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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Candida & Leaky Gut => : Mrs. JDT July 26, 2006, 12:20:23 PM

: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: Mrs. JDT July 26, 2006, 12:20:23 PM
Hello. I am 32 weeks pregnant and am struggling with a terrible yeast infection. I have taken two courses of antibiotics during this pregnancy and I'm sure this is the cause of it all. I also struggled with candida before I was pregnant. I have read in Shonda Parker's book Naturally Healthy Pregnancy  that Nutrition Now's Yeast Defense is okay to take, but it has Pau D Arco and Caprylic Acid in it, which I thought were unsafe during pregnancy. I am taking a probiotic and trying to stay away from sugar :P. I was also wondering if a full blown yeast free diet is safe to adhere to while pregnant. No fruit, no dairy (lactose factor), no cheese (mold factor), nothing fermented or with yeast in it, no white flour or white pasta (no big deal). I'm wondering if this diet will be too restrictive for my baby to grow. Any suggestions on how to knock this yeast out before I deliver would be appreciated.
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: a_new_creation July 26, 2006, 01:08:26 PM
I am 20 weeks pg and have been taking a probiotic and a supplement called Candex.  It is just digestive enzymes so should be totally safe for baby.  It basically eats the yeast and they can't mutate to protect themselves.  It should not give a die-off reaction either.  I have had very good results w/ this product.  As for the dairy thing, I agree there is enough lactose in milk (we drink raw) to make a difference in your fight w/ the yeast.  I have to limit myself to 1 tall glass a day (w/ extra cream!) or I see a flare-up.  You should be able to drink kefir w/o problems as the kefir bacteria eat all the lactose themselves so you still get good calcium plus a double whammy of probiotics!  I would do homemade kefir if possible.  Seems like the stuff in the store has junk in it not to mention being expensive.

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: SC July 26, 2006, 06:02:27 PM
I know it sounds crazy, but have you considered using kefir and/or yogurt as an application? I'm not talking about eating it.

I would take a 1 cup vinegar to 1 gallon water solution and use a portion of that to cleanse the area gently. Just set the container of yogurt/kefir in a warm water bath so that it won't be so cold and apply to the affected area. It should prove beneficial and soothing. I would apply just before bed and upon waking.

Hope you feel better soon. I'm sorry you are so uncomfortable.
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: yasmine July 28, 2006, 04:20:42 AM
Hi!
 I had a very bad time with yeast infection the last half of my 4th  pregnancy. I drank a cup of raw goat milk 4-5 times a week, also goat yogurt almost every day..Bad Idea. The key for me is that I was in such discomfort that the only way I could have stopped it , And it would have worked, was no yogurt no dairy no nothin whiteHahhA.
If I were you I would stop all dairy including yogurt, even goat anything. I tried every remedy in the book! vineger, ow, you name it I did it, and sometimes it would subside a day or two but that was if I skipped all dairy for a day or two, it was torture.
Take advice from someone who;s been there, Eat more organic meat and greens, forget the dairy, any dairy. Why?

 
here goes... My baby was beautiful, soon after birth he developed baby excema, and everyone said it will go away like my other three. Never left..till I stopped all dairy and eggs. You see, my midwife was right,  yogurt, no matter how good for me is dairy and if you've got yeast probs, you someimes cannot handle it, therefore by baby got a systemic yeast prob after being delivered wich is what my midwife warned me may happen . I kept buying those monistat 7 things at the drug store and couldnt bring myself to use them. Well I should have doen somthing, My babe is a okay now. It took 3-4 months after forgoing and dairy for the rash to disappear. But if I had to do it again I woud stop all dairy, take threelac and then asher would have not had the rash all over his face and abdomen for 4 months. it was not pretty.I feel for  you!! please for your own piece of mind  take into consideration what Ive told you.God bless you and your growing baby.

Ps, I take threelac because Its the first thing I found that seems to be killing off my yeast, no more yeast infection, and no more itching palms and feet YAY
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: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 04:58:24 AM
wow. thank you so much yasmine. Did your baby get that rash because you had a yeast infection at the time of delivery...and  when he went thru the birth canal he got it?
I have tried the Monistat, but if i don't stayon a strcit no sugar diet, it just comes back. Can I take threelac while pregnant?
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: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 06:18:18 AM
And thank you to every one else who posted. I love hearing different things to try in these situations!
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: SC July 28, 2006, 06:34:39 AM
for me . . . .is that . . .the only way I could have stopped it . . . .was no yogurt no dairy no nothin whiteHahhA.
If I were you I would stop all dairy including yogurt, even goat anything. I tried every remedy in the book! vineger, ow, you name it I did it, and sometimes it would subside a day or two but that was if I skipped all dairy for a day or two, it was torture.
Take advice from someone who;s been there, Eat more organic meat and greens, forget the dairy, any dairy.

I should have taken the time to give my reasons for using a VERY DILUTED vinegar rinse followed by kefir and yogurt application. This is NOT eating yogurt and kefir but actually inserting it into the area.

Vinegar’s acidic nature slows down the growth of harmful bacteria and acts as a cleanser for the irritated skin. The vinegar's action helps to set the stage for the beneficial bacteria to take hold and populate the area, restoring the proper balance of yeast.

Regarding the yogurt and goat's milk, I can understand your reaction. Anything with lactose feeds bacteria. The goat's milk would have exacerbated the problem by feeding the yeast. If you used anything but plain, organic yogurt, you were just eating sugar that fed the yeast as well. So, to clarify, you must use PLAIN ORGANIC yogurt. That stuff with fruit, sugar, honey, etc. is just a yeast feast.

By definition, yogurt is a garden that has begun to sprout beneficial bacteria. The probiotics are feeding off of the milk. That is what changed the composition and taste of the milk product.

When yeast has overgrown an area in the body, think of it as a garden overcome with weeds. You must first get rid of the weeds. THEN you must plant something beneficial to keep the weeds at bay, or at least manageable. If you go in with something too harsh (like many antibiotics), you just kill off everything but the hardiest bacteria (the bad ones). This gives them an area cleared of the competition to multiply and take over again.

By first cleansing the area with a VERY DILUTED vinegar solution, you correct the PH balance and slow down the growth of the yeast. By flooding the area with PLAIN, ORGANIC yogurt and kefir, you are "planting" the beneficial bacteria AND supplying them with the food they need to grow and populate the area, keeping the yeast at bay.

Of course, you will have to decide what course is best for you. This is just information.
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: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 06:43:42 AM
how long do you leave the yougurt on? do you sit in an empty tub while it is working? :)
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: healthybratt July 28, 2006, 06:51:39 AM
here goes... My baby was beautiful, soon after birth he developed baby excema, and everyone said it will go away like my other three. Never left..till I stopped all dairy and eggs. You see, my midwife was right,  yogurt, no matter how good for me is dairy and if you've got yeast probs, you someimes cannot handle it, therefore by baby got a systemic yeast prob after being delivered wich is what my midwife warned me may happen .

I would guess that you've had antibiotics at some time in your life.  This would explain your yeast problem.  This also means you don't have any bacteria in your intestinal lining.  These control the growth of candida, but they also produce lactic acid which helps you to digest dairy products more efficiently.  Raw milk is better than pasteurized for the same reason.  It contains the same bacteria which help you to digest the milk and they are not present in heated milk.

Lactic Acid Bacteria (http://www.waksmanfoundation.org/labs/mbl/lactic.html)

The bacteria found in plain, unsweetened yogurt and kefir will also eat candida.  These bacteria also live on sugar as does yeast, so they will digest the sugars in the milk before you even eat them, so if your symptoms increased from eating it, there must have been something else causing the problem.  Maybe you were eating uber sweetened yogurt (flavored) or maybe your cravings of regular sugar picked up in conjunction with your treatments as a defense mechanisim of the candida.

One other thought, if your candida is advanced enough, you could have leaky gut syndrome which can in turn cause an intolerance to dairy and other foods as well.  This is very common and can be treated or even reversed, but consider it does not effect everyone.

Hope this helps.

~hb
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: Ruby July 28, 2006, 07:29:39 AM
Yasmine,
You mentioned you take three-lac.  Can you take that while you're pregnant?  I've been wondering if I have some type of yeast problem, but we're trying to have another baby and I didn't want to take the Yeast Assassin because of this.  I thought I would just start taking the Tummy Tune Up and see if that helped, but I guess I might need something to kill off the yeast too.  Any ideas ayone?  Thanks.
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: SC July 28, 2006, 07:47:10 AM
how long do you leave the yougurt on? do you sit in an empty tub while it is working? :)

Okay, all of you men, go somewhere else while I explain this. ::) :-[

Insert the kefir or yogurt and just leave it there to do its work. Wear a pad if you need to. Any leakage will just coat all of your feminine area and help with any exterior irritation that may be present. It isn't as bad as the creams you purchase over the counter. You don't want to "clean it out" because you want the good bacteria to take hold and start to grow. I would do this at night before bedtime and the next morning upon rising.
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: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 07:52:54 AM
Would I use a plastic applicator like the ones that comes in a Monistat box to insert the yougurt into the vaginal canal? And if so, where would I buy such a thing?
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: healthybratt July 28, 2006, 09:01:51 AM
Would I use a plastic applicator like the ones that comes in a Monistat box to insert the yogurt into the vaginal canal? And if so, where would I buy such a thing?

You could use a douche bag or hot water bottle with attachment or I've even reused an empty disposable douche bottle.  I just cut the hole bigger to refill it (thrifty me)  ::).
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: Mrs. JDT July 29, 2006, 09:00:42 AM
does anyone know if Threelac is safe to take during pregnancy?
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: yasmine July 29, 2006, 09:38:48 PM
yes My midwife warned me that if I had the infection during delivery the baby may get  a systemic yeast infection,. Although it is not life threatening it is so not neccesary if you can prevent it with your diet until after delivery and then take care of it then. For me it was dairy, if it is sugar for you, dont have ANY!!!!!!!!

Yes if I could do it again, I would take the threelac, but i have researched it and feel comfy>>
I even give  a 1/4 of the packet a day to the baby when I take it.I hope you find relief soon!
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: yasmine July 29, 2006, 09:50:39 PM
I have never really liked sweets nor did I consume them. I have only consumed raw goat milk in the past 20 years, and goat yogurt, all home-made.  Sugar is not the culprit at all, it is the dairy in the yogurt. Also , I did have antibiotics  once when I was little and once 8 years ago. But I took acidophilus after and have NEVER had this prob.
  I , to take care of a heath problem , adapted to a raw vegan diet for almost 5 years and I only consumed raw fruit, vegies, and nuts. Also A TON of carrot vegetable juices. It did take care of my migranes and I also did alot of cleasing wich I attribute MY candida to, since I may not have populated my intestines enough after the whole ordeal. The dairy in the yogurt was the direct cause to my yeast infection, Yes yogurt and kefir is great , but had I not consumed it during my preg, I would not have had this happen. I used every treatment in shonda Parkers book to no avail, I just would not give up the yogurt, HAHA.



p.s.Take coconut oil, this is full of caprylic acid and kills yeast!!!!! VERY VERY GOOD for you
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: yasmine July 29, 2006, 10:01:26 PM
for me . . . .is that . . .the only way I could have stopped it . . . .was no yogurt no dairy no nothin whiteHahhA.
If I were you I would stop all dairy including yogurt, even goat anything. I tried every remedy in the book! vineger, ow, you name it I did it, and sometimes it would subside a day or two but that was if I skipped all dairy for a day or two, it was torture.
Take advice from someone who;s been there, Eat more organic meat and greens, forget the dairy, any dairy.

I should have taken the time to give my reasons for using a VERY DILUTED vinegar rinse followed by kefir and yogurt application. This is NOT eating yogurt and kefir put actually inserting it into the area.

Vinegar’s acidic nature slows down the growth of harmful bacteria and acts as a cleanser for the irritated skin. The vinegar's action helps to set the stage for the beneficial bacteria to take hold and populate the area, restoring the proper balance of yeast.

Regarding the yogurt and goat's milk, I can understand your reaction. Anything with lactose feeds bacteria. The goat's milk would have exacerbated the problem by feeding the yeast. If you used anything but plain, organic yogurt, you were just eating sugar that fed the yeast as well. So, to clarify, you must use PLAIN ORGANIC yogurt. That stuff with fruit, sugar, honey, etc. is just a yeast feast.

By definition, yogurt is a garden that has begun to sprout beneficial bacteria. The probiotics are feeding off of the milk. That is what changed the composition and taste of the milk product.

When yeast has overgrown an area in the body, think of it as a garden overcome with weeds. You must first get rid of the weeds. THEN you must plant something beneficial to keep the weeds at bay, or at least manageable. If you go in with something too harsh (like many antibiotics), you just kill off everything but the hardiest bacteria (the bad ones). This gives them an area cleared of the competition to multiply and take over again.

By first cleansing the area with a VERY DILUTED vinegar solution, you correct the PH balance and slow down the growth of the yeast. By flooding the area with PLAIN, ORGANIC yogurt and kefir, you are "planting" the beneficial bacteria AND supplying them with the food they need to grow and populate the area, keeping the yeast at bay.

Of course, you will have to decide what course is best for you. This is just information.



you see although the douches are helpful, I believe that treating the direct problem is better than treating a symptom. It is more important to stop consuming what is causing the problem, and kill the yeast internally rather than getting temporary relief . That is why I would restrict myself sugar and or dairy , whatever the culprit and during that time kill off the yeast.
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: healthybratt July 30, 2006, 07:23:08 AM
Sugar is not the culprit at all, it is the dairy in the yogurt.

I tried to find some info that might lend some creedence to this and couldn't find any. 
According to my research, the only dairy products that may contribute to candida overgrowth are those that do not contain live cultures.  Any dairy products that do contain live bacteria do not have sugar because the cultures have already consumed it before you eat the yogurt/kefir or whatever.  Milk and other dairy products are to be avoided during a yeast infection only when they contain lactose (milk sugar) because this will feed the yeast in the same way it feeds the bacteria.

If your symptoms worsened while eating yogurt, then I would think that it was a die-off reaction.  This is an increase in symptoms while the yeast is dying.  This is caused by the toxins released when the yeast dies.  Normally, probiotics and yogurt wouldn't cause die-off because they eat the yeast instead of killing it, but if you decreased your sugar dramatically while eating the yogurt, you could have experienced some detox from this.

If die-off is not the issue, then I would try to closely examine the rest of my diet while I was eating yogurt.  I would bet money that you were eating something else, or possibly using some hygeine products that may have contributed as well.  Scents, detergents and I even noticed that some of the "super dry" sanitary pads can contribute to yeast as well.

I've struggled with yeast infections off and on for many years and I can tell you for absolute certain that yogurt consumption never caused any of mine.
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: yasmine July 31, 2006, 02:47:07 AM
nope, there could be nothing else, you see , when I am pregnant , I dont eat any sugar , and the only other thing I was having from time to time was rasberry leaf tea.wHEN i GET PREGNANT, iM KINDA WIERD, I get excited and I focus a lot on eating as healthy as I can, when I was raw I would not touch cooked foods, like a wierdo. But I make sure that I'm eating the best I know how, and i do not falter at all and cheat! I like the excitement that the baby in my tummy is growing and everything I put in is helping to feed me and in turn my baby.And by all means no sugar. Wait when I want tea I put in a bit of honey but I had no tea with that yeast infection.
    I had yogurt twice a day with garlic in it too sometimes! Yes I understand you may think it was a die off but not for more than half of my pregnancy. from my understanding , candida feeds off of dairy. In a few of the books I've read  a candida killing diet has no dairy in it, except yogurt if the individual can tolerate it. The diet is usually meat, vegetables, rice and I think thats the basics, mabey a few more things.   Actually , everyone I have ever discussed candida with , chiropractors midwives, just people in passing through the past few years have never told me that dairy is good to eat if your trying to starve candida.  Im not really that well learned on the subject except as a layman , and all Ivedone is read books on it , but for me there was nothing else except the raw goat milk and the yogurt,

 Let me see what I ate ,... rice, tuna, salads, no sugar.. See thats not a temptation for me; sugar. oh and I ate goat cheese once and a while from scratch.. NO fruit even.. for the reason that I was trying not to contribute to this nasty yeast infection that I could not get rid of as I guzzeled my yummy, seasalted , sour homeade!.. goat yogurt!!
 Actually who knows mabey Im wrong but I can tell you for a fact, it is  and was not sugar
and I hardly ate bread! HAHA I was just craving that yogurt and any goat milk I COULD GET.


I think that is what happens with candida overgrowth any way, is it not? you crave was makes you ill or what is feeding the candida anyway..? oh and I was not using any hygein products at all except a shower with natural soap. I do not wear perfume either and of course no pads even went without underwear, yuck. Oh and the other thing is when I ate my yogurt and a bit of time went by my palms and soles of my feet would itch. wierd huh!

interesting huh..!
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: mrsnoah July 31, 2006, 07:50:46 AM
My SIL is 14 weeks per. and is having some really weird stuff happening. Sh has had thyroid cancer and radiation for that also her gall bladder has been removed and during that surgery they sniped a tube to her liver and she has had a couple surgerys to correct that. Now she is having bad intertinal pain and dihareah and she says she can here stuff exploding in there and she just crys and crys it hurts so bad. Any ideas anyone. I thought maybe Tummy Tune up would help, but what else?
-Mary
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: healthybratt July 31, 2006, 08:18:26 AM
Actually who knows mabey Im wrong but I can tell you for a fact, it is  and was not sugar
and I hardly ate bread! HAHA I was just craving that yogurt and any goat milk I COULD GET.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't raw goats milk contain milk sugar just like cow's milk? 
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: jaemom August 09, 2006, 06:18:44 AM
Is it safe to follow a yeast and sugar free diet while pregnant?  I wanted to start Yeast Assassin, but found out I'm expecting.  I know I have yeast problems, and I'm overweight.  I was considering following the Maker's Diet, taking TTU and Supermom (starting with 1/2 a pill a day), and doing the Water Cure.  Is this too much for a beginner?  Maybe I should just follow the 2nd or 3rd phase of the Diet instead of doing the complete elimination phase?
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: sarajane August 25, 2006, 05:07:16 AM
Is it safe to follow a yeast and sugar free diet while pregnant?

I don't know how good it would be to not eat fruit. I do know that by simply eliminating yeast bread and refined sugar I have helped myself out a lot. I still eat fruit but not a ton. I still have breads like tortillas, biscuits, and corn bread when I do eat bread. I also eat yogurt.

I did this for two reasons, I don't want to get huge again! And I have a bad yeast infection that has greatly improved thankfully. I apply apple cider vinegar (I don't dilute it but you should at first to see if it burns! It just doesn't bother me for some reason) I also apply plain yogurt. Oh, and I douche with a mixture of Grapefruit Seed Extract and water. Mine came with instructions.

My body was also used to a regular intake of Stevia Leaf which supposedly helps prevent the overgrowth of yeast. I got the infection shortly after we stopped using it as a sweetner. =/
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: knitting another August 30, 2006, 01:16:02 PM
I have a question about Yeast Assassin.  I just received the flyer from Beeyoutiful and I was reading about yeast assassin's ingredients.  I am wondering if it is not recommended for pregnant women due to the fact it has black walnut and Pau D'Arco in it?  I've researched these two ingredients in the three herb books I have (Nutritional Herbology; the how to herb book; prescription for nutritional healing) None of these books say not to take these ingredients while pregnant (they do, however, mention other herbs that are not okay to take while pregnant.) I spoke to someone today and found out the Caprylic Acid is just a fatty acid so that should be safe. I'm looking for the best and SAFE way to get rid of this yeast infection.   
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: healthybratt August 30, 2006, 02:51:50 PM
I'm looking for the best and SAFE way to get rid of this yeast infection.   

If you mean a vaginal yeast infection then you should read this thread.
Vaginal Yeast:  Symptoms & Cures (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,440.0.html)
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: StephTallent August 30, 2006, 04:15:44 PM
I have a question about Yeast Assassin.  I just received the flyer from Beeyoutiful and I was reading about yeast assassin's ingredients.  I am wondering if it is not recommended for pregnant women due to the fact it has black walnut and Pau D'Arco in it?  I've researched these two ingredients in the three herb books I have (Nutritional Herbology; the how to herb book; prescription for nutritional healing) None of these books say not to take these ingredients while pregnant (they do, however, mention other herbs that are not okay to take while pregnant.)

I recently did some quick research on Black WalNut and Pau D'Arco.  I found some interesting uses cited (mostly in other countries) that were confirmation to me why you should NOT take Yeast Assassin if you are pregnant or nursing.  Black Walnut is used to decrease milk supply in women who are weaning.  Not something to take if you are nursing full time and working to keep up a full supply! Pau D'Arco has also been used in some cultures (probably in higher amounts than found in Yeast Assasin though) to trigger miscarriages in unwanted pregnancies.  There were many sources that advised against their use in pregnancy/nursing but those were the only two concrete reasons I was able to find.    :)       
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: ForeverGirl August 30, 2006, 05:40:59 PM
Things you can do to knock out yeast while pregnant or nursing:

Stop eating sugars and yeasts.

Eat yogurt and kefir.

Take a good probiotic.

Eat a clove of garlic once or twice a day.

Drink Aloe juice/gel.

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: Mrs. JDT August 30, 2006, 08:36:44 PM
Beeyoutiful Girl,
when you say to stop eating sugars, does that include fresh fruits too? I know that fruit juices or dried fruits are out becasue they are WAY high in sugar, but I wonder about whole fruits, like an apple? Thanks for the compact, but very helpful list on how to knock out yeast while pregnant.  :)
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: healthybratt August 31, 2006, 04:54:04 AM
Beeyoutiful Girl,
when you say to stop eating sugars, does that include fresh fruits too? I know that fruit juices or dried fruits are out becasue they are WAY high in sugar, but I wonder about whole fruits, like an apple? Thanks for the compact, but very helpful list on how to knock out yeast while pregnant.  :)

I'm not BeeyoutifulGirl, but I'll try to help.  Fruits contain lots of sugars and yeast do not discriminate between healthy and unhealthy sugars.  They will eat and thrive on both.  If fighting yeast, you need to cut out your sugars completely wherever possible.  There is a thread on diet somewhere on here that has helpful hints on how to do this.  I found it.  My post on this is in the LGS thread.  CLICK HERE. (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg14940.html#msg14940)
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: julie August 31, 2006, 05:59:34 AM
I wondered about this as well. I used a cotton ball, soaked it in kefir and placed it inside for a couple of hours and I haven't had a problem in that area since.  My problem though seems to be that it is starting to effect my breasts now that I'm going to be nursing a baby again.  One of my earlier children developed thrush and I have sort of had an on again off again problem with itchiness on my breasts since then and can't get rid of it. Any suggestions for that area?
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: healthybratt August 31, 2006, 10:39:06 AM
I wondered about this as well. I used a cotton ball, soaked it in kefir and placed it inside for a couple of hours and I haven't had a problem in that area since.  My problem though seems to be that it is starting to effect my breasts now that I'm going to be nursing a baby again.  One of my earlier children developed thrush and I have sort of had an on again off again problem with itchiness on my breasts since then and can't get rid of it. Any suggestions for that area?

You can treat this the same way.  Apply something probiotic (kefir, garlic, tummy tune-up or even antifungal cream).  I would recommend that as soon as you are able that you take some Yeast Assassin and remove the sugars from your diet as much as possible and possibly take some probiotic supplementation to keep this from happening again. 
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: ForeverGirl August 31, 2006, 10:45:34 AM
I wondered about this as well. I used a cotton ball, soaked it in kefir and placed it inside for a couple of hours and I haven't had a problem in that area since.  My problem though seems to be that it is starting to effect my breasts now that I'm going to be nursing a baby again.  One of my earlier children developed thrush and I have sort of had an on again off again problem with itchiness on my breasts since then and can't get rid of it. Any suggestions for that area?
A bra soaked in kefir?

Okay, seriously... we've had several ladies mention having success with sprinkling Tummy Tune-Up Original Blend on their breasts before and after feedings. This seemed to heal the baby and the mama at the same time.
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: sarajane August 31, 2006, 03:29:06 PM
The cotton ball is a good idea, I'll have to try that.  Thanks for sharing. ;)
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: wlwest September 29, 2006, 02:17:27 PM
I've heard of this before, and I started it, but I didn't have much help or info.  That was probably 3 years ago or so.  I know that I have this, and possibly my children.  But, I'm pregnant, so I guess I need to wait to start anything?  I've been working on replacing our foods, and getting rid of white flour, sugar, etc. 

Is there anything I can do while I'm pregnant, and also while I'm nursing?  I see you can't take the Yeast Assasisin while pregant, probably not while I'm nursing too?  I'm hoping that changing to better foods will help the kids too.

Wendy
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: mishy September 29, 2006, 03:22:22 PM
Keep on working on your foods and do the water cure.  You can also take probiodics to help battle the yeast. 

I think that is about it for yeast while you are nursing or prego.

:)
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: chopchop September 29, 2006, 03:30:03 PM
I feel  for you!!!!!!!!   I had a horrible round with my first pregnancy!  My prayers are with you too!!
Try a search on here  "What can be done about candida while pregnant"  I don't know how to list the the thread but you should find it if you type it in on search.  BW
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: chopchop September 29, 2006, 03:37:06 PM
 I forgot to mention one thing.
 If you are in the middle of a really horrible spell where you really need some instant relief.  You might try this, it really was the only thing that worked for me as quick relief  (you will need to do more than this to cure it though)
Anyway,  Carefully peel a whole clove of garlic without damaging it at all and wrap it in a wee peice of gauze, pour a bit of olive oil on it and insert it in your vagina before you go to bed.  (I even did this during the day sometimes, but it tends to work its way out) You want to make sure that you don't break the skin or it could burn your skin.
There is a lot of good advice on the thread I mentioned, hope it helps.
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: Pennie September 29, 2006, 04:15:52 PM
wouldn't it be okay to take garlic?  I am nursing right now and I am drinking ACV (which is good even while pregnant to prevent water retention and is also antifungal)taking GSE and one garlic clove a day.  It doesn't seem to be adversly affecting baby. 
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: mishy October 01, 2006, 07:12:39 PM
wouldn't it be okay to take garlic?  I am nursing right now and I am drinking ACV (which is good even while pregnant to prevent water retention and is also antifungal)taking GSE and one garlic clove a day.  It doesn't seem to be adversly affecting baby. 

I don't think I would take the GSE every day.  But I am not a GSE pro.  I just read that it can act similar to an antibiodic on your skin and it kills good bacteria in addition to the bad.  Garlic is superior in that it doesn't kill good bacteria. 
I eats lots of garlic and am nursing.  I ate it all through prego too, and none of my kids ever complained. 
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: OnthewayMom October 20, 2006, 12:20:06 PM
   Just Pregnant and wanting to do the Anti-Yeast cleanse
« on: October 19, 2006, 04:23:58 PM » by OnthewayMom
Hi,  This is my first post, and I have a question about taking the anti yeast cleanse as I am about 5 weeks pregnant.  I am positive that I have candida and would like to take care of it.  Is this the wrong time?  I just had a miscarriage 2 months ago and do not want to risk another one.  I would love some advice.
Thanks!
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: smileyface January 04, 2007, 07:37:33 AM
Ok, I have no idea where to post this question, there are so many different threads relating to yeast problems.  :o I've been on this computer all morning trying to figure everything out, and I still have some questions. Here's the history, then I will get to the questions. (Sorry, I'm the type of person who needs step by step instructions or I get completely lost  :-\ )


...family history moved here. (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.msg40422.html#msg40422)

Also, for me, I would really like to have the yeast cleared up before I go into labor. And that is getting really close. I'm due in 4 weeks, and this baby is REALLY low and I'm having contractions, so I'm hoping I don't go too early. Although this has never been an issue for me, I always go late. So if I do a really strict diet and take the TT and eat garlic all day long  :P , do you think I could get rid of it that soon? I don't want to take the chance of passing the yeast to the baby during delivery, but I also want to make sure I'm getting the nutrition the baby needs. And would starting Supermoms affect the yeast cleanse at all?

Ok, I'm really sorry about this huge long post!   :P If anyone actually made it this far, lol.  :D I've been reading all morning, and still couldn't quite figure it all out. I don't want to spend all my husbands hard earned money on supplements and different foods and then not even do it right.  ??? Any suggestions would be so greatly appreciated.  :)
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: healthybratt January 04, 2007, 08:09:11 AM
Ok, I have no idea where to post this question, there are so many different threads relating to yeast problems.

I'm moving the bulk of your post to the Candida/Yeast Thread (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.msg40422.html#msg40422) as everyone in your family is not pregnant (I hope ;)). 

I've been on this computer all morning trying to figure everything out, and I still have some questions. Here's the history, then I will get to the questions. (Sorry, I'm the type of person who needs step by step instructions or I get completely lost  :-\ )

I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

Also, for me, I would really like to have the yeast cleared up before I go into labor. And that is getting really close. I'm due in 4 weeks, and this baby is REALLY low and I'm having contractions, so I'm hoping I don't go too early. Although this has never been an issue for me, I always go late. So if I do a really strict diet and take the TT and eat garlic all day long  :P , do you think I could get rid of it that soon? I don't want to take the chance of passing the yeast to the baby during delivery, but I also want to make sure I'm getting the nutrition the baby needs. And would starting Supermoms affect the yeast cleanse at all?


I would recommend lots of probiotics and fermented type foods.  Read back through this thread for more information on treating yeast during pregnancy.  I doubt that you can have it all cleared up before the birth.  It can take anywhere from 4 to 12 months (or more) to clear up a severe case of candida and/or leaky gut; however getting on good diet and probiotics can lessen the chance of baby being afflicted as you.  Also if you intend to nurse, you will continue to give baby the benefits of the probiotics and fermented foods through your breast milk.
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: natural January 31, 2007, 01:46:37 PM
I am not sure I am treating for yeast problems, but i am taking probiotics because of nipple and breast ichiness during pregnancy. I am going to start taking an enzyme plus intestinal flora combo. I would like it if you all could take a look at the ingredients and let me know if there are any that you have had red flags about...

Protease
Amylase
Lipase
Cellulase
Lactase
Maltase
Sucrase
Marshmallow Root
Slippery Elm
MagnesiumCitrate
Calcium Citrate
A whole bunch of bacteria like acidophilus, bifidus, streptococcus thermopilus and more of these sorts.

thanks

P.S. I have posted this before here and I can't resist...five years ago I TOPICALLY treated a yeast infection using homemade garlic suppositories....never had a vaginal infection since.  I peeled a clove and barely bruised it, at night I inserted it in my vagina (I know I know but if you are desperate enough you might find it helpful), then in the morning it came out. The next night I put a little slit in the clove (a different clove  :P) and let it sit all night, the next night I put two slits....and the following nights I increased the slits. I stopped after a total of five nights and it was cleared up..again, this was a topical fix, not an internal one.
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: natural February 02, 2007, 06:38:05 AM
bump
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: 4myhoonie June 06, 2007, 05:55:39 PM
well, not sure if you've tried this, but i made a garlic tea, just one clove smashed then poured about a cup of hot water over it.  when it cooled i used it to just douse the area.  i didn't have anything else so just used a bulb syringe.  i did this about 2 days and it went away.  and yes it stung, but not intolerable.  i took that to mean it was working.  hope you get better soon. 
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: Youthful One June 27, 2007, 07:43:08 AM
you always have such helpful advice 4myhoonie Thank You! So did you like stick the syringe up and squirt inside or just the outside area? The garlic clove inside I'm saving for the last opyion, but the tea doesn't sound as scary to me. thanks/
My experience is that the whole fresh garlic clove inside overnight is much less painful than any other option I've tried.  And it works rather well.  It is my understanding that this is what they teach ladies to do in 3rd world countries where medical care is scarce.  (I think it's far better than any medical alternative. ;))

Just as an FYI, I've also tried a solution of melaleuca oil (tea tree oil) diluted in olive oil.  Talk about burn!  :o While I'm certain the melaleuca oil is effective, I would NOT recommend this method unless you have no pain sensors down there whatsoever.  ;D
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: healthybratt June 27, 2007, 07:48:18 AM
you always have such helpful advice 4myhoonie Thank You! So did you like stick the syringe up and squirt inside or just the outside area? The garlic clove inside I'm saving for the last opyion, but the tea doesn't sound as scary to me. thanks/
My experience is that the whole fresh garlic clove inside overnight is much less painful than any other option I've tried.  And it works rather well.  It is my understanding that this is what they teach ladies to do in 3rd world countries where medical care is scarce.  (I think it's far better than any medical alternative. ;))

Just as an FYI, I've also tried a solution of melaleuca oil (tea tree oil) diluted in olive oil.  Talk about burn!  :o While I'm certain the melaleuca oil is effective, I would NOT recommend this method unless you have no pain sensors down there whatsoever.  ;D
I agree on both points.  The garlic doesn't burn at all and the TTO doesn't even have to make it all the way there before it's uncomfortable.  Had some inadvertent contact before and had to take a shower immediately afterwards.   :o
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: Youthful One June 28, 2007, 09:58:09 AM
My experience with the whole garlic cloves is one peeled (but not chopped) clove inserted at bed time.  It finds its way out during a pee in the morning.  I've done this daily for up to 7 days - usually seeing results between day 3 and 5.

 :) hth
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: little mama October 30, 2007, 09:39:38 AM
Okay, so you all have convinced me that I have a leaky gut. The Yeast Assassin sounds great but I am a nursing Mama. my hubby says that I will probably be nursing or pregnant for quite a while  ;) so what can I take to kill those yucky things in my gut? If you have any suggestions, please include dosage amounts. thanks.
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: herbs girl October 30, 2007, 09:48:09 AM


Okay, so you all have convinced me that I have a leaky gut. The Yeast Assassin sounds great but I am a nursing Mama. my hubby says that I will probably be nursing or pregnant for quite a while  ;) so what can I take to kill those yucky things in my gut? If you have any suggestions, please include dosage amounts. thanks.

You could use the pregnancy yeast kit from Beeyoutiful, or use Olive leaf. Mountain meadow herbs recommends Olive Leaf for parasites/yeast problems in pregnancy/nursing.


http://www.mountainmeadowherbs.com/olive-leaf-liquid-extract-p-41.html?osCsid=652a3516f69b707ed6662d8c5b7bd015
http://www.mountainmeadowherbs.com/olive-leaf-liquid-extract-p-41.html?osCsid=652a3516f69b707ed6662d8c5b7bd015

It says it got rid of thrush, and thats yeast.  The Olive leaf looks easy, and it says its safe for expecting/nursing mothers.
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: smithzonian October 30, 2007, 10:55:49 AM
Could you also just take probiotics when nursing?

Just wondering... ;D
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: Whiterock October 30, 2007, 11:05:28 AM
Could you also just take probiotics when nursing?

Just wondering... ;D

Yes. But it will take a lot longer and may not do as good a job.
WR
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: cecac October 30, 2007, 11:28:53 AM
little mama,

I am also looking at doing a cleanse for this, and I'm pregnant.  I just read on one of the threads, and it looks like you do treatment until symptoms subside.  Although, six months was recommended for parasites.  I'm not sure that the olive leaf extract or the beeyoutiful line are either one for parasites.   ???
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: cecac October 30, 2007, 12:32:02 PM
So I'm going to do beeyoutiful's cleanse pack for pregnancy/nursing women, hopefully I'll order it first of November.

I want to talk about diet.  Being preggars, I don't want to cut out raw milk,  homemade whole wheat bread, or cheese.  I can cut out all fruit if it's a must, and I will cut out all sugars (except maybe honey in my tea 2x per day??) for the duration of the treatment.  Will I de-rail the effects of the cleanse that way?

Also, it says in here to drink kefir, eat fermented foods, etc.  The strangest thing has been that I get ill on our homemade kefir in this pregnancy.  It's better now, but still......I have some lacto fermented sour kraut, but I don't know if my stomach will keep it down.  Is that telling me something?  Should I go ahead and choke these two items down each day, regardless?

I'd appreciate some straightfoward, "Cara, get over it and do it right" if that's what ya'll need to tell me. :P  On the other hand (as in my bread :D) I don't want to suffer anymore than I have to. 

I am doing this to just make sure I am cleaned out.  I don't have yeast infections, bladder infections, etc.  But, I have had some pretty serious horomone issues, and they got worse after a miscarriage.  I was hoping that a cleanse in the pregnancy might really help postpartum.

Thank you for any input,
Cara


Also, bumping for little mama, who had a couple of questions.  Thank you.
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: cecac October 31, 2007, 06:18:07 AM
Little Mama- yeast cannot survive very well at all with lots of probiotics in your gut.  I would recommend taking a probiotic pill w/ every meal for the next several years.  Probiotics do nothing but good and will never harm you while prego or nursing.   Also, really watch your sugar and also if you would learn how to make your own 24 hr yogurt and eat it everyday that would be good.

Cara-the beeyoutiful packet sounds good but you will need to cut out almost all fruit and no honey while doing it!  Sorry for you!  I cannot handle kefir either but yogurt taken w/ your probiotic capsule would be better.  Try sweetening your plain yogurt with stevia.

Teach your family how to make 24 hr yogurt as this is just filled w/ probiotics.
Check out the yogurt thread.  justjane

Thanks justjane,

So I guess I'll have to cut out the bread (it has honey ::)) but I can keep cooked corn grits and rice on hand.  With butter I ought to be able to take it.  I thought of stevia, so I will go ahead and switch to it for when I do want some sweet in my tea, or maybe on rice.

Unless someone cautions me, I think I will keep on with raw milk.  If I was having any overt symptoms, then I'd drop it.  But I'm not, so I guess I am hoping that my body can handle it.

Thanks again,
Cara
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: little mama October 31, 2007, 07:52:14 AM
So here is what I should do, cut out all sweetners, take the cleanse pack and tummy tune-up. it would probably be to much to do the cleanse pack plus the preg. yeast pack all at ounce right? I already take Super Mom, I assume that I should continue that as well. I'm sick and tired of feeling sick and tired!
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: cecac October 31, 2007, 08:24:00 AM
littlemama,

I just looked on Beeyoutiful.com, and the Pregnancy Anti-Yeast Pack is what I am going to use.  It already has Tummy Tune Up in it.  Perhaps you would want to continue with Tummy Tune Up after your cleanse?  I am thinking it might help you because you have symptoms of infection?

Your plan sounds good!!  I hope you get to feeling better very soon, and I'll pray for you as I do this, also.

Cara
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: smithzonian October 31, 2007, 10:55:04 AM
Just wondering....

I too have wanted to cut out sugars and "cleanse" via diet.

However, I've heard that it's not safe to start cutting out sugars and carbs abruptly when your're pregnant/nursing because the die off will cause toxins to pass to your baby.  In other words, it's dangerous to "start" the cleanse while pg/nursing. Is that true?

I've always thought that we needed to keep fruits/honey in our diet and wait until done nursing to do the strict cleansing.

Please post your opinions 'cause I've wondered if I can cleanse too, or should I wait?

My baby already has a congenital defect, I believe that may have been caused by my starting to drink kombucha in my 12th week 'cause it helped with morning sickness.  Problem was that I was so toxic because of a eating such a bad diet during my 1st trimester that I detoxed a little when drinking it and supposedly, his type of defect occurs between the 13th and 17 week of development. At least, I believe that's what happened.

Again, I'm not sure of this, it's just a speculation and a caution to those wanting to "cleanse" while pregnant.
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: cecac October 31, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
Perhaps it is a good question, then, to ask for testimonies of those who have done a candida cleanse pregnant or nursing?  Could they share their testimonies with us? 

Cara
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: Sparkys9 October 31, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
I guess I didn't post on this thread, but here goes. Last week I tried going on the no/low carb diet for a thrush (oral yeast) infection. I checked my urine after 1.5 days and I had developed ketoacidosis. That is where your body starts using its own tissues to provide energy and calories. I was eating a lot of food, but essentially no carbs. I always felt hungry. It's because my nutitional needs were NOT being met. Chances are if yours aren't baby's probably aren't either. I do know that if a woman develops this in labor it can cause distress (lowered heart rate) in baby, so it can't be good prenatally. I think you could probably do gluten free grains or like me use wheat w/out yeast. I know it will take longer to get the thrush cleared up, but feeding my   baby is a lot more important to me. :D I would not personally encourage a mom to make a major dietary change during pg. My sister lost 40 # during one of her pg, and her daughter was born with lung problems and was on meds and an apnea monitor for over a year. I think it was because of detox from the weight loss. Just my observations and opinions.
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: cecac October 31, 2007, 11:54:24 AM
Thank you, Sparkys9.  I had not intended on going low carb.  I've done that non-pregnant and felt lousy, so I did not think that would be wise.  Thank you for confirmation on that one.  I'm going to try and do grits, brown rice, white rice, potatoes, etc.  I would also like to track down an acceptable type bread if there is such a thing!!

Any more testimonies would be appreciated!!

Cara
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: cecac November 01, 2007, 02:46:36 AM
Cara-  Ezekial Bread gotten at the health food store is supposed to be the best for while fighting candida.  The man from The Candida Wellness Center in Utah told me that.   I do think too that if you make your own whole wheat bread and are not eating it in moderation, that you would be OK, depending on how severe your yeast symptoms.

Thank you just jane,

I can easily get that type bread so I think I'll look at the ingredients.  If Ezekial is lower in sugars than our whole wheat (we use 1 cup of honey to 6 or 7 loaves) then I could go with that.  I was also thinking of using cornbread, it is pretty low in honey.  Someone earlier up in this thread said that she went ahead and ate biscuits and cornbread during her time of cleansing.
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: Maria/NHM November 01, 2007, 04:08:40 AM
I use the recipe posted here

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1338.0.html

I just leave out the honey. I let it set overnight, give it one more rise in the morning and then the final rise in the pans. Turns out great. Albertsons also carries a sprouted bread. It's kinda pricey though. I also make biscuts and let them soak overnight.
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: cecac November 01, 2007, 05:38:24 AM
Ella,

Thanks so much.  We bake bread on the weekend, so maybe I can try my recipe without honey and just let it sit overnight.  I'll try a smaller batch though :P  My kids won't want to eat it without honey.  ****sigh**** I am so not looking forward to no sweetness.
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: SarahK November 01, 2007, 07:03:14 AM
I've read the 3 pages so far and i have a question I don't think has been addressed:  How long should one expect to need to adhere to the "Anti-Yeast Menu Plan"?  I'm sure it is likely to be different for each person, but are there some general guidelines or symptoms of ~cured~ that will help?

The frustration with the restrictions of an Anti-Yeast Menu Plan is... well, it's not the normal way most people eat.  It certainly isn't impossible but I would think it would be easier to accomplish if you had a way to measure when you are done.  I'm imagining 1 or 2 weeks of menu plans (with snacks) for this new method of eating would be helpful.  Then you could pack away your 'normal snacks', post up a list of your new options on the fridge and maybe even purchase a few allowable treats that would be new and interesting for a couple weeks.

In a nutshell, how long is this gonna take?  (Can you tell I don't do 'nutshell' very well?)

Sarah K
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: healthybratt November 01, 2007, 07:42:41 AM
I've read the 3 pages so far and i have a question I don't think has been addressed:  How long should one expect to need to adhere to the "Anti-Yeast Menu Plan"?  I'm sure it is likely to be different for each person, but are there some general guidelines or symptoms of ~cured~ that will help?

The frustration with the restrictions of an Anti-Yeast Menu Plan is... well, it's not the normal way most people eat.  It certainly isn't impossible but I would think it would be easier to accomplish if you had a way to measure when you are done.  I'm imagining 1 or 2 weeks of menu plans (with snacks) for this new method of eating would be helpful.  Then you could pack away your 'normal snacks', post up a list of your new options on the fridge and maybe even purchase a few allowable treats that would be new and interesting for a couple weeks.

In a nutshell, how long is this gonna take?  (Can you tell I don't do 'nutshell' very well?)

Sarah K
My not-so-professional opinion based on my experience is 2 weeks if you're taking in less than 30 carbs per day.  After 2 weeks, I went up to about 50 carbs per day and after a couple of weeks of this, I ate whatever I wanted.  Keep in mind, I didn't want sugar anymore because my taste for it had waned, but I was eating toast, hot cereals, potatoes occassionally, but no pasta - it's never really been my thing anyway.  My taste for sugar has returned  ::) but I still can't stomach high fructose corn syrup.  The smell of it in foods makes my stomach turn.

If you're taking in more carbs because of the pregnancy, I think it will take longer.  At 30 carbs per day,  you are virtually starving the yeast to death.  If you still take in ample sugars to feed "some" of the organisms, they will continue to thrive and multiply.  And since preggo mamas aren't supposed to take black walnut, you'd want to make sure you tried to stay on top of this with other methods like garlic, enzymes and probiotics.  The protein diets recommend 100 carbs per day for maintaining a healthy weight once the dieting is over.  I don't know if this is a reasonable amount of carbs for a pregnant woman, but I would think it would be enough to make menu planning a bit easier.
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: lotsaboys November 01, 2007, 08:31:24 AM
I agree with HB. If you really stick to the anti-yeast diet you will develop a distaste for the no-no foods. At least somewhat. So in that sense it will be easier to keep the yeast at bay. I would've thought it would take more than 2 weeks though. ??? I did the Beeyoutiful anti-yeast regimen for during pregnancy and it took more like a month to use it up.

As for signs of being cured, I assume you would want your symptoms gone or at least subsiding. Symptoms are different for everyone. I can't say my symptoms are forever gone- they still return when I eat much sugar, but that is very rare.

Hope my ramblings made sense. :-\
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: cecac November 01, 2007, 08:58:14 AM
Thanks lotsaboys, I was wondering how long I'm in for.  I may try to do two packs of it then, since it's only a month.  I was thinking it would be three months or something.

My personal opinion about carbs in pregnency is that I won't cut them, and I won't worry about counting them.  What I will do is try to eat a bit higher fat and protein so that I automatically don't grab the bread all the time.  My bread won't have sweetner, as I'm finding out there are other options. I've cut carbs way down, and I do not think I can weather how I feel when I do that and be pregnant at the same time. :-\  I guess I'll just have to do the cleanse longer if I feel there is need for it.  Thank you so much for this information HB.  I was hoping you'd chime in and let us know.

It won't hurt to be VERY regimented, IMO, with no white flour, sugar, honey, or even milk.  Those things can easily be cut with no worry of getting enough nutrients in pregnancy.  But, I will note that I am going to eat cheese and drink some raw cream every day (for dairy) as I am thinking those will be lower carbs.  And I also am thinking I need to commit to this part of the diet through the remainder of the pregnancy to help keep this stuff under control.  Guess a good kick in the pants is a good thing every now and then.

Just some more thoughts, and thank you so much HB and lotsaboys for the encouragement through discussion.  I will admit I will take all the encouragement for this that I can get.  I'm a little scared of trying anything in pregnancy, but I feel I'd like to get this one done before the rigors of birth and horomone fluctuation postpartum.
Cara
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: little mama November 01, 2007, 10:59:32 AM
So we are going to take the Preg Yeast Pack but what about the parasites?
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: cecac November 01, 2007, 01:29:57 PM
So we are going to take the Preg Yeast Pack but what about the parasites?

Wellll, I looked at the pregnancy pack yesterday on the beeyoutiful site and the Acidophilus Blast is in that pack, so there's the parasite cleansing.

I e-mailed them because I'm not so sure about that Acidophilus Blast, parasite cleansing (particularly Black Walnut), and being preggars.  Maybe I misunderstood, but I don't think so because I clicked on the Pregnancy Anti-Yeast pack and it was in there.  I am waiting to see what they let me know.  I do not know what the ingredients are in that particular product.  I asked them to explain.

I have another question.   >:( >:( >:( so, I have the book Adrenal Fatigue, The 21st Century Stress Syndrom, on loan, from someone.  I just happened  >:( to open it up in the back.  Right before my very eyes was the glycemic index chart.  Guess which foods I crave that are on a par, or more, to eating a piece of white bread?  Wheat bread, cornbread (grits), tortilla chips, potatoes.

IS THERE ANY CONNECTION TO GLYCEMIC INDEX AND CLEANSING FOR OVERGROWTH OF CANDIDA YEAST?  Oh man if there is I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I guess I'm gonna get over it.

I did do a search on glycemic index, but only saw it once on a candida overgrowth thread.  Hope I didn't miss something. :-\

Thanks for any response,
Cara

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: healthybratt November 01, 2007, 05:18:49 PM
I agree with HB. If you really stick to the anti-yeast diet you will develop a distaste for the no-no foods. At least somewhat. So in that sense it will be easier to keep the yeast at bay. I would've thought it would take more than 2 weeks though. ??? I did the Beeyoutiful anti-yeast regimen for during pregnancy and it took more like a month to use it up.

As for signs of being cured, I assume you would want your symptoms gone or at least subsiding. Symptoms are different for everyone. I can't say my symptoms are forever gone- they still return when I eat much sugar, but that is very rare.

Hope my ramblings made sense. :-\
2 weeks for the diet (6 months to a year for the supplements).  Without a good probiotic supplement for a very long duration, the candida will return.
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: cecac November 02, 2007, 02:39:28 AM
I agree with HB. If you really stick to the anti-yeast diet you will develop a distaste for the no-no foods. At least somewhat. So in that sense it will be easier to keep the yeast at bay. I would've thought it would take more than 2 weeks though. ??? I did the Beeyoutiful anti-yeast regimen for during pregnancy and it took more like a month to use it up.

As for signs of being cured, I assume you would want your symptoms gone or at least subsiding. Symptoms are different for everyone. I can't say my symptoms are forever gone- they still return when I eat much sugar, but that is very rare.

Hope my ramblings made sense. :-\
2 weeks for the diet (6 months to a year for the supplements).  Without a good probiotic supplement for a very long duration, the candida will return.

Question on this:

Is it okay to take the garlic for six months?  Or are you just speaking of the tummy tune up for six months?

Thank you,
Cara
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: lotsaboys November 02, 2007, 06:07:43 AM
I agree with HB. If you really stick to the anti-yeast diet you will develop a distaste for the no-no foods. At least somewhat. So in that sense it will be easier to keep the yeast at bay. I would've thought it would take more than 2 weeks though. ??? I did the Beeyoutiful anti-yeast regimen for during pregnancy and it took more like a month to use it up.

As for signs of being cured, I assume you would want your symptoms gone or at least subsiding. Symptoms are different for everyone. I can't say my symptoms are forever gone- they still return when I eat much sugar, but that is very rare.

Hope my ramblings made sense. :-\
2 weeks for the diet (6 months to a year for the supplements).  Without a good probiotic supplement for a very long duration, the candida will return.

Makes sense. Gotcha now. :)


Question on this:

Is it okay to take the garlic for six months?  Or are you just speaking of the tummy tune up for six months?

Thank you,
Cara

I hope its ok on the garlic because I've taken it for about that long. I started the anti-yeast before baby was born and decided to continue after just to be sure I don't have any yeast issues with baby. Am glad I did as my last two babies had thrush and terrible diaper rash and this guy has had NOTHING of the sort. Woo-hoo! :D But back to the garlic- the bottle is never-ending and so I've continued to take it daily and haven't noticed any problem. Maybe I should look into it some more. :-\
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: mommie November 02, 2007, 06:38:13 AM
Maybe  I didn't read enough context on this but if you are just asking about taking garlic caps in general you should be fine taking them for however long you like...Garlic is a blood thinner though so that can  be a problem I've heard towards the end of pregnancy or if you have some medical condition that would be problematic with  a blood thinner. otherwise garlic is wonderful for you and I can't think of any bad side effects in normal situations except maybe the runs and cramps from that! If you're nursing I think it is suppose to cause the baby to want more milk!!! it could maybe cause gas with the baby though???
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: healthybratt November 02, 2007, 07:01:11 AM
I agree with HB. If you really stick to the anti-yeast diet you will develop a distaste for the no-no foods. At least somewhat. So in that sense it will be easier to keep the yeast at bay. I would've thought it would take more than 2 weeks though. ??? I did the Beeyoutiful anti-yeast regimen for during pregnancy and it took more like a month to use it up.

As for signs of being cured, I assume you would want your symptoms gone or at least subsiding. Symptoms are different for everyone. I can't say my symptoms are forever gone- they still return when I eat much sugar, but that is very rare.

Hope my ramblings made sense. :-\
2 weeks for the diet (6 months to a year for the supplements).  Without a good probiotic supplement for a very long duration, the candida will return.

Question on this:

Is it okay to take the garlic for six months?  Or are you just speaking of the tummy tune up for six months?

Thank you,
Cara
Raw garlic is a health food, not a dietary supplement or medicine.  You can take it until the odor reaches the neighbor's house if it makes you feel good.  ;D

Don't know about the blood thinning properties.  Might be worth looking into.
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: lotsaboys November 02, 2007, 07:22:00 AM
I agree with HB. If you really stick to the anti-yeast diet you will develop a distaste for the no-no foods. At least somewhat. So in that sense it will be easier to keep the yeast at bay. I would've thought it would take more than 2 weeks though. ??? I did the Beeyoutiful anti-yeast regimen for during pregnancy and it took more like a month to use it up.

As for signs of being cured, I assume you would want your symptoms gone or at least subsiding. Symptoms are different for everyone. I can't say my symptoms are forever gone- they still return when I eat much sugar, but that is very rare.

Hope my ramblings made sense. :-\
2 weeks for the diet (6 months to a year for the supplements).  Without a good probiotic supplement for a very long duration, the candida will return.

Question on this:

Is it okay to take the garlic for six months?  Or are you just speaking of the tummy tune up for six months?

Thank you,
Cara
Raw garlic is a health food, not a dietary supplement or medicine.  You can take it until the odor reaches the neighbor's house if it makes you feel good.  ;D

Don't know about the blood thinning properties.  Might be worth looking into.

Well, I'm taking odorless garlic gel caps so don't have to worry about the neighbors. :D And my baby is a buterball and super healthy. ;) Think there's any difference in taking the caps vs. raw garlic cloves for long term?
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: cecac November 02, 2007, 09:38:02 AM
Thanks for the info.  I am asking because (and I think it's been on WTM, yeah, matter of fact I asked about taking garlic long term for immune boosting) and I was told no, that it is somewhat like echinacea and would lose it's ability. :-\

So I guess this is not the same type use?

Hmmmmm,
Cara
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: cecac November 02, 2007, 09:40:59 AM
Lotsaboys,

So you took the Anti-yeast pregnancy pack during pregnancy???  I was wondering that but didn't want to bug you.  Could you share what you did on diet, a little more specifically?  Did you have die off during the pregnancy?

Thanks, sorry to bug you some more.  My hubby is a little nervous, so I'm just trying to make sure I cover my bases and not surprise him or me :P.

Cara
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: lotsaboys November 02, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
Thanks for the info.  I am asking because (and I think it's been on WTM, yeah, matter of fact I asked about taking garlic long term for immune boosting) and I was told no, that it is somewhat like echinacea and would lose it's ability. :-\

So I guess this is not the same type use?

Hmmmmm,
Cara

I thought I remember reading the same thing on here... ??? Somebody help us!
Lotsaboys,

So you took the Anti-yeast pregnancy pack during pregnancy???  I was wondering that but didn't want to bug you.  Could you share what you did on diet, a little more specifically?  Did you have die off during the pregnancy?

Thanks, sorry to bug you some more.  My hubby is a little nervous, so I'm just trying to make sure I cover my bases and not surprise him or me :P.

Cara

Yes, I took it during the last trimester and since I didn't have majorly bad symptoms, I don't recall any die-off. Umm, diet. I didn't watch my carbs, but ate in a NT way so I wasn't eating much of anything that would feed yeast. Sorry, I'm not much help. :-\ I mainly took it because I knew I had enough yeast that I was passing it to my last couple babies and had thrush, diaper rash and I was extremely susceptible to breast infection. I have had none of the above with this baby. And I felt great, had better digestion than most pregnancies and neither baby nor I have picked up any of the bugs that have passed through our family. Don't know if that's exactly related, but I'm just trying to relay that I think the anti-yeast pack contributed to our success. hth :)
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: cecac November 02, 2007, 04:00:59 PM
Thanks for the info.  I am asking because (and I think it's been on WTM, yeah, matter of fact I asked about taking garlic long term for immune boosting) and I was told no, that it is somewhat like echinacea and would lose it's ability. :-\

So I guess this is not the same type use?

Hmmmmm,
Cara

I thought I remember reading the same thing on here... ??? Somebody help us!
Lotsaboys,

So you took the Anti-yeast pregnancy pack during pregnancy???  I was wondering that but didn't want to bug you.  Could you share what you did on diet, a little more specifically?  Did you have die off during the pregnancy?

Thanks, sorry to bug you some more.  My hubby is a little nervous, so I'm just trying to make sure I cover my bases and not surprise him or me :P.

Cara

Yes, I took it during the last trimester and since I didn't have majorly bad symptoms, I don't recall any die-off. Umm, diet. I didn't watch my carbs, but ate in a NT way so I wasn't eating much of anything that would feed yeast. Sorry, I'm not much help. :-\ I mainly took it because I knew I had enough yeast that I was passing it to my last couple babies and had thrush, diaper rash and I was extremely susceptible to breast infection. I have had none of the above with this baby. And I felt great, had better digestion than most pregnancies and neither baby nor I have picked up any of the bugs that have passed through our family. Don't know if that's exactly related, but I'm just trying to relay that I think the anti-yeast pack contributed to our success. hth :)

YES lotsaboys, thanks so much.  I have been worried that I won't be successful with this because I can't go low carb, but you have given me hope.  I do need to go straight NT type eating and more protein (more carb hungry in first trimester ???) never have understood that one, but anyway, that is very encouraging.  My #9 gal had some skin issues, so perhaps it might help.  Also, it might decrease my carb cravings, too.

Thanks a bunch,
Cara
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: lotsaboys November 02, 2007, 04:15:49 PM

YES lotsaboys, thanks so much.  I have been worried that I won't be successful with this because I can't go low carb, but you have given me hope.  I do need to go straight NT type eating and more protein (more carb hungry in first trimester ???) never have understood that one, but anyway, that is very encouraging.  My #9 gal had some skin issues, so perhaps it might help.  Also, it might decrease my carb cravings, too.

Thanks a bunch,
Cara

Hey, glad I could encourage you.  :-*
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: cecac November 05, 2007, 11:25:28 AM
Just thought I'd post and say that I had forgotten that since I had Group B Strep with baby #1, like 17 years ago ::), I get 2 doses of antibiotic pumped into me when I go to the hospital to deliver. :o  Dh said no on the homebirth this time (and I was somewhat relieved, I admit.)  I'm not as young as I used to be, I guess.

So, I get to be completely wiped out of good stuff and bad stuff come end of May.  Will have had the same thing May two years before.

So, my plan of action is to do the Beeyoutiful pack now (I'm ordering today), keep up with Tummy Tune Up or some sort of probiotic through the rest of the pregnancy, have the baby, flood myself with more probiotics, and then maybe do the cleanse again.  I'm not sure when, though. 

Not sure I should flood myself with garlic the rest of the pregnancy, though, but I'll certainly take opinions.  On account of the neighbors, you understand. 

Seriously, though, what do you all think about the garlic?  Likely I'd just go to raw garlic cloves a couple of times per day for the remainder of the pregnancy.  Goodness I spend a lot on supplements, so I guess since it's cheaper my family and the neighbors will just have to get over it.

Or, I could stop the garlic after the cleanse, and then pick back up at like 34 weeks.  I usually deliver between 36 & 38 weeks.

I'll blame WTM if anybody gets offended ;D,
Cara
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: beppyjo November 05, 2007, 11:42:07 AM
Hey Cara!
  Just thought I would recommend that you make sure that you are tested again for GBS. I was + with my first, I don't think they even checked with my 2nd because I had been with my first. I had a new Dr with #3 and she said that it varies pregnancy to pregnancy. I was tested and was neg!!!! I was so glad to avoid the mega doses of antibiotics this time around. So, if I were you , I would make sure to be tested again in case you are neg. this time and can avoid all of that!

 As far as the garlic and probiotics go, I think that it would be a very good thing and may improve your chances of testing neg.  JMO

B
 
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: cecac November 05, 2007, 11:50:24 AM
Thanks beppyjo,

Unfortunately, since I had strep B in the uterus, they don't care whether I test positive or not :P.  Maybe it has to do with the hospitals here.  I tried to fight it once with a midwife in a hospital, and it was no go. 

LOL, I don't ever test positive.  But, I guess I can ask my poor OB, again. :D  He'd have to fight the hospital, though. Only way I can go no antibiotic is to either 1. have a homebirth or 2. go to MS and forge my records there.  Believe me, I've thought about it.

So you vote I take the garlic all the way through and afterwards.

Thanks for that,
Cara
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: healthybratt November 08, 2007, 10:28:12 AM
Hey Cara!
  Just thought I would recommend that you make sure that you are tested again for GBS. I was + with my first, I don't think they even checked with my 2nd because I had been with my first. I had a new Dr with #3 and she said that it varies pregnancy to pregnancy. I was tested and was neg!!!! I was so glad to avoid the mega doses of antibiotics this time around. So, if I were you , I would make sure to be tested again in case you are neg. this time and can avoid all of that!

 As far as the garlic and probiotics go, I think that it would be a very good thing and may improve your chances of testing neg.  JMO

B
 
Exactly what I was thinking.
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: cecac November 08, 2007, 10:55:29 AM
Thanks ladies. My pack is coming in the mail, and beeyoutiful did e-mail me back and let me know that the products in the preggars pack will not send me into any type of cleanse (hence, there should be no die off symptoms).  I think, upon ya'll recommendation, I'll keep up with some garlic tabs and a probiotic throughout the pregnancy.  I'll likely be way more consistent if it's all in tab form, I'm having to down supplements three times a day anyway.

Okay, so someone else (can't find it to insert quote) wants to know about the parasite cleanse.  As far as what beeyoutiful e-mailed me, it was my understanding that you will not get a parasite cleanse with this preggars pack.

We can't do that due to our preggar inability to cleanse.  But, if we keep our probiotics high and do some garlic, maybe we can keep it in check?

I have thoughts on GBS, think I'll pop over to that thread and share.

Thanks again for all thoughts,
Cara

EDIT:  I just looked at the pregnancy anti-yeast pak, and the acidophilus blast does say, "for daily use in cleansing your body of yeast and/or parasites."  I guess it's just an aid?   ???  Perhaps without Yeast Assasin, which we cannot take, it doesn't actually cleanse?  ???
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: little mama November 08, 2007, 01:50:44 PM
I take it that I should avoid anything that would cause die off symptoms while I'm nursing, is that correct?
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: cecac November 08, 2007, 03:20:56 PM
I am thinking that, also.  I re-read a portion of the e-mail sent to me by someone at beeyoutiful, and she said I would not want a product like Yeast Assassin because it would cause die-off symptoms.  The pregnancy pak from beeyoutiful builds up but has no products in it to cause die off.

So likely, we wouldn't want to do anything that would cause die-off, right?

HTH,
Cara
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: cecac November 16, 2007, 09:17:23 AM
I am wondering what's going on here ???.

I started the Anti-yeast preggars pack from Beeyoutiful this week.  Have noticed twice now that I can get nauseated/tummy upset if the supplements are taken too far away from eating.

Last night was one of those times, and it was the worst.  I swallowed my supplements a little before bed (congratulating myself for taking them three times) and then woke up enough at some point last night with stomach cramps.

I don't know--is this cleansing?  If it is, I thought I wasn't supposed to do that.  I hadn't been nauseated for two or so weeks now, so  ???

I am taking no supplements today and hopefully will get back on track tomorrow, but perhaps I need to take those beeyoutiful ones with only breakfast and lunch.  The other thought might be that I'm just getting too much of the good stuff taking three doses per day.  There's a lot of probiotics, soil organisms, etc in these supplements, so can you overdo it?

Thanks for any ideas,
Cara
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: Pastorswife2B November 16, 2007, 11:00:24 AM
just one thought, some people experience some discomfort with garlic and enzymes on an empty stomach.  And I would think if your actually experiencing detox it wouldn't matter if you took them on a full or empty stomach you would still have symptoms.

-Heather
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: cecac November 16, 2007, 11:25:58 AM
Thank you, so I guess you're saying that it's not cleansing.  I hope not.  I don't know, though, because I am having stomach issues all day today, even with no supplement intake. :-\  I'm even nauseated.
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: Sparkys9 November 16, 2007, 12:39:04 PM
I have had stomach problems when I took probiotics by themselves as well. Ditto with my vitamins. I just think it's a good idea to take most supplements with food unless the bottle or your care provider states otherwise. Just my opinion.Amy
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: cecac November 16, 2007, 12:54:35 PM
Thanks Amy, I think I'll do that and also only take them twice per day.
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: lotsaboys November 16, 2007, 02:47:28 PM
Cara, I always took them with meals and not on an empty stomach at bedtime. :) I don't remember ever having that problem.
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: cecac November 16, 2007, 03:07:31 PM
Thank you lotsaboys,

That gives me a little more confidence.  I was kinda thinking of just putting all of this in the freezer and trying again postpartum.  I don't think I'll go over two doses per day for a bit, though.  I haven't felt too well in the tummy today.  It's almost like I went acidic or something. :-\
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: larissakissa November 26, 2007, 09:10:18 AM
Hello Ladies,
Just a quick question.  Is it safe to take an enzyme digestive, a probiotic and garlic when preggo?  (and do the yeast diet)
 I'm 23 weeks preggo and my dh wants me to stop the yeast cleanse/diet because he thinks it's hurting the baby.  We started the cleanse on Sunday so it's only been one day.   He just thinks that I shouldn't cut out all sugars and food like potatoes and flour because the baby needs it.  ::)  Although I don't think that the baby does really need those foods to be healthy.  Should I maybe still eat some kind of foods and not cut everything out completely?  I just want to be shure that I'm not hurting the baby in any way.  Thank you for all your input!  :)
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: cecac November 26, 2007, 09:16:26 AM
Hello Ladies,
Just a quick question.  Is it safe to take an enzyme digestive, a probiotic and garlic when preggo?  (and do the yeast diet)
 I'm 23 weeks preggo and my dh wants me to stop the yeast cleanse/diet because he thinks it's hurting the baby.  We started the cleanse on Sunday so it's only been one day.   He just thinks that I shouldn't cut out all sugars and food like potatoes and flour because the baby needs it.  ::)  Although I don't think that the baby does really need those foods to be healthy.  Should I maybe still eat some kind of foods and not cut everything out completely?  I just want to be shure that I'm not hurting the baby in any way.  Thank you for all your input!  :)

Lotsaboys might chime in here--she did not alter diet (except going whole foods completely) and did the anti-yeast pregnancy pack from beeyoutiful.  I am doing the same, starting today.  I backed off because the combo of stuff in the beeyoutiful pack gave me problems with my stomach, but I found out I couldn't do the stuff without food.  I am okay today taking my doses with meals or whole raw milk.

I agree about not hurting the baby.  The thing is, if we cut out too much stuff, we might go into detox. :-\  My personal opinion here, but I don't think it harms anybody to completely cut sugar and maybe go lower on complex carbs.  Also, going very strict on only whole grains as opposed to white flour should not harm baby or you, IMO.  That is what I'm attempting to do this week.  I do not forsee any cleansing from doing that.

I'll chime in if I do see any of that.  It may get interesting around here this week.

Cara 
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: lotsaboys November 26, 2007, 09:56:25 AM
Hello Ladies,
Just a quick question.  Is it safe to take an enzyme digestive, a probiotic and garlic when preggo?  (and do the yeast diet)
 I'm 23 weeks preggo and my dh wants me to stop the yeast cleanse/diet because he thinks it's hurting the baby.  We started the cleanse on Sunday so it's only been one day.   He just thinks that I shouldn't cut out all sugars and food like potatoes and flour because the baby needs it.  ::)  Although I don't think that the baby does really need those foods to be healthy.  Should I maybe still eat some kind of foods and not cut everything out completely?  I just want to be shure that I'm not hurting the baby in any way.  Thank you for all your input!  :)

A couple things come to mind- first of all it might make some difference how bad your yeast issues are as to how much you need to do to take care of it. My symptoms were mild so I ate carbs but only occasional natural sweetners since that was our normal diet anyhow. I would be very cautious about restricting your diet too much when pg esp. in the line of good fats and whole foods. Its not gonna hurt baby one bit to eliminate sugar and in fact will do you both good as that's one of yeast's biggest contributors. And like cecac mentioned you don't want detox problems.

My personal experience was to eat all I wanted of regular, healthy foods, including potatoes and ww flour and just did the anti-yeast stuff from Beeyoutiful. I never had any negative side effects and baby and I were so much healthier than my last 3 or 4 babies/pregnancies. No thrush and diaper rash for him and no breast infection, digestive issues for me!
Hope I made sense for ya. :)
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: cecac November 26, 2007, 10:08:35 AM
I want to clarify--when I say going slightly lower carb, I am going to try to do this:  three eggs fried in butter with cheese and whole raw milk for breakfast, salad with a chicken breast or beef with olive oil dressing and cheese for lunch, and whatever the family is eating (which will likely include whole grains, potatoes, etc) for dinner.  Some days, like today, I may eat Ezekial bread with peanut butter and veggies with raw milk for lunch.  There is no sweetners in the Ezekial bread, as justjane recommended earlier in the thread.

I did the eggs with milk this morning, no problem.

Ya'll think that's too low carb?  I'm doing this to help control my weight (Thanksgiving was NOT helpful for poundage in the preggars department) and also to help my dh lose weight. 

Cara
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: larissakissa November 26, 2007, 10:42:11 AM
Thank you for the reply.  It does kind of make sense not to eliminate everything.  You said that you drand raw milk.  I can't afford to get raw milk here,  :-[ (the only place they sell it charges $15.00 a gallon) so can I drink organic store bought milk? 
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: cecac November 26, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
Thank you for the reply.  It does kind of make sense not to eliminate everything.  You said that you drand raw milk.  I can't afford to get raw milk here,  :-[ (the only place they sell it charges $15.00 a gallon) so can I drink organic store bought milk? 

It sounds good to me, unless you have an allergy.  My dh is allergic to anything but raw milk, so we don't have a choice when we do dairy.  $15--whew!!

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: Sparkys9 November 26, 2007, 11:39:31 AM
If you want to know how your diet is effecting you, get someone to do a 10 way or 11 way urine strip on you. That's how I found out about my ketoacidosis ( mentioned earlier on this thread, please read that). Also, if you're constantly hungry, you can probably guess your nutritional needs are under met. That was my problem. It would probably be better to cut out white sugar and flour, limit potatoes and whole grains and EXERCISE if you want to help control your weight gain. Just my 2 cents. Amy
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: cecac November 26, 2007, 11:44:16 AM
Hello Sparkys,

I totally agree about the hungry--not a good sign (for me, it means cutting too many carbs).
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: larissakissa November 26, 2007, 03:26:24 PM
Thank you ladies for your replies!  I do feel hungry a lot, so that's bad.  I think I'll keep taking the enzyme and the probiotic and just add more food variety like potatoes, fruit, milk  and some bread.  I think that should do it.  ;D
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: cecac November 27, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
Just checking in--I think I am in a bit of a cleanse because of the supplements and the "no sugar/lower carb" after Thanksgiving.  If it doesn't level out in a day or two, then I'll pick up more bread and slow it down.  I had a slight headache and two bm's instead of one today.  Some nausea yesterday and today, but nothing extreme.

I think I went too low-carb today.  Cut grains breakfast and lunch and by 4:30 I wasn't feeling too well.  I don't think I'll do that again. 

Cara
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: mama star December 10, 2007, 06:56:00 PM

I agree about not hurting the baby.  The thing is, if we cut out too much stuff, we might go into detox. :-\  My personal opinion here, but I don't think it harms anybody to completely cut sugar and maybe go lower on complex carbs. 

Cara 

Hi Gals, I'm confused.....I thought I read in the Yeast Die Off Thread that even if you ONLY stop sugar and carbs you will experience die off/detox even without supplements or anything because you will be starving the yeast. So how can you cut out sugar and not detox? Is that right?

I have had yeast/fungal problems for about 8 years (ever since I took antiobiotics for my acne. Wouldn't have done it if I knew what would happen)and never really did anything about it. Now it is getting bad and I have been prego and/or nursing for the last three years. I am nursing and 3 months prego now and the Candida is taking a major toll on my immune system and over all health, I have been sick with some kind of cold/flue for half this year (I take supplements, immune bossting things but the issue is bigger). I  have got to do something. I fear it will be a huge die off for me. But would being free of yeast/fungus be better for my children and me than the die off? I need some wisdom...Thank you!

-Cassandra
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: cecac December 11, 2007, 08:28:40 AM
Wellll, IMO, if you do not do anything that causes excess die off, I am thinking, still, that it will only be helpful to you, your new little one, and your nursing one, to get completely off sugar and only allow yourself whole grains, strictly.

Kinda hard at Christmas ::), and I'm not completely practicing what I'm preaching here, but I am doing better.

I am NOT going low complex carb.  It really depends on how hungry I get.  I will not allow myself to go that pit-of-my-stomach-is-empty hungry because I've done that before and I can bet my bottom dollar I'll go deficient in something.  I've had 9 healthy children, so I guess that they get all the goody and we get left deficient as the mamas.  So I don't worry about weight.  I eat to satisfaction, and I try to make sure the most of it is whole foods. I highly recommend going no sugar, no preservatives, no chemicals, and only whole grains as much as possible.  I am not perfect at it, but I do the best I can. (I am 15 weeks preggars right now).

I recommend the anti-yeast preggars pack from beeyoutiful.  I've not experienced any detox from it, but I don't have symptoms, per se, of candida yeast.  I have had antibiotics pumped into me in labor, let's see, three times, I think.  I don't see any harm in some prevention at this point in my life.  When I'm done with the preggars pack, it has been recommended in this thread that I keep up with the acidophilus pills and the garlic pills.  I'm hoping to do that.

Don't stop carbs, IMO, because you cannot afford to.  If you take in whole grains, veggies, and fruit (maybe less fruit for less sugar if you're doing some stuff for candida overgrowth), then you are taking in the complex carbs that do not convert to sugars as quickly. 

I feel that is the farthest we should go in pregnancy and/or nursing.

HTH,
Cara
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: mama star December 11, 2007, 06:02:10 PM

I recommend the anti-yeast preggars pack from beeyoutiful.  I've not experienced any detox from it, but I don't have symptoms, per se, of candida yeast.  I have had antibiotics pumped into me in labor, let's see, three times, I think. 

HTH,
Cara

Cara (love that name)
Thanks for the feedback! I had antibiotics with my first born which was two years ago and I feel like I have been sick alot ever since (didn't know about probiotics then either).

I ordered the preggers pack yesterday...I tried it a year ago but didn't stop the sugar intake so I don't think it did a lick of good for me. I am on day two of no sugar or simple carbs (it is soooo hard! My craving for sugar is incredible). I am staying on the dairy but still not sure about grains yet. I understand your opinion about it though. So far I have been able to not go hungry and I already feel a difference. We'll see how it goes! My husband is really encouraging me to stick with it! It is a bummer though because we just went shopping and now most of it I can't eat! And now we don't really have to money to get me special food. I will have to wait till next week. So lots of veggies, meat and dairy in the mean time...... Thanks for the advice! We will pray about it.

-Cassandra

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: Myjoy March 15, 2008, 09:18:43 AM
Can anyone tell me why being pregnant may cause a vaginal infection? I never had any problems when pregnant with my first (boy), but I got them off and on for the last half of my pregnancy with my daughter. Now, almost 8 months later, I just got one and my milk supply has lessened, making me think I might be pregnant again. I don't think I have problems with yeast because this has never happened before now. Anyone know what happens in the body when you're pregnant that might contribute? I am doing garlic and tea tree right now, but not noticing any change as of yet.
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: jhandrh March 15, 2008, 03:00:52 PM
Can anyone tell me why being pregnant may cause a vaginal infection? I never had any problems when pregnant with my first (boy), but I got them off and on for the last half of my pregnancy with my daughter. Now, almost 8 months later, I just got one and my milk supply has lessened, making me think I might be pregnant again. I don't think I have problems with yeast because this has never happened before now. Anyone know what happens in the body when you're pregnant that might contribute? I am doing garlic and tea tree right now, but not noticing any change as of yet.

I don't know of anything documented on this, but hormone fluctuations seem to cause yeast infections for me.  I usually ended up with at least one or two yeast infections during the course of each of my pregnancies.  I don't know what to tell you if garlic and tea tree don't do the trick, though.  Maybe OTC monistat?  That always helped me, but that was before I explored any natural options.  So maybe someone else may have something more helpful in to add in that department.
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: Myjoy March 17, 2008, 10:54:02 AM
So, anyone else have any idea why pregnancy brings yeast infections, and even not just pregnancy, but being pregnant with a girl?
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: burlsgirl March 17, 2008, 11:12:02 AM
So, anyone else have any idea why pregnancy brings yeast infections, and even not just pregnancy, but being pregnant with a girl?

Myjoy,

It's not just girls! Both my sister & I had terrible yeast infections w/ our boys!! For me, it was my first ever infection and my FOURTH pregnancy, the only one that was a boy baby!  Go figure. :)
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: 3boysmyjoys March 17, 2008, 11:48:19 AM
I am wanting to do an anti-yeast cleanse.  I have a baby that's 2 months old and I read that doing the regular one from Beeyoutiful would dry up my milk.  Does anyone know if I can do the Pregnancy anti-yeast cleanse whiloe I'm nursing?  Also, has anyone else done it with success?
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: cecac March 17, 2008, 12:03:31 PM
This thread might be helpful:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html

Blessings,
Cara
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: 3boysmyjoys March 17, 2008, 12:09:10 PM
I appreciate the link, but it seems that everyone on it was pregnant.  I honestly don't have a lot of time to read every post so I was wondering if someone could give me a quick answer.
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: cecac March 17, 2008, 12:16:43 PM
I'm thinking horomone fluctuations that for some reason cause enough imbalance to allow a yeast infection.  I've had that happen, lemme think, once in pregnancy (oh no, maybe twice, but I nixed it the last time naturally with ACV).  Well, I had one right after a birth where I had to have antibiotics, so that one was easy to know about. ::)

The question to me would be does that just go away after that one pregnancy, or two, or does it really indicate that there is at least a minor imbalance the rest of the time?  Might would indicate the need for a cleanse and careful diet for a while for the re-building of the natural balance of the v*ginal area.

Just some thoughts,
Cara
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: cecac March 17, 2008, 12:22:34 PM
There is a pregnancy anti-yeast pak from www.beeyoutiful.com which we discussed on that other thread.  I am thinking that it would also do for nursing.  I am also thinking you could do some dietary modification if you want to, but nothing that would cause toxin dumping just like in pregnancy because it would go to baby.  We discussed whole grains only, no sugar, higher protein and fat intake, and less fruit (I think).

You can e-mail the people at beeyoutiful to make sure the anti-yeast pak from them does not have any ingredients that would dry up milk.  They are very helpful over there.

HTH,
Cara
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: jewelrylight March 18, 2008, 04:02:12 AM
How do you know if your candida is advanced enough to be leaky gut syndrome which in turn apparently can cause the dairy allergies among others?
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: healthybratt March 18, 2008, 08:23:50 AM
Can anyone tell me why being pregnant may cause a vaginal infection? I never had any problems when pregnant with my first (boy), but I got them off and on for the last half of my pregnancy with my daughter. Now, almost 8 months later, I just got one and my milk supply has lessened, making me think I might be pregnant again. I don't think I have problems with yeast because this has never happened before now. Anyone know what happens in the body when you're pregnant that might contribute? I am doing garlic and tea tree right now, but not noticing any change as of yet.
If your progesterone levels surge during pregnancy, this could feed an already waiting batch of yeast which would cause them to multiply more rapidly.  I wouldn't think that the pregnancy caused you to have yeast, just caused them to grow faster.
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: healthybratt March 18, 2008, 08:24:44 AM
How do you know if your candida is advanced enough to be leaky gut syndrome which in turn apparently can cause the dairy allergies among others?

There are tests, but if it were me, I would just assume based on my symptoms.
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: bpryor April 10, 2008, 08:08:42 AM
I'm currently on a yeast cleanse diet while nursing, and my 2 mo old son is experiencing mucous in his stool. He seems just fine other than that.  Anyone have a similar experence?  Should I worry?
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: HelpmeetPlusHelpers April 10, 2008, 09:16:04 AM
How long have you been seeing mucus in his stools? 2 months is really young so he may just still be adjusting to your diet coming through in your milk. I have done the yeats cleanse while nursing and it changed her stools quite a bit. I don't remember mucus though.
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: bpryor April 10, 2008, 09:36:21 AM
I've just noticed it yesterday and today, and have been on the diet for 3 days.
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: Aura April 14, 2008, 08:17:37 AM
Which probiotic is best for treating candida? I'm nursing my 3-month-old and am currently taking TTU, but I was thinking of trying a different probiotic. Acidophilus Blast has a higher probiotic count, but Ultimate Defense has more strains. From the product description, it sounded like UD would be better, but I read somewhere on here that acidophilus is better for fighting yeast. Which would be the preferred one? Thanks!

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: Whiterock April 14, 2008, 10:14:15 AM
I'm about to do a[nother] yeast cleanse and I am still nursing. Josiah is 1 year old now so it wouldn't be a biggie if my milk production slowed or even stopped. So I was wondering about Yeast Assassin (or Candida Clear from NOW)... By what action do the herbs in YA cause your milk supply to decrease? Is it from loss of fluids, or something else? If it's dehydration, do you think I could just drink more fluids and avoid loosing all my milk?

Thanks,
WR
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: Livelovely April 14, 2008, 10:31:20 AM
I'm about to do a[nother] yeast cleanse and I am still nursing. Josiah is 1 year old now so it wouldn't be a biggie if my milk production slowed or even stopped. So I was wondering about Yeast Assassin (or Candida Clear from NOW)... By what action do the herbs in YA cause your milk supply to decrease? Is it from loss of fluids, or something else? If it's dehydration, do you think I could just drink more fluids and avoid loosing all my milk?

Thanks,
WR
I believe it's because it contains black walnut and that is one herb that was used to help dry up mother's milk. 
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: Whiterock April 14, 2008, 10:43:49 AM
I'm about to do a[nother] yeast cleanse and I am still nursing. Josiah is 1 year old now so it wouldn't be a biggie if my milk production slowed or even stopped. So I was wondering about Yeast Assassin (or Candida Clear from NOW)... By what action do the herbs in YA cause your milk supply to decrease? Is it from loss of fluids, or something else? If it's dehydration, do you think I could just drink more fluids and avoid loosing all my milk?

Thanks,
WR
I believe it's because it contains black walnut and that is one herb that was used to help dry up mother's milk. 

Yes, but how does the black walnut dry up the milk? Is it a hormone thing or does it cause a loss of fluids or is it something else entirely? I think that sometimes a decrease in milk can be avoided if the mode of action is known and compensated for, KWIM? So I'm trying to find out how it cause the decrease in milk.

WR
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: healthybratt April 14, 2008, 11:38:44 AM
Which probiotic is best for treating candida? I'm nursing my 3-month-old and am currently taking TTU, but I was thinking of trying a different probiotic. Acidophilus Blast has a higher probiotic count, but Ultimate Defense has more strains. From the product description, it sounded like UD would be better, but I read somewhere on here that acidophilus is better for fighting yeast. Which would be the preferred one? Thanks!



...our line of Tummy Tuneup probiotic products are like tools. You pick the best one for the job you are trying to accomplish. We have tried to simplify this process, but we still have some work to do.

...

My personal opinion is that for a yeast problem [Tummy Tuneup] TT6 is your best bet. We have just gone to a new formula which gives a LOT more Acidophilus, 4 billion vs 2 billion... Why? Studies have shown that L. acidophilus retards the growth of yeast. Since yeast is constantly reproducing, it makes sense to hit it with Yeast Assassin to kill it off, and also use high doses of Acidophilus Blast (TT6) to retard it's regrowth. TT6 is an inexpensive way to get these high doses of Acidophilus.

However, I do not believe that a primarily acidophilus product is the best for repopulating your intestinal flora. That is where TT8 and TT12 come in. See each of the different strains of good bacteria do different things. Some of these have been identified, many have not. There is a lot that we don't know. We do know that a particular strain, "does good things" but not the why or the how of it. So, it is good to repopulate using a variety of methods. Supplements are good, but also fermented foods and soft cheeses are good. Repopulation doesn't happen overnight. I was told by a doctor that it could take up to 6 months after a course of antibiotics for intestinal flora to reach its pre-antibiotic levels. And that is with supplementing. Most people don't supplement, and end up with nagging conditions that they think are normal. "That's just the way my body is." They have never known differently, because almost all of us were introduced to antibiotics at an early age, and several times a year thereafter.

TT12 is obviously the Rolls Royce of probiotics. It contains the most strains and they come from several sources. It really is the best product for probiotic repopulation. But, it is also the most expensive, and is not as stable as TT8. It needs to be stored in a cool, dry place, or refrigerated, to maintain its potency. (So does TT6 new and old). TT8 is a breakthrough product that is super stable. I'm not saying that the potency is not at all affected by environmental conditions. I'm sure that it is. But the affects are much reduced. And, the numbers on the bottle are the estimated delivery assuming normal, unrefrigerated use. So you can carry it around in your diaper bag, or purse, or leave it sitting in the van like I do, for those times when you need it, and it will still get the job done. TT12 and TT6 wouldn't appreciate a day out on the town, and would lose much of their potency. TT8 is also cheaper, so for many, this is the probiotic of choice, the best all around product with the most usability...
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: Livelovely April 14, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
According to my herb book it says that black walnut amongst other things is an astringent.  Astringent by definition is one that is used to contract tissues and halt discharges.  Am I getting this all wrong?  I'm thinking that it halts lactation because of it's astringent qualities.
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: Whiterock April 14, 2008, 11:53:47 AM
According to my herb book it says that black walnut amongst other things is an astringent.  Astringent by definition is one that is used to contract tissues and halt discharges.  Am I getting this all wrong?  I'm thinking that it halts lactation because of it's astringent qualities.

Thanks!
WR
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: bizymum May 06, 2008, 03:39:46 AM
Ok, I'm looking for some thoughts/opinions.  I take my showers at night, and every night when I'm in the shower, my br**sts and "down under" gets very itchy.   :oI'm fine during the day, though.  I'm thinking this is a yeast issue??  I've been taking 3 garlic tabs and 3TTU6 throughout the day, as well as my prenatals that have alot of enzymes.  But this just keeps hanging on.  Am I missing something?   ???I really want this cleared up before baby comes!! Any thoughts would be appreciated!  Thanks!! 
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: Roehrmomma May 06, 2008, 03:54:19 AM
Itching last night kept me awake for over two hours! I was so frustrated. It has been happening for a week. Just not so bad that I can't sleep like last night. I itch so bad it almost burns.  And it is more than just at night. But not all day.I am saying 'down under' Just tried to get it from the front page. ;)

I would also like a answer on can it be yeast?
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: bizymum May 06, 2008, 08:01:44 AM
Thanks, Emily.  I wasn't thinking.  I should have been more careful....  :-\
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: Roehrmomma May 06, 2008, 08:07:38 AM
Thanks, Emily.  I wasn't thinking.  I should have been more careful....  :-\

I don't remember if you were on the front page. :D 

Anyone have an answer? I am about to go crazy! :D
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: bizymum May 06, 2008, 08:13:24 AM
After reading back over this thread today, I'm going to start rinsing with diluted ACV during my showers and see if that helps.  I used to do this regularly, but have gotten out of the habit. 
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: healthybratt May 06, 2008, 08:17:35 AM
Itching last night kept me awake for over two hours! I was so frustrated. It has been happening for a week. Just not so bad that I can't sleep like last night. I itch so bad it almost burns.  And it is more than just at night. But not all day.I am saying 'down under' Just tried to get it from the front page. ;)

I would also like a answer on can it be yeast?
It could be but I would guess you still use shampoo?  If not, then I'd be looking for other sources.  I used to itch this bad from SLS exposure.  Yeast made me itch too, but it was more localized in rashes and came and went.  The SLS used to bother me mostly at night (liver related maybe) and it was maddening how badly it made me itch.
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: bizymum May 06, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Yay, HB!!  I was hoping you'd help us!  We use SLS free shampoo and bar soap for washing.  I do still use conditioner, though.  But the itching starts as soon as I get wet, even before I've started to wash..??..
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: Roehrmomma May 06, 2008, 08:21:26 AM
HB

I use shampoo once MAYBE twice a week.(yesterday!) I will stop and see if that helps. Hope so.  I would much rather hurt than itch!   

  My liver is also dirty which I am working on right now. So I hope they both nip it!

thanks
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: healthybratt May 06, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Yay, HB!!  I was hoping you'd help us!  We use SLS free shampoo and bar soap for washing.  I do still use conditioner, though.  But the itching starts as soon as I get wet, even before I've started to wash..??..
Most conditioners don't contain SLS, but I would check your label just in case.  Also, I find that I (pesonally) am senstive to ALL detergents, not just SLS.  That includes cocamide betain (in any shape or form), ALS, and there are a few others mentioned in the nopoo thread and the SLS thread. 

I'll think on your situation a bit more and see if my dusty brain can come up with something else.

In Em's case, I'd still say it's the shampoo.  If it were me, I would stop using it altogether and see if it helps.  If you don't see any improvement in a few days, then you might reassess.

Also, we are heading for a topic derail, so if you have more questions that don't relate directly to yeast, post them here.  You might also find some more ideas for causes.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.0.html)
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: jhandrh May 06, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
Itching last night kept me awake for over two hours! I was so frustrated. It has been happening for a week. Just not so bad that I can't sleep like last night. I itch so bad it almost burns.  And it is more than just at night. But not all day.I am saying 'down under' Just tried to get it from the front page. ;)

I would also like a answer on can it be yeast?

I would definitely think yeast would be a possibility.  from my own experience, a yeast infection in "that area" burns burns burns.  I told dh on more than one occasion it feels like it's burning inside me, all the way up to my bellybutton.  In my pre-wtm days I went for the monistat at that point.  I have tried the garlic clove thing and it helped somewhat but did not take care of it entirely.  I probably didn't use it long enough though.  I think you can do it for 3 days if needed.  When I am done breastfeeding I plan to do a yeast cleanse to either get rid of the problem once for all or at least cut way way down on the incidences.  But if it's bad enough, IMO, the natural stuff might not quite take care of it and you might need to do monistat for 3-7 days to get some relief.  Also i'd be prepared for it to get worse before it gets better.  For me it seemed like once the monistat hit the yeast it got worse for a day or two, then started to get better.  HTH.
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: mamato5 June 12, 2008, 04:57:32 PM
I'm sorry if this isn't the right spot to post this. I know I have a problem with Candida and plan to order Acidophilus Blast and maybe Tummy Tuneup too, need to do more reading. My more immediate problem though is itching between my fingers and toes. It's like athlete's foot between my fingers. I've been reading for 2 days trying to make sure it wasn't answered somewhere already, but the itching is driving me crazy. What would you ladies recommend? I have tto and lavender oil. The lavender oil seems to help for a short amount of time, but doesn't take it completely away. I'm scared to use the tto because I used it full strength once and I got a terrible rash which was very itchy. I just don't know what to do. ??? Should I put the tto in lotion maybe? Hope someone can help. Thanks, Brandi
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: mamato5 June 13, 2008, 03:23:48 AM
I'm sorry if this isn't the right spot to post this. I know I have a problem with Candida and plan to order Acidophilus Blast and maybe Tummy Tuneup too, need to do more reading. My more immediate problem though is itching between my fingers and toes. It's like athlete's foot between my fingers. I've been reading for 2 days trying to make sure it wasn't answered somewhere already, but the itching is driving me crazy. What would you ladies recommend? I have tto and lavender oil. The lavender oil seems to help for a short amount of time, but doesn't take it completely away. I'm scared to use the tto because I used it full strength once and I got a terrible rash which was very itchy. I just don't know what to do. ??? Should I put the tto in lotion maybe? Hope someone can help. Thanks, Brandi

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: healthybratt June 13, 2008, 03:44:09 AM
I'm sorry if this isn't the right spot to post this. I know I have a problem with Candida and plan to order Acidophilus Blast and maybe Tummy Tuneup too, need to do more reading. My more immediate problem though is itching between my fingers and toes. It's like athlete's foot between my fingers. I've been reading for 2 days trying to make sure it wasn't answered somewhere already, but the itching is driving me crazy. What would you ladies recommend? I have tto and lavender oil. The lavender oil seems to help for a short amount of time, but doesn't take it completely away. I'm scared to use the tto because I used it full strength once and I got a terrible rash which was very itchy. I just don't know what to do. ??? Should I put the tto in lotion maybe? Hope someone can help. Thanks, Brandi
Are you certain it's yeast?  If it is, then most any yeast killer should work (read back through this thread and others on yeast for ideas).  Do you have a rash or does it just itch?  If there's no rash to speak of or if you have those weird looking blisters that almost resemble bug bites, I would suspect SLS.
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: mamato5 June 13, 2008, 04:56:52 AM
I'm pretty sure it's yeast, I've got most of the things on the leaky gut list. I had a long fight with ringworm and I get a lot of yeast infections and get athlete's foot every summer. My mom, brother, and sister recently did the maker's diet and she's positive it's yeast too. I do have the weird looking bumps and it's spreading, but just between my fingers and toes. I put 2-3 drops tto in lotion and it's helping the itching. I just was wondering if there was something better I could put on it. I did read a lot, but didn't see much more than an anti-yeast creme. I think I'll eat a garlic clove daily, order the ttu and acidophilus blast, and try to cut out sugar. Hopefully that helps. Thanks for answering. Brandi
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: 4myhoonie June 13, 2008, 06:39:09 AM
Should I put the tto in lotion maybe? Hope someone can help. Thanks, Brandi

i would try mixing a few drops of the tea tree with a tablespoon of coconut oil (if you have any--it's anti-fungal) or another carrier oil.  (almond, olive, etc.) the carrier should keep you from reacting to the tea tree. 

the best thing i have found in addition to the no sugar/white flour diet for yeast, is to take your probiotics first thing in the am.

also, something new i learned recently is that the Primal defense Ultra has Saccharomyces Boulardii as the first bacteria listed--which eats the same food that the Candida Yeast eat. 

http://www.vitacost.com/Garden-of-Life-Primal-Defense-Ultra

so there is less carbs available for the yeast to eat!  i have been taking this first thing in the am, with 2 acidophilus bifidus.   also, you can take 3 garlic ( i use the odorless stuff from NOW) with each meal.  eat meat, cheese, lots of veggies, and keep your fruit to one "lower glycemic" per day, and small amounts of whole grains.  this is working well for me.  slowly work up to 3 per day before meals, of the probiotics i listed.  you can do it!
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: mamato5 June 13, 2008, 08:08:44 AM
Thanks. I'll check out that link and I do have coconut oil, so I'll try that. This yeast stuff if definitely terrible! Brandi
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: mamato5 June 23, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
I just wanted to let everyone know my "story". I posted awhile ago about this itching/rash/bumps I had on my hands/feet. It woke me up every night and was driving me crazy. I asked HB for info. on SLS b/c she'd said that's what it sounded like. I read a lot. I then ordered Acidophilus Blast, TTU, Dr. Bronner's liquid/bar soap, and a shampoo bar. I'd already been making our laundry soap for awhile or I would've done that too. I received and started using them on Wednesday last week. Starting the very first day the itching/rash was better. It still woke me up at night, but I soaked in Epsom salt for 20 min. and was able to go right back to bed. Last night was the 3rd night in a row that I haven't woke up scratching!! I am convinced that yeast caused the initial problem and that the SLS made it way worse and caused the itching and rash. Just thought I'd share my experience. Hopefully it can help someone. Thanks HB!   ;D
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: mommyjen June 25, 2008, 03:58:55 PM
Antibiotics Ineffective for Newborn Strep 

Researchers conducted a review of infants who had early-onset group B streptococcal (EOGBS) infections and were born in Southern California Kaiser Permanente Hospitals from 1988 through 1996. To summarize:

319 infants with EOGBS sepsis, bacteremia, or clinically suspected infection were identified from a population of 277,912 live births (approximately 1 in every 870 births).

Of the 172 term infants with culture-positive infection who had clinical signs of infection, 95% exhibited them in the first 24 hours of life.

All of the infants exposed to antibiotics during birth became ill within the first 24 hours of life.

Researchers concluded that "Exposure to antibiotics during labor did not change the clinical spectrum of disease or the onset of clinical signs of infection within 24 hours of birth for term infants with EOGBS infection."

Pediatrics August 2000; 106: 244-250

Dr. Mercola's Comments: 

I have seen major complications in the children of mothers who were given this course of therapy. I am certain that it doesn't seriously compromise all infants, but it is a concern and seems to predispose them to an increased risk of allergies, recurrent ear infections, and all sorts of chronic illnesses, such as ADHD and autism. If the decision is made to start the antibiotics it is very important to start the infant on bifidus as soon as possible, and probably keep the doses going for at least 4-8 weeks so the gut can become completely recolonized with the beneficial bacteria.
The use of antibiotic treatment of pregnant women is even more of a concern in light of the fact that prevalence of this type of infection was recently found in a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine to be as high as 29.5%, using a new polymerase chain reaction (PCR) assay. This could mean that nearly 1 out of every 3 pregnant women will be treated with antibiotics, despite the fact that only around 1 in every 870 newborns have even 'suspected' group b strep infections.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/08/13/group-b-strep.aspx

Just though I'd put this out there. I do not take antibiotics as a preventative measure for group b step. I do watch my baby carefully for symptoms (along with my midwife) and then act accordingly.

Just thought I'd post and say that I had forgotten that since I had Group B Strep with baby #1, like 17 years ago ::), I get 2 doses of antibiotic pumped into me when I go to the hospital to deliver. :o  Dh said no on the homebirth this time (and I was somewhat relieved, I admit.)  I'm not as young as I used to be, I guess.

So, I get to be completely wiped out of good stuff and bad stuff come end of May.  Will have had the same thing May two years before.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: Jemima September 29, 2008, 09:47:04 AM
Could you get rid of candida overgrowth by just eliminating sugar, eating fresh garlic daily and taking probiotics? I'm nursing a baby and don't think it'd be a good idea to cut breads.  Will this do anything for getting rid of a yeast problem, though?
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: YoopreMama September 29, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
I don't know, Jemima (HI!)...I know, for me, GF breads seem to help re: yeast...

Things you can do to knock out yeast while pregnant or nursing:

Stop eating sugars and yeasts.

Eat yogurt and kefir.

Take a good probiotic.

Eat a clove of garlic once or twice a day.

Drink Aloe juice/gel.
A good reminder...
 ;D
(and NO Yeast Assassin... ::))
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: ShabbyChic September 29, 2008, 12:51:12 PM
Hey I don't have time to leaf through the 5 pages here, but I successfully did a yeast/candida cleanse while breastfeeding.  We were both fine.  Here's what I did:

For 40 days I ate brown rice and vegetables only.  Nothing else.  (You could eat nuts too, but I was doing it for the sake of staving off a nut allergy so none for me.)  I got creative with the spices, and I grilled them to help change it up a little.  Dipping them in tahini and other home made sauces, etc.

I took Candida Cleanse tablets, probiotics, cloves, garlic, pumpkin oil, coconut oil, black strap molasses and Cod liver oil every day.  And I slathered everything in as much real butter as possible.  It's important to keep the fats high when you're breastfeeding, and the molasses help with minerals and iron.

I had success, and the baby and I are great.  She's VERY healthy.   :D

There are rice breads, and if you don't want to cut sugar completely, I'd just try to do the least amount of sugar possible, and keep it to natural sugars like grains and fruits and not added sugars.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: YoopreMama October 02, 2008, 08:01:10 AM
That is amazing, Shabby...I am so inspired.  Did you get the idea from a specific plan?  Was it to counter the nut thing or to kill yeast?  Or both?

No milk?  No meat?  I could cut out bread, but raw milk/yogurt?   :'(

Did you make any soups w/ the rice and veggies?

I'd love to see a brief menu plan...thinking, thinking...

What was in the Candida Cleanse tablets?
Hey I don't have time to leaf through the 5 pages here, but I successfully did a yeast/candida cleanse while breastfeeding.  We were both fine.  Here's what I did:

For 40 days I ate brown rice and vegetables only.  Nothing else.  (You could eat nuts too, but I was doing it for the sake of staving off a nut allergy so none for me.)  I got creative with the spices, and I grilled them to help change it up a little.  Dipping them in tahini and other home made sauces, etc.

I took Candida Cleanse tablets, probiotics, cloves, garlic, pumpkin oil, coconut oil, black strap molasses and Cod liver oil every day.  And I slathered everything in as much real butter as possible.  It's important to keep the fats high when you're breastfeeding, and the molasses help with minerals and iron.

I had success, and the baby and I are great.  She's VERY healthy.   :D

There are rice breads, and if you don't want to cut sugar completely, I'd just try to do the least amount of sugar possible, and keep it to natural sugars like grains and fruits and not added sugars.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: ShabbyChic October 02, 2008, 11:32:02 AM
Did you get the idea from a specific plan?
I got the idea from a holistic practitioner and it is basically the first stage of the Maker's Diet minus the nuts.

Was it to counter the nut thing or to kill yeast?  Or both?
The holistic friend was certain that the yeast I carried and passed to my daughter was the root of the nut allergy.  She said the the mold from the nuts (and all legumes have this) was the issue.  So killing the yeast eliminated the allergy.

No milk?
No!  I DIED once!   ;D  No sugar of any kind, even lactose.  It was brutal.


No meat?
I did eat meat.  Chicken.  I would have eaten fish if it'd been in the budget, and I may have, but I don't remember it... and I'd have eaten red meat if we were red meat eaters.

I could cut out bread, but raw milk/yogurt?
Yes, cutting the raw milk/yoghurt was VERY hard.  And no CHEESE!  It was torture.

Did you make any soups w/ the rice and veggies?
Yes, but it was sad soup since I couldn't use any beans (legumes).  Mostly broth, chicken and veggies.  And there was a veggie broth, too.

I'd love to see a brief menu plan
Well there was a lot of raw veggies in vinegar/oil.
There were rice crackers with tomatoes and basil.
There was chicken broth with brown rice, celery and carrots.
There were rice tortilla chips with salsa.
There were rice and veggie "patties" like burgers sans the bun.
There were a LOT of eggs and southwestern omelette's.
There were A LOT of sauteed veggies and brown rice in the Wok.  Very heavy on the butter, and creative to change the spices from night to night.
That's all I remember.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: YoopreMama October 06, 2008, 01:05:08 PM
;D
We started a thread on Shabby's 40 day plan:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20852.msg204069.html#msg204069
Come join us!
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: healthybratt October 06, 2008, 04:00:05 PM
Could you get rid of candida overgrowth by just eliminating sugar, eating fresh garlic daily and taking probiotics? I'm nursing a baby and don't think it'd be a good idea to cut breads.  Will this do anything for getting rid of a yeast problem, though?
Maybe, but bread is sugar unless it's gluten free.  Gluten can be converted into food by candida; however if you keep your consumption of bread low (or eat GF), make it whole grain (when counting carbs for other diet plans, they allow you to subtract grams of fiber from your carb total.  i don't know why, but if it works...) and eliminate other carbs/sugars, you could probably pull it off.  ;)
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: mommie October 07, 2008, 11:53:26 AM
So I got a yeast infection in my breast and switched spreading acidophilus and propolis w/ coconut oil on it and saw great results...Now what about a vaginal infection...does it sound scary to cut a cap from NOW open mix w/ CO and spread inside. I read you could douche w/ a propolis water combo and that that really helps...Also taking it orally. I notice when I take propolis orally my milk production slows down, so now when I take a prop I also take a red raspberry and I am FINE more than fine in fact, I take prop alot to fight off sickness and this is what I have notcied. I thought that was an easy good one to take I hadn't seen mentioned yet.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: joyful_mommy03 November 30, 2008, 09:50:33 AM
Anyone use Yeast Assassin while breastfeeding?  Did it reduce your milk supply at all?

I'm nursing and would like to do a yeast cleanse - and get it over with as quickly as possible!  Seems like taking the Anti-Yeast Pack from Beeyoutiful would put things in high gear along with eating the right foods.  But, I don't want to sacrifice breastfeeding to do it ... I know there is a Pregnancy Anti-Yeast Pack, but it doesn't seem as potent.

Any experiences you could relate would be very useful.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: prolifeguyswife May 08, 2009, 06:43:56 AM
I just got the pregnancy anti-yeast pack from beeyoutiful, and I am nursing a six week old. Do I need to take all of those pills?  :o

My little guy has a sensitivity to garlic, so I'll skip the odorless garlic, but that means I'll be taking Colostrum Transfer Factor, Acidophilus Blast, Digestive Enzyme, Tummy Tuneup, and Supermom  all at the same time? Is that right? I have symptoms of candida overgrowth (sugar cravings, etc), and I'm hoping taking all of these supplements won't overwhelm my little guy. Has anyone successfully done this while nursing?
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: prolifeguyswife May 08, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
One more thing... are "Tummy Tuneup" and "Acidophilus Blast" similar? Should I take them both at the same time?
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: Mamatoto May 08, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
Anyone use Yeast Assassin while breastfeeding?  Did it reduce your milk supply at all?

Yeast Assassin contains Black Walnut and Oregano Oil.  www.kellymom.com says that Black Walnut "is sometimes used to reduce milk supply when mom has oversupply or is weaning" and that Oregano is "known to decrease milk supply."  But I haven't taken it myself, so I can't attest to its actions one way or the other.

I have been on an anti-candida cleanse (while nursing) for over 2 months now.  I'm taking the following anti-fungals:  Candex (was taking Garden of Life Fungal Defense but switched to Candex after my bottle ran out), raw garlic, coconut oil, and cloves.  I am also taking 100 billion probiotics, fish oil, SuperMom, BoneAmi, horsetail, milk thistle, pumpkin seed oil, fenugreek, digestive enzymes, fennel, charcoal, raw apple cider vinegar, and hot tonic.  However, I am currently in the middle of making some changes to my food and supplement lists, so this list will probably look very different in a couple weeks.

I just got the pregnancy anti-yeast pack from beeyoutiful, and I am nursing a six week old. Do I need to take all of those pills? ... I'm hoping taking all of these supplements won't overwhelm my little guy. Has anyone successfully done this while nursing?

Yep!  I believe all the pills were meant to be taken together.  I purchased the pregnancy anti-yeast pack when I was pregnant, followed it to a T, and ate very healthy MD/NT and still managed to get 4 yeast infections over the course of 9 months.  So if you find that the supplements don't seem to be moving you along as fast as you are hoping, you might also consider adding some other things like raw garlic, EVCO, cloves, GSE, cayenne, etc.  Check out the Natural Antifungals thread http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.msg230424.html#new for ideas, but be careful as some of the antifungals listed shouldn't be taken while nursing.  Like I said above, I've been on an anti-candida cleanse (while nursing) for over 2 months now.  And while we still have a ways to go, I can confidently say that we have made significant progress.  It might be helpful to browse through the Anti-Candida Diets: Daily Log for Encouragement thread http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,21241.240.html.  It's long, but if you start on Reply #241 on page 9, you'll start right where the thread was "revived" this past March and can read about the successes/challenges some of us have already faced.  I believe rebeccahuff and I are the only nursing moms represented in this chunk of the thread, but hopefully some of our posts will give you some realistic expectations so you know what you are getting yourself into ;)

I'm nursing and would like to do a yeast cleanse - and get it over with as quickly as possible!  Seems like taking the Anti-Yeast Pack from Beeyoutiful would put things in high gear along with eating the right foods. 

I went into my cleanse honestly believing that it would take only 40 days.  Unfortunately, I was wrong.  I think once all is said and done, it will probably take about 7 months.  Not to discourage you, but just to make sure you are going in with realistic expectations.  Your candida issues may be much easier to deal with than mine (and I certainly hope this is the case).  But I think it's good to be realistic before putting a lot of heart and soul into something and then being disappointed.  Like I said above, I would really recommend reading the posts in the Daily Log thread.

One more thing... are "Tummy Tuneup" and "Acidophilus Blast" similar? Should I take them both at the same time?

I don't take either, but I believe they are both probiotics, so IMO only one would be necessary.  But since they're both part of the pregnancy anti-yeast pack, I'd take both at the same time.  However, I notice that Tummy Tuneup has 4 billion potency and Acidophilus Blast has 8 billion potency.  Our holistic pediatrician told me that I needed to be on at least 100 billion potency probiotic.  So I'm taking a probiotic that has 25 billion potency, and am taking 4 capsules daily.  Also, our pediatrician said that DS needs to be taking baby bifidus (not sure why just the bifidus, but she only wanted him on that as opposed to acidophilus and bifidus).  I purchased the Garden of Life Primal Defense for Kids, which is a powder probiotic naturally flavored with freeze dried bananas.  I mix 2 times the normal dose with coconut oil (1 T for each year, so at 10 months now, DS gets 2 t).  But you could also just put some of the powder on your finger and have your baby suck it off (not sure how old your baby is and if he/she has teeth ;D).

Best of luck to you both, and I hope to see you over in the Daily Log thread!
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: 4myhoonie August 28, 2009, 05:19:29 PM
just wondering what exactly is bad to use while pregnant in the Yeast Assassin. i had a dr. recommend to me this product called Twinlab Yeast fighters, here are the ingredients:

Calories     15     
Total Carbohydrates    3 g    1%*
Dietary Fiber    2 g    8%*
Biotin    900 mcg    300%
Fiber Blend
(Psyllium Seed Husks, Guar Gum, Apple Pectin, Chitosan (from shellfish)    3001 mg    †
Lactobacillus Acidophilus
(providing 2.5 billion viable cells at time of manufacture)    220 mg    †
Garlic Bulb Extract
(equivalent to 1500 mg of fresh garlic)    100 mg    †
Herbal Blend
(Pau D'Arco Bark Extract, Onion (allium cepal Bulb Extract, Golden Seal Root Extract, Echinacea Purpurea Extract (aerial parts), Black Walnut Seed)    2 mg    †
Caprylic Acid
(from medium chain triglycerides)    62 mg    †

the red part is what i was worried about.  of those, the Yeast Assassin doesn't have the Echinacea, but does have oregano oil.  it also has the Pau D'Arco and Black walnut, both i thought were not for use during pregnancy.  i have been doing well with fivelac and threelac and don't know that i really want to rock the boat anyway.  what do you all think?
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: thus_I_fight August 29, 2009, 07:14:49 AM
This has been answered somewhere in these threads, but I can't find it right now.  As I recall, black walnut hull could dry up your milk supply, and too much pau d'arco could potentially induce miscarriage. 

*Edit*  I found one place:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.msg17943.html#msg17943

In another place, ForeverGirl says the Yeast Assassin contains wormwood, which is also unsafe during pregnancy.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11.msg21.html#msg21
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: 4myhoonie March 17, 2010, 12:14:22 PM
moving this from another thread, i have a bunch of itchy spots on me, & other yeast symptoms, and baby just came up with a weird rash on his forehead.  i have read about Shabby's yeast cleanse & i just don't have it in me to try it, as i am already fighting with food allergies & can't eat a whole long list of foods.  here is our conversation--

I would guess that you have bowel flora dysbosis going on. Typical yeast and candida type cleansing and bowel healing work for many other types of bacterial and yeast imbalances.
Have you tried using activated charcoal following any of the new herbs you are trying? I believe your baby is probably fussy because any sort of high nutrition such as the kelp, or liver stimulant like the dandelion is putting your body into a detox. Apparently your detox pathways are not functioning well. Charcoal should help. Detox+ or Dr Schulze #2 might as well. If I remember correctly you are familiar with those.
What about digestive enzymes for yourself and the baby? Have you tried that. If I remember right you are already on an allergen free diet. However if you can't get the GI tract healed you will continue to develop new allergens until nothing is left. A compromised system is keeping your immune system down leaving GroupB strep and other opportunist bugs the chance to thrive. If YOU aren't digesting food well then the baby is getting things through breastmilk that his system is not meant to handle yet and will likely develop allergies in him. This is in addition to toxins he may be getting.
Hope that helps in some small way. I don't think this is primarily a Group B strep problem.

hi boysmama~~you are so right.  i had stool cultures done & had 2 kinds of strep, yeast and another bacteria.  actually i am very discouraged by the whole thing, cuz the allergen free diet is SO hard, i'm already taking digestive enzymes & probiotics, & the antifungal program dr. Dramov put me on after pregnancy made the baby incredibly uncomfortable, unable to burp or poop.  i've been getting acupuncture weekly, but can't do that very long. ($$$$) i just don't know what else to do.  i guess i wasn't very good at taking the charcoal i was taking so many pills and none of them could be together.  i will try tonight taking the herbs with supper & the charcoal a couple of hours later and see if that helps.  i need to deal with this now, or i will develop to the other foods i have left to eat, cuz i eat the same things a lot.  i am often hungry & at a loss for what to eat, so resort to quick fixes.  i'm ravenous & so want to eat what everyone else is eating.  :'(   i guess i just thought if the herbs were helping me that would be good for him too if i could get past the first few days.   ???  i've thought about doing the detox + , i do still have 1/3 or so a bottle of Dr. Schulze #2.  i SOOOO don't want him to get my allergies or others, i should have just done formula.  :'( :'( :'(  if someone can't tell me how to do this without tainting my breastmilk and making baby miserable, i am going to have to put him on formula.  :'(
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: Whiterock March 17, 2010, 02:16:10 PM
The formulas from Schulze and the Bulk Herb store probably have psyllium, and other ingredients, that bind with the toxins as they are released, and move them out of the body so they don't get reabsorbed (at least I know the one from Schulze does). I would think that this would take care of most of the things that would normally end up in the breastmilk.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: Whiterock March 17, 2010, 02:20:12 PM
Yeah, here's the Schulze Formula #2...
Ingredients: organic Flax seed ( Linum usitatissimum ), Apple Fruit Pectin, Pharmaceutical Grade Bentonite Clay, Psyllium seed and husk ( Plantago Species), WildCrafted Slippery Elm inner bark (Ulmus flilva), Organic Marshmallow root ( Althea officinalis), Organic Fennel seed ( Foeniculum vulgare ) and Activated Willow charcoal ( Salix alba).

All of these ingredients have as one of there benefits, binding or absorbing toxins, or coating the intestine to protect or move the toxins out quickly.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: 4myhoonie March 17, 2010, 03:26:17 PM
yeah, i was thinking today i would start that cleanse, and do it a few times while nursing.  i am already eating very much like Shabby describes, only without the eggs.  so i guess as a last resort before giving up breastfeeding, i will give it a try.  i am concerned though that when i am done with the 10 or 20 days i will still have problems.   :-\
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: healthybratt March 18, 2010, 07:21:06 AM
The formulas from Schulze and the Bulk Herb store probably have psyllium, and other ingredients, that bind with the toxins as they are released, and move them out of the body so they don't get reabsorbed (at least I know the one from Schulze does). I would think that this would take care of most of the things that would normally end up in the breastmilk.
i agree, but i wouldn't recommend extended cleanses with these products while nursing or pregnant.  clay has the most incredible ability to attract and bind heavy metals and minerals including calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, etc.  taking it over a long period of time especially when nutrition is so paramount, could really deplete mom and/or baby and possibly cause malnutrition.  short duration is key i think.  the 5 days that dr. schulze recommends is probably good, but the longer methods tried by some of our members and the way Shoshanna did her detox + would probably not be safe or recommended.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: 4myhoonie March 19, 2010, 03:28:59 AM
ok, i've been using the Dr. Schulze #2 for a little over 24 hours.  baby is fussier right after & during feeding.  he squirms around a lot, slurps & gulps a lot, and it's hard to tell cuz he was already gassy, but it seems he has more.  and he still burps for hours after eating.  we've been using fennel seed tea some.  my hubby is encouraging me to continue, thinking that at some point he will start to improve.  i am wondering if it is the cayenne pepper in the formula?  i just ordered BHS detox+ & it doesn't have the cayenne.  hoping that change will help him not be so fussy.  any thoughts on any of the other herbs that could be bothering him?
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: RB March 20, 2010, 03:26:21 AM
I personally wouldn't want to take Dr. Schulze cleanse if I was nursing a young baby.  I feel it has some strong herbs that could cause a young one tummy troubles.   
I'll PM you what helped my last baby, to stay on topic here.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: mommie March 20, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
can you do caprylic acid while pregnant??  I'm 6 weeks and have a yeast infection (off and on) I can't seem to kick.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: mommie March 23, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
bumping for thoughts on caprylic acid while preggo!
I'm doing no sugar/fruit/noodles, etc. eating plenty of veggies and whole grains though, pumpkin seeds, home made Bio-k yogurt, taking enzymes and several probiotics, eating raw garlic, taking garlic pills and taking colostrum. Wanting to add caprylic acid...I'm fighting some ringworm on my stomach and a mild yeast infection.
: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: mommie March 26, 2010, 02:13:53 PM
Hm. well, now I'm throwing ketones??!! I'm eating plenty of whole grains, veggies, and meat and beans. I'm also eating some blueberries and corn chips w/ my salsa. I'm wondering if the caprylic acid could be creating ketones...? any thoughts on this. I'm eating TONS, just not eating refined sugars, fruits, or simple carbs like noodles and breads. I had some whole grain blender pancakes this AM though and eat almond butter, etc. It doesn't make sense to me that I would be throwing ketones. I'm constantly eating I feel like, just not processed junk. any thoughts? ? ? I don't want to quit my "cleanse" after almost 3 weeks into it (just started the CP two days ago) just to lose any ground I might have gained. But i don't want to be stupid either.
I'm just having a hard time seeing that adding processed foods/noodles/refined sugar would be helpful. Maybe I just need to add some natural sugar like MORE fruit? I am eating some blueberries each day along w/ tons of salsa...any thoughts? any?? I'm beginning to wonder if the ketones are just the caprylic acid but really nothing bad happening????



: Re: Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing]
: mommie March 26, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Hm. well, now I'm throwing ketones??!! I'm eating plenty of whole grains, veggies, and meat and beans. I'm also eating some blueberries and corn chips w/ my salsa. I'm wondering if the caprylic acid could be creating ketones...? any thoughts on this. I'm eating TONS, just not eating refined sugars, fruits, or simple carbs like noodles and breads. I had some whole grain blender pancakes this AM though and eat almond butter, etc. It doesn't make sense to me that I would be throwing ketones. I'm constantly eating I feel like, just not processed junk. any thoughts? ? ? I don't want to quit my "cleanse" after almost 3 weeks into it (just started the CP two days ago) just to lose any ground I might have gained. But i don't want to be stupid either.
I'm just having a hard time seeing that adding processed foods/noodles/refined sugar would be helpful. Maybe I just need to add some natural sugar like MORE fruit? I am eating some blueberries each day along w/ tons of salsa...any thoughts? any?? I'm beginning to wonder if the ketones are just the caprylic acid but really nothing bad happening????





http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/research/article1024137.ece
here's the article that made me think caprylic acid is changing into ketones...
BUT is that bad...if the caprylic acid is going straight to the liver and not to my intestines killing what it needs to kill.. I'm using NOW's caprylic acid which I believe is the same as Beeyoutifuls...