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: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Gabriel September 18, 2006, 03:27:51 AM
I bought the Active Digestive Enzymes with my order but realize now that there is not a dosage for children.  Has anyone given this to thier child?  Thanks for your help!

Gabriel
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: Gabriel September 18, 2006, 12:46:50 PM
Just for anyone else's information, I got in contact with the lady that sold it to me and she said it was fine. Perhaps this will help someone in the future.

Gabriel
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: bakermom December 28, 2006, 03:12:31 AM
I don't seem to have a yeast problem but I do get ulcerative colitis when I quit nursing.  Who knows what it will do as I go through my 40s and 50s?  I would like to make my digestive tract as healthy as possible. I wil be nursing for a year or so so I am most likely safe as I usually get while nursing.  Is the enzyme tablet could for colin diseases or just yeast or parasites?  I don't want to buy something I don't need when I can only spend x amount of money. 
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: Whiterock December 28, 2006, 05:39:04 AM
I've also been wondering if I should take the enzyme digestive. I had my galbladder taken out about 6 years ago (mistake, but I didn't know any better at the time). Could someone give us more info on what it does and doesn't do?

Thanks!
WR
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: Gabriel Anast December 28, 2006, 09:39:09 AM
Its just an enzyme capsule... it has a lot of the things that the body uses to digest foods. It also has two enzymes that like yeast cell walls.

Many people with digestive problems take an enzyme supplement, and that is exactly what Enzyme Digestive is... with the addition of certain enzymes for help with yeast.

Its a nice product for pregnant women to take since it is just a digestive enzyme product... no essential oils, etc.

As far as the Ulcerative Colitis, I do not thing a digestive enzyme would help specifically with this. If I were you I would start a new thread about this particular issue, how and when it manifests, and history that is pertinent, and see what other options there are.

--gabe
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: Whiterock December 28, 2006, 02:22:20 PM
Thanks Gabe!
WR
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: Isaacsmama March 12, 2007, 08:21:39 PM
we ended up with a bottle of enzyme digestive unexpectedly.  I was thinking of starting to take it with the ultimate defense, but I saw the label says to take with Yeat assasin.  Im nursing my 18 mo still, so I guess yeast assasin is a no no.  Will the ED still be effective not taken with the YA?
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: StephTallent March 12, 2007, 08:41:01 PM
we ended up with a bottle of enzyme digestive unexpectedly.  I was thinking of starting to take it with the ultimate defense, but I saw the label says to take with Yeat assasin.  Im nursing my 18 mo still, so I guess yeast assasin is a no no.  Will the ED still be effective not taken with the YA?

As Gabe posted above there are elements to Enzyme Digestive that are very helpful when doing a Yeast Cleanse.  However, Enzyme Digestive works just as effectively and safely for pregnant and nursing women by itself as a digestive aid.  Because it is considered safe for pregnancy/nursing it can be used as part of a "Pregnancy Safe" Yeast cleanse if needed. 

HTH.   :)
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: CNM2B April 02, 2007, 03:51:11 AM
This is probably a stupid question, but I just wanted to double check. Is Enzyme Digestive to be swallowed or is it chewable? Anybody have any testimonials on this product?
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: babymakers April 02, 2007, 03:55:27 PM
How about I answer it with a stupid question. Is enzyme digestion a name brand?

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: CNM2B April 02, 2007, 06:09:40 PM
heehee... no it's the name of a product from Beeyoutiful. I should have said that....
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: Isaacsmama April 02, 2007, 07:50:36 PM
I swallow it.  Guess you could chew, if you dont mind the taste.
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: momto4 April 11, 2007, 05:45:39 PM
 ???I think my 2 yo son may have lactose intolerance, and I believe his gut is really irritated and has been for possibly most of his life.  He has always been slow to gain weight - he will be 3 in July and only weighs 25 lbs soaking wet.  He is a picky eater and very active - he loves life.  He has never had a formed or solid stool, and it is often acidic and causes terrible rashs and bleeding on his bottom.  I took him off milk and ice cream and the rashes and bleeding have stopped, but I also noticed a change in his temperment.  I think he has felt bad for a long time but didn't know any different so he didn't complain about it.  His stools are still very frequent and loose - sometimes even seperated (liquid in the diaper, solids on top.)  I have now taken him off of all dairy hoping to see some changes.  We are giving him TTU, but I'm wondering if Enzyme Digestive would be helpful to him as well, and if it would be safe.  I would also be open to any other suggestions.  I'm just at a loss for how best to help him and my doc doesn't seem to be too worried about it.  :-\
Thanks in advance!
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: 4lilkeepers April 26, 2007, 02:39:40 AM
the one that will work if I don't have a gallbladder and am taking coconut oil?  It gives me gas and I have read on this board, somewhere that it will do that if you don't have a gallbladder and you don't take and DE.Also, can you take this while nursing?

Thanks

4lilkeepers
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: Simply Kristen July 22, 2007, 04:37:10 PM
I'm having trouble with daily diarrhhea.
I was thinking of ordering this http://www.beeyoutiful.com/goodness/product_info.php/products_id/35
to help. I seem to have had digestive issues this whole pregnancy.

thoughts? TTup seems to have no effect.
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: Simply Kristen July 23, 2007, 02:52:03 AM
Well, I ordered the link I gave above.
I'll let you know how it works it.
(If I forget and you want to know....just bump it.  :))
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: Simply Kristen July 30, 2007, 04:31:12 AM
Okay, I've been taking this and it helps SO MUCH!!
I still haven't figured out how it works.

Is there a thread on that?
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: Simply Kristen July 30, 2007, 04:51:07 AM
I don't think this product has probiotics in it.
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: healthyinOhio September 29, 2007, 02:20:55 AM
Okay, I have sort of an unusual theory of the connection between genetic Alzheimer's and enzymes.  I just want to share it with you in case it is proved one year to be true and all of you can take credit for knowing me! LOL!
Here is my weird  hypothesis:
I think that the lack of one or more digestive enzymes may be a predisposition for Alzheimer's.  I also believe that heavy metals plays a part. 
I had a genetic testing for Alzheimer's done awhile back at an alternative clinic.  You spit on a piece of paper and they test it for arteriosclerosis and Alzheimer's.  I shared it with WTM and most of ya all thought it was whack.  I did, too. Here is the link:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2479.msg24227.html#msg24227
 Well, at first I thought it was a scam.  Then, I started thinking of a few things.

Now, here is my weird reasoning behind my hypothesis:
My grandmother died of AL in May of this year.  Her parents had it, and my mother and a couple of her sisters have symptoms of it already. 
Okay, this is where it gets funny:  My grandmother had this really stinky and unusual bad breath.  It was so powerful it would stink up her whole bedroom.  My mother and one of her sisters have this stinky breath, too.  I know, this sounds too funny to be a theory.  But listen to this:  sometimes when my son has a bowel movement, his poop smells just like that! 
Where am I going with this?  I have been reading on digestive enzyme deficiency and noticed that a sign of one is sticky black tar like poop, which is the kind my son has when his smells like my family's bad breath.  So, perhaps, the genetic testing that I had done was testing an enzyme?
Also, when I took my son to the doctors a year ago, they did a comprehensive poop analysis.  They thought he may have a bleeding ulcer or parasites.  He had neither.  But they did tell me that he had an "elevated enzyme".  I can't remember the name.  It began with an "L", but wasn't Lipase.  I remember looking up for information on the internet, but couldn't find anything. 
Okay, so how many of you think I am nuts, now! 
(or maybe I should have said even more nuts than I was before)  ;D
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: ForeverGirl September 29, 2007, 07:19:50 AM
I think that is really interesting, HIO! Have you given your son an enzyme supplement with a fatty acid supplement? If so, does it seem to effect his poop? Keep us updated on what you find!
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: lotsaboys September 29, 2007, 11:09:18 AM
HIO, I love it that you are "nuts'! I do the same weird brainstorming but just don't have the smarts to post it in an intelligent, legible way. :-\ ::)

I think you are on to something. Does your son have any significant health issues? I'm picking up that this enzyme deficiency thing may or may not be hereditary per say, but is there from birth. And I also wonder it if can exhibit itself in varying ways. I keep thinking of some friends of ours who lost their 8 yo son this Spring. The whole family had a bout of flu stuff one week and after the others were well again, he stayed sick and continued to get worse. They do home remedies and basically never go to a Dr. so the mother was trying different things. One afternoon she noticed he was pretty bad and when helping him to the toilet he died in her arms. An autopsy revealed a very fatty liver and they told the parents it was a condition he had from birth in which his body could not properly utilize vitamins and nutrients from food. Does that sound like enzyme deficiency? The mother told me that he always was a little more "sickly" than the other children but not enough to alarm them. He preferred to play more quietly as opposed to normal rambunctious boy behavior. I'd like to ask her more details sometime about his health- esp. some of the areas we've discussed on enzyme threads here.

Ever since our now 2 yo son was weaned he has been slow to gain weight and often  has diarrhea and picks up sickness easily. I've been giving him enzymes for around a week now and he has had no diarrhea at all- even when we ate some junk food one day at a friend's house. That usually throws him off the edge- terrible runs and a diaper rash. Just got him potty trained (woo-hoo!) so no more sore bottom, but I've kept an eye on his poo and its lookin' great.

Anyhow, now I'm rambling- nuts too I guess. :D
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: healthyinOhio September 30, 2007, 07:07:38 AM
I think that is really interesting, HIO! Have you given your son an enzyme supplement with a fatty acid supplement? If so, does it seem to effect his poop? Keep us updated on what you find!

Well, he has been on raw milk(Jersey) for awhile(I read that raw milk has a ton of good enzymes), now and I give him a tsp. of CLO everyday.  I haven't noticed the smelly poop for awhile, now.  Could be a good connection, ya think?
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: healthyinOhio September 30, 2007, 07:13:21 AM

HIO, I love it that you are "nuts'! I do the same weird brainstorming but just don't have the smarts to post it in an intelligent, legible way. :-\ ::)




Whew!  Glad to know that I am not that crazy. Well.....maybe I am crazy, but am surrounded by other crazy people, here!  :D



I keep thinking of some friends of ours who lost their 8 yo son this Spring. The whole family had a bout of flu stuff one week and after the others were well again, he stayed sick and continued to get worse. They do home remedies and basically never go to a Dr. so the mother was trying different things. One afternoon she noticed he was pretty bad and when helping him to the toilet he died in her arms. An autopsy revealed a very fatty liver and they told the parents it was a condition he had from birth in which his body could not properly utilize vitamins and nutrients from food. Does that sound like enzyme deficiency? The mother told me that he always was a little more "sickly" than the other children but not enough to alarm them. He preferred to play more quietly as opposed to normal rambunctious boy behavior. I'd like to ask her more details sometime about his health- esp. some of the areas we've discussed on enzyme threads here.




That is so sad about your friend.   :'( Weird, but a lot of those symptoms are what Mike had, minus the diarrhea. A fatty liver in an 8 year old is very strange.  I would immediately think of an inheritable thing as well.  Unless, the family ate at McDonald's everyday, or something. 
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: wyomama3 September 30, 2007, 10:03:01 AM
Wow, I am finding this VERY interesting!  I have reported in other threads about my ds tummy problems.  He had the very loose stools and they were also unusual in odor, just a different kind of stinky, with a lot of mucous at times.  A gastro specialist at Denver Childrens didn't seem to know what to do with him (they said he was living with chronic constipation).  I researched and  took him off cow diary and he improved.  While on TTU and raw goat milk this kid is so much better and his temperment is easy going.  When our supply of goat milk is nil (do to kidding) we buy from the store.  After being on the pasturized goat milk for a time I have noticed he is moody and not able to handle life as well.  He stools are also looser. 
I am with you HIO and lotsaboys!  He is on the raw milk right now but in Dec we will have to buy store brand again unless we find another source (unlikely).  I will give him enzyme and see if this makes a difference.  In fact I might just do it sooner because the curiousity might get the best of me.  This is so very interesting to me, can you tell I am excited about your findings?  I have alot going on in my head about this, and am not doing a good job getting in on 'paper'.  But be it known that I do not think you are crazy in theory at all!
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: lotsaboys September 30, 2007, 02:01:01 PM

I keep thinking of some friends of ours who lost their 8 yo son this Spring. The whole family had a bout of flu stuff one week and after the others were well again, he stayed sick and continued to get worse. They do home remedies and basically never go to a Dr. so the mother was trying different things. One afternoon she noticed he was pretty bad and when helping him to the toilet he died in her arms. An autopsy revealed a very fatty liver and they told the parents it was a condition he had from birth in which his body could not properly utilize vitamins and nutrients from food. Does that sound like enzyme deficiency? The mother told me that he always was a little more "sickly" than the other children but not enough to alarm them. He preferred to play more quietly as opposed to normal rambunctious boy behavior. I'd like to ask her more details sometime about his health- esp. some of the areas we've discussed on enzyme threads here.




That is so sad about your friend.   :'( Weird, but a lot of those symptoms are what Mike had, minus the diarrhea. A fatty liver in an 8 year old is very strange.  I would immediately think of an inheritable thing as well.  Unless, the family ate at McDonald's everyday, or something. 
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No, that's just it- they raised all their own food and use herbs all the time. My point in mentioning him was the fact that it was a condition he had from birth and I'm wondering if he was enzyme deficient and if its something that can be not necessarily hereditary but that you can just be born that way.(duh, that's a weird way of saying what I'm trying to say)

IF that is my 2yo's problem, he certainly didn't show any signs til he was weaned.
AND his poo had a horrible raunchy smell too. TTU seemed to help somewhat but not totally cut it.
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: healthyinOhio September 30, 2007, 03:30:00 PM


IF that is my 2yo's problem, he certainly didn't show any signs til he was weaned.



EXACTLY!  Mine was the same.  His bowel movements were perfect until he was off the bre*st.  Perhaps, he was weaned too early, or something he started digesting, without probiotics made it worse. Okay, spell check just questioned probiotics.  Shouldn't spell check on WTM know these things by now?!  :D
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: likemanywaters September 30, 2007, 04:07:38 PM
Mine too did not begin to have digestive problems until he was weaned.  :'(  With my daughter I intentionally waited until she was a year old (12-14 months) before feeding her ANYTHING other than breastmilk. Still even now, if I slack off on nursing her, she starts getting rashes on her (also, I think she gets them when teething). I'm terrified to quit nursing her!!  :-\ I'd just as soon keep on until she's 5, but I hope to get pregnant again soon.  We think it has to do with breastmilk being full of lipase (the enzyme needed to break down fats). See lipase thread for more...
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: Simply Kristen September 30, 2007, 04:22:12 PM
OKay. I'm confused.

Er, I wrote on this one a while back about Beeyoutiful's Enzyme trying to get my fat/whatever digested better with this pregnancy.

Have we switched to this enzyme thread. What happened to the new one?

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: lotsaboys September 30, 2007, 04:23:07 PM
Mine too did not begin to have digestive problems until he was weaned.  :'(  With my daughter I intentionally waited until she was a year old (12-14 months) before feeding her ANYTHING other than breastmilk. Still even now, if I slack off on nursing her, she starts getting rashes on her (also, I think she gets them when teething). I'm terrified to quit nursing her!!  :-\ I'd just as soon keep on until she's 5, but I hope to get pregnant again soon.  We think it has to do with breastmilk being full of lipase (the enzyme needed to break down fats). See lipase thread for more...

Hey, its thanks to you and Beka posting your lipase info that I made the connection with my son! And he was exclusively breastfed until 1 yr. I'm always real strict about wh :Dat goes in my baby's mouth even if Grandma thinks I'm mean- and I've had to practically slap her hand a time or 2! :P



 Okay, spell check just questioned probiotics.  Shouldn't spell check on WTM know these things by now?!  :D

It should know about kefir and kombucha by now too. :D
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: healthyinOhio October 01, 2007, 06:55:54 AM
BUMP for Kristen
OKay. I'm confused.

Er, I wrote on this one a while back about Beeyoutiful's Enzyme trying to get my fat/whatever digested better with this pregnancy.

Have we switched to this enzyme thread. What happened to the new one?


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: lotsaboys October 01, 2007, 07:07:48 AM
BUMP for Kristen
OKay. I'm confused.
 :-\this one a while back about Beeyoutiful's Enzyme trying to get my fat/whatever digested better with this pregnancy.

Have we switched to this enzyme thread. What happened to the new one?



Are you thinking of the lipase thread? Some of us, or umm, maybe its just me, are posting some of the same ideas on both threads. They are very related. Sorry about the confusion.
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: Simply Kristen October 01, 2007, 07:17:00 AM
BUMP for Kristen
OKay. I'm confused.
 :-\this one a while back about Beeyoutiful's Enzyme trying to get my fat/whatever digested better with this pregnancy.

Have we switched to this enzyme thread. What happened to the new one?



Are you thinking of the lipase thread? Some of us, or umm, maybe its just me, are posting some of the same ideas on both threads. They are very related. Sorry about the confusion.

LOL!
I get it now... there are a few threads on Enzymes.
I think if someone just read this one they would be confused. I wonder if there is a way to get them in their own folder or something.
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: IMPersuadd October 01, 2007, 10:20:09 AM
So I have a (dumb?) question about this enzyme thing (and it sort of touches on probiotics too).  Isn't a huge part of the reason we all make and drink kombucha and kefir for the natural benefits (i.e. enzymes, probiotics, immune support, etc.)? 

Isn't it generally better to get those necessary nutrients and "extras" via diet rather than taking more supplements?  Are we just spending more money buying supplements after spending more money making all this nice natural stuff?

I am asking in earnest, not sarcastically.  I find myself hoping that if I change our diet and add things like raw milk and homemade yogurt and kefir and brew my own kombucha that the end result will be better health WITHOUT taking a boatload of vitamins and supplements.

Thanx for your opinions.   ;)
Lori
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: lotsaboys October 01, 2007, 12:05:57 PM
My thoughts are that the enzymes we get from diet are wonderful and greatly benefit us in many ways. However, for someone who has an enzyme deficiency (health condition) they need extra help, hence the supplement. And I'm hoping its something that they can eventually get away from, but haven't got enough information on that yet to know how that all works. Anyone?
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: beppyjo October 09, 2007, 02:53:51 PM
O.K. I hope that in all my reading I didn't just miss this somewhere........
I am going to give Beeyoutifuls Enzyme Digestive to my dds (4.5yo & 3yo). My question is how much to give them and how to get it down them? Anybody had any success giving it to kids? I licked it  :P to see how bad it tastes and don't think that they will like it as a chewable. I may go ahead and try it but wondered if anyone has any good ideas for me.  3yo dd has chronic  diarrhea and I am hoping that ttu and enzymes will help. We are going to start the yeast diet in about a week. THANK YOU!!!

Beppyjo
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: ForeverGirl October 09, 2007, 03:50:55 PM
There is a NOW Papaya Chewable Enzyme with Mint that my kids like. It is not too expensive and you should be able to find it at most healthfood stores.

To the earlier question; yes, it is best if you can get these enzymes, vitamins, minerals from your foods, and should be able to, if you grow your own veggies and raise your own meat. If you already have a health problem, you may need supplementation for a while, but in the long run, a good home-grown diet should be sufficient.

Rebekah
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: healthybratt October 29, 2007, 08:58:24 AM
I watched an infomercial on digestive enzymes last night.  The guy said mostly the same stuff that's been talked about in the threads, but he also mentioned that enzymes can be very helpful in the healing of a leaky gut.  I also watched him do a demo on how the enzymes work.  I was very intrigued.

He took a bowl of oatmeal and split it with a knife.  Then he poured his enzyme powder on one half of the bowl of oatmeal and within a few minutes you could actually see the oatmeal begin to dissolve while the other side remained thick and chunky.  I'm thinking about trying this demo myself and see what happens.
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: likemanywaters October 29, 2007, 03:27:46 PM
I've stirred a capsule of the NOW Plant Enzymes into my son't oatmeal and watched it liquify before.  :o Happened almost instantly. (I soak my oatmeal overnight).  And you might have read Bekah's baby bottle cheese-making experience.  ;D :D
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: flowergirl October 29, 2007, 05:45:34 PM
I have some experience with enzymes. HIO isn't too far off with the Alzheimer's and enzyme connection.

My daughter is lactose intolerant.  My son also has an enzyme deficiency and needs a broad spectrum enzyme for proteins like gluten, casein and soy, also, fats, carbohydrates and dairy. 

The interesting connection is this....first there is a connection between Alzheimer's and Autism.  There is an Alzheimer's gene, and many, many people with Autism also have it. (For example, my uncle has the gene, so does his son with severe autism, my mom has the gene, and my son also has autism. I haven't been tested for the gene.) It is recommended to people with that gene to detox their bodies regularly. It has something to do with them not being able to excrete metals.

Many, many people with autism also have major gut issues, including things like leaky gut and enzyme deficiencies.

So, it is not a huge leap to say that there is a connection between enzyme deficiencies/gut problems & Alzheimer's.  Maybe more metals are absorbed into your blood stream (therefore into your brain) through a damaged gut wall.

Or maybe I'm nuts too!
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: wearefive December 02, 2008, 04:15:11 AM
Can Digestive Enzymes help with a child who is lactose intolerant?  My daughter has had bad skin problems for about 7 months now.  A natural doctor told me to put her on a milk-free diet to see if it clears up.  I have my daughter on a milk-free diet, and it all cleared up. On Thanksgiving she ate a roll (which had milk in it) and she didn't seems to have a problem.   But on Sunday she got some bread and a snack (from a friend) that most likely had milk in it, and by Monday night she started to get redness on her legs and it was itching.  Could giving her a digest enzyme daily help with this so when she gets food from someone else she won't have a reaction.  Just wondering
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: kittyninja December 02, 2008, 05:53:47 AM
I'll post this here too!!
My hubby was diagnosed with a hiatal hernia. During some research we thought it would be good for him to take some super enzymes (i was getting some anyways) because there tends to be some problems with digestion. I gave him one before Thanksgiving (his first) and it seemed to work fine. Sat I gave him 2 AFTER he ate and complained about feeling real full. He soon developed some nasty heartburn. We were out and about and he was desperate so he stopped and bought some Pepto and that took care of that. I'm just wondering if maybe it had to do with the hernia? or that he took it on an already full stomach? not sure. any thoughts?
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: wearefive December 04, 2008, 05:05:31 AM
Can Digestive Enzymes help with a child who is lactose intolerant?  My daughter has had bad skin problems for about 7 months now.  A natural doctor told me to put her on a milk-free diet to see if it clears up.  I have my daughter on a milk-free diet, and it all cleared up. On Thanksgiving she ate a roll (which had milk in it) and she didn't seems to have a problem.   But on Sunday she got some bread and a snack (from a friend) that most likely had milk in it, and by Monday night she started to get redness on her legs and it was itching.  Could giving her a digest enzyme daily help with this so when she gets food from someone else she won't have a reaction.  Just wondering
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BUMP
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: WellTellMommy March 17, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
I have some experience with enzymes. HIO isn't too far off with the Alzheimer's and enzyme connection.

My daughter is lactose intolerant.  My son also has an enzyme deficiency and needs a broad spectrum enzyme for proteins like gluten, casein and soy, also, fats, carbohydrates and dairy. 

The interesting connection is this....first there is a connection between Alzheimer's and Autism.  There is an Alzheimer's gene, and many, many people with Autism also have it. (For example, my uncle has the gene, so does his son with severe autism, my mom has the gene, and my son also has autism. I haven't been tested for the gene.) It is recommended to people with that gene to detox their bodies regularly. It has something to do with them not being able to excrete metals.

Many, many people with autism also have major gut issues, including things like leaky gut and enzyme deficiencies.

So, it is not a huge leap to say that there is a connection between enzyme deficiencies/gut problems & Alzheimer's.  Maybe more metals are absorbed into your blood stream (therefore into your brain) through a damaged gut wall.

Or maybe I'm nuts too!

OK, I am going to add to this "theory" that food allergies and Blood sugars also are connected to this labyrinth of Digestive enzyme abilities.

Processing takes out the enzymes needed to "process" the food properly which causes all these subsequent illnesses

Isn't it fun to be NUTS!
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: 4myhoonie July 19, 2009, 03:27:19 PM
i would like some opinions on enzymes.  i am comparing these that KristenA suggested above, with Zypan, which i have currently been using.  it is comparitively a lot more expensive, but works great for me, especially i like to use a couple when i eat one of my many food allergens.  so, are they anything alike?  i am having trouble being able to tell if the cheaper one would be effective. 

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/item/keyword/three+lac/itemKey/54251

(i couldn't get the ingredients to copy)

and

http://www.naturamart.com/standard-process-zypan-330-tablets.html

any idea if it will do the same job???  i really don't need another bottle of pills that don't work for me.   ::) 
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: cecac July 19, 2009, 03:53:46 PM
Hello 4myhoonie,

From some reading I've done through Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com) I am under the impression that Zypan is used not as much for enzymes as for help in stomach acids for digestion.  Although, I know there are some enzymes in the Zypan.

So my question would be, do you suspect a lack of stomach acid as one of your issues?  If you do, then I am thinking the NOW product would not work for you.  I may be wrong, but there is one possible thing to consider in this.

I also have a daughter who has success with Zypan in reducing gas.  It is expensive, though, so I understand your dilemma there.  Now I am curious if I could get an enzyme for her and a couple of other daughters and have the same help as I get for the one daughter in Zypan.

Just some thoughts,

: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom July 19, 2009, 03:54:42 PM
i would like some opinions on enzymes.  i am comparing these that KristenA suggested above, with Zypan, which i have currently been using.  it is comparitively a lot more expensive, but works great for me, especially i like to use a couple when i eat one of my many food allergens.  so, are they anything alike?  i am having trouble being able to tell if the cheaper one would be effective. 

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/item/keyword/three+lac/itemKey/54251

(i couldn't get the ingredients to copy)

and

http://www.naturamart.com/standard-process-zypan-330-tablets.html

any idea if it will do the same job???  i really don't need another bottle of pills that don't work for me.   ::) 


The NOW enzymes have excellent ingredients (the betaine and ox bile being key).  I can't see the ingredients to the zypan so I can't tell you how it compares.   I can tell you that the NOW look very similar to what we're taking ingredient wise.  My only caution is pineapple is a very high allergen so make sure you're not allergic to it if you take the NOW ones.

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom July 19, 2009, 03:56:06 PM
Hello 4myhoonie,

From some reading I've done through Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com) I am under the impression that Zypan is used not as much for enzymes as for help in stomach acids for digestion.  Although, I know there are some enzymes in the Zypan.

So my question would be, do you suspect a lack of stomach acid as one of your issues?  If you do, then I am thinking the NOW product would not work for you.  I may be wrong, but there is one possible thing to consider in this.



Betaine is hydrochloric acid so it does increase digestion.

hth

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: cecac July 19, 2009, 04:04:10 PM
Hello 4myhoonie,

From some reading I've done through Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com) I am under the impression that Zypan is used not as much for enzymes as for help in stomach acids for digestion.  Although, I know there are some enzymes in the Zypan.

So my question would be, do you suspect a lack of stomach acid as one of your issues?  If you do, then I am thinking the NOW product would not work for you.  I may be wrong, but there is one possible thing to consider in this.



Betaine is hydrochloric acid so it does increase digestion.

hth

patti

Hmm, well, the Zypan has:  Betaine hydrochloride, pancreas Cytosol extract, pancreatic fatty acid, pepsin, ammonium chloride, bovine spleen, ovine spleen.

.So, it looks like the NOW is more enzymes, perhaps?  The Zypan is more of the acids with less of the enzymes.  I am unsure why the spleen is in the Zypan.

hth,
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: 4myhoonie July 19, 2009, 05:25:32 PM
ok, i think that clears it up for me.  i have always known that it had the hydrochloric acid in it, and have wondered if it was supposed to help your body produce more stomach acid?  my son took it for a period of time cuz he would get "acid" burps that tasted like food.  then after a while he quit and doesn't ever get them any more.  i wonder if it did something like that.  i think i will just have to suck it up and pay for it.  at least there is 330 pills in one bottle!  thanks a bunch gals!
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom July 19, 2009, 05:42:39 PM
After you take digestive enzymes of any sort for a good period of time your body will eventually begin to make enough of their own.  The goal usually is to be able to stop taking enzymes after one year.

hth

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom July 19, 2009, 08:49:13 PM
ok, i think that clears it up for me.  i have always known that it had the hydrochloric acid in it, and have wondered if it was supposed to help your body produce more stomach acid?  my son took it for a period of time cuz he would get "acid" burps that tasted like food.  then after a while he quit and doesn't ever get them any more.  i wonder if it did something like that.  i think i will just have to suck it up and pay for it.  at least there is 330 pills in one bottle!  thanks a bunch gals!

I actually think the NOW enzymes would be way more of what you would need.  The betaine and ox bile will both help increase HCl output and the other stuff will help digest food.  The Zypan will nourish the glands that put out specific enzymes but the betaine is the only thing that is actually helping digest food.  You have no way of knowing if the glandulars are actually causing the glands/organs to put out more.  I also wouldn't want to be taking ammonium chloride.   :P

My .02

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: cecac July 20, 2009, 03:38:44 AM
After you take digestive enzymes of any sort for a good period of time your body will eventually begin to make enough of their own.  The goal usually is to be able to stop taking enzymes after one year.

hth

patti

I  know Dr. Bruce West says if using Zypan that about six months will do it.  It is used for healing, so I guess both of these products have the same idea in them, though the time frame is slightly different. 


: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom July 20, 2009, 05:01:03 AM
After you take digestive enzymes of any sort for a good period of time your body will eventually begin to make enough of their own.  The goal usually is to be able to stop taking enzymes after one year.

hth

patti

I  know Dr. Bruce West says if using Zypan that about six months will do it.  It is used for healing, so I guess both of these products have the same idea in them, though the time frame is slightly different. 




I really think how long someone takes them has way more to do with how bad off their bodies are then what they are taking.  In our home, we've been taking enzymes for 6 months and some of us are BARELY starting to produce more natural enzymes.  But when we started we were wayyyyyyy bad.  So it probably has more to do with that then anything. 

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: cecac July 20, 2009, 05:22:51 AM
Oh yes, I agree. ;)  I think he said so, that is, that it may have to be longer.  All of those statements are usually generalizations, I guess.  The thing is, with some enzyme products, I think they may be marketed as something that one must use All the time.  The one thing that may be possibly true about Zypan in particular and Standard Process in general, is that those truly are live products and therefore they may have a better chance of helping the body heal than some other products. (But not necessarily the NOW brand, I wouldn't know.)

Or so I've read....but 

as always, I'm going to be a bit skeptical on any of this stuff, for we all know  :D ::) just how concerned for our health big business is.

So, 4myhoonie, you may just want to go cheaper on this?  Not sure, but just maybe especially since I looked farther up on the thread and it seems the NOW brand is successful for others, as well.

Blessings,
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: 4myhoonie July 20, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
well, i think i will just order the cheap ones to try out on my kids for some problems they have, and since i'm getting them try them on me too. Zypan works so well for me, that i really think it's more of a stomach acid issue.  sadly, it always seems the expensive stuff works better.   ::)
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: 4myhoonie September 04, 2009, 03:02:57 PM
ok, gals, i need your expertise.  i bought the NOW super enzymes, not sure how much to use, it seems when i use it i sometimes get a heartburn sort of feeling.  also, if i eat a full meal.  i haven't been using it consistently yet, and i still have some Zypan and more coming in the mail.  i am avoiding my allergens, TOTALLY, yesterday was day 1.  i am so addicted to them.  it is really hard, i don't enjoy food when staying away from them.  and i am having a really hard time figuring out what to eat.  i am treating for yeast with threelac/fivelac and have been on it about 6-8 weeks.  i just feel like crud!  i am having vag. burning, not really itching. and this repetitive burping. some come up like hiccups, some are just moving up my esophagus like it's irritated.  it is so bothersome, i don't want to eat anything.  the threelac was helping, and then i don't know what happened, i just can't eat anything.  even kombucha makes me have the burping, the really irritated kind.  what should i do??? take Zypan every time i eat?  what is the cause of this i wonder??? sometimes i take some extra primal defense, and at first it's worse, then better.  i would so like to get to the bottom of this.  oh, and i'm 4 mo. pregnant.  also, i forgot to say, i really thought the burping was the allergens and would take the Zypan when i ate them.  but now i am not having any of them and it hasn't went away.
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom September 04, 2009, 03:25:31 PM
4myhoonie,

Okay - first, pregnancy is going to aggravate the burping as I'm sure you already know.  I also know someone else that has trouble with the NOW enzymes.  I think the problem is the bromelain.  Bromelain is very acidic (which is why they use it) but it can cause real issues for some people.  I guess that's why I prefer the biogest from Thorne.  So you have two options.  You can go to a straight betaine chloride (NOW sells it) which will increase the digestive acids as a whole.  What it won't do (because there is no ox bile) is help if you have fat digestion issues.  So I would start with the betaine and see if you get any relief (I'll buy your NOW enzymes because I have one that can use them if you want).  If you don't get relief from that because of not enough help digesting fats then you will likely need to go to the BioGest.  The problem I've seen with other enzymes that have the ox bile is they also tend to have the bromelain which is a real problem for a lot of people. 

Also, is Zypan a prescription?  If it is, then that's your other problem.  Acid inhibiting drugs actually cause a "bounce back" effect when you go off of them.  You've been creating so little acid for so long because of the drugs that when you go off of them the body goes overboard in production.  This is something you just have to work through and be patient with.  Raw goats milk is known to help with the increased indigestion.

hth

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: 4myhoonie September 05, 2009, 03:56:45 AM
hey patti! thanks! ok, i have some of the NOW Betaine HCI and it seemed to be less effective than the Zypan.  Zypan is a Standard Process Supplement which contains:  Betaine hydrochloride, pancreas Cytosol extract, pancreatin (3x) fatty acid, pepsid, ammonium chloride, bovine spleen & ovine spleen. 

so glad you knew that about the bromelain and it's yours!  is one of the ingredients listed in the Zypan the same as ox bile? i knew that the Zypan was supposed to give needed stomach acids, and i figured i must be short.  a chiro gave it to me years ago, and i've used it for my son and it fixed his acid reflux problem.  i've never been on prescriptions meds.  just many years of eating the wrong foods as a child and adult.  i think what i need to do is take the Zypan twice a day, like was told to me when he first put me on it.  i thought that the NOW Super enzymes would be an approx. equivalent for it, but i guess not.  everything is just so expensive.  thanks so much for your help, i will check back in a few days after using the Zypan like i said. i had been very inconsistent.

: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom September 05, 2009, 04:33:52 AM
I think rather then the zypan, I would recommend using 2-3 betaine with each meal.  In between meals you would do well to use DGL licorice.  It is very cheap and you suck on it between your tongue and cheek.  It will really help.  You can use as much as you want.  It's a stomach/esophageal comfort, not added HCl.  DGL stands for deglycerinized licorice.  I don't like black licorice at all but I can tolerate this stuff by sucking on it where it doesn't touch my tongue much.

patti

p.s.  PM me with the price for the now enzymes.
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Jade September 05, 2009, 11:11:01 AM
So if I understand correctly, taking digestive enzymes on a regular basis long-term is eventually supposed to make your body do a better job of producing them on their own? If so, how? And can anybody point me to a reference where I can read more about this?

I'm thinking that I've probably been having trouble with absorption and properly digesting things for years... but the idea of taking digestive enzymes bothers me if it's something that you're stuck doing for the rest of your life. I don't want to become dependent on something. (Not to mention, the cost is a definite factor!). And also, I'm getting quite overwhelmed by all of the different choices/ingredients.

Maybe I'm just getting old and tired, but today, trying to sort through all of this is just kind of overwhelming. Anybody ever wished that being healthy was a whole lot simpler?  :)
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: hi_itsgwen September 05, 2009, 12:16:25 PM
Anybody ever wished that being healthy was a whole lot simpler?  :)

<raising hand>
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom September 05, 2009, 01:43:12 PM
So if I understand correctly, taking digestive enzymes on a regular basis long-term is eventually supposed to make your body do a better job of producing them on their own? If so, how? And can anybody point me to a reference where I can read more about this?

I'm thinking that I've probably been having trouble with absorption and properly digesting things for years... but the idea of taking digestive enzymes bothers me if it's something that you're stuck doing for the rest of your life. I don't want to become dependent on something. (Not to mention, the cost is a definite factor!). And also, I'm getting quite overwhelmed by all of the different choices/ingredients.

Maybe I'm just getting old and tired, but today, trying to sort through all of this is just kind of overwhelming. Anybody ever wished that being healthy was a whole lot simpler?  :)

Oh, I hear ya!  My husband quibbles all the time that this being healthy stuff is costing him more then going to a doctor!   ;D

As for the enzymes, my family has horrible digestion.  My children inherited their portion from hubby (mostly).  We've had them on GOOD digestive enyzmes for 6 months and we can see a huge improvement in their bodies ability to make their own enzymes.  The reason this works is because if you're not digesting, you're not getting the nutrients the body needs to help create its own enzymes.  So, six months into this, the worst two (my DD8 and DS10) are now sooooooo much better.  If DD misses a meal here or there she still has bowel movements with no trouble (you have no idea what a big deal that is!).  My DS was really bad but even he seems to be doing well if he misses here and there.  The goal is that at the one year mark we will begin to cut out one meal a day for a week at a time for 3 weeks.  At that point we really shouldn't need them anymore.  At least not 3 of us.  But hopefully, all of us.

hth

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: hi_itsgwen September 05, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
If DD misses a meal here or there she still has bowel movements with no trouble (you have no idea what a big deal that is!).  My DS was really bad but even he seems to be doing well if he misses here and there.  The goal is that at the one year mark we will begin to cut out one meal a day for a week at a time for 3 weeks. 

And by 'missing a meal' you mean misses taking the probiotic with the meal, right?   ;D
But if you've somehow found a way to wean children off of food, I'd LOVE to know the secret of that too!  It would really help my grocery budget!  :D :D :D
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom September 05, 2009, 06:00:56 PM
If DD misses a meal here or there she still has bowel movements with no trouble (you have no idea what a big deal that is!).  My DS was really bad but even he seems to be doing well if he misses here and there.  The goal is that at the one year mark we will begin to cut out one meal a day for a week at a time for 3 weeks. 

And by 'missing a meal' you mean misses taking the probiotic with the meal, right?   ;D
But if you've somehow found a way to wean children off of food, I'd LOVE to know the secret of that too!  It would really help my grocery budget!  :D :D :D

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Okay - I was in a hurry and was hoping y'all would extrapolate my meaning.   ;D  If she misses her enzymes at a meal.  There, it's better now. 

 ;D
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: 4myhoonie September 05, 2009, 06:18:06 PM
I think rather then the zypan, I would recommend using 2-3 betaine with each meal.  In between meals you would do well to use DGL licorice.  It is very cheap and you suck on it between your tongue and cheek.  It will really help.  You can use as much as you want.  It's a stomach/esophageal comfort, not added HCl.  DGL stands for deglycerinized licorice.  I don't like black licorice at all but I can tolerate this stuff by sucking on it where it doesn't touch my tongue much.

patti

p.s.  PM me with the price for the now enzymes.

so what exactly does that help with the digestion of?  proteins, carbs, etc.? i seem to have a real hard time digesting meat so i just am not eating much of it.  i'm thinking that the inability to absorb stuff is the reason i can't grow hair and fingernails well anymore.  it's getting worse.  when i tried it, why did the Zypan work better than the Betaine HCI? i have always thought that i had inadequate stomach acid.  trying to figure this all out......
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Jade September 07, 2009, 05:09:09 PM
Thanks, mykidsmom! That makes sense about the enzymes allowing you to absorb the nutrients you need so that, in the long run, everything works properly on its own.

So... anybody got an opinion on the Garden of Life brand of enzymes, specifically Ω-Zyme Ultra, Ultimate Digestive Enzyme Blend? (List of ingredients here: http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-8486-Zyme-Ultra-Ultimate-Digestive-Enzyme-Blend-180-Veggie-Caps/7796?at=0 (http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-8486-Zyme-Ultra-Ultimate-Digestive-Enzyme-Blend-180-Veggie-Caps/7796?at=0))
They have good reviews, and I've liked the Garden of Life brand in other things I've bought before, but I don't want to waste my money if they're no good.

They also don't contain ox bile. How essential is that stuff?  :P
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom September 07, 2009, 07:38:33 PM
I think rather then the zypan, I would recommend using 2-3 betaine with each meal.  In between meals you would do well to use DGL licorice.  It is very cheap and you suck on it between your tongue and cheek.  It will really help.  You can use as much as you want.  It's a stomach/esophageal comfort, not added HCl.  DGL stands for deglycerinized licorice.  I don't like black licorice at all but I can tolerate this stuff by sucking on it where it doesn't touch my tongue much.

patti

p.s.  PM me with the price for the now enzymes.

so what exactly does that help with the digestion of?  proteins, carbs, etc.? i seem to have a real hard time digesting meat so i just am not eating much of it.  i'm thinking that the inability to absorb stuff is the reason i can't grow hair and fingernails well anymore.  it's getting worse.  when i tried it, why did the Zypan work better than the Betaine HCI? i have always thought that i had inadequate stomach acid.  trying to figure this all out......

Each enzyme helps something different digest.  Ox bile is for digesting fats and proteins but even more specific, it helps to digest all of the more difficult foods.  Protease is for proteins, etc.  So each enzyme in a capsule supports a different function.  The issue is that most people have difficulty in one area over another.  So you have to make sure you have MORE of the enzymes needed for your difficult area.  For you, it sounds like you really need the ox bile right now.  I'll write more about this in a PM to you.

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom September 07, 2009, 07:43:08 PM
Thanks, mykidsmom! That makes sense about the enzymes allowing you to absorb the nutrients you need so that, in the long run, everything works properly on its own.

So... anybody got an opinion on the Garden of Life brand of enzymes, specifically Ω-Zyme Ultra, Ultimate Digestive Enzyme Blend? (List of ingredients here: http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-8486-Zyme-Ultra-Ultimate-Digestive-Enzyme-Blend-180-Veggie-Caps/7796?at=0 (http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-8486-Zyme-Ultra-Ultimate-Digestive-Enzyme-Blend-180-Veggie-Caps/7796?at=0))
They have good reviews, and I've liked the Garden of Life brand in other things I've bought before, but I don't want to waste my money if they're no good.

They also don't contain ox bile. How essential is that stuff?  :P

Ox bile is extremely important as far as I'm concerned.  I've tried enyzmes without and they just aren't as effective.  I did not look up GOL but what you need is an enzyme WITHOUT bromelain or pineapple.  These tend to be very hard on the stomach and not real effective.  A good enzyme will have the protease, amylase, lactase, etc. and the ox bile added.  When you start getting into the papaya and pineapple additions, it is NOT going to be a very strong enzyme and people with digestive issues need a very strong enzyme.  I have tried several with my family and I keep going back to BioGest by Thorne.  The problem is it is so darned expensive.  The cheapest I've found it is Naturamart.com for $23 something (they have a 20% discount always) and free shipping.  Otherwise, I've been unable to find one with the same ingredients and I've searched high and low.  So if you find one, please do share!!

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mommyjen September 07, 2009, 10:01:21 PM
What about taking just ox bile along with another enzyme?  Here's one for $8.97, each capsule is 500mg, and there's 100 caps.  http://www.vitacost.com/NutriCology-Ox-Bile/pd_section-pr#ProductReviews 

I read that constipation and tan colored stools can be a symptom of of low bile levels.  Has this been anyone's experience?

: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: hi_itsgwen September 08, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
From Prescription for Nutritional Healing: info on enzymes and probiotics

http://books.google.com/books?id=2s_q2y_J3rwC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=protease,+amylase,+lactase,+ox+bile&source=bl&ots=cR32tSLdvT&sig=nrTEcjUNoUjoitFMekTDVnFpChU&hl=en&ei=3qWmSsefEo3ilAeg1rWWBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=protease%2C%20amylase%2C%20lactase%2C%20ox%20bile&f=false

Starting on p. 70, she talks about enzymes and what each one breaks down, and then lists ingredients of some of the brands. 
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: hi_itsgwen September 11, 2009, 04:13:56 PM
I also found this article very helpful in understanding the differences between digestive and absorption issues, and he also goes into detail about what enzyme supplements are made of:

http://www.elliotthealthcare.com/digestion_problems.htm

: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Jade October 23, 2009, 04:24:44 PM


 I have tried several with my family and I keep going back to BioGest by Thorne. 

patti

I got some of these and have been taking them. I'm wondering... what happens if you take a digestive enzyme and you don't "need" it? Anything?

Also, I don't see lactase listed on the bottle. Does this brand include something to digest dairy?

: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: 4myhoonie October 23, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
I also found this article very helpful in understanding the differences between digestive and absorption issues, and he also goes into detail about what enzyme supplements are made of:

http://www.elliotthealthcare.com/digestion_problems.htm



thank you for that informative article!!  my son has 7 of the 9 symptoms listed for pancreatic enzyme definciency!  guess i'd better be more dilligent about giving him enzymes!  thanks!
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom October 23, 2009, 07:10:22 PM


 I have tried several with my family and I keep going back to BioGest by Thorne. 

patti

I got some of these and have been taking them. I'm wondering... what happens if you take a digestive enzyme and you don't "need" it? Anything?

Also, I don't see lactase listed on the bottle. Does this brand include something to digest dairy?



If you don't need the enzymes it will do nothing to hurt you.  It will only make your food break down that much better.  When my MIL got cancer she had decent digestion but they gave her TONS of enzymes because the better food breaks down the better it can heal because more nutrients can be extracted from the broken down food.  So extra enzymes won't hurt you a bit.

I don't have the BioGest in front of me but it does break down dairy.  It doesn't use lactase because people who are allergic to dairy (as I am) wouldn't be able to take them. 

hth

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: lovingmomof2 January 04, 2010, 04:10:44 AM
I am having a little trouble comparing 2 children's digestive enzymes.  I am not good at reading these labels.  I am hoping someone might be able to help me out.

this is the brand that we are currently using.  I also use their chewable probiotic for the kids.
http://www.renewlife.com/products/buddy-bear-digest.aspx

here is the other.
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=231565&catid=70275&aid=337953&aparam=nature_s_plus_animal_par&CAWELAID=444304623


If you know of another brand that is better and kids will take I would love to hear about it too.  Thanks for the help.
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom January 04, 2010, 05:30:31 AM
I am having a little trouble comparing 2 children's digestive enzymes.  I am not good at reading these labels.  I am hoping someone might be able to help me out.

this is the brand that we are currently using.  I also use their chewable probiotic for the kids.
http://www.renewlife.com/products/buddy-bear-digest.aspx

This looks fine.  My own concern is it is made with some sort of crusteacean (fish) and those tend to be high allergens.  Not saying that would affect your kids, but if they have allergies it could.


here is the other.
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=231565&catid=70275&aid=337953&aparam=nature_s_plus_animal_par&CAWELAID=444304623

Again, this one looks okay except the pineapple it contains would be a concern if there are any chances of food allergies. 



If you know of another brand that is better and kids will take I would love to hear about it too.  Thanks for the help.

Otherwise, I think they look fine, you would just want to make sure there are no allergy issues to these two things since they tend to be on the allergy list.

patti
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: lovingmomof2 January 04, 2010, 05:37:31 AM
I am having a little trouble comparing 2 children's digestive enzymes.  I am not good at reading these labels.  I am hoping someone might be able to help me out.

this is the brand that we are currently using.  I also use their chewable probiotic for the kids.
http://www.renewlife.com/products/buddy-bear-digest.aspx

This looks fine.  My own concern is it is made with some sort of crusteacean (fish) and those tend to be high allergens.  Not saying that would affect your kids, but if they have allergies it could.


here is the other.
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=231565&catid=70275&aid=337953&aparam=nature_s_plus_animal_par&CAWELAID=444304623

Again, this one looks okay except the pineapple it contains would be a concern if there are any chances of food allergies. 



If you know of another brand that is better and kids will take I would love to hear about it too.  Thanks for the help.

Otherwise, I think they look fine, you would just want to make sure there are no allergy issues to these two things since they tend to be on the allergy list.

patti

The only food allergy that we have is wheat.  Can you tell me if they are about the same or if one is better/stronge than the other.
My son tends to have a lot of tummy aches and I believe this is part of the prblem.  Thanks
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: mykidsmom January 04, 2010, 09:59:00 AM


The only food allergy that we have is wheat.  Can you tell me if they are about the same or if one is better/stronge than the other.
My son tends to have a lot of tummy aches and I believe this is part of the prblem.  Thanks

The Buddy Bear is better but still pretty low in terms of units of enzyme. 
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: lovingmomof2 January 04, 2010, 11:33:26 AM


The only food allergy that we have is wheat.  Can you tell me if they are about the same or if one is better/stronger than the other.
My son tends to have a lot of tummy aches and I believe this is part of the problem.  Thanks

The Buddy Bear is better but still pretty low in terms of units of enzyme. 

What would be good/recommended as far as units of enzymes?  Maybe I could find a better/stronger one for them.  Do you know of a good one?  Thanks for all your help.
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: herbalmom January 04, 2010, 11:51:25 AM
The only food allergy that we have is wheat.  Can you tell me if they are about the same or if one is better/stronge than the other.
My son tends to have a lot of tummy aches and I believe this is part of the prblem.  Thanks

If there's wheat allergies there could be allergies to either gluten &/or dairy that could be the problem also. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom January 04, 2010, 02:54:21 PM
The only food allergy that we have is wheat.  Can you tell me if they are about the same or if one is better/stronge than the other.
My son tends to have a lot of tummy aches and I believe this is part of the prblem.  Thanks

If there's wheat allergies there could be allergies to either gluten &/or dairy that could be the problem also. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

Would have to second this.  If he's having tummy aches and you're not eating wheat then he's likely allergic to gluten. 

The enzymes I know of are for adults but I know people who break open the capsules and give them to their kids.  Beeyoutiful has a good one.  BioGest by Thorne is good (except unavailable mostly right now), PanPlex 2 Phase is good but is a pill that would have to be cut. 

patti
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: skelliott2 January 04, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
http://www.houston-enzymes.com/

This place has enzymes created specifically for autistic spectrum allergies: gluten, phenols, and dairy.  They helped my son's allergies A LOT.  Kind of pricey, but worth it.  IMO.
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: lovingmomof2 January 05, 2010, 05:39:45 AM
I have had my son tested for food allergies and gluten/celiac disease.  The only things that he showed problems with were wheat and dust mights.  I do believe that he has issues with digestion. 

He was born early (in a hospital) which resulted in him being given antibiotics as a precaution.  I believe that this is more than likely the cause of his issues.  He did get wheat the first 2 years of his life, so this would have added to it.
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: skelliott2 January 05, 2010, 06:53:23 AM
Mine was exposed to whooping cough in the newborn nursery at the hospital.  Another baby that was there with him actually died from it.  So, he was given a huge dose of antibiotics his first week of life.  I don't doubt that has something to do with it.

Mine is also one those weird ones who could handle small amounts of gluten (like spelt), but no wheat.  So, I know what you're talking about.  He handled milk, somewhat, but raw milk worked a lot better.  If you have access to some, it might help, too.

Anyway, these enzymes changed his life.  It was one of several things we tried, actually the last thing, but it finished the job.  We used the ones that helped with gluten proteins, and another one to just help with digestion.  We never messed with the phenol one.  He can now eat wheat, where he couldn't before.  And only needs the enzymes every so often.  We used them every day for about 3-6 months.  I can't remember exactly how long.  After that, we phased them out, and only use as needed now. 

I will say, though, that he's now 13 and taller than my husband.  So, age may have something to do with it, too.  But the enzymes helped him a lot when he was younger.  Maybe worth a try?
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: skelliott2 January 05, 2010, 06:56:06 AM
Oh, this is the book that explained the enzyme protocol, just in case you want to read it:

http://www.amazon.com/Enzymes-Autism-Neurological-Conditions-Updated/dp/0972591850/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262710522&sr=8-1
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: 4myhoonie January 05, 2010, 06:01:44 PM
http://www.houston-enzymes.com/

This place has enzymes created specifically for autistic spectrum allergies: gluten, phenols, and dairy.  They helped my son's allergies A LOT.  Kind of pricey, but worth it.  IMO.

so you used these tri-enza ones?  wow, that is quite the story!
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: skelliott2 January 05, 2010, 06:49:30 PM
Actually, we used Peptizyde and Zymeprime.  But the tri-enza one would probably be good, too.  What we liked about these is: they are specially formulated for these types of allergies.  So, even though they were expensive, we're now feeding him normal food.  That saves a LOT of money, so, in the end, they were cheaper than just a wheat-free diet.

But, like I said, he's also older, so maybe that has something to do with it.  But, the enzymes really helped him a lot.
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: hi_itsgwen January 12, 2010, 10:53:03 AM
I ran across this the other day, and thought it would apply to those of you using enzyme therapy with gluten allergies:

I ran across this tidbit of info on bromelain, and wondered if you'd heard this:
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/23/16.cfm
 
"Bromelain also appears to be helpful for people with food allergies, especially allergies to wheat and other grains, says Dr. Kelly. In one Japanese study, bromelain was added to wheat flour, which was then used to make bread. The enzyme changed the structure of a protein in the wheat and allowed people with wheat allergies to eat the bread without having an allergic response."

Don't know any more than this, but I thought it might warrant further study.  

Patti has mentioned that her family is allergic to pineapples, so the bromelain is out for them.  It would be best to know if you're allergic to pineapple before using bromelain, otherwise, the results could be the opposite of what you'd expect.
 
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: mommyjen January 12, 2010, 11:09:51 AM
I ran across this the other day, and thought it would apply to those of you using enzyme therapy with gluten allergies:

I ran across this tidbit of info on bromelain, and wondered if you'd heard this:
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/23/16.cfm
 
"Bromelain also appears to be helpful for people with food allergies, especially allergies to wheat and other grains, says Dr. Kelly. In one Japanese study, bromelain was added to wheat flour, which was then used to make bread. The enzyme changed the structure of a protein in the wheat and allowed people with wheat allergies to eat the bread without having an allergic response."

Don't know any more than this, but I thought it might warrant further study.  

Patti has mentioned that her family is allergic to pineapples, so the bromelain is out for them.  It would be best to know if you're allergic to pineapple before using bromelain, otherwise, the results could be the opposite of what you'd expect.
 


Very interesting, Gwen!  I wanted to add that I've been using Absorb-Aid with bromelain (no pineapple allergies) with good results. The reason I like Absorb-Aid is because it's been clinically tested (by the Mayo Clinic and a few others) and proven to be potent. It's what Shonda Parker recommends for morning sickness/the first trimester. It costs less in the powder form than capsule and is very reasonable priced. I bought mine at lucky vitamin.  When reading review on vitacost, amazon, lucky vitamin, etc. before purchasing many people say they the finally found results with this digestive enzyme or come back to it after trying other/cheaper brands.  I'm sure it's not the only one that works well, but just wanted to mention a good one!  Here's some info absorb aid/digestion info:

NATURE'S SOURCES, Absorb Aid

Nature's Sources, LLC. offers a 100% vegetarian plant enzyme called AbsorbAid®. It contains a broad array of plants enzymes that aid in digesting protein, fat and carbohydrates, plus fiber and lactose (milk sugar).

What's the sense of eating healthy foods and taking supplements if your body isn't absorbing the nutrients?

As we age, our body's ability to produce digestive enzymes decreases. That's why many people become lactose intolerant as they age - the body reduces, and sometimes stops the production of lactase, the enzyme that breaks down the milk sugar in dairy products. It's not just lactase, the production of all enzymes are reduced. AbsorAid® helps you digest all food groups, especially dairy and fats.

Scientific Studies

Results from Mayo Clinic and Roche Laboratories show that AbsorbAid® increases absoprtion of nurtients up to 71%. (See below for more detailed information on each nutrient)

    *
      Selenium by 20% (Roche Labs)
    *
      Zinc by 71% (Roche Labs)
    *
      EPA - Omega 3 by 33% (Mayo Clinic)
    *
      Linoleic Acid - Omega 6 by 50% (Mayo Clinic)
    *
      Vitamin B6 by 15% (Vitamin Diagnostics)

Publication of a study, "short bowel syndrome" patients in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition showed that AbsorbAid® decreased the incedience of diarrhea by 37%, and increased their nutrient absorption. The study was performed on individueal who have had some or most of their intestines surgically removed, and concluded that AbsorbAid® was able to hyperdigest foods.

Absorption disorders among short bowel syndrome patients is a major problem. These findings are significant, and show great promise in treating the thousands of individuals that require daily intravenous infusion of nutrients to survive.These symptoms also effect several thousand other patients that use liquid diets or liquid meal supplements for survival. Liquid meal supplements often cause diarrhea, and these symptoms are similar to those experienced by HIV and cancer patients undergoing radiation and chemotherapy, all of which have shown improvement with this oral enzyme.

What does Dr. Weils say?

In an issue of Self Healing, (Dr. Weil's monthly newsletter) Dr. Andrew Weil, Editor, recommends AbsorbAid’s™ predecessor pet digestive enzyme, Prozyme™. Dr. Weil’s recommendation is based upon the formulations ability to help digest and absorb nutrients more effectively.

AbsorbAid™ is a unique digestive enzyme. The only one that has been scientifically proven to increase the absorption of vital nutrients up to 71%. These results come from Mayo Clinic Labs and Roche Labs.

AbsorbAid™ is also the healthier option to antacids and acid blockers. When used with meals, AbsorbAid™ can prevent the symptoms of heartburn and other stomach aliments, and can also be used to provide relief when heartburn develops.

FAQs - By Dr. Ray Bayley, DC, DACBN (Board Certified in Nutrition)


Q: Why is it so important to have acid in our stomachs?


A: Stomach acid has many functions such as killing bad microbes that might be in our food. (For example, that is partly why only some people get symptoms of food poisoning among a group eating the tainted food.) Stomach acid itself digests some of our food and it activates enzymes that digest more. Stomach acid, in combination with other secretions in our gastrointestinal tract, gives us the proper balance of acid and alkaline that allows our digestive enzymes to work their best. This balance of acid and alkaline also encourages the growth of friendly microbes (the kind that make vitamins and antibiotics for us right there in our GI tract) and discourages the growth of unfriendly microbes (ones that can steal nutrients, produce gas, irritation, poisons, diseases).

Unfortunately, for the average American, our ability to produce acid and digestive enzymes tends to decrease as we age, often becoming a severe problem when we age. In fact, the statistics are that THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE TAKING ANTACIDS AND ACID BLOCKERS WERE NOT PRODUCING ENOUGH STOMACH ACID TO BEGIN WITH. Startling isn't it? The antacids and acid blockers were taken based on symptoms of indigestion, not an actual analysis of stomach acid output. The symptoms that led to the antacids and acid blockers are more often due clinically to inadequate and too slow digestion and the growth of unfriendly microbes. The truth of this can be seen in the individual by improving the digestion and getting rid of the unfriendly microbes.

Q: What Happens When We Use Antacids?

A: If the antacids actually do remove acid, then we are decreasing the positive benefits of acid noted above--digestion, setting the stage for digestion, microbe control.

Calcium antacids can be a cheap source of calcium if you can absorb and utilize that particular kind of calcium and if it doesn't encourage magnesium deficiency (common in americans)

Calcium is difficult to digest and absorb, acid plays an important role in that, and thus antacids can decrease the availability of the calcium you eat.

Calcium antacids are so efficient at neutralizing acid that the stomach thinks a LOT of food must have arrived and puts out more acid (called rebound hyperacidity), if it can. This often leads to antacid addiction--you are taking more and more antacids over time to get the same results. Now you might actually HAVE too much acid, UNLESS you take your antacids routinely. This may also occur with acid blockers It's a vicious cycle that should be stopped.

Magnesium antacids are mostly nonabsorbable and usually will not help with magnesium deficiencies. They can instead bind up other nutrients and water, leading to a watery stool or diarrhea. The research showing that aluminum is toxic is growing yearly. Therefore, aluminum antacids are suspicious and should be avoided if possible.

Q: Are acid blockers safe to use?

A: Acid blockers (e.g. Axid®, Pepcid®, Tagamet®, Zantac®) are designed to decrease the ability of your stomach to produce acid--a doubtful benefit...and an unnecessary one if improving digestion or getting rid of unfriendly microbes gets rid of the problem.

We know that at least some acid blockers can seriously impair the ability of the liver to get rid of poisons. Like all drugs, acid blockers are poisons that the body must eventually get rid of. Thus you are taking a poison that can make other poisons more poisonous.

The list of acid blocker side effects reported in the literature is long and wide-ranging. Some of it can be explained by their interference with liver function, some is as yet unexplained.

AND, just like the rebound hyperacidity and addiction mentioned above with antacids, one can get addicted to acid blockers. The body is exquisitely designed to adapt to adversity AND the stomach is designed to put out acid in response to food. Often the stomach gets used to the antacids and acid blockers, taking them in account, and comes to rely on them for normal functioning.

IF one needs to take a drug, a poison, it should be taken for only a short time until healthy processes can be restored. Improved digestion is healthy for the body. "First do no harm" is the time-honored guide in therapy, therefore improve digestion as a first choice, as a healthier option to taking antacids and acid blockers, whenever possible.

Ingredients and Activities

Using activities to measure an enzyme formulations effectiveness can be very misleading. The following was taken from Today’s Chiropractic and describes some of the problems with using activities as an indicator of an enzyme's effectiveness.

        "Since many different descriptions of potencies are used, it is almost impossible to compare products or even convert from one type of units or weights to another. Until a central testing facility uses the same method for determining total proteolytic activity, and tests every batch of every product, no one will really know which products are superior. One way to avoid the nightmare of comparing label claims and prices is to examine the company promoting the product. If a company… has demonstrated longevity in the industry with a reputation for consistent high quality, then one can be reasonably certain of obtaining a successful product."

Today’s Chiropractic

Enzyme activities are measured in a lab, isolated form other enzymes, food, and the effects of stomach acid on these enzymes. Enzymes are proteins, and proteins are broken down by stomach acid. AbsorbAid® was developed to be stomach acid stable, so it works in the stomach, and continues to be effective in the small intestine. AbsorbAid's® formula has been used for over 15 years by MD’s and alternative medicine doctors. Dr. Andrew Weil recommends AbsorbAid's® predecessor pet digestive enzyme. There are scientific studies proving that AbsorbAid® increases nutrient absorption up to 71%.

I hope this clears up some of the questions that you might have about activities. For your information, I’ve included AbsorbAid’s® activities.

Two (2) Capsules provide - Lipase (381 LU), Amylase (2772 SKBU), Protease {From Bromelain} (12 GDU), Cellulose (99 CU), Lactase (300 LacU). Daily use is based upon 2 capsules with each meal.

Suggested Use

For better digestion of food and optimal absorption of nutrients take 2 capsules, (¼ - ½ teaspoon of powder) with each meal. (More should be used by individuals with compromised digestive systems.) When you experience occasional indigestion, or for nightime discomfort, Open 2 capsules and mix in 2-4 oz. of room temperature water.

AbsorbAid® is not a drug, and there isn't a dosage that will be harmful. AbsorbAid® can be used as often as necessary, when symptoms develop.
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: healthybratt January 13, 2010, 07:11:06 AM
The only thing that will fix the eczema is to remove offending foods.  
This may true for some, but...
Topic derail  ::) (my fault).  Split and moved here (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,26236.msg246955.html#new).
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: tinablov March 02, 2011, 06:53:39 AM
After you take digestive enzymes of any sort for a good period of time your body will eventually begin to make enough of their own.  The goal usually is to be able to stop taking enzymes after one year.

hth

patti

I know this post is a couple years old and you may never see this post.  I wanted to ask whether your family started to make their own enzymes after a year of taking the enzymes.  My younger son can't digest his fats or carbs well - lots of undigested foods.  I was hoping that the year protocol would work for him.  He's almost three years old.

Thank you
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Sewbusy March 04, 2011, 07:30:03 AM
Has anyone had repeated stomach aches from taking digestive enzymes? I get such a bad ache (like knives in my stomach) every time I take them but I know I need them. I have tried beeyoutiful's and some others and they all do this to me. Any pros out there with any ideas??
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Sewbusy June 26, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
bumping this. didn't realize I had already asked this but I NEED the enzymes but man do they make me hurt!
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom June 27, 2012, 05:27:13 AM
What brand are you using (or have used in the past)?  Do ALL enzymes do this to you?  Check for bromelain/pineapple in them.  If you have an allergy to it (and most people don't know if they do) it can cause this kind of pain. 
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Sewbusy June 27, 2012, 04:17:52 PM
I have used Beeyoutiful's and one that my chiropractor gave me that is similar to Beeyoutiful's. Bromelain doesn't bother me and I am thinking of just using that. Can't remember how papaya makes me feel. Been a long time since I took that one. "Protease" from Nature's Sunshine also makes me sick.
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: mykidsmom June 27, 2012, 05:53:53 PM

You can either try a bromelain/papaya blend with nothing else in it or better yet, just get plain old HCl or betain chloride.  Either one would not have the protease in it and is what your body already produces so should not bother you.  Not sure why protease bothers you but it might be worth investigating as it's the enzyme we use to digest proteins. 
: Re: Digestive Enzymes: What, When, Why & How
: Sewbusy June 27, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
I was taking it to digest proteins in particular because I have a very hard time digesting them when I am pregnant. I would like to find out the "Why?" although maybe it is just SEVERE leaky gut and candida overgrowth?