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Remedies & Therapies => Medicinal Herbs & Oils => : momof4boys October 11, 2006, 03:21:32 AM

: Making Cream/Salve
: momof4boys October 11, 2006, 03:21:32 AM
I was reading on another post about someone making their own creams and salves.  Can anyone post a recipe and how-to directions for them?  I'm interested in just a base to get started and then I could add the ingrediants as needed.

Thanks, Deanna   :)
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: wardermom October 11, 2006, 04:15:18 AM
A base of equal parts olive oil and coconut oil is pretty nice.
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: momof4boys October 11, 2006, 09:38:04 AM
How do you store it?

Deanna
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: WithLoveAndJoy October 11, 2006, 11:30:51 AM
I found this link to three different salve recipes.  I may just have to try this once my Miracle Skin Salve is finished.

http://www.thegardenhelper.com/cgi-bin/ubb/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000064;p=0
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: Simply Kristen July 19, 2007, 06:29:37 AM
Instructional podcast on how to make Salves:
www.backtobasicspodcast.com

under: Salves

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: amazonmama2five July 19, 2007, 06:33:34 AM
I have been listening and am impressed Kristen!  Great job!  Is there a substitute for bees wax?  The MAN has a couple of leads and is trying to procure some for me, but until then............  We also, sadly enough live in a yard with umpteen coconut trees and I can't find coconut oil!  >:(
Thanks
Lisa
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: Simply Kristen July 19, 2007, 06:34:58 AM
Thanks!
She said Vaseline if you can't find anything else. It's just not ideal, but will let you get the herbal properties.
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: LavenderMom July 19, 2007, 06:55:26 AM
I know that a lot of people use vaseline, but I wouldn't do it.  It has too many impurities and chemicals in it and is a known cancer causing agent.  I remember reading specifically about its link to breast cancer.

Beeswax can be found simply by locating some local beekeepers.  You can also buy it online.  If you are going to be making salves and balms, you really need to keep it on hand, so it is worth the trouble to find a supplier.  If you can't find plain beeswax, see if you can find comb honey.  Melt the comb and don't even bother straining it...honey has tons of healing benefits.  Raw honey has been known to treat the most stubborn staph infections.  It makes for a great salve.

You can usually find pure cocoa butter in solid form pretty easily...I think I've even seen it at Wal-mart.

As a last resort, in the old days that used tallow to make salves.  I would only use organic beef tallow.

I sell herbal mixtures for making salves and balms and I include a beeswax tart...pure, unrefined, fragrant beeswax...with each blend.  You can find the blends at my site  www.fromfieldsandgardens.com
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: lotsagirls July 19, 2007, 08:46:01 AM
I just made my first salve yesterday.  I mixed about 4 cups of Extra Virgin Olive Oil with about 170 grams of beeswax.  I put this is the crock pot on low to melt the beeswax.  I then added 1 BIG comfrey leaf, some plantain leaves and some aloe leaves.  I let this "cook" on low for about 3 hours.  Then I strained it and poured it into jars.  This made a big batch...the smallest jars I had on hand were jelly jars and it filled 5 1/2 jars.

I put it on a cut on my arm and the pain and redness disappeared almost immediately.

DH put it on a rash on his arms and this morning the rash was gone.

So far I'm pleased with the results.  The big test is for DH to carry it in his work truck to treat his injuries at work.
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: YoopreMama July 19, 2007, 08:55:00 AM
I just made my first salve yesterday.  I mixed about 4 cups of Extra Virgin Olive Oil with about 170 grams of beeswax.  I put this is the crock pot on low to melt the beeswax.  I then added 1 BIG comfrey leaf, some plantain leaves and some aloe leaves.  I let this "cook" on low for about 3 hours.  Then I strained it and poured it into jars.  This made a big batch...the smallest jars I had on hand were jelly jars and it filled 5 1/2 jars. 
Dawn--Thanks for sharing your method--that's my kind of approach!
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: earthymomof2 July 19, 2007, 09:00:51 AM
We're amazed with the results of our homemade comfrey/olive oil/beeswax/preserved with vitamin E salve.  I've added a few other essential oils to make it an all around replacement for neosporin (I added tea tree oil, peppermint oil, myrrh oil, camphor oil) and it's been just greet.  And its shelf life has been really long.  I think I made it two years ago.  We put in on everything from boo-boos to rashes to burns.

I think I infused the olive oil with the comfrey in a glass jar (may have also added some goldenseal and oregon grape root) over a very low heat (in a waterbath in a small saucepan, keeping it around 130 degrees (no higher) for about 3 or 4 hours.  Strained out the herbs and then melted the beeswax into oil (also in a waterbath....this time the oil was in a pyrex in a saucepan of water over low to medium heat), added liquid vitamin E oil and the essential oils, then poured it into tins.

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: kerimae July 19, 2007, 11:39:56 AM
Would grapeseed oil be a good substitute for olive oil in making these creams?  This oil is high in vitamin E, so I was thinking that would be good to help keep it from going bad.....but I wondered if olive oil had some properties to it that make it a better oil to use? 

Also, would it be better not to cook the herbs in the oil?  That is, how about just letting it sit in the oil for a cold pressing?  Or is the oil more likely to go rancid that way? 

Thanks,
Keri
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: earthymomof2 July 19, 2007, 12:29:55 PM
Yes, you can cold infuse the herbs.  Grapeseed oil is more suited for cold infusing.  Olive oil can take the heat better so it is better for hot infusions.  I've done cold infusions too.  I cover the herbs with the oil and put it in a sunny window for two weeks.  This works great too. 
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: AllinHisTime July 19, 2007, 06:41:04 PM
Question about using coconut oil (the good stuff) in salves............

On the podcast Shoshanna mentioned a thickener would not be needed if coconut oil is used.  Do the herbs keep the coconut oil from becoming liquid in hotter temps?  I'd love to use coconut oil but if it does not hold it's firmness, I will probably go with olive oil and bees wax (found some locally :) yay!!)

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: WithLoveAndJoy July 20, 2007, 01:30:04 AM
Yeah, I live in the south, so I am wondering how the coconut oil would not liquify in the summer in the salve.  Any insights?
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: Simply Kristen July 20, 2007, 03:06:30 AM
You could put the coconut salve in the fridge. That would keep it firm. But, not using a wax WILL make it more slimy on the skin (even in the winter). It melts fast!

But, it's a really easy/fast way to do a salve!
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: AllinHisTime July 20, 2007, 04:04:49 AM
You could put the coconut salve in the fridge. That would keep it firm. But, not using a wax WILL make it more slimy on the skin (even in the winter). It melts fast!

But, it's a really easy/fast way to do a salve!

Thanks, Kristen  ;)  With all the health benefits of coconut oil alone, it's hard to not want to use it!!!

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: healthybratt July 20, 2007, 06:15:11 AM
You could put the coconut salve in the fridge. That would keep it firm. But, not using a wax WILL make it more slimy on the skin (even in the winter). It melts fast!

But, it's a really easy/fast way to do a salve!
the fridge will make it very hard and very difficult to use unless you dilute or mix it another oil.  even with half olive and half coconut, it gets very hard in the fridge, and i have to use a spoon to get it out of the jar. 
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: Simply Kristen July 20, 2007, 07:34:03 AM
You could put the coconut salve in the fridge. That would keep it firm. But, not using a wax WILL make it more slimy on the skin (even in the winter). It melts fast!

But, it's a really easy/fast way to do a salve!
the fridge will make it very hard and very difficult to use unless you dilute or mix it another oil.  even with half olive and half coconut, it gets very hard in the fridge, and i have to use a spoon to get it out of the jar. 

Didn't think about that!
I guess I was just considering how GOOT acted in the fridge. DUH! It has olive oil in it. heheh
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: makingchanges July 20, 2007, 10:53:25 AM
I just made my first salve yesterday.  I mixed about 4 cups of Extra Virgin Olive Oil with about 170 grams of beeswax.  I put this is the crock pot on low to melt the beeswax.  I then added 1 BIG comfrey leaf, some plantain leaves and some aloe leaves.  I let this "cook" on low for about 3 hours.  Then I strained it and poured it into jars.  This made a big batch...the smallest jars I had on hand were jelly jars and it filled 5 1/2 jars.

I put it on a cut on my arm and the pain and redness disappeared almost immediately.

DH put it on a rash on his arms and this morning the rash was gone.

So far I'm pleased with the results.  The big test is for DH to carry it in his work truck to treat his injuries at work.

Where do you get a big comfrey leaf? Also I can't find plaintain anywhere. Any ideas of finding these? Could you use bought dried leaves.

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: lotsagirls July 20, 2007, 11:04:51 AM
I just made my first salve yesterday.  I mixed about 4 cups of Extra Virgin Olive Oil with about 170 grams of beeswax.  I put this is the crock pot on low to melt the beeswax.  I then added 1 BIG comfrey leaf, some plantain leaves and some aloe leaves.  I let this "cook" on low for about 3 hours.  Then I strained it and poured it into jars.  This made a big batch...the smallest jars I had on hand were jelly jars and it filled 5 1/2 jars.

I put it on a cut on my arm and the pain and redness disappeared almost immediately.

DH put it on a rash on his arms and this morning the rash was gone.

So far I'm pleased with the results.  The big test is for DH to carry it in his work truck to treat his injuries at work.

Where do you get a big comfrey leaf? Also I can't find plaintain anywhere. Any ideas of finding these? Could you use bought dried leaves.



I got my comfrey leaf out of my herb garden that DH planted for me this year.  Comfrey is hard to start, so I got roots from Horizon Herbs.  That's actually where I got all of my seeds.  Their prices are reasonable.

Plantain grows everywhere except in my yard.  We live in town and I think all of the spraying that people do affects my lawn.  So I planted it in my herb garden.  But we have found it growing out in the country and picked it there also.

My book says you can use the dried herbs to make salves.  My next batch will probably be with dried.  I just happened to have fresh because I was harvesting my herbs.

HTH!
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: YoopreMama July 20, 2007, 11:11:13 AM
Where do you get a big comfrey leaf? Also I can't find plaintain anywhere. Any ideas of finding these? Could you use bought dried leaves. 
We have comfrey growing along our canal--think it likes being by water, but transplanted some into my yard easily--very easy to grow w/ a bit of root.  Can take over an area, actually.... :o

Plantain is everywhere one you know what to look for--I tried to order it from a company and they insisted I checked my backyard.  Sure enough, I have 2 kinds growing.  :-[ ::) :D Have you checked the plantain thread for pix?
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: mrs_zog August 02, 2007, 07:54:50 AM
Do any of you know if comfrey root will work just as well as comfrey leaf? Would there be any harm in making a hot infusion with comfrey root?

What part of calendula plants ought to be used?

What ratio of olive oil to beeswax has been successful?

I'm allergic to GSE (when I drank a few drops in a glass of water, it gave me a sore throat. Eating grapefruit yields the same result. The homemade cleaner I made with GSE makes my hands blister.) I have heard that vitamin E (oil) can help preserve lotions/salves. Is this true?

A "master herbalist" told me recently that I should be careful about using "weeds" from my yard because they could be crosspollenated with other things. What do you all think of this?

Thanks in advance for your help! This is exciting!
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: Mrs. B August 02, 2007, 08:45:48 AM
Comfrey root should be interchangable with the leaf for an infusion. I do usually use olive oil and use a hot/warm method to infuse.
Calendula flowers are what I usually use.
If I use 6-8 oz oil olive oil I generally put in a loose 1/4 Cup of beeswax and I like this consistency for a salve.
You can use vit E as a preservative.  I usually add this with essential oils for preservation.
I don't honestly know much about the issues of cross-pollination, my personal concern with wildcrafting is pollutants/chemicals and proper identification.  I would personally think that it shouldn't matter too much for what I do wild harvest.
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: mrs_zog August 02, 2007, 01:58:28 PM
Thanks, Mrs. B!

When you say "loose 1/4 cup of beeswax," is your beeswax grated?
How much Vit E would you use per 6-8 oz olive oil?

My gut reaction to this master herbalist's concern for cross-pollenation was "I think you're trying get me to buy your herbs." I didn't say anything out loud though. How does she know if her herbs are not "afflicted" with cross-pollenation? Were they grown in a sterile greenhouse in an artificial environment? I think I'd rather use those that are exposed to the real sun and rain.  ;)
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: Mrs. B August 02, 2007, 02:55:37 PM
My beeswax is essentially a brick of wax so I grate it myself.  If you are using granules I would use a bit less as it would be more tightly packed.
When I do my salves I tend to have the oil and beeswax warming.  In the container/s that the salve will be stored I put whatever essential oils and maybe 5-8 drops of vit E.  My vit e is in a squeeze bottle so it makes it a bit easier, or you could use 2 capsules for the whole 8 oz.
I hope this helps...
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: YoopreMama August 04, 2007, 12:27:53 PM
Just sharing...I have a salve brewing now.  :) I've made them on the stove top before, but this is the 1st time I've done the "crock pot" method.    ;)  I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions to improve my technique/results! 

I filled a quart jar 1/2 way w/ fresh, chopped plantain, comfrey (dried, too), yarrow, lavender, and aloe.  Then I poured olive oil to cover it all, and added ~2 T coconut oil (too hard being in the frig--was in a hurry).  I lidded the jar and placed it on a towel in my crock pot, filled w/ water and set on low.  That was last night.  I plan to stir occasionally and "harvest" in 2 more days.  Then, after straining, maybe add some melted beeswax for firming it up.

Intend for it to be an all-purpose salve...burns, bites, owies...
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: Julia August 05, 2007, 09:55:04 AM
Hi Yooper Mama/Kitty! I've been meaning to post and ask how everyone's salve-making went. I made a similar one to the one you described. I didn't think of adding yarrow, but I added chickweed; rosewater (supposed to soften skin); rosemary, thyme, and Vitamin E (preservatives); and I think a few other things that I had around. I just cooked it in the crockpot till the plantain was crispy, I'd guess you could go longer and it would be fine or better. I think I added the coconut oil and aloe after it cooled a little so I wouldn't destroy any properties. One other thing I added after it cooled - raw honey! I was inspired to do that by the Comfort for the Burned and Wounded book 'cause they had it in the burn salve they described. The aloe got kind of chunky and made it watery.

I made a second batch of salve for diaper ointment which was just a tin of Bag Balm (lanolin) melted down with plantain and comfrey added and then poured back in the tin. But on that one, I also added chamomile, which I will add to all my salves from now on, because it really gives it a nice smell! That plantain doesn't smell all that pleasant and I couldn't get enough lavender or any of the other stuff in it to make it smell nice in the other batch. I think chamomile has some soothing and anti-itch properties, too.

On the smell issue, like I said, I kept adding lavender oil and eucalyptus oil and rosewater to make it smell nice, but the smell never came through. Maybe peppermint or cinnamon oil would work, but I didn't have those.

I've been using it for about 3 months and it's been great! It's the best on bug bites - they just disappear! I brought a small jar while on vacation visiting family and it was great for all manner of owies. The kids ask for it and I believe it really does relieve pain. I haven't noticed any quicker healing but I did notice one sore on my daughter heal over the top before it healed inside. My husband has been putting it on ingrown hairs and he notices that it draws them out and he's normally a skeptic. I used it as a facial moisturizer on vacation and I believed it also had some sunblock properties. We were traveling for a month so it was easier than bringing coconut oil for moisturizer/sunblock. And the best was that my red-haired son got a bad sunburn on his back (that wasn't good) and I didn't have any aloe so I just smeared that on whenever I could. I believe it helped him heal because he only peeled the tiniest bit and he didn't get freckles afterward. Oh yeah, and he got two yellow-jacket stings and it made them stop hurting completely. It was just so nice to have on vacation - I always had this all-purpose herbal solution when I was traveling to people's homes and who didn't even have kids and didn't even have plantain in their nicely manicured yards!

Can you believe I'm posting for the first time in 2 months?! I broke my addiction being on vacation. So I'm a little rusty and rambly. Now that I've posted once I'm afraid I'm going to fall off the wagon, though...
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: YoopreMama August 05, 2007, 10:33:36 AM
Hi Yooper Mama/Kitty!...  I made a similar one to the one you described. I didn't think of adding yarrow, but I added chickweed, rosewater (supposed to soften skin), rosemary, thyme, Vitamin E (preservatives) and I think a few other things that I had around. I just cooked it in the crockpot till the plantain was crispy, I'd guess you could go longer and it would be fine or better. I think I added the coconut oil and aloe after it cooled a little so I wouldn't destroy any properties. One other thing I added after it cooled - raw honey!

I made a second batch of salve for diaper ointment which was just a tin of Bag Balm (lanolin) melted down with plantain and comfrey added and then poured back in the tin. But on that one, I also added chamomile, which I will add to all my salves from now on, because it really gives it a nice smell! That plantain doesn't smell all that pleasant and I couldn't get enough lavender or any of the other stuff in it to make it smell nice in the other batch. I think chamomile has some soothing and anti-itch properties, too.

On the smell issue, like I said, I kept adding lavender oil and eucalyptus oil and rosewater to make it smell nice, but the smell never came through. Maybe peppermint or cinnamon oil would work, but I didn't have those.

I've been using it for about 3 months and it's been great! It's the best on bug bites - they just disappear! I brought a small jar while on vacation visiting family and it was great for all manner of owies. The kids ask for it and I believe it really does relieve pain. I haven't noticed any quicker healing but I did notice one sore on my daughter heal over the top before it healed inside. My husband has been putting it on ingrown hairs and he notices that it draws them out and he's normally a skeptic. I used it as a facial moisturizer on vacation and I believed it also had some sunblock properties. We were traveling for a month so it was easier than bringing coconut oil for moisturizer/sunblock. And the best was that my red-haired son got a bad sunburn on his back (that wasn't good) and I didn't have any aloe so I just smeared that on whenever I could. I believe it helped him heal because he only peeled the tiniest bit and he didn't get freckles afterward. Oh yeah, and he got two yellow-jacket stings and it made them stop hurting completely. It was just so nice to have on vacation - I always had this all-purpose herbal solution when I was traveling to people's homes and who didn't even have kids and didn't even have plantain in their nicely manicured yards!

Can you believe I'm posting for the first time in 2 months?! I broke my addiction being on vacation. So I'm a little rusty and rambly. Now that I've posted once I'm afraid I'm going to fall off the wagon, though...
WELCOME BACK!  :-* I missed you!  :)

Thanks for sharing your salve experience.  Did you put it in a JAR in the crockpot, or just in the crockpot?  The honey and rosewater were neat ideas!  Why thyme?  Chickweed is good for itch--can't believe I forgot that one.   ::)  Chamomile IS soothing, yes...I use an EO of it on my skin sometimes...nicer smell than plantain, too.   :P  Peppermint and cinnamon oil...hmmm...never thought of those for scent and I have them! 

I sure appreciated hearing all of the ways that it worked for you.  How's the final consistency then?  It must not have been refrigerated while traveling then much--the Vitamin E helped preserve it?

Thanks for sharing!  Good luck catching up on things...especially if you read the Chat thread.  We were a bit umm,...industrious? while you were gone... ;)  (identity swapping/stealing, posting of close-ups/weddings, etc...).  Poor HB!   :D
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: mrs_zog August 05, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
I just finished up my first salve since the Salve podcast (Thank you so much, Shoshanna for sharing your method/recipe and Kristen & Hubby for putting it together! And thank you, Mrs. B for answering my other questions!). It turned out much better than my previous 3-4 attempts. Here's what I did:

In a quart jar I put dried herbs:
1 oz comfrey root
1/2 oz plantain leaf
1/4 oz calendula/marigold petals
(approx. 3 Tablespoons each)

I poured in extra virgin olive oil until the herbs were covered. I set the jar on a potholder/hotpad in my two quart crockpot, filled the crockpot with water, set a plastic lid from something else on the mouth of the jar so that heat could escape, turned it on low and left it for three days. I kept adding water so the water level stayed above that of the oil. (We have an "instant hot water dispenser" so it made it easier to keep the temperature constant--if that matters?)

After three days, I poured the mixture through cheesecloth(which I found in the painting section of our local Kroger-owned one-stop-shop.), squeezed out all the oil I could (rubbed in what was left on my hands, wiped off excess with paper towel so I wouldn't have butter oil fingers.), put the strained oil(slightly more than 8 oz.) in a pint jar , and put the pint jar in the crockpot. I grated part of a brick of beeswax and loosely filled a 1/4 cup(approx 1/2 oz by weight). I put the beeswax in the oil. It mostly melted, but I turned the crockpot on high because it looked like it was not going to melt thoroughly. I stirred it with a (new) wooden chopstick. The melting point of beeswax is somewhere around 144 degrees F, if I remember correctly. Eventually it looked all melted and stirred well. Sometime in there toward the "end" I added about 1/2 teaspoon of unrefined shea butter (https://secure.alaffia.com/product.php?productid=16006&cat=249&page=1 (https://secure.alaffia.com/product.php?productid=16006&cat=249&page=1) or http://www.agbangakarite.com/ (http://www.agbangakarite.com/) I ordered a pound through my local HFS(free shipping!).) After I took it out of the crock pot, I added about 6 drops of Vit E. I poured some into some small containers, then left the rest in the jar.

The consistency is nice and smooth. I was surprised how green the herbs made the oil. The real test came in the middle of the night. My body is ridding itself of the latex paint I sprayed dds' bedroom with last week. I didn't think it through that I'm allergic to latex, so now I'm living the consequences. Anyway, my hands are broken out with tiny blisters and for some reason itch virtually uncontrollably in the middle of the night. Last night while they were itching I rubbed on a layer of my fresh salve. The next time I woke up, my hands did not itch!  ;D With my previous attempts at salves, the opposite would have happened(they didn't have herbs infused and had much more beeswax). I have also had just plain olive oil make me blister, so I am really encouraged and excited now.

After I started making this batch, I looked in a "Home Herbal" book I obtained recently. It mentioned that a "cold infusion" jar could be placed in a sunny window or a greenhouse for a couple of weeks. The part about the greenhouse got me to thinking. What about putting such a jar inside a car and take advantage of that heat? I would just have to drive a little smoother so it would stay on the dash.  ;) I wonder if it would get too hot? How do you know when the oil is infused and the herbs are "used up?" How did Shoshanna arrive at three days in a hot/warm water bath? I have since seen/heard other sources say three hours is sufficient.

I hope this is helpful to others. I sure am having fun!  :D
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: YoopreMama August 06, 2007, 02:31:09 AM
I'm so glad it's helping your skin!  I keep sneaking some out of my jar (I'll pull it tonight) and it's really helping w/ pain, redness, and itching. 
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: Mrs. B August 06, 2007, 03:09:56 AM

After I started making this batch, I looked in a "Home Herbal" book I obtained recently. It mentioned that a "cold infusion" jar could be placed in a sunny window or a greenhouse for a couple of weeks. The part about the greenhouse got me to thinking. What about putting such a jar inside a car and take advantage of that heat? I would just have to drive a little smoother so it would stay on the dash.  ;) I wonder if it would get too hot? How do you know when the oil is infused and the herbs are "used up?" How did Shoshanna arrive at three days in a hot/warm water bath? I have since seen/heard other sources say three hours is sufficient.

I hope this is helpful to others. I sure am having fun!  :D

I'm glad your salve-making adventures are going so well!!!
The time variations, I would guess, are related to the amount of heat.  You basically want the herbs to be dark and crispy, however long it takes, so that you extract all of their herbal goodness.
I usually rig up a double boiler-type setup.  I take a glass pyrex bowl and put it over a  simmering pan of water.  I usually give it about 3-4 hours and its done.  I then strain out the herbs add them back to the bowl and melt the beeswax and add any other goodies.
If you do want to do a cold-infusion grapeseed oil is recommended over olive oil due to its antioxidant components.  The car idea seems good, but you might want to be careful if it is really hot where you live.  The idea is almost like that of tincuring with oil....give it a few weeks for the properties of the herb to transfer into the oil.
I'm so glad this worked for you...
kimi
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: Simply Kristen August 06, 2007, 03:14:02 AM
1. It mentioned that a "cold infusion" jar could be placed in a sunny window or a greenhouse for a couple of weeks. The part about the greenhouse got me to thinking. What about putting such a jar inside a car and take advantage of that heat? I would just have to drive a little smoother so it would stay on the dash.  ;) I wonder if it would get too hot? How do you know when the oil is infused and the herbs are "used up?"


2. How did Shoshanna arrive at three days in a hot/warm water bath? I have since seen/heard other sources say three hours is sufficient.

1. I don't know much about infusions....but Shoshanna has said that sun destroys the medicinal properties of herbs very quickly. Heat=good for salves. sun=bad for herbal properties.

2. She said she likes 3 days to make sure all the properties are out of the herb. I imagine a 3-4 hr heating process would be good....but  not as effective as a 3 day low heat.

HTH  :)
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: GraceFaith76 August 06, 2007, 05:00:05 AM
I am about to make a new batch (and new recipe) of salve - has anyone ever tried adding cinnamon powder (or sticks) to their salve?  I know that it is good for a lot of things, but how will it effect the color and smell...in other words would my DH be willing to put in on  :D?
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: Mrs. B August 06, 2007, 06:20:17 AM
I haven't tried adding cinnamon yet, but I do have some cinnamon eo on the way.
If I were, I would probably use sticks not the powder....I think it would be too messy and potentially make it grainy(?).  Let us know how it turns out...I love the cinnamon smell and it is SO good for you. 
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: mrs_zog August 06, 2007, 06:30:16 AM
yeah, I'm going to have to do something different next time to alter the smell. I got into bed last night and DH asked, "Did you put salve on?" me: "yes!" DH: "It smells salve-y. Can you do something about that?" me: "Maybe." Cinnamon sticks sound like a good idea.

Hmm, putting the brewing jar in a cordboard box would be a good way to protect the jar and the herbs in the car. It's not too hot here in the Willamette Valley, Oregon, but inside the car can get pretty warm even with could cover. It would be a fun experiment.

Dark and crispy herbs. Maybe I'll let it go four days in my crockpot double boiler set up next time.
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: Simply Kristen August 06, 2007, 06:38:46 AM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).


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: GraceFaith76 August 06, 2007, 07:22:41 AM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).

Ahhh, to bad, I was kinda getting excited about trying cinnamon  :(.

Thanks for letting us know KristenA - it does make sense!
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: Mrs. B August 06, 2007, 07:27:42 AM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).



Dark and crispy may not have been the best term for what the herbs look like after infusion.  You definitely do not want to burn the herbs as KristinA says.  They have a dried out quality and be dark...I have always thought that they looked crispy to an extent, but are probably more just dried out.  When I set up my double boiler I usually bring the underlying water to a simmer uncovered first, then place the pyrex bowl over top (not touching the water) and then turn the heat down (I have gas) as low as possible.  I have never checked the temp of the oil, but maybe next time I will.  The water below generally stays at a light simmer.  I do this for 3-4 hours usually and have always had good results.  The herbs are NOT charred or gross, they actually appear very much as they do after making a tincture....just used up.
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: Mrs. B August 06, 2007, 07:29:54 AM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).

Ahhh, to bad, I was kinda getting excited about trying cinnamon  :(.

Thanks for letting us know KristenA - it does make sense!
You could still try breaking a cinnamon stick and steeping it... You could also try it in a cold infusion, too.  Also cinnamon eo?
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: Julia August 06, 2007, 08:24:18 AM
Hi Yooper Mama/Kitty!...  I made a similar one to the one you described. I didn't think of adding yarrow, but I added chickweed, rosewater (supposed to soften skin), rosemary, thyme, Vitamin E (preservatives) and I think a few other things that I had around. I just cooked it in the crockpot till the plantain was crispy, I'd guess you could go longer and it would be fine or better. I think I added the coconut oil and aloe after it cooled a little so I wouldn't destroy any properties. One other thing I added after it cooled - raw honey!

I made a second batch of salve for diaper ointment which was just a tin of Bag Balm (lanolin) melted down with plantain and comfrey added and then poured back in the tin. But on that one, I also added chamomile, which I will add to all my salves from now on, because it really gives it a nice smell! That plantain doesn't smell all that pleasant and I couldn't get enough lavender or any of the other stuff in it to make it smell nice in the other batch. I think chamomile has some soothing and anti-itch properties, too.

On the smell issue, like I said, I kept adding lavender oil and eucalyptus oil and rosewater to make it smell nice, but the smell never came through. Maybe peppermint or cinnamon oil would work, but I didn't have those.

I've been using it for about 3 months and it's been great! It's the best on bug bites - they just disappear! I brought a small jar while on vacation visiting family and it was great for all manner of owies. The kids ask for it and I believe it really does relieve pain. I haven't noticed any quicker healing but I did notice one sore on my daughter heal over the top before it healed inside. My husband has been putting it on ingrown hairs and he notices that it draws them out and he's normally a skeptic. I used it as a facial moisturizer on vacation and I believed it also had some sunblock properties. We were traveling for a month so it was easier than bringing coconut oil for moisturizer/sunblock. And the best was that my red-haired son got a bad sunburn on his back (that wasn't good) and I didn't have any aloe so I just smeared that on whenever I could. I believe it helped him heal because he only peeled the tiniest bit and he didn't get freckles afterward. Oh yeah, and he got two yellow-jacket stings and it made them stop hurting completely. It was just so nice to have on vacation - I always had this all-purpose herbal solution when I was traveling to people's homes and who didn't even have kids and didn't even have plantain in their nicely manicured yards!

Can you believe I'm posting for the first time in 2 months?! I broke my addiction being on vacation. So I'm a little rusty and rambly. Now that I've posted once I'm afraid I'm going to fall off the wagon, though...
WELCOME BACK!  :-* I missed you!  :)

Thanks for sharing your salve experience.  Did you put it in a JAR in the crockpot, or just in the crockpot?  The honey and rosewater were neat ideas!  Why thyme?  Chickweed is good for itch--can't believe I forgot that one.   ::)  Chamomile IS soothing, yes...I use an EO of it on my skin sometimes...nicer smell than plantain, too.   :P  Peppermint and cinnamon oil...hmmm...never thought of those for scent and I have them! 

I sure appreciated hearing all of the ways that it worked for you.  How's the final consistency then?  It must not have been refrigerated while traveling then much--the Vitamin E helped preserve it?

Thanks for sharing!  Good luck catching up on things...especially if you read the Chat thread.  We were a bit umm,...industrious? while you were gone... ;)  (identity swapping/stealing, posting of close-ups/weddings, etc...).  Poor HB!   :D

I didn't put it in a jar, just in my little mini-crockpot that I got for a wedding gift and have only used about once a year till now. Why is a jar necessary? I didn't listen to the podcast yet, though, mostly got my info from books and such. The rosemary, thyme, and Vitamin E were all for preservatives. I read to use those in Practical Herbalism I think. I'll go back and re-punctuate that sentence so it makes sense! The thyme gave it kind of a sausage smell, though  ::) :P. I guess it worked because I haven't had it refrigerated and I haven't had any problems. The consistency is kind of like jelly, that's in our 80-some degree house. Softer than I think it's supposed to be, but it's so hot it's hard to tell.

I remembered another thing - my 3 yo got some unknown bites (spider?!) after stepping on some rotten wood. I first tried chewed-up plantain and didn't see much difference but with the salve they were completely gone. Oh, and a bad rug burn she had the other day on her belly has healed significantly healed and "doesn't hurt anymore." FUN! I love experimenting with herbs.

Yes, I noticed the gargantuan chat thread. I don't dare try to catch up and see what you were all doing. I wish I saw some of the photos, though. I was like "Who's this Yooper Kitty character who acts so familiar with everything, she doesn't sound new." Then I clicked on her and saw you had 1500 posts!

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: Mrs. B August 06, 2007, 08:42:32 AM
The mini-crockpot idea sounds good...I had one of those once upon a time, but I think it was abandoned during a move :(
The main thing is that you just don't want the oil to boil...if your crock keeps things at a nice even temp that's not to hot, not to cold then it sound great.
This should be fun... it's about whatever works for you and your family.  If you have to throw something out and start over sometimes--as long as you learned something from the experience then it was worth it!!!
I see the whole salve/soap/tinturing thing as playtime that will have some usefulness to my family so it is not in vain. 
As long as you don't burn down the house or anything, just have fun with it. 
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: YoopreMama August 06, 2007, 09:38:38 AM
Yes, I noticed the gargantuan chat thread. I don't dare try to catch up and see what you were all doing. I wish I saw some of the photos, though. I was like "Who's this Yooper Kitty character who acts so familiar with everything, she doesn't sound new." Then I clicked on her and saw you had 1500 posts!
LOL.  :D  Guilty, as charged.   :-[  ::)  A few of us were contemplating privacy and name changes/photo changes occurred.  At least I didn't go too far from my original name, like SOME people did.   ;)  :D

I may try my Cassia EO in the salve...I hate smelly "planty", too.   >:(

I've had thyme in teas for headaches and didn't like the "sausage" smell either.   :P
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: GraceFaith76 August 06, 2007, 11:48:43 AM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).

Ahhh, to bad, I was kinda getting excited about trying cinnamon :(.

Thanks for letting us know KristenA - it does make sense!
You could still try breaking a cinnamon stick and steeping it... You could also try it in a cold infusion, too.  Also cinnamon eo?

Okay, I think I was confused...Was KristenA saying that cinnamon will burn (be painful)?  What I was thinking was (which I now think is wrong) that cinnamon with its spicyness will burn a wound.  I now think she was talking to Mrs_Zog...am I finally getting it  :P?
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: Mrs. B August 06, 2007, 12:48:06 PM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).

Ahhh, to bad, I was kinda getting excited about trying cinnamon :(.

Thanks for letting us know KristenA - it does make sense!
You could still try breaking a cinnamon stick and steeping it... You could also try it in a cold infusion, too.  Also cinnamon eo?

Okay, I think I was confused...Was KristenA saying that cinnamon will burn (be painful)?  What I was thinking was (which I now think is wrong) that cinnamon with its spicyness will burn a wound.  I now think she was talking to Mrs_Zog...am I finally getting it  :P?
Well this went completely over my head.....sorry for any confusion.  I didn't even think about the potential of it burning topically...I was thinking about the cooking.  :-[
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: YoopreMama August 06, 2007, 12:51:24 PM
For salves (or anything) you don't want the herbs to burn. It loses properties that way also (if it gets too hot).
Ahhh, to bad, I was kinda getting excited about trying cinnamon :( .  Thanks for letting us know KristenA - it does make sense!  
You could still try breaking a cinnamon stick and steeping it... You could also try it in a cold infusion, too.  Also cinnamon eo?  
Okay, I think I was confused...Was KristenA saying that cinnamon will burn (be painful)?  What I was thinking was (which I now think is wrong) that cinnamon with its spicyness will burn a wound.  I now think she was talking to Mrs_Zog...am I finally getting it  :P?
I'm in your corner, too.  :D  I thought she meant temperature-hot, but I do know that cinnamon oil undiluted can burn your skin b/c of its "strength".  Still debating what to do...it's cooling in the jars and wondering about vanilla...
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: Julia August 06, 2007, 01:22:18 PM
I was also thinking the cinnamon may not be such a good idea since it might be hot on the skin. I once made HB's homemade facial cleanser and put too much cinnamon in it, and my face was bright red and burning for about a half-hour after I got out of the shower. Maybe if you are making a salve for frostbite...
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: jessicah August 09, 2007, 07:13:37 AM
I am trying to come up  with a salve recipe for hemorrhoid relief

so far, I have found out about these herbs:

white oat bark
alo vera
chickweed
mullein
marshmellow
wormwood
lobelia
queen of the meadow
comfrey
black walnut

these herbs were all recommended to use externally for hemorrhoids

I never made a salve- any suggestions on how to make it stable so it doesnt need to be refriderated? I planned on using coconut oil and beeswax. Would lavender oil help preserve it and help the hemorrhoids?
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: africamissy August 09, 2007, 07:48:27 AM
I am trying to come up  with a salve recipe for hemorrhoid relief

so far, I have found out about these herbs:

white oat bark
alo vera
chickweed
mullein
marshmellow
wormwood
lobelia
queen of the meadow
comfrey
black walnut

these herbs were all recommended to use externally for hemorrhoids

I never made a salve- any suggestions on how to make it stable so it doesnt need to be refriderated? I planned on using coconut oil and beeswax. Would lavender oil help preserve it and help the hemorrhoids?

I'm curious about this as well (guess why ;) )  I know yarrow & golden seal are also supposed to be good.  I tried applying cooled yarrow/golden seal tea with cotton balls, but I don't think I keep it on long enough.  I would really like a salve so I don't have to lay around with stuff on my bottom.
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: havasmama_05 August 09, 2007, 06:14:48 PM
I've read on this forum about people using propolis in their salves and I know Shoshanna uses it in her Eden Salve. Where do you get it? I know Beeyoutiful carries in in capsule form, but can you get in bulk? Do you just buy the capsules and open a few and pour them in? Thanks!!!
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: GraceFaith76 August 09, 2007, 06:43:29 PM
Great question!  I am making a new batch of salve and using Edens recipe  :o and adding some other stuff to it.  I picked up a 11.4 oz container of "Natural Liquid Extract Propolis" from Organic Bee Farms at The Vitamin Shoppe for a whopping $14.  I was just going to wing it and guess how much to use.  Anyone out there know what we are really suppose to do.  Eden lists Propolis #3 in their ingredient list...if it is in order of quantity used that would get very expensive!  Thanks!

I've read on this forum about people using propolis in their salves and I know Shoshanna uses it in her Eden Salve. Where do you get it? I know Beeyoutiful carries in in capsule form, but can you get in bulk? Do you just buy the capsules and open a few and pour them in? Thanks!!!
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: herbalmom August 09, 2007, 08:15:31 PM
Ingredient listings are in descending order by weight. Eden Salves ingredients are:

Echinacea root, comfrey leaf, propolis, plantain leaf, echinacea purpurea, yarrow flower, rosemary leaf, beeswax, pure olive oil and grapefruit seed extract.

The thing is though, that it just means that there is less propolis by weight than the comfrey leaf & more propolis by weight than the plantain leaf. Since both comfrey leaf & plantain leaf are very light a large amount by volume doesn't weigh very much. Since the propolis is a liquid it weighs more for a smaller volume. That means that the VOLUME of the propolis is going to be a MUCH, MUCH smaller volume than the comfrey leaf & plantain leaf. If you have a scale, weight a tablespoon each of comfrey leaf, plantain leaf & propolis & you will see what I mean. Or if you don't have a scale, try putting a 1/4 of a cup of each (to make the weight difference more noticeable) in 3 separate, but identical containers & compare their weights by holding the containers in your hands. Or if your kids have a balance beam weight scale with their science stuff, use it to compare the weights.

To be honest, & to help everyone that is making this & is trying to stay on a strict budget, from looking at the ingredient list it would be a fantastic salve even without the propolis, IMO. Propolis is good for healing the skin & I haven't tried Eden Salve but I have used similar salves that didn't have propolis & they worked very well.   HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

Great question!  I am making a new batch of salve and using Edens recipe  :o and adding some other stuff to it.  I picked up a 11.4 oz container of "Natural Liquid Extract Propolis" from Organic Bee Farms at The Vitamin Shoppe for a whopping $14.  I was just going to wing it and guess how much to use.  Anyone out there know what we are really suppose to do.  Eden lists Propolis #3 in their ingredient list...if it is in order of quantity used that would get very expensive!  Thanks!

I've read on this forum about people using propolis in their salves and I know Shoshanna uses it in her Eden Salve. Where do you get it? I know Beeyoutiful carries in in capsule form, but can you get in bulk? Do you just buy the capsules and open a few and pour them in? Thanks!!!
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: GraceFaith76 August 10, 2007, 03:20:08 AM
Herbalmom, You are smart!  You must be a homeschool momma  ;D!

My salve is cooled I am going to go and add in some propolis.

Thanks!
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: herbalmom August 10, 2007, 05:03:36 AM
Herbalmom, You are smart!  You must be a homeschool momma  ;D!

My salve is cooled I am going to go and add in some propolis.

Thanks!

I'm not sure how smart I am but I have studied nat medicine for 20+ years. Also, I read TONS of non fiction & have since I was a kid. I'm blessed in that one of my gifts is being able to recall info like this & explain it to others. Glad I could help.   

I am I homeshcool mama  ;D & without a doubt, one of the reasons we decided to homeschool was because most of what I use in every day life was self taught. Any time I need to know something I go & find the books I need (now I use the internet also) to learn it on my own so I wasn't hung up on the whole "only CERTIFIED teachers can teach you something" thing. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Julia August 10, 2007, 06:46:53 AM
Regarding what herbalmom said about being on a budget, maybe raw honey would cost less and have some of the same benefits? Not as many, I guess, but if you're being frugal...
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: Julia August 10, 2007, 06:50:25 AM
Oh, yeah, and as I mentioned earlier, raw honey is in the salve that they use in the book Comfort for the Burned and Wounded.
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: LavenderMom August 10, 2007, 11:40:16 AM
Comb honey is great for salves!  It is usually pretty reasonable, as far as price.  I buy it locally (Michigan) for $4.00 for a 12 ounce container.  You get the wax for firming up the salve and the benefits of the honey, too.  Raw honey is sooooo good for your skin.  We have used just raw honey as a salve and it works great.  Mix it with some cinnamon powder.  Cinnamon is antibiotic, too.  Cinnamon and honey taste great together, as well! 

I have a page with a link on my site for His Healing Honey, medicinal honey blends.
www.fromfieldsandgardens.com

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: kerimae August 10, 2007, 01:32:03 PM
I made a large batch of cream today and it came out great!  Here is how I made it.  You can easily halve the recipe, and in fact, after doing this, I would recommend doing just that.


You need to have two batches of ingredients:  one is the oil mix, the other is the water mix.


1. Oil Mix:  use 2 cups oil of your choice.

What I did:  I used 1 cup of grapeseed oil that I had been infusing three fresh herbs for about three weeks, in three different containers.  I think I could have let it infuse longer, but given the warm temperatures and my limited patience with *stuff* on my counters, three weeks was enough.  You can warm up olive oil (NOT cook/boil) on the stovetop with your herbs for a few hours, or just let herbs sit in grapeseed oil on the counter for a cold infusion (make sure the herbs are submersed and give them a stir every day).   I poured the herb/oil mixture into cheesecloth to strain, squeezing as much out as I could.


For the other cup of oil, I used what I had on hand:  1/4 c. cocoa butter, 1/2 c. apricot kernel oil, 1/4 c. coconut oil. 


2.  Warm up your oils on the stovetop (do NOT cook/boil), and melt in 2 oz of beeswax.  Get it?  1 cup of oil to 1 oz beeswax.  Easy.


3.   Water Mix:  use 2 cups of water/liquid of your choice.

What I did: I got my water mix ready while the oils were warming.  I made a comfrey and St. John’s wort tea earlier (not to drink!), so I used 1 1/2 cups of that.  I used 1/2 cup of aloe juice to make it to 2 cups.  I began using aloe gel but I did not want that fragrance, so opted for the juice instead. 


In the water mix, I used 2 drops of rose otto(not the pure stuff, that is VERY pricey),bergamot and grapefruit essential oils for the uplifting scent, and put in a good squirt of grapefruit seed extract.


Got it so far?  2 cups oil mix with 2 oz beeswax, and 2 cups water mix.  If you want to halve it, it's 1 cup oil mix, 1 oz. beeswax, 1 cup water mix.


4. Pour the warmed oils into your blender and let it cool a few minutes.  Start your blender and while it is running, pour in the water mix.  It will creamify (for lack of a better word) before your eyes.  Mine came out a lovely green color (due to the grapeseed oil, herbs, and aloe).


5.  Pour into your waiting containers.  Let cool and harden.  That’s it!  If you wanted to change the consistency, you could lessen or increase the amount of water mix. 


Mistakes I made (ones that I’m immediately aware of anyway):  using bergamot and grapefruit essential oils; I love the blend, but it can make your skin sensitive to sunlight.  St. John’s wort does the same, and can even make sensitive people break out in a rash.  NOT the effect I’m going after!    ::) Also, next time I would add more essential oils; the scent isn’t quite “there”. 


Lesson learned:  Read up completely on EVERY ingredient first.  I picked herbs that were good for healing cuts, scrapes, burns, and skin inflammation......but obviously wasn’t aware about the sun sensitivity thing.  Here are some things I’ve read, just poking around the internet:  Some herbs have mild antibiotic effects and are astringent.  Comfrey helps firm skin tone and is good for bruises.  Chickweed helps with itching.  St. John’s Wort helps with nerve damage.  Calendula increases blood flow, promotes the production of collagen proteins, and may also help protect the skin from chemicals.  (And get this:  “Results from recent animal and laboratory studies show that calendula may also have some anti-infective properties – particularly against fungal infections and against viruses, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.”  Wow!)  The oil mix I made is high in vitamin E, oleic and linoleic acid, and works to prevent tissue damage and aging while lubricating the skin.  Grapefuit Seed Extract will help to keep my cream fresh, in addition to being a “broad-spectrum natural antibiotic, capable of killing a wide variety of pathogens.”



That being said, I’m very, very pleased with my cream!  It feels great!  I think I’ll call it “Winter Evening Care Cream” so that sunlight is avoided after use. And I think I'll lesson the amount of ingredients I use as well.  It will be fun experimenting, and I know a few guinea pigs around here who will be getting some hand cream real soon!  ;D
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: YoopreMama August 10, 2007, 03:06:04 PM
I'm glad you all reminded me of how good raw honey is on skin...my daughter got a motorcycle burn that blistered up on her leg today and I had picked up some raw honey at the Farm Market today...I put it on my skin, too (eczema)...the only complaint is it is so sticky!  (Duh, I know  ::)).  Do you all put a bandage over honey?
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: enksmom August 10, 2007, 04:28:52 PM
Wow, Kerimae ~

Those are great directions!  I can't wait to get started.  I have so many things I want to make, salve, cream, hair rinse, toothpaste ... not enough time in the day.  Since I am new to this "natural" way of life, how do you figure out how much of the different ingredients you use ... trial & error  ???  I see lots of good ideas, but sometimes there are no actual "amounts" listed.  Anyway, thanks again for the directions!  God bless!
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: Mrs. B August 10, 2007, 05:07:36 PM
Many times it is subjective as to how much of any one herb to use.  I have seen some published recipes that give ratios of herbs to use when mulitple ingredients are needed. 
The rule I try to use is to make sure you use enough oil to cover the herb/s and add more if needed during the process.  The oil may soak into the herbs depending on what herb and in what form it is. 
When I make a recipe, I look at what I want the salve to do and add  I  the main herbs in equal parts .  I then add the minor herbs to kind of round out the formula.  Sometimes it just depends upon what I have on hand that day.
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: smileyface August 23, 2007, 06:57:10 PM
Ok, I've just spent the last couple hours researching all this stuff, looking up herbs and such. I'm planning on making an all purpose salve for things like cuts, bug bites, rashes, etc. that would be good for the whole family. I think I know how I'm going to do it, but I would like to run it by all you wise ladies.  :) I want it to be completely safe for anyone, including babies, pregnant mothers, nursing mothers, etc. And I don't want to worry if one of my kids tries eating it.  ;D I'm picking up some of the herbs tomorrow that I don't have on hand, then plan on making it tomorrow night. I'll use olive oil as my base to warm my herbs in. The main herbs I think I will use are: comfrey, plantain, calendula, and chickweed. And in smaller amounts, I will throw in: St. John's wort, echinacea, rosemary (still haven't figured out why for this, but it's in Eden salve, so must be useful  ???), marshmallow root, yarrow (not sure my health food store has this one though), and burdock root. And I have a honey comb that I plan on draining some of the honey out to use for other things, but there will still be some honey on it. I will melt that in the oil, and add some aloe. So I will have some raw honey and probably some propolis in with the wax.  ??? And I'm also trying to decide between eucalyptus oil or tee trea oil, not sure which would be better?  They both seem to have the same properties, so maybe just smell preference? Oh, and also grapefruit seed extract at the end, if I have enough. (I probably only have a few drops left in the bottle, and don't want to wait to order more)
Ok, I kinda get the feeling I'm going overboard with all the herbs. But I've looked at so many different recipes, and don't want to miss out on any of the benefits of each one.  :-\ Does it look ok, is there anything that could be harmful? Putting it on babies and young children, it's bound to get in mouths, anything in there that could be harmful to children?
Thanks for listening to my rambling.  ;D I just really want this to turn out right.
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: herbalmom August 23, 2007, 09:10:21 PM
Rosemary is a antioxidant & helps keep the oils fresh. It is also a mild antibacterial & antifungal. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: smileyface August 28, 2007, 02:42:17 PM
Ok, one question. When you put the jar of oil in the crockpot water bath, do you put the lid on the jar? Would this cause it to break? Thanks  :)
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: dara August 28, 2007, 05:52:58 PM
smiley- if the herbs are fresh, then you should NOT put the lid on as they contain a lot of water that needs to escape as they are warmed in the oil. If the herbs were dried, you can put the lid on, and it shouldn't break (unless it's one of those odd occasions where it just happens for no apparent reason).
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: YoopreMama August 29, 2007, 02:11:37 AM
smiley- if the herbs are fresh, then you should NOT put the lid on as they contain a lot of water that needs to escape as they are warmed in the oil. If the herbs were dried, you can put the lid on, and it shouldn't break (unless it's one of those odd occasions where it just happens for no apparent reason).
OOPS!  Thanks for letting us know, Dara.  I didn't do that and my salve was a bit runny.  I attributed it to a need for more beeswax, but I bet it's b/c I lidded the brew. 
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: smileyface August 29, 2007, 11:52:40 AM
Ok, sorry for all the questions... But, how hot is the water bath supposed to get? I've got my crockpot turned on low, but I took the lid off because it was causing so much moisture to build up, and the jars don't have the lids on. The herbs I used were all dried, although the plantain wasn't completely dried. I let it sit out for a couple days, so it was pretty dry. So maybe I could cover my jars and then put the lid on the crockpot?  ???  The water is hot, but I can still dip my finger in and not get burned. Does it need to be hotter? I used a whole bottle of olive oil for this, so I really don't want to mess up... ;D  Thanks.
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: Mrs. B August 29, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
The last time I infused an oil I did actually check the temp to see how hot it was.  I don't use the crock pot method, but I rig a double boiler and have the water in the bottom simmering very lightly.  The oil to be infused stayed around 130 degrees.  I let this infuse for 3-4 hours usually, and it may be different at other times as I have never bothered to monitor temp before.
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: BJ_BOBBI_JO August 30, 2007, 04:55:52 PM
I have been enjoying the podcast salve episode and learning from it. I have some questions.

We are on a very limited budget for the rest of the year so I am not able to go out and buy beeswax and olive oil what else could I use or do?.

Can I not add a thickener? Wouldn't that just make it be like a lineament but still as useful in a liquidy way?

How long do these homemade salves last? Or what is their shelf life?

Do homemade salves need refrigerated?


I have been saving glass food jars for just this type of stuff. I'm excited about making some salve.
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: herbalmom August 30, 2007, 07:07:48 PM
As far as the beeswax, my local HFS carries 1 ounce blocks of beeswax for under $2, maybe your local HFS does as well.

You can do an infused oil (which is what you would have if you don't thicken it) & it will help but it is very easy to spill & much harder to control exactly where you apply it. It also will not hold in moisture as well as a salve. Holding in moisture can be soothing & helps keeps scabs from becoming really dry & hard like they get sometimes. 

Olive oil is used because it doesn't go rancid easily & it is thicker than many oils which makes it more soothing. Another reason is that olive oil on it's own is slightly antibacterial & antifungal. Other oils will go rancid easier & if you do thicken them, may require more beeswax. Maybe you can get a small bottle to lower the cost if you do decide to use olive oil- just big enough to make your salve- that would lower the amount you have to spend right now. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: dara August 31, 2007, 05:04:14 AM
OK, sorry for all the questions... But, how hot is the water bath supposed to get? I've got my crockpot turned on low, but I took the lid off because it was causing so much moisture to build up, and the jars don't have the lids on. The herbs I used were all dried, although the plantain wasn't completely dried. I let it sit out for a couple days, so it was pretty dry. So maybe I could cover my jars and then put the lid on the crockpot?    The water is hot, but I can still dip my finger in and not get burned. Does it need to be hotter? I used a whole bottle of olive oil for this, so I really don't want to mess up...   Thanks.

You don't want it to get too hot because it will kill the vitamins and good properties in the infused oil. I set my crockpot only on WARM, not even low, because even low is too hot. If your herbs are dried, you shouldn't be getting any condensation- if you are, it's too hot- make sure the lids are removed in the case of moisture inside- water will grow germs. HTH!
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: Aura September 25, 2007, 08:51:41 AM
I need some help here...I want to make some diaper cream for my dd. She's had a couple of awful diapers and now we have a bad rash.  :-[  I have coconut oil, and that does help, but I was wanting something with a bit more healing properties to it. I'm thinking if it works, I should be able to use it for other skin irritations/scrapes/etc.

I would like to make this today, so anything that takes several days is not going to work. I have read this thread, and I'm sorry but I still have questions...

If take a mixture of herbs and steep it in the coconut oil, how long should I steep it and how hot should it be? I remember Mrs. B said not over 130 degrees for 3-4 hours. Is that true for any herb/oil mixture?

I was thinking of using equal parts of comfrey, chamomile, and plantain because that's what I have on hand that sound like they would work. But how much herbs do I add to the oil? I only have about 2 tbsp left of the comfrey. Also, the containers I use only hold about 4 fl oz. So, if I only want 4 oz of this stuff, how much of the herbs should I use?

I was also thinking of adding some pure lanolin and raw honey...does anyone have any suggestions about how much of that to add?

I figure that by the time this gets done, my dh will be off work and can swing by the HFS and get some GSE to add with it. Then, I should be able to just keep this on the changing table (or diaper bag) and not have to worry about refrigeration, right?

Sorry about so many questions.  :-[
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: queentea September 25, 2007, 10:54:08 AM
We've just moved to 12 acres in the country and I think that 11 are covered with poison ivy.  We have been battling it on everyone.  I've tried smearing jewelweed (also in abudance here), but there isn't much "juice" in it.  I also tried putting it in the blender and then "painting" it on my kids as one web site suggested, but that is a royal pain and they can't stand it. (it doesn't seem to be working either).  I'd really like to make some sort of cream or salve with the jewelweed and maybe plantain.  I've also tried Eden Salve on it and while it releaves some of the itching, it doesn't help it to dry up and go away.  Any ideas on making a cream/salve??
thanks,
Lisa
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: Simply Kristen September 25, 2007, 12:06:42 PM
I put jewelweed and plantain in a food processor with just enough water to help it blend. After it was all smoothly blended, I strained the herbs through a cotton cloth, leaving a thick, dark green liquid. I added aloe gel to help the herbs soak in and soothe the red and aggravated skin. His wife rubbed it all over the exposed area. I sent a small jar home with them to apply until the itch was gone. By the next day there were no blisters or redness, just a little itch between his toes. The second day it was all gone. He is now a true believer in herbs. I don’t know about you, but to me, that’s a WOW.

from:
http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=86&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=295
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: queentea September 25, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
I put jewelweed and plantain in a food processor with just enough water to help it blend. After it was all smoothly blended, I strained the herbs through a cotton cloth, leaving a thick, dark green liquid. I added aloe gel to help the herbs soak in and soothe the red and aggravated skin. His wife rubbed it all over the exposed area. I sent a small jar home with them to apply until the itch was gone. By the next day there were no blisters or redness, just a little itch between his toes. The second day it was all gone. He is now a true believer in herbs. I don’t know about you, but to me, that’s a WOW.

Thanks, I remember that article now.  I did the blender thing, but maybe adding the aloe vera gel will work better in the application.  Painting them with the watery solution then blow drying it just wasn't cutting it!!  I'll give that a try tomorrow. 

Any other ideas??

from:
http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=86&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=295
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: YoopreMama September 25, 2007, 02:21:54 PM
I'd really like to make some sort of cream or salve with the jewelweed and maybe plantain...Lisa

I make ice cubes:
http://altnature.com/jewelweed.htm

Ways to Use Jewelweed
    When you are out in the field and find you have been exposed to poison ivy, oak, or stinging nettle you can reach for the jewelweed plant and slice the stem, then rub its juicy inside on exposed parts. This will promptly ease irritation and usually prevents breakout for most people.

Jewelweed or an infusion made from boiling leaves of Impatiens capensis may be frozen for later use. Brew chopped jewelweed in boiling water until you get a dark orange liquid. Yellow Jewelweed will not yield orange color and may not be effective. Strain the liquid and pour into ice cube trays. When you have a skin rash, rub it with a jewelweed cube and you will be amazed with its healing properties. It will keep in freezer up to a year. You can also preserve the infusion by canning it in a pressure cooker.

Jewelweed does not dry well due to its high moisture and oil content. Do not make alcoholic tinctures from Jewelweed because some people have had a bad reaction using jewelweed with alcohol.
So sorry your new land is full of poison ivy.  :(

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: queentea September 25, 2007, 02:43:28 PM
I'd really like to make some sort of cream or salve with the jewelweed and maybe plantain...Lisa

I make ice cubes:
http://altnature.com/jewelweed.htm

Ways to Use Jewelweed
    When you are out in the field and find you have been exposed to poison ivy, oak, or stinging nettle you can reach for the jewelweed plant and slice the stem, then rub its juicy inside on exposed parts. This will promptly ease irritation and usually prevents breakout for most people.

Jewelweed or an infusion made from boiling leaves of Impatiens capensis may be frozen for later use. Brew chopped jewelweed in boiling water until you get a dark orange liquid. Yellow Jewelweed will not yield orange color and may not be effective. Strain the liquid and pour into ice cube trays. When you have a skin rash, rub it with a jewelweed cube and you will be amazed with its healing properties. It will keep in freezer up to a year. You can also preserve the infusion by canning it in a pressure cooker.

Jewelweed does not dry well due to its high moisture and oil content. Do not make alcoholic tinctures from Jewelweed because some people have had a bad reaction using jewelweed with alcohol.
So sorry your new land is full of poison ivy.  :(



Thanks!  I will give both of these a try!  I guess it is something I must learn to deal with as I don't think we will be getting rid of it any time soon.  about 6 acres of our "dream place" is wooded and with that comes poison ivy!  Thankfully it is not in the yard.  I have now instructed all the kids to wear appropriate clothing and then come in to change and shower.  Getting hubby to do that is something else, so having some remedies on hand is going to be essesial!!
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: Gigi September 25, 2007, 02:54:12 PM
queentea, do you have the Practical Herbalism book by Fritchey?

He tells how to make oil infusions of herbs with olive oil.  You can do it in the crock pot- just be careful that it isn't too hot - I think he outlines the temps in the book.

I have made many salves using jewelweed.  Just make the olive oil infusion as he outlines in the book, then you can process batches of salve with the jewelweed oil and add something that is solid at room temperature, like coconut oil or beeswax.  You'll have to experiment to see the hardness, etc. that you like.  Melt them together at low temps and pour into containers.

I always add some GSE or other preservative (Fritchey outlines several) and my salves always last a couple years at least.


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: havasmama_05 October 09, 2007, 11:24:26 AM
I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. :-[

I'm "cooking" my first salves right now and was wondering about aloe vera. I know it's good to blend in for a cream, but I was wondering if you can use the plant itself or if you should use just the bought gel form. Anyone have any experience with it? Would/could you slice long ways, scrape out the gel and discard the skin? Thanks!
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: Mrs. B October 09, 2007, 02:28:22 PM
I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. :-[

I'm "cooking" my first salves right now and was wondering about aloe vera. I know it's good to blend in for a cream, but I was wondering if you can use the plant itself or if you should use just the bought gel form. Anyone have any experience with it? Would/could you slice long ways, scrape out the gel and discard the skin? Thanks!
I have used it fresh only, but gel should also be good.  I did slice it long ways and scraped the gel from the inside and just used that part.  I have just started making soap, and one of the recipes that I found used aloe vera.  They prepared it by taking the whole leaf/stalk-thing and putting it in a food processor until the whole thing was mush and as liquid as possible.  I might try this next time and see how it works, too.
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: havasmama_05 October 09, 2007, 03:34:16 PM
I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. :-[

I'm "cooking" my first salves right now and was wondering about aloe vera. I know it's good to blend in for a cream, but I was wondering if you can use the plant itself or if you should use just the bought gel form. Anyone have any experience with it? Would/could you slice long ways, scrape out the gel and discard the skin? Thanks!
I have used it fresh only, but gel should also be good.  I did slice it long ways and scraped the gel from the inside and just used that part.  I have just started making soap, and one of the recipes that I found used aloe vera.  They prepared it by taking the whole leaf/stalk-thing and putting it in a food processor until the whole thing was mush and as liquid as possible.  I might try this next time and see how it works, too.

Thanks so much! Good info. It's so nice to have such a great plant so easy to grow right in my kitchen. :)
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: havasmama_05 October 11, 2007, 10:41:50 AM
Yah! I made my first salve & cream today. I followed Shoshanna's directions from the podcast, but I'm not sure of something. She said to use 2-5T of beeswax per cup of EVOO and that using Coconut Oil means you don't need to use beeswax. What if you use both EVOO and CocoOil? I used less beeswax since I did both, but it doesn't seem to be thickening enough. So, should I still use the 2-5T per cup of EVOO as she suggested? Any input?
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: Simply Kristen October 11, 2007, 11:01:22 AM
Is your home hot/warm?
That would make the coconut oil not thicken.

In case anyone was wondering what podcast she was talking about. It's under 'salves':
http://backtobasicspodcast.com/Welcome/Podcast/Podcast.html
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: havasmama_05 October 11, 2007, 11:42:58 AM
Is your home hot/warm?
That would make the coconut oil not thicken.

It's actually cool, in the mid 60's. The CocoOil in the cupboard is thickened ::).  I added more wax to the salve, so I'm hoping that helps. The only thing is that I blended half of it (separate, of course) with fresh aloe vera gel. I'm hoping that heating it up again to melt more wax in it didn't have a bad effect on it. I'd better go check it now. That was a couple hours ago.

In any route, this is the first time and I'm just trying to tweak it right for the next time. So would you do the 2-5 T beeswax per 1 C EVOO regardless of whether or not you also use CocoOil?

Thanks K!
havasmama
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: Mommyof4 October 11, 2007, 01:27:33 PM
I hope I'm not asking a repeat question, but I'm needing a recipe for a drawing salve, anyone have one they like? TIA
Lindsey
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: Mrs. B October 11, 2007, 02:25:06 PM
Is your home hot/warm?
That would make the coconut oil not thicken.

It's actually cool, in the mid 60's. The CocoOil in the cupboard is thickened ::).  I added more wax to the salve, so I'm hoping that helps. The only thing is that I blended half of it (separate, of course) with fresh aloe vera gel. I'm hoping that heating it up again to melt more wax in it didn't have a bad effect on it. I'd better go check it now. That was a couple hours ago.

In any route, this is the first time and I'm just trying to tweak it right for the next time. So would you do the 2-5 T beeswax per 1 C EVOO regardless of whether or not you also use CocoOil?

Thanks K!
havasmama
I always add the beeswax to all kinds of oils just because I am looking for a certain consistency.  You may have some hardening with the coconut oil, but IMO I like it a bit firmer.  Your ratio of beeswax to olive oil sounds good.. I would start low and add 2-3 Tbsp first.... you can then dip a metal spoon in it and put it in the freezer for a few moments... this should be the consistency that you will end up with... if it is not as firm as you would like, add more beeswax and repeat the spoon test.
Good luck.
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: havasmama_05 October 11, 2007, 06:04:18 PM
I always add the beeswax to all kinds of oils just because I am looking for a certain consistency.  You may have some hardening with the coconut oil, but IMO I like it a bit firmer.  Your ratio of beeswax to olive oil sounds good.. I would start low and add 2-3 Tbsp first.... you can then dip a metal spoon in it and put it in the freezer for a few moments... this should be the consistency that you will end up with... if it is not as firm as you would like, add more beeswax and repeat the spoon test.
Good luck.

Thanks! I'll have to try that spoon test. Yeah, I also like a bit firmer consistency too. That way it's not running all over my skin after putting it on.
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: ShannaC October 18, 2007, 01:15:04 PM
Anyone made a salve for respiratory congestion?  I saw a recipe with essential oil of eucalyptus, camphor and wintergreen.  Pine, sage, peppermint and rosemary were also suggested.   What would you guys do?  I read that camphor is not safe during pregnancy...do you think even in this mix to avoid it?  Are these safe for kids/toddlers?
Thanks!
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: ShannaC October 18, 2007, 01:15:48 PM
I meant salve, not save!
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: Gigi October 18, 2007, 01:31:29 PM
I've made a rub with coconut oil and eucalyptus oil.  It doesn't take much Eucalyptus, though, so be careful because I think it could burn pretty bad.  (Sorry I can't remember what proportions I used.)

I got my eucalyptus oil from beeyoutiful and it's great for clearing out noses.  A couple drops in the tub, a few drops on a rag by the pillow, etc.  It's potent!

I don't have any experience with the other oils you mentioned.  And I have no idea about the camphor.

Just make up a small batch with everything but the camphor and see what you think!

I'm sure others will have some more better ideas, too!

HTH
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: healthybratt October 19, 2007, 07:29:36 AM
I meant salve, not save!
You can edit your posts.  ;)
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: GraceFaith76 November 09, 2007, 08:50:33 AM
Two questions  ;D.

Is it common for a salve containing beeswax (beads) to be totally melted then after awhile turn beadie again?  This has happened to both the batches I have made (a year apart).

Do you find your salves that contain olive oil and coconut oil to be staining all your clothes?

Thanks!
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: LoveSunflowers November 09, 2007, 03:51:07 PM
Anyone made a salve for respiratory congestion?  I saw a recipe with essential oil of eucalyptus, camphor and wintergreen.  Pine, sage, peppermint and rosemary were also suggested.   What would you guys do?  I read that camphor is not safe during pregnancy...do you think even in this mix to avoid it?  Are these safe for kids/toddlers?
Thanks!

I haven't made the salve but I just recently used camphor for my son's stuffy nose. He's 14 mos. I just put it on a rag in his crib. I didn't have eucalyptus. It worked well and I like the smell of it. It is strong. I know that there are lots of precautions for the use of camphor in the US but they only EO you can find is white camphor and I don't know if has the same precautions. Hope that makes sense.
Jessica
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: naturalgirl November 25, 2007, 03:12:07 PM
I found some perfect jars for salves that I thought might help others if you all are looking for some:

Shur Fine diced red Pimentos in a 2oz jar.

Ingredients: Pimentos, water and citric acid

Use up the pimentos in your next gravy, and then you have a nice sized jar for any kind of salve.

Funny thing about it is that one red bell pepper is at least three times as expensive as a jar of this pimento stuff here. Convenience was sapposed to be more expensive, right????   Huh. And it doesn't have all those yucky additives in it eather.  I can hardly wait to get a bunch of these jars empty so I can make my first batch of salve. :)
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: abbilynn December 12, 2007, 06:35:05 PM
Okay, I need some help!  ;D  My friend's husband is always having neck problems and it's causing him to have headaches and a sore neck.  The muscles are swollen also.  I wanted to make him a muscle rub with cayenne and comfrey.  Any suggestions?  I thought about doing it the same way I make my other salve, putting the stuff in the oil in the crockpot.  Can you do that with cayenne powder then strain it?  Or would it kill the good stuff?  Any suggestions would be great. 

Thanks!
abbilynn
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: jessicah December 12, 2007, 06:43:30 PM
I would make the bulkherbstores muscle rub recipe with a good carrier oil . It has cayenne in it, plus st.johns and arnica flowers.

I read that skullcap tincture combined with st.johns wort tincture is an excellent muscle/headache/backache pain reliever. I have not tried it yet,though.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: 1ofeach December 13, 2007, 10:46:19 AM
Anyone made a salve for respiratory congestion?  I saw a recipe with essential oil of eucalyptus, camphor and wintergreen.  Pine, sage, peppermint and rosemary were also suggested.   What would you guys do?  I read that camphor is not safe during pregnancy...do you think even in this mix to avoid it?  Are these safe for kids/toddlers?
Thanks!

Where did you buy your camphor? (Hoping you see this, it's so old!)
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: healthybratt December 13, 2007, 10:49:55 AM
Anyone made a salve for respiratory congestion?  I saw a recipe with essential oil of eucalyptus, camphor and wintergreen.  Pine, sage, peppermint and rosemary were also suggested.   What would you guys do?  I read that camphor is not safe during pregnancy...do you think even in this mix to avoid it?  Are these safe for kids/toddlers?
Thanks!
Not me, but Beeyoutiful just came out with one and it smells wonderful.  I've not had a chance to use it yet, but I'm betting my son will sit still for this one as I have trouble getting him to inhale the straight eucalyptus oil.  ;D
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: ShannaC December 13, 2007, 11:13:57 AM
I just realized that baby food jars are great for salves, etc. Great size! 
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: GraceFaith76 December 13, 2007, 01:12:43 PM
Do these things happen you all or is it just something I am doing or using?

Two questions  ;D.

Is it common for a salve containing beeswax (beads) to be totally melted then after awhile turn beadie again?  This has happened to both the batches I have made (a year apart).

Do you find your salves that contain olive oil and coconut oil to be staining all your clothes?

Thanks!
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: miff aka Missi December 13, 2007, 04:41:06 PM
Hello,

No one ever responded...maybe I sounded confrontational or something, sorry if that is the case (I learn that from my dh).  But do these things happen you all or is it just something I am doing or using?

Two questions  ;D.

Is it common for a salve containing beeswax (beads) to be totally melted then after awhile turn beadie again?  This has happened to both the batches I have made (a year apart).

Do you find your salves that contain olive oil and coconut oil to be staining all your clothes?

Thanks!
I haven't had the problem with the salve turning beadie.  I wonder how much beeswax you put in.  I use about 3 tablespoons of wax per 1 cup of liquid.  How much did you use?

Missi
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: TinaKim December 14, 2007, 04:01:23 PM
How long do you "cook" the herbs for in a crockpot? Shoshanna said she cooks hers for 3 days, but other posts say that they heated them for a few hours. If you cook them longer, is that more effective?
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: Mrs. B December 14, 2007, 04:24:48 PM
Hello,

No one ever responded...maybe I sounded confrontational or something, sorry if that is the case (I learn that from my dh). 

Is it common for a salve containing beeswax (beads) to be totally melted then after awhile turn beadie again?  This has happened to both the batches I have made (a year apart).

Do you find your salves that contain olive oil and coconut oil to be staining all your clothes?

Thanks!
I've never used beeswax beads.... I always grate a block of beeswax, but I've not had this issue.
I have not had the issue of salves staining clothes... I use the homemade laundry detergent or Arm and Hammer brand.

How long do you "cook" the herbs for in a crockpot? Shoshanna said she cooks hers for 3 days, but other posts say that they heated them for a few hours. If you cook them longer, is that more effective?
For me it depends upon the herbs and the oil.
If I am using olive or coconut oils I use hot method; I tend to consider cold infusion with other oils.
As far as herbs, I generally prefer to use a double boiler-style method.  I generally do this with most herbs and herb blends that consist of leaves and flowers.  Some herb roots like echinacea, licorice, and marshmallow I still find to be "light" enough and use in this method.  I don't have an actual double boiler so I make one with a saucepan with water and sit a pyrex bowl over the top with the herbs covered with the oil.  I will let the oil and herbs steep for about 3 hours until they look kinda crunchy.
I have used the crockpot method with root herbs, or "heavier" blends.  I have used this specifically for wild yam in the recent past.  I let this cook for 3 days in a covered crockpot with the herbs in a mason jar in a water bath with the crock set on low.
I personally feel that the wild yam and thicker pieces of roots/berries require the extra time to extract their properties and that by using a slower heat method it may be more effective.
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: GraceFaith76 December 15, 2007, 02:53:41 PM
Hi Missi,
Yeah, my first batch I also used 3 tbsp per cup, the batch I made this year I used a little less about 2 tbsp per cup because I used half olive oil half coconut oil, so I figured I would not need as much, it turned out fine - it was nice and smooth for months till it started to get cold and it went beadie again...who knows  :-\.

I haven't had the problem with the salve turning beadie.  I wonder how much beeswax you put in.  I use about 3 tablespoons of wax per 1 cup of liquid.  How much did you use?

Missi

Hello Mrs. B,

I do not know what happened with the beeswax...but I guess the salve works the same  ;) - after I use up my beads maybe I should try shaving some.

For the staining I noticed it when I did a mix of 2/3 salve 1/3 aloe vera, to make a lotion, my sheets were getting all stained (like a oil stain).  I was trying to use it as a lotion for my legs and face, but maybe with the oil in it I should not not due that...although soap is made with oil (that has always puzzled me  ;)).

Thanks for responding I guess since this is not happening to anyone else I must be doing something wrong  ;D (hourly, minutely, secondly).

I've never used beeswax beads.... I always grate a block of beeswax, but I've not had this issue.
I have not had the issue of salves staining clothes... I use the homemade laundry detergent or Arm and Hammer brand.

Thanks for your time,  Robin
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: SarahK December 15, 2007, 03:24:57 PM
I have found beeswax in bulk here

http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com/products.asp?pcode=450 (http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com/products.asp?pcode=450)

and, though I have not used it very much yet, it seems to be really nice.  The Man plans to use it for his bee hive maintenance when we run out of the stuff we have now - but it's seems to be good enough for me for salves and such.  Seems pretty cheap to me - but I'm not a long-time user of wax yet.

Sarah K
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: Gigi December 15, 2007, 03:29:38 PM
Robin,

I've never had the "beady" trouble either.  I have never used the beeswax that starts out beaded, though.  I always have to whack up a large piece with a knife or hacksaw, which is not very easy or convenient!   :D  I don't think it should matter if it is "beady" as far as effectiveness, though.

I have used a salve type stuff for lotion only occasionally, and not usually before bed or anytime when I could notice any staining.  But, I think any kind of oil/lotion/balm will stain things if it is not absorbed beforehand, it wouldn't matter what kind of oils you used. 

Usually out of the shower if I feel extra dry I only use a very tiny amount of something and it is visibly absorbed before long, not sitting on my skin.  Typically for me this is coconut oil by itself.

I think your salve sounds just fine, I would just use a bit less for lotioning and wait to see how it absorbs, to regulate how much to use.

HTH
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: daisey December 19, 2007, 12:32:56 PM
I am wanting to make some body lotion.   Read about a body butter that has Coconut Oil, Aloe Vera Gel, Shea Butter, Jojoba Oil, Mango Butter and Palm Oil.   Can anyone advise me about proportions?????     I don't want to waste anything by having it be to runny or thick.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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: daisey December 23, 2007, 09:32:38 AM
I am wanting to make some body lotion.   Read about a body butter that has Coconut Oil, Aloe Vera Gel, Shea Butter, Jojoba Oil, Mango Butter and Palm Oil.   Can anyone advise me about proportions?????     I don't want to waste anything by having it be to runny or thick.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

I'm bumping this~~~can anyone help????
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: healthybratt December 29, 2007, 07:01:35 AM
I am wanting to make some body lotion.   Read about a body butter that has Coconut Oil, Aloe Vera Gel, Shea Butter, Jojoba Oil, Mango Butter and Palm Oil.   Can anyone advise me about proportions?????     I don't want to waste anything by having it be to runny or thick.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

I'm bumping this~~~can anyone help????
Try this for a reference.

http://www.pinemeadows.net/recipes.php#r2 (http://www.pinemeadows.net/recipes.php#r2)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: daisey December 29, 2007, 09:05:49 AM
I am wanting to make some body lotion.   Read about a body butter that has Coconut Oil, Aloe Vera Gel, Shea Butter, Jojoba Oil, Mango Butter and Palm Oil.   Can anyone advise me about proportions?????     I don't want to waste anything by having it be to runny or thick.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

I'm bumping this~~~can anyone help????
Try this for a reference.

http://www.pinemeadows.net/recipes.php#r2 (http://www.pinemeadows.net/recipes.php#r2)

Thanks HB    Will give it a try.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: joyful_mommy03 December 29, 2007, 11:09:30 AM
Instructional podcast on how to make Salves:
www.backtobasicspodcast.com

under: Salves

Please help the technologically challenged!!  I went to the website and cannot find the Salves heading. At the top of the page it says "Home" and "Podcast" - so I clicked on Podcast and it keeps freezing up my computer, but I still don't see Salves there either.  I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Anyone else had better luck with this and can help me?  I'd sure love to see how to make the salve - I do so much better with visuals!!!  (obviously!!)

Thanks!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: healthybratt December 29, 2007, 11:45:03 AM
Instructional podcast on how to make Salves:
www.backtobasicspodcast.com

under: Salves

Please help the technologically challenged!!  I went to the website and cannot find the Salves heading. At the top of the page it says "Home" and "Podcast" - so I clicked on Podcast and it keeps freezing up my computer, but I still don't see Salves there either.  I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Anyone else had better luck with this and can help me?  I'd sure love to see how to make the salve - I do so much better with visuals!!!  (obviously!!)

Thanks!
Try this link.

http://www.backtobasicspodcast.com/Welcome/Podcast/Podcast.html (http://www.backtobasicspodcast.com/Welcome/Podcast/Podcast.html)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: joyful_mommy03 December 29, 2007, 06:19:53 PM
Instructional podcast on how to make Salves:
www.backtobasicspodcast.com

under: Salves

Please help the technologically challenged!!  I went to the website and cannot find the Salves heading. At the top of the page it says "Home" and "Podcast" - so I clicked on Podcast and it keeps freezing up my computer, but I still don't see Salves there either.  I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Anyone else had better luck with this and can help me?  I'd sure love to see how to make the salve - I do so much better with visuals!!!  (obviously!!)

Thanks!
Try this link.

http://www.backtobasicspodcast.com/Welcome/Podcast/Podcast.html (http://www.backtobasicspodcast.com/Welcome/Podcast/Podcast.html)

Thanks so much HB!!  You're wonderful - as usual!!!   ;D  Obviously I'm technologically challenged - I didn't even realize podcasts weren't visual!!!  heehee!  Oh well - it helped a lot anyway!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: dara December 30, 2007, 04:07:30 PM
For the staining I noticed it when I did a mix of 2/3 salve 1/3 aloe vera, to make a lotion, my sheets were getting all stained (like a oil stain).  I was trying to use it as a lotion for my legs and face, but maybe with the oil in it I should not not due that...although soap is made with oil (that has always puzzled me  ).

Hi Robin...
I'm thinking 2 things- that oil/wax salves don't mix with water based aloe very well, and that it is most likely the wax that is staining things... it simply doesn't wash out (IME)! I think it needs more time to soak in. I just use straight coconut oil on my legs as lotion, and it soaks in a lot more quickly, thus no staining the sheets.
As for soap being made with oil, once the lye is mixed with the oils (lye+water +oils=soap) the oils are CHANGED into soap. They are not the same chemical structure they were before. They are something new. Now the new soap molocules have 2 ends- one that loves water, and one that loves oil. When soap comes in contact with oil, it clings to it, then the water we use to wash with, washes it away as the water loving end joins the stream of water, and the oils are washed away... how's that for a confusing explination?  :D
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: GraceFaith76 January 09, 2008, 12:46:42 PM
Thank you Dara for all the information (wax and soap  ;D)!

I have been thinking  :o... regarding...

Is it common for a salve containing beeswax (beads) to be totally melted then after awhile turn beadie again?  This has happened to both the batches I have made (a year apart).

My salves were 1/2 olive oil 1/2 coconut oil...could the beading have nothing to due with the wax and all to do with the coconut oil turning into its solid state for the winter (beadie because it was mixed with the olive oil)??!!!!???  Is my brain finally working  ;).
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: joyful_mommy03 January 21, 2008, 11:52:23 AM
I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. :-[

I'm "cooking" my first salves right now and was wondering about aloe vera. I know it's good to blend in for a cream, but I was wondering if you can use the plant itself or if you should use just the bought gel form. Anyone have any experience with it? Would/could you slice long ways, scrape out the gel and discard the skin? Thanks!

Any other ideas on the aloe vera addition?

I'd like to make a salve with aloe vera - should I skin it first?  should aloe be added at the very end (after heating) or should it be heated as I melt the beeswax and herbs together?

I'd also like to make a cream out of the salve once it's done.  On the podcast, they said to blend salve with aloe vera - is that bottled aloe gel or natural aloe? if natural, skin on or skin off?  (I'm assuming off since those barbs would hurt if rubbed into the skin.)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: Mrs. B January 21, 2008, 02:09:05 PM
I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. :-[

I'm "cooking" my first salves right now and was wondering about aloe vera. I know it's good to blend in for a cream, but I was wondering if you can use the plant itself or if you should use just the bought gel form. Anyone have any experience with it? Would/could you slice long ways, scrape out the gel and discard the skin? Thanks!

Any other ideas on the aloe vera addition?

I'd like to make a salve with aloe vera - should I skin it first?  should aloe be added at the very end (after heating) or should it be heated as I melt the beeswax and herbs together?

I'd also like to make a cream out of the salve once it's done.  On the podcast, they said to blend salve with aloe vera - is that bottled aloe gel or natural aloe? if natural, skin on or skin off?  (I'm assuming off since those barbs would hurt if rubbed into the skin.)
This is how I've done it:  take a stalk off the plant, slice it long ways in half, and then throw it in the blender and puree it until it is as liquid as you can get it.  I have also tried this in the food processor, but it doesn't work as well IMO.  I add it in just before the beeswax so that it isn't "cooked" for too long.   
I have some pictures of this, only a few, of using aloe in a salve on my blog...
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: joyful_mommy03 January 22, 2008, 05:28:33 AM
Any other ideas on the aloe vera addition?

BUMP!   ;D
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: lotsagirls January 22, 2008, 06:07:18 AM
When I made my salve I melted the beeswax in olive oil in my crock pot.  I then cut up my comfrey leaves, plantain leaves and rough chopped my aloe vera.  I threw everything into the crock pot and cooked on low for three hours. 
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: Julia January 22, 2008, 08:23:45 AM
I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. :-[

I'm "cooking" my first salves right now and was wondering about aloe vera. I know it's good to blend in for a cream, but I was wondering if you can use the plant itself or if you should use just the bought gel form. Anyone have any experience with it? Would/could you slice long ways, scrape out the gel and discard the skin? Thanks!

Any other ideas on the aloe vera addition?

I'd like to make a salve with aloe vera - should I skin it first?  should aloe be added at the very end (after heating) or should it be heated as I melt the beeswax and herbs together?

I'd also like to make a cream out of the salve once it's done.  On the podcast, they said to blend salve with aloe vera - is that bottled aloe gel or natural aloe? if natural, skin on or skin off?  (I'm assuming off since those barbs would hurt if rubbed into the skin.)
This is how I've done it:  take a stalk off the plant, slice it long ways in half, and then throw it in the blender and puree it until it is as liquid as you can get it.  I have also tried this in the food processor, but it doesn't work as well IMO.  I add it in just before the beeswax so that it isn't "cooked" for too long.   
I have some pictures of this, only a few, of using aloe in a salve on my blog...

I did this, too, added the entire aloe leaves. I added probably 6-8 stalks of aloe because my kids had recently broken my plant. I kept it in the fridge for a couple months and then it molded, even though I put a ton of natural preserving herbs in it. I liked my salves without aloe better because they didn't need to be refrigerated and could travel with me if I wanted.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: *MommaJo* January 30, 2008, 09:14:07 AM
YEAH!  I did it!  I made my first cream, salve, lotion stuff! 
I'm so excited.  I didn't know if I should post it on the lotions thread or the salve thread so I'm posting it on both.

Here's what I did....
1/2 c EVOO
Vit. E oil from 5 capsules
1 t Lansinoh Lanolin
4 dried plantain leaves
1 large aloe leaf split and cut into pieces
1/4 c grated beeswax

I put all into a pyrex measuring cup.  Set the cup on my apple corer/slicer in the crock pot and had that about 1/2 full of water.  Turned it on high for a few hours and then low for a few more. 
I did the spoon in the fridge check and it turned out to be solid but still creamy enough to use easily.  I really like the consistancy.

So, that's where I'm at now.  I haven't taken it out of the crock yet because I don't know if I should let it 'cook' for more hours or even days.  It seems like some of you let it go for days..... is that how I should do it?  Then I'll strain it into a glass container.... (right?) :)



: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: havasmama_05 January 30, 2008, 10:04:06 AM
Does anyone have a ratio for grapefruit seed extract drops per oz of salve? I was reading Practical Herbalism and he doesn't give any more info than the fact that you can use GSE for preservation. Thanks!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: havasmama_05 February 08, 2008, 12:15:35 PM
bump, Bump, BUMP!!! ;D

Does anyone have a ratio for grapefruit seed extract drops per oz of salve? I was reading Practical Herbalism and he doesn't give any more info than the fact that you can use GSE for preservation. Thanks!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: healthybratt February 08, 2008, 02:13:21 PM
bump, Bump, BUMP!!! ;D

Does anyone have a ratio for grapefruit seed extract drops per oz of salve? I was reading Practical Herbalism and he doesn't give any more info than the fact that you can use GSE for preservation. Thanks!
Here's one mention of it from the Wild Yam thread.

The coconut and olive oil were of equal amounts initially.  I used olive oil to top it off. 
I did not seal the mason jar, but laid the flat lid on top of the jar without the ring.  The jar sat directly in the crockpot, it was touching the bottom.  This crockpot is a 2 piece one (they may all be this way now) with a ceramic insert sitting in the heating part, so I did feel that it was buffered to a certain degree, but not completely.
I added 4-5 drops of gse per 2 oz, but did not measure the beeswax.  I believe that it was around 1/3-1/2 cup (loosely packed/grated) for 20 oz of oil.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: havasmama_05 February 09, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
bump, Bump, BUMP!!! ;D

Does anyone have a ratio for grapefruit seed extract drops per oz of salve? I was reading Practical Herbalism and he doesn't give any more info than the fact that you can use GSE for preservation. Thanks!
Here's one mention of it from the Wild Yam thread.

The coconut and olive oil were of equal amounts initially.  I used olive oil to top it off. 
I did not seal the mason jar, but laid the flat lid on top of the jar without the ring.  The jar sat directly in the crockpot, it was touching the bottom.  This crockpot is a 2 piece one (they may all be this way now) with a ceramic insert sitting in the heating part, so I did feel that it was buffered to a certain degree, but not completely.
I added 4-5 drops of gse per 2 oz, but did not measure the beeswax.  I believe that it was around 1/3-1/2 cup (loosely packed/grated) for 20 oz of oil.

Thanks HB! We'll see how it works.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: SarahK February 13, 2008, 05:09:48 PM
My experience with a salve I use for diaper rash here:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,924.msg151725.html#msg151725 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,924.msg151725.html#msg151725)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: lotsagirls April 23, 2008, 08:51:44 AM
I have a calendula/aloe salve "cooking" right now to use on ds's hives.  Is there anything else I should add that might help?  GSE?  Vit E?

I am having him apply plain VCO right now, but he still scratches, so I plan on using this where he has scratched himself raw.

TIA!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: Mrs. B April 23, 2008, 09:02:31 AM
I have a calendula/aloe salve "cooking" right now to use on ds's hives.  Is there anything else I should add that might help?  GSE?  Vit E?

I am having him apply plain VCO right now, but he still scratches, so I plan on using this where he has scratched himself raw.

TIA!
I think that every post I've had today has included the word comfrey, but I really think that it's that useful. 
I would probably add some in some lavender eo also.... I would probably use both the vitE and GSE, but would put them in the container you are going to store the salve in first along with the lavender eo and then pour the melted salve over the top of them...
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: lotsagirls April 23, 2008, 09:06:12 AM
I have a calendula/aloe salve "cooking" right now to use on ds's hives.  Is there anything else I should add that might help?  GSE?  Vit E?

I am having him apply plain VCO right now, but he still scratches, so I plan on using this where he has scratched himself raw.

TIA!
I think that every post I've had today has included the word comfrey, but I really think that it's that useful. 
I would probably add some in some lavender eo also.... I would probably use both the vitE and GSE, but would put them in the container you are going to store the salve in first along with the lavender eo and then pour the melted salve over the top of them...

Thanks!

About how much of each would you use?
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: Mrs. B April 23, 2008, 09:14:17 AM
I have a calendula/aloe salve "cooking" right now to use on ds's hives.  Is there anything else I should add that might help?  GSE?  Vit E?

I am having him apply plain VCO right now, but he still scratches, so I plan on using this where he has scratched himself raw.

TIA!
I think that every post I've had today has included the word comfrey, but I really think that it's that useful. 
I would probably add some in some lavender eo also.... I would probably use both the vitE and GSE, but would put them in the container you are going to store the salve in first along with the lavender eo and then pour the melted salve over the top of them...

Thanks!

About how much of each would you use?
For every 2 oz of salve I would use about 3-5 drops of the GSE, 5-8 drops of the Vit E, and anywhere from 3-10 drops of the EO depending upon how strong you want it... 
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: gr8topraise April 27, 2008, 01:35:41 PM
Your ratio of beeswax to olive oil sounds good.. I would start low and add 2-3 Tbsp first.... you can then dip a metal spoon in it and put it in the freezer for a few moments... this should be the consistency that you will end up with... if it is not as firm as you would like, add more beeswax and repeat the spoon test.
Good luck.


I just love this forum!  Mrs. B., I am so thankful for your posts.  I was nervous about making my first salve, and I searched this site and found all of the tips that everyone gave. I had mixed the infused oil and beeswax and was so unsure about the consistency.  Then I came back on WTM to read any tips and saw this one.  It worked so well!  The first spoon test I did, it wasn't thick enough.  So, I just added more beeswax, and did the spoon test again.  It worked!  Oh, and I wanted to say, I was also appreciative that you shared info on how you infused the olive oil and herbs.  I used a Pyrex measuring glass and pan as a double boiler, and that was easy cleanup.  Thanks so much! 
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: joyful_mommy03 May 09, 2008, 08:43:41 AM
I'm planning on buying some beeswax in order to make one of the suggested all-around-first-aid salves.  How much beeswax should I get right off the bat?  I was thinking 5 pounds - but maybe that would take too long to use up or maybe it would be gone with one batch?  There are some other things I'd like to make, so I don't want to buy for just one batch, but I don't want to buy for 100 batches either!!

Also, anything specific I should be watching out for when I purchase the beeswax?  I think I might go with the one from this website beeswaxfrombeekeepers.com  because they seem to be the most reasonable - $15.50 for 2.5 pounds which includes shipping which would be $31 for 5 pounds.  Most other places were $40 and up including shipping.  But maybe this beeswax isn't pure enough or something else that I might not be paying attention to?

What kind of Vitamin E are you using to act as a preservative?  I'm assuming its the gel capsules - just sqeezing the oil into the pot when brewing?

I'm going to start with dried comfrey, dried calendula, dried yarrow flower and some fresh aloe from my backyard.  I'd like to buy some plantain to add, but I'm not sure if I'll get to it.

Thanks for any help!!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: lotsagirls May 09, 2008, 09:07:16 AM
I'm planning on buying some beeswax in order to make one of the suggested all-around-first-aid salves.  How much beeswax should I get right off the bat?  I was thinking 5 pounds - but maybe that would take too long to use up or maybe it would be gone with one batch?  There are some other things I'd like to make, so I don't want to buy for just one batch, but I don't want to buy for 100 batches either!!

Also, anything specific I should be watching out for when I purchase the beeswax?  I think I might go with the one from this website beeswaxfrombeekeepers.com  because they seem to be the most reasonable - $15.50 for 2.5 pounds which includes shipping which would be $31 for 5 pounds.  Most other places were $40 and up including shipping.  But maybe this beeswax isn't pure enough or something else that I might not be paying attention to?

What kind of Vitamin E are you using to act as a preservative?  I'm assuming its the gel capsules - just sqeezing the oil into the pot when brewing?

I'm going to start with dried comfrey, dried calendula, dried yarrow flower and some fresh aloe from my backyard.  I'd like to buy some plantain to add, but I'm not sure if I'll get to it.

Thanks for any help!!

It doesn't take much beeswax per batch...maybe a couple of teaspoons per cup?  I just usually grate some...don't really measure.  I got a huge block of it from a friend of dh's whose has bees and that will last me for years.  And I've made several batches of salve already.

I bought my Vit E oil in a little bottle at the drugstore.  I thought trying to get drops out of the capsules seemed like too much work.

Your ingredients sound great.  You might have plantain in your backyard and not know it...it grows EVERYWHERE!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: joyful_mommy03 May 09, 2008, 09:51:16 AM
Thanks a ton for the input!  Maybe I'll just get the 2.5 pounds for now - seems like that should last a while.

I need to buy some vitE anyway - maybe I'll look at my local health food store for vitE oil without the caps!!   ;D

I don't want to derail the thread - but I have to figure out what plantain looks like!  :)  I'll research other threads for a bit and see if I can't figure it out!  Do you think it grows in humid climates like Florida?  I live iin Central FL - nothing but sand and dying grass in my backyard - well, except for the aloe plant!!  Otherwise, I love bulkherbstore.com and only buy my dried herbs from them!!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: lotsagirls May 09, 2008, 12:12:59 PM
Thanks a ton for the input!  Maybe I'll just get the 2.5 pounds for now - seems like that should last a while.

I need to buy some vitE anyway - maybe I'll look at my local health food store for vitE oil without the caps!!   ;D

I don't want to derail the thread - but I have to figure out what plantain looks like!  :)  I'll research other threads for a bit and see if I can't figure it out!  Do you think it grows in humid climates like Florida?  I live iin Central FL - nothing but sand and dying grass in my backyard - well, except for the aloe plant!!  Otherwise, I love bulkherbstore.com and only buy my dried herbs from them!!

Here's a pic of plantain from SarahLaRae's blog...

http://benandsarahmoorefamily.blogspot.com/2008/05/plantain.html
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: happy2Bhome August 17, 2008, 10:57:12 AM
When you all add propolis, are you referring to propolis extract?  I'm having a reeeeally hard time finding pure propolis (straight from the hive?).  How much are you adding (per cup of oil)?

About how much tea tree oil (or other essential oils) would you add per cup?  I saw someone adding 1 T. per cup.  I don't think I can afford to do that.   :-\
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: daisey August 18, 2008, 10:38:25 AM
I just got some raw propolis from the bee man.    :D    I am planning on making a tincture out of some of it but wondered if anyone has made a salve with propolis and how you did it.   Thanks
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: daisey October 29, 2008, 02:11:39 PM
I just got some raw propolis from the bee man.    :D    I am planning on making a tincture out of some of it but wondered if anyone has made a salve with propolis and how you did it.   Thanks

I'm bumping this to see if I can get an answer????/   Anyone?   :)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: daisey November 11, 2008, 10:51:25 AM
I am still waiting for someone to chime in about bee propolis in salve.   In the meantime I have a really neat success story.     :) 
Someone, sorry I can't remember who, posted their recipe for Boo Boo Salve.   I recently made some, although I did make a few adjustments in the herbs I used.   A friend of my sons came over one day wanting advise for his girlfriend who was suffering with severe eczema/rash.   I gave him some salve to try.   The next day he was back wanting to know how he could make some.   Soooooo---I just want to say a big Thank You to all of you fine people who share your knowledge.   It is such a wonderful thing to be able to help others with natural healthy products.   
On a side note----I have been asked to do a demonstration on herbal tinctures at the yearly Ladies Day Out.   I'm excited to be able to share some of the things I've learned and you can be sure that all my new friends at welltellme will be getting the credit.   Thanks all.    :D
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: havasmama_05 November 11, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
I am still waiting for someone to chime in about bee propolis in salve.   In the meantime I have a really neat success story.     :) 
Someone, sorry I can't remember who, posted their recipe for Boo Boo Salve.   I recently made some, although I did make a few adjustments in the herbs I used.   A friend of my sons came over one day wanting advise for his girlfriend who was suffering with severe eczema/rash.   I gave him some salve to try.   The next day he was back wanting to know how he could make some.   Soooooo---I just want to say a big Thank You to all of you fine people who share your knowledge.   It is such a wonderful thing to be able to help others with natural healthy products.   
On a side note----I have been asked to do a demonstration on herbal tinctures at the yearly Ladies Day Out.   I'm excited to be able to share some of the things I've learned and you can be sure that all my new friends at welltellme will be getting the credit.   Thanks all.    :D

Sorry, I don't have any answer for you propolis question, but I was wondering where you found the boo boo salve ingredients. Or, would you mind posting them again?
Thanks!
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: herbs girl November 02, 2009, 04:26:16 AM
I am planning to  make my own salve using this recipe sometime this Winter, as I love Eden Salve!


All  purpose Green Salve

1 part Comfrey
1 part Plantain
1 part Echinacea (can use 1/2 root and 1/2 tops)
1/2 part yarrow
1/2 part propolis, optional      (add in last step with beeswax)
Lavendar essential oil 9 drops/ 4 oz
Rosemary essential oil 9 drops/ 4 oz
Grapefruit seed extract 14 drops/ 4 oz




Heal n' Soothe Miricle

1 part comfrey
1 part plantain
1 part calendula
1/2 part propolis , optional    (add in last step with beeswax)
Lavendar essential oil 9 drops/ 4 oz
Rosemary essential oil 9 drops/ 4 oz
Grapefruit seed extract 14 drops/ 4 oz






: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: daisey November 04, 2009, 06:01:25 AM
Sorry I missed that request for the BooBoo Salve ingredients..........
2 parts comfrey, 1 part Echinacea, 1 part plantain, 1 part mullein, 0.5 part lavender, 1 part yarrow, olive oil to cover, bees wax (I use about 1/3 cup for 8-10 oz of olive oil), tea tree oil (4 drops), grapefruit seed extract (6 drops), Lavender essential oil (5 drops), Vitamin E oil (3 drops)
I apologize to whoever it was that first posted this recipe...............I can't remember who it was and don't want to take credit for this fine salve. 
I have tweaked my recipe and changed some of the herbs to suit my needs but these are the base and it really works wonderfully.   
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: Mrs. B November 04, 2009, 09:19:54 AM
HerbsGirl...
I guess I would ask myself why do I want to include that much echinacea.  I don't think it is necessarily too much, but if you are looking at a salve to primarily heal cuts, bruises and the like I might consider other options.  If you are looking to use the salve as a carrier for herbs as more of a systemic remedy that might be used in place of tinctures and rubbed on the bottom of the feet or on the chest during illness for kids, it might be more appropriate.
And thanks Daisy... I believe the it is mine... ::)  It really is a wonderful salve, and I don't leave home without it....
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: herbs girl November 04, 2009, 10:31:09 AM
Eden salve worked so good for my little boy's 2nd  degree burn( could have been as bad as 3rd degree in some spots)  One of the first things on the list for Eden Salve is Echinacea.  According to Steven Buhner in Herbal Antibiotics it is one of the best herbs for healing wounds, ect.  I adaped the recipe a bit. Maybe it is way too much still!  I will have to try and see how it works
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: Mrs. B November 04, 2009, 10:36:51 AM
Eden salve worked so good for my little boy's 2nd  degree burn( could have been as bad as 3rd degree in some spots)  One of the first things on the list for Eden Salve is Echinacea.  According to Steven Buhner in Herbal Antibiotics it is one of the best herbs for healing wounds, ect.  I adaped the recipe a bit. Maybe it is way too much still!  I will have to try and see how it works
It sounds like you are wanting a really strong healer.... I guess when I think BooBoo it's for littler things.  I don't think it sounds like too much if this is what you are wanting to accomplish.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: IowaDove June 25, 2011, 08:50:11 AM
I made some salve last week and it smells horrible! Does salve normally smell bad? I was so excited about making my own, but was not prepared at all for the smell! I can hardly use it, it makes me want to throw up everytime I get it out  :'(
My husband says it doesn't smell that bad, but I think he is just too sweet and wonderful to complain  :-*   :)
Here is what I put in it:
Olive oil, Plantain, Garlic cloves, Aloe leaf, Lavendar oil, and Tea Tree oil. I put it in a jar and then in a crockpot filled with water, covered and heated on low for 3 days. After 3 days I heated Beeswax, mixed in the oil, added some drops of Vitamin E oil and let it set up. Did I do anything wrong? Is it the combination of herbs that made it smell bad? I really don't want to waste it if it's good, any thoughts?
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: HOMEFree March 20, 2012, 08:24:40 AM
I made some salve last week and it smells horrible! Does salve normally smell bad? I was so excited about making my own, but was not prepared at all for the smell! I can hardly use it, it makes me want to throw up everytime I get it out  :'(
My husband says it doesn't smell that bad, but I think he is just too sweet and wonderful to complain  :-*   :)
Here is what I put in it:
Olive oil, Plantain, Garlic cloves, Aloe leaf, Lavendar oil, and Tea Tree oil. I put it in a jar and then in a crockpot filled with water, covered and heated on low for 3 days. After 3 days I heated Beeswax, mixed in the oil, added some drops of Vitamin E oil and let it set up. Did I do anything wrong? Is it the combination of herbs that made it smell bad? I really don't want to waste it if it's good, any thoughts?

The garlic is the issue. Calendula or Comfrey would be better options and smell a whole lot better.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: IowaDove March 31, 2012, 06:25:20 AM
Thank you, I did remake a batch without garlic, and though it doesn't smell as bad, it doesn't smell good either. But it is bearable. I didn't have any calendula, but I did use comfrey, plantain, and aloe. So maybe I just need to get used to the herby smell.  :)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: healthybratt April 04, 2012, 03:49:45 AM
I made some salve last week and it smells horrible! Does salve normally smell bad? I was so excited about making my own, but was not prepared at all for the smell! I can hardly use it, it makes me want to throw up everytime I get it out  :'(
My husband says it doesn't smell that bad, but I think he is just too sweet and wonderful to complain  :-*   :)
Here is what I put in it:
Olive oil, Plantain, Garlic cloves, Aloe leaf, Lavendar oil, and Tea Tree oil. I put it in a jar and then in a crockpot filled with water, covered and heated on low for 3 days. After 3 days I heated Beeswax, mixed in the oil, added some drops of Vitamin E oil and let it set up. Did I do anything wrong? Is it the combination of herbs that made it smell bad? I really don't want to waste it if it's good, any thoughts?
Lavender Oil is very powerful.  Any more than a few drops might taint the smell.  Garlic is very powerful, I'm sure this has something to do with it.  I made some plantain salve and it smells fine, but I did not add any of these two ingredients.  No Tea Tree in mine either but I think this would just make it smell antiseptic by itself.  Plantain has virtually no smell (grassy).  If you burnt it, it could change the smell.  Maybe you should try something less complicated and see if you get the same results.  Maybe just plantain and oil.  Add essential oils after you decide that it's ok.  Leave out the garlic.

I'm not sure why you added the garlic anyway.  It's not very potent as a healing agent after it's been cooked.  It's at it's best when raw and within the first 10 to 15 minutes of being peeled and broken open.
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: IowaDove April 06, 2012, 10:50:38 AM
Yeah I think I got a little overexcited with all my ingredients LOL I made a much less complicated version and it turned out well. Thank you for the responses  :)
: Re: Making Cream/Salve
: cre8tiv October 23, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Yeah, I live in the south, so I am wondering how the coconut oil would not liquify in the summer in the salve.  Any insights?

Coconut oil will liquify in the heat; so if you want the consistent firm salve quality, you will have to use some beeswax.