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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Candida & Leaky Gut => : healthybratt October 04, 2006, 10:30:48 AM

: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt October 04, 2006, 10:30:48 AM
(Also attached is an article I wrote very similar to this post which includes a bit more info on LGS and Candida, what they are and how they work to harm the body.)


In LGS [Leaky Gut Syndrome], the integrity of the intestines has been compromised which allows microbial toxins of the small intestines to flood into the blood stream. This event compromises the liver, the lymphatic system, and the immune response including the endocrine system.

List of symptoms


NOTE:  There are many more, I've found in my research.  I tried to list as many as I could remember.  If you're not sure if your problem is autoimmune related - try Google.  Type in "autoimmune", "autoimmunity", "leaky gut", or "Candida" in addition to your particular diagnosis and see what you come up with.  You might be surprised at what you find.


Related Links:

Leaky Gut Syndrome - The Cause of it All (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)


Leaky Gut is most often a result of parasites and/or Candida so the first step is to treat the underlying cause.

1.  Change Your Diet

Candida eats sugar; therefore diets need to be altered to exclude all sugars wherever possible.  For help on dietary changes , see the following links

Related Links:

Candida/Yeast:  Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Candida Cleanse without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.msg8289.html#msg8289)
Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Low Carb Recipes [Atkins, Anti-Candida, High Protein, etc.] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15332.msg145608.html#msg145608)
The Maker's Diet (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,337.0.html)
Nourishing Traditions (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,583.0.html)
The Yeast Connection Cookbook (http://www.yeastconnection.com/)
Begin/Start a Healthier Diet/Lifestyle (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1782.0.html)
GAPS Method / Diet [Gut and Psychology Syndrome] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20533.0.html)


2.  Kill the Candida

Take an antifungal.  You can cleanse without supplements, merely by drastically changing your diet, but if the symptoms are severe and your budget allows, I would get a bit more drastic.  There are many anti-Candida formulas on the market some over-the-counter and some that can be prescribed by a physician like Nystatin or Lamisil.  I personally recommend Candida Clear because it's both antifungal and antiparasitic.

NOTE:  Black Walnut is reputed to dry up mother's milk, so if you're pregnant or nursing Yeast Assassin is not recommended.  An alternative treatment such as pure virgin coconut oil and/or pure aloe vera juice is recommended for yeast and figs or raw pumpkin seeds as a natural treatment for parasites.


Beka recommends starting the water cure at this step or even from the very beginning.  The Water Cure is good for decreasing the Die Off symptoms.  It will flush the body of the toxins released as the Candida Albicans die.  This can be started/stopped at any juncture of your healing.  I've not tried this myself, I just drank lots of water for detox and toughed out the rest.

I've found with some experimentation that activated charcoal can also help to lessen the symptoms that come with die-off.

You may also find after you've killed these little boogers, that further cleansing is in order.  Heavy metals, old medication residues, etc, left to sit in the liver and the fat cells can cause the problem to continue or return.  I'd personally recommend Detox+ from the BHS (http://www.bulkherbstore.com/Detox%2B) for this.  It's good stuff.

CAUTION:  Natural immune boosters can actually be counterproductive if you're attempting to heal an autoimmune disease with these treatments.  It might be wiser to consider antifungals which will not boost your T2 immune cell counts and make sure you get plenty of cod liver oil (or some other omega 3) to boost your T1 cell count to counteract the problem.  (related link:  Autoimmunity (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=5656.new;topicseen#new))

Related Links:

Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Parasites and Cleanses (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,873.0.html)
The Water Cure (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,369.0.html)
Yeast Assassin & Tummy Tuneup:  Dosage & Duration (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3484.0.html)


   

3.  Eliminate Food Allergens

Eliminate foods that cause intolerances in the body.  In many cases of Leaky Gut and Candida infestation, food intolerances develop.  Since they occur over a long period of time, the body may react differently than would be expected so these are more difficult to detect.  Food elimination diets are recommended to find food intolerances.  Once determined which foods cause reactions in your body, these foods should be avoided for the duration of treatment.  They can later be reintroduced to determine if the food intolerance has been reversed as a result of healing the leaky gut.

Related Links:

Allergy Rotation Diet (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,691.0.html)
allergies and meal planning (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2163.0.html)
Food allergies, intolerances, must read! (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,10835.0.html)
Infant Food Intolerances [Allergies] & Breastfeeding [Nursing] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11041.0.html)
How to Avoid Food Intolerances/Allergies in Childhood (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,252.0.html)
Allergy Rotation Diet (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,691.0.html)
Recognizing & Avoiding Allergens [Intolerances] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2725.0.html)
asthma vs allergies (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8343.0.html)
Chronic Sinusitis! Could allergies be the culprit??? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5426.0.html)
Dust & Mold Allergies (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6216.0.html)
Medical Allergy Testing Options: Types, Suggestions, etc... (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3120.0.html)



4.  Recolonize the Gut

Taking antibiotics, drinking unfiltered chlorinated water and having Candida overgrowth severely depletes or kills of all the naturally occurring bacteria in the lining of the intestines.  Recolonize the gut with helpful microbials including bifido and lacto bacterias and nutritional yeasts (not to be confused with Candida).  I take Gr8Dophilus which is probiotic supplement in capsule form.  I highly recommend it, but others are available at your local health food store and GNC carries a good brand of 5 strain probiotics. 

Beka recommends Tummy Tuneup Acidophilus Blast for most yeast infections; however, if Leaky Gut, or other severe symptoms are present, starting with Ultimate Defence for the first 2-4 weeks, and then moving to Acidophilus Blast is a good idea.

Eat naturally cultured foods such as yogurt, kefir, kombucha, sauerkraut, and kimchee.  These foods can be bought commercially, but most contain extra sugars and preservatives.  Sugar feeds Candida, so homemade is always best.

NOTE:  After reading about this topic more thoroughly, I came across some interesting facts.  Acidophilus is not only native to the GI tract, but also to the vagina and bifido bacteria is found primarily in the colon. 

I'm convinced that if you have vaginal yeast symptoms, that getting acidophilus directly into the vagina is a good step in full recovery and I also believe that if digestion is an issue, that enemas containing bifido bacteria may be essential as well.



Related Links:

Yogurt & Kefir:  Recipes, Tips and Tricks (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1786.0.html)
Making Kefir:  Recipes, Tips & Tricks (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1665.0.html)
Kombucha:  Recipes, Tips & Tricks (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,832.0.html)
Kefir, Whey & Sauerkraut (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1154.0.html)
Nourishing Traditions (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,583.0.html)
Yeast Assassin & Tummy Tuneup:  Dosage & Duration (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3484.0.html)
Anyone for Korean  (Kimchee recipes) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,44.0.html)
About Fermentation (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,299.0.html)


5.  Heal the Gut

The holes left by the vacating Candida may heal on their own, but more often than not, American diets are deficient and need help.  In this case supplementation of Essential Fatty Acids may be necessary either in diet or pill form. 

My research has led me to believe that the average American diet is overloaded with omega 6 fats and most people do not need supplementation in this area; however, this all depends on your diet.  If you've followed step 1 and you've completely eliminated all of the junky food from your family's menu, then you might actually need to supplement your 6's as well. 

If you think you need to supplement 6's and 3's, then Beeyoutiful sells a product called Omega Balance which can fill this need all in one pill.

For supplmentation of omega 3's only, I personally take and recommend Cod Liver Oil for a myriad of reasons.  It's good for the joints, reversal of autoimmunity, a good source of vitamins A and D and it will help repair the muscousal lining in the intestines.

Beka's take on this is as follows: 
I am convinced that the key to benefitting from the Omega oils is having enough of all of them. The problems occur when you have them out of balance. Most people in the USA are not getting enough 3's so taking only the 3's may work for them. HOWEVER - you don't know for sure if they are getting enough of 6, and 9 - and results show that some people benefit hugely from large doses of 6 as well. SO - I also think, and believe evidence suggests, that if a body is getting enough of all the Omegas, then the excess of any of them does not harm, but will just be flushed like the other vits they take. So making sure you get enough of all 3.6.9 is more important that making sure you are getting enough 3's - UNLESS you know for a fact that you are only defficient in 3's. I also believe they "work better" if they are all present in the system for processing at the SAME TIME. JMO.  I would recommend taking Omega Balance as well as/or instead of Cod Liver Oil.

Amendment (added 06/22/2007):  As Beka and I have been reading a book called Win the War Within, we have come to a better understanding of the importance of fatty acids and how they affect our overall health.  I recommend you read this thread for more information on taking Essential Fatty Acids and why.

Inflammation & Diet (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8697.90.html)


Natural sources of omega 6 fats include:Evening Primrose Oil, CottonSeed Oil, Peanut, Grapeseed Oil, Corn Oil, Cereals, Whole Grains, Whole Grain Bread, Corn, Safflower and Sunflower

Natural sources of omega 3 fats include:
Avacodoes, Walnuts, Walnut Oil, Fish Oil, Salmon, Scallops, Halibut, Shrimp, Snapper, Tofu, Squash, Herring, Mackerel, Anchovies, Sardines, Tuna, Chia, Perilla, Purslane, Lingonberry, Hemp, Krill, Krill Oil, Animal Fat (grass fed has higher fat content), Lamb (even commercial lamb is generally grass fed and is reputed to be one of the best meat sources), Dairy (grass fed has higher fat content), MicroAlgae(Crypthecodinium cohnii and Schizochytrium), Brown Algae and Acai(Palm Fruit)

Natural sources of both omega 3s and omega 6s include:
Eggs, Flax Seed and Flax Seed Oil

I also recommend taking an amino acid supplement called L.Glutamine.  It's available in pill form at most places that sell nutritional supplements.  This amino acid is found naturally in good healthy meats.

Aloe vera juice also contains 6 of the 8 essential sugars called glyconutrients and are beneficial for healing the lining of the intestines.

Related Links:

Essential Fatty Acid (EFA) Daily Intake Log: Schedules & Effects (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,9697.new.html#new)
Leaky Gut Syndrome - The Cause of it All (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
Boosting Your Immune System:  Avoiding Illness (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2545.0.html)
Hydrogenated Fats (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,125.0.html)


NOTE:  the following are not treatments for leaky gut.  they were only included in the list to show any interested in these protocols what they should do first.  detoxing the liver should not be done before parasites are treated and the master cleanse should not be done if the body has candida as the sugar in the master cleanse could only exacerbate the problem.

6.  Detox the Liver

If you've cleansed the Candida and are healing the gut and you're still feeling toxic, your liver may be overloaded.  Candida overgrowth in itself can cause toxicity in the liver, and if you've had a myriad of symptoms and have been treated by a physician, then any meds taken may have also caused additional toxicity in your liver and/or gallbladder. 

At this point, a liver/gallbladder flush may be in order.  Do not do this step without first treating for parasites as mentioned in the first steps.

If you want something less aggressive drinking Kombucha and/or taking a milk thistle supplement would be highly recommended.  Spirulina and chlorella are reputed to be liver detoxifiers as well.  For an easy way to get all three, you could take some SuperMom.  I take the SuperDad as I cannot handle the iron in SuperMom.  SuperDad; however doesn't contain any milk thistle.

Beka has mentioned that Spirulina can exacerbate yeast growth as mercury toxins are flushed.  So - if a person has multiple amalgam fillings, they might consider waiting on the  Supermom until after they conquer the yeast problem.

Related Links:

Liver Flush/Gallbladder Cleanse (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,940.0.html)
Yeast Assassin & Tummy Tuneup:  Dosage & Duration (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3484.0.html)
Mercury/Amalgam Fillings (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1966.0.html)


7.  The Master Cleanse
 
This diet was not designed for Candida cleansing or leaky gut healing; however, it's been found to be beneficial in reversing damage done to many systems in the body and very good to help reset the tastebuds to crave more healthy foods and less unhealthy sugars and preservatives.  You might even lose a few pounds, but be warned, without a healthy diet to follow, the pounds will only return to haunt you.  ;)  This diet takes a bit more fortitude than taking a few supplements, but could definitely speed up your recovery time.

This cleanse should be postponed until yeast is under control as the sugar in the diet in the form of maple syrup could actually impede your progress fighting candida.

Related Links:

The Master Cleanse (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.0.html)
Breastfeeding and Master Cleanse (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,342.0.html)



AVOID:  Refined sugars and grains, oral contraceptives, ibuprofen and other NSAIDS, excessive alcohol, prescription meds which affect the liver, chlorinated water and ESPECIALLY antibiotics whenever possible.  If these things cannot be avoided, then daily supplementation of probiotics is a MUST.



WATER

There is no other substance in the world like water.  You can never have too much.  There is no toxicity level.  You can drink it all day long.  You can cook with it, clean with it.  IT IS the source of organic life.  Drink lots of it.  It will definitely help you cleanse your kidneys and bowels and will probably help you to lose weight in many different ways.  The toxins for one, but if you're constantly drinking water, your tummy won't have room for sodas, sugary drinks and even less room for food.  The water will also help to speed digestion which speeds up your metabolism which burns more fat.

No matter what, you can't go wrong with water.

For more info on water, health benefits and what kind to drink, visit this Podcast (http://www.backtobasicspodcast.com/Welcome/Podcast/B4376C3B-A192-4081-B091-49E29D8C4273.html) and hear all about this wonderful resource.



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: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: ForeverGirl October 04, 2006, 11:07:53 AM
Healthy Bratt is a genius
A treasure tried and true
If all my systems fail at once
It's because I ignored you
With links galore and facts complete
On what to do and what to eat
I find myself strong but deplete
Of all my favorite foods.

Parasites have long since fled
And Yeast has had a scare
My children now allergen free
There's vinegar in my hair
My hubby lost a ton of weight
Hurray for veggies on the plate
The Water Cure is no debate
"Healthy Bratt was Here."


Thanks HB for a terrific post!

(feel free to add to the poem, all ye HB fans!)

Beka Bee
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Kati*did October 04, 2006, 11:59:36 AM
Wow, HB...that's an awesome post!!  8)  Thanks a ton.

Katie
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt October 04, 2006, 12:38:45 PM
 ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D

I'm laughing so hard, I'm in tears. 

Thanks Beka.  I needed a good laugh.

~hb
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: cpsenter October 06, 2006, 09:54:36 AM
(I posted this on the water cure too since some may just look at this one b/c its yeast related!)   :)  I am so thankful for this site, it has been a huge help to me already!
I am trying to fight candida b/c I think I may have some symptoms but my doctors are sitll tyring to rule out autoimmune diseases so b/c I have the colonostmy next week (to make sure I dont have Chrones disease or something else) I was waiting to start the full blown yeast fighting system.  I have been doing the yeast free diet now for a few days and also the water cure, really just started up yesterday (with the right water and salt) and then I went to a health food store and got some Acidophilus (I know it is probably not as good as what you guys use at Beeyoutiful but is what I could get the fastest).  Well I took some of it last night on a empty stomach before bed (I had been taking it right before eating since Wednesday afternoon) and when I woke up my tummy was hurting a little and then I went down and had a glass of my salt water and took another acidophilus.  About 30 min later my tummy was really hurting but I went ahead and ate something (I had a grapefruit b/c I have heard that is ok sometimes but what do you think? and had some almonds).  Then about 20 min later my tummy really was cramping and I could litereally hear it and feel it rumbling and then about 20 later I had pretty bad diarrhea.  All this to say do you think there is any way its b/c of the acidophilus?  I saw in one of your other postings that sometimes if you have Leaky Gut then acidophilus can make you sick.  Is that more hives and allergy like symptoms or could it be tummy pains and diarrhea too?  If you don't thinks its related to that do you think its b/c I should not have taken it on an empty stomach that long before eating? 
thanks so much for all your help!
I want to do something to help but I am afraid of doing something that will make things worse (like if I by chance have leaky gut then I don't want to make it worse.  I have not really thought I have that thought b/c my tummy issues have not been severe, aren't they usually severe with LGS?).
thanks for any help anyone may have I don't know if it could be from the probiotic or possibly from the salt water.
healthybrat was kind to answer my question to her but suggested that I put it on the post so others could benefit.  so I will post her reply below.
She thought others may have other advice on this!
thanks!
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt October 06, 2006, 03:48:07 PM
Detox is a possibility, but my first thought is that you put too much salt in your water.  Salt water can have a laxative effect.  I've never done the water cure.  Something about it, just doesn't sit right with me, or maybe I'm just too chicken, but if you have questions about this, I would recommend posting them on the Water Cure thread.

If this is a detox symptom (sounds unlikely), then I would slow down on my dosage of probiotics. 

If it were me, I'd stop the salt in the water and continue the acidophulus, but others may have a different answer.

It's also a possibility that you've contracted a virus.  A few others have been worried about something they've done to their bodies using supplements only to find out that they had contracted a virus in tandem with beginning new things.

I hope this helps.


: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: cpsenter October 09, 2006, 01:22:24 AM
bumping my question back up to try and get some advice!   :)
---------------------
I posted this on the water cure too since some may just look at this one b/c its yeast related!)     I am so thankful for this site, it has been a huge help to me already!
I am trying to fight candida b/c I think I may have some symptoms but my doctors are sitll tyring to rule out autoimmune diseases so b/c I have the colonostmy next week (to make sure I dont have Chrones disease or something else) I was waiting to start the full blown yeast fighting system.  I have been doing the yeast free diet now for a few days and also the water cure, really just started up yesterday (with the right water and salt) and then I went to a health food store and got some Acidophilus (I know it is probably not as good as what you guys use at Beeyoutiful but is what I could get the fastest).  Well I took some of it last night on a empty stomach before bed (I had been taking it right before eating since Wednesday afternoon) and when I woke up my tummy was hurting a little and then I went down and had a glass of my salt water and took another acidophilus.  About 30 min later my tummy was really hurting but I went ahead and ate something (I had a grapefruit b/c I have heard that is ok sometimes but what do you think? and had some almonds).  Then about 20 min later my tummy really was cramping and I could litereally hear it and feel it rumbling and then about 20 later I had pretty bad diarrhea.  All this to say do you think there is any way its b/c of the acidophilus?  I saw in one of your other postings that sometimes if you have Leaky Gut then acidophilus can make you sick.  Is that more hives and allergy like symptoms or could it be tummy pains and diarrhea too?  If you don't thinks its related to that do you think its b/c I should not have taken it on an empty stomach that long before eating? 
thanks so much for all your help!
I want to do something to help but I am afraid of doing something that will make things worse (like if I by chance have leaky gut then I don't want to make it worse.  I have not really thought I have that thought b/c my tummy issues have not been severe, aren't they usually severe with LGS?).
thanks for any help anyone may have I don't know if it could be from the probiotic or possibly from the salt water.
healthybrat was kind to answer my question to her but suggested that I put it on the post so others could benefit.  so I will post her reply below.
She thought others may have other advice on this!
thanks!
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt October 09, 2006, 08:37:22 AM
:  maideninwaiting
I just went to the LGS thread and wow... I have a few of the symptoms. My mom has nearly all of them. My aunt has been diagnosed with Lupus and Fibromialgia (sp?) and I'm wondering if she could be cured by cleansing and taking the Yeast Assassin.

Anyway, my question at this point is this: Is it safe to take Yeast Assasin even if you're not sure you have yeast, but you do have some LGS symptoms and would like to get rid of possible parasites because you have cats  Embarrassed ?

I am thinking of ordering some when I order the bee pollen to prepare my body for the Master Cleanse I'm planning to do in Spring or Summer. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am still overwhelmed by the ocean of info here! WOW! Shocked

Thanks!
Yeast Assassin has no ingredients in it that should be unhealthy for your body at any time other than if you're nursing or pregnant that I am aware of. 
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: PMESguy October 12, 2006, 02:23:51 PM
Keep in mind that the top three things that will kill your gut are stress, NSAIDS, and alcohol. So if you want to greatly decrease the chances of having a leaky gut, I would be in your best interest to look at what is causing your gut to leak in the first place. Remember a leaky gut is only a symptom (or a weak link if you will) of a greater problem. Treating the symptom will get you better only to the degree that the acutal etiology is addressed.

I agree with the points outlined in the first post, but candida is supposed to be in your gut. Killing it is not a good idea. If you remove the opportunity for it to grow out of control (through nutrition and lifestlye modification) than it will not. Parasite infections are really stubborn, but they become A LOT more easy to resolve once you recognize the reason why they are there. :) Part of this is getting out of the medical midset of trying to kill the bad guys...but that is a topic of a whole nother conversation. :D

The most complete information I know of is Doug Kauffmann's book called The Fungus Link (www.knowthecause.com). He has a pretty impressive track record against the bugs!!
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: healthybratt October 12, 2006, 02:26:01 PM
Keep in mind that the top three things that will kill your gut are stress, NSAIDS, and alcohol. So if you want to greatly decrease the chances of having a leaky gut, I would be in your best interest to look at what is causing your gut to leak in the first place. Remember a leaky gut is only a symptom (or a weak link if you will) of a greater problem. Treating the symptom will get you better only to the degree that the acutal etiology is addressed.
Thanks for your input.  Most of this information is in another thread.  I created this one for those who wanted something very simple and easy to follow without all the extra stuff to wade through.

Leaky Gut:  The Cause of It All? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
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: leslieincali December 15, 2006, 03:35:10 PM
Please don't type in all caps at me if this has been asked and answered already. :-\ After reading on here and beginning The Yeast Connection, I'm certain I have Candida overgrowth. After the holidays, I'm going to start on the beeyoutiful products, phase 1 of the makers diet and I think I'll throw in the water cure and a little coconut oil just for good measure. So, here's my question. My husband inhales double strength cortico steroids everday :o for his allergies. I don't think he's keen on stopping since they are the 1st thing that ever gave him lasting relief. I've read that husband and wife can pass this stuff back and forth. If I go through all the trouble to get clean and dh(who is a wonderful man, I should add here ;D) does not make any changes, do y'all think I'm fighting a losing battle. Can I stay on yeast assassin permanently ??? Oh I forgot to say that the cortico steroids were listed in Yeast Connection as a contributor yo yeast overgrowth.
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: healthybratt December 16, 2006, 04:47:35 AM
I've read that husband and wife can pass this stuff back and forth. If I go through all the trouble to get clean and dh(who is a wonderful man, I should add here ;D) does not make any changes, do y'all think I'm fighting a losing battle. Can I stay on yeast assassin permanently ??? Oh I forgot to say that the cortico steroids were listed in Yeast Connection as a contributor yo yeast overgrowth.
Yes, it can be passed back and forth, but I don't think it's a losing battle.  I would do what you think you need to in order to get your body healthy, but I would make sure I was taking some combination of probiotics indefinately to keep the yeasties at bay in your body (kefir, yogurt, kombucha, kimchee, sauerkraut, or supplements {Tummy Tuneup}).
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: herbalmom December 16, 2006, 08:54:44 AM
So, here's my question. My husband inhales double strength cortico steroids everday :o for his allergies. I don't think he's keen on stopping since they are the 1st thing that ever gave him lasting relief. I've read that husband and wife can pass this stuff back and forth. If I go through all the trouble to get clean and dh(who is a wonderful man, I should add here ;D) does not make any changes, do y'all think I'm fighting a losing battle.

Check out Doug Kaufmann's Fungus Link books. The web site is: www.knowthecause.com. If you get his t.v. show- Know the Cause check that out too. His whole thing is about the WIDE variety of illness that yeast/fungus causes. Now I'm not making any promises, but a lot of people on steroids can get off of them after treating & getting rid of yeast/fungus. Fungus wreaks havoc on the system which causes you to need the steroids & the steroids help the fungus grow so it becomes an endless cycle. HTH
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: healthybratt December 29, 2006, 06:11:11 AM
Just to let anyone know who is interested...

I have been following most of the steps listed in my first post since April.  I chose the supplements that worked best with my budget and availability, preferences and time constraints.  I've a had a few setbacks and felt doubtful at times, that I was taking the right course of action.  I had symptoms that were obviously realted to candida/leaky gut and others that seemed unrelated. 

I used to have recurrent vaginal yeast infections, skin infections, phantom itching, and bowel upsets.  I used to have sensitive eyelashes.  They constantly itched or were poking me.  I was unable to wear eye makeup as a result.  I used to get boils on my legs and cysts on my eyelids with some frequency.  My cuticles on my nails used to crack and hurt.  My toenails used to be thick and brittle.  My lips and skin used to chap regularly.  My hair used to fall out in wads.  I used to be low on energy and had trouble with insomnia, depression and Seasonal Affective Disorder.  I had PMS and intermittent (sometimes severe) mood swings and a decreased and unpredicatable libido.  I used to have high blood pressure.  I used to have some sort of food allergy which I never diagnosed specifically and I used to be allergic to newspaper.

I'm happy to report that all of these and some others I probably forgot to mention have all disappeared completely.  I've not had any recurrance for several weeks. 

Along with the treatments listed in this thread, I have also stopped using all products which contain SLS and started using wild yam cream which I believe helped with the itching and the PMS symptoms.

I intend to finish the Yeast Assassin that I have and the Acidophilus Blast until it's gone and then quit.  Then I intend to continue with all of my diet changes.  I'm so thrilled with all of the results and hubby is happy too, because I'm healthier and more balanced and more available without hesitation.  ;)

So, now it's not only a matter of research, but also experience that tells me that if you have any weird health problems that you just can't put your finger on, instead of going to the doc to get a magic pill to cure what ails you, treat for yeast and leaky gut and see what happens.  I think you'll be amazed at the results - I know I AM!  ;D

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: ginimom3 December 29, 2006, 08:12:01 AM
What  do you suggest for a child with leaky gut?  Is off all allergic foods, takes no antibiotics, is on Diflucan to get rid of yeast.   Is only three and I cannot take off all sugar because will never eat. Is GFCF has had Sage allergy test and is on mega probiotics. Is there anything else you can suggest?

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: healthybratt December 29, 2006, 08:40:56 AM
What  do you suggest for a child with leaky gut?  Is off all allergic foods, takes no antibiotics, is on Diflucan to get rid of yeast.   Is only three and I cannot take off all sugar because will never eat. Is GFCF has had Sage allergy test and is on mega probiotics. Is there anything else you can suggest?


Cod Liver Oil is good for healing all the wet parts.  It will not only promote healing in the gut, but it will help other areas of the body as well.  If he won't eat anything without sugar, then he's probably craving it - which means yeast for sure.  It was mentioned in another thread that a child will not allow himself to starve.  I believe this is true.  I would just continue to serve sugar free foods and he will eat eventually when he is hungry enough.  Lots of meats, cheeses, and green veggies are a great way to take sugar out of the diet.  Most of these are gluten free.  If casein is a problem, then cheese is obviously out, but you might try kefir to heal any allergies to dairy.  Several people have reported that kefir will reverse dairy allergies.  Kombucha is not a food, but a great probiotic drink.  Add this in as well if you are able to find a culture.  Once you have the culture, making the drink is a cinch and my kids love it.  Definately avoid breads & grains, potatoes and fruits for at least a couple of weeks.  Whole grains like oats can be added in gradually but in small amounts.  Check this thread for some other ideas on extending your menu.

Foods to Eat While Cleansing for Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)

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: Blessedw/3 January 05, 2007, 04:48:24 PM
If this is in the wrong spot I apologize.

I have been reading on autism and the gf/cf diet. My son is developing normally but we have always had major behavior problems. A few days ago I took him to a chiropractor who did a test and said he was allergic to wheat. I quit giving him wheat, sugar, and dairy.  He is a different child! I do not even know this strange obedient, respectful, smiling, laughing child! I am reading the book " unraveling the mysteries of autism" and I am confused. She is against dairy period. I read the food allergies section in Nourishing Traditions which I have been changing our diet to previously and Sally Fallon says that cultured milk is okay as well as soaked grains I think. I am just wondering what has worked for some of you who are on gf/cf diet. Have you tried to do NT too? Also, could this be just food allergy, yeast overgrowth, leaky gut and then once I heal the gut we can go back to drinking raw milk and eating things with wheat or does his behavior change prove that he is on the autism spectrum? Please help, I am terribly confused as too where to go from here.
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: healthybratt January 05, 2007, 07:41:18 PM
If this is in the wrong spot I apologize.

I have been reading on autism and the gf/cf diet. My son is developing normally but we have always had major behavior problems. A few days ago I took him to a chiropractor who did a test and said he was allergic to wheat. I quit giving him wheat, sugar, and dairy.  He is a different child! I do not even know this strange obedient, respectful, smiling, laughing child! I am reading the book " unraveling the mysteries of autism" and I am confused. She is against dairy period. I read the food allergies section in Nourishing Traditions which I have been changing our diet to previously and Sally Fallon says that cultured milk is okay as well as soaked grains I think. I am just wondering what has worked for some of you who are on gf/cf diet. Have you tried to do NT too? Also, could this be just food allergy, yeast overgrowth, leaky gut and then once I heal the gut we can go back to drinking raw milk and eating things with wheat or does his behavior change prove that he is on the autism spectrum? Please help, I am terribly confused as too where to go from here.
Not all children who are allergic to wheat are necessarily allergic to dairy but in most cases they are because the proteins in both (casein & gluten) are very similar in makeup.

If these allergies are a result of yeast overgrowth and/or leaky gut, then healing the gut could definately help to reverse these food intolerances.  The only way to know for sure is to test it out.  Withhold all possible allergens while treating for candida/leaky gut and and reintroduce them one at a time at long intervals apart and watch for reactions.  If the allergies/reactions persist, discontinue eating this food again and wait 3-6 months and try again. 

Check the first post in this thread for steps to follow for healing leaky gut and fighting candida overgrowth.
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: hollyolly123 January 15, 2007, 06:02:37 PM
I so appreciate HB's post too, and the bit about what do do for cleansing if your pregnant, and wow, I didn't know aloe vera juice had all those glyconutrients! (I definately can't afford the pill kind!)  But also I'm writing to Beka, because I thought your signature was so funny (about your son "reading") that I tried to read it to my husband but I literally couldn't because I was laughing so hard.  My dh was looking at me like I'd lost my mind. 
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: Naomismama February 18, 2007, 08:00:39 AM
Ok, I need some advice. I have read a lot n this forum and on outside sources about eczema, candida yeast and leaky gut. My husband is suffering badly with the most extreme case of eczema I have ever seen! I am going to try and post pictures if I can figure out how.  :) Anyway, after researching for an exhausting amount of hours, I am pretty confident his problem is candida yeast. So, here is my plan of action. I would really like some opinions to make sure I am on track.

-order the anti-yeast pack from beeyoutiful
-no sugar, no wheat, no gluten, no dairy, no starchy foods, no vinegar, no fruit (except berries??)
-LOTS of water (following the water cure regimen)

Some questions I have: topically we have a blend of essential oils specifically for excema, we also have some homeopathic creams, when his skin isn't covered the pain is unbearable! Is this ok to keep stuff on it. It seems like his is debilitated if it's dry. We only use homeopathic, natural stuff, we don't do doctors, and we still won't, but this is so beyond me! I have never seen anything so bad before!
So, does this regimen sound good??? How fast will it work??? He is barely able to work but goes b/c we need money to survive so there isn't much choice. But we are hoping for at least some improvement. Thanks for all your help!!!!
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: YoopreMama February 18, 2007, 08:14:43 AM

Some questions I have: topically we have a blend of essential oils specifically for eczema, we also have some homeopathic creams, when his skin isn't covered the pain is unbearable! Is this OK to keep stuff on it. It seems like his is debilitated if it's dry.

I am so sorry for you and your DH.  I've battled this eczema, too, and I'm seemingly going around a corner w/ it, based on stuff I've read from wonderful girls here at WTM...there are many related threads on this topic.

Have you read the Fungal-Bacteria Thread?  It was a huge light bulb for me...That might address treatment more than cause, but it addresses that some, too. As far as relief, my eczema is similar to your DH's right now (mine, I think, is due to some liver cleansing I'm doing and the toxin overload is coming through my skin)  The Dead Sea Salt baths and dabbing some on throughout the day (1/4 c. to 1 qt. of water) have given SO MUCH RELIEF!  I avoid any creams now, even Black Salve, b/c they seemed to exacerbate the condition.  The air was killing the bacteria/fungus.  Aloe Vera has helped some people.  Massage the skin in the tub w/ a washcloth or sponge helped...is his itchy? A heating pad was nice, even the blow dryer...I would definitely start some liver supporting herbs...sounds like it could be overloaded.  Eating foods rich in antioxidants (berries, teas, chocolate, broccoli) and sulphur (onions and garlic) may help, too.  LOTS of water--keep the bowels really moving so any junk can exit that way instead of the skin...the other stuff you're going to do sounds great!  Keep us posted!
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: Naomismama February 18, 2007, 09:31:58 AM
Ok, another question, My hubby has a spot under his arm that is cracked and split open. It hurts him so much! We need to get it healed because it's hard for him to work with it splitting open all the time. We have been putting vitamin e on it. It only feels tolerable when he has cream on it. Should he still keep it dry?? I have read conflicting stuff about keeping it dry or lotioned up.  How long have you had the eczema? Yes, his itches really bad!! Are you finally getting over it? Did yours ever oozed? His is doing that now? Thanks so much for your help!
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: Pastorswife2B February 18, 2007, 10:14:45 AM
well I'm not really an expert on the eczema stuff.. but if your looking for something creamy and healing for fungus I would try goot.  Just an idea

-Heather
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: YoopreMama February 18, 2007, 11:30:38 AM
OK, another question, My hubby has a spot under his arm that is cracked and split open. It hurts him so much! We need to get it healed because it's hard for him to work with it splitting open all the time. We have been putting vitamin e on it. It only feels tolerable when he has cream on it. Should he still keep it dry?? I have read conflicting stuff about keeping it dry or lotioned up.  How long have you had the eczema? Yes, his itches really bad!! Are you finally getting over it? Did yours ever oozed? His is doing that now? Thanks so much for your help!

I'm so sorry about the cracked open skin.  I have had that, too.  It makes life very uncomfortable.  :(  I agree that it needs to heal and leaving it dry won't aid in that, in my opinion.  I would make sure he's ingesting vitamin C, echinacea and good fats to aid in healing...and I would apply lanolin and keep it covered (like bandaged).  I think the GOOT would have burned my open skin...coconut oil is good, tough.  Lots of healing salves out there--Black salve really helped mine...I bet the Vitamin E is helping, too.   My 1st priority would always be to get those open cracks healed. I would sleep w/ gloves over lubricated (w/o petrolatum) hands (where my cracks were).  I would avoid stuff w/ Sodium Lauryl Sulphate (SLS), too...there's a thread on that, too.  It was in my toothpaste!

I'm 34 and have battled eczema since childhood.  It was the worst ever after I did some cleanses recently...I think b/c my liver is unclogged to work better at ridding my body of junk, and b/c I'm not trapping the stuff in my my salves, oils, creams, etc.  The salt and oxygen are drying/clearing it up.

Mine did ooze...at times it was like little water blisters under the skin that I loved to pop.  Hot water felt marvelous on it...but I knew it was bad.

I do think I am getting over it.  The places that were the worst originally are mostly healed and it's moved and healed in secondary spots, too.  The salt water really took away the itching pretty quickly...dabbing it on.

If I think of anything else that would be helpful, I'll add more later!





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: Naomismama February 18, 2007, 06:30:18 PM
Thanks for all your help! I did try GOOT on his cracked skin but it made it worse. I made a calendula salve so he is trying that. I ordered him the yeast assasin pack today so I will let you know if it works for him or not. Poor guy...he stopped drinking coffee today in an attempt to help his situation and now he has a severe migraine!! It's just not a good day for him! If you think of it, just pray my poor man gets over all this soon!
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: healthyinOhio February 19, 2007, 04:53:02 AM
Poor guy...he stopped drinking coffee today in an attempt to help his situation and now he has a severe migraine!! It's just not a good day for him! If you think of it, just pray my poor man gets over all this soon!


Yeah, quiting cold turkey with caffeinated products is the WORST!!  When I gave up coffee, I weaned myself using some coffee and a nut/grain beverage until I was at zero coffee and 100% grain.  Then, when I gave up caffeinated tea(for a time of addiction control) I had a hard time weaning.  The best thing that helped me was my water intake.  Every time I had a "head" pain, I would drink an entire glass of water.  The caffeine withdrawl headache went away in about 15-20min.  Also, I have read and found that chamomile tea is good for caffeine withdrawls.  HTH!  ;)
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: jre612 February 19, 2007, 08:19:43 AM
Ok, I need some advice. I have read a lot n this forum and on outside sources about eczema, candida yeast and leaky gut. My husband is suffering badly with the most extreme case of eczema I have ever seen! I am going to try and post pictures if I can figure out how.  :) Anyway, after researching for an exhausting amount of hours, I am pretty confident his problem is candida yeast. So, here is my plan of action. I would really like some opinions to make sure I am on track.

-order the anti-yeast pack from beeyoutiful
-no sugar, no wheat, no gluten, no dairy, no starchy foods, no vinegar, no fruit (except berries??)
-LOTS of water (following the water cure regimen)

Some questions I have: topically we have a blend of essential oils specifically for excema, we also have some homeopathic creams, when his skin isn't covered the pain is unbearable! Is this ok to keep stuff on it. It seems like his is debilitated if it's dry. We only use homeopathic, natural stuff, we don't do doctors, and we still won't, but this is so beyond me! I have never seen anything so bad before!
So, does this regimen sound good??? How fast will it work??? He is barely able to work but goes b/c we need money to survive so there isn't much choice. But we are hoping for at least some improvement. Thanks for all your help!!!!

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That looks really painful!  I had really bad ecxema this winter.  It went from my wrists to my arm pit under my arm. It burned and itched all day and night.  When I put things on it it made it worse.  So, finally I read in a book called nutritional healing that a good cure for ecxema is magnesium.  So, I used the nature rich mineral bath once and my ecxema is gone.  I will send you a sample if you email me your address.  It cost $20 for a 20 oz. bottle but I will send you a sample to see if it works for free.  You can read about it at.
http://jodyriley.naturerich.net/
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: brigonia February 27, 2007, 10:12:11 AM
Hi,
This is my first post.  I have found all of the candida info very helpful, thanks. 

I do have a question though.  I read this "There is no better probiotic to accomplish this than Essential Formulas Probiotics OMX 12 by Dr. Ohhira, or Natren's Healthy Trinity. (Do not take Healthy Trinity within two hours of taking Psyllium hulls, slippery elm, Oxy-Powder, anti-fungals, garlic, vitamin c and some drugs)." on this sitehttp://www.cancerorfungus.com/antifungal.html. 

Any thoughts or experience with this(taking probiotics and candida killers at separate meals)?  Dh and I are taking probiotics with two meals a day.  I have dh taking his neem oil two hours after dinner now so that it won't hurt the probiotics.  We are planning to start a candida killer in the next week or so. 

Thanks, Briana
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: brigonia March 02, 2007, 10:28:04 AM
 :)
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: 4myhoonie March 02, 2007, 12:33:21 PM
Hi,
This is my first post.  I have found all of the candida info very helpful, thanks. 

I do have a question though.  I read this "There is no better probiotic to accomplish this than Essential Formulas Probiotics OMX 12 by Dr. Ohhira, or Natren's Healthy Trinity. (Do not take Healthy Trinity within two hours of taking Psyllium hulls, slippery elm, Oxy-Powder, anti-fungals, garlic, vitamin c and some drugs)." on this sitehttp://www.cancerorfungus.com/antifungal.html. 

Any thoughts or experience with this(taking probiotics and candida killers at separate meals)?  Dh and I are taking probiotics with two meals a day.  I have dh taking his neem oil two hours after dinner now so that it won't hurt the probiotics.  We are planning to start a candida killer in the next week or so. 

Thanks, Briana

maybe the candida killer would kill the probiotics, not sure.  but i do take my probiotics first thing in the am, and right before bed just to be safe.
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: healthybratt March 03, 2007, 06:08:30 AM
Hi,
This is my first post.  I have found all of the candida info very helpful, thanks. 

I do have a question though.  I read this "There is no better probiotic to accomplish this than Essential Formulas Probiotics OMX 12 by Dr. Ohhira, or Natren's Healthy Trinity. (Do not take Healthy Trinity within two hours of taking Psyllium hulls, slippery elm, Oxy-Powder, anti-fungals, garlic, vitamin c and some drugs)." on this sitehttp://www.cancerorfungus.com/antifungal.html. 

Any thoughts or experience with this(taking probiotics and candida killers at separate meals)?  Dh and I are taking probiotics with two meals a day.  I have dh taking his neem oil two hours after dinner now so that it won't hurt the probiotics.  We are planning to start a candida killer in the next week or so. 

Thanks, Briana

maybe the candida killer would kill the probiotics, not sure.  but i do take my probiotics first thing in the am, and right before bed just to be safe.
This topic is very difficult to research because of all of the techy-med terms, but to the best I can figure, it's very possible that some antifungals may be detrimental to certain "Bifido" strains in probiotic formulas because of their relationship to oxygen (They are strictly anaerobic and die in the presence of oxygen).

"Lacto" bacteria however, seem to have the ability to survive in aerobic or anaerobic environments (faculative anaerobes) and should not be affected by the increased oxygen in the blood that comes from taking certain antifungals.

It's a very complex subject and I am still wading through all the information I can find, but unless you're supplementing strictly faculative anaerobic bacteria like acidophilus, it sure couldn't hurt to take your probiotics at different times of the day than your antifungals and it would probably be wise to continue probiotics well after you have discontinued your antifungal remedies to replace as many bacteria in the body as possible.

NOTE:  After reading about this topic more thoroughly, I came across some interesting facts.  Acidophilus is not only native to the GI tract, but also to the vagina and bifido bacteria is found primarily in the colon. 

I'm convinced that if you have vaginal yeast symptoms, that getting acidophilus directly into the vagina is a good step in full recovery and I also believe that if digestion is an issue, that enemas containing bifido bacteria may be essential as well.
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: brigonia March 03, 2007, 06:50:07 AM
Thanks.  Have you noticed any tummy upset or other not so great reactions from taking the probiotics on an empty stomach?  The ones we are taking have a coating (enteric?) on them so that they don't disolve 'till after they pass through the stomach.  I'm wondering if that would keep the bacteria safer if we did combine pros and antis at the same time.  Hmm, more to look up.

 
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: 4myhoonie March 03, 2007, 07:09:24 AM
Thanks.  Have you noticed any tummy upset or other not so great reactions from taking the probiotics on an empty stomach?  The ones we are taking have a coating (enteric?) on them so that they don't disolve 'till after they pass through the stomach.  I'm wondering if that would keep the bacteria safer if we did combine pros and antis at the same time.  Hmm, more to look up.

i take 5 or 6 primal defense when i first wake up, before eating, and i never have any tummy trouble.  i am more prone to lower bowel trouble, and haven't had that either.  i worked up to taking 5 or 6 in the morning and before bed.  i also take extra if i eat poorly or feel digestively upset sometime during the day.  i take 2 yeast assassin with 2 meals.  also, i used to think i couldn't handle taking anything on an empty stomach, but after trying it, i don't.  also, i am sure to take supermom with food.  HTH
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: healthybratt March 03, 2007, 08:26:14 AM
Thanks.  Have you noticed any tummy upset or other not so great reactions from taking the probiotics on an empty stomach?  The ones we are taking have a coating (enteric?) on them so that they don't disolve 'till after they pass through the stomach.  I'm wondering if that would keep the bacteria safer if we did combine pros and antis at the same time.  Hmm, more to look up.

 
Never had any tummy upset from taking any of my supplements with or without meals.  I usually can't take with meals, cuz I'm too full to swallow the water and the pills, so I usually take all of them a couple of hours after I eat.  Occaisionally, I burp fish when I take CLO, but it's not bad and it doesn't last long.  ;D
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: Naomismama March 15, 2007, 12:23:24 PM
 I posted a few things a while back about my husbands eczema. He has it REALLY bad!! It's far worse than any other eczema I[ve ever seen, Anyway,  he is on week 4 of a candida yeast program. He is following the anti yeast diet from the yeast connection book. He is taking the anti yeast pack stuff from beeyoutiful, except he is taking a high potency flora (50 billion live cultures per capsule 2 x's a day) instead of the probiotics that came from beeyoutiful. He is doing a liver detox (3 pills, 2x's a day, the bottle says to take 1 2 x's a day but the lady who sold it ot us said in his condition to up it to 3) He's also drinking aloe vera juice everyday (8oz), taking vit e, eating lots of flax and hemp seeds, lots of garlic and garlic capsules....I think that's everything, but he is NOT getting better! It seemed like his upper body was starting to clear up and then it just spread like wild fire down his legs. Now, his arms are back to how they were before and his legs are covered. I'd have to say like 85-90% of his body is completly covered in eczema. His neck and ears are oozing and bleeding. His skin is so thin on his arms that when he itches it, it breaks open and starts to bleed. His legs look different from his arms, more like what most people's eczema looks like, it's red round dry patches that are more circular. His upper body and arms are just completly tomato red, his neck is probably the worst, it kind of feels like leather. We are EXTREMELY discouraged!!!! I guess we thought will all this it would at least be showing signs of improvement instead of worsening. What do you think? Oh, and he says he has a "metalic"y taste in his mouth and the stuff that is oozing out of his smells metallicy. I think he's detoxing bad but he's so sick of hearing that from me!!! Just wondered what your thoughts are. Thanks!
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: YoopreMama March 15, 2007, 12:58:24 PM
Naomismama,

I've been wondering how he was.  :(  I'm so sorry to hear of his pain and frustration.  :'(  I just came out of a horrid 2 month detox rash...I truly think that is what I had...I would think that's what is going on with him, too.  It got way worse before it got better...some thoughts...(I've posted elsewhere on this):

The DSS salts were key for me (dead horse, I know  ;))...drying it out...I had to get rid of the flannel sheets at night b/c I was sweating and drawing out more junk (like a sauna effect).  Trapping it w/ salves really didn't work and I only used it when it was really bad (cracked, bleeding).  I wonder if calmoseptine (over the counter "new" salve that works similarly to calamine lotion) would help. It makes a water-proof barrier so healing can begin.  I used that and benefited from it last fall.

I didn't realize that doing the master cleanse in December wiped out my good bacteria, too.  So I kick-started my liver, but also diminished my beneficial intestinal flora at the same time.   :(  I recently started making and drinking beet kvass, kombucha, cabbage juice, kefir and increased my homemade yogurt.  That's helping SO much.  And the healthy fats...coconut oils, avocado, eggs, nuts, etc...I'd add cod liver oil if you haven't already.  Pulling grains from my diet has helped many, too, with this situation.  Berries,foods with antioxidants (beets and carrots), etc...I'll try and find the threads that may help...

I'll continue to pray for you both.   :)

Here are some threads I mentioned:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,4963.0.html
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2283.0.html
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5972.msg64313.html#msg64313
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5375.0.html
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5501.0.html

Hope something helps!   :)

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: likemanywaters March 15, 2007, 01:31:51 PM
Naomismama,

I'm just thinking about the "metally" smell. Do you think a bentonite clay bath might help?  Just remember reading that it binds to heavy metals...
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: healthybratt March 15, 2007, 07:26:29 PM
I posted a few things a while back about my husbands eczema. He has it REALLY bad!! It's far worse than any other eczema I[ve ever seen, Anyway,  he is on week 4 of a candida yeast program. He is following the anti yeast diet from the yeast connection book. He is taking the anti yeast pack stuff from beeyoutiful, except he is taking a high potency flora (50 billion live cultures per capsule 2 x's a day) instead of the probiotics that came from beeyoutiful. He is doing a liver detox (3 pills, 2x's a day, the bottle says to take 1 2 x's a day but the lady who sold it ot us said in his condition to up it to 3) He's also drinking aloe vera juice everyday (8oz), taking vit e, eating lots of flax and hemp seeds, lots of garlic and garlic capsules....I think that's everything, but he is NOT getting better! It seemed like his upper body was starting to clear up and then it just spread like wild fire down his legs. Now, his arms are back to how they were before and his legs are covered. I'd have to say like 85-90% of his body is completly covered in eczema. His neck and ears are oozing and bleeding. His skin is so thin on his arms that when he itches it, it breaks open and starts to bleed. His legs look different from his arms, more like what most people's eczema looks like, it's red round dry patches that are more circular. His upper body and arms are just completly tomato red, his neck is probably the worst, it kind of feels like leather. We are EXTREMELY discouraged!!!! I guess we thought will all this it would at least be showing signs of improvement instead of worsening. What do you think? Oh, and he says he has a "metalic"y taste in his mouth and the stuff that is oozing out of his smells metallicy. I think he's detoxing bad but he's so sick of hearing that from me!!! Just wondered what your thoughts are. Thanks!
What about soaps and shampoos (SLS and other detergents)?  Food allergies?  Is there a food that makes it worse?  Deodorant?  Toothpaste?  A certain type of fabric (sheets, bedspread, matress, clothing, winter coats/hats/gloves), a toxin at work that's not at home, or something at home that's not at work?  Metal fillings in his mouth?  Aluminum in the diet?  Medications?  Hair Spray?  After Shave?  Something on the kids?  Something he drinks (energy drinks, juice, etc)? Something in the car?  A certain room of the house better or worse?  Mold/Mildew in the walls or matress?

Keep in mind, the things above may or may not be the ultimate cause, but could exacerbate other problems.  SLS for instance has been known to cause eczema caused by leaky gut and/or food intolerance to worsen even though SLS was not the original cause of the condition. 

If you can, you might consider keeping a daily journal and record his activities.  Keep records of when it's the worst and when it's the best and see if you can pinpoint the cause.

If he's detoxing some sort of metals - can you think of anytime that he was exposed to heavy metals for a long duration?  Vaccines?  Aluminum?  Lead?  Has he ever been shot (lead bullet)?  Has he ever broken any bones and had metal pins surgically implanted?  Is he a welder or a foundry worker?  Maybe you need to add a chelate to his regimin?  Also, if he's detoxing through the skin any oils that you apply for the symptoms could slow the process by sealing in the toxins.  I realize he's in alot of pain, so you might take YooperMama's advice on the Sea Salt baths.  Not having experienced this, myself, I can't say whether or not this would sting his already sensitive skin, but if he can tolerate it, it might help to flush the toxins from his skin.

Also, if you think he's detoxing metals, I would make sure he's not putting any more in his body - no iron supplements, no deodorants containing aluminum, no aluminum pans for cooking (if possible), etc.  Here's a thread on it.
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1020.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1020.0.html)
One other alternative would be to slow down the detoxing process to make it more tolerable, but of course the price for this would be that it might take longer, but he might be able to tolerate the process better if it was slowed (by taking less supplements).  It's probably a good idea to get it out as quickly as possible and I realize his patience is running thin.  Just trying to give you every possible suggestion I can think of.

I wish I had easy answers for you.  I know how overwhelming this must be for both of you.  I'll pray for your ability to find the answer soon.  Hang in there.  Don't give up.

If I think of anything else, I'll post it.

~hb
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: YoopreMama March 16, 2007, 05:22:45 PM
HB,
What a thorough, helpful reply.  Wise woman you are.   :-* 
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: SarahK March 16, 2007, 05:44:25 PM
If he's detoxing some sort of metals - can you think of anytime that he was exposed to heavy metals for a long duration?  Vaccines?  Aluminum?  Lead? 

Lead is also found in Old paint.  Not post-1980s latex paint - but the old, old stuff.  It gets stirred up when remodeling an older home with lead paint under wallpaper, other paint, etc.  Old pipes can have lead solder.  It also ends up in the soil around older homes as the paint peels off and falls to the ground year after year.  It was occasionally used in some wood finising -not paint- like a varnish years ago.  There are other symptoms of lead poisoning like memory loss, anemia, and such. 

I was a Public Health nurse in my 'former life' but I mostly worked with children with lead exposure.  I don't remember adult specific symptoms beyond those listed.
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: Naomismama March 17, 2007, 04:04:17 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions, we've been trying to discuss all the aspects of this problem. We live a pretty simple basic life, chemical free, no sls, no aluminum, no toxins, as much organic as we can afford, so there really isn't much that could be irritating him in our home. I make all our food from scratch (nothing packaged/processed at ALL) make our laundry detergent, use tiny scraps of dryer sheets, natural soaps, vinegar and baking soda for cleaning, NO OTC or prescriptions drugs in a few years....BUT we did live the standard american way as far as diet and seeing MD's for all our life until just a few years ago. We both got all our childhood vaccines, have been on lots of antibiotics, otc drugs, ate dead foods, etd. SO, this could be his body just purging itself of all the junk that he had in our body for the past years of his life.
OH! BTW, here's an awesome story of how GREAT and MERCIFUL our Lord is! I was asking the Lord to send someone our way who could help give us a definative answer to all this because we were really discouraged Friday. So, I ran into town to go to the bank and when I came out there was a car parked next to mine that had "becky rupert, homeopathic cunsultant" on the side door!!!!! I was beside myself. Being the over excited type that I am, I waited for her to come out and when she did I stopped her and told her she was my answer to prayer! LOL  :D She probably thought I was NUTS but humored me and talked with me for a while. So, we will probably make an appointment with her soon and (hopefully) get some definative answers. THANKS to all of you for your prayers, I will keep you posted and if you think of anything, we appreciate any suggestions. You have all been extremely helpful! My husband and I are praying for the Lord's blessing in your lives too!!!! ;)
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: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 03:41:05 PM
I just found a fanstastic article for healing leaky gut!!!!  It is very comprehensive.  It is called "How to Restore Digestive Health"  on www.westonaprice.org.

Short paraphrase of something I found exciting:

Probiotics with HSOs (homeostatic soil organisms) returned very leaky guts to high levels of normal in just ninety days.

It also talks about bad fats being so bad and coconut oil and grassfed butter being key to healing the gut.  Some stuff we already knew, but you've got to read the article because there is so much more.  Maybe somebody who's computer savvy can post a link. 
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: YoopreMama April 13, 2007, 04:27:28 PM
Here's the article on restoring digestive health:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/restore_digestivehealth.html

Jordan's stuff is good...he has lots of books out...Maker's Diet, most recently. We've read his stuff....good article!   :)
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: healthybratt May 24, 2007, 08:58:47 AM
For any who are interested in further researching this topic, I have gone back to my original post (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644) and added my sources to the bottom of the thread.

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: healthybratt July 04, 2007, 01:44:28 AM
I have a friend who has been suffering from eczema for many years.   I finally talked him into a candida/leaky gut regimen.  He's been taking the full recommended dosage of Yeast Assassin & Acidophilus Blast and 4 NOW CLO softgels a day for about 3 weeks.

He reports, before taking, he had almost constant indigestion and heart burn.  This has improved to occasional episodes only.  He noted that he feels more energized after 6 hours of sleep a night and before was having trouble staying alert at work.  He has also said that his eczema is itching much less.  I'll keep reporting to let you know how he's doing.
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: momofskc July 25, 2007, 06:40:34 PM
I have a question about candida and leaky gut.  I am 99% positive that I have this and am having some very weird symptoms of maybe AI related things, but the one thing that I don't have and have never had is any skin related problems, no eczema, no rashes, no itching.  Does that rule out the candida and leaky gut problem?  I do seem to be getting more moles and have some skin tags  in my bra area.  Is this related somehow?
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: Pastorswife2B July 26, 2007, 07:34:38 AM
I have a question about candida and leaky gut.  I am 99% positive that I have this and am having some very weird symptoms of maybe AI related things, but the one thing that I don't have and have never had is any skin related problems, no eczema, no rashes, no itching.  Does that rule out the candida and leaky gut problem?  I do seem to be getting more moles and have some skin tags  in my bra area.  Is this related somehow?

My experiences with leaky gut (a FIL and my son) neither have experienced skin related issues.  They both have some extreme food allergies and my son has had some diaper rash issues due to some toxic bowels, but I think that was a 'secondary' cause from his LG. 

-Heather
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: momofskc July 26, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
Thank you Heather, for taking the time to respond.  I guess what I need to do now is start with a good plan to fix these problems.  It does seem to be getting worse and worse. I could tell before that the symptoms came and went.  I would have some good days and some bad.  WEll, for about 4 months now I haven't had a "good" day.  Everyday I seem to feel a little worse.  It is hard for me to focus on getting a comprehensive attack plan together when my head feels so fuzzy and distracted.  I guess I will have to write everything down. 

I love and appreciate everyone who contributes to this site and I thank the Lord above for leading me here to get so many good informative answers to problems that I had no clue about.  Thank you all!
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: healthybratt July 26, 2007, 01:31:04 PM
I guess what I need to do now is start with a good plan to fix these problems.  ...I guess I will have to write everything down.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
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: leslieincali August 12, 2007, 07:14:20 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions, we've been trying to discuss all the aspects of this problem. We live a pretty simple basic life, chemical free, no sls, no aluminum, no toxins, as much organic as we can afford, so there really isn't much that could be irritating him in our home. I make all our food from scratch (nothing packaged/processed at ALL) make our laundry detergent, use tiny scraps of dryer sheets, natural soaps, vinegar and baking soda for cleaning, NO OTC or prescriptions drugs in a few years....BUT we did live the standard american way as far as diet and seeing MD's for all our life until just a few years ago. We both got all our childhood vaccines, have been on lots of antibiotics, otc drugs, ate dead foods, etd. SO, this could be his body just purging itself of all the junk that he had in our body for the past years of his life.
OH! BTW, here's an awesome story of how GREAT and MERCIFUL our Lord is! I was asking the Lord to send someone our way who could help give us a definative answer to all this because we were really discouraged Friday. So, I ran into town to go to the bank and when I came out there was a car parked next to mine that had "becky rupert, homeopathic cunsultant" on the side door!!!!! I was beside myself. Being the over excited type that I am, I waited for her to come out and when she did I stopped her and told her she was my answer to prayer! LOL  :D She probably thought I was NUTS but humored me and talked with me for a while. So, we will probably make an appointment with her soon and (hopefully) get some definative answers. THANKS to all of you for your prayers, I will keep you posted and if you think of anything, we appreciate any suggestions. You have all been extremely helpful! My husband and I are praying for the Lord's blessing in your lives too!!!! ;)

Hi there. I don't know if you are still reading this are not or want anymore suggestions, but if it helps great! My son had eczema on his eyelids. Not anywhere near your husbands, but irritating. When we switched to raw milk, it was gone within a week and has never come back. Might be worth a shot.  Leslie
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: grocerygetter August 29, 2007, 03:36:36 PM
I know (from HB :)) that I need to kill my candida...I'm nursing and can't take Yeast Assassin. Is coconut oil and raw pumpkin seeds enough?! That seems so simple. How much of each should I consume and for how long? Thanks!
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: healthybratt August 29, 2007, 05:33:15 PM
I know (from HB :)) that I need to kill my candida...I'm nursing and can't take Yeast Assassin. Is coconut oil and raw pumpkin seeds enough?! That seems so simple. How much of each should I consume and for how long? Thanks!

Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant [or Nursing] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
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: calina September 02, 2007, 01:23:33 PM
My daughter had a similar eczema rash over her entire body from the time she came out of my womb.  We found out she was allergic to gluten, wheat, and milk. Check out celiac disease and/or the skin condition called dermatitis herpitiformis. sp?   When I took these out of her diet the rash disappeared.  She is also on prescription nystatin.  An added bonus, her autistic behaviors improved. 
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: grocerygetter September 02, 2007, 02:15:08 PM
My daughter had a similar eczema rash over her entire body from the time she came out of my womb.  We found out she was allergic to gluten, wheat, and milk. Check out celiac disease and/or the skin condition called dermatitis herpitiformis. sp?   When I took these out of her diet the rash disappeared.  She is also on prescription nystatin.  An added bonus, her autistic behaviors improved. 

Did you ever try treating her for Leaky Gut/Candida? Or did you just cut those products from her diet? Thanks so much for sharing with me :)
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: YoopreMama September 03, 2007, 02:36:45 PM
Check out celiac disease and/or the skin condition called dermatitis herpitiformis. sp?  
There is a thread on this:
Dermatitis [Atopic] Herpetiformis: Celiac Disease of the Skin (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1364.0.html)
Could you share your experience there, please?   :)
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: InEverything September 03, 2007, 09:04:08 PM
Does anyone else have really loud digestion?  :P It can be so embarrassing at times.  I was wondering if this was a sign of leaky gut..it sounds like there is hole somewhere inside that should not be there!  It doesn't happen everyday but often enough to be irritating.  Any thoughts on this?
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: calina September 04, 2007, 02:07:12 AM
At first we just made diet changes.  But she would occasionally be given her problem foods.  When we became serious about the GFCF diet, as well as avoiding corn, soy, and red dyes and taking an antifungal, the skin rash and sensitivity to sound, etc. improved within 2-3 weeks time.  Nystatin is a prescription antifungal to treat her candida.  She has been on it over a year now.  It seems to be a daily battle because if she misses a dose she becomes constipated.   I've tried her on many different probiotics, but have found none that agree with her.  Many of them contain small amounts of milk products which she is severly allergic to.  Just another thought, we have to buy her a special rice "milk" from allergygrocer.com.  We found that the whole foods brand that she had been drinking contained added vitamins A and D.  This seemed to exacerbate her candida problem as well.
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: InEverything September 04, 2007, 12:23:11 PM
Does anyone else have really loud digestion?  :P It can be so embarrassing at times.  I was wondering if this was a sign of leaky gut..it sounds like there is hole somewhere inside that should not be there!  It doesn't happen everyday but often enough to be irritating.  Any thoughts on this?

It seems like a silly question but I was really wanting to know if there are others with this problem.  My husband looks at me like I am from Mars when he hears all of my digestion noises.  So... BUMP
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: hodgy September 04, 2007, 01:11:24 PM
My digestion used to be REALLY loud.  I got the crazy looks too!  It did seem to be worse with certain foods.  Looking back, I now believe this was the beginning of candida overgrowth in the gut for me.  Of course, it had to get to the way dangerous stage for me to begin to research it.  I think I'm a little too late at times.  Now my digestion is completely, sickeningly silent.  Like there's nothing going on in there.  When I take digestive enzymes it gets noisy some, but not like before.  If you're not already, I say grab the probiotics and start some cleansing! HTH
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: InEverything September 04, 2007, 07:26:49 PM
My digestion used to be REALLY loud.  I got the crazy looks too!  It did seem to be worse with certain foods.  Looking back, I now believe this was the beginning of candida overgrowth in the gut for me.  Of course, it had to get to the way dangerous stage for me to begin to research it.  I think I'm a little too late at times.  Now my digestion is completely, sickeningly silent.  Like there's nothing going on in there.  When I take digestive enzymes it gets noisy some, but not like before.  If you're not already, I say grab the probiotics and start some cleansing! HTH

Hi Hodgy..good to hear from you.  Do you mind giving more specifics about your own candida regime?  My symptoms are loud digestion  :D, hypoglycemia, skin disorders, brain fog  :D
Here is my basic "diet":
whole grains, meat, eggs, coffee with cream (one cup per day), fruit, vegetables, very little sugar, kombucha, apple cider vinegar, tea.  I am going to start making kefir again.  I want to avoid supplements for now if possible.  Thanks!
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: hodgy September 05, 2007, 05:23:59 AM
Hey InEverything,  my regime is pretty intense.  Almost like my sole purpose in life is to fight yeast! :D  I have just limited my diet even more due to suspected food allergy issues.  I cut out dairy, and eggs, and most grains.  So what DO I eat you're probably thinking?  Well, I picked up this book, The Ph miracle, and it has a TON of recipes using mainly green/non-starchy veggies and herbs.  I eat a lot of avocados, broccoli, cauliflower, celery, lemons and limes, coconut oil, fresh seeds and nuts.  I try to drink as much Fiji water as I can.(usually 3 ltrs or more a day,that gets expensive)  As far as supplements, I take a multi, oil of oregano, GSE, caprylic acid, uva ursi, homeopathic candida drops, extra biotin, b-complex and of course I rotate lots of different brands of probiotic.  I can't do garlic anymore.  And I continuously use HEEL detox kit.  It is awesome and really helps clear brain fog etc.  Oh yeah! you gotta get the fiber in there too.  I rotate that as well. Psyllium, glucomannon, and inulin.  I feel like I'm leaving a bunch out , but if it comes to me I'll post again! HTH
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: InEverything September 05, 2007, 08:06:33 AM
Hey InEverything,  my regime is pretty intense.  Almost like my sole purpose in life is to fight yeast! :D  I have just limited my diet even more due to suspected food allergy issues.  I cut out dairy, and eggs, and most grains.  So what DO I eat you're probably thinking?  Well, I picked up this book, The Ph miracle, and it has a TON of recipes using mainly green/non-starchy veggies and herbs.  I eat a lot of avocados, broccoli, cauliflower, celery, lemons and limes, coconut oil, fresh seeds and nuts.  I try to drink as much Fiji water as I can.(usually 3 ltrs or more a day,that gets expensive)  As far as supplements, I take a multi, oil of oregano, GSE, caprylic acid, uva ursi, homeopathic candida drops, extra biotin, b-complex and of course I rotate lots of different brands of probiotic.  I can't do garlic anymore.  And I continuously use HEEL detox kit.  It is awesome and really helps clear brain fog etc.  Oh yeah! you gotta get the fiber in there too.  I rotate that as well. Psyllium, glucomannon, and inulin.  I feel like I'm leaving a bunch out , but if it comes to me I'll post again! HTH
I will use this as a reference, thank you.  The HEEL detox kit looks interesting.  I don't know if I have as much willpower as you so I am taking a much more gradual route. This may or may not work???  If I have any hidden food allergies they have hidden themselves pretty well.  Were yours more obvious?
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: just jane September 05, 2007, 09:44:33 AM
Hodgy,  if you rotate probiotics have you ever tried "The Ultimate Probiotic" made by Swanson?   It has 62 billion per capsule at the time of manufactoring.
The price is 14.99 for 30 capsules + shipp.   It looks good to me.  jj
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: hodgy September 05, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
To InEverything, my food allergies were actually not very outward at all.  It took me forever to figure it out. ::)  I only caught on to them when I went on vacactiona and was out of my normal routine(still low carb fresh veggies but no kefir, yogurt or eggs) and noticed I didn't have the annoying post nasal drip and thick mucus action. :D  Therefore I started a rotation diet and noticed big improvement in alot of symptoms I thought were yeast related.

To JJ, I like the sound of that probiotic!  It would be awesome for that price to have that many cultures.  I have to pay about $50 for the "ultimate" probiotics I take.  One has 50 billion and the other is primal defense, can't remember the exact amount in that.  Thanks for the info!
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: InEverything September 05, 2007, 05:42:43 PM
To InEverything, my food allergies were actually not very outward at all.  It took me forever to figure it out. ::)  I only caught on to them when I went on vacactiona and was out of my normal routine(still low carb fresh veggies but no kefir, yogurt or eggs) and noticed I didn't have the annoying post nasal drip and thick mucus action. :D  Therefore I started a rotation diet and noticed big improvement in alot of symptoms I thought were yeast related.


So you have a dairy allergy?  I would really have to get some willpower to try the rotation diet.  I try to do things in moderation anyway (lessening possible allergies), I would like to believe that a lot of candida symptoms would go away if I consisitently kept my diet varied enough.  Have you heard of the Weigh Down Diet?  It has such a wonderful biblical perspective and does mention that moderation can cut down on allergies. Since following it (about six years) I have kept off about ten pounds and had very little weight gain in pregnancy (w/ the last two babies over eight pounds).  However, Weigh Down doesn't address health issues like candida and the problems that go with it.  
Are you able to eat problem foods occasionally?
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: amy3js October 22, 2007, 07:27:40 PM
If you are trying to rid your body of candida, is it ok to eat rice, potatoes, corn and carrots?
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: J.Smith December 10, 2007, 08:30:45 AM
When I was reading the yeast infection thread, I came across this, and it really got my attention.
I Have had an off/on yeast infection for like a month. I have used monostat 3 times this month. It helps while I'm using it and with in 3 days my symptoms are back. VERY FUSTRATING!!! >:(
The kicker about the leaky gut thing is I also have Fibromyalgia... I was diagnosed in April 2004. So now I'm wondering what I should do. I've been in a flare up for just over a month, so if I have Leaky Gut... 
How do I kill the parasites, than kill the fungi, than repair with acidopholis... I take acidopholis everyday along with a ton of other supplements.
I'm confused and excited at the same time because I may be able to finally get rid of the FM!!!! Please tell me what you think I should do. Thank you!!!!
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: amy3js December 29, 2007, 12:23:58 PM
Ok, so after reading through here and a couple other things, how long do those of you who have done it, suggest being on a candida diet? For instance, I want to cut all carbs, sugars and starches out for a set period of time while taking TT and YA. So how long would you suggest?
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: healthybratt December 30, 2007, 05:35:23 AM
Ok, so after reading through here and a couple other things, how long do those of you who have done it, suggest being on a candida diet? For instance, I want to cut all carbs, sugars and starches out for a set period of time while taking TT and YA. So how long would you suggest?
I would go virtually carb free for about two weeks at the very least and up to four if you can manage it.  I went 2 solid weeks at under 30 carbs per day and then I incorporated wheat toast and whole grain hot cereals in week 3. Then I began to eat carbs as I desired them, but found the desire was lower and some things didn't even taste good to me anymore.  I continued the YA & TT for 10 months.  I stopped after 4 but symptoms returned so I continued another 6 months and things were good.
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: amy3js January 01, 2008, 01:53:30 PM
Ok, so after reading through here and a couple other things, how long do those of you who have done it, suggest being on a candida diet? For instance, I want to cut all carbs, sugars and starches out for a set period of time while taking TT and YA. So how long would you suggest?
I would go virtually carb free for about two weeks at the very least and up to four if you can manage it.  I went 2 solid weeks at under 30 carbs per day and then I incorporated wheat toast and whole grain hot cereals in week 3. Then I began to eat carbs as I desired them, but found the desire was lower and some things didn't even taste good to me anymore.  I continued the YA & TT for 10 months.  I stopped after 4 but symptoms returned so I continued another 6 months and things were good.

OH wow! Ok, I though I would have to go a lot longer than that, so that is not as bad as I thought! Do you think starting carb free before I am able to get the YA and TT is a good idea? Or would it not be very beneficial?
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: healthybratt January 02, 2008, 07:01:32 AM
Ok, so after reading through here and a couple other things, how long do those of you who have done it, suggest being on a candida diet? For instance, I want to cut all carbs, sugars and starches out for a set period of time while taking TT and YA. So how long would you suggest?
I would go virtually carb free for about two weeks at the very least and up to four if you can manage it.  I went 2 solid weeks at under 30 carbs per day and then I incorporated wheat toast and whole grain hot cereals in week 3. Then I began to eat carbs as I desired them, but found the desire was lower and some things didn't even taste good to me anymore.  I continued the YA & TT for 10 months.  I stopped after 4 but symptoms returned so I continued another 6 months and things were good.

OH wow! Ok, I though I would have to go a lot longer than that, so that is not as bad as I thought! Do you think starting carb free before I am able to get the YA and TT is a good idea? Or would it not be very beneficial?
If you're up to it, then going carb free would be good for you even without the supplements.  It would give you a head start and the YA will come in and "sweep up" so to speak.  The TT will be to ensure that the little beasties don't come back.  ;D
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: amy3js January 02, 2008, 12:22:35 PM
Ok, so after reading through here and a couple other things, how long do those of you who have done it, suggest being on a candida diet? For instance, I want to cut all carbs, sugars and starches out for a set period of time while taking TT and YA. So how long would you suggest?
I would go virtually carb free for about two weeks at the very least and up to four if you can manage it.  I went 2 solid weeks at under 30 carbs per day and then I incorporated wheat toast and whole grain hot cereals in week 3. Then I began to eat carbs as I desired them, but found the desire was lower and some things didn't even taste good to me anymore.  I continued the YA & TT for 10 months.  I stopped after 4 but symptoms returned so I continued another 6 months and things were good.

OH wow! Ok, I though I would have to go a lot longer than that, so that is not as bad as I thought! Do you think starting carb free before I am able to get the YA and TT is a good idea? Or would it not be very beneficial?
If you're up to it, then going carb free would be good for you even without the supplements.  It would give you a head start and the YA will come in and "sweep up" so to speak.  The TT will be to ensure that the little beasties don't come back.  ;D

Ok, thank you! That is what I was thinking. I just needed some more wisdom on the subject.  ::) ;D
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: Happy-N-England January 09, 2008, 04:03:01 AM
My dd and I have a problem with yeast.  We have been cleaning for 2 weeks.  Our diet is very restricted.  We eat:
meat,
low carb veg,
1 green apple a day,
1 TBS honey,
and she gets about 1/2 c brown rice a day

We had been eating about 1/2 c homemade yogurt a day but we were still getting the bloating and abdominal pain that we associate with gluten and casein, so I took that out.  The problem is, we are still having the pain.

 ???Do I put the yogurt back into our diet and wait for the pain to stop?  Am I not giving the cleanse enough time?

Another problem I have is with bowl movements ( :Peww, I know).  I have normally been a once a week person and I had just gotten myself to once a day but since we started our cleanse I am not going at all.  I had to do an enema and I am still not going on my own.  I read in another post that you had a similar problem HB.  Do I just wait it out?  Keep doing the enemas?  I have looked at the constipated page and I am drinking salt water but that is not helping either.

Thank you all for all the wonderful information you have made available.
Happy

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: healthybratt January 14, 2008, 06:00:59 AM
I only did an enema for my liver when I was on the master cleanse.  Never did it while cleansing for yeast.  The salt water drinking only makes me feel worse--don't like it either.  If you're in need of a laxative, epsom salt will clean you out better and faster than sea salt IMO.

My guess is that you are experiencing some dieoff and if you're not going to the bathroom, this would obviously cause some abdominal upset.  I don't know if you're taking any supplements, but if it were me, I think I would be taking YA or Garlic and skipping on the apple and the honey.  Drinking plenty of water (lots and lots of water) and getting plenty of rest to help get me through it.  To help with the ongoing constipation, you might try some ground flax seed daily.  This will not hinder your yeast cleansing and it's got great fiber and tastes good sprinkled on foods as a condiment (even peanut butter).  ;D
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: Happy-N-England February 01, 2008, 02:48:59 AM
I am still having problems.  I started out the new year doing the diet from Doug Kaufmann's Fungus Link.  He doesn't restrict carbs, that I could see.  That wasn't working, so I started counting my carbs too and I am still having problems.  The only time I am going #2 is when I do an enema, drink epsom salt, or fast and only have watter and chicken broth.  Am I missing something?  I have done the Fungus Link before and had great results... I just never did it for a long period of time.  My goals this time were to really heal my self of food intolerences. I have to eat GFCF. 

This is what my diet has looked like for the past 2 weeks

3 eggs                                1.8g
1/4C sourcrout                       .5g
1 1/2C Spinach                       .6g
1/2C goat yogurt                   8.6g
1/2C berries                          5.0g
1C lentils                                 .7g
Chicken
caned salmon
4-6 lt of watter
Ground flax seed
Cod Liver oil pills
Aloe Vera 25MG

Total Carbs                           16.6g

Am I doing anything that would cause constipation?

Thank you for any help
HIE
               
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: healthybratt February 01, 2008, 01:08:15 PM
I am still having problems.  I started out the new year doing the diet from Doug Kaufmann's Fungus Link.  He doesn't restrict carbs, that I could see.  That wasn't working, so I started counting my carbs too and I am still having problems.  The only time I am going #2 is when I do an enema, drink epsom salt, or fast and only have watter and chicken broth.  Am I missing something?  I have done the Fungus Link before and had great results... I just never did it for a long period of time.  My goals this time were to really heal my self of food intolerences. I have to eat GFCF. 

This is what my diet has looked like for the past 2 weeks

3 eggs                                1.8g
1/4C sourcrout                       .5g
1 1/2C Spinach                       .6g
1/2C goat yogurt                   8.6g
1/2C berries                          5.0g
1C lentils                                 .7g
Chicken
caned salmon
4-6 lt of watter
Ground flax seed
Cod Liver oil pills
Aloe Vera 25MG

Total Carbs                           16.6g

Am I doing anything that would cause constipation?

Thank you for any help
HIE
               
Were you constipated before you started?

I tend to get constipated when I eat too many dark green veggies because of the high amounts of Iron in them.

I don't see anything else in your diet that would cause it.

It might be die-off but it seems like this would have been finished long before now.

My other thought is parasites.  Have you taken/eaten anything to rid the body of other parasites besides yeast?  In abundance, these can definitely cause digestive upset.

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: Happy-N-England February 02, 2008, 01:50:48 PM
We eat figs and raw pumpkin seeds but I went over and looked at the parasite thread and we will be adding more foods to our diet for that, while attempting to keep things moving and keeping our carb counts low.  I will be trying to limit my veg that is high in iron for a while too, see if that will help.

Thank you for the advice
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: healthybratt February 08, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
There's a 2-part podcast that just came out this month related to this topic. 

backtobasicspodcast.com (http://backtobasicspodcast.com)

It's the 2 on the GI Tract
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: pljammie February 16, 2008, 05:11:31 PM
OK...after several days of reading about yeasts on here, I'm wondering if this is part of all our allergies.  We are all going on the very low carb starting Monday.  Connor, my hyperactive, always hungry, sugar craving son failed the spit test yesterday morning..although he quite enjoyed spitting in a cup...lol.  Anyway, I have a question about the probiotic.  We don't live in a large city so there isn't too much available here.  In the past we have used Lactinex for diarrhea, upset tummies, etc.  You can get it at the pharmacy.  It contains lactobaccillus.  Is this strong enough for a probiotic?  I noticed that a large HEB near here, but a little farther than our regular grocery store, also carries a refrigerated probiotic and I think it had more than one type in it.  Would the one with more types of bacteria be better?  I can get most anything in the NOW brand.  Does anyone know if NOW has an antiviral/antifungal? 

Thanks and wish us luck...

Jammie 
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: morningglory February 16, 2008, 06:04:29 PM
OK...after several days of reading about yeasts on here, I'm wondering if this is part of all our allergies.  We are all going on the very low carb starting Monday.  Connor, my hyperactive, always hungry, sugar craving son failed the spit test yesterday morning..although he quite enjoyed spitting in a cup...lol.  Anyway, I have a question about the probiotic.  We don't live in a large city so there isn't too much available here.  In the past we have used Lactinex for diarrhea, upset tummies, etc.  You can get it at the pharmacy.  It contains lactobaccillus.  Is this strong enough for a probiotic?  I noticed that a large HEB near here, but a little farther than our regular grocery store, also carries a refrigerated probiotic and I think it had more than one type in it.  Would the one with more types of bacteria be better?  I can get most anything in the NOW brand.  Does anyone know if NOW has an antiviral/antifungal? 

Thanks and wish us luck...

Jammie 

IMO, the more strains the better.  You can make kombucha, a lacto-fermented tea, very inexpensively at home.  There are many threads on this site about how to get started making your own. 

NOW has a website where they sell most of their products for about half price. 

http://www.thecatalog.com/

Gr8dohpilus is one of their probiotics, and it has a good range of bacteria.  They also sell Pau D'Arco caps and anti-candida formulas.  In my experience, nothing works better than garlic and Pau D'Arco tea.  You can buy Pau D'Arco from

http://www.bulkherbstore.com/
or
www.mountainroseherbs.com

I hear you about not being in a big city, although I wouldn't trade.  If I were you, I'd go ahead with your plan to start on Monday and use some garlic, and order your herbs and probiotics so they'll be there soon.  Do your anitfungal and probiotics at different times of the day so they don't cancel each other out, i.e. garlic or Pau D'Arco in the morning, probiotics before bed.  HTH!
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: healthybratt February 16, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
Candida Clear & Gr8dophilus are both very good products from NOW.

Acidophilus is the most effective against candida alone, but the more strains in a given probiotic the better off you are.  Gr8dophilus has 8 (I think) and NOW has several other varieties of probiotics with 3 or more strains available.
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: healthybratt February 21, 2008, 03:51:36 PM
Picture (GROSS) of Gastro-Intestinal Candidiasis

http://george-eby-research.com/gif/candida-gut.jpg (http://george-eby-research.com/gif/candida-gut.jpg)
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: Cherished February 21, 2008, 06:24:43 PM
OK...after several days of reading about yeasts on here, I'm wondering if this is part of all our allergies....
   
Thanks and wish us luck...

Jammie 

This is my first time posting, but I've been reading through these threads for over a year now(mainly I don't have much time to spend at it.) But....

I have a success story with allergies & yeast! This past October I cut out all refined sugar just for health's sake. (Other than that I think I eat pretty well !) The next week I had a low fever all week, no other symptoms. The week after that I broke out in hives in many places (especially my elbows & kknees) I was taking YA, TTup & garlic, because I had suspected yeast with different itchy places. The week after that, my allergies, which so far only consisted of a drippy nose off and on started getting much worse...I had never even considereed myself as someone with allergies. I suspected the wool projects I was working on, my dusty house, mold growth in the utility rm, etc. So I cleaned all that up as well as I could, but I was still feeling miserable! I had a constant drippy/stuffy/itchy nose, itchy, sore throat that never went away, histimine reactions off & on for no apparent reason. Then I started looking at food allergies, although nothing's ever bothered me before. I did some research online to see if by any chance allergies and yeast overgrowth could be related. There I found my answer! Two weeks before Christmas I did a 2 week yeast cleanse diet (along with my supplements). That helped some right away. I was very dilligent through the holidays and had NO SUGAR which was a first for me. My treat was bread and dried fruit in moderation.

By the new year I realized my symptoms were less & less. Finally came a week that my throat felt normal and and I hadn't had a reaction all week. Oh, and through all this, I was getting a vaginal infection every month right before my period. The 2nd week in January I did a 5-day colon cleanse, fasting using apple juice to drink my herb packet in 4 times a day. By the end of the week I had another BAD infection. After the cleanse I cut way back on fruit and bread for a few days, and continued supplements throughout. My allergies have completely gone, but I still have itchy places that I'd like to see go. And I'd like to go a month without an infection too.

Here it is the end of Feb. I have been off sugar for 4 months (YAY!) I use honey only about once a week for some homemade, raw cream ice cream. I'm trying to use less bread & experiment with unleavened bread (I bake all our own whole wheat bread). Bread and fruit are my weaknesses, but I'm making improvements. Also, I've decided I can't afford months and months of supplements, so I've kept Supermom & Cod Liver Oil (my kids are brainwashed into loving it! You just have to start them young.) And I'm gulping down a clove of garlic after each meal (except for when I'm going out). My kids think I stink, but hubby is taking it too, so we don't mind each other. I eat homemade raw yoghurt almost every day, but I think I probably could use TTup still. I'm planning to make some beet kvass tomorrow, but have no idea how much of that I can drink. (I absolutly LOVE Nourishing Traditions.)

Thank you all for the time spent in posting your ideas and experiences. It really has helped and continues to help me put the pieces of my puzzle together. 
 
P.S. I think my die-off continued at different levels for weeks!
C
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: healthybratt February 21, 2008, 07:10:44 PM
Thanks for posting your experiences.  I hope you get it all figured out very soon.  It feels great to feel great.  ;)
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: bpryor April 13, 2008, 05:33:26 AM
I am in the middle of a Candida Cleanse diet.  I'm nursing, so have been taking it a little slower.  I went 5 days without sugar, carbs, or dairy of any kind.  I experienced die-off, and now I'm starting to add in low glycemic index foods such as avacados and I tried a grapefruit.  That was yesterday, and last night I saw signs of my yeast infection coming back. 

So my question is this:  If you have already experienced die-off, and your symptoms start to reappear, do you need to do the cleanse again?  Or can you just cut out the aggravating foods?
Thanks!
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: healthybratt April 13, 2008, 05:51:59 AM
I am in the middle of a Candida Cleanse diet.  I'm nursing, so have been taking it a little slower.  I went 5 days without sugar, carbs, or dairy of any kind.  I experienced die-off, and now I'm starting to add in low glycemic index foods such as avacados and I tried a grapefruit.  That was yesterday, and last night I saw signs of my yeast infection coming back. 

So my question is this:  If you have already experienced die-off, and your symptoms start to reappear, do you need to do the cleanse again?  Or can you just cut out the aggravating foods?
Thanks!
If you believe you have candida issues and/or leaky gut, 5 days is not nearly long enough to fix the problem.  This is a condition that usually takes months to develop from immune system breakdown.  Fixing it will take as long or longer to fix.  If the only thing you've done to fix the problem is to reduce carbs, then you're probably not doing enough.  You need to consider antifungals of some kind.  Probiotics are a MUST to keep the yeast from coming back in force.  Generally a diet/lifestyle change over time will be in order to keep things running smoothly.

For more information, check the very first post in this thread.
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: Grace April 15, 2008, 05:42:08 AM
My  DH has a skin problem/rash that he can't seem to get rid of. I think it is yeast related. So he is going to do the candida diet. I am trying to figure this all out, but sooo much info! My plan at this point is: Follow the makers diet Phase 1 and 2(except not adding in the fruit in phase 2) and YA(2 AM and 2 PM) and TTU(I don't know how many? suggestions??) Does this sound like the right thing? And how long should I do this for? THANKS!!!! And when might he see results(like the rash clearing up?)?
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: healthybratt April 15, 2008, 07:22:51 AM
My  DH has a skin problem/rash that he can't seem to get rid of. I think it is yeast related. So he is going to do the candida diet. I am trying to figure this all out, but sooo much info! My plan at this point is: Follow the makers diet Phase 1 and 2(except not adding in the fruit in phase 2) and YA(2 AM and 2 PM) and TTU(I don't know how many? suggestions??) Does this sound like the right thing? And how long should I do this for? THANKS!!!! And when might he see results(like the rash clearing up?)?

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
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: Grace April 17, 2008, 05:58:37 AM
I have seen several people say "until the yeast is gone or cured..." How will I know when it is gone? My DH is mainly doing this to get rid of a rash he has had for 4 or 5 years. But I am sure there are other things that will be helped. Is there a good book that summarizes EXACTLY what you can eat? And when to start adding stuff in...? I know there is alot of great info on WTM, but I was hoping for a very simplified, step by step.... I have read through all the threads on here.....really!  ::)
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: skelliott2 April 17, 2008, 09:42:41 AM
You'll know he's done when the rash clears up, and he feels a lot better.  This can take as little as 2 weeks or as long as 6 months, it just depends on how bad he has yeast. 

The best book I've read on the subject is 'The Body Ecology Diet' by Donna Gates.  It not only tells you how to kill the yeast, but how to recolonize good bacteria, and how to add back food when you are feeling better.  It has lists of acceptable foods as well.  I'll warn you, there's not a whole lot on the list, but this diet does work.  It helped my family tremendously. 
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: healthybratt April 18, 2008, 06:09:18 AM
The Yeast Connection Cookbook

I have seen several people say "until the yeast is gone or cured..." How will I know when it is gone? My DH is mainly doing this to get rid of a rash he has had for 4 or 5 years. But I am sure there are other things that will be helped. Is there a good book that summarizes EXACTLY what you can eat? And when to start adding stuff in...? I know there is alot of great info on WTM, but I was hoping for a very simplified, step by step.... I have read through all the threads on here.....really!  ::)
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: Grace April 18, 2008, 07:58:01 AM
The Yeast Connection Cookbook

I have seen several people say "until the yeast is gone or cured..." How will I know when it is gone? My DH is mainly doing this to get rid of a rash he has had for 4 or 5 years. But I am sure there are other things that will be helped. Is there a good book that summarizes EXACTLY what you can eat? And when to start adding stuff in...? I know there is alot of great info on WTM, but I was hoping for a very simplified, step by step.... I have read through all the threads on here.....really!  ::)
Thank you! I ordered it yesterday! Hopefully that will be the end of my ????'s! On a side note, on day 2 of his candida cleanse my DH had a pretty bad headache and weird crampy feeling in his stomach....so I think we are doing someting right! Thanks for all the help!
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: healthybratt April 22, 2008, 04:47:37 PM
I wrote an article some time back and never posted it.  It does; however have a few more explanations than my original post, so I edited my original post (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644) to include the article as a downloadable PDF if you're interested.
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: lotsagirls April 22, 2008, 04:52:23 PM
I wrote an article some time back and never posted it.  It does; however have a few more explanations than my original post, so I edited my original post (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644) to include the article as a downloadable PDF if you're interested.

Thanks for all your hard work HB! 
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: Grace April 22, 2008, 06:09:53 PM
Thanks HB!! Tons of info.....every little bit helps! Thanks for answering all my questions!
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: Cheryl June 04, 2008, 12:11:20 PM

"There is no other substance in the world like water.  You can never have too much.  There is no toxicity level.  You can drink it all day long...

...No matter what, you can't go wrong with water."
--
As  to this, I'd like to disagree.  Water toxicity is possible.  This last year during a radio contest, a young woman died from an overdose of water.  All of her electrolites were flushed from her system, resulting in death shortly after the contest.  It was a huge hullabaloo, I'll tell you.

BUT, if you add some electrolites to your water, then you should be fine.  Many just add a pinch of unrefined sea salt to do this.  Others add a splash of juice (but this is a natural sugar).  It is said by the medical profession that if your urine is clear, then you are drinking too much water.  Just be safe, everyone and don't let this scare you.  Drink your water, just make sure you have your electrolites, too.

Be healthy, everyone.

Cheryl--A lover of water (I think I'll drink some right now.)
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: healthybratt June 05, 2008, 05:18:10 AM
Maybe my statement was too general, but I would never encourage anyone to drink so much water that it would be a danger to them.

Water toxicity is a very real condition; however, it's very uncommon and for most people would be nearly impossible to achieve.

Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals have resulted either from water drinking contests, in which individuals attempt to consume more than ten litres over the course of just a few minutes, or long bouts of intensive exercise during which electrolytes are not properly replenished, yet massive amounts of fluid are still consumed.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_poisoning

I apologize for not being more clear in my original post.  ;D
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: T August 03, 2008, 08:20:45 PM
A few questions...Have any of you done a 3 day VCO fast to cure/heal leaky gut?  How about a 'slippery elm gruel' diet?  Have any of you taken more YA than recommended in a day for faster healing?  If so, with what results or side effects?  Doing some late night research since I can't sleep (due to itchy eczema caused by leaky gut) and found information leading to the first two questions on the net.  I may find out the answers are already here when I'm not so tired   ;)

I wanted to add where I found this:
 http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/intestinal-cleansing/virgin-coconut-oil-detox

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1059574#i
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: skelliott2 August 13, 2008, 03:17:31 PM
A few questions...Have any of you done a 3 day VCO fast to cure/heal leaky gut?  How about a 'slippery elm gruel' diet?  Have any of you taken more YA than recommended in a day for faster healing?  If so, with what results or side effects?  Doing some late night research since I can't sleep (due to itchy eczema caused by leaky gut) and found information leading to the first two questions on the net.  I may find out the answers are already here when I'm not so tired   ;)

I wanted to add where I found this:
 http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/intestinal-cleansing/virgin-coconut-oil-detox

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1059574#i

bump.  I'm wondering if anyone has tried this as well...
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: 4myhoonie August 13, 2008, 04:20:18 PM
A few questions...Have any of you done a 3 day VCO fast to cure/heal leaky gut?  How about a 'slippery elm gruel' diet?  Have any of you taken more YA than recommended in a day for faster healing?  If so, with what results or side effects?  Doing some late night research since I can't sleep (due to itchy eczema caused by leaky gut) and found information leading to the first two questions on the net.  I may find out the answers are already here when I'm not so tired   ;)

I wanted to add where I found this:
 http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/intestinal-cleansing/virgin-coconut-oil-detox

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1059574#i

i was thinking a 3rd dose of YA might be helpful.  haven't tried it though.  anyone else?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt October 24, 2008, 06:04:37 PM
MSM may help heal leaky gut.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1591.msg206874.html#msg206874
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: created2worship November 06, 2008, 06:38:14 AM
 
Has anyone tried water fasting to kill off Candida? If so, how long did it take and did the symptoms return once you re-introduced foods?

I'd like to try this to get rid of my candida... I'd rather tough it out through a water fast for a few weeks than have to cook alot of special foods and but expensive supplements! I read this on juicefast.org/candida:

"Longer water fasts are brutal to parasites, increasing the factors that make the body an unfriendly environment for growth and reproduction, such as low blood sugar, increased toxins in the blood and an immune system working at full intensity."

Thoughts? Thanks.

(BTW, I am eating no sugars, or wheat, and only very limited grains like brown rice and oats, and only a tiny bit of dairy (butter, no milk or yougurt), very rarely... and I would continue to eat only these foods after coming off the water fast, maybe reintroducing fruits and cheese after a few weeks. I am also taking garlic (plus eating lots raw) and acidopholous..)
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: healthybratt November 06, 2008, 06:40:38 AM

"Longer water fasts are brutal to parasites, increasing the factors that make the body an unfriendly environment for growth and reproduction, such as low blood sugar, increased toxins in the blood and an immune system working at full intensity."
This might explain why many believe that fasting brings clarity of mind.  No parasites, no toxins, no psychoactive ingredients, etc...
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: InEverything November 06, 2008, 09:40:18 AM
 
Has anyone tried water fasting to kill off Candida? If so, how long did it take and did the symptoms return once you re-introduced foods?

I'd like to try this to get rid of my candida... I'd rather tough it out through a water fast for a few weeks than have to cook alot of special foods and but expensive supplements! I read this on juicefast.org/candida:

"Longer water fasts are brutal to parasites, increasing the factors that make the body an unfriendly environment for growth and reproduction, such as low blood sugar, increased toxins in the blood and an immune system working at full intensity."

Thoughts? Thanks.

(BTW, I am eating no sugars, or wheat, and only very limited grains like brown rice and oats, and only a tiny bit of dairy (butter, no milk or yougurt), very rarely... and I would continue to eat only these foods after coming off the water fast, maybe reintroducing fruits and cheese after a few weeks. I am also taking garlic (plus eating lots raw) and acidopholous..)

I felt so good during the first two days of my short 3 day water fast.  You are tempting me to try again............. :)  Let us know if you do it and how it goes!  
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: wlwest March 26, 2009, 02:40:47 AM
Ok, I've decided to just go ahead and finally treat this problem.  I've been reading over the posts but it's so overwhelming....Can anyone tell me how long I need to avoid sugar, fruits, breads, etc?  I'm not sure exactly where to post this, here or the candida threads?

I have tummy tune up and yeast assassin.  So, I know i can do it, if I think I'm doing this right.  Do I avoid this stuff for a few weeks, and then slowly introduce them back?

We are making our own maple syrup this year, so I'm really bummed about giving that up!! :P 

wendy
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthyinOhio March 26, 2009, 03:47:35 AM
Can anyone tell me how long I need to avoid sugar, fruits, breads, etc? 

I don't think there is any set time.  Every person's body is different. With the symptoms you are having, you may need to do it longer than most.  :-\
See how you feel.  After two weeks, you may have such a miraculous change, you may NEVER want to eat the old way, again. Follow your body. (not in a corny new-agey sort of way lol) It will tell you what is good.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Mamatoto March 30, 2009, 05:43:25 AM
Can anyone tell me how long I need to avoid sugar, fruits, breads, etc? 

Different sources have different opinions:  some say one month for every year of candida symptoms, some say 8 weeks, some say 40 days, etc.  Personally, unless my candida was life-threatening, I wouldn't even consider doing it for years (I'm pretty sure my candida problem started in 6th grade).  It would be a really hard diet to stay on for a long period of time, and it also seems unhealthy be without healthy foods like fruit, raw honey, cultured dairy, whole grains, etc. for a really long time.  I personally am doing a 40 day plan, but will reassess at the end of 40 days and decide whether I think the candida is gone/under check (Are my candida symptoms gone?  Are my die-off symptoms gone?).  I will say that, so far, my worst symptoms were on Days 17, 18, 23, and 24.  Of course, everyone's body is different, but if I had stopped the diet at 2 or 3 weeks, I obviously wouldn't have gotten rid of the candida.  HTH and see you around in the Daily Log thread!
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: thus_I_fight August 28, 2009, 08:56:20 AM
All right; my brain feels like it's about to explode.  I've been reading through many of these related threads, trying to figure out what I need to do to heal leaky gut.  I don't even know for sure that I have leaky gut, but I have a number of the symptoms, and our second child has lots of food allergies, so I'm going to assume that's because I passed this on to her during pregnancy.

I'm going to attempt to summarize what I think I need to do now, and you all stop me if I'm wrong, or congratulate me if I'm right.

1.  I need to stop eating sugars, including fruits and starchy vegetables.
2.  I need to focus on a mostly low-carb diet, excluding food allergies
3.  I need to incorporate more coconut oil and garlic *
4.  I need to take a good probiotic
5.  I need to take CLO
6.  After all of this, I need to do a liver flush
7.  Then I need to do the Master Cleanse
8.  Followed by another liver flush
9.  After completing that, I need to continue eating a healthy diet, avoiding refined sugar and yeast, and continue taking the probiotic to keep the leaky gut from returning.

Does this sound right?  Are both liver flushes necessary, or can I just do one after the master cleanse?

*I am allergic to walnuts, so I don't want to take Yeast Assassin
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: T August 28, 2009, 09:08:45 AM
It sounds like you have a good starting point but I don't know if the Master Cleanse is neccesary.  Others may disagree and I'd welcome that.  Especially if they have had success with it!  It will be slow going no matter what you do so have patience!
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: thus_I_fight August 28, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Well, no, I think the master cleanse was something I decided I need to do for my own situation--not that everyone with leaky gut has to.

So, how long do you all think it will take to heal?  How will I know when it is?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: thus_I_fight August 29, 2009, 03:57:33 PM
Next question:  I'm taking a multi-vitamin/whole food supplement (Nature's Way Alive Whole Food Energizer), and was getting ready to order more.  But I'm starting this candida diet, and the vitamins contain a variety of fruit powders, and mushrooms.  Would either of those cause a problem in trying to get rid of candida?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: godsarmyof8 January 21, 2010, 08:11:19 AM
I just read of your hubby's condition and was wondering how is he now some time later?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: crystal March 23, 2010, 01:44:50 PM
Am I right that fermented foods are BAD for those with Candida/LGS?  Kombucha is fermented.  Does it count?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt March 23, 2010, 04:34:55 PM
Am I right that fermented foods are BAD for those with Candida/LGS?  Kombucha is fermented.  Does it count?
depends on who you talk to.  i believe fermented foods should be eaten in abundance if you have candida.  some bloggers and 'experts' believe that one kind of microbe (lactic acid bacteria) will exacerbate symptoms from another microbe (candida).  based on the research i've done, this is not true.

     Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal. (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html)
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: Elenita March 26, 2010, 01:51:42 PM
Isn't the sugar level in Kombucha tea a problem for treating Candida?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: healthybratt April 09, 2010, 04:38:40 PM
Isn't the sugar level in Kombucha tea a problem for treating Candida?

if it's made right, there shouldn't be any sugar left.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Elenita April 14, 2010, 03:30:43 PM


if it's made right, there shouldn't be any sugar left.
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I read that too, but (it's been a while back already) I checked on this forum about Kombucha, and I found that some people with diabetes had checked their sugar level before and after taking it. And there was still quite a bit of sugar in there. So that made me unsure about taking kombucha, as long as I'm still fighting candida.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: 4myhoonie April 16, 2010, 08:21:25 AM
even 21 day brewed kombucha will take my hubby out of ketosis for the atkins diet.  for what it's worth.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Gigi April 19, 2010, 11:38:19 AM
My experience with Kombucha is that it is about the same on my sugars as sipping juice.  1/2 cup has the same effect on my blood sugars as OJ.  Terrible, actually. 

I wish I could report something different . . .

It would seem to me that once the candida was under control, some (limited) Kombucha intake would provide some great health benefits.

HTH
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: HappyWifey April 20, 2010, 02:26:09 PM
I just thought I would let ya'll know about this link here. I had tried anti-candida diet but it wasn't working and I was discouraged with how long it would take ect. Well I found out a program that doesn't take long at all, and really works! I'm going to start it probably next week.

Here is the link. http://snh.cc/community/index.php?topic=259.0
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: boysmama April 21, 2010, 04:14:14 AM
Don't forget about following the cleanse up with healing for the issues that allowed the candida to overgrow in the first place.  :)
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: HappyWifey April 21, 2010, 06:38:17 AM
As far as I can tell it is from taking antibiotics when I was a child. I haven't had any since I was 12 or so.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Sewbusy July 10, 2010, 11:40:38 AM
For all of you who have done a candida cleanse.....  Our family is on day 4. No starches except rice(I am nursing so I need some extra) and popcorn to help fill us up. :) This is just popcorn I make with organic kernels and coconut oil and sea salt. We are "snacking" constantly, veggies, beef jerky (once again that I make just with some herbs and salt)ect.  Is it "normal" to feel constantly dizzy, winded and on the verge of passing out? I have to be careful going up stairs and often have to put my head down as I "black out" ( things go black but I am totally here still). If I don't put my head down I will pass out (happened in the past)  I feel like I am starving!! I am just wondering if all this is ok or if I am really having blood sugar issues and if so what can I do about them while keeping on the diet.  Thanks!
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Beth July 11, 2010, 01:49:57 AM
For all of you who have done a candida cleanse.....  Our family is on day 4. No starches except rice(I am nursing so I need some extra) and popcorn to help fill us up. :) This is just popcorn I make with organic kernels and coconut oil and sea salt. We are "snacking" constantly, veggies, beef jerky (once again that I make just with some herbs and salt)ect.  Is it "normal" to feel constantly dizzy, winded and on the verge of passing out? I have to be careful going up stairs and often have to put my head down as I "black out" ( things go black but I am totally here still). If I don't put my head down I will pass out (happened in the past)  I feel like I am starving!! I am just wondering if all this is ok or if I am really having blood sugar issues and if so what can I do about them while keeping on the diet.  Thanks!

wow...it does sound like you are having blood sugar issues. Be careful. Spirulina is good for keeping your blood sugar leveled out while fasting even... so I would think it would help. But I'm not sure it goes with the candida cleanse.  I'm sure someone with more experience will post. (I hope)

I need to do this cleanse myself...In a nutshell, what is it?
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: DHW July 11, 2010, 09:01:41 AM
Those could also be symptoms of adrenal fatigue.  Eat plenty of coconut oil to help you fill full.  It really sounds like you need more fats, proteins and veggie carbs. 

Don't skimp on the sea salt if you suspect adrenal issues. 

Red raspberry leaf and fenugreek teas are good for milk supply.

Wouldn't slippery elm bark be ok on the candida cleanse?  It's pretty filling and nutritious.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: boysmama July 11, 2010, 01:34:03 PM
Those can be herxheimer reactions as well. If you suspect blood sugar issues, I would recommend sipping on chicken broth, and a meal or snack every 3-4 hrs.

Make your meals  and snacks.....balanced with 1/3 each coming from proteins, fats, and low glycemic carbs. Cheese and carrots, celery and nut or sunbutter, nuts and berries or green apples.
: Re: I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now?
: Sewbusy July 11, 2010, 05:04:29 PM
In a nut shell, it's one of the greatest challenges of self discipline I have ever faced:) Read this entire thread and you will have a lot more info.... Also we eat LOTS AND LOTS of butter and meat fats lots of veggies and even some oatbran if things aren't "flowing" like they need to be. Any ideas on how to eat coconut oil? I love it as a spread on bread but since that is out I'm looking for more ideas. I have never really liked coconut but am learning to like it. Also any ideas on learning to like kefir?? Should I move this to the daily support for candida cleanse thread???? All of this is so new!