2007, 05:35:42 PM
what do you ladies think about a child doing this cleanse?  7yrs old?  I know he really shouldn't do it for 10 days although I think someone said you really should do the full 10 days but also someone said you don't really lose weight if you don't need to.  So what about having a kid do it for one day at a time? Not saying I would or could get him to but sure seems like he could use a good detox. I have started him on the water cure.  Sort of.  We did it good two days ago but yesterday and today I wasn't vigilant enough.  He doesn't mind the taste though.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 17, 2007, 02:51:31 AM
Pennie,
 Sorry, I don't realy have an answer for you. IMO it wouldn't be a good idea since children are still growing and need to get proper nutrients. Maybe some older wiser mon will have some insight.
  Interesting update from my DH   ;D ;D
 He went on to do 9 days of the MC. Then in the afternoon of the 9 day he decided that he wanted to eat! Well, he wouldn't listen to my advice about slowly easing into eating, broths etc. He wanted FOOD ;D so I cooked him some carrots, cabbage, onions and peas, flavored with olive oil and sea salt, which he ate with relish. Then I went out for groceries and while I was gone he finished a jar of peanuts that he found,this wasn't nearly full ::) ::)  When I got home he ate a big salad for supper :o :o
 I went to bed before he did and the next morning he told me he passed a whole bunch of green marbles :o :o He wondered if they were gall stones. I cannot figure out what happened that caused him to do this. This is the same stuff I passed on the liver flush, but he did not do the liver flush. One thing I do want to mention is that he had been using epsom salt to flush out in the morning, instead of sea salt. It worked just as well as far as flushing him out. I fill six capsules and he would wash it down with a HUGE glass of water.
  Has anyone else had these results from the MC??  By the way ending his cleanse with all those veggies didn't seem so bad after all. If thats what caused the gallbladder cleanse! :D :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 17, 2007, 04:32:14 AM
I thought you were going to say he got sick.  I did a water fast once for a month and one night I decided I was hungry......BAD idea.  There was a burrito in the fridge and it looked SO good and I thought oh, come on.  It was the best tasting burrtio I ever ate and I thought I would DIE.  My stomace hurt so bad it scared me.   ::)  Won't make that mistake again.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl February 17, 2007, 06:10:26 AM
The peanuts are full of fats, and if he'd been doing epsom salts, his biliary ducts were relaxed and open any way. He did a liver flush with the peanuts! LOL - good for him!

How is he feeling today? Make sure he takes lots of probiotics, and still continues with lots of liquids. Once the body begins detoxing, it likes to continue, even if it is at a slower rate. If he quits drinking water now, he'll get sick as the moving toxins will pile up instead of passing through.

Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 17, 2007, 06:36:54 AM
   He marvels at how good he's feeling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot imagine with all that he has eaten since he started eating again ::) ::) Including some Valentine chocolates and other undesirable stuff ::) ::)
    The green marbles happened with more then one BM :P I am very excited for him because out a family of 11,including his parents only TWO people, him and one other still have their gallbladders, the rest all had theirs out! What did HB mention once are health problems hereditary or are the same bad eating habits causing the same problems. Aside from a very itchy rash on his belly and arms he is doing GREAT!  And wants to do the whole thing again soon.  YEAAAA!  ( he lost 15 lbs and is excited about that)
   
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 18, 2007, 07:59:08 AM
Well, DH and I are on day 2 of the MC.  He's feeling fine, no major detox and isn't hungry.  I, on the other hand, feel horrible.  :-\  I have a major headache and last night I was really crampy and had some pain in my liver area.  ???  I also feel hungry most of the time.  Yesterday I was adding 3 Tbl. of maple syrup to try and cure the hunger thing but it didn't help much.  I think my metabolism is really messed up b/c I've had severe hyperthyroidism twice.  I eat and eat and eat and can't gain a pound.  Do you think the MC will help balance this out?  I'm also hoping to get rid of four ovarian cysts I've had for about five months.  We were thinking about doing the liver flush next Friday (will be day 7).  Is it okay to do the salt water flush in the morning and then the epsom salt stuff at night for the liver cleanse?  Do you still take the laxative tea then?  Wow, this really is hard!!!  I miss food so much!!  :o :'( 

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 18, 2007, 11:29:44 AM
Hey, I just found this.  It's kinda neat.  :)

abbilynn

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=578805
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 18, 2007, 11:34:19 AM
Hey, I just found this.  It's kinda neat.  :)

abbilynn

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=578805

WOW!  Thanks I wish I'd have had this when I did it.  Very helpful.  :D  I'll share w/ my sister & friend who're planning this soon.  I plan to do it again this year, and my Dad wants to, too, which is AMAZING!

How are you feeling now? Hang in there!  It does get easier after the hunger pains subside.  Keep us posted!  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 05:44:45 AM
We made it to day 3!  ;D  DH still feels fine.  Today was his first day at work while fasting so we'll see how that goes.  :-\  I feel better today, no headache.  I have a little more energy too.  Man, I almost caved in last night!!  I wanted food SOOOOO BAD!!!  But it's a little better today.  I'm having alot of pain in my ovary/uterus area, maybe from my cysts.  Hopefully that means my body is getting rid of them.  ???  My tongue is still yucky and white.  But, 7 more days to go!  :D  Anyone ever drink kombucha while doing the MC?

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 19, 2007, 06:05:13 AM
Good for you!!  :) :)Hang in there! :-*
 
 I don't know about the kombucha.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 19, 2007, 06:12:26 AM
I'm wondering how many people have done other cleanses b/f the master.  Is it really necessary or just better?  And some specifics on how you felt better?  Thanks  Oh, and if your hormones are off could it be b/c you are toxic and if you got rid of them your hormones would work better?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Lavender~Rosemary February 19, 2007, 06:45:42 AM
Abbilynn,
Good for you!!  That is awesome.  You are a tough cookie!

If you scroll back a few posts you will see that my husband and I started day one.  But that is where it ended!  With the threat of strep throat looming  and a few other things - we quit that evening!  I am disappointed but plan to do it again.  My husband is a preacher so spends much of his day studying and preparing lessons - he just couldn't think.  It seems like a better idea to do the first day or two when you can be home.  He has always had a hard time not eating. 

I also had a  hard time by the evening.  Trying to cook dinner for the kids and homeschool etc.  I think it might be better to stagger it and have one start earlier so we are both not having hard days at the same time.

I'm so embarrassed to admit that we didn't get past the first day!

In the meantime I read up on candida and am certain that is a problem for me so I have ordered Yeast Assasin and will do that before trying again.

Anyway.....all that to so "stick with it!"  you are doing great.  Keep us posted.
Your progress is encouraging for the rest of us.
Stacy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 19, 2007, 07:14:29 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/zippyboot/Bounce/bounce06.gif)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kainos February 19, 2007, 07:49:51 AM
I am not sure if I am posting in the correct place, as I am still trying to find my way around this forum...but can anyone tell me the difference (if there is any) between grade A and grade B organic maple syrup for the MC?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: oneblessedwoman February 19, 2007, 08:20:43 AM
I haven't read through this whole tread, but I have a question about detoxing on the MC.  I did just a day of the MC, to try it out.  By the end of the day I was having abdominal cramps, diarrhea, and a head ache.  Is that normal detox for this fast?  Does it get better?  Should  I detox on food for a while before trying out the cleanse again?  I appreciate the insight.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio February 19, 2007, 08:24:01 AM
but can anyone tell me the difference (if there is any) between grade A and grade B organic maple syrup for the MC?

Grade B maple syrup supposedly has more nutrients in it.  Check out this link for more info. :
http://www.massmaple.org/grading.html
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 08:25:47 AM
Sounds like basic detox.  It does get better.  (Well, my headache is coming back a bit.  :-\)  But I hear by day 4 it really starts to subside.  If you think you are really toxic you could do some gentle cleanses first.  I started out doing the water cure for about three weeks.  I also started eating the Maker's Diet.  I was taking Yeast Assassin and TTU AB for awhile too.  Oh, and lots of kombucha!  So, that started the detox process for me.  My detox on the MC so far has been kinda rough, but I'm sure it would've been WAY worse had I not done that other stuff before hand.  Just my opinion though.  ;) :D

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 19, 2007, 08:33:33 AM
Abbilynn,
Good for you!!  That is awesome.  You are a tough cookie!

If you scroll back a few posts you will see that my husband and I started day one.  But that is where it ended!  With the threat of strep throat looming  and a few other things - we quit that evening!  I am disappointed but plan to do it again.  My husband is a preacher so spends much of his day studying and preparing lessons - he just couldn't think.  It seems like a better idea to do the first day or two when you can be home.  He has always had a hard time not eating. 

I also had a  hard time by the evening.  Trying to cook dinner for the kids and homeschool etc.  I think it might be better to stagger it and have one start earlier so we are both not having hard days at the same time.

I'm so embarrassed to admit that we didn't get past the first day!

In the meantime I read up on candida and am certain that is a problem for me so I have ordered Yeast Assasin and will do that before trying again.

Anyway.....all that to so "stick with it!"  you are doing great.  Keep us posted.
Your progress is encouraging for the rest of us.
Stacy

Thanks aussieinamerica!  ;D  Don't feel bad about not making it past the first day!  My dad tried it the same time I did but was fighting a bad cold so he stopped too.  I'm sure the YA will help prepare you for the MC.  I told hubby I need to make a list of all the things I'm hoping the MC gets rid of so I can look at it every time I think I'm caving in or can't handle the detox symptoms! LOL  :D  That'd be good motivation.  I drank about 1/2 glass of kombucha and I have a headache now.  So, either it helped release more toxins, or I just shouldn't have drank it!  I thought maybe it would help curve any yeast that would accumulate from the maple syrup.  Maybe that wasn't a good idea?!?!  ::) ::)  Anyway, gonna try some hot peppermint and ginger tea for the headache.  I'll keep ya posted.  ;)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kainos February 19, 2007, 09:06:51 AM
Thank you for the help. I appreciate it!


but can anyone tell me the difference (if there is any) between grade A and grade B organic maple syrup for the MC?

Grade B maple syrup supposedly has more nutrients in it.  Check out this link for more info. :
http://www.massmaple.org/grading.html
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: oneblessedwoman February 19, 2007, 09:45:27 AM
Sounds like basic detox.  It does get better.  (Well, my headache is coming back a bit.  :-\)  But I hear by day 4 it really starts to subside.  If you think you are really toxic you could do some gentle cleanses first.  I started out doing the water cure for about three weeks.  I also started eating the Maker's Diet.  I was taking Yeast Assassin and TTU AB for awhile too.  Oh, and lots of kombucha!  So, that started the detox process for me.  My detox on the MC so far has been kinda rough, but I'm sure it would've been WAY worse had I not done that other stuff before hand.  Just my opinion though.  ;) :D

abbilynn

Thanks!  I will have to look at some gentle detox before the master cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 12:29:30 AM
Day 4!  :)  Anyone else have trouble with the laxative tea?  I drink it at night and by 5am I'm having alot of pain and cramping in my intestines.  I thought I read on the box it was supposed to be gentle and reduce cramping?  :o  DH doesn't have this problem.  I wish I could skip it, it's really painful.  Any suggestions on this one?

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 20, 2007, 02:16:58 AM
I'm sorry you're cramping!   :(  Mine used to happen at 5 AM, too, so I started taking it later to move it up the crampin/elimination to more like 7 AM.

Is it Trad. Med. Smooth Move?  I had cramping once or twice with it.  Have you tried making sure it's really diluted?  Or taken w/ extra water?  Other herbs would help reduce the cramping...chamomile, cat mint...drawing a blank on the others.

I'll keep thinking on it!

Keep it up--you're almost halfway there!   :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 02:48:48 AM
Oh, maybe I'm brewing it too strong?  :o  I put it in a coffee cup and cover with almost-boiling water, then let it sit about 5 min.  I have some chamomile I could add to it.  I'll try that tonight and see if it helps.  Thanks for the tip!  :)  Oh, yeah, it is Traditional Medicinals Smooth Move.

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 20, 2007, 02:49:27 AM
So where do you get the book for this cleanse? do you think my library will have it?  It seems a little more complicated than just drinking the lemonade.  Is it?  Thanks.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 02:52:27 AM
You can get the book on half.com for $3.19.  Our library had it also.  I liked reading it b/c it gave some good background info and stuff.  Although, I think the guy has some other "different" views you have to just read past! LOL  ;D  HTH

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 20, 2007, 03:09:12 AM
You can get the book on half.com for $3.19.  Our library had it also.  I liked reading it b/c it gave some good background info and stuff.  Although, I think the guy has some other "different" views you have to just read past! LOL  ;D  HTH

abbilynn
Thanks.  I will check my library first.  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: his.silly.wife February 20, 2007, 03:43:57 AM
Check this message for a free download of the master cleanse book.  It has a .pdf attached to it.
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 20, 2007, 03:49:25 AM
Check this message for a free download of the master cleanse book.  It has a .pdf attached to it.
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768)
double thanks!!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 20, 2007, 03:57:32 AM
Check this message for a free download of the master cleanse book.  It has a .pdf attached to it.
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768)
double thanks!!  ;D
Okay, so I downloaded it. Is it in my computer now?  I can't seem to go back and find it.   :-[ 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 20, 2007, 04:27:55 AM
So where do you get the book for this cleanse? do you think my library will have it?  It seems a little more complicated than just drinking the lemonade.  Is it?  Thanks.

There's that raw food site that has lots of good info, too...the download was helpful for me--I didn't use the book....www.therawfoodsite.com
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: his.silly.wife February 20, 2007, 04:29:56 AM
Okay, so I downloaded it. Is it in my computer now?  I can't seem to go back and find it.   :-[ 

Do you have a My Downloads file?  Do a search for a file called "TheMasterCleanse"  it is all one word.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 20, 2007, 04:39:51 AM
Thank you ladies.  I somehow found it  ::)  then I just printed it off so I woudln't have to worry about it again.   :)  I like paper to read off of anyway..  I spend too much time at this computer as it is....but don't tell anyone I admited that.   :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 05:33:51 AM
Man, I'm totally craving a cheeseburger!! Or maybe Papa John's pizza!!  Or, hmmm...... what about a big grilled chicken salad with veggies and ranch!!  :o :o  Ah!!!  This is hard.  ::)  :-\  Even carrot sticks sound delicious at this point. LOL  :D  I think I picked the wrong time to do this since I started that fun monthly "issue" yesterday.  :'(  So, I crave tons of food this time of the month anyway.  But I'm gonna hang in there!!

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 20, 2007, 05:51:18 AM
Oh, abbilynn! I feel for you!   :-\

You have Papa John's pizza, too?    :o

My parents were thrilled to eat carrot sticks.   :D  I craved my egg rolls and jalapeno poppers...and um, Ben & Jerry's Karamel Sutra.   ::)  They say you crave the things that make you sick/toxic.

I did my MC on the 1st day of my cycle, so I missed those cravings.  I can empathize, though--I have them now!

Hang in there!   :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 February 20, 2007, 06:19:59 AM
Hang in there - it's worth it! :)

I was wondering tho - if you crave healthy things, then they can't be things that make you sick and toxic right? Around the middle of the cleanse, I was craving everything (basically missed eating) but my specific cravings throughout were usually for healthy things (like salsa or avacados or salad). So what does that mean?

Keep it up everyone - you're doing great!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 07:01:01 AM

 So what does that mean?



It means we're HUNGRY!! LOLOL  ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;) ::) ::) 
Oh, BTW, did I mention I loved food?  Yeah, I love food.  I'm hungry.   :D ;)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Leilani February 20, 2007, 08:05:07 AM
Day 4!  :)  Anyone else have trouble with the laxative tea?  I drink it at night and by 5am I'm having alot of pain and cramping in my intestines.  I thought I read on the box it was supposed to be gentle and reduce cramping?  :o  DH doesn't have this problem.  I wish I could skip it, it's really painful.  Any suggestions on this one?

abbilynn
[/color]

just wanted to add here that I had trouble with the smooth move too. About half way through the cleanse I quit drinking it because I was having movements about 1 am!! not fun! The salt water flush every morning seemed to work fine without the tea.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 February 20, 2007, 09:01:44 AM
I did have some discomfort and interrupted nights with the laxative tea (also drank Smooth Move). I figured that it just meant it was working and I'd only have to endure 10 days of it. I can't say that I had any pain really, just discomfort enough to keep me awake for a while (and that only happened some nights, others were fine). I don't really have a suggestion, just wanted to say that you're not alone. :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama February 20, 2007, 12:20:36 PM
Day 4!  :)  Anyone else have trouble with the laxative tea?  I drink it at night and by 5am I'm having alot of pain and cramping in my intestines.  I thought I read on the box it was supposed to be gentle and reduce cramping?  :o  DH doesn't have this problem.  I wish I could skip it, it's really painful.  Any suggestions on this one?

abbilynn
I skipped it.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 20, 2007, 12:56:47 PM
I started reading the book today.  I REALLY am reading but I am still nursing. She will be one on Sat. Right now I am having major difficulty not eating.  Not necessarily "bad" food just kind of nonstop.  I have no will power right now.  MY question is for those of you that have completed it, did you apptetite really change?  The book says people didn't want certain foods that they had liked b/f.....for instance chicken.  Have any of you noticed a difference that way? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper February 20, 2007, 02:41:24 PM
  Ummmmm.............no i pretty much craved all the bad foods and can't really say that it changed my eating in the long run. Eating NT style is what has made all the difference.  My sugar cravings have majorly disapeared and i don't feel as bloated after meals. The food satisfies without leaving me feel like a cow. I'm not putting the master cleanse down, i think it can be a good thing. I wonder if i didn't do it long enough, i just didn't see a big difference in what i wanted. The one thing i did notice was after the cleanse i couldn't handle sugar very good. I craved it but it gave me belly ache and i felt awful. It's defintely been getting better since we changed our diets and i've done a few liver cleanses.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 20, 2007, 05:35:06 PM
So, at what stage in the MC does your skin clear up?  Just wondering so I have something to look forward to!  :D ::)  Mine's pretty broke out right now and has been for the last 3-4 months. 

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ILoveGodsWisdom February 20, 2007, 05:39:17 PM
It didn't clear my skin up...but it 'might' clear yours up...I guess it depends on what's causing your skin to be unclear!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 21, 2007, 03:02:49 AM
It didn't clear my skin up...but it 'might' clear yours up...I guess it depends on what's causing your skin to be unclear!
Oh, no!  I am convincing my husband that doing this will get rid of his rash which I am convinced is fungus.   :o  He has never done a longish fast and never for health.  He thinks 10 days sounds like a long time.  I am curious about this guys take on honey.  Sounds to me like he is saying it is always bad to ingest honey.  He said "an authority" said it but didn't say who the authority was.  I was just curious b/c we have replaced most of our sugar with honey to healthier and I am just wondering now if that isn't helping? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 21, 2007, 03:18:26 AM
Oh, no!  I am convincing my husband that doing this will get rid of his rash which I am convinced is fungus.   :o 

Have you checked out the Fungal-Bacteria thread and how Dead Sea Salts and nothing else (creams, etc...) aid in healing fungal rashes?  It's been revolutionary for us!

Not sure why he's anti-honey...?????
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 21, 2007, 03:58:33 AM
Oh, no!  I am convincing my husband that doing this will get rid of his rash which I am convinced is fungus.   :o 

Have you checked out the Fungal-Bacteria thread and how Dead Sea Salts and nothing else (creams, etc...) aid in healing fungal rashes?  It's been revolutionary for us!

Not sure why he's anti-honey...?????
Haven't tried dead sea salt but we have tried everything else I think.  :P  Diet antifungals.  My dad even brought him some diflucan stuff from brazil he took for like 90 days.  It always helps but never gets rid.  Okay, I had this long "discourse" here but it was off topic so I will take it to the fungal thread.  Thanks yoopermama  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama February 21, 2007, 07:39:26 AM
It didn't clear my skin up...but it 'might' clear yours up...I guess it depends on what's causing your skin to be unclear!
Oh, no!  I am convincing my husband that doing this will get rid of his rash which I am convinced is fungus.   :o  He has never done a longish fast and never for health.  He thinks 10 days sounds like a long time.  I am curious about this guys take on honey.  Sounds to me like he is saying it is always bad to ingest honey.  He said "an authority" said it but didn't say who the authority was.  I was just curious b/c we have replaced most of our sugar with honey to healthier and I am just wondering now if that isn't helping? 
I felt like the author of the cleansing book was way off on several things. As for the honey I felt like he was WAAAY off as honey has been a prized food for way back in history. I also am a Christian and take what is mentioned in the Bible seriously. IMO honey is highly endorsed as a food in the Bible.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 21, 2007, 07:47:01 AM
It didn't clear my skin up...but it 'might' clear yours up...I guess it depends on what's causing your skin to be unclear!
Oh, no!  I am convincing my husband that doing this will get rid of his rash which I am convinced is fungus.   :o  He has never done a longish fast and never for health.  He thinks 10 days sounds like a long time.  I am curious about this guys take on honey.  Sounds to me like he is saying it is always bad to ingest honey.  He said "an authority" said it but didn't say who the authority was.  I was just curious b/c we have replaced most of our sugar with honey to healthier and I am just wondering now if that isn't helping? 
I felt like the author of the cleansing book was way off on several things. As for the honey I felt like he was WAAAY off as honey has been a prized food for way back in history. I also am a Christian and take what is mentioned in the Bible seriously. IMO honey is highly endorsed as a food in the Bible.
Good point! me too.  :D  I didn't totally buy it b/c he didn't not say who the "authority" was that said it. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 21, 2007, 10:43:17 AM
Day 5!  I don't feel so good today.  :-\  I had a bad headache last night and this morning.  I drank a cup of hot ginger tea and it went away after I slept a little longer.  I feel tired, and no matter how many glasses of lemonade I drink, my stomach is still growling.  I even added extra maple syrup.  I'm kinda light-headed too.  I started out weighing 118/119lbs., and I'm down to 114lbs.  I know that's all water weight, but I'm hoping I don't drop anymore (I"m 5'8.5"!!).  Did anyone else feel so starving like this by day 5?

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 21, 2007, 03:15:29 PM
  Did anyone else feel so starving like this by day 5?

abbilynn

bump
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 21, 2007, 04:07:34 PM
abbilyn,

I recall Day 5 being hard, but not sure if hunger was why.   ??? Do you mean your stomach is growling or that you really want to eat?


Are you straining your lemonade so that you're not getting pulp?  That can keep the stomach going and prevent it from shutting down.

You don't sound like you have any weight to lose!   :o

Hope it gets better for you!

Half way there!   :)

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 21, 2007, 05:42:10 PM
I have a book called Fast Your Way to Health and that man says that true hunger doesn't come from you stomach.  Not sure what all that "growling" is but apparently it isn't hunger.   :D ???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 22, 2007, 03:57:08 AM
Is it a Christian author?  What does he have to say and does his fast have any sweetener of any kind in it?  This could be an alternative for those of us with Candida issues.  What did you decide to do after reading the MC?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 22, 2007, 04:14:39 AM
Yes, he is a christian author..  He was a preacher.  His name was J. Harold Smith.  I don't believe the book is in print any more.  My dad bought me this copy on ebay I think.  He was going to be a dr. but he got saved 7 days after he got his degree and God called him to preach.  Anyway......as a result of this book I did my month long water fasts.  I think I only did one month long the other long one was three wks.  My only thing is it never has changed my appetite afterwards.  Bummer.  I felt GREAT while doing it.  My mom says when she tried to fast she is so lethargic she doesn't know how I keep up with five children and the house and school while doing it.  But I have a ton of energy and believe it or not my desire to bake and cook good things for my family increases.  But I have never......well, I guess I can't say that b/c I have gotten pregnant after fasts so I dont' know if the weight loss would have "stuck" or not. The only thing I took while doing his fast was water and I would do an acv cocktail.  The Braggs also have a book "The miracle of Fasting" (they are kind of overboard in some things in my opinion)but it is also good for motivation and I got their book at the library.  The don't enourage long fasts however.  They say 1 day a week and 4 7-10 fasts a yr.  Everyone has a different opinion though. I have read books that say you should juice fast not water fast and my natropath says fasting is "old school" and they don't recommend that anymore but......This preacher fellow I believe lived well into his 90s so.........I guess you just have to know your own body and do what feels right in these cases.  AGAIN the Bible does advocate fasts.  Okay, well, I just looked at amazon.com if you are interested and Fast Your way to health by J. Harold Smith.....there are 7 it says starting at 1.26.  Man, all this fasting and cleansing talk has me anxious to start but I dont' think we have even begun to wean yet and I really dont' want to rush that....... ::) :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 22, 2007, 04:56:15 AM
My husband and I talked about that last night.  We need to do a 'family' fast of sorts and a 'kitchen cleanse.'  He knows he needs to change his eating habits and I know sugar has effected us all so we want to get all the temptation out of the house and start fresh.  We are visiting some friends in mid March so we couldn't decide when to cleanse.  You can't be a guest in someone's home and say 'no thanks we don't eat those things' so we thought we'd just do either a 'binge on all that's left and start when we get back' or a 'throw it all away and start eating better so the detox isn't so bad when we finally do it.'  I'm too cheap to throw anything away as a rule but I'm thinking the candy corn has to go!  But that's just me since I don't like that stuff anyway!  Personally, I'm still looking at the MC to go cold turkey!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 22, 2007, 05:04:08 AM
My husband and I talked about that last night.  We need to do a 'family' fast of sorts and a 'kitchen cleanse.'  He knows he needs to change his eating habits and I know sugar has effected us all so we want to get all the temptation out of the house and start fresh.  We are visiting some friends in mid March so we couldn't decide when to cleanse.  You can't be a guest in someone's home and say 'no thanks we don't eat those things' so we thought we'd just do either a 'binge on all that's left and start when we get back' or a 'throw it all away and start eating better so the detox isn't so bad when we finally do it.'  I'm too cheap to throw anything away as a rule but I'm thinking the candy corn has to go!  But that's just me since I don't like that stuff anyway!  Personally, I'm still looking at the MC to go cold turkey!
Oh, I'm definitely an "eat it all today so I can start over tomorrow" kind of person.   :-[ ::)  Plus I hate throwing things out too.   :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 22, 2007, 06:01:07 AM
abbilyn,

I recall Day 5 being hard, but not sure if hunger was why.   ??? Do you mean your stomach is growling or that you really want to eat?


Are you straining your lemonade so that you're not getting pulp?  That can keep the stomach going and prevent it from shutting down.

You don't sound like you have any weight to lose!   :o

Hope it gets better for you!

Half way there!   :)



Yeah, my stomach was seriously "growling," like hunger pangs and all!  :o  It was bad.  It makes sense about straining, I just thought I read in the book you could include the pulp and even the peel blended up for extra cleansing.  So I didn't bother straining it.  But I'll do that today!  I feel better today so far.  I must be really toxic.  :-\  I did take a ton of prescription drugs, antibiotics, and OTC meds throughout my life.  :'(  I was always sick (intestinal issues, thyroid, sinus infections, etc.).  Anway, I feel better today and now just the middle of my tongue is white and nasty instead of the whole thing!  ;D  So, maybe I'm on the home stretch now - still waiting for my face to clear up though................  ;) :D

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 22, 2007, 09:32:13 AM
Two new questions. 1) Do you think ti would be beneficial to drink the lemonade w/ syrup and pepper w/o doing the fast?  Say for a child.  Maybe once glass of it a day?  2)Do you think doing the salt water flush would be okay to do w/o doing the cleanse? Would it work the same way?  Thanks.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 22, 2007, 09:50:04 AM
I gave it to my kids when they had some major congestion and it helped but they didn't like it!!!  I don't know what other benefits that might have so someone else could maybe answere that.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 22, 2007, 09:58:35 AM
I gave it to my kids when they had some major congestion and it helped but they didn't like it!!!  I don't know what other benefits that might have so someone else could maybe answere that.
Thanks for the reply.  I was thinking the congestion.  I am just reading about how the cleanse helps allergies and everything.  I am sure my son wouldn't like it either but I think he would do anything to get rid of the itchy stuffy nose and itchy watery eyes.   I know it seems cruel to not give him benedryl or something but I just so dont' want to fill him up with that stuff and I don't know what else to do.  He is already taking some standard process things and they don't seem to be cutting it today.  Thanks again T
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 22, 2007, 10:25:24 AM
I thought I read you could do the salt water flush any time.  As long as it's on an empty stomach, like first thing in the morning.  Can't remember where I read that, but I remember them saying it's helpful if you eat something off your diet and want to flush it out the next morning.  Anyway, my dad has another fasting book that's very similar to the Master Cleanser book and it said you could do the lemonade in the morning and afternoon and a small meal at night.  So it'd be like a partial fast.  HTH.  :)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T February 22, 2007, 10:33:12 AM
I gave it to my kids when they had some major congestion and it helped but they didn't like it!!!  I don't know what other benefits that might have so someone else could maybe answere that.
Thanks for the reply.  I was thinking the congestion.  I am just reading about how the cleanse helps allergies and everything.  I am sure my son wouldn't like it either but I think he would do anything to get rid of the itchy stuffy nose and itchy watery eyes.   I know it seems cruel to not give him benedryl or something but I just so dont' want to fill him up with that stuff and I don't know what else to do.  He is already taking some standard process things and they don't seem to be cutting it today.  Thanks again T

I would try some colloidal silver in a nebulizer for your guy.  I don't know about allergy symptoms getting better but it took away croup in my 3 yo that we had been fighting for 2 years!  Hope he feels relief!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: servantgirl February 22, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
Hi Abbi,
Just thought I'd drop by and let you know I've been following your progress  and I'm very impressed! You are really hanging in there. Great job! 8)
Jen
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 22, 2007, 11:02:53 AM
Thanks Jen!!  ;D  I'm trying!  ;) :D

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama February 23, 2007, 05:49:19 AM
You all have given me such helpful information. I'm on day three of the fast, and have already lost a total of 8lbs (In the first two days). Does that sound safe? The book says 2lbs a day, and I have probably 60lbs to lose, so I'm thinking since I have SO much to lose maybe that's it. Does anyone know, or has anyone lost that quickly?
Thanks,
Liesl
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kamom February 23, 2007, 06:50:08 AM
 My Dh lost around 3lbs a day the first 5 days or so. He was very glad, I think the weight loss kept him going. :)
  Happy cleansing :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kati*did February 23, 2007, 06:59:43 AM
You all have given me such helpful information. I'm on day three of the fast, and have already lost a total of 8lbs Thanks,
Liesl

Hey Liesl!!!  Kudos to you --  ;D ;D  Is dh doing it too? 

Katie
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio February 23, 2007, 07:02:57 AM
New MC question:

I am thinking about having dh do the MC.  He is already scrawny enough as it is.  Is this okay for someone who is already borderline underweight?
I read the MC book awhile back and I don't remember reading this.  Anyone know?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 23, 2007, 07:08:51 AM
I thought I read somewhere back in here that since it is mostly to detox that the weightloss is a side benefit and if you don't have weight to lose you don't lose atleast not that much.  I believe abbilynn has lost a few pounds but not a ton and she is underweight from what I read.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 23, 2007, 07:11:53 AM
The book says if you are already an ideal weight you won't lose weight.  It also says if you are underweight you could gain weight at the end.  I started out at 118lbs (I'm almost 5'9" so I was underweight already!) and today (day 7) I weighed 111.5lbs. this morning and 113lbs. after I started drinking stuff.  So, I'm still waiting to see how it turns out.  I certainly can't afford to lose any weight!  And I'm hoping to gain it all back, plus some, when I start eating again.  I've probably just lost alot of water weight.  Anyway, according to the book it's okay for underweight people to do it.  HTH  ;D

abbilynn 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio February 23, 2007, 07:13:37 AM
Okay, thanks Pennie and Abbilynn!  :-*
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama February 23, 2007, 02:36:39 PM
Thanks Katie ;D Rob started with me, but last night quit. It's ok though, he's cooking for the kids the rest of the time that I do it ;D ;D... I miss you!

I think it was in this thread that Beeyoutifulgirl wrote about one of her sisters who had trouble gaining weight and after she did the MC gained weight. She might have been talking about yeast too though... I'll go back and see if I can find what she said about that...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama February 23, 2007, 03:02:58 PM
Here's what BeeyoutifulGirl said in an earlier thread.

My sister has the same weight problem as tjmjfamily and is WAY too thin. I was convinced she had Candida, although the doctor disagreed. She also had long term vaginal infections, chronic fatigue, and continual diarhea. I put her on Yeast Assassin, Tummy Tune-Up, Kefir, and the Maker's Diet.
I talked to her yesterday - she feels like she's be raised from the dead. She's hungry and eating like crazy, and all her symptoms are clearing up.

So, even though you are underweight, I don't believe the Cleanse would hurt you. However, if I were in your shoes, I would go this route first:

2 weeks of no yeast/sugars, with full doses of Yeast Assassin (or the equivalent) and Tummy Tune-Up or Primal Defense (or the equivalent.)

At the end of two weeks I think I'd do a liver flush and add an enema with parasite killing herbs:
Black Walnut Hull
Cloves
Wormwood
Grapefruit Seed Extract
Oil of Oregano
Make sure you stay very hydrated throughout the two days of the flush. This helps with blood sugar. I was also very hypoglycemic for years. It cleared up during my recent cleanses.

If all goes well thus far and if you are feeling strong... I would continue the yeast/sugar diet w/ supplements for one more week, and then begin the 10 day Master Cleanse.

You might try using quite a bit less maple syrup - or none at all. I've read that if you are underweight, the Master Cleanse should not take off much more, as it is designed to strip toxins, not healthy tissue.

My mom was your height and weight when she began a 21 day juice fast, years ago, in order to get her body reset so that she could get pregnant. She had several miscarriages, and a natural doctor recommended she do a cleanse. She lost a little more weight - but felt strong throughout the cleanse - and got pregnant with me soon afterward.

Hope this helps. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 24, 2007, 04:35:36 AM
Day 8!!  ;D  Almost there!  :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 24, 2007, 05:03:22 AM
Day 8!!  ;D  Almost there!  :o

Hooray!!!   :D

Day 8 can be the last rough day....hang in there! You've invested so much already...have you started to plan your return to juice and fruit and the like?  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 24, 2007, 10:47:26 AM
Day 8!!  ;D  Almost there!  :o

Hooray!!!   :D

Day 8 can be the last rough day....hang in there! You've invested so much already...have you started to plan your return to juice and fruit and the like?  :)


Yes, we bought orange juice for the first day off, and today I went grocery shopping and bought stuff for veggie soup.  I also got a bunch of other veggies and fruit and stuff for salad.  OH, it looked soooo good!!  ::)  I'm so ready to eat!  Today hasn't been too bad.  DH feels rough though.  But we're almost there, and the weekend goes by fast anyway.  I decided to wait to do the liver flush.  I'm going to take a silymarin supplement for awhile.  Then for a few days I'm going to drink apple juice and then do the flush.  I have a little bit of a headache and just don't feel like being sick all day tomorrow from the flush!

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama February 26, 2007, 06:12:41 AM
I'm on day six today, and I have a massive headache. Does anyone have any ideas for what to do to help it? I'm miserable!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 26, 2007, 06:53:11 AM
I'm on day six today, and I have a massive headache. Does anyone have any ideas for what to do to help it? I'm miserable!

I'm sorry!  A detox headache can be so miserable!  I had one Friday.  :(  Lasted 24 hours (which I think is typical).

I would DRINK lots of water...rest, if you can, peppermint oil rubbed into your forehead (diluted in another carrier oil like almond), tea made w/ some kind of cat mint or feverfew or chamomile...a hot Epsom salt bath, heating pad....low lights, low noise...boy, I know there are other things out there, especially in this thread!  I'm praying it will go quickly! 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 26, 2007, 06:58:20 AM
I'm on day six today, and I have a massive headache. Does anyone have any ideas for what to do to help it? I'm miserable!

I'm on day 10 and have had major headaches off and on.  I had one all weekend!!  :'(  Do you have any ginger root?  I made hot tea with a big chunk of ginger in it and let it soak for about 10 minutes then squeezed the ginger.  It helps headaches.  Helped my DH's detox headaches too.  :)  Like YooperMama said, drink lots of water.  And hey, that's AWESOME you've made it to day 6!!  ;D  You're more than halfway done!  Hang in there!  ;)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 26, 2007, 11:43:40 AM
I'm on day six today, and I have a massive headache. Does anyone have any ideas for what to do to help it? I'm miserable!
Water and more lemonaid.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 26, 2007, 02:08:49 PM
Did anyone else have trouble when they started the orange juice?  I drank some today like the book said and now my belly feels yucky and "acidic."  The Maker's Diet said to have vegetable juices and cultured dairy the first day, so I had some organic plain yogurt to try and reduce the acidity from the OJ.  I can't imagine drinking the OJ ALL DAY like the MC book says to do!  :P  If I just spent the last ten days healing my stomach (I had issues before) did I just ruin it with the OJ?  :'( :'(

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama February 26, 2007, 03:08:06 PM
Well, I'm not an expert, but I would think that the lemon you've been drinking would be as acidic as the orange? But, there's water in the lemon, maybe you could try to water the orange juice down a little? I don't think that it would hurt for you to go to vegetable juice though... I'm really no help at all ;D Hope you feel better soon!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama February 26, 2007, 05:34:13 PM
I can't seem to shake this head ache, it's been over 24hrs... It gets better then worse, it seems to move when I move my head, and it feels like it started at the base of my skull. Does that sound like a detox headache, or could it be something else? I've been keeping well hydrated, and drinking as much lemonaid as I can stomach. I don't know what else to try.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 27, 2007, 02:56:00 AM
sanchezmama and abbilynn,

I hope you two are feeling better this morning!  Saying a prayer that your bodies are healing and you are more comfortable.

Abbilynn--
How's your tummy? I think my OJ was watered down...was yours?

Sanchezmama--That ginger abbilynn suggested was a good idea...I read lots of good things about it in Duke's Green Pharmacy book.  Hang in there!

Praying today is a better day!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 27, 2007, 04:01:25 AM
Going back to food is not going well!  :'( :'(  I had plain liquids yesterday (OJ, watery plain organic yogurt, and fruit blended with rice milk).  I started to get a severe headache.  It lasted all night and now the back of my head and neck feel like someone took a baseball bat to them.  :o  This is the worst headache I've had the whole time!  It even hurts around my face, like my jaw line, forehead, and around my eyes and nose.  I feel nauseous too.  What is this from?  Detox or weaning back on to foods?  When I get to feeling like I could keep down something I'll try ginger but right now I'm sure it would come right back up.  :-\ :'(

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie February 27, 2007, 04:32:37 AM
Going back to food is not going well!  :'( :'(  I had plain liquids yesterday (OJ, watery plain organic yogurt, and fruit blended with rice milk).  I started to get a severe headache.  It lasted all night and now the back of my head and neck feel like someone took a baseball bat to them.  :o  This is the worst headache I've had the whole time!  It even hurts around my face, like my jaw line, forehead, and around my eyes and nose.  I feel nauseous too.  What is this from?  Detox or weaning back on to foods?  When I get to feeling like I could keep down something I'll try ginger but right now I'm sure it would come right back up.  :-\ :'(

abbilynn
Feeling that bad must be scary.  Headaches are the worst!  I dont' know if this will help you or not but in my fasting book after coming off of a longer fast this man says he used welches grape, fresh squeezed orange jucie or apricot juice.  He mixed 1 qrt of juice with one qrt of water. drinking a tblsp every few minutes making it last throughout the whole day(24 hrs)  When I did it I just used a med cup to measure it out of.  I dont' know if you want to try that or not when you are feeling better.  If you do and want to know more I will be happy to let you know more.  His coming off the 40 day fast was a 22 day ordeal also.  But he was doing complete water.  I would start out okay coming off but I always would go too fast.  But my longest was 30 days so.....Hope you are feeling better soon.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt February 27, 2007, 06:22:19 AM
It even hurts around my face, like my jaw line, forehead, and around my eyes and nose.
This sounds like sinus congestion.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 27, 2007, 07:10:06 AM
Yes, I thought the face/eyes/forehead thing seemed liked sinuses also.  So here's my theory.  I read that fasting helps loosen junk on the walls of the intestines and then eating helps you pass the junk/toxins out when you eliminate the food.  I also read that your body will try to eliminate toxins through your bowels, kidneys, skin and respiratory passages.  SO.....  I think that when I started adding other liquids yesterday it started to stir up all the toxic junk that fasting put in my intestines.  My body got "sick" and that's why I had the super bad headache/tension and sinus issues.  I did the salt flush again and after about an hour I started passing stuff.  (Okay, way too much info, I know!  :P :-[)  Now the tension in my head/neck area is minimal and I don't feel nauseous.  I just have a slight headache in the front of my head/face area still.  I ate boiled sweet potato with veggie broth and then drank some PB mixed with rice milk.  I'm feeling much better than this morning!  :)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl February 28, 2007, 04:43:16 AM
I am starting day 3 of the cleanse & so far I feel great!  Lots of energy & very little problem with hunger.  My only detox symptoms so far are a coated white tongue & a slight rash on the back of my hands in the evening yesterday.  I don't know if this is because of all of the more gentle cleansing that I did first or if it's gonna hit me upside the head soon. :D 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn February 28, 2007, 05:31:15 AM
Good Luck linemansgirl!!!  ;D ;D

Okay, so here's my update.  I did the cleanse for ten days.  Felt tired and had headaches off and on.  I was starving the whole time.  I went from 118/119lbs. to 110lbs. (that's what I weigh right now after eating for a couple days).  It wasn't too bad.  BUT.... after trying to wean back onto food things got ugly!  :o :o  I must have been storing those toxins until I started eating.  I had that excruciating headache and stiffness in my back skull, neck, and front of my head/face for two days.  It got severe yesterday afternoon and last night it was so bad that I had to go to bed so I wouldn't throw up.  All night my head hurt like that and I was nauseous.  I had major night sweats and my heart felt like it was pounding out of my chest.  Honestly, it was scary.  :'(  I don't know that I've ever had a headache that bad.  Anyway, I got up this morning with multiple trips to the potty and now I'm starting to feel better.  The pressure in my neck is gone.  I have a slight headache on the right side of my head/face but that's all.  I've been eating small amounts of food and my belly feels okay.  All in all, it was a weird experience.  I'm hoping I'll be glad I did it in a few weeks.  But at this point I don't plan on ever doing it again!  If all that in the last couple days was major detox, I hate to think about how bad it would have been if I hadn't done some other cleansing stuff before then!  :o  So, thanks guys for all the encouragement!!  You helped me stick with it!  ;D ;)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama February 28, 2007, 09:21:08 AM
Glad you're feeling better, abbilynn!   :)

Great start, linemansgirl!   :D

From the detox thread page...though it might be good here w/ all of the headache talk:

I have a question.  Does someone have a theory or fact as to why detox usually produces a headache?  I was just wondering about that. 

http://www.detox.net.au/articles/fasting-detoxification-reactions.htm

Here's a reason:

The toxins released in the blood thicken it...causing a headache....so drink, have a BM, or slow down the detox!

It also causes muscle tighness in the neck & shoulders, resulting in tension headaches.
quote]
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama March 01, 2007, 07:38:59 AM
How are you doing now Abbilynn? I hope you're feeling better! Any tips for when I come off of this?

Linemans girl, good to have you on board! How are you feeling today?

Today is day 9 for me!!! I'm so excited that I've made it this far. I think I'm going for 14 days, and maybe 21 depending on how I feel at 14.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 01, 2007, 07:51:39 AM
How are you doing now Abbilynn? I hope you're feeling better! Any tips for when I come off of this?

Linemans girl, good to have you on board! How are you feeling today?

Today is day 9 for me!!! I'm so excited that I've made it this far. I think I'm going for 14 days, and maybe 21 depending on how I feel at 14.

YAY!!!!  ;D ;D  That's awesome you've made it to day 9!!  I feel crummy.  Been off the cleanse for four days now and just can't get it together, I guess.  I've had more detox in the last three days than I did the whole 10 days of cleansing!  Headaches, neck pain, shoulder pain, diarrhea.  The site Yooper posted said it's all detox.  I get a little better every day though, just extremely tired.  I've woke up three mornings in a row now visiting the bathroom about ten times.  My sinuses are whacked out (plugged ears/nose).  So, I'm really hoping this detox is over soon!  All I want to do is sleep.  I'm eating okay now.  Made veggie soup last night.  I took Supermom this morning and now my stomach is hurting really bad, maybe I should've waited.  ??? ???  I've already taken two TTUAB today, and some Primal Defense last night.  Oddly enough, I've lost more weight since I started eating.  I'm down to 109.5 and that's NOT GOOD when you're 5'9"!!!  You can see my ribs sticking out from my body, it's gross.  :P  I'm eating frequently though, so it's a mystery to me!  I don't really have any great advice b/c I think my experience with this is not the norm.  Just take it slow when you start eating again.  I sure hope it goes better for you than me so far!  ;) :D  Thanks for asking.  :)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 01, 2007, 04:09:53 PM

Linemans girl, good to have you on board! How are you feeling today?

This is the end of day four for me.  I'm sitting here drinking my evening tea right now.  I still feel terrific!  I have so much energy.  My tongue was really gunky yesterday, it still is a little bit today but not much.  Maybe I'm not as toxic as I thought that I was.  Whatever the case may be I can definitely use the weight loss - 6.5 lbs this morning.

I hope that you get to feeling better Abbilynn, we don't want you to blow away.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 01, 2007, 04:54:56 PM


I hope that you get to feeling better Abbilynn, we don't want you to blow away.
[/quote]

ROTFL!!!  :D :D ;D :D  I'm trying not to, but it's questionable at this point!!  ;)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: paprika March 01, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Their is a book called "Medications and Mother's Milk" I bought from Le Leche League when I was pregnant and it is very thorough about what meds, herbs, etc are safe for nursing. The doctor who wrote it has done extensive research into it and has had several editions to the book. The lactation consultant that I saw also uses the book. I hope this helps!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Ami H. March 01, 2007, 07:48:59 PM
Is there an exact book on the Master Cleanse or a website with specific instructions?  I stopped by the enema website that Beeyoutiful recommended a few weeks ago, and quite frankly, their logo kinda freaked me out.  I had a little trouble getting past that.  So, is there any other resources?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 02, 2007, 12:30:25 AM
Is there an exact book on the Master Cleanse or a website with specific instructions?  I stopped by the enema website that Beeyoutiful recommended a few weeks ago, and quite frankly, their logo kinda freaked me out.  I had a little trouble getting past that.  So, is there any other resources?
This will take you to the link to find the book & download it in pdf format-
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.msg1768.html#msg1768
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 02, 2007, 09:10:19 AM
Linemansgirl - How ya feeling??

Sanchezmama - are you going longer than 10 days?

So, anyone ever heard of the MC CAUSING stomach problems instead of healing them???  ???  ::)  I didn't do the Supermom today and as soon as I eat any protein my stomach hurts, like burns and hurts.  But if I don't eat some protein I get hungry alot.  It feels like I ate a bag of rocks and they're sitting in my stomach.  I took psyllium seed and drank carob/rice water to stop visiting the bathroom (went about 15+ times yesterday - seriously) and it finally worked.  What about digestive enzymes?  Will my stomach/digestive system ever be normal??  :-\ ??? :'(  When I eat it's like a stabbing pain right in my gut.  I've been done fasting for about five days now.  Sorry to keep posting but I'm confused!!  Any suggestions here???

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama March 02, 2007, 09:24:41 AM
Linemansgirl - How ya feeling??

Sanchezmama - are you going longer than 10 days?

So, anyone ever heard of the MC CAUSING stomach problems instead of healing them???  ???  ::)  I didn't do the Supermom today and as soon as I eat any protein my stomach hurts, like burns and hurts.  But if I don't eat some protein I get hungry alot.  It feels like I ate a bag of rocks and they're sitting in my stomach.  I took psyllium seed and drank carob/rice water to stop visiting the bathroom (went about 15+ times yesterday - seriously) and it finally worked.  What about digestive enzymes?  Will my stomach/digestive system ever be normal??  :-\ ??? :'(  When I eat it's like a stabbing pain right in my gut.  I've been done fasting for about five days now.  Sorry to keep posting but I'm confused!!  Any suggestions here???

abbilynn
So sorry you're having all this trouble!  :'( I think it sounds like your body was just really, really toxic and you are still detoxing heavily. If this is the case your liver, etc is trying to cleanse and may not be producing the stuff necessary to digest heavier foods. Have you thought of doing a light diet for awhile? Maybe alot of things like kefir, yogurt, soaked oatmeal, maybe some raw eggnog drinks along w/ fruits and steamed veggies...Eat very small amounts frequently. Your body is telling you it doesn't want to be burden w/ digesting food yet... I would try to avoid most grains, regular unfermented dairy, meats, and cooked foods...just stick with the partially fermented, easy digesting raw foods, and lightly steamed stuff. I would drink some dandelion/burdock tea throughout the day as well -small amounts frequently and plenty of water and other plain teas like mint... supplement w/ probiotics too!
There that's my opinion  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 02, 2007, 09:55:05 AM
So, anyone ever heard of the MC CAUSING stomach problems instead of healing them???  ???  ::)  I didn't do the Supermom today and as soon as I eat any protein my stomach hurts, like burns and hurts.  But if I don't eat some protein I get hungry alot.  It feels like I ate a bag of rocks and they're sitting in my stomach.  I took psyllium seed and drank carob/rice water to stop visiting the bathroom (went about 15+ times yesterday - seriously) and it finally worked.  What about digestive enzymes?  Will my stomach/digestive system ever be normal??  :-\ ??? :'(  When I eat it's like a stabbing pain right in my gut.  I've been done fasting for about five days now.  Sorry to keep posting but I'm confused!!  Any suggestions here???

abbilynn

Oh, abbilynn!  I'm so sorry!  :(

Some thoughts....I agree that you might still be in detox.  The protein might be rejected b/c it's hard on your kidneys?  The stabbing pains sound like stones passing, maybe???

I think boysmama's post has good ideas in it for gentle foods that are easily digested (no grains, meats, treated milk)...and things to aid in digestion.

If I find anything, I'll holler...
Praying for a quick recovery
**********************************
This discussion might be helpful:
http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 02, 2007, 10:45:01 AM
Linemansgirl - How ya feeling??

I still feel great.  I feel like I could go out & run a marathon.  HA!  HA! :D

 I do have one question though.  When I do the salt water flush in the mornings I really don't get rid of much of it.  Is that healthy for me & should I keep on doing it?  I don't want to totally overload my system with salt.

I hope that you are feeling better soon abbilynn & are eventually happy that you did the MC. :'(
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 03, 2007, 05:08:10 AM
Linemansgirl - How ya feeling??

 I do have one question though.  When I do the salt water flush in the mornings I really don't get rid of much of it.  Is that healthy for me & should I keep on doing it?  I don't want to totally overload my system with salt.


bump
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama March 03, 2007, 10:09:44 AM
Linemansgirl- I don't know about the salt water wash, I've been drinking tea in the morning and in the night instead of the salt water. I've been thinking about changing to the salt, because I'm desperate for something SALTY! All this sweet is getting overwhelming!

Abbilynn- I'm so sorry that you're still not feeling well. I am going longer than 10 days. I'm day 11 and my plan is to go to 21. I'm still having major detox symptoms, and I don't want to be miserable when I go back to solid foods.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 03, 2007, 11:46:19 AM
Wow, Sanchezmama! That's really great - more power to ya! Hope you keep track of the whole process and let us know how it goes for you.
As far as overwhelming sweet goes, I've read that you can leave out the maple syrup for greater weightloss... so it's not totally necessary to the cleanse.

Abbilynn, I hate to say it, but it sounds like you might be dealing with parasites. Read the parasite threads and see what you think... Have you taken Yeast Assassin (it kills parasites) or any other parasite killing supplements? If not, you might consider doing that.

If it's not parasites, then my next guess would be that your stomach flora were not properly established before you began to eat regular foods. I would recommend:
Fast 24 hours, doing a salt flush or enema to empty your GI tract.
Eat plain yogurt for a full day.
Take a probiotic 3 times a day for the next week
Slowly ease back into a normal diet, beginning with vegetable broth, steamed veggies, salads, then some grains, and finally a little protein. This progression should take the 3 days following the day of yogurt.

That's my guess on the cause of your symptoms.

Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: shesaidthis March 03, 2007, 12:20:22 PM
Okay, you all have me thinking of doing this cleanse.  I have never done one, so I am a little nervous, but if I am going to do it I want to be thorough and get all the yuckies out.  Is there something to add to the cleanse in case there are parasites present?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 03, 2007, 01:51:55 PM
Wow, Sanchezmama! That's really great - more power to ya! Hope you keep track of the whole process and let us know how it goes for you.
As far as overwhelming sweet goes, I've read that you can leave out the maple syrup for greater weightloss... so it's not totally necessary to the cleanse.

Abbilynn, I hate to say it, but it sounds like you might be dealing with parasites. Read the parasite threads and see what you think... Have you taken Yeast Assassin (it kills parasites) or any other parasite killing supplements? If not, you might consider doing that.

If it's not parasites, then my next guess would be that your stomach flora were not properly established before you began to eat regular foods. I would recommend:
Fast 24 hours, doing a salt flush or enema to empty your GI tract.
Eat plain yogurt for a full day.
Take a probiotic 3 times a day for the next week
Slowly ease back into a normal diet, beginning with vegetable broth, steamed veggies, salads, then some grains, and finally a little protein. This progression should take the 3 days following the day of yogurt.

That's my guess on the cause of your symptoms.

Rebekah

Thanks Rebekah.  :)  I did YA for about two months or so, then quit for a couple months then started back up again a few weeks before I did the cleanse.  I was also taking TTUAB for about two months before starting the cleanse.  I had planned on starting the YA again after the cleanse.  I've started Primal Defense and planned on doing that for a month to build up the gut flora and then switch back to TTUAB.  Could it still be parasites?  ??? :P  The headaches are getting better.  My stomach still hurts when I eat though.  It's like a burning sharp pain.  I've been eating organic plain yogurt and drinking kefir.  Before the cleanse I was also drinking a TON of kombucha every day.  I haven't been having to make frequent trips to the bathroom (thank goodness!!  ::)) but did have some cramping this morning.  It doesn't seem to matter so much what KIND of food I eat, just eating in general.  We eat the Maker's Diet, and did before doing the cleanse.  This is all just so weird b/c I was looking forward to feeling like I had a "brand new stomach" but it feels worse than before!  The problem I had before the cleanse was having IBS a few times a week, even though we were eating super healthy.  But my stomach never hurt.    Now it just seems all jacked up! ;) :D  Anyway, right now I'm taking silymarin in the morning and TTUAB, drinking kefir and eating yogurt, and taking Primal Defense and Supermom at night.  It's slowly getting better.  I will start the YA again and see if that helps.  Thanks everyone for the advice and prayers!!  ;D

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 03, 2007, 02:08:41 PM
Well, it does sound like you've covered your bases.  :-\ However, if the probiotics are helping, then it stands to reason that you may still have some healthy flora issues, and possibly an ulcer in your gut due to years of mycelial yeast causing "IBS". So, I'd continue the probiotics, and ad Aloe juice to your diet, to help heal your gut, if there is an ulcer.

IMO, the lemonaide diet would NOT have healed an ulcer - but probably have made it worse, which may be why you experienced the sharp pains when you resumed eating.

-Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 03, 2007, 02:18:16 PM
Yes, that makes sense.  I do have aloe juice b/c I give it to the boys to help heal their guts, I will start drinking that.  You'd think with taking silymarin, CLO, Supermom, TTUAB, Primal Defense, YA, and drinking aloe vera, kombucha, and kefir I oughtta get somewhere!!  ;) :D :o  The MC book said a guy did it and it completely healed his ulcer that he would have otherwise had to have surgery for.  I've also read cayenne heals ulcers, and I always put it on my food.  Hmmm........ I just want some relief!  In fact, I just drank a glass of kombucha and now I'm in some serious pain!  Anyway, thanks so much for the advice - I'll let ya know how this turns out.  :)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 03, 2007, 02:32:24 PM
Kombucha can be pretty sweet and acidic - I think the acid would irritate an ulcer, and the sugar would promote yeast if it was already established. You might actually forgo your kombucha for a week or so while adding the aloe and see if that helps. History is important too - I don't know how you used to eat? Do you think yeast was your original problem?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 03, 2007, 02:39:44 PM
Ah, yes - the queen of sugar here!!!  ;D :D  We started "eating healthy" about two years ago, but I still had major sugar issues.  Then when I started the YA I had major die-off (headaches and stuff) so I definitely think yeast was a major problem.  But after taking YA for a couple months I had no more die-off and felt pretty good.  Maybe with the MC, I was super toxic and perhaps all those toxins getting released was hard on my stomach??  ???  I have a history of chronic stomach problems.  That's why I was so excited about doing the MC.  We've been eating strictly Maker's Diet for only about two months.  The kombucha never used to bother me.  I brew it pretty long (the stuff I drank tonight was brewing for two weeks!) so there shouldn't be much sugar left.  But you're right, looks like I need to skip it until I have this stomach thing figured out! 

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hodgy March 04, 2007, 01:27:43 PM
I am a diabetic and would like to do the master cleanse and read alot of the posting about it.  I was under the impression you need to do black strap molasses instead of maple syrup if diabetic but I also have massive yeast issues.  I would like to use stevia to replace black strap molasses, but worry I would not get the beneficial nutrients w/o the molasses. Any ideas regarding this?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 04, 2007, 03:55:22 PM
Okay, today I drank an ounce of aloe vera juice half hour before eating and that seemed to help.  Plus I drank a ton of kefir and took YA, TTUAB, silymarin, and S. Boulardii.  I think the problem was like Beka said, not having established good gut flora before the cleanse.  Maybe I would have had way better results by taking a strong probiotic like Primal Defense or Ultimate Defense DURING the cleanse.  Wiping out all the toxins took anything good with it.  So, at least I'm on the mend! :D ;) ;D  You guys are THE BEST!!!

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 04, 2007, 04:38:40 PM
abbilynn!
GREAT news!  Replacing good bacteria sounds familiar...the MC must have wiped out every little critter you had!   :o

As to the diabetes/stevia question...is that answered in this thread way back?  ??? I don't remember the answer....maybe www.therawfoodsite.com addresses it in the bulletin board?  That's been a good place for me to find answers, too.   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 05, 2007, 06:30:38 AM
Well I have made it to day 8!  I felt a bit grumpy part of the time over the weekend & had quite a bit of tension in my neck and shoulders, but I feel much better this morning.  I have lost 12.5 lbs. so far.  Yeah!  Now if I can just keep it up when I am done with the cleanse.  Drinking the laxative tea morning & night is working much better for me than the salt water flush.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sanchezmama March 05, 2007, 06:53:13 PM
BeeyoutifulGirl,
I'm getting a little nervous to end this fast. I've had gall bladder issues in the past, and I'm afraid since I've lost so much weight so quickly I will have trouble again. Tomorrow is my 14th day, and I was thinking about doing the liver gall bladder flush the next day, and then Continuing the MC for the next five or so days... Do you think that would work? I know you finished with the flush and it didn't work as well...
Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 06, 2007, 12:05:48 AM
Well I have made it to day 8!  I felt a bit grumpy part of the time over the weekend & had quite a bit of tension in my neck and shoulders, but I feel much better this morning.  I have lost 12.5 lbs. so far.  Yeah!  Now if I can just keep it up when I am done with the cleanse.  Drinking the laxative tea morning & night is working much better for me than the salt water flush.


YAY LINEMANSGIRL!!!  ;D ;D  Almost done!  I'm so glad it's gone well for you.  :)  Make sure to take it slow when coming off the fast and after my experience I would definitely recommend taking lots of probiotics and drinking kefir!!  ;) :D  Your body may wait to do major detox until after you stop fasting like mine did.  Let us know how you do.  :)

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Mom_to_12 March 06, 2007, 04:09:16 AM
OK, when you pass stones, (liver, gall bladder) :P where do these stones "exit"?  ::) And how in the world do you measure the amount (e.i.: 1/4 cup?)  ??? ??? ???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 06, 2007, 05:30:31 AM
Um...they pass out rectally.   ::)

Have you seen the Liver Flush thread or the Hulda Clark web site?  I think people play "Catch your Stones" w/ a colander.    ???

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Aren't you glad you asked?   :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 06, 2007, 01:50:36 PM
Ugh!  Today is day 9 & I feel terrible today although I don't think that it has much to do with the fast.  I started having a runny nose yesterday & I have a fever today.  Plus as I posted on another thread I am dealing with the stress of gunshot dogs.  I have been SO hungry all day today for the first time.  I am posting this to keep myself accountable.  I only have one day left, there is no way that I am going to give up now.  Plus I have lost 14 lbs. so far & wouldn't mind losing a few more.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 06, 2007, 05:10:53 PM
Ugh!  Today is day 9 & I feel terrible today although I don't think that it has much to do with the fast.  I started having a runny nose yesterday & I have a fever today.  Plus as I posted on another thread I am dealing with the stress of gunshot dogs.  I have been SO hungry all day today for the first time.  I am posting this to keep myself accountable.  I only have one day left, there is no way that I am going to give up now.  Plus I have lost 14 lbs. so far & wouldn't mind losing a few more.

Linemansgirl,
I'm praying that you will keep going...that God will strengthen you and speed up the detoxification process...keep drinking!  You're almost there!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 07, 2007, 03:56:35 AM

Linemansgirl,
I'm praying that you will keep going...that God will strengthen you and speed up the detoxification process...keep drinking!  You're almost there!

Thank you so much YooperMama!  I feel MUCH better this morning.  I know that I can make it now.  I am planning on starting tomorrow with apple juice to prepare for a gallbladder flush Friday.  When I start back on foods I will be eating low carb & taking YA.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Mom_to_12 March 07, 2007, 04:42:49 AM
Um...they pass out rectally.   ::)

Have you seen the Liver Flush thread or the Hulda Clark web site?  I think people play "Catch your Stones" w/ a colander.    ???

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Aren't you glad you asked?   :D

oh.   hmmm....   I thought maybe so...  in a colander  :o ...ewwwww.

I went to the site you recommended, and she says that you should kill off the parasites before attempting a liver cleanse.  I really want to do the Master Cleanse, but do I need to do this first?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Kati*did March 07, 2007, 04:44:35 AM
I am a diabetic and would like to do the master cleanse and read alot of the posting about it.  I was under the impression you need to do black strap molasses instead of maple syrup if diabetic but I also have massive yeast issues.  I would like to use stevia to replace black strap molasses, but worry I would not get the beneficial nutrients w/o the molasses. Any ideas regarding this?

Hodgy, here's a couple quotes from earlier in the thread:

As far as overwhelming sweet goes, I've read that you can leave out the maple syrup for greater weightloss... so it's not totally necessary to the cleanse.

As far as the Stevia goes, I believe that would work fine. If you have any yeast or candida symptoms, I think it would be BETTER to do stevia.

B Grade maple syrup is pulled during the second half of the season and is very high in minerals. It is not recommended for those with blood sugar imbalances, or candida.
HTH

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 07, 2007, 05:03:51 AM
I went to the site you recommended, and she says that you should kill off the parasites before attempting a liver cleanse.  I really want to do the Master Cleanse, but do I need to do this first?

That question is answered somewhere....maybe not in this thread...maybe in the "I'm ready to cleanse, where do I begin?" thread...or in the actual Liver Flush thread...beeyoutifulgirl addresses it I know.  I know that if I were just starting out again...I'd not do the MC 1st!  :o  Not sure where you're at w/ things, but to avoid a painful or disappointing experience w/ the MC, I'd explore The Water Cure, or the Liver Flush or smaller fasts (veggies, juices)...I'll see if I can dig up that answer... ;)

***************************************
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2570.30.html (Where to Start?)

I think you already mentioned finding the water cure...

Here's the Parasite thread...
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,873.0.html

Hope that helps...you'll get a definitive answer sooner or later!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 08, 2007, 03:44:13 AM
YEAH!!!!!!!!!  I made it!!!  I am sitting here sipping my first glass of apple juice & boy does it taste good!  Overall it was a very good experience.  One of the things that helped me the most was a daily epsom salt bath.  I lost 17 lbs. in all.  I decided to go ahead & do the liver gallbladder flush tonight because I have plans tomorrow night.  Thanks for the encouragement everyone!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 08, 2007, 03:52:26 AM
YEAH!!!!!!!!!  I made it!!!  I am sitting here sipping my first glass of apple juice & boy does it taste good!  Overall it was a very good experience.  One of the things that helped me the most was a daily epsom salt bath.  I lost 17 lbs. in all.  I decided to go ahead & do the liver gallbladder flush tonight because I have plans tomorrow night.  Thanks for the encouragement everyone!
[/quote[


YAY!  ;D ;D CONGRATULATIONS!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 08, 2007, 04:02:48 AM
How are you feeling abbilynn?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 08, 2007, 05:00:33 AM
YEAH!!!!!!!!!  I made it!!!  I am sitting here sipping my first glass of apple juice & boy does it taste good!  Overall it was a very good experience.  One of the things that helped me the most was a daily epsom salt bath.  I lost 17 lbs. in all.  I decided to go ahead & do the liver gallbladder flush tonight because I have plans tomorrow night.  Thanks for the encouragement everyone!

Whoo hoo!!!!

Way to go!  Love the weight loss...I'm still keeping most of it off, 2 months later (has it been that long?!).  The liver flush will seem like cake for you, I bet!  I mean, you get to drink juice, salt and oil...a different kind of cocktail!  :D

This calls for a celebration!  Where are HB's graphics?  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 08, 2007, 05:11:29 AM
Thanks YooperMama!  I got a whole dancing salad! ;D  Boy am I ready to eat a salad tomorrow.  That is what I have been craving the last couple of days.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 08, 2007, 05:41:38 AM
How are you feeling abbilynn?

MUCH better!!  ;D  Once I started building up the good bacteria things straightened out.  TTUAB, Primal Defense, and TONS OF KEFIR!!  :P  I feel pretty good now!  In fact, I've gained almost all my weight back (up to 117 now!  ;)) so that's good news.  I'm actually starting to feel glad that I did the cleanse and that it helped my gut!  Thanks for asking!  :) :D

That's awesome about your weight loss.  ;D  Good luck on your liver flush.  ;) :P

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl March 08, 2007, 06:01:11 AM


MUCH better!!  ;D  Once I started building up the good bacteria things straightened out.  TTUAB, Primal Defense, and TONS OF KEFIR!!  :P  I feel pretty good now!  In fact, I've gained almost all my weight back (up to 117 now!  ;)) so that's good news.  I'm actually starting to feel glad that I did the cleanse and that it helped my gut!  Thanks for asking!  :) :D


abbilynn

I'm so glad that you feel better & are gaining weight back.  ;D  I was worried about you there for a while.  Maybe you will be able to get a little bit of extra weight on which I thought was kind of what you were hoping for.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dollhouse March 12, 2007, 05:53:36 PM
Just weaned daughter last week.  Wondering if I needed to wait any certain length of time before beginning cleanse.  Also, if needed to wait any specific length before getting pregnant again after cleanse???  Was going to shoot for 10 day ish cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: tilly March 13, 2007, 05:27:00 PM
Just weaned daughter last week.  Wondering if I needed to wait any certain length of time before beginning cleanse.  Also, if needed to wait any specific length before getting pregnant again after cleanse???  Was going to shoot for 10 day ish cleanse.

i started the day after i weaned. i couldn't think of any reason to wait. not sure about how long to wait after. i just finished my 10 day fast and i feel great. good luck!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Texas Girl. March 13, 2007, 05:38:25 PM
Has anyone who has done the cleanse felt like their metabolism was slowed down as a result?  I read somewhere in a book that that would happen but I dont' remember seeing that mentioned here.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl March 13, 2007, 06:23:31 PM
BeeyoutifulGirl,
I'm getting a little nervous to end this fast. I've had gall bladder issues in the past, and I'm afraid since I've lost so much weight so quickly I will have trouble again. Tomorrow is my 14th day, and I was thinking about doing the liver gall bladder flush the next day, and then Continuing the MC for the next five or so days... Do you think that would work? I know you finished with the flush and it didn't work as well...
Thanks!

Hi Sanchezmama,
Sorry I didn't see this earlier! I guess you've probably ended your cleanse by now - how did it go? How are you now? Feeling okay? Did you do the Liver Flush as well?

I don't think I'd resume the MC immediately after a Liver Flush because the LF totally depletes your body, and lowers your blood sugars so that you feel weak and faint. At least, I do. But if you did it, and had success - let us know!

-Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 14, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
After being off of the MC for over 2 months now and dealing w/ the worst (detox) rash I've ever encountered, I realize the importance of rebuilding your good intestinal flora...quickly and powerfully.

I highly recommend some kind of acidophilus, homemade yogurt, whey, kefir, kombucha, beet kvass, cabbage juice tonic, etc...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dollhouse March 15, 2007, 05:26:45 PM
Thanks so much for the heads up!  I am on Day 3 and was just thinking about exactly what to include in my post MC diet.  THANKS!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt March 16, 2007, 05:17:56 AM
After being off of the MC for over 2 months now and dealing w/ the worst (detox) rash I've ever encountered, I realize the importance of rebuilding your good intestinal flora...quickly and powerfully.

I highly recommend some kind of acidophilus, homemade yogurt, whey, kefir, kombucha, beet kvass, cabbage juice tonic, etc...
How exactly does this cleanse wipe out intestinal flora?  Do you have a source that you can share?  I've never read anything that would suggest that fasting would disrupt your GI flora, but I suppose, I could be wrong.  (it's happened before)  ::)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama March 16, 2007, 05:29:32 AM
Um...I thought it was you that told me that, HB!   :-[ ::) ;D

I'll look...abbilynn's experience a few posts back provoked that thought, I know...
****************************
Ah ha!   ;D

(The page has more helpful info, too, on it for newbies...)

Found it:  http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1154

Anyway, here's a copy of something Peter sent in his latest Raw Food/ Master Cleanse newsletter that I thought would be helpful for everyone:

Why take probiotics after the cleanse?

"Anyone who has done the Master Cleanse with laxative tea and the salt
water flush for 10 days or more knows first hand how extremely effective
it is in cleaning out the large intestine. However, I believe there is
a downside to that effectiveness: the loss of your natural intestinal
probiotics.

Probiotics are the good bacteria in your intestines that:

+ Produce vitamin A, B1, B2, B3, B12, and K;
+ Kill some of the disease-causing germs in your intestines; and
+ Prevent bad bacteria (the bacteria that cause Candida, for example)
from getting out of control.

In addition, I have found probiotics to reduce or eliminate cravings or
binges after the cleanse.

The loss of probiotics also occurs after treatment with antibiotics,
which kill both the bad and the good bacteria in the body. In fact, it is
quite surprising how many people can trace back their intestinal
difficulties (Candida, excessive bloating, gas, etc.) to immediately after
taking antibiotics.

Therefore, I recommend people completing the Master Cleanse take
probiotics AFTER transitioning back to regular food."
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt March 16, 2007, 05:56:56 AM
Interesting.  I would think if your flora was already well established prior to the cleanse, that the maple syrup would feed the good bacteria just as it would feed candida if the bacteria were not present. 

I definately agree with ongoing supplementation of probiotics, but I still wonder if you aren't having these symptoms because you weren't free of yeast and had a well established flora before you began the cleanse.

Just thinking out loud.  Something more to chew on.

Thanks for the post.

;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Chickory Chick March 19, 2007, 01:50:34 AM

I don't think I'd resume the MC immediately after a Liver Flush because the LF totally depletes your body, and lowers your blood sugars so that you feel weak and faint. At least, I do. But if you did it, and had success - let us know!

-Rebekah

Hmmm, this may be why I wasnt able to go the whole 10 days when I did the cleanse in June.  I started out great, did the gall bladder flush for a change of pace (different flavor) and to see if I had any gall stones......Then the last couple of day, I was having problems with LBS (low blood sugar)....now I know for next time...although since I am preggers, it may be a couple of more years!  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kenliljuun March 19, 2007, 04:25:03 AM
Just weaned daughter last week.  Wondering if I needed to wait any certain length of time before beginning cleanse.  Also, if needed to wait any specific length before getting pregnant again after cleanse???  Was going to shoot for 10 day ish cleanse.

Ooops, I didn't think of this. Good question. I'm planning on starting my second Master Cleanse tomorrow. I did the first one a few weeks ago (too soon? Please don't say yes!). In about 14-15 days, I should be ovulating, in which case we hope to get pregnant. My last Master Cleanse was pretty smooth. I started veggie soup the first afternoon and felt no discomfort. I don't think I'm too toxic. Do you (anyone) think it would be ok to conceive so soon after the MC?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: abbilynn March 19, 2007, 04:56:13 AM
Just weaned daughter last week.  Wondering if I needed to wait any certain length of time before beginning cleanse.  Also, if needed to wait any specific length before getting pregnant again after cleanse???  Was going to shoot for 10 day ish cleanse.

Ooops, I didn't think of this. Good question. I'm planning on starting my second Master Cleanse tomorrow. I did the first one a few weeks ago (too soon? Please don't say yes!). In about 14-15 days, I should be ovulating, in which case we hope to get pregnant. My last Master Cleanse was pretty smooth. I started veggie soup the first afternoon and felt no discomfort. I don't think I'm too toxic. Do you (anyone) think it would be ok to conceive so soon after the MC?



I don't know about conceiving, but I think it's too soon to start another one.  When you fast for that long, your body has to adjust and sort of turn off your digestion and go into preservation mode.  Then when you start eating again it has to adjust and start back up.  Plus your metabolism has to regulate.  That takes awhile.  So to push your body back into fasting mode right after it gets adjusted to eating again doesn't seem safe or effective, IMO.  It seems like it'd really mess up your metabolism, ya know.  I thought I read you could do the MC 3-4 times a year, which would mean about once every three months.  But even that seems like a lot to me.  Just my thoughts though.  ;) ;D

abbilynn
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: my3kidsmom March 19, 2007, 09:12:59 AM
I am new to writing a post/have never done it before, but I have a comment, and a couple of questions. I tried doing the Master Cleanse, but by day 3 I started coming down with a yeast infection, and by day four it had turned into a full blown infection. I was very frustrated because here I was trying to do a cleanse to help my body and I only created problems. I tried treating it myself with garlic among other things for a week, and finally gave up and got a perscription for Diflucan from the Dr.

I talked my husband into doing a cleanse with me and we just did the Dieters Cleanse from Natures's Sunshine, but we were not at all impressed with the results. I have been looking at possible buying the Colinx Cleanse from Dr. Natura, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions as to what is really the best thing to do. I really want to do a good cleanse. My husband's brother who is only 26 was just diagnosed with Cancer and Cancer runs in my husband's family so we are trying to change our eating/health habits but we are kind of at loss at what to do, besides that fact that I am a stay at home mom so funds are limited most of the time. I have problems with bad breath and body odors and am chronically constipated so I know I have a problem somewhere and would like to figure out a way to get rid of these problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt March 19, 2007, 09:34:43 AM
clayton, 

You probably got a yeast infection because your body is full of..well..yeast.  A person who is struggling with candida (yeast) overgrowth shouldn't do the Master Cleanse as the sugar in the syrup feeds it and causes it to grow faster.  Here are some links with more info.

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: my3kidsmom March 19, 2007, 11:59:41 AM
Thank you for the reply, but what about a different cleanse? Is Dr. Natura's Product good, or should I try a  beeyoutiful cleanse product?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt March 21, 2007, 05:16:30 AM
Thank you for the reply, but what about a different cleanse? Is Dr. Natura's Product good, or should I try a  beeyoutiful cleanse product?
If you have yeast overgrowth, you should take care of this before anything else.  It can and will contribute to all other problems and left unchecked can develop into much more serious problems.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: maideninwaiting March 21, 2007, 03:58:46 PM
Forgive me if this question has already been asked. I didn't have time to look through 21 pages for it, but does one *have* to drink the oil at night with this cleanse? Or can you just skip that? I think I may have asked this before, but I haven't had a chance to check the responses.
Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dollhouse March 21, 2007, 05:39:52 PM
Have a question re: coming off the cleanse.  Am on Day 9.  My teeth are still sticky and my tongue still white.   Should I continue for longer than 10?  On Day 6 had bad headache, but felt much better after Day 7 morning flush.  Feel like this was a "detox moment" for me.  Don't want to come off too soon, but orange juice and veggie soup are calling my name  :) 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T March 22, 2007, 03:16:53 AM
Forgive me if this question has already been asked. I didn't have time to look through 21 pages for it, but does one *have* to drink the oil at night with this cleanse? Or can you just skip that? I think I may have asked this before, but I haven't had a chance to check the responses.
Thanks!

Someone else should really verify this for you but I think the oil is for the liver/gallbladder flush and not exactly a true 'part' of the MC.  You might want to scan the pages since you are just coming out of your sinus/ear issues and make sure candida is not a problem in your system that is contributing to those.  This cleanse is not recommended for those with any candida or yeast issues in their body. I haven't yet done it for that reason.  Just my understanding after all I've read so don't just take my word for it!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kenliljuun March 25, 2007, 05:13:08 PM
I don't know about conceiving, but I think it's too soon to start another one.  When you fast for that long, your body has to adjust and sort of turn off your digestion and go into preservation mode.  Then when you start eating again it has to adjust and start back up.  Plus your metabolism has to regulate.  That takes awhile.  So to push your body back into fasting mode right after it gets adjusted to eating again doesn't seem safe or effective, IMO.  It seems like it'd really mess up your metabolism, ya know.  I thought I read you could do the MC 3-4 times a year, which would mean about once every three months.  But even that seems like a lot to me.  Just my thoughts though.  ;) ;D

abbilynn

Thanks for your thoughts, abbilynn! After doing the math, I discovered that it had actually been about two months since my last MC. So I started. I got to day 3. Couldn't take it. My husband and son had been sick at the time, so I think I caught something from them. Runny nose, sore throat, etc. Made me really weak, so I decided to stop. Oooor, maybe it really was too soon after the first time. Or possibly a lot of detox since I had not been doing the water cleanse prior to starting. Don't know. Anyway, I'm happy to be eating.
I haven't thanked all you ladies yet, for your many useful ideas that I have incorporated into my life. THANKS!
(Master Cleanse, followed by consistent T-tapp has helped me to lose weight down to 9 lbs shy of my smallest point in the past, and T-tapp has helped me stay there.)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sprout March 25, 2007, 06:02:03 PM
Hello, I am brand new here...not even sure how this all works...but interested in doing a fast and this Master Cleanse sounds great. Can I ask,...do I need to buy the book to start this or are there simple guidlelines someone can offer me? Any suggestions? Thanks for any help. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Camisha Noble March 28, 2007, 04:48:48 PM
I think even the vegetarian would agree that the Master Cleanse would benefit a meat eater. In fact, I'm sure he'd say meat eater's need to do the Master Cleanse more than vegetarians!

I personally would recommend doing the Liver Flush first, to help empty his system of toxins. The Master Cleanse sends a load of toxins to the liver to deal with, so if the liver has already been maintenanced, it will be in better shape to deal with the extra toxins.

If your hubby isn't up to doing the Liver Flush, I believe the Master Cleanse would still be very beneficial.

As far as enemas go, (hehe) it is a very well known and accepted medical proceedure. I hated the idea and was scared of trying it, until I did an enema the first time. Piece of cake. No problem. Get in a hot tub of water with some relaxing essential oil, and your favorite book. Do the enema in the tub and you'll be amazed how easy and stress free the procedure is. 
I'll put a link on enemas at the bottom of this post, with all the warnings, directions, etc... follow the links in the article to read more about specific types of enemas.

I had a lot of success with the coffee enema, and passed two gallstones the size of golf balls while doing the liver flush!
I also lost over 20 pounds this last month, while doing 5 seperate liver flushes, and one Master Cleanse. I suffered no ill effects, but I was pretty healthy to begin with. I'll post my whole experience...

HERE (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,228.from1145328553/topicseen.html#msg1317)

http://curezone.com/cleanse/enema/

Rebekah



Rebekah,
I'm what y'all call a Newbie!  I plan on introducing myself in another post later.  My husband and I are getting ready to do the Master Cleanser for the second time.  Our first experience was truly wonderful, but simple.  I would love to incorporate the other cleanses and flushes you used as well.  In your above post you have a link to a post of your whole experience.  I can't seem to open it.  Is there another way to get all of your information consolidated into an easy to read format?  I appreciate any help you can give.
Camisha   
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: momoffour March 28, 2007, 07:59:51 PM
Hello, I am brand new here...not even sure how this all works...but interested in doing a fast and this Master Cleanse sounds great. Can I ask,...do I need to buy the book to start this or are there simple guidlelines someone can offer me? Any suggestions? Thanks for any help. 


Hi, I am new here too! I found on page 2 of this thread, response #34 the link that has the the Master Cleanse in downloadable format! I am getting ready to start (doing lots of reading, etc.) but might wait to start until after Easter. Good luck
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: rainygladness April 05, 2007, 10:16:49 AM
Hi, I'm new and BURSTING
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: rainygladness April 05, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
...ok, I don't know what happened there. Must have hit a wrong button on the keyboard.  I'm not bursting literally.  :P ;D  I was going to say I'm bursting with enthusiasm for starting a master cleanse. 
I've been interested in this for years but didn't know what to do exactly. 

I'm new to forums as well as this great website, so I hope that I'm not posting a question that's been answered already.
I'm gearing up to do a flush/fast/cleanse and I'm ordering yeast assasin and a whole bunch of other good stuff from beeyoutiful so that I can experience revitalized health and weight loss.  :D
Currently I feel rundown, sluggish and even have trouble focusing and remembering simple things.  Just bleh. :-\

My biggest question is -- after you do all that work and cleanse yourself from garbage, etc, do you pretty much go back to eating the same foods as before? (I'm not talking about breaking the fast.)  Do you stop eating meats, milk and bread with yeast?
Thanks and I hope that wasn't confusing.  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 08, 2007, 03:47:12 PM
Ok, I read up on it, figured that the master cleans could really help my apparent hypoglycemia, weird bloating / swollen uterus / wacko hormones / crazy bad cycles but......

I opened the online pdf version of it and the guy starts talking about all this new agey "the universal one" kind of talk you see on those Dr. Bronners soap bottles.  I get all creeped out when I read that stuff.  Is there a version without all the weirdness?  Should I just ignore it?

No expert, but I'm convinced that meats are very important, but go slow going back on them.  I was friends with a formerly vegetarian girl who ate beef at my house for dinner to be polite (she hadn't eaten any yet) and became sick.  Also, I believe that the yeast in bread is not the same thing as candida albicans, but that's just my opinion.

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 08, 2007, 04:11:05 PM
Ok, I got brave and read the rest of it.  My next question:  How exactly did everyone break their fast?  With everything I've read about hypoglycemia, fruit, especially not in the presence of protein, is not a good idea.  But I've also read of others losing their hypo. after the cleanse.  I figure on using the blackstrap molasses, but anyone else have suggestions?  I'm also a firm believer in the use of fat and meat (I love NT- but not raw meat :Peeew! ;D).  So I guess I would slowly wean myself back onto it?  I'd love to see how you all went back to eating!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 08, 2007, 04:28:47 PM
And if it would still be possible to keep up my house and take care of my kids  while I'm doing this??
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 09, 2007, 05:10:05 AM
Ok, I got brave and read the rest of it.  My next question:  How exactly did everyone break their fast?  With everything I've read about hypoglycemia, fruit, especially not in the presence of protein, is not a good idea.  But I've also read of others losing their hypo. after the cleanse.  I figure on using the blackstrap molasses, but anyone else have suggestions?  I'm also a firm believer in the use of fat and meat (I love NT- but not raw meat :Peeew! ;D).  So I guess I would slowly wean myself back onto it?  I'd love to see how you all went back to eating!!

Bump
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 09, 2007, 05:46:54 AM
After the first day or 2, I felt great, w/ abundant energy.  Household tasks were no problem.  I also homeschool 3 children.

I broke my fast w/ fresh OJ the first day...then fruit later in the morning of the second day...then veggie soup...baked potato for dinner. 

Good luck!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: dara April 09, 2007, 08:27:12 AM
(I don't have any energy when I fast, but I haven't done the official MC)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 09, 2007, 09:25:19 AM
hehe ok, fresh oj-  I have one of those little citrus juicer things that I'm going to do my lemons with tomarrow.  I've never made juice before.  Is that the kind of fresh oj your talking about?  Did you just have one glass of oj the first day?

I really appreciate the encouragement yoopermamma.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 09, 2007, 10:03:25 AM
I used my Vitamix to blend up the whole orange and added some maple syrup to taste.  I drank maybe 2-3 tall glasses throughout the 1st day, slowly.  It was pretty intense after 18 days of lemonade!   :o 
 ;D

The maple syrup and cayenne in the lemonade gave me energy, I think, whereas a fast w/o any calories would leave me wiped out.   :-\

BTW, I used V8 as my soup base...diluted it a little (added some spices), and simmered any chopped veg for a very short time.  Very easy and nutritious.   :)

Good luck!   :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 09, 2007, 02:12:21 PM
Hello - I am new. I have been reading the discussions for a couple weeks, and started the MC this morning (Monday) for the first time. I am doing great at the moment, but I must say that there were a few hard times throughout the day just feeling very hungry. I wanted to post this just hoping for some encouragement. I keep thinking tomorrow will be even harder until my body adjusts to no food. So if someone started today or even someone who has been through it wants to share some experiences/encouragement, I think that would be great!! I never expected it to be easy, but when you are in the midst of it and looking ahead at atleast 9 more days, it seems overwhelming to me!! I keep reminding myself of all the benefits that will come from this.  Thank the Lord my hubby and kids have been very supportive already. He came home and made supper so I didn't have to. :)
Thanks!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 09, 2007, 02:25:21 PM
Way to go Amos, for starting it!   ;D

In retrospect, I think the MC is the hardest thing I've done, healthwise. Well...barring labor and delivery, I think.   ;)

2 things that really helped (and very simple):  Drink the lemonade when hungry; drink more water is feeling detox symptoms.

A hot Epsom salt bath halfway through the day helped perk me up and ease some of the discomfort.  I also "treated" myself to herbal dessert teas (even though they aren't recommended--just mint is--I found them relatively harmless).  Flavors like CS Almond Sunset, English Toffee, and Vanilla Hazelnut.  YUM!

Reading the previous threads and that site's board (www.therawfoodsite.com, I think) for discussion/questions helped...and of course, posting my days here.   ::)  So many people cheered me on when I was going through it.  Knowing what days could be hard helped too (like 5 and 8)...and that the "worst" was typically the 1st 2 days.  Taking it 1 day at a time though was key.

Hang in there, and keep us posted!   :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 09, 2007, 03:09:25 PM
Yeah Amos, I'm starting tomarrow morning (no hubby or older kids to help) and I'd love to see how your doing!  Maybe we can cheer eachother on.  I better go make my lax tea in preparation ::).  I'm so glad we have yoopermama!  I love being encouraged to take a hot bath in the middle of the day.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: oogie1 April 09, 2007, 06:02:06 PM
Thank you, been trying to obtain this in Australia with no luck.  I will give it a go. Regards Sharon, Perth W Australia
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 10, 2007, 09:22:09 AM
Ok, it is 2pm on my first day of the cleanse.  My body is arguing with me.  It goes something like this:

I'm hungry.
I know, but I'm not ging to feed you.
But I'm hungry!
You've had your lemonade, your fine.  This is for your own good.
But those scrambled eggs smell so good!!
No.
Abuse! Neglect!
Be quiet or I'm going to swat you.
But..
That's it.  I'm getting my switch.  This is going to hurt me more that it hurts you.   :D

corporal punishment aside, this is pretty much how it goes.  It's actually not so bad when there isn't food around.  I often feel worse than I do now, which is why I am doing this cleanse.  I am a little bummed out I had to skip the elk stew for lunch :).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 10, 2007, 12:55:24 PM
My 2nd day on MC and I was basically having that same conversation with myself.  And thinking about food constantly -- what I am going to eat when I am done. The worst is from 11-3, just like yesterday. I do have a pretty bad headache today, so I drank a lot more water. Incredibly, I am not weak at all. I even rode the treadmill and did some situps! (That was before the headache got serious).

Hollyolly123 - It sounds like we are having a similar experience on the first day anyway, and if I can do it, you can do it.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 10, 2007, 05:09:39 PM
I'm glad you 2 are doing it at the same time--you'll get each other through!  hollyolly123, I laughed so hard at your conversation w/ your body! LOL.  Sleep well!   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 11, 2007, 12:00:53 PM
Well, this is day 3 of my MC and if the rest are like today, then I'm in for the long haul! I had such a great day. No serious "starving" moments, no headache, good mood, my energy seems better than normal. I am excited that I am over this hump atleast and looking forward to the goal.

YooperMama- Thanks for the advice and for the encouragement.

Hollyolly123-I want to tell you that Day 3 is nothing like 1 or 2, so hang in there. I hope all is going well for you.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 11, 2007, 12:10:29 PM
Good for you Amos!  :) How encouraging to hear your experience today...I was thinking of you 2 and wondering how it was going. Where's hollyolly123? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 11, 2007, 03:13:13 PM
It's the evening on day two for me and things are going well.  I'm not suffering, just have that nagging "I  want to have a snack" feeling sometimes.  I was kind of tired, and somewhat weak, but no headaches or anything.  I've been able to keep up with my work just fine, but the last two days I absoloutely needed to nap at least forty minutes while my girls were napping.  Then after I felt fine.  I haven't been suffering any hypoglycemia/ hormone imbalence problems (still don't know which it is- maybe both) since starting the cleanse.  It's amazing that just lemon juice, maple syrup, and cayanne pepper can keep you going!

I love fat, and when I was giving my kids their tablespoon of coconut oil this afternoon, I cheated and had like half a teaspoon.  Made me have a tummy ache.  I haven't had any other tummy problems besides.  My mom and a friend of mine are like "well, I hope you survive it."  But it's really not bad.  I feel like my digestive tract really needed a break.  I might go a little more than ten days, I don't know.   I'm kinda skinny, so maybe I shouldn't.  I'll see how it's going then I guess.  Oh, time for my last lemonade concoction!  I've had to drink some every hour and fifteen minutes in order to feel well.

Thanks for the encouragement Amos, I'm really glad day three is better!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 11, 2007, 04:01:26 PM
How do you all handle the fasting part and still make meals for your families?  I really want to do the cleanse but then I get to fixing supper and it looks and smells so good, I don't think I could handle still fixing everything for everyone else and not eat with them.  i suppose I could make things I don't like but for ten days that is pretty hard. 

I want to feel better though, and losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt either.

Anybody want to talk me into it?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: larissakissa April 11, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
How do you all handle the fasting part and still make meals for your families?  I really want to do the cleanse but then I get to fixing supper and it looks and smells so good, I don't think I could handle still fixing everything for everyone else and not eat with them.  i suppose I could make things I don't like but for ten days that is pretty hard. 

I want to feel better though, and losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt either.

Anybody want to talk me into it?
I want to do that too, and I have the same problem of cooking for the family and then not to eat it???  I hope somebody can give us some advise.  I've been wanting to do the clense for a looong time. :-\   Maybe we can talk each other into it. ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 12, 2007, 01:49:59 AM
littlemama24 and larissakissa,

Something that worked for me was washing dishes in the adjoining kitchen or taking my Epsom salt bath during their dinner. I rarely sat w/ them--it was just frustrating (more b/c I could assess/comment on their dinner manners more easily w/o food in front of me  :-[)  I loved having the kitchen cleaned by the time dinner was done!   ;)

And making sure I wasn't "hungry"...I did drink those dessert teas sometimes to help.

As far as incentive...I lost 19 pounds (in December) and have kept off 16 of them... ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 12, 2007, 03:48:44 AM
Ya hoo!  Good job!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Sunshine06 April 12, 2007, 04:25:46 AM
Good job to everyone doing the cleanse!! I did the cleanse back in February and I just wanted to comment on one benefit for me. I've been allergic to cats ever since I was a kid. My in-laws have a cat and I would always get sneezy and itchy within the first hour or two I was there. Well, since doing the cleanse, I've noticed that that I haven't been getting any of those symptoms. My parents have a cat now too, so I've been able to test this with different cats. Hubby and I recently spent the night at his parents' and the cat didn't bother me at all!  ;D So that's a great benefit that I didn't expect.

Keep up the good work everyone! :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 12, 2007, 05:03:49 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the book they'd be willing to sell me about the Master Cleanse?  The website asks $16.95 so oviously I would want it for less than that used.  PM me if you are interested.  Thanks!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 12, 2007, 05:34:37 AM

Hi All –

Little Mama – You can download a free copy of the booklet. Just Google “Master Cleanse pdf” and several will come up.

Well, I am into my 4th day of MC. I did wake with a headache this morning and a light-headedness (more like a heavy-headedness-if that makes sense). I had to get up a few times last night (my tea is working quickly). Anyway, I had an early bath w/Epsom salts and I am feeling better.  I am down about 5 pounds and thrilled about that.

I have been logging on to post about my day while my family has supper. My sweet husband made dinner the first 2 days (and will anytime I ask), but it doesn’t really bother me anymore to smell the food. I think you have to get past a certain point and then you will be fine.

Hollyolly – I think we must be on the same page because I am also thinking about extending my fast.

I have been reading through some of the threads and researching and I found a post on Detoxification Stages     http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,97.msg57585.html#msg57585  thanks to YooperMama back in Feb. I really want the benefits that come from atleast 20 days. Especially the mind / clarity / memory /concentration / emotional balance. I have suffered from depression terribly and that was one of my incentives for doing the cleanse (along with many others – hypoglycemia, pain in shoulder joints, fatigue) Success in the area of depression would by far would be the most life-changing for me. But I may have to go longer than 10 days to get that. It doesn’t scare me to extend it, especially after I seemed to pass the hurdle of the first few days (We’ll see what’s in store in the next week, but I am determined to handle it).

Does anyone have any comments on this (MC and Depression)?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 12, 2007, 06:50:06 AM
Well, I am prepping my liver for a week or two to try the MC, again.  I was telling the lady that works at our local health food store.  She is really knowledgeable about things and we talked about the MC for awhile.  She has done it a few times and gave me a tip.  She said someone who does like seminars for the MC? or something to that affect said to take a plant based enzyme along with the teas on the MC.  She said that it helps your body to adjust to the many toxins that are being released into the body and organs and helps to eliminate them quicker and safer.  Don't know the science behind it, yet.  She just told me about it today and I wanted to share.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 12, 2007, 08:50:28 AM
I used to get depressed, but lately it has turned into anger.  I know it is hormonal/ environmental, because it will just suddenly come upon me.  Especiall during hormone fluxes.  My hypoglycemia symptoms do too.  Since the day I started the cleanse, I haven't been emotionally wacko. I find lots of sunshine and exersize help too (like playing with the kids, hanging laundry, and taking care  of the chickens/ dogs.)

I really feel terrible right now.  So tired, "heavy - headed," and sooo hungry.  I forgot about the bath.  I've got some dead sea salts I'm going to dump in there, and maybe some lemon essential oil to perk me  up (you'd think I'd be sick of lemon by now :D).  I can't wait till this cleanse thing gets easy....

As far as the meals thing goes- I just suck it up and deal with it.  I think it's good for us to go through something difficult sometimes.  I'm not all upset about it or anything and it's doable.  I have to sit through the meal to feed my one year old.  I've lost maybe one pound, which is good because I was only 97 pounds to begin with.  I guess the MC really does just get rid of what you don't want.

I have the same issue with my tea working quickly, Amos.  Do you wake up with stomach cramps?  I wonder if I just need additional water.

I'm going to make some beet kvass to cleanse my liver with on like day 8.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 12, 2007, 12:26:15 PM
Hollyolly – I hope you are feeling better this evening. Like you, my emotional wackiness has not appeared since I started the cleanse (Praise the Lord). :)

I did have some blood sugar issues throughout the day today. I did feel hungry also, but not as bad as my first 2 days. I read back a ways, and YooperMama said that she was blending up her lemon and not straining it, but then she quit doing it because you shouldn’t have any solids going into your body on this cleanse. I was not straining mine either, so maybe that is why my blood sugar was playing tricks on me today??? 

I haven’t had cramps. Last night I woke up with just a very urgent need to go (a couple times!) My salt water flush does not seem to give me a need to go like it should. I have uped the salt a little, and still nothing. I have been drinking an extra Lax Tea in the later morning to get things moving. This has happened every day of my cleanse. Has anyone else had this problem?

By the way, what is beet kvass? How do you make / use it?  I was going to try the liver/gall bladder cleanse with the grapefruit juice/olive oil later in my cleanse when I am almost finished.

Back to my previous subject…..I think my depression is chemical. I have no reason on God’s green earth to get depressed, but when it comes on, I cannot shake it or talk myself out of it. The winter months are especially bad. I did feel better after starting the fast—so I was wondering if something I eat triggers it all??  But everyday???  I seems amazing that I have felt emotionally well since day 1 on the MC.  I will take it!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 12, 2007, 01:59:49 PM
My recipe for beet kvass is in my Nourishing Traditions cook book, IMO, it's the best cook book ever.  Not necesarily for the recipies, but for all the information regarding how the healthiest societies (pre industrialization) ate, and the science behind it all. Weston A Price, a dentist, began the research in the early 20th century I believe.  Really good stuff.  Sally Fallon, the author, with another lady, Sally is or was the keynote speaker for the Weston A Price foundation.  www.westonaprice.com is my favorite site for health/ nutrition information.   Sorry for my brain fog, I'm usually a decent writer.  Ug, I hope I feel better tomarrow.

I'll post the beet kvass recipe if you can't find it on welltellme, as soon as I get another moment.

Oh, and I think just slightly less salt, or a glass  or two of regular water before the salt water, works best for me.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 12, 2007, 02:13:47 PM
Oh yes, and the salt water should come pouring out of you if it is working- another very interesting experience.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl April 12, 2007, 02:33:07 PM
My salt water flush does not seem to give me a need to go like it should. I have uped the salt a little, and still nothing. I have been drinking an extra Lax Tea in the later morning to get things moving. This has happened every day of my cleanse. Has anyone else had this problem?


The salt water flush did not work for me either for some reason.  I did not want to be retaining all of that salt water, so after the first 3-4 days I just drank lax tea in the morning instead.  That worked MUCH better for me.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 12, 2007, 03:19:01 PM
Ok, I just read a Forevergirl post earlier in the thread that maple syrup is not reccomended for people with blood sugar issues.  Could this be why I don't feel well?  I just got really annoyed with life (ok, there has been a lot of annoying things going on this evening) but I felt the old anger creep up.  I think it happens with high blood sugar.  So if I'm swinging now, I guess I should stop the maple syrup?  Also, I haven't been chewing on the powder inside my probiotic capsules today, and that could be contributing to my yuckyness. 

My kids just broke out in this terrible rash/ scabies looking bumps and I think it's from my bathtub (drain- we have city sewer)- it's happened twice after a bath now.  I'm so frustrated!  It seems like there is always something wrong with us, and not enough money to deal with it!  Arggg!
At least lemons aren't expensive.

Ok, going to make a cup of tea for myself- with stevia.  Yuck.   >:(
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: larissakissa April 12, 2007, 04:34:30 PM


As far as incentive...I lost 19 pounds (in December) and have kept off 16 of them... ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Wow, that is so wonderfull and really encuraging!  :D  I think that I can do it! :)  I do have one question for whoever might know.  Can I do this clense if I might be pregnant?  You see, I've been trying to get pregnant for the past 6 months and still nothing, but you never know ::)  I just ovulated a few days ago and I'm wondering if it will hurt the baby if I do the clense?  ???  Just in case.  Thank you for the answers everybody!  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama April 12, 2007, 04:39:04 PM


As far as incentive...I lost 19 pounds (in December) and have kept off 16 of them... ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Wow, that is so wonderfull and really encuraging!  :D  I think that I can do it! :)  I do have one question for whoever might know.  Can I do this clense if I might be pregnant?  You see, I've been trying to get pregnant for the past 6 months and still nothing, but you never know ::)  I just ovulated a few days ago and I'm wondering if it will hurt the baby if I do the clense?  ???  Just in case.  Thank you for the answers everybody!  :)
Dh and I decided it was too risky so we waited to be sure I was not pregnant and then made sure we didn't get pregnant  ;) during or immediately after the cleanse. This MC cleanse is really great but intense.
And I kept of 16 lbs  ;D I did a 10 day cleanse.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: linemansgirl April 12, 2007, 04:39:17 PM
I wouldn't do the cleanse if I thought that I might be pregnant.  All those toxins dumping into your system at the beginning of your pregnancy would not be a good idea IMO. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 13, 2007, 01:51:16 AM
Well, this morning I decided to give the salt water one more chance and it seemed to work. I could never get it all down and so this morning I used a smaller amount of water with the correct amount of salt and drank it very strong. Then I guzzled plain water until it worked, and it did. Thanks linemansgirl and Hollyolly for your advice.

Hollyolly - Maybe you can just cut back on the maple syrup. That is what I did from the beginning. Use 1/2 or less and then I add stevia to sweeten a little more. Yesterday is the only day I had blood sugar issues and I think I just waited too long in between my lemonades. Anyway, hope this helps.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 02:40:45 AM
This morning I am feeling quite well again, and I know if I was really starving I would be worse.  It must have been the maple syrup.  I'm not using any right now, because I think even though I was on yeast assasin for almoast two weeks, I am still having yeast issues (or just continuing leaky gut- but probably yeast too).  I'm not going to use any maple syrup at all, and I'm not sure if I trust the safety of stevia.  All I know about it is that it's sweet.  I'll have to check it out.

Also, I can't use the laxative tea any more.  It was giving me progressively worse stomach  cramps and diarreah, and it says on the box to discontinue use if that happens because the senna can make it worse.  I was thinking of using catnip, since that has a mild relaxing effect on the colon?  Anyway,  I'm taking a break from the salt water thing to give my intestines a rest, although it has never hurt me.  It does seem like diarrhea, but it's really not, because it's not hurting and pulling water from my body to get stuff out- it's just like putting a hose through the colon kind of ::).

Sorry if I sounded like a crazy person yesterday-  that's because I was >:( :'(.  I've had two weeks (without dairy or grain and between hormone fluxes) plus two days (the first two of the MC) with emotional and mental clarity and peace, in the last few YEARS.  But it seems I'm getting closer to the remedy.  I feel like today might be another peaceful one.  Me and my darn leaky gut.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 13, 2007, 03:56:24 AM
This morning I am feeling quite well again, and I know if I was really starving I would be worse.  It must have been the maple syrup.  I'm not using any right now, because I think even though I was on yeast assasin for almoast two weeks, I am still having yeast issues

If you have sugar problems, I thought they suggested that you use blackstrap molasses.  May make a difference in you?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 04:05:54 AM
I guess I don't understand what the molasses/ maple syrup is for.  Is it just for sweetening?  I can handle the lemonade without it.  I won't be spending any more money on any kind of sugar product, that's for sure.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 04:45:11 AM
I guess I don't understand what the molasses/ maple syrup is for.  Is it just for sweetening?  I can handle the lemonade without it.  I won't be spending any more money on any kind of sugar product, that's for sure.
No, it's not just for taste.  It's for nutritional benefit as well.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 05:17:08 AM
Hmm, wishing I had gone with the blackstrap molasses that I almoast bought instead of the maple syrup.  I guess it was those memories of pancake breakfasts on vacation in vermont when I was a kid...yumm!!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 06:48:28 AM
I am having terrible stomah cramps.  I am so hungry I could scream.  I drank some Pau'd' Arco tea a while ago.  Don't know if this has anything to do with it.  I seem to feel great in the mornings of the MC, but as the day progresses I feel awful!

...just had to run to the bathroom, and had a bm that burnt so bad it felt like some kind of flesh eating acid.  But now I feel a little better.  Anyone know what is going on?  Should I give up and break the fast?  I'm afraid I'm doing myself more harm than good.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama April 13, 2007, 06:56:44 AM
I am having terrible stomah cramps.  I am so hungry I could scream.  I drank some Pau'd' Arco tea a while ago.  Don't know if this has anything to do with it.  I seem to feel great in the mornings of the MC, but as the day progresses I feel awful!

...just had to run to the bathroom, and had a bm that burnt so bad it felt like some kind of flesh eating acid.  But now I feel a little better.  Anyone know what is going on?  Should I give up and break the fast?  I'm afraid I'm doing myself more harm than good.
I think you should hang in there. That scalding BM and the stomach cramps before were from detox. Plan your days so that you can relax in the afternoons. (I did extra cooking  ::) and watched a few movies and took Epsom salt baths in the afternoons)  Sorry  :'(  that you are so uncomfortable.  :'( :-*  and if it helps at all...I am definitely glad that I stuck with the cleanse for the whole 10 days. It really made a difference.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 13, 2007, 07:00:41 AM
hollyolly123,

Did you do a liver cleanse or purge your liver before the MC?  I have heard from Rebekah's recommendation and others that it is imperative to cleanse your liver FIRST before the MC and after to reduce the severe detox reactions.  Just a suggestion.  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 07:19:25 AM
I didn't do a liver cleanse.  I'd been taking liver support herbs and drinking dandilion tea though.  Boysmama, thanks for the encouragement.  I was seriously considering eating some of my kid's bacon.  Glad it's from detox.  The pain isn't near my liver, it's like my intestines and sometimes stomach.  I really appreciate it ladies.  This last two days have been awful for more reasons than my not feeling good.  My hubby will be home tomarrow or the next day from training, so I really hope I can have myself and my girls terrible rashes under control, with a plan of action that isn't going to cost us an arm and a leg.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 13, 2007, 07:43:24 AM
I didn't do a liver cleanse.  I'd been taking liver support herbs and drinking dandilion tea though. 

Well, that is definitely better than nothing at all!  :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 08:53:30 AM
Update:  I'm feeling better, I'm not hungry, I think I passed some parasites (pau d arco tea), and I am freezing cold, with a hot, rashy looking face.  I have my energy back though.  I used dead sea salt water on my face, as I do not trust my bathtub (I suspect things coming out of our drain and giving our girls scabies-looking spots-yikes!!- City sewerage)

Oh, it's so nice not to feel starving.  I think I'll go watch a movie and rest while my girls nap.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama April 13, 2007, 10:33:23 AM
Please don't eat bacon in the middle of an MC. You would probably hurt worse than before  :-\  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 13, 2007, 10:50:12 AM
Update:  I'm feeling better, I'm not hungry, I think I passed some parasites (pau d arco tea), and I am freezing cold, with a hot, rashy looking face.  I have my energy back though.  I used dead sea salt water on my face, as I do not trust my bathtub (I suspect things coming out of our drain and giving our girls scabies-looking spots-yikes!!- City sewerage)

Oh, it's so nice not to feel starving.  I think I'll go watch a movie and rest while my girls nap.

You are such a trooper!   Hang in there! :)

Cayenne will help w/ feeling cold...do you have a real hot kind?  Are you taking much?

Hope to hear you're doing better soon--sounds like you're really housekeeping!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 13, 2007, 12:51:21 PM
Day 5 has been a little hard for me. I have also been freezing and I felt hungry for most of the day and not just a little irritable! >:(  My 3rd day was so good that I was hoping the hungriness was gone. Yesterday and today have been tougher. I keep hoping it was nothing I did to set me back (extra Lax Tea, wasn't straining lemonade at first). It seems like nothing is happening. Unlike Hollyolly, I have not used the bathroom that way since 8am and I do not have cramps or even rumbles. I want to feel the detox so I know it is working, instead of having symptoms of day 1 and 2!!!! ??? My weight has also not changed in 2 days. That is not my first goal, but would be nice to lose more. Do you think it is okay to have that extra Lax Tea in the afternoon to keep things moving?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 01:10:26 PM
Amos, are you also drinking water, beside the lemonade and very delicious salt water ::)?  I found I was a little dehydrated.  I'm sorry you are not feeling good.  I was actually doing well on day 1 and 2, and didn't start detox until day 3.  I think everyone is different.  We've just got to hang in there.  I wonder about those enemas Rebeckah was talking about?  I'm not personally brave enough right now.

We've been having "easy" days, I'm basically just preparing easy meals, washing the few dishes from them, and help the girls pick up toys.  Since a dog massacred most of my chickens, their food and water can last two days if I'm really not up to feeding them.

Oh yes, my cayanne is hot!!  I'm only taking about a 16th of a teaspoon, it's just so hot!  I'm slightly warmer now, I guess I should take more.  I find taking a capsule makes me hungry, since I need digestive juices to break it down.  Learning as I go I guess.  Right now I've got my kids in front of a video about farming and my 17 month old has never seen tv really.  So I'm not superhomekeeper today :-\.  Their glued as if it's the veggitales.  Lots of horses and babies (family with 11 kids).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 13, 2007, 03:29:08 PM
Yes - I am trying to drink water also. Only a few extra glasses in the day. And the SWF in the AM. I actually have done the extra flushes (enemas) on day 2 and 4 and the day before I started. I planned one for every other day like she did. I really wanted to get the most out of this experience. It is not so bad.  Maybe that is taking a little extra toll on me?? :-\
I forgot my very hot cayenne (in capsule form) with my last lemonade, so I took it a little bit ago and then had my tea. Urgh....my gut is killing me. And it is rumbling now. I think I'll hit the bed soon and pray that all is well in the morning. ::) Goodnight.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 03:33:26 PM
Don't be suprised if you've passed some odd looking stuff- not sure if mine was mucous or worms, but I sure felt better afterward.  If you have some pau d arco tea, that's a good anti fungal and anti parasitic. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 13, 2007, 03:39:06 PM
I have never heard of that tea. I will look for it at the store. Thanks Hollyolly for your support.

P.S. I have had mucous in the am the last couple days which I've read is normal. Can look quite stringy. Gross!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 03:43:00 PM
so glad it's probably just mucous!!  I read a few minutes ago about the mucous lining the intestine becoming hard and full of putrified matter and toxic organisms from environmental/ food/ water toxins.  Goodbye bad mucous!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 13, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
You 2 are so good for each other!  ;) I had lots of support during it, but no one going through it with me like you 2 are--what a blessing you are to each other!   ;D

Have you read the posts on why cayenne in capsules isn't so great an idea?   ??? I'd recommend reading them--sometimes a bomb of cayenne on your tummy isn't so great a thing... :-[

Keep it up ladies!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 08:32:04 AM
Day 5 has been a little hard for me. I have also been freezing and I felt hungry for most of the day and not just a little irritable! >:(  My weight has also not changed in 2 days. That is not my first goal, but would be nice to lose more. Do you think it is okay to have that extra Lax Tea in the afternoon to keep things moving?
I recall Day 5 really being a stinker, too.  >:( My weight loss went in spurts...plateaued forever, it seemed, and then dropped.  Repeat.   :-\

Maybe you don't have much to cleanse?  ??? If the lax tea and SWF aren't getting stuff out yet, give it another day...some people have a delay for various reasons.  I think it said you could have 2 cups a day, but that would make me feel yucky...the cramping...is it Smooth Move?  If so, chocolate or regular?  ;D

How's today going for you? hollyolly123?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 08:36:15 AM
Don't be suprised if you've passed some odd looking stuff- not sure if mine was mucous or worms, but I sure felt better afterward.  If you have some pau d arco tea, that's a good anti fungal and anti parasitic. 

That mucous stuff WAS gross.  Aren't you glad to have it out?  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: happy2Bhome April 14, 2007, 08:46:46 AM
Have you read the posts on why cayenne in capsules isn't so great an idea?   ??? I'd recommend reading them--sometimes a bomb of cayenne on your tummy isn't so great a thing... :-[

I have been following all of your posts about the master cleanse since my husband and I want to try it...after we see how you all make it through.  :D  I did a search for cayenne to see why not to take the cayenne capsules.  I couldn't find anything.  Can you tell me where to find the information or tell me why the capsules are not a good idea, please?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 10:59:32 AM
Sure...I'll go looking for it.... ;D
*********************************************
Here it is (modified)...from Making Tinctures: Recipes, Tricks, Tips thread:

Cayenne Wonders....
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2006, 08:11:45 AM » by jammy
According to Sam Biser, "Curing with Cayenne", Featuring Dr. Richard Schulze, Medical Herbalist, pg.9-36, 1997:

""Students always ask Dr. Schulze, 'What are the ten most important herbs to have in the home?' He tells them, 'At the top of the list is cayenne pepper, because it will make the other nine work better.'"

"If you take cayenne pepper in capsules, you may be wasting your time and never getting the cures I got with my patients."

"BISER: How can you say cayenne capsules are bad? I've heard from readers who took cayenne in capsules and got great results!"

"SCHULZE: Well, fine. But I had thousands of patients who did the same and who did not get well - until they took my cayenne orally. I had many patients come in, and I loved to test them."

"BISER: What does 'test' mean?"

"SCHULZE: I used to do 'herbal experiments' with their approval. I had hundreds of patients who would say, 'Oh, I've been using cayenne pepper for years. I take this; I take that. I've been using it every day for 14 years.'"

"So I would sit them down and would either give them some cayenne tincture or some cayenne powder directly in the mouth."

"They would tell me that it was like they had never used cayenne pepper before. They would say, 'I heard my ears pop; I felt a rush of blood to my head. I can feel tingling in my feet and toes.' They would give me responses that they never had from taking cayenne pepper for 10, 12, 14, 15 years."

"One thing really became evident to me in the clinic: There is only one way to take cayenne, and that is right in the mouth."

"What was going on is that much of cayenne's healing action occurs right in your mouth. As cayenne touches your tongue, the cayenne absorbs in seconds and nerve endings send signals throughout the body - sending waves of fresh blood to wherever you are sick. New healing begins in seconds. These surges of fresh blood do not occur when you bypass the mouth by taking capsules."

"For people not used to it, they just need to work their way up. One problem people have is that they blow their mind or their mouth - right off the bat. For some who have never used cayenne pepper, a good initial dosage is 1/16th of a teaspoonful in some juice."

"Most of my patients were sensitive at first. Those same people, in three or four months, would be taking two dropperfuls of my most potent tonic. Some people end up taking six or more dropperfuls a day of cayenne tincture. You build up an ability to use it, just like with anything else. It's not like you need to start off with a whole teaspoon in the mouth - and then hold on to the arms of you chair."

"BISER: If all this is so, then why do herb companies promote cayenne in capsules?"

"SCHULZE: They want to sell more. It's for their benefit - not yours. The companies say, 'How do we get a broader market? Let's make our herbal customers real comfortable.' But then the capsules don't work and the patient has to go and get their leg sawed off."

"If you want to take herbs, and not notice anything going on with your body, and not be made uncomfortable in any way, and not have any cleansing occur - then take drugs."

"It's a shame, because a hundred years ago, cayenne was considered to be one of the most powerful herbs on the planet. Nowadays, it has become more of a fad, and people are not getting the healing response that they are due by taking this herb."

"BISER: But all herbalism today is based on herbal capsules!"

"SCHULZE: This wasn't the way the old-time herbalists practiced. It wasn't the way my teacher, the late Dr. John Christopher, practiced. He got his results with teas and tinctures."

"When you put cayenne in your mouth, your stomach secretes digestive juices before the cayenne ever gets there. So when the cayenne gets down there, your stomach is all ready for it."

"But if you swallow a capsule, your tongue tastes nothing; a capsule goes down in your stomach, and your stomach notices nothing - at first. Then, five minutes later the gelatin bursts, and you have a 1/2 teaspoon of cayenne pepper in your stomach and your body goes into shock. You surprised it. 'Where did this come from?
'"

"BISER: So using a lower potency cayenne in capsules in not an answer for people who want to go the mild route?"

"SCHULZE: Why bother? The cayenne in capsules is low quality, in spite of fancy labels and 'high potency' claims. Most cayenne sold comes from third-world countries and is highly sprayed with pesticides. It doesn't work. Patients who used it stayed sick - until I blew their health problems open with the 'right stuff.'"

"The lower-heat cayennes are a lot less efficient, and they are the ones that are most highly contaminated. These are the ones you see labeled for 40,000 heat units. They are the ones imported from God knows where: Egypt, China, and so on. These are the ones to stay away from."

"The companies pay around $2 per pound for this kind of cayenne. Compare that to the up-to-$48 per pound I have paid for the great, organically-grown stuff."

"There is more to cayenne than just heat. There are flavonoids in cayenne that will heal heart cells and protect your heart. There are vitamins in cayenne pepper that will destroy bacteria and increase your immune system. The lower quality the cayenne, the less healing occurs."

"A lot of the cayenne I've seen has a smoky smell and a dark color to it. It's been heated very high during the powdering process, so a lot of the other nutrients that were in there, enzymes and so on, are gone."

 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 14, 2007, 11:11:05 AM
Day 6!!!!!   Today was not too bad except some low blood sugar a few different times. It makes me feel very hungry. Not so irritable today! :) I am going to get some molasses and try that. Any downsides to switching???

Thanks for the encouragement YooperMama!! I cannot imagine not having much to cleanse. I felt like I have many symptoms the cleanse could help. And I was (am) a terrible, terrible eater!   I just do not want to be stuck in "stage 1"  where my system is not going into "hybernation" and my body not moving on to stage 2 for some reason. In other words, cleansing for nothing! Could that happen??

I do have the yucky tongue (which says I am still detoxing) and my shoulders are achy. I had a headache on Day 2, And  of course the passing of mucous every AM :-[. But there are a lot of symptoms described that I do not have. My face did not even break out. I had maybe two pimples on my forhead on day 2 that cleared up already, but that is it. My skin doesn't seem oily, although I have still been scrubbing it good. ????????????

It sounds funny complaining of too few detox symptoms.  :-\  If it weren't for my blood sugar, I would feel great these last couple days. It makes me feel hungry and irritable.

I have the regular "Smooth Move". I think I may take another cup in the afternoons when nothing happens since it did not seem to give me cramps when I did it before. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the listening ear! It is much appreciated!!  ;) Praying for you hollyolly123! :)

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 11:21:15 AM
Amos,
I think Days 8-10 are real "movers"   :o  How much lemon are you using?  That's supposed to stimulate the toxin relase...Was your colon very regular to begin w/?  I stopped passing solids w/i the first day or 2 and just did mucous/slime.   ::) :-[ :P

I seriously doubt you'll get stuck in a stage of hibernation w/o cleansing...you have signs of detox (tongue, achiness)!  Be careful what you wish for!   :o

My skin had the odd pimple or 2 but really wasn't an issue for me until later in the cleanse.  I guess everyone's bodies have their own preferred ways to eliminate toxins...skin, lungs, BM, urine, etc...

I don't think there are downsides to switching to molasses.  That wasn't as critical component, I think, as the strained lemonade...

Thanks for checking in! :) Now where's hollyolly? ???
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 14, 2007, 11:36:50 AM
Wow! That cayenne article was very interesting!!  He's right about the color. I have grown my own cayenne pepper for about 4 years (I love hot pepper on pizza, etc., I just did not like it in the lemonade, so I bought the capsules) and it is more a bright red than that dark burnt color. So he basically shot down what I bought in capsules. My stomach does get suddenly very hot!! I may just open them and try it with a little lemonade even though mine are probably the  "low quality" 40,000 heat units. ???

Thanks for the response YooperMama! I have the recommended "Organic" Lemons and using 2 tbsp per glass. Is there any other recommendations?
No, I have never been regular. I also stopped passing solids after day 1 or 2. So maybe all is well and I am not stuck. Thanks! I need that!! 8)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 11:49:33 AM
No problem, Amos!  I promised I'd encourage others, if I could, on the MC after I received so much blessing from others while I was on it.  Nice to meet you this way!   :D

Some like the cayenne in the last shot of lemonade...I did that. 

2 T/glass? Hmm...I used 1-2 lemons a day...hard to judge comparatively.  I blended it up w/ 1 1/2-2 cups (or more) of water, strained, and drank it throughout the day (less time prepping).  I wonder if you could use more?

Have you had your bath today?   ;) :D

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 14, 2007, 12:12:08 PM
YooperMama - I use about 4 lemons per day (1 lemon does 2-8oz glasses).  I can get about 2 tbsp out of each half which is what was recommended. Do you think I should do more?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: happy2Bhome April 14, 2007, 12:35:39 PM
YooperMama - Thank you for the cayenne information!  That's exactly what I needed to know before going out and purchasing "supplies."  Does anyone recommend good, quality cayenne (company or name brand) for a decent price?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 12:45:14 PM
Amos!  :o
You rock on the lemons! No, I think you're fine. :D  WOW!   :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 12:47:01 PM
YooperMama - Thank you for the cayenne information!  That's exactly what I needed to know before going out and purchasing "supplies."  Does anyone recommend good, quality cayenne (company or name brand) for a decent price?

Do you have a bulk section of your local co-op?  I got high grade stuff for less than a dollar or 2.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 14, 2007, 01:06:48 PM
Where's hollyolly? On the floor in a near hypoglycemic coma...   :-[
I feel better now ;D

This morning was the worst.  It was the maple syrup.  I was using 6 lemons a day with cayanne pepper in all of it.  Last evening I used a tsp. of maple syrup because I was feeling sooo hungry.  When putting my kids to bed I was unfeeling and very irritated.  Sure sign that my blood sugar was too high. 

This morning i woke up hungry, and that hadn't happened yet.  Bood sugar had hit rock bottom.  I ended up feeding my children feeling like I was in a near coma, I could hardly lift my arms.  This episode ended in my lying on the hallway floor, halfway through an unsuccessfull trip crawling to my kids bedroom to get my two year old some pants because she was cold.  I rested there for a bit, then got myself to the kitchen to have a lemonade drink with just a tiny bit of maple syrup.  Perked up enough to function (basely) I went to the grocery store :o.  I made it.  I had no choice.

So the rest of the day I have had no Maple sugar at all and I feel super!  Well, still somewhat weak from not eating, but I have even used less lemonade and as long as I rest I do alright. 

Moral of the story:  If you are hypoglycemic, or suspect blood sugar problems, DO NOT USE MAPLE SYRUP!  I haven't tried the blackstrap molasses, but I am afraid to, because I'm sure I have leaky gut, and the undigested sugar is going straight into my blood stream that way.  I feel better with just the lemons, and I'd rather not make myself diabetic by trying another form of sugar. 

Next step after the cleanse:  HEAL MY LEAKY GUT!!!!  See my post under "I think I have leaky gut, now what?"  If your interested in part of my game plan.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 16, 2007, 03:18:12 AM
Good Morning!
What a Sunday I had. I was up until 4am Sat night/Sun morn because of a coffee cleanse I did on Sat evening. The caffeine really affected me  (I read somewhere that it doesn't do that and somewhere else that it could---And it did!) Finally at 3:30, my lax tea worked and flushed some of it out of me. So I got 3 hour of sleep! >:(  Needless to say, I felt terrible. I tried the BS Molasses also. It was almost unbearable to drink. Then after church, we had plans to go to someone's house for lunch. I did not think it would be hard, being my 7th day, but it was not easy watching others eat. That food smelled sooooooo good! Anyway, later I had a nap and felt a little better. Last night I slept good.

So on to Day 8! This morning I feel pretty good. I am not sure how much longer than 10 days I will go. After the 10, I will just go a day at a time and see how things go. I definately miss eating food. I am craving BAD things which is probably part of the detox. I just thought I would be past that by now. Oh well. Hope everyone had a great weekend!! ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Mrs.Visser April 16, 2007, 08:40:37 AM
Hey Rebekah,
      I was just curious about how many times you've done the Master Cleanse? My Mother-in-Law got the book a few months ago, and I've glanced through it. I do drink it quite often, but not as a full out cleanse. I just like how it tastes, and it's good for you. I've never done a cleanse before, and I"ve read in several places that you should do a cleanse twice a year - normally spring and fall. I've also read that you should do a cleanse if you're planning on becoming pregnant anytime soon. So I was curious how it went for you the first time you did it, and if you had any advice for me?

Thanks, Meagan
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl April 16, 2007, 10:59:37 AM
Hey Rebekah,
      I was just curious about how many times you've done the Master Cleanse? My Mother-in-Law got the book a few months ago, and I've glanced through it. I do drink it quite often, but not as a full out cleanse. I just like how it tastes, and it's good for you. I've never done a cleanse before, and I"ve read in several places that you should do a cleanse twice a year - normally spring and fall. I've also read that you should do a cleanse if you're planning on becoming pregnant anytime soon. So I was curious how it went for you the first time you did it, and if you had any advice for me?

Thanks, Meagan

I've only done it once. Been pregnant or nursing since. It was easy and even enjoyable for me. But my husband hated it, and won't do it again. He'd rather just fast for a long time with nothing but water than have to drink lemonaide again. I liked the lemonaide!

I think my MC experience is on this thread near the beginning...

Rebekah
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 17, 2007, 02:25:50 AM
I'm wondering how Hollyolly is doing?
Yesterday went pretty well and I am excited that tomorrow is day 10!! Just knowing I can stop if I want to is kind of a relief. It also gives me a little incentive to keep going a day at a time and see how it goes. :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 17, 2007, 03:49:13 AM
I'm wondering how Hollyolly is doing?
Yesterday went pretty well and I am excited that tomorrow is day 10!! Just knowing I can stop if I want to is kind of a relief. It also gives me a little incentive to keep going a day at a time and see how it goes. :)

Way to go, Amos!  ;D

I agree about the molasses being awful  :P.

Being so close to the end DOES motivate you to consider taking another day at a time past 10 days..that's how I got to 18 days during the holidays.  :D  Glad you made it through that awful Sat/Sun!

I think I saw hollyolly post somewhere else, so she's alive!  :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 18, 2007, 03:20:37 AM
This morning (Day 10) I woke up feeling like I had been beat up!  ???
After mt SWF I feel better. Thanks for the encouragement Yoopermama!
Still no Hollyolly??
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 18, 2007, 07:22:15 AM
Maybe I have a lead on why I've suffered w/ a rash so long after the MC...maybe I developed a citric acid allergy?   ???  Here's the thread and a small excerpt from someone who had something similar:

http://www.therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=779&highlight=rash

Someone suggested to me that it was a symptom of detox. WRONG!!!
Ok. I stayed on the cleanse for 16 days and I wanted to go longer but I quit because the bumps became worse and worse and they drove me nuts (itching, hives, etc.) Soooo, I finally went to the doctor today and basically I caused myself an allergic reaction from intaking so much citric acid. I've never been allergic to that before, but because I was taking in so much (80 oz), my skin's only method of getting rid of so much acid was through all those freakin' bumps. It's funny to think that I may have made myself allergic to citric acid from now on (only time will tell). I really love tomatoes and oranges, but right now I have to stop all citric intake. My last day on the cleanse was this past Monday, but all that orange juice made my hives / rash even worse. I mean the bumps are everywhere!!!!!

You can either
1) stop the cleanse altogether,
2) decrease your intake to just 6 glasses a day and suffer through it like I did. It's Thursday and I still have a million itchy bumps and can't wear my arms, back, or legs out, and I'm scratching allllll day. My doctor gave me a histamine to stop the itching, but the bumps have to go away on their own.
Calamine lotion and hydrocortisone cream did not help at all. Drinking extra water did not help. You and I are just really sensitive to this stuff and unfortunately, this lemonade cleanse is not the best decision for everyone.

Go Amos!  You did it!  ;D Is it achiness you feel?  Epsom salt baths help w/ that.  Or a massage?  ;D How long you think you'll go?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 18, 2007, 10:58:07 AM
I am going to take 1 day at a time. My mom started on Sunday, so I may just try to ride out her 10 days with her. I am not committing myself to anything--just 1 day at a time. ;D   That was all over achiness this morning and the bath did help. I plan on making the Hubby rub my shoulders tonight! ;)

I do not have any kind of a rash, but my eyes (lower lids) are red and extremely itchy. I am very familiar with this symptom (usually from allergies to grass, pollen, although it seems to happen year round! ???) and it is something I was hoping to rid myself of with the cleanse. My eyes have been fine until today. I hope it is not my body's reaction to the citric acid. I'll have to see if it continues.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 18, 2007, 03:22:59 PM
Okay, one more question before I start.  Hopefully, either tomorrow or Friday.  Depending on when dear grandma will pass.  Are we allowed to sweeten our lax tea or peppermint tea with more maple syrup?  I don't want to over do it, but hate to think of drinking tea plain!  Blech!  :P
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 18, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
Hi, HinO--
I did it! (Add more maple syrup to anything, that is).   ::) ;D
I'll be tracking your progress-here's to your health!   :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 19, 2007, 02:45:40 AM
healthyinOhio--I don't know how you feel about Stevia, but that is what I used to sweeten my tea.

Day 11 - Super tired this morning, but as soon as I am up and around I feel great!! Grocery shopping was pretty hard yesterday. I still feel a little hungry after all this time. I've said it before--I'm sure it is my blood sugar. Tomorrow morning I get to cook breakfast for 7 people!! Yeah! :-\ I hope it is good since I won't be tasting it to check!  :D

Good Luck healthyinOhio! (I am in Ohio, too!! ;D  )
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 19, 2007, 02:55:31 AM
healthyinOhio--I don't know how you feel about Stevia,



 :P BLECH! That's how I feel about it!  :D



Good Luck healthyinOhio! (I am in Ohio, too!! ;D  )

 Thank you!  DAY 1 for me, today!!
YES!  I remember, in the southern part!  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 19, 2007, 08:11:52 AM
Two more questions:

1.)  When you break your fast with orange juice, do you buy bottled in the store or do you squeeze your own.

2.)  Has anyone's teeth felt, um....sticky?  I have been brushing my teeth all day long.  They feel weird.  Is that the excess acid in the lemons?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 19, 2007, 08:26:07 AM
Two more questions:

1.)  When you break your fast with orange juice, do you buy bottled in the store or do you squeeze your own.

2.)  Has anyone's teeth felt, um....sticky?  I have been brushing my teeth all day long.  They feel weird.  Is that the excess acid in the lemons?

1) I used freshly squeezed, and 2) I used a straw sometimes to combat the breakdown on enamel that lemons can do.  I don't recall a stickiness.  Anyone else?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 19, 2007, 11:46:06 AM
My teeth were never sticky, but they do feel squeaky clean. I have been using a straw also to avoid to the lemon on my teeth.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 19, 2007, 03:49:09 PM
My teeth were never sticky, but they do feel squeaky clean. I have been using a straw also to avoid to the lemon on my teeth.

Maybe my teeth are sticky because of the lemon.  I haven't used a straw because I drink mine very warm.  How can you guys drink your hot liquid with straws?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 19, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
My teeth were never sticky, but they do feel squeaky clean. I have been using a straw also to avoid to the lemon on my teeth.

Maybe my teeth are sticky because of the lemon.  I haven't used a straw because I drink mine very warm.  How can you guys drink your hot liquid with straws?
why would you drink lemonade hot?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: herbalmom April 19, 2007, 05:14:04 PM
My teeth were never sticky, but they do feel squeaky clean. I have been using a straw also to avoid to the lemon on my teeth.

Maybe my teeth are sticky because of the lemon.  I haven't used a straw because I drink mine very warm.  How can you guys drink your hot liquid with straws?
why would you drink lemonade hot?

Lots of people like hot lemonade hot. I have seen several recipes for it. Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 20, 2007, 03:16:12 AM
why would you drink lemonade hot?

That is because you are thinking of an enjoyable glass of countytime lemonade.....THIS TASTES NOTHING LIKE IT!!!!!  :P  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 20, 2007, 03:17:09 AM
Could someone please reiterate the basic formula for this cleanse.  It gets a tad confusing to go back and piece it together.  I tried some of the links before but can't remember the formula.  I tried to find the book at the library but they did not have it and my computer is really slow dial up so it won't let me download (or upload) or whatever, the pdf file.  So far I think it is the following:

Prep your body with a liver flush and anti-parasitic remedy.

Begin the cleanse on the day of your choice by drinking fresh squeezed lemons (number?) with water and cayenne pepper (how to do that?  how much?  I tried it in the whole batch of lemonade and Oh the burning!)and maple syrup to sweeten, grade B is best (how much or is it to taste?).  

So far it seems like the cleanser should drink this alone for ten days (frequency?) and also drink lots of water all day.  Before bed, drinking a laxative tea.

Epsom salt baths are for aches and other detox symptoms?  ANd drinking other juices and V8 and things is optional?  

Do I have this right?  If I'm going to do it I want to do it accurately, Before when I tried it "wrong" it was so bad that I almost gave up, but I really want to feel better.  I am doing the water cure now, just to get more fluids in and try to lose some pounds and such.  I did a liver/gallbladder(less)  ;) flush with some success and actually enjoyed it.  But I don't feel it is enough.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 20, 2007, 03:22:10 AM
MASTER CLEANSE RECIPE

2 TBSP Lemon or Lime juice(freshly squeezed)
2 TBSP Maple Syrup(Grade B)
1/10 tsp cayenne pepper(or more to taste)
8-10oz. medium-hot water

DRINK 6-10 10 OZ. GLASSES A DAY.

Use a lax tea(smooth move) morning and evening to push toxins out.  May also drink peppermint tea during the day.  If you cannot drink the lax tea, then drink 2 tsp. sea salt in 2 QTS water first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Epsom salt baths are not mandatory, but aid in relaxation. 

ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO KNOW?  ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt April 21, 2007, 04:12:15 AM
why would you drink lemonade hot?

That is because you are thinking of an enjoyable glass of countytime lemonade.....THIS TASTES NOTHING LIKE IT!!!!!  :P  ;D
Lemonade in general is pretty nasty.   :P
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: happy2Bhome April 21, 2007, 05:51:08 AM
MASTER CLEANSE RECIPE

2 TBSP Lemon or Lime juice(freshly squeezed)
2 TBSP Maple Syrup(Grade B)
1/10 tsp cayenne pepper(or more to taste)
8-10oz. medium-hot water

DRINK 6-10 10 OZ. GLASSES A DAY.

Use a lax tea(smooth move) morning and evening to push toxins out.  May also drink peppermint tea during the day.  If you cannot drink the lax tea, then drink 2 tsp. sea salt in 2 QTS water first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Epsom salt baths are not mandatory, but aid in relaxation. 

ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO KNOW?  ;)

Is it OK to drink more than 6-10 glasses a day of the lemonade?  Also, I have never successfully fasted before because I have gotten terrible headaches or become very grouchy with my children & stopped the fast (thinking I was physically unable - not realizing it might be detox).   :-[

Well, I decided yesterday to just try one day.  It went very well, except that this morning when I awoke I was extremely shaky and felt awful.   :P :P   I couldn't even take care of my family.  I had read to never "break a fast" with anything solid so I drank some kefir (with stevia)...hoping it'd help in case this was a blood sugar issue.  I was horrible for several hours, but I feel much better now (my sweet husband made me warm lemon water & I took an epsom bath).  In your opinions, was that detox or blood sugar problems?  At some point I want to attempt the Master Cleanse...but if I cannot even make 24 hours...oh my! :o
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 21, 2007, 08:12:23 AM
That's kindof what I'm worried about too, I get shaky real easy.  More so if I have had sugar in my diet and then go without.  I know that eating protein with carbs helps but I'm nervous about fasting.  If I have the stomach flu or something then it's okay.   :P But who wants to hope for that.  The short "fast" with the liver flush was fine though, but all that yummy grapefruit juice had sugars in it, right?  I've been pretty good on the Water Cure because of my worries of the Master Cleanse.  I do feel like I need a better cleanse though, I just don't want to be incapacitated.  If I need to rely too much on my dh or I get grouchy then he'll get grouchy, then the kids will get grouchy and that just doesn't seem worth it.  Then again, I need the health that it could bring so...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 21, 2007, 08:51:47 AM
The raw food site (therawfoodsite.com) has been so informative for me and it is accurate with the Master Cleanse booklet. You can kinda dig through the site and find so much good info for newbies. Let me know if you cannot find it and I will post the site. The number of lemonades you can have is actually 6-12 / 8oz (pg 12 in booklet). It actually says 8 oz water and put in a 10oz jar. I can see how that is confusing. And the Salt water flush is only with 1 quart of water (pg 13 in booklet). Wow! drinking the 2 qts would be hard for me!!! Plus, you need that water to salt ratio.  I have read small inaccuracies on other sites, so I always refer back to the MC Booklet or the therawfoodsite.com. I think that site actually has a page correcting small inaccuracies about the MC.

*Also, It is not recommended that anything else, like V8, to be used during the fast. It may keep your system going instead of accepting the fast.

I enjoy my lemonade cold. Hot does not taste good to me. And it is really very good lemonade. I usually have mine on the tart side with only 1/2 of the maple syrup (plus stevia if I want it sweeter). It tastes like really good lemonade.

My blood sugar did give me issues throught the fast, but nothing severe, so I just put up with it. You can also add a little more syrup (or less) if you think that would help with your blood sugar.


Today is day 13 for me!  Yesterday I felt very hungry again, but I stuck it out. It did not seem like my blood sugar, so maybe I am finally moving past that.

I was very tempted to end yesterday, but because of timing-having to go out of town on Monday for part of the day--I talked myself into making Monday my last day (it will be day 15) and I am glad I did. I feel great today!  I did not want to lug actual food (or soup), plus, I am not sure how I will feel, so I thought the safe thing to do was wait until Monday.

Hope my info helped someone!! God Bless!





: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama April 21, 2007, 09:00:16 AM
That's kindof what I'm worried about too, I get shaky real easy.  More so if I have had sugar in my diet and then go without.  I know that eating protein with carbs helps but I'm nervous about fasting.  If I have the stomach flu or something then it's okay.   :P But who wants to hope for that.  The short "fast" with the liver flush was fine though, but all that yummy grapefruit juice had sugars in it, right?  I've been pretty good on the Water Cure because of my worries of the Master Cleanse.  I do feel like I need a better cleanse though, I just don't want to be incapacitated.  If I need to rely too much on my dh or I get grouchy then he'll get grouchy, then the kids will get grouchy and that just doesn't seem worth it.  Then again, I need the health that it could bring so...
Maybe part of the reason you felt ok on the liver flush was because  your bowels were moving. I think that starting the MC w/ a salt water flush and a light diet the day before and a salt water flush each morning( at least until your bowel is completely empty) is essential. IMO the laxative teas are extra. I did one pint of the salt water cleanse - you can read my posts for the reasons! ;)
The best prep I did for the MC was a thorough yeast overgrowth cleanse, no sugars, Yeast Assassin, garlic, probiotics, etc. There are quite a few warnings about NOT doing the MC if you have yeast overgrowth symptoms. And I used to be just like you and I think candida had something to do with the way I felt.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 21, 2007, 11:04:13 AM
The raw food site (therawfoodsite.com) has been so informative for me and it is accurate with the Master Cleanse booklet. You can kinda dig through the site and find so much good info for newbies. Let me know if you cannot find it and I will post the site. The number of lemonades you can have is actually 6-12 / 8oz (pg 12 in booklet). It actually says 8 oz water and put in a 10oz jar. I can see how that is confusing. And the Salt water flush is only with 1 quart of water (pg 13 in booklet). Wow! drinking the 2 qts would be hard for me!!! Plus, you need that water to salt ratio. 







My info. that I stated(probably should have mentioned before) does NOT come from the Newer book:
http://www.amazon.com/Lose-Weight-Energy-Happier-Second/dp/0975572229/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-6078473-9286449?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177189360&sr=8-3

It is from the original inventer, Stanley Burroughs, here:
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Cleanser-Stanley-Burroughs/dp/0963926209/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-6078473-9286449?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177189360&sr=8-2

I guess there are some minor discrepencies between the two. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 21, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
My copy is by Stanley Burroughs downloaded free at thelemonadediet.com

I have not read Peter's book. There must be two different versions???

I'm sure either would work about the same. Good Luck with that water! ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 21, 2007, 02:54:15 PM
My copy is by Stanley Burroughs downloaded free at thelemonadediet.com

I have not read Peter's book. There must be two different versions???

I'm sure either would work about the same. Good Luck with that water! ;)

That is weird?!  :D  No, thanks on the salt water.  I would rather gag on the lax tea that makes me poop my pants!  Seriously!!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 22, 2007, 03:17:57 AM
Here is my journal and thoughts about my current experience with the Master Cleanse.  Because of unforeseen circumstances(death in family and loss of work for hubby) I had to cut my cleanse to three days.  I didn't want to, but my husband needed me to kind of "be there" for the family and such and I couldn't function properly as a wife and mother in this situation.  But I kept a journal of my three days and hope to do it, again.

Master Cleanse Journal

I lost eight pounds the week prior to my cleanse(raw fruits and veggies) and after day one of the MC, I gained 2 more. ??

Day 1:  My first day was difficult, but not painful.  I was very hungry and distracted by it.  My stomach growled and writhed within for food, and the lemonade drinks did not seem to quench it at all. Perhaps, it was the stress of watching Grandma pass that led me to want to “comfort eat”.  I had no idea I even did that!  I had a slight headache and took a small afternoon nap. 

Day 2:  Much better today in terms of hunger.  Don't seem so engulfed by the desire to eat.  I had more energy this morning and decided to pull the kids in a wagon five-six blocks to the library.  On my way home, I couldn't remember why I decided to do such a stupid thing! Ha Ha!! My smooth move lax tea has kicked in and what I thought was a “toot” was a runny mess in my pants.  GROSS!(Sorry, HB)

Day 3:  Same as day 2 as far as hunger.  A little more energy than previously.  The only different effect that I have noticed is an increase in brain fog and memory loss.  Wondering if this is a detox sign, or a lack of protein and fats impairing these things. No new weight loss, either. Bummer!


I had an awful experience the last time I tried the MC., and I think I know the reasons.  I did not prep my liver as well the first time, and I also did a juice fast for a couple days and swung right into the MC.  The sugar change must have put my body out of whack.

Also, while on the MC I did not feel such awful detox as some have described.  To me, the MC made me feel and detox no better or worse than a normal juice fast.  I was kind of disappointed to say the least.  Either my body did not have as many toxins as others(doubt it) or the MC really does not expell any more than any other kind of cleanse/fast.  But that is just my opinions based on my experience. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamaof7 April 22, 2007, 06:43:34 PM
I just completed my first day of the MC.  Any accountability partners out there wanting to go through this at the same time?
Question:  I am not much of a water drinker, but love the lemonade.  Can I just make 3 quarts of lemonade and drink that instead of a lot of water (6 lemons juiced or more)?
I'm going to try putting the salt on my tongue and chasing it down with water tomorrow.  If that doesn't work, I'll try the lax tea in the morning.  The salt water is horrid... but am proud to have made it through the first day.
Cathy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 23, 2007, 03:32:16 AM
I just completed my first day of the MC.  Any accountability partners out there wanting to go through this at the same time?
Question:  I am not much of a water drinker, but love the lemonade.  Can I just make 3 quarts of lemonade and drink that instead of a lot of water (6 lemons juiced or more)?
I'm going to try putting the salt on my tongue and chasing it down with water tomorrow.  If that doesn't work, I'll try the lax tea in the morning.  The salt water is horrid... but am proud to have made it through the first day.
Cathy

For all you who say you LOVE the lemonade, are you putting the cayenne in the whole batch or what?  I tried cayenne powder in the whole batch and I thought I would die from the burning and I only used a small amount in a whole gallon of the lemonade.  Then I tried using a cayenne tincture and that was just as bad.  I even normally like spicy food, but how can you all LIKE this?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: amazonmama2five April 23, 2007, 04:46:42 AM
I am starting today.  I would like to go for 12 days.  We could be accountability partners, mamaof7.  I would appreciate having someone to compare notes with and cry to!  I will be strong for you and you for me and we will get this done.
If I may ask, what is your exact plan?  How long are you going to go?  How do you drink your potion?
Thanks,
Lisa
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 23, 2007, 05:45:07 AM
IQuestion:  I am not much of a water drinker, but love the lemonade.  Can I just make 3 quarts of lemonade and drink that instead of a lot of water (6 lemons juiced or more)?
Cathy
That's a good question...I don't think I've ever seen it addressed...I know I didn't drink much additional water on it--lots of lemonade...I really liked that stuff!

From http://www.therawfoodsite.com/mistakes.htm:

Additionally, the lemonade dissolves the old waste and the laxative herb tea stimulates the intestines' contractions to slough off old waste.

With all that going on, if you don't drink enough lemonade and water, and if you don't do the salt water flush each morning, you will have mobilized toxins which are not being eliminated. The result is you will feel tired, sick, achy and have cravings.

Anyone find anything in the book on water (I never read it)?

Keep us posted, and enjoy doing it w/ amazonmama25!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 23, 2007, 05:51:12 AM
I'm going to try putting the salt on my tongue and chasing it down with water tomorrow.  If that doesn't work, I'll try the lax tea in the morning. 

For all you who say you LOVE the lemonade, are you putting the cayenne in the whole batch or what?  I tried cayenne powder in the whole batch and I thought I would die from the burning and I only used a small amount in a whole gallon of the lemonade.  Then I tried using a cayenne tincture and that was just as bad.  I even normally like spicy food, but how can you all LIKE this?

Novel idea on the salt!  ;D

I put the cayenene (after realizing my errors w/ the capsules) in the last little bit of lemonade and slammed it, like a shot of bad things I used to do.   :-[ Then I'd drink a little more lemonade to wash it down...I didn't like it, but endured it.  I didn't use cayenne w/ every glass either...just enough to keep me from being cold.   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamaof7 April 23, 2007, 05:59:33 AM
...not sure how my post got combined with another post (doesn't really matter)... except, I LOVE the cayenne pepper... that's the best part!  I do like you said, put some in the bottom part of the lemonade... gives some zip to the diet :o.  I tried chugging down the salt this morning (put 1 tsp. on my tongue twice, followed by 1 pint of water each time).  It was horrible >:(.  I had to REALLY concentrate on something else for about 1/2 an hour, so that I would not throw it all up. :P  I'm going for the lax tea twice a day.  The other thing is, this is my 2nd day... and I haven't had to use the bathroom anymore than usual.  My stool this morning was loose (watery)... and I'm drinking the lemonade (about 10 oz every hour... pretty diluted with water).  Is this normal?  I've lost about 2 lbs (not sure how).

Just journaling my progress...
Thanks.
Cathy
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: hollyolly123 April 23, 2007, 08:35:58 AM
Just in case ya'll were wondering, I broke the fast on Sunday.  I got to church, but there was no way I was getting home again.  Thankfully, we do a meal together after church most of the time (which I had been planning on skipping) but my friend said I was grey, my eyes were sunken in, and I was walking really funny.  I felt like I was starving to death.  I think I actually was.  I now think that I only had enough body fat for the first three days (during which I felt pretty good) and after that I was probably burning muscle.  I was only 97 lb to begin with, and lost 3-4 lbs before stopping on day six. 

I broke my fast on some broth from bean soup, then some butter, then a glass of cold, raw milk (yum!!) and then scrambled eggs for dinner.  Food sure never tasted so good!  After the bean broth and a little butter, my face had color again and I was plenty perked up. 

I guess some people just can't do it.  I think my only issue was that I was too skinny, and my body was already trained to burn fat (I sure eat plenty of healthy fats!), so I guess that's a big boost for the "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" diet.

I'm still somewhat glad I did it, I think I was able to get a lot of the extra estrogen out of my system, and I was able to start back on meat with grass fed beef from our friend's farm.  We're sparing no expense on good meat now.  And my last period (started two days after the cleanse) was the best ever since I started cycling again after baby #2.  No passing weird stuff!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 24, 2007, 02:35:37 AM
Hi All -- Yesterday was my day 15 on the MC. I was excessively tired after having to be gone for 1/2 the day. I needed a nap when I got home, although we had a church function to go to so it only ended up being a half hour. It still helped.  I think the tiredness was just some more detoxing. Because of that, I would like to continue on longer, but due to a wedding in a week and a half and vacation in about 3 weeks, I think I should leave plenty of time to let my system get back to normal. I am also planning a liver flush (the grapefruit one) in a couple days. I will have to post how that goes.  :-\

So today I am breaking my fast. I am about to go and make my first OJ, and I plan to enjoy it slowly. :D

I truely had a great experience doing the MC. Since day 8, I found it quite easy. Before that was not exactly hard, but had its uncomfortable moments. I have felt better and had more energy than I ever remember having! And since my day 12, I haven't had any blood sugar issues at all. That is one of the most exciting things for me! Another goal that seems to have been met is my mood! From day 1, I have felt like a normal, non-depressed person!!!  It was truely worth it!

Next time, I plan to go atleast 20 day, Lord-willing! I'm talking about 4-6 months down the line. ;)   

Best wishes to all of you who have started in the last couple days!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamaof7 April 24, 2007, 04:13:14 AM
Thanks for the update, Amos.  It's encouraging to hear that one doesn't actually die doing this!  My husband thinks I'm crazy... and maybe I am ;D, but he's also supportive (I don't say too much about it... figure actions speak louder than words).
I'm starting day 3 today.  Mild hunger, but no lack of energy.  Wide awake at 5:30... to bed at 11:00... a little nap inbetween... went for a mile walk twice (nothing fast...as all the kids go with).  I have other things on my mind (packing to move) that help to distract me.  Still have not had excessive amounts of "potty breaks".  I drink 3 quarts of lemonaide a day.  Down 4 lbs.  I'm bracing myself for some detox to start (mouth feels horribly gross... told my husband not to get too close ;).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 24, 2007, 10:57:09 AM
I thought I'd let you know this, given the amount of lemons we consume on the MC:

Citric acid is found in citrus fruits such as lemons, limes, grapefruit and oranges. In addition, citric acid is found in cranberries, strawberries, pineapples, peaches and even tomatoes!

Citric acid, when taken in excess, is said to make the blood too acidic. As such, it is said that the body tries to alkalize the blood by leaching alkalizing nutrients from the body such as calcium and magnesium.  As a result, you want to make sure you are not having too much citric acid in your diet.

The keyword here is "excess". Just as you normally will eat oranges, pineapples and other fruits which contain citric acid in your daily life, so can you drink the juice of fruits containing citric acid. You simply want to avoid excess citric acid.

I think I developed a problem w/ citric acid after the MC beyond eczema.  Others have, too, from www.therawfoodsite.com (that's how I found out about it).  Just wanted to let you know....
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: CNM2B April 24, 2007, 02:09:09 PM
Just an FYI - - stevia is very alkalinizing - so if you make some of your lemonade with it, or use it in teas frequently, I think that would really help the body to not get over-acidified....

I thought I'd let you know this, given the amount of lemons we comsume on the MC:

Citric acid is found in citrus fruits such as lemons, limes, grapefruit and oranges. In addition, citric acid is found in cranberries, strawberries, pineapples, peaches and even tomatoes!

Citric acid, when taken in excess, is said to make the blood too acidic. As such, it is said that the body tries to alkalize the blood by leaching alkalizing nutrients from the body such as calcium and magnesium.  As a result, you want to make sure you are not having too much citric acid in your diet.

The keyword here is "excess". Just as you normally will eat oranges, pineapples and other fruits which contain citric acid in your daily life, so can you drink the juice of fruits containing citric acid. You simply want to avoid excess citric acid.

I think I developed a problem w/ citric acid after the MC beyond eczema.  Others have, too, from www.therawfoodsite.com (that's how I found out about it).  Just wanted to let you know....
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 24, 2007, 02:53:18 PM
Thanks for that helpful tip!  ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamaof7 April 24, 2007, 05:23:42 PM
Due to your suggestion, YooperMama, I think I'll cut down on the lemons.  Besides stevia, are there other products that would be alkalanizing that could be taken with the MC?  I, too, struggle with eczema, but usually am able to keep it under control by going off of gluten, adding extra essentials oils... but I know that it can be miserable and hard to get under control.  Come to think of it, my eczema isn't bothering me much at all right now... just finished day 3.  All went well, except for it felt like the left side of my neck and shoulder were out... seems to have corrected itself. 
I still haven't had to make extra "potty trips"  :-\(am drinking about 3 quarts a day... plus 2 1/2 cups of smooth move). 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 25, 2007, 03:50:03 AM
Would it be beneficial, do you think, to try and prevent the citric acid leaching alkalines from your body by taking a magnesium supplement or maybe some clacium too?  I have magnesium on hand for my husband, so I could do that easily. 

I want to try and start the cleanse next Tuesday.  I have too much going on this week and my son's birthday on Monday, but then Tuesday I should be good to start it.  I asked my husband to please command me to do it.  He doesn't think it would be that great but he also thinks it could be worth a try.  So I asked him to please just tell me I have to do it so he said, "Ok, you must do the Lemonade diet!" in a silly commanding tone.  LOL, so I guess I can't hem and haw anymore! he he he

Wish me "luck"! (and peace of mind, and strength, and patience, and all that...) ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamaof7 April 25, 2007, 04:20:36 AM
Thanks for the ideas...I'll look into those supplements.  I cut down on my lemon intake this morning.

I'm on day 4... I had a little scratchy throat last night, but today seem to be fine.  I am really busy at home with organizing to move and then, of course, taking care of the family (7 kids ages 11 to 1)...being busy actually helps to keep your mind off of yourself.  I have enjoyed the epsom salt bath in the afternoons, but have actually had a lot more energy and alertness than usual (although I do tend to get snippy with the kids...which is MY problem that God can deal with me on during this MC).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 25, 2007, 01:07:17 PM
Hi All! Way to go Mamaof7! Sounds like you are doing great! :)

FYI - I went to the dentist today and wondered if the lemon had done anything to my teeth to make them say anything. I finally mentioned I had just finished a 15 day fast with fresh-squeezed lemonade. She told me that it would take much more than 15 days to harm your teeth- More like years! That was surprising, but good news.

Yesterday was my 1st day off the cleanse and I actually found it harder than the cleanse. In the late afternoon I got such terrible cravings and my will power seemed to fly out the window. I snitched (just a little) here and there, and even had a cookie! Shame on me!!!!!! :o   Beware of that 1st day of breaking the fast!
Anyway, today is much better. The veggie soup was wonderful. I put everything in it that the booklet mentioned (I added mushrooms, and that just did it for me).
Tonight I finally went potty (I was a little concerned that it had not happened yet). :-[ But I have not had any cravings today for bad stuff! I think I may have been in the middle of a detox and would have benefited from another day on the cleanse, but today was good, so I am going to ride it out and see how it goes.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: mamaof7 April 25, 2007, 04:01:14 PM
You're amazing, Amos!  15 days!  How many pounds did you lose?  I started at 155 and hope to get down to at least 145 or less. Does anyone ever stay on this cleanse just to get down to their desired weight?  I'm worried about when I go off this MC.  I'm an all or nothing kind of gal.  I either eat nothing or everything! >:(  Let me know what kind-of diet you get back into and if you gain a bunch of weight back.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos April 26, 2007, 02:47:07 AM
Mamaof7- I started at about 115. The morning I broke my fast I was 104.5, so that is 10.5 pounds down!!! I was excited. Then discouraged when I had such terrible cravings that day. Anyway, yesterday I was only up one pound, so that made me feel better. I did not have the intense cravings yesterday--I was very satisfied with the soup. Today I weighed in at 103.5! I would like to be at 100 and be able to keep it off. I am 5 ft tall (counting the poof in my hair  ;D ) so that is about where I should be. I am going to try to do the raw food thing for as least a week and see how it goes. Then just eat healthy and avoid too much sugar. I will keep you posted.
Part of my reason for going clear to 15 days was weight. Just remember that weight will stall once or twice (and that can be discouraging), but then it will catch up. So don't be discouraged if you do not lose the 2 lbs/ day that they say you will. 

Tonight I plan to start my liver cleanse. Please pray for me. I am a little nervous.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T April 26, 2007, 03:32:14 AM
Amos,

I haven't done the MC so it may not compare but I did a liver cleanse last week and the hardest part about it was not eating after 2:00 in the afternoon.  It would seem like you could do that easily after the MC so the rest should be a piece of cake!  It didn't taste bad at all with the grapefruit juice and it was quite successful!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie April 26, 2007, 04:32:24 AM
You're amazing, Amos!  15 days!  How many pounds did you lose?  I started at 155 and hope to get down to at least 145 or less. Does anyone ever stay on this cleanse just to get down to their desired weight?  I'm worried about when I go off this MC.  I'm an all or nothing kind of gal.  I either eat nothing or everything! >:(  Let me know what kind-of diet you get back into and if you gain a bunch of weight back.
This is SO me.  I did a 30 day water fast and it was really easy for me.  I had energy I baked for my family.......but it's true that coming off thing is really the hardest part.  I am a oh, it's just this and by the end of the day...YIKES!  I can't wait to be able to do this but I am still BF so I can't yet.  Unfortunately I never have kept any of the weight off but I have gotten pregnant after any fasts too so.......can that be an excuse?   ;)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 April 26, 2007, 04:54:36 AM
I am baffled as to why some of you are trying to LOSE weight on the MC if you're under 130 to begin with.  Geez, if you guys are overweight at that, then I must tip the scales!  Is it healthy to be THAT thin?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio April 26, 2007, 06:36:56 AM
I am baffled as to why some of you are trying to LOSE weight on the MC if you're under 130 to begin with.  Geez, if you guys are overweight at that, then I must tip the scales!  Is it healthy to be THAT thin?

Yeah, I agree!  That sounds awfully small, wether someone is 5ft nothing or not.  Keep in mind that when you do the MC and take in no protein or healthy fats, the weight you lose is not necessarily "fat", but a lot is healthy muscle mass.  Your body is basically "wasting away".  Which is why I don't think the MC is good for everyone to do(except for the severely ill or fungus/yeast overgrowth)  or for normally healthy people to do for 10 days.  That is crazy!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama April 30, 2007, 06:59:19 AM
Amos, how were you able to drink the oil?  I had such a hard time with that that I had to give up.  Any tips?

Read the thread on the Liver/GallbladderFlush...someone mentioned today something about blending it to make it creamy like DQ.  I'm not kidding!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: HeyMom May 02, 2007, 01:19:35 PM
another media viewpoint ~
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/02/master.cleanse.ap/index.html
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Mrs. B May 02, 2007, 01:25:42 PM
I am going to start the Master Cleanse at some point in the next few weeks.  What I am wondering is if any of  you have had more success having timed the cleanse to your monthly cycle(Female) or to the lunar cycle?  I hope that this is not too off the wall or offensive to anyone, but I really want to set myself up to succeed at this. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: littlemama24 May 02, 2007, 02:43:10 PM
I am extremely leary of the Master Cleanse now after reading all the conflicting information about whether or not it is actual cleansing or throwing your body out of whack.  I already know that I have a hard time reading my body's signals of distress and dismissing them as "flesh" until it's too late.  I do not want to cause more harm than good.  I do feel; however, that I do need to fast.  My body just seems to be craving it.  I think I will do some meal fasts to "break myself in" and then do juice fasts.  I feel a lot better with just increasing my water intake dramatically.  Also, my schedule has quickly filled up again and I can not do anything to incapacitate myself so for now this will be the way I go.  I am happy for all of you for whom it has worked and I commend all the rest of you whom have tried it no matter your results.  For now, I don't think it will be my thing.  Maybe in the future.  I think it is too drastic.  Besides I read that it was designed for a person who's body is used to a vegetarian diet and that is not me at this point.  Thanks to everyone who posted unabashedly and for all your willingness to try new things!

 ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Amos May 03, 2007, 04:55:21 AM
Great Job, Mamaof7! You did it!!  Congratulations! 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama May 03, 2007, 02:02:27 PM
I am going to start the Master Cleanse at some point in the next few weeks.  What I am wondering is if any of  you have had more success having timed the cleanse to your monthly cycle(Female) or to the lunar cycle?  I hope that this is not too off the wall or offensive to anyone, but I really want to set myself up to succeed at this. 
The only thing for me was rather confusing and obscure fertility signs. We use NFP so it was inconvenient but no real problems. I do wish I had waited to start until I was certain I had ovulated for that cycle. I felt like it was great to end the cleanse as I started menstruating. Really, really clean and light feeling.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: likemanywaters May 05, 2007, 07:32:53 AM
My son LOVES lemons. He loves eating them plain right out of his water, just like orange slices.
Any clue why??  I know there has been much research by YooperMama on citric acid and eczema and all that. So I don't know whether him wanting them is a good or bad thing. I was thinking of keeping him off acidy fruits like lemons, citrus, tomatoes, but suppose he's craving them b/c his body needs them. I know a squirt of lemon juice in your water is supposed to help out your liver. Why? If lemons stimulate the body to release toxins, then maybe I should be giving him more? But I've read several places that acidy foods can agrivate eczema. Here's a thought. If lemons (or citrus) stimulate the body to release toxins and help the liver perhaps what some people would think is an allergic reaction, like an increase in rashes, is really an increase of the rate the body is releasing toxins... ??? Any thoughts anyone??

The lemons stimulate the body to release toxins
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 05, 2007, 08:31:12 AM
Any thoughts anyone??



Honestly, I just think it is a normal kid thing to do.  I ate fresh lemons straight off the rind as a kid, along with my cousins.  I couldn't imagine eating them, now, but the juice is okay.  My kids love lemons, too.  Maybe it is the age?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Nickole May 05, 2007, 09:03:59 AM
Any thoughts anyone??



Honestly, I just think it is a normal kid thing to do.  I ate fresh lemons straight off the rind as a kid, along with my cousins.  I couldn't imagine eating them, now, but the juice is okay.  My kids love lemons, too.  Maybe it is the age?

My kids love lemon slices too.  They ALWAYS ask for a slice to eat whole if I am cutting lemons.  My mom still likes to eat lemons slices, though, so maybe she's still a kid at heart!   ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt May 05, 2007, 06:31:23 PM
another media viewpoint ~
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/02/master.cleanse.ap/index.html

Dr. Ed Zimney, the medical director of HealthTalk, a Seattle, Washington-based Web site where a lively debate about the cleanse has flourished, said: "Your gastrointestinal tract does not need to be cleaned out because it is constantly in motion. This whole idea of cleaning out toxins from the colon is a complete myth and unnecessary."

So is the water in my toilet, but it gets clogged occasionally. ;D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ShabbyChic May 07, 2007, 07:41:21 AM
We all love to eat lemons (husband, kids and me).  I think it has to do with the craving bitter and tart, but I know it's bad for your teeth so I don't let them do it very often.  Ohhhh... I love that feeling in my jaw when I eat something tart!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama May 07, 2007, 08:15:07 AM
Here's a thought. If lemons (or citrus) stimulate the body to release toxins and help the liver perhaps what some people would think is an allergic reaction, like an increase in rashes, is really an increase of the rate the body is releasing toxins... ??? Any thoughts anyone??

I thought the same thing for awhile.  I don't think so anymore.   :-\
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: larissakissa May 07, 2007, 09:08:55 AM
Hello;
 I just did the liver flush last night-UUUGGHHHHHH!!!!!-and am planning on starting the Master Cleanse tommorrow morning. Anyone else just starting? I don't have any health issues other than I need to lose 20 lbs.
Thanks -B
Hello, I also want to do the Master Cleanse but I always thought that I should do the liver flush after the cleanse.  Am I wrong? ???  Shoul I do the liver flush before the cleanse.  I am also taking clarkia for the parasite cleanse right now (so far-nothing) and after finishing that, I was thinking master cleanse the next day after stopping clarkia.  Am I on the right track?   What about kidney cleanse?  When do I do that? Is that the same thing as master cleanse?   So sorry for so many questions.  ::)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 07, 2007, 03:16:58 PM
Hello, I also want to do the Master Cleanse but I always thought that I should do the liver flush after the cleanse.  Am I wrong? ???  Shoul I do the liver flush before the cleanse.

It is recommended that you either do a liver flush or some liver "prepping"(milk thistle/dandelion teas and some coffee enemas) BEFORE and AFTER the MC.  HTH!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: pecharka5 May 08, 2007, 01:48:12 PM
I started yesterday.  So far so good.  I am not totally sure if I am doing it reight, but I feel good, alittle tired though.  I did the coffee enema and scared my self.  I do not thik it all came out?? :o  Anyone eles have that trouble?  New to ememas, so I worry I will do more harm than good. Did a stevia tea, before bed, and boyu did I have a stamace ache in the middle of the night!  But I keep thinking cleansing is going on.

Today i tried the sea salt and water drink thinkg.  I eleminated within 10 min.  So I like that better than emema.  I just read that it was important to eliminate daily... I am not sure about the salt water thing yet, but I tried it. 

Can you put too much lemon in your water?  I have used a lemon or 2 per quart?  Is that bad?   And cayane peper, how much is too much?  I put it in a capsuel too, so I do not want to over do that... Hope to keep up with you who are doing it too.  It is noce to have others to talk too.  But I am going for a min of 10 days, then see where I go from there..
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthyinOhio May 08, 2007, 02:49:08 PM
I did the coffee enema and scared my self.

You are not suppose to do an enema while on the MC. You can do them a few days before the MC or even after, but not during.  HTH!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: kaira May 10, 2007, 07:08:09 AM
Okay -

I think I am going to try this but reading the whole thread again overwhelmes me.  I have several questions.

First, does the drink taste gross?

Second, can I keep drinking my water w/ salt?

Third, how much lemon/syrup drink do I need to drink?

Four, what are the likely side effects going to be - I am probably a toxic waste dump.  I have been only drinking water for several months now - with the occasional breakdown Coke? 

Fifth, if I do eat something - I have never really went without food for days - will it do harm?

Anything else I should know? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: larissakissa May 18, 2007, 03:03:14 PM
Here are some questions  that I have...

Is it safe to be on the master cleanse while having your period at the same time? 
How soon can I try to conceive after comming off the master cleanse? Can I do it a few days later? 

I haven't got my period yet and I probably will tomorrow or in a couple of days.  I am starting the master cleanse tomorrow  and I usually ovulate on day 14 after my period starts.  We've been trying to have a baby for months,  :-\  and I don't want to wait another month to try again, but I really want to do the cleanse before getting pregnant.  Is it safe to get pregnant right after the cleanse?  I was also thinking to do a liver cleanse right after the master cleanse, (that is if I won't ovulate yet).  Any ideas anybody? ::)  Thank you for your replies. :D
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: larissakissa May 19, 2007, 10:19:58 AM
Well, I started the master cleanse this morning and I already have a headache.  I usully get headaches if I miss a meal.  I don't know how long I can stand it, I just hope it won't change to a migrane.  Usually that happens if I don't treat the headache.  I already want to eat something . (the worst thing is that we were invited to a birthday party at the park and I just keep thinking of those yummy tasty burgers :'(),  and the lemonade drink makes me nausiated.  I think it's the cayenne pepper that I put in the drink.  Is it a MUST in the drink?  What about the salt water.  It says in the directions to drink a full quart of the salty water in the morning.  That's 32 oz, right?  Do I need to drink it all at one time?  Like in 5 minutes?   Sorry for so many qustions.  It's my first time doing the cleanse and I just want to be sure that I'm doing it right, and most importantly-go thru with it.   Anybody else is starting the cleanse?  Maybe we can support each other. :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama May 19, 2007, 11:56:04 AM
Is it safe to be on the master cleanse while having your period at the same time? 
I started mine w/ my period and it went very well, I thought.  Lighter and some people have echoed that it was a good time to do it.

I would refer back to pages on why cayenne in capsules is not recommended. 

The cayenne is for heat and has a bunch of great medicinal properties (uncapsulated).  Salt water is supposed to be chugged w/i 10-20 minutes, I think.  Some substitute the laxative tea fo it, but I think the SWF works better.  I found it was "better" warm.   :-\

Just some things that I experienced...I would not MC again, though, even though I had many good benefits from doing it 18 days.   :P

: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Jessarie May 25, 2007, 09:49:49 AM

As far as enemas go, (hehe) it is a very well known and accepted medical proceedure. I hated the idea and was scared of trying it, until I did an enema the first time. Piece of cake. No problem. Get in a hot tub of water with some relaxing essential oil, and your favorite book. Do the enema in the tub and you'll be amazed how easy and stress free the procedure is. 
I'll put a link on enemas at the bottom of this post, with all the warnings, directions, etc... follow the links in the article to read more about specific types of enemas.

I just started reading this - forgive me if this was already answered.  Wouldn't the tub water get pretty gross doing an enema in it? 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Maria/NHM May 25, 2007, 10:24:37 AM

As far as enemas go, (hehe) it is a very well known and accepted medical proceedure. I hated the idea and was scared of trying it, until I did an enema the first time. Piece of cake. No problem. Get in a hot tub of water with some relaxing essential oil, and your favorite book. Do the enema in the tub and you'll be amazed how easy and stress free the procedure is. 
I'll put a link on enemas at the bottom of this post, with all the warnings, directions, etc... follow the links in the article to read more about specific types of enemas.

I just started reading this - forgive me if this was already answered.  Wouldn't the tub water get pretty gross doing an enema in it? 


I think you would insert the enema in the tub and get up and expell it into the toilet. At least I would! :P
Brings back memories of taking a bath with my baby sister :o ;D

Maria
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: T May 25, 2007, 10:39:25 AM
I would recommend no water in the tub.  I thought the tub was just the 'catch can' for any accidents.  Then it's easier to clean and a far better place for 'refuse' than the floor!  Tee Hee!  Depending on how close you are to the toilet will determine the mess...I put some old towels down for 'comfort.'  Wish I knew how to add those smiley faces!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery May 30, 2007, 07:15:06 AM
Can a twelve year old girl do the Master Cleanse?  I have a friend at church that asked me, and I was not sure.  Anyone have any experience with this?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery May 31, 2007, 02:21:46 AM
I am getting ready to start the Master Cleanse on Monday.  Anyone want to join me?  I want to know if I could still drink my Kombucha?  Since it is also a detox, would it interfere?  I really hate to give up drinking that, I love it! 

Also, I did research and found out if you are still in the growing stages you should NOT do the Master Cleanse. 
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: sarahmontgomery June 10, 2007, 09:04:14 AM
Bump please
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Soñadora June 19, 2007, 10:41:46 AM
Well, my PLAN is to start this cleanse tomorrow.  I can't remember if you ladies quit taking your vitamins and such during it. 
I'm wondering about the vitamins and such, too... :-\
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Mrs. B June 19, 2007, 11:22:59 AM
Well, my PLAN is to start this cleanse tomorrow.  I can't remember if you ladies quit taking your vitamins and such during it. 
I'm wondering about the vitamins and such, too... :-\
Generally, when you cleanse you need to avoid vitamins as they are attempting to build or feed the body not break things down and detoxify it.  The only supplements that I take when cleansing are green foods and maybe some fiber.  I do not use my vitamins at this time.  I also use cleansing herbs in either tea or capsule form.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie June 20, 2007, 03:07:32 AM
Sorry if I am being redundant but I read thru the book again last night.  Do I still drink my 3 qts of water in addition to the lemonade? And do I still add my 1/4 tsp of salt to it or do I quit the water cure while I am doing the cleanse?  Thanks.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: Pennie June 21, 2007, 04:39:16 PM
Thanks Yoopermama :)  Yes, actually I have the smooth move too and it does say it is supposed to reduce cramping.  I cramped kinda bad this morning aroudn 5 but it went away after......you know.   ::)  Then this evening it just started to cramp again but different.  Not as intense and more like gas.  Thanks again.  I had a really good day.  Yesterday I got just a slight head around 8:30 pm but it didn't last long and then baby did sleep well so I got up to get her a drink and I saw a roach but just maimed him and he went under the stove so when I bent over I got another head ache.  but just slight and didn't last long.  I was tired yesterday but couldn't really sleep.  Today I have been busy all day and even did BWO+.  I was going to try and do lunges again but things got busy....baby started needing me. So I didn't but I feel good.  I really don't even feel ready for bed although I did earlier.   :) Thanks again!!
And thank you too Mrs. B.   :)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: diaperswyper June 25, 2007, 01:58:29 AM
   I only lost about 9 lbs. on the cleanse and gained several back immediately when i ate. It's not supposed to be a weight loss plan but i know how it feels to want to lose more. My mil did it for 16 days and lost about 16 lbs. It reallly seemed to drop when she went past the 10 day mark. Go figure.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: morningglory June 26, 2007, 09:37:14 AM
I'm getting ready to do the MC :-\.  I'm going to fast tomorrow and do a liver flush tomorrow night.  I'll give myself a few days to recover, and then I plan to start the MC.  I need to cleanse for yeast too, but I thought that I should probably do the MC first because of all of the sugar in the maple syrup.  Here's my question:  I can't afford grade B maple syrup right now, and I don't want to use it anyway, because then I could cleanse for yeast at the same time.  Would that work ????  And I have bee pollen; could I take that for nutrients instead of the maple syrup, or would that mess up the cleanse ????  I'm going to be taking Three-Lac at the end of the MC just to make sure I take care of the candida/leaky gut syndrome.  Any advice on the best way to do all of this?
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: YoopreMama June 26, 2007, 10:11:31 AM
I'm getting ready to do the MC :-\.  I'm going to fast tomorrow and do a liver flush tomorrow night.  I'll give myself a few days to recover, and then I plan to start the MC.  I need to cleanse for yeast too, but I thought that I should probably do the MC first because of all of the sugar in the maple syrup.  Here's my question:  I can't afford grade B maple syrup right now, and I don't want to use it anyway, because then I could cleanse for yeast at the same time.  Would that work ????  
I didn't use grade B, and I know others didn't either.  I think it's helpful for energy but not sure if it's essential.  I know honey isn't recommended...MS made my lemonade so yummy!  I might make some here soon! Sorry I have no other helpful ideas...
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: boysmama June 26, 2007, 03:14:35 PM
I'm getting ready to do the MC :-\.  I'm going to fast tomorrow and do a liver flush tomorrow night.  I'll give myself a few days to recover, and then I plan to start the MC.  I need to cleanse for yeast too, but I thought that I should probably do the MC first because of all of the sugar in the maple syrup.  Here's my question:  I can't afford grade B maple syrup right now, and I don't want to use it anyway, because then I could cleanse for yeast at the same time.  Would that work ????  And I have bee pollen; could I take that for nutrients instead of the maple syrup, or would that mess up the cleanse ????  I'm going to be taking Three-Lac at the end of the MC just to make sure I take care of the candida/leaky gut syndrome.  Any advice on the best way to do all of this?
Personally I would not try the MC schedule without using the maple syrup. You could do a cleanse with lemon water/bee pollen/fasting but you may not detox in the same way and you may need to use a different timetable.
If I recommend the MC to some one (off line) I always recommend 6 weeks of parasite and yeast cleansing w/ herbs, probiotics, and sugar free diet; also some gentle liver and kidney prep. I would never, never attempt the MC while experiencing yeast symptoms. 
...I did do yeast cleansing and the MC. Recommend MC occassionally. I respect and appreciate the huge cleansing and body shifts  it can bring, but advise caution in properly preparing for the cleanse.
  :) Just my thoughts.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: morningglory June 26, 2007, 05:02:46 PM
So I should cleanse for yeast first?  I know I have BAD leaky gut, and I was afraid that doing the MC (with the maple syrup) after I get rid of yeast would bring the yeast back.  I'm also going to do a parasite cleanse somewhere in between everything else.  The reason I'm trying to get all of this done is because in November, we plan to try conceiving again.  I read the MC book again, and I see what you mean about the maple syrup being necessary.  Can somebody advise me how to arrange the MC, Three-Lac candida-cleansing, liver flushes, and parasite cleanse?  I want to do it in the order that would be most effective.
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: morningglory June 27, 2007, 01:14:29 AM
Okay, I think I've answered my own question.  I read on curezone that you should take care of any parasites before doing liver flushes.  So I'll cleanse for yeast and parasites first, then do as many liver flushes as I need after the parasites are gone, then when I'm done with the Three-lac, I'll do the MC to finish everything off and get rid of all the junk left over.  Does that sound like a good plan ????  I just don't want to waste money on Three-lac only to reverse the results, and I really don't want to fast for 10 days if it's not doing me any good.  Somebody guide me!
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 27, 2007, 03:53:50 AM
Okay, I think I've answered my own question.  I read on curezone that you should take care of any parasites before doing liver flushes.  So I'll cleanse for yeast and parasites first, then do as many liver flushes as I need after the parasites are gone, then when I'm done with the Three-lac, I'll do the MC to finish everything off and get rid of all the junk left over.  Does that sound like a good plan ????  I just don't want to waste money on Three-lac only to reverse the results, and I really don't want to fast for 10 days if it's not doing me any good.  Somebody guide me!
You may need to recolonize your gut after the MC, but drinking maple syrup will not cause yeast.  Maple syrup will only feed the yeast that is already there.  If you've taken care of this problem before you start the MC then everything should be fine.  Keep in mind, that it really depends on the severity of your condition, how long it will take to fix your candida/leaky gut problem.  It took me 10 months.  My husband is still fighting it, but he's less aggressive in his approach (likes pop & candy  ::)).
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: healthybratt June 27, 2007, 06:39:00 AM
This topic has been locked.  Answers to questions regarding substitutions, order of cleansing (parasites, liver & yeast) and just about anything else you can think of have already been answered more than once in the pages of this thread.  If you are looking to have these questions answered, please read through the thread in order (from page 1).  If you'd like to find your answer more quickly, you can use the advanced search function to minimize your search for keywords in a specific folder.

As time permits, I am going to move all replies related to daily logging over to another thread.  If you are currently cleansing and want to log, chat and share your experiences, please post your replies there.

Do the Master Cleanse with Me: Daily Log & Chat for Encouragement (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,9323.new.html#new)
: Re: The Master Cleanse
: ForeverGirl October 20, 2007, 06:08:34 AM
Hey healthybratt, hope it's okay for me to add this information on to the end of this thread... feel free to move it if you have a better place for it...

From the Enzyme-Mineral Connection thread:
Thanks for the information! That looks like a good product.

I feel like I am seeing a whole picture now. I have experimented on myself the last few weeks, and am convinced that my personal defficiency was enzymes - specifically Lipase. However, when I started taking minerals, I noticed improved muscular health, vision, and the fact that I needed less enzymes to maintain healthy skin.

As of today, my skin is %100 normal and healthy. :D Some of the lines/wrinkles that developed over the last year from the extreme dryness are also fading. This is a very obvious side effect that I believe is due to my skin being able to utilize the fats I eat now, instead of excreting them as toxins (rash/acne.)

I am taking one Super Enzyme with each meal, and one before bed. I take one Omega Balance (fatty acids) with each enzyme tablet, and drink the whole thing down with water that has a few drops of ConcenTrace Trace Mineral Drops by "Liquimins." I also add sea salt to the water.

And, we've also added bone broths (minerals) to our diet on a more regular basis, and lots of raw cabbage (enzymes.)

So I'm getting Fatty Acids, Enzymes, and Minerals. I feel good, and my skin is healthy at last.

An important side note here:
I think the reason I was enzyme defficient is due to the Liver/Gallbladder problems I had almost two years ago, which resulted in repeated liver flushes, and a Master Cleanse. I don't see how I could have avoided doing those cleanses and kept my gallbladder, but I do think that the repeated flushes and MC depleted my pancreas of enzymes. Because of the oil-drinking involved with the flushes, I think I used up all my lipase supply. The MC probably depleted me of several things, including fats, minerals, and enzymes.

I am NOT saying the MC or the Liver Flush is bad, but rather; like any extreme health measure (drugs, surgery, etc...) they have side effects that must be taken into consideration. If you need a Liver Flush to clean out your gallbladder and relieve your liver - go ahead. But increase your enzyme, mineral, and Fatty Acid intake at the same time. I guess I should copy/paste this in the appropriate threads...

Rebekah
[/size]