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Remedies & Therapies => Symptoms & Illnesses => Food Allergies / Intolerance => : srkfan1 October 14, 2009, 04:00:40 AM

: Info on Elisa 96 test
: srkfan1 October 14, 2009, 04:00:40 AM
Hi. Patti told me to get information on the Elisa 96 test for my 2 year old and I spoke to his allergist, as he is now having some asthma/breathing issues and has been put on a nebulizer. He is very sick. While we don't like having him on these meds, we feel like we have no choice for this "intense" sickness period. The allergist said he would do the test if I brought the information on it and I've read that the info is in the GAP thread and can only be done by a Seattle lab, but after searching I can't find the info. Can anybody give me the exact link to the info or tell me what the lab's name is, website address is, etc.? We go back to the allergist today but I can't find what I need.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom October 14, 2009, 06:09:58 AM
Hi. Patti told me to get information on the Elisa 96 test for my 2 year old and I spoke to his allergist, as he is now having some asthma/breathing issues and has been put on a nebulizer. He is very sick. While we don't like having him on these meds, we feel like we have no choice for this "intense" sickness period. The allergist said he would do the test if I brought the information on it and I've read that the info is in the GAP thread and can only be done by a Seattle lab, but after searching I can't find the info. Can anybody give me the exact link to the info or tell me what the lab's name is, website address is, etc.? We go back to the allergist today but I can't find what I need.

Here's the link to the requisition form.  Fill this out, have your ND sign it, provide payment information and mail the req. form with the blood samples to the address on the top in Seattle, WA. 

http://www.usbiotek.com/Downloads/req_forms/Interac_requisition.pdf

hth

god bless,

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 04, 2009, 08:29:54 AM
Yay, getting my Elisa 96 done (along with my son!) on Monday.  I have a question though. There is a certain time frame that you need to have eaten an allergen BEFORE the test or else it will give a false negative.  Does anyone know the time frame?  Hubby wants ds and I to eat a bit of everything on the E96 tests for beforehand.   ;D  At one point, we were at a Dr. visit for ds to get allergy testing (he gets hives and has had loose/watery stools since he began solids...he is now 3 :'( :-[) and the dr. informed of the false negative thing and hubby said no to the test then and there.  What a waste of time for us.  

*eta, here is the E96 list of foods that we will be tested for (they have a couple options I believe, but this is what we're doing)

http://www.usbiotek.com/96-General-Foods.php
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 04, 2009, 08:43:09 AM
Yay, getting my Elisa 96 done (along with my son!) on Monday.  I have a question though. There is a certain time frame that you need to have eaten an allergen BEFORE the test or else it will give a false negative.  Does anyone know the time frame?  Hubby wants ds and I to eat a bit of everything on the E96 tests for beforehand.   ;D  At one point, we were at a Dr. visit for ds to get allergy testing (he gets hives and has had loose/watery stools since he began solids...he is now 3 :'( :-[) and the dr. informed of the false negative thing and hubby said no to the test then and there.  What a waste of time for us.  

*eta, here is the E96 list of foods that we will be tested for (they have a couple options I believe, but this is what we're doing)

http://www.usbiotek.com/96-General-Foods.php

I forgot...did anyone add the optional 15 foods to get tested for?  Would that be a good idea for us? What about cost?  Thanks!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 04, 2009, 10:15:54 AM
Yay, getting my Elisa 96 done (along with my son!) on Monday.  I have a question though. There is a certain time frame that you need to have eaten an allergen BEFORE the test or else it will give a false negative.  Does anyone know the time frame?  Hubby wants ds and I to eat a bit of everything on the E96 tests for beforehand.   ;D  At one point, we were at a Dr. visit for ds to get allergy testing (he gets hives and has had loose/watery stools since he began solids...he is now 3 :'( :-[) and the dr. informed of the false negative thing and hubby said no to the test then and there.  What a waste of time for us.  

*eta, here is the E96 list of foods that we will be tested for (they have a couple options I believe, but this is what we're doing)

http://www.usbiotek.com/96-General-Foods.php

I forgot...did anyone add the optional 15 foods to get tested for?  Would that be a good idea for us? What about cost?  Thanks!

Are you talking about the Asian foods?  Unless you eat a lot of asian I wouldn't bother with it.  I would recommend you get the celiac panel just to eliminate another possibility of issues. 

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 04, 2009, 10:29:03 AM
Are you talking about the Asian foods?  Unless you eat a lot of asian I wouldn't bother with it.  I would recommend you get the celiac panel just to eliminate another possibility of issues.  

patti

Patti, it's the vegetarian add on that tests for brown rice among other things.  Here it is: http://www.usbiotek.com/15-added-Vegetarian-Foods.php
It says on the usbiotek site that you can add these 15 foods to the E96.
I was wondering about the celiac for my son.  I'll have to look into that...
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 04, 2009, 10:49:11 AM
I found out that you must have consumed the food within three weeks before the blood draw or you run the risk of a false negative. 
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: 4myhoonie December 04, 2009, 06:57:23 PM
I found out that you must have consumed the food within three weeks before the blood draw or you run the risk of a false negative. 

wow, i wonder if that's true, cuz most of my allergens i had NOT eaten in 3 weeks before i did the test just recently.  i hope that's not the case!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 04, 2009, 07:53:54 PM
wow, i wonder if that's true, cuz most of my allergens i had NOT eaten in 3 weeks before i did the test just recently.  i hope that's not the case!

4myhoonie, oh dear, that's what my ND told me and I verified online. Hopefully, it's not ALWAYS the case!  :(   ???
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 04, 2009, 09:55:02 PM
wow, i wonder if that's true, cuz most of my allergens i had NOT eaten in 3 weeks before i did the test just recently.  i hope that's not the case!

4myhoonie, oh dear, that's what my ND told me and I verified online. Hopefully, it's not ALWAYS the case!  :(   ???

MJ,

This can't be accurate or all of my family would now have tested allergen free and we'd be dancing a jig!  We still test out as totally allergic to gluten, eggs and dairy and we haven't had that stuff in a year   (excluding thanksgiving).  For sure we haven't had chicken eggs in a year.  We have done 8 ELISA tests in the past year and this has not proved true any of those times.  

Don't worry 4myhoonie.  You're fine.  I would say it's inexperience on the part of the ND that stated that more then anything.  And never trust what a website states on stuff like this.  It's a webmaster that creates it.  Not the lab boss.   ;)


patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 05, 2009, 07:10:26 AM
MJ,

This can't be accurate or all of my family would now have tested allergen free and we'd be dancing a jig!  We still test out as totally allergic to gluten, eggs and dairy and we haven't had that stuff in a year   (excluding thanksgiving).  For sure we haven't had chicken eggs in a year.  We have done 8 ELISA tests in the past year and this has not proved true any of those times.  

Don't worry 4myhoonie.  You're fine.  I would say it's inexperience on the part of the ND that stated that more then anything.  And never trust what a website states on stuff like this.  It's a webmaster that creates it.  Not the lab boss.   ;)


patti

phew, I'm glad to hear your experience as it help take the pressure off a bit and 4myhonnies sake. I had actually had2 ND's tell me the same thing specifically regarding the E96.  ???  Have you spoken with anyone at usbiotek to verify your experience and for their recommendations? WHY does everything require me to check, double check, and then check some more??? It's exhausting to say the least.  Hubby still does not want to risk it, so unless he sees it in writing he wants us to eat as many of the foods as possible on test to guarantee it accuracy. He's got a vested interest in due to the possible vestibulitis connection.  ;) ;D :-[
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 05, 2009, 11:08:40 AM
MJ,

This can't be accurate or all of my family would now have tested allergen free and we'd be dancing a jig!  We still test out as totally allergic to gluten, eggs and dairy and we haven't had that stuff in a year   (excluding thanksgiving).  For sure we haven't had chicken eggs in a year.  We have done 8 ELISA tests in the past year and this has not proved true any of those times.  

Don't worry 4myhoonie.  You're fine.  I would say it's inexperience on the part of the ND that stated that more then anything.  And never trust what a website states on stuff like this.  It's a webmaster that creates it.  Not the lab boss.   ;)


patti

phew, I'm glad to hear your experience as it help take the pressure off a bit and 4myhonnies sake. I had actually had2 ND's tell me the same thing specifically regarding the E96.  ???  Have you spoken with anyone at usbiotek to verify your experience and for their recommendations? WHY does everything require me to check, double check, and then check some more??? It's exhausting to say the least.  Hubby still does not want to risk it, so unless he sees it in writing he wants us to eat as many of the foods as possible on test to guarantee it accuracy. He's got a vested interest in due to the possible vestibulitis connection.  ;) ;D :-[

I've never checked with US BioTek directly but my ND is one of the absolute best when it comes to allergy issues, etc.  He has 10yrs of experience with US BioTek ELISA testing.  He has never once told us to eat what we think we're allergic to before testing.  On the contrary he is adamant that we don't.  I have no idea why they are saying this.  My DS is a good example.  He CAN'T eat what he's allergic to or he's completely incontinent for a month or more.  I've tested him 3 times this past 12 months.  All three times his allergies have shown just as the first one did, only improved (as they should) because we have eliminated those foods.  But not so improved that you could say it was because he hadn't eaten them.  It was more like a 1/16 of a line improvement.  Tested my SIL twice.  Same thing with her.  So, I don't know what to tell you.  I just got 5 fingerpricks kits from USBioTek and NONE of their instructions for the ELISA 96 state you must have eaten the food they're testing.  I don't know if it's a front desk person saying this or what, but clearly our experience has been you do not need to eat what you're allergic to for this test to be accurate. 

My .02

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: hi_itsgwen December 05, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
A lot of times, it only takes one website stating something false, and then lots of other sites will just re-state it.  So when Dr.'s are reasearching, they run into the same 'facts' without verifying with the manufacturer.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 06, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
Okay, I'm convinced.  :D  Thank you so much Patti.   :-*
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 12, 2009, 05:51:04 PM
Just wanted to update...ds and I got our finger pricks done and should have the results in  a week!  We didn't do the celiac panel cause if some positive gluten stuff shows then dr. has a local lab that we can get further testing done at that is well priced.  Thanks Patti for letting us know about the ELISA!  I have a friend who paid about $800 to test maybe 5 allergens!  :o  That's mainly what kept me from doing testing for my little guy for so long.  :(
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: DHW December 12, 2009, 06:31:30 PM
MommyJen, did you use the US Bio Tek test or another one?  And it was only a finger prick??  I have put off testing my children because I thought it always took a blood draw.  Can you give all the specifics of the tests you and ds did?

I hope you get some information you can use; I have been following your posts and I know it can be so frustrating to try and get a diagnosis.  Just be encouraged that eliminating allergens can only help even if allergens are not the root cause.  (Allergies and intolerances have a chance to flare up when the body is compromised.) 

Reading "Is This Your Child?" by Doris Rapp is a great place to start understanding allergies and how widespread and under-/mis-diagnosed they are, too.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 12, 2009, 06:48:47 PM
MommyJen, did you use the US Bio Tek test or another one?  And it was only a finger prick??  I have put off testing my children because I thought it always took a blood draw.  Can you give all the specifics of the tests you and ds did?

I hope you get some information you can use; I have been following your posts and I know it can be so frustrating to try and get a diagnosis.  Just be encouraged that eliminating allergens can only help even if allergens are not the root cause.  (Allergies and intolerances have a chance to flare up when the body is compromised.)  

Reading "Is This Your Child?" by Doris Rapp is a great place to start understanding allergies and how widespread and under-/mis-diagnosed they are, too.

Hello DHW! I wasn't sure what to expect when we got to Dr for the testing, but yes it's only a finger prick.  My 3 year old hardly winced when the doctor took his blood. Very kid friendly. There were four little circles on a card that the Dr filled with blood drops. Then he put a band aid on dear son and that was the end!  I called around to find out which ND had the best pricing and just went with them.  You pay for the test (175-275 in our area) but you also have to pay the Dr visit and if it's an ND they usually do a thorough first meeting and it is expensive...something like 150. I'm betting you could get a group discount if you want to do the whole family! Or maybe find a medical Dr who runs them? I know that I get the best luck when I call beforehand and explain the situation (cost limitations).  I have found Dr's that have been willing to work with us.  :-*  Do you have any other question?  Thank you for the understanding and encouragement!  I will have to read that book.  I really haven't read much, mostly just googled so a book would be a nice (more relaxing) change of pace! ~
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: snickerdoodle December 12, 2009, 07:08:45 PM
OK, so on the website it states that it requires 2 red top vials of blood to do the test, and that those under 20kg will need to do multiple draws to accomplish this.  Mo is about 9 kg, so we would definately be making several trips to the hospital for blood draws.  

So I'm thinking that we should try the finger prick card method instead, however I'm concerned that baby girl will not bleed enough to fill a whole bunch of circles at one time.  Do they all have to be done immediately together or can we fill a couple of circles and then, later in the day or maybe the next day, finish the card?  Is it supposed to be one circle per allergen?  So if we did the general food panel, would we have to fill 96 little circles?  Cause that would be a whole lotta bleedin!  :'(   If so, we may be better off just going to the dr. and getting the draws done...  ???

: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: snickerdoodle December 12, 2009, 07:15:13 PM
The US Bio Tek website states:

Diet:
It is advised for the patient to adhere to their usual dietary habits consuming a variety of foods when possible. Avoid any food that may have potentially resulted in a previous adverse reaction or anaphylaxis. Secondary exposure may prove fatal. For Celiac Panel, individuals on a gluten-free diet prior to testing may show low or falsely negative serological values.

here: http://www.usbiotek.com/Order_Specimen%20collection.php 

Which may be why the other Dr.'s believed that all the allergens may show a false negative if the foods had not recently been consumed. 

I did have an ER dr. tell me when my oldest was an infant and got stung by a wasp that you will not have an allergic reaction to something the first time you are exposed to it.  I don't know if he was right or not...  But that's what he told me. 
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 12, 2009, 07:20:04 PM
OK, so on the website it states that it requires 2 red top vials of blood to do the test, and that those under 20kg will need to do multiple draws to accomplish this.  Mo is about 9 kg, so we would definately be making several trips to the hospital for blood draws.  

So I'm thinking that we should try the finger prick card method instead, however I'm concerned that baby girl will not bleed enough to fill a whole bunch of circles at one time.  Do they all have to be done immediately together or can we fill a couple of circles and then, later in the day or maybe the next day, finish the card?  Is it supposed to be one circle per allergen?  So if we did the general food panel, would we have to fill 96 little circles?  Cause that would be a whole lotta bleedin!  :'(   If so, we may be better off just going to the dr. and getting the draws done...  ???




denim&lace, I have to get off the computer but I had to reply real quick.  The four circles are maybe a 1/4 inch wide and those filled with blood covers all 96 allergens. They may have to prick a little baby twice i'm guessing but I'm certain they could do that in one visit. The reason we went with the ELISA from biotec was because I believe its the most accurate (well there's one I thinks the *best* but it's really expensive and the ELISA is really the most reasonable place to start anyways). HTH you some.  Just a side note, i'm not sure how accurate allergy testing is for babies. Isn't there a recommended age that's like 2 or something?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 12, 2009, 07:25:37 PM
OK, so on the website it states that it requires 2 red top vials of blood to do the test, and that those under 20kg will need to do multiple draws to accomplish this.  Mo is about 9 kg, so we would definately be making several trips to the hospital for blood draws.  

So I'm thinking that we should try the finger prick card method instead, however I'm concerned that baby girl will not bleed enough to fill a whole bunch of circles at one time.  Do they all have to be done immediately together or can we fill a couple of circles and then, later in the day or maybe the next day, finish the card?  Is it supposed to be one circle per allergen?  So if we did the general food panel, would we have to fill 96 little circles?  Cause that would be a whole lotta bleedin!  :'(   If so, we may be better off just going to the dr. and getting the draws done...  ???



Okay - back up slowly.   :D

First, it's much easier to do the finger prick with kids.  Yes, she will bleed enough so long as you hold the finger DOWN and not up like I tried to the first time.   :-[  However, the only way to get the fingerprick test is to have your doctor or an ND order the kit sent to their office and then go get it and either do it at home or have the doctor do it.  If you have insurance, then having your doctor order and do it in his office is THE cheapest way to get it done.  No, you do not have to fill in 96 little circles.  It's just 5.  And they're little.  

I pay $137 for my ELISA testing and $70 to get the results from the ND - per person (we've got 6 we do it for).  But that is AFTER a two hour visit that cost me $190.  If you have a doctor that is easy going this is what I would say:

"I woud like to have the ELISA 96 food allergy panel done on "XYZ."  Would you be willing to call this lab and have them send you the fingerprick test and do it in your office for me?  I have a requisition form with the name, address and phone number of the lab that has to be used for the test right here."  

Or something like that.  If they respond favorable then your on your way.  I do believe if you go this route the test might be $250.  My doctor has a special account with them because he does them all day long.  If your doctor is unwilling I know Dr. Dramov would do it but then you'd end up paying for a long phone consult and all that goes with that.  So it's best to see if you can get an MD or ND where your at to work with you.  

I'm a fairly strong personalitied person and have no trouble telling doctors exactly what I do and don't want them to do.  So some of this depends on your ease with doing that.  I'm notorious for telling the doctor he'll do it my way or I hit the highway and take my money with me.   ;D  Thankfully, I've only had to do that once.  I generally only go to doctors that are so laid back they'll do whatever I ask.

Mommyjen, we have a family of 6 we had tested and unfortunately got no breaks.  But then again, we seem to be paying less for the test then most because of my ND's account with US BioTek.  But for people who have health insurance of any sort, your MD is going to be the best route.  

hth

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 12, 2009, 07:27:29 PM
No minimum age requirement.  I know several people who've had it done on kids under a year with successful answers.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 12, 2009, 07:27:48 PM
MommyJen, did you use the US Bio Tek test or another one?  And it was only a finger prick??  I have put off testing my children because I thought it always took a blood draw.  Can you give all the specifics of the tests you and ds did?

I hope you get some information you can use; I have been following your posts and I know it can be so frustrating to try and get a diagnosis.  Just be encouraged that eliminating allergens can only help even if allergens are not the root cause.  (Allergies and intolerances have a chance to flare up when the body is compromised.)  

Reading "Is This Your Child?" by Doris Rapp is a great place to start understanding allergies and how widespread and under-/mis-diagnosed they are, too.

Sorry, yes it was from Us bio tek.  I forgot to add for anyone researcing that we will also have to pay another dr. visit to get the results. I'm thinking about calling and seeing if we could just have them mailed. Is that terrible of me?  :D  I JUST realized that I forgot to do the thing where I contact us bio tek to check on the test!!  :(   :( Is it to late now?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: snickerdoodle December 12, 2009, 07:41:35 PM
Sweet, savory, goodness!  Thank you Patti!

My ND is sooooo wonderful.  She knows we are limited on funding at the moment and when we had to go do a celiac panel yesterday she called the insurance company to make sure it would be covered and when they told her "we will probably cover 90%" she was still concerned about the cost, called the lab and convinced them to only charge us $65 if insurance didn't cover it!!! (on a $200+ test!) 

Did I mention that our ND is wonderful?   ;D

Since they just pulled 4 vials of blood on our little pixie just yesterday, I was concerned about doing another draw... I know we would wait another 3-4 weeks for that.  I've talked to  her about the ELISA test and she does use it, but feels it is better to figure it out by elimination... but is also concerned that we've been on the elimination diet for 2+ months now and aren't seeing weight gain on Mo.  She also does Carroll testing, which she says we will most likely be doing, eventually.
http://thecarrollinstitute.org/fim.html (http://thecarrollinstitute.org/fim.html)
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 13, 2009, 05:02:14 AM
Glad you're feeling better about this D&L!   ;D  You NEED that ELISA test done ASAP.  I'm glad she's so wonderful because you need to push her to do it as quickly as you can.  If she does this testing often then she may have an account with USBioTek already which would mean it would be $137 not $250.  That would be great. 

I am so glad you have a good ND!!!!  We have been to so many and I have discovered that they are like a good doctor.  Few and far between.  And half of them just want to throw supplements at a person and assume that will fix the problem.

Can you get her to run a Genova Stool Test on your DS also?  Because of your pregnancy situation and his after birth stuff I'm guessing he has an overrun bacteria in his gut (if he's got any probiotic at all even).  When you can, that is also going to be a key because weight gain can also be slowed down by the bad bacteria.

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: DHW December 13, 2009, 11:08:02 AM
So is the US Bio Tek ELISA done with a finger prick or a blood draw?  I'm confused...
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 13, 2009, 02:06:59 PM
So is the US Bio Tek ELISA done with a finger prick or a blood draw?  I'm confused...

My son and I had finger pricks, but perhaps both are option according to denim&laces quote from usbiotek's website.  ???
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 13, 2009, 02:43:26 PM
So is the US Bio Tek ELISA done with a finger prick or a blood draw?  I'm confused...

It can be done either way.  If you have blood drawn it requires 5 tubes because they have to have serum.  If you do the fingerprick it is 5 small dots.  We've done both depending on what situation we were in.  We do the fingerprick test at home most of the time now.

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: DHW December 13, 2009, 05:38:22 PM
So, patti, would you recommend the finger prick for a first time test, or is the serum especially important for the initial test?

Have you done IgE, IgG and IgA testing?
~~~
I did a little reading on the US BioTek site, and I am pretty sure we do not have IgE reactions - no hives, throat swelling, etc. 

All the kids do have dark circles under their eyes, one tends to tummy troubles, and two tend to wheeze infrequently.  One with a chronically stuffy nose (a mouth breather).  Eczema, very mild (responds well to acid water sprayed on 2x day).  Low energy and moodiness in mom...and dad.

All those symptoms point to delayed food reactions, IgG.

: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom December 13, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
So, patti, would you recommend the finger prick for a first time test, or is the serum especially important for the initial test?

Have you done IgE, IgG and IgA testing?
~~~
I did a little reading on the US BioTek site, and I am pretty sure we do not have IgE reactions - no hives, throat swelling, etc. 

All the kids do have dark circles under their eyes, one tends to tummy troubles, and two tend to wheeze infrequently.  One with a chronically stuffy nose (a mouth breather).  Eczema, very mild (responds well to acid water sprayed on 2x day).  Low energy and moodiness in mom...and dad.

All those symptoms point to delayed food reactions, IgG.



Both tests are completely accurate so if I had the choice I'd do the fingerprick.  Why give 'em more blood then they need?   ;D  You really need to do the IGG and IGE because while you may not see an immediate reaction it does mean the body isn't reacting internally immediately.  For example, my SIL ate beef her entire life.  Never saw reactions at all.  Tested her and it came out that she was so reactive to beef she was anaphylactic.   She had not had that type of reaction - yet.  But when we pulled beef from her diet about 6 months later someone let her have it and she was sick as a dog immediately and it lasted for a week.  I think the only reason she didn't have breathing issues is because it was like a hot dog or something where it was mixed in low amounts with other meats so it wasn't full on beef.  But just that little bit made her unbelievably sick.  So you may not be seeing immediate reactions to anything but that doesn't mean you're not having them internally (inflammation, etc).  So very important to test for both. 

We did not do IGA because it actually tests to see if  you're missing a certain thing in the immune system which means you have a whole different issue going on besides food allergies (or maybe its in addition to).  At least that's what my understanding is (I have friend whose dd has this issue).

Sounds like you have a good case of food allergies going there.  It's worth the testing.  Especially if you can find someone near you willing to do it (that's half the battle sometimes).

patti

: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen December 13, 2009, 10:13:48 PM
Does this look legit? $299. for the usbiotek ELISA 96.

https://www.directlabs.com/Default.aspx?&catid=77&language=en-US&tabid=55

They also have some GENOVA stool tests available...

https://www.directlabs.com/Default.aspx?&catid=84&language=en-US&tabid=55
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: snickerdoodle December 14, 2009, 11:59:20 AM
OK Patti... I called the ND this am and told her we needed to get the ELISA done before the end of the year due to inurance deductibles and such starting in the new year. 

They were able to get us in on the 30th... (but that's with me having to have my initial workup appointment at the same time...)

I don't think she actually uses the ELISA testing much but she's in practice with another Dr. that does, so hopefully we'll get the discounted price.  She came in and took over the pediatric and womens issues part of his practice.   She prefers to do elimination diet and then if things seem confusing to do the carroll testing to check for food combination issues.  So she is pushing to get that done when we can.  Unfortunately, after the new year we have to spend a whole bunch in medical expenses before insurance starts picking it up.
 

At least insurance is paying about 90% of everything at this point due to the fact that we've had so much medical costs this year...  :-\

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: mykidsmom December 14, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
D&L,

I am going to really discourage you from doing the Caroll testing.  I read through the website and basically, it's NOT going to tell you anything different then the ELISA test and Genova Stool test.  And both those tests (the ELISA and stool) will cover bacterias, digestion, etc. whereas the Caroll test will not.  So I guess if it were me, I wouldn't waste my money on it because you'd eventually need the Genova stool test to determine digestion and bacterias which is just more money.  Are you strong enough to put your foot down and say "no?"  Interestingly, my ND trained at Bastyr University that was started by one of the doctors referred to on the Caroll website (Dr. Bastyr). 

Just my opinion - which is probably not worth much.   ;)

patti

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: snickerdoodle December 14, 2009, 06:14:18 PM
I could certainly put my foot down and say no, if I determine it is unnecessary.  I actually haven't had the opportunity to research the Genova stool test or the Carroll testing yet... so we will see. 

From what the ND said, sometimes people react to a combination of foods... so you may not react to grains alone, and you may not react to berries alone, but combine the two (strawberries and cake) and you have a reaction...  I dunno what I think of all that just yet, so we will see.  She said she usually just does the Carroll testing when the results from the elimination diet are confusing... most of our results on the elimination diet have been pretty clear.  I'm still kinda questioning corn and fish.  We don't seem to get a strong reaction to either immediately...  but a maybe a slight reaction several days later.  So then you question if some other things may have been involved.  This may actually be a case of combining the fish and the corn, I dunno.  I sure like cornbread and salmon together.

But honestly, your opinion carries weight with me at the moment in regard to the allergy and food sensitivities stuff...  you have had some very valuable insight for me and I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out.

   
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: mommyjen December 20, 2009, 03:17:25 AM
Somehow the lab wasn't able to process our tests, so we have to retest in a few days.  Has this happened to anyone?  Dr. said it was no one's fault, but it just doesn't make any sense. 
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: mykidsmom December 20, 2009, 04:16:33 AM
Somehow the lab wasn't able to process our tests, so we have to retest in a few days.  Has this happened to anyone?  Dr. said it was no one's fault, but it just doesn't make any sense.  

MJ,

Did you guys pay USBioTek for this test immediately?  They will not test the blood and will hold it if it is not paid for ahead of time.  When we have ours done I always call them after I know they got it (I give them 2-3 days) and verify that they have my credit card info and the test got paid for.  Otherwise, they'll just hold the blood until it's no good and then toss it.  Is it possible this is what happened?  How are you guys paying for the test?  If it's by check, you have to send it WITH the blood.  If it's CC make sure that portion of the req. is filled out.  If it's insurance make sure your insurance is going to cover it.  With insurance what they'll do is call the insurance company to verify coverage and if they say "no" USBioTek will toss the test.  

The only time I've had them hold the test was the first time because of confusion over payment.  After that, I call every time to make sure.

Other thought, were the blood spots done correctly?  All five of them needed to be filled in.  I thought you mentioned you did 4.  Regardless of what the paper says or your ND says, fill in all 5 blood spots.   If they couldn't process the test because of not enough blood it means the blood spots were not completely filled in.  The circles must be full and you can't have touched the spot with your finger.  Hold your finger down so the blood drips onto the spot.   I'd say, "just trust me on this" but you have no reason to (you don't know me).  So, I'll just say having done ten of these tests I've learned a few things.   ;)

My guess is your ND messed up doing the test itself.  Sorry you have to retest.  I woudl recommend YOU call USBioTek and do not leave this up to your ND.  Find out EXACTLY why they couldn't test it. 

patti
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: mommyjen December 20, 2009, 04:30:54 AM
MJ,

Did you guys pay USBioTek for this test immediately?  They will not test the blood and will hold it if it is not paid for ahead of time.  When we have ours done I always call them after I know they got it (I give them 2-3 days) and verify that they have my credit card info and the test got paid for.  Otherwise, they'll just hold the blood until it's no good and then toss it.  Is it possible this is what happened?  How are you guys paying for the test?  If it's by check, you have to send it WITH the blood.  If it's CC make sure that portion of the req. is filled out.  If it's insurance make sure your insurance is going to cover it.  With insurance what they'll do is call the insurance company to verify coverage and if they say "no" USBioTek will toss the test.  

The only time I've had them hold the test was the first time because of confusion over payment.  After that, I call every time to make sure.

Other thought, were the blood spots done correctly?  All five of them needed to be filled in.  I thought you mentioned you did 4.  Regardless of what the paper says or your ND says, fill in all 5 blood spots.   If they couldn't process the test because of not enough blood it means the blood spots were not completely filled in.  The circles must be full and you can't have touched the spot with your finger.  Hold your finger down so the blood drips onto the spot.   I'd say, "just trust me on this" but you have no reason to (you don't know me).  So, I'll just say having done ten of these tests I've learned a few things.   ;)

My guess is your ND messed up doing the test itself.  Sorry you have to retest.  I woudl recommend YOU call USBioTek and do not leave this up to your ND.  Find out EXACTLY why they couldn't test it.  

patti

I didn't know I could call them directly about this.  I paid the doctor for the Dr.s visit and test at the the same time and I think I paid by debit card.  You know I was just going off my memory (scary ::)) about how many circles there were but all of them were used.  I can't remember if my doctor had our fingers press on the circles or just let the blood drop? I'll have to pay attention this time to make sure they are filled in all the way too and call after.  Thanks Patti.  :-*
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: mykidsmom December 20, 2009, 11:05:31 AM
MJ,

Did you guys pay USBioTek for this test immediately?  They will not test the blood and will hold it if it is not paid for ahead of time.  When we have ours done I always call them after I know they got it (I give them 2-3 days) and verify that they have my credit card info and the test got paid for.  Otherwise, they'll just hold the blood until it's no good and then toss it.  Is it possible this is what happened?  How are you guys paying for the test?  If it's by check, you have to send it WITH the blood.  If it's CC make sure that portion of the req. is filled out.  If it's insurance make sure your insurance is going to cover it.  With insurance what they'll do is call the insurance company to verify coverage and if they say "no" USBioTek will toss the test.  

The only time I've had them hold the test was the first time because of confusion over payment.  After that, I call every time to make sure.

Other thought, were the blood spots done correctly?  All five of them needed to be filled in.  I thought you mentioned you did 4.  Regardless of what the paper says or your ND says, fill in all 5 blood spots.   If they couldn't process the test because of not enough blood it means the blood spots were not completely filled in.  The circles must be full and you can't have touched the spot with your finger.  Hold your finger down so the blood drips onto the spot.   I'd say, "just trust me on this" but you have no reason to (you don't know me).  So, I'll just say having done ten of these tests I've learned a few things.   ;)

My guess is your ND messed up doing the test itself.  Sorry you have to retest.  I woudl recommend YOU call USBioTek and do not leave this up to your ND.  Find out EXACTLY why they couldn't test it.  

patti

I didn't know I could call them directly about this.  I paid the doctor for the Dr.s visit and test at the the same time and I think I paid by debit card.  You know I was just going off my memory (scary ::)) about how many circles there were but all of them were used.  I can't remember if my doctor had our fingers press on the circles or just let the blood drop? I'll have to pay attention this time to make sure they are filled in all the way too and call after.  Thanks Patti.  :-*

If you paid your doctor then it was up to your doctor to pay for the test.  If she didn't then that's why they didn't run it.  We always had to send a note attached to the requisition telling them to charge our card (even though the info was on the req. form we still did this).  I have a feeling it was the ND that screwed this one up.   :-\

patti
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: mommyjen December 22, 2009, 06:34:52 PM
You were right Patti, Doctor's error.  At least he fessed up when I retested.  :)  I guess soaking the card though in a spot is more important filling the circle in?  That's what he concluded after speaking with usbiotek about it.  He said he done hundreds and this was the first ever returned.  He did not fill the circles in all the way so I hope he knows what he's talking about.  :-\ 
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: mykidsmom December 22, 2009, 09:29:25 PM
  He did not fill the circles in all the way so I hope he knows what he's talking about.  :-\ 

UGH!  Are you serious?   :o  Can I talk to this guy?  No wait, I might not be very nice if I did.   :(  Well, I hope this one doesn't come back either.  If it does, take the kit home and do it yourself!   :D

patti
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: orcuttranch December 29, 2009, 07:36:51 AM
Patti - I have been reading about this for a while now on this site.  I was talking to my husband about having us tested, but there is 7 of us - so that would be expensive.  He said that he wouldn't mind having the worst people tested (which would be our 2 and 3 year old).  But I was wondering - do you find that allergies that you and your husband test positive for your kids automatically have?  Would it maybe work to have my husband and I tested and whatever we are allergic to (if we are), just eliminate those things from everyone's diets?  Or does it not work that way. 

We have never had allergy testing for anything before.  My husband, though has eczema that flares up every now and then, my 2 year old has broken out with hives twice now in the last month, and my 3 year old always has dry skin - to the point that it is painful and inflamed looking sometimes.  I have three other kids, too.  Not too many things I can think of with them that would make me think that they necessarily have allergies, though.  Actually, I take that back - my 6 year old gets what I think is eczema on her hand pretty badly - but it is just every now and then (maybe twice a year). 

Thanks for any input!
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: mykidsmom December 29, 2009, 09:25:57 AM
I'm thinking it would be better to test you and your husband.  Anything you guys are allergic to, yes, you could just interpret right down the line for everyone else.  My thinking is that you guys are older, your allergies are going to be much more damaging to your bodies at this age.  If you test the little ones, they might not test allergic to something that you guys are allergic to.  Since food allergies create more issues as life goes on it makes sense to get you two tested.  Basically, any of the "normal" food allergies that you two have, your kids will have.  ie.  gluten, dairy, eggs, nightshades, etc.  There may be some oddball ones like garlic, etc. that you're allergic to that the kids may be fine with simply because they haven't had enough of it at their age. 

As a side note - every case of eczema I've run across in a person has been caused by a gluten allergy.  I have no idea why.  Kind of like a dairy allergy tends to cause excess mucous or runny noses.  So I'm going to guess that will be high on the list of allergies for you all.   

If you have some oddball ones I can go over those with you to let you know which ones will likely end as allergies in your children if you keep using them (believe it or not, garlic is a big one). 

hth

patti
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: hi_itsgwen December 29, 2009, 09:31:20 AM
As a side note - every case of eczema I've run across in a person has been caused by a gluten allergy.  I have no idea why.  Kind of like a dairy allergy tends to cause excess mucous or runny noses.  So I'm going to guess that will be high on the list of allergies for you all.   
patti

Patti, my sister's son and daughter have eczema, and I've told her that it's linked to allergies (but I wasn't sure which one...Thanks!)  She is confused as to why it's seasonal...I didn't know the answer to that either.  Their diet doesn't change that much seasonally.  Any ideas?

Gwen
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: mykidsmom December 29, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
As a side note - every case of eczema I've run across in a person has been caused by a gluten allergy.  I have no idea why.  Kind of like a dairy allergy tends to cause excess mucous or runny noses.  So I'm going to guess that will be high on the list of allergies for you all.   
patti

Patti, my sister's son and daughter have eczema, and I've told her that it's linked to allergies (but I wasn't sure which one...Thanks!)  She is confused as to why it's seasonal...I didn't know the answer to that either.  Their diet doesn't change that much seasonally.  Any ideas?

Gwen


The only thing that comes to mind is I bet their diet does change *some* with the seasons (most of us eat less grains and more fresh fruit during the summer, etc).  It may be there is enough of a change that their exposure is less during one season then another.  OR, I'm completely wrong and it's not just gluten.    ::)  I'm sure there must be cases out there caused by other food allergies.  Since I'm only one person and I've only seen about 20 cases personally, it's probably not a big enough statistical sample to be definitive.   ;D   Although I'm 20 for 20 so far, does that count?   :D  However, I would be curious what happens if she removes gluten and treats the eczema if it stays away.   ;)

The only other allergy that *could* be attributed to eczema might be dairy.  It is definately possible that it depends on the person. 

Probably didn't help much.  But I'll keep keeping track of my statistical samples and see if there's any changes in my line of thought in the future.   ;D

patti
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: hi_itsgwen December 29, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
Patti, their eczema flares around the Spring and Fall, when their seasonal allergies flare up.  Maybe it's just a case of the body being under more stress due to the pollen/seasonal allergies, and the food allergies get worse during those times?

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: mykidsmom December 29, 2009, 12:42:39 PM
Patti, their eczema flares around the Spring and Fall, when their seasonal allergies flare up.  Maybe it's just a case of the body being under more stress due to the pollen/seasonal allergies, and the food allergies get worse during those times?



Okay, makes much more sense now.  Yes, you are correct.  The food allergies are probably somewhere between a 3 and 4 (on a 7 scale) and when the seasonal allergies hit their bodies go berserk.  When a food allergy hits a 5 there are almost always ongoing physical signs.  My guess is as the years go and the food allergies get worse she will see year round symptoms.  There is no way of judging at what point their bodies will tip, but eventually they would. 

Would still say it's gluten.  However, it's rare to be allergic to only one food (it does happen - just not common).  If they're allergic to one, they're likely allergic to dairy also.  Those two seem to go hand in hand.  I think not because there is any relation so much as when a person's immune system is attacking one food it is more likely to attack others also. 

patti
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: orcuttranch December 29, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
I'm thinking it would be better to test you and your husband.  Anything you guys are allergic to, yes, you could just interpret right down the line for everyone else.  My thinking is that you guys are older, your allergies are going to be much more damaging to your bodies at this age.  If you test the little ones, they might not test allergic to something that you guys are allergic to.  Since food allergies create more issues as life goes on it makes sense to get you two tested.  Basically, any of the "normal" food allergies that you two have, your kids will have.  ie.  gluten, dairy, eggs, nightshades, etc.  There may be some oddball ones like garlic, etc. that you're allergic to that the kids may be fine with simply because they haven't had enough of it at their age. 

As a side note - every case of eczema I've run across in a person has been caused by a gluten allergy.  I have no idea why.  Kind of like a dairy allergy tends to cause excess mucous or runny noses.  So I'm going to guess that will be high on the list of allergies for you all.   

If you have some oddball ones I can go over those with you to let you know which ones will likely end as allergies in your children if you keep using them (believe it or not, garlic is a big one). 

hth

patti

Thanks for the reply.  Oh - I hope we don't have gluten allergies.  I don't know if I have time for that.  ;)  I will say that the dry skin and eczema do tend to run with seasonal allergies here, too.  Very interesting.  I'm going to find out if there is a doctor around here that already does the test regularly.
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: snickerdoodle January 01, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
So the results came back on Mahrian's celiac panel.  The ND said that it came back negative for celiac but that the IgA was only a .06... And that because of that number she isn't confident that the celiac results are fully accurate.

 Now I don't have the other numbers yet, and I wasn't able to go over all of this at the time she called to get to where I could fully understand what that means and why.   

Can any of you tell me in layman's terms what the .06 IgA means? In terms of allergies and immune system and digestion... what am I looking at? 
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: snickerdoodle January 01, 2010, 10:17:22 PM
IgA stands for immunoglobulin A, one of the classes of immunoglobulins (also called antibodies) that are in the blood. IgA is important in protecting 'mucosal surfaces' - the linings of the tracts of the body, e.g. the lungs, and is secreted in saliva and tears. It protects against infections of the mucous membranes lining the mouth, airways, and digestive tract.

      

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: snickerdoodle January 01, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
. The most common illnesses associated with IgA deficiency are recurrent sinopulmonary infections, including sinusitis, otitis media, pharyngitis, bronchitis, and bronchopneumonia. Gastrointestinal tract disorders may also be associated with selective IgA deficiency, including a 10-fold increased risk of celiac disease, pernicious anemia, milk intolerance, malabsorption syndrome, and mucosal infections due to acute diarrhea caused by bacteria, viruses, or Giardia lamblia.[6]

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: mykidsmom January 02, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
So the results came back on Mahrian's celiac panel.  The ND said that it came back negative for celiac but that the IgA was only a .06... And that because of that number she isn't confident that the celiac results are fully accurate.

 Now I don't have the other numbers yet, and I wasn't able to go over all of this at the time she called to get to where I could fully understand what that means and why.   

Can any of you tell me in layman's terms what the .06 IgA means? In terms of allergies and immune system and digestion... what am I looking at? 

I'm not sure I can give you a complete picture but I can give you a partial picture.  IgA is an immune modulator.  If someone has a low IgA (I have a friend who has a husband and dd with this) it makes them extremely susceptible to illness.  As your other posting stated, it effects muscosal linings in particular.  So it would make one more likely to have celiac and I would continue to persue that direction because it's important to rule that out or to conclude she does have it.  It would also mean someone could be more affected by food allergies because their body is not able to modulate what is being put into it as well as leaky gut would be more likely because the integrity of the intestines is compromised by the IgA factor.  It might mistake a food protein as a viral bug and attack it. 

The only thing I've seen with IgA is that a very tightly held diet in terms of keeping allergens out, helps the immune system be healthier (what we've seen here in that area is amazing) and thus IgA factors have less opportunity to confuse viruses/bacterias for food proteins.  In other words, do everything you can to NOT confuse the body.  When the body is being bombarded with bugs that are running around and food allergies then the IgA factors will flip out a little.  This is where you can start to see autoimmune diseases.  The body doesn't know what to attack so it attacks everything.  So modulating the immune system using external factors (ie diet) is a "safe" and "natural" way to try and keep this issue in check. 

I've never seen it be life threatening.  I've only seen it cause more colds, flus, etc. because of the mucosal lining issue. 

Not sure if this helps at all and it's a very rudimentary explanation because explaining IgA is somewhat like trying to nail jello to a wall.   ;D

patti
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: snickerdoodle January 02, 2010, 10:03:15 PM
 :)  Thank you Patti. 

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: mommyjen January 07, 2010, 01:32:57 PM
Wow, all I can say is WOW. Fatigue, muscle weakness and pain, insomnia, headaches, inflammation, sinus and ear pressure/pain, poor attension span and thinking is SO much effort and sooo much more = MAJOR food allergies. I'm so happy I could cry to find out answers to life long heatlh issues. Okay, I'm going to cry no...w and then figure out what in the world I'm gonna eat. :P No nuts, dairy, eggs, or wheat and a few others for Gil and I.  Be back.  Patti I could  :-* you!!
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: mommyjen January 07, 2010, 05:30:27 PM
Okay, Patti, whatch'ya thinking?  :P  The numbers are 0-6. 

0-no reaction
1-very low
2- low
3-moderate
4-high
5-very high
6-extremely high
 
Me:

Almonds-high 2
kidney bean- 1
lima bean- 1
soy bean- 1
Wheat Gliadin- 3, high
Wheat Gluten- 3, high
Oat- 1, mid
Peanut- 4
Rye-1, mid
Spelt- 4
Wheat- 3, high

Dairy- all are high 4 or low 5 with goats milk being a high 3

Honey- 1
Sugar Cane- 3, low

Oyster- 3, low

Egg white- 4, high
egg yolk- 5, mid


DS:

Dairy- 5 and 6's with whey at 2

Egg white- 3, mid
egg yolk- 3, mid

Sugar cane- 1, low

Oyster- 1, high

Cranberry- 1, high
Grapes, red- 1, high
grapefruit- 1, high
orange- 1, high
peach- 1, low

almonds- 2, high
barley- 3, high
kidney bean- 1, high
lima bean- 3, low
pinto bean- 1, high
soy- 3, mid
Gliadin, wheat- 5
gluten, wheat- 5
peanut- 5
pecan- 2, low
rice- 1, high
rye- 5, low
spelt- 5, high
whole wheat- 5

asparagus- 2, mid
garlic- 2, low
mushroom- 2, low
Tomato- 2, low-mid
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: mommyjen January 07, 2010, 06:48:53 PM
Okay, Patti, whatch'ya thinking?  :P  The numbers are 0-6.  

0-no reaction
1-very low
2- low
3-moderate
4-high
5-very high
6-extremely high
  
Me:

Almonds-high 2
kidney bean- 1
lima bean- 1
soy bean- 1
Wheat Gliadin- 3, high
Wheat Gluten- 3, high
Oat- 1, mid
Peanut- 4
Rye-1, mid
Spelt- 4
Wheat- 3, high

Dairy- all are high 4 or low 5 with goats milk being a high 3

Honey- 1
Sugar Cane- 3, low

Oyster- 3, low

Egg white- 4, high
egg yolk- 5, mid


DS:

Dairy- 5 and 6's with whey at 2

Egg white- 3, mid
egg yolk- 3, mid

Sugar cane- 1, low

Oyster- 1, high

Cranberry- 1, high
Grapes, red- 1, high
grapefruit- 1, high
orange- 1, high

peach- 1, low

almonds- 2, high
barley- 3, high
kidney bean- 1, high
lima bean- 3, low
pinto bean- 1, high
soy- 3, mid
Gliadin, wheat- 5
gluten, wheat- 5
peanut- 5
pecan- 2, low
rice- 1, high
rye- 5, low
spelt- 5, high
whole wheat- 5

asparagus- 2, mid
garlic- 2, low
mushroom- 2, low
Tomato- 2, low-mid



I'm mostly wondering about these.  ND let us just pick them up, since paying for a consultation was not really feasible right now.
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: mykidsmom January 07, 2010, 07:49:02 PM
Thanks, Jen.  I love looking at other people's tests.   ::)  I must preface this with I AM NOT A DOCTOR.  Okay, now that you can't sue me I'll continue.   :D ;D

These are my recommendations based solely on my experience of different levels of allergies in my family and in working with others.  You MUST listen to your body.  I know someone that literally can't tolerate even their allergy 1 or 2 foods.  Yet, in my house the 1's and 2's are okay for most of us on a rotating basis.  But not my son.  So, again, listen to your body.  If you eat an low allergy and notice extra pain, bodily inflammation, etc. then pull it out.  But here's my recommendations with that caveat.

DO NOT HAVE

Gluten (which will naturally eliminate your lower allergy grains)
peanuts
all dairy but butter if you can handle it
all eggs and egg products


Anything that is a 1, 2 or 3 you should be able to rotate on a once a week basis with no problem.  Honest to goodness, Jen, this test doesn't look horrible.  I realize the thought of being GF/DF/EF sounds difficult, but I would give anything to ONLY  have those allergies.   :D  And other then the dairy, they're not that bad either.  But I think it's causing you a lot of inflammation internally and that's coming out in your pain, etc.

I REALLY want to tell you to avoid nightshades even though that tomato was pretty low.  The reason why is because nightshades are notorious for inflammation and I think while you're trying to heal something really painful that it would be good to avoid those just for 3 months or so why your body settles out and gets rid of the dairy, gluten and egg proteins.  If you can stand to get rid of tomatoes and potatoes for 3 months, Dr. Patti would like you to.   ;D   ;)

So, remove those things from everyone's diet.  Those lower allergy numbers will actually go away with removing the big ones and adding a good digestive enzyme.  You should see all of those 1's, 2's and 3's on your husband go by the wayside with these changes.  

The "goal" is to rotate your foods so you don't get something more then once a week (they say every four days but that doesn't work either).  I'll be honest with you.  This is almost impossible.  For us, what we have for dinner we have leftover for lunch the next day.  So what I would say is, anything that is a 2 or 3 absolutely only have once a week.  Period.  Everything else you should be fine with.  

When I first started out I took a large sheet of paper with the days of the week on it.  Under each meal for each day I put what we would eat.  I did my best to stick to it.  It didn't work for long but it got me started for about two weeks.  After that, I got the hang of it.  Also, the longer I've gone I've learned about new foods like quinoa and millet grains which have added to my ability to have variety.   What you will find is that your diet will essentially be meat, fruits and veggies.  You'll lose some weight being GF.  My hub lost 15lbs (didn't need to!!!) and I lost about 5 (figures  ::)  ).  

I guess I'd better be getting my GF recipes up on fb, huh?  I've told several people I would and I just haven't had time.  Pray God will give me a few extra hours for that project.   ;)

Praying that you see significant improvements.  I would also recommend you do some GENTLE cleansing teas during the first month to help remove toxin build up in your body.  

Keep us posted.

patti


p.s.  If it makes you feel any better, my husband was a 5 or 6 on everything but 3 berries.  And my poor DS was a 6 on EVERYTHING.  
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: mommyjen January 07, 2010, 08:06:03 PM
Printing this out.  Thank you, thank you.  I am happy to take night shades out...anything to be well again and better safe than sorry.  I really like the menu idea, hubby is not big on variety so that will be very doable and helpful here. Got lots of mulling over the test and planning to do.  I have lots of questions about what causes, contributes to allergies and healing from them, but right not I just need to figure out what I'm gonna feed my family. I'm pulling everyone off eggs, gluten, and dairy (hubby will drink dairy till an allergy test proves otherwise) until I can get them tested cause from what I've learned from you they are likely allergic to them too (ds allergy test basically mimics mine!).  I would love to have your recipes...if and when you have time!  Until then, I've got lots of WTM recipe threads to read.  :-*  Thanks again!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: 4myhoonie January 08, 2010, 04:02:02 AM
wow, mommyjen, your test makes mine look easy!  i only have to avoid these things & i don't have anything that is more than 1/2 way through the 2 column:


dairy (all except goat milkl)--2
eggs--2
mushrooms--2
wheat--1 (maxed out)
wheat gluten--1 (maxed out)
cranberries--2
asparagus--1
potatoes--1
tomatoes--1
radishes--1
soy--1
red grapes (no red wine vinegar, etc.)--1
crab--1
lobster--1
halibut--1
tuna--1
spelt--1
almond--1
amaranth--1

i haven't been able to tolerate even one bite of any of these things.  most of the #1's are just barely into the 1 column.  i have been avoiding all grains like oats, even though they didn't show up, cuz they "may" be contaminated with gluten.  also, beans and fruits give me gas, so am not eating those either.  so i am also looking very forward to having some actual recipes to use, i don't have much access to specialty foods, and they are so expensive at our groc. store here, i am just doing without them.  i did buy some GF sam's club crackers, but they have amaranth & potato starch in them and aren't that great anyway.  i have been living out of an iron skillet, just stir frying some meat, veggies, & sometimes a GF grain for breakfast and lunch and eating a really boring dinner of salad and meat.  everything is really boring without any condiments.  but that's life right now!  i am wondering if any of this is going to get better right away after the birth. 

sorry, i wasn't much help, he didn't give me any info on what we could do after.  he had me taking Kyolic garlic right now, but it was making me burp so much i quit.  not sure if i should have continued.  will be watching this thread!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen January 08, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
4myhoonie, mine may look worse but if you can't even eat your 1's then yikes!  Besides pregnancy, do you think you  might have some gut issues that are contributing to food allergies?  I'm wondering if we do.  I would be lost without my health food stores and food co-op.  I count my blessing all the time living on the west coast where there's so much variety in that regard.  Have you ever looked at Vita Costs foods selection?  I found them when looking for foods for my mom for her eat right for your blood type diet.  There are no really good hfs there in her part of Mississippi and like you said what there is is expensive. Anyways, they are very well priced and vita cost has free shipping over a reasonable amount and they have tons of gluten free stuff...pasta, snack bars, etc.  Here's a link... http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?ss=1&Ntk=products&x=0&y=0&Ntt=brown%20rice  
I didn't think about the red winevinegar connection!  And what do you mean by maxed out for wheat and gluten?  I need recipes too, but first I need to figure out what I can eat!  I just realized a few more things and hoping you gals can help!

First of some things are almost a 1 and on the line, should I avoid those too? Only once a week as well or is more okay?

Second...here's a few I figured wrong yesterday and am not sure about.

DS:

Lettuce- 1, mid (this is crazy!)
white onion- 1, mid (sooo limiting!)
pepper, green bell- almost a 1
sweet potato- just a 1
white potato- 1, mid-high
spinach- one the 0/1 line
zucchini- on the 1 line as well
buckwheat- nearing 1
lentil- one the 1 line
green pea- nearing 1
sesame- 1, low-mid
rice- 1, mid-high (help!)

So it's looking that night shades are out? but what am I gonna do w/out sweet potatoes?! Yams only or should I avoid those too?  And zuchini and spinach!  What else is there, lol.  Sesame seeds are out too?  Okay and so one thing I'm really concerned about is the brown rice.  That is soo limiting! especially since buckwheat, green peas, and lentils may be out. Last but not least...what about onion?  What could I season with without garlic or onion?  I need help! I'm feeling really overwhelmed and the major problem is just not knowing what we should/shouldn't eat every day, once a week, or not at all.  Also, ds fine for walnuts (about a third away from the 1 line) but is that okay since pecans, almonds and peanuts are high?

I also tested ON the 1 line for yeast (baker) so should I count that as a once a week allergy?

Okay, I'm sooo sorry to ask so many questions!  I would greatly appreciate input.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen January 08, 2010, 11:58:37 AM
4myhoonie, here's a really great looking sprouted rice protein powder.  I don't tend to go for such processed food, but when I'm pregnant I tend to not get enough calories/protein if I don't do splurge and do a little.  It would make a great snack in between meals blended with bananas and flax seed or whatever.  It's a 30 day supply at two drinks a day (16 grams protein each) or a 60 day supply at one a day for only $13.76!  That's a great deal! Just an idea.  This is gonna take some transitioning!

http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Naturals-Brown-Rice-Protein-Powder/pd_section-pr#ProductReviews
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: 4myhoonie January 08, 2010, 01:26:45 PM

I didn't think about the red winevinegar connection!  And what do you mean by maxed out for wheat and gluten?  

thanks for the link, i only have 3 weeks left and with so many foods and esp. carbs bothering me, i don't think it's for me right now.  maybe i will try it nursing at a later date. 

what i meant by maxed out, was that it was at the very end of the 1, but not over the line.  sorry, i am kind of in the same boat as far as overwhelmed-ness, so i am not much help, but i will tell you i have been living out of an iron skillet for 2 meals a day, just frying up whatever veggies and meat (precooked) i have that are non-allergens (breakfast and lunch).  i use olive oil and a few dried herbs.  boring, but filling, and nutritious.  i've been trying to low carb for those 2 meals, because of yeast issues.  at dinner i will have some precooked rice or millet with whatever meat they are having and a salad. sometimes lunch is a salad with meat too.  i use my homemade dressing recipe (posted in the HM dressing thread) having taken out all the allergens.  i replaced the red wine vin. with white. and raw garlic w/ powder, and left out the worchestershire sauce.  hope maybe this gives you something to go on!  press on!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom January 08, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
4myhoonie, mine may look worse but if you can't even eat your 1's then yikes!  Besides pregnancy, do you think you  might have some gut issues that are contributing to food allergies?  I'm wondering if we do.  I would be lost without my health food stores and food co-op.  I count my blessing all the time living on the west coast where there's so much variety in that regard.  Have you ever looked at Vita Costs foods selection?  I found them when looking for foods for my mom for her eat right for your blood type diet.  There are no really good hfs there in her part of Mississippi and like you said what there is is expensive. Anyways, they are very well priced and vita cost has free shipping over a reasonable amount and they have tons of gluten free stuff...pasta, snack bars, etc.  Here's a link... http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?ss=1&Ntk=products&x=0&y=0&Ntt=brown%20rice  
I didn't think about the red winevinegar connection!  And what do you mean by maxed out for wheat and gluten?  I need recipes too, but first I need to figure out what I can eat!  I just realized a few more things and hoping you gals can help!

First of some things are almost a 1 and on the line, should I avoid those too? Only once a week as well or is more okay?

Second...here's a few I figured wrong yesterday and am not sure about.

DS:

Lettuce- 1, mid (this is crazy!)
white onion- 1, mid (sooo limiting!)
pepper, green bell- almost a 1
sweet potato- just a 1
white potato- 1, mid-high
spinach- one the 0/1 line
zucchini- on the 1 line as well
buckwheat- nearing 1
lentil- one the 1 line
green pea- nearing 1
sesame- 1, low-mid
rice- 1, mid-high (help!)

So it's looking that night shades are out? but what am I gonna do w/out sweet potatoes?! Yams only or should I avoid those too?  And zuchini and spinach!  What else is there, lol.  Sesame seeds are out too?  Okay and so one thing I'm really concerned about is the brown rice.  That is soo limiting! especially since buckwheat, green peas, and lentils may be out. Last but not least...what about onion?  What could I season with without garlic or onion?  I need help! I'm feeling really overwhelmed and the major problem is just not knowing what we should/shouldn't eat every day, once a week, or not at all.  Also, ds fine for walnuts (about a third away from the 1 line) but is that okay since pecans, almonds and peanuts are high?

I also tested ON the 1 line for yeast (baker) so should I count that as a once a week allergy?

Okay, I'm sooo sorry to ask so many questions!  I would greatly appreciate input.


Forget the 1's unless you can pinpoint actual symtoms.  As for the brown rice, no more then twice a week.  So you'll have to be careful because if you buy GF stuff ready made most of it has both brown rice flour and potato flour in them.  Essentially, you need to cook from scratch.  I'll get to working on those recipes.... ::)

ALL allergies are caused by gut issues.   ;)  So, yep, there's gut issues going on. 

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen January 08, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
Okay, Patti, I'm not trying to be difficult, but  ;D  I'm confused. :-[   So I'm forgetting the 1s, but the brown rice is a 1 (although a high 1).  Do you mean forget the 1's as in we can have them everyday (unless symptoms are noted).  But the brown rice is a high 1 so rotate that.   :-[ :-[ :-[   As an aside, I made the most discusting dinner tonight.  :P  I could use some recipes.  :D  I want to get the superallergygirl cook book, but that probably assumes you can eat rice!  Which we all can, just not Gil.

Just so we're clear...

1's who cares unless a reaction okay to eat everyday (except gluten like oats, rye, and barley)

2-3's rotate to consume no more than once a week (except gluten and eggs)

4-6 avoid (including night shades)

Sound okay?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen January 08, 2010, 05:54:33 PM
Okay, Patti, I'm not trying to be difficult, but  ;D  I'm confused. :-[   So I'm forgetting the 1s, but the brown rice is a 1 (although a high 1).  Do you mean forget the 1's as in we can have them everyday (unless symptoms are noted).  But the brown rice is a high 1 so rotate that.   :-[ :-[ :-[   As an aside, I made the most discusting dinner tonight.  :P  I could use some recipes.  :D  I want to get the superallergygirl cook book, but that probably assumes you can eat rice!  Which we all can, just not Gil.

Just so we're clear...

1's who cares unless a reaction okay to eat everyday (except gluten like oats, rye, and barley)

2-3's rotate to consume no more than once a week (except gluten and eggs)

4-6 avoid (including night shades)

Sound okay?

I found the sample report on the usbiotek site!  I realized there's a few other things I need to pick up from the ND after reading it like the handy little wallet card that says what to avoid and what to rotate.  I also need to get that food family book...

http://www.usbiotek.com/Resources_Sample-Reports.php
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom January 08, 2010, 07:53:10 PM
Just so we're clear...

1's who cares unless a reaction okay to eat everyday (except gluten like oats, rye, and barley)

2-3's rotate to consume no more than once a week (except gluten and eggs)

4-6 avoid (including night shades)

Sound okay?

Jen, I'm sorry.  I'm exhausted and not feeling well on top of it and when I saw "high" I "assume" a 4-6; not a 1.  Brown rice is fine.  Use brown rice but do use caution and know that if you use it too much it will become a bigger allergy.  Aside from brown rice flour, we only eat rice once a week so it's easy for me.  Any flour in a recipe is spread through the whole recipe so it's not like you're getting two cups of flour in one shot.  You're getting like, 3 tbls or something like that.  So, brown rice is fine just don't over do it.  Yes, your list above is exactly correct.  That superallergygirl cookbook would help you a lot because she avoids all major allergens.  When's your birthday?  Ask hubby.   ;D

I'm sorry for the confusion.  I'm now going to take my not feeling so well body to bed "early" for me.   :P

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mommyjen January 09, 2010, 06:40:57 AM
That superallergygirl cookbook would help you a lot because she avoids all major allergens.  When's your birthday?  Ask hubby.   ;D

Well if I keep turning out these terrible egg/dairy/gluten meals, I may get it sooner.  ;)  ;D Thank you sooo much for your help figuring out the ELISA.  I think I understand our allergy/rotation foods now and am gonna type up a chart for the fridge.  I hope you're feeling better this morning!  :-*  
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: crystal March 28, 2010, 04:39:25 PM
Is it possible to do the Elisa test and not have it show ANY sensitivities?  Can a person be COMPLETELY free of allergy?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: beppyjo March 28, 2010, 05:16:49 PM
Is that wishful thinking or your results  ;D ;D ;D

 Sorry, don't have an answer for you but couldn't resist asking if it was wishful thinking! I would have liked those results on mine.........
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom March 28, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
Is it possible to do the Elisa test and not have it show ANY sensitivities?  Can a person be COMPLETELY free of allergy?

Yes.  I looked at one for a lady today.  Her son only had allergies to 3 or 4 foods and everything else was totally clean.  The three or four he was allergic to were 1's and 2's (except the dairy).  His was the best looking ELISA I've seen.  Oh, I do know one other person that had it done and had no allergies even though he clearly reacts to gluten (may be a celiac issue though).  Soooooo, it can happen.  Now I'm curious.  Why do you ask?   ;D

If one suspects they have allergies and then test negative for any, I would begin looking at digestion/absorption issues first then hormone/glandular issues, then move on to adrenal issues.  Those three things pretty much cover all that ails the body.   

patti

: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: crystal March 28, 2010, 07:03:33 PM

Is it possible to do the Elisa test and not have it show ANY sensitivities?  Can a person be COMPLETELY free of allergy?

Yes.  I looked at one for a lady today.  Her son only had allergies to 3 or 4 foods and everything else was totally clean.  The three or four he was allergic to were 1's and 2's (except the dairy).  His was the best looking ELISA I've seen.  Oh, I do know one other person that had it done and had no allergies even though he clearly reacts to gluten (may be a celiac issue though).  Soooooo, it can happen.  Now I'm curious.  Why do you ask?   ;D

If one suspects they have allergies and then test negative for any, I would begin looking at digestion/absorption issues first then hormone/glandular issues, then move on to adrenal issues.  Those three things pretty much cover all that ails the body.  

patti



I showed NO sensitivities.  I actually wonder if the doctor ran the test correctly.  I don't necessarily think that I "should" show any allergies, but I wasn't certain that absolutely no allergy showing was possible.  The doctor did say that he doesn't see such a thing very often.  I had the test done about 10 years ago.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom March 29, 2010, 10:27:20 AM

Is it possible to do the Elisa test and not have it show ANY sensitivities?  Can a person be COMPLETELY free of allergy?

Yes.  I looked at one for a lady today.  Her son only had allergies to 3 or 4 foods and everything else was totally clean.  The three or four he was allergic to were 1's and 2's (except the dairy).  His was the best looking ELISA I've seen.  Oh, I do know one other person that had it done and had no allergies even though he clearly reacts to gluten (may be a celiac issue though).  Soooooo, it can happen.  Now I'm curious.  Why do you ask?   ;D

If one suspects they have allergies and then test negative for any, I would begin looking at digestion/absorption issues first then hormone/glandular issues, then move on to adrenal issues.  Those three things pretty much cover all that ails the body.  

patti



I showed NO sensitivities.  I actually wonder if the doctor ran the test correctly.  I don't necessarily think that I "should" show any allergies, but I wasn't certain that absolutely no allergy showing was possible.  The doctor did say that he doesn't see such a thing very often.  I had the test done about 10 years ago.

It's been a long time since you had that test.  Lots could have changed health wise (babies, etc).  This test has gotten more sensitive over the years.  If you're having health issues that you aren't finding solutions for, I would recommend doing the test now and only through US BioTek.  I heard there were other labs doing it but I wouldn't trust them.  I like that US BioTek only does certain tests.   The more you do of something, the better you get at it. 

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: crystal April 08, 2010, 10:33:09 AM
So, in order to take this test, I have to have a doc sign the req form and order the test.  Then, when the test comes to his office, I have to go back and have them draw blood, send in the test and wait for the results?  Is there any way to have a doc sign the form and have the stuff sent to my house, draw the blood myself and send in for results?  Only the IgA test (DBS card) is necessary, yes? 

Anyone had any luck getting a GP sign for this?

Patti, one of these days I hope to get our whole family to Dr. Dramov.  He sounds great!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom April 08, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
So, in order to take this test, I have to have a doc sign the req form and order the test.  Then, when the test comes to his office, I have to go back and have them draw blood, send in the test and wait for the results?  Is there any way to have a doc sign the form and have the stuff sent to my house, draw the blood myself and send in for results?  Only the IgA test (DBS card) is necessary, yes? 

Anyone had any luck getting a GP sign for this?

Patti, one of these days I hope to get our whole family to Dr. Dramov.  He sounds great!

Your doctor can sign the req. form and draw the blood (given he knows what to draw and understands where to send it to) on the same day.  I have found my doctor's office does not do this.  Usually they send me straight to a lab that does know how to do it and the lab sends it to US BioTek with the req. form.  If you go this route, it's important to make sure payment information is provided otherwise it will just sit at US BioTek.

The other method is to have your doctor's office order the fingerprick kit and call you when they get it.  Have him sign the req. and do the test at the same time.  Results will go back to him but I have found that my doctor is willing to just leave the results at the front desk and let me pick them up with no appt. since they don't know how to read it anyway. 

Dramov requires an appt. to get the test results back because of State of Oregon laws that don't allow him to give the info over the phone or through the mail without covering it with the patient first. 

US BioTek will not mail a kit directly to a patient.  The doctor must order it. 

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: crystal April 08, 2010, 06:12:23 PM
do the prick test and the vial test cost the same?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: mykidsmom April 08, 2010, 09:49:57 PM
do the prick test and the vial test cost the same?


Yup.  As far as US BioTek is concerned they charge the same.  Whether or not your doctor would charge the same depends on him (drawing blood vs. finger prick).  If he's willing to order the finger prick test and just have you pick it up with the signed req. form, that would be the cheapest way to get it done, I think.  Then you could do the test at home and mail it in.  Have him call when he gets the results and pick them up at the front desk.  No appts. needed (if they agree, of course!).   ;D 

patti
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: crystal May 06, 2010, 01:13:17 PM
Got my Elisa back.  I registered the following:

All dairy (except mozzarella at a high 1) is in the 3 range, with yogurt being the highest (almost a 4)

Eggs, white and yolk, are almost 4

Sugar cane is a 1

Pineapple is a low 2

Oysters are almost a 2

Spelt is mid 2, with whole wheat being a high 1, And wheat gliadin and gluten both being a 1 (Is this a sign of a rising wheat allergy?)

Almonds are a 1


I am shocked by the milk and egg allergy.  I honestly would not have thought this was a possibility for me.  I show NO signs of allergies , that I know of.  Maybe I will lose weight if I remove dairy?  The only reason I took the test was for curiousity sake.  We pursued it for my hubby's problems.  We will get his results tomorrow.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: crystal May 07, 2010, 09:49:01 AM
Hubby's test results are back.  He is EXTREMELY allergic to dairy, in all forms.  He is EXTREMELY allergic to almonds, filberts, egg yolks.  He is moderately allergic to wheat, in all forms, citrus, egg whites, pecans and sunflower.

We have some adjusting to do.  Hubby has an AWESOME attitude!  He is so easy.  The kids, however.... :-\

Where do I start?  What are the best books, sites, etc....?  Patti?   :)
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: DHW May 08, 2010, 04:57:11 PM
Crystal, did you and dh do the delayed or the immediate reaction tests?

Patti, are both tests still available as finger pricks?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: ArmyWife May 12, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
DHW, I know I'm not Patti, but I can still tell you that the IgE testing is no longer available w/ the finger prick test, only the IgG.  It is something that has apparently changed in the last half year or so, b/c when I had my kids tested back in Dec. using the finger prick, they would not run the IgE test on it, and said that one can only be done w/ the blood draw/blood serum test.  On the requisition form they have on their website, the only option for the IgE is the blood draw (it also tests IgG reaction, of course, when you do the blood draw).  HTH!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: DHW May 12, 2010, 04:56:33 PM
That's what I thought, too.  Any comments on how valuable only the IgG would be without the IgE?
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: ArmyWife May 12, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
When I talked to the lady at Dr. Dramov's office (I have a phone apt. set up for my son) she said that he typically just does the IgG testing anyways.  That's what I had done for my three kids, though for myself I had the blood serum test done.  I came back IgG reactive to all dairy in varying degrees, from moderate to very high, but had no IgE response to anything.  Our insurance was paying for it, so I figured for myself I might as well go ahead and have both done.  It sure was nice for my young kids though to just have the finger prick, as that seems a lot less traumatic to a child than the needle in the arm, though in reality the little bit of pain from it is about the same for either one.  The IgG reactions are typically going to be the ones that are harder to pinpoint on their own, simply b/c of the possibility of the reaction being delayed up to 3 days (from my understanding).  For us, the IgG told me that my oldest dd, 5, has a very high reaction to eggs, though I never would have guessed/known it, and high to very high for spelt, wheat, gluten, etc.  I expected her to be allergic to dairy, but in fact she wasn't, except very low for whey, and neither were my other two, though that is really the only main one for myself!  Anyways, there were some other random things that I know now to make sure we don't overdo it on those things, so all around it was very helpful to have the IgG results.  I would like to get them retested at the end of the year, and have thought about going ahead and doing the blood serum test just to make sure there's no IgE reaction to anything.  When I initially had this testing done, I thought that I was going to be able to have both results from the finger stick, but USBiotek had already made the change.  If you can do both, I say go ahead and do it, that way you know that you have everything covered and can make sure you have all allergens removed from your diet during the time that you're working on repairing damage done to the gut.
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: petersgirl May 17, 2010, 06:48:35 AM
I just got my daughter tested and interestingly she came up with the exact same allergens as Armywife's daughter AND I am pretty sure that I have a dairy allergy as well.   One question: I am planning to try duck eggs for our daughter.   Has anyone had any experience of these working/not working after testing allergic to chicken eggs?   

Now, I am hoping to get myself and dh tested - though am almost afraid to.  Our lives have already been pretty rocked by dd's test results.   
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: boysmama May 18, 2010, 09:34:00 AM
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: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: amy September 15, 2010, 09:11:09 AM
Could anyone with experience taking the ELISA test multiple times tell me if you have gotten consistent results?  Do the same allergies turn up every time?  What made you get retested?  Did you do anything between tests that seemed to make a difference?  Did GAPS or food elimination diets seem to affect the subsequent tests?  Is there any anecdotal proof that these special diets allow your body to heal and alter your bodies reaction to these allergens? 

I'm really doubting what doctors (even naturopaths) have told me about the cause of allergies.  I think much more research is needed about what is causing allergies, what triggers the onset, etc.  I'm hoping to glean some understanding from some real life examples with scientific evidence to back them up...hence, the request for info. from those who've taken multiple blood tests.  I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone who's willing to share their experience  :)

Thanks,
Amy 
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: petersgirl September 24, 2010, 11:25:08 AM
We had my 4 yo dd tested almost 6 months ago and she came up with wheat/gluten and egg allergies and then some sort of bizarre ones to common vegetables these thankfully aren't very high.   SO, we cut out eggs and gluten/wheat.   About a month ago, my husband saw his doctor for a regular physical and mentioned the test.   My husband came home very convinced that this type of allergy test ( IgG)  is not necessarily accurate, not believed by allergists to be very reliable or indicative of real allergies - because of the type of antibodies it tests for.   I didn't really know how to respond.   A little background:  our daughter really didn't have any symptoms.  She has never had a rash, unusual diarrhea, hives - nothing outward.   I think that she has been more "even-keeled" since we have eliminated gluten but it isn't super significant.   My husband wants more proof - if we are going to go to the trouble of sticking to a special diet.   In the small amount of internet research we have done, the ELISA IgG test is indeed viewed somewhat skeptically be the medical establishment - but then many of the things discussed here are :)  .   Any ideas, suggestions?   THANK YOU!
: Re: Info on Elisa 96 test
: petersgirl September 30, 2010, 05:55:21 PM
I'll reply to my own question :)  but I would still appreciate any input that others might have.  I inquired with US Biotek and they promptly responded with links to their own website - I guess I didn't search around enough.  I will include these links, I read one of the articles and already it has cleared up some questions.   Because it was becoming an issue between my husband and I, I relented for the time being and allowed dd to eat wheat and gluten again.  We'll have her retested soon so perhaps it will make the test more accurate...?
I understand your concerns. I know that in the medical community many doctors don’t believe in this type of testing.  Naturopaths and other alternative doctors are more likely to choose IgG tests for their patients.  Although a doctor would indeed be best to speak to, I can refer you to some information on our website that may help.
 
Reading to describe the relevance of IgG testing:
http://www.usbiotek.com/Resources_Improvements%20in%20Diagnostic%20Testing%20for%20Food%20Allergies.php
http://www.usbiotek.com/Downloads/information/clinicalRelevance.pdf
http://www.usbiotek.com/Downloads/information/criticalReview.pdf
                                                                               
Testimonials & case studies:
http://www.usbiotek.com/Resources_Testimonials.php
http://www.usbiotek.com/resources_case_studies.php
 
This article is a recent study regarding the reproducibility of our test results:
http://www.usbiotek.com/news_swedish_analysis.php