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: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: healthybratt April 20, 2006, 08:41:59 PM
James A Duke, Phd "The Green Pharmacy"

As a general rule, you shouldn't take herbs while you're pregnant unless you discuss your selections with your obstetrician.

There's a good reason for this.   Quite a few herbs can increase the risk of miscarriage.  Maine herbalist Deb Soule, author of the feminst herbal The Roots of Healing, advises pregnant women to avoid the following herbs:  bayberry root bark, cascara sagrada, feverfew, juniper berries, mugwort, pennyroyal, pokeroot, rue, senna, southernwood, tansy, thuja and wormwood.  That sounds like good advice to me, and I would add a few more to this list:  balsam pear, chervil, Chinesen angelica, hernandia, hyptis, mayapple and mountain mint.  Lately I've also seen caution flags about evening primrose and St.-John's-wort, but I haven't seen the rationale behind these caveats. 

It's also a good idea not to binge on celery or parsley.  Eating a little of these healthy vegetable won't do any harm, but eating a lot could conceivably cause a problem.

You should limit your consumption of caffeine as well.  One study showed what the researchers called a "strong association of caffeine intake during pregnancy and fetal loss"  As little as 163 milligrams of caffeine per day--the amount in one to two cups of brewed coffee--might double the risk of spontaneous abortion.

In addition, here are a few more "don'ts" during pregnancy:  Don't smoke, don't drink alcohol, and again, don't take any drugs, including over-the-counter products, except on the advice of your physician...

Pregnant women should not take feverfew because of a remote possibility that it might trigger miscarriage.  And women who are nursing should not use it because of the possibility of passing the herb to infants via milk...

Aloes (Aloe, various species), buckthorn (Rhamnus catharticus), cascara sagrada (Rhamnus purshianus), frangula (Frangula alnus) and senna (Cassia senna).  These herbs all contain powerful natural laxative chemicals called anthraquinones...Anthraquinone laxatives should not be taken over long periods of time or during pregnancy or nursing...

Susan S. Weed: Storknet (http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/pregnancy/herbalallies.htm)

Herbs Women May Wish to Avoid During Pregnancy and While Lactating

    * Agave and Yucca (Agave species): contain large quantities of irritating saponins
    * Aloes (Aloe species): purging cathartic
    * Birthroot (Trillium species): contains oxytocin
    * Black cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa): may irritate the uterus
    * Blue cohosh (Caulophyllum thalictroides): contains oxytocin
    * Buckthorn (Rhamnus cathartica, Rhamnus frangula): purging cathartic
    * Cascara sagrada (Rhamnus purshiana): purging cathartic
    * Castor oil (Ricinus communis): purging cathartic
    * Comfrey (Symphytum uplandica): alkaloids in roots are dangerous to the liver; leaves are safe to use
    * Cotton root bark (Gossypium harbaceum): contains oxytocin
    * Dong quai (Angelica sinensis): contains coumarins which may irritate uterus and liver
    * Ephedra (all species): increases blood pressure; may cause heart palpitations, insomnia, headaches
    * Evening primrose oil (Oenothera biennis): used by midwives to initiate labor
    * Ginseng (Panax quinquefolium): may cause headaches, irritability, insomnia
    * Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis): contains irritating alkaloids which stress liver and kidneys
    * Juniper berries (Juniperus communis): very harsh on the kidneys
    * Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra): increases blood pressure; large doses can cause heart failure, headache, lethargy, water retention, and excessive excretion of potassium
    * Ma-huang (another name for ephedra)
    * Mistletoe (Viscum album): large doses can have detrimental effects on the heart
    * Mistletoe, American (Phoradendron flavescens): raises blood pressure, causes uterine contractions
    * Rue (Ruta graveolens): contains essential oils that can damage the kidneys and liver
    * Senna (Cassia senna): potent purging cathartic
    * Thuja (Thuja occidentalis): contains essential oils that can damage the kidneys and liver
    * Turkey rhubarb (Rheum palmatum): purgative; may cause uterine contractions
    * Wormwood (Artemisia absinthium): essential oils can adversely affect brain

Women Who Miscarry Easily May Also Want to Avoid These Herbs

    * Autumn crocus (Colchicum autumnale): also known as saffron; large doses can cause miscarriage
    * Basil (Basilicum species): see mints
    * Bearberry (Berberis vulgaris): bark contains similar alkaloids to goldenseal; berries and leaves OK
    * Catnip (Nepeta cataria): see mints
    * Flax seeds (Linum usitatissimum): large doses may stimulate uterine contractions
    * Feverfew (Chrysanthemum parthenium): contains essential oils that can damage liver and kidneys
    * Ground ivy (Hedeoma hederacea): see mints
    * Mints - such as basil, catnip, rosemary, thyme, savory, peppermint, oregano, ground ivy, sage, and spearmint - contain essential oils that, used internally (or extracted into a tincture) may harm the kidneys and liver; the infusion, taken in large enough quantity, may stimulate uterine contractions
    * Mugwort/Cronewort (Artemisia vulgaris): used to help bring on labor
    * Nutmeg (Myristica fragrans): a large dose of this spice contains the essential oils that could adversely affect the brain, liver, and kidneys
    * Oregano (Oreganum species): see mints
    * Osha (Ligusticum porterii): may irritate the uterus
    * Parsley (Petroselinum crispum): a well-known, and quite effective, abortifacient
    * Poke root (Phytolacca americana): large dose (more than 4 drops) may stress kidneys
    * Pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium or Hedeoma pulegiodes): essential oil may harm kidneys and liver; also see mints
    * Peppermint (Mentha piperita): see mints
    * Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis): see mints
    * Sage (Salvia officinalis): see mints
    * Savory (Satureja hortensis): see mints
    * Southernwood (Artemisia abrotanum): essential oils, similar to those in wormwood, are easily extracted into tinctures and can adversely affect the brain
    * Spearmint (Mentha spicata): see mints
    * Tansy (Tanacetum vulgare): essential oils in tincture may damage kidneys and liver
    * Thyme (Thymus species): see mints
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: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: Sunny April 21, 2006, 06:47:14 AM
Thanks for the info, as I am a nursing mom!  Is there a website I could consult that would give these types of details for any condition someone might have(i.e. high blood pressure, kidnye stones, etc.). 

Sunny  :)
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: Danae April 21, 2006, 07:06:46 AM
I'm not sure if I'd agree with Susan Weed on Evening Primrose Oil.  One of my good friends (who is studying to be a Nurse Midwife) has found EPO to be very helpful to her in her pregnancies and found that her last 2 children - with whom she took EPO through her entire pregnancy/lactation - have little to no allergies vs her first 4 children who all have allergies, some VERY severe.  She also gives her son who has severe allergies EPO on a daily basis and has found it to be very helpful for him.  The only thing she did differently in her last 2 pregnancies was add the EPO to her diet. 
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: healthybratt April 21, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
Thanks for the info, as I am a nursing mom!  Is there a website I could consult that would give these types of details for any condition someone might have(i.e. high blood pressure, kidnye stones, etc.). 

Sunny  :)

I didn't find a complete list anywhere.  Most good herbal books will have the contrainidications listed (usually in the index for easy reference) and you could google "Herbs High Blood Pressure", "Herbs Cause Kidney Stones", etc.  Using this method, I found a few miscellaneous pieces of information on each condition.
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: simplecountrygal April 21, 2006, 01:35:52 PM
I have used herbs (avoiding the unsafe) during my pregnancy and nursing days and have found them to be irreplaceable!  Shonda Parker (mother of 7 and family herbalist) has been a great source of knowlegde for me.  She speaks at midwifery conferences on the use of herbs.  I highly recommend her books (Naturally Healthy Pregnancy--revised edition coming next year, Mommy Diagnostics, and Naturally Healthy Woman).  Her website, www.naturallyhealthy.org, has some great info. 

There is a line of glycerin based herbal formulas for pregnant mamas at www.trilightherbs.com.  (I find their website confusing and prefer to shop by catalog then order on-line.)  This line was Shonda Parker's formulas.  (But she doesn't recieve any money from the sales.)  You can find a guide to these formulas on her website. 

I've also used other herbs and herbal formulas from this company and other companies that I felt safe and more beneficial than "riding it out" or over the counter alternatives.  I feel they have often prevented me (and my boys) from needing prescription medicines. 

Just thought y'all might find this helpful.  :)
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: bizymum April 27, 2006, 06:25:05 AM
I was wondering if it's possible to overdose on herbs?  I'm 12 weeks pregnant, I take 1 Supermom tab a day, and during the second and third trimesters I will be drinking Mama's Red Raspberry Brew (I did this with my last pregnancy and it helped alot!).  I just checked out the link that Helen listed for Mountain Meadow Herbs and I'm very interested in their Gentle Birth Formula, which is only taken during the 5 weeks prior to birth.  The only herb that the tea and the formula share is red raspberry.  But I was concerned that all of this may be too much to do all at once, especially since it's not just my body I need to be concerned with right now.  Any thoughts?
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: petrimama April 27, 2006, 08:36:03 AM
Most herb doses are definitely to be monitored, especially during pregnancy.  As far as red raspberry, I have heard things on both ends of the spectrum, and everything in between.  As a rule of thumb, low doses are safer, but since red raspberry has so many benefits, it would be a shame to miss out on them by setting unnecessary limits.  I'd say talk to whoever you trust with your pregnancy care because they know your situation more thoroughly, then do a little responsible reading and make an informed decision based on the advice in combination with what you find.       ~L
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: jeniwren August 15, 2006, 07:39:38 AM
That information was so helpful!! I was looking for information about cascara sagrada and senna in regard to pregnancy. Now I know. I wish I had researched it sooner. I had a "threatened miscarriage", as the docs call it, that caused me to look at what herbs I was taking. I'm 14 weeks now and my system is clear of herbs so I feel safer; but I'm still going to be cautious. Thanks again.
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: Caroline August 15, 2006, 08:13:23 AM
One book has been SO helpful for me while I am nursing is The Nursing Mother's Herabal by Sheila Humphrey.  It has a complete list of herbs in the back of the 332 page book that goes a-z on the safety of herbs while nursing.  It has a lot in there about low milk supply, when you are sick, when your baby is sick, weaning and return of fertility, etc. I love this book and use it often!  We sell it at www.newlittleblessing.com or you can do a google search for it.  :)  I think every nursing Mother that uses herbs should have this book!
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: crystaldew February 09, 2007, 10:14:28 AM
I looked around, but may have missed this topic. Does anyone have advice on which herbs are safe/NOT safe during pregnancy? my husband has a bad cold and i wanted to take some echinacea for a boost just in case, but then i began to doubt...echinacea, goldenseal, elderberry...any info would be appreciated!
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: here-n-there-a-little February 09, 2007, 10:46:07 AM
I know I read some info somewhere on here about safe herbs and such for pregnancy, but I can't seem to find it now.  HB, didn't you posted a whole bunch of herb info and safety for pregnancy?

I have been using garlic, elderberry, lavendar EO and tea tree oil.  You mentioned you doubt elderberry.  Did you find some info that indicated one should not use it during pregnancy?  I haven't found anything on any of the above mentioned.  I am a little more cautious about the tea tree because it is SO concentrated, but don't worry about the garlic or elderberry.  That's just my opinion after a bit of research.
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: CKSMOM February 09, 2007, 11:30:23 AM
I looked around, but may have missed this topic. Does anyone have advice on which herbs are safe/NOT safe during pregnancy? my husband has a bad cold and i wanted to take some echinacea for a boost just in case, but then i began to doubt...echinacea, goldenseal, elderberry...any info would be appreciated!

I don't have any info on echinacea, but I do have a magazine article regarding herbs for pregnancy and it says goldenseal may cause the uterus to contract, I'd probably avoid that one.
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: Myjoy February 09, 2007, 11:38:11 AM
Yes, I too, would avoid goldeseal during pregnancy. In Naturally Healthy Pregnancy, these are the herbs she says to avoid completely:
Blue cohosh
Celery seed
Cottonroot
Feverfew
Gentian
Golden Root or Golden Rod, Groundsel, Life Root, Wild Valerian
Goldenseal
Greater Celandine
Motherwort
Pennyroyal
Rue
Shepherd's Purse
Spanish fly
Tansy
Uva Ursi
Wormwood
Senna

I would definitely stay away from these. But I would take Echinacea and Elderberry.
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: natural February 09, 2007, 01:20:06 PM
anyone know if slippery elm or marshmallow root are safe during prego?
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: natural February 10, 2007, 04:31:16 AM
if agave is bad, do you think "agave nectar" is bad??
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: SC February 11, 2007, 08:18:20 AM
If there was an herb I was wanting to take during pregnancy, I would research its actions and cautions.

If an herb is likely to work as an peristaltic (meaning that it stimulates successive muscular contractions of the intestines which move waste through the gastrointestinal tract), I would not take it as it could trigger uterine contractions. Check your laxative herbs for this action.

I would also avoid over consumption of herbs that thinned the blood, so as to avoid potential problems there.

As an additional safeguard, I would look for specific cautions to pregnant moms. A simple internet search using the name of the herb you are researching and the word pregnant or breastfeed would give you several sites with information.

This may be a useful method for those just wanting to know if a particular herb is safe or not.
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: CNM2B February 11, 2007, 12:02:24 PM
So are there any laxative type herbs that are safe during pregnancy?? I would have thought for sure that the aloe would be gentle enough....
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: earthymomof2 February 11, 2007, 12:16:08 PM
CNM2B,

I think aloe is still too harsh.  The leaves are a pretty potent laxative.

In my Naturally Healthy Pregnancy book, by Shonda Parker, professional herbalist, it says that psylllium husk provides bulk.  Obviously, lots of watter.  And Yellow Dock is safe to be used as a laxative during pregnancy.

Trilight Herbs has a pregnancy safe herbal laxative.  It's called Move-EZ.

http://www.trilightherbs.com/merchant/pregorderform.htm#bottom7

HTH.

Sarah
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: CNM2B February 11, 2007, 12:20:09 PM
Good to know... Thanks.
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: SC February 11, 2007, 12:51:14 PM
So are there any laxative type herbs that are safe during pregnancy?? I would have thought for sure that the aloe would be gentle enough....

Not all laxative herbs work the same way. I mentioned one type of action (the kind that triggers muscle contractions -- peristaltic). Other laxatives work by producing more digestive fluid. These are generally considered safe for pregnancy. However, be aware that there may NOT be a need for more bulk if you already are eating enough fruits and vegetables. Additionally, more seeds and grains do not agree with everyone. In some cases, more bulk can actually make the problem WORSE. If you aren't consuming enough fluids, all of the 'stuff' can just form a nice dry mass, sitting there in your colon.
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: heatheronthehill February 11, 2007, 01:02:05 PM
Looking at this list made me wonder...  Some of these herbs are rather surprising and I'm wondering if they just shouldn't be taken excessively.  For example - is it o.k. to use the normal amounts of basil, celery, cinnamon, chervil, parsley, etc... that you would use while cooking? 

What about topically?  Would using aloe on the skin be o.k. even though it shouldn't be taken internally?  Just trying to figure out how strictly one should follow these guidelines...



NOT TO BE USED DURING PREGNANCY, OR IF YOU ARE NURSING:
Alkanet, Aloe, Angelica, Anise, Anise Star, Arnica, Ashwaganda, Barley Grass, Barberry, Basil, Bitter Melon, Black Cohosh, Bladderwrack, Blessed Thistle, Blood Root, Blue Cohosh, Blue Flag, Blue Vervain, Borage, Buckthorn, Buuterbur, California Poppy, Cascara Sagrada, Catnip, Cedar Berry, Celandine, Celery, Chervil, Cinnamon, Club Moss, Comfrey, Coltsfoot, Cubeb, Damiana, Dong Quai, Elecampane, Ephedra, False Unicorn, Fenugreek, Feverfew, Forsythia, Garcinia, Ginger, Golden Seal, Gravel root, Guarana, Guggul Gum, Gymnema, Horehound, Horsetail, Hyssop, Juniper, Kola Nut, Lemongrass, Licorice, Lobelia, Lovage, Lungwort, Mace, Mistletoe, Motherwort, Mugwort, Muira Puama, Myrrh, Neem, Oregon Grape, Osha, Parsley, Partridgeberry, Passionflower, Pennyroyal, Pleurisy, Prickly Ash, Quassia, Red Clover, Rhodiola, Rosemary, Rue, Sage, Sassafras, Sarsaparilla, Senna, Shepherds Purse, Spikenard, Tansy, Turkey Rhubarb, Turmeric, Uva Ursi, Vitex, Watercress, White Sage, Wild Cherry, Wormwood, Yarrow
 

from mountain rose herbs:

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: hollyolly123 February 14, 2007, 06:04:53 PM
Just a comment,  I've been cooking with cinnamon for a long time. It was listed as one of the herbs not to use at Mountain Rose Herbs (neat site, by the way).  Just remember that there are certain strengths of herbs which are concidered medicinal, and certain uses which are probably safe, like making apple cinnamon muffins when you are pregnant.  Of course, the herbs that are known abortificants and the ones that stimulate muscle contractions are ones that I would wholly avoid, especially parsley and asian cucumber, a veggi that is specifically used to stimulate abortion.

Constipation:

I had problems with it really bad during my last pregnancy, and after I gave birth I still felt backed up for a looooong time.  I drank rediculous amounts of water to try to clear it up and plenty of whole grains, soaked and unsoaked, and lots of veggis.  I'm sure these things helped, but not enough.  What finally did it for me was probiotics!  I took two of the Tummy Tune Up Original before each meal for a couple of days, then just took the normal does after that.  Really did the  trick.  Tummy tune up is going to be my friend if I get to be pregnant again!!!!
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: anitalshank March 08, 2007, 09:41:55 AM
 Candida/Pregnancy

Has anyone dealt with yeast during pregnancy?   :D I feel funny asking because I am sure the answer is probably yes!  Well, I have been on a sugar free diet for 3 days, but I am still having some grains.. brown rice, oatmeal, millet, ect.  I haven't had any fruit, but will probably add a piece a day as I'm starting to feel constipated.  
  I wanted to know if Pau D'arco would be safe to drink, or caprillic acid.  I'm trying to up my use of fresh garlic and yogurt.  
  Also, are there any safe methods for treating a vaginal yeast infection during pregnancy, I called my OB's nurse and she was completely unsupportive of any thought of using tea tree oil or yogurt vaginally... she just kept telling me I NEED to use a medical treatment.  So, I gave in to Monistat, but would prefer natural methods in the future.  My last pregnancy, I had 7 infections, so evidently the creams don't help cure anything.  Anyhow, sorry to babble, thanks for listening.  :)
Anita
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: LoveSunflowers May 19, 2007, 04:07:14 AM
I'm posting here because I don't want to get in trouble for starting a new thread.  ;D I've read through the above posts and some say to avoid rosemary during pregnancy in the herb form. I just ordered high vitamin Cod Liver Oil from Green Pastures (recommended by the Weston Price Foundation) and it contains rosemary oil. Would one avoid this if they were pregnant? Just looking for opinions. Does anybody else use this brand while pregnant? I find it it difficult to believe that they would recommend this brand and not mention the caution on Rosemary oil for pregnant and or nursing woman. Thanks!
Jessica
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: SagorFamily1611 May 19, 2007, 05:32:29 AM
Most herb doses are definitely to be monitored, especially during pregnancy.  As far as red raspberry, I have heard things on both ends of the spectrum, and everything in between.  As a rule of thumb, low doses are safer, but since red raspberry has so many benefits, it would be a shame to miss out on them by setting unnecessary limits.  I'd say talk to whoever you trust with your pregnancy care because they know your situation more thoroughly, then do a little responsible reading and make an informed decision based on the advice in combination with what you find.       ~L

According to Dr. Christopher, you cannot overdose on Red Raspberry tea, even while pregnant. If you are taking the pills I don't know... :) Also according to Dr. Christopher and the midwife he has teach their midwifery classes you are supposed to drink as much red raspberry tea as you can throughout your entire pregnancy and do more as you come to time to deliver.
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: Whiterock May 19, 2007, 05:57:16 AM
I'm posting here because I don't want to get in trouble for starting a new thread.  ;D I've read through the above posts and some say to avoid rosemary during pregnancy in the herb form. I just ordered high vitamin Cod Liver Oil from Green Pastures (recommended by the Weston Price Foundation) and it contains rosemary oil. Would one avoid this if they were pregnant? Just looking for opinions. Does anybody else use this brand while pregnant? I find it it difficult to believe that they would recommend this brand and not mention the caution on Rosemary oil for pregnant and or nursing woman. Thanks!
Jessica

I am a member of a NT yahoo group for my area and the pregnant women on the list take this and I've not heard about any problems with it. If I could have afforded to buy it, I would have definitely taken it throughout my last pregnancy.

WR
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: herbs girl May 19, 2007, 06:22:29 AM
Well I think its ok in that sense, because the VERY high quality fish oil supplement formulated by Dr. Raffelock from Pregnancyrecovery.com has rosemary oil in it.  It is in the Before Baby Boost  oils supplement. I emailed Dr. Raffelock and he emailed me back the same day!!  You could ask him about the rosemary oil in that supplement, but it has been clinicly tested  on pregnant women I think? 
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: LoveSunflowers May 19, 2007, 08:44:01 AM
Thanks! I just wanted some opinions with others that have more knowledge about herbs than me. We were given some extra money for a "baby or whatever else you need" gift. We didn't need anything for Jonah really, but I thought it would be great for both of us to take the CLO. I doesn't taste too bad, I just keep burping up Rosemary.  ;)
Jessica
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: diaperswyper May 22, 2007, 06:40:09 AM
    I don't know that this would be called a herb but does anyone know if flax seed oil is safe to take while pregnant?
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: Whiterock May 22, 2007, 06:45:17 AM
Yes, I took it throughout my last pregnancy.
WR
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: diaperswyper May 22, 2007, 06:59:25 AM
    How much did you take?
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: Whiterock May 22, 2007, 07:10:52 AM
1-2 Tablespoons. Because flax seed oil will go rancid extremely fast I took the kind was kept refrigerated and I didn't put it in anything that I wasn't going to eat immediately. It was cinnamon flavored, with no sweeteners, but tasted good enough to take straight off the spoon. I also stirred it into my bowl of oatmeal, and oddly enough, it tasted really good with a milk chaser.

WR
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: mammamaude May 31, 2007, 04:39:31 AM
Can any body tell me if Pau D'Arco and Arnica are safe to take while nursing a baby??

Also, I noticed Goldenseal was on the list for not to take while pregnant...What about nursing?

Thanks
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: PreachersWife June 01, 2007, 08:24:42 PM
Can any body tell me if Pau D'Arco and Arnica are safe to take while nursing a baby??

Also, I noticed Goldenseal was on the list for not to take while pregnant...What about nursing?

Thanks

I think I took 30X (homeopathic) Arnica while nursing, but I don't remember for certain.  (I know, that helps a lot, doesn't it  ::) )  However, I do know that I gave it to my very young son several times.  It is supposed to be safe for all ages.  Maybe someone else will have more information?  At least my post will bump this up for ya!  ;D

I'm not positive about the Goldenseal, either, but I seem to remember my herbalist advising me not to take it internally while nursing.  (She did have me make a Goldenseal/Slippery Elm wash to help with external healing, though.)
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: lotsagirls June 02, 2007, 04:24:28 AM
My midwife told me that I shouldn't take Goldenseal while nursing.  A good alternative is echinacea.  Echinacea is also safe for baby to take, whereas goldenseal is not.

I don't know about arnica though.  I've used it topically, but never internally.

My midwife said that I could take Pau D'Arco while pregnant and nursing.

HTH!
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: joshs_rebekah June 14, 2007, 08:52:11 AM
OK...if I ask my doctor, he will tell me to take Tylonel PM for my recent bouts with lack of sleep, or restless sleep. 

Can anyone point me in the right direction of some good night-time soothing teas I could drink to sleep better at night?  Is chamomile okay?  What about a night time tea from Celestial Seasonings?

I don't think I can handle the next 4 1\2 weeks with little or no sleep!  Any and all thoughts would GREATLY help!

Rebekah
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: snickerdoodle June 14, 2007, 09:00:57 AM
Is chamomile okay?  What about a night time tea from Celestial Seasonings?


Chamomile tea is OK to drink in pregnancy.  A great place to check out what is OK and not OK for pregnancy is the bulk herb store site.  It says at the bottom of each individual herb page.  HTH's!
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: herbalmama June 16, 2007, 02:39:10 PM
I would definitely recommand to anyone Shonda Parkers Naturally Healthy Pregnancy book. This has been the most comprehensive I have found on herb safety during pregnancy and breastfeeding, It actually explains why certain herbs are contraindicated during pregnancy and why some Yes even in the same herb family are okay for the pregnant woman.
Catnip tea is actually quite safe in pregnancy and was recommended to me by both a doctor and a midwife when I was having so many braxton hicks contractions at night that I was starting to dilate too early in my 3rd pregnancy.A cup of hot catnip tea before bedtime almost completely stopped the contractions for at least 6 hours each night ,not to mention it helped me sleep like a woman who wasnt pregnant  :).
ANother example would be goldenseal which should not be taken during pregancy because it can cause contractions but that is its only real side effect for a pregnant woman.So when my water broke and labor would not start two goldenseal capsules every two hours got the contractions rolling at a steady rate.I just made sure not to take for more than 24 hours.
I guess the point I am trying yo make is we should actually research the whys and wherefores of each specific herb during pregnancy including side effects so that we can still be careful for our health and that of our unborn baby but we dont have to limit our acsess to some helpful treatments that might be on someones " do not take during pregnancy" list.
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: mammamaude June 18, 2007, 07:18:52 AM
My midwife told me that I shouldn't take Goldenseal while nursing.  A good alternative is echinacea.  Echinacea is also safe for baby to take, whereas goldenseal is not.

I don't know about arnica though.  I've used it topically, but never internally.

My midwife said that I could take Pau D'Arco while pregnant and nursing.

HTH!

Well, I personally found out why not to take GoldenSeal while nursing--It started to dry up my milk supply!  But the good news is, after a day off of it and plenty of water, my milk returned :D
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: Fallmom June 20, 2007, 09:08:42 AM
I am just 5 weeks pregnant.  I have 4 healthy children, but have had 4 miscarriages each with different causes.  I have been taking natural/herbal supplements for nerotansmitter and adrenal support, as after my last 2 losses, things were really out of whack.  The suppls are mainly consisting of amino acids and some herbs: rosemary, ashwaganda, Rhodiola, mucuna puriens and griffonia seed extract, as well as green tea.  I am doing so well on them, I went off them for a coupole days when I found that I was pregnant and really fell apart emotionally tand physically.  I want to do the best for baby, but need to stay well for my family's sake.  My naturapath is very conservative and suggested going off them, althoug the manufacturer has had woment take them during pregnancy with no problems.  My naturopath said she just doesn't believe in anything except a good multi. during pregnancy.  Any advice/knowledge of herbs listed?
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: happyhomemaker July 12, 2007, 03:01:22 PM
I'm getting ready to order from Swanson Vitamin. I have taken Sambucol's Black Elderberry before while pregnant, but was curious if the following was ok to take during pregnancy. The Swason brand has: black elder flowers  and berries fortified with red raspberry leaves.  I don't want to cheap out on this brand if it's not safe to take while prego. I would appreciate any info asap. Thanks! ;)
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: happyhomemaker July 12, 2007, 03:42:44 PM
Bump! ???
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: westernmama July 12, 2007, 05:17:46 PM
Bump! ???

I looked up these herbs on my list of pregnancy herbs and ones you should not use.  I did not see the black elder flowers listed as being harmful and red raspberry leaves is actually recommended for pregnancy.  I take rrl from about 12 weeks till term.

Hope this helps a little!

Kendra
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: InEverything August 06, 2007, 04:45:39 PM
I am thinking of buying a Kelp supplement and while doing research I found this article about arsenic in Kelp.  
Does anyone have any knowledge about the safety of Kelp?  My guess is this article is just anti-herb propoganda.   :P
If Kelp is safe, does anyone know a good brand that is in capsule form?  I want to take it for low blood pressure.

http://foodconsumer.org/7777/8888/Agri_amp_Environ_41/040812142007_Study_Finds_High_Arsenic_Levels_in_Kelp_Supplements.shtml
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: S Hedderson August 06, 2007, 06:20:57 PM
Hey! Does anyone know "vari-gone" from Nature's Sunshine?  I just bought some today along with a bottle of Butchers Broom(470 mg/capsule) and was told to take 2 of those a day and 2 of the vari-gone a day!! Vari-gone contains 486 mg of butchers broom per capsule.  That sounds like alot to me but I  am pretty new to this whole herb thing!  All that for varicose veins by the way!  I am 25 weeks pregnant and am also taking the super moms from beeyoutiful. Sorry for being so long winded but does anyone know if that would be to much butcher's broom to take or if the vari-gone is safe for pregnancy? 
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: diaperswyper August 07, 2007, 01:43:18 AM
   My midwife said vari-gone is fine during pregnancy, altho i don't know about the xtra butcher's broom.
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: visionarymom August 16, 2007, 07:49:41 AM
About Goldenseal, an herbalist told me today that unborn babies livers cannot process this herb. Sounds like it could cause liver damage. This may also be a contributing factor for not taking it during nursing.

My question is actually about licorice. I've had an upper respiratory infection for about 10 days now, with no real signs of recovery. I've tried 3 different herbal cough remedies, raw garlic and honey, extra vit. C, and even succumbed to otc cough suppressant (for at night, and only took it twice). I can't seem to kick this infection. At 7 1/2 months, my tummy is SOOOOO tired and achy from the coughing. The worst part is everything is super tight and dry every morning. So each day I have to start all over again trying to figure out what to do next.

A friend recommended licorice, but I found out (from the same herbalist) that licorice could be abortive! Has anyone used this in pregnancy? How-to Herb book, The Little Herb Encyclopedia, and Practical Herbalism don't say anything about this that I've found.  Or do any of you have better recommendations for kicking this infection? I would so appreciate any input here.

Visionarymom
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: YoopreMama November 15, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
As I was researching motherwort...

http://www.familyherbalremedies.com/herbs_to_avoid_in_pregnancy.html

Susun Weed’s Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year is a great place to start gathering knowledge about the benefits and cautions around using herbs for health.

On her list of herbs to avoid during pregnancy are:

• Antihistamines like Ma-huang and osha root

• Diuretics like Buchu, Horsetail, and Juniper Berries

• Steroids and herbs containing steroid-like factors: Agave, Ginsing, Licorice, Hops, Sage

Then there are some herbs to use with caution, being aware of the risks:

1. Emmenagogues (especially in the first and last trimester) These are herbs that can help bring on the menstrual cycle:

Angelica, fresh lemon balm leaves, Bethroot, Birthwort, Black Cohosh root, Blue Cohosh root, European Vervain, Ergot fungus, Feverfew plant in flower, ginger root, Hyssop leaves, Liferoot plant in flower, Lovage root, Marijuana female flowers, Mistletoe leaves, Motherwort, Mugwort, Fresh Parsley, Pennyroil plant, Peruvian bark, Rosemary plant in flower, Rue leaves, Saffron stigmas, Sumac Berries, Sweet flag root, Tansy plant in flower, Fresh wood Sorrel plant

2. Common cooking herbs that may encourage miscarriage (avoid during first trimester and use only in small quantities in later pregnancy):

Basil, Caraway seeds, Celery seed, Ginger, fresh Horseradish, Savory, Marjoram, Nutmeg, Rosemary, Saffron. Sage, Parsley, Tarragon, Thyme, Watercress

3. Golden Seal root: stresses liver and kidneys, raises white blood cell count, and can cause uterine contractions.
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: KKLUVSTV December 02, 2007, 07:54:41 PM
Has anyone used slippery elm powder for sore throats or coughs during pregnancy. Search on google gave conflicting answers. No comment regarding slippery elm during pregnancy on bulk herb store.

This is from "Herbal Remedies for Children's Health" by Rosemary Gladstar

Mouth burns (but I used for sore throat)  --- "To make lozenges, mix 1 tablespoon finely ground slippery elm powder, 1 teaspoon honey and little water to make a paste. Roll into a ball, adding more herb if needed, to thicken. If the burn is serious, a tiny drop of peppermint oil can be added (I am choosing not to use oils internally during pregnancy) Suck on the lozenge, using as many as needed until the pain is gone."  Tried one just about cough drop size, and then went to sleep with relief. 

Cough medicine ---- "in a blender mix 1 tablespoon slippery elm, 1 teaspoon cinnammon, 1 cup warm water, and 1 tablespoon honey. Blend well." ?? No input on dosage amount. ??

Thanks for any input on if slippery elm is ok and any dosage you think may be ok for the cough medicine.  I am truly so thankful for your help!!!
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: YoopreMama January 10, 2008, 04:03:21 PM
I've read that slippery elm is safe...I'm taking lozenges of it right now, actually.  I've never seen it on lists of herbs NOT to take... ???
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: morningglory March 02, 2008, 05:08:10 AM
Is cayenne okay for pregnancy?  It wasn't mentioned at all that I can tell in The Naturally Healthy Pregancy or on this thread.  I'm not pregnant, by the way. :)

And Shonda Parker says that Pau D'Arco is not recommended for pregnancy, but she never says why.  Anyone have any thoughts on that? 
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: djsnjones March 02, 2008, 11:53:19 AM
From what I know....

Echinacea is safe for pregnancy and nursing, but goldenseal is not safe for either one.  But one thing to watch for is that many echinacea preparations also have goldenseal in them.

Sage is another one which can make your milk dry up.  We prescribe it for mothers who have lost their babies or have given them up or aren't going to breastfeed.  The main time of the year to watch out for this is around Thanksgiving, if your family tends to use a lot of sage in the turkey stuffing.  :-)

Prune juice or black mission figs are good for constipation.  They used to also make a juice from black mission figs, called "Miss Figgy", which was also good, but I haven't see it for awhile.  Susun Weed's book has some very good ideas.

From what I have heard, the use of yogurt vaginally is a good old stand-by for yeast infections.  You can also use a clove of garlic for yeast or for Beta Strep.

I've heard nothing but good things about raspberry leaf tea during pregnancy, but I recently became aware that some preparations of this tea include nettle, which has diuretic properties, and which could cause high blood pressure and pre-eclampsia.  So I recommend using only the RLT that has only raspberry leaves in it.

Dandelion also has diuretic properties, so it would have the same problems as nettle.

I've read that licorice can also cause high blood pressure.

In addition to the books already mentioned, I like Prescription for Nutritional Healing, by Phyllis Balch.  It has a very good section on herbs.

Joy
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: sweetestday March 02, 2008, 12:14:52 PM
From what I know....

Echinacea is safe for pregnancy and nursing, but goldenseal is not safe for either one.  But one thing to watch for is that many echinacea preparations also have goldenseal in them.

Sage is another one which can make your milk dry up.  We prescribe it for mothers who have lost their babies or have given them up or aren't going to breastfeed.  The main time of the year to watch out for this is around Thanksgiving, if your family tends to use a lot of sage in the turkey stuffing.  :-)

Prune juice or black mission figs are good for constipation.  They used to also make a juice from black mission figs, called "Miss Figgy", which was also good, but I haven't see it for awhile.  Susun Weed's book has some very good ideas.

From what I have heard, the use of yogurt vaginally is a good old stand-by for yeast infections.  You can also use a clove of garlic for yeast or for Beta Strep.

I've heard nothing but good things about raspberry leaf tea during pregnancy, but I recently became aware that some preparations of this tea include nettle, which has diuretic properties, and which could cause high blood pressure and pre-eclampsia.  So I recommend using only the RLT that has only raspberry leaves in it.

Dandelion also has diuretic properties, so it would have the same problems as nettle.

I've read that licorice can also cause high blood pressure.

In addition to the books already mentioned, I like Prescription for Nutritional Healing, by Phyllis Balch.  It has a very good section on herbs.

Joy

Wow, I've always heard that nettles is a great pregnancy herb because of how it helps with the circulatory system, and the healing properties for veins and arteries. Plus the great amount of vitamins and minerals in it. I even go out and harvest my own for my momma teas. Do you have a good source so I can look up more info on it?
 
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: petrimama March 02, 2008, 01:39:17 PM
Bump

I don't have an official answer but I took it throughout the 2nd & 3rd trimesters of my 4th preg without ever thinking it might be unsafe.  I hope it is!    ~L
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: djsnjones March 02, 2008, 01:40:47 PM
Prescription for Nutritional Healing, by Phyllis Balch is where I got the information about nettle and dandelion having diuretic properties.  But I already had known about nettle from somewhere else.

As far as how diuretics cause high blood pressure and edema, you can check the explanation on my website...

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id11.html

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id34.html

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id36.html

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id79.html
(see second example on the list)

Joy  :)
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: sweetestday March 03, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Prescription for Nutritional Healing, by Phyllis Balch is where I got the information about nettle and dandelion having diuretic properties.  But I already had known about nettle from somewhere else.

As far as how diuretics cause high blood pressure and edema, you can check the explanation on my website...

http://home.mindspring.com/~djsnjones/id11.html

http://home.mindspring.com/~djsnjones/id34.html

http://home.mindspring.com/~djsnjones/id36.html

http://home.mindspring.com/~djsnjones/id79.html
(see second example on the list)

Joy  :)
Thanks. Those are interesting pages to read. I think I'll pass them on to my MW.
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: YoopreMama March 13, 2008, 03:28:52 PM
My Practical Herbalism lists nettles as having a diuretic action, and that its "influence in small doses is reliable...for suppression of milk in nursing women".

The whole thing about diuretics in PG now has me wondering about kombucha...
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: djsnjones March 13, 2008, 04:10:04 PM
I don't find that one in the Balch book.  What do you know about it so far?
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: YoopreMama March 13, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
It's that fermented tea that many of us are wild about...it's made w/ a starter like yogurt (plus water, tea and sugar) and can be made w/o caffeinated tea, but I know my favorite is made w/ a white tea that I didn't decaffeinate.  I know I'm not doing it justice w/ this brief explanation.   :-\

There are threads on kombucha here...
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6258.0.html
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3305.0.html
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: snooze May 23, 2008, 01:07:14 PM
I've been taking Mastic Gum for H. Pylori for about 7 weeks now.  It's working great, but there's a possibility that I might be pregnant.  Does anyone know if it's ok to continue.  My naturopathic dr. said it should be fine, but I'm still a little unsure.  Thanks for any comments.
Snooze
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: miamama July 09, 2008, 05:05:08 AM
Are things like tansy and rosemary ok to use in a sachet for camping  while pregnant. They are on the no-no list during pregnancy, but does that just mean internally?  I think I can figure the answer, but I just want to be sure.
Thanks in advance.  :)
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: Julia October 06, 2008, 08:30:21 AM
Any consensus on tea tree oil or lavender oil, used on the skin? Many sites say they are not safe, but you know how some places just declare everything to be unsafe. My big concern would be that they would cause more estrogen production (pregnant with a boy). But at this point I need all the help I can get with a persistent fungal infection.
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: lotsagirls October 06, 2008, 08:48:55 AM
Any consensus on tea tree oil or lavender oil, used on the skin? Many sites say they are not safe, but you know how some places just declare everything to be unsafe. My big concern would be that they would cause more estrogen production (pregnant with a boy). But at this point I need all the help I can get with a persistent fungal infection.

I used tea tree oil to treat a yeasty rash on my thigh while pg with my last at the recommendation of my midwife.  I also took lavender baths almost daily.  And I used it in a massage oil for my back and legs.  My midwife didn't seem to think there were any risks with either of them.  Of course my last 2 were girls.  Not sure what this one is, but I'm still taking lavender baths and using the massage oil.
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: AllinHisTime March 13, 2009, 05:37:11 AM
I am wondering if anyone knows if my baby will get Oregon Grape Root through my breastmilk? 

She is about 24-25lbs and is 11 months old.  She had a clear stuffy nose and congestion/coughing.  I started giving her lobelia, which worked wonders (i love it) and gave great improvement within 24 hours.  She expelled mucous, slept so much better and achieved relief from teething. 

I was always taught by my midwives to take echinacea, garlic and vit c after baby was born if there was an illness in the house because the baby would get just the right amount of echinacea she needed through my milk.  I do not have tincture form of oregon grape root, only capsules.  Her snot has turned greenish now and I read oregon grape root is specific to the green mucous.  I tried giving it to her in juice with little success. 

What do you think? 
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: cpsenter March 16, 2009, 03:54:31 PM
I am not sure if this is the best place to post this question but I knew not to start a new thread.  I have spent so much time on here trying to search for an answer to my question and am not finding it, although I'm sure its here somewhere. 
I am developing a terrible fever blister, huge actually and very painful.  Right under my nose b/c I have been blowing it so much.  In the past I have always put tea tree oil on this but was not sure it is safe to use topically during pregnancy.
I am 6 weeks and since its so early, I was afraid to try it b/c I read somewhere on here that it can raise estrogen levels.  anyone on here have safe results using it during pregnancy?
Also, I am fighting a terrible cold going on 3 days now.  I am taking my regular prenatal vitamins and fish oils and pro biotics and I started taking some extra vit C.  Anyone else have any safe suggestions for fighting a cold.  In the past I would have immediately started taking Berry Well but I was not sure it was safe during pregnancy. 
thanks so much!
 
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: Mamatoto March 16, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
I used undiluted tea tree oil all over my face to prevent acne twice a day every day before, during, and after my pregnancy with no problems.   Also, Mountain Rose Herbs makes no precautions for its use during pregnancy, and they're usually pretty conservative with their precautions.  You might also try globbing on some Eden Salve or Miracle Salve.

I also used Berry Well once or twice during my pregnancy.  I looked up elderberry on Mountain Rose Herbs and it doesn't have any pregnancy precautions, either.  When I had colds my midwife usually had me take echinacea - either one cup or one dropper-full of tincture - every two hours (something about it only lasting in your system that long), drink at least 16 cups of water each day, and have at last one cup of yogurt in addition to my probiotics.  But the thing that I found absolutely the most helpful was doing a garlic poultice on my chest at night for as long as I could stand it - when it started burning, I would just move it to a different chunk of skin.  I could always tell the difference the next morning if I did the poultice or not. 
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: cpsenter March 17, 2009, 02:27:43 AM
thanks so much for your help!  I have eden salve and miracle salve too and didn't even think about using that for a fever blister!
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: Mrs.Visser March 17, 2009, 08:40:10 AM
Does anyone know about taking Hoodia while nursing? I read online that you shouldn't take it while pregnant, but that the only effect while nursing would be appetite suppresion. Mostly for mom, but baby would get a little. My guess would be that if you took it at night when you're not nursing baby (as long as he doesn't eat at all at night because he's sleeping) then your body would filter it so not so much would be in your morning milk. I also read that there were no known bad effects from it. Just wondering what any of you knew!
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: LilyEilis July 04, 2009, 01:48:11 PM
I know this is an old thread, but it looked like the place to post my question and I didn't want to start a new thread for it...

I'm three months pregnant and am rather confused as to whether or not elderberry is safe to take during pregnancy...my midwife didn't know so I did an Internet search on it and got conflicting information.  Several different elderberry caps and syrups said that pregnant/nursing women shouldn't take them, but then both the Bulk Herb Store and More Than Alive said that elderberries were fine to take "before, during or after pregnancy, and nursing".  I have a bottle of Honey Gardens Apitherapy Elderberry Syrup (that, as far as I can tell, is very, very similar to Berry Well) and really want to take it as I have a cough that I haven't been able to shake (which ends up aggravating my morning [all-day!] sickness...not a good cycle).   So...any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thank you so much!
~Jessica
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: Mamatoto July 04, 2009, 05:35:02 PM
Check out response #65.  HTH
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: LilyEilis July 06, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
Thank you, Mamatoto...I must have missed that one!
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: prolifeguyswife September 11, 2009, 06:05:42 AM
Does anyone know what the problem with kola nut berry while nursing would be? I have a really good supplement I want to take that has kola nut berry in it, but I'm nursing my 5-month-old. I really trust the company that makes it, and they say there are only negligible amounts of kola nut berry in the product.

I know that kola nut berry has caffeine, but would a tiny amount of caffeine hurt? What if I took it right after he nursed, so that it would run through my system by the time he nurses again 5 hours later?
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: cpsenter December 10, 2009, 11:47:49 PM
Could someone help me PLEASE!
I am up in the middle of the night and have been on here searching and cannot find this answer.
I am nursing a 5 week old and I have a TERRIBLE sore throat. Normally I would be taking bee immune and vit C every hour but I was not sure about it nursing.
does anyone have any experience taking bee immune while nursing?
is it ok as far as you know?
I have tried contacting Beeyoutiful as well and cannot get an answer.
Please.... anyone?
thanks so much!
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: djsnjones December 11, 2009, 07:26:34 AM
I offer this page of my website.  As far as I know, all of those suggestions are safe for nursing, although the garlic might give the milk an unpleasant taste, so you could either bypass that one, or ease into it to see if she objects....

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id58.html

You could also check with these sources about how much Cold-Eeze is safe during breastfeeding...

http://www.askdrsears.com/

http://www.kellymom.com/

http://www.llli.org/nb.html

http://www.llli.org/llleaderweb/LV/LVJunJul98p43.html

Joy
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: abcathome January 05, 2010, 09:52:06 AM
I know this thread is very old and hasn't been posted to for a while, but I'm needing help. 

I've been having this nasty stuffy nose/drainage thing for a couple months now.  I'm thinking it's what happens to some women while pregnant...just stuffiness.  But with the stuffiness comes the drainage and I simply can't breathe!

I'm 17 weeks pregnant and my OB (I have never used a midwife) has said that Sudafed and Mucinex are okay to take, but the OB we used for our first 2 boys wouldn't let me take Sudafed and a quick-care doc told me a few weeks ago not to take Mucinex.  I've not liked taking the Sudafed with the baby, as I know it can do funky things to heart rate, blood pressure, and slow blood flow to the uterus.  BUT, I need to breathe!  LOL  I'm quite miserable without taking the Sudafed.

So my question is this:  are there any NATURAL herbs/remedies to help relieve the stuffiness?  I have tried doing Vicks tents (like a Netti-Pot) and it doesn't really help.  I have looked at the Bulik Herb Store and on Shonda Parker's website, and just got confused.  LOL 

Any help would be appreciated.
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: djsnjones January 05, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
I would recommend that you look at the links that I posted on Dec. 11, 2009, just above your post.  Specifically, the use of the suggestions on the "Colds and Flu" page that I list there may help you.  If you have any questions about what you see through those links, please feel free to contact me.

I would also suggest that you avoid all NSAIDS.  The info that I have concerning the dangers of using these medications is related primarily to their use while treating the symptoms of the flu, but I'm thinking that if you are using one of them, it may be contributing to your problems as well, even if you are not recovering from the flu.  According to the following articles, these medications seem to increase the amount of fluid in the lungs, so I'm thinking that if you are using one of them, it may be increasing the fluids in the rest of your respiratory system as well.

As I said, these medications apparently increase the amount of fluid in the lungs, which leads to pneumonia, which seems to be one of the main causes of hospitalization and death from the swine flu. So the point is that the deaths that we are seeing are quite likely from treating the fevers inappropriately, rather than from the flu itself....These medications would include aspirin (Excedrin, Bufferin, Bayer), acetaminophen (Tylenol), ibuprofen (Advil, Midol, Motrin, Nuprin, Genpril, Ibu), and naproxen (Aleve).

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/338/jun15_1/b2345

http://www.wddty.com/major-pain-relieving-drug-linked-to-asthma.html

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/606060

Best wishes,
Joy
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: Whiterock January 05, 2010, 10:36:49 AM
abcathome,

Rabbit Tobacco works really well for relieving congestion (and it kills viruses and bacteria). It can be really hard to find for sale, though (it's an old Native American medicine). I have been selling it but I've stopped taking new orders. You might be able to buy some from hi_itsgwen, so pm her and ask if she has any.

Here's some info on Rabbit tobacco (start with this post and read the rest of the thread --it's a fast read)....
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,19973.msg242068.html#msg242068

There are also a couple of links, in that thread, for places you might be able to buy some.

WR
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: herbalmom January 05, 2010, 10:54:12 AM
This really helps with stuffy noses & is safe during pregnancy:

The idea is to snuff salt water up the nose to clean out the sinuses & reduce any possible swelling. The Eustachian tubes are connected to the back of the sinuses-that's where the fluid she is feeling is. If the sinuses are clogged w/goop or swollen the Eustachian tubes can't drain. Try mixing 1/4 teas sea w/1 cup warm water. Pour some into the palm of the hand, plug one nostril & snuff the salt water up the other nostril into the sinuses. Repeat. When you work your way through the gook in the sinuses the salt water ends up in the back of your throat & you spit it out. Repeat on each side several times. She will gag & it is not a pleasent treatment but it works to clear the sinuses. Maybe this will help, I hope it does.

The thread this is quoted from has other methods as well to help clear stuffed sinuses. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: abcathome January 05, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
I would also suggest that you avoid all NSAIDS.  The info that I have concerning the dangers of using these medications is related primarily to their use while treating the symptoms of the flu, but I'm thinking that if you are using one of them, it may be contributing to your problems as well, even if you are not recovering from the flu.  According to the following articles, these medications seem to increase the amount of fluid in the lungs, so I'm thinking that if you are using one of them, it may be increasing the fluids in the rest of your respiratory system as well.

Joy, thanks for that information!  I have been downing Tylenol every 4-5 hours because of the constant headache from all the coughing and sniffing...so this could very well be contributing to my problem.  :(

: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: abcathome January 05, 2010, 11:58:53 AM
abcathome,

You might be able to buy some from hi_itsgwen, so pm her and ask if she has any.

Here's some info on Rabbit tobacco (start with this post and read the rest of the thread --it's a fast read)....
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,19973.msg242068.html#msg242068

WR

WR,

Thanks so much for the links and the helpful information.  WOW.  I'm thoroughly impressed with RT in what I've read.  I'm checking with hi_itsgwen to see if she has any to sell...I tried looking in the Bulk Herb Store to see if they had it, but couldn't find it under any of the different names given for RT and it's varieties.  My OB is very reluctant to giving me anything else and said on the phone this afternoon that Sudafed isn't recommended for me (when just 4 weeks ago they said it was fine for me!!!  Grr....   ??? >:(  )  I'm just looking for relief at this point that is safe. 

I have looked back into the "nasal cleansing" that was mentioned, but my gag reflex is just SO sensitive right now that I'm worried it will make me gag and vomit.  :( 

*sigh*

Thanks (so far) for all the help and replies.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: mommie March 18, 2010, 08:20:34 AM
can you do caprylic acid while pregnant? I've been reading no, but I saw beeyoutiful has it in their anti yeast preggo pack which made me reconsider. I just bought some NOW caprylic acid (which I believe is the same as beeyoutifuls just before being repackaged) for a yeast infection and then just found out I was preggo. Wondering if I can still take it...
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: petersgirl March 18, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
can you do caprylic acid while pregnant? I've been reading no, but I saw beeyoutiful has it in their anti yeast preggo pack which made me reconsider. I just bought some NOW caprylic acid (which I believe is the same as beeyoutifuls just before being repackaged) for a yeast infection and then just found out I was preggo. Wondering if I can still take it...
I took caprylic acid for most of my last pregnancy (the NOW brand) and had no problems.   It really seemed effective in helping with some yeast and now I need to reorder it.   I had had chronic athletes foot for years and it seemed to cure it.   I hope that it is helpful for you!
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: mommie March 18, 2010, 06:09:59 PM
thank you!!
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: morningglory March 22, 2010, 03:42:41 PM
Anybody know if cilantro is okay?  I'm not talking about taking it medicinally, just in pico de gallo or salsa on occasion.  DH likes a BUNCH of cilantro.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: mommie March 22, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
Hm. I eat it all the time!!! So I HOPE so!!! :) I eat my salsa like everyday and I eat it w/ TONS of cilantro in it! :)
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: orcuttranch May 19, 2010, 08:22:28 AM
Any ideas on yarrow root and pregnancy?  I found one or two sites that say not to use it during pregnancy - can be a uterine stimulant.  But then I found a lot of them that don't say anything about avoiding it during pregnancy.  Just wondering if anyone out there knows?
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: YoopreMama May 19, 2010, 03:34:04 PM
NOT TO BE USED DURING PREGNANCY, OR IF YOU ARE NURSING:
Alkanet, Aloe, Angelica, Anise, Anise Star, Arnica, Ashwaganda, Barley Grass, Barberry, Basil, Bitter Melon, Black Cohosh, Bladderwrack, Blessed Thistle, Blood Root, Blue Cohosh, Blue Flag, Blue Vervain, Borage, Buckthorn, Buuterbur, California Poppy, Cascara Sagrada, Catnip, Cedar Berry, Celandine, Celery, Chervil, Cinnamon, Club Moss, Comfrey, Coltsfoot, Cubeb, Damiana, Dong Quai, Elecampane, Ephedra, False Unicorn, Fenugreek, Feverfew, Forsythia, Garcinia, Ginger, Golden Seal, Gravel root, Guarana, Guggul Gum, Gymnema, Horehound, Horsetail, Hyssop, Juniper, Kola Nut, Lemongrass, Licorice, Lobelia, Lovage, Lungwort, Mace, Mistletoe, Motherwort, Mugwort, Muira Puama, Myrrh, Neem, Oregon Grape, Osha, Parsley, Partridgeberry, Passionflower, Pennyroyal, Pleurisy, Prickly Ash, Quassia, Red Clover, Rhodiola, Rosemary, Rue, Sage, Sassafras, Sarsaparilla, Senna, Shepherds Purse, Spikenard, Tansy, Turkey Rhubarb, Turmeric, Uva Ursi, Vitex, Watercress, White Sage, Wild Cherry, Wormwood, Yarrow
 
From Mountain Rose Herbs.
I have not heard much use for Yarrow ROOT (so please do tell how you use it), but this list above mentions it, generally speaking.

It's an astringent...stops bleeding, and is very good for colds.  http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_yarrow.htm tells more.

It is a uterine stimulant, but not sure in what doses--sounds like small doses are OK.  Is there an alternative herb you can use?
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: orcuttranch May 19, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
NOT TO BE USED DURING PREGNANCY, OR IF YOU ARE NURSING:
Alkanet, Aloe, Angelica, Anise, Anise Star, Arnica, Ashwaganda, Barley Grass, Barberry, Basil, Bitter Melon, Black Cohosh, Bladderwrack, Blessed Thistle, Blood Root, Blue Cohosh, Blue Flag, Blue Vervain, Borage, Buckthorn, Buuterbur, California Poppy, Cascara Sagrada, Catnip, Cedar Berry, Celandine, Celery, Chervil, Cinnamon, Club Moss, Comfrey, Coltsfoot, Cubeb, Damiana, Dong Quai, Elecampane, Ephedra, False Unicorn, Fenugreek, Feverfew, Forsythia, Garcinia, Ginger, Golden Seal, Gravel root, Guarana, Guggul Gum, Gymnema, Horehound, Horsetail, Hyssop, Juniper, Kola Nut, Lemongrass, Licorice, Lobelia, Lovage, Lungwort, Mace, Mistletoe, Motherwort, Mugwort, Muira Puama, Myrrh, Neem, Oregon Grape, Osha, Parsley, Partridgeberry, Passionflower, Pennyroyal, Pleurisy, Prickly Ash, Quassia, Red Clover, Rhodiola, Rosemary, Rue, Sage, Sassafras, Sarsaparilla, Senna, Shepherds Purse, Spikenard, Tansy, Turkey Rhubarb, Turmeric, Uva Ursi, Vitex, Watercress, White Sage, Wild Cherry, Wormwood, Yarrow
 
From Mountain Rose Herbs.
I have not heard much use for Yarrow ROOT (so please do tell how you use it), but this list above mentions it, generally speaking.

It's an astringent...stops bleeding, and is very good for colds.  http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_yarrow.htm tells more.

It is a uterine stimulant, but not sure in what doses--sounds like small doses are OK.  Is there an alternative herb you can use?

HAHAHAHAH!  What a dork I am.  I don't use Yarrow root.  In fact, I'm too cheap to use any root so far.  :D   It is a flower.  ;D  Some sites say don't use it at all and other sites say to use it in small amounts.  I had a friend ask me and I don't want to lead her astray.  I think I'll just tell her that it might be safer to not use it until we find out more info on it.
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: herb fever May 20, 2010, 08:46:49 AM
The Botanical Safety Handbook also has yarrow contraindicated in pregnancy. Matt Wood says it shouldn't be taken in large doses during pregnancy, but may be appropriate in small doses.

Hi Yooper,

 I will be tincturing Yarrow root this year. Michael Moore(materia medica cd's) says it is great for toothache.

Hope you are well.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: YoopreMama May 20, 2010, 06:04:20 PM
The Botanical Safety Handbook also has yarrow contraindicated in pregnancy. Matt Wood says it shouldn't be taken in large doses during pregnancy, but may be appropriate in small doses.

Hi Yooper,

 I will be tincturing Yarrow root this year. Michael Moore(materia medica cd's) says it is great for toothache.

Hope you are well.
HI!  ;D

VERY interesting...thanks for sharing!  :-*  All's well here...
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: 4myhoonie July 02, 2010, 09:14:42 AM
does anyone know what the reasoning is behind not using aloe while pregnant or nursing?  hubby is wanting me to use it & i am nursing, off to google it and see.....
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: herbalmom July 02, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
does anyone know what the reasoning is behind not using aloe while pregnant or nursing?  hubby is wanting me to use it & i am nursing, off to google it and see.....

It's a purgative (strong laxative) that's why it's not used while preggo. Might do the same thing to the baby- that's why it's not used while nursing.
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: mommie July 03, 2010, 12:01:40 PM
i thought you COULD do aloe vera while nursing!! is that different then aloe???
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: 4myhoonie July 05, 2010, 05:45:15 PM
i thought you COULD do aloe vera while nursing!! is that different then aloe???

i'm thinking they are the same. 

thanks herbalmom, he really goes fine now, it's me with issues.  :-\
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: floydian July 08, 2010, 11:43:24 PM
I have a friend that wants to know if milk thistle is safe during pregnany.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: Pastorswife2B July 09, 2010, 06:38:15 AM
Yes, in fact my midwife recommends it for some with bad morning sickness.

-H
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: boysmama July 09, 2010, 09:36:52 AM
I've used milk thistle several times, very safe IMO.
: Herbs to heal perineal tears??
: torpesita July 22, 2010, 08:19:07 AM
I am 5 days post partum and looking for ways to speed and assist in the healing of a 2nd degree tear and stitches.Any suggestions on herbs that are safe while breastfeeding? I had thought of Gotu Kola for it's tissue repairing and circulatory benefits, (was thinking of taking it to help get over some vericose veins too) ...i've got quite a bit of swelling too...any insight would be greatly appreciated!
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: boysmama July 22, 2010, 01:43:28 PM
Torpesita,
For information on safe herbs for the perineal tear check these threads that are more specific to your question.
Perineal Tearing from Childbirth (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,679.0.html)

 Episiotomy Care (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,375.0.html) (slightly different than a tear, but healing methods are really the same)

For info on reducing the varicose veins check this thread.
 Vericous [Vericose] Veins: Treatment Options & Pain Relief (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,822.msg248064.html#msg248064)


This thread is for asking questions about the safety of specific herbs, so please ask further questions about each topic in the other threads.
Thanks!
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: boysmama July 22, 2010, 01:50:35 PM
Bumping this question for torpesita....I'm having a vague recollection that it is not, but don't have time to look it up right now. Anyone have time?

Is Gota Kola safe while breastfeeding?
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: nomadicjcfollower October 11, 2011, 02:39:20 PM
Anyone know if you can take Melatonin while BFing? A pharmacist told me it does enter breast milk, but is a low dose harmful to baby? Any other suggests for helping mom sleep while getting up with a baby through the night? I have a hard time falling back asleep and wake easily. I am exhausted!!!
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: kymmy123 November 07, 2011, 04:46:31 AM
Thanks so much for all the info. I am guessing that Spirulina and Kelp should be ok to continue with??? I am going to miss all my teas that I have been drinking from BHS. Suprising that something that can be so good for you can be harmful during pregnancy, but I am glad that I am reading this now being 6 weeks into a pregnancy. Thank you for posting all the info.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: ladyhen November 07, 2011, 07:59:34 AM
Spirulina and kelp are foods and as long as you use them in moderation they are safe while pregnant. 

I don't know what teas you are used to drinking, but Rooibos in one that would be safe to drink while pregnant.   It is very healthy and is even safe for babies.

Look up information on the individual herbs in teas.  Many are labeled to not use while pregnant or b/f as a precaution because they are not proven safe -- rather than there being proof of harm.  Look up why for individual herbs.   
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: kymmy123 November 07, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
Thank you. I will look up each one. There are many websites and lots of info when I quickly looked into it earlier. I drink the stress zapper tea, the pumpkin pie tea, the Dr. Cinnamon tea, and I use the Daily Herbal Boost along with taking spirulina and kelp every day. I will look into each herb individually though. I have a 19 year old, 17 year old, and a 4 and a  1/2 year old. I also had three miscarriages. Two within the last few years and one was 18 years ago. The last pregnancy was ectopic. Just want to do my part and be wise about what I am putting into my body. Love the herbs and would hate to stop using them if I don't have to.   Thank you again.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: prolifeguyswife February 18, 2012, 10:25:37 AM
I'm sorry I posted this on the adrenal thread, too, but I'm feeling desperate. I'm 16 weeks pregnant, is l-theanine safe for adrenal issues and massive anxiety? I also have really bad morning sickness, which I'm shocked hasn't improved yet, so I need to know if l-theanine will cause nausea if it is safe. Thanks
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: DHW February 18, 2012, 07:40:35 PM
It does not look as if there have been human trials on theanine for use during pregnancy, but the rat studies used high doses with no adverse affects according to the livestrong website.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: prolifeguyswife February 19, 2012, 04:01:39 AM
Thanks...so I guess that means I would be experimenting. Bummer, I was hoping that it would be proven safe. I guess I need a really good anti-anxiety remedy, then!
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: prolifeguyswife February 23, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
Does anyone know how you can tell if supplements are safe if they are not tested in humans during pregnancy? I keep hearing great things about L-Theanine, and I'm having pretty severe anxiety that magnesium is not really helping. L-Theanine has been tested in rats, but not humans, so I was wondering if there's a rule of thumb with natural supplements like this? Is there a way to research and figure out if it would be safe? I know it's not an herb, but it's extracted from tea leaves, and it's scientific names are Gamma-ethylamino-L-glutamic acid; derived from Boletus badius and Camellia sinensis.

Thanks, I'm just trying to figure out if there's a way to research this.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: JennieJuneBug March 20, 2012, 11:27:54 AM
My Sister is Breastfeeding her 5 month old. My question is, is Goldenseal safe to take (at least a small amount) while breastfeeding? I did some searches but constantly find different articles that contradict each other. if its safe enough, she was going to take it in a Echinacea/Goldenseal tincture for her cold/sinus infection, that just wont seem to completely go away.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: boysmama March 21, 2012, 07:11:41 AM
I have used it in small amounts while breastfeeding. I would not use it during pregnancy at all.
: Re: Herb Safety [Herbs to Avoid] in Pregnancy and Nursing
: Sewbusy March 21, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
I have used it as well while nursing, both for colds and mastitis.