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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Kidneys & Urinary Tract => : healthybratt April 07, 2006, 05:38:21 AM

: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt April 07, 2006, 05:38:21 AM
My 5 year daughter started having belly pain before going potty and then started wetting the bed.  It took a couple of days to figure out, she might have a Urinary Tract Infection.  I took her to the doctor and although, he said he needed to run a culture to be sure, he was convinced by her symptoms that I was right...After we got home, my suspicions were further confirmed by the development of a fever.

So, the doctor gave her the dreaded antibiotics.  I don't like them, but I know that UTI's can be very painful (I've had a few) and the doctor explained that females must be especially careful because multiple infections could cause or be an indication of a distended ureter which could cause something he called a reflux condition where urine could back up into the kidneys and cause permanent damage.

My doctor also says that drinking juice and koolaid, etc do not affect this condition negatively.  The only drink that he recommends avoiding is caffeine because of it's diruretic properties.  Without regular flow through the kidneys, you cannot flush the bacteria causing the infection.

I know that prevention is best, but sometimes you can't prevent every little organism from finding it's way into the wrong place at the wrong time.  However; suggetions on regular prevention would be invited.

Does anyone know, "absolutely, without a doubt" alternative healing solutions for these infections?  I don't like the idea of experimenting on my babies only to find out that I allowed the infection to damage their organs.  :-[
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: ForeverGirl April 07, 2006, 05:55:12 AM
Hello Healthybratt - I feel cheeky calling you that -

I had repetitive urinary/kidney infections as a child. My mom cured me by putting me on a daily cranberry juice and fresh/frozen blue berries diet. Contrary to what your doctor tells you - sugar does make ANY infection worse, as it lowers the immune system. I'm assuming koolaid has sugar in it.

Any way, I also had a severe kidney infection (unable to stand, 105 degree fever) while in the jungle of Papua New Guinea. The infection followed food poisoning. I was a day's walk from an airstrip, and bush planes rarely landed there anyway. So it was die or get well.

I prayed and felt like God said "there is a can of whole cranberries in your storage room - eat the whole thing." Of course I argued - knowing every single can of food in my storage room. It was impossible to buy stuff like that in the jungle, and I knew I hadn't come overseas with a can of cranberries in my suitcase.

But I crawled to the storage room and -lo and behold - cranberries in plain view on the storage room shelf. I think an angel put them there.  :o I ate half the can of cranberries (with skins still on, and no sugar included) right away, and the second half of the can an hour later, as soon as my stomach would allow. I was well the next day!

I've recommended fresh or frozen blue berries to several people with urinary infections, and never heard of it NOT working.

It's a yummy treatment that your daughter should enjoy! Feed her as much as she's willing to eat! The UT infection bacteria is almost impossible to kill with antibiotics, so blue berry/cranberry maintenance is going to be necessary!

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: healthybratt April 07, 2006, 06:01:54 AM
Hello Healthybratt - I feel cheeky calling you that -

I've always been a bit of a "bratt".  I thinks it's part of being an only child.   ;)

The UT infection bacteria is almost impossible to kill with antibiotics, so blue berry/cranberry maintenance is going to be necessary!

Do you have any more info on this?
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: ForeverGirl April 07, 2006, 06:57:41 AM
I should have stated that "I believe UTI infection is almost impossible to kill...." I haven't read that anywhere. However, I have read that UTI's often "recur" even after antibiotics. One of the articles below mentions this.

 HOWEVER - I have recommended the blueberry/cranberry regimen to half a dozen women that had been through the antibiotic route and STILL had UTI's. One lady had taken six rounds of antibiotics, but her UTI kept coming back. She began to take vit C in large doses (as much as she could without causing diarhea) and eating raw blueberries, and drinking cranberry juice. Her UTI cleared up within a few days, and did not recur during the two years that I knew her. She kept blueberries as a part of her diet for months.

http://www.healingtherapies.info/Urinary-Tract%20Health%20-%20Part%202.htm  (this is on natural prevention/healing of UTI's)

http://www.healingtherapies.info/herbal.htm (this is just a good article on herbs/drugs/etc...)

http://www.drugstore.com/qxc40562_333181_sespider/urinary_tract_infection/urinary_tract_infection.htm  (drug info- not for or against herbs... just speculation)
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: healthybratt April 07, 2006, 11:55:21 AM
Thanks for the info.

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: dara April 07, 2006, 05:27:12 PM
      One of my little ones gets UTIs pretty easily. My favorite way to nip it in the bud is with a product called EmergenC (made by Alacer). It is a vitamin C supliment that comes in a box of foil packets (single servings). It has 1000 mg of vit. C and comes in Cranberry (which contains 1000 mg. of cranberry powder). A couple a day when he has an infection, and one a day to help him stay over it for a few days. You can get them from the health food store, or from vitacost.com. We have also found it important to see that he drinks a lot of water; as a typical kid, he doesn't stop long enough to drink a lot normally.
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: healthybratt April 07, 2006, 06:57:48 PM
Thanks for all the info. 

Interesting update:  My doctor's office called today and said her culture was negative.  So I put her on antibiotics for almost 3 days for absolutely no reason, but then I'm still wondering why she was having such urinary urgency and tummy cramps.  I put her on nothing but water to drink the day we went to the doctor and she's improved.    :-\

I'm going to the store tomorrow and Monday though, and I'm definately going to look for some blueberries.  I've never had them raw before, are they sweet?
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: StephTallent April 07, 2006, 08:31:21 PM
My cousin had a very similar thing happen when she was 5 years old.  After an unfortunate misunderstanding at a urologists office and ending up with a specialist in Atlanta it was found that she was sensitive to the Bubble Bath they had been using and it caused her recurring UTI's and also her bed wetting.  According to the specialist in Atlanta sensitivities to soaps and bubble baths are very common causes of UTI's in children. 

Ditto what Beka suggested.  I've had a couple of UTI's since being married.  The first one I had no idea what was happening so it ended up getting unbelievably bad.  The pain was so horrible I blacked out in the bathroom.  I ended up on an antibiotic with that one.  Couple of months later I came down with another one but I caught this one in time with blueberries, cranberry tablets and lots of water.  It worked!  :) 
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: ForeverGirl April 08, 2006, 06:32:28 AM
Wow Steph, that's rough!

HealthyBratt,

Fresh blueberries can be expensive this time of year. You can also just buy a bag of frozen BB's. I've done that lots of times, and just reach in the freezer for a handful of frozen BB's to put in a cup for my child to snack on several times a day. Yes, they are sweet and the kids love them!

You can also buy real, unsweetened cranberry juice at most grocery stores. Not Wally world, but, Albertsons, Safeway...

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: cbrownell April 16, 2006, 04:47:13 PM
My daughter is also sensitive to the bubble bath.  Use sparingly.   She loves it too, so it's hard.   

Cranberry is also good for kidney stones and prevention!!   
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: healthybratt April 16, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
My daughter is also sensitive to the bubble bath.  Use sparingly.   She loves it too, so it's hard.   

Detergents are very harsh (more info on this thread) (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,39.msg104.html#msg104).  I'm guessing they probably disturb the natural flora in the UT.  Maybe you could find a homemade bubble bath that uses soap, glycerine, and/or coconut oils.  These should be less irritating.
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: candcwelch April 17, 2006, 10:09:31 AM
We found that California Baby bubble bath and Grape Bubble bath by Kiss My Face - do not cause irritation to our girls.

I also battled urinary infections and kidney stones (twice) - I was told to stop taking multi-vitamins (I was on prenatal vitamins both times I had stones) and only drink water. I now drink water and a cup of OJ every day and have not had any problems in years. I started taking vitamins again (okay, I am grabbing a gummy vitamin from the children's vitamin bottle in the morning) and have not had any problems.
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: healthybratt May 26, 2006, 09:48:57 AM
My daughter has what we think is a UTI.  I gave her fresh blueberries for two days and she's been drinking cranberry juice for 4 days and the pain decreased for a short period and then got much worse.  If I can't get it healed she'll have to take antibiotics and I just got her yeast free, I really really really don't want to go there again. 

Any suggestions.   :-\
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: jenny4wen May 26, 2006, 09:52:52 AM
Could she possibly have Kidney stones?  I was treated for a year with cronic UTI's and later found out they were kidney stones.  Very painfull.  I know your daughter is very young, but I was 21-22 when mine first hit.  So who knows?  Has she had any back pain with the "UTI" pains?  even if she hasn't, it still could be kidney stones.  The only way to really tell is to have an XRay or CT scan though :'( expensive, and not very fun.  I pray that she feels better.  Cranberries and Blueberries are the most wonderful things you can give her!  Praying you find the answer soon.
~Jenny
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: StephTallent May 26, 2006, 10:53:33 AM
My daughter has what we think is a UTI.  I gave her fresh blueberries for two days and she's been drinking cranberry juice for 4 days and the pain decreased for a short period and then got much worse.  If I can't get it healed she'll have to take antibiotics and I just got her yeast free, I really really really don't want to go there again. 

Any suggestions.   :-\

Also give her tons of Vit. C.  I have had a couple of friends that have been unable to kick their UTI's naturally for whatever reason.  One ended up in the ER with her kidney's also infected so badly they were damaged.   :'(  All that to say, if the natural stuff isn't improving it after a reasonable period of time don't be afraid to get the antibiotics.  Keep her diet as yeast/sugar free as possible while she's on it and start giving her Tummy Tune Up (or high quality acidophilus product) as soon as she's off and it should keep the Yeast from getting a foot hold again. 

Hope the all the natural stuff starts working soon!! There are few things as painful as a really, really bad UTI.  :-\
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: healthybratt May 26, 2006, 12:04:06 PM
start giving her Tummy Tune Up

Just ran out.  Gave my last bottle to my SIL.  Guess it's time to get some more.  I need to quit trying to cure the world.  I keep running myself out of supplies.   :-\
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: dara May 26, 2006, 01:29:44 PM
HAVE HER DRINK WATER! Till it comes out her ears! It is the number one thing she can do! At least 20 oz. per hour, starting out with a quart right away (Unless this is your younger girl- she won't need quite this much...). If this is your 14 year old, give her up to 1000 mg of vit. C per hour, if your 5 year old, 500 mg. per hour, for a few hours. Does the cranberry juice have sugar in it? You may need to get some cranberry that doesn't contain sugar- capsuls, cran. concentrate (100% juice), etc. She can have up to 1000 mg of cran./hr (14 yo), or 500 mg/hr (5 yo). Good Luck!
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: jjswan September 20, 2006, 03:20:07 AM
Okay--yesterday I felt a little "off", but couldn't quite place my finger on what was wrong.  Well this morning I woke up and I'm fairly certain I have a bladder infection.

I have had a bladder infection 3 times before....and it feel like I did then, that's why I'm pretty sure of what it is.

Before I've always gone to the Dr. and gotten anti-biotics.  This time I'm trying not go to the Dr., but I can't take it for very long....so I"m tempted to just go in and get some anti-biotics.

What can I take to get rid of the infection?  I took some garlic.....will that help?  HOw much would I need to take?  I know cranberry juice is good for you but I don't have any of that around.

ETA:  I'm nursing a 3 mo. old too....if that pertains to anything....

Thanks for ANY help!!
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: merryheart September 20, 2006, 04:48:41 AM
I've had several bladder infections in the past, and they are not fun!  The first time I had one, I thought I would just tough it out.  It went on for at least a week, when I finally called the doctor.  By the time I got the antibiotics and painkillers, my symptoms had really eased, so I didn't bother taking the full course of the drugs. 
I just had another infection a few months ago, that came on really fast.  I started feeling a little off during church, and by the time we got home I was really miserable.  Felt like I had to urinate constantly, a nasty burning/itching, and was super painful when I did.  I still had the painkiller prescription from before, so I took one of those and it did help a little.  And drank a TON of water.  I had at least 5 quarts in one afternoon.  I added fresh lemon juice to some of it.  Lemon is an alkalinizing food and I've heard that bacterial infections cannot grow in an alkaline environment.  I was pretty uncomfortable all afternoon - between the pain and constant bathroom trips.  But the amazing thing was that by the evening, I was feeling 95% better.  I bought some cranberry juice and had a little in the evening (wow, that stuff is strong!), but really by then I think I was pretty much over it.  I'm sure it was just because I flushed my system with so much water. 
   I'd encourage you to drink as much water as you can handle!  And avoid any foods/drinks that would give that bacteria something to feed on (sugar specifically). 
   Hope that you're feeling better soon!
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: boysmama September 20, 2006, 05:53:27 AM
It might help to clarify things a bit if this is indeed true... I think that some UTI's are bacterial, will culture positive and do improve with antibiotics. :P (maybe) ;) Sugar doesn't seem to affect this kind as much. But... Some UTI's are yeast based, will not culture positive and are worsened by sugar, high sugar fruit juice, and antiboitics.
 I had the latter kind after every dose of antibiotic I ever took. ( I have chronic yeast overgrowth- another topic) The doctor repeatedly ridiculed me for saying that I always got a UTI after antibiotics, say for pnuemonia. He said you mean a vaginal infection? I said NO a UTI, first bladder then kidneys. He said not possible! Have some more antibiotics!!! Finally I thought for myself and thought why not yeast in the bladder if it is possible in the vagina...??? So I found a whatever ,,um natural doctor who said explained it over the phone as above. Pure cranberry juice or extract did seem to help. Does C fight yeast in some way?
 BTW yeast are bacteria, right? And they are NOT bacteria ??? HMMM
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: cntrundy September 20, 2006, 05:57:40 AM
Hi Jaci!

My first bladder infection was treated the typical allopathic medicine way: antibiotics and pain killer (which I was really glad for as the pain was almost unbearable by the time I got to the Dr.) I was out of town, the symtoms hit with vengence in the middle of the night, so in desperation I went to the emergency room!

Second bladder infection:

I used Cranberry concentrate capsules from the health food store. The reason cranberry juice is a problem is because all that sugar feeds the bacteria! You should avoid all sugar for a few days...even "natural" sugars such as honey, maple sugar, etc. 

A sugar substitute you can use is xylitol. It comes in granular form and is a natural fruit alcohol existing in raspberries, plums, etc. It prevents tooth decay by preventing the bacteria from adhereing to the teeth, and some recent research indicates that it may be useful in the same way for bladder infections!!

I use the NOW brand for both the Cranberry Concentrate and xylitol, because it is high quality and cheaper than most others due to the fact that they deal directly with the store therefore eliminating the middle-man.

Oregano leaves are not only anti-bacterial but also anti-fungal. A fungus (often Candida) can also be the cause of a bladder infection, which is why a test for bacteria in a urine specimin at the Dr's can be negative. You can get them it in capsules, in tincture, or grow your own! I like another NOW product called Candida Clear because it has the oregano leaves plus a lot of other anti-fungals.

You can also get Oregano Oil (in enteric coated capsules or liquid) which is very potent and effective. The only problem with it is it can cause burning in the stomach for some.

Of course, TONS of water!

For the pain...You can now get over the counter the same pain med that Dr's prescribe. It is not as potent as the prescription, but very effective. I took 1/3 of the suggested dose  two times (once a day for 2 days), and it gave enough relief so I could function! (called AZO) Remember it takes a while for this to kick in, so give it time to work. You want to take as little as possible since the side-effects as usual are awful!

You also want to address your over-all health, as recurring bladder infections are an indication of a lowered immune system. (I had both of mine during very stressful times in our family!) Extra anti-oxidants like Vit C and immune builders like Echinacea would be good as well.

All symptoms were gone in 2 days, but I contiued the regimen for a week.

Cranberry Capsules are a great supplement to have around "just in case" you start to notice those vague symptoms again. Once you've had a bladder infection, you know the symptoms early on (what a horrible sensation it is!!) So, the sooner you start on a problem, the easier it is to resolve!



Hope this helps!
Cheryl
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: healthybratt September 20, 2006, 09:34:20 AM
My daughter had one a couple of months ago.  I treated her successfully with a couple of boxes of fresh blueberries from the grocery store and some cranberry pills from Walmart. 
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: regnig September 20, 2006, 09:47:23 AM
My dd had a UTI last week. I successfully treated it with high doses of Vit. C, echinacea/astragalus blend to increase her immunity, and Grapefruit Seed Extract (3 drops twice a day in a spoonful of raw honey - GSE tastes horrible alone). After 2 doses of GSE her fever and symptoms were gone.
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: healthybratt September 20, 2006, 10:51:03 AM
My dd had a UTI last week. I successfully treated it with high doses of Vit. C, echinacea/astragalus blend to increase her immunity, and Grapefruit Seed Extract (3 drops twice a day in a spoonful of raw honey - GSE tastes horrible alone). After 2 doses of GSE her fever and symptoms were gone.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention it was Cranberry with extra C.   ;D
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: KeepItSimple September 28, 2006, 04:20:15 PM
Hi Healthybrat...

I, too, suffered horribly with UTIs when I was younger...starting about your daughter's age from what I can remember.  Unfortunately, my mom didn't mind giving us antibiotics to beat the band...so I learned (bad, bad girl) to not let her know my symptoms or that I was having one because those pills were HUGE!  She would crush them up and make me eat them usually with jelly or apple sauce.  Okay, enough unimportant history...onto some help....

1. Have your daughter graduate to taking showers.  (This truly helped me!)  The doctor told Mom I could possibly have a short urethra, thus a shorter path for the dirty bathwater to follow to my bladder.

2.  Use only unscented soap and make sure she rinses well.  Any time, even to this day, that I use a scented soap in that area, I can guarantee an infection will happen.  Some soaps were worse than others...such as Zest.

3.  Never allow her to sit in wet clothing...not just accidents but wet bathing suits, etc.

4.  As for helps, cranberry tabs from the health food store have helped with me.  I also eat yogurt when I feel an infection coming on.  I usually just eat plain, but perhaps you could mix in some fresh cranberries (or frozen) for your dd?  I also drink cranberry tea. 

Note...Don't buy cranberry juice concentrate or cocktail from the store, these are loaded with sugar, and from what I have learned sugar isn't good period really, but especially when an infection is going on.

Okay..these are just some of my thoughts...hope the info helps.

Peace,
Camille
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: mama2three October 01, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
Hi, I am pretty sure I have a bladder infection ... no pain with urination but a very heavy, crampy feeling where my bladder is.  Today is day 4 of this.  Yesterday I realized it was probably a bladder infection rather than cramps (my cycle hasn't started back yet, I am nursing a baby).  I told dh (doctor) that I wanted to treat this without meds if at all possible.  So here I am searching this website for info!  He told me I could go in to his office tomorrow for a urine test to just confirm whether I actually have an infection or not.

Between last night and this morning I drank an entire jug of straight cranberry juice -- no sugar, the juice only.   :o  I don't have any fresh blueberries, only frozen, so I have been mixing them up with some plain yogurt.  Since last night I have probably had just under a pint of blueberries.  I have tried to increase the water. 

No change yet. 

Since I am so very new to natural healing, could someone give me an idea of what to expect in terms of how long it would take to treat/cure a bladder infection, and also what amounts of blueberries/cranberries should I be consuming?  I don't have a fever or pain with urination.  Just some minor itching down there and a LOT of cramps, bloated feeling, and general achiness around my bladder.  This just kind of has me wiped out.  :P


Also, are the blueberries only helpful if they are raw (as opposed to being baked in muffins)?

Would it be helpful to eat dried cranberries?  Or mix some up in a smoothie?  I do have several pkgs of frozen cranberries now that I think of it.

thanks ...
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: mama2three October 01, 2006, 04:03:34 PM
OK I am back again ...  ;D ... We did our grocery shopping tonight at Wild Oats and it seemed half the cart was blueberry this and cranberry that!  My husband suggested "Boo-berry Crunch" cereal.   ::)  Silly him!  I came home with more yogurt, lots of frozen blueberries, and some CranActin capsules.  We also discovered these Odwalla smoothies -- they had one that was loaded with blueberry puree (no sugar, just lots of different fruit) so i downed that on the way home.  I figure all this extra fruit will not hurt, but I will probably pack on a few pounds before this is all over! 8) 

If I were to make a cranberry/blueberry smoothie, I wonder if it would need some honey for sweetening?  Would the cranberries be too tart?  This may be a breakfast experiment tomorrow morning!
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: Simply Kristen October 01, 2006, 04:11:31 PM
Here are some things to prevent UTIs:

Wipe front to back (ALL THE TIME)

Urinate after intimate activities  ;)

Keep Hydrated

Keep ecoli bacteria away from UTI (I have read that certain types of underwear cause this problem)

Wear clothe underwear

HTH!
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: mama2three October 02, 2006, 06:11:54 PM
Well, this is almost a one-sided conversation.  But I am reporting back again anyway ... today I have taken 4 CranActin capsules, drank lemon water, had a cranberry/blueberry smoothie, and blueberry yogurt for lunch and also after dinner.  I have felt bad all day, in fact I felt worse today.  This afternoon I went to my husband's office and had my urine tested.  Well it came back negative -- no UTI or bladder infection!  He told me I should call my ob/gyn and have her examine me.  I called her, gave the nurse all my symptoms.  She said take a pregnancy test  :o and call in the morning.  Meanwhile she will talk with the doctor to see what to do.   Since then, i have felt nearly 100% better!  At times I feel totally well!  So, either the blueberries/cranberries have cured me or whatever I had ran its course on its own or it is just my body trying to get back into a cycle.

How long would it typically take to cure a UTI/bladder infection with natural treatment?  Any general guesses?  I will keep up with the blueberries/cranberries tomorrow and taper off through the week just to be safe.
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: KeepItSimple October 03, 2006, 03:45:47 AM
Hiya..

Glad to hear you are feeling better.  To answer your question, I usually only took Cranberry capsules with lots and lots and lots and lots of water when I feel like I have an infection (or know that I have one  :-\ )  For me, typically, if I catch it in the beginning...fullness, not feeling totally 'empty' after I go, etc...it is usually 1 to 2 days of taking 2 capsules three times a day.  If it gets to the point of burning, passing blood and low-grade fever...then it takes 3 to 4 days of the taking the capsules...again with lots and lots of water.  I've never taken (nor had I ever heard) blueberries for a UTI.

You aren't talking to yourself, btw  ;) 

Blessings,
Camille
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: wardermom October 03, 2006, 04:09:00 AM
It's wonderful that you are feeling better. UTIs are miserable.
A way that I have been able to stand cranberries with no sugar is to make a cranapple drink in the blender. Put some cranberries and apple with water in the blender. The apple helps improve the taste.
I've also taken uva ursi capsules successfully for some UTIs.
It's frustrating when you go to the dr and the test comes back negative when you have been battling a UTI for days. I know about that unfortunately.
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: chopchop October 03, 2006, 07:06:33 AM
Hi, everyone,  I  have struggled terribly with this and unfortunately gallons of water and Cranberry and Vit C just wouldn't cure it for me. 

So, in case there is anyone else out there that has reoccurring problems I thought I would share what has worked for me.

Mine infections seem to hit fast and hard.  The kind of thing that keeps you sitting on the toilet moaning (i am not a screamer or I might be doing that  too >:() Heating pad on my tummy, leaning over pillow......................

Tons of water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kidney Bladder Formula  - Contains:  Uva Ursi, Juniper Berry, Corn Silk, Horsetail, Burdock, Parley, Pippsissewa, & Goldenrood
And The recommended Cranberry and Vit C (I use E-mergen-C packs to get it in fast)
I will take two dropperfuls of the tincture and drink a big glass of water every 15 min until it starts to ease a bit.
I also  make and Kidney/Bladder Herbal Tea - bring water to a boil and simmer for 20 min
Uva Ursi, Hydrangea, Juniper Berries, Gravel root, and Parsley - I have a mix and just use 1/4 c for a quart of tea
Cool and drink 1/2 c every half hour. It is bitter, so you just down it quick.  After the horrible part passes I continue with tinctures every hour, for a bit and then several times a day.  Doing the same thing with the tea. After a nasty spell, I will take a cup of the tea and several dropper fulls of the tincture over the course of the next week until I feel like my kidney/bladder is cleansed and working normally again.  That way it doesn't reoccur right away again.

 BTW.  I am now only having an infection about every 9-12  months instead of once a month.

It is worth a try if you aren't having success with the simpler treatment. Most people respond well to just C and cranberry, wish it worked that way for me too! :(
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: cjanderin October 03, 2006, 09:01:21 AM
My four year old daughter has just gotten over a UTI.  I didn't go to the doctor to check for certain but every time she sat on the toilet she would be screaming and sobbing.  I just wanted to say thanks for all the great advice on this thread - I did a search on UTI after the first day and when she woke up the next day, i told her that we were going to drink cranberry juice (had already bought some the day before I found out that it's better in capsules or fresh etc) and loads of water all day PLUS she was going to eat blueberries and garlic and she could choose what she had in the morning and what she had in the afternoon ... this was a BIG choice for her because she hates both.  We had tears!! ofver the blueberries in her breakfast (which i was not at all sympathetic about because I love blueberries and I know how much they cost whereas to her they are 'yucky'!!)
Anyway, the combination of all the extra water, cranberry juice and blueberries did the trick because by late afternoon she was fine.  Didn't expect it to work so fast and SO pleased for it to be such a simple solution.

Question: A friend of mine said that UTI's are not very common in children but that if you get it once you are probably going to have recurring problems througout your lifetime with them.  Is this true?? 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: chopchop October 03, 2006, 10:05:21 AM
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Question: A friend of mine said that UTI's are not very common in children but that if you get it once you are probably going to have recurring problems througout your lifetime with them.  Is this true??[/color]


From what I understand, this is correct, if you have had a series of bladder infections you are prone to more.  Although, you can work at building up the immune system and the overall health of your kidney and bladder and it will GREATLY reduce the frequency and intensity of the struggle.  I, myself have been able "to get ahead" of this and usually am only hit when my immune system is down (i.e. over-tired, over-stressed, or coming out of another illness)
I didn't mention in my other post but I often add Immune Awake or the equivalent when I am treating a nasty case for myself, along with everything else.  Any immune help and healthy bacteria is what you need to work at.
Pro-biotics/Acidophilus are great for helping with this, too!  And easy for kids to take.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: KeepItSimple October 03, 2006, 10:39:19 AM
Question: A friend of mine said that UTI's are not very common in children but that if you get it once you are probably going to have recurring problems througout your lifetime with them.  Is this true?? 


Hi...

I can't remember the first time I had a UTI, but I was very young.  I got them consistently and then when I was about 6 or 7 years, the doctor told my mom no more baths for me.  Sometimes Mom would let me sit in 'clean' water then shower afterwards.  The UTIs continued on through my teen years, but not as frequently.  By my early 20s if I had one a year, that was a lot....compared to 8 to 10 a year (sometimes more) when I was younger.    Rarely do I get one now (knocking on 40s door....think it'll answer??).  The only trigger now it seems is not going to the bathroom when I have to go (holding it for too many days in a row) and after intimate relations if I'm not careful to go before and after.  Oddly enough, I never had one through any of my pregnancies. 

That's been my experience.  Glad to hear your daughter is doing better!!!

Blessings,
Camille
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cjanderin October 03, 2006, 10:47:59 AM
Thanks  :D
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt October 04, 2006, 12:34:03 PM
The only trigger now it seems is not going to the bathroom when I have to go (holding it for too many days in a row)


:o :o :o WOW  :o :o :o

That's some awesome bladder control you got there.  ;)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: KeepItSimple October 04, 2006, 08:15:45 PM
:o :o :o WOW  :o :o :o
That's some awesome bladder control you got there.  ;)

ROFL!   ;D
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: bethj October 06, 2006, 06:56:32 PM
Also to prevent UTIs, I've heard:

Don't use fabric softener

Wash underwear in warm water and in a gentle baby detergent or something like Ivory Snow
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio October 12, 2006, 03:24:26 PM
Okay, before I give you my long diagnosis, my main question is:  Why am I still having kidney pain?

I have had about three UTI in the past year.  This past year I have woke up in the morning with kidney pain all to have it disappear when I urinate upon rising.  I had treated all the past with cranberry juice and blueberries with no problems.  Then, two weeks previous to my "near death" :D I noticed that whenever I drank anything other than water, my kidneys hurt within 10 min. or so.
Well, last week I had such awful pain in my abdomen and my kidneys that I almost fainted.  I got sweaty and almost vomited.  I thought it was a kidney stone or something, so I made an appointment to my doctor.  Within the time of making the appointment I continued to take the cranberry juice, water, lemon-water, dandelion tea, and eat blueberries.
The doctor did a urine test and ruled out any stones and said I probably have a severe bladder infection and it is now reaching my kidneys.  He does not support antibiotics very much, but said in my case he would need to recommend it, for he feels it has been going on too long.  So, don't hate me everyone, but I am taking an antibiotic!!  :o  I haven't been on one for over 15 years!!
Anyways, back to my original question.  I have been on the medicine for over a week and my bladder pain is gone, but I still have severe kidney pain.  What could the possibilities be?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: chopchop October 12, 2006, 03:45:11 PM
You might want to scroll up and read my other posts on this thread.  I know what you mean by "near death"  It is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'(   >:(
Sounds like you need to do some major UT/Kidney Support.  I listed a tea and tincture,  You should go ahead and start doing that even if you aren't having any symptoms at the moment.  Plus anything like "Immune Awake" and/or Olive Leaf to help your immune system fight this beast.
  I hate to promise you this, but it will come back to haunt you again, probably soon.   >:(
Remember, that for some of us, (like me) to much Cranberry/Lemon etc.  Can mess up your ph and actually increase your problems.  Doesn't for most people but it can.
My sympathy is most truly with you!!!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio October 12, 2006, 03:55:01 PM
Thanks for your help!!  I actually have a tea called:  Cran-Aid that is almost similar to the tincture that you mentioned.  It has uva ursi and marshmallow and cranberry, etc. in it.
I know that I am allergic to cranberries, lemons, and all citrus fruits, so I am wondering if I am having a hard time ridding myself of this because of the allergies.  I am just concerned that I have done damage to my kidneys, or something.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom October 12, 2006, 07:16:11 PM

Hi Healthy in Ohio,

I had a friend who went through something similar and instead of the antibiotics this is what she did:

Onion Puree Soup

Ingredients:
2 leeks, chopped
2 bunches of scallions, chopped
4 brown/yellow onions, chopped
2 purple onions or bunch of shallots or white onions if no purple onions, chopped
1/2 cup organic butter (one stick)
water

Use a pot large enough for all the chopped onions/leeks/scallions. Melt the stick of butter and add all the chopped onions/leeks/scallions. Saute until the onions start to look translucent. Then add water (I used bottled spring water) to cover all the onions. Bring to a boil, then reduce the heat to simmer for about 20 minutes. Remove from flame and let cool for a few minutes, then blend it all up in a blender until it’s creamy. Salt to taste. (I used sundried sea salt for added minerals. Celtic is a good brand. Don’t skimp on the salt, there are a good mix of minerals in natural sea salt).

I generally took a bowl or large cup of onion soup every hour throughout the day, and continued it twice a day for another 2 weeks for good measure even though I no longer had symptoms. I ate it either hot or cold. Didn’t seem to matter."


She had been having a terrible time with UTI's.  Everytime she went off antibiotics it came back and ended up hurting her kidneys.  You could try the soup for a few weeks and see if it helps your kidneys also.  I know she hasn't had trouble since she did this.  Kidney infections are hard to kick if they've been around (even a little bit) for awhile. 

I know most people recommend cranberry for UTI's but I actually think the onions and garlic are better.  They are antiviral/antibiotic whereas the cranberry and blueberries are more immune system builders. 

Hope this helps...

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio October 13, 2006, 03:01:38 AM
Thanks, Patti for the recipe.  Good thing that I enjoy onions.  That stew sounds good enough to eat even when I am not sick.
What about an onion poultice as well?  I could cook some to eat and grate some to wear.  I will be a walking onion factory.   ;)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: chopchop October 13, 2006, 06:54:27 AM
Here is a file that might be of interest to you, on this issue. 
It is notes from the kidney/bladder portion of my mom's basic health seminar.  The first page or two are very basic,  read the last page and a half for more indepth treatment of kidney related issues. 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: K.Sarah January 09, 2007, 03:54:04 PM
Hi, I'm here to see if any of you ladies have some wisdom for a friend of mine.  She has already browsed and searched here while at my home a week ago, but no answers for her current situation.

She's a couple of months pregnant with her second baby right now, and has had some really bad urinary tract infections.  She had 2 in a row in May/June, and is now working on her 3rd since the beginning of December.  She also has had an ear infection in the meantime.  Her doctor is about to order a 4th round of antibiotics for her (4 rounds within 2 months, I think), and thinks nothing of it, evidently.  (AACK!  These used to be MY doctors!)  Anyway, she is really really bummed and doesn't know what to do beyond the basic advice of cranberry juice, urinating before and after, etc.  She doesn't want to do anymore antibiotics, but is in some real pain from all these infections.  Plus, she doesn't know what she can and can't do during pregnancy.

I looked up all I could for her with my limited home resources, and I'm thinking probably some immune boosting stuff is a good start, but didn't know if anyone else had suggestions?  Thanks!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: herbalmom January 09, 2007, 04:04:11 PM
Look at this thread: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2367.0.html).

 HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

P.S. Thanks HB for puting the link in for me, ;D one of these days I will figure out how to do it myself. ::) ~herbalmom
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt January 09, 2007, 04:33:04 PM
Look at the UTI thread for immediate relief, but I would strongly suggest treating for yeast and/or parasites and possibly even leaky gut eventually.  It sounds like she's a prime candidate for all three of these problems especially with all the rounds of antibiotics. 

IMO, at this point, her system is probably so overwrought with anitibiotics, if they help take the infection away, they probably couldn't do anymore damage than they've already done, but as soon as she's done with antibiotics, I would recommend she start a probiotic immediately and follow up with an anti-yeast regimin.

Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: babymakers January 09, 2007, 04:56:54 PM
I just skimmed this but I don't think anybody mentioned the herb called Marshmallow. It is AKA as Althea. It works well. I recommend it as a preventative. There are women who have taken this herb as a preventative and never gotten a bladder infection/ UTI again. It is also safe for children.

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: chadzgift January 09, 2007, 07:10:46 PM
I had chronic UTIs with baby number 2 (started before pregnancy) and what finally seemed to corral them was 8-10 oz. daily cranberry juice (blueberry juice is supposed to be good too now they've discovered), LOTS of water (keep that urine moving!), very little sugar and forcing even just a little pee out EVERY time afterwards.
Diaphragms are bad bad bad too just as an aside.
I had only one or 2 more MAYBE and they stopped postpartum. I would now do VitC and garlic immediately and probably echinacea along with tylenol if necessary before going to anitbiotics but I knew nothing about herbs 20 yrs ago. :)
VitC 1000mg every 2 hrs till you get bowel intolerance or feel nauseated. I can take, easy, 8000mg and not feel sick if I'm sick to begin with. Remember LOTS of water too!
Garlic I take Kylo something or other (braindead here right at the moment, famous namebrand) and take 2 caps every 2 hrs also. Nausea will start when you've had too much. Probably I take 8 a day or so before my stomach says uh uh. Take with even a little food or don't take it. I can't just eat garlic as when I'm sick I'm SICK and not able to do stuff like that. :) My friend eats raw chopped garlic on buttered bread, like 20 cloves a day when ill. I can't do that either...
Echinacea I take in tincture and take a dropperful every 2 hrs. No limit here that I've found. Take up to a week at a time. Once your symtpoms aren't acute cut back to about 4 times a day.
Herbs work better without food so take these things above alternately.
UTIs are incredibly painful! Now I know within hours by the slightest symptoms if I have one. I haven't had one in yrs. Once I was told I had a UTI b/c my white bld cells were raised in my urine and I said, Nope!  "Oh you just can't tell yet" I was told.
Guess what? I didn't!
helene
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom January 09, 2007, 08:48:53 PM

Somewhere on this board I posted a specific onion soup recipe for UTI's.  Drink 1 mug every hour for a couple of days.  They will be gone, never to return.  Do a search for "onion soup" and see what pops up.

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: K.Sarah January 10, 2007, 02:34:05 AM
THANKS!  I AM SENDING ALL THIS GOOD STUFF TO HER NOW.  I SURE HOPE IT HELPS!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: calina January 10, 2007, 02:59:46 AM
Kristen,
I had the same problem several months before I became pregnant with my third daughter.  I agree it is probably yeast related.  After she delivers she might want to have some food alllergy testing done or elimination dieting.  Also, she might want to tell her OB/GYN that she has been on antibiotics while pregnant.  The baby may also have a yeast problem and need to be treated with probiotics or an antifungal. 
Calina
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt January 10, 2007, 06:10:42 AM
I just skimmed this but I don't think anybody mentioned the herb called Marshmallow. It is AKA as Althea. It works well. I recommend it as a preventative. There are women who have taken this herb as a preventative and never gotten a bladder infection/ UTI again. It is also safe for children.


Is it just me, or does anyone else just get the urge to fire up the BBQ everytime this herb is mentioned.  LOL   ;D
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio January 10, 2007, 07:16:04 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else just get the urge to fire up the BBQ everytime this herb is mentioned.  LOL   ;D

Yah, really!  Unfortunately, the herb does not taste even remotely close to a "real" marshmallow!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: bzymom January 11, 2007, 03:39:56 PM
My daughter got a UTI at 14mo.  We ended up in the hospital for 5 days after her temp got up to 108. (I know that doesn't seem believable, the nurse thought her thermometer was broken)  Now she is 4 1/2 and hasn't had one since.  She drank kefir for "milk" when she was done nursing, so I think that really helped restore her flora and ph, and also helped maintain her health.  When I hear of children getting UTIs I just get a little nervous remembering what we went through.
In adults it's a totally different story.  The skin of blueberries I thought I read is actually better at fighting a bladder infection than cranberries.  The way they work is they make it hard for the infection to attach to the walls of the bladder, allowing extra fluids and such to flush out the infection.  Corn silk, parsley and uva ursa are the "drugs" of choice as far as herbs go.  I just love love LOVE being able to get all these new ideas from people who've been there, done that.  What a great resource!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: babymakers January 11, 2007, 04:40:23 PM
  Corn silk
I have heard that too. If your child is weak in that area and also wets the bed then corn silk is suppose to be really helpful.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt January 11, 2007, 06:49:06 PM
My daughter got a UTI at 14mo.  We ended up in the hospital for 5 days after her temp got up to 108. (I know that doesn't seem believable, the nurse thought her thermometer was broken) 
I believe it.  Mine got one around that age also with a temp around 105. 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BJ_BOBBI_JO January 11, 2007, 07:22:15 PM
Im not sure if this was already mentioned but sometimes drinking  cranberry juice is not the best because of its high carbohydrate count and as most know carbs  are turned into sugar once in our body. And sugar is well known for making infections worse. BUT cranberry PILLS are great for UTIs.

 I get UTIs all the time ( like 1-3 a year) But I have not had as many in the past year because I have been taking some herbal suppliments for the bladder by Natures Sunshine
.

These are some of the things that help me not get UTIs or help me get over them faster:

-cranberry pills
-eating dendelions( fried, in salads  or in whatever way, they are good for the urinary system)
-Natures Sunshine
-not eating to much dairy of any kind or grains because it causes troubles in my body and from what I have read it causes troubles in many others bodies also like sinus troubles , clogged or juicy ears, digestive( mainly diarreah or soft poop and other troubles)   I have noticed if I injest to much dairy or grain foods I will get UTI like feelings without actualy having the UTI( peeing a tiny amount a lot, etc)
 and thats why I have gotten a lot of false results for the UTI pee test.


I did not know blueberries helped until reading this thread so I will try to keep them on hand as well.

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: K.Sarah January 12, 2007, 01:49:20 AM
My daughter got a UTI at 14mo.  We ended up in the hospital for 5 days after her temp got up to 108. (I know that doesn't seem believable, the nurse thought her thermometer was broken) 
I believe it.  Mine got one around that age also with a temp around 105. 

Oh, mine had one even younger.  She was 9 mos. old when she got a bad fever (though not as high as yours!) and we took her in to find out she had a UTI.  The interesting thing is that after she had the antibiotics, she was a completely different child.  I am convinced she had had this for months, because she'd been a very difficult baby, crying all the time and looking generally unhappy.  No one enjoyed being around her, poor thing.  And I had no idea, because there were no other signs that I recognized.  I just chalked it up to having a fussy baby.  I used to pray and pray that she would end up being a more pleasant person than she was a baby!  Anyway, after the UTI was treated, she immediately became this happy, sunny little person.  She's 5 now, and a delight to the family!  I wish I had had a way of knowing earlier, or at least having some sort of clue that she really had something physically wrong. 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jbug January 14, 2007, 10:32:49 PM
HI,
Lots of good tips noted here, thanks!  Here's mine.   I have suffered w/uti's; kidney infections requiring hospitalization and stones since 6 (at earliest documentation-I'm adopted, so don't know any earlier).  I even had a blocked kidney during pregnancy w/emergency stent placement.  Needles to say, I have scarring on my kidnies and physical changes to their shape and size.  My history since marriage was uti's at least twice yearly no matter what.  That all stopped in october last year.  Here's my hopefully short version.  During my last 3 uti's the symptoms hit so fast and furious that within 2 hours of the FIRST symtom, I couldn't hardly walk.  Then I developed serious allergies to the 2 antibiotics they tried and the 3rd didn't work.  So, thanks to bulkherbstore.com and no greater joy.com and folk medicine by dc jarvis  I had become familiar w/herbs.  I took 1 tsp of raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar with the mother (braggs brand) every 15 minutes, 1 cayenne pepper capsule every hour and 1 garlic capsule 3 times daily (I stuff my own capsules).  I did this for 3-5 days even though most symptoms were gone w/in 24 hours.  I have felt a uti developing (ya never forget that feeling!!!). and as soon as I feel anything I pop a cayenne and garlic pill, just once and that's that.  I am sold on the garlic and cayenne.  I have never gone this long w/out a uti and it is WONDERFUL!!!! (I am now 30).  And, I don't do any maintenance as far as vit c, cranberry or blueberry.  I do drink 1 tsp of apple cider vinegar (acv) and 1 tsp of honey mixed in 8 oz of water at least 3 times every day.  (folk medicine is my inspiration for this.  D.C. Jarvis is the author and you can get this book CHEAP off amazon.com and many lilbraries carry it.)  So that has improved my overall health.
 As for young children, my 4 year old son swallows the cayenne and pepper pills (coated w/a bit of butter for lubrication) with out any problems.  (He takes his for asthma and colds...no problems there anymore either...after his first 3 years being full of recurrent illness...but that's for another time).  So, whenever any of us are ill we reach for garlic and cayenne.
 As for the kidney pain w/certain foods and/or drinks...I still get that.  I figure I really shouldn't be drinking that coffee anyway.  Sometimes I get that pain first thing in the morning before I've emptied my bladder....that pain like a kidney stone that goes away  after emptying the bladder.  I'll keep reading for tips on that, I just figured it was a by product of damage to the ole filters.  I do notice this pain comes when 1. I dont' drink enough water  2. I eat/drink stuff I shouldn't be anyway (stupid non food...i.e those cappacinos or too much chocolate)
Hope this helps.
Oh yeah, I am a registered nurse and nothing in the medical profession has helped me long term as far as uti's, asthma or recurrent illnesses go :(
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: hrseshoes January 15, 2007, 08:11:02 AM
My daughter is 3 and has a low grade VUR reflux condition with her bladder and kidneys, basically her urine backs up into her kidneys.  She has not had any problems with it until now.  Possibly because of potty training??? She is having cronic bladder infections, 4 in just a few weeks, even on antibiotics!  I need help!!  I have been giving her lots of no sugar cranberry juice, about 500mg of vit C and her normal vitamins.  I am also struggling with keeping her regular she is having very hard stools and I am having to give her tons of prune juice and flax oil to keep her going daily.  I have been giving her tummy tuneup, about 1 capsule a day but it seems to be making her stool even harder??? I am really struggling with how to give her probiotics while on antibiotics, how much and when?  I also dont know how to get these infections under control and get her off antibiotics.  I am willing to try anything for her at this point.  I know she is in need of an anti-yeast treatment but dont have a clue as to what to do and how.  I am praying for some suggestions if anyone has any for me.  THANK YOU!!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt January 15, 2007, 01:17:27 PM
My daughter is 3 and has a low grade VUR reflux condition with her bladder and kidneys, basically her urine backs up into her kidneys.  ...I know she is in need of an anti-yeast treatment but dont have a clue as to what to do and how.  I am praying for some suggestions if anyone has any for me.  THANK YOU!!

I wouldn't give probiotics while on antibiotics.  Probiotics can actually render the antibiotics ineffective.  I would finish the antibiotics, follow some of the suggestions listed earlier in the thread (blueberries come highly recommended).  Then when the antibiotics are finished, give probiotics in abundance.

I would consider treating for yeast once symptoms have become managable.

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: zmama January 15, 2007, 05:14:37 PM
My daughter is 3 and has a low grade VUR reflux condition with her bladder and kidneys, basically her urine backs up into her kidneys.  She has not had any problems with it until now.  Possibly because of potty training??? She is having cronic bladder infections, 4 in just a few weeks, even on antibiotics!...I am also struggling with keeping her regular she is having very hard stools and I am having to give her tons of prune juice and flax oil to keep her going daily...I also dont know how to get these infections under control and get her off antibiotics.  I am willing to try anything for her at this point.

My daughter is 6 1/2 and has had a low grade (between 2 & 3) reflux condition for over three years now.  She has been on maintenance antibiotics the entire time with no breakthrough UTI's.  Her pediatrician and urologist cautioned us that if the antibiotics did not prevent UTI's, then corrective surgery might be in order.  I was told that would be necessary to prevent scarring of the kidneys and other issues.  You didn't mention how long she's had this or if your daughter's doctor has any opinion on this?  Based on what we've been told, even one UTI in a few weeks is enough to warrant a call or visit to the doctor with that diagnosis.  The four that your daughter has had in that amount of time seems excessive--poor thing! My daughter also has very hard stools, even though she drinks lots of water as required by the type of meds she's taking.  I have found that giving her just one apple a day helps them return to normal within a few days.  Cantaloupe is also good, when in season.  Seems so simplistic but it works for her!  You mentioned you give her "normal vitamins" in addition to vitamin C so I wondered if they have iron in them which might be adding to the hard stools?  Hope some of this helps!  Would love to hear the outcome.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: hrseshoes January 15, 2007, 10:11:30 PM
Thank you for the suggestions!! She was diagnosed with the reflux at 3 months old and has been given ultrasounds and a VCUG test yearly.  She has only had one infection at 3 months old until now, 3 years later.  She has not been on the daily antibiotics until a few weeks ago.  We agreed to treatment infections if and when they occured prior to these few in a row.  She is now on daily antibiotics of course but still having break through infections.  I have increased her vitamin C and cranberry intake as well as giving her blueberries and she seems to be doing alot better.  Her doctors and I are going to try to focus on getting her bowels stable which will hopefully stop the infections.  That is the plan so far.  I would love more input if anyone has any.  I really dont like giving her daily antibiotics or a daily stool softener, I would much rather find a dietary/herbal solution to all of this.  Thank you again for any input.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: bzymom January 16, 2007, 05:55:19 AM
From what I remember when my daughter was in the hospital the Dr's. were telling me that once the infection reaches the kidneys, which are like sponges, it may take awhile to drain it all out.  Maybe thats why she seems to be getting break through infections?
I know how frustrating it is!  It sounds like you're doing everything right!  Keep up the good fight!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BJ_BOBBI_JO January 23, 2007, 08:25:47 PM
The weekend before this past weekend I suddenly with no warning come down with another bladder infection. I had just read this thread on bladder infections.

It was a Sunday morning:

9:30am- I was sitting in Sunday school class and suddenly felt irriation at the uretha.

10:30am- Church service was getting ready to start, BY this point I was miserable and was almost certain it was a UTI. I told hubby I was unable to sit threw church. The infection was growing fast and I was mirserable, in pain, doubling over and the bladder and uretha was killing me. I wanted to live on the potty. They always come on me with no warning like that.

11:00am- I walked into the hopsital and said I have a UTI and need to pee in a cup so they can hurry up and give me the relief pills called pyridum. They know me and my constant UTIs and knew I was serious.

11:30am- They said yep you have another UTI and gave me my prescriptions and I left. But before I left they said its not showing up very clear  on the test so we can only give you 3 days of anti-UTI-biotics, call your doc on tuesday to go in and pee in the cup again to see if you need more pills. I have a history of my UTIs not showing up on the pee test unless they grow a culture then it shows up. But I know my body and they know that and trust me.

I went home and remembered this thread about eating blueberries. I already knew about the cranberries. I had some froozen blueberries, i ate them and some cranberries as well for several days. On Tuesday after I ran out of the antibiotics I did not go into the doc as ask for more like the hospital said I should. The infection never came back and stayed away I feel because of the blueberries and cranberries. So thankyou for this thread!  ;D

Those relief UTI pills are miracle workers for me. In the begining the natural stuff did not take the pain and discomfort away but after a few days when the pills killed off the worst of the infection the natural stuff started working. It was nice not having to go and get more pills, I try to limit taking pills because its harsh on ones liver and kidneys.

 There was no way I was going to go all natural and not take  the pyridum. UTIs can feel differant each time, some are not so bad , some are dibilitating and I get the dibilitating ones.  :'(

BUT I just wanted to say THANKYOU!  :)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mom2csj February 21, 2007, 02:57:34 PM
My mom has been having a problem with uti's (not bladder infections) the infection is in the urinary tract (between bladder and the exit).  She uses cranberry pills, juice, etc. but still has that urge to go all the time and has been on one anti-biotic after the next :(  A friend told her she used to have the same problem and her chiropractor is selling her an herbal concoction called EPA and she's taking current seed oil.  My mom doesn't want to have to go to the chiro. but would love this stuff as her friend says it really works and has been a lifesaver (she can actually sit through a whole movie now).  Does anyone know anything about this stuff, or uti's in general and if there is anything else she can take instead?  She has been to 2 urologists and they just put her on the antibiotic.  I guess the problem is related to the bladder wall collapsing (common later in life after childbirth....weak muscles...she didn't do enough kegals.  She really needs relief :-[
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cowboyswife February 22, 2007, 07:17:07 AM
I've just read thro' most of this thread and I'm really wondering if this is my problem. For about 2 plus months, when I have midwife visits, the urine test shows that I have an infection of some kind, kidney/UTI/bladder. I am 7 months pregnant and I ache alot in my pelvic area. I have no burning just aching. I also ache in my back, which may just be normal back pain from the position of the baby. I'm tired so much even tho' I take Supermom daily. I've been doing the blueberry/cranberry thing pretty regularly, and it has kept it down but not cleared it up.

I really don't want to do antibiotics, because I also strugle with yeast infections when I am pg, altho' this time has been better than the others. Does it sound like I have a different problem?
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: prairiechild February 22, 2007, 09:00:49 AM
Thank you for the suggestions!! She was diagnosed with the reflux at 3 months old and has been given ultrasounds and a VCUG test yearly.  She has only had one infection at 3 months old until now, 3 years later.  She has not been on the daily antibiotics until a few weeks ago.  We agreed to treatment infections if and when they occured prior to these few in a row.  She is now on daily antibiotics of course but still having break through infections.  I have increased her vitamin C and cranberry intake as well as giving her blueberries and she seems to be doing alot better.  Her doctors and I are going to try to focus on getting her bowels stable which will hopefully stop the infections.  That is the plan so far.  I would love more input if anyone has any.  I really dont like giving her daily antibiotics or a daily stool softener, I would much rather find a dietary/herbal solution to all of this.  Thank you again for any input.

I have a dear friend with this same condition. I don't mean to scare you with this story but just be aware... She is 34 and is in end stage renal failure. She is on dialysis every night and trying to get on a kidney transplant list. She has had so many kidney infections that her kidneys are literally destroyed.

She told me that if she would have had surgery as a child, all of this could have been prevented. I don't know if that is correct info or not but I'm sure you could find out from your Doctor.  I would think that correcting the problem surgically would be much better than being on long term antibiotics or having serious long term complications.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: DebAnn March 07, 2007, 05:15:15 PM
My dd had a UTI last week. I successfully treated it with high doses of Vit. C, echinacea/astragalus blend to increase her immunity, and Grapefruit Seed Extract (3 drops twice a day in a spoonful of raw honey - GSE tastes horrible alone). After 2 doses of GSE her fever and symptoms were gone.
I have just read this thread because my mom is on her third UTI in 8 months.  I have a question, is grapefruit seed extract the same as grape seed extract?  I have grape seed extract in capsules (100mg) is this the same as what you take in drops?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jaemom March 07, 2007, 05:29:54 PM
My dd (6 yo) has had UTI's and a kidney infection in the past.  She has been having problems going to the bathroom lately (#2) and I've been thinking it was a training issue.  (We've had potty training issues from the very start of training.)  Now, I'm not so sure.  After reading the previous posts about the hard stools, this sounds almost like what we are going through.  I started giving her apple juice, applesauce, apples, and other high fiber foods to help her go to the bathroom easier.  I've asked all kinds of questions about her bowel movements, but she won't give me a clue why she keeps having "accidents" of #2.  The problem has gotten better since I've been giving her the apple foods.  Is it possible she could have a UTI again without fever or any other symptoms?  I have cranberry juice and blueberries and GSE that I can start giving her.  The stool problem has had me concerned though.  Can this be a sign of infection?  She doesn't have #1 "accidents", just #2. 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: herbalmom March 07, 2007, 07:50:07 PM
My dd had a UTI last week. I successfully treated it with high doses of Vit. C, echinacea/astragalus blend to increase her immunity, and Grapefruit Seed Extract (3 drops twice a day in a spoonful of raw honey - GSE tastes horrible alone). After 2 doses of GSE her fever and symptoms were gone.
I have just read this thread because my mom is on her third UTI in 8 months.  I have a question, is grapefruit seed extract the same as grape seed extract?  I have grape seed extract in capsules (100mg) is this the same as what you take in drops?

Read the label carefully. Grape Seed  Extract is from grapes- Grapefruit Seed Extract is from grapefruit. They are NOT the same thing. Grape Seed Extract is used for it's antioxidant properties, Grapefruit Seed Extract is a potent antimicrobial. You can get Grapefruit Seed Extract in pills but most likely what you have is Grape Seed Extract. Nutribiotic is the brand of Grapefruit Seed Extact (GSE) most common in Health Food Stores. 2 oz runs about $8 but since you use it by the drop, it lasts a long time & is inexpensive to use. Click on this to find out more about NutriBiotics GSE products:

NutriBiotic GSE  (http://store.nutribiotic.com/pgi-customlistproducts?Grapefruit%20Seed%20Extract,2,158,=,gsegrp)

And here for GSE usage info:

Ways to Use GSE   (http://www.nutribiotic.com/GSELiquid.htm) 

Beeyoutiful also carries GSE that is twice as strong as NutriBiotic's. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jaemom March 08, 2007, 06:09:31 AM
My dd (6 yo) has had UTI's and a kidney infection in the past.  She has been having problems going to the bathroom lately (#2) and I've been thinking it was a training issue.  (We've had potty training issues from the very start of training.)  Now, I'm not so sure.  After reading the previous posts about the hard stools, this sounds almost like what we are going through.  I started giving her apple juice, applesauce, apples, and other high fiber foods to help her go to the bathroom easier.  I've asked all kinds of questions about her bowel movements, but she won't give me a clue why she keeps having "accidents" of #2.  The problem has gotten better since I've been giving her the apple foods.  Is it possible she could have a UTI again without fever or any other symptoms?  I have cranberry juice and blueberries and GSE that I can start giving her.  The stool problem has had me concerned though.  Can this be a sign of infection?  She doesn't have #1 "accidents", just #2. 

Could this be a health issue or training?  Any ideas?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Kati*did March 08, 2007, 06:25:14 AM
My dd (6 yo) has had UTI's and a kidney infection in the past.  She has been having problems going to the bathroom lately (#2) and I've been thinking it was a training issue.  (We've had potty training issues from the very start of training.)  Now, I'm not so sure.  After reading the previous posts about the hard stools, this sounds almost like what we are going through.  I started giving her apple juice, applesauce, apples, and other high fiber foods to help her go to the bathroom easier.  I've asked all kinds of questions about her bowel movements, but she won't give me a clue why she keeps having "accidents" of #2.  The problem has gotten better since I've been giving her the apple foods.  Is it possible she could have a UTI again without fever or any other symptoms?  I have cranberry juice and blueberries and GSE that I can start giving her.  The stool problem has had me concerned though.  Can this be a sign of infection?  She doesn't have #1 "accidents", just #2. 

Could this be a health issue or training?  Any ideas?

Hi Jaemom...I really don't know the answer, but it sounds like it could be encopresis.  There's a thread about it here:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2948.0.html

HTH
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jaemom March 08, 2007, 07:47:58 AM

Hi Jaemom...I really don't know the answer, but it sounds like it could be encopresis.  There's a thread about it here:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2948.0.html

HTH


TY! TY! TY!  I had come across this thread and was curious because she's had UTI's before, but then the stool issue came up and I thought maybe that had something to do with it.  The other thread describes her to a tee.  Thank you so much.  :-*
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: Kati*did March 08, 2007, 05:41:28 PM
: jaemom link=topic=2367.msg62399#msg62399
TY! TY! TY!  I had come across this thread and was curious because she's had UTI's before, but then the stool issue came up and I thought maybe that had something to do with it.  The other thread describes her to a tee.  Thank you so much.  :-*

So glad that helped!   :)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: 4myhoonie March 08, 2007, 05:50:44 PM
hi all, i am wondering if you could help me?  my sister is 7 mo. pregnant and today her baby dr. told her she had bacteria in her urine, and gave her antibiotics.  she is having no pain or frequent urination, other than what's normal in pregnancy.  she has been drinking organic 100% cranberry juice daily, just cuz she likes it.  so what accounts for the bacteria?  i told her to get some good probiotics, a good garlic supplement and continue with the cranberry juice.  anything else?  she didn't pick up the prescription and thought it was rather silly since she had no problems.  i am not really familiar with these infections, as i haven't had one in a long time and years ago when i had them they were very painful and i took lots of antibiotics cuz i didn't know any better.   :-[  so glad i know now!   ;D 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Mrs. JDT March 08, 2007, 07:58:43 PM
The bacteria the doc is reffereing to might be Group B Strep. Was she prescribed Macrobid? ANyway, this happened to me on my first urinalyisis when I was like 4 weeks pregnant. Basically the urine sample shows a higher than average amount of bacteria, so they have the urine cultured to see what bacteria it is, and in my case, it was group b strep. eventhough I was not having symptoms of an infection, they give me the abx to make sure that it wouldn't turn into one. anyway, i think she would be fine to stay on the natural route if she is not having symptoms, i wish I had. the cranberry (unsweetened) and LOTS of water (Water Cure) should be fine, IMO. cranberry pills can work well also. Did her doc mention anything about her having to have an IV of antibiotics during labor? Usually when an MD finds Strep B in the urine, the woman is considered "colonized" and the standard hospital procedure is to give an IV of antibiotics. anyway, sorry if this doesn't make sense, it's late.  :)HTH
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: 4myhoonie March 09, 2007, 02:33:23 AM
thank you, i will find out!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: daisey March 25, 2007, 11:19:44 AM
Hi friends~~I have a friend whose 3 year old probably has bladder infection.   Other than the obvious, lots of water, cranberry juice is there anything you can suggest so she doesn't have to go the DR. route?   Is there any kind of sitz bath that would help?
Thanks in advance.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Kansas Girl April 02, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
Here are some things to prevent UTIs:

Wipe front to back (ALL THE TIME)

Urinate after intimate activities  ;)

Keep Hydrated

Keep ecoli bacteria away from UTI (I have read that certain types of underwear cause this problem)

Wear clothe underwear

HTH!

I'm 12 weeks pregnant and the nurse called to tell me that my lab work shows that I have ecoli bacteria and a UTI.  How could I have all that and not know it???  Do I take antibiotics b/c ecoli is involved???  I'm confused.  She said cranberry juice wouldn't work b/c of the ecoli.  Any advice would be appreciated.-KG
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen April 02, 2007, 12:51:08 PM
Here are some things to prevent UTIs:

Wipe front to back (ALL THE TIME)

Urinate after intimate activities  ;)

Keep Hydrated

Keep ecoli bacteria away from UTI (I have read that certain types of underwear cause this problem)

Wear clothe underwear

HTH!

I'm 12 weeks pregnant and the nurse called to tell me that my lab work shows that I have ecoli bacteria and a UTI.  How could I have all that and not know it???  Do I take antibiotics b/c ecoli is involved???  I'm confused.  She said cranberry juice wouldn't work b/c of the ecoli.  Any advice would be appreciated.-KG

Pure cranberry juice WILL help. It may not fix the problem all on it's own (kill the bacteria)... But it WILL help.

I believe e-coli is a common reason for UTIs. It just sounds freaky.
If I were you I would start doing the above list (especially wiping FRONT to BACK) drinking 100% cranberry juice, drinking lots of water, eating raw garlic, and asking here for advice.

What say you WTM ladies?

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt April 04, 2007, 05:13:25 AM
Here are some things to prevent UTIs:

Wipe front to back (ALL THE TIME)

Urinate after intimate activities  ;)

Keep Hydrated

Keep ecoli bacteria away from UTI (I have read that certain types of underwear cause this problem)

Wear clothe underwear

HTH!

I'm 12 weeks pregnant and the nurse called to tell me that my lab work shows that I have ecoli bacteria and a UTI.  How could I have all that and not know it???  Do I take antibiotics b/c ecoli is involved???  I'm confused.  She said cranberry juice wouldn't work b/c of the ecoli.  Any advice would be appreciated.-KG

Pure cranberry juice WILL help. It may not fix the problem all on it's own (kill the bacteria)... But it WILL help.

I believe e-coli is a common reason for UTIs. It just sounds freaky.
If I were you I would start doing the above list (especially wiping FRONT to BACK) drinking 100% cranberry juice, drinking lots of water, eating raw garlic, and asking here for advice.

What say you WTM ladies?


and probiotics.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Kansas Girl April 04, 2007, 05:34:41 AM
I went to Walmart and bought AZO cranberry tablets and took 6 yesterday.  I ate soup with lots of garlic  ;D and today I'll follow HB's suggestion of adding probiotics.  Does this sound okay???  I wasn't sure if I could stomach the pure cranberry juice b/c my tummy is a little sensitive right now with this pregnancy, but I am willing to try if that would be better than the tablets. 
Are we agreed that antibiotics are probably not necessary???  I don't know why I'm so concerned except I've never had a UTI before and I'm pregnant and don't want to do anything to harm the baby.  -KG
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen April 04, 2007, 05:43:13 AM
Antibiotics?
IMO, you can beat it before it turns serious... So, no I wouldn't take them at this point (if it were me).

I have had UTI's that turned into Kidney infections. I took antibiotics then.
Today, I would have done it again. ALTHOUGH..... I wouldn't have let (most likely) the infection go to my kidneys by doing the above mentioned things.

I don't know about cranberry tablets. I'd suck it up and drink the real stuff.
Also, all garlic is good. But, if you want to kill bacteria you need to use FRESH garlic. When it's cooked or after 30-60min of being chopped it looses the majority of the effect. I don't think soup with garlic is going to help much.

I'd keep doing lots of research to understand the Whys of what you are doing. An infection in this area could be serious because you are pregnant.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mommie May 10, 2007, 02:14:55 PM


So I have this weird feeling right as I'm finishing peeing like something is pushing on my bladder and I have to pee again really bad. But I don't. and no more pee comes. BUt no burning while I pee. Also the last month or so I've had a lot of external irritation...but NOT really any burning while peeing or unusual discharge or odd smells. Just irritation and now the odd feeling towards the end of peeing. I just peed on a pee stick (I'm 3 months pregnant and I have high leokocytes and trace amounts of hemoglobin from blood in my urine (according to the stick you can't see any blood) ) I thought the irritation was detergent went back to my old recipe that never bothered me (make it with pure and natural instead of lavender castile) and tried changing tps...any ideas ladies...please help its getting very obnoxious and sometimes I actually get like slight slivers/tear things  from the irratation
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: Simply Kristen May 10, 2007, 02:20:49 PM
and tried changing tps...any ideas ladies...please help its getting very obnoxious and sometimes I actually get like slight slivers/tear things  from the irratation

What is tps?
What is slight sliver/tear things?

Just trying to help.  ;D
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: mommie May 10, 2007, 04:24:05 PM
tps...toilet papers...sliver/tear things...                                                                                                                                                                                                        like a slight sliver down the sides of my crotch like someone sliced me ...not deep...just very slight
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: babymakers May 10, 2007, 04:26:06 PM



So I have this weird feeling right as I'm finishing peeing like something is pushing on my bladder and I have to pee again really bad. But I don't. and no more pee comes. BUt no burning while I pee. Also the last month or so I've had a lot of external irratation...but NOT really any burning while peeing or unusual dishcharge or odd smells. Just irration and now the odd feeling towards the end of peeing. I just peed on a pee stick (I'm 3 months pregnant and I have high leokocytes and trace amounts of hemoglobin from blood in my urine (according to the stick you can't see any blood) ) I thought the irration was detergent went back to my old recipe that never bothered me (make it with pure and natural instead of lavender castile) and tried changing tps...any ideas ladies...please help its getting very obnoxious and sometimes I actually get like slight slivers/tear things  from the irratation
Try Marshmallow.
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: mommie May 10, 2007, 04:44:50 PM
o.k maybe i'm missing something? like shoving marshmellows up my crotch? or some herb or tincture ...i remember something called marshmellow ... hmmm can't remember but i thought it had another word after it?oh wait i just re read you wrote marshmallow...sorry   ;D i wasa puzzled   ??? ...so is that an herb or whatb
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: babymakers May 10, 2007, 04:54:07 PM
o.k maybe i'm missing something? like shoving marshmellows up my crotch? or some herb or tincture ...i remember something called marshmellow ... hmmm can't remember but i thought it had another word after it?oh wait i just re read you wrote marshmallow...sorry   ;D i wasa puzzled   ??? ...so is that an herb or whatb

ROFLOL It is an herb! Women that "premedicate" with it never get UTIs again because it works so well on the uninary system.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mommie May 10, 2007, 05:01:07 PM
shoving marshmellows up my crotch seemed less scary than garlic...sounded too good to be true ;D which is better tinture or pill you think ?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: babymakers May 10, 2007, 05:31:43 PM
shoving marshmellows up my crotch seemed less scary than garlic...sounded too good to be true ;D which is better tinture or pill you think ?
Tinctures are stronger but capsules work too. The ladies that use it for prevention take it in capsules but I don't think it really matters which way it is used.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mommie May 11, 2007, 05:37:37 AM
safe while preggo you know?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: babymakers May 11, 2007, 09:07:05 AM
safe while preggo you know?

Yes, it should be fine to take while pregnant.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: crystaldew June 08, 2007, 10:41:29 PM
i have read this entire thread and appreciate everyone's sharing! i have two questions:

1. i am 28 wks pregnant and just found out i have "an infection"-tests are at the lab for the weekend...pain is mostly in my lower right back and a bit in the pelvis. doesn't sound/feel like uti...bladder or kidney? other? idead for what to do if it is a kidney infection, not stones? (my sis had one last year but did antibiotics.)

2. i have a recipe for dissolving kidney stones that involves tonic water, which contains quianine. would this be harmful in pregnancy?

thanks! it's 3:30 am and i am awake with pain. waiting for the "official" word next week sometime is not going to cut it! :) i am working with cranberry juice and water now and will get the other things already recommended tomorrow.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen June 09, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
I would eat lots of raw garlic with a spoonfull of honey. That would help with the probable infection.
Is your cranberry juice 100%?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: crystaldew June 09, 2007, 06:14:47 AM
thanks! well. it's actually cranberry juice concentrate which i am putting with water and a bit of apple juice.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: happyhomemaker June 09, 2007, 06:19:20 AM
I take  super concentrated cranberry fruit (1680mg) plus vit. C in one soft gel a day. I always get kindney infections while pregnant, and this does the trick!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen June 09, 2007, 08:04:40 AM
thanks! well. it's actually cranberry juice concentrate which i am putting with water and a bit of apple juice.

You must drink 100% cranberry juice. I used to drink Northland when I got a UTI. http://www.northlandjuices.com/
Make sure there is NO sugar.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cjanderin June 17, 2007, 10:17:51 PM
A friend of mine has been getting UTI's each month at the same time as her period.  She has seen the doctor who said there was no connection but then went on to tell her to try not using tampons and to try unbleached pads etc.  She's been prescribed antibiotics and is drinking cranberry juice.  I'll pass on the information about the blueberries as well.
Does anyone have any other advice?  Is there likely to be some reason why she is getting them at the same time every month?
She did have a really severe UTI during/after her honeymoon but hasn't had them again since until the last three months.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: HeyMom June 18, 2007, 02:43:09 AM
I take  super concentrated cranberry fruit (1680mg) plus vit. C in one soft gel a day. I always get kindney infections while pregnant, and this does the trick!

this works for me as well with UTI's I have had in the past.
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: herbalmom June 18, 2007, 02:57:38 AM
A friend of mine has been getting UTI's each month at the same time as her period.  She has seen the doctor who said there was no connection but then went on to tell her to try not using tampons and to try unbleached pads etc.  She's been prescribed antibiotics and is drinking cranberry juice.  I'll pass on the information about the blueberries as well.
Does anyone have any other advice?  Is there likely to be some reason why she is getting them at the same time every month?
She did have a really severe UTI during/after her honeymoon but hasn't had them again since until the last three months.

Yeast/fungus levels tends to be the highest during your period for 2 reasons- the hormone balance leading up to & during your period encourage yeast/fungus growth & yeast thrives in blood. So it's possible that there is extra yeast/fungus & it's either depressing her immune system enough to let an UTI get going &/or her UTI is partly or totally yeast/fungus- which is possible even if most Drs don't recognize it. 

Another possibility is that her & DH have been more active just before her period lately & she is basically replaying her honeymoon.  ;) The thing is, even then, the UTI can be caused by passing yeast/fungus back & forth. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: crystaldew June 19, 2007, 02:38:55 PM
Just wanted to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread! I went back for the test yesterday and I am 90% better! I used cranberry (capsules and juice), lemon, raw garlic, blueberries, grapefruit seed extract, and vitamin c (Emergen-C), plus my regular prenatal and just started some mild acidophilous. Thank you thank you thank you! This really does work, for anyone wondering. My pain was gone in two days and my extremely severe infection is almost kicked!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen July 20, 2007, 05:23:47 AM
What does it mean when a little one has a UTI and redness in that area (externally)?

It could be that she was bothering it b/c it hurt.... Or could it be part of the infection?
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: BJ_BOBBI_JO July 20, 2007, 05:58:00 AM
What does it mean when a little one has a UTI and redness in that area (externally)?

It could be that she was bothering it b/c it hurt.... Or could it be part of the infection?

It could be red for both of those reasons. Infection can cause inflammation which can cause redness.

I hope your child gets over the UTI soon I know how irritating and uncomfortable they can be.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen July 20, 2007, 07:45:47 AM
For the little one mentioned above treatment has been:

Crushed (fresh) Garlic and Honey spoonfuls
Cranberry juice (100%) mixed with warm water and honey
Tummy Tune Up
Blue Berries
Strawberries
No sugar, diary, or wheat products (except maybe some yogurt later)

Mom hasn't notice any change yet, but hopes to after nap time.
The little one is screaming everytime she pees, and seems uncomfortable the rest of the time. No blood has been found in the urine.
It began this morning.

Anymore suggestions???
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: seeker July 20, 2007, 03:21:36 PM
For the little one mentioned above treatment has been:

Crushed (fresh) Garlic and Honey spoonfuls
Cranberry juice (100%) mixed with warm water and honey
Tummy Tune Up
Blue Berries
Strawberries
No sugar, diary, or wheat products (except maybe some yogurt later)

Mom hasn't notice any change yet, but hopes to after nap time.
The little one is screaming everytime she pees, and seems uncomfortable the rest of the time. No blood has been found in the urine.
It began this morning.

Anymore suggestions???

Wow! Sounds like Mommy is doing a great job. Is this little one in diapers or is she potty-trained?
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: Simply Kristen July 20, 2007, 04:21:10 PM
The little one is kind of potty trained. Not perfectly...but on the way.

Yes, the Momma ;) ;) noticed a change right after nap!
The child went from SCREAMING while urinating and just wanting to be held (in the morning)........ To acting totally normal by the late afternoon.

By (at) 5pm the child peed on the toilet with NO pain!

I think the 3 most important things were:
Cranberry juice (100% and not from concentrate)
A diet with NO sugar, wheat, diary, or meat (while ill)
Garlic


The reason you want to have no sugar, diary, wheat, or meat while fighing an infection is b/c you want the Body to focus only on the bacteria....not on processing food.
Diary creates Mucous, didn't want anymore of that. Sugar draws from the body's resources (remember...you want the body's resources to go to FIGHTING), meat is healthy but takes energy to process, and wheat (I can't remember). I think I read this in the ABC Herbal.

So, what to eat?
Strawberries, LOTS of Blueberries, avacados, carrots, brown rice, chicken stew (broth, peas, carrots, potatoes), and bananas.

I'm SO excited about the progress this child made. Not going on antibiotics did 2 things:
1. The BODY learned to fight an infection (not a pill). The BODY was boosted with specific nutrition choices and supplements.
2. Avoided the bad side effects---- Yes, Antibiotics DO have side effects. You want to avoid them if possible. But I believe antibiotics are necessary sometimes.


Treatment should continue for another 24 hours or so. Don't want any relapsing!

Any other comments or theories?

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen July 20, 2007, 04:25:05 PM
Oh!
Another thing the Momma did:
Made a garlic oil (one clove) with coconut oil.

Momma massaged child with the oil and sang for about 45 mins. This was done while the child was in pain.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio July 20, 2007, 06:45:56 PM
Does anyone who suffers from reoccurring UTI's have a water filter?  I know this may sound weird, but I have noticed that when we change our water filter for our house system I get a UTI.  I read somewhere and cannot figure out where that some water filtration systems are made with cadmium and it can leak into your water.  Excess cadmium will cause a UTI.  I have been watching this pattern for a little over a year, now.
Just curious, because yesterday, DH changed our water filter and tonight I am up with a UTI.  Weird.  :-\
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: Simply Kristen July 21, 2007, 05:17:36 AM

That is weird about the filters!!!

the only time I've gotten recurring UTI's is when I wore the wrong type of underwear.  :P
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio July 21, 2007, 05:21:19 AM



the only time I've gotten recurring UTI's is when I wore the wrong type of underwear.  :P

 ???  How can underware be wrong? LOL! Like a different material or different style?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen July 21, 2007, 05:24:28 AM



the only time I've gotten recurring UTI's is when I wore the wrong type of underwear.  :P

 ???  How can underware be wrong? LOL! Like a different material or different style?

errr.
Different styles and materials.
Styles: Just think of floss. Floss is bad. It can move back and forth (bringing bacteria from back to front).  ::)
Material: Cotton undies let the area breathe (unlike other materials).
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthyinOhio July 21, 2007, 05:37:03 AM

errr.
Different styles and materials.
Styles: Just think of floss. Floss is bad. It can move back and forth (bringing bacteria from back to front).  ::)
Material: Cotton undies let the area breathe (unlike other materials).

I thought that is what you had meant.  Hope I didn't embarrass you.  :-[  My butt is too big for that kind of style. All cotton granny undies, here.   ;D
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: seeker July 21, 2007, 07:29:10 AM
I thought that is what you had meant.  Hope I didn't embarrass you.  :-[  My butt is too big for that kind of style. All cotton granny undies, here.   ;D

Better known as Granny panties  ;) They're just so comfy.  :)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen July 21, 2007, 08:02:37 AM
Hope I didn't embarrass you. 

LOL!
You didn't embarrass me!
Trying to think of a way to word it........
I just didn't want to get "La La La La-d" in my post.  :P
 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: GarlicMom August 26, 2007, 03:32:49 PM
Help my sister has blood in her urine and it hurts!

Hi I'm new to this sight but I need help with my sister I looked through all of this stuff serching for the right answers and I've found some help.  I told her this morning to take three garlics swallow them like pills and I gave her some cyanne tinkture. She is 18 and she took it like a pro. She called this afternoon and thanked me she thought it was over but tonight she said it was back! What do you all suggest I want everyone to prayerfully respond so we can convince her of the usefullness of natural meds. Thanks
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: ShabbyChic August 26, 2007, 04:14:38 PM
A probiotic.  Yoghurt is good.  Stick to a good one like Stoneyfield plain yoghurt which has 6 strands of good bacteria.  Tummy tune up is a great pill probiotic, but it sounds like she needs it now, and you can't buy that in stores, so you can find probiotics at GNC or any health food section of the grocery store.  They'll say acidophillus.  They aren't my first pick, but sometimes timing is king. 

She can also use yoghurt internally.  If you freeze it in the finger sections of latex gloves they form good shapes for inserting.  They are cooling, too.  Make sure you don't fill them too full because I've found it's better to do smaller ones more often than larger ones, and wear a pad in the underpants.

Keep an eye on her.  If she runs a fever I would take her to the hospital pronto because she could have a serious infection that requires antibiotics and more more closely monitored professional attention.  She can also take Tylenol (acetaminophen) as directed on the bottle for pain and inflammation.
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: merryheart August 26, 2007, 09:58:07 PM
If it is a urinary tract infection, garlic is super.  And TONS of water.  I've had amazing success with eating several cloves of raw garlic and then flooding my system with water, I'm talking gallons. :-)  And keep up with the garlic and plenty of water even after the initial pain seems to be subsiding, for a few days I would think to make sure the infection is completely gone.  Cranberry juice/capsules are a popular treatment too and I'm sure they work, but I've cured myself with garlic when I didn't have cranberry on hand. 
Hope she is feeling better soon - bladder infections are SO uncomfortable!  And do have her see a doctor if things are worsening - these infections can go to the kidneys and get ugly.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: miff aka Missi August 27, 2007, 05:05:36 AM
I sometimes come across as a little negative, so sorry if this post does.  Not meant to be. ;)

I think that blood in the urine is cause for a trip to the doctor's office.  I think that it could be an indication of something else, other than just a simple infection.  I would go and have a urine test ran to see how bad it is and rule out anything else that could be causing the blood.  Then treat it as naturally as possible.  Knowing for sure that it is just a bladder infection would give peace of mind here.  And knowing the severity of the infection would give a better idea of what to do and how long to keep up the treatment. 

Not trying to alarm anyone here.  I would just use the doctors and labs for a better diagnosis.  :)

Missi 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt August 27, 2007, 05:42:08 AM
I haven't had a UTI since I cleansed for yeast, but I have had bleeding with severe UTI's.  If it were me, I would take craberry capsules, eat blueberries, eat garlic by the truckload, take Tummy Tuneup and drink tons of water.

If the pain were unbearable I might break down and buy some Uristat (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1284.0.html) for immediate pain relief.  I have not studied the possible side effects associated with this drug, but I would take it before I'd ever resort to antibiotics.

If the pain and the symptoms did not recede within a few days, then I would probably go to the doc to find out if I had kidney stones so that I could consider alternate treatments.

After you've conquered the UTI, I would consider cleansing for yeast as severe overgrowth of candida can ultimately cause your body to be more susceptible to illnesses including repeat UTI's.

HTH
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: ShabbyChic August 27, 2007, 06:12:51 AM
How's your sister, GarlicMom?  Has she had any relief or subsiding from the pain?  I was also thinking that if she is taking birth control pills (which I took for a while to "regulate my cycle"  ::) and wich I never had) she could be having breakthrough bleeding.  Just another thought.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: GarlicMom August 27, 2007, 06:14:54 AM
Thanks everyone for your help we are on our way to health.She doesn't have blood any more!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BJ_BOBBI_JO August 27, 2007, 06:23:49 AM
I have gotten so many UTI's that I have lost track of how many I have had over the years. Each UTI can feel and behave differant then the last one. What works for one UTI 1 time may not work for the next UTI. I remember learning one time that there are differant strains of bacteria that can cause UTI's. Perhaps that is why they are all so differant sometimes for me and why they are differant for each person in general.

I have found that I do not have near as many UTI's  now that I am taking garlic pills to help decrease the Candida. And I also take cranberry pills. I take those pills daily all year long. During a UTI I will eat blueberries and drink extra water to help hurry the infection along so it leaves faster and it does seem to help. I learned about the blueberries here on welltellme.

But sometimes those UTI's can be extremely hard to be rid of , I supposes that depends on the person and strand of bacteria that is causing the UTI? Therefor sometimes just natural stuff alone , for some ppl, will not 100% cure the UTI. What I do is use the natural stuff in addition to the antibiotic from the doctor. Those together made my last horrid UTI leave real fast and I was able to deal with the symptoms well enough to be on stage in a play I was in. Of course I went to the bathroom every chance I got but I survived it well. LOL.

A UTI is not something to mess around with as it can easily travel up the ureters ( sp?)  and into the kidneys causing a bad kidney infection. And sometimes those UTIs can make some ppl extremely sick and miserable. I have had UTIs were I hardly felt or knew I had one. Then I have had them so bad I could not hardly stand up straight and function.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: YHWH_Reigns August 29, 2007, 07:03:28 AM
I started having UTI symptoms about 4 days ago , with the burning, itching, frequent urination, but yesterday I noticed a brown discharge occurred when  urinated.  I can't go to the doctor, I have no insurance . I have been drinking water and cranberry juice to make it go away. I have never had UTI symptoms like this before, can anyone help? Thanks so much !
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: ShabbyChic August 29, 2007, 07:20:46 AM
Try this thread:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11610.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11610.0.html)

(merged with current thread)

I'd say keep drinking water and cranberries, also plain yogurt.  There's an over the counter product you can get at any pharmacy with no prescription called AZO.  My MIL and friend P have used it with success.  There's also one at wal-mart called Hyland's naturals bladder Irritation tablets.  Maybe some of them can help, too.

But if you develop a fever or other symptoms, you really should see a doctor.  Infections can get really bad.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen August 29, 2007, 07:22:19 AM
this is what I did with very good success!
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2367.msg96973.html#msg96973

Hapypy drinking and eating!

For future use...... you can go to a doctor without insurance! You just have to pay for it yourself. Docs will work with you on a patient by patient basis, in my experience (especially a doc who is in a practice by himself)
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: YHWH_Reigns August 29, 2007, 05:00:54 PM
Wow, Thank You so much! I appreciate it, I am going to try this out, pray for me. I will let you know how it goes.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mommyof3 September 05, 2007, 04:46:31 PM
Quick question. I've been taking cranberry capsules daily, becuz if I don't I get uti's. Anyways, I've been just buying the Cranberry from walmart. Its a super strength, 500mg cranberry extract capsule. I usually take 1-2 a day. I was wondering if there is a better kind to buy? I haven't had a problem with these, just thought maybe there'd be one with more quantity for cheaper or same price. And also what was the best kind of Cranberry to take. The extract or the whole fruit or what!? Hope this isn't too confusing of a question!  ;D LOL!! 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cecac September 12, 2007, 10:45:48 AM
My mom-in-law is 81 and just told me she is starting her first ever bladder infection.

I think I'll go for the garlic tabs, cranberry tabs, and blueberries.  She really doesn't want to go to the doctor.  I am going to get her AZO tonight so she doesn't have too much pain.

I'll also have her up her water to at least 2 quarts, if not more.

Any other suggestions, and do you all think she is too old to try this first before the doc and antibiotics?

Thank you,
Cara
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: Mama Sita September 12, 2007, 12:39:33 PM
My mom-in-law is 81 and just told me she is starting her first ever bladder infection.

I think I'll go for the garlic tabs, cranberry tabs, and blueberries.  She really doesn't want to go to the doctor.  I am going to get her AZO tonight so she doesn't have too much pain.

I'll also have her up her water to at least 2 quarts, if not more.

Any other suggestions, and do you all think she is too old to try this first before the doc and antibiotics?

Thank you,
Cara

Not sure if I have posted this here or not, but I have had great success using Uva Ursi to fight UTI's. Of course, cranberry juice and tons of water were part of the prescription, too.

I only use Nature's Sunshine Uva Ursi since the quality is so high. I think I took it for a week, and it knocked that UTI right out.

Just thought I'd throw that out there......
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: berthday September 12, 2007, 03:17:49 PM
My Grandma is 89 yrs and gets bladder infection every month and sometimes several times a month. My Mom always takes her to the Dr. and gets her on antibiotics---but they always come back. I want to find something that will take care of it for good! Is that possible? :)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cecac September 12, 2007, 03:48:50 PM
Hello berthday,

I'll come back to this thread and post what success my MIL has.

I got her garlic caps tonight and EmergenC Cranberry. 

The lady at the health food store told me to flood her with probiotics.

So here's our plan:   EmergenC with some cranberry juice added twice per day.  1 garlic cap twice per day.  1 cup of blueberries per day.  Yogurt every day until I get our Kefir made and then Kefir every day.  We decided to cut down on EmergenC after symptoms subside.

Her infection is not painful yet, so I'd say it's mild.

MamaSita, thank you for the Urva Usi tip.  We'll kick that in if the other doesn't work because my mom in law doesn't want the antibiotics.  She mainly hates going to the doctor.  It certainly has worked for her, she's not on any medications.  In this day and age, that's a major miracle.

Cara
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: healthybratt September 12, 2007, 08:09:41 PM
My Grandma is 89 yrs and gets bladder infection every month and sometimes several times a month. My Mom always takes her to the Dr. and gets her on antibiotics---but they always come back. I want to find something that will take care of it for good! Is that possible? :)
You might want to consider treating her for candida, but at her age, you might want to do it more slowly than a younger person to lessen the die-off effects that, in many cases, will fatigue and weaken the body.

Probably the best route would be diet change if needed.  Here's a couple of links with more info.

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Fungal-Bacterial Infections (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Fighting Candida w/o Sugar [Carb] Restrictions (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1923.0.html)
Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: lovingmomof2 September 13, 2007, 03:34:09 AM
I don't get these infections very often anymore,  but when I was pregnant I kept having positive on the test without having any symptoms.  I didn't want to take the antibiotics especially while pregnant so here's what I did.

I used a garlic press and took a clove of garlic and a tablespoon of honey at least 3 times a day.  Sometimes at first I took it every hour or so.
I also took tummy tune-up and did a detox bath with baking soda and Epsom salt.  I haven't had any problems since I did this. 

Hope this was helpful.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cecac September 13, 2007, 04:26:02 AM
Thank you HB, I was already beginning to think in that direction for my MIL.  I am wondering if she got this UTI because she had dropped wheat (and therefore, carbs) from her diet.  I would think the UTI is a possible sign of Candida.  I am thinking like you that she would have to treat slowly, like treating a child, due to age.  She is very sensitive to any herbs, treatments, drugs.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: cecac October 29, 2007, 04:20:54 PM
Hello berthday,

I'll come back to this thread and post what success my MIL has.

I got her garlic caps tonight and EmergenC Cranberry. 

The lady at the health food store told me to flood her with probiotics.

So here's our plan:   EmergenC with some cranberry juice added twice per day.  1 garlic cap twice per day.  1 cup of blueberries per day.  Yogurt every day until I get our Kefir made and then Kefir every day.  We decided to cut down on EmergenC after symptoms subside.

Her infection is not painful yet, so I'd say it's mild.

MamaSita, thank you for the Urva Usi tip.  We'll kick that in if the other doesn't work because my mom in law doesn't want the antibiotics.  She mainly hates going to the doctor.  It certainly has worked for her, she's not on any medications.  In this day and age, that's a major miracle.

Cara

I remembered about this and need to report that my MIL had to go to a clinic and get a three day antibiotic.  She could not kick the infection and her urine remained cloudy.  Matter of fact, she is still having to get up and go at least once a night, something she never has had to do before.  We are taking her to an MD who is doing natural stuff.  This episode will definitely be discussed in the first interview. 

Mama Sita, we did not try the Uva Ursi, we did not have time.   :(  My MIL is still eating some blueberries and using some of the EmergenC.  We also give her raw kefir smoothies some, but I think we may need to up that to make sure she recovers from the antibiotics.
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: mykidsmom October 29, 2007, 05:33:02 PM
Having just gone through a bad bad UTI with my daughter I thought I would post what our family usually does for them.  While most people recommend cranberry juice or lots of supplements, I prefer whole foods when it's possible.  Unsweetened cranberry juice is hard to find and the sugar in regular cranberry juice just feeds the infection.  A friend who healed herself of cancer gave me her onion soup puree recipe for UTI's.  I've used it once and it works very well and tastes good!  If I'd known my daughter had a UTI I would have used it on her!

"Onion Puree Soup

Ingredients:

2 leeks, chopped
2 bunches of scallions, chopped
4 brown/yellow onions, chopped
2 purple onions or bunch of shallots or white onions if no purple onions, chopped
1/2 cup organic butter (one stick)
water

Use a pot large enough for all the chopped onions/leeks/scallions. Melt the stick of butter and add all the chopped onions/leeks/scallions. Saute until the onions start to look translucent. Then add water (I used bottled spring water) to cover all the onions. Bring to a boil, then reduce the heat to simmer for about 20 minutes. Remove from flame and let cool for a few minutes, then blend it all up in a blender until it’s creamy. Salt to taste. (I used sundried sea salt for added minerals. Celtic is a good brand. Don’t skimp on the salt, there are a good mix of minerals in natural sea salt).

I generally took a bowl or large cup of onion soup every hour throughout the day, and continued it for another 2 weeks for good measure even though I no longer had symptoms. I ate it either hot or cold. Didn’t seem to matter."

You might try this soup next time a UTI hits.  I did not have scallions when I made mine and it still worked fine. 

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: ShabbyChic October 30, 2007, 03:48:03 AM
I'm currently battling a bladder infection.  It started out with lots of cramping and finally with blood in my urine.  Because I'm 27 weeks pregnant, I was pretty worried.  The antibiotic my doc prescribed came with THE longest list of side effects, and I just wasn't up for wiping out my entire immune system at this time of year. 

So honey went to the grocery store and got some R.W. Knudsen 100% cranberry juice (not 100% juice that is 27% cranberry, but 100% cranberries).  Drinking it is like eating a lemon.  I love the tartness.  I've been guzzling that, taking cranberry power cleanse (with uva ursi) 3 at the time, and taking TTU 3 at the time.  I'm also eating raw yoghurt. 

I SOOOO wish that I could stomach the leeks and onions, but I struggle with acid reflux, especially when I'm pregnant, and I know it'd kill me.   :P  It takes a little longer to see relief when treating the infections naturally, but honey and I agree that it's worth it not to take the antibiotics if you can help it.
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: Mamacat October 30, 2007, 04:02:39 AM
Let me know how all the works for you....I refuse to take antibiotics or any kind of meds unless I absolutely have to....side effects to most of these medications are horrible.
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: mhsmama4 October 30, 2007, 04:11:18 AM
I'm currently battling a bladder infection.  It started out with lots of cramping and finally with blood in my urine.  Because I'm 27 weeks pregnant, I was pretty worried.  The antibiotic my doc prescribed came with THE longest list of side effects, and I just wasn't up for wiping out my entire immune system at this time of year. 

So honey went to the grocery store and got some R.W. Knudsen 100% cranberry juice (not 100% juice that is 27% cranberry, but 100% cranberries).  Drinking it is like eating a lemon.  I love the tartness.  I've been guzzling that, taking cranberry power cleanse (with uva ursi) 3 at the time, and taking TTU 3 at the time.  I'm also eating raw yoghurt. 

I SOOOO wish that I could stomach the leeks and onions, but I struggle with acid reflux, especially when I'm pregnant, and I know it'd kill me.   :P  It takes a little longer to see relief when treating the infections naturally, but honey and I agree that it's worth it not to take the antibiotics if you can help it.

Shabby Chic,

I'd posted under the UTI while pregnant thread but just saw your post here.  I'm also taking the Cranberry Power Cleanse, but not three at a time.   How many times per day are you taking that?  And I'm also drinking the Knudsen's 100% Cranberry juice, as well as lots of water, and taking Tummy Tuneup every time I eat a meal or snack.  I'm 28 weeks pregnant.

Thanks.
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: ShabbyChic October 30, 2007, 04:51:23 AM
We should start a club, MHSmama4!   :D  I take the cranberry power cleanse 2 times a day (6 total pills) every 12 hours.  So when I wake up and before bed.  I've got some yogurt freezing in the fingers of a glove in my freezer.  They make good suppositories.  I take the TTU only once a day (3 total pills) even though it says to take one pill three times; I'd forget.

I just began this last night.  Yesterday I thought it was preterm labor (which I'm not a candidate for) from the red raspberry leaf and evening promrose oil.  Still, I'm suspending them for about 6 weeks.  I began spotting last night (this is my 3rd pregnancy and I've never had that) and I realized it was my bladder and not labor.  I called the OB/GYN just to be safe, and the baby is moving around so much that he said that's the best indication.  Throughout the night and this morning baby is his same old active self. 
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: mhsmama4 October 30, 2007, 05:00:35 AM
Thanks, Shabby.  No spotting here, but I was having some pretty strong contractions intermittently before I realized what was going on.  I'm on my third day of taking the Cranberry Power Cleanse, but have been taking it differently...may switch to your way today so I'm not "missing" doses at night.

Hope you get better quickly, and me too!   ;)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen October 30, 2007, 05:55:48 AM
This is my proven method:
(if it is written weirdly it was in email form)

Yesterday a family member woke up with a UTI. She was SCREAMING when she peed and in pain even while not urinating. :-(
I almost called a doctor right then.

Instead, I decided to immediately start treatment and go to a doc later if she didn't improve (for antibiotics).
I did this:
No processed food
No Sugar
No Wheat products
No Diary
No Meat
 ----All these things can be healthy.....they just take some of the body's resources to process....or they create mucous. Neither of which I wanted right then.

I Gave Her:
Lots of Water
Pure Cranberry Juice (no sugar, not from concentrate). I mixed this with warm water and honey to sweeten and lessen the taste
Blueberries
Strawberries
Brown Rice
Chicken Stew (broth, peas, carrots, potatoes) .I have this homemade in the freezer for these purposes. (SICKNESS)

Other Treatments/ Non-food stuff
-Raw Garlic and Honey on Spoon (garlic kills bacteria and is amazing!!! check this out: http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/fileadmin/template/Calendar/2006/Herbal_Lessons/Garlic2.pdf
-Tummy Tune Up and Honey on Spoon (Tummy Tune Up is a good bacteria that helps fight the bad stuff. Our bodies need this! It's what you find in yogurt and other cultured/fermented foods)
http://www.beeyoutiful.com/goodness/product_info.php/products_id/6
-I also rubbed her down with coconut oil and garlic for about 45 minutes----Singing and Massaging to help increase circulation, decrease pain, uplift mood, and get more garlic in her system.

She took a nap around noon and woke up at 2:30.
Was still a little uncomfortable peeing still.

Then, at 5pm she was peeing with NO pain.....After that she was totally normal.
I'm still treating today with diet and probiotics (tummy tune up).

Will maintain diet for 2-3 days.

I think the key things were:
Total Diet change (boosted her body and let it ONLY focus on fighting the illness)
Cranberry Juice
Garlic/Probiotics

Not relying on an antibiotic did 2 things:

1. Taught her body to fight the bacteria. She will be much stronger in the long run!
2. Avoided unpleasant and possibly long term side effects of antibiotics------Killing off good bacteria in her system, yeast, fungus, stomach troubles, not being able to fight off the next infection, etc.

The Book I learned most of this in: ABC Herbal and many others. Email me back if interested in the rest.
Website: www.WellTellMe.com
I'm also talking about all this stuff in a podcast: www.backtobasicspodcast.com


BTW, in my opinion you can't do this halfway. You can't lean on herbs and then put junk in your mouth......

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BJ_BOBBI_JO October 30, 2007, 06:42:14 AM
I got a bladder infection last month and was too sick from the stomach flu to be able to handle taking antibiotics. So I skipped it and took a high quality cranberry pill that has an infection fighting herb mixed in with it. I also was taking extra garlic pills and cooking with extra garlic. It all seemed to help the UTI go away. Or so I thought.

I kept feeling some very mild bladder discomfort but attributed it to my diabetes so I let it go. Then last week I started peeing what felt like acid. OUCH!

 I was frustrated because I had been eating much better and was taking those herbs. I went to the doc and found out I had a bad bladder infection. The weird thing is I  always am very sick and or uncomfortable during a bladder infection. The cranberry and other stuff seemed to have made it to where I was not so burdened down with the sickness of a bladder infection and could not feel that I had an infection which is kind of good but dangerous at the same time. I barly knew I had one other then when I went potty it burned.

So it kind of worries me that if I had avoided going to the doc and did not learn I still had the bladder infection from last month that it would have went up into the kidneys and that is bad news.

Herbs seems to help me not get bladder infections but once I get a bladder infection I don't seem to be able to get rid of them without the use of a antibiotic. Yes I have been doing candida cleanses since Feb 2006.

 I am staying on the  cranberry and some other herbs to help me heal faster and to help prevent another bladder infection from happening. But I had to start taking bactrum for the bladder infection. Fortunately that is one I can tolerate.

I say all that so that others like me who try and try to heal/prevent a bladder infection with herbs but just cant seem to make it work don't feel alone and bad. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Don't let others bash you with passive condemnation on how going to the doctor and taking medications is bad and therefor your own fault if you get sick from those medications. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get better. Don't sit around suffering for weeks on end with a kidney/bladder infection because of not wanting to go to the doc and take pills. It would be better to do that then to ruin your urinary system. But if natural healing works for you then be grateful and use it and be thankful that it does heal you without medical help.  :)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: lovingmomof2 October 30, 2007, 08:01:08 AM
I got a bladder infection last month and was too sick from the stomach flu to be able to handle taking antibiotics. So I skipped it and took a high quality cranberry pill that has an infection fighting herb mixed in with it. I also was taking extra garlic pills and cooking with extra garlic. It all seemed to help the UTI go away. Or so I thought.

I kept feeling some very mild bladder discomfort but attributed it to my diabetes so I let it go. Then last week I started peeing what felt like acid. OUCH!

 I was frustrated because I had been eating much better and was taking those herbs. I went to the doc and found out I had a bad bladder infection. The weird thing is I  always am very sick and or uncomfortable during a bladder infection. The cranberry and other stuff seemed to have made it to where I was not so burdened down with the sickness of a bladder infection and could not feel that I had an infection which is kind of good but dangerous at the same time. I barly knew I had one other then when I went potty it burned.

So it kind of worries me that if I had avoided going to the doc and did not learn I still had the bladder infection from last month that it would have went up into the kidneys and that is bad news.

Herbs seems to help me not get bladder infections but once I get a bladder infection I don't seem to be able to get rid of them without the use of a antibiotic. Yes I have been doing candida cleanses since Feb 2006.

 I am staying on the  cranberry and some other herbs to help me heal faster and to help prevent another bladder infection from happening. But I had to start taking bactrum for the bladder infection. Fortunately that is one I can tolerate.

I say all that so that others like me who try and try to heal/prevent a bladder infection with herbs but just cant seem to make it work don't feel alone and bad. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Don't let others bash you with passive condemnation on how going to the doctor and taking medications is bad and therefor your own fault if you get sick from those medications. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get better. Don't sit around suffering for weeks on end with a kidney/bladder infection because of not wanting to go to the doc and take pills. It would be better to do that then to ruin your urinary system. But if natural healing works for you then be grateful and use it and be thankful that it does heal you without medical help.  :)

Well said.  I like to avoid the doctors office and meds if I can, but if I need them I am glad that they are there.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mhsmama4 November 02, 2007, 02:41:57 PM
Shabby Chic,

Just wondering how you are doing with this?  I am feeling somewhat better, but the urine specimen at the doctor's today still showed WBC in it, so he gave me a prescription for Macrobid.  I'm torn as to whether to start it or keep on with what I'm doing for a few more days first.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: homesteadmommy November 25, 2007, 01:33:15 PM
Maybe someone can help me out. My 3 year old son has an off and on problem.  When he wants to urinates he cries and says that it hurts. We'll look at his penis and notice that there is a slight scab of some sort on the tip - so we'll wipe it off with a warm wash cloth and he will go.  Sometimes he says it even hurts when he goes. We have noticed him to have a drop of blood or maybe a little bit of pus in that area - do you think it is a UTI or maybe someone else has experience with this. The strange thing is there is no pattern - it may not bother him for days and then maybe 3 times in one day but not everytime that he goes. Any advice would be very helpful.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: SarahK November 25, 2007, 06:53:36 PM
It may be UTI related, but my experience says to also check the laundry. 

When we moved to our new house, within weeks we had problems with our youngest son.  He would get a tiny sore at the urethra opening on the glans that appeared to occasionally travel down the urethra and would block the urine flow.  When he woudl try to pee, the urine would come out in a tiny pin-prick, high presure stream.  He would scream and be frantic when he needed to pee.  Not because he was afraid (though eventually he was) but because - between the back pressure of a very full bladder and a high-pressure stream over a scab in a sensitive area, it was just very painful. 

We eventually traced it to our washing machine.   It seems that the cloth diapers were not getting clean enough to kill whatever was irritating his skin.  Or maybe it was our store bought detergent that was causing the problem.   Either way, when we switched him to Pull-Ups, he was fine in 36 hours.  Put on training pants or diapers and the sore was back in 2 days.

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: homesteadmommy November 26, 2007, 03:53:35 AM
what you are talking about sounds just like my son - but he has been trained for a year.  We did wonder if it has something to do with the fact that he sometimes wets himself a little while he is sleeping. But I am glad for that idea - maybe I will go back to washing the underwear in warm water.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma December 03, 2007, 12:18:39 PM
I do not have time to read this.I will if this is the problem though. ;)

 My three yr old has been wetting herself just enough to notice and no more.KWIM?
 She has not complained of pain.And has never been like this.No trauma here or anything.
  She did this 3! times yesterday and twice today. ???

What do ya think??

Em
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: herbalmom December 03, 2007, 12:24:46 PM
I do not have time to read this.I will if this is the problem though. ;)

 My three yr old has been wetting herself just enough to notice and no more.KWIM?
 She has not complained of pain.And has never been like this.No trauma here or anything.
  She did this 3! times yesterday and twice today. ???

What do ya think??

Em

Infection is possible. So are allergies or chemical sensitivities. Both can cause wetting &/or bed wetting- it's like the bladder sneezes. New foods, new cleaners, new laundry soaps, new soap, something at someone else's house? My hands hurt today so I can't type much but this should get you started. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: 1ofeach December 21, 2007, 03:46:23 AM
I'm just going to throw this out there. A friend's dd had chronic UTI's at age 7 or so. My friend took her to a urologist who advised them to drink an entire glass of water at a time, not to just sip it throughout the day. When you drink a full glass, the bladder fills and then totally empties, and the muscles stay strong. With sipping a little here and there throughout the day, the bladder muscles get weak b/c of its not being full, AND it doesn't totally empty and that's when you get infections. We started drinking more at one sitting and I have not had any problems in YEARS. DS used to have some problems too, and this helped. In fact, none of us have had problems. I'm sure I didn't explain it very well, but drinking more at one sitting has helped us a lot.

I know you all are smart parents who realize there are other causes for UTI's, but this is a pretty simple thing to do that may help avoid some, so I wanted to share it.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: YoopreMama December 21, 2007, 05:14:27 AM
I'm just going to throw this out there. A friend's dd had chronic UTI's at age 7 or so. My friend took her to a urologist who advised them to drink an entire glass of water at a time, not to just sip it throughout the day. When you drink a full glass, the bladder fills and then totally empties, and the muscles stay strong. With sipping a little here and there throughout the day, the bladder muscles get weak b/c of its not being full, AND it doesn't totally empty and that's when you get infections. We started drinking more at one sitting and I have not had any problems in YEARS. DS used to have some problems too, and this helped. In fact, none of us have had problems. I'm sure I didn't explain it very well, but drinking more at one sitting has helped us a lot...
THANK you for sharing that!  :)
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: prairiechild December 21, 2007, 08:38:01 AM
FWIW, my sister-in-law drinks parsley tea and it cures her kidney infections. Now, obviously it would not cure the cause of your daughters problem, but it may be worth a try and perhaps it would help her kidneys a bit. Not as stand-alone treatment but an adjunct to the antibiotics she is already on.

I would go for an integrated approach. I would be unwilling to risk her kidneys to go with a strictly natural approach. I dislike antibiotics, but would rather treat the infection than let her lose kidney function.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt December 30, 2007, 05:53:15 AM
I have read through what I could here on bladder reflux and haven't found much.  I saw one person mention their dd had it but not much more then that.

It appears that my 6yr old dd has bladder reflux.

This topic has been split and moved here.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,14342.0.html
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: YoopreMama December 30, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
Em--How are things now?  ???
I do not have time to read this.I will if this is the problem though. ;)

My three yr old has been wetting herself just enough to notice and no more.  KWIM?   She has not complained of pain.And has never been like this.No trauma here or anything.  She did this 3! times yesterday and twice today. ???   What do ya think??  Em
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma December 30, 2007, 09:50:47 AM
Em--How are things now?  ???
I do not have time to read this.I will if this is the problem though. ;)

My three yr old has been wetting herself just enough to notice and no more.  KWIM?   She has not complained of pain.And has never been like this.No trauma here or anything.  She did this 3! times yesterday and twice today. ???   What do ya think??  Em

I don't know. :-\  HB said it could be citrus. So I cut them out then I  tried oranges 2 times since then and both times she did this. I really just want to go get Allergy testing done.I am so tired of guessing on stuff.  I think it could very well have just been citrus.Sure looks like it.  Allergies are a bummer. :P And a headache. :D

Thanks for asking!

Em
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt January 12, 2008, 09:14:25 AM
Em--How are things now?  ???
I do not have time to read this.I will if this is the problem though. ;)

My three yr old has been wetting herself just enough to notice and no more.  KWIM?   She has not complained of pain.And has never been like this.No trauma here or anything.  She did this 3! times yesterday and twice today. ???   What do ya think??  Em

I don't know. :-\  HB said it could be citrus. So I cut them out then I  tried oranges 2 times since then and both times she did this. I really just want to go get Allergy testing done.I am so tired of guessing on stuff.  I think it could very well have just been citrus.Sure looks like it.  Allergies are a bummer. :P And a headache. :D

Thanks for asking!

Em
I don't think this is necessarily an allergy (maybe), just maybe the kidneys are too "young" to process such high quantities of certain acids or maybe it has something to do with low fats in some foods.  My girls have always had problems (irritation & burning) with fruit juices while they were little.  I had the same problem myself, but only as a young'en.  I just recently found that citrus (even when watered down) caused my little ones to wet the bed more frequently so I'm guessing it's because citrus is more acidic than other fruits.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: herbs girl January 19, 2008, 05:23:48 AM
I I am in the midst of a gum/tooth infection and now I have  a bladder infection. :o :o I am taking Collidial silver and Oregan grape root for the Tooth infection until I can get to the dentist on Wednesday next week. But now what should I take for the bladder infection? I am taking AZO cranberry concentrate now. How many blueberries a day? Going into the weekend, I wont be able to get antibiotics unless I go to the Urgent Care/ER, which I really dont want to do. I am also going to get some Northland 100% cranberry juice as soon as I can later today. Any more suggestions?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: prairiechild January 19, 2008, 05:29:36 AM
My SIL swears by parsley tea for UTIs. She makes tea with the dry stuff.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: herbs girl January 28, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
I I am in the midst of a gum/tooth infection and now I have  a bladder infection. :o :o I am taking Collidial silver and Oregan grape root for the Tooth infection until I can get to the dentist on Wednesday next week. But now what should I take for the bladder infection? I am taking AZO cranberry concentrate now. How many blueberries a day? Going into the weekend, I wont be able to get antibiotics unless I go to the Urgent Care/ER, which I really dont want to do. I am also going to get some Northland 100% cranberry juice as soon as I can later today. Any more suggestions?

I just wanted to say that Blueberries DID NOT cure My infection. I bought fresh ones, and used them with TONS of water and cranberry juice. I was disapointed, and had to go on antibiotics. I was having stabbing pains in my kidney area, and pain/blood in urine.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Laalex2 January 29, 2008, 04:06:37 AM
I am just getting over my first bladder infection.  I was bleeding and in horrible pain the first night.  Several nights later my kidneys were killing me.  I did not want to go on antibiotics because they play havoc on my body. My dad almost died from taking them.  The past few days I've lived on fresh lemon juice with raw honey and water, pure cranberry juice and lots of blueberry smoothies, and fresh vegie juice.  Today, 6 days later, my urine is finally not cloudy and smelly.  Going the natural route does take longer but it's always better if your body can fight the infection itself.  I will probably stay on this diet one more day to make sure the infection is completely gone.
Love,
Lori
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Julia February 25, 2008, 09:29:34 AM
Do you think you can get a UTI with no symptoms? 

My 4 yo daughter went in to the pediatrician for a well check a couple of weeks ago. They said her urine was very concentrated and had a trace amount of blood in it. They asked me to bring in another urine sample this week and this one had a leukocytes in it, which they said meant a possible infection, so I am supposed to get another urine sample and take it to the lab.

She has no symptoms of a UTI. (Unless the previous blood in the urine was a symptom.) When I was early in pregnancy with my first, I had a similar thing happen - supposedly my urine test said that I had a UTI, despite no symptoms, so I was to take antibiotics. Now I wish I didn't take them, but didn't know what else to do then and was afraid of infection risking the baby.

I thought I'd proceed with the usual UTI fixes: more liquids (she doesn't drink much in the winter), go potty more (she holds it forever), cranberry juice, garlic, corn silk, echinacea, and vitamins.

I guess I'm wondering if I should even get her urine analyzed for infection again. How will I even know if my treatments have worked if she has had no symptoms in the first place? But then I'm afraid that if I don't know for sure that it's gone, this "ghost UTI" could spread and become a "ghost kidney infection."
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: berthday February 25, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
My Grandmother who is 90 yrs old, has UTI back to back constantly.The Dr. gave her MORE antibiotics today again(she had a round of antibiotics last week) cause she has  UTI again ! The Dr. says that she is getting immune to the antibiotics and keep giving her diff. kinds.  What can I give her that will help? She is so much to do whatever the  Dr. says to do-- But I want her to get help!!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Julia February 26, 2008, 08:40:12 AM
Do you think you can get a UTI with no symptoms? 

My 4 yo daughter went in to the pediatrician for a well check a couple of weeks ago. They said her urine was very concentrated and had a trace amount of blood in it. They asked me to bring in another urine sample this week and this one had a leukocytes in it, which they said meant a possible infection, so I am supposed to get another urine sample and take it to the lab.

She has no symptoms of a UTI. (Unless the previous blood in the urine was a symptom.) When I was early in pregnancy with my first, I had a similar thing happen - supposedly my urine test said that I had a UTI, despite no symptoms, so I was to take antibiotics. Now I wish I didn't take them, but didn't know what else to do then and was afraid of infection risking the baby.

I thought I'd proceed with the usual UTI fixes: more liquids (she doesn't drink much in the winter), go potty more (she holds it forever), cranberry juice, garlic, corn silk, echinacea, and vitamins.

I guess I'm wondering if I should even get her urine analyzed for infection again. How will I even know if my treatments have worked if she has had no symptoms in the first place? But then I'm afraid that if I don't know for sure that it's gone, this "ghost UTI" could spread and become a "ghost kidney infection."

Bump....
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: SarahK February 26, 2008, 08:56:14 AM
Well, I was diagnosed with a UTI (my first) at about 25-30 weeks pregnant this last time.  I had no symptoms and didn't want to mess with the antibiotics.  I took the written prescription and then went to at least 5 days of home remedies. (dates approximate cuz I just don't know exactly)  I had 1 pint of blueberries and/or one pint of raw cranberries every day.  I also increased my regular water intake by 2 quarts to be nearing 2 gallons (slosh).   I was eating 3 cloves of garlic a day (blech).  I then went to my local doc to get a re-test to see if the infection was gone.  Nope.  Still cultured bacteria - in fact it was a greater count than first test.

I never had a single symptom (no fever, pain, ache, urgency, increased frequency, etc). 

I don't know why this worked this way.  But I did not have symptoms and I am sure that the testing was accurate (2 tests, 2 different labs, 2 different days but same results).
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Julia February 26, 2008, 09:02:55 AM
So do you think it was really an infection? I mean, don't we always have some bacteria lurking around, we just don't want it to get out of hand? Did you take the antibiotics and did they work?
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: SarahK February 26, 2008, 09:13:45 AM
So do you think it was really an infection?

Well, I think it must have been.  I just don't know why I didn't have symptoms.

I mean, don't we always have some bacteria lurking around, we just don't want it to get out of hand?

From everything I've read/studied, urine is sterile.  So, if there is bacteria identified in the urine it is [1]either contaminated in the gathering (not in my case) or [2] is carrying the bacteria from inside the bladder.

Did you take the antibiotics and did they work?

Yes I did and my follow-up urine test was clear.

modified to remove the bold - oops on my part.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Julia February 26, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
Hmmmmmm...... Good to know, I guess I should go ahead and get the other test then. Bummer. I hope she doesn't gave to go on antibiotics. It seems like if I just never would have taken her in for this well-check we never would have known and it probably would have been fine. Thanks, SarahK!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: MamaSong February 26, 2008, 09:46:18 AM
I guess I'm wondering if I should even get her urine analyzed for infection again. How will I even know if my treatments have worked if she has had no symptoms in the first place? But then I'm afraid that if I don't know for sure that it's gone, this "ghost UTI" could spread and become a "ghost kidney infection."

There are a lot of things that could cause blood in urine, from harmless to very serious.  My dad always tested positive for blood in his urine and he was diagnosed with "benign hematuria".  However, UTI is the most common cause of blood in urine, so of course, your doctor's office is going to suspect that first.  And the fact that she had leukocytes in her urine could mean UTI, or it could be another infection.

If it was one of my kids, I think I would push the water and either NOT treat for infection or just start a slow regimen (like a cranberry capsule/day), unless she started showing symptoms before then.  Then I would get another sample to the doctor.  IF the sample tested positive for infection, then I would start the home treatment, following up with another test to see if it's gone.  (If she tests positive, the doctor's office will want to put her on antibiotics and have her re-tested anyway...you don't have to do the antibiotics, but you could have her retested)

If the sample was negative for infection (or if there was the same amount of leukocytes), I would push for them to do more tests.  It could be benign, but I would try to cover all the bases just in case.

Okay...tried to post, but other responses have been added...from what I gather from your post, the doctor's office didn't say she actually had bacteria in her urine sample, just blood, and then leukocytes.  It still could be something other than a UTI...
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: deanncline March 31, 2008, 05:25:03 PM
Hi,
This is my first time posting so please forgive any mistakes I make.

For the last three days my 5 yo daughter has been complaining that it hurts to urinate and that she has an achy pain "down below." Saturday I bought 100% cranberry juice and she has been drinking about 3-4 cups of that a day along with a 1/2 tsp. of pharmaceutical grade colloidal silver. She has not improved much.  Is there something else I can give her to clear this up or do I need to take her to the allopathic doctor and put her on antibiotics?

Thank you for the advice.
DeAnn
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom March 31, 2008, 06:10:43 PM
Hi,
This is my first time posting so please forgive any mistakes I make.

For the last three days my 5 yo daughter has been complaining that it hurts to urinate and that she has an achy pain "down below." Saturday I bought 100% cranberry juice and she has been drinking about 3-4 cups of that a day along with a 1/2 tsp. of pharmaceutical grade colloidal silver. She has not improved much.  Is there something else I can give her to clear this up or do I need to take her to the allopathic doctor and put her on antibiotics?

Thank you for the advice.
DeAnn

Yes!!  We just found out something natural for our daughter who had nonstop UTI's for almost 6 months.  It's called Mannose.  Google it and order if off the web.  You might be able to find it at a HFS.  The directions for how much to take for an active infection are with it.  This stuff is wonderful!  My daughter (whom they think has urinary reflux) has been antibiotic free for several months now as a result of this stuff.  If you order if off the web, pay for overnight shipping.  It's cheaper then a doctor's visit and healthier then an antibiotic.  Also, go back through this thread and make her the onion soup recipe that I posted a long time ago.  You can start her on that right now.  The stuff in mannose is the same stuff that's in cranberry juice, it's just more concentrated.  That substance (the name escapes me) binds to the bacteria and flushes it out.  Are you giving her cranberry cocktail juice or Just Cranberry juice (no sugar added?).  If you can get Just Cranberry Juice and mix it with natural apple juice (not frozen concentrate) she'll tolerate it and then the real cranberry juice might work better.  Cocktail juice won't cut it.  Do be very careful.  UTI's can go into the kidneys and then you'll have no choice but to give her abx's as that can go into her blood (been there, done that, spent time in the hosp. for it). 

hth

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: MamaSong March 31, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
Welcome to the forum!  Here's a thread with a lot of ideas:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2367.0.html


Merged
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: deanncline March 31, 2008, 07:29:41 PM
Thank you, Patti, for your quick reply. In the morning I will call the HFS to see if they carry the NOW D-Mannose. If not, I'll order on-line and pay for overnight shipping (which costs more than the powder!). How often and in what manner do you administer the powder so your daughter will take it?

My daughter had a Wilm's tumor when she was 2 so she only has one kidney. Thank you for letting me know that the infection (I am guessing it is a UTI) could affect her kidney if it isn't controlled.  We cannot let that happen. I hope the D-Mannose works quickly.

I bought 100% cranberry juice, no sugar added, not a cocktail juice. But it doesn't seem to be working.  :(

I'll let you know what happens.  God bless!
DeAnn
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Simply Kristen April 01, 2008, 03:40:07 AM
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2367.0.html
Read the above (it's 6 pages about UTIs)  :)

And yes, UTI infections can travel quickly to Kidneys.

Here is what I think is great for UTIs: (specific plan)
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2367.msg122480.html#msg122480
This is my proven method:
(if it is written weirdly it was in email form)

Yesterday a family member woke up with a UTI. She was SCREAMING when she peed and in pain even while not urinating. :-(
I almost called a doctor right then.

Instead, I decided to immediately start treatment and go to a doc later if she didn't improve (for antibiotics).
I did this:
No processed food
No Sugar
No Wheat products
No Diary
No Meat
 ----All these things can be healthy.....they just take some of the body's resources to process....or they create mucous. Neither of which I wanted right then.

I Gave Her:
Lots of Water
Pure Cranberry Juice (no sugar, not from concentrate). I mixed this with warm water and honey to sweeten and lessen the taste
Blueberries
Strawberries
Brown Rice
Chicken Stew (broth, peas, carrots, potatoes) .I have this homemade in the freezer for these purposes. (SICKNESS)

Other Treatments/ Non-food stuff
-Raw Garlic and Honey on Spoon (garlic kills bacteria and is amazing!!! check this out: http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/fileadmin/template/Calendar/2006/Herbal_Lessons/Garlic2.pdf
-Tummy Tune Up and Honey on Spoon (Tummy Tune Up is a good bacteria that helps fight the bad stuff. Our bodies need this! It's what you find in yogurt and other cultured/fermented foods)
http://www.beeyoutiful.com/goodness/product_info.php/products_id/6
-I also rubbed her down with coconut oil and garlic for about 45 minutes----Singing and Massaging to help increase circulation, decrease pain, uplift mood, and get more garlic in her system.

She took a nap around noon and woke up at 2:30.
Was still a little uncomfortable peeing still.

Then, at 5pm she was peeing with NO pain.....After that she was totally normal.
I'm still treating today with diet and probiotics (tummy tune up).

Will maintain diet for 2-3 days.

I think the key things were:
Total Diet change (boosted her body and let it ONLY focus on fighting the illness)
Cranberry Juice
Garlic/Probiotics

Not relying on an antibiotic did 2 things:

1. Taught her body to fight the bacteria. She will be much stronger in the long run!
2. Avoided unpleasant and possibly long term side effects of antibiotics------Killing off good bacteria in her system, yeast, fungus, stomach troubles, not being able to fight off the next infection, etc.

The Book I learned most of this in: ABC Herbal and many others. Email me back if interested in the rest.
Website: www.WellTellMe.com
I'm also talking about all this stuff in a podcast: www.backtobasicspodcast.com


BTW, in my opinion you can't do this halfway. You can't lean on herbs and then put junk in your mouth......

: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma April 01, 2008, 03:47:40 AM
My DD had a UTI I did close to what Kristen did. DON"T QUIT TO SOON!!!!

Just because the pain is gone doesn't mean she is healed. The pain will really come back if you do not do this for several days.

Emily
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mexmarr April 02, 2008, 02:39:54 AM
My 10 month old daughter has had high fevers for over 2 days now.  I didn't even consider the possibility of  UTI but enough people have suggested it that I should consider it.  The only symptom would be the fever.  It gets real high.  I get it down to 100-102 for a while.  It goes back up.  Repeat cycle all day.

I don't see any other symptoms that would make me think, "UTI", but people` are telling me that their dds didn't either, and I want to consider any possibility.  I haven't noticed any pain while urinating (not that I have caught her doing it, though.) As long as the fever is under 102, she is fairly happy.  She doesn't seem to be in any pain, though she is congested now.

I thought that the main way for a little girl to get a UTI was either from sitting in soapy water of wiping from back to front.  She is obviously in diapers, so she doesn't wipe.  And she HATES baths so I usually do quick sponge baths.  She probably sits in the water 2x a month, and those are quickies.  So, I don't see that soapy water would likely be a cause.

 Is there another way my dd could have contracted one?  How would you treat a UTI in one so little?

I have chewable cranberry pills.  I crushes one for her last night and am about to do another.  I figure if she doesn't have one, it wouldn't hurt, and if it does, it would help.  I am also giving vit C and doing garlic compresses.

I'd appreciate all opinions!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jaemom April 02, 2008, 03:20:13 AM
If you can get fresh or frozen blueberries, they would help if it is a UTI.  Also I'd do probiotics, lots of water, and no sugar. 

My only other thought is are you sure it's not an ear infection?  I've had little ones run a fever with no other symptoms, no ear pulling or anything, only to take them to the dr and find out they have one.  I'd treat for both and see if that helps. 

One more thing, if she starts running a high fever that you can't get down, take her in.  My dd had a UTI that ended with kidney infection.  It almost landed her in the hospital.  That can go south fairly quickly.  Keep us posted.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma April 02, 2008, 03:21:21 AM
Drinking Cranberry juice. Eating blueberries lots of water. Kristen posted above follow that as much as you can. She is young so I don't know how much she eats of solids. Probiotics would be good if you can do that.

If I think of anything else I will let you know. Praying for her.

Emily
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jaemom April 02, 2008, 03:25:15 AM
Drinking Cranberry juice. Eating blueberries lots of water. Kristen posted above follow that as much as you can. She is young so I don't know how much she eats of solids. Probiotics would be good if you can do that.

If I think of anything else I will let you know. Praying for her.

Emily

I agree about the solids.  If your body doesn't have to process solid food when it is sick, then it can divert more energy to getting you well.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: lovingmomof2 April 02, 2008, 03:42:02 AM
My 10 month old daughter has had high fevers for over 2 days now.  I didn't even consider the possibility of  UTI but enough people have suggested it that I should consider it.  The only symptom would be the fever.  It gets real high.  I get it down to 100-102 for a while.  It goes back up.  Repeat cycle all day.

I don't see any other symptoms that would make me think, "UTI", but people` are telling me that their dds didn't either, and I want to consider any possibility.  I haven't noticed any pain while urinating (not that I have caught her doing it, though.) As long as the fever is under 102, she is fairly happy.  She doesn't seem to be in any pain, though she is congested now.

I thought that the main way for a little girl to get a UTI was either from sitting in soapy water of wiping from back to front.  She is obviously in diapers, so she doesn't wipe.  And she HATES baths so I usually do quick sponge baths.  She probably sits in the water 2x a month, and those are quickies.  So, I don't see that soapy water would likely be a cause.

 Is there another way my dd could have contracted one?  How would you treat a UTI in one so little?

I have chewable cranberry pills.  I crushes one for her last night and am about to do another.  I figure if she doesn't have one, it wouldn't hurt, and if it does, it would help.  I am also giving vit C and doing garlic compresses.

I'd appreciate all opinions!

My dd had a high fever this past weekend, it lasted F, S, S and a low fever on Monday.  I gave her Berrywell 2x a day and I treated her for an ear infection (no symptoms),  I also put GOOT on her feet.  Other than her having a fever there were no other symptoms.  When her fever reached 102.5 or higher she would just sleep, otherwise she was happy and content just didn't play as much.  I am still not sure what it was.

I have had UTI's while pregnant with no symptoms.  Antibiotics were not getting rid of it, I used garlic and honey several times a day, oreganol oil several times a day and probiotic and lots and lots of water.  That was what finally got rid of it for me.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: moepigtails April 02, 2008, 04:06:41 AM
I dont know where you are, but my are in Iowa has strep throat running around like mad. My 8 yr old ds has it, no sore throat, just fever and a headache. I thought it was a UTI as he gets them frequently due to be catheterized 4x a day. Took him to the dr to have it checked & tested for strep since its going around, no UTI, just strep. Oh also just remembered seeing at the pharmacy UTI test strip kits. That might help determin what it is if you can get a sample, that could be tricky. They were located near the Urostat in the feminine hygine area. i'm thinking of checking them out to see how well they work. HTH
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom April 02, 2008, 04:19:13 AM
Mexmarr,

Babies can get UTI's for any number of reasons, not just the ones you stated.  If a baby has a UTI they generally look at urinary reflux as a possibiliity.  For my daughter who spent 6 months on abxs it ended up being caused by constipation.  They can just get one because the e-coli in their UT gets out of hand.  There are as many reasons as their are drugs to treat them.  The only way you are going to know is by having her urine tested.  My biggest concern is that a UTI is not likley to cause this high of a fever unless it's already moved into her kidneys.  I'm not trying to scare you, just really wanting you to get her checked.  Once an infection is in the kidneys it will go into the blood stream very fast which is very dangerous.  If there's anyway your hub could at least take her and get her checked it would be worth it.  The other thing is, I don't know of anything natural that can kick a kidney infection fast enough to prevent them from being damaged.  This may be a case where you seriously have to consider abx if it's already into her kidneys.  Oh!  I just thought of one way you could test to see if it's gone into her kidneys.  Put your hands on the lower left and right of her back where her kidneys are.  Push in some and see if she responds.  If she winces or cries, she's got a kidney infection.  If she doesn't, she still likely has a UTI that hasn't gotten into her kidneys yet (which is a good thing!).

god bless,

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mexmarr April 02, 2008, 04:29:29 AM
  Oh!  I just thought of one way you could test to see if it's gone into her kidneys.  Put your hands on the lower left and right of her back where her kidneys are.  Push in some and see if she responds.  If she winces or cries, she's got a kidney infection.  If she doesn't, she still likely has a UTI that hasn't gotten into her kidneys yet (which is a good thing!).

god bless,

patti

I am not 100% sure where the kidney are located, though I have a general idea.  I pushed in some all around the area. 

No wincing.  She actually enjoyed it, lol.  So that is a good sign.  How in the worls do you collect the urine of a 10 month old??  Could I just pinch one of those test strips in a fresh wet diaper?

The fever didn't quite reach 103 last night, so that is an improvement.  The garlic poultices seem to be helping, imo.

My dd does eat a little solids, so I might get her to eat bluberries, if I blend them.  May be mix with some yogurt.  Would you think that it was urgent enough to calll a friend to go buy me some, or would it be fine to wait until my dh gets home from work? Like I mentioned I am giving her the Cranberry tablets, already.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma April 02, 2008, 04:43:34 AM
I think that if you give her the cranberry tablets and plenty of water the rest an wait til your man gets home. If she is in a lot of pain though I would not wait. Can you get garlic in her some how? This has to be so hard since you are not supposed to get up!

  For  garlic poultice just put a clove or two on a rag. Smash it. Fold it up so it will not fall out. Dip it in hot water ring out the water ( leave a little wet) then put on bottomof her feet and I would put it on her low part of her stomach. Each for like 30 to 60 seconds.

Emily
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: blessedmama April 02, 2008, 06:40:24 AM
My dd had a bladder infection when she was around 5 ish, we were told to give her lots of liquids whatever we could get down her and they gave her antibiotics, however that was 8 years ago and I would do things much differently now except pushing the fluids and doing the garlic poultice.  HTH  :-\
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mexmarr April 02, 2008, 06:44:36 AM
I am also giving her echinecea.  Since that is a natural antibiotic, I assume that it would help a UTI if she does have one. 

To be honest, I am not really convince that she does, but since I am willing to treat her naturally just in case. 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt April 02, 2008, 09:04:06 AM
My 10 month old daughter has had high fevers for over 2 days now.  I didn't even consider the possibility of  UTI but enough people have suggested it that I should consider it.  The only symptom would be the fever.  It gets real high.  I get it down to 100-102 for a while.  It goes back up.  Repeat cycle all day.

I don't see any other symptoms that would make me think, "UTI", but people` are telling me that their dds didn't either, and I want to consider any possibility.  I haven't noticed any pain while urinating (not that I have caught her doing it, though.) As long as the fever is under 102, she is fairly happy.  She doesn't seem to be in any pain, though she is congested now.

I thought that the main way for a little girl to get a UTI was either from sitting in soapy water of wiping from back to front.  She is obviously in diapers, so she doesn't wipe.  And she HATES baths so I usually do quick sponge baths.  She probably sits in the water 2x a month, and those are quickies.  So, I don't see that soapy water would likely be a cause.

 Is there another way my dd could have contracted one?  How would you treat a UTI in one so little?

I have chewable cranberry pills.  I crushes one for her last night and am about to do another.  I figure if she doesn't have one, it wouldn't hurt, and if it does, it would help.  I am also giving vit C and doing garlic compresses.

I'd appreciate all opinions!
Wiping backwards and wearing poop would amount to the same thing.  If she's wearing diapers then the bacteria from the feces can come into contact with the urethra very easily.  My DD has had these high fevers with UTI.  The only way we were able to have it diagnosed was via catheter in the ER.  Her fever was 104+ and no other symptoms.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: deanncline April 08, 2008, 03:02:03 PM
I just wanted to let you know that I bought the Now brand D-Mannose powder and gave 1/2 tsp. to my 5 yo daughter twice a day for a week.  I also gave her 100% cranberry juice (no sugar, etc.) sweetened with liquid stevia (otherwise it's too tart for her) and had her eat plain blueberries which I had frozen.  Within a couple of days she said she no longer felt any pain.  She has been just fine for a week now.  Thanks a bunch!

DeAnn
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom April 08, 2008, 04:29:59 PM
I just wanted to let you know that I bought the Now brand D-Mannose powder and gave 1/2 tsp. to my 5 yo daughter twice a day for a week.  I also gave her 100% cranberry juice (no sugar, etc.) sweetened with liquid stevia (otherwise it's too tart for her) and had her eat plain blueberries which I had frozen.  Within a couple of days she said she no longer felt any pain.  She has been just fine for a week now.  Thanks a bunch!

DeAnn

Hey DeAnn!  I'm so glad that worked for you!  Isn't that stuff great?  I just now saw the note you posted awhile ago about ordering it.  Yeah, shipping is spendy, but it's worth it when you need it right away.  Keep the mannose handy - just in case you need it again.  So glad to hear your dd is doing well.  Make sure that when she's wiping she's going front to back because that's *usually* the cause of UTI's for a child.  We even went back to wiping our 6yr old for awhile just to make sure she wasn't aggravating the issue. 

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jphifers April 09, 2008, 05:01:18 PM
I used to get bladder infections regularly for years.  After antibiotics, I often still have symptoms of the UTI until...

I met a Christin RN who turned to holistic medicine. She tested me by having me hold various glass vials that had different types of bacteria and found that I no longer had an infection but my bladder/uritha was INFLAMED.  She then did the treatment (something that consists of a magnetic something???)  In 24 hours I was well.  Cost?  $40. And I haven't had an infection since.

I don't really know how to explain "holistic" medicine, but I do know it works and you don't have to believe it in order for it to work.  The treatment causes your body to get back on track and fight for its self.

The website of the lady that helped me is: www.ajourneytohealth.net.

S.Phifer


: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BJ_BOBBI_JO April 09, 2008, 06:02:31 PM
found that I no longer had an infection but my bladder/uritha was INFLAMED. 

Thats interesting cause I believe it to be more common  then what we think. Also I'm thinking certain foods, drinks also can make that  inflammed. I know there has been many times I thought I had a UTI and then it suddenly went away with no intervention which tells me it must have been inflammed for whatever reason.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: tjl731 April 30, 2008, 03:22:49 AM
Hi all!

So, my son, 20 months old, has the kidney "reflux" that you are all have mentioned on this thread. Because of this, any time he gets a fever I am so worried it is a kidney infection. So here is the situation as of the last few days:

Last Wednesday I got a cold or some kind of bug where I had a fever (our thermometer is broken so I don't know what temp) for a couple of days. One night in particular I had very bad chills. This was accompanied by a disgusting amount of congestion and over all yuckiness. I slept a lot, and it was pretty much gone in a few days. Although I'm still looking like Rudolph over here from blowing my nose!

My son a few days later developed a pretty high fever, again our thermometer went weird so I haven't been able to get a for sure temp. It will go away for periods during the day and then return with a vengence. One afternoon in specific he had chills pretty bad, although I had just returned from taking him swimming. (A mistake probably I know...)

His appetite has decreased a bit, and he frequently "grabs himself" throughout the day, although it doesn't seem to be pain. (He has been doing this for a month or more now... he hates diapers.)

Other than that he is pretty much his normal self. He slept a lot yesterday but he is laughing and running and playing at about 90%.

He is also working on at least two more teeth that I can see starting to push through right now.

I am so lost... I don't want to run him to the doc for a variety of reasons, the most practical being we don't have insurance, just to have them tell me nothing. But I don't want to let a UTI or a bladder infection just linger.

???????
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: lovetolearn May 02, 2008, 01:27:17 AM
Ok, so I think I have a UTI but I don't know.  I don't have a fever and I don't feel super crummy BUT I have mild abdominal discomfort (could be worse than I realize, I have an insane pain-tolerance at times), I have felt like I need to pee for the last several hours (I go but there's not much there) but I have no difficulty going.  The thing I notice most is that I feel like I stop mid-stream.  What do you think?  I'm starting garlic, vit c, cranberry caps all right now but if this sounds like something different I'd like to treat it more specifically...  You all are so great BTW- I can't thank God enough for you!!!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma May 02, 2008, 02:31:58 AM
TJL731,

Personally I would treat as above. Ithink it was KristenA who has a good easy to follow post. And keep it up for 2 days after all symptoms are gone to ensure it is over. If things do not improve the doctor may be your option. But I really think this should help.

Emily
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Roehrmomma May 02, 2008, 02:33:11 AM
Ok, so I think I have a UTI but I don't know.  I don't have a fever and I don't feel super crummy BUT I have mild abdominal discomfort (could be worse than I realize, I have an insane pain-tolerance at times), I have felt like I need to pee for the last several hours (I go but there's not much there) but I have no difficulty going.  The thing I notice most is that I feel like I stop mid-stream.  What do you think?  I'm starting garlic, vit c, cranberry caps all right now but if this sounds like something different I'd like to treat it more specifically...  You all are so great BTW- I can't thank God enough for you!!!

Sounds like a uti to me in the first stages. Keep up your stuff and tons of water.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: grocerygetter May 28, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
So, my midwife called today to tell me I have a UTI. Here's my situation: I've been preggo twice back to back over the last two years. It seems everytime over the last two years that they've tested my urine for any reason they call and say I have a UTI. Only once were my symptoms such that I figured it out first. So, should I take the antibiotic and then regularly take Vit C/Cranberry caps from More Than Alive to try and ward these off? Why do I keep getting them, but not bad enough that I show any symptoms??
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: jenibee May 28, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
I've had this happen before - a mystery "phantom" UTI that doesn't bother me...  No clue why.  But I'd try to fight it off without the antibiotics, if I were you - if you're healthy and give your body plenty of support (i.e., lots of water and vitamin C), your body should be able to fight it off without any "outside help."  I like to use the cranberry concentrate pills as well, but that's certainly optional.  Your baby (and you!) will be better off in the long run if you fight it off without any antibiotics.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: my3kidsmom May 29, 2008, 05:39:12 AM
I don't know if anyonw here has ever heard of or tried this, but my sister recently had a UTI and  another friend of our who is into treating things naturally told us that if you take (I can't remmember if it is 1 teaspoon, or 1 tablespoon) of real sea salt in a glass of water, your UTI should be gone within 24 hours. It has to be the real stuff, not the bleached sea salt. It needs to have color in it.

I tried it, it is very disgusting! But, it is supposed to kill the bacteria, and if you find that it works for you, it is a whole lot cheaper than anything else. My friend told me that it is a lot more effective than cranberry juice or other popular methods. My sister got rid of her infection anyway so I thought I would throw the idea out there for someone else to try to.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: petrimama May 29, 2008, 09:36:21 AM
I love the ideas on this thread and I plan to try them myself next time I have a UTI, but I wanted to add something:
  About a week after treating a UTI, you should always have your urine tested at a lab to be sure it has cleared up completely.
  UTI's can become very dangerous and spread quickly if not completely wiped out.  I have seen many people come into the urgent care facility because they improperly treated one or didn't treat it long enough.  My grandmother just died in November because of a UTI that went undiagnosed for too long and spread to her kidneys, causing them to shut down despite the hospital's best efforts.  I am just trying to point out that these are not to be taken lightly because a very mild infection can become very serious without much warning.     ~L
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: grocerygetter May 29, 2008, 09:38:16 AM
Thanks for the reminder :) My mom always told me the same thing!

Just for an update I decided to go ahead and take the antibiotic and take extra probiotics during the day also. I'm not currently preggo or nursing so I felt like I should do it this once to completely get rid of the infection quickly. In the meantime and future I will just periodically (maybe not every day, but regularly none the less) take vit c or cranberry crush.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: healthybratt May 31, 2008, 04:16:10 PM
I am writing on behalf of my mom. 
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If the conversation triggers a new subject of interest, please search the forum for a more appropriate thread for the discussion.

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When one cannot be found, start a new one.

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Thanks.

~hb
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom May 31, 2008, 05:21:44 PM
Thanks for the reminder :) My mom always told me the same thing!

Just for an update I decided to go ahead and take the antibiotic and take extra probiotics during the day also. I'm not currently preggo or nursing so I felt like I should do it this once to completely get rid of the infection quickly. In the meantime and future I will just periodically (maybe not every day, but regularly none the less) take vit c or cranberry crush.

As an aside, if you do ever get a UTI again, I would highly recommend something called D-Mannose or just mannose.  It's a powder that you take 3-4 times a day during an active infection.  It heals great and doesn't do the damage that antibiotics do. 

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: carolina girl June 26, 2008, 08:14:58 AM
This is the first time I have ever treated anything naturally without antibiotic and been successful!  WOO HOO! :D ;D :D

Yesterday morning, I woke up with a UTI /caught it very early on and started chugging the cranberry juice and water.  I probably drank 1 1/2 gallons all day yesterday and almost a full gallon already today.

I ate a lot of blueberries (thanks to this site)

I boiled a bunch of asparagus, ate all of those and then drank the broth - much better tasting than I would have thought.

I drank two cups of pua d'a ladida tea (can't remember the name)

I didn't really eat anything else until lunch today.

I woke up this morning and still had some of the yucky feeling, so I drank a lot more cranberry juice and by 11 am, I was feeling back to normal.

Just wanted to let everyone know that it can and will work if you stick with it.

I even broke down this morning and had the Dr. call me in a Rx, but I don't need to go pick it up now!  :D
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: wlwest July 15, 2008, 09:42:53 AM
Hi.  I'm not sure if dh may have this or not?  Can guys/boys get these?  I know my son had trouble and had to have surgery, he had urethral stenosis when he was around 3. 

Anyway, dh says he has been going to the bathroom every few minutes, burning, and not much coming out.  I'm assuming that it must be uti, or something like that.

i'm going to pick up some cranberry juice, and blueberries for him later today.  Just wanted to make sure that this is what it is?

Thanks
Wendy
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: wlwest July 15, 2008, 04:31:12 PM
Ok, now his symptoms include blood in urine, clots??  I'm a little nervous about this.  He said he won't go to the doctor until after tomorrow(son's b-day tomorrow)  He's been eating blueberries and cranberry juice.

Any help?  I searched the site but couldn't find a whole lot of info, except for maybe kidney stones??

Thanks
Wendy
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: hi_itsgwen July 15, 2008, 06:25:29 PM
I'm praying for you! 

This is out of my league, but my first guess would be kidney stones, but you may want to do some searches under prostate swelling...just a guess?  A simple urine test should tell the Dr. what he needs to know.

There is nothing more pitiful and stubborn than a sick man :) 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: wlwest July 16, 2008, 04:28:37 AM
 ;D  You got that right!  I think I just may call the dr today to make an appt for tomorrow.

I'll keep looking for more info too.

wendy
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: blessedx2 July 23, 2008, 04:45:16 AM
5 year old dd peed this morning, ate breakfast, peed again and said it burned.  UH OH!

I opened up my cranberry tabs and mixed 3 of them with water.  They didn't mix well.  So I opened up 3 more and mixed the powder with a baby-sized spoon of honey.  I also gave her a 16 oz bottle of water to drink.  She's still working on that.

I came to this site to see what else I should do.  Well, I just so happened to have fresh blueberries in the fridge.  She's eating them now like candy.  :)

The cranberry tabs I have also have blueberry and grapefruit seed and vitamin C.  In a while, I'll also open up a probiotic tab and mix it in a baby spoon of honey.

What's really cool about this is how excited dd is "cure" herself.  I explain to her why we're doing what we're doing, and it makes her feel like a big girl to be in the know, and to almost be treating herself. 

Thanks for posting remedies for this subject.  All I ever did to treat myself was cranberry tabs and tons of water.  But now I feel like I'm attacking this from different angles, and that makes me feel good.   :)
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: dara August 12, 2008, 05:13:17 AM
I feel like I have discovered a new miracle!
About a month ago, I was slammed with a really bad UTI/kidney infection that knocked me off my feet within 24 hours. I tried all the usual treatments- thousands of miligrams of cranberry, vitamin C, drinking gallons of water, taking 'Immune Awake', making the nastiest tasting herbal anti-biotic decoction I could, etc., all to no avail. It got worse within hours with a spiking fever and I began to throw up even water. I knew if I couldn't drink, I couldn't get better, so since DH was too worn out to be my 'doctor' around the clock (and my mom was out of town) I did go to the doctor for a minimum dose of antibiotic (for the first time in my adult life) to get it under control. That worked for the 5 days I was on it, and then it started coming back. Again the water, Vit. C, and cranberry seemed to have no effect, so in desperation, I started searching the internet again, and discovered D-Mannose! Here is a link to describe what it is: http://www.mercola.com/forms/dmannose.htm  (http://www.mercola.com/forms/dmannose.htm) I immediately went to the health food store for some (I got the powder), and within hours I could tell a difference! I continued to take it for a few days, and then occassionally after that, and now keep some in the cupboard at all times. My DH had occassion to try it a couple weeks later (he usually toughed UTIs out by drinking and taking cranberry) and said it was the fastest, most amazing treatment he ever tried. I'm sold!
Just wanted to share that with you guys!
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: blondiegreen August 12, 2008, 05:40:56 AM
I had surgery last year to remove kidney stones, and I think I am quite prone to them. Do you think this product would  help fight off stones? Is it good to take everyday as a preventative? Or is it better to take when you have an infection? Would it help dissolve stones?
Besides drinking gallons of water, I would like a natural product to help dissolve and keep kidney stones at bay.
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: mykidsmom August 12, 2008, 06:08:41 AM
I had surgery last year to remove kidney stones, and I think I am quite prone to them. Do you think this product would  help fight off stones? Is it good to take everyday as a preventative? Or is it better to take when you have an infection? Would it help dissolve stones?
Besides drinking gallons of water, I would like a natural product to help dissolve and keep kidney stones at bay.


Mannose won't work for preventing stones but it is excellent for preventing UTI's.  We give it to my 7yr old daily.  For stones you might consider lemon juice in 8oz. of water every morning.  It's supposed to be a great way to keep stones at bay. 

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: ShawnaMarie December 15, 2008, 01:21:42 PM
A couple of weeks ago, I started having urgency and a little bit of burning so I drank a lot of water and it went away.  I assumed it was the beginning of a UTI.  We moved a little over a week ago, and around that time I started again with the urgency.  I got some cranberry pills and they really helped.  The urgency went away.  But, I have to take one every day or it comes back.  Is it okay to take them every day?  Is this usual?  I have only ever had one other UTI, and that was earlier this year and was taken care of within a day by water and cranberry juice.  Thanks!
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: mykidsmom December 15, 2008, 04:24:04 PM
A couple of weeks ago, I started having urgency and a little bit of burning so I drank a lot of water and it went away.  I assumed it was the beginning of a UTI.  We moved a little over a week ago, and around that time I started again with the urgency.  I got some cranberry pills and they really helped.  The urgency went away.  But, I have to take one every day or it comes back.  Is it okay to take them every day?  Is this usual?  I have only ever had one other UTI, and that was earlier this year and was taken care of within a day by water and cranberry juice.  Thanks!

This sounds like it could possibly be interstitial cystitis.  There is a thread on here about IC.  I would read through that thread and see if the symptoms match.  If you do not have an active infection but you have these symptoms then it is likely IC. 

patti
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: ShawnaMarie December 16, 2008, 09:10:44 AM
I guess the only real symptom that I have is urgency.  From what I read on the thread, although I may have misunderstood, cranberry doesn't help IC?  But it does help me.  Is it just treating the symptoms and not the real problem?  I don't have health insurance and we cannot afford the ND so can you tell me how they usually diagnose this.  Are there more things to look for?  It seemed like it was different for every person!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom December 16, 2008, 10:09:33 AM
I guess the only real symptom that I have is urgency.  From what I read on the thread, although I may have misunderstood, cranberry doesn't help IC?  But it does help me.  Is it just treating the symptoms and not the real problem?  I don't have health insurance and we cannot afford the ND so can you tell me how they usually diagnose this.  Are there more things to look for?  It seemed like it was different for every person!

IC has many symptoms for some people and only one for others.  The only symptom I have is urgency.  And sometimes, if you catch IC in its infancy, cranberry can help.  For me in the beginning, it made me worse.  But that's the thing with IC.  Everyone is different. 

A diagnosis of IC from a doctor is usually made as they eliminate possible infections, etc.  I refused all the testing because it actually damages the bladder more.  IC is an autoimmune disease.  Most autoimmune diseases are caused by a toxic body.  So the place to start is GENTLE liver cleansing.  I caps the gentle because if you go whole hog into it you will aggravate your bladder symptoms.  Also, watch what you eat and see if it effects your urgency level.  If I eat sugar, caffeine, etc. I have horrible urgency starting very early in the day.  If I keep my diet clean I do much better until the early evening.  My worst time is sleeping at night.  It used to be I had to take pain meds in the early afternoon and before bed.  Now I can take them around 9:00pm and go all night.  For me, that's a huge improvement.  But it's taken me a long time to get here.  Stress also affects my bladder.

If the cranberry works for you then stick with it.  Also, drink LOTS of water.  That will help flush the body of toxins.  Bottom line, you'll need to start liver/body cleansing and taking note of what foods aggravate your symptoms.  I do believe IC can be healed but not by any MD's standards or methods. 

patti
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: ShawnaMarie December 17, 2008, 08:26:51 AM
Thanks for the info!  Can you recommend a cleanse?  I have never done one before.  Oh, and I wondered if you have the symptoms all the time?  Did you when it started?
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: healthybratt December 17, 2008, 08:51:42 AM
Thanks for the info!  Can you recommend a cleanse?  I have never done one before.  Oh, and I wondered if you have the symptoms all the time?  Did you when it started?
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,637.0.html
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: mykidsmom December 17, 2008, 09:11:20 AM
Thanks for the info!  Can you recommend a cleanse?  I have never done one before.  Oh, and I wondered if you have the symptoms all the time?  Did you when it started?

I started by using teas first because they are gentle on the bladder.  I used marshmellow root tea, slippery elm tea, and traditional medicinals liver detox tea.  The first two are muciliages which will help to heal the bladder lining.  The last is a detox tea. If you handle that well you could move on to something like the master cleanse, the water cure, or any of those.  The key is if you start having horrible symptoms during a cleanse to stop it and slow down because you'll cause more damage to your bladder.  As I have gotten better I have gone on to the stronger cleanses like Bielers Broth, etc.  I also find that drinking LOTS of water minimizes my symptoms.  Also staying away from all things sugar.  Even natural sweetners. 

When I started I had symptoms all the time that worsened at night.  Now I only have symptoms at night when I try to lay down and sleep.  I usually take pain pills around 7:00 or 9:00 because once the urgency starts for me it takes hours to get it to go away.  I'm to the point now where I only need to make it from about 11:0pm to 7:00am the next day and I'll be pain pill free.  But it's been a long haul getting there.  I used to have to start taking pain pills around 3:00 in the afternoon. 

hth

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: HOMEFree February 05, 2009, 08:11:10 PM

My 2 1/2 yr old girly has been potty training seriously for the last two weeks or so.
The last few days she started showing a bit of symptoms that caused me to think she had an UTI. Today confirmed it when she started complaining about her "part" hurting. She also has been running to the toilet very frequently, often witin 5 minutes of having just been there.

On this thread I have read much about cranberry, blueberries and swallowing garlic.

I can see getting blueberries into a 2 year old... but a lot of them will constipate, maybe people here do not know that.

How on earth are you getting a little one like 2 years old to take garlic or cranberry? 
Cranberry is so bitter even with help. I cook with lots of garlic already, but trying to get her to take it straight or near straight? I just do not think it is a reality.

Would this be one of those cases where a doctor call or visit is warranted?

Thanks!
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: herbalmom February 05, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
Parsley/mint tea- my kids would have drank it at 2. They did drink mint tea (hot or iced) at 2, we just never had anything come up that needed parsley when they were that age but mint covers it well.

As far as cranberry,

One way to keep cranberries is to grind them, mix in just enough honey to make them palatable, & freeze in straight sided canning jars in small amounts. This can be eaten straight or mixed w/yogurt for bladder/kidney infections. It could be taken daily as a preventive as well. Pureeing them in the Vita Mix & freezing it would be good too. You might think about freezing it in ice cubes or 1/2 cup canning jars b/c I don't think you would use much at any give time. Cranberry juice sold in the store is about 75% water so your puree would be like a concentrate. Ether way would take less room than whole berries. Let us know what you do. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

As far as garlic, I started making this when our youngest was around 5 & didn't have any problem getting him to take it. I think any of my kids would have taken it at 2.

A good way to get garlic down is to use a garlic press on a bunch, mix w/honey & give it by the spoonful. Make a jar of it & KEEP IT IN THE FRIDGE. My kids ask me to make this every time they're sick 'cause they know it helps & the honey ;D cuts the bite of the garlic. :o You might notice that the honey thins out after it sits awhile- this is normal- the honey pulls the juice out of the garlic just like sugar does w/strawberries. HTH

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: HOMEFree February 07, 2009, 04:54:03 PM

Thanks!

I thought of a good trick for toddlers...

Craisins!
You know the dried cranberries that have been sweetened? I know it has sugar, but you gotta weigh the benefits here! My 2 yr old ate about 1/4 cup over a few hours- thats a lot of cranberry for someone that size.

Also, I was make kefir and blueberry smoothies. She loved that too.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BensJen March 08, 2009, 09:53:33 AM
I'm looking for a quick answer here, so -I know this is a no-no!- but I only glanced through this thread and am skipping to asking my question right away! (sorry! I'm a preggo/morning sick mama with a very crabby baby and no time to read more at the moment.) So, if you know my question is answered well somewhere above, please driect me to it! :)

Okay, here's our problem: My 17-month-old dd has had a moderate fever (102-103) for over 2 days now. She is incredibly fussy, will not eat more than a bite of anything we offer her (even favorite foods, like applesauce or yogurt), and seems very bothered by her diaper area. She acts like she has a severe diaper rash, but there's no rash at all. Everything looks normal. Something else, that may not be related (?), is that right when this all started she also got three awful looking sores on and near her mouth. She's never had anything like that before, though I had a cold sore about a week ago and she may have caught it somehow? (like I said, might not be related)

We're thinking it's a UTI and have given her blueberries. (the one thing she's interested in eating) But the other suggestions I saw on here, like cranberries, I can't imagine her eating. We don't usually give her juice, so I don't think she'd like cran. juice. She doesn't chew craisins well (they go through whole  ::)) so the nutrients wouldn't do much.

SO (sorry for the long explanation!).... could we really kick this (if it's a UTI) with blueberries alone?
Also, could the sores on her mouth be related in a UTI?

Thanks in advance for any answers! I don't know what I'd do without WTM!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: BensJen March 08, 2009, 12:36:39 PM
anyone?
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: mykidsmom March 08, 2009, 01:50:10 PM
anyone?

BensJen,

If it's a UTI at 17mos you want to get on this.  You can give her 1 tsp of powdered mannose in applesauce or any drink (it's tasteless).  Do this 3x's a day for 7 days.  IF it's a UTI the fever should be gone within 12hrs or so depending on how bad the UTI is/was.  You can get mannose at most health food stores or you can order it from Amazon (although you'd have to overnight it) or Lucky Vitamin.  I do not believe blueberries will kick a UTI on their own.  The mannose will do it. 

hth

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: skelliott2 March 08, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
I have had several UTI's this year, and never kicked them with just blueberries.  That's interesting about the mannose, I wish I had known about that sooner.  :)

I will say that a fever in a 17 month old is not something to take lightly.  Their little bodies are so small, and if it is a UTI, it could go to her kidneys, and cause some serious damage.  So, my suggestion would be to go ahead and take her to the Dr.  If it's not a UTI, you can relax, and not worry anymore.  If it is, it does need to be taken care of sooner, rather than later.
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: ShawnaMarie March 08, 2009, 03:58:17 PM
I have a question about my 2.5 yo DD.  I noticed today that her urine looked cloudy.  I have noticed recently that it has a very strong smell, strong enough that I can smell it in the toilet.  Not ammonia-like.  She is not complaining that it hurts to go to the bathroom so I don't think it is a UTI.  Any guesses on what this could be?  Can you have a UTI w/o pain?
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: mykidsmom March 08, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
I have had several UTI's this year, and never kicked them with just blueberries.  That's interesting about the mannose, I wish I had known about that sooner.  :)

I will say that a fever in a 17 month old is not something to take lightly.  Their little bodies are so small, and if it is a UTI, it could go to her kidneys, and cause some serious damage.  So, my suggestion would be to go ahead and take her to the Dr.  If it's not a UTI, you can relax, and not worry anymore.  If it is, it does need to be taken care of sooner, rather than later.

I agree to a certain extent with this but having had a daughter this happened to I would caution this:  a UTI in a child less then 3 or 4 is frequently used as a reason to test for urinary reflux.  They will not let you go on this.  If your child did have urinary reflux you would be almost "forced" to put her on antibiotics.  Mannose will do the same thing but won't damage her gut.  The problem is, then you are fighting doctors that "know" you aren't treating it (when you are), which I think opens you up to social services.  So, that said, I would immediately start treating her with mannose.  If it goes away I would watch to see if it returns.  If it does, she could very likely have urinary reflux in which she would need to be on mannose 1x daily for several years until she outgrows it (usually happens by age 3ish).  It sounds unlikely, but we went down this road.   :-\  Also, our DD's ended up not being reflux but constipation - but the doctor wouldn't believe me. 

patti
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Laura B March 14, 2009, 08:46:35 PM
Hi folks!

I have just read through the entire thread.  Sorry everyone has been having so many problems with UTIs!  I have battled them for 16 years (at least 1 every year and sometimes 8-10/year).  I have resistance to two antibiotics now due to my overusage of them.  Only since July have I been able to cure them without antibiotics.  I am SO glad I tried to "sweat it out" naturally these last times, because I was pregnant and didn't know it!

I purchased an online book from Barton Press called "Cure your UTI in 12 hours."  It sounded hopeful, so I bought it.  It is a protocol for using fairly standard pantry items/vitamins every 30 minutes to an hour to first get pain free and then be UTI free.  It calls for many things posted in this thread.  Unsweetened cranberry juice, cranberry pills, baking soda, garlic juice and olive oil, parsley tea, alka-seltzer, apple cider vinegar and a veggie broth.  It was a wonderful remedy to find.  Even my mother who has battled UTIs for 45 years (only "cured" by antibiotics) tried it this last time and it worked for her.

The females in our family have short, tight urethras which cause us to have recurrent UTIs.  And the pain is debilitating.  So I was glad to find something to help.  I also drink (when not pregnant) a tea made from four herbal roots:  echinacea, burdock, marshmallow and licorice.  Since it has the echinacea, I only use it for a couple of weeks and then give myself a break for a while. 

I was able to correlate the occurrence of my UTIs with intimacy with dh (the last three UTIs came up exactly 2 days after).  My protocol during that evening would be

- urinate before and after
- good "washing up" afterwards in the shower
- drink lots of water through the night to make me get up and pee a lot
- (here's a controversial one) before intimacy I get a peribottle with a tad of Hibicleans (chlorohexidine hydrate) in the bottom of it and fill the rest with water.  I get a piece of tissue, wet it and just dab it on the opening to my urethra.  After a minute, I rinse it off with water.  I just do this a little bit (so as not to greatly upset my vaginal flora) to provide an antiseptic barrier to ecoli traveling up my urethra.  I figure if you can do this in your vagina for GBS, you can do a teenie amount if you are paranoid about getting a UTI.  I'm sure there are many who would not like this idea, but I am putting it out there as a thought.  Use your best judgment.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: mykidsmom March 15, 2009, 01:59:47 PM
Hi Laura B,

It sounds like you've got a good method for curing your UTI's (and preventing them).  I have heard of people with the same issue you have (short urethra) and it is miserable for them!  Have you considered just taking a teaspoon of powdered mannose daily as a preventative?  It is the same ingredient that's in cranberry but in concentrated powder form.  It prevents e-coli from sticking to the sides of the urethra and bladder so the e-coli just gets washed out with urine.  I'm thinking that it would be a lot easier then having to go through all that you do right now.  You will likely still have to take the measures you currently do for intimacy, but daily wise it would be much much easier to just throw a teapsoon in anything you eat or drink (it's flavorless) and take it.  It would also be cheaper then a bunch of drinks or supplements as it's just one thing.  I get ours at luckyvitamin.com for very cheap.  It can also be used to treat infections.  If you do get a UTI taking 1 tsp. 4x's a day for 7 days will take care of it.  So it's a double worker too.   ;D 

Just a thought........

patti
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: Laura B March 29, 2009, 07:37:08 PM
Hi Patti,

Thanks for the suggestion of d-mannose.  Yes, I have several bottles of it at my house.  I haven't been successful with it curing an infection once I get it, and I'm not sure how well it works for me as a preventative.  But I do throw it in the mix for good measure.  I figure it won't hurt!

Laura
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: mykidsmom March 30, 2009, 05:15:29 AM
Hi Patti,

Thanks for the suggestion of d-mannose.  Yes, I have several bottles of it at my house.  I haven't been successful with it curing an infection once I get it, and I'm not sure how well it works for me as a preventative.  But I do throw it in the mix for good measure.  I figure it won't hurt!

Laura

How much and how often do you take it when you get an infection?  I would be shocked if 4x's a day for 7 days and 2x's a day for seven more didn't kick it.  You might need 2tsp., 4x's a day instead.  I would experiment but there would be no clinical reason for it not to work.  A kinked urethra might be a problem but even then, my sister has something similar to this and works well for her.  So....  I dunno.   ;D

patti
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: Laura B April 12, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
Yes, I did it at least 5x a day for 2 weeks and it did not work.  It was quite puzzling to me because the cranberry juice (along with all the other stuff) worked for a later infection.  Oh, well.  I am always willing to give it another try if need be.  But hopefully there won't be another need!

Laura B
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: DHW April 13, 2009, 09:48:53 AM
D-mannose is primarily used for e.coli infections.  E. coli does account for 90% of UTIs.  D-mannose is not effective for other pathogens, though.  It is very useful as part of a maintenance plan to keep the e.coli out of the urinary tract, including kidneys.

Oreganol works very well.  You might try 2 drops every 2 hours around the clock, plus 3 OreganoMax capsules 3 times a day.  Do this for 10 days to clear up any lingering bacteria.  Recommended by my very favorite pharmacist.
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: twitterpated4hubby May 19, 2009, 06:43:18 AM
I am doing a liver cleanse with dandelion root and milk thistle and now i have a UTI. Im confused because im drinking 8, 9 and sometimes 10 cups of water a day and taking lots of good supplements while i cleanse. Why would this give me a UTI? I never get them so this isn't normal. Could it be possible for the cleanse to send toxins through my bladder and cause a UTI?

Im eating blueberries, drinking tons of water and taking cranberry pills and its no worse then it was yesterday morning. It doesn't hurt or bother me until the end of my peeing and then it feels stingy and hurts for a second. Then I'm fine again. Is this not a UTI or is it possible the stuff I'm taking is keeping it from getting worse. Any ideas on what i can do to kick it out completely?
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: boysmama May 19, 2009, 11:10:50 AM

Yes, I think it is the result of cleansing and possibly yeast die-off. OR as the toxins leave you are experiencing a flush of yeast type UTI as the yeasts are good "trashbins" and can overgrow as a way to protect your body from toxins that are not getting eliminated quickly enough. If you aren't already it would  not hurt to cut out sugar and really watch those carbs. May be also take a fiber or clay supplement at a separate time to help bind the toxins as the dandelion and milk thistle mobilize them?

Like you said it may be a true UTI and all that you are doing is keeping it from getting worse. I'd say keep up your protocol and see what happens.

 Just recently I have become a huge fan of Allibiotic (by NOW) which is the same thing as Beeyoutiful's Immune Three. The formula REALLY works and seems to cover both bacterial and fungal/yeast infections. I use it 2x a day for low lying issues up to 3-8x a day for a few days when really ill or definitely coming down with something.
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: twitterpated4hubby May 20, 2009, 05:48:06 AM
Thank you! It feels as if its almost gone now. I am also taking garlic for it so that may be helping. Now im sick with a sore throat.  ::) I have never taken more pills in all my life and here i am sick. LOL! I will try to cut out all sugar and eat less carbs. Im supposed to be following a good diet for this cleanse but i keep messing it up. Do you think juicing would be a good idea for a few days instead of solid foods?
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: momof5aj11to29 July 09, 2009, 05:10:49 PM
I know this is old topic as no seems to have responded in a long time. I had a horrible kidney infection over a year & a half ago. I now have a remedy which will keep me out of the docs office, & so much cheaper. D-Mannose. This natural sugar gets into the kidney & kills the bacteria & continues to kill it all the way out...bladder & kidney infection gone in a hurry. Continue taking for a week to make sure it is gone. Never be without it as you who have suffered such pain don't want to wait for it to be delivered to your door via snail mail. I get mine at iherb.com ~it is safe for babies too. My granddaughter had one in May of 2009 while on vacation. Praise God for health food stores nearby! she was better by the end of the day! A friend of mine had for two months been back & forth with the doc office & antibiotics. Her bladder infection would not go away. Finally after the 5th phone call to me she broke down & got the stuff! she called me in frustration to say "why do the docs not tell us about this stuff?!" she said for two month's I have tried to get rid of this infection & three days into the D-Mannose its gone! She is a convinced woman & tells everyone about it..
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: mykidsmom July 09, 2009, 07:03:47 PM
I know this is old topic as no seems to have responded in a long time. I had a horrible kidney infection over a year & a half ago. I now have a remedy which will keep me out of the docs office, & so much cheaper. D-Mannose. This natural sugar gets into the kidney & kills the bacteria & continues to kill it all the way out...bladder & kidney infection gone in a hurry. Continue taking for a week to make sure it is gone. Never be without it as you who have suffered such pain don't want to wait for it to be delivered to your door via snail mail. I get mine at iherb.com ~it is safe for babies too. My granddaughter had one in May of 2009 while on vacation. Praise God for health food stores nearby! she was better by the end of the day! A friend of mine had for two months been back & forth with the doc office & antibiotics. Her bladder infection would not go away. Finally after the 5th phone call to me she broke down & got the stuff! she called me in frustration to say "why do the docs not tell us about this stuff?!" she said for two month's I have tried to get rid of this infection & three days into the D-Mannose its gone! She is a convinced woman & tells everyone about it..

This stuff works very well.  We use it on our daughter as needed for a week at a time. 

patti
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: daisey July 10, 2009, 08:03:22 AM
How do you use this?    Just substitute it for sugar or do you take a certain amount throughout the day?
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: skelliott2 July 10, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
I just wanted to say Thank  you for the D-Mannose idea.  Every time I feel an infection coming on, I take it, and it goes away.  Hurray!!!!!!
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: DHW July 10, 2009, 04:48:50 PM
D-mannose is a supplement in powder form or capsules.  Stir the powder into water according to package directions (1/2-1 tsp dose usually); take a dose 3 or 4 times a day.  For capsules, 2-4 capsules three or four times a day.  The maintenance dose to prevent infection is one dose daily, or as needed.

Skip the sugar when fighting any infection.
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: mykidsmom July 11, 2009, 05:05:21 AM
I just wanted to say Thank  you for the D-Mannose idea.  Every time I feel an infection coming on, I take it, and it goes away.  Hurray!!!!!!

Skelliott2,

I'm so glad this works for you!  I find it such a relief not to have to take my dd to the doctor for abx anymore!  I love this stuff.

patti
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: daisey July 11, 2009, 10:29:46 AM
D-mannose is a supplement in powder form or capsules.  Stir the powder into water according to package directions (1/2-1 tsp dose usually); take a dose 3 or 4 times a day.  For capsules, 2-4 capsules three or four times a day.  The maintenance dose to prevent infection is one dose daily, or as needed.

Skip the sugar when fighting any infection.

Do you prefer the powder or capsules?   Just curious.   ;)
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: DHW July 11, 2009, 03:07:11 PM
The powder is cheaper and it tastes fine in water or cranberry juice, but the capsules are more convenient when you need to be out and about.  I buy the powder and can cap it if I want (I really hate to pay more for the capsules).   They both work equally well.
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: daisey July 11, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
The powder is cheaper and it tastes fine in water or cranberry juice, but the capsules are more convenient when you need to be out and about.  I buy the powder and can cap it if I want (I really hate to pay more for the capsules).   They both work equally well.

Thanks.   I kind of had those same thoughts.   
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: Kati*did July 20, 2009, 05:37:42 AM
I've had the same thing work for the last 2 UTI's I got:  Eat 5-7 cloves of raw garlic (mixed in something like sour cream or cottage cheese) and drink tons of water.  This has gotten rid of my last 2 UTI's in one day. 
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: suzzanne53 September 08, 2009, 07:17:17 PM
 :D  I have been fighting a kidney infection for 3 months and I have been on total bed rest for the last 2 weeks and on antibiotics,too!  I am on my fifth antibiotic and no cure in site.  I have turned it over to God and prayed for an answer.  Logged on to my lap top tonight ....I believe he sent me to this site and to this answer.  I am headed to the health food store tomorrow morning.
Suzzanne53

Praise the Lord in all things He is always the answer!
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: hi_itsgwen September 09, 2009, 02:48:29 AM
:D  I have been fighting a kidney infection for 3 months and I have been on total bed rest for the last 2 weeks and on antibiotics,too!  I am on my fifth antibiotic and no cure in site.  I have turned it over to God and prayed for an answer.  Logged on to my lap top tonight ....I believe he sent me to this site and to this answer.  I am headed to the health food store tomorrow morning.
Suzzanne53

Praise the Lord in all things He is always the answer!

Oh, Suzzanne!  I'm so sorry for your trials...how miserable!  I'm so glad you found this site.  It's been a wonderful resource for me and my family as well.  Let us know what you use, and how it goes!  I am a big fan of the D-Mannose powder. ;)

Gwen
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: petrimama October 15, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
I just saw that the recommendation for cranberry juice is unsweetened.  I buy pure, unsweetened cranberry juice, then I dilute it with half water, with a bit of dissolved raw sugar and lime in it.  Is this not as good?  (Aside from the fact that sugar is generally not good for you, that is.)  It is just so much more palatable that way, and since I am drinking roughly 6 glasses each day to try to beat this thing, i figured I might as well enjoy it so I won't try to avoid doing it.      ~L
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: hi_itsgwen October 15, 2009, 05:49:39 PM
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: sarajane October 15, 2009, 05:59:41 PM
I was reading recently that drinking an infusion of nettle every day can keep uti's away. Plus you get good vitamins and minerals, so sounds win win to me.

What about just eating cranberries? Are they really strong? I have never tasted one. I know I'm not a big fan of the way cranberry juice tastes but sometimes the fresh product is tastier than the plain juice.
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: Jade October 16, 2009, 05:20:28 PM
Okay, y'all, I just read through all NINE pages of this thread to make sure that this had not already been mentioned. And, just in case someone else doesn't want to read through the whole thing, let me break it down for you :):

Garlic
Cranberries, fresh or frozen
Cranberry juice (NOT sweetened)
Cranberry capsules
Blueberries, fresh or frozen
Yogurt
D-Mannose (can also be used daily as a preventative)
Uva Ursi
Oreganol
Using good hygiene practices (wiping front to back, urinating before and after intimacy, etc.)
Consider switching the material or style of your underwear  ::)
Quit taking bubble baths - for that matter, consider switching to showers only
Wash your undies in warm water, and consider changing detergents
Drink LOTS of water
Cut out all sugar as much as possible, even natural ones

And, here's the one I'm adding: Monarda tincture. Matthew Wood (the herbalist) recommends it for UTIs, and one herbalist goes so far as to claim that she has never come up against a UTI yet that it hasn't kicked. I haven't tried it myself, because so far I've been fortunate to not have this problem.

It might help to clarify things a bit if this is indeed true... I think that some UTI's are bacterial, will culture positive and do improve with antibiotics. :P (maybe) ;) Sugar doesn't seem to affect this kind as much. But... Some UTI's are yeast based, will not culture positive and are worsened by sugar, high sugar fruit juice, and antiboitics.
 I had the latter kind after every dose of antibiotic I ever took. ( I have chronic yeast overgrowth- another topic) The doctor repeatedly ridiculed me for saying that I always got a UTI after antibiotics, say for pnuemonia. He said you mean a vaginal infection? I said NO a UTI, first bladder then kidneys. He said not possible! Have some more antibiotics!!! Finally I thought for myself and thought why not yeast in the bladder if it is possible in the vagina...??? So I found a whatever ,,um natural doctor who said explained it over the phone as above.


One of the reasons that the use of Monarda for UTIs is so fascinating to me is because Monarda is ALSO used for fighting yeast infections. So it should be useful in either case, which might be part of the reason it has been so consistently effective.

Here's a link to an article about using Monarda (also called Beebalm) for UTIs. It includes dosage recommendations. http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=146 (http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=146)
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: petrimama October 17, 2009, 12:45:24 AM
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 

No, I haven't tried D-Mannose.  Where does one buy it?  I'm pretty sure this has spread to my kidneys now,  based on the location and duration of the pain.  I am urinating a lot of puss and blood as well, so I am desperate.  Will D-mannose work for that?
Still no one who knows why unsweetened cran is better?
And cranberries are nasty raw.  :-)  They are bitter, but also hard, like a firm apple.   Bleh!   ~L
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: hi_itsgwen October 17, 2009, 03:42:56 AM
I think any health food store will carry the D-Mannose. 
I got some after my last bout with a UTI, and we've used it for my daugther, and it worked great.  The mannose is a naturally occuring sugar that is in cranberries in very small amounts.  So that is maybe who cranberries are so recommended for UTI's...but I'd rather just get the Mannose than suffer through an all cranberry diet for days.  ;D The thing with the mannose sugar is that it isn't metabolized by the body, and is flushed out via the urine.  The UTI bacterias are wildly attracted to the mannose,  bond with it, and are carried out of the bladder & body. 

I caught my last UTI early, and did the whole cranberry juice/onion soup several times a day, and raw garlic in honey, etc.  I did this for several days til' I was sick of eating all the onions/garlic, and was still having the swollen sensation.  We had a family trip/holiday planned for the weekend, so I went ahead and got an antibiotic from the regular doc.  She told me that we'd caught the UTI early, as it hadn't started throwing nitrates yet (whatever that means).  She was shocked when I told her that I'd had it for days and had been treating naturally.  So something I was doing was working. 

In hindsight, I would've done the garlic/onions much more frequently (every 2 hours).  Instead of just taking it orally, I would've done poultices over the area as well to saturate the blood supply with natural antibiotics (garlic) and anti-inflammatories (onion)...and I woulda been taking 2 t. of d-mannose 3 times a day.  I'm almost positive that I would not have needed the abx if I had done these things.  But I never get UTI's, so live and learn.  If you are already full blown, then I'd throw in some capsules of Oregano Oil if you've got it to knock down the infection.

I hope you can knock this out one way or another...There's no shame in my mind of going for abx if you've done all you can at home, and it's just getting worse.  It's not worth the pain and risk of damage to the kidneys.  Just bump up the probiotics and get well! ;)
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: mykidsmom October 17, 2009, 05:54:26 AM
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 

No, I haven't tried D-Mannose.  Where does one buy it?  I'm pretty sure this has spread to my kidneys now,  based on the location and duration of the pain.  I am urinating a lot of puss and blood as well, so I am desperate.  Will D-mannose work for that?
Still no one who knows why unsweetened cran is better?
And cranberries are nasty raw.  :-)  They are bitter, but also hard, like a firm apple.   Bleh!   ~L

Yes, the mannose will work even with a kidney infection.  You should probably take 2 tsp. 3x's a day for 7 days since it's so bad.  If you can't get the mannose then you'd better get on abx because my DD's kidney infection went into a blood infection quickly and she ended up in the hospital for 3 days. 

patti
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: prolifeguyswife October 17, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
I have urethritis. Since my son was born six months ago, I've had burning and discomfort while urinating, but tests were coming back normal. Then I started having blood in my urine, so the doctor sent me to a specialist. The specialist went in with a scope (not fun!) a few days ago and saw that my bladder and urethra are irritated, and that my urethra is the source of the blood.

The urethritis was caused by a bacterial infection. I have been trying to treat it naturally for six months, now the doctor wants me to take an antibiotic, though I'm exclusively bf'ing a 6-month-old.

OK - how do I know that my blood is ok? And my kidneys? The urology doc didn't seem concerned, but how could I have had a bacterial infection for six months without consequences? Is there anything I can take in addition to the mannose and cranberry to support my kidneys and keep me healthy?
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: hi_itsgwen October 17, 2009, 04:04:28 PM
Yowzers!!!  It stinks when you *know* something is wrong, and no one will listen to you.  :(  So sorry that this misery has gone on for so long!

Have you had other symptoms like fever, lethargy, etc. Well...besides the exhaustion of just being a Mama. ;) 

If you've been treating naturally, you may be supporting your immune system enough to stave off the infection from spreading.  From what I understand, treating UTI's is tricky, as it's sort of the 'last stop' for dumping toxins.  So most of what you take orally (including commercial abx) are already filtered out enough to not be very effective by the time they get to the kidneys/bladder.  Since God created the kidneys to handle toxin loads, the kidneys/bladder are pretty effective at insulating the rest of the body against the toxins in the bladder area for someone with a normal healthy immune system.  So, from my understanding, it's sort of a closed system that is tricky to treat orally.

The thing with taking anything oral is, (like I said above) it has to go all the way through the filtering organs and digestive system before ending up in the bladder.  So you may take powerful doses of garlic, etc. and there is probably not going to be enough of the natural antibiotic left in the urine once it lands in the kidneys/bladder to make enough of a difference.  But it will boost the rest of the body's immunity! 

However, if you use a poultice, you're introducing the effects of the garlic *directly* into the blood supply that feeds the bladder/kidneys.  It's a much more powerful way of delivering the 'goods' directly to the source.

So I would probably try:
The mannose 3x a day, 2t. per meal for a week like Patti recommended.  Mannose sugar is naturally occuring in cranberries, but in minute amounts.  It's NOT broken down or synthesized by the body, and is passed in tact as waste in the urine...so it doesn't get filtered out by the digestive organs.  It attracts the nasty bacterias and flushes them out.  Because it's not synthesized by the body, it's safe for use by diabetics, and doesn't affect blood sugar.

Garlic poultices (chopped, raw, wrap in paper towel and douse with boiling water and cool just a bit...apply to the site for 2 min at a time hourly or as needed) to give powerful jolts of natural abx.

Onion poultices (cooked and applied warm directly over the areas of swelling/discomfort.  You can leave these on for longer) Onions contain quercetin, a natural anti-inflammatory.  You can also take quercetin orally, and it can be found in hfs's in a powdered form.

For kidney health and flushing, chamomile looks like a good choice, and is safe for nursing.  The Bulk Herb Store has some great information on Chamomile: http://www.bulkherbstore.com/Chamomile-Flowers-Whole
See the exerpts from Nutritional Herbology.  They recommend using an extract for the most potent kidney cleansing action from the volitile oils. 
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: prolifeguyswife October 17, 2009, 04:47:10 PM
Wow, that is such a huge help! Thank you so much! I'm going to try the poultices tomorrow and hopefully have relief soon. I should have posted here sooner.

The doctor did say exactly the same thing about treating an infection there orally, but put me on the antibiotics because he said it was a bacterial infection.

I had no idea about the chamomile and will try that ASAP, too. Thank you!!!
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: petrimama October 21, 2009, 12:40:33 AM
  HELP!!  I'm back.  I've been taking a full dose of d-mannose three times daily since Sunday.  At first it seemed to be working, but now it's really bad again.  I went to the doctor and got Cipro yesterday, but I haven't taken it because something else occurred to me.
  I recently had a yeast infection and since treating it both naturally and medicinally, I have had many yeast die-off symptoms.  In addition, my 14-month old daughter (who is still nursing frequently) has a horrible yeasty diaper rash, which I don't want to make worse.  Could my yeast/UTI problems be related?  The doctor didn't take a urine sample because my symptoms were so obvious, but now I'm thinking maybe she should have tried to identify the organism behind the infection, since the d-mannose would have likely cleared up E. coli.  Any thoughts?    ~L
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: hi_itsgwen October 21, 2009, 05:03:31 AM
Petrimama, That could be the issue! 

I found this link from Merk:
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec17/ch231/ch231c.html
They say that candida UTI's can occur simultaneously with bacterial infections.

If it is fungal, try baking soda in your bathwater for some relief.  It will neutralize the ph, which is inhospitable for fungal growth.  You may need to take on oral antifungal, and definitely a good probiotic to replenish the good bacterias.
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: Whiterock October 21, 2009, 06:59:51 AM
Ideas off the top of my head:
~clove tea
~eat lots of garlic
~garlic clove suppository as per vag. yeast infection, since that area is so close to the problem area
~Pau dArco
~Azo cranberry pills (the thing in cranberry that makes germs "slide" off and out, is supposed to work on yeast too)

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: herbalmom October 21, 2009, 07:50:59 AM
Petrimama,

If it were me I would try treating it with GSE instead of abx. It's antibacterial & antifungal. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Jade October 21, 2009, 08:59:33 AM
 
  I recently had a yeast infection and since treating it both naturally and medicinally, I have had many yeast die-off symptoms.  In addition, my 14-month old daughter (who is still nursing frequently) has a horrible yeasty diaper rash, which I don't want to make worse.  Could my yeast/UTI problems be related? 

Check out my post on monarda tincture earlier on this topic (post #246). It is supposed to be INCREDIBLY effective at treating bladder infections, and is also used for treating yeast infections. It would be the first thing I would try. HTH!
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: petrimama October 22, 2009, 04:36:46 AM
Thanks, everyone.  I'll try the ones I have on hand first and let you all know how it goes.   ~L
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: dara October 22, 2009, 06:00:59 AM
Petrimama, when I had a UTI I took the D-Mannose every hour or two until the symptoms subsided over 3-4 days. Perhaps it would help if you took it a lot more frequently?
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: petrimama October 22, 2009, 07:08:43 AM
Thanks.  I'll up my d-mannose, too.  Does anyone know if monarda is safe for nursing moms and children?  I know it is unsafe in early pregnancy, but any other safety info would be appreciated.  Thanks!   ~Layla
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: Jade October 23, 2009, 09:31:47 AM
Does anyone know if monarda is safe for nursing moms and children?  I know it is unsafe in early pregnancy, but any other safety info would be appreciated.  Thanks!   ~Layla

In Medicinal Plants of North America, Jim Meuninck says this: "Not to be used during pregnancy. If you have flower allergies, be careful when using bee balm [monarda] flowers in salads and teas - although there have been no documented side effects."


This site recommends that it NOT be used during pregnancy, but doesn't list it in the botanicals to not be used while nursing.
http://www.gaines.com/html/Herbs/HerbUse.html#2b (http://www.gaines.com/html/Herbs/HerbUse.html#2b)

If it were me, I'd ask a midwife or herbalist that I trusted quite a bit.  :)





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: petrimama October 23, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Thanks!    ~L
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: skelliott2 October 24, 2009, 09:01:03 AM
Another great thing about D-Mannose is: It's just a sugar, so it's safe to use anytime! 

I got another infection this week, and the Mannose took care of it!!!  It's amazing stuff!  I'm so thankful Mykidsmom knew about it, and shared!!!  Thanks again, Patti!!
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: petrimama October 29, 2009, 03:59:52 PM
I have decided to keep up with the d-mannose daily (when I remember) from now on.  I also decided to keep up a steady stream of probiotics for a while, since I have the following theory:
I cleansed of yeast and felt great, but I was not drinking enough water or urinating frequently enough and the yeast had enough time to populate my bladder.  So, I think things are under control now.  Thanks so much for all of the help everyone has offered.  I also plan to get a bee balm tincture to have on hand for future use.  ~L
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: FarmWife January 18, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
Could she possibly have Kidney stones?  I was treated for a year with cronic UTI's and later found out they were kidney stones.  Very painfull.  I know your daughter is very young, but I was 21-22 when mine first hit.  So who knows?  Has she had any back pain with the "UTI" pains?  even if she hasn't, it still could be kidney stones.  The only way to really tell is to have an XRay or CT scan though :'( expensive, and not very fun.  I pray that she feels better.  Cranberries and Blueberries are the most wonderful things you can give her!  Praying you find the answer soon.
~Jenny

For any of you who have had kidney stones ... I have a question.  Did you have the urge to urinate like you do with a UTI?
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: FarmWife January 18, 2010, 01:46:07 PM
Have you tried the D-Mannose, Petrimama? 

No, I haven't tried D-Mannose.  Where does one buy it?  I'm pretty sure this has spread to my kidneys now,  based on the location and duration of the pain.  I am urinating a lot of puss and blood as well, so I am desperate.  Will D-mannose work for that?
Still no one who knows why unsweetened cran is better?
And cranberries are nasty raw.  :-)  They are bitter, but also hard, like a firm apple.   Bleh!   ~L

I sure hope you are better by now.  The sugar in the sweetened versions is very detrimental to what you are trying to do.  I put about an inch of cranberry juice in a glass (16 oz.) and then fill it with water.  It is not "good", but it is not yucky. 
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: Jesus_Princess October 05, 2010, 01:30:51 PM
Okay, we think my mom has kidney stones (cannot get the CT scan because of expense).  I have been filling her with cranberry juice and Organic Cran-Aid from Traditional Medicinals. 
She does not like the cranberry juice because "it is so bitter and strong".
She has been mixing it with Wech's white grape juice.  Is this okay or is it counteracting the cranberry juice?  Thanks
Through Christ,
JP
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: DHW October 05, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
Blueberry juice would be a better choice since it contains d-mannose.  You really want to reduce the fruit sugars, and avoid sucrose (table sugar) and corn syrup completely.

Cranberry concentrate is actually quite a bit sweeter than cranberry juice.  It makes a sweet-tart smoothie when combined with frozen blueberries and a bit of d-mannose.
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: DHW October 05, 2010, 05:11:02 PM
I just found this on Second Opinion Newsletter: the best juice for calcium  kidney stones is LEMON juice.

According to Dr. Rowen a calcium stone can be dissolved over a couple of days by drinking fresh lemon juice.  

Juice enough lemons to get 8 oz of fresh juice.  Drink that immediately.  

Make a lemonade consisting of 1 oz of freshly squeezed lemon juice in  a glass of water sweetened with stevia if desired.  Drink that immediately.

Repeat the lemonade every hour for the next 12 hours.
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: ~esposita~ October 08, 2010, 12:04:02 PM
For the record:

I woke this morning with symptoms of a UTI and immediately drank a few swigs of liquid Vit. C (yes, I drank too much, and now I have the "D" word, but I AM feeling better.)  Then I went to the Health Food Store and got some Cranberry Capsules and some Blueberry/Pomegranate Juice (no sugar added).  I've taken 4 doses of the Cran Caps. and I drank the whole jug of juice. 

I do still have symptoms, but I can tell they are lessening and passing.  I hurt less and don't feel like I have to pee each and every minute. 

Oh yeah - I've downed about a gallon of water, as well.  ANd I took a dose of Oil of Oregano. 

Hurray for WTM and no anti-biotics!
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: regula01 March 26, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
To clear up a bladder infection I have had great success with drinking apple cider vinegar in water.  I mix about a tablespoon of vinegar to a cup of water and drink it several times throughout the day, the pain usually is relieved in one or two hours.  I just keep drinking the vinegar water mixture as often as I can and the infection is cleared up within a day or two!  It doesn't taste good, but it works!  I know some people can take a spoonful of vinegar straight, but not me! 

My 5 year daughter started having belly pain before going potty and then started wetting the bed.  It took a couple of days to figure out, she might have a Urinary Tract Infection.  I took her to the doctor and although, he said he needed to run a culture to be sure, he was convinced by her symptoms that I was right...After we got home, my suspicions were further confirmed by the development of a fever.

So, the doctor gave her the dreaded antibiotics.  I don't like them, but I know that UTI's can be very painful (I've had a few) and the doctor explained that females must be especially careful because multiple infections could cause or be an indication of a distended ureter which could cause something he called a reflux condition where urine could back up into the kidneys and cause permanent damage.

My doctor also says that drinking juice and koolaid, etc do not affect this condition negatively.  The only drink that he recommends avoiding is caffeine because of it's diruretic properties.  Without regular flow through the kidneys, you cannot flush the bacteria causing the infection.

I know that prevention is best, but sometimes you can't prevent every little organism from finding it's way into the wrong place at the wrong time.  However; suggetions on regular prevention would be invited.

Does anyone know, "absolutely, without a doubt" alternative healing solutions for these infections?  I don't like the idea of experimenting on my babies only to find out that I allowed the infection to damage their organs.  :-[
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: Becks April 04, 2011, 10:48:02 AM
Do Hibiscus flowers act like cranberries to rid the system of UTI’s?  I hope they do!  I get recurring UTI’s.  I usually can kick it with cranberry pills and LOTS of water.  This last time I couldn’t find my pills so I had to resort to cranberry juice.  I’m apparently sensitive to the sugars and couldn’t sleep all night.  Ugh.  I also know the sugar is bad for causing yeast infections.  So it wasn’t a good solution. It did seem to help, but I don’t want to do that again.  We can’t get more pills or real cranberries where we live (Mexico).  What we can get is a very common red flower that is called Jamaica here.  We make a strong tea with it.  It’s known in the states as Hibiscus Flowers.  The flowers themselves taste like cranberries.  I’ve been able to deduce that the flowers are good as a diuretic.  Would they also act as cranberries do to rid the body of UTI’s.
Thanks for any help!
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: DHW April 09, 2011, 05:55:13 PM
The helpful sugar in cranberries is D-mannose.  The fructose may be what you are sensitive to.  D-mannose is not metabolized, so it does not affect blood sugar, and I do not think it would aggravate yeast.

Was the cranberry juice unsweetened?  With no other fruit juices?  Obviously sugar and other fruit juice would be a problem.

Cranberries and blueberries are natural sources of D-mannose.  Maybe just try eating those plain.

I have noticed that there are several remedies for UTIs that seem to be opposites.  For instance, drink a mixture of baking soda and water to raise the pH vs. take large amounts of vitamin c to acidifiy urine.  It can be hard to know which remedy is appropriate (depending on many factors and on what your body can tolerate).

I do not know the answer to your question about hibiscus flowers, but increasing fluid intake is usually strongly recommended to dilute the urine, so several cups a day plus lots of plain or salted water sounds about right.

There is always the garlic cure: blend a clove of garlic in a cup of water and drink it immediately.  Repeat several times a day.
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: DHW April 09, 2011, 06:02:27 PM
I did a little looking and hibiscus flowers are diuretic, astringent and high in vitamin C.  The diuretic effect can lower blood pressure with regular use (16 oz daily for a few weeks).
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: Becks April 13, 2011, 12:23:39 PM
I suspect the Hibiscus flowers worked.  I've been UTI free since using them.  I also found my cranberry pills.  I had misplaced them.  So all's well that ends well.
: Re: UTI: Urinary Tract/Kidney/Bladder Infections
: spritzey August 12, 2011, 05:23:50 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned before (these threads are too long imo) but baking soda is great for uti's. I drank 1tsp baking soda in 1 cup water (ok I could only chug half of it) but the pain went away. Drank one more about 6 hrs later and then another 6-12 hrs after that (not really sure when...3 times in the course of 48 hrs) and it was gone.

I made sure to drink tons of water and I upped my vitamins as baking soda can deplete you of nutrients.