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: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: YoopreMama October 10, 2008, 04:19:40 AM
All righty... ;D

I hope this can be akin to the Master Cleanse Log...where those on anti-yeast diets can check in for support, post struggles and success, and ask ?s of others on anti-candida diets.

We've been discussing doing this on the Fighting Candida While Nursing/PG (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html) thread, as well as Shabby's 40 day Anti-Yeast Cleanse for Nursing Mamas (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20852.msg204904/topicseen.html#new) thread.

A couple of us are planning to do a "slower/more gentle" version, as we are nursing wee ones, and want the die-off to be less intense.  Some are following more of a Maker's Diet plan.  All are welcome!   ;D

This site has the plan that some nursing moms (myself included) are beginning.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

It has VERY good information, IMO, and she's not selling anything.  ;)   There are menu plans, recipes, and articles on anti-yeast plans for babies and children.  She's been cited several times on WTM.   :)

Here's the general plan from her site:
(Jemima--will you do Pau d'Arco?  I'm not clear if that's the one that dries up milk--thought it was the black walnut...will have to check.)

Example Program for Making Changes:
1.   Start eliminating some A. Sugars that feed candida (below), and at the same time start to increase good fats, i.e. butter, coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil, and protein (if your intake was quite low), Do not increase proteins more than you increase good fats – try to keep a balance of 20% protein to 60% fat. If your protein intake was high you might need to lower it temporarily until you can increase your fats enough. If there are not enough fats in ratio to proteins it will cause constipation. If you increase protein without good fats you can also get sick, including an upset stomach. It is more important to get your fat ratios up to recommended levels than to increase protein too fast. Keeping the correct ratios of fats to proteins will become more important as you lower your carbs.

2.   Continue eliminating A. Sugars and start eliminating B. Dairy Products (below), as well as continuing to increase good fats, protein only if required. Also start eliminating man-made vegetable oils and fats (except olive oil).

3.   Continue eliminating A. Sugars, B. Dairy and work on eliminating some foods listed under C. High carb foods. Since it is more difficult to increase fats than proteins, concentrate on increasing good fats, even if you have to eat it by the tablespoon with meals.

4.   At this point you should have eliminated all of A. Sugars, and B. Dairy. Continue eliminating more foods listed under C. High Carb Foods (below) and continue increasing good saturated fats. If your fat intake is lagging do not increase protein until you are able to obtain enough good fats. Also eliminate all soybean or soy products of any kind and start eliminating all processed foods.

5. At this point you should have eliminated A, Sugars, B. Dairy and C. High Carb Foods. Now start eliminating D. High carb/sugar vegetables. At the same time work on increasing good saturated fats and continue eliminating all processed foods and also eliminate all sources of yeast, fungi and molds.

6.   At this point you should have eliminated A, Sugars, B. Dairy, C. High Carb Foods and D. High carb/sugar vegetables. Eliminate D. Seeds and Nuts. At the same time work on increasing good saturated fats and continue eliminating all processed foods.

7.   At this point you should have eliminated all foods that feed candida and all man-made oils and fats, soy, and most processed foods. Hopefully you are now getting enough fats so you can eat the amount of protein recommended.

8.   Now you can start taking essential supplements . Start with low doses and gradually increase them. If you have problems taking some of them cut back on the dose or spread out the amounts taken more throughout the day, i.e. taking smaller doses more frequently. Ensure you have supplements with meals, and that you take hydrochloric acid supplements (HCl) to help digest them. If you get nauseated on supplements, increase the amount of HCl. When you start on cod liver oil or fish oil add them to your total fat intake.

9.   Antifungals , When to Start on Them - After you are completely following the entire diet and taking all of the essential supplements, AND you have gotten through some of the worst "die-off" symptoms, you are ready to start on antifungals. Some people must be on the diet up to 6 months before they can tolerate antifungals. Only take one antifungal, other than coconut oil, which is part of the diet, and Pau D'Arco Tea (a mild antifungal that also detoxifies). The best antifungal is raw crushed certified organic garlic, and close runners up are oil of oregano or clove oil. Always start at a low dose and gradually increase them. If you experience too many die-off symptoms try taking smaller doses more often during the day. If the symptoms are too intolerable you might have to stop taking it for awhile longer, staying on the diet and supplements. Some people need to be on them 3 to 6 months before they can tolerate another antifungal. You try again later.

10.   Probiotics, When to Start on Them - Once you are no longer having severe die-off symptoms from the antifungal you can start on probiotics – see the main article "How to Successfully Overcome Candida" for a full explanation. At this point in time you are doing all 4 Steps of the candida program at the same time, and you would continue doing all 4 Steps until you have cured your candida.
 
Foods that Feed Candida
A.   All sugars, artificial sugar or sugar substitutes (except stevia), and sources of sugars, including fruits (except lemons), honey, maple syrup and any foods and supplements that contain sugar.
B.   All dairy products, except butter, butter oil and ghee (clarified butter), including cheese, milk, cream, buttermilk, kefir, yogurt, etc. Most candida sufferers do not respond favorably to kefir and yogurt, even when it homemade from raw dairy, so it is best to eliminate them.
C.   High carb foods such as starches, grains and legumes (plants with seed pods), including breads, cereal, pasta, pizza, cereal, baked goods, peas and beans from seed pods, potatoes, etc.
D.   High carb/sugar vegetables, i.e. beats, squash, corn, parsnips, sweet potatoes, yams, carrots, etc.
E.   All seeds and nuts.

Please see a thorough explanation of these foods in the article "How to Successfully Overcome Candida" so you understand why these foods feed candida.

Bee's Candida Control Diet
(consists of 3 food groups:  proteins, fats & carbs)
•   Moderate protein from animal meats, eggs and seafood. Eggs are one of the most perfect foods you can eat, particularly raw certified organic free-range eggs – see Bee's raw egg drink in the Recipe Folder.
•   High "good" fats and oils, including oil soluble vitamins and omega-3 essential fatty acids, such as naturally occurring fats in meats, eggs and seafood, coconut oil, butter, lard, etc. These "good" fats do not create body fat; man-made vegetable fats and oils and carbs DO. They also do not cause cholesterol problems – the cholesterol theory is totally false – see the article "How to Successfully Overcome Candida" for more information on this.
•   Eliminate all "bad" and damaging man-made fats and oils, which is all vegetable oils other than extra virgin olive oil, such as Canola Oil, Soybean Oil, Safflower Oil, Wesson Oil, Crisco, margarines, etc. – they are all man-made fats and oils which act like plastic (toxic) to the body. You wouldn't melt plastic and eat it, nor should you damage your health by eating these plastic oils and fats.
•   Eliminate all sources of soybeans and soybean products, which are very damaging to the body.
•   Eliminate all processed foods.
•   Eliminate yeast, mold and fungi contained in foods and the environment – Candida overgrowth can greatly increase the chances of a reaction to all types and forms of yeast, mold and fungi - see the list in the article "How to Successfully Overcome Candida".
•   Eat low carbohydrates, which are all foods that are not classified as protein or fats. Only eat low carb vegetables – see handy lists in the "Candida Diet" Folder for all of the foods and vegetables recommended.
•   Eliminates toxic sources as much as possible, i.e. over-the-counter drugs and other medical drugs, even hormone replacement, blood pressure pills, anti-depressants, etc. Gradually cut back on taking them as you start on the Immune Building part of the diet. Also eliminate all Teflon cookware, plastics, toxic body care and household cleaning products, household molds, etc. Do not microwave any foods or beverages, not even water. Irradiation and microwaving damages the body's blood cells. Synthetic carpets are also toxic and may require many shampoos before getting rid of the worst toxic effects.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php
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: InEverything October 10, 2008, 05:47:18 AM
I am on the team and cheering for you!!  :) :) :) I am starting the Maker's Diet today. My hope is to eliminate hypoglycemia/ candida issues.  I am not eliminating pork, however, and I don't plan on buying all of the supplements.  I will eventually need some sort of probiotic and probably cod liver oil when my budget allows.
I will praying for the ladies in this thread.
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: Jemima October 10, 2008, 07:02:55 AM
This is great! Well, breakfast went well...  :D  Scrambled eggs and toast w/butter and cinnamon.  Feels strange not to have any fruit w/breakfast!

Snacks are my downfall, I think.  I always keep homemade cookies on hand for hubby's lunch, so it's way too easy to grab one when I'm feeling hungry.  I think I'll start keeping washed, cut-up veggies in the fridge for munching.  Nuts are good... Maybe I can find some sugar-free, natural peanut butter for celery sticks... 

What are you all eating?
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: amazonmama2five October 10, 2008, 07:15:50 AM
Sadly, nothing!  I don't want to blow it and don't know what to eat.......  Fasting for few hours won't hurt me I guess.  ;) :P 

Jemima, do you own a food processor?  We have made our own PB in the past and it is easy and good.  Just whir your peanuts until they are of powder consistency and add your oil through the drop-at-a-time attachment.

Praying for everyone!
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: InEverything October 10, 2008, 07:21:18 AM

What are you all eating?

Things are different for me since I am not nursing... for breakfast I had bacon and eggs and for lunch I am planning on kippered snacks and maybe peas with butter.  I will be buying some more almonds to keep on hand, cut up vegetables is a great idea.  I am also drinking lots of water with lemon and sea salt. Yum! :)
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: YoopreMama October 10, 2008, 07:28:02 AM
Welcome, InEverything  ;D.  I appreciate your prayers.  :)  I am also not eliminating pork.  I had blueberries today...I may keep them for now, we'll see.  I've already cut other groups back so much (dairy, bread, etc.)...I don't want to "cheat", but want to do this the best that I reasonably can.  I'm sure I'll wean off of them at some point.  The water is good?   ???

Jemima--Will you eventually forego peanuts for almonds?  I've made my own nut butter, too--cheaper, for sure.  I had fried eggs and homemade yogurt w/ blueberries and stevia.  Parting w/ dairy completely will be hard, but not impossible, I know.  Soup w/ veggies and quinoa...homemade broth, bacon, too.

Will do CLO, aloe vera, EVCO, my multivitamin, MAYBE the electrolyte drink mentioned, and garlic...for now.   Bea mentioned one other antifungal in addition to the garlic and EVCO...that would be cloves for me, b/c of nursing, but I don't think right now...
I am on the team and cheering for you!!  :) :) :) I am starting the Maker's Diet today. My hope is to eliminate hypoglycemia/ candida issues.  I am not eliminating pork, however, and I don't plan on buying all of the supplements.  I will eventually need some sort of probiotic and probably cod liver oil when my budget allows.   I will praying for the ladies in this thread.
Yeah, snacks are going to be hard.  Frozen blueberries and almond butter (not together)...raw veggies...will have to look at her list.  Blue corn tortilla chips?  I don't miss fruit so much...maybe cranberry juice and stevia in club soda b/w meals?  Flax seed or brown rice crackers w/ PB?  That mint/stevia/cocoa/ice drink Shabby mentioned?  I hope the egg smoothie is like egg nog.   :D

This is great! Well, breakfast went well...  :D  Scrambled eggs and toast w/butter and cinnamon.  Feels strange not to have any fruit w/breakfast!

Snacks are my downfall, I think.  I always keep homemade cookies on hand for hubby's lunch, so it's way too easy to grab one when I'm feeling hungry.  I think I'll start keeping washed, cut-up veggies in the fridge for munching.  Nuts are good... Maybe I can find some sugar-free, natural peanut butter for celery sticks... 

What are you all eating?

Hi, AM25!  EAT!  :D  [Before you binge (well, I would ::)].  LOL.  Have you thought about just dropping fruit/sugar now or are you going drastic?  :o
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: amazonmama2five October 10, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
Hi Jen!  My worst binge time is at night!  If I can get the kids fed and escape to my room I am good, otherwise...... ::) :-[ 
I woke up and felt a little overwhelmed with everything.  I am never hungry in the morning so I decided to start my supplements with lunch.  We sort of skipped lunch at the regular hour and are getting it ready now.  ;) ;D

Okay, my first day's supplements looked like this:

1 tsp chlorophyll in water
2 droppers of wormwood complex in water
2 paratox caps
3 aloe vera caps
1 ultra immune
1 8 Billion acidophilus and bifidus

All taken with 24 oz. of water around 2:00.

I am going to eat an omelet with no cheese  :'( and add some mushrooms, gr. pepper, onion, and tomato fried in butter.

Before my meal I will be taking:

40 drops propolis extract
2 optimal digestive tract
2 bromelain

With my meal I will be taking:

1 supermom
2 omega balance
3 EPO
1 milk thistle
1 cod liver oil
2 liver detoxifier and regenerator
2 yeast assassin
1 alpha lipoic acid
5 chlorella

I take all of these with another 24 oz. of water.

Now I have a ??  Can you girls give me another idea for a drink with some kind of fruit juice and soda water?  I have lemons.  Would that be good?  I have no stevia, because what I can find is only 1% and has some other ingredient.  Is that how it is there?  If so, I would gladly buy some!

Jen, I am overweight and I am not pregnant or nursing.  :'(  So I guess I SHOULD be really drastic!  :o ::)  Even though it is going to be quite a challenge to come up with menus and keep the fats high and not the proteins.  I just need ideas and options..............

Praying everyone has a successful day!
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: brigonia October 10, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
Hello  :),

I want to try this.  I am nursing an almost four week old.  I want to lose weight, stabilize blood sugar, reduce/discontinue dairy, and treat candida if that is the cause of my weight problem.  I'm hoping to be off dairy and nuts by monday.  

Do any of you have a carb max per day?  I'm trying to stay under 40 and maybe lower that goal if I don't lose weight.  I know getting off of dairy will help me lose as it has in the past.  

I am having a hard time today.  My diet is not that much different than it has been during the last week.  I seem to have a hard time burning dietary fat for energy or something.  I am drinking tea with a pat of butter and a tablespoon of coconut oil in it with meals to keep my fat intake high.  Any ideas for how to encourage my body to burn fat instead of begging for protein and carbs?  Or is it just going to take time?  Or maybe I'm not eating enough fat?  I feel fuzzy headed/foggy brain but when I eat something I am better.  

I am going to get some cabbage this weekend and make the rejuvelac.

I am going to focus on getting my fermented foods intake back up before I think about any antifungals.  I am taking a probiotic, clo, epo, and some minerals already.  Also prego tea for my vits and mins.  I should be adding something to my ro water, maybe some sea salt or prego tea.

Briana
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: brigonia October 10, 2008, 09:51:06 AM
I just noticed that cocoa powder and carob are out.  I guess I will be giving those up also starting monday.  I have some low carb chocolate cheesecake and coconut oil chocolate to finish off.   :(  I don't really crave choc. when I am low carb but it is a tasty way to get the coconut oil in.  I might try adding cinnamon and stevia to some coconut oil to make "candy".
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: mommie October 10, 2008, 10:14:30 AM
I thought carob was good to fight candida
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: YoopreMama October 10, 2008, 12:56:27 PM
I thought carob was good to fight candida
I thought so, too...???

Here's a thread on what others are eating:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/health-medical-issues/580050-candida-yeast-what-you-eating.html

...Now I have a ??  Can you girls give me another idea for a drink with some kind of fruit juice and soda water?  I have lemons.  Would that be good?  I have no stevia, because what I can find is only 1% and has some other ingredient.  Is that how it is there?  If so, I would gladly buy some!

Jen, I am overweight and I am not pregnant or nursing.  :'(  So I guess I SHOULD be really drastic!  :o ::)  Even though it is going to be quite a challenge to come up with menus and keep the fats high and not the proteins.  I just need ideas and options..............Praying everyone has a successful day!
AM25--You ARE aggressive!   :o  I was looking for pure cranberry juice w/ soda water...lemons would be good.  I found French Vanilla liquid Stevia from NOW today.  Really like it...maybe that'll go in iced tea?  I don't think our stevia is mixed w/ anything???.  The site we keep referring has a list of beverage recipes, I think...the sour fruits are allowable in some places (lemons, limes, cranberries)...check out the thread I just posted and then Bea's recipes...we'll help get you through this!   :-*

Hello  :),

I want to try this.  I am nursing an almost four week old.  I want to lose weight, stabilize blood sugar, reduce/discontinue dairy, and treat candida if that is the cause of my weight problem.  I'm hoping to be off dairy and nuts by monday.  

Do any of you have a carb max per day?  I'm trying to stay under 40 and maybe lower that goal if I don't lose weight.  I know getting off of dairy will help me lose as it has in the past.  

I am having a hard time today.  My diet is not that much different than it has been during the last week.  I seem to have a hard time burning dietary fat for energy or something.  I am drinking tea with a pat of butter and a tablespoon of coconut oil in it with meals to keep my fat intake high.  Any ideas for how to encourage my body to burn fat instead of begging for protein and carbs?  Or is it just going to take time?  Or maybe I'm not eating enough fat?  I feel fuzzy headed/foggy brain but when I eat something I am better.  

I am going to get some cabbage this weekend and make the rejuvelac.

I am going to focus on getting my fermented foods intake back up before I think about any antifungals.  I am taking a probiotic, clo, epo, and some minerals already.  Also prego tea for my vits and mins.  I should be adding something to my ro water, maybe some sea salt or prego tea.

Briana
Welcome, Briana!  :)  Glad to have you here...You sound really committed.  ;D  I think this will help w/ your issues...I also think the fats will do their work, if you give them time...you will crave your favorites, for sure.  Were you really high on good fats before this?

I don't have a carb max...I'm really trying to just follow the plan and assume my carbs are low.  Anyone else?

Let us know how the rejuvelac goes...you're inspiring!  I like the idea of your "candy", too.   ;)

Here's another recipe thread that's just getting started:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/health-medical-issues/580161-anti-candida-yeast-recipes.html

Picked up blue corn chips--they need salt, but that's OK.  Tried water, lemon juice and salt--that was OK.  Have almonds and almond butter.  Making more soup--kind of a staple, I think and a spinach bacon salad sounds sooo good!  Hoping my taste buds change as everyone promises.   :D

Hang in there!   ;D
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: brigonia October 10, 2008, 01:11:39 PM
The no carob was mentioned on Bee's page of what not to eat.  I don't really like carob so much so that's not a big deal for me.  I will miss the occasional chocolate treat though.

I have been slowly increasing my fats since having my baby.  I was not able to eat much the last two months of pregnancy. 

I have a pot of beef broth going.  After it's finished I'll make a pot of something.  Your bacon spinach salad sounds like a good soup idea.  I will have to give up bacon until we get some more nitrate free stuff.  That's another thing I should be doing -broth with lunch and dinner.  It's so good on a cold day.  I like it sprinkled with salt and pepper and sometimes cream.

The chips sound yummy.  None for me though.  I did see a recipe on b's site for garlic chips.  Think I'll try some.  I'm looking at the spinach bread also.  Might be easy for breakfast.

Briana
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: YoopreMama October 10, 2008, 01:52:46 PM
Briana--
Glad you're checking in!  :)

Well, if carob is a no-no, I'm sure cocoa is.   ::)  Thanks for the tip.  I figured if it was a bean pod thingie, it was a no-no.   :D

I stocked up recently on the Hormel Natural bacon...it was $2.50/package...not organic, but at least nitrite free.   :-\

I just ate almond butter w/ the French Vanilla stevia and some cocoa.  Not fabulous, but something.   ;D

Soup's going to be a staple here, I can tell. 

ETA:  Anyone else finding themselves going to the kitchen repeatedly and coming out empty-handed?   ???  I've made many trips there tonight..for a blue corn chip or a handful of nuts or a few blueberries...sigh...
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: Jemima October 11, 2008, 03:19:40 AM
We have one day down! We can do this!  ;D

You're allowing blueberries, Yooper? I may have to do that too, occasionally. I was wondering if grapefruit would be ok or not -- seems like it wouldn't have much natural sugar.

Well, this morning it's an experiment with the Bee's Egg Drink...   :P Not sure if I'll be able to gulp it down or not.  I looked up a recipe for homemade egg nog, and it's really similar, except egg nog has milk. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to add some milk, at this point in the diet. 

Bought some cabbage for the Rejuvelac, also.  Oh, what do you all think about not starting antifungals till later? I'm thinking taking a clove of garlic daily isn't going to hurt anything from the get-go. 

Snacking wasn't too hard yesterday, since I was really busy...  I munched on some carrot sticks, and had a few corn chips when I got really hungry between meals. Boy, do I miss my fruit!! It's in so much stuff. Just skipping sugar seems like it'd be a breeze, now!
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: YoopreMama October 11, 2008, 04:44:03 AM
We sure can do this (with prayer and support)!  ;D

Yeah...I know blueberries aren't the best  ::), but I justify it w/ the fact that I'm really not eating much of the stuff that I'm going to drop in the next couple of weeks (grains, dairy, potatoes, corn, etc.).  I will wean off of their daily use...  ;)  I wouldn't think grapefruit is bad for now, either as you getting off of sugars...I don't think we should be eating these fruits in a couple of weeks, though...let's keep each other accountable.  ;)

How'd the egg drink go?  Is there coconut milk in it?  I can't recall...I'll make it when I can pick up my local eggs...

Re: antifungals...I think the garlic is great for now...not sure when I'll add the crushed cloves capsules myself...doing the EVCO...waiting on the Pau d'Ardo tea...???

Have to check out that Rejuvelac recipe...
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: brigonia October 11, 2008, 09:05:35 AM
What do you guys think of using GOOT instead of taking raw garlic?  Taking a whole clove does not make my tummy happy.  I'm using the goot right now anyway to avoid a cold I was exposed to. 

I made the garlic chips before lunch.  They were much better than I thought they would be.  If you slice them thin enough and cook them 'till crisp they taste like a garlic flavored potato chip.  I sprinkled them with some sea salt.  Decent.

I also made the fake cream.  I didn't have ice so it is cooling in the fridge.  It was pretty good.  I'm going to make the spinach bread later today.  I might try the egg drink for a snack this afternoon.  I used to drink raw egg smoothies all the time.  I'll have to come up with some new flavors since strawberry and chocolate are out.  I do love egg nog though. 

The only forbiden foods I'm eating right now are dairy, cocoa powder, and nuts.  I'm making a list of snacks and breakfast ideas for monday. 

I don't know if I will use any antifungals besides garlic in cooking.  I did a candida cleanse two years ago and used candida clear.  I didn't notice a difference. 

Sounds like you two (Yooper & Jemima) are doing well! 

Briana
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: YoopreMama October 11, 2008, 12:58:03 PM
Hey, Briana!  I think GOOT is fine...I don't know how to equate it to a clove, per say, but I think it's still going to work.  Extra EVCO, too, can't hurt.  :)  Is the garlic on an empty stomach?  Thanks for being our cooking pioneer!   :D  

Are you saying that you don't think the Candida Clear did anything?

Anyone having any detox symptoms?  How are your babies?  Mine is doing well...not fussy, sleeping even better than usual, and skin is good.  My skin is a bit rough, but it could be from that birthday cake last Sunday...my "farewell" to carbs.    :D

Dinner:  Had spaghetti w/ brown rice noodles...nutritional yeast flakes...mmm...

Any of you following your weight?
What do you guys think of using GOOT instead of taking raw garlic?  Taking a whole clove does not make my tummy happy.  I'm using the goot right now anyway to avoid a cold I was exposed to. 

I made the garlic chips before lunch.  They were much better than I thought they would be.  If you slice them thin enough and cook them 'till crisp they taste like a garlic flavored potato chip.  I sprinkled them with some sea salt.  Decent.

I also made the fake cream.  I didn't have ice so it is cooling in the fridge.  It was pretty good.  I'm going to make the spinach bread later today.  I might try the egg drink for a snack this afternoon.  I used to drink raw egg smoothies all the time.  I'll have to come up with some new flavors since strawberry and chocolate are out.  I do love egg nog though. 

The only forbidden foods I'm eating right now are dairy, cocoa powder, and nuts.  I'm making a list of snacks and breakfast ideas for monday. 

I don't know if I will use any antifungals besides garlic in cooking.  I did a candida cleanse two years ago and used candida clear.  I didn't notice a difference. 

Sounds like you two (Yooper & Jemima) are doing well! 

Briana
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3013.msg34191.html#msg34191

FYI:  Start reading here on the Nursing/Detox (vs. the Nursing while on Anti-Candida diet) page...some good points...
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: brigonia October 12, 2008, 09:16:21 AM
Yooper,
The raw garlic was with meals. 

I'm hungry.  I think it is just because of nursing and not eating enough at the end of my pregnancy.  It is frustrating though.  Hopefully I will be able to find a way to feel satisfied soon.  Any tips? 

I was going to try lowering my protein in proportion to my fat but now I think I shouldn't limit it.  I probably need more for a time to help my body heal.  I've been too focused on losing some weight and need to focus on building a strong, healthy body and baby instead.  I need to put the scale away for at least a week.  I'm frustrated because I gained two pounds even though I have lowered my carbs.  I know getting off of dairy will help though.  I have seasonal allergies and when I don't eat dairy or grains they hardly bug me. 

I don't think the Candida Clear worked for me.  I may not have been strict with my diet long enough though.  I can't remember how I ate.  I think I was trying different things while I was taking it.  I think I used it for about 3 months.

I am not having detox symptoms but I have been mostly grain free and low carb for the last year.  My baby has been sleeping a little less during the day.  He is still getting lots of milk and spits up after most feedings so I know my supply is good. 

Oh, I made the spinach bread today.  I forgot it was in the oven though and it is burnt.  I did taste a little and it's just like an egg and spinach scramble, just with more spinach.  Don't think I'll make another one.  I am loving the fake cream.  I used some stevia when I made it and it reminds me of a custard.  I have eaten it straight and used it in coffee and tea.  It dissolves well and is cream like in hot drinks.  Next time I'll make part of it unsweetened to use in broth.  I just tried the egg drink.  It is good too.  I'm gonna go look for some more recipes to try. 

Hope everyone is doing well today!   :)
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: YoopreMama October 12, 2008, 10:34:06 AM
Did everyone else perish?  :D  Just kidding, I know it's the weekend.  ;)

Had Taco Bell salad for lunch--not the best, but we were meeting an out of town missionary, and I made do.  ;)  Dinner = Parmesan chicken over salad greens/bell peppers, and Parmesan/onion baked potatoes.  Made a great GF pumpkin bread (thanks, R!)...smells good and they love it.

Briana--
I have been hungry, too, at times.  Eating lots of almond butter/almonds (I'll probably keep them indefinitely).  Today's been better--the fat sure helps.  I'm going to keep quinoa and millet, apparently "seed grains" aren't so bad (I"ll quote something from skelliot2 later)--with nursing, those are great grains and I can't give them up for baby.  I think avoiding everything else will be OK.  I think I'm on the long-term plan anyway.  ::)  Grain free and low carbf or the last year--what a GREAT head-start!  I've been mostly GF for the past 17 months...but NOT carb free (I love maple syrup).  ::)

I am going to add aloe vera when it arrives...that was one thing not listed on Bea's site.

I'm only watching the scale to make sure I don't lose too much too fast (an indicator that might not be so good for my boy)...I'm close to pre-PG weight, and below my wedding weight...I think about 12 pounds down would be pretty close to ideal for my height and body type.

If I get bloating, which I read is common, I'll chew fennel.  The Mother's Milk tea, which I try and drink once a day, helps w/ that, too.  My supply seems pretty good.  He's not showing any ill-effects right now.

Anyone making her electrolyte stuff?

I think my French Vanilla stevia will have to go eventually :'(.  The glycerin isn't recommended.  We'll see how much I "need" it.  ;)

I use the overnight soaking method by Sue Gregg for seed grains...to increase the nutritional value.  Would that be a case of "bad" fermenting?

Thanks for your encouragement to us--esp. re: the recipes!  :)
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: Jemima October 12, 2008, 11:29:17 AM
Did everyone else perish?  :D
  Just about! :'(  :D Today there was lunch at church, and they had desserts on every table that looked SO yummy!! But I had to pass... *sigh* Not to mention the jello salads with the dinner. (I love jellos)  This isn't fun. But I keep reminding myself of what I'm trying to acheive - getting the candida under control for myself, and possibly for my daughter, but her benefit regardless.

I'm learning some good things though...  One, that when I do go back to "normal" eating, to pick my sweets wisely, and not just eat junk cause it's there... Two, that it has to be a lot easier to be moderate and self-controlled in your choice of food, than to just cut things out entirely.  I'll be reminded how tough it was and (hopefully) not allow myself to get to the point of needing to do this again. (Although, I think if a person eats their share of sweets and typical American food, it would be a good idea to do a yeast cleanse every so often).

Regarding fats -- what are you others actually taking/eating to make it "extra"? I've been taking CLO... which I don't usually take (1 capsule daily) and trying to incorporate coconut oil, but I'm thinking maybe I should be doing a little more. Plus I always use butter on almost everything...

No detox/die-off symptoms yet for me or baby...  (except mild sugar cravings!)  Still running short on ideas for breakfasts and snacks...  I worry that I'm getting enough food for myself and baby -- I don't really have much weight to lose. I went down to pre-preg. weight and 10 lbs below just from nursing - it does that to me!

I can't imagine giving up dairy, at this point!! I think I've increased my breads and cheese/yogurts since starting...  :-\  I'm gonna have to make some menus, I think.
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: YoopreMama October 12, 2008, 12:59:49 PM
Jemima--Ahh...we had church "snacks", too--but we've been passing those up for awhile, being GF (they're pure carbs).  ::)  And if they were tempting, well, the missionaries were talking about eating guinea pig in Ecuador.   :-X

You're right, it's not fun, but in my case, necessary...after antibiotics at birth, formula, and a Scandinavian diet of potatoes and white bread growing up.  :P.  I don't want to be looking at diabetes or cancer later down the road...the skin issue is enough to drive me crazy, but I want my children to not have to deal w/ this, too.
Did everyone else perish?  :D
Just about! :'(  :D Today there was lunch at church, and they had desserts on every table that looked SO yummy!! But I had to pass... *sigh* Not to mention the jello salads with the dinner. (I love jellos)  This isn't fun. But I keep reminding myself of what I'm trying to achieve - getting the candida under control for myself, and possibly for my daughter, but her benefit regardless.

I'm learning some good things though...  One, that when I do go back to "normal" eating, to pick my sweets wisely, and not just eat junk cause it's there... Two, that it has to be a lot easier to be moderate and self-controlled in your choice of food, than to just cut things out entirely.  I'll be reminded how tough it was and (hopefully) not allow myself to get to the point of needing to do this again. (Although, I think if a person eats their share of sweets and typical American food, it would be a good idea to do a yeast cleanse every so often).

Regarding fats -- what are you others actually taking/eating to make it "extra"? I've been taking CLO... which I don't usually take (1 capsule daily) and trying to incorporate coconut oil, but I'm thinking maybe I should be doing a little more. Plus I always use butter on almost everything...

No detox/die-off symptoms yet for me or baby...  (except mild sugar cravings!)  Still running short on ideas for breakfasts and snacks...  I worry that I'm getting enough food for myself and baby -- I don't really have much weight to lose. I went down to pre-preg. weight and 10 lbs below just from nursing - it does that to me!

I can't imagine giving up dairy, at this point!! I think I've increased my breads and cheese/yogurts since starting...  :-\  I'm gonna have to make some menus, I think.
Re: fats...umm...eggs, bacon, butter, butter, butter, the CO, CLO, almonds/almond butter...still some whole milk...and big quantities.

Yeah, menus needed here, too.   :-\  I'm soaking some ground millet for cream of millet tomorrow, and have some quinoa soaking.  That's good in soup--not sure about any other way, yet, other than a cold salad on the quinoa thread.

How about tuna?  Homemade mayo?

Are we trying about a week on each level?  Like next Friday, we'd drop you-know-what?   :'( :'( :'(  [I am SUCH a baby!]

Yoo hoo...InEverything, AM25...still w/ us?   ;D
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: YoopreMama October 12, 2008, 01:33:24 PM
: skelliott2
...the person I go by is Donna Gates with the body ecology diet.  The reason I like her is:  She focuses heavily on getting good bacteria back in your gut, so the bad yeasts don't come back.  That makes real sense to me.  Also, her diet is used by a lot of autistic children with serious yeast and allergy issues, and it has helped them tremendously.  So, here's what she says in a nutshell:

Allowed:  Meats (unless heavily processed, like bologna or hot dogs), veggies (except white potatoes and corn), Healthy oils: Olive, butter, ghee, coconut, etc. ,  Seed-like grains:  Millet, quinoa, amaranth, and buckwheat,  also nuts and seeds.  The only fruits allowed at the beginning are sour fruits like lemons, limes, cranberries, and an occasional green apple.

No true grains are allowed, including rice.  Now, after the initial cleanse, whole grains are slowly added back, and brown rice can be one of those. 

The exceptions that are allowed are:  Baked blue corn chips (occasionally), and red potatoes (for some reason, they're not as starchy).  The red potatoes and blue corn chips really helped us survive.  I was doing this diet with four reluctant children, so these things were life savers for us.  :D  Also, milk kefir was allowed, since the kefir grains ate the sugars before you actually drink it. 

She also focuses on getting good probiotics through coconut water kefir, cultured veggies, and cultured milks like kefir and homemade sour cream.  You could probably just take a really good probiotic, though, and get the same result.

Oh, another life saver was flavored stevia.  We'd put these into club soda, either by themselves or with a shot of pure cranberry juice.  It really helps with that need for fizzy yummy drinks.

Yooper, you'd be amazed what you can do with these ingredients.  I found a lot of vegetarian cookbooks, raw cookbooks, and low-carb cookbooks with some great ideas:  For example, you can make a type of breading with ground up millet, and fry up breaded zucchini in coconut or olive oil for a fried snack.  You can make fried croquettes with millet, and french fries or chips with the red potatoes.  So, you don't really have to give up calories to do this, it just takes a lot of thought and work.

So, bottom line:  The true yeast diet gurus don't allow brown rice at the beginning.  But, everyone's unique, and eating meat, veggies and brown rice is pretty healthy, and will allow for a lot of healing in your body.  So, I would say, think about it, then do what you need to do in order to get better!  Let us know how it goes, we'll be rooting for you!
The only thing I'd add is that Bea mentions not using even homemade raw milk yogurt or kefir b/c it changes the milk sugar to galactose.  ???
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: brigonia October 12, 2008, 02:35:17 PM
On BED (body ecology diet) you don't have milk kefir 'till after the first phase.  You are also not supposed to eat grains(seeds quinoa, etc) with protein.  When I tried it I didn't eat grains very often because you have to wait a certain amount of time before eating a protein meal.  I was always hungry before then.  So I mostly ate meats and veggies. 

Jemima you could buy unflavored gelatin and make your own jello.  I have done that when I wanted a treat.  I made one with stevia sweetened green tea.  It was nice in the summer.  Can't remember what else I tried.  The fake cream I made turned out a little jelloi-sh.  Kinda jello with a whipped, fluffy texture.  I've been eating it with meals and snacks as an easy way to get extra butter in.

I am trying to eat more raw veggies.  Here's my menu for today.

Breakfast-
I had four pieces of bacon, three eggs scrambled with a T of butter and 1/2 cup of spinach, 1/2 an avocado, a plum tomato, stalk of celery, and green tea with 2T of coconut oil. 

Snack-
2 hard boiled eggs with homemade mayo and a cup of decaf coffee with fake cream, beef broth with 1T butter

Lunch-
ground beef chili, salad, 1 cup cauliflower, 2T homemade kraut, 3/4 cup of fake cream

Snack-
Bee's egg drink.  Oh, I didn't use hot water when I made this, forgot.  I don't want to heat my raw eggs anyway!  I finally felt satisfied after that.  I lasted two hours before eating again.

Snack/pre dinner appetizer-
can of fish steaks in mustard sauce with a stalk of celery, decaf with fake cream

Dinner-
salad with tiny bit fermented beets and oopsie (egg/cream cheese "bread")bread crumbs, 1 cup cauliflower with 1T butter, steak cooked with 2T butter and sauce made by deglazing pan with some beef broth, 2T kraut, Heaping T of fake cream.

Projected evening snacks-
herbal tea with fake cream, leftover steak with mayo and 1t kraut, fake cream, 1T virgin coco oil off the spoon, hopefully that will be enough!

I am 5'9" and overweight so if that seems like a lot of food, that's why.  I felt pretty satisfied today.  I probably should have eaten a larger morning snack though.  I seem to need to eat a lot early in the day and then I feel better at night. 

Briana
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: skelliott2 October 12, 2008, 03:28:49 PM
Yes, Donna Gates does recommend food combining.  that means that you don't eat grains with protein.  But, when I had to think about that as well as everything else, I about went crazy.  So, I just figured as long as the food was right, what difference did it make, except it might be a little harder to digest sometimes.

I was part of a BED e-group for a while (before they started charging $100 to join), and a lot of them didn't follow food combining all the time, either, and they still got the results. 

Maybe milk kefir is phase 2.  I was making that list off the top of my head, so thanks for checking up on me.  She does recommend coconut kefir from the very beginning, though, as well as fermented veggies.  The good bacteria is very important, so I would try to get that somehow...
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: brigonia October 13, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
Skelliott,
It's good to know that BED works even if you are not strict with the food combining.  Did you gain weight eating the grains?  I'm afraid I would. 

I really liked her emphasis on fermented foods.  I think they are very important for health.  And budget friendly compared to purchasing probiotics from the store.

I think Donna says that milk kefir is harder to digest and that's why you shouldn't use it right away.  I can't remember how long you were supossed to wait 'till using it.  I swapped my book so I can't go look it up either. 

Briana
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: skelliott2 October 13, 2008, 09:48:11 AM
No, I didn't gain weight from the grains, but a lot of that was because we didn't LOVE them, so we didn't overeat them.  We used them more for calories and variety than anything.

I didn't lose much weight when we did a cleanse, but that wasn't my goal.  I was not overweight at the time, and I ate plenty of food, so no weight loss.

I think if weight loss were a big goal of this, that you should definitely be careful of carbs.  As always, you have to eat less energy than you burn. Sigh...
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: YoopreMama October 13, 2008, 10:18:19 AM
Hi, Briana!   :D
I chuckled about this, thinking about Jesus feeding fish and bread to the multitudes.  There may be some interesting theories re: food combining, but I guess I haven't been convinced.  I echo skelliot in saying that minding food combining would drive me crazy!  SO I guess, I'd depart from BED there.  ;)

You are VERY resourceful in the kitchen!  That Jell-O idea is clever.  I think that's a goodly amount of food--esp. as you're nursing.  I ate a lot today and love feeling full.

BREAKFAST:  Cream of millet w/ pumpkin pie spice and frozen blueberries, lots of butter.  No milk, which was a big step for me.  ;)

Mother's milk and a chamomile tea in b/w meals (I don't drink much w/ meals; only milk--keeps gas away for me to have my meal undiluted by water).

LUNCH:  Leftover chicken on salad greens, and the oven baked parmesan red potatoes, almond butter off the spoon, & blue corn chips in salsa...MMMMM!

I was so full after lunch--couldn't finish everything!   ;D

My skin is clearing (m/b due to DSS bath), but baby is a bit fussy today.  M/b it was the TB salad...   :-[  Will have to watch...he's teething, too.

Made up lots of hard-boiled eggs for snacking.  Have quinoa soaked and ready to cook for soups/salads/breakfast...

I'm taking my garlic cloves crushed w/ a meat tenderized (flat side) once, and swallowing that chunk w/ a bit of water.  Seems to work well..I guess ideally, they should sit, crushed, for 10 minutes, before taking.

Tuna melts for dinner tonight--I'll eat mine w/o the bread.  I forgot to get some crackers this week.  I may try that egg drink raw w/ milk, since I'm still on it 'til Friday.  Need to keep my fluids high..."things" are a bit slow.   ::)

I have some NT sauerkraut that I should pull out...

I don't expect to gain from the grains...they won't be a huge part of my calories...more for baby and variety, too.

That's all for now!  :)
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: herbalmom October 13, 2008, 02:42:54 PM
OK, so I have been following the threads on Shabby's nursing mama's cleanse & this thread b/c we have been thinking about a similar diet for a while now to help with our family's health issues.

Anyways, as far as the berries & grapefruit, I know that Doug Kaufmann www.knowthecause.com in his anti-fungal diets ALLOW berries & grapefruit b/c they are both low carb and ANTI-FUNGAL. Berries contain Ellagic (sp?) acid which is anti-fungal & grapefruit contains D-limonene which is also an anti-fungal.

He also allows green apples (like Granny Smith) but they may be too high in carbs for the many people IMO & much easier to eat to binge on- just ask my kids about binging on any kind of apples. Also for anyone following no phenol food (Autism diet, etc) apples are a no-no anyways.

So the short version is that berries & grapefruit may not be a problem. As far a gelatin deserts, berry juice makes good gelatin deserts.

Now, can someone PLEASE tell me WHERE the recipe for the fake cream is? I assume that it's dairy free, right? I want to try it but can't find it. TIA BTW- does anyone have a non dairy 'sour cream' recipe? Blessings ~herbalmom   
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: YoopreMama October 13, 2008, 02:53:23 PM
So glad to have you here, HM!  Thanks for the helpful info on the fruit... :-*  Here's the recipe for fake cream...more later...
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe169.php
OK, so I have been following the threads on Shabby's nursing mama's cleanse & this thread b/c we have been thinking about a similar diet for a while now to help with our family's health issues.

Anyways, as far as the berries & grapefruit, I know that Doug Kaufmann www.knowthecause.com in his anti-fungal diets ALLOW berries & grapefruit b/c they are both low carb and ANTI-FUNGAL. Berries contain Ellagic (sp?) acid which is anti-fungal & grapefruit contains D-limonene which is also an anti-fungal.

He also allows green apples (like Granny Smith) but they may be too high in carbs for the many people IMO & much easier to eat to binge on- just ask my kids about binging on any kind of apples. Also for anyone following no phenol food (Autism diet, etc) apples are a no-no anyways.

So the short version is that berries & grapefruit may not be a problem. As far a gelatin deserts, berry juice makes good gelatin deserts.

Now, can someone PLEASE tell me WHERE the recipe for the fake cream is? I assume that it's dairy free, right? I want to try it but can't find it. TIA BTW- does anyone have a non dairy 'sour cream' recipe? Blessings ~herbalmom   
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: skelliott2 October 13, 2008, 03:02:41 PM
You know, berries are allowed eventually with BED but not at the beginning.  She also allows an occasional grapefruit.  I guess it just depends on who you want to listen to, and what works for your body....

Cranberry juice (not cocktail), and pure black currant juice are also allowed.  I still drink a splash of cranberry juice in a glass of club soda with some vanilla flavored stevia--Yum!

Also, I just thought of something else!  Nature's Hollow makes a xylitol sweetened maple syrup, that's not half bad.  Especially when the kids want pancakes, and you have to make them out of buckwheat, and something like syrup would be soooo great!

Also, spry gum is sweetened with xylitol, and tastes pretty good as well!
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: YoopreMama October 13, 2008, 03:11:17 PM
That recipe page is good at Bea's site...lookie here...
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe186.php

Buckwheat Pancakes   :o

Contributed by Member/Moderator, Zack

Makes about 3 moderate-sized pancakes. Recipe can be doubled.

Buckwheat flour needs to be soaked 7 hours, or overnight, prior to cooking.
Ingredients:

    * 1/2 cup buckwheat flour
    * 1/2 tablespoon freshly squeezed lemon juice
    * 1 teaspoon baking powder (non-aluminum from the health store)
    * 1 whole egg, beaten
    * 1/2+ cup water
    * 1 tablespoon of unrefined coconut oil to grease frying pan

Preparation:

   1. Soak buckwheat flour by mixing together only the flour and water in the above recipe.
   2. Add 1/2 tablespoon of lemon juice (1 cup of flour would require 1 tablespoon), mix well, cover with a cloth, and let it sit at room temperature for 7 hours or overnight.
   3. The next morning, or 7 hours later, beat the egg and mix the baking powder into it.
   4. Add the egg and baking powder mixture to the soaked mixture. It may be lumpy and that is okay. A bit of water can be added to thin the batter since it can be fairly thick with just 1/2 cup of water.
   5. Heat frying pan or griddle to at least medium-heat and grease well with the unrefined coconut oil.
   6. When the frying pan is hot enough drop in spoonfuls of the buckwheat batter, cooking them as usual.
   7. Serve with lots of butter.

Didn't see sour cream, at 1st glance, but will check again...

Thanks for continuing to help us here, skelliot!   ;D
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: herbalmom October 13, 2008, 03:45:37 PM
Thanks for the link for the fake cream, Yooper. Any suggestions for a sub for the butter? Is it used melted or softened? If it's melted I suppose ghee or clarified butter would work but we are going GFCF so if I can use something other than butter it would be good. TIA.

I suppose you can binge on berries as much as anything but overall, IMO using some berries wouldn't hurt. Maybe skip them at the beginning if major sweet cravings are a problem but they are probably the best fruit to use if you are using any fruit at all.

BTW- we made a good blackberry slushy a while back by using a 10 oz bag of blackberries purred in the Vita Mix w/water & white stevia. Add ice cubes as it's blending. I'm sure you could make it in a blender also. The Vita Mix holds 64oz so adjust amounts according to your blender size.

DD also later made a good blackberry 'juice' by pureeing half the bag with cold water & stevia w/out the ice. It also made a full Vita Mix container. Without the slushy ice it takes less berries.  

Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Jemima October 13, 2008, 04:31:44 PM
Just getting a chance to sit down here and read through all the latest posts... It's so encouraging to have this thread and support!! Without I might have given up already --  :-\ But keeping each other accountable really works!

Confession: Sunday I had a 2x2 inch square of blueberry cheesecake. We had company over, and I truly didn't even want it, but our guests brought and it felt like it would be too rude to not eat anything. But I got right back on, so hopefully it won't set me back too much. Interesting though - after eating it I got such a "hot flash" - I felt almost feverishly hot for awhile. ??? 

I'm so appreciative of you gals posting your menus and what you're eating. I'm still struggling a little with the creativity and keeping full, but realizing it's more due to lack of planning and forethought than not enough food options.

It's so awesome to hear about the berries and grapefruit, too!! I probably won't be doing daily, but boy, a little fresh flavor will be so nice in the mornings occasionally!

I'm going to brew some Mama's Red Raspberry Tea and refrigerate it - that will be a refreshing variation from water, and probably be beneficial for the milk supply.

One symptom that leads me to think I may have yeast overgrowth - which I'm hoping and curious to see if it will go away - is a mild form of psoriasis.  It's very mild and hardly noticeable, except in winter it gets worse with the cold and dryness.  (if it truly is psoriasis, as diagnosed by a dermatologist and not some fungal issue...) Anyway, it'd be lovely to get that cleared up.

Good night!

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: brigonia October 13, 2008, 06:21:30 PM
Herbal mom,
I use the butter straight from the fridge to make the fake cream.  I think it would work to use clarified or ghee.  I tried a different recipe for fake cream last year.  If I remember right it was made mostly from whipped egg whites.  I didn't like it.  The one on Bee's site is much better.  I love using cream in tea and coffee and this one is pretty close to the real thing for me.  I made another batch this morning.  Two actually.  I made one unsweetened and one sweetened.  I added cinnamon to the sweetened one.  It would be good with some of the flavored stevias also. 

Today's menu:
B-1 cup cauliflower, 1/2 cup of spinach, 2T butter scrambled with three eggs and steak.  I stalk celery, 1/2 avocado, green tea w/ coco oil

S- chocolate made from coconut oil and cocoa powder, 1 hb(hard boiled) egg with mayo

L-salad, chicken stir-fry, kraut, ginger tea w/fake cream, komb, ham

S-Bee's egg drink

D-green beans, mahi-mahi with 1T butter 1Tcoco oil, salad, tea w/fake cream

S-vienna sausages, stalk celery, 1/2 cup fake cream, herbal tea w/fake cream

I had a few things that are not allowed.  I think I will include kombucha on an as needed basis. 

My appetite was much less today.  I took a nap with babe after lunch.  I try to take a nap with my new babies until they are a few months old.  If I am really tired I eat more to make up for it, so resting during the day is good!  I also took a 20 minute walk with some of my younger ones.  We played follow the leader.  Fun exercise!
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: Jemima October 14, 2008, 05:09:02 AM
I just had the best breakfast so far on this diet. It tasted good, and felt like I got enough.

I had: 5 grain cereal soaked overnight - cooked, added salt and butter, finely chopped almonds, a bit of stevia and a sprinkle of blueberries on top.  Small bowl of plain yogurt, and toast from homemade bread spread w/coconut oil.

It was YUMMY!  :)
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: InEverything October 14, 2008, 05:46:45 AM

Confession: Sunday I had a 2x2 inch square of blueberry cheesecake. We had company over, and I truly didn't even want it, but our guests brought and it felt like it would be too rude to not eat anything.


I have 1 X 3 inch confession, white cheesecake on Sunday!  It was my FIL's birthday and I didn't want to be rude.

Otherwise no sugar has been wonderful--- I always feel more human when I don't eat any sugar.  I am really trying to add lots of fat at every meal.  After five plus years of nursing I am left with very little fat in my bre..ts and I am hoping to get some back eventually!  Any thoughts on this ladies?
 :-\ :)
The fake cream sounds interesting...
...does the egg drink taste good?
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: InEverything October 14, 2008, 05:51:49 AM
Blueberries are okay on phase I of the Maker's Diet
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: YoopreMama October 14, 2008, 06:45:22 AM
No problem, HM.  I don't do a butter sub.  I'm not so focused on the gluten/casein thing right now.  I think the recipe has it melted?  Haven't made it...I'm totally w/ you on the fruit in moderation...at least the "good" ones...berries, sour/citrus fruits...glad to know about the slushy trick!

Thanks for the link for the fake cream, Yooper. Any suggestions for a sub for the butter?...

I suppose you can binge on berries as much as anything but overall, IMO using some berries wouldn't hurt. Maybe skip them at the beginning if major sweet cravings are a problem but they are probably the best fruit to use if you are using any fruit at all.

BTW- we made a good blackberry slushy ...DD also later made a good blackberry 'juice' by pureeing half the bag with cold water & stevia w/out the ice.

It does work to have others keeping us accountable and spurring us on!  And it makes our confessions easier...we aren't prone to guilt...we cheat and get over it and press on.  ;)

We had company, too, and I ate something I normally wouldn't on this diet.  When compared to how I used to eat, well, I don't think it will devastate me.  ;)  Interesting about your "hot" flash.  ???  My taste buds seem to be getting more refined.  I'm picking up flavors in foods I hadn't noticed before.  That's a good thing.   ;D

And yes, we have many options to eat, and it does come down to planning. 

The RRL tea is a good idea for beverage variety.  I think it will help out our cause, too.

I hope to hear your skin clears up, too...that's one of my main symptoms.

It's so encouraging to have this thread and support!! Without I might have given up already --  :-\ But keeping each other accountable really works!

Confession: ... Interesting though - after eating it I got such a "hot flash" - I felt almost feverishly hot for awhile. ??? 

... I'm still struggling a little with the creativity and keeping full, but realizing it's more due to lack of planning and forethought than not enough food options.

I'm going to brew some Mama's Red Raspberry Tea and refrigerate it - that will be a refreshing variation from water, and probably be beneficial for the milk supply.

...is a mild form of psoriasis.  It's very mild and hardly noticeable, except in winter it gets worse with the cold and dryness.  (if it truly is psoriasis, as diagnosed by a dermatologist and not some fungal issue...)

I may have to try that cream sometime, Briana!  You make it sounds good!  I'll probably get desperate for it when I cut dairy...actually, I'm thinking I may down to every other day first and then maybe every 2 days...vs. cold turkey (cuz I'm a chicken).  :D

I think your menu looks well-balanced...such a good variety of veggies.  I need to get some fish going here.  Glad to hear you're resting...I do better when I do, too...and exercising!  FABULOUS!  I have to get to the PO today and get my supplements...that's about a 7 minutes walk there...My supplements should finally arrive today--I ran out of CLO and EVCO!  Did I mention I was taking 400 mg of Vitamin C, too?

... I love using cream in tea and coffee and this one is pretty close to the real thing for me.  I made another batch this morning.  Two actually.  I made one unsweetened and one sweetened.  I added cinnamon to the sweetened one.  It would be good with some of the flavored stevias also. 

My appetite was much less today.  I took a nap with babe after lunch. ...  If I am really tired I eat more to make up for it, so resting during the day is good!  I also took a 20 minute walk with some of my younger ones.  ...

Hooray for good breakfasts!!!  :D  I forgot about stevia in my millet.  I'm thinking of those buckwheat pancakes...

I just had the best breakfast so far on this diet. It tasted good, and felt like I got enough. ...It was YUMMY!  :)

Welcome back, IE!   ;D  I think courtesy trumps our diet plan, most times.  ;)  SO wonderful to hear you feel better w/o the sugar!  I do,too--less prone to frustration and fits of impatience.

I've nursed now for almost 6 years, too, but I have no troubles w/ fat there.  ::)  Sorry I can't help you there. 

I made the egg drink w/ raw milk and pumpkin pie spice.  MMMM...I love egg nog, though.  I should have melted the butter though.   >:(  The Vita-Mix didn't blend it well.  Didn't have EVCO either. 

I have 1 X 3 inch confession, white cheesecake on Sunday!  It was my FIL's birthday and I didn't want to be rude.

Otherwise no sugar has been wonderful--- I always feel more human when I don't eat any sugar.  I am really trying to add lots of fat at every meal.  After five plus years of nursing I am left with very little fat in my bre..ts and I am hoping to get some back eventually!  Any thoughts on this ladies?   :-\ :)
The fake cream sounds interesting...does the egg drink taste good?

Hooray for blueberries!!   :D
Blueberries are okay on phase I of the Maker's Diet

Lunch was filling...turkey burgers w/ marina sauce and cheese (like a pizza burger)...hummus and carrots/blue corn chips...the last of the salad w/ chicken, beans and glorious milk. 

Keep up the great job, Ladies!  :-*
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: Dixiemom October 14, 2008, 07:29:51 AM
Hi ladies!

I just wanted to pop in and say that I am planning to join you on Monday.  I have been having a lot of health issues lately and I am hoping that a major diet overhaul will help.  I know that cutting out on empty carbs/sugars is not going to hurt anything, even if that is not the cause of my problems.  So, I am going to give this a try.

I did this once before for about 3 months.  It was not a lot of fun, but I did feel better.  It did not help all of my issues, but I had a lot of energy and on the days that I wasn't sick, I felt better than I had in years.  I also did not have any support group--except for a wonderfully supportive husband and sister. 

I am waiting until after this weekend because I am baking my annual apple pie.  Then, I am going full force.  Until Thanksgiving.  I know that I am going to allow myself a real Thanksgiving dinner.  We'll see what happens after that. . .

You all are doing such a wonderful job!  Thanks for posting your progress.  It is very motivating.
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: amazonmama2five October 14, 2008, 11:23:52 AM
Hi Guys!  I am back.  We are in the start of our rainy season and have lots of storms and power outages so computer time is sporadic at best.  :D ::)

Okay, Fri. I ate the eggs with a lovely "veggie hash" consisting of onion, gr. pepper, tomato, garlic, little not real hot peppers, and some homemade salsa.  It was really good!  I ate well on Fri. night (but can't for the life of me remember what!) and took all my supplements.  We had meat on a stick!  I remembered!  It was good!  I also ate some farina.  Is that legal??

Sat. I didn't get around to eating again until later!  :-[  But did real well remembering all my supplements.  I had the left over meat sticks for lunch with some fried manioc (I am not eating tubers as a rule--my precious daughters were trying to please me so I ate a few pieces) and a spoon of coconut oil for dessert.  For supper I ate a big salad with Cajun chicken and bleu cheese dressing, and I put lots of raw veggies in the salad.  Oh and cooked broccoli.

Sunday lots of water.  We had a breakfast at church and I just visited with everyone!  Whoohoo!  For lunch we had some beef w/gr. peppers and onions in the crock and brown rice w/ broccoli on the side.  It was delicious.  We all agreed that switching to this different kind of rice would not be a hardship. 
Now for supper I BLEW IT!!  The MAN wanted to take us to a friends hotdog stand after church and there is a limited menu--HOTDOGS!  So I ate one and an orange soda.  Got home and took all my supplements anyway!

Monday we went to my In-laws for lunch, but I did well.  Huge salad with Cajun chicken strips and lots of fresh veggies.  Brown rice and cooked broccoli.  Coconut oil mixed with a little peanut butter for dessert.  (Not really eating grains either, but made some for my fil and ate his leftovers)
My 2nd son has been begging to have beef enchiladas forever so I made them Mon. night.  The only thing really illegal were the Lebanese flatbread we use for tortillas.  Mon. morn on the scale I had lost 2 #'s!!

Today we rolled out of the rack early and hit the road for the orthodontist's office.  Four of the seven of us have braces and never eat before going to see him.  Then the kids persuaded Dad to take us out............. ::)  So I asked him to let me go home and get my supplements........ :-*  He stopped by the house for me to run in and take the empty stomach ones and pack up the others to take w/ me.
Now I did eat some really good meat................ but I LOVE THEIR POTATO SALAD!!!  I couldn't pass it up!  I had a TBSP or two of white rice AND dessert!!  Do you all still love me??  I don't know what I am doing for supper.  But over all, I feel good.  I have only had slight twinge headaches for a few minutes and several twinge pains near my liver and then on the other side. 

Pray that I will be able to keep on!  This support group really helps me think twice before putting something down the hatch!
Well, except for at the restaurant today............. ::) :P

Praying for you all,
Lisa
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: herbalmom October 14, 2008, 11:38:27 AM
No problem, HM.  I don't do a butter sub.  I'm not so focused on the gluten/casein thing right now.  I think the recipe has it melted?

Herbal mom,
I use the butter straight from the fridge to make the fake cream.  I think it would work to use clarified or ghee. 

Normally I probably wouldn't worry too much about the little bit of milk in butter but since oldest DS looses weight (which he can't afford to loose) & has mood swings, DD & youngest DS both have mood swings & I end up with both major pain & mood swings from casein we would probably be wise to avoid even that small amount of milk, at least for now. Maybe I will make clarified butter & chill it first before making the cream. Thanks for the help, Yooper & Brigonia. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Jemima October 14, 2008, 11:44:56 AM
Glad to have you with us, Dixiemom! I'm hoping/planning to go until Thanksgiving also.

I need some suggestions. We're going out of town to visit family for a couple days, and I'm wondering how I'm going to manage to stay on this diet and not be too much of a pain in the neck to our "hostess" (SIL).

I know I can pretty much just decline the sweets and fruit -- and I'll probably explain to her what I'm doing -- but what if I get left with not too much to eat?  :'( :D I'm thinking of packing some almonds to maybe fill me up in between meals.

Any other ideas of how to not get too off-track and yet not be a pain? I wonder if I should just make exceptions when I must, and do my best.
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: brigonia October 14, 2008, 12:24:56 PM
Herbalmom,
I don't think you would have to chill the butter first.  You use hot water to dissolve the gelatin first and then add the butter and finish the batch with ice 'till it is gelled.  I don't have ice so I just use cold water to finish it.  It doesn't seem like a fussy recipe.

Jemima,
I have been to visit people in the past while being on a low carb/sugar free diet.  When we drove to my mom's I just packed a cooler with good butter, cheese, komb, and whatever else I wanted.  We offered to cook a dinner and picked up a lamb roast for that.  So maybe you could make one meal to help out.  At the least you could probably go to the store to pick up some meat and whatever else you would need to add to meals.  I think if you just explain to your hostess how important it is for you to stick to your plan it would be o.k.  Most people that we visit are used to me not eating sweets and breads and don't really say anything.  I will also bring along a low carb dessert or side dish for everyone to share at holidays, etc.  Last Thanksgiving was at MIL's and FIL requested a homemade apple pie so I made two of those and a low carb pumpkin chiffon for me.  Worked well.   :)

Briana
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: YoopreMama October 14, 2008, 03:51:23 PM
Whoo hoo, Dixiemom!!!  :D  Welcome...;)

Nice to have you back, AM25...sounds like you're making it work and not giving up over "slight deviations".  ;D  We all have them... ;)  Farina?  Hmmm...me thinks not, but don't quote me on that.   ::)  I love meat on a stick!! [ Unless it's like guinea pig or something.   :-X :-X :-X]   :D  AND 2 POUNDS DOWN--YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!   ;D  Glad the accountability helps you, too.

...I need some suggestions. We're going out of town to visit family for a couple days, and I'm wondering how I'm going to manage to stay on this diet and not be too much of a pain in the neck to our "hostess" (SIL)...Any other ideas of how to not get too off-track and yet not be a pain? I wonder if I should just make exceptions when I must, and do my best.
I suppose it depends a lot on your relationship, of course, and if you know how she generally prepares food.  Sounds like a balancing act...I'd plan to veer off course, as needed, and I'd also pack food to eat so that I wouldn't be tempted to veer more than needed.  ::)  Briana's suggestion w/ making a meal is FABULOUS!

My day went well..had an egg nog smoothie for dinner b/c I was so full from lunch.  Then I went to a dear friend's house...I had lemon water and Mother's Milk tea all evening, and she offers me a snack...I pick leftover chuck roast--delicious!!!!!!!!   8)

Then I come home, HUNGRY, and eat my broken blue corn chips in refried beans, and have the customary almond butter and blueberries, w/ a bit of milk.  I'm going to be whining like a baby come Friday, I know.   ::)

Making a turkey tomorrow...good for soups!

Have a good sleep you all.  See you tomorrow!   :-*

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: amazonmama2five October 14, 2008, 05:32:53 PM
I thought as much about the farina......poop!  I love the meat sticks rolled in it!   ;D ;)  Well, Yooper, it is NOT guinea pig although my MAN has the younger children convinced that it IS cat meat!!!  :-X :o :'(  We have 4 cats!  lol  Tonight for supper I had sauerkraut and kielbasa.  Probably not the best things......... but it made me feel better after my day of blowing it!  ::) :P 
I am going back on STRONG tomorrow!  See you all then!
Have a great night!
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: mommyjen October 14, 2008, 08:28:42 PM
I'm still here! Just taking some time to pull this cleanse together. I haven't started yet but hope to asap. It's such a hard time to do this cuz I have my mom and mom in law coming for a week or so each in November to see our now almost 4 week old but I'm going to go ahead anyhow and figure that out when it comes. Hubby totally on board so that is GREAT!!! Questions??

1. I'd like to do the cabbage rejuvelac for pro-biotics and digestion but am wondering since it's winter will the cabbage available be nutritious enough to "grow"? pro-biotics? Has anyone tried this? Its sounds gross! I wanted to do beet kvass too or perhaps instead but am wondering if this is allowed? I know beets are super high sugar but if they're fermented? Help!

2. I'd like to go cold turkey eliminating the sugar, high carbs, and dairy all at the same time. Is this not a good idea for my baby? I like the idea of adding the supplements slowly though.

3. Supplements I'm doing are garlic and CLO and CO. How much aloevera and what brand should I take? Clove was not recommended for nursing on Beas site so...??

4. No coconut milk? If not, bummer.  :(

5. No caffeine is recommended but I'd really like to do green tea. Any thoughts? Herb teas are fine if not.

Also, I'm going to do a week menu plan that I just repeat because I have to keep this simple. You know like meatloaf on mondays and fish on friday kind of a thing. Same with breakfasts and lunch too. If I get stumped for a meal idea, every one is hungry, and i don't have the right foods in our home I know I'll end up doing what is easy instead of healthy.  I so really want to kick this yeast.  :P My hubby is not a big variety guy and is just happy with a meal ready and waiting when he gets home so that will work for us.

I'm doing no grains but will be doing some berries and grapefruit. Any one else gonna do beef liver while on the cleanse? I'm doing this for the B vitamins and extra nutritional support.  Stevia...YaY!!! I'm also thinking about doing castor oil packs on my liver too.

I'm loving this support thread Jen! I know when I went off sugar for a bit before I felt so level and peaceful like no mood swings and such. I'm also hoping for energy too and to lose some of this baby fat!
 
Love,
Jenny
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: YoopreMama October 15, 2008, 02:19:14 AM
Goood morning!   ;D

Any of you all make and eat hash w/ leftover roast, carrots, butter and onions?  I have a recipe posted here somewhere...I'm looking so forward to it...I may even put a few red potatoes in, since they're not as bad, and I'm still in phase one of no sugar/fruit, moving to drop dairy.  That will be a great breakfast...I LOVE hash!

Hooray--glad to have you here, Jenny!!!!  Your new avatar is precious.   :)  That is wonderful that hubby is on board...

Q and A's for YOU.  ;):
1.  Hmmm...our cabbage at our co-op is probably not local anymore...not sure...haven't made that stuff yet.  But they get cabbage from other places where maybe it is fresher?  I *think* cabbage "keeps" for a long time.  Good question.  Anyone else?  I would do the beet kvass, too, but I think the sugar does rule it out.   :-\  Bea describes the taste of the cabbage stuff...anyone else try it yet?  I know Briana's made it...

2.  As far as sugar/high carbs/dairy cold turkey...hmmm...are they currently a big chunk of your diet that w/drawal would be substantial?  Or have you been weaning off of them for awhile?  Is it raw dairy?  Maybe every other day to start, and making sure you're replacing those calories w/ other nutritious foods?  I think it'd be OK--you would certainly see how it's affecting you 2 pretty quickly, I think.  Supplements slowly--that's me, too.  :)

3.  I'm doing the garlic (going up to 2 cloves), CO (going up to 2 t. today), and I added aloe vera yesterday--one capsule--got it from Vita-cost.  Could you please link what you found on Bea's site about nursing?  I thought OoO was not for nursing, but cloves were OK?  ???  Thanks for mentioning that!  I haven't started those yet.

4.  I will be doing coconut milk after I drop dairy...esp. in the egg smoothies.  She has a recipe for making it out of coconut meat and water.  I'll try and find a ready made sub.  I am making some allowances... ;)

5.  Green tea...hmm...I can't think of a good reasons not to...I'll let you know if I see if banned somewhere and why.  I think someone else mentioned that caffeine isn't the worst thing you could do...and you could decaf it easily enough.

Your regular menu plan is such of a good idea.  We're moving toward a loose one..breakfast one night...meatloaf probably will be regular..spaghetti (over squash), roast and then hash, soup, fish, I hope, chicken...

Re: beef liver... :o  Brave girl.  I ate it as a child... :P  Castor oil packs are a good idea.  I'm glad for stevia, too.  ;D

I'm thoroughly enjoying more energy, less mood variance, and the support!  I'll weigh every Friday, just to see...nice fringe benefit, that weight loss.  ;)

Your dinner doesn't sound bad, AM25...the kielbasa and sauerkraut, that is.  Meat sticks in farina?   :D  Have a STRONG day, indeed!

Off to a fatty breakfast of some kind!  :D

1. I'd like to do the cabbage rejuvelac...but am wondering since it's winter will the cabbage available be nutritious enough to "grow"? ... I wanted to do beet kvass too or perhaps instead but am wondering if this is allowed? I know beets are super high sugar but if they're fermented? Help!

2. I'd like to go cold turkey eliminating the sugar, high carbs, and dairy all at the same time. Is this not a good idea for my baby? I like the idea of adding the supplements slowly though.

3. Supplements I'm doing are garlic and CLO and CO. How much aloe vera and what brand should I take? Clove was not recommended for nursing on Bea's site so...??

4. No coconut milk? If not, bummer.  :(

5. No caffeine is recommended but I'd really like to do green tea. Any thoughts? ...

Also, I'm going to do a week menu plan that I just repeat because I have to keep this simple. You know like meatloaf on mondays and fish on friday kind of a thing. Same with breakfasts and lunch too. If I get stumped for a meal idea, every one is hungry, and i don't have the right foods in our home I know I'll end up doing what is easy instead of healthy... 

I'm doing no grains but will be doing some berries and grapefruit. Any one else gonna do beef liver while on the cleanse? I'm doing this for the B vitamins and extra nutritional support.  Stevia...YaY!!! I'm also thinking about doing castor oil packs on my liver too.
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: Jemima October 15, 2008, 07:57:25 AM
Just checkin' in...

Here's my menu for the day, so far.  If you see a great lack in something, or overdoing it on another, or any other suggestions ;D please tell me.

Breakfast -  I made a scrambled egg skillet w/fried potatoes, sauteed green peppers, sausage, garlic, and a sprinkle of shredded cheese on top. Toast w/EVCO. Water. (oh, I had like two servings of the skillet, cause I made too much for just the two of us!)

Lunch -  Homemade beef stew (potatoes, carrots, onions, beef) and homemade bread with lots of butter. Also a bowl of acorn squash. Dessert? A small handful of frozen blueberries. Mmmm, I don't know if I've ever savored a blueberry more! :D

Hash sounds good - never made it though.

Ya know the next phase coming up? The nasty "no dairy" one that we're all (or almost all) dreading?  I'm wondering if it would be acceptable to just use cultured/fermented dairy products, like yogurt (plain, unsweetened) kefir, and that. Don't know about cottage cheese. ? What do you all think? I think that those are allowed on some candida diets. I think HB said somewhere on WTM that cheese was ok for this. What's your opinion?
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: brigonia October 15, 2008, 08:31:20 AM
O.k. confession time.  I never made the cabbage rejuvelac.  I remembered trying the fermented cabbage drink in NT and didn't want to go there again.  So I just made a batch of sauerkraut and one of cortido.  I've always felt better when I eat lots of fermenties(what we call fermented veggies) so I'll just increase them slowly.  I'm thiniking about making the beet kvass next week.  I'm not sure how carby it would be though.  I really like it and think it is good for my liver and digestion.  I figure if kombucha is only 7 carbs a cup then kvass can't be too bad.  I'll probably just add a little each week and see what happens to my weight.  I think rebuilding my health will lead to weightloss eventually.  I just need to be patient. 

Jemima, I am reading Atkins' book right now.  For candida he says you can have cream cheese and mozzarella.  I've read many different candida diets and they all have different things to say on cheese it seems like.  Maybe you should experiment and see what works for you. 

I tried to eat less yesterday and the day before.  I felt fuzzy headed most of the afternoon and evening and woke up really hungry when it was time to feed the babe in the middle of the night.  I think I'm going to worry more about quality than quanity.  I don't function well when I'm hungry and feeling "off".  I'm irritable and end up taking it out on whoever is around.  So my goal for today is to make sure I am eating enough and to not worry about how much that is.  I was really wanting to lose weight because my parents are visiting for Thanksgiving and my mom is always worried about my weight and how much I eat.  She has been on weight watchers for years so really has the diet mentality.  Gotta stop worrying about what other think and do what is right. 

I hope everyone is having a great day.  Eat and be happy!   ;D 
Briana
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: mommyjen October 15, 2008, 10:31:53 AM
Here are those clove oil cautions...
Cautions:
Clove oil is not recommended for pregnant or nursing mothers.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/anti1.php

Caution! Clove Oil is not recommended during pregnancy nor while breastfeeding.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/supp1.php

Caffenated drinks are a no no here under drinks and beverages..I wonder why ???
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods50.php

Okay so ya all talked me out of the rejuvlac :P I thinking no on the beet kvass too. Bummer because I know it will be good for in many ways BUT I really want to get this yeast in check. I'd rather it be tough for a little while than extending this months and months. Not that I want to go back to sugar and carbs escpecially refined but It will be nice to add whole grains and the no no vegetables and dairy back. When i'm done I'd like to aim for my diet to comprise of 1/3 grains, 1/3 vegetables, and 1/3 animals products or so like here...
http://fourfoldhealing.com/category/diet-nutrition/

My big problem is eating too much carbs (some refinded defenitley less than 50%) (beans, nuts and seed are included as carbs) and not enough veggies and too much sugar. We usually get enough animal products in our diet give or take. Were not huge fruit eaters but eat too many bannans I'm thinking.

I'm planning on taking a calcium supplement too because of the no dairy thing.

Jen, are you adding a tsp. of coconut oil and clove of garlic per week?
I hear ya about making some allowances although I'm a pretty stoic bite the bullet kind of a gal. ;D I wonder why no coconut milk...to high in carbs?

I'm thinking I better go slow and more gradual with cutting things out to be safe for my baby. Is it one thing per week...like week one cut out sugars, week two cut out carbs, week three cut out dairy?

Lastly, Is there a amount of fat and protein that I should be aiming for or just make sure I'm eating lots of fat? Is there a link on Bea's site that addresses this in particular?

Thanks ladies...Your all doing so great with this and are so inspiriing :-*





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: YoopreMama October 15, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
EWW!  I was eating some popcorn (Real salt, EVCO and nutritional yeast flakes, BTW) and noticed a small spider in my handful..:o  :-X  How's THAT for killing your appetite?  :D

Jemima--That looks like a good ol' Northern menu to me!  :D Except the missing rutabaga in the stew.  ;)  As far as the dairy...I'm not going to have it, even cultured/fermented...the way I love it makes me wonder if it's a problem.  I've never gone w/o it so here's my, um, "chance".  ::)  I know some say it's OK...in some forms.  We all have our little variations.  :)  I thought Bea addressed this, from her perspective.  I guess it depends on your goals.  I am not sure what I think of the whole LGS, but if it is "real", I probably have it, and that's enough reason for me avoid dairy for now.  Perhaps a daily carb total would be helpful...???  I think there's a thread on it.  A choose-your-carbs kind of strategy?

Briana--I made a cabbage juice, too.  It was OK...I know the kvass is so good for you--just wondering about the sugars.  I thought Bea had a page that maybe listed it. ??? Will go check (yep, a no-no): 

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe197.php

I hope you find a good balance for you for quantity.  I eat until I'm full, and don't worry too much about overdoing it right now while nursing.  That's just me, though.  :)  There's only so much to overdo it on these days.  :D  Sounds like you're getting a new perspective on your mom's opinion of your weight--good for you!  8)

Oh, Jenny--I thought the oil was off-limits, but not the cloves themselves...Hmmm....

Caffeine...why is that bad...hmmm...

The 1/3 plan sounds interesting...will have to look at that link.

Calcium supplement...hmm...almonds, millet, greens--I should see if I'm keeping up...does ACV count?  and bone broths?  Good check.

I'm going up about every 4-5 days, as long as there isn't major detox.  Today I went up, yep.  :)  2 t/2 cloves.

Are you perhaps, Scandinavian, Jenny?  ;D  The "stoic/bite the bullet" thing makes me wonder...sounds like our local Finns.  :D  Did you see she makes coconut milk?  Or is that not for the diet?  I see it's on the no-nos...http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods7.php

I'm loosely on a weekly schedule of dropping things...as long as there isn't any bad reaction requiring me to slow down more.  This has been a pretty uneventful week.  I expect to see some more detox w/o the dairy next week (starting Friday).

Yes, Bea addresses a % balance w/ fat and protein...I'll try and find it...it's on this page:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

FYI:  Her search engine works well for her site...I just typed in "caffeine" and found her articles on it.  Here's one: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn5.php
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: brigonia October 15, 2008, 12:23:32 PM
She did say that you should check out the optimal diet for fat reccs.  http://homodiet.netfirms.com/  I actually tried the plan on this website a few years ago.  It was too much fat too quick compared to how I had been eating and I got sick and stopped.  I am eating a lot of fat now though.  I figured out my ratios and I was able to eat that much fat.  I am too lazy to keep track of the fat and protein right now.  I am eating below 40 carbs a day but my protein level is higher than recommended.  

I have a problem with eating too many carbs when I am not tracking them.  I read the metabolic typing diet a few years ago and figured out I was a protein type.  So I try to concentrate on getting protein and lots of fat in my diet.  It's strange because I don't really like meat that much but I do feel better after eating a steak compared to other foods.  A breakfast of oatmeal and fruit doesn't satisfy me for very long.   :'(  Even if I add lots of cream and butter!

I don't know if you've seen this but I found it interesting and helpful.  http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/boarddiets.html  It is a food journal of the weston a price board of directors.

I did try eating as Dr. Cowan reccomends but I started gaining weight.  I think it was too many carbs for me or maybe I wasn't eating enough fat.  I think I might be able to eat that way after I lose my extra weight and am exercising a lot more.  I am able to gain on a pretty low carb diet.  

I take a liquid calcium/magnesium supplement.  I like to take it before bed.  It is relaxing.

Briana
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: brigonia October 15, 2008, 12:41:18 PM
Yooper,
I'm a dairy lover also.  Especially cheese and cream.  The first time I stopped eating it was VERY hard.  When I give it up my allergies almost go away and my back doesn't hurt.  Whenever I want to give in and have some cheese I remind myself of those things.  I think cheese is harder for me to give up than sugar or chocolate.  I did notice during my last pregnancy that I could eat goat cheese without my usual "cheese symptoms".  It is not in the budget now though.  Also, because it costs more I was careful to only eat a little a day.  Have you tried Bee's fake milk recipe.  Maybe you could make up a batch before you go off milk to see if that would be a good sub during transition.  That is what I do when I want something sugary or carby.  I find a low carb treat that sounds good instead.  Or grab a piece of cheese.   :-[

I wonder if regular rejuvelac would be o.k.  I've made it before and it is much easier to take than the cabbage drink.  I guess not since we are not eating grains.  Hmm, what else would be really good for the probiotics?  You could drink the juice from sauerkraut.  Mine never has a lot of juice though.  Whey from homemade yogurt or kefir is out.  I'll have to get my NT cookbook out and look for some ideas.  My fermented carrots only turn out 1/2 the time so I don't make those anymore.  The onions are too strong for me.  I have never tried the garlic.  Has anyone else?  Dh just bought me a huge bag of garlic so I could try it.  I wonder how much less effective kraut is than the rejuvelac.  I might just have to make it and find a way to drink it.   :o

Briana
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: amazonmama2five October 15, 2008, 01:42:47 PM
I had the ol' Cajun chicken strips w/salad for lunch today.
I really am not that hungry which is a big plus!  For supper I am having some stir-fry.  Left over beef, duck eggs, broccoli, garlic, onion and natural soy sauce.  I will also have some brown cateto rice.

Are you all not eating CO??  I have some organic virgin that I ordered from NOW and it is awesome!!  I wish I had more on the way as this little pot I have won't last very long.

I have quite a list of supplements, but I am running out of some of them like EPO.  :'(  I am still taking the Omega Balance, CLO, and CO though.  Do you think that is enough fats?  I am eating a lot of salad (leaf lettuce--2 kinds, Chinese cabbage, regular cabbage, tomatoes and gr. peppers.  I am omitting dairy BUT I do put bleu cheese or ranch on my salad every day.  These are both homemade, not a store bought item.  I say no dairy, but I am eating eggs.  Maybe once a day.  I didn't have any yesterday, but I was a bad girl!  So today has been good and I will eat some duck eggs ---- courtesy of our lovely duck, Belinda!  ;) 

I have also been a lot more regular these last few days...... :-[ :P  This and the weight loss are making me a happy camper.

Praying for everyone!
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: YoopreMama October 15, 2008, 01:58:05 PM
Briana,
The only time I ever gave up dairy was on the Master Cleanse, almost 2 years ago...for about 3 weeks.  I did feel great....skin was still bad though (probably the daily maple syrup)...I shouldn't whine so much, I know I'll be OK...probably better than OK.  :D  Thanks for the links!  I'll look into her fake milk...

I bought some heavy duty probiotics, but will probably make the rejuvelac.  My sauerkraut was made w/ whey...::)  Hmmm....

My taste buds continue to seem sharper.

DH brought home Snickers Ice Cream.  :(  

Hi, AM25!  I am eating about 2 t./day for now.  Adding a t. every 4-5 days.  You sound like you're getting a goof amount of fats w/ your supplements.  Are you getting butter or olive oil, too?

So glad you're seeing some benefits already!
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: amazonmama2five October 15, 2008, 02:09:12 PM
Friday I had EVOO and butter.  Today I will have it in the stir-fry.  The other days, no, I didn't have very much if any as I ate mostly salad.  Except for the visit to the restaurant.  :-[
I really feel great and was expecting detox symptoms.  Maybe some will manifest later, I'll just have to keep plugging along and see..............
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: mommie October 16, 2008, 04:10:39 AM
has anyone whose nursing noticed more clogged ducts due to the large intake of coconut oil? I've been doing my own cleanse and have been doing about 2T of coconut oil and my ducts are plugging up like crazy...I am prone to breast infections though (none has turned to an infection thank God..the 3 fresh cloves of garlic I'm eating probably is helping as well. :)) so I didn't know if it was the coconut oil or just something else. Its not mastitis, just a clog, the skin grows over the opening and backs up until I pop it with a needle. 
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: ManyWeavers October 16, 2008, 04:45:18 AM
 That's interesting, Chrissyjoy, because i've had more clogged ducts than ever before and i eat a lot of coconut oil.  Mine didn't start til i quit drinking mother's miik tea so i figured that had something to do with it. You would think co would help, not cause it.
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: mommie October 16, 2008, 06:59:21 AM
they say the saturated fat is bad for clogged ducts, but I know co is a different kind of sat fat...interesting...the MMT has lecithin in one of the herbs that probably helped!
ok...so thers two of us now...so nursing ladies maybe you should start lecithin too if you are using co to rid yeadt
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: mommyjen October 16, 2008, 09:53:09 AM
Hey chrissyjoy! Thanks for the heads up. Are you doing a yeast cleanse? I'd like to hear about if so! Sorry about the plugged ducts. :(

Thanks,
Jenny
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: herbalmom October 16, 2008, 10:07:20 AM
has anyone whose nursing noticed more clogged ducts due to the large intake of coconut oil? I've been doing my own cleanse and have been doing about 2T of coconut oil and my ducts are plugging up like crazy...I am prone to breast infections though (none has turned to an infection thank God..the 3 fresh cloves of garlic I'm eating probably is helping as well. :)) so I didn't know if it was the coconut oil or just something else. Its not mastitis, just a clog, the skin grows over the opening and backs up until I pop it with a needle. 

Sounds like something similar to breaking out with acne while doing a cleanse. Probably has more to do with the cleansing than the coconut oil, IMO. Just my .02 on it though.
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: pljammie October 16, 2008, 03:28:15 PM
Can I join the cleanse?  I did a yeast cleanse before and did not stick with it.  The die off was really not too bad, but I made the mistake of not getting all of the sugar out of the house.  I printed off some of the articles from Bea's and will read them tonight.   

Jammie
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: YoopreMama October 16, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
"The more the merrier", right?  :D

Or is it "Misery loves company"?  ;D

Welcome aboard, Jammie!   ;)

Tomorrow begins week 2; I'm dropping dairy.

 :'(  :'(  :'(

Haven't experienced clogged ducts (yet)...interesting...thanks for the info!  :)

1st week summary:

Baby's been a bit fussier at times (teething?), but also extremely happier...he's been passing more gas, but otherwise seems fine.

I'm really not suffering any ill effects (yet).  I upped my Vitamin C (was 500 mg), to be closer to her recommended 4000 mg.   :o  I think I've lost a couple of pounds--we'll see in the AM.  Energy and clarity of mind are pretty good.  Skin is improving, I think.

Looking forward to hearing from you all tomorrow.  Good night!  :-*

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: pljammie October 16, 2008, 04:42:31 PM
Thanks...off to read about it...maybe I can start this weekend.

Jammie
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: YoopreMama October 17, 2008, 05:57:35 AM
Role call!  ;D

Jemima?
Briana?   ;D
AM25?
4myhoonie?
Jenny?
Herbalmom?
Jammie?
InEverything?  ;D
Lurkers?

:D

Well, this begins week 2 for me/many of us...I'm dropping dairy effective today...I may weaken, and go every other day/once in awhile, but will try not to. 

It's not been bad at all, thus far.  I did lose 2-3 pounds.  :)

Had One Night in Bangkok for lunch (MIL creation).  Our variation has wild rice, a few GF bread crumbs, turkey, gravy and corn in a 9 x 13 heated up. 

Mmmm...also picked up my favorite Rice Chips--Sesame and Seaweed.  I know I won't be able to enjoy them much longer.  I ate the serving size (a whole 10 chips), and will ration them out this weekend.  Turkey Jerky was a good snack yesterday.

Cooking a roast tonight...so I can have HASH for breakfast!  ;D  Making LOTS of bone broth from the turkey (most of it's frozen)...had a quinoa/turkey/vegetable soup yesterday.

Have a PG Mama pampering tonight...lots of goodies I'll have to pass on, but will have chips, carrots and hummus.  ;D

Hope you are all well!





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: InEverything October 17, 2008, 07:39:00 AM
Role call!  ;D

Jemima?
Briana?
AM25?
4myhoonie?
Jenny?
Herbalmom?
Jammie?
InEverything?
Lurkers?



Hello, I am here.  I am sort of a lurker since I am not nursing and am doing the Maker's Diet.  I am still loving the "no sugar" way of eating...my moods are more even.  My skin is clear and I don't have itchy feet at night (yeast symptom?)
I am taking a garlic clove a day (one benefit is that I am more regular!)  I am eating more fat and also taking acerola powder for more Vitamin C.  I felt a cold coming on earlier in the week and then it went away! If I would have been eating sugar I would have been a goner.  I am still cheering for all of the ladies.
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: brigonia October 17, 2008, 09:06:31 AM
I'm still here.  Getting a little frustrated with eating enough.  I'm really trying to keep my fat level high but it seems like my body doesn't want to run on fat over carbs and protein.  I'm doing some reading to see how long it should take for my body to burn fat as a main source of energy. 

I ate a piece of cheese on my burger at lunch.   :o  I was doing so well too. 

Briana
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: YoopreMama October 17, 2008, 09:19:59 AM
IE--Post away  ;D  Not everyone's nursing or on this specific diet..there are enough things in common that we're not gonna' kick you out.   ;)  What good benefits you are seeing already!

Briana--One piece of cheese...that's all right!  Let us know what you find out...I'm hoping you can get satisfied and have enough energy...

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: pljammie October 17, 2008, 12:18:34 PM
So some people are on the maker's diet?  And others are on the one on the Bee's website...are there others on a different diet?   I'm trying to decide where to start.  I have food allergies, a ring worm that is huge, lots of eczema, tend to be tired, foggy thinking, and now arthritic type of pain in my left hand...I'm hoping that it is all connected to a candida overgrowth.  However, I'm not starting tonight because we are having Chocolate Delight for dessert. yum...

Jammie
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: HappyWifey October 17, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
I am also going to start, I have had athletes foot for nearly 3 years and I have foggy thinking plus quite a few other symptoms. I took the test recommended on the link on the first page of this thread and I had a score of 188 which was only 33% but I think I have a higher amount of candida. I also have been married for 2 years eat healthy and have been unable to lose weight or get pregant.
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: Rikki October 17, 2008, 01:29:50 PM
You'd think I worked for Dr. Schulze or sold his products by the way I always recommend them but I don't ! I just had to say that I had always struggled with Candida as well, and done many diets, etc and after doing his 5 day bowel cleanse my Candida was GONE. It was really so easy, I just wish I'd known about it years ago! I have tried Clarkia and some other Candida cleanses from the local health food store, as well as eliminating sugar, but NOTHING even compared to the cleanse I did. His products are so potent and the cleanse rids you of chemicals, toxins, heavy metals, kills parasites, and kills candida. So it does it all!
    Just thought I'd share that here - you gals all work so hard that if you added this to your diet you would no doubt get the results you wanted!
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: Whiterock October 17, 2008, 01:50:34 PM
You may want to go thru the stages in the introductory diet at the GAPS webite.

http://gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.html

WR
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: pljammie October 18, 2008, 04:00:04 AM
Hi All,

I've been reading the Bee's Candida site and have a few questions.  I'll probably spend this week getting supplies and emptying my pantry of no-nos.  DH has decided to diet with me. That will make it so much easier.  Ok, I'm curious about the flavors of:
electrolyte drink
egg drink
Pau d'arco tea

How long are you all taking to get sugars out of your diet?  Are you spending a week on step one or a few days?

I was also confused if squash is a no-no...I thought summer squash was low carb, but maybe it feeds yeast???

Jammie
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: YoopreMama October 18, 2008, 05:08:18 AM
The initial post for the thread welcomes all--most are on some anti-yeast diet (like Bea's) or the MD.  ;)  We all just want to get rid of yeast, I think.   :D  Those are about the main two plans, although everyone has a slight variation.  We're sharing meal plans, answering each others' questions, and providing accountability and support. 

So...welcome, ALaskaHerb Girl!  Sounds like this could help you...   :)

Thanks for the support and info, Rikki and WR!   :-*  WR, may we PM you re: your recent cleanse and detox?   ;D

... OK, I'm curious about the flavors of:

electrolyte drink
egg drink
Pau d'arco tea

How long are you all taking to get sugars out of your diet?  Are you spending a week on step one or a few days?

I was also confused if squash is a no-no...I thought summer squash was low carb, but maybe it feeds yeast???

Jammie--Glad you can join us, and have support from your husband.  :)  How was your Chocolate Delight?  ;D

I haven't make the electrolyte drink.  I'm drinking lemon in water and upping salt on food.  Not sure if it's critical to get the salt w/ the lemon and water...I think the combo is good for you...anyone else?  Briana's the real taste-tester.  ;)

I thought Pau d'Arco was root beerish.  Haven't had it in awhile.  I think HB had a good brew once...maybe w/ mint?  ???

I've made the egg drink raw w/ milk--yum.  Made it w/ coconut milk and water.   :P  Not looking forward to it, but... :-\  Maybe I shouldn't have added water.

We took a week to go off of sugars and fruit, but I had started weaning off of them before that.  Yesterday started "Week 2", w/ dropping dairy.  Every 4-5 days I go up on EVCO and garlic cloves.  On 2t/cloves day now, but going up to 3 tomorrow, I think.

From the no-nos list: 
12.   All squash, except zucchini, spaghetti and Summer squash.
So those are the ones to eat.   :)

Had roast beef for breakfast.  :)  Making the buckwheat pancakes tonight.  Hope your trip's going well, Jemima.  :o
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: mommyjen October 18, 2008, 05:23:10 AM
Hi Jammie! I'm trying the egg drink this am so will let you know what the fam and I think. Haven't tried the other two yet.

Wanted to let you all know that avacoadoes have been added to Bee's list of foods that are allowed!!!

I've been lurking on Bee's yahoo group and have found some great info. Two cups of her bone broth recipe provide enough cal/mag to replace the supplements she suggests. Also "to replace Vitamin B complex, take 1 tbl. of NutritionalYeast "Flakes" in water twice a day (ensure it is the Flakes), or eat 6 ounces of lightly cooked red meat liver 2 times a week, but you'll need 50 mg Niacin (B3) also." Also, this post really helped me figure out how long I should be doing this for.   

> Hi Bee and Marissa! I finally got a chance to get back on the group
> site and I just wanted to say thanks so much for your help and
> answering all of my questions.
> If you don't mind, I have a few more regarding the thyroid. I've
> read in the files that it take 3-6 months to eliminate candida and I
> was wondering, when it's finally all gone, can I expect for my
> Hashi's to go away or is that something that requires being on the
> diet long term? If long term, does it have to be the complete
> stripped down version or can I add back in the high carb vegetables
> and brown rice?

+++Hi Linda. I've never written that it takes 3-6 months to
eliminate candida. First, candida cannot be eliminated,
i.e. "killing it off" or "trying to get rid of it." It doesn't work
that way. Candida is only cured by building up the immune system so
it becomes strong enough to "make" candida "change back" into the
friendly organism it is supposed to be. That requires proper
nutrients (diet plus supplements), eliminating foods and toxins that
feed candida, and eliminating toxins in general.

+++I also write that it takes 1 month of natural healing for every
year you've been unhealthy, which for most people nowadays is since
before they were born.

+++Natural healing starts once you are completely on the diet and
taking all of the supplements, including no high carb foods, grains
like rice, etc. When you have added the last step of my program,
which is probiotics, and you do not have severe die-off symptoms and
no symptoms you had when candida was raging for at least 2 months,
you may start adding foods
one at a time.

> Also, is curing my Hashi's something I can even hope for considering
> my thyroid has been so damaged. I read that some people have
> been able to stop the attacks on their thyroid however had to remain
> on the meds because their thyroid was completely destroyed in the
> mean time.

+++If you have any of your thyroid left it is capable of regenerating
when proper nutrients are able to get into the cells. It would be
extremely unlikely the thyroid would be destroyed, unless they person
had excessive radiation or radioactive iodine treatments.

> Are there others in the group that had Hashimoto's and cured it and
> no longer had to take meds?

+++Many people have had their thyroid normalize - search thyroid in
the Success Stories:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

+++There may be many others that I haven't kept track of all of them,
nor posted their successes. Searching our Message Archives might get
some.

+++The only way to cure anything is to follow Nature's Laws regarding
health, which means obtaining "proper nutrients" so the body can heal
itself naturally. As you can see from the Success Stories miracles
have happened to many people on this program, even beyond my
expectations.

+++According to Dr. Weston A. Price proper nutrients change
DNA/genes, which he proved and wrote about in his book Nutrition and
Physical Degeneration:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/resource/amazon.php

Bee

I suggest reading the testimonials on Bee's site. They are amazing!

Yooper I read somewhere from Bee that you need to be taking at least 1 tsp. of sea salt a day to provide the neccessary nutrients for healing.

Gotta Go!
Jenny
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: mommyjen October 18, 2008, 06:03:02 AM
Okay, I made the egg drink and it was fine. Smell weird though. I didn't have nutmeg and could have added a bit more stevia but otherwise followed the recipe as is. I added two pinches of ground whole leaf (green). My five year old said it tastes like gravy.  :D



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: mommyjen October 18, 2008, 06:14:23 AM
p.s. I bet this drink would be good with bone broth instead of water and maybe drop the spices and stevia as a variation? I'll have to give that a try.
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: Whiterock October 18, 2008, 09:09:43 AM
WR, may we PM you re: your recent cleanse and detox?   ;D

Recent? I'm still on it (and so discouraged).  :'(

But if anyone wants to know what it's like to have a bad detox reaction, ask away.  :D

Pau d'Arco tea (homemade by just boiling the bark) tastes like water that was filtered thru garden soil. Ok, I know that sounds nasty but it really isn't. Honest! It just has an "earthy" flavor and otherwise tastes like water. I guess you could sweeten it, although I never have. I never felt it needed it, it was like drinking water so I figured it would taste like stevia water  :P. But I have added the already made tea to other, tastier teas (that were then sweetened) and it didn't seem to change the taste of the tasty tea. So if you're iffy about it just add it to a tea you like.

Oh, and the only warnings that i have seen about Pau d'Arco when nursing or pregnant were because of detox or die-off symtoms. If you take it slow, and do other things to help with any die-off, then I believe it is as safe to use as garlic.

WR
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: brigonia October 18, 2008, 03:43:45 PM
Hey everyone,
I'm adding back dairy.  So I guess I'm out.  I think I need to focus on eating enough before I try this.  It has been really hard this last week to focus on anything besides food.  I'm still going to stay off of grains and sugar.  That is more of a lifestyle choice that I made a few years ago though.  I hope the rest of you do well and see your symptoms resolve soon!  Briana
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: YoopreMama October 18, 2008, 04:20:21 PM
That's totally understandable, Briana...of course you have to do what's best for you and your family.   :-*

Keep us posted...staying away from sugars and grains is no small thing, and we'd like to encourage you.  :)

Jenny--Thanks for all of the helpful info!   :-*  Going to check out her Yahoo! group...

I think I get my salt and nutritional yeast flake supply on popcorn...for now.   ;)  Good to know WHY we have it.  I've been making bone broths like crazy and eating seed grains w/ lots of calcium. 

I will check out the testimonials...it's also good to have a gauge to know how long to be on this, once we're at the maintenance level.  I wonder how much I've helped things along w/ TA in the past, being GF, and doing a Master Cleanse?  Plus a few years of Herbal Fiberblend should have cleaned me out some.   :D  Otherwise, I'm looking at 3+ YEARS of this!   :o :o :o
..Wanted to let you all know that avocados have been added to Bee's list of foods that are allowed!!!

I've been lurking on Bee's yahoo group and have found some great info. Two cups of her bone broth recipe provide enough cal/mag to replace the supplements she suggests. Also "to replace Vitamin B complex, take 1 tbl. of Nutritional Yeast "Flakes" in water twice a day (ensure it is the Flakes), or eat 6 ounces of lightly cooked red meat liver 2 times a week, but you'll need 50 mg Niacin (B3) also." Also, this post really helped me figure out how long I should be doing this for.   

...Hi Linda. I've never written that it takes 3-6 months to
eliminate candida. First, candida cannot be eliminated,
i.e. "killing it off" or "trying to get rid of it." It doesn't work
that way. Candida is only cured by building up the immune system so
it becomes strong enough to "make" candida "change back" into the
friendly organism it is supposed to be. That requires proper
nutrients (diet plus supplements), eliminating foods and toxins that
feed candida, and eliminating toxins in general.

I also write that it takes 1 month of natural healing for every
year you've been unhealthy, which for most people nowadays is since
before they were born.

Natural healing starts once you are completely on the diet and
taking all of the supplements, including no high carb foods, grains
like rice, etc. When you have added the last step of my program,
which is probiotics, and you do not have severe die-off symptoms and
no symptoms you had when candida was raging for at least 2 months,
you may start adding foods one at a time.

I suggest reading the testimonials on Bee's site. They are amazing!

Yooper, I read somewhere from Bee that you need to be taking at least 1 tsp. of sea salt a day to provide the necessary nutrients for healing.

Okay, I made the egg drink and it was fine. Smell weird though. I didn't have nutmeg and could have added a bit more stevia but otherwise followed the recipe as is. I added two pinches of ground whole leaf (green). My five year old said it tastes like gravy.  :D
:D :D :D
I like gravy.   ;D

p.s. I bet this drink would be good with bone broth instead of water and maybe drop the spices and stevia as a variation? I'll have to give that a try.
You have a wonderful imagination!  :D

WR--I got caught up on your blog...I'm sorry for your long, arduous process.  :-*  I hope we can encourage you here.  :)  Thanks for the info on Pau d'Arco.

Day 2 w/o dairy...little grumpier...slight headache...and eating more grains (1st piece of bread in over a week or 2...some rice chips).  The pancakes were bland, even w/ blueberries, cinnamon and stevia.  Maybe unadulterated, they'd be a good "bread" for sandwiches  [what was I expecting?].  ::)

Good night, all!
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: Dixiemom October 20, 2008, 03:40:36 AM
Well, I've started today.

I am trying to cut out all sugar/refined flour this week.  I am also cutting out sweet fruits.  I may cave and eat a sour apple or grapefruit, but I am going to try to stay away from fruits all together.

I am trying to limit dairy this week and am going to cut it out all together next week.

This morning, I have had a cup of coffee with a small splash of milk and a handful of almonds.  I am thinking about creating a fabulous salad with buffalo chicken, chopped red onion, and green pepper.  I may even throw on some hard boiled egg.

I am trying to focus on the good things that I CAN eat instead of obsessing about what I am giving up.  I hope that works. . . .

I also hope that my headaches start to get better.  I have had them every day for about two weeks.  Not fun.  I know that when I did this in the past, I had a very rough first week, but then started to feel better.  I hope that I don't have major die-off symptoms this time, because I am trying to do this more gradually. 

Have a great day everyone!!!
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: YoopreMama October 20, 2008, 07:41:51 AM
Hi, Dixie!   :)  I hope this week goes well for you.  I feel better not sending it on to baby, too.  Have you seen the fake cream recipe?

Dairy's a hard one for me, but I'm on Day 4 w/o it.  I'm still here.   :D  I almost caved and had some milk w/ my pancakes this morning, but I'm the type of person that is likely to keep caving after the 1st time. 

I DID have some Concord grapes w/ seeds yesterday--my 1st fruit (sans blueberries) in a long time.  I was out at my folks' and I usually eat many bad things there.   ::)  The grapes are available once a year, and I figured the grape seeds were good medicine.  ;)  Rationalize, rationalize....

Had some canned baked beans today w/ chicken dogs...a bit of sugar in them...hope I'm not on a slippery slope here.   :(  Had delicious chicken yesterday w/ peas and some rare steak fries (they're going the way of dairy next week). 

Focusing on the good things helps...what you mentioned sounds SO good!  I'm going to have a similar salad tonight!  Now to perfect salad dressing...

I hope this first week isn't too rough for you.  Make it as slow as you need to...

I'm surprised I haven't had more headaches.  I've been so thirsty lately and drinking lots, so that must help.
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: southmom2k October 20, 2008, 08:08:54 AM
I am interested in the fake cream...She says not to use Knox Gelatine. Does anyone know why??

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: YoopreMama October 20, 2008, 08:27:22 AM
I am interested in the fake cream...She says not to use Knox Gelatine. Does anyone know why??
I imagine there's something it that's off limits...do you have the ingredients handy?  Maybe her Yahoo! group has it...you could scan the posts..

I forgot to mention I made my GF pancakes (buckwheat and millet) w/o milk.  Better than the buckwheat ones from the other recipe.   :P  The recipe is on the GFCF thread or the cookbook breakfast fare thread...just put water in instead of milk.  And of course, my blueberries.  Sigh...will I ever get off of them?

Meatballs tonight...stuffed peppers w/ quinoa instead of rice on the menu for this week...egg salad in a tomato or pepper or on celery...or on those plain pancakes.  More chicken...salads...

Skin is clearing up more, except my neck...

Baby is fine...he's rolling now.  :D
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: mommie October 20, 2008, 08:27:54 AM
I thought gelatin had msg in another coded word...I could be wrong though maybe it was jello
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: mommie October 20, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
kay ladies, I was doing propilis and it just about killed my milk supply. took rrl and its back ptl, i was stressing, and the coconut oil is definately causing clogged ducts, but I'm talking 3 to 4 Tbs at ONE time in a shake!  can you use coconut milk for cream?
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: southmom2k October 20, 2008, 08:37:58 AM
The ingredients list says: gelatin...that is it...
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: Jemima October 20, 2008, 08:57:10 AM
Well, I'm back. 

It was a wonderful trip, except for the food. :) :-[ I lost all the ground in good eating that I had gained. :-[  But what do you do when breakfast is caramel rolls and orange juice?? :o  I never said anything about being on a diet, because, well, I just didn't feel like I could add that to her plate, so to speak, even if I took care of my own food. 

The saddest part is, I don't know if I'm going to make it back on again.  I think I'm going to keep staying off sugar, but I think I'll keep fruit. I may go dairy-free for a week, just for a little experiment since I've never gone off of it before. I'll definitely be eating a lot healthier than before - no eating junk just cause it's there, etc.

I'm going to keep taking garlic, CO, and CLO to try keep the yeast at bay, anyways.  ;D

I guess part of the reason I'm not going back as strict as I was, is I just don't feel like I was eating enough for my nursing daughter.  I'm sure it can be done - Yooper, you seem to be keeping up an ample and varied diet to provide for your baby - but I have a hard time getting it all together to keep myself from running on "E" and feeling like baby is not getting something she should.

I plan to do a more intense, perhaps shorter, yeast cleanse when I wean. I just feel more comfortable doing it then.

I'll still be following all of you's progress, though! And maybe pop in here and there to cheer you on! :)  I expect to be "needing" this thread sometime next spring/early summer, (when baby is weaned). 
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: InEverything October 20, 2008, 09:57:44 AM
Well, I'm back. 

It was a wonderful trip, except for the food. :) :-[ I lost all the ground in good eating that I had gained. :-[  But what do you do when breakfast is caramel rolls and orange juice?? :o  I never said anything about being on a diet, because, well, I just didn't feel like I could add that to her plate, so to speak, even if I took care of my own food. 

The saddest part is, I don't know if I'm going to make it back on again.  I think I'm going to keep staying off sugar, but I think I'll keep fruit. I may go dairy-free for a week, just for a little experiment since I've never gone off of it before. I'll definitely be eating a lot healthier than before - no eating junk just cause it's there, etc.

I'm going to keep taking garlic, CO, and CLO to try keep the yeast at bay, anyways.  ;D

I guess part of the reason I'm not going back as strict as I was, is I just don't feel like I was eating enough for my nursing daughter.  I'm sure it can be done - Yooper, you seem to be keeping up an ample and varied diet to provide for your baby - but I have a hard time getting it all together to keep myself from running on "E" and feeling like baby is not getting something she should.

I plan to do a more intense, perhaps shorter, yeast cleanse when I wean. I just feel more comfortable doing it then.

I'll still be following all of you's progress, though! And maybe pop in here and there to cheer you on! :)  I expect to be "needing" this thread sometime next spring/early summer, (when baby is weaned). 

It sounds like you did the right thing by not burdening your hostess,  I have been in that situation soooo many times.  Sugar seems like the easiest, most politically correct thing to avoid!  You would be doing very well to avoid it as much as possible.
In the Maker's Diet Phase 3, or forever  ;), he recommends staying away from sugar, raw honey is okay, and all processed food.  Sourdough or sprouted bread is okay.  Maybe you can do sourdough??  
Also, maybe you can focus on eating more good fats.  At least this may keep the carb intake lower.   Put lots of butter on your bread or pasta or rice (if you decide to indulge). I have read that this helps you to digest the carbs.
The garlic and co and clo sound great.  Any improvement you make is wonderful!  I wish I would've avoided sugar when I was pregnant and nursing. Lord willing maybe I will get the chance someday!  :) :)
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: YoopreMama October 20, 2008, 10:00:42 AM
chrissyjoy--Thanks for being the trailblazer in clogged ducts!  :D  I'll tuck that info away for future reference.  ;)  I'm using canned coconut milk a bit (nothing added)...I don't think the strictest plan includes it (she has a recipe for making some), but we're not all following it to the "T" due to the nursing.  She does address a bit of nursing while on this plan on her Yahoo! group.  That's a lot of EVCO for one serving.   :o

Found this on Knox:

Even though gelatin is a common food, it may pose a problem for some people. The proline and glycine in gelatin can make certain bacteria and yeast healthy. Also, too much proline could deactivate coenzyme B6. For this reason, if one is not used to gelatin in the diet, it would be best to start with a small amount, take it on an empty stomach, and observe your reactions carefully. Slowly allow your body time to get used to more gelatin in the diet.

I'm so glad you had a wonderful trip, Jemima!   Sounds like you put others before yourself...nothing wrong with that.  :)  Even just getting rid of sugar is fabulous and I'm curious to see you do w/o dairy, if you decide to.  The garlic, CO and CLO will still be excellent for overall health, too. 

My boy is 18 pounds at least, and seems to be doing well.  ;D  If I thought I'd be weaning anytime soon, I'd probably wait and do something later, too, but my last one nursed 'til he was almost 3.  THAT'S when/why? I did the Master Cleanse.  ::)

I see IE just posted some good stuff.  Amen!   :D
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: Jemima October 20, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
Thanks for the encouraging words, InEverything!! And Yooper! Sourdough would be a good thing to look into... I love trying new things.  Wonder if Nourishing Traditions talks about it?

Yeah, your baby boy sounds like he's flourishing, Yooper! :) My girl is about 15 or so.  They're such sweeties at this age!! (Well, maybe all ages!)

If I go dairy-free, I'll let you know how it goes!

 :-*
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: YoopreMama October 20, 2008, 03:50:21 PM
Jemima...we liked sour dough bread...mmm...a LONG time ago.  :D  Yeah, babies are darling at this age...so charming with their shrieks and cooing and cuddles and delight in simple things...and those cheeks...so smooth!  Did I really have skin like a baby at one point in life?!

I think being GF for almost a year and a half has really helping me along w/ this thing.  I think I'm going to try some dessert teas for some forgotten flavors (chocolate, caramel, fruit, etc.)...I also found a Chocolate Decadence recipe in my Mom's low carb cookbook yesterday.  Very intriguing.   :D  Not sure how game [desperate] I am but...here's the original recipe:

16 oz bittersweet chocolate square (or unsweetened baking chocolate and double the sweeteners)
2 packets Sweet and Low (yuck)
1 packet Equal (double yuck)
1 T. powdered Greek coffee (or instant)
1/2 lb. butter, unsalted
8 eggs

Essentially, you melt the chocolate, butter and coffee...separate the eggs, beat in the yolks and then whip the whites.  Fold in, pour in loaf pan and freeze.  Slice thin and serve w/ whipped cream.

Hmmm.... ::)

AM25, where are you?  Hope you and Jenny are doing well...How was your 1st day, Dixie?  4myhoonie--you doing OK?  You like that Dr. Schulze stuff, 'eh?  ;)

Good night.   :)
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: InEverything October 20, 2008, 06:17:09 PM
Just reading this on garlic....interesting!

At lower doses, garlic does not kill invaders but simply stops their multiplication, affording the body an opportunity to marshal its own defences. Garlic is the only antibiotic, which at the same time as fighting microbial invaders, also protects the body against poisons produced by infection. (Stephen Fulder, PhD, Garlic: Nature’s Original Remedy, Healing Arts Press, 1991)

Garlic is a unique antibiotic because it also nourishes beneficial bacteria, since oligosaccharides found in foods such as garlic and onions are prebiotics which selectively stimulate the growth activities of both good lactobacilli, Acidophilus and Bifidobacteria, in the colon, thereby improving health (Gibson G, et al, Aspects of Health and Disease Involving the Human Colonic Microbiotica, Summary Report of a First Plenary Meeting on Functional Food Science in Europe, Intl Life Sci Inst, 2-4 Apr, 1996); (Macfarlane G, Cummings J, BMJ, 318(999), 1999); (Roberfroid M, Am J Clin Nutr, 71(6), 2000).

I like the part about "marshal its own defenses"  I believe my body can fight this with a little help.
Garlic also stablilizes blood sugars! YEAH! :) :) :)
One website said Garlic was the number one superfood to combat candida.  I have just been dicing one garlic clove per day and taking with water...how about you?  I have heard that nursing babies love the taste of garlic.

Are you using apple cider vinegar?  I had to stop the kombucha because the sugars were affecting me, even after brewing for fifteen + days.
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: mommie October 20, 2008, 06:51:29 PM
I've been taking 2 garlic tabs one or two times a day and than trying to eat 2-3 cloves of freshly minced garlic in my brown rice/salsa/or something of that nature that I can get it down in. That was good to read that it helps the good stuff. Cuase I always ead it kills everything, therefore I was taking garlic at separate times than my probiotics. That is interesting. i would like ot do a little more study on that. Thanks for the info!
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: Dixiemom October 21, 2008, 03:28:36 AM
Good morning!

I am really missing sugar and bread.  I am drinking coffee with a splash of milk.  I am not ready to give milk up yet, but I am cutting back a lot on my dairy anyway.  I woke up with a headache this morning--die off??  I have been waking up with headaches anyway, so I am still hoping that in the long run, these changes are going to help.  We'll see.

I wasn't able to make my yummy salad yesterday because the chicken was frozen.  I put it in the fridge, but it is still frozen this morning. . . I may have to wait until tomorrow to start having good salads.  Something to look forward to.  8)

I hope that you all have a great day!!!
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: amazonmama2five October 21, 2008, 06:02:52 AM
Hey Guys!
I am doing well over all, Praise the LORD.  I was AWOL for a few days because we were at the hospital.  My FIL was admitted with a urinary tract infection and pneumonia.....  :'(  He has been discharged now and we are all "helping" him keep to a better diet!  ;) :) 
I lost a total of 4#'s in the first week!  Yehaw!  I am hoping for some very steady loss over the next few weeks.
I am running out of supplements!  I really hope that the yeast is dying and will continue w/o all the supps.
Hopefully my life will be on an even keel for a few days and I can report more often.............  ;)
Have a great day!
 
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: herbalmom October 21, 2008, 06:19:03 AM
Hey everybody, I just remembered a recipe that Melie AKA 'hhmom' posted before that would be a great way of taking garlic daily. It calls for straining out the vinegar after it steeps but I figure if you keep it in the fridge you wouldn't need to strain it & it would be usuable immed w/out steeping if you needed to. Just thought this might help for everyone taking garlic daily.

Blessings ~herbalmom

I know this thread is about roasting garlic but my kids love garlic in a different form.  I started making garlic vinegar.

You soak 4 bulbs of garlic in Apple Cider vinegar for 2 weeks then blend it as smooth as you can and strain it.  It lasts for years in the fridge.  We've gone through 2 batches this year and we've had several colds start to come on in different family members but no one has passed a cold on and no one has been very sick or sick for more than 3 days.  That is simply amazing for us.  Usually we just pass things around all winter.  It's been a nice change.

I would like to make this but I have a couple of questions. Is it 4 bulbs or 4 cloves? How much vinegar? Do you chop the garlic at all before steeping? Does the garlic soften at all while it's steeping? If it doesn't soften, I wonder if it could be blended first, steeped for a few days, blended again & then strained? Or if you don't chop it at all maybe it could be finely chopped, steeped for a shorter time, blended & then strained? What do you think? I bet my crew would take it even unstrained. OK, so that was more than a few question. ::) I would say that I'm just thinking out loud but of course I'm typing instead. ;D Since apple cider vinegar & garlic are both anti-fungal, this would be great for yeast/fungus. Thanks for taking the time to answer. You should post this on the thread about how do you take garlic. Blessings ~herbalmom
Hi Herbalmom,
Here is the recipe, it is from the book Herbs for Health and Healing by Kathi Keville - GREAT BOOK!

Garlic Vinegar:
4 garlic heads, divided into individual cloves (I don't peel them)
1 Pint Apple Cider Vinegar
1 Tbs Honey or glycerin (I leave this out)

Using a blender, (my Vitamix works GREAT!), blend the unpeeled garlic cloves and vinegar thoroughly.  Transfer the mixture to a covered container and let sit at room temperature for at least 2 weeks.  Strain and discard the garlic.  if you wish to sweeten the vinegar, add honey, glycerin or the sweetener of your choice.  (Remember that honey should not be given to children under 2 yrs old).  To treat parasites for a 50 lb child, give at least 3 tsp daily.  You can also use this formula now and then as a preventative measure.  This versatile preparation is good to have around to treat many different conditions.  Stored in a cool place, it will keep for many years."

Here's a funny thing.  I mentioned my kids like it.  My husband takes it alot but kind of gags on it.  He had a sinus infection today and I made him something I found on WTM.  6oz warm H2O, Garlic steeped 10 min, some ACV, Honey and Cayenne.  He took it and asked for more!!!  He liked it.  I am now positive that most people must be able to acquire a taste for it.  I just don't know when I will be desperate enough to get there!

Here's a funny thing.  I mentioned my kids like it.  My husband takes it alot but kind of gags on it.  He had a sinus infection today and I made him something I found on WTM.  6oz warm H2O, Garlic steeped 10 min, some ACV, Honey and Cayenne.  He took it and asked for more!!!  He liked it.  I am now positive that most people must be able to acquire a taste for it.  I just don't know when I will be desperate enough to get there!

When you get REALLY sick w/something & will do ANYTHING to get rid of it. ;) ;)

BTW, I don't know for sure, this is just a wild guess, but peeling the cloves might make it taste better. I don't know what the skins taste like steeped in vinegar but it's a thought. If you decide to peel, you can make it easier by cracking the garlic w/the flat side of a large knife, just hit the side of the knife w/the side of your fist or you can hit the garlic w/a can, skillet, etc., the skins then pick right off. Just my .02. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: YoopreMama October 21, 2008, 01:59:46 PM
I am wondering how well I'm killing these yeasties...my detox seems so mild--I feel GREAT...sometimes tired, but I love the more stable moods, clearer mind, and energy...baby has resumed his long naps (3 hours in the afternoon) and earlier bedtime (6 or 7) for 12 hours.   :o  I think it was the lack of fat I was getting for awhile...I think the quinoa and millet (and now garlic, it appears) are making some good milk, too.  ;)

I'm enjoying some soupy quinoa...I added butter, cinnamon, French Vanilla Stevia, & coconut milk and it reminds me of a tapioca pudding.  Even my 7 y.o. boy likes it--guess what's for breakfast tomorrow... :D

I'm so glad you shared this, IE!  I find this so motivating to keep taking it...
...Garlic is the only antibiotic, which at the same time as fighting microbial invaders, also protects the body against poisons produced by infection...

Garlic is a unique antibiotic because it also nourishes beneficial bacteria, since oligosaccharides found in foods such as garlic and onions are prebiotics which selectively stimulate the growth activities of both good lactobacilli, Acidophilus and Bifidobacteria, in the colon, thereby improving health

Garlic also stablilizes blood sugars! YEAH! :) :) :)

One website said Garlic was the number one superfood to combat candida.  I have just been dicing one garlic clove per day and taking with water...how about you?  I have heard that nursing babies love the taste of garlic.

Are you using apple cider vinegar?  I had to stop the kombucha because the sugars were affecting me, even after brewing for fifteen + days.
I am using ACV w/ the mother...no kombucha, per Bea's discussion on it.

I just went up to about 4 cloves/day...I crush them and separate them into swallowable chunks and take it w/ water.  I do let them sit 10 minutes before swallowing...apparently that maximizes some good things being released.  ;)

I am really missing sugar and bread.  I am drinking coffee with a splash of milk.  I am not ready to give milk up yet, but I am cutting back a lot on my dairy anyway.  I woke up with a headache this morning--die off??  I have been waking up with headaches anyway, so I am still hoping that in the long run, these changes are going to help.  We'll see.

I wasn't able to make my yummy salad yesterday because the chicken was frozen.  I put it in the fridge, but it is still frozen this morning. . . I may have to wait until tomorrow to start having good salads.  Something to look forward to.  8)
Hi, Dixie!  I just enjoyed some sprouted grain bread w/ lots of butter and bonus garlic.  Mmm...I rarely have bread anymore and thought I would since I'm foregoing dairy.  I'll still drop it Friday when Week 3 starts.  I'll still eat buckwheat, millet and quinoa, though, in moderate amounts.   That and dairy are hard to give up simultaneously.   :(  I'm hoping your headaches are a result of getting "healthier" and subside soon.  Yes, looking forward to salads, LOL, oh, how I have changed!  :D

... My FIL was admitted with a urinary tract infection and pneumonia.....  :'(  He has been discharged now and we are all "helping" him keep to a better diet!  ;) :) 

I lost a total of 4#'s in the first week!  Yehaw!  I am hoping for some very steady loss over the next few weeks.  I am running out of supplements!  I really hope that the yeast is dying and will continue w/o all the supps.
It's good to hear from you, as always, AM25!  What an opportunity to help your FIL eat better, as you're doing the same.  :)  I'm so happy for your weight loss...will you still have garlic?  Any fatty supplements?  Those seem to be the basic ones for now...

Thanks, herbalmom!  :-*
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: InEverything October 21, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
Hi--- just wrote a long post and then it disappeared. Esentially I was trying to encourage Yooper since she has been so wonderful to encourage the rest of us.  :) :) It sounds like you are maintaining a nice pace for detoxing...great for you and the baby!  Keep up all of the good work.  This could become a nice case study.  I would like to see if candida can become manageable with just managing what we eat.  My husband isn't really on board for much supplements or altered eating habits  ;)

Here is website that lists the varying degrees of candida and what to do
http://www.lourdes.edu/SYLLABI/HTW333_files/CandidaDiet.htm (http://www.lourdes.edu/SYLLABI/HTW333_files/CandidaDiet.htm)

 I would probably fall into a mild case, this is a miracle considering all of the antibiotics I received as a child.  Maybe I have my mom's good food to thank or my grandma's lard, butter and cream YUM!!

Another thing I read was that a person who lacks Vit C is more susceptibe to candida.  Interesting considering that those seeking alternative treatments for cancer cut out all sugar and take extreme doses of Vit C.  Does that make anyone think of yeast or fungus?   :o :o


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: joy b October 21, 2008, 03:25:20 PM
I want to start, but it seems like a huge mountain!  :-\  If I had internet at our house, I could get support from you all... anyone want to support me over the phone?!   :P 


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: YoopreMama October 21, 2008, 04:13:12 PM
Well, bless your heart, IE.  :-*  Thank you for the support...and the link.  My main symptom is the eczema, but w/ antibiotics...and childhood diet (although, I did eat liver and lots of lard) ;D, I'm sure I'm beyond a mild case.  The copper thing was interesting...copper ABOUNDS here.  Our area is even nicknamed for it.   8)

I think I am managing things well...I don't think they can win the battle w/ the very low carbs I'm doing, plus the CO, garlic, CLO, brew, and Vitamin C (that is interesting). 
...I would like to see if candida can become manageable with just managing what we eat.  My husband isn't really on board for much supplements or altered eating habits  ;)

Here is website that lists the varying degrees of candida and what to do
http://www.lourdes.edu/SYLLABI/HTW333_files/CandidaDiet.htm (http://www.lourdes.edu/SYLLABI/HTW333_files/CandidaDiet.htm)
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Another thing I read was that a person who lacks Vit C is more susceptible to candida.  Interesting considering that those seeking alternative treatments for cancer cut out all sugar and take extreme doses of Vit C.  Does that make anyone think of yeast or fungus?   :o :o
That's about the 3rd or 4th time in the past week that I'm seeing a relationship b/w candida/fungus and cancer.   :o

Joy B--it does seem like a huge mountain.  I don't think I would be doing this as well as I am w/o online support.  PM me, if you'd like.  :)
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: herbalmom October 21, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Another thing I read was that a person who lacks Vit C is more susceptibe to candida.  Interesting considering that those seeking alternative treatments for cancer cut out all sugar and take extreme doses of Vit C. Does that make anyone think of yeast or fungus?   :o :o

We are POSITIVE that the br*st 'cancer' that killed my mom in '07 was a fungal growth. You can read about it here:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5439.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5439.0.html)

HB is reading a book right now that makes the link between fungus & cancer. Also Doug Kaufmann, www.knowthecause.com (http://www.knowthecause.com) makes a compelling case that 'cancer' is actually a fungus in his books, esp the long version of 'The Germ That Causes Cancer'. The long version is out of print but some libraries have it. He now publishes 'The Germ That Causes Cancer Handbook which IMO just really isn't worth much. I MUCH prefer the big book.

Blessings ~herbalmom
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: InEverything October 22, 2008, 05:19:46 AM
Another thing I read was that a person who lacks Vit C is more susceptibe to candida.  Interesting considering that those seeking alternative treatments for cancer cut out all sugar and take extreme doses of Vit C. Does that make anyone think of yeast or fungus?   :o :o

We are POSITIVE that the br*st 'cancer' that killed my mom in '07 was a fungal growth. You can read about it here:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5439.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5439.0.html)

HB is reading a book right now that makes the link between fungus & cancer. Also Doug Kaufmann, www.knowthecause.com (http://www.knowthecause.com) makes a compelling case that 'cancer' is actually a fungus in his books, esp the long version of 'The Germ That Causes Cancer'. The long version is out of print but some libraries have it. He now publishes 'The Germ That Causes Cancer Handbook which IMO just really isn't worth much. I MUCH prefer the big book.

Blessings ~herbalmom
I do remember when your mom died Herbalmom.   :(
I really believe that there is a link.  This is why I avoid regular PB as much as possible.  :P :P I think that anyone suffering from wierd symptoms should cut out sugar immediately!  A friend of mine is getting tx for his cancer in Mexico. He was diagnosed with lung and liver cancer. I got really suspicious when he said that antibiotics were the only thing making him feel better . I told him to cut out sugar right away, he said "that upsets me, I just ate two twinkies!"  Ever since he has been very strict with his diet (plus his tx from Mexico) and now his liver is clear and he just has some little spots in his lungs. Lord willing he will make a full recovery!  Moderation with sweets is so important for anyone, but if you are sick that is the first thing that should go!  
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: YoopreMama October 22, 2008, 01:02:50 PM
I really believe that there is a link.  This is why I avoid regular PB as much as possible.  :P :P...
B/c of sugar in it? 

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: herbalmom October 22, 2008, 01:08:53 PM
I really believe that there is a link.  This is why I avoid regular PB as much as possible.  :P :P...
B/c of sugar in it? 

Probably b/c of the sugar but possibly also b/c peanuts almost always have some mold in them. 
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: InEverything October 22, 2008, 01:38:23 PM
I really believe that there is a link.  This is why I avoid regular PB as much as possible.  :P :P...
B/c of sugar in it? 

Probably b/c of the sugar but possibly also b/c peanuts almost always have some mold in them. 

Yes, there was a website that talked about people craving peanut butter, eating large amounts and later finding out they had cancer.  
A good brand of peanut butter is supposed to be arrowhead mill's.  Refrig. after opening to lessen the chance of fungus growing.  This is what horror movie's are made of!! :o :o
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: mommyjen October 22, 2008, 05:23:18 PM
AM25, where are you?  Hope you and Jenny are doing well..

I'm here still! We have a new baby and hubby started a new business so we are super busy these days!

Monday I cleared out my cupboard. It was so much fun! I took out all the sugars and refined carbs. I put the honey and rapadura in the garage and gave a girlfriend the half Costco bag of chocolate chips, a few cans of pineapple, some raisins, etc. I do not trust myself with these nearby! I forgot I had some o.j. concentrate and 10 pounds or so of dates in the freezer though. We ate dates with cream cheese after dinner tonight.  :-[  I am planning on bringing them to our weekly Sunday fellowship potluck in a few days. I kept the bit of maple syrup we have for our upcoming final Saturday morning brown rice or buckwheat pancake breakfast (weekly tradition). I am thinking about changing our Sat. morn tradition to eggs, bacon, swiss proccess decafinated coffee, and a half a grapefruit each. I know grapefruit is not allowed but they are one of the lower sugar/carb fruits (along with berries) an I may include them occasionally anyhow. I'm also planning on keeping blueberries in our diet. We went and picked 50+ pounds of blueberries this summer and they are in our freezer. These will come in handy if we are caving in to our sweet toothes or for a planned dessert. I'm thinking blueberries and fake cream every once in a while. :P I canceled our raw milk order yesterday, but we'll finish off the cheddar and cream cheese in the fridge. So basically I cut sugars, refined carbs, and dairy all within a few days of each other. It feels great to begin the process! We will do whole grains for a little while longer yet and I may possibly keep them in permanently. I know Bee says that you can keep 1/4 cup a day of whole grains (cooked?) if you are loosing weight too quickly. I'm not sure if this will be me or not but I may include this in our diet as a preventative measure as I have nursing babe. I am still thinking on this one. I've been writing a list of our favorite meals that would fit into this diet and hope next to get a meal plan together. I've got some shopping to do too! I'm not starting any supplements yet except maybe the HCI. 

I'm loving hearing your praises about getting off sugar! If you don't want all the diseases and health problems of our culture you've got to do something different!


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: mommyjen October 22, 2008, 05:31:36 PM
To Whom It May Concern,

Billy is no longer in control of his body. We stand in unison to declare that all talk of need for a special diet is ludicrous! There is no such thing as "candida". Billy says he loves you and everthing is going to be O.K. I hope you can see things our way.

Sincerely,
Candidas, oops

p.s. We need underwear & shirts. Thank you.


My hubby left this for me the other morning! Sometimes we joke about how "the candida made me do it" when we overdo sugar or eat disgustingly sweet things. I tell my hubby he's possesed at times by them! LOL. Don't worry about us too much...this is about as weird as we get.  :D
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: RunAmokFarm October 22, 2008, 05:50:26 PM
RE:  Billy is no longer in control of his body. We stand in unison to declare that all talk of need for a special diet is ludicrous! There is no such thing as "candida". Billy says he loves you and everthing is going to be O.K. I hope you can see things our way.
Sincerely,
Candidas, oops
p.s. We need underwear & shirts. Thank you.


Now THAT was funny!!   ;D
J
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: Dixiemom October 23, 2008, 03:24:18 AM
Good morning everyone!

I am just on day four, but I am starting to feel a little better.  I do not have a headache today!!!  Hooray!!!!!  I do think that cutting out sugar is a good thing to do.  It is just putting it into practice that is so very hard ::)

I am starving here.  I am eating, but it seems like I just can not get enough food.  Yesterday, I had coffee (I know, but I am waiting to cut that out) and almonds for breakfast.  I made a huge salad for lunch with buffalo chicken, celery, red onion, greens and green pepper.  I felt full for about 10 minutes.  For supper I had more chicken and veggies. 

I also boiled four eggs yesterday morning and ate ALL of them during the day.  Still hungry.

Is this normal???  I usually don't eat this much.  So, I don't understand why I am constantly starving on this plan.

Have a great day everyone!!!
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: mommie October 23, 2008, 04:49:54 AM
Dixie mom I think this is normal...I couldn't get enough food in me either at first and i'm tot even doing the same thing all of you are doing! Just cutting out sugar alone makes you STARVING it seems like!! I think it will subside after a bit...are you eating plenty of fats?
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: Dixiemom October 23, 2008, 05:02:26 AM
Dixie mom I think this is normal...I couldn't get enough food in me either at first and i'm tot even doing the same thing all of you are doing! Just cutting out sugar alone makes you STARVING it seems like!! I think it will subside after a bit...are you eating plenty of fats?

Thanks!  Glad to know that others have been through this too.  I hope that it gets better soon.  I am trying to focus on getting enough good fats in today.  A very strange problem to have--too little fat. :o  This has been an interesting experience so far! :D
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: herbalmom October 23, 2008, 06:14:41 AM
IMO, the extra hunger is actually a die off reaction. The yeasty beasties  ;) are trying to get you to eat CARBS & & if your starving you just might give in & eat carbs. Besides, the starch in good carbs helps you stay full longer- that's the reason for the trick of adding carbs/starch to a meal when you need 'stick to the ribs' food or need to stretch food to feed a crowd.

As far as something that might help, I was just reading an email from Tropical Traditions about their coconut flour being on sale. It mentioned mixing the coconut flour into water for a coconut flavored fiber supplement or adding it to smoothies, etc. How about trying it to help fill you up & stick with you? Because it's high in fiber it should help keep you regular also. Most everyone is taking coconut oil anyways so this would just add a little more coconut oil to your diet but would also add protein (it's 19% NON gluten protein) & fiber as well. It might help.

Adding ground flax to your meals should help also. Good fats, fiber & it expands in the stomach to help fill you up.

Blessings ~herbalmom
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: YoopreMama October 23, 2008, 06:32:10 AM
To Whom It May Concern,

Billy is no longer in control of his body. We stand in unison to declare that all talk of need for a special diet is ludicrous! There is no such thing as "candida". Billy says he loves you and everything is going to be O.K. I hope you can see things our way.

Sincerely,
Candidas, oops

p.s. We need underwear & shirts. Thank you.

My hubby left this for me the other morning! Sometimes we joke about how "the candida made me do it" when we overdo sugar or eat disgustingly sweet things. I tell my hubby he's possessed at times by them! LOL. Don't worry about us too much...this is about as weird as we get.  :D

Oh, Jenny (and Billy)!  Thanks for the big laughs this morning. 

 :D :D :D :D

That is something my hubby would do.  LOL still...

You are super busy!  :o :o  AND ambitious--you really are setting yourself up to succeed on this plan, with getting rid of those yummy things.  Good for you!  I LOVE dates and cream cheese (bananas and cream cheese are goo, too).  MMMmmm.  I can THINK about eating them, right?  :D

Where did you find the stuff about 1/4 c. grains? The Yahoo! group?  That's a good measure...I'm keeping quinoa, millet, and buckwheat....and some blue corn chips for now.  Sounds like we're on a similar menu.  :)  Glad to have you for a partner!  ;D

I'm not on the HCl...any compelling reason why I should be?

I'm here still! We have a new baby and hubby started a new business so we are super busy these days!

Monday I cleared out my cupboard. It was so much fun! I took out all the sugars and refined carbs. I put the honey and rapadura in the garage and gave a girlfriend the half Costco bag of chocolate chips, a few cans of pineapple, some raisins, etc. I do not trust myself with these nearby! I forgot I had some o.j. concentrate and 10 pounds or so of dates in the freezer though. We ate dates with cream cheese after dinner tonight.  :-[  I am planning on bringing them to our weekly Sunday fellowship potluck in a few days. I kept the bit of maple syrup we have for our upcoming final Saturday morning brown rice or buckwheat pancake breakfast (weekly tradition). I am thinking about changing our Sat. morn tradition to eggs, bacon, swiss proccess decaffeinated coffee, and a half a grapefruit each. I know grapefruit is not allowed but they are one of the lower sugar/carb fruits (along with berries) an I may include them occasionally anyhow. I'm also planning on keeping blueberries in our diet. We went and picked 50+ pounds of blueberries this summer and they are in our freezer. These will come in handy if we are caving in to our sweet toothes or for a planned dessert. I'm thinking blueberries and fake cream every once in a while. :P I canceled our raw milk order yesterday, but we'll finish off the cheddar and cream cheese in the fridge. So basically I cut sugars, refined carbs, and dairy all within a few days of each other. It feels great to begin the process! We will do whole grains for a little while longer yet and I may possibly keep them in permanently. I know Bee says that you can keep 1/4 cup a day of whole grains (cooked?) if you are losing weight too quickly. I'm not sure if this will be me or not but I may include this in our diet as a preventative measure as I have nursing babe. I am still thinking on this one. I've been writing a list of our favorite meals that would fit into this diet and hope next to get a meal plan together. I've got some shopping to do too! I'm not starting any supplements yet except maybe the HCI...

Yea, Dixie!!!!

I was in the starving boat, too.  8)  It seems like it cycles.  I'm not sure how long it takes for our bodies to "switch over" to running on fat, but I suspect it will get easier w/ that happening.  I'm sure we'll keep cravings things, though...I've learned that there is a difference b/w being hungry and craving foods to feed the yeast.   It's nice to crave good foods...like lettuce and meat...I was crabby yesterday...had more carbs than I probably should have (sprouted bread, quinoa), but they're not off the menu until tomorrow, and even then, I'll keep some seed grains in small amounts.
I am just on day four, but I am starting to feel a little better.  I do not have a headache today!!!  Hooray!!!!! ...

I am starving here.  I am eating, but it seems like I just can not get enough food...

I also boiled four eggs yesterday morning and ate ALL of them during the day.  Still hungry.

Is this normal???  I usually don't eat this much.  So, I don't understand why I am constantly starving on this plan.

Oooh...good suggestions (as always), HM!  How are you doing?  That anti-yeast thread on the LC Forum had some coconut "cookies" that people were enjoying. 
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: InEverything October 23, 2008, 06:58:19 AM
Mommyjen and Dixiemom--
In the Maker's Diet grapefruit and coffee w/ cream are allowed all of the way through.  So don't feel bad if you indulge a little, just don't go overboard!  :D
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: YoopreMama October 23, 2008, 07:16:01 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Mommyjen and Dixiemom--In the Maker's Diet grapefruit and coffee w/ cream are allowed all of the way through.  So don't feel bad if you indulge a little, just don't go overboard!  :D
So does that mean a glass of cream w/ dinner would be "overboard"?  :D

I was looking at the site HM posted re: Doug Kaufmann..his diet has some "goodies" in there, too.  ;)  Nice site, BTW, HM--thanks AGAIN.  :-*
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: herbalmom October 23, 2008, 07:22:06 AM
To Whom It May Concern,

Billy is no longer in control of his body. We stand in unison to declare that all talk of need for a special diet is ludicrous! There is no such thing as "candida". Billy says he loves you and everything is going to be O.K. I hope you can see things our way.

Sincerely,
Candidas, oops

p.s. We need underwear & shirts. Thank you.

My hubby left this for me the other morning! Sometimes we joke about how "the candida made me do it" when we overdo sugar or eat disgustingly sweet things. I tell my hubby he's possessed at times by them! LOL. Don't worry about us too much...this is about as weird as we get.  :D

I read this to DH & oldest DS & we all cracked up. Thanks.

Since we have issues with major behaviour changes with certain foods, high carbs, etc I could see it becoming a standing joke that the  'yeasty beasties' made me do it.  ;) 


Oooh...good suggestions (as always), HM!  How are you doing?  That anti-yeast thread on the LC Forum had some coconut "cookies" that people were enjoying. 

I'm doing OK. Not following the diet yet although obviously I am following the threads.

We are still doing work on our downstairs (since we are now renting the whole house instead of just the upstairs- see prayer requests) & I don't have the new kitchen downstairs set up. It's ironic- right now I have 2 kitchens in the same house & one is  being moved out of & the other isn't set up so neither one works very well right now.  ::) ::)

Just as soon as we get it together in the house we will be doing the diet as well. I'll be sure to post when we do. My 'yeasty beasties' are sure going to miss Pepsi.  ;) :D (My poison of choice & my major sugar fix) Actually, DD & youngest DS's 'yeasty beasties' are going to miss it also considering they regularly drink my Pepsi.  ::) ::)   
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: herbalmom October 23, 2008, 07:34:42 AM
;D ;D ;D
Mommyjen and Dixiemom--In the Maker's Diet grapefruit and coffee w/ cream are allowed all of the way through.  So don't feel bad if you indulge a little, just don't go overboard!  :D
So does that mean a glass of cream w/ dinner would be "overboard"?  :D

I was looking at the site HM posted re: Doug Kaufmann..his diet has some "goodies" in there, too.  ;)  Nice site, BTW, HM--thanks AGAIN.  :-*

A glass of cream just might be a bit much.  ;) It would sure get things 'moving' though if you were having problems in that area.  ;)

BTW- a glass of cream reminded me- is anyone using the coconut cream concentrate from Tropical Traditions? It's coconut ground so fine (& b/c it's high fat) it's a paste. You can mix with water to make coconut milk or cream & it's easy to add to smoothies, etc. It can also be spread on crackers, etc if you're eating them. We have had some for a while but we are just starting to use it. Get it on the buy 2 quarts get 2 quarts free special & it works out to a good price compared to canned coconut milk or cream in the store & it's fresher & organic.

As far as Doug Kaufmann, I have his cookbook. Once I find it (I am going to be SO happy to finally have all my books unpacked- my books exceeded my bookcases & room available YEARS ago. I think we might actually have enough room in this house but we will see.  ;) :D) I will post some recipes. 

 
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: mommyjen October 23, 2008, 07:13:26 PM
Where did you find the stuff about 1/4 c. grains?


Here's that quote Yooper...

Some people who are losing weight too rapidly might have to eat small amounts of safe grains to stop their weight loss, but even then they should only consume a maximum of 1/4 cup per day.


This is from the article How to Successfully Overcome Candida. Yes I'll be including the safe grains too like br, bw, millet, and I know there's one more too that I can't remember right now.

Sounds like we're on a similar menu.  :)  Glad to have you for a partner!  ;D

I couldn't do it without you my friend!  :)

I'm not on the HCl...any compelling reason why I should be?

I'll have to get back to you on that one.

HM, the yeasty beasties is a hoot!

Gotta Go seems to be my motto these days. I hope things slow down a bit for me soon!
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT October 24, 2008, 01:59:52 AM
So my husband and I are easing into the diet.  I started three days ago to cut out all candy.  I think it is easier for me to stop some things a little at a time.  I still have hot chocolate. Can't give that up too quick when there are snow flurries.  Is there an acceptable coco drink?  I tried making my own mix but my boys thought it was not too good.  I could do it, but not with them having the real fake thing around. 

We have also stopped bread and pasta as of yesterday.  Do pastries count as bread? ::) ;D  I had a slice of apple pie.   :o

But, considering how i had been eating, this is pretty good.

Oh, are dark chocolate brownies on the diet? ;)
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: YoopreMama October 24, 2008, 03:53:03 AM
Do I know you?  ???

:D

Welcome!   ;D  Starting where you're at and cutting things out slowly...I think that's wise. That's part of the appeal of going slowly--minimizing detox and making the odds of success better.  We all have our weaknesses.   ;)

Good to hear from you, HM and Jenny.  :) :) Today begins Week 3 here..down another pound and cutting out the grains that are "bad"...and decreasing the "good" ones:

High carb foods such as starches, grains and legumes (plants with seed pods), including breads, cereal, pasta, pizza, cereal, baked goods, peas and beans from seed pods, potatoes, etc.

Preparing to be hungry and cranky.   ::)

How're you doing Dixie? AM25? IE?  Are you all getting enough water b/w meals?  Sometimes I do this so well, other times... ::)  It sure is important!
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: mommie October 24, 2008, 05:52:02 AM
Is there a hot tea you could do? Or depending on how serious you're getting, I would do cocoa w/ coconut milk and some stevia and almond extract (I would use the fake stuff so you weren't getting any alcohol) and I bet that might be yummy. I was doing cocoa w/ plain kefir, coconut oil and banana and ice in the blender (I'm not following things completely by a long shot :)) But I figured it was better than an ice cream shake! It wasn't the YUMMIEST shake, but its kinda like black coffee to me. When I was young I did a cleanse and was allowed no sugar, that's when I picked up my horrible black coffee habit. Everyone would sit and drink coffee and eat dessert. I would just drink the black coffee and felt like since it was associated w/ desert I was still eating dessert...kinda weird I guess, but to this day, I still feel as if I'm having a dessert treat when drinking black coffee!!
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: 4myhoonie October 24, 2008, 07:57:27 AM
4myhoonie--you doing OK?  You like that Dr. Schulze stuff, 'eh?  ;)

Good night.   :)

hey yooper!  oops!  i just found this! well, i guess you could say i bailed on you.  :-\  sorry, i meant to post something in the Shabby's diet thread.  yes, i am using intestinal #1 and it was miraculous from the start.  after a week, i can tell now, when i eat too many carbs, but mostly i am practically healed!  i am eating normally, whole foods.  not a lot of fruit, yet, but a balance of other things.  i've had a couple cookies so far, but that is about all.  i won't do that every day.  and i had a bite or two of dessert at our home church sat. night.   ;D  big deal for me!  i am going to start the intestinal #2 part of the bowel detox on Sunday, along with my hubby and kids.    i hope that doing that every 3 or 4 months will take care of my yeast and other problems.  i like the other products i've used of his too.  i was really at rock bottom with trying to do it the other way, it just wasn't working for me.  i wish you all the best though and am still lurking around.   :D 
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: autoshopmama October 24, 2008, 06:11:13 PM
Hi.  Not totally sure if I'm supposed to hit "reply" at the first post or the last, does it matter?

I've read through ... I have some questions ... and definitely need some encouragement!

I've been dealing with what I think is candida or candida related for years and it just keeps getting worse (duh)

I bought the Anti-Yeast pack from BeeYoutiful ... I got the regular one even though I'm nursing b/c he's 12mo old and only nursing a few times a day/night.  Also, I'm tired of this, so I was trying to go drastic.  I doubled (and sometimes tripled) the doses and I didn't notice a huge difference, although there was some.  (Oh, wait, see the note about cheating below ...  ::))  Just bought my second pack the other day.

My son who's nursing is allergic to: Dairy, Beet Sugar, Cane Sugar, Corn Syrup and Candida .... (Hmmm, I wonder how he got those allergies???  ::))

In the first post the sample plan looks like you change diet first and then add supplements - is this the recommended method?  I've been taking supplements a lot and then working at changing my diet.  Is that ok?  (I stink at changing my diet ... I've even discovered that I can sneak a latte if I take more digestive enzymes and probiotics ... then it doesn't affect the baby ... ugh)

I saw that someone was taking Milk Thistle - I thought that was a bad supplement when nursing and that you were supposed to take Blessed Thistle?

I also saw lots of people talking about peanuts and the knesiologist I saw said to stay far away from peanuts b/c yeast loves them???  Anybody know about this???

I just checked out "The Gut Flush Plan" from the library and have started reading it.  Anybody here read/used it?  Is it useful or should I skip it and go straight to TMD? 

I'm so worn out and tired of fighting this.  I was seeing a dr. for a while and he finally agreed to let me "nuke the system" so I could start over, but then I got preggo ... so we didn't do that, and I'm glad.   I know I need to walk through this, but it's discouraging to think that it could take several months, or longer, to correct my body. 

Thanks ...
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: autoshopmama October 24, 2008, 06:41:25 PM
So I wandered around some more (This place is HUGE and a bit overwhelming) and ran into a thread about dr. schulze's stuff ... I have been making Master Tonic for years - we all swear by it around here...so what about his 5-Day bowel detox?  Has anyone tried it?  Would I NEED to do the detox and the ech +?  Mostly I'm thinking I might be able to talk dh into the detox, but the extra $$ for the ech might be pushing the envelope a bit for us.
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: Dixiemom October 25, 2008, 03:31:16 AM
Good morning!  I hope everyone is doing well.  I have not eaten any sugar, fruits (except lemon juice) or grains this week.  I am really a sugar addict, so this has been a major accomplishment!

I was trying to cut back on dairy too--only a splash of milk in my coffee.  Well, I was starving 24/7 so I started eating a lot more dairy--cheese, ricotta cheese.  I am still planning on cutting out dairy at some point, but I just couldn't do it this week.  Probably not next week either. . . .

Yesterday was my baby's first birthday!  We had a pizza party, cake, icecream and bountiful treat bags.  And--I did not even take a bite of anything!!!  Hooray for me!  I ate before the party and tried to stay busy while I was there so that I wasn't feeling sorry for myself.  And, it worked!  I really did have a nice time and went home not feeling guilty.

I have also lost 5 pounds.  I was up a few at the start of the week because I ate like a crazy woman last week knowing that I wasn't going to get to eat those foods again for a long time.  But, I am still below my lowest point this year. 

I feel like my 'brain fog' is lifting too.  Anyone else experience this??  It's hard to explain, but I feel more alert and able to focus.

Well, I hope that everyone has a great weekend!!
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: 4myhoonie October 25, 2008, 04:25:39 AM
So I wandered around some more (This place is HUGE and a bit overwhelming) and ran into a thread about dr. schulze's stuff ... I have been making Master Tonic for years - we all swear by it around here...so what about his 5-Day bowel detox?  Has anyone tried it?  Would I NEED to do the detox and the ech +?  Mostly I'm thinking I might be able to talk dh into the detox, but the extra $$ for the ech might be pushing the envelope a bit for us.

i am trying not to hijack this thread, but i am loving his intestinal #1.   ;D  see my post here:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20926.msg206881/topicseen.html#new

and there's lots of info about cutting the costs involved with buying these products.  i am not doing the ech + but ordered some for kids, colds, etc.  the super tonic is good too.  HTH
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: HappyWifey October 25, 2008, 11:12:56 AM
I am interested and doing the intestinal #1. I haven't bought it yet, but I started praying the God would heal me from my Candida, and I have noticed my symptoms have gotten quite a bit better! PTL!
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: YoopreMama October 26, 2008, 09:28:52 AM
Just finally checking in here...enjoying some spicy chili right now.  :)

We have a uncertified organic farm a mile or two away from us and they had their last day yesterday.  What a treat to get LOTS of good produce at a good price...a variety of squash, red potatoes, honey, lettuce, rutabagas, apples, grapes, rainbow carrots, tomatoes, garlic, onions, etc.

I get some crabby spells, and the skin is improving, and then gets worse...it's not so bad right now, but the stuff on my neck is annoying...w/ baby's flailing arms scratching me and drool making it chafe when he's in his sling.  My clarity of thought remains good and my moods (for the most part) are pretty even-keel.  Energy is good.

I had 7 cloves of garlic one day.  :o  I'm mostly around 4, and the EVCO is around 3-4 spoonfuls.  Butter really makes egg nog good--did I mention that?  ::)  Love butter... :-* :-* :-* Enjoyed some coconut milk and blueberries w/ stevia and butter.  Can't even think of how to describe it...like a pudding.  It was "good".   :D 

Still eating corn, quinoa and millet...some beans in the chili.  I really need to up my veggies, esp., and meat.

I second the hot tea...I have a CS chocolate/Caramel dessert tea...the coconut milk is good w/ stevia and cocoa, too.  Almond extract...mmmm.  Chrissyjoy--we all have deviations, but we're making changes as we're able, and things have GOT to be getting better internally as a result.  Keep it up!    ;D
Is there a hot tea you could do? Or depending on how serious you're getting, I would do cocoa w/ coconut milk and some stevia and almond extract (I would use the fake stuff so you weren't getting any alcohol) and I bet that might be yummy...

Hi, 4MH!  I'm glad things are going SO well for you w/ Dr. Schulze's stuff.  Keep us posted on that, please...we may want to follow in your footsteps.  ;)

Hi, autoshopmama--welcome!  :)  Wherever you hit reply works.  Unless you want to quote someone specifically...then you can hit "Reply with Quote" (or something like that).

I hope we can encourage you here.    You sound very motivated! 

Some of us are going w/ the initial post's method, yes--changing diet, taking CLO, EVCO, and garlic, and then adding antifungals and probiotics as dictated.  As far as doing more of a supplement approach and not so much of a dietary one...???  The main reason I'm going this route is b/c it's slower and less drastic for baby.  I suppose one could do it w/ supplements alone, but I'd expect a hard detox and if you don't change your eating style, I'd suspect a resurgence of the problem (they really seem to multiply).  I'm no expert on this, by any means.  Search out posts by healthybratt on this topic or PM her.  She know LOTS about this yeast stuff... ;D 8) ;)

Blessed thistle IS great for nursing moms.  I've don't recall encountering milk thistle as being bad while nursing.  Anyone else?

Re: the peanuts--I think it's the mold that the yeast loves.  Almonds are supposed to be "better".

Don't know about the Gut Flush plan, but you could use the search engine to see if anyone's posted on it.  The Maker's Diet is something others are on right now, too.  It's similar to the anti-yeast plan.

Keep reading--I hope you find the answers here.  There is a wonderful treasure of wisdom and experience posted here by some fabulous ladies.   :)  I see 4MH has already answered your questions about Dr. Schulze's products and directed you to a discussion on his stuff.  ;D

I've been dealing with what I think is candida or candida related for years and it just keeps getting worse (duh)

I bought the Anti-Yeast pack from BeeYoutiful ... I got the regular one even though I'm nursing b/c he's 12mo old and only nursing a few times a day/night.  Also, I'm tired of this, so I was trying to go drastic.  I doubled (and sometimes tripled) the doses and I didn't notice a huge difference, although there was some.  (Oh, wait, see the note about cheating below ...  ::))  Just bought my second pack the other day.
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In the first post the sample plan looks like you change diet first and then add supplements - is this the recommended method?  I've been taking supplements a lot and then working at changing my diet.  Is that ok?  (I stink at changing my diet ... I've even discovered that I can sneak a latte if I take more digestive enzymes and probiotics ... then it doesn't affect the baby ... ugh)

I saw that someone was taking Milk Thistle - I thought that was a bad supplement when nursing and that you were supposed to take Blessed Thistle?

I also saw lots of people talking about peanuts and the knesiologist I saw said to stay far away from peanuts b/c yeast loves them???  Anybody know about this???

I just checked out "The Gut Flush Plan" from the library and have started reading it.  Anybody here read/used it?  Is it useful or should I skip it and go straight to TMD?  ...

Dixie--You are doing so well!  Dropping all that stuff and then maintaining your plan even w/ all of the birthday stuff.  Good for you!  And weight loss is nice (for most people)...I don't have the brain fog either...so nice! 

PTL, indeed, AHG!   :)



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: pljammie October 26, 2008, 04:59:36 PM
I haven't officially started the diet yet.  We are still eating up the junk from the pantry so it will be empty of "bad" stuff.  We are also camping this week for 5 days so hubby said to wait until Monday to start with the diet. (He's doing the diet with me...this will make it so much easier.) So far, I've started taking 2 CLO tablets per day.  I also have EPO tablets and have been taking about 3 per day (not sure if Evening Primrose oil helps with candida or not).  I'm going to reread the part on the supplements and see if I need to order some stuff.  I'm sort of thinking I might rather go drastic and get the detox over within a few days rather than drag it out.  Last time I did this diet I felt terrible for 2 days and then like a million bucks after that.  I'm also considering the Dr. Shulze products to get things moving in the right direction.  This time I'm off of birth control pills, aleve and other major contributors that I didn't stop taking last time.  Our jersey cow is dry right now so it's a good time to go dairy free. 

Jammie
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: Dixiemom October 27, 2008, 03:33:44 AM
Good morning everyone!

Well, I kinda sorta blew it yesterday.  :-[ I have been to a zillion events this week with cake, candy, caramel apples, ice cream, brownies, funnel cake and every other great thing that I  can't have.  I did great. I stood firm. Until last night.  I just couldn't take it any more and I ate one tiny little miniature candy bar.  It was so yummy.  So, then I ate another one.  And another one.  And another one.   :o :'(

Why do I do that??????  I had been so very good for so long.

The good news is that I am now down 7 pounds in one week and I do not have a headache today!!!!  Maybe even dramatically reducing the amount of sugar I eat is helping.  Trust me, all of that candy still was reduction in what I would have normally done during a week like this.

I am going to try again to have a sugar free/wheat free week. 

Have a great day everyone!

Jammie--I did the same thing you are doing--eating every bad thing in the house before I started.  I don't regret it either.  So, I hope you enjoy it and I hope you will be joining us soon! :)
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: YoopreMama October 27, 2008, 03:54:54 AM
Dixie--
That's OK!   :-*  Just be prepared for any residual cravings... :o  I'd have had more than one, too.   ::)  7 pounds and no headaches...I'd say you are doing very well!   8)

Jammie--sounds like you are set up to get this done w/ swiftly...support, (even from your cow) :D, and feasting to get it out of your system...If I wasn't nursing, I'd probably go the way you're headed, too.

BTW--I also "feasted" before I started.   ::)  Cereal and milk...ahhh...my kingdom of supplements for a bowl of granola and milk... :D
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT October 27, 2008, 03:59:24 AM
Hello all, yes, we have done the Maker's Diet in the past to get rid of the candida.  This time, we are doing it again but gradually change the diet to better rather than a quick jump.  We have really reduced pasta to once every other week this whole year where we were having it every day or other day for the past 18 years! 

Yooper, you are so great to reply to everyone!  I want to say good job all!  Keep running so as to win the race!  We fall down sometimes (yesterday a girl gave me a sour patch kid and I forgot to say no until after I had swallowed!) but we get back up. 

So this week I am cutting out the desserts  :'(
 ;D No more candy or desserts with sugar, only honey!  No hot chocolate (it's not cold anymore ;) ) and only water or tea with honey.  In the Maker's Diet, they allow a T of honey/day.  I will use three  ::)

I guess I should go back and read the original posts sometime as I have no idea what EPO and VSAC and all the other abbreviations are  :P  :D
I assume they are a supplement.  I am taking the Yeast Away from Beeyoutiful.  Must do a lot less bread though!

Okay, enough for now.  Will be praying for you all :) :-*
Lovin'
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: mommie October 27, 2008, 05:29:09 AM
I found that if you eat a couple fresh cloves of garlic w/ a small bit of hummus after eatng a piece of chocolate cake....it seems to cancel each other out.  ;D
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: mommyjen October 27, 2008, 08:10:09 AM
RE: milk thistle. This herb is completlely safe to take during breastfeeding and is great for increasting a mom's milk supply and it is a totally awesome liver cleanser. When it take it my eyes are bright white! The color of the whites of your eyes indicates liver health. Yellow means an unhealthy liver.

Anywhoo... :D

We're doing great here! Still doing whole grains and using up a few things in the cupboards/fridge that are not on the diet. I spent some time online last night on Bee's yahoo group finding the correct supplements and then figuring out where to buy.  I am not sure it I am experiency die off or not because we are all sick too i.e. Congestion, muscle aches, and loose stools. We've been sick with colds/flu/stomach bugs several times since my 6 wk. old was born. It's been tough. Thats one thing I am looking foward too is building a stronger immune system by getting off sugar and refinded carbs. I'm researching what a good diet would look like after all this. I didn't binge before starting and got rid of my junk because I don't plan to go back to it! Otherwise the Candida will just come back!  My first step is to cure candida but then I am very interested in staying on Bee's healing diet to detox, chelate heavy metals, let my body heal on a celluar level getting rid of the yucky junk in them and making them better able to do their job better and absorb nutrients better, and to balance my hormones and reverse any other damage that may have been caused to my thyroid, adrenals, etc. from my former SAD and chemical culture, and SO much more!

But, one thing at a time!

I'm trying to find good recipes. I read mashed turnips or cauliflower with lots of butter and salt makes a great mashed potato sub. This might go great with meatloaf?  ;D I'm trying a few things of my own too. I'm saving egg whites to beat till fluffy and then bake on a cookie sheet to make rolls. You know, kinda like macarrons. Maybe with butter they would be okay. It's worth a try anyways!  :D lol! I guess I do have a good imagination Yooper! 

We read this a few days ago in our family bible reading and it greatly encouraged me.

"It is not good to eat much honey..." Proverbs 25:27

Let's remember to pray for each other!

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: YoopreMama October 27, 2008, 08:53:35 AM
Jenny--You are a gem!  :-* Thank you for your posts, as you manage to squeeze them in w/ your new boy.  You are pretty committed to optimal long-term health, and that is encouraging.  I'm STILL chuckling over Billy's note... :D  The stuff about the eyes and milk thistle was SO interesting.  My liquid tincture tastes awful, but I may start it up again.  GREAT bible verse to know--going to check it out now w/ the children.  I've had mashed cauliflower and think it's a viable mashed potato sub.  Mmm...meatloaf.   :-*

Here's a possible recipe for your vivid imagination  :o  ;):

Meringue Drops submitted by milmuth
GF/CF, soy & nut free

3 egg whites
1 tsp. vanilla
honey to taste, ~ 2 Tbs.
1c. dried fruit, chopped (I used half apricots and half dates)

Place egg whites, vanilla, and honey in mixer.  Mix on high until stiff.  Fold in dried fruit.

Drop into greased muffin tins (to help keep shape; possibly not needed to be muffin tin) about 1/3 to 1/2 full Bake at 300 for 15-20 min.  Allow to cool slowly. 

I stored in fridge.  They are a little messy, but a good treat instead of cookies or marshmallows or such for those who can have eggs.

Chili leftovers here and crustless pasty tomorrow.  Tried ButterCup squash for the 1st time w/ broccoli at lunch...mmm...creamy sweet!

YES!   PRAY!   ;D

Thanks for the um, "tip", chrissy!  :D  Sounds like my kind of rationale.  :D

And Lovin', you are doing a variety of small steps that are going to add up to better health.  Thank you for your prayers!  :-*
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: mommyjen October 27, 2008, 10:31:07 AM
Here's some good cheating guidelines from Bee's yahoo group.   ;) :o

What you are doing is cheating, which can be done if it is kept to a minimum, without getting severe die-off symptoms. It is best to cheat
only once a week, and to comsume an offending food/drink within a 2
hour time period so it can get through your system and be detoxified.
You would experience symptoms if you had something like that every day
or every other day on a consistent basis.

When you do add foods to your diet, it is best to wait until you are on
the complete program (last step being probiotics) and you haven't had
any die-off symptoms for 2 months, and the major symptoms caused by
candida are mostly healed.

Then you start by adding vegetables not on the program. When you add
grains start with non-gluten grains such as brown rice, buckwheat,
millet, amaranth or quinoa and ensure they are soaked beforehand, or
they are cooked long periods of time to remove phytates that block
mineral absorption in the body, and enzymes that interfere with protein
digestion. Sugars and fruits aren't good for anyone's health. Even
healthy people shouldn't consume more than 2 servings of fruit per day,
and then they must get plenty of good fats along with them in order to
slow the release of fructose into the system. See more information
about fructose at Dr. Mercola's website: www.mercola.com

Bee
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: mommie October 27, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
come on Jen my idea seems much better!! :)
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: mommyjen October 27, 2008, 04:27:10 PM
come on Jen my idea seems much better!! :)

lol! Well speaking of cheating...My neighbor brought over a beautiful pumpking cake for us this afternoon. It looked like a jelly roll and had a cream cheese or powdered sugar filling of sorts. I decided the boys and I could have some. We ate a moderate piece each and and the pumpkin flavor was delicous but it tasted sickly sweet after a few bites  (thats good my taste buds are changing.) I did not want to pig out. My stomach felt really sick and naseus for about an hour afterwards. Ugh. I have been having nasea before I started the candida diet but wasn't sure if it was due to the mass amounts of sugar I for some reason want to binge on after each babys birth (natural sugar, but it feeds candida just the same) or because I'm nursing and wasn't staying hydrated enough. I found my answer today. My shoulder feel really tense too, like painful... ??? A big mistake was eating the cake on an empty stomach after naps rather than with or at the end of a meal.  :(

Here's my egg white popovers!!

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/MommaJenny/Lewisbirth043.jpg)

My 3 yr old Charles said they were "real good" and hubby really liked them. I thought they were pretty good too with butter slathered on each bite. Not the real thing though but I know that will come again...someday. *sigh* Truthfully, I could go without fake substitutes but I know my family will really appreciate it and it will keep up the troops morale. I really appreciate them doing this diet with me!

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: YoopreMama October 28, 2008, 06:12:08 AM
God's built-in detox for too much honey, Proverbs 25 :16:

When you find honey, eat only as much as you need. Otherwise, you will have too much and vomit.

The popovers look yummy!!!!!
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: Dixiemom October 28, 2008, 09:37:39 AM
Hi everyone!

Just checking in.  Not much new around here. . .just chugging along.  Oh, I don't have a headache!!!!  I have gone since Sunday w/out one.  This is just a huge, huge improvement!  Woo-hoo!

I am still hungry, but I made a meatloaf last night without any bread crumbs or flour.  It was tasty and it actually filled me up.  I think I am going to be making that again.

Yooper, thanks for this thread and your sweet comments.  I am so thankful for the support and encouragement here!!

Have a great day!
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: YoopreMama October 28, 2008, 10:14:54 AM
Dixie, I am SO happy for you re: the headaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I love meatloaf, too.  I just took out hamburger for tomorrow...think I'll making that.  ;)

I'm glad this thread is helpful--I know that I'm greatly encouraged by everyone posting on it.   :-*

Off to a funeral...overseeing the food.  ::)  Funny.  :D

Oh, I forgot.  I'm down a few more pounds...making about 7 pounds total in 2 1/2 weeks.  My face is looking thinner, too.  NO complaints about that.  :D
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: InEverything October 28, 2008, 01:58:41 PM
Meatloaf is the best!  I posted a recipe on WTM for meatloaf with saurkraut (?) in it.  So good!
Nothing new here really, just enjoying the benefits of eating better!

Here is another great recipe, you'll have to adapt any ingred. that don't work for you. It is okay for Maker's Diet.

Artichoke Chicken

Pound 4 or more chicken breasts flat and place in a greased casserole.  Mix together a can of drained artichokes, 1 c. of mayo, 1 c. of grated parmesan, sliced garlic cloves. Pour over the top and bake at 425 for about 40 minutes.   :) :)

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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT October 28, 2008, 03:10:59 PM
That recipe sounds good.  So much for no bread...made chicken and dumplings for a potluck, and ate mostly the dumplings ::) :P  I feel so bloated right now...oh yeah, and cake...we graduated from our Foster care classes.   :D

oh yeah, and i had chinese for lunch...i think I will fast tomorrow.  My sister was having her lunch there and i joined her since i was downtown.  the msg's tasted good at the time :P

God's mercies are new every morning!  Thank you God!
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: Dixiemom October 29, 2008, 03:00:19 AM
I went to a meeting last night and ate the dinner they served afterwards.  Chicken with a dressing coating, rice, cornbread, collards (yes, I am southern) and pumpkin cheesecake.

Well, after eating eating, I had an immediate reaction!  My eyes were watering, I felt stuffy and I got an instant pounding headache.  It was amazing--I had no idea it would effect me like that!  But, it sure tells me that I really need to be more serious about this diet.

So, back to it today! We are having pastor's conference at our church this week and I am bringing a yummy dessert and great breakfast dish.  I think I will be able to resist all of the flour/rice/sugar this time, because now know it really does effect me!! 

Lovin'myHoneyi-Please don't starve yourself!  I think that when I am hungry, that is when I start looking for ANYTHING, even if I know it is bad for me to fill me up.  Just try to start again today.  At least, that's what I am going to attempt to do. :D

Hope you all have a great day!
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: Mrs. Visionary October 29, 2008, 05:18:51 AM
I really love this thread. Candida recovery can be a long lonely road but it's a lot easier with the support and good humor found here.  LOL,I love Chrissyjoy's Hummus and garlic cure for chocolate cake indulgence! (Although, I know from experience that would not work for me). The Maker has me on a pretty short leash, big consequences for what I consider rather small transgressions. Whah, it's not "fair"!
I currently am on an antiyeast program offered by Dr. Humiston at the William Hitt Center. A series of herbal supplements, probiotics, and dietary change. Interestingly, the diet recommendations on this plan (based on the book "Feast without Yeast" by Bruce Semon and Lori Kornblum) are not carbohydrate restrictive, ie. the use of brown rice, beans etc. is encouraged.  Most simple sugars as well as fermented products are eliminated (as with most anti-Candida diets).
I was not able to handle the addition of starches in the quantities recommended. In fact I had significant worsening of fatigue, depression, and fibromyalgia symptoms (achy, stiff neck and shoulders), and brain fog after several days of eating these items. I did gain about 8 pounds over the course of 2 weeks of this, which for me was a positive as I had become a little too thin with no starch at all.
I went back to virtually zero carbs and after a day and a half started to get my energy and mental clarity back. Then I had 4 days in row of really good energy staying on the zero carbs which was unprecedented for me (at least for as long as I can recall).
Now, I am experimenting with adding a little bit of carb. I'll have 1/2 cup of beans or one small baked potato with dinner. So far, I have done this either every other night, or two nights in a row at the most. I seem to do okay with this, so far. My energy is not quite as good as it was completely carb free but still OK (that may be more due to sleep interruptions recently, I'm not sure).  I'm hoping to be able to tolerate more carbs in the future because it feels abnormal to eat only flesh, eggs, fats, and veggies for extended periods of time.
I hope this isn't too long and boring! But thanks anyway for humoring me and for all the previous contributions to this thread.
Mrs. Visionary!
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: YoopreMama October 29, 2008, 01:18:16 PM
Whoa, Dixie--what amazing, immediate feedback.  :o :o  Wouldn't it be nice if we always received such a reaction to eating things we shouldn't?
I went to a meeting last night and ate the dinner they served afterwards.  Chicken with a dressing coating, rice, cornbread, collards (yes, I am southern) and pumpkin cheesecake.

Well, after eating eating, I had an immediate reaction!  My eyes were watering, I felt stuffy and I got an instant pounding headache.  It was amazing--I had no idea it would effect me like that!  But, it sure tells me that I really need to be more serious about this diet...

Mrs.Visionary...you spoke so well...
Candida recovery can be a long lonely road but it's a lot easier with the support and good humor found here.
I'm glad you shared your experiences with us.  :)  Your plan is very interesting to me...as I mentioned before, I am keeping beans, seed grains and a few other odd things...assuming it's not that detrimental.  I hope you stick around, and keep sharing.  ;)  

I'm still off the fruit, sugars, dairy, and breads, cereals, etc.  Still have the occasional red potato, brown rice, blue corn chips, millet or quinoa. Still "enjoying" coconut milk w/ blueberries, stevia, cinnamon and butter from time to time...lots of eggs...meat...more veggies.

Have to reorder CLO, EVCO, and more Vitamin C.  She has about 4,00 mg (I think) mentioned, daily, and I'm no where NEAR that.  I think that would lend itself to loose bowels.  ???  Taking at least 4 cloves of garlic/day and about 4 T. EVCO.  Thinking about adding Pau D'Arco (pronounced peDARKo, apparently), and/or my Candex supplement (enzymes that supposedly eat away the candida cell membrane).  Have olive leaf, too...???

I'm just not feeling too much detox.   :-\   The skin is my only real symptom and it's OK...used some antifungal ointment to keep it at bay last night.   :-[  I was a little lightheaded today, but that was about it.  Feeling good, overall, though.

Not sure what I'm dropping this Friday...more of the same I guess.  ???

Where's AM25?!
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: YoopreMama October 30, 2008, 10:29:08 AM
Some new menu items ;D:

--Black Angus Roast Beef from the deli
--BLT "salad"
--Taco salad

The Candex is a bit tricky to take...2 hours after dinner w/ water (essentially, bedtime, if you don't eat after dinner), and 1 hour before breakfast.  I think I'll keep it and some water on my headboard.

Have to say this extra energy is nice.  I am getting many unfinished projects done, not really feeling like I have to nap, and my thinking is still clearer.  Sometimes, I feel a bit bored.   :o

Off to check out Bea's Yahoo! group...

Praying for you all...


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: amazonmama2five October 30, 2008, 02:12:37 PM
Where's AM25?!

I'm here for a while!  I have been so busy for the last 10 days!  We are not doing so well in the diet area.  :-[  I am running out of nearly everything in my supplement basket.  So sad.  I feel that I do better when I actually have (and take) the supps because the desire to "cheat" is null when I think of the $$ I spent!  My daughters are wonderful cooks and were so good about helping the first week/10 days.  Then they had some exams come up in seminary and I took over.  I have a hard time cooking for the family and eating something different.  :-[  I hope to be able to get back on the band wagon and keep on persevering or rather persecuting this yeast!  :D
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT October 30, 2008, 02:29:30 PM
Well, I didn't fast until today and don't really STARVE myself.  I ate three grapes at 2pm and some popcorn at 3pm and then Taco Bell (one bean soft taco) at 6pm.  That's all so far, but I am getting snacky and maybe I will make an egg with cheese.  okay, good start for the rest of this week and really enjoying the positive effect on my skin (roseacea).
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: mommyjen October 31, 2008, 03:39:39 PM
We had the best dinner tonight (YUM!) and it was totally following Bee's diet. Chicken patties fried in coconut oil and mashed turnips both smothered in gravy and all hm. Totally high fat, mod. protein, and low carb. We all feel so satisfied. This was my first time cooking turnips. They were delicious with lots of butter and salt and only 9 carbs for a large turnip! 4 turnips fed us all five of us and then some. Everyone loved them!

We had started doing coconut oil but were having die off in the form of headaches, nasuea, flu like symptoms. DH almost threw up this am! (he also started taking a multi vitamin so that could of upset his tummy too.?) So we are backing off a bit and just staying with just the diet for a bit longer still. Doing the full 4,000 of vit. c (no diahrrea) and were both doing multi's too. Had a cup of P'au Darko as this is part of the diet and can be taken from the beginning. We felt totaly terrible. Like we had the flu, so we won't be doing that again anytime soon!

XXX,
Jenny
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: YoopreMama November 01, 2008, 12:17:46 AM
Welcome back, AM25!   ;D  I do think running low on supplements (fats, esp.) does leave us prone to temptation.   Undecided  I seem to want more food when I don't have enough EVCO or CLO.  That being said, I did have a planned cheat last night-- my 1st in 3 weeks...I had dairy and sugar in the form of sour cram milk and Hedy's Flourless Choc. cake and Floydian's Choc. Angel Pie.  YUM!  Skin is itching a bit, after being mostly cleared up and my throat was sore briefly after my cheat.  Curious to see how today goes.  Packing away the cake in the freezer for DH's lunches, and sharing the last 2 pieces of pie w/ others today. 

I am down 8 pounds in the 3 weeks.  I'm at my lowest weight since college...even lower than while on the MC...I'm approaching my high school weight, only it is a BIT differently distributed from my athletic form back then.   ::) ;)

I'm certainly considering Schulze's formulas #1 and #2 after seeing the successes posted.  This is HARD to do long term and of course, if there's a quicker "fix", I'm all for it...not so I can eat "bad" things,as I rather like the benefits of eating like this, but I am not sure how long I can realistically do this.  Speeding up the "assassination" would be nice.  :D  I miss good milk/yogurt and good bread.

Lovin'--What good news about your skin!  I hope you can settle into some kind of regular eating here...fasting leaves me so prone to binging.   :-[  WTG  on the good start!

Jenny--My inventive pal...LOL...I keep forgetting to buy turnips.  They're not exactly on my regular list.  :D    Your dinner sounds yummy.  What's "hm", BTW?

I'm wondering if my CO is not the right kind for giving me die-off b/c I'm just not seeing it.  I'm not eating much of the blueberries/coconut milk/millet/quinoa/blue corn?  Maybe I should check what kind it is and cut those things back...I should be more miserable?  ???

I just bought more Vitamin C--1,000 mg, buffered/sustained release.  I think I need more (not at 4,000) and its "effect" on regularity.   ::)
We had the best dinner tonight (YUM!) and it was totally following Bee's diet. Chicken patties fried in coconut oil and mashed turnips both smothered in gravy and all hm. Totally high fat, mod. protein, and low carb. We all feel so satisfied. This was my first time cooking turnips. They were delicious with lots of butter and salt and only 9 carbs for a large turnip! 4 turnips fed us all five of us and then some. Everyone loved them!

We had started doing coconut oil but we're having die off in the form of headaches, nausea, flu like symptoms. DH almost threw up this am! (he also started taking a multi vitamin so that could of upset his tummy too?) So we are backing off a bit and just staying with just the diet for a bit longer still. Doing the full 4,000 of vit. c (no diarrhea) and were both doing multi's too. Had a cup of Pau D'arco as this is part of the diet and can be taken from the beginning. We felt totally terrible. Like we had the flu, so we won't be doing that again anytime soon!

Have a good weekend all!   :-*
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT November 01, 2008, 03:56:27 AM
Wow, Yooper, you were up early!  I am not sure what today will bring after yesterdays "planned" binge on candy.  At least I knew it was coming.  The last time we were on the Maker's diet I made my boys wait until After the forty days to eat their candy.  This year they went trick or treating for canned goods for the food baskets at school.  I think they still got some but not much at all compared to previous holidays. 

You all are still talking about stuff I am not aware of such as vit. c at 4000mg and other supplements so I am going back right now to read the beginning.  I will see how far I get  ???

I love turnips. ;D
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: YoopreMama November 01, 2008, 11:59:25 PM
Yeah, I'm up early again.  ::)  I love naps.  ;D

Yesterday brought me nausea and a headache from my planned binge.  :P  I expect it will continue today since I partook of leftover dessert.  I simply cannot have that stuff in the house right now.  :-X

Re: the Vitamin C...that's from Bea's page...on some supplement link.  I was at 3,000 mg yesterday.  Will go for 4,000 today.  Interesting stuff, that Vitamin C.  It's gotten so "passe", that I forget it's amazing benefits (esp. w/ cancer).  Need to order more CO and CLO and vitamins...have lots of garlic. 

Good for you for reading to get caught up on our supplement chit-chat.  ;)  Need to add turnips to my list.  Root vegetables are a staple up here..should be plenteous.
Wow, Yooper, you were up early!  I am not sure what today will bring after yesterdays "planned" binge on candy...

You all are still talking about stuff I am not aware of such as vit. c at 4000mg and other supplements so I am going back right now to read the beginning.  I will see how far I get  ???

I love turnips. ;D
Back on track today.  Hope it doesn't take long to get this out of my system.  Water, water, water...I should post that info about lemon that was recently quoted...off to find it...

Here it is:
...
Why the lemon works so well

On page 19 of A.F. Beddoe's book “Biological Ionization in Human Nutrition,” he states that: The  purpose of the lemon is to:

a) provide a natural strengthening agent to the liver enzymes when they are too dilute.

b) The liver can make more enzymes out of fresh lemon juice than any other food element.

c) The lemon helps fix oxygen and calciums in the liver because it regulates blood carbohydrate levels which affect the blood oxygen levels.”
I could otherwise not drink water, it tasted horrible and would come right back up still cold. :P   My children would fill up a quart jar ( I drank two or three quarts a day)  with water and add the juice of half a lemon, it tasted so good to me and help me drink more water... 
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: Mrs. Visionary November 02, 2008, 04:25:19 AM
only 9 carbs for a large turnip! Everyone loved them!

Wow, I didn't realize turnips are so unstarchy! And really? The children loved them?  Maybe I'll try an experiment. Heh Heh Heh. ;)
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: mommyjen November 02, 2008, 09:31:39 PM
Were are experiencing major die off, but hanging in there. And I thought we were pretty healthy!  ::) We feel weak, tired. It was hard to hold the baby today my muscles were so weak. We decided to add more allowed grains back in but it hasn't made a huge difference re: die off. Doing lot of baking soda baths to get the toxins to go through my skin and not my breast milk. I'm ordering Epsom salts from my coop and we'll be using those for our baths instead for the same reason and to help relieve muscle aches and some other good benefits. We are still mostly off sugar, fruit, and dairy. These are the things that are supposed to be the most important to omit from the diet to overcome  candida. I'm ordering vanilla stevia from my coop too. That will be a treat we'll look forward too! Yummy in Swiss decaffeinated coffee,  ;D

We totally feel like we are fasting (physically) though we eat all the time! Hubby is having some really weird die off. A strange rash with puss between his toes. Weird. I know the Candida flare and get worse before  they get better. Their fighting for their lives. lol. Hoping we feel better soon. Enemas are supposed to be good esp. in the beginning to minimize die off, but I've never done one before. It sure sounds like it would bring a lot of relief though. By the time I pull that together we'll probably be over the worst of it.

As soon as we are feeling better we will begin the first and milder anti-fungals recommended: coconut oil and pau darco tea.

The good/great news is that hubby's breath is so sweet since being off sugar and I've lost 7 pounds since I began a few weeks ago!

Hang in there Yooper. Sorry your feeling so crummy. I was beginning to wonder if you didn't have candida, but after your reaction it sure seems like you do. We have a planned cheat the end of November. We're going to have cake at a friends wedding. :)  Is Dr. Schultz stuff okay for nursing? I'll have to check those products out.  I'm thinking about doing the nystatin route. HM: homemade. What kind of coconut oil are you using...is it refined? hmmm.

Visionary mom, yes our kids really did like the mashed turnips! They were very mild in flavor.

BTW, Bee's egg drink is awesome and so yummy if you cut the water down to 1 cup and steep 2 bags of chai tea in it (boiled together so it's really strong) before adding it to the blender full of eggs, etc. Really good. I'd like to try coffee instead too!

:-*
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: pljammie November 03, 2008, 03:19:46 AM
Ok...jumping in and starting the diet today.  I feel pretty icky after camping for the weekend and eating all sorts of junk.  Wish me luck!

Jammie
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: mommyjen November 03, 2008, 04:02:29 AM
Ok...jumping in and starting the diet today.  I feel pretty icky after camping for the weekend and eating all sorts of junk.  Wish me luck!

Jammie

That's great! Keep us posted when you can. Do you have any candida symptoms?

Praying for ya,
Jenny
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: pljammie November 03, 2008, 05:00:42 AM
"Start eliminating some A. Sugars that feed candida (below), and at the same time start to increase good fats, i.e. butter, coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil, and protein (if your intake was quite low), Do not increase proteins more than you increase good fats – try to keep a balance of 20% protein to 60% fat. If your protein intake was high you might need to lower it temporarily until you can increase your fats enough. If there are not enough fats in ratio to proteins it will cause constipation. If you increase protein without good fats you can also get sick, including an upset stomach. It is more important to get your fat ratios up to recommended levels than to increase protein too fast. Keeping the correct ratios of fats to proteins will become more important as you lower your carbs."

This is what I'm doing this week.  So far I have lots of candida symptoms, which I've assumed were due to allergies...now I'm thinking the allergies are due to candida.  I have joint pain in left thumb, moderate to severe eczema, itchy skin and ears, foggy thinking, tired a lot, food allergies, etc.   
Jammie
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: YoopreMama November 03, 2008, 05:53:26 AM
Welcome, Jammie!  I'll be detoxing with you this week.  :D

I look forward to replying more in depth, Jenny...always good stuff in your posts...

Suffice it to say I'm back "on" the program and adding a few things...Pau D'Arco...yellow dock...considering olive leaf...and the probiotics...

I made my egg drink w/ egg nog tea (Bigelow's seasonal line).  I think I'd like it more had I not enjoyed dessert this weekend.   :-\

Ordering more CO, CLO, vitamins and C...making sure the CO is unrefined.   >:(

Baby calls!
ETA:  I sure do have yeast problems, Jenny!  :D  I'm a bit short-tempered, baby's been a bit fussy.  My skin is flaring up after being mostly clear.   I'm also a little tired.  And you know what?  I didn't even enjoy the milk much at all.   :'( 

Keep up the good work, Jenny!
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT November 03, 2008, 07:21:50 AM
Okay, I read the first post...thank you Yooper for putting it together...HOW DO YOU DO IT???

I thought the Maker's Diet was difficult!  At least I was able to have raw milk and raw milk cheese etc.  I was able to have fruits and some honey each day...this BEE diet is CRAZY ;D

So, now that I have let you know what think, I want to say congratulations to those of you who are able to do even some of this!  I think there is a water cleanse around here somewhere! ::)  That might be more my speed after reading post #1 :-X :'( 

Okay, I will start again to do the Maker's Diet.  All the candy from Halloween is going to my husbands job...since he doesn't really care for it ;D ;D

I will drink 1 quart  :o of water a day if it kills me :D and only 1 T honey. :'( :'(  The problem is it runs right through me so I don't get any work done...keep running to the bathroom.  I need a toilet in my barn :o ;D

Well, I may have to eat later than the family tonight since we are off to a banquet for my son.  I'll let you know how I fared. 

and I hope I will be detoxing with you all later, too ;)
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: YoopreMama November 03, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
Weak and tired...I felt like that a month or so ago when I did YA for a week.  This detox has been so mild, I keep wondering if I'm failing the anti-yeast diet somehow.  We'll see how it goes w/ the Pau d'Arco and the "new" CO.  I also picked up a "better" CLO this time.  Read the thread on Vitamin C and a chapter on garlic from Practical Herbalism.  It's encouraging to read how they both work.

I forgot about baking soda baths...it's certainly cheaper than Epsom salts...ours keep going up.  They were $1.94 and now they're up to $2.36/4# bag.   >:(

I can do w/o sugar, fruit, and dairy.  It's the "good" grains and beans that are hard to pass up right now.  Hope the vanilla stevia helps--it does help us.  We've hardly touched our maple syrup... :o

The toe rash I've heard of before.  Diluted DSS or ACV will help w/ any itch and dry it up, in case you're looking to do something.  I'm thinking chapped lips are a symptom, too.  Had them, then they cleared; now they're back.   >:(

Drink lots of water--w/ lemon!!  I hope the worst of it passes soon...and you'll feel so good.  Remembering that it cycles helps.  Feel bad.  Feel better.  Feel bad.  Feel even better.   ;D

Yeah, people say enemas do help w/ the detox symptoms...esp. if things aren't "wide open" for stuff to flow through.   :o

Sweet breath and weight loss...ahhh...the BENEFITS of what we're doing.  THERE WILL BE EVEN BIGGER PAYOFFS, if we stick w/ it.   ;D

Planned "cheats" are what may make this program continue long-term.  I think it's a bit harder to get back on the horse, though, after a fall...just be warned.  I only "planned" a small piece of dessert...it led to a weekend of cheating.   ::)

Dr. Schulze while nursing?  I don't know, but I'm still thinking about it; waiting for some testimonials...;)

I have liquid Nystatin in my pantry...and olive leaf is supposed to be gentle.  I am taking those Candex enzymes to supposedly destroy candida by eating away at its cell membrane.

The 1st CO was NSI from Vita-cost...EV but I don't think unrefined.  I just ordered Nutiva...a big container.  And Vitamin C w/ rose hips...

Thanks for trying out that tea in the egg drink.  I was curious.  I have some left in the frig from this AM.  Guess I should drink it.   :P  How can it compare to Hedy and Floydian's desserts?   :'( :'( :'( ::) ::) ::) 
We are experiencing major die off, but hanging in there. And I thought we were pretty healthy!  ::) We feel weak, tired. It was hard to hold the baby today my muscles were so weak. We decided to add more allowed grains back in but it hasn't made a huge difference re: die off. Doing lot of baking soda baths to get the toxins to go through my skin and not my breast milk. I'm ordering Epsom salts from my coop and we'll be using those for our baths instead for the same reason and to help relieve muscle aches and some other good benefits. We are still mostly off sugar, fruit, and dairy. These are the things that are supposed to be the most important to omit from the diet to overcome  candida. I'm ordering vanilla stevia from my coop too. That will be a treat we'll look forward too! Yummy in Swiss decaffeinated coffee,  ;D

We totally feel like we are fasting (physically) though we eat all the time! Hubby is having some really weird die off. A strange rash with puss between his toes. Weird. I know the Candida flare and get worse before  they get better. Their fighting for their lives. lol. Hoping we feel better soon. Enemas are supposed to be good esp. in the beginning to minimize die off, but I've never done one before. It sure sounds like it would bring a lot of relief though. By the time I pull that together we'll probably be over the worst of it.

As soon as we are feeling better we will begin the first and milder anti-fungals recommended: coconut oil and pau darco tea.

The good/great news is that hubby's breath is so sweet since being off sugar and I've lost 7 pounds since I began a few weeks ago!

Hang in there Yooper. Sorry your feeling so crummy. I was beginning to wonder if you didn't have candida, but after your reaction it sure seems like you do. We have a planned cheat the end of November. We're going to have cake at a friends wedding. :)  Is Dr. Schultz stuff okay for nursing? I'll have to check those products out.  I'm thinking about doing the nystatin route. HM: homemade. What kind of coconut oil are you using...is it refined? hmmm.

BTW, Bee's egg drink is awesome and so yummy if you cut the water down to 1 cup and steep 2 bags of chai tea in it (boiled together so it's really strong) before adding it to the blender full of eggs, etc. Really good. I'd like to try coffee instead too!

Yeah, I know, Lovin'--it is a tough one.  But I think it's working.  And will work.  I should read her testimonials for inspiration...altho' her tone on the Yahoo! group is less than humble.  ::)

What you're planning sounds realistic for you and it's certainly no small thing to send candy away from your house!  :o  Start where you're at and move forward from there.  :-*

Off to try making potato latkes...and Italian chicken.   ;)
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: YoopreMama November 03, 2008, 02:23:55 PM
I thought I should mention that I'm going back on the plan like I started, except w/ a shorter period on each level.  So, instead of a week w/o sugar/fruit, then adding no dairy, I'm doing it for a day.  It's making the transition more manageable.

So...no sugar and fruit was "easy" today.  Yes.  I did have milk.  ::)  And potato latkes.  Mmmm.... :D

I was reading the site that makes Candex.  Interesting.  Here's the link:
http://www.pureessencelabs.com/candex.php

Hope you are all doing well... :-*
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: Whiterock November 03, 2008, 03:41:47 PM
Yooper,

How did you get the Nystatin? I thought it was by prescription only. If I could get it over the counter I'd be on it like a fat kid on a milk dud (or like me on a milk dud). (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/smilies/hmm.gif)(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/smilies/blush.gif)

If I could "quickly and easily" get the gut clear of yeast then the rest of the time spent torturing myself on a cleanse would be all about killing it off in the rest of my body. My recent attempt seemed to stall after the gut was clear. I just never could get rid of the last of the symptoms that were dealing with skin and a few other things. Then my willpower gave out and I started eating too many carbs. Then more symptoms returned and more and more until I eventually gave up.

WR
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: Dixiemom November 04, 2008, 12:39:45 AM
I am really having a hard time of this.  I follow the diet very well for a week and then, bang, I eat a piece of chocolate or something.  I don't go crazy, and I get back on it, but I can't understand why I keep doing this to myself.   :'(

I feel SO much better when I do it, I guess I just feel deprived.  It's hard to feel deprived when you are eating steak, but I really can't do that very often and most of the time its eggs, salad, chicken, salad, EVCO, salad, well, you know how it goes.  It's just not that interesting or exciting.  I have tried a lot of variations, but it is just not fun.

The good news is that I am not starving all of the time anymore. 

Yooper, you are doing such a great job! I think your idea for getting back on track sounds great.

WR--I understand how you are feeling.  It is so hard to be on a plan when there seems to be no end in sight.

Have a great day everyone!
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: pljammie November 04, 2008, 02:28:13 AM
I didn't do so well yesterday.  I misread the things not allowed and ate some fruit...actually fruit salad w/ sugar, and a banana, and some coffee with sweetened creamer  :o I totally avoided the movie size Junior Mints on my counter though...small victory for me! (now I must remember to throw them away...lol) So now I'm sitting her trying to decide what to eat for breakfast.   :-\  I fed hubby already (he had eggs) and sent him a good lunch.  I'm just not wanting eggs knowing how many I'm going to consume in the future.  Also, I am allergic to eggs (according to skin test) so maybe I shouldn't eat them??  I do have quail eggs so I can try that.  I dried up my cow and goat so I won't be tempted by cream and milk in the fridge...lol  I think I'll have cheese toast since those two luxuries are going away soon. ;D  I'll check in later...I'm not so good with self control...hopefully I can have a good report later. ;) 

Jammie
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: pljammie November 04, 2008, 02:43:29 AM
Another Turnip idea from my previous Candida Cleanse...lol

Dice the turnips and bake at 450 in stoneware.  Add LOTS of butter and some coconut oil.  Then add the large flakes of sea salt.  It gets kinda crispy on the outside and soft on the inside and is a real treat when you wish  you had a potato.  My kids even ate the "weird potatoes." 

Jammie
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: Mrs. Visionary November 04, 2008, 02:46:05 AM
I am really having a hard time of this.  I follow the diet very well for a week and then, bang, I eat a piece of chocolate or something.  I don't go crazy, and I get back on it, but I can't understand why I keep doing this to myself.   :'(

I feel SO much better when I do it, I guess I just feel deprived.  It's hard to feel deprived when you are eating steak, but I really can't do that very often and most of the time its eggs, salad, chicken, salad, EVCO, salad, well, you know how it goes.  It's just not that interesting or exciting.  I have tried a lot of variations, but it is just not fun.

The good news is that I am not starving all of the time anymore. 
Don't be to hard on yourself. You're actually doing well. The cravings generally decrease over time. The yeast actually trick your brain/body into craving the substances it thrives on. Chocolate is a big one. Chocolate is fermented during its processing and per some folks that treat candida, yeast thrive on fermented products. This is a controversial subject. But I think it is worth looking at. I recently read the book "Feast without Yeast" which talks about fermented foods and yeast. In this book, chocolate is in the top list of things to avoid.

I know it doesn't seem fair!....Praying that this challenge will become more fun for you and that success will become a driving force for perseverence.

I really think as you begin to feel healthier that the changes won't feel like such a drag.
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: InEverything November 04, 2008, 05:47:19 AM
Hello, hunting season has wrecked all of my best intentions.  I am with you RunAmokFarm (CAD thread)!!  I will be processing the last of the meat tomorrow.  My kitchen is a mess!  I have only been able to eat what is convenient.  I will be cutting out more carbs as soon as life normalizes (like it ever does  ;) :D)  
I am not whining, really,   :) :) I have grown to be thankful for hunting season.
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: YoopreMama November 04, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
WR--Bea's Yahoo! group has a discussion on this...I think there's some strategy to get it?  I have it due to a family member's thrush.  You would like some, huh?   ;D  I wonder if you can get some on eBay?  ???  :D  I'm sorry things got so discouraging for you.   :'(  It IS hard to get back on after "cheating".   :-\

Yooper,

How did you get the Nystatin? I thought it was by prescription only. If I could get it over the counter I'd be on it like a fat kid on a milk dud (or like me on a milk dud). (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/smilies/hmm.gif)(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/smilies/blush.gif)

If I could "quickly and easily" get the gut clear of yeast then the rest of the time spent torturing myself on a cleanse would be all about killing it off in the rest of my body. My recent attempt seemed to stall after the gut was clear. I just never could get rid of the last of the symptoms that were dealing with skin and a few other things. Then my willpower gave out and I started eating too many carbs. Then more symptoms returned and more and more until I eventually gave up.
Dixie--I know the deprived feeling.   :-\  I'm trying to just not pay attention to the food, and making sure that there isn't anything cheat-worthy in the house.  Hard, I know, w/ other family members... ::)  That was the main thing someone posted--it gets BORING.   >:(  I'm glad that 1) you're not starving; 2) that the headaches have diminished and 3) some weight came off.   ;D ;D
I am really having a hard time of this.  I follow the diet very well for a week and then, bang, I eat a piece of chocolate or something.  I don't go crazy, and I get back on it, but I can't understand why I keep doing this to myself.   :'(

I feel SO much better when I do it, I guess I just feel deprived.  It's hard to feel deprived when you are eating steak, but I really can't do that very often and most of the time its eggs, salad, chicken, salad, EVCO, salad, well, you know how it goes.  It's just not that interesting or exciting.  I have tried a lot of variations, but it is just not fun.

The good news is that I am not starving all of the time anymore. 

Yooper, you are doing such a great job! I think your idea for getting back on track sounds great.

WR--I understand how you are feeling.  It is so hard to be on a plan when there seems to be no end in sight.
Jammie--Take every victory you can!  Junior Mints are a hard one to pass up, and a mistake made in ignorance?  Brush it off.  ;)  You won a bigger battle avoiding the candy than the minor set-back w/ the fruit/creamer.   ;D  As far as eggs..that would be hard to do w/o...glad you can have quail...and re: self-control?  Well, that's a fruit of the Spirit, and I'll pray He gives you a full-measure of it!   :-*
I didn't do so well yesterday.  I misread the things not allowed and ate some fruit...actually fruit salad w/ sugar, and a banana, and some coffee with sweetened creamer  :o I totally avoided the movie size Junior Mints on my counter though...small victory for me! (now I must remember to throw them away...lol) So now I'm sitting her trying to decide what to eat for breakfast.   :-\  I fed hubby already (he had eggs) and sent him a good lunch.  I'm just not wanting eggs knowing how many I'm going to consume in the future.  Also, I am allergic to eggs (according to skin test) so maybe I shouldn't eat them??  I do have quail eggs so I can try that.  I dried up my cow and goat so I won't be tempted by cream and milk in the fridge...lol  I think I'll have cheese toast since those two luxuries are going away soon. ;D  I'll check in later...I'm not so good with self control...hopefully I can have a good report later. ;) 

Mrs.V--I'm so glad to have you cheering us all on here!   :-* It's good to know that the cravings will decrease over time; it's been doing that for me...it gives me hope to know they'll continue.  Has it been almost a month of doing this??   :o  So my chocolate binge wasn't so hot an idea, huh?   :-[  ::)  :D  Yes, praying that success will drive us on...all this garlic I'm consuming MUST be doing SOMETHING!  I'm going to stay focused on all the good things I'm doing, vs. the cheats...The supplements are doing "things"...I know they are...AND I feel so down and tired after cheating...I so miss my energy and "up" mood (I bet some other people do, too).  ::)
Don't be to hard on yourself. You're actually doing well. The cravings generally decrease over time. The yeast actually trick your brain/body into craving the substances it thrives on. Chocolate is a big one. Chocolate is fermented during its processing and per some folks that treat candida, yeast thrive on fermented products. This is a controversial subject. But I think it is worth looking at. I recently read the book "Feast without Yeast" which talks about fermented foods and yeast. In this book, chocolate is in the top list of things to avoid.

I know it doesn't seem fair!....Praying that this challenge will become more fun for you and that success will become a driving force for perseverance.

I really think as you begin to feel healthier that the changes won't feel like such a drag.

IE--I'm sorry this has been a busy time for you and thus, affected your eating.  :(  A good reminder for me of what the upcoming holidays can bring...
Hello, hunting season has wrecked all of my best intentions.  I am with you RunAmokFarm (CAD thread)!!  I will be processing the last of the meat tomorrow.  My kitchen is a mess!  I have only been able to eat what is convenient.  I will be cutting out more carbs as soon as life normalizes (like it ever does  ;) :D)  
I am not whining, really,   :) :) I have grown to be thankful for hunting season.
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: pljammie November 04, 2008, 03:41:11 PM
I want sugar....I really, really want something sweet....I Love sugar. 

Oh sorry, I got a little carried away.  I did have two more small victories..well actually they were pretty big.   I resisted cool whip (I forgot it was in the fridge) and there was a Little Debbie SWISS CAKE ROLL in my purse when I got to 4-H...some EVIL child must have put it there. ;D

Hubby is no fun. He's on the diet with me and doesn't even miss sugar.  Of course he wasn't addicted like me. :-[  I want him to be miserable too...LOL

Last time I did this diet I started making "sweet" things with splenda and stevia so I'm not doing that this time as I think it made my cravings for sweet things worse.  Just going to drink some more water and not think about cool whip, junior mints, or swiss cake rolls!

Jammie

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: Jemima November 05, 2008, 08:38:20 AM
Jammie, are you allowing blueberries (even on occasion)?  Those really helped me (for the 1 little week that I did this  :-[ ) when I just felt like I needed something sweet.  My big thing was something cold and fresh, too - FRUIT! That was what I really wanted.  Anyway, putting a handful of frozen blueberries in a little bowl, and eating them slowly w/a spoon while reading, or on the computer, or something, really made it feel like a treat for me.

But all of you - you're doing so awesome!! Keep it up! (I cheer from the sidelines, while I'm here snitching cookie dough ::) ) I really envy you guys who've made it as far as you have.

It's NOT worth it to cheat, if you possibly can do it. That's what did me in.  I'm still trying to get back to just a simple "no sugar" diet.  Uggh.  So hang in there ladies, it's so worth it!
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: mommyjen November 05, 2008, 11:19:26 AM
Here's an interesting site that has a list of proven natural remedies for yeast.
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/yeastinfectiontreatment.html

The Recommended Candida Diet or Yeast Infection Diet. It allows some more foods than Bee's!!!
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/candidadiet.html

How Enzymes kill yeast (Candex and a cheaper alternative!):
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/enzymesforyeast.html

Here's a link to that cheaper alternative...
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Candida-Yeast-Management/pd_section-pr#ProductReviews

I'm still trying to figure this yeast thing out and had some time today to do some more research.

Thanks Yooper for the Candex info. that got me going. It's a very interesting/promising product!

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: YoopreMama November 05, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
Those blueberries really did help.  I see I'm on them more after cheating.   ::)  Thanks for checking in, Jemima!   :-*  You're right; it is SO not worth it to cheat.   :(
Jammie, are you allowing blueberries (even on occasion)?  Those really helped me (for the 1 little week that I did this  :-[ ) when I just felt like I needed something sweet.  My big thing was something cold and fresh, too - FRUIT! That was what I really wanted.  Anyway, putting a handful of frozen blueberries in a little bowl, and eating them slowly w/a spoon while reading, or on the computer, or something, really made it feel like a treat for me.

But all of you - you're doing so awesome!! Keep it up! (I cheer from the sidelines, while I'm here snitching cookie dough ::) ) I really envy you guys who've made it as far as you have.

It's NOT worth it to cheat, if you possibly can do it. That's what did me in.  I'm still trying to get back to just a simple "no sugar" diet.  Uggh.  So hang in there ladies, it's so worth it!
Those are great victories!  Way to go!   8)  I'm doing the liquid stevia and it helps...but I think I'm cheating on "good" grains too much.   :-\  An un-open ended program is LOOKING really good right now (i.e., a 4 week plan).  I'm also trying to figure out how "bad" I must have it...a few years of colon cleansing w/ Herbal Fiberblend...1.5 years of being GF...the MC...liver flush...I don't know...think that helped?  My skin is doing well... ???  If it's any consolation, my dh is NOT on the plan and brings home candy bars.   ::)
...I did have two more small victories..well actually they were pretty big.   I resisted cool whip (I forgot it was in the fridge) and there was a Little Debbie SWISS CAKE ROLL in my purse when I got to 4-H...some EVIL child must have put it there. ;D

Hubby is no fun. He's on the diet with me and doesn't even miss sugar.  Of course he wasn't addicted like me. :-[  I want him to be miserable too...LOL

Last time I did this diet I started making "sweet" things with splenda and stevia so I'm not doing that this time as I think it made my cravings for sweet things worse.  Just going to drink some more water and not think about cool whip, junior mints, or swiss cake rolls!
Jenny--Thanks so much for your research...I appreciate your commitment to this!  I really like the alternative to Candex in price.  :o  Keep us posted on what you find/do.  ;D
Here's an interesting site that has a list of proven natural remedies for yeast.
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/yeastinfectiontreatment.html

The Recommended Candida Diet or Yeast Infection Diet. It allows some more foods than Bee's!!!
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/candidadiet.html

How Enzymes kill yeast (Candex and a cheaper alternative!):
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/enzymesforyeast.html

Here's a link to that cheaper alternative...
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Candida-Yeast-Management/pd_section-pr#ProductReviews

I'm still trying to figure this yeast thing out and had some time today to do some more research.

Thanks Yooper for the Candex info. that got me going. It's a very interesting/promising product!
I have not been on the fats as high as I should be these past few days (running out)...hope the new stuff arrives tomorrow.  I know it helps when I have CLO and CO in abundance.  Still doing the garlic...and Candex and aloe...and Vit. C...and Power Tonic...

Been sleeping well the past few nights--11 hours or so/night.  I think that helps...in fact, I'm off to bed early again.  Good night all!   ;D
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: pljammie November 07, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
I'm either having die off or have a virus.  I am so sick.  So far I have only eliminated sugar and fruit.  I've been taking 2 CLO per day and 6 EPO plus 2,000 mg. of vit. c per day....still eating carbs and other junk and not taking probiotics, garlic or coconut oil yet.  I was exhausted yesterday and then in the evening I felt a little sick to my stomach.  I went to bed and was terribly sick all night.  This morning and all day I've had diarrhea (sorry, tmi :-[).  I've been in bed all day and my stomach is still upset.  I have been taking probiotics like crazy thinking it would help with a virus, but if it's die off would that make it worse?  I just ate a little chicken noodle soup, some saltines and sugar free ginger ale.

I'm going to look up die off reactions, but I have a hard time believing I'd have such severe reaction this soon with so few changes thus far.

Jammie
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: mommyjen November 07, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Jammie, I went through the same thing...only by cutting out sugar, fruits, and dairy! It was hard core. Night sweats, muscle weakess, felt like I was running against the wind in everything I did. Really freaky stuff. It will get better very soon!

 "This diet is simply made up of known foods that will starve the fungus and has been used by hundreds of people with great success. I must warn you that the first few days you may have flu like symptoms as the candida parasite begins to die. Fungi are living things and of course do not like to die. They may emit toxins into your body, making your symptoms get worse instead of better at first for the first few days. Make sure you eat plenty of fresh vegetables preferably raw on this yeast infection diet. This is very important on the candida diet because vegetables absorb fungal poisons (mycotoxins) and carry them out of the body."

http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/candidadiet.html


Bee says...
"You may not realize it but you may have become addicted to foods that feed candida or that are damaging to your body. Just as a drug addict suffers withdrawal symptoms when the drug is withdrawn, people experience discomfort when they lose access to a particular food. It is also a known fact that the food industry purposely adds substances to foods to make you addicted to them. Therefore you may experience withdrawal symptoms when many foods you normally consume are removed. As soon as you stop eating these foods changes begin to occur in all of the body's systems. Some symptoms may occur within a few hours of not eating a regular food, while other symptoms may occur within days. Withdrawal symptoms can even make you feel as if you are starving, when you actually aren't. You will find your cravings will increase the longer you prolong eliminating certain foods, i.e. sugars, high carb foods, alcohol, grains, etc. If you indulge by eating them they appear to make you feel better for a time, but that won't last. Soon you will experience increased candida overgrowth symptoms from such indulgences...Die-off Symptoms, Withdrawal Symptoms and Food Cravings can also be alleviated by the following:

•Vitamin C - take 4,000 mgs when symptoms first start to appear, and take 1,000 mgs every hour until symptoms subside or bowel tolerance is reached, i.e. loose stools or diarrhea. When you reach bowel tolerance take less vitamin C each hour until you reach bowel tolerance again, and so on. Vitamin C helps the body detoxify since it is a powerful antioxidant.
•Ensure you are taking enough calcium/magnesium according to the Essential Supplements list. It helps minimize aches and pains.
•Take baths with Epsom salts, or 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide. Baths help draw toxins out through the skin which helps minimize symptoms. Add two cups, or 500 grams, of Epsom salts to your bath. Soak for 15-20 minutes. Use 1/2 cup of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide in 1/2 a bathtub of very warm water. Soak in the tub until you sweat.
•Drink 4 cups of Pau D'Arco tea per day. It is a powerful antioxidant and it will help your body detoxify.
•Clove tea. Cloves are one of the most powerful antioxidant there is. Only buy spices that are organic or certified organic at the health store because commercial spices are all irradiated.
Clove Tea
•Boil 4-1/2 cups of water.
•Take it off the heat
•Add two level teaspoons of ground cloves.
•Let it steep for 20 minutes. Strain well, and drink 4 1/2 cups hot or cold every day or when needed.
•Whole cloves are more effective — put them in a heavy plastic bag and pulverize them with a hammer. Use 1 1/2 teaspoons in 4 1/2 cups of water.
Other Simple Things to Help You
•For relaxation do this for 15 minutes every day. Lie on the floor with your feet on a chair so your thighs are at a right angle to the seat of the chair and the calves of your legs are lying across the seat of the chair. It is as simple as that.
•Do dry skin brushing which will stimulate the liver and adrenal glands, increasing their ability to handle the toxins — see the Candida Group Dry Skin Brushing File.
•Thump your thymus to stimulate it. Using your knuckles thump gently but firmly on your middle of your breastbone. Thump about 10 times in a row. Do this several times a day to wake up your thymus which is very important part of the immune system. 

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help1.php
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: YoopreMama November 07, 2008, 02:51:45 PM
Jammie, I am sorry for how badly you feel.   :'(  I see that Jenny has posted some very helpful stuff on die-off and ways to deal w/ it.   :-*

I am feeling crummy myself...tired this week...cranky...and cheating (oatmeal, milk, cold cereal) a bit.  I'm out of fats  >:(, and Vita-cost is taking FOREVER to deliver them to me.  I'll have to make sure I order earlier next time.  I think the cravings are worse when one is not getting enough fat. 

I'm either having die off or have a virus.  I am so sick. ...
That's why I like the idea of Candex...the die-off is supposed to be much less...

Good reminders for me:  Eat more fresh, raw veggies; do the Vitamin C thing; drink more Pau d'Arco; maybe clove tea?  I'm not doing to do the thymus thumping...my boy bounces me enough there when he's the pouch!
"... Fungi are living things and of course do not like to die. They may emit toxins into your body, making your symptoms get worse instead of better at first for the first few days. [/b] Make sure you eat plenty of fresh vegetables preferably raw on this yeast infection diet. This is very important on the candida diet because vegetables absorb fungal poisons (mycotoxins) and carry them out of the body."

" ...Die-off Symptoms, Withdrawal Symptoms and Food Cravings can also be alleviated by the following:

•Vitamin C - take 4,000 mgs when symptoms first start to appear, and take 1,000 mgs every hour until symptoms subside or bowel tolerance is reached, i.e. loose stools or diarrhea. When you reach bowel tolerance take less vitamin C each hour until you reach bowel tolerance again, and so on. Vitamin C helps the body detoxify since it is a powerful antioxidant.
•Ensure you are taking enough calcium/magnesium according to the Essential Supplements list. It helps minimize aches and pains.
•Drink 4 cups of Pau D'Arco tea per day. It is a powerful antioxidant and it will help your body detoxify.
•Clove tea. Cloves are one of the most powerful antioxidant there is. Only buy spices that are organic or certified organic at the health store because commercial spices are all irradiated.  
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: pljammie November 07, 2008, 03:31:03 PM
Thanks for all the helpful advice.  I'm about to take an epsom salt bath and then probably go to bed.  I did take some more vit. c which gives me 2,000 mg for today and will take more before bed.  Bee has lots of good info in her stuff.  Can I expect a repeat of the die off next week when I eliminate the breads and carbs? 

Thankfully, my mom was here today and took care of the children.

Jammie
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: pljammie November 08, 2008, 02:56:06 AM
Feeling MUCH better this morning.  Thanks for the encouragement to get through.

Jammie
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: Mrs. Visionary November 08, 2008, 04:25:56 AM
I think the cravings are worse when one is not getting enough fat. 

I really think that is true. I know I just feel so much healthier when I am getting plenty of the coconut oil.  The concentrated protein in the diet that I seem to require feels imbalanced unless I eat lots of fat.

Jammie, sorry about the icky symptoms. I have had several times in the past where the symptoms seemed so flu-like I didn't think it could just be die-off but in retrospect it was. Anyway, glad you're feeling better!

Best wishes to all....And keep up the prayers!

I'll just throw in this. It's something the Lord helped me with many years ago. I started praying everyday that He would make me want the foods that He wanted me to have and that He would make me feel happy and satisfied with that which He provided. At the same time I prayed that He would repel me from all wrong foods and all wrong substances and remove them from my pathway.  He blessed me with help in answering this prayer and over the years I have eaten quite healthfully (which is why it was such a shock to realize I had a Candida problem 2 years ago. ???) Oh well, I know He has His reasons for this experience and I am grateful that He is causing me to depend on Him more completely.
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: YoopreMama November 08, 2008, 05:03:01 AM
Jammie--I'm so glad you got through it!  YEA!!!!   ;D  And God bless your mom!

I caved and had "good" GF cornflakes and raw milk w/ blueberries and seeds...2 bowls.   ::)  Today has been better...I'm kind of trying to get along until MY SUPPLEMENTS ARRIVE!  It looks like they may not get here 'til Monday.  Maybe I can just eat sticks of butter... :D

I DID take 4,000 mg of C before bed (in addition to the 2-3,000 I usually take)...no ill effects (yet).  I think I'll take some more until I find that "tolerance" level she speaks of.   ::)

I am down another pound, making 9 in the past month.  This is getting a bit exciting... :o  I'm about 8 off of my HS graduation weight, which I always thought was unattainable after babies.  I just want to be healthy and able to do my work easily around the house (hauling babies and laundry baskets and the like).

Skin is doing really well...almost totally clear.  YEA!   8)

I want to post something I found on another thread [Fighting Candida w/o Sugar [Carb] Restrictions ]...thought it was encouraging from a different perspective:

For many, yeast overgrowth is a constant problem and dealing with it is a war. So let's look at this as a war. On the one side you've got the army of yeast, and on the other the good intestinal bacteria. If you've got a tremendous yeast overgrowth, that means lots of troops amassed on one side, and a few lonely holdouts on the other side. Additional yeast coming down the pipe doesn't affect anything because the ranks are full. There is no more room for them to put down roots, and no food for them to eat. Probiotics coming into the fray also are denied food or place to setup as the yeast are pillaging everything. So initially, the reinforcements getting sent down are pretty much cannon fodder in this war. (They do benefit the body by breaking down food, etc., so sometimes the effects felt are immediate and very wonderful, but they are not lasting, because they are not rooted and just pass out.)

Yeast Assassin is the secret weapon, coming in and napalming a bunch of yeast. Acidophilus comes in and inhibits reproduction and finally we are taking back some ground in this war. Follow it up with a good multistrain probiotic blend, and a foothold is gained. There will be additional troops coming in from both sides. Send more yeast down and the battle is prolonged. Send sugar down and you are primarily feeding the yeast. Keep sending down the Yeast Assassin, and the yeast are pushed back millimeter by millimeter. Keep sending down the acidophilus and they have a harder time counter attacking. Keep sending down the multistrain probiotics, and that captured ground is fortified and put to good use.

It is a war. Overthrowing the opportunistic government of the gut and restoring the rightful rulers is a long process. Figure 6-12 months of battle. Strict diet and use of the proper tools can shorten the time, and the opposite is also true. Sugars (including fruits) and yeast, and not using anti-yeast supplements and probiotics will also prolong the battle, and perhaps reverse any progress made. Antibiotics will almost assuredly cause reverses. They kill indiscriminately and with our diets, yeast repopulates the fastest. Figure 6 months to fight back the yeast and repopulate the gut after a course of antibiotics. (Also know that the immune system is especially weak right after a course of antibiotics and a regular regimen of bee propolis, vitamin C and a good multi will fight away a lot of potential problems.) This will restore order in the body, the immune system will be strong (it is amazing how much or our immunity is based in our gut), many hormone imbalances will be corrected, and all sorts of yeast related symptoms will disappear along the way. As they disappear, just remember that you're not done. You're recovering ground that was lost, some of it many, many years ago, but keep up the good fight and pursue it to the end. You will never kill off all the yeast. A small amount is normal and good. It just tends to get our of hand with our American diets and the oft uses of antibiotics.

Once you have restored order, just about anything can be eaten, in moderation. Wheat bread is great. Deserts are fine. Fresh fruits are yummy and good for you. Adding fermented foods to the diet as regular fare will help to maintain the health of your gut, and from there, your whole body. I use the book "The Yeast Syndrome" for much of my info, but we are also starting to get into "Nourishing Traditions". Both are quite good.

Oh and just a note. I used to struggle with sinus infections regularly - several times a year I'd be on antibiotic. I learned about this antibiotic/yeast/probiotic stuff about 10 years ago. I still have to battle sometimes, but I haven't been on antibiotic in 10 years, I get sick rarely, and it is much less severe and of shorter duration than in times past. Vitamin C, propolis, and saline solution will knock out a sinus infection in me before it really gets going. 

I would expect to see another die-off, yes, when you cut the breads and carbs.   :-\  Hopefully, not as vicious...and if so, the die-off stuff Jenny posted will help you through it.  Maybe you could go every other day of dropping stuff, too...or smaller and smaller amounts each day...vs. cold turkey.   :o 
...Can I expect a repeat of the die off next week when I eliminate the breads and carbs? 

Thankfully, my mom was here today and took care of the children.

Mrs.V--Thanks for the validation on the fats theory.  ;)  And prayer, yes...not the 1st thing I think to pray about, but important, nonetheless.  Your testimony sure spurs me on to draw near to the Lord on this matter!  He is our strength when we're weak...and this can be done though His might and power...I want to please Him in WHATEVER I eat or drink--for His glory!
...I know I just feel so much healthier when I am getting plenty of the coconut oil.  The concentrated protein in the diet that I seem to require feels imbalanced unless I eat lots of fat...

Best wishes to all....And keep up the prayers!

I'll just throw in this. It's something the Lord helped me with many years ago. I started praying everyday that He would make me want the foods that He wanted me to have and that He would make me feel happy and satisfied with that which He provided. At the same time I prayed that He would repel me from all wrong foods and all wrong substances and remove them from my pathway.  He blessed me with help in answering this prayer and over the years I have eaten quite healthfully (which is why it was such a shock to realize I had a Candida problem 2 years ago. ???) Oh well, I know He has His reasons for this experience and I am grateful that He is causing me to depend on Him more completely.
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT November 08, 2008, 04:42:52 PM
Mrs.V  thanks for the reminder to pray...and i forgot about self control (temperance) as fruit of the Spirit!  Well, off to read Galatians and Romans...to pray for wisdom and self-control, and to exercise.  Praying for you all.  Lovin'
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: YoopreMama November 08, 2008, 04:50:28 PM
Thank you for the prayers, Lovin'!   :-*

I think I'm going to try adding probiotics...as I would think that I should have room for them to colonize...???

Made guacamole twice this week--YUM!  And made a baked oatmeal for the kiddos...they loved it and I thought it looked like one big oatmeal cookie.  Mmm mmm...

Good night, all!
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: HappyWifey November 09, 2008, 01:55:58 PM
Is anyone here charting? I started charting my body temps 1 week ago, and I noticed something rather interesting. For the last two weeks my candida symptoms had been going away and my athletes foot was healing, it does this every month. Then yesterday, the last day of my period, my candida symptoms came back in full force, and the day before I had slight sympotms of candida. (those two days were of slight spotting, no real bleeding)

Has anyone else noticed this at all?
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: YoopreMama November 09, 2008, 03:50:13 PM
No charting here ::) (still nursing).   ;)  Interesting observations...anyone else see this?  ???

Just hanging in there 'til my fats get here.  Eating more avocados and pecans...eggs and butter to help.  Skin is starting itch a bit... >:(  Time to take more C and drink more Pau d'Arco...still haven't found that bowel tolerance...  :o :D

Enjoying sweet potatoes here and there...rediscovered some old recipes and a good Vegetarian cookbook.  Wondering about tofu?   :P  Anyone eat that stuff?  Is it even permitted?

A good friend was talking about salmon patties....mmm...have to get the recipe!
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: Whiterock November 09, 2008, 04:22:51 PM
I'm not doing a yeast diet right now, I can tell you that many women (including me) have noticed their symptoms flareup at the end of, or after, their period.

WR
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: 4myhoonie November 09, 2008, 04:28:47 PM
I'm not doing a yeast diet right now, I can tell you that many women (including me) have noticed their symptoms flareup at the end of, or after, their period.

WR

my flare up was always before (when i had PMS) and during.  not fun.
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: Whiterock November 10, 2008, 12:00:35 PM
I'm not doing a yeast diet right now, I can tell you that many women (including me) have noticed their symptoms flareup at the end of, or after, their period.

WR

my flare up was always before (when i had PMS) and during.  not fun.

Ooops, I meant to say during or after.

Personally, I have a flareup of certain symptoms right before and other (more localized) symptoms during and after.

WR
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: YoopreMama November 11, 2008, 08:12:30 AM
How does one go from 3 weeks of doing GREAT, to eating chocolate chips and dates after lunch?  Very easily deceptively.  :-\

It started off with that cake and pie...company coming--a treat...turned into a weekend of cheating.   ::)

Then supplements started running low. 

An innocent bowl of unsweetened oatmeal w/ milk happened... 

The next day it was GF cornflakes w/ milk and blueberries.   ::)

The next day it was cornflakes like that twice.   :-[

And so on...

Next went the chocolate chips into the cereal.   :o

Now, let's skip the cereal and cut straight to the chocolate chips!   :D

So.  In summary:

1.  I cheat; I'm grumpy later.

2.  I cheat; baby is not as happy.

3.  Baby not so happy; I'm even more unhappy and cheating seems more of a temptation.

Note:  There is no mail today, so one SHOULD have gone to the PO yesterday to get the supplements!   >:(

Going up the learning curb everyday here!   ;D

Big time die-off here I come. 



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: pljammie November 11, 2008, 09:10:03 AM
ROFLOL...cutting straight to chocolate chips...

I'm still hanging in there.  Modifying the diet a bit.  I really like dairy so I'm cutting out breads and grains today instead of dairy.  Tonight we are having chili.  After I got over the sick/die-off, I have had so much more energy and feel so much better.  I really think my skin and hair look healthier too. 


Jammie
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: InEverything November 11, 2008, 09:40:14 AM
Hello all-- not much to say really, just wanted to chat.  I do like what Yooper posted from Steve Tallent, I always like the moderate approach.  This is a process...Lord willing we will all see improvements over the years.  Then the wrinkles will come!!
So, just hug your babies and/or someone dear, and do the best you can today.  Pray for the veterans!
Personally, since my big fall off the wagon, I have been focusing more on proportions.  Doing partial fasts and day long fasts.  I feel so good when I fast!  I read in the candida thread that fasting kills the yeast.  Maybe if we eat only what our bodies and nursing babies (not in my case) require, there won't be enough left for the yeast?   ??? :)
I have to always keep a biblical perspective....the Lord doesn't speak of carbs, sugar, etc.  Just about gluttony.  Any thoughts on how this pertains to candida?
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: YoopreMama November 11, 2008, 10:23:00 AM
Oh, Jammie--hearing your results is cheering me on to scrub my teeth of the chocolate chips and run to get some garlic and vitamin C and Pau d'Arco!  :D  I'm so glad to hear about your improved energy and clear skin...those are my main two immediate benefits to following the plan...I should put that in my signature line..."My eczema cleared up on an anti-candida diet!" 

IE--Glad you wanted to chat w/ us!   ;D  It IS a process, and I've just about had it w/ the cheating.  I mean, come on, did I really enjoy those foods that much?  I am SO resolved to mount this attack again and win some battles...I am in this for the long haul.  Yeah, I think I was still getting ahead even w/ grains like millet and quinoa...in small proportions...baby takes a lot and so do I chasing the other 3.  How can the yeasties manage on what I've been eating when I follow the plan?

God does speak about honey in excess..I suspect, though, that they didn't have candida overgrowth back then like we do now.  Fat was a pretty high ranking thing for Him though--look at the sacrifices.  When I'm eating enough good fats...I'm just not craving this stuff, really.

Paging Jenny to help us w/ some words of encouragement...;D

Had a wonderful sirloin tip beef roast last night and this AM for breakfast...made a huge pot of Calico beans...mmm....
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: InEverything November 11, 2008, 10:39:30 AM
God does speak about honey in excess..I suspect, though, that they didn't have candida overgrowth back then like we do now.  Fat was a pretty high ranking thing for Him though--look at the sacrifices.  When I'm eating enough good fats...I'm just not craving this stuff, really.

Paging Jenny to help us w/ some words of encouragement...;D

Had a wonderful sirloin tip beef roast last night and this AM for breakfast...made a huge pot of Calico beans...mmm....

Yes, God does speak of honey in excess....this is another example of gluttony that I spoke of.  So, don't be too hard on yourself.  In the big scheme of things some slip ups shouldn't cause too much harm.  I agree about the fats... I think fats are a blessing!

The beans sound good.. I just put some bones in the oven to roast for soup tomorrow!
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: pljammie November 12, 2008, 03:57:50 AM
I'm having the Egg drink for breakfast this morning...it is weird.  No offensive, just odd.  I was thinking it would taste like eggnog, but the coconut oil is overpowering it so it's a little like a warm pina coloda...  I put the rest in the fridge to drink cold...I think it will be better that way.

I'm not craving bad foods yet, but then I've really only cut out sugar, fruits, and yesterday started the carbs.  I did feel a little queasy last night and immediately took Vit. C and probiotics...I feel better this morning.   

Jammie
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: HappyWifey November 12, 2008, 07:55:56 AM
So since I noticed the return of my symptoms a couple days ago I have continued to chart my symptoms, and... theyre still healing! I had one day that was mild symptoms, then one day with moderate-bad symptoms then one day of mild again, and then none (healing)! I am hoping that continues, in the previous months it would continually get worse and worse to the point where I was in pain from the athletes foot causing deep sores on my feet and my other bad symptom (one that would be tmi to say  :-X) would drive me CRAZY! For a week and a half or so, then they would both start to heal.... and then they would flare up again, now that I am charting I realize it totally has been going according to my cycle.

So the only thing I have been doing is praying, I have not eliminated or cut down on anything. When I first saw my sympoms come back I thought God wasn't healing me, and so I was really dissapointed and almost stopped praying about it, but then I thought ya know He's a God of miracles He can heal me! So I kept on praying and the fact that this month is a lot different is giving me hope!
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: pljammie November 14, 2008, 04:10:32 AM
The last 24 hours have been crazy with unplanned events and I had to eat fast food for lack of having things made ahead.  So today I'm back to the diet and tonight will be making some foods to take to a rabbit show that we'll be at all day tomorrow.  Planning ahead is definitely important on this diet. 

Jammie
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: YoopreMama November 14, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
Morning, Jammie!

Yeah, planning is important for when you're out.   :-\  Hope today goes better...rabbit's on the plan right?  :D
The last 24 hours have been crazy with unplanned events and I had to eat fast food for lack of having things made ahead.  So today I'm back to the diet and tonight will be making some foods to take to a rabbit show that we'll be at all day tomorrow.  Planning ahead is definitely important on this diet.

I'm BAACCK on the plan, too.  Finally got my fats yesterday...nausea and cramping in the night.

Will check in later with you all.  Happy Eating!  ;D
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: InEverything November 14, 2008, 10:06:35 AM
I am trying to up my fats again and I finally broke down and ordered some blue ice cod liver oil.  I am still enjoying partial day fasts.  I also finally got some good Vitamin C. 
I agree with Alaskaherbgirl that the yeast symptoms are related to my cycle/ovulation.  I am thinking this may be due to more progesterone at that time??? Overall though my symptoms have been better. :)  I will be praying that you will get yours resolved Alaskaherbgirl!
Have a good weekend ladies!
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: MommabyHisgrace November 14, 2008, 07:30:25 PM
I've been reading everyone's post over the last month or so and just wanted to say "good job, ladies!".  My family and I have been doing the diet for about 2 1/2 weeks now.  My family has had whooping cough and three of my children ended up with MRSA last year--lots of antibiotics and after a moderate case of eczema on my 3 year old dd I decided to put us all on the anti-candida diet.  There are eight of us and at times I feel overwhelmed with having to get some of our supplements down the little ones without any sweetener!  But just wanted to say that you all have encouraged me and given me ideas!  Everyone has had some slight flare up this week--but I'm encouraged because I feel like we are at least getting it out of our bodies!  I'm not planning on cutting back on the anti-fungals unless it gets real bad and prayerfully we will just continue to plug along!  Have a great weekend ladies! 
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: Lovin'myHoneyinVT November 15, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
and on that note, I quit!  I just love my chocolate and ice cream way too much! ;D

Maybe when I am homeless and on the streets I will try this again  :o ::) Yeah, I'll do it again someday, but I have to want it more.  God bless you ladies and I will check in to see how you are doing and will pray for your health problems.  Lovin'
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: 4myhoonie November 23, 2008, 08:22:00 AM
Then you start by adding vegetables not on the program. When you add
grains start with non-gluten grains such as brown rice, buckwheat,
millet, amaranth or quinoa and ensure they are soaked beforehand, or
they are cooked long periods of time to remove phytates that block
mineral absorption in the body, and enzymes that interfere with protein
digestion. Sugars and fruits aren't good for anyone's health. Even
healthy people shouldn't consume more than 2 servings of fruit per day,
and then they must get plenty of good fats along with them in order to
slow the release of fructose into the system. See more information
about fructose at Dr. Mercola's website: www.mercola.com

Bee


can someone explain this to me???  we are not supposed to eat fruit (as people)???  i don't think that when we were created, He was considering how much fat we were eating along with the fruit he put on the trees......maybe it is just since the fall of man.  any ideas?
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: Whiterock November 23, 2008, 09:14:45 AM
I think that the reason she is saying that about fruit is because of the high amounts of fructose in it. If you ingest more fructose than your body needs or can use at the time, then your body stores it as fat in your liver. Most, if not all, of the bad stuff we know about high fructose corn syrup's effect on the body are also true for too much fructose from fruit.

That's the reason why NT recommends you don't drink very much fruit juice --it has very little fiber, and no fat, to slow down the absorption of the fructose.

WR
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: pljammie November 23, 2008, 03:11:19 PM
Hi all,  Just wondering what you all are planning for Thanksgiving. 

I'm really starting to dislike Bee...lol.  I have cheated today.  I am drinking a diet cherry limeade from Sonic...yes, fake sugar, fake lime, and fake cherry also it likely includes HFCS.  I am off of wheat, white potatoes and corn.  I still am eating some gluten free grains (buckwheat crackers, rice, etc.)  I am also still eating dairy...really can't imagine how I won't starve when I finally give it up. 

My "treat" for thanksgiving is Turnip Gratin...I've never made it before but the pioneer woman sure made it look good.  http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2008/11/turnip-gratin/ (http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2008/11/turnip-gratin/) 

I'd like a sweet treat, but haven't found anything that looks good that can be made with stevia.  Any thoughts?
   
On a positive note, my eczema is some improved and I'm still having lots more energy than before.

Jammie
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: MommabyHisgrace November 25, 2008, 04:51:09 PM
I haven't read all of the posts here, so forgive me if it's here, but how long are you all doing this?  My ND and I came up with a plan--30 days on and 1 week off (not planning on going crazy or anything) but we will be doing this for 6 months.  We worked it out that we would be off for Thanksgiving :)!  We are going to have red potatoes (read somewhere that they were ok), turkey, gravy made with rice milk, persimmon pudding made with xylitol, and veggies! 

We've cut out dairy except for a few hard cheeses--don't have them often and I can find no other way to get the Candida Clear into my little ones without a small portion of yogurt (2 oz). 

Question--anyone using the flavored stevia(s)?  My health food store has a whole bunch of different flavors, but they are alcohol based--is that an immediate no-no?  :-\ 

We are all in some type of detox.  Two of the little ones just recently had a flare up of their eczema (not bad, though) and I've broken out all over my face, been nauseous, and headaches.  Overall it's not been really bad.  Still have more energy than I've had in almost 2 years and I've lost about 5-8lbs (I think). 

Anyway, looking forward to having our week off and would appreciate any comments about how we are going about all of this.

Have a great Thanksgiving!

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: pljammie November 29, 2008, 04:09:55 PM
I use the stevia in a glycerine base as well as the flavored stevia.  Bee says not to use glycerin or alcohol....However, I have had to alter Bee's plan slightly so that I don't starve to death. ;D  So *I* am thinking that my 5 drops of stevia in my unapproved coffee with unapproved cream with a slice of cheesecake sweetened with splenda are really not that big of a deal.  LOL

I read somewhere that you need to do the diet one month for every year that you have had symptoms.  I'm assuming mine were started with IV antibiotics at my 7 year old's birth, although I've had severe allergies for 20 years or more.
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: MommabyHisgrace November 30, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
I use the stevia in a glycerine base as well as the flavored stevia.  Bee says not to use glycerin or alcohol....However, I have had to alter Bee's plan slightly so that I don't starve to death. ;D  So *I* am thinking that my 5 drops of stevia in my unapproved coffee with unapproved cream with a slice of cheesecake sweetened with splenda are really not that big of a deal.  LOL

I read somewhere that you need to do the diet one month for every year that you have had symptoms.  I'm assuming mine were started with IV antibiotics at my 7 year old's birth, although I've had severe allergies for 20 years or more.
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Glad to hear that I'm not the only one doing the unapproved coffee/cream! :)  That stevia has made the unbearable, well, at least tolerable! 

We go back on the diet tomorrow full-force!  I'm actually glad that our off week is over.  I don't feel nearly as good as I did when I was off of the sugar.  I'm not sure I'll ever go back completely. 

It feels good to say that our first month is done and we're working on #2!  I've had yeast symptoms for as long as I can remember--6 months on the diet is probably a good place to start!
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: pljammie November 30, 2008, 05:52:13 PM
I'm going to *try* to cut out dairy this week.  Wish me luck! 

Jammie
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: pljammie December 01, 2008, 04:15:08 AM
I'm giving Bee's egg drink another try.  I made it with eggs, oils, and cinnamon and then added 1/4 t. peppermint oil (like you make candy with) and 12 drops of flavored stevia.  It is more tolerable this way.

Hope that helps someone.

Jammie
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: pljammie December 02, 2008, 04:39:09 PM
If you go to the files on Bee's yahoo group she has a recipe for buckwheat crackers.  She says they are a better cheat than sugar.  I made them and they are actually pretty yummy.  I wonder if she intended for me to eat the whole batch in one day?  Anyway, I used olive oil instead of what she calls for and they were super easy to make.  I think the sesame seeds did a lot for the flavor.  Anyway...if you gotta cheat this one is pretty good. 

Yesterday, I had another die off.  It was not severe like a few weeks ago, but not fun either.  I feel GREAT today and my eczema on my eyes is almost gone.  Yippee!  I'm using coconut oil on my eczema and it is really relieving the itches.  Off to take my supplements and head to bed.

Jammie
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: MommabyHisgrace December 19, 2008, 05:29:24 PM
Not sure if anyone is still doing this, but thought I would let you all know that we are ending month #2! ;D  The kids are handling things so well--they are getting their supplements down, not complaining nearly as much and on a whole are eating so much better than they ever have.

I have a question--I thought I was a getting some vaginal yeast die-off, but am now thinking that it's bacterial vaginosis.  I tried the garlic thing for 4 nights (symptoms were not as bad, but didn't completely go away).  I started some GSE 2 X a day and will try that for 7 days or so.  Any ideas? 

I've had a rough couple of weeks not feeling nearly as spunky, can't seem to keep my chiropractic adjustments, headaches, nausea--blah, blah, blah!!!

Anyway, that's it--planning on just plugging along.  DD with eczema is doing better, but did have a flare up yesterday after 2 small ginger snaps--poor thing!  You just want to reward them a little but then they pay! :(  Hoping to feel better soon!

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: Mrs. Visionary December 20, 2008, 03:45:20 AM
Wow MBHG, I am so impressed with you getting the whole family cleansing. I am hoping to do this with our precious kiddos too at some point.

For the female stuff, a warm water douche with 1-2 Tbsp vinegar might help.

PJ, you crack me up. Eating the whole batch of buckwheat crackers sounds like something I would do..."because they're good for me"... :D!
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: MommabyHisgrace December 20, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
Wow MBHG, I am so impressed with you getting the whole family cleansing. I am hoping to do this with our precious kiddos too at some point.  

Just for the record I couldn't get DH to follow through with it.  He lasted about 4 days--almost vomitted 3 days in a row and decided on day 4 that he was done with it.  Makes me think he needs it as much as any of us!  :-\  He still eats most meals with us and has had a pretty good attitude about it :)!

Thanks for the advice about the ACV--might try that tomorrow!
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: Mrs. Visionary December 21, 2008, 05:14:16 AM
Just for the record I couldn't get DH to follow through with it. 
All in God's time :)...

Although I've never commented, I have been inspired by and have contemplated frequently the following by Alaska Herb Girl...
 
so the only thing I have been doing is praying, I have not eliminated or cut down on anything. When I first saw my sympoms come back I thought God wasn't healing me, and so I was really dissapointed and almost stopped praying about it, but then I thought ya know He's a God of miracles He can heal me! So I kept on praying and the fact that this month is a lot different is giving me hope!
What this really brings home for me is that our Creator does not need us to do anything special in order to heal us or give us His grace. By our faith are we healed.
I don't know what your diet is like Alaska Herb Girl's because you didn't say. But I do know that God has given you the wisdom to eat in the way that is right for you.
Thank you for sharing your healing and hope.
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: kittyninja December 24, 2008, 11:10:17 AM
can these be made into meringue cookies? the crispy light ones? looking for a sugarless version for my mom and grandma.

Meringue Drops submitted by milmuth
GF/CF, soy & nut free

3 egg whites
1 tsp. vanilla
honey to taste, ~ 2 Tbs.
1c. dried fruit, chopped (I used half apricots and half dates)

Place egg whites, vanilla, and honey in mixer.  Mix on high until stiff.  Fold in dried fruit.

Drop into greased muffin tins (to help keep shape; possibly not needed to be muffin tin) about 1/3 to 1/2 full Bake at 300 for 15-20 min.  Allow to cool slowly. 

I stored in fridge.  They are a little messy, but a good treat instead of cookies or marshmallows or such for those who can have eggs.


And Lovin', you are doing a variety of small steps that are going to add up to better health.  Thank you for your prayers!  :-*

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: pljammie December 26, 2008, 05:39:29 AM
 I wanted to chime in that I'm still on the diet...although I have switched to phase one of the Maker's Diet.  I had a major setback a week ago.  It started with Hubby's work Christmas party.   I enjoyed it all from the Beef Wellington appetizers and their crispy phyllo dough to the rich cheesecake with lots of sugar and dairy for dessert.  I was good and had decaf coffee though. ;D  Anyway, at that point my eczema on my eye lids that has been present for 20 years was almost completely healed.  My skin was looking so good and then the next day I had a turkey sandwich, sugar cookies and whatever else I could find that was not on the diet...lol. I felt like I was back to square one.  So now I'm doing better and seeing improvement in my eczema after not eating any wheat, dairy, etc. 

Here are the supplements I'm taking now:
4 CLO tablets a day (2500 vit A per tab)
2 B Complex vitamins
4,000 mg. vit. C
2-3 T. of coconut oil (more than 3 T. results in die off)
2-3 T. butter
just finished a bottle of yeast defense

 I have been drinking a lot of e-Immune tea from bulk herb store...it is sooo yummy!  I'm hoping it is beneficial to drink since it supports the immune system.

How did everyone else do through the holidays?
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: Mrs. Visionary December 26, 2008, 06:11:42 AM
1. I was good and had decaf coffee though. ;D

2. How did everyone else do through the holidays?



1. LOL, Love it!

2. Not too bad really. But that's just me. I have been eating no sugar for so long that it's pretty much second nature. Had a piece of WW Cinnamon Bread from a local bakery yesterday...it was delicious :)!
And I have been eating persimmons that my parents brought from their tree (kind of like eating candy they're so sweet).
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: healthyinOhio December 29, 2008, 09:09:49 AM
Any professional yeast cleansers wanna answer my silly questions? lol  I have a list of foods that we need to avoid and a list of foods that are fine.  What I don't understand is why so many different sources(internet, books, etc.) say one food is fine and another is not. It seems like they all disagree with what is safe to eat.
The list I have says no to coffee and tea.  I am assuming it is saying that because of the fermentation process?  But it says that raw apple cider vinegar is okay. 
This diet is really confusing!  :-\
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: YoopreMama December 29, 2008, 10:00:39 AM
Ah, HinOH.... ;D  Welcome to the confusing world of anti-candida diets!    :D

I've seen coffee kept off b/c the person thought caffeine was bad...not sure how it impacts candida.  There could be some fillers in commercial teas that the yeast could feed off of...straight herbal teas, I thought, were OK.

ACV is controversial...some say any fermented products are bad...other say some can tolerate them.   ::)  I thought that overall, ACV was OK.

I don't think minor "errors"/cheating will impact the big picture, really.  S. boulardii is supposed to help w/ yeast.

I am going to be heading over the the GAPS thread b/c I have more than yeast issues w/ a history of antibiotics for a month at birth for e. coli spinal meningitis, formula, vaccinations, and now I find out, phenobarbital (!).   :o  :(  Got some more healing to do... ;)
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: healthyinOhio December 29, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Alright, if Yooper says I can consume it, it must be okay! lol 
I am just so black and white, avoided it or not, follow everything to a "T" but it seems as if that may be impossible.  So, we are gonna do the best we can, I guess.  Thanks!  ;)
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: InEverything December 29, 2008, 10:40:31 AM
Hello Healthy in Ohio--
I was wanting to comment on another post where you mentioned honey. The Maker's Diet says that a little raw honey is okay as well.  Isn't that great?!

I have fallen off the Maker's Diet personally and the reason is that Bragg's ACV has helped me tremendously!  All of my symptoms have gone away, mainly blood sugar problems.  I take a little in water with every meal.  It takes away the drop in blood sugars.   I have read elsewhere that it helps with candida.  Now on the flipside,  maybe if someone is sensitive to yeast it would be a different story.  Maybe my symptoms were not due to candida??  I think each person needs to see what they can handle.
God Bless
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: pljammie December 31, 2008, 05:44:56 AM
The reason Bee doesn't allow coffee and tea is the caffeine.  Her theory is that the stimulant in caffeine makes the process of your body healing take longer...at least that's what I got out of what I read.  I didn't read anywhere that it feeds yeast, just that it is bad for your overall health.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn5.php (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn5.php) 

She does say you can have swiss process decaf coffee.  Her diet is really more about healing than cleansing.  You don't eat various things to heal your gutas well as starve the yeast.  I know that now that as I'm trying to up the coconut oil, I find that I have die off again, so I think I still have yeast issues.  I'm doing the phase 1 maker's diet, but with Bee's supplement list.  So far my arthritis in my fingers/thumbs appears to be gone.  Still trying to find relief from the eczema.
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: elbereth January 01, 2009, 06:28:42 PM
I am starting a anti candida diet with the candida cleanse pack from beeyoutiful.  Just had a question...  How do you take the supplements, I mean, is it okay to take them all at once, like, together?  Does the yeast assassin harm the Ultra defense or tummy tuneup?
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: Mrs. Visionary January 02, 2009, 04:20:40 AM
     Another point of perspective about coffee. In "Feast Without Yeast", Bruce Semon has patients exclude coffee from the diet because it is FERMENTED as part of the processing.  He places a huge emphasis on avoiding all fermented products to heal yeast overgrowth. There is another thread devoted to this topic but I will just say here that although I and many yeast sufferers do OK with some fermented items in the diet, I believe there are those who are sensitive to either the microbes themselves or to chemicals produced by them who absolutely must avoid fermented foods or at least certain ones.
     That being said, I CANNOT drink coffee. It really whacks out my system and it does worsen yeast for me. And I quickly develop an addiction where I have to have more and more to get the same effect. I CAN, however, drink black tea without impunity (well I am a little addicted to the caffeine, but it is a stable addiction ;)). And I can drink more one day and less the next without noticing any difference. I usually drink 1 C per day, sometimes only 1/2, generally not more than 2.
     Chocolate is also on Semon's no-no list for fermented. I don't have TOO big a problem with chocolate but rarely consume small amounts now. (DH commented he didn't think it was good for me [personality-wise ::)]
     I think the bottom line is that the diet has to be individualized through prayer and experimentation base on each one's tolerance and sensitivity.
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: Mrs. Visionary January 02, 2009, 04:24:49 AM
I am starting a anti candida diet with the candida cleanse pack from beeyoutiful.  Just had a question...  How do you take the supplements, I mean, is it okay to take them all at once, like, together?  Does the yeast assassin harm the Ultra defense or tummy tuneup?
     You can take them together. As far as I know the anti-yeast herbs are harmless to the probiotics. And if I remember correctly YA has FOS in it which is good for the beneficial bacteria.
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: pljammie January 03, 2009, 09:34:54 AM
I've been taking my supplements 2 times a day.  I take cod liver oil, vit. c and B complex vitamins in morning and CLO, vit. C and Yeast defense in the evening.  Just finished my yeast defense bottle and need to get another one.  I have not yet started probiotics because I was following the Bee plan which starts the probiotics last.  I looked at her supplement list and (it is rather lengthy) she has you spreading out the supplements throughout the day.  I'm going to add vitamin E to my supplement list this week and start a new bottle of yeast defense.  I also have been slacking on the coconut oil and garlic.  I'm sort of doing the "Jammie version" of this diet...lol...I think you just have to find what works for you. 
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: elbereth January 04, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
Thanks for replying... I do have one more question.  I have been on the supplements (doubling up like Rebecca A. recommended somewhere) also coconut oil and extra garlic and lots of water etc..,   and a very strict- super-low carb/no cheese/no caffeine/nothing fermented, etc... and besides feeling a bit tired and a slight headache on day two there have been no real side effects.  I know that I have a major yeast problem, because I have rheumatoid arthritis that stays somewhat in check when I avoid large amounts of homogenized milk prod. and sugar, and gigantic cravings for sugar.  As a matter of fact, most of my life up until the last 3 years or so, I lived on carbs.  So, I guess my question is...am I detoxing?  Am I doing something wrong that anyone can think of?  This is day three. 
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: healthybratt January 08, 2009, 04:57:02 AM
I am starting a anti candida diet with the candida cleanse pack from beeyoutiful.  Just had a question...  How do you take the supplements, I mean, is it okay to take them all at once, like, together?  Does the yeast assassin harm the Ultra defense or tummy tuneup?
     You can take them together. As far as I know the anti-yeast herbs are harmless to the probiotics. And if I remember correctly YA has FOS in it which is good for the beneficial bacteria.
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.msg217169.html#msg217169
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: carolina girl January 08, 2009, 08:19:18 AM
Today is day one for me - no side effects yet, just hungry.  had omelet for breakfast and a "taco soup" (no tomatoes) for lunch.  I think one area I have gone wrong in, though, is the fact that I have not eliminated dairy.  I have been consuming sour cream and cheddar cheese and plan to consume homemade yogurt from raw milk.  Do I need to completely eliminate dairy, too?  I really want to do the strictest diet so that I can kick this thing and be done.  Do I need to get rid of the dairy too?


Thanks!
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: pljammie January 08, 2009, 06:27:59 PM
I only eliminated sugar and fruit the first week and it was about day 5 that detox hit.  I was so sick I was convinced I had a virus.  Now that I've been on it a while I know when I'm detoxing and it usually starts with headache, bloating, and other lovely symptoms.  I have not been able to handle more than 3 T. of EVCO without symptoms. 

Jammie
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: pljammie January 08, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Today is day one for me - no side effects yet, just hungry.  had omelet for breakfast and a "taco soup" (no tomatoes) for lunch.  I think one area I have gone wrong in, though, is the fact that I have not eliminated dairy.  I have been consuming sour cream and cheddar cheese and plan to consume homemade yogurt from raw milk.  Do I need to completely eliminate dairy, too?  I really want to do the strictest diet so that I can kick this thing and be done.  Do I need to get rid of the dairy too?


Thanks!

I eliminated dairy last because I love it so.  I think the Bee plan says to eliminate it up front with the sugars and fruits.

Jammie
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: carolina girl January 12, 2009, 08:24:07 AM
Alright, today is day 5 and this might be TMI, but this morning, I had some pretty bad cramping and couldn't get off the potty much because of such loose stool/diarrhea.  Is this normal?  Is this what happens on a cleanse (it would make sense if it is) I have been fine ever since then - should I expect this throughout the time I am doing this, or was it a one time thing?  Also, I have not eliminated dairy - I have greatly reduced the intake - but have not eliminated it.  Do I HAVE to eliminate dairy in order to see the results/complete the cleanse?

Thanks so much to all of you cleanse experts out there!
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: pljammie January 12, 2009, 09:09:22 AM
I've been on the diet in various stages since November.  I've only really been sick one time with cramping and diarrhea.  I also notice that in addition to cramping/loose stools, I have had headaches, feeling achy all over and just a general feeling of unwellness. I think different people react differently.  If you take the large dose of Vitamin C at the first sign of  die off, the symptoms are reduced significantly.  I take 2,000 mg of Vitamin C at the first sign of bloating and gas or achy flu like symptoms.  Since I started that I haven't had any more diarrhea.  Maybe it will help you too.  I think Bee even says to take 4,000 mg, but I can only choke down so many horse pills...lol.  She does say that you need to totally eliminate dairy until your candida symptoms are cleared up.  Even though it isn't allowed, I have a little coconut milk here and there when I need a little creamy something.  (I used it in the egg drink and it improved the flavor quite a bit)  Also search Bee's sight for how to handle die off.  She has a lot of things to read about die off as well as "healing reactions."

I'm at a stage of altering the plan quite a bit.  I had the allergist pull my testing today and saw that my allergy to egg and fish is rather significant as well as wheat and cow milk.  So that is part of why my eczema is better.  It just won't completely go away, so I am eliminating chicken eggs and fish.  I may have to add in some rice and non-gluten grains since I have really eaten a lot of eggs and tuna to keep me from thinking I'd starve..lol.  Anyway, I hope to have rash free eyes with the elimination of my high allergens.

Jammie
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: mommyjen January 12, 2009, 06:31:55 PM
Hey, I'm so impressed with the results Jammie! Well, I bet ya'll never thought you'd hear from me again, and I feel badly for just dropping out without a note. This diet totally killed my milk supply. I need herbs now to keep it adequate. I have always had tons and tons of milk in the past and couldn't touch anything that would increase breastmilk so my baby wouldn't drown, lol. Anyways, I have since read that many feel fatigued on a low carb diet simply because they aren't consumin enough calories. This was true in my case. It is HARD to start eating a whole new way and when a new babies in the house is NOT a time to rock your world with a new diet. I'm still investigating how to overcome candida. It's so confusing to me, but I have time to figure it out because I won't be trying anything like this again till baby is eating lots of solids.

Hoping for the greatest success for you ladies!!!

Jen
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: pljammie January 18, 2009, 05:23:11 PM
Oh Jen, so sorry to hear about your nursing difficulties.  This is a hard diet to do anyway, I can only imagine if I were trying to nurse as well. 


On another note, the food allergies have really thrown a knot in my plans.  Since I took eggs completely out my eczema is about 80% better.  I think I was eating between 4-6 eggs a day on Bee's plan.  I had planned on the maker's diet but I wasn't able to add much in without having some bad digestive symptoms.  I found another anti-candida diet website and may try to stick to it instead.  It has a few more options than Bee's and takes into account that you would have food allergies.  (Bee says that you should eat eggs anyway, but I was so miserable with the eczema I just can't) I printed out several things and will read it tonight.  I'm going to start a journal to track my food reactions and just go slowly. 
http://www.wholeapproach.com/diet/foodlist.php (http://www.wholeapproach.com/diet/foodlist.php)
What do you all think about this approach to clearing the candida?


One bad thing, is that I was craving chocolate and sweets.  Instead of taking vitamin C, epsom bath and lots of water, I ate a mixture of cocoa, almonds, coconut oil (hey, it's antifungal!), coconut flakes, stevia, some honey, etc all whizzed into a very yummy fudge like thing.  Then, another time I had a frozen treat with coconut milk and frozen fruit in the blender...anyway, I have now turned to the dark (chocolate) side and must find my way back to cabbage and broccoli. ;D
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: brigonia January 19, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
Looks like I'll be trying this again.  My baby has eczema. :'(  I'm still low carb, but have been eating dairy and nuts.  I guess they gotta go.   :o

*What about eggs?  Do you think they could be a problem for my baby?

  He is 4 months old and breastfed only.  I was thinking about starting him on raw egg yolk but I guess that will have to wait.  I might try giving him some probiotic powder everyday.  I know Donna Gates reccomends the juice of fermented veggies for babies.  I really  want to get this under conrol before it gets worse.  My oldest daughter had eczema that started out worse and lasted 'till she was around three.  Now it is coming back so I have to figure out what to do with her. 
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: MommabyHisgrace January 20, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
We are in the midst of month #3 and I'm finding that 2 of my children still have yeast symptoms when we take our week off each month.  I had to go 1 1/2 weeks without the supplements and that was hard.  My 3 yo dd's eczema started to come back right away.  Looks like she will be in it for the long haul.  I just picked up the supplements today and started us all back on Vit. C, Candida Clear, Colostrum and still need to get some CLO.  Hoping to get back on track and see some more good results! 

I may need to start keeping a food log for the 2 that still have symptoms, but don't want to put forth that much effort if I don't have to :o!
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: carolina girl January 21, 2009, 11:42:03 AM
I will have been doing this for two weeks tomorrow.  I never did have any outright yeast symptoms, just knew that I must have some issues because of many antibiotics as a child, sugar cravings, etc.  So, I went through die off, taking my yeast assassin, omega 369, ultra immune, aloe vera, digestive enzymes, then adding in clove oil for the past couple of days.  I have no more symptoms of die off - just tired (but I think that has more to do with caring for 2 sick ones right now).  Should I switch out my yeast assassin now for acidopholus blast and save the rest for a future use (maybe by my dh??? :))  Should I start incorporating other foods now, like dairy and yeast containing foods?  I'm confused now at this point...  what should be my action plan after all symtoms of die-off are gone?
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: carolina girl January 22, 2009, 07:23:07 AM
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: mommyjen January 23, 2009, 07:35:09 AM
well, i'm back. my 4 mo has a severe yeast rash all over his body. His neck, diaper, underarms, behind the kneess, are red, raw, and oozing. There is a rash everywhere else and it spreads every day.  :'( It took me some time tor figure out it was yeast because I did not experience this with the other kids. This certainly confirms my suspicions that I have candida. I DO NOT want to pass this to anymore children.

So, i'm excited to kick some yeast butt, though I just don't know how I'm going to get enough calories to mainatain my milk supply? 

Here we go again/round 2. :)
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: herbalmom January 23, 2009, 09:19:24 AM
well, i'm back. my 4 mo has a severe yeast rash all over his body. His neck, diaper, underarms, behind the kneess, are red, raw, and oozing. There is a rash everywhere else and it spreads every day.  :'( It took me some time tor figure out it was yeast because I did not experience this with the other kids. This certainly confirms my suspicions that I have candida. I DO NOT want to pass this to anymore children.

So, i'm excited to kick some yeast butt, though I just don't know how I'm going to get enough calories to mainatain my milk supply? 

Here we go again/round 2. :)

I would suggest using lots of good fats to up your calories. Avocado, coconut, good butter on everything that's good w/butter, etc. Maybe a small amount of non gluten grains.

Tropical Traditions has lots of recipes for coconut foods including breads, muffins, etc. Since most coconut bread/muffin recipes are mostly coconut & egg the calories & fat should really help- & don't forget to serve with butter.  ;) Winter squashes & sweet potatoes might work for you & they are still lower cab than grains & reg starches.

I mentioned in the post quoted below about using coconut flour in water to help fill you up & in your case, for extra calories. Flax as well.

IMO, the extra hunger is actually a die off reaction. The yeasty beasties  ;) are trying to get you to eat CARBS & & if your starving you just might give in & eat carbs. Besides, the starch in good carbs helps you stay full longer- that's the reason for the trick of adding carbs/starch to a meal when you need 'stick to the ribs' food or need to stretch food to feed a crowd.

As far as something that might help, I was just reading an email from Tropical Traditions about their coconut flour being on sale. It mentioned mixing the coconut flour into water for a coconut flavored fiber supplement or adding it to smoothies, etc. How about trying it to help fill you up & stick with you? Because it's high in fiber it should help keep you regular also. Most everyone is taking coconut oil anyways so this would just add a little more coconut oil to your diet but would also add protein (it's 19% NON gluten protein) & fiber as well. It might help.

Adding ground flax to your meals should help also. Good fats, fiber & it expands in the stomach to help fill you up.

Blessings ~herbalmom

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: pljammie January 25, 2009, 04:29:45 PM
The coconut flour is pretty cool.  It takes a tiny amount to make  muffins, etc. It isn't the same texture as regular muffins, but it is really yummy just the same.
 
I made the blueberry version of the recipe at this link.  Hubby is on the Maker's Diet and this worked as it didn't have too much sweetener.  I had one too...I figured that it wasn't the worst treat I could have.   ;D
http://www.simplycoconut.com/rcp-honey-muffins.htm (http://www.simplycoconut.com/rcp-honey-muffins.htm)

Jammie
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: Jemima March 17, 2009, 03:00:30 AM
Hi!

I am starting day one of an "anti-candida diet" and just wondered if anyone else is doing the same, or planning to start soon.  It would be fun to have company in this adventure!  :D

I'm doing this week just no sugar in any form.  Not eliminating fruit or anything else yet, simply because I'm such a sugar addict right now, that I think I need a little time to adjust.  Shooting for a week of this, and then on to eliminating more problem foods.

Excited to get "cleansed" and healthy again!  ;D

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: Mamatoto March 17, 2009, 06:14:26 PM
Hi there!  I'm a couple weeks into a candida cleanse, so can keep you company for a little while at least.  Last month I started easing myself down to the candida diet, but got too frustrated after only two weeks because as soon as my body seemed to adapt, I was cutting more food out and felt horrid again.  So I decided to take a week off and then go cold turkey and just get it over with!  I'm doing ShabbyChic's 40-day nursing cleanse that she posted on here a while back.  Basically, it's Step 1 from the Maker's Diet, minus fruit (except lemons), minus dairy, plus brown rice.  I'm also taking the almost all the supplements she recommended - I figured if I spent money (that I didn't really have in the first place) on the supplements, then I'd be more likely to stick to the cleanse so as not to waste my money.

It's hard to know how exactly my body is reacting, since I had a cold before I started.  But as of last night, my "cold" seems to have gotten significantly worse and I can't help but think it's the candida fighting back.  I should probably do a dry brush of my skin, take a hot bath, and then do a garlic poultice tonight to try and let some of the toxins out other ways.  But that honestly seems like too much work right now.  I haven't strayed off the diet, but I really want to start doing those three things every night, so hopefully starting tomorrow...

How was day 1 for you?
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: Jemima March 18, 2009, 04:05:33 AM
Hi Mamatoto!

Good to hear from someone on the road already! :)

Are you nursing? Your plan sounds like a good nursing mom's diet plan.  I started a couple months ago on Bee's Anti-Candida diet, but quit after a week because I felt like I wasn't getting enough to feed both me and my nursing baby. Now she's weaned, so I'm excited to jump in with no restrictions this time!

I'd like to do a strict diet/cleanse for about 2 weeks, and then just back off slowly, but try to keep a balanced diet, with little to no sugar for a long time.

I started Candida Clear this morning... Have Gr8dophilus also, but not sure when to add that in.

Day 1 went pretty good. The sugar cravings were hard, but not impossible to curb.  I ate nuts, cheese and fruit when it got too hard.

I need to make up a menu for next week, when I need to eliminate other things. First I need to decide what "other things" I'm going to eliminate!  ??? There seems to be so many different thoughts on what you can and can't have.  The biggest ones seem to be cheese and grains. 

Thanks for the support!  :)
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: Jemima March 18, 2009, 04:08:12 AM
Oh, and does anyone have suggestions for a good tea to drink while cleansing for candida? I'm into tea right now, (seems to help with the sugar cravings) and it'd be nice if the tea was helping. I've been drinking chai green, and lemon ginger.  It helps if tastes good. ;D
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: YoopreMama March 18, 2009, 07:11:30 AM
Oh, and does anyone have suggestions for a good tea to drink while cleansing for candida? I'm into tea right now, (seems to help with the sugar cravings) and it'd be nice if the tea was helping. I've been drinking chai green, and lemon ginger.  It helps if tastes good. ;D
Hi!
Do you like Good Earth's Sweet and Spicy tea?  It's a bit like Chai...
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: AllinHisTime March 18, 2009, 12:44:40 PM
I just came up with a good no-bake cookie recipe!  I tried it last night and I think a slight modification would work great.  I hope this isn't a repeat.

I love organic, raw nut butters!  My favorites are cashew, almond and peanut (so far).  I LOVE no bake cookies and have tried making them with stevia but have found it doesn't quite work.  It got better when I put the stevia in last and mixed in with the oatmeal, but it still wasnt great.

Last night I spooned a few TBSP of raw cashew butter and a few TBSP of coconut oil, stirred it real good.  Once the oil and cashew butter was mixed well, I added old fashioned oats until there was enough to be coated.  I let it sit in fridge over night but this would be the ideal time to roll into balls and put on wax paper.  I had the idea to drizzle melted dark, dark chocolate on the top to keep sugar down but still have a hint of chocolate.  To be honest, I love them just how they are.  The coconut oil just melts in your mouth and it is so filling because it's nutrient dense.  I made a small bowl and ate a few cookie sized bites and walked away satisfied.

I had to share!!!
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: Mamatoto March 18, 2009, 06:38:43 PM
Hi again Jemima!  So glad to hear day 1 wasn't unbearable.  Sounds like you have a good plan (snacking on yummy "ok foods") for trying to head off cravings.  How was today?  Any headway on deciding what food to cut out next?  I just read today in Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child that yeast loves lactose, which I suppose is why dairy is on everyone's no-no list.  I still don't fully understand how healthy foods (raw dairy, fruit, whole grains, etc.) can be "bad" for you - I guess they're only really healthy for you if candida is under control and your gut is full of healthy bacteria...??

Day 18 was miserable!  Yesterday was the first day I experienced symptoms anything worse than basic mild cold symptoms.  And today they just got worse, so I'm officially attributing them to the cleanse instead of a cold.  I can't breathe through my nose at all and sound really ridiculous when I talk!  I just did a dry brush scrub and hot bath to try and get rid of some of the toxins through my skin, and hopefully I can keep it up as the days go on.

My biggest problem is meal planning, especially since I'm doing a pretty restricted diet.  I'm only cooking for myself (single mom and DS is still 99% breast fed), so I come up with 3 different meals each week that I rotate through lunch and dinner and back again, and 3 snacks that I eat each day.  Breakfast is always the same - ground brown rice soaked and then cooked up like hot cereal and topped with coconut oil, ground flaxseed, and raw almond slices - it tasted fine 18 days ago, but I'm already getting tired of it!  But I can't come up with any other ideas (I don't like eggs)  :-[ If I was cooking for a whole family that expected variety I think I'd really be in trouble!!

As far as a tea idea, both ginger and licorice are effective against candida, as well as being tasty!  So your lemon ginger is sure to be doing some good.  And even if you don't like black licorice, you may like licorice herb in a tea - it's pretty sweet.  And another idea:  I'm not sure that it necessarily helps eliminate candida, detox your body, or fight cravings...BUT it is high in calcium, so could be helpful if/when you eliminate dairy.  It's a teething recipe I got from Hebal Remedies for Children's Health and tastes really good!  I'm not sure how many of the ingredients you'll have on hand, or whether you're close to a store that sells herbs in bulk for cheap, but here's the recipe just in case: 1 part nettle, 2 parts oats, 1 part raspberry leaf, 2 parts lemongrass, 2 parts lemon balm, 3 parts rose hips, 1/2 part cinnamon, a pinch of stevia to sweeten (optional).  I have a big bag mixed up that I shake each morning to re-mix, then just take a T out and brew a cup.

It's time for bed...best of luck tomorrow!
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: Jemima March 19, 2009, 03:45:42 AM
Yesterday went very well, thankfully. I've expected to have horrible sugar cravings, since I've been such a sugar junkie, but they haven't been overly hard yet. Protein and tea definitely helped yesterday when I had the urge to snack.

Today I'm feeling extremely irritable/on edge, almost like I have nervous energy or something!  :-[ Not fun. I think it may be those cravings for carbs and sugar, since I also admit to having a snack of potato chips, which seemed to help me relax.  :-X Is that terrible, or what?

I'm glad to hear ginger tea is helpful! I sort of like licorice, so maybe I'll try some of that, too. Your blend sounds good! I don't have some of those herbs accessible right now, but I did just remember I have some Red Raspberry Brew stored... Might not help anything, but it tastes good and is good for you.

I'm trying to figure out some meal plans, too.  I do like eggs, so I guess that will be a mainstay for breakfast, although I'm not sure I can eat eggs EVERY day!  :P

I'm going to allow grapefruit and berries, in moderation, so that will be a nice treat! Do you know if beans are allowed? I think I read no, but it would be so nice if they were! Much as I love dairy, I think I'm going to eliminate it for a week or two, anyway.

How long are you planning to go for? Great job at keeping at it for 18 days already! That's awesome, and encouraging.  I don't look forward to detox/die-off symptoms, but it would be somewhat good to know that the cleanse is working. 

Have a successful day!
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: Jemima March 19, 2009, 08:56:38 AM
Wow, I'm really curious if tiredness, laziness, lethargy - whatever you want to call it, is related to cleansing! I have been unusually tired and lazy feeling the last 3 days, which are the days I haven't been doing sugar. The last 2 I've been taking Candida Clear. Could just those two things be detoxing me already? Or is it the sugar withdrawals. I'm thinking sugar withdrawal, but I don't know for sure.

*Yawn*, how am I going to keep this household rolling if I feel like this for 3 weeks?  ::)
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: Mamatoto March 19, 2009, 07:14:47 PM
So, so happy that your cravings were manageable yesterday!  (Well, other than the potato chip incident  ;))  Were they about the same today, or has the candida figured out it's not going to get it's favorite meal anytime soon?  I think it's safe to say that you can chalk any out-of-the-ordinary reactions up to the cleanse - everything is fair game in love and war and this is definately WAR.  I did a quick little search online and it looks like - yes - fatigue is a symptom of die off, so it looks like your already rolling right along! 

I think your plan to keep berries and grapefruit sounds very reasonable, and should give you something to look forward to.  I personally decided to cut them out, too, because I was afraid if I ate anything remotely sweet I'd be to tempted to eat something else sweet, etc., etc., etc.

My plan is to do the straight anti-candida diet/supplements for a total of 40 days.  But at that point I'm going to re-asses and see whether I think I need more time or not.  I really need to make this work, as the candida overgrowth is not only affecting me, but my DS as well.  We recently moved, so found a new (holistic) pediatrician and went in to see her for the first time last month.  DS had just gotten a yeast rash in his diaper area two days earlier, and the pediatrician aso diagnosed a red ring around his anus that he had since the day he was born as yeast.  She told me that babies start labor with no (good) bacteria, but pick some up from the vaginal canal during birth.  They also pick up anything else battling the good bacteria.  So any candida problems hanging around in mom get transferred to the baby  :( This is regardless of whether mom actually has a vaginal yeast infection, but instead is related to her body's overall candida levels and is especially aggravated if mom takes any antibiotics during pregnancy or has any yeast infections during pregnancy.  I had a TON of yeast infections during pregnancy, and am pretty sure my candida overgrowth comes from being on anti-acne antibiotics from 6th grade through part of college (including Accutane).  All that to say that DS is the reason I'm plugging on, so I need to get this right the first time.  Once I decide to be done with the cleanse, I think I'll transfer to the full Step 1 of the Makers Diet for 2 weeks, then Step 2 of the Makers Diet for 2 weeks, before settling on Step 3 (which is pretty much how I've eaten for the past 3 years EXCEPT for some "out-of-control" sugar intake since Christmas this year  :-[).

Any good meal ideas for next week?  Here are a couple recent meat-based concoctions that actually turned out yummy:

Dredge a boneless, skinless chicken breast in egg.  Coat it in lots of ground flaxseed and dried herbs (I chucked in basil, oregano, onion, garlic powder, parsley, and allspice).  Pan-fry in coconut oil.  Serve over brown rice spaghetti and top with a couple dollops of thick tomato sauce (I doubled the amount of tomato paste I usually use with tomato sauce and then added the same herbs I listed above). 

Chuck roast with lots of onions, carrots, and fresh rosemary.  This was actually the first time I have ever cooked a roast - well, actually, I'm not sure that it actually qualified as a roast if I did it in the crock pot, does it?  Serve over brown rice cooked with butter. 

Taco salad with ground beef mixed with homemade taco seasonings.  I used chopped cabbage as the base because it's high in vitamin C and beta carotene.  Mix in whatever "taco veggies" you have on hand and top with salsa and avocado (no sour cream  :'().

I'm also trying to use red peppers in as many things as I can because it's just packed with vitamin C and vitamin A (1 cup of chopped pepper is 200% of your vitamin C for the day and 100% of your vitamin A).  Since I'm not eating fruit on the cleanse, I don't much care for cooked veggies, and I only really love eating raw veggies when it's warm out, I'm trying to be practical about getting all the fruit/veggie vitamins I need as easily as possible.  Then once that is out of the way, I can eat as much of whatever else I like without worrying about being too "balanced."

Unfortunately, I'm out of ideas for next week... :-\

Don't let the fatigue get you discouraged - just think how full of energy and vitality you'll be when this is all over!!!!!
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: herbalmom March 19, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
I think it's safe to say that you can chalk any out-of-the-ordinary reactions up to the cleanse - everything is fair game in love and war and this is definately WAR. 

Read post #107 on this thread. Here's a link:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,21241.msg206538.html#msg206538 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,21241.msg206538.html#msg206538)
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: Mamatoto March 20, 2009, 09:22:27 AM
LOL - so true!  Jemima- Have you been able to keep your eyes open today?
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: Mamatoto March 20, 2009, 05:56:12 PM
Well, today marks the halfway point - yeah!  Yesterday and today I had what I would call "moderate cold symptoms" - much better than Wednesday, but worse than the first couple weeks.  I am hoping that if I can facilitate as much detoxing as possible through the urinary tract (by upping my minimum water intake from 8-12 glasses a day - actually I always shoot for 12 but end up with 8, so now I'm shooting for 16 so I'll end up with 12), digestive system (by keeping up with my flax seed and newly-added charcoal supplement), and integumentary system (by doing dry brush skin rubs and hot baths that make me sweat), I'll lessen the detox symptoms in my nose and throat (or at least hold them at bay - I definately don't want any more days like days 17 and 18).  Not sure if my rationale is truly rational, but unless someone shows me otherwise I'm going to press on ahead as if it is.  Last night I added some bentonite clay to my bath, and I might as well do the same tonight.  Amazingly, DS's cold symptoms seem to really be  dropping off - I only had to wipe his nose a couple times today  :)  Still don't have a menu plan for next week, so I'll be thinking about that while in the tub tonight - no relaxing for me! 

Can't wait to hear how the last couple days have gone for you, Jemima.  Oh, I forgot to post on your beans question from yesterday.  It seems like different sources have different lists of ok foods, but I don't think I've seen beans on anybody's ok list.  I'm just doing brown rice and brown rice products (unfortunately, very few brown rice products only have brown rice as an ingredient).  But I'm pretty sure multiple sources have given the ok to amaranth, quinoa, and millet.  No beans, though!  Sorry!!  Best of luck keeping strong this weekend.  And happy first day of spring  :)
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: Jemima March 21, 2009, 01:43:03 AM
Hurray for you, Mamatoto! That is a big achievement to go that long on this diet!  :-*

I like your thought on detoxing externally, so internal symptoms won't be as bad... I need to remember to drink a lot. Now that I'm not nursing, the thirst urge isn't there so much, but maybe I'll have to make a note of how many cups I'm getting a day.

Well, I have a sad confession to make...  :-[ I totally fell off the bandwagon yesterday! When I hear how good your doing, it makes me feel like such a wimp. It all started w/a piece of banana cake I had made for church... And I rationalized that I wasn't on the "official" cleanse yet, so one little piece wouldn't hurt. You know where one little piece leads... :P  So dumb. But! I'm starting fresh again today, and excited to get the full diet underway! I can do this!  ;D

My menu plan for the week is salmon patties (they call for cracker crumbs, but I don't know if the tiny amount in there will hurt - and I may try to look for gluten free crackers), rotisserie chicken, meatloaf, and some sort of baked chicken breasts, oh, and nachos. Well, nachos for everyone else, meat and the veggies for me, and we'll see what I can do with that to make it a meal for myself.
I have a Chicken Stew recipe that I was thinking of making. You may like it! It only has chicken, brown rice, carrots and peas, and chicken broth. I thought of making a pot for myself for lunches.

I think I'll allow brown rice in moderation... Wasn't going to, but maybe I should. (My mom was worried that I'll get too skinny and not enough to eat, when I told her about this! :) ) Oh well on the beans. I can live without them.

You mentioned flax seed - are you taking the oil? Any other fats/EFA's? I've been taking CLO for awhile now, and may up the dose. Do you like Coconut oil? There's a coconut oil drink on this thread, I think. It's from another website, but it was a good breakfast drink.  I couldn't quite get it down, cause I don't like a strong CO taste.

Anyway, I should run here, but yes, a good weekend to you, as well! Thanks for the support!

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: Mamatoto March 22, 2009, 08:00:57 PM
I am thrilled to hear that one day off the wagon isn't slowing you down, Jemima!  In similar situations it's really hard for me to keep going on something without rationalizing another (but this time planned) cheat day.  So I really hope that you were able to be strong and have a successful weekend.  Weekends are a tough time to start things because I'm not in my usual routine, so if you were able to pull it off...kudos!!  (And if not, there's always tomorrow to start fresh  ;D)  Your meal plans sound great!  In fact, I liked your soup-for-lunch idea so well I changed my plans at the last minute and made a huge pot of soup today for lunches this week.  Unfortunately, I forgot to take into account that DS and I go into the office Mondays-Saturdays, and it sounds a little risky to put soup into my existing food containers without expecting leaks, so I need to track down a thermos before I can implement the soup-for-lunch idea  ???

Here are the supplements I'm taking (I pretty much just stole Shabby Chic's list, and ran them by my pediatrician who tweaked it a tiny bit):

With breakfast: ACV, hot tonic juice, raw garlic cloves, probiotic, vitamin D (until the weather gets sunnier), calcium, milk thistle, horsetail, fenugreek, cloves, fish oil, and high calcium tea

With dinner: pumpkin seed oil, SuperMom, raw garlic cloves, lemon juice, Mama's Milk Tea

On an empty stomach (I have been having trouble taking these consistently because I can't stand having an empty stomach!): activated charcoal, Garden of Life Fungal Defense (I initially bought Candex because it was touted as not contributing to die-off, but I had scarily bad reactions to it, so switched to Fungal Defense, which I was taking without any problems the couple weeks before starting the cleanse - oddly enough, I now have mild stomach cramping when I take it, so am on a reduced dosage for now)

Each day I am trying to get in about 3 T coconut oil in my cooking/on my cereal, plus an extra 1-2 T butter, as well as 1/4 cup ground flaxseed in my food.  When I do salads or other cold foods, I am using flaxseed oil in the dressing.  DH is still 100% breastfed except for the following items that our pediatrician wanted me to start him on while I was doing the cleanse: 1-2 t CO, 1/4 t bifidus probiotic powder, and 1 t CLO each day.

How much CLO are you taking?  And what brand?  I tried taking liquid CLO once, but couldn't swallow it without gagging, so I'm taking 2 capsules of Carlson's DHA fish oil blend.  But I'm sure I'm missing out on some of the benefits specific to CLO.  At least it has enough DHA (and almost enough EPA) as the pediatrician wants me to take, so I guess that's the important part  ???  Did you decide when to add your Gr8ophilus in?

I'll have to look for the CO recipe you mentioned, as I love the stuff!!!!! 

This weekend was a hard one as far as wishing for no-no food goes.  I don't think anything really rose to the degree of cravings - maybe since I know that I've given it 22 days without cheating and I'm not about to make all that time "worthless."  But I kept thinking about sourdough bread and raw maple date shakes.  Sigh!!!  Every Saturday, I give myself an "acceptable treat" (something I wouldn't usually eat for the cleanse, but still isn't bad cleanse-wise), and yesterday I really felt like fruit and carob, so I sauteed a few handfuls of blackberries in CO and a spoonful of carob powder.  Very surprisingly...it tasted super yummy!!!  So I'm planning on the same treat for the end of this week.  I didn't get my skin brushes or baths in yesterday or today (again, weekends really throw me off kilter sometimes)  :(, but hope to bring them back full force tomorrow.

Gotta get some sleep!!!!!  Best of luck this week.
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: Jemima March 23, 2009, 10:19:45 AM
Well, today's been day 1 of the candida cleanse - in full force! Seems like I tend to be an all or nothing person... almost easier than just avoiding sugar.  Knowing it's only temporary, and has a specific goal.

Hasn't been the easiest, but not too bad, either. I just feel I can't eat anything!  :-[  It really seems like it's basically a salad diet.  But I haven't had any meat today, either, so salmon for supper will taste really good. I was pleasantly surprised that 2 boiled eggs with butter and salt, a cup of tea, and water and supplements was enough to hold me till lunch.  Lunch was a spinach salad with chopped boiled egg, green pepper, and a sprinkle of shredded cheese. (I'm just going to do the cheese sparingly, on occasion).

I am hungry now, and not sure what to eat... Fresh veggies are not appealing as that seems to be all I've eaten today.  Waiting to get some nuts for snacking. I think those will help a lot.

I'm taking a Tablespoon of liquid CLO daily. I should probably increase it. I hated the liquid kind too, but then I tried the mint flavored, (Twinlab brand) and it is very easy to take! My two little ones love it off the spoon, too!

Wow, I'm not taking all the supplements you are, Mamatoto! Just Candida Clear, Supermom, and Gr8dophilus, along with fresh crushed garlic.  But I'm sure they are a great extra boost! I would like to get some milk thistle, though.

How did your soup turn out? Mine is rather green. ;D I had to add one carrot in, just for a bit of color. I didn't have any meat on hand to add, but I hope to have some leftover chicken tomorrow I'll add.  I pretty much used everything I had for fresh veggies - leeks, cabbage, cauliflower, garlic...  And a handful of brown rice.

Well, I better move along... When I'm only on day one, it's very encouraging that you are on day 20, (or 21)!
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: Mamatoto March 23, 2009, 08:33:32 PM
Congratulations on successfully making through the first half of Day 1!  Did you find anything to snack on between lunch and dinner?  I think planning snacks is just as important as planning meals.  Was dinner hearty enough to satisfy you and leave you full?  I keep telling myself that there's no use thinking about all the things I can't eat - we have the rest of our lives to eat them.  So let's brainstorm some things we can snack on... Being the time-strapped person I am, I have the same snacks every day for a week, then switch.  Apparently I'm not too creative since I seem to have variations of the same thing week after week, and I admit it's getting boring, so I'll take any good ideas you might have and run with them!  I almost always have a nuts/seeds snack, a veggies/almond butter snack, and a brown rice product snack (ex: rice crackers with guacamole or puffed rice cakes with butter).  This week I decided to branch out and create a special treat, so this week's snacks are (1) pumpkin seeds (soaked, then sprinkled with tons of cayenne pepper, then dehydrated until they're super crispy) and soaked almonds, (2) celery, carrots, and green bell peppers dipped in almond butter, and (3) a super yummy raw food concoction I got from Serene Allison's raw food cookbook (from Above Rubies) that is basically veggies, spices, and nuts blended to a paste, then spread on nori sheets and dehydrated.  It sounds weird, but actually tasted really good!  Hhhmmm, what else?  If you are eating grapefruit and berries in moderation, maybe one of your snacks could be a small serving of one of those.  I'll see what else I can think of.  Do you have a dehydrator?

My biggest problem right now is the term "in moderation."  I think I'm supposed to be eating brown rice "in moderation," but last week I had 4 servings every day.  So this week my goal is 2-3 servings each day.  I'm going to sautee some chicken sausage with red bell peppers for breakfast tomorrow, so that eliminates 1 serving from my hot brown rice cereal.  Hopefully I'll be full  :)

As far as supplements go, it sounds like you've got the main ones, so you should be good to go.  I am still having trouble taking what is probably the most important one: the anti-yeast supplement.  I had mild stomach cramps for a couple hours today that I'm pretty sure are related to the half-dose I took this morning.  So I didn't take any more the rest of the day.  Problem is, I'm supposed to take three doses.  So I hope the diet is doing it's part, because I'm hesitant to up my doses until I can handle what I'm taking.  The weird thing is that I took Fungal Defense the couple weeks before starting the diet, so I don't know why I'm having problems now.  (Although these "problems" are much, much more manageable than the few times I took Candex.)  I hope I haven't wasted three weeks of diet because I wasn't taking this supplement.  :-\

My soup turned out pretty good - sounds like I did what you did and added a bunch of veggies and a little rice to some broth, but I also added chicken, too.  I think having the protein in it helps fill you up, even if it's just a little.  I seasoned it with a ton of curry powder (among other things) so that it wouldn't just taste like veggies. 

Well, today was a stressful day where there seemed to be way less hours in the day than I needed.  I haven't had a chance to take my hot bath and I need to get to bed ASAP, so I'm going to skip the bath again  :(.  I hope tomorrow I can make my external detoxing (and a reasonable bedtime) higher on my priority list.

Best of luck on Day 2!! 
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: Mamatoto March 25, 2009, 08:38:37 AM
I opted for a hot bath and halfway reasonable bedtime last night instead of getting online, so here's yesterday's belated post:

Good news #1: I am officially downgrading my cold-like symptoms to MILD  :)

Good news #2: My stomach cramps from taking Fungal Defense dropped from 2 hours to 1 hour in duration, and are manageable, so yesterday I upped my intake to 2 half doses  :)

Bad news #1: I am still having stomach cramps from my anti-candida supplement  :(

Bad news #2: I am fighting off a couple different yeast infections  :( All last week nursing was somewhat painful and reminded me of my nipple yeast infection three weeks after DS was born.  Thankfully, it didn't feel nearly that bad, but still somewhat painful.  Then Saturday and Sunday I felt perfectly fine...but Monday the pain came back.  It's not too bad, but I feel like it's a yeast infection in the making.  Also, I am fighting a vaginal yeast infection that has kept me up part of the night the past 2 nights.  Does this mean the cleanse isn't working?  Is working?  Or does it not mean anything?  Also, the yeast rash around DS's bum is getting smaller and lighter, but the rash in the front of his diaper area is still coming and going.

Jemima...how are you doing?? ??
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: wlwest March 26, 2009, 05:48:19 AM
Hi everyone.  I'm finally going to get rid of this candida.  I think it's the root of most of my health problems. 

I have one book, but I don't really like the recipes.  I saw at the beginning of this thread that you should look at the article how to successfully overcome candida but I couldn't find it?  I would like to have something to go by.  My book says no tinned tomatoes?  I thought tomatoes were Ok?  So for lunch I had rice with onions, chili powder, cayenne pepper powder, garlic powder, and a can of tomato paste.  We put it on flour tortillas, they didn't have any yeast or sugar, so i figured it was ok.  Although, I know they aren't healthy, from the store, I need to figure out how to make them I guess.

Anyway, then I had a handful of carrots.  so, was there anything wrong with that?

I also noticed that you aren't supposed to take probiotics in the beginning?  So, I should just take the yeast assassin?

Any help would be great, I'm not really sure how to start.  I know I can stick with this if I think I'm doing it right, but I won't stick with it if I feel like I keep messing it up.
Thanks
Wendy
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: Jemima March 26, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
Welcome, wlwest! This is quite the dietary adventure! :D  Have you read through some of the threads on candida, the diet, etc., on here? They get tedious, I know, but I feel like I've gleaned a lot of helpful info from them.

The diet plan I'm on is one of the strictest, I think. Basically no grains, (that includes your flours), no sugar in any form, no fruit, no potatoes, corn, beans, carrots, or other high sugar/high carb veggies, and no dairy. I think that's about it. Pretty much your diet is meat, veggies, nuts and eggs.  It has seemed almost impossible to eat that way to me, but I'm managing to do it! For 4 days, so far! Not very far along, but hey it's slowly working! I've allowed tiny amounts of blueberries, and brown rice so far, also. 
I'm taking a probiotic right now. Not sure on the timing, but I know it's not hurting anything.

Mamatoto - I think yeast flare-ups are part of the die-off! I'm sure it's not fun, :( but isn't it exciting to know the diet is working?! I think the yeast puts up a fight before it totally dies. ;D  I read that drinking a lot is supposed to help with not getting infections. Your good and bad news sounds like it's overall good news to me - symptoms of yeast die-off. 

I haven't noticed anything unusual yet. But I'm only on day 4.  I don't really WANT to have yucky symptoms, but yet it would be kind of nice to know things are working!  :-\  Only thing is that I seem to be getting a bowel cleanse.  :P Which is good, i guess.

I've had some harder sugar cravings yesterday and today. Doesn't help when you see good stuff in your cupboard you can't eat.  Stevia saved the day, along with a few frozen blueberries.

I had spaghetti squash last night - I've seen it okayed by some... not sure if it's totally a good thing right now or not. ...but it did taste awesome! Had tacos for the rest of the family, and I just put the ground beef on top of the squash, and it was really good.

Have you done much spinach salads? I've found them to be great, topped with a little chopped chicken, or a sprinkle of shredded cheese. I probably should just quit the cheese totally, even though I haven't been having much. It IS dairy.

What I'm worried about right now is that dh and I are going on a trip the end of next week. So... I'd be on about day 11, and I wanted to go for 2 wks, minimum.  I just know it's going to be really hard, when it'll be a fun getaway, to not get to eat any fun foods. I don't plan on just totally jumping off the bandwagon, but I think I'll have to allow somethings... like some fruit, or a piece of candy or dessert somewhere in there. Any thoughts on how I could do it, without making my hard-earned efforts wasted?

BTW, I think that is so awesome that your doing this while nursing, Mamatoto! It's going to be such a blessing to your baby. I wanted to, and tried a couple days, but felt my milk supply decreasing, and not getting enough to feed me and my babe. My two year old has some eczema patches, and frequent diaper rash, that make me think he may have yeast issues, too.  :'(  Maybe I should put him on this too.


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: Mamatoto March 26, 2009, 06:44:37 PM
So glad to hear you're recipes are working well and you haven't had unmanageable symptoms, Jemima!!  I'm especially happy you figured out a way to make taco night work :D I would count sugar cravings as a symptom, though, and think you should treat that as a sign it's already working.  Do you have the most recent Beeyoutiful catalog?  There is a good article on yeast that says, "Sugar is yeast's favorite food, and when yeast takes over, it demands, through your body's cravings, more and more sugar to satisfy its lust for the stuff."  So if your sugar cravings are increasing, I think that's a sign that the yeast in your body is feeling more and more deprived.  I'll have to think about strategies for your getaway weekend - let me sleep on it and hopefully I'll have some brilliant ideas in the morning  ;)

Welcome, wlwest!!  I agree with Jemima that the grains in your tortillas probably aren't the best for a yeast cleanse.  To be honest, I don't really understand the whys behind all the no-no foods.  Cutting out sugar and anything with natural sugars (fruit, honey, maple syrup, dairy) makes sense to me.  But I don't really understand why grains are a no-no.  It seems that they are, though, so just get ready to eliminate them for the next few weeks.  Admittedly, this makes cooking more difficult since grains often make up the bulk of my meals, but oh well!  I can eat grains any time I want once I'm done so I'm trying not to think about it too much.  If you don't like the recipes in your book, I'd suggest just trying to make up your own out of ingredients that you like.  You might read some of the past posts for meal ideas.  I think the KEY is meal planning and prepping and having things on hand ready to go so that you don't grab a no-no item just because it's the easiest thing and you're hungry, and also so that you don't end up staring at the cupboards wondering WHAT in the world you can eat  ;D Just try and figure out what you can eat that only includes "acceptable" items:  meat, fish, poultry, eggs, brown rice, non-starchy vegetables (hadn't heard about the carrot thing, and they are pretty sweet for a vegetable, so maybe I shouldn't be allowing those??), nuts (I'm only allowing almonds), seeds, and healthy fats (I'm allowing coconut oil, flaxseed oil, olive oil, goat's milk butter, and avocado - although on second thought maybe I shouldn't be doing avocado because it's a fruit??  It's in Maker's Diet Phase 1 under fats, though...)  I've been allowing tomatoes and tomato products (tomato sauce, tomato paste) because they're listed in Maker's Diet Phase 1 under vegetables, but maybe I shouldn't be doing those either because they're a fruit??  Anyone have any thoughts on these?  I would also recommend taking the probiotic right from the get-go.  It will start to build up the good bacteria in your gut, which will in turn help fight off the candida.  The first thing out pediatrician made sure of was that both DS and I had a good probiotic before we started.  If you have coconut oil and/or garlic, I would try using them as much as you can because they are anti-fungals (and candida is considered a fungus).  And if you have any raw apple cider vinegar, you may want to think about taking 1 T each day 5 minutes before eating a meal, as it helps with digestion and digestive enzymes.  I've read opposing viewpoints on anything fermented, so that's the only fermented thing I'm taking.

This week's main meals are a chicken vegetable soup and a buffalo "chili" that I adapted from a recipe in the most recent Beeyoutiful catalog.  For breakfast I've been filling up on chicken sausage and red peppers sauteed in coconut oil and ground flaxseed (seems to add some bulk), and topped with avocado.  Other than my taco salad in Week 1, I haven't done much on the salad front, as I have a hard time getting excited about vegetables when it's cold outside.  But maybe I'll add them into next week's meal plan since I'm running low on ideas.  Anyone have a good "acceptable" dip recipe I can use with raw veggies?  I'm getting tired of almond butter!!  I was thinking of some sort of tahini concoction since tahini is just sesame seeds... 

Jemima, I haven't actually tried this, but it may be a decent cheese substitute for your salads: In Serene raw cookbook, she has a recipe for "parmesan salad sprinkles" that is basically seeds ground up in a coffee grinder until they are the texture of grated parmesan cheese.  She suggests any of the following:  100% hulled sesame seeds, 100% sunflower seeds, 100% pumpkin seeds, 50% pine nuts 50% sesame seeds (not sure if you're allowing pine nuts), or 50% pine nuts 50% pumpkin seeds.  She also suggests adding a little bit of sea salt and pepper when grinding.  I'm not sure how much they'll taste like cheese, but they would give you some texture and bulk, as would ground flaxseed.  (Although it sounds like maybe you don't need any of that :P).

I've been feeling cotton-mouthy for the past few days and I just re-read in The Maker's Diet that that is a sign of thrush.  So it looks like my body is fighting yeast on three different levels   >:(  Also, I've been really tired during the middle of the day this week, but I'm not sure whether that's really tied to the cleanse, or maybe just because I've been getting to bed later than normal  ::)

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: wlwest March 27, 2009, 05:00:39 AM
Hello.  Well this is day 2 for me.  Had scrambled eggs with onions this morning.  Don't know what to eat for lunch yet??  I went to the chiro this morning, my 2nd visit.  It really helped with that migraine, only a little headache left, and a little sore neck.

Anyway, can i eat brown rice with tomato paste?  Or is the tomato paste a definite no no?  I guess I could just make a salad, I have homemade dressing, olive oil with braggs apple cider vinegar, with garlic, mustard powder, basil, and salt.

I need to sit down today and plan out some food, but I just haven't had time yet.  At least I'm not the only one doing this! :)

wendy

Well, I can't believe what I just did.  I was getting pretty hungry and looked in the fridge & found some chicken(not lunch meat, strips), that natural choice, no msg, etc.  I usually buy a couple packages of that .  so I'm eating away thinking this is great, just happened to turn the package over and saw some turbinado sugar in the ingredients!!  no wonder it's soo good!  Uggh.  well, a couple strips isn't that bad right? :(
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: rebeccahuff March 27, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
I am planning to start day one on Monday. (need to grocery shop and remove many grains from my house!)  The entire family will be joining me... but I am nursing. I asked on the nursing mama thread, but are any of you other moms nursing?
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: Jemima March 27, 2009, 03:39:40 PM
Whoo-hoo! I just made a little "dessert" tonight that tasted great and was guilt-free.  ;D I had a bad craving for something sweet - cookie, apple, anything.  So I got out my blender and started with a large handful of almonds, whizzed to powder.  Then I added about a tbsp of butter, a shake of stevia, a tbsp of cocoa, and blended some more. I shaped this into small balls and put them in the fridge. They are SO good!  8) I actually felt like I was eating a "cookie", even though it wasn't anything bad. Was fun to concoct, too!

Well, I'm finishing up day 5. It's so exciting to be this far! I had some minor deviations on the diet today - there was a dressing on the spinach salad at the restaurant we ate at tonight for supper, and I ate one pretzel when my kids were having a snack.  Hope those didn't set me back too much.  It's hard and easy at the same time. Seems like once you've got the ball rolling, so to speak, you don't really have a lot of desire for food that is off limits, just because you don't want to ruin it all.

I hope you're able to stave off getting full-fledged yeast infections, Mamatoto... I wonder if taking extra fresh garlic would help? Are you drinking a lot? I keep forgetting but I guess tea probably counts too, and I drink that.

Wlwest, I'm not sure on the tomato paste. I think I read tomatoes weren't the best, but I don't remember them being a big no-no, either.  ??? I haven't really been having any, just to be on the safe side, but if it was me, I wouldn't stress over it right now, if you are having trouble finding things to eat. Look it up on the "Foods to eat while fighting candida" thread, maybe.  Mamatoto's recommendation of meal planning is excellent, and I wholeheartedly agree. Even if you can only come up with a breakfast, lunch and supper plan for one day, you can repeat that till you think of more ideas.  Canned salmon and tuna are nice for lunch options...

Oh, I forgot to say, that I felt really good today! Just overall, my energy levels were high, my mood was good, and I just felt "sharp". That was nice! I think things are working. I KNOW they are, because even just going off sugar alone will help a person a lot in those ways. Anyhow, it's encouraging!

Welcome, Rebecca! You'll have to chat with Mamatoto on nursing and cleansing! :)
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: Mamatoto March 27, 2009, 07:03:43 PM
Oooh, Jemima - those sound tasty!  Maybe I'll try making a batch of those for my Saturday treat tomorrow.  I don't have cocoa, but I'm sure carob would substitute just fine.  I'm so happy that your energy level was so good today!  I remember your super sleepy post during your no-sugar "intro week."  As far as your getaway weekend, the only thoughts that came to mind today were (1) pack a ton of acceptable snacks and treats so that you always have something on hand to munch on, and (2) allow yourself a reasonable number of cheats (maybe 2 or 4), but make those cheats something healthy.  For example, I love lattes  :-*, so if it was me I would cheat on a latte sweetened with a little bit of honey and topped with powdered cinnamon and nutmeg.  Or maybe I would order a gourmet salad at a restaurant and just not worry about the croutons, garbanzo beans, currants, apples, goat cheese, or whatever else it was filled with.  That way you feel like you're indulging during your special weekend, but wouldn't be taking in any sugar and setting yourself back too much (not to mention the possibility that you may have a hard time getting back on track if the candida in your body gets a taste of true sugar  :P).

Wendy- Good grief!  :o Who would have thought to put sugar in chicken?  I wouldn't worry about it, though.  An honest mistake and it sounds like you didn't overdo it, so...moving right along.  Glad your adjustment helped your migraine!  Any luck with a meal plan?

Rebecca- Hi and welcome!  My 9-month old DS is still nursing exclusively, except for coconut oil and cod liver oil.  I ran ShabbyChic's 40-day diet and supplements past our holistic pediatrician and she made one or two tweaks to the supplements, but otherwise gave us the go-ahead.  Actually, she encouraged it because DS has some yeast issues that need to be cleared up.  I'm not sure how much of this thread you've read, but may want to browse from Reply #241 on, as that's when Jemima revived this thread and I've posted a few things about our journey so far.  Here are a few things our pediatrician specifically wanted us to do:  I need to take 100 billion in acidophilis/bifidus probiotics each day.  I need to take 1,000mg DHA and 600 mg EPA each day.  I need to take my activated charcoal supplement (couldn't find diatomaceous earth) separate from any food or supplement, as it can absorb the good stuff as well as the bad stuff.  DS needs to take 1 dose baby bifidus probiotic each day.  (He's using Garden of Life Primal Defense Kids.)  DS needs to take 1 t cod liver oil each day.  (She recommended either Carlson's or Nordic Naturals for purity, and prefers Carlson's because it has more vitamin D.)  DS needs to take coconut oil each day.  (1T per year of age, so at 9 months DS is taking 2 t.)   For his yeast diaper rash, am supposed to apply a mixture of coconut oil, roman chamomile essential oil, and tea tree essential oil to the rash.  (We are staying with my brother's wife's parents right now and I'm too nervous about using gentian violet and staining someone else's bathroom.)  Also, be careful of the ingredients in any anti-candida supplement you are taking, as many contain herbs that decrease milk supply.  As far as I know, Candex and Garden of Life Fungal Defense are ok, but I'm sure there are others out there, too.

Well, today was Day 27.  Cold symptoms are down to almost non-existent  ;D Stomach cramping is gone during the day, but still there at night, so I'm still holding steady at 2 half doses of Fungal Defense and hope to be able to increase that tomorrow.  Felt really hungry all day today, and not sure why, since my meals haven't changed this week, and I actually added a 4th snack today.  But I remember reading somewhere in this thread that hunger can be a symptom of die-off, since the candida are fighting for their lives and trying to convince your body to eat things they want you to eat.  DS had trouble nursing today - kept pulling off and crying, so I'm guessing that I do in fact have a yeast infection in my nipples.  I tried to increase my water to 14 cups today, but I couldn't do it.  So I'll try again tomorrow.  I think I'll follow Jemima's suggestion and increase my raw garlic intake to 2 cloves with breakfast and 2 cloves with dinner.  I already increased my cooked garlic intake this week, but I know that raw garlic is significantly more potent, so I'll up that too.  And I've been meaning to do garlic poultices, but haven't gotten around to that, either, so will make a point of starting them tomorrow as well.  And finally, I weighed myself at the chiropractor and have lost 4 pounds since starting the cleanse.  :( I hope it's 4 pounds of junk from my colon or something else that I needed to get rid of.  My clothes are now all too big for me and (1) I can't afford to buy new clothes, and (2) they don't sell clothes any smaller than my current size of 00 (which is one size smaller than 0).  Oh, well.  I guess there are worse problems than too-big clothes.  :-\ Seems like our symptoms changed a lot this week - before they were all cold-like symptoms, but now they're kind of all over the place.  However, I will say that they're all manageable and none of them are too overwhelming.

I was planning on doing my nightly dry skin brush and hot bentonite clay bath as soon as I was done on the computer, but DS has been sleeping really restlessly so far tonight (as he did last night) and I'm sure he'd wake up while I was in the tub and couldn't hear him.  So I think I'll just try and meal-plan in earshot of him before crawling into bed with him myself.  I am wondering if he's feeling icky or something cleanse-related, since it's unusual for him to be up every 1 1/2 hours like he was last night.  Hopefully tonight will be more restful! 

I'd love to hear about anyone's meal plans, as it's good inspiration for me when I feel like I'm running out of ideas  ;) I probably won't check in again until Sunday night.  So best of luck to Jemima and Wendy this weekend!
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: WellTellMommy March 27, 2009, 10:42:34 PM
Chutney's are a great thing to have on hand because you make it up in a Quart mason jar and it's ready made salad to serve when you are, it's great with any meat.
Ratatouille  is a good anti-candida meal too.
Are you using dairy? if so I've a cheese sauce with Broth,Garlic, and Cream cheese, or you could just use Plain yogurt left to drain over night for the Cr cheese that goes well with broccoli, cauliflower, or I used it with Eggplant cut like Lasagna noodles layered with spinach and chicken it turned out well,like Chicken Alfredo.
Try this Ground meat, garlic, Bell pepper, and onion, with oregano,thyme, sage, and rosemary,all cooked then roll it in cabbage leaves and put diced tomatoes(watch ingr. on can for sugar or make your own) over them and cover, Bake till cabbage leaf is tender.
Dh is a Meat & veggies guy that always works just alternate meats and two veggies for every meal that's often simpler for me.
Another thing I love is to make a meat and see how many many meals I can change it up into like Roast beef 1. with carrots and "mashed Potatoes" (cauliflower)
2. Beef Enchiladas (using leaves instead of tortillas), and scraps end up as
3. Vegi-beef soup 
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: rebeccahuff March 28, 2009, 04:24:20 PM

Rebecca- Hi and welcome!  My 9-month old DS is still nursing exclusively, except for coconut oil and cod liver oil.  I ran ShabbyChic's 40-day diet and supplements past our holistic pediatrician and she made one or two tweaks to the supplements, but otherwise gave us the go-ahead.  Actually, she encouraged it because DS has some yeast issues that need to be cleared up.  I'm not sure how much of this thread you've read, but may want to browse from Reply #241 on, as that's when Jemima revived this thread and I've posted a few things about our journey so far.  Here are a few things our pediatrician specifically wanted us to do:  I need to take 100 billion in acidophilis/bifidus probiotics each day.  I need to take 1,000mg DHA and 600 mg EPA each day.  I need to take my activated charcoal supplement (couldn't find diatomaceous earth) separate from any food or supplement, as it can absorb the good stuff as well as the bad stuff.  DS needs to take 1 dose baby bifidus probiotic each day.  (He's using Garden of Life Primal Defense Kids.)  DS needs to take 1 t cod liver oil each day.  (She recommended either Carlson's or Nordic Naturals for purity, and prefers Carlson's because it has more vitamin D.)  DS needs to take coconut oil each day.  (1T per year of age, so at 9 months DS is taking 2 t.)   For his yeast diaper rash, am supposed to apply a mixture of coconut oil, roman chamomile essential oil, and tea tree essential oil to the rash.  (We are staying with my brother's wife's parents right now and I'm too nervous about using gentian violet and staining someone else's bathroom.)  Also, be careful of the ingredients in any anti-candida supplement you are taking, as many contain herbs that decrease milk supply.  As far as I know, Candex and Garden of Life Fungal Defense are ok, but I'm sure there are others out there, too.

Thanks for all this great information. It seems overwhelming all the things there are to read about it.  My dd is 8 months old.  I really want to succeed because the entire family is going to do this at once and I don't want it to be a waste of effort.  We have so many yeast related problems, everyone from my dh down to my toddler. I haven't seen any problems in my 8 month old.  We're all reading all the posts! I hope I can be as dedicated as you all are! I know my children are going to miss homemade bread and honey!
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: linemansgirl March 28, 2009, 07:15:42 PM
I am also planning on starting an anti-yeast regimen on Monday.  I am currently nursing my 15mo dd, and am hoping to get pregnant again in the next few months.  I would first like to get rid of the yeast once and for all............ we will see.  This isn't my first time down this road, but I don't think I tried long and hard enough last time.  It is seems so much harder since I have been continually pregnant and/or nursing for the last 9 1/2 years.  I will probably be in the same boat for several more years, so waiting to not be pregnant and nursing just isn't an option.  Shabby sharing her regimen was very helpful.  I used to be on WTM quite a bit, but since dd #4 has arrived life just hasn't slowed down.  I dropped in and saw Shabby's thread and it gave me the nudge in the right direction that I needed!

The rest of my family will be joining me on my diet the day after Easter.  We have company coming this week and they will be here for a week and a half, so it would just be too hard to get everyone started until they are gone.  I am still trying to decide whether to make my 15mo start with me or wait for everyone else.  She has dry scaly patches on her cheeks that I am pretty sure are yeast related.

I am looking forward to getting started again and am glad that I will have the support here to help me keep on going!
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: Jemima March 30, 2009, 03:09:27 AM
Well, hello everyone...  Starting off a new week here!  :)

I have to start by confessing: I did terrible this weekend. Yesterday was the worst, I guess I didn't do too bad on Saturday. Maybe the yeast was dying and I was getting cravings from that - but I just wanted some good tasting food! Not necessarily junk food, but for example, the rest of the family had bbq chicken on homemade buns, with chips and baked beans... Yum! I wanted some so bad, but ate my spinach salad with chicken on top. It was good, but I was just getting sick of veggies.  And then we had some awesome fresh fruit in the house - and I love fruit! Honeydew melon for everyone else for breakfast, and I couldn't resist sneaking a few chunks! Then, the worst, was that I had small handful of c. chips later in the day!  :-[  :-X :'(
Ok, rebuke me severely. I did feel guilty. 

I'm back on track this morning, and feeling great, except for a little tickle in my chest - but there's a nasty bug going around, and I'm thinking it may be the start of that. Hoping I don't get it!

So, how did the rest of you do?

Welcome, linemansgirl!

I gotta run right now... Have a good day!
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: Mamatoto March 30, 2009, 05:25:21 AM
Wow - Our little group is growing by leaps and bounds!  Welcome, linemansgirl.  Rebecca and linemansgirl - it sounds like having the whole family doing the cleanse at the same time will be beneficial from a cooking perspective (only have to make one set of meals) and from a "not as hard to cheat" perspective (easier to cheat when no-no food is readily available, as Jemima has found out).  But I think it will be more difficult if/when everyone has nasty die-off symptoms at the same time, so may God strengthen you and prepare you for that.

Yesterday was day 29, and was a weird one.  The moment I dropped DS off at the church nursery, I started feeling so tired I could barely keep my eyes open.  This could be due to the fact that I am under tremendous amounts of stress (starting a new business and down to my last few dollars, still waiting for paying clients) and the hour church service without a baby was the first time in weeks that I wasn't going, going, going.  So I'm not sure whether to attribute it to the cleanse or not.  But as the day progressed I got more and more tired and felt more and more weak, periodically having to lay down on the floor just because standing up required too much energy.  So I went to bed at 8 and am staying home from the office today.  Today it'll be chamomile tea, chicken soup, and the BRAT diet (minus the B, A, and T).  Almost wondering if I should buy some Floradix for extra iron...but I'm eating 2-3 servings of protein each day, and one of them is always beef/buffalo/bison..??

Glad you're jumping right back on the bandwagon, Jemima.  Best of luck not giving in today.  The farther I get in the cleanse, the less likely it is I'll cheat because I don't want to waste all the time I've already put in.  Haven't cheated yet, but sometimes I'm not entirely consistent in my supplements (specifically the charcoal and anti-yeast supplements - really hope that's not negatively impacting my results).  So hopefully you'll get more and more resolve as time goes on.  How is everyone else doing?
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: linemansgirl March 30, 2009, 05:52:38 AM
Well, today is the day to get started!  I had Bee's Egg Drink for breakfast.  It was OK, nothing to write home about! :)   it isn't what I would want for breakfast every day, but would be OK a couple times a week.  My 3yodd really liked it, so it will be an easy way of getting CO into her! ;)  I am guessing that my 15 month old would probably like it too.  I would be hesitant about giving her the raw eggs, but they would be partially cooked with the boiling water.  Plus the eggs come from our own organic, free range chickens.

I hadn't really thought about everyone experiencing the yeast die-off at once!  We should be fine though.  We homeschool and stay pretty close to home, so we could take it easy if we are all feeling yucky.  My dh will have to go to work though, so hopefully he does OK. 

I ordered my supplements.  I already take NOW Special 2, NOW B Complex and CLO.  I will be adding CO and garlic, which I already have and was able to do today.  I ordered NSI Candida Yeast Management (the same thing as Candex except considerably cheaper), NSI Herbal Liver Support (It contains dandelion, mild thistle and a couple other safe for nursing and gentle cleansing herbs), NSI Probiotic 15 - 35 w/FOS (NutraFlora), and aloe vera capsules.  I will buy some raw pumpkin seeds from our co-op to properly soak and dry to snack on.  That is what I will start off with and I may reevaluate after a couple weeks.  I am buying oregano oil and clove oil to mix with CO and rub on the bottoms of my girls' feet, so I will probably rub it on my own feet too! :D

It sounds like you are doing great Mamatoto!!!!  I hope that you feel better soon!

Keep going Jemima!  It is so hard, but will be so worth it!

Good luck with getting your family started Rebecca!  I will be on my own for the next two weeks, then my family will join me!
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: rebeccahuff March 31, 2009, 02:10:01 AM
I am also planning on starting an anti-yeast regimen on Monday.  I am currently nursing my 15mo dd, and am hoping to get pregnant again in the next few months.  I would first like to get rid of the yeast once and for all............ we will see.  This isn't my first time down this road, but I don't think I tried long and hard enough last time.  It is seems so much harder since I have been continually pregnant and/or nursing for the last 9 1/2 years. 

I know what you mean...it seems like I am always pregnant or nursing, so kinda hard to stick to, and hard to read through all the threads, but I am really trying this time.

I started Monday and have to read more to figure out how to eat w/o consuming too much meat.  We had eggs with spinach an doninons for breakfast, salmon and eggs with kale for lunch, and went to my aunts for dinner and had broccoli, chicken and salad.  That's 3x more meat than I usually eat in a WEEK. Gross. My entire family is on it....well, my 9 and 11 year old "accidentally" ate ketchup last night. :)

My toddler is a bread lover...he was begging for crackers all day long. It made me feel terrible. But I persisted. This morning he doesn't feel well. He kind of coughed/threw up a mucousy looking clump of stuff. Now he says his head hurts. (almost 3) Does anyone have experience with this? I mean all he ever eats usually is carbs. Potatoes, grains, granola type bars, etc. We don't eat white sugar, but he has plenty of honey, etc.

I felt GREAT all day yesterday, so I think it was like properly combining for me, but we'll see how today is. So far so good, for me. One day down, how many to go?????

Thanks for all the suggestions, and research ya'll have done.
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: linemansgirl March 31, 2009, 04:03:54 AM
It sounds like you had a great first day Rebecca!

I had moments when I had a slight headache and felt irritable.  It was usually fixed by eating a snack.  I woke up covered in sweat in the middle of the night last night.  BUT..... I lost 5 lb yesterday!!!!!!  I am sure that most of it was water weight, because I made sure to eat plenty.  I both lose and gain weight very easily.  Since November I have gained back 15 of the lb. that I lost after dd#4 was born.  Weight loss isn't my main goal, but is a nice bonus!  I would like to lose 20-25 lb, but hope to not go lower than that because dh doesn't want me to. 

I am working on gathering up recipes before all of my family starts.  I am fine with monotony, but dh won't be!  Last week I made kale chips from this recipe - http://www.bigredkitchen.com/2009/03/salt-and-vinegahkale-chips.html (http://www.bigredkitchen.com/2009/03/salt-and-vinegahkale-chips.html)  My two youngest daughters and I loved them!  My dh bought a couple bunches of kale for me last night to make them again.  I use Bragg's ACV, but I still can't decide whether to just skip it and season them otherwise.  I don't have a long time to do this, so I want to do it right while I can!
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: Mamatoto March 31, 2009, 04:27:29 AM
Jemima- I forgot to write yesterday that overall, I would pat yourself on the back for a good weekend.  You indulged in honeydew :) and chocolate chips :( BUT you held strong against yummy BBQ meal ;D ;D ;D 

Rebecca- Are you eating brown rice?  If so, you might look for some puffed rice cakes or brown rice crackers for your toddler to snack on.  Unfortunately, most rice crackers I've found have other unacceptable ingredients (in general, not just cleanse-wise), but I was able to find a couple decent options.

Linemansgirl- I love your idea to rub oregano oil and clove oil on your feet!  I may have to try it myself.

Wendy- How are you?

As for me... After a day of resting (as much as is possible with a 9-month old) and napping, I feel much better today!  My biggest challenge going into the homestretch is coming up with snacks.  I was doing pretty good until last Saturday, when I decided that I was so sick of eating almonds, seeds, and chopped veggies that I didn't want to eat them again for a very, very long time.  In fact, I literally couldn't make myself swallow the snacks I brought to the office, so went hungry for most of the day.  So this week I tried to be super creative with my snacks: a roasted pumpkin seed dip for my crackers; a carrot sunflower seed dip for my veggies; and more veggie/seed/nori crackers, but this time with guacamole and "sour cream" to top them with.  I made a raw almond-based sour cream and, while it's definitely not nearly as good as the real stuff, it's not bad for a substitute.  The problem is that all these things take time to prep and make, and since DS and I are in the office Monday through Saturday, that leaves Sunday to get all my food ready for the week - and this Sunday I felt horrid.  Oh well, that's behind me and hopefully this week's snacks will be better than last week's.  Jemima- What have you been snacking on? 
 
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: Mamatoto March 31, 2009, 04:33:58 AM
Last week I made kale chips from this recipe - http://www.bigredkitchen.com/2009/03/salt-and-vinegahkale-chips.html (http://www.bigredkitchen.com/2009/03/salt-and-vinegahkale-chips.html)  My two youngest daughters and I loved them!  My dh bought a couple bunches of kale for me last night to make them again.  I use Bragg's ACV, but I still can't decide whether to just skip it and season them otherwise.

I just read this (must have been typing while you posted) and they sound yummy!  I"m putting them on the list for next week's snacks  8)
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: wlwest March 31, 2009, 05:11:16 AM
Hi everyone, well, I didn't do so good over the weekend.  :P  Friday night was my mom's birthday, and well, I had to have a piece of cake, so I figured I might as well have a chicken sandwich as well.  But, I didn't like the cake, does that count? :D  It seemed so sweet and yucky to me, I only ate a few bites.

But, over the weekend was really hard to keep it up, things always come up, and we end up going out for breakfast or whatever. 

I'm trying to come up with some different ways to do this.  I thought I saw someone on the Makers' Diet?  I've looked at it several times, would that work for candida?  I would love something to go by. 

I know we're not supposed to have cheese, but I had mozzerella cheese with tomato slices, basil, and homemade dressing drizzled on it.  I just love that.

Oh, I've been taking cod liver oil, does that make your stomach upset?  Because my stomach just feels upset, and I'm thinking it may be from that.  On the upside, I don't have much of an appetite because of it. ;)

wendy
Oh, should I keep taking the yeast assasin even when I didn't follow the diet? 
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: rebeccahuff March 31, 2009, 08:26:10 AM

Rebecca- Are you eating brown rice?  If so, you might look for some puffed rice cakes or brown rice crackers for your toddler to snack on.  Unfortunately, most rice crackers I've found have other unacceptable ingredients (in general, not just cleanse-wise), but I was able to find a couple decent options.

As for me... After a day of resting (as much as is possible with a 9-month old) and napping, I feel much better today!  My biggest challenge going into the homestretch is coming up with snacks.  I was doing pretty good until last Saturday, when I decided that I was so sick of eating almonds, seeds, and chopped veggies that I didn't want to eat them again for a very, very long time.  In fact, I literally couldn't make myself swallow the snacks I brought to the office, so went hungry for most of the day.  So this week I tried to be super creative with my snacks: a roasted pumpkin seed dip for my crackers; a carrot sunflower seed dip for my veggies; and more veggie/seed/nori crackers, but this time with guacamole and "sour cream" to top them with.  I made a raw almond-based sour cream and, while it's definitely not nearly as good as the real stuff, it's not bad for a substitute. 


Ok, I didn't know we could have brown rice??? Carrots? Almonds?  Is there just various levels of the diet? I am reading TONS of information, but I printed out Bee's Candida Diet Shpping List (www.healingnaturallybybee.com) to take to the grocery store with me. It's not on there. My toddler's favorite grain (besides wheat) is oatmeal. He will eat a lot of oatmeal with just butter and salt.  He seems to be feeling much better now. I made him some ginger tea to sip. He ate a bowl of Nutritional Yeast Flakes with a spoon. (we usually put it on popcorn, but I got rid of that!) He just shook some salt into the bowl and started eating it.  I read on Bee's website that you should supplement with NYFlakes so I figured it was ok. She said to put it in a glass of water and drink it, but he was drinking water with it.

Here's the reassuring part. My 9 yr old dd started feeling dizzy and wobbly (sounded like a drunk or hangover feeling to me) and later she threw up.  She ate some soup I made and she feels fine now.

I am pretty certain that these were yeast related events, because we all usually eat bread with every single meal.  (bad, I know...but I justified it b/c it was homemade whole wheat, fresh ground, but not soaked...need to work on that) annnnnnyhow, big granola eaters, lots of honey, maple syrup, etc. we all have various yeast related problems from skin conditions to joint pain, fatigue... but I really do think we all have it. I have heard the spit test is unreliable, but we all FAILED it....so I am pretty confident we all have a yeast problem.

So far today:
Breakfast:
chlorophyll in water
2 boiled eggs
Lunch:
Homemade soup: recipe:
2 jars homecanned tomatoes/juice
1 bag mixed bell pepper slices frozen
1 bag frozen green beans cut
2 pounds of our home grown, slaughtered beef :o)
1 onion sauteed with the beef
Italian herbs we dried last summer
Sea Salt
Black pepper
After I simmered it all for a little while, when I dished it up, I sprinkled a tablespoon of Nutritional Yeast Flakes and  a tablespoon of coconut oil on it. Oh my. It was sure good!!!!

For supper we are having collard noodles, spaghetti squash and ribs... My meat loving 17 yr old dd is in heaven! She is loving all the meat.

I've been drinking lots of Bee's electrolyte drink (I love the taste, it reminds me of gatorade).  I also already took Digestive Enzymes and Betaine/Pepsin with every meal b/c I was tested and produce little to no stomach acid.

My dh is lying down b/c he feels so tired and heavy footed. It's weird how fast you start to feel bad. Well, that just convinces me to keep going. My only fear is a bad reaction in my 8month old dd.

I love all the honesty on this thread, btw!
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: rebeccahuff March 31, 2009, 08:47:47 AM
It sounds like you had a great first day Rebecca!

I had moments when I had a slight headache and felt irritable.  It was usually fixed by eating a snack.  I woke up covered in sweat in the middle of the night last night.  BUT..... I lost 5 lb yesterday!!!!!!  I am sure that most of it was water weight, because I made sure to eat plenty.  I both lose and gain weight very easily. 

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lucky! I never had problems with weight issues until about 6 years ago. Then I was only looking at maybe 5-10 pounds overweight. But the last two babies I have kept about 15 pounds per baby. So I reallly need to lose about 35-45 pounds I guess.  I weigh 165, but I have a small frame and I feel the weight in my knees and hips mostly.  I really need to lose it. I have never kept it on around my middle until the last 6 months. I have gained 5 lbs since my baby was born...so I know something is going wrong. I am hoping that I will clear up some issues with this while doing the candida diet, but that's not my main focus.  My husband is a "forever thin" type, so I live with it ::)
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: linemansgirl March 31, 2009, 09:11:45 AM

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lucky! I never had problems with weight issues until about 6 years ago. Then I was only looking at maybe 5-10 pounds overweight. But the last two babies I have kept about 15 pounds per baby. So I reallly need to lose about 35-45 pounds I guess.  I weigh 165, but I have a small frame and I feel the weight in my knees and hips mostly.  I really need to lose it. I have never kept it on around my middle until the last 6 months. I have gained 5 lbs since my baby was born...so I know something is going wrong. I am hoping that I will clear up some issues with this while doing the candida diet, but that's not my main focus.  My husband is a "forever thin" type, so I live with it ::)

Well, not really lucky.  I weighed 265 :o a week after dd#4  was born, 15 months ago.  I got down to 170 by the beginning of October, but since around Thanksgiving my weight has crept back up to a high of 188.5 yesterday morning.  I almost croaked when I climbed on the scale! :D  I weighed 190 when I got married, and my dh really likes me to not get a lot lower than 170.  I am 5'8" with a larger frame.  Ironically enough he is 6' and weighs 165, also forever thin! ::)  He said that if I want to get a bit lower so that I am happy with myself, that is fine.  I would like to get down to being able to wear all of my 12's, that is about perfect for my frame.  I lost weight after my oldest dd was born and got WAY too skinny.  My dh and my mom do not want to see that happen again!  So really part of my main focus is the weight loss in a way.  I have MAJOR sugar cravings and end up eating WAY too much because of that.  It can be homemade granola bars with honey, it doesn't have to be 'bad' food.  I am really hoping to get rid of the cravings for sugar.

Today I am feeling a bit yucky.  My nose is constantly running, I am sure that it is a die-off reaction.  I am keeping a daily journal on the way that I feel.  I am hoping that it will help me to know when the yeast is gone.

ETA- I don't want to make it sound like my dh bosses me around or complains about my weight.  He has NEVER done that and tells me that he thinks I am beautiful no matter what I weigh.  I just have been asking him, because I want to please him more than anyone else! ;)
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: rebeccahuff March 31, 2009, 11:22:47 AM

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lucky! I never had problems with weight issues until about 6 years ago. Then I was only looking at maybe 5-10 pounds overweight. But the last two babies I have kept about 15 pounds per baby. So I reallly need to lose about 35-45 pounds I guess.  I weigh 165, but I have a small frame and I feel the weight in my knees and hips mostly.  I really need to lose it. I have never kept it on around my middle until the last 6 months. I have gained 5 lbs since my baby was born...so I know something is going wrong. I am hoping that I will clear up some issues with this while doing the candida diet, but that's not my main focus.  My husband is a "forever thin" type, so I live with it ::)



Well, not really lucky.  I weighed 265 :o a week after dd#4  was born, 15 months ago.  I got down to 170 by the beginning of October, but since around Thanksgiving my weight has crept back up to a high of 188.5 yesterday morning.  I almost croaked when I climbed on the scale! :D  I weighed 190 when I got married, and my dh really likes me to not get a lot lower than 170.  I am 5'8" with a larger frame.  Ironically enough he is 6' and weighs 165, also forever thin! ::)  He said that if I want to get a bit lower so that I am happy with myself, that is fine.  I would like to get down to being able to wear all of my 12's, that is about perfect for my frame.  I lost weight after my oldest dd was born and got WAY too skinny.  My dh and my mom do not want to see that happen again!  So really part of my main focus is the weight loss in a way.  I have MAJOR sugar cravings and end up eating WAY too much because of that.  It can be homemade granola bars with honey, it doesn't have to be 'bad' food.  I am really hoping to get rid of the cravings for sugar.

Today I am feeling a bit yucky.  My nose is constantly running, I am sure that it is a die-off reaction.  I am keeping a daily journal on the way that I feel.  I am hoping that it will help me to know when the yeast is gone.

ETA- I don't want to make it sound like my dh bosses me around or complains about my weight.  He has NEVER done that and tells me that he thinks I am beautiful no matter what I weigh.  I just have been asking him, because I want to please him more than anyone else! ;)

Well, from your picture, I'd say you are one beautiful mama!!!!  I have never been able to lose weight easily, no matter what I have tried. Although, I have to say, I probably didn't ever try antyhing long enough. I, like you, have sugar cravings, but eat "healthy" sweets, like granola bars made with honey, or just spoonfuls of honey, or molasses on everyhing, and I justify it by saying it's healthy. Also, I eat too much. 

My nose was also running like crazy today.  Just out of the blue, it would be like a faucet.  I am tired. VERY tired, not sleepy, just fatigued.

I know what you mean about pleasing your husband, I didn't take that the wrong way. I too, want to please my husband, and he will say what he likes if I ask him, but would never be demanding really. He's awesome! He is sooooooo on board with me when I try to do something like this. He even asked me to print out and laminate the Candida Diet OK list so he could carry it in his vehicle in case he stopped at the grocery store to get us some food or whatever. So, I laminated a list for him and one for myself. 

Thankfully, my mom asked for a list (for when the children spend the night with her).  I went to my aunts to eat last night and she only made foods we could eat, no potatoes or bread, like usual.  Although , she made some kielbasa sausage that I am quite certain would have sugar AND MSG in it, but didn't think about it until after I had already eaten a few bites of it.   So, it's looking like my family will support us (but I"m sure they're talking about how weird we are when we're not around!)...that helps, b/c that is one of the major reasons I prefer NOT to live too close  ;)

I am determined to stay focused on this diet. 
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: Mamatoto March 31, 2009, 08:45:25 PM
Wendy- I'd definitely give yourself kudos for disliking your mom's birthday cake ;) I've pretty much been off sugar for over 2 years, and when I do give in to a craving and have some I always seem to get really sick and promise myself there's no way I'll have any more because I don't ever want to feel like that again ::) I'm sure the Maker's Diet would be beneficial for candida, but it's not necessarily an anti-candida diet, per se.  I've pretty much been eating Phase 3 for the past 2 years and still have the same candida issues I had before I started.  But then again, I never went through all 3 phases.  If you are looking for a specific book to follow, you might want to check out "Lifeforce" by Jeffrey S. McCombs.  I bought it a few years back because Kevin Trudeau recommended it, but wasn't quite ready at that point to give up bread for longer than a few hours :P I don't have it handy (still in storage from my recent move to Colorado), so I can't give you the low down on it, but if you go onto Amazon.com you can read parts of the book to see if it's something you feel would help you.  Also, I'd keep on taking Yeast Assasin regardless of whether you're on the diet just because it's doing SOME good, even if it's not as much good as a full diet with supplements would be.  Just my opinion, but HTH.

Rebecca- It seems like every anti-candida plan I've looked at it a little bit different.  I hadn't looked at Bee's food list until after your post, and it looks like my plan includes a few foods that she doesn't allow.  But she also allows quite a few foods that my plan doesn't.  And if I remember correctly, the Lifeforce plan is different from both.  You'd think the same things would be bad for candida regardless of who put the plan together...??  I'm basically doing ShabbyChic's cleanse from the "Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse" thread.  It's basically the Maker's Diet Phase 1, minus dairy, minus fruit, minus lentils, minus honey, minus anything fermented, plus brown rice.  At the end of 40 days, if I still feel that the candida isn't all the way gone, I think I'll compare all the different diets and just eat the foods that are allowed by ALL of them until I think it's gone.  9 days to go until I have to make that decision...  Also, just wanted to say that it's AWESOME your husband is so supportive of the cleanse.  And it's amazing to me how much of a reaction your family is already having, Rebecca.  That's fantastic (in a morbid sort of way):)

Today DS started getting mild cold symptoms again!  I guess the past few days were just a lucky break.  Also, he cried (no, screamed) all day and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was wrong.  Not sure whether to chalk it up to feeling icky from the cleanse, but why not?  Also, the past week he has been sleeping really restlessly at night - waking up every 1/2 hour to 1 1/2 hours.  The last chunk of time he woke up that much was from 4 1/2 months to 7 months, when he got 8 teeth in 2 1/2 months.  But could this be teething again?  Is 9 months too early for molars?  It doesn't look like his gums are swollen... So is this the cleanse, too?  I almost gave him some sleep tincture tonight, but then realized that it's half alcohol and half glycerine, and wouldn't the glycerin be a no-no for a candida cleanse???  Just a guess because it's so sweet - does anybody know?  And finally, the red ring that was lightening and getting smaller is back to bright red and its original size.  So I'm not sure if that means the yeast are standing firm or just giving up a big fight before they're all dead.

As far as my symptoms, all my yeast infections seem to be dissipating - not gone yet but all getting better.  Yeah!!  Hopefully I've seen the worst of it.  Foodwise, my snack dips were good, but crackers are still crackers and sliced veggies are still sliced veggies :( Amazing how I can eat sourdough bread and/or cinnamon raisin Ezekiel bread toast every day for years and still want more, but a month of vegetables, etc. leaves me sick of them :-[

Still have lots to do tonight (hard to get much done when DS is waking up so often) but if I don't go to bed now, tomorrow will be really rough.  Haven't done my dry skin rubs or hot baths for a few days because I'm afraid DS will wake up as soon as I get in the bathroom and I won't hear him.  But then again I haven't taken showers for the same reason, so it's not like I'm just slacking on the cleanse :-[ Maybe tomorrow...??
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: rebeccahuff April 01, 2009, 01:53:40 AM

Rebecca- It seems like every anti-candida plan I've looked at it a little bit different.  I hadn't looked at Bee's food list until after your post, and it looks like my plan includes a few foods that she doesn't allow.  But she also allows quite a few foods that my plan doesn't.  And if I remember correctly, the Lifeforce plan is different from both.  You'd think the same things would be bad for candida regardless of who put the plan together...??  I'm basically doing ShabbyChic's cleanse from the "Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse" thread.  It's basically the Maker's Diet Phase 1, minus dairy, minus fruit, minus lentils, minus honey, minus anything fermented, plus brown rice.  At the end of 40 days, if I still feel that the candida isn't all the way gone, I think I'll compare all the different diets and just eat the foods that are allowed by ALL of them until I think it's gone.  9 days to go until I have to make that decision...  Also, just wanted to say that it's AWESOME your husband is so supportive of the cleanse.  And it's amazing to me how much of a reaction your family is already having, Rebecca.  That's fantastic (in a morbid sort of way):)

Thanks for clarifying that! I don't want to have to do this over again. I feel like, pardon my French, CRAP, this morning. I feel like I have the flu or some form of extreme fatigue...my arms feel like dead weights.  The only reason I am in here on my computer is because my almost 3 year old is throwing up again this morning.  Is this really candida related? I am wondering if I should give him oatmeal or brown rice or something to keep him from being sick???? I am freaking out a little bit about that.  No one else is throwing up today but:
DH perfectly fine
ME ~ like a train wreck (light headed, dizzyish, hot and sweaty, weak, limbs feel like lead, just a bad overall feeling)
dd 17 very tired
dd 13 feels fine but not great
ds 11 feels very tired
dd 10 feels better, yesterday she was throwing up and tired
ds almost 3 throwing up
dd 8 months ok....

I remember trying to give up sugar and grains once a few years back and feeling this way but thinking it was some kind of blood sugar imbalance. I gave in and ate some bread/honey b/c I thought I was going to die. I guess it feels kind of like that. I guess that means I really do have candida and I really am doing something to it... do ya'll think so? I feel pretty yucky. I don't want to be killing myself and making my family miserable for nothing!

Snack dips sound good!  Maybe I need some of those. We're all getting tired of eggs already. I don't want to over do the meats, so not much left. I am definitely planning to make some of those kale chips.

Hope everyone else is doing great today.  I'm going to spend some time relaxing, (as much as I can with 6 kids at home) knitting, reading, and napping, I hope!
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: AndysJess April 01, 2009, 04:07:44 AM
Hey girls!!  I'm joining your little group if that's ok.  I won't be officially starting til Fri...DH is going out of town and it's so much easier to do a diet like this when he is gone.  He's really supportive, but if he decides he wants a coke, etc...I have no willpower :P

Anyways, after being out of supermom for over 6 months, I got some in the mail yesterday.  I took one in the afternoon then again right before I went to bed...within an hour of taking it, my nose was running and I had a headache.  I remember feeling major detox symptoms the first time I took it a few years ago.  Today and tomorrow, I'm just going to drink tons of water and keep up with the supermom.  I need to order Yeast Assassin and probiotics.  Also coconut oil...

I need to lose about 30-35 lbs...I'm with a lot of you on here.  Hubby doesn't want me to get too small.  He likes me to have some curves...lol.  I just have a few too many curves right now.  A few weeks ago, I went on a super low carb diet (low carb, low cal, good fats).  The first few days were miserable but then I felt great.  I lost 6 lbs really fast...probably water.  Then, of course, I went to see family in AZ and you can guess what happened :-\

I'm going to do a variation of that diet starting Fri.  So, here I am!!!
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: linemansgirl April 01, 2009, 04:29:01 AM
Ugh!  I am feeling terrible this morning too!  Pretty much exactly the way that you feel Rebecca!  Sorry that you feel so awful too!  By the way, you are a definitely a beautiful mama too! ;D  I had a hard time getting to sleep last night because my hips were hurting.  My 15mo is teething and wanted to nurse quite a bit in the night.  I feel exhausted and fluish this morning.  I was lying in bed earlier this morning wondering if I was going to throw up, but the nausea went away after a while.  I have been rather surprised by this!  I have done an anti-yeast diet in the past that wasn't nearly as strict and I didn't feel anything like this!  Obviously this is working and I need to persevere!  I must confess I am tempted to eat a bit of brown rice or millet to slow things down a bit, but I probably won't.

You are doing such a wonderful job Mamatoto!  The food may be getting monotonous, but forty days are almost here!!!!!!!!!!  I hope that your son feels better soon.  It is so hard when you can't figure out how to comfort them.

Welcome AndysJess! :)
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: rebeccahuff April 01, 2009, 11:05:14 AM
Obviously this is working and I need to persevere!  I must confess I am tempted to eat a bit of brown rice or millet to slow things down a bit, but I probably won't.


Thankfully I'm not the only person who feels like this, cause I was starting to wonder if I was overdoing it! I'm glad (sic) that you are feeling bad too. 

I too am contemplating the millet and brown rice, and oats, which my DH read were good to help eliminate toxins and keep your digestion moving.  Mostly, I am thinking of adding it b/c my toddler has done nothing but lie around and also had thrown up two mornings in a row.

We'll see how it goes. Keep up the good work!
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: Mamatoto April 01, 2009, 06:02:01 PM
Reading everyone's posts today reminds me of how I felt right at the beginning.  My initial thought was, "Oh, I'm coming down with something and there's no way I should do a cleanse if I'm sick...maybe I should stop and then re-start when I feel better."  But then I remembered from reading through all the posts on this and two other candida threads here that that's what everyone seems to think right at the beginning.  And it's definitely not random that everyone just happens to get the flu after starting a candida cleanse - so it's the cleanse that's actually causing the sickness.  But I will say I am so surprised that your children are throwing up, Rebecca.  I would venture a guess that their little bodies are affected more by die-off/starvation than our bigger ones just because they are littler, because I can't imagine in their shorter lives they would have worse candida problems.  But I guess there's just no way to know and everyone's body is different.  It WILL get better, but the hard part is not knowing exactly when.  I can certainly feel for you mamas wanting to make this at least bearable for the little ones, and only you can decide how to do that.  But also keep in mind that slowing things down only prolongs things, so make sure you weigh that in the balance.  You might try other ways to help their bodies get rid of toxins: hot baths so they sweat a little (obviously you can't get too hot with real little ones - maybe turning the bathroom into a sauna and sitting in it for a while would help?), making sure they drink enough water so are peeing a lot, making sure they are having regular bowel movements, etc.  I personally would have had a hard time choosing to do a diet with absolutely no grains because I wonder if I could get all the appropriate nutrients for my breast milk without anything at all.  (Not that brown rice is overflowing with nutrients, but it's at least something.)  I do think that bigger bodies can handle more abnormal things, probably because we've beat them around for years and they're more used to being abused.  Enough rambling...  I'm so glad to hear that the detox symptoms aren't challenging your resolve.  They certainly do mean that there's something in there that needs detoxing!!

As for us, DS's runny nose is gone already - that was quick!  But now I'm a little stuffy and one of the lymph nodes in my throat is swollen - this happened the first two weeks of the cleanse and got so bad at times it was really, really painful to swallow anything.  So I hope this isn't a flash-back to that.  As soon as I'm done here, I'm going to do a garlic poultice on my chest to see if that won't help.  I've been meaning to add them in, but the thought of more painful lymph nodes is enough to actually get me to do it.  The Fungal Defense is still making my stomach hurt, so I'm holding steady at 3 half-doses.  I'm too chicken to up it to the full 3 doses, since logistically I can't allow myself be in so much pain that I can't move, because then I can't get to the office.  Maybe I'll start brewing some ginger-licorice tea when I take my first dose of the day - might help the tummy upset.  I'm also trying to rearrange when I take all my supplements because I'm starting to get nauseous in the morning after taking so many pills.  Also, I just couldn't bring myself to eat most of my snacks today because I was just so sick of them, so all that time spent making dips went down the drain.  For whatever reason, I wasn't overly hungry during the day even though I wasn't eating as much, but at dinner I became ravenous and gorged myself on chicken and rice, and now my stomach is feeling icky.  Hopefully my nightly cup of hot herbal tea and lemon will help a little...??  Not sure what happened to my self control!?!

Oh, a heads up to other nursing mamas: I have had a problem with plugged ducts ever since DS was born (usually every 2 weeks or so), but I am usually able to get rid of them in a day.  However, after starting the cleanse I noticed that they are more painful and are lasting longer.  We discussed them recently at a La Leche League meeting and I learned that a diet high in saturated fat can cause plugged ducts.  My diet has always been pretty high in saturated fats, and I'm not willing to cut them because I feel the health benefits outweigh the pain of the plugged ducts.  But because I have made a conscious effort to up my coconut oil and other fats during the cleanse, I think I've made the problem worse.  Just wanted to give you a heads up that you may start having problems, so you may want to brush up on some of the ways you can relieve the pain and get rid of a plug as soon as possible.
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: linemansgirl April 02, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
I started feeling much better yesterday evening and this morning I feel pretty much normal.  YAY!!!!  I did not succumb to the temptation to eat something to slow things down, and now I am glad that I didn't.  My daughter is not exclusively breastfed anymore, so I am not concerned about her getting everything she needs from nursing.  Even if I was, I really think that she would be getting everything that she need without the grains, but that's JMHO! :)  I have lost 10 lb :o already!  I have been eating a ton and keeping my fats way up.  The only way I know of to slow it down would be to add some carbs in which I don't want to do.  I am eating almonds and pumpkin seeds which I had originally planned on staying away from at first.  I am guessing that my weight loss will slow down to a more reasonable rate now.

Thank you for a heads up on the plugged milk ducts.  This is my first baby that I have had any problems with that, so I will keep a watch for it!
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: wlwest April 02, 2009, 05:56:14 AM
Hi everyone.  Well, I hadn't been doing the diet all that well.  I decided to wait until I got the books I ordered, The yeast connections cookbook and the the yeast connection book.  The were very good.

It's still a little confusing.  So, are any of you eating tortillas?  I'm assuming they are ok if there is just the water, flour(or whatevergrain)?  There isn't any yeast, or sugar, so I've been eating them.  I plan to make my own once the store bought package is gone.  I just can't throw food out. :)

And, I'm still going with the tomato paste with the brown rice.  There's no sugar in that either, so I figure it's safe. 

So, today I'm really going to commit.  I have a cookbook now to at least help me figure some things out, and I would love to lose about 10-15lbs.  With each child(4) I seemed to have kept 5 lbs.  I would like to fit into my clothes more comfortably. ::)

In the book it says to change the diet first, and then do the supplements.  But I'm just starting right out doing everything, is that ok?  I started taking yeast assasin, tummy tune-up, and I also take Bone Ami.  Should that be all I need?  I also have grapefruit seed extract, and I have some oregenol oil, but that's already in the yeast assasin.  Of course, I always eat garlic whenever I can,  I love it.

Ok, I'm just rambling.  It's getting warm outside (yippee)  so I am going to take the kiddos for a walk.

Oh, one more question, I would like to change the kiddos diets too, but without eliminating any fruit.  I'm thinking they probably have some yeast, but would it help them just by cutting out refined sugars, and as much yeast as possible, and just making sure they have some probiotics? 

The kids get alot of garlic oil, whenever I see any signs of sickness, so I know that must help.  My dh says he always knows when they might be sick, because they smell like pizza. :D

Ok, hope everyone has a good day
wendy
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: Mamatoto April 02, 2009, 08:49:44 PM
My confession for the day: I only drank 6 cups of water, took none of my supplements, and again skipped the dry skin brush and bentonite clay bath.  Not exactly sure why I think this cleanse will work if I can't stay on top of my supplements  :-\ But I now officially have one week left, so I am determined to make it a good one and stay on top of everything every day.  DS still has a yeast rash in his diaper area and I still have a mild itchiness (worse today, probably because of my horrid water intake).  So in order to avoid going into "overtime," this next week needs to be an effective one.  My lymph nodes are still swollen, but no real pain swallowing today - probably because of the garlic poultice I did last night, and since I didn't do one tonight I'll probably be suffering for it tomorrow :-[

WellTellMommy- I tried your stuffed cabbage rolls today (minus the sage since I'm nursing) and the meat came out really yummy!  But I had trouble getting the cabbage leaves off without tearing or breaking them.  Is there a secret?  Also, how long am I supposed to cook them once the meat is all rolled up in the leaves?  I made a super yummy tomatillo sauce to put on top, and it's so good I'm actually going to try it as a vegetable dip tomorrow (yep, gonna give those cut veggies one more try ::)).  Here's the recipe: 1 T olive oil (or coconut oil), 1 yellow onion minced, 2 cloves garlic minced, 2 T jalapenos minced, 6 tomatillos, 1/2 cup cilantro minced, 1/2 t salt.  Saute onion, garlic, and jalapanos in oil 2-3 minutes.  Add tomatillos and sate 2-3 minutes.  Cool.  Add cilantro and salt.  Puree.   :D :D :D

DS is awake again for the third time this hour - still crying all day and waking up at least every hour all night - so I'm headed off quickly and will finish my post tomorrow.  Good night!
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: linemansgirl April 03, 2009, 04:58:09 AM
I hope that you are feeling better soon Mamatoto!!!!  You are ALMOST there!!  That tomatillo sauce sounds yummy!  I am going to have to make that!  I will search for the stuffed cabbage roll recipe.

In the afternoon yesterday I started to feel a bit draggy, but nothing extreme.  I feel great again today.  I am very happy for that because my brother and sister have spring break from college and will be arriving late tonight and be here until the day after Easter.

After much though I am reevaluating my plans for the rest of my family.  There are so many events that are coming up where it will be impossible for the whole family to eat properly.  If it is just me, it will be fine though.  I am going to revise their diet, but I will be leaving in kefir, yogurt and kombucha.  I will also feed them properly prepared brown rice, millet, oatmeal and quinoa on occasion.  I will also allow them some berries and green apples.  We are planning on a more sugar free diet being permanent except for special times.  It may take more time for them, but I think that it will be worth it.   I am not going to stress when we are away from home and they are fed some 'bad' food.  I will tell Grandma that we are cutting way back on sugar though!!! :D
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: linemansgirl April 03, 2009, 05:02:39 AM
I can't find the stuffed cabbage roll recipe!  Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?  Thanks! :)
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: wlwest April 03, 2009, 09:28:11 AM
I was wondering, is gum allowed?  Sometimes I really like to just chew some gum.  I guess probably juicy fruit is a no no, but what about the kind with xylitol?

wendy
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: rebeccahuff April 03, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Reading everyone's posts today reminds me of how I felt right at the beginning.  My initial thought was, "Oh, I'm coming down with something and there's no way I should do a cleanse if I'm sick...maybe I should stop and then re-start when I feel better."  But then I remembered from reading through all the posts on this and two other candida threads here that that's what everyone seems to think right at the beginning.  And it's definitely not random that everyone just happens to get the flu after starting a candida cleanse - so it's the cleanse that's actually causing the sickness.  But I will say I am so surprised that your children are throwing up, Rebecca.  I would venture a guess that their little bodies are affected more by die-off/starvation than our bigger ones just because they are littler, because I can't imagine in their shorter lives they would have worse candida problems.  But I guess there's just no way to know and everyone's body is different.  It WILL get better, but the hard part is not knowing exactly when.  I can certainly feel for you mamas wanting to make this at least bearable for the little ones, and only you can decide how to do that.  But also keep in mind that slowing things down only prolongs things, so make sure you weigh that in the balance.  You might try other ways to help their bodies get rid of toxins: hot baths so they sweat a little (obviously you can't get too hot with real little ones - maybe turning the bathroom into a sauna and sitting in it for a while would help?), making sure they drink enough water so are peeing a lot, making sure they are having regular bowel movements, etc.  I personally would have had a hard time choosing to do a diet with absolutely no grains because I wonder if I could get all the appropriate nutrients for my breast milk without anything at all.  (Not that brown rice is overflowing with nutrients, but it's at least something.)  I do think that bigger bodies can handle more abnormal things, probably because we've beat them around for years and they're more used to being abused.  Enough rambling...  I'm so glad to hear that the detox symptoms aren't challenging your resolve.  They certainly do mean that there's something in there that needs detoxing!!

Oh, a heads up to other nursing mamas: I have had a problem with plugged ducts ever since DS was born (usually every 2 weeks or so), but I am usually able to get rid of them in a day.  However, after starting the cleanse I noticed that they are more painful and are lasting longer.  We discussed them recently at a La Leche League meeting and I learned that a diet high in saturated fat can cause plugged ducts.  My diet has always been pretty high in saturated fats, and I'm not willing to cut them because I feel the health benefits outweigh the pain of the plugged ducts.  But because I have made a conscious effort to up my coconut oil and other fats during the cleanse, I think I've made the problem worse.  Just wanted to give you a heads up that you may start having problems, so you may want to brush up on some of the ways you can relieve the pain and get rid of a plug as soon as possible.

Thank you so much for this information.  I was getting a little freaked out so I let my son have some oats and he has been fine since then. 

As for the rest of us, we are just experiencing tiredness.  I have been pretty irritable today. So has my nursing daughter.

My husband asked me to re-evaluate what I am doing because he does not want me to have to stop nursing (me either) and is concerned about how all this will affect my breast milk. Anyhow, I am doing more research today! So, thank you again for all this info.

I came across this and I know how controversial the "raw food movement" can be, so I am asking this while flinching..... read this and tell me what ya'll think:

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I feel like I am always hungry but I force myself for days to live on 2 meals a day; then I find that I have immense cravings that I cannot explain and I have to binge on whatever I can find. I have stopped eating all meat except for fish.

I love eating fresh fruits and vegetables. However, each time I try to sustain on this diet alone, I get terrible yeast infections from the fruit so I again (after a treatment of Diflucan for the yeast), go back to eating fish and other raw/cooked vegetables in an effort to eat as healthy as possible.

I am terribly depressed. When I go home on Fridays, I never leave the bed except to go to the bathroom or the kitchen. I want to be healthy but I don't know how. I want to be free of this illness inside of me that makes me gain weight, lose my hair, disfigure my skin and cause a host of other complications but I don't know where to go or what to do. I want to stop taking pills. I want to sleep without waking up with headaches, I want to feel sexy and look good in my clothes and I need someone to teach me how to do it before I kill myself on an overdose of some bad weight loss drug that promises me that I will lose the extra 75 pounds of fat that I have been carrying around like a load of coal on my back.


A: Thank you for taking the time to write and to fully explain your situation. I feel you are on the right track. Its just that with candida or sugar related diseases it takes up to 3 months of being 100% raw to get rid of those. You can go two ways. You can eat fruits and suffer for 3 months as your body transitions to raw. After that you'll be fine. Or you can go 100% raw without fruits and feel great right away. You'll need to get a good vegetable juicer. We have the Green Star juicer (which you can get at greenstar.com) which we are very happy with. There are cheaper varieties available such as The Juiceman I believe. You can get these at a home store. Then you need to live on vegetables only for three months. If you feel you need more grounding you can include soaked almond milk in your diet. After the three months you can eat any raw foods and you'll be fine, still continuing to lose weight and rejuvenate.

I would recommend doing at least one if not two or three vegetable juices a day. All organic and raw of course. Use: kale, spinach, chard, celery, parsley, (stay away from carrots and beets as they have a high sugar content) lemon, tomato, and ginger. This makes a delicious juice! If its not yummy, just add more lemon (and/or tomato and ginger) until it is. You can juice the whole lemon in the Green Star, peels and all. This juice will leave you feeling very high. You don't have to use all the ingredients at once. You can make different varieties of green juice using two or three of the above ingredients at a time. This juice will heal anything, literally! Three months with this as your staple and you will be a completely new person, literally. After just a few days you are going to feel so incredibly high and energetic you wont know what to do with yourself! :)

In between "meals" you will want to eat whole vegetables such as celery sticks, jicama slices, tomatoes, bell peppers, cucumber slices, avocados and even the occasional apple once every day or two might be OK as this is not a very sugary fruit. You can even make little salads out of these to replace your vegetable juice meals once or twice a day. My favorite is a salad of avocado, tomato, cilantro and lemon. You can wrap this mixture in a Kale leaf for a "Kale Sub", or a lettuce leaf, or eat it plain. You can literally eat AS MUCH AS YOU WANT of the above foods and only feel better and better! You can also eat as little as you want and only feel better and better! This above diet is the Holy Grail of health, of that I'm sure!

You can add almond milk to your diet too, to replace one meal a day, or even two meals a day on occasion. Or you can add it as an in-between meal snack. You can have as much as you want. You MUST soak the almonds in water for four hours or more. Put a cup of soaked almonds in a blender and fill the blender up with water. (use only bottled spring water for all your water consumption including to soak your almonds in). You can if you like also add a dash of cold-pressed olive, flax, or hemp oil. Blend this up and drink it fresh. What you don't drink right away you can refrigerate but do drink it within the next couple of hours. This is the really healing version of almond milk. After three months you can start adding honey, agave, dates, and a dash of unrefined sea salt to your almond milk if you wish. For now it will taste like milk rather than a milk shake, but its still yummy! If you want to sweeten anything; your salads, vegetable juices or almond milk, you can use Stevia, an herb. You can buy it fresh at health food stores and hang it up to dry upside-down. Then crush it for sprinkling or blending up. It is a sweet green leaf herb. You can snack on leafs of this in between meals. It is a low-glycemic food so it will not aggravate your sugar-related conditions.

You can also include these low-glycemic (low sugar) fruits in your diet: grapefruit, cherries, strawberries, raspberries and blueberries.

Depending on your condition this diet could take anywhere from a week to three months to "cure" you. You can test yourself by adding fruit at any time if you wish. If you start to feel less well in any way simply stop eating the fruits again.

After this diet you can start eating any raw foods. In order to help people to transition to a raw diet we have written The Garden Diet ebook. We have many recipes in this ebook that we use as our staple recipes. We also offer meal plans and suggestions for how to stay raw in the face of family and societal pressures. Also, you might want to think about attending a raw food retreat. Some people find it helpful to go to a retreat to get started on this diet in a supportive, beautiful and relaxing environment where temptations are out of reach.

I hope this will be helpful for you! Please keep in touch and let me know how it goes! Feel free to email me with any questions.

In Health,

Jinjee
THE RAW FOOD DIET  (www.thegardendiet.com)

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Just curious what ya'll think about this????
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: Mamatoto April 03, 2009, 07:15:54 PM
I'm going to do a variation of that diet starting Fri.  So, here I am!!!

Welcome, AndysJess!  How was Day 1?

It's still a little confusing.  So, are any of you eating tortillas?  I'm assuming they are ok if there is just the water, flour(or whatevergrain)?  There isn't any yeast, or sugar, so I've been eating them. 

I'm going to venture a guess that none of the rest of us are eating tortillas.  One of the key components of an anti-candida diet is to stop eating foods that the candida can use for fuel.  They don't just use processed sugar, they also use natural sugars.  Thus no dairy, no fruit, no starchy vegetables, no grains, etc. because they all contain natural sugars.  (Hope I'm getting this right! :-\)  So the flour/corn/whatever grain product in the tortilla has natural sugars that the candida can use for fuel.  I know of at least two diets that allow brown rice, and I'm not sure exactly why, and I've read arguments in favor of allowing amarinth and millet in the diet, too.  But if you can find (or make) tortillas from brown rice flour, then they would be fine (assuming there are no other questionable ingredients).  But...I would consult your book before making any decisions to keep or cut foods.  It seems like each diet is a little bit different, so I'd just follow whatever plan is in your book and not worry about the rest of us. :)

In the book it says to change the diet first, and then do the supplements.  But I'm just starting right out doing everything, is that ok?  I started taking yeast assasin, tummy tune-up, and I also take Bone Ami.  Should that be all I need?  I also have grapefruit seed extract, and I have some oregenol oil, but that's already in the yeast assasin.  Of course, I always eat garlic whenever I can,  I love it.

I think you're perfectly fine to start the diet and supplements at the same time.  As far as supplements go, it seems like everyone is taking something a little different.  But the main ones would be an anti-yeast supplement and a probiotic.  So it sounds like you've got it covered.  Of course, if you have any other supplements that would be anti-yeast (like the GSE, oregano oil, garlic, etc.), promote digestion (like digestive enzymes or apple cider vinegar), or would help your body detox (like milk thistle to help the liver, etc.) I would say take them as well. 

Oh, one more question, I would like to change the kiddos diets too, but without eliminating any fruit.

Check out the book "Lifeforce" by Jeffrey S. McCombs.  It's an 8-week candida cleanse that allows almost all fruits. :)

I am going to revise their diet, but I will be leaving in kefir, yogurt and kombucha.  I will also feed them properly prepared brown rice, millet, oatmeal and quinoa on occasion.  I will also allow them some berries and green apples.  We are planning on a more sugar free diet being permanent except for special times.

I think your modified diet idea for your little ones sounds good - keeping in fermented foods and some good grains and fruit sounds healthy, balanced, and very reasonable.  As far as a long-term sugar-free diet goes, I've been off of sugar (for the most part) for the past 2 years or so, and I found that once I was over my sugar addiction, so many other foods tasted sweet that never tasted sweet before.  There are so many yummy shakes, smoothies, ice cream, cookie, and dessert recipes that use raw honey, pure maple syrup, dates, bananas, etc. to sweeten that you really don't feel like you are depriving yourself of anything - you can still have ice cream and cheesecake, they're just different than before. :P  Of course, too much honey or maple syrup can still wreak havoc on your blood sugar - and if someone has a candida overgrowth, then they would still be feeding the out-of-control yeast so definitely wouldn't want to overdo it.  But once their candida levels are under control, there's nothing to worry about if done in moderation.  JMO!  If you don't have Nourishing Traditions, I'd definitely get a copy as it has a ton of really great recipes.  And Serene's raw food cookbook from Above Rubies has some super great smoothie and dessert recipes, too!

I can't find the stuffed cabbage roll recipe!  Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?  Thanks! :)

Check out Reply #266 on this thread.  I tried it again tonight with about as much success (or lack thereof) keeping the cabbage leaves intact. :(  But I like the idea, so maybe next time I'll turn the recipe into stuffed peppers. 

I was wondering, is gum allowed?  Sometimes I really like to just chew some gum.  I guess probably juicy fruit is a no no, but what about the kind with xylitol?

Hmmm... never thought about this one before.  The Maker's Diet says that xylitol (along with sorbitol and maltitol) are sugar alcohol, so my guess is no.  Any other opinions?

My husband asked me to re-evaluate what I am doing because he does not want me to have to stop nursing (me either) and is concerned about how all this will affect my breast milk. Anyhow, I am doing more research today! So, thank you again for all this info.

I guess the reasons I'm not concerned with my breast milk are (1) I'm on a plan (or something close to it) that was designed for a nursing mama, (2) a nursing mama successfully completed this plan with no problems for her or her baby, and (3) I ran the plan by my holistic pediatrician (who's specialty happens to be nutrition) and she thought it sounded good.  But, I don't know much about Bea's plan other than that it's different from mine.  I've only been on her website twice and it's too confusing and overwhelming for me, although I'm sure if I took the time to wade through it I'd learn a lot. ;D  But I also came across this post the other day:  http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,337.msg222296.html#msg222296  What do you think?  I haven't had a chance to look at any of the material by the two doctors she cites, but it sounds like it might be interesting and really informative.

I came across this and I know how controversial the "raw food movement" can be, so I am asking this while flinching..... read this and tell me what ya'll think:

I have read anecdotal evidence of the power of juice cleanses, but haven't read any solid research on the topic.  One thing that concerns me is that it says it takes anywhere from a week to three months to cure the person asking the question - that's a huge range!  And honestly, how many people can really live on juice and raw vegetables for three months?  I know I couldn't unless I was facing something life-threatening and this was the route I was choosing to go.  But more importantly, I am very leery of anything that is touted as a "miracle" or "the holy grail."  These types of claims tend to over-promise and under-deliver. :(  I am re-reading The Maker's Diet in preparation for my post-candida-diet reintroduction-of-food plan, and it made me think of this paragraph where the author is telling his own journey from extreme sickness to health: "As I grew more frantic, I tried almost five hundred different 'miracle' products (including two or three treatments no rational person would consider).  I know what it is like to be desperate.  I became the victim - I choose that word carefully - of many network marketers and mass distributors of health products who made outrageous and unfounded claims with little, if any, scientific substance."  Personally, I wouldn't do an open-ended fast (which is pretty much what it sounds like - I know you are supposed to snack on raw vegetables between juice meals, but the primary source of nutrition is liquid) while pregnant or nursing, and definitely not without a naturopath or someone else similar weighing in.  As far as a raw diet in general, I am a big advocate of raw food.  In the summer, I like to do about 75% raw or so, and in the winter maybe 25% raw.  And think a 100% raw diet would do well as a short-term cleanse.  But I also believe a permanent 100% raw diet can be detrimental to your health, especially for children.  It seems like I am often reading about children growing up with serious dental issues due to 100% vegan diets, whether raw or cooked.  You can only get vitamins A, B12, and D from animal sources.  So I just don't buy into a 100% vegan diet.  JMO, of course! ;D

Well, I think I'm finally caught up on everybody else!!  Jemima- Are you still with us?  I think this is your getaway weekend, so hope you're having fun and are able to eat on the plan (for the most part) without feeling deprived.  It sounds like everybody else iis doing a bit better today, which is good heading into the weekend!  Hopefully you will all be able to keep up your resolve over the weekend, when for me at least things tend to get out of whack because my schedule is all screwed up.  Things seemed pretty mild today for us, thanks in large part I'm sure to the fact that I got in all my supplements (except for Bone Ami and Vitamin D, and two of my three teas) and finally drank 14 glasses of water today!!! :o  One thing I've noticed is that DS and I have had really bad (stinky) gas the past four days or so - hopefully just cleaning out the colon. :P  DS only had a couple crying spells today, but still seems to be sleeping poorly. :'(  However, he started pulling on his ear today, so is that a sign that he might have an ear infection?  Maybe that's why he's been so fussy the past few days, and surely that can't be related to the cleanse!  Tomorrow I'll start doing garlic oil drops - I've never done them before so am a little nervous.  Off to bed - still past my bedtime, but much better than last night!  Best of luck over the weekend - I'll add you all to my prayers tomorrow.
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: wlwest April 05, 2009, 04:12:16 PM
Thanks for all the help on here.  I'm re-evaluating my plan.  over the weekend, I feel way off the wagon!  I ate a cheesesteak.   :o  And my poor family, I just was at a loss as to what to cook, so they've been suffering.

 so, I'm wondering if the carb. addict books might help?  It seems to be closely related to the yeast thing, as far as cravings, etc.  Losing some pounds is a bonus, but the cravings is what I would like to conquer.

And I just found out my aunt, on my dad's side had a heart attack recently.  So that would make including my dad, 5 of his family that has had one.  I just want to make sure I start eating healthier, I'm not extremely overweight, my BMI is in range, although on the higher end.

So, good luck to everyone, I hope you can stick it out!  I think I will still finish up my yeast assasin though,  and the tummy tune upit can't hurt!

wendy
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: Mamatoto April 05, 2009, 04:43:22 PM
Not a whole lot to report here.  No problems with the diet, supplements, or water intake this weekend.  My only symptom is the one that got me thinking about about a candida overgrowth in the first place: a low-grade vaginal yeast infection.  DS still has a yeasty diaper rash :( and the runny nose started up yet again!  With only 4 days to go, I can't help but wonder if perhaps we'll need to extend things - perhaps due to the fact that I had so much trouble with the anti-candida supplement for most of the cleanse.  We've certainly had our share of detoxing, especially at the beginning, so I know the diet has worked somewhat...??  So it's a little discouraging.  We go into the pediatrician tomorrow for a 9-month checkup and I'm curious what she'll say.  Sorry to see you go, Wendy.  I hope you'll find a plan or some inspiration out there the get you pointed in the right direction.  How'd everyone else do?
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: Mamatoto April 06, 2009, 07:43:29 PM
I love our pediatrician!  We went in today for DS's 9 month check-up and discussed the cleanse (among other things).  Here's what she said:

•   Different strains of yeast have different life cycles.  So some yeast will be active while others are dormant, and on, and on.  This explains why it looks like things are clearing up, and then WHAM there are more die-off or yeast symptoms.  (For example, DS's yeasty diaper rash seemed to be going away and then was back just as strong as ever.)
•   It usually takes longer than 40 days to completely clear up a yeast overgrowth.  So these lingering yeast symptoms aren't a sign that the cleanse isn't working, just a sign that we need more time.  I should continue the cleanse until DS's yeast symptoms are completely gone and obviously not coming back, although she wasn't able to guess how much longer that might be.
•   Once our 1st 40 days are finished, I should ADD foods instead of limiting them further to prevent getting a problem with low blood sugar, so I was actually on the wrong track.  Here's what we get to add on Friday: grapefruit, sweet potatoes, beans, millet, amarynth, and oats.
•   My supplements should stay the same, but I should double DS's probiotics.
•   DS's restless nights (including last night where he slept 15 minutes then took 2 hours to fall back asleep - turned into a really emotional night for me) are due to teething (again ???) and an ear infection.  So she gave us some herbs, homeopathics, aromatherapy, Chinese herbs, and other treatments I am supposed to use aggressively the next 2 days.  She also suggested I give him some baby ibuprofen for one night only just so that I can get some rest and recharge - I opted to try the sleep tincture first and so far he slept 2 1/2 hours before waking up :)  So hopefully the rest of the night will be similar and I'll be feeling less hopeless tomorrow morning than I did this morning.
•   Oh, she also said that if I want to sweeten anything, I can use stevia or xylitol.  I don't really feel the need to sweeten anything, but I was curious about the xylitol since it's SUGAR alcohol.  So I asked and she said that the body digests xylitol differently than it digests sugar, which is why a lot of people have digestive difficulties if they overdo the xylitol.  But she said that the candida won't feed off of it because of the way we digest it.  (It seemed to make sense when she was explaining it, I just can't remember exactly what she said.)

So it looks like I'll be on here for a while longer.  But I do feel encouraged knowing that I am on the right track.  DS's runny nose is getting much runnier and he's got some chest congestion, so I'm using Winter Breeze Vapor Rub and am supposed to get a diffuser for some other respiratory oils.  I feel fine.

How is everyone else faring?
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: linemansgirl April 07, 2009, 08:25:33 AM
It sounds like you are on the right track Mamatoto!  That is wonderful that you have such an awesome pediatrician!  They are hard to come by!

I am doing well at sticking to the diet.  I have felt great overall.  I had diarrhea Saturday morning for a couple of hours.  I get tired easier and my nose runs off and on. 

My problem right now is breakfast.  I am not a big egg fan and I am about to my limit for the time being.  I almost got sick trying to choke down Bee's Egg Drink the past couple of times that I tried it.  I may just have to make a bunch of hamburgers or something like that so I can grab it and heat it up first thing in the morning.  That wouldn't be my first choice, but when you have cut out all grains, dairy and sugars; what's a girl to do????? :D  I am also struggling with getting enough fats in.

I have company this week, so I probably will only check in sporadically!     
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: Mamatoto April 07, 2009, 06:21:03 PM
Best of luck this week linemansgirl!  Hopefully having a house full won't derail you, but it sounds like you're doing GREAT!  Aahhh, breakfast... I don't like eggs at all, so I've been rotating between two breakfasts.  The first one probably won't work for your version of the diet: cooked brown rice cereal topped with coconut oil, ground flax seed, and almonds.  But the second one may: chicken sausage sauteed with red bell peppers and ground flax seed, and topped with avocado.  I was trying to come up with an "omelet without the eggs," but most of my stand-by recipes have cheese.  So this was the only one I could think of that seemed hearty enough, and the sausage makes it seem breakfasty.  But your hamburger idea actually sounds like a great idea!! 8) Do you like the taste of coconut oil, because for a while I was just eating 2 T with breakfast, until I realized that I was actually getting plenty.  But it's a whole lot easier to just add oil or butter to my rice products - I'm not sure how I would do it without eating rice. ???

Today was Day 38, and nothing much new to report except I'm officially upgrading DS's runny nose to "moderate cold-like symptoms."  This week's meals are (1) baked green peppers stuffed with ground buffalo sauteed with garlic, onions, yellow peppers, thyme, rosemary, oregano, and pepper, (2) brown rice penne pasta sauteed with sundried tomatoes, artichoke hearts, and olives and tossed in olive oil, parsley, basil, and oregano (I'm on an oregano kick! :P), and (3) fried green tomatoes (tomatillos) using ground flax seed instead of flour.  I'm back to my boring snacks of (1) puffed rice cakes slathered in butter and (2) dehydrated crispy sprouted almonds.  I just couldn't bring myself to eat more raw veggies, so omitted a snack this week - this makes for a very hungry me halfway through the afternoon :( I was planning on making the kale chips, but forgot to buy kale at the grocery store last weekend, so they've been moved to next week's list. 

Jemima? Rebecca? You still with us?
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: Mamatoto April 08, 2009, 06:22:22 PM
Day 39: I weighed myself at the chiropractor again today and I've lost more weight for a total of 6 pounds.  This is the lightest I've been since probably 6th or 7th grade :( If our pediatrician hadn't commented on Monday that I'll probably lose weight and it's normal when on this kind of diet, I'd be alarmed and think maybe I have parasites.  I admit that this week I haven't eaten as much as in past weeks, but still...??  I have no problem with regular meals, but snacks are killing me.  I seem to keep going back to the same ole snacks, which don't seem to really fill me up much.  I think what I'm going to try and do next week is plan 4 meals + 2 snacks a day, instead of 3 meals + 3 snacks.  Today's main news is that our gas is getting STINKIER :o (even worse than when I was pregnant).
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: sassy April 08, 2009, 09:15:05 PM
I am so excited to come across this thread.  I just recently found out about candida, suspect that I have it, and have been trying to figure out a plan of attack.

I bought Threelac, but then read some things that made me scared to try it...

I think that I am going to start this week with removing sugar from my diet, then follow the rest of the recommendations.

I wanted to ask if any of you have had hair loss, as a result of candida?

Also, I read a post mentioning rubbing oils on feet?  What would that be for?

Thanks so much!  Any help is very appreciated!
:)Katherine
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: linemansgirl April 09, 2009, 04:20:48 AM
Today is day eleven for me!  I am not having very many die off symptoms like I thought that I would, maybe my yeast isn't as bad as I thought that it was, OR maybe the die off symptoms haven't hit in full force yet!  Only time will tell.  Whatever the case may be, I am sure that this is doing me good.  I have lost 13.5 lb so far.  I will have to start adding things in if I get down too far.  I made up a bunch of hamburgers yesterday and I think that will really help me with breakfast.  I also had an easier time getting my fats in yesterday.  Last night I made chicken breast with butter and garlic and the roasted eggplant with cilantro marinade from Nourishing Traditions and it was very yummy.  Next time that I make it I will probably exchange the lemon for lime. 

Today is day 40 for you Mamatoto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D  Way to go!!!!!  Even though you do have to keep going, you get to add more foods in!

Welcome Sassy! 

Anyone else still here?????
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: rebeccahuff April 09, 2009, 09:55:04 AM
This is day 11 for me too, I think...

I have been doing a lot more vegetables and no meat.  I feel MUCH better. I actually think that eating all the meat was really slowing down my transit time and making me sluggish.  I am still taking the coconut oil like Bea says on her website.  I purchased some of the Yeast Assassin Lite (for nursing moms) from Beeyoutiful and also have some of the Ultimate Defense so I don't even know when I will be taking that, cause I sure don't want to start feeing as bad as I did last week. I feel soooo much better this week, that is why I am catching up on everything I didn't get to do last week!

I added some nuts and oats to my children's diet though.  Everyone seems to be doing quite well.  I have been letting my older daughters use some almond flour that I made to make my toddler some special treats like pancakes, cakes and muffins. I found the recipes on a neat website ( www.pecanbread.com  Specific Carbohydrate Diet) there are a lot of good recipes on there using nut flours, etc.

I admit I am not drinking as much water as I should. I am going to do better next week.  I have been doing some epsom salt baths and trying to remember to dry skin brush.

Those burgers you were talking about sound great though, linemansgirl!!!!! YUMMY!!!   That's great that you have lost 13.5 pounds!!! Awesome. I wish I had a scale, I don't know how much, but I am sure I have lost some too.

DH has a 3 day weekend, so I'll talk to ya'll on Monday!
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: Mamatoto April 10, 2009, 05:32:31 PM
I accidentally fell asleep with DS last night, so didn't get a chance to post yesterday ;D Yesterday completed Day 40 and thus "Phase 1" :) We seem to have gotten all of our really icky detoxing out of the way in the first 3 weeks (crossing my fingers), and things have gotten progressively better since then.  So it's kind of weird that we both still have yeast infections.  Odd thing is that DS always wakes up looking ALMOST cleared up, but by the end of the day it looks horrid.  And the same things happens the next day... and the next day... and the next day... Not quite sure I understand how/why it cycles like that ??? DS and I both have runny noses again - GOOD GRIEF!!!  Seems like we've both had colds or detox cold-like symptoms since the week after Christmas :o And yesterday and today I had more stomach cramping, but this time it's after I eat, not after I take the anti-fungal supplements.  So I'm thinking about adding in some digestive enzymes.  I'm sure my GI tract is totally out of whack right now, so it certainly can't hurt, and maybe it will help speed things along.  I was sooooo excited last night to put some oats to soak for breakfast, but they were a little disappointing this morning :( I guess I won't really love breakfast again until I can add some maple syrup or honey, shredded coconut, and berries.  Oh, well.  In the grand scheme of things, this is really a pretty short period of time to do without favorite foods.  I am finding that (other than snacks) I am having much less trouble coming up with meals than I was at the beginning.  I guess I never realized how much I rely on certain foods as staples - maybe my diet wasn't as balanced as I thought it was!

Rebecca- I'm so happy that you're feeling better.  How is the nursing baby doing?  And thanks for the nut four recipe link - I haven't had a chance to look at it, yet, but it sounds very promising!!

Linemansgirl- I am totally amazed that you have lost so much weight in such a short period of time!  Hopefully you're losing candida at the same rate :D

Sassy- Welcome!!  Have you started yet?  I haven't had any problems with hair loss.  Actually when I think about it, I think I'm losing LESS hair than normal.  Maybe because my GI tract is getting healthier and so I'm absorbing more nutrients from my food ??? Also, to answer your question about the essential oils (and correct me if I'm wrong, linemansgirl), clove and oregano are anti-fungals.  One way to benefit from herbs is to apply them topically and let them absorb through the skin and directly into the bloodstream (think garlic poultice).  But you wouldn't want to apply them undiluted (I've read that the only two that are ok undiluted are tea tree and lavender).  So mixing them with coconut oil (another anti-fungal) as the carrier oil would make them safe for topical use.  And chest and feet are great places to do poultices, oils, etc. because there are a lot of blood vessels there to quickly absorb the herb.  I admit I forgot I was planning on buying the oils after linemansgirl mentioned them, so maybe I'll order one or the other in my next Beeyoutiful order. 

Off to try and catch up on work I didn't get done last night...Have a great weekend everybody!
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: Elenita April 11, 2009, 09:17:12 AM
Hi,
a friend of mine sent me the link to this web-site just several days ago, as I have been struggling with candida for several months.
I read different information, and I have to tell you, I'm still quite confused about all the different diets, that also seem to contradict each other. Nevertheless I really want to do something, so I thought this forum could give me some help and some motivation to keep on.
I started with my own interpretation of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet 3 days ago, but as we are living in Mexico I can't get a hold of the book easily. I looked at their web-site and what kinds of food are allowed and which ones aren't, but as I'm afraid of not doing it right without the information in the book I decided I would try this Anti-Candida Diet.
As I said I'm still pretty confused about a lot of things.
For example are you keeping track of how much proteins and fats you are eating? If yes, how do you do it?
Are almonds allowed or not?
Also, I think my boys (I have 6 of them between 4 and 15) have some yeast problems too, at least I did the saliva-test with 4 of them and 3 came out as positive (but my 6 year old couldn't spit well  ;). But I don't think they will be very thrilled about my idea to put them on a diet without yeast (no pizza :P). So I wondered how some of you managed to motivate your kids.
If my English is kind of weird, I'm sorry, it's not my mother tongue. ;)
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: Mamatoto April 13, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
I'm starting to feel really tired and really hungry again.  I can't figure out if the hunger means I should be eating more or if it's just a sign that the candida are sending out "I need food to stay alive" signals.  Usually, I eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full, which usually means I eat six meals or snacks a day.  But that doesn't seem to be enough to keep me full these days.  Because I'm at the office all day (and because I can't just drop in to a nearby restaurant and order some safe anti-candida food), I'm having to plan more than I ever had, so it's kind of tough when what's worked in the past isn't working now.  I just had a huge serving of rice pasta with meat sauce - two servings worth of pasta and about 1/2 pound of meat in homemade spaghetti sauce.  And I'm still starved!!!  I really want to make another serving, but then I'll run out of food before the end of the week and grocery day ??? The past few days I've noticed that my milk ejection reflex isn't coming every time DS nurses, so now I'm panicking that I'm not producing enough milk, which would mean I'm not eating enough.  But DS started eating food last week - he went from CO and CLO to a little of whatever I'm eating within a day's time.  So maybe that's affecting the milk?  But he's not really eating much - maybe he gets in 1-2 teaspoons 2-3X a day.  And he's still nursing about every 1 - 1 1/4 hour...??  Any thoughts from other mamas?  Anyways...that's the weekend in a nutshell.  This week's meals are:
Breakfast - homemade turkey sausage and fried millet cakes (tomorrow will be the first day with the millet cakes, and I've never cooked millet before, so hopefully it'll be good :P)
Lunch #1 - meatloaf and fried green tomatoes (yummmm- they are so sweet they almost taste like cooked rhubarb)
Lunch #2 - rice and beans with homemade salsa and avocado
Dinner - brown rice spaghetti with meat sauce
Snack #1 - grapefruit
Snack #2 - crispy dehydrated sprouted almonds
Snack #3 - sweet potato chips (I was soooo excited to be able to make these again :D)
Snack #4 - kale chips (I bought the kale, but then found out the people I'm living with don't have a salad spinner :(, so I need to buy one tomorrow morning before I can actually make this snack)

I'd love to hear what everyone else is eating this week, ESPECIALLY SNACKS!!!

Welcome, Elenita- As far as the different diets go, I'd just pick one and follow it and not worry about what anyone else is doing.  I read Lifeforce a couple years ago, but don't have it handy as a reference right now, so can't help you much there.  I flipped through The Yeast Connection at the natural food store the other day and it looked interesting, but I didn't pay much attention to the specifics so again can't help you much.  And then there's Bea's, which is online and may be easier for you if you don't have easy access to specific books.  I'm sure there are a ton of other ones out there, too.  I think if I wasn't nursing, I'd actually compare all the different ones and only eat the food allowed by all of them.  I'll post what's on my ok list tomorrow - my reference book is out in the car and I don't feel like going out to get it right now ;)

Question about the spit test - I think both Rebecca and Elenita have mentioned it now...what is it?  How does it work?  What do I need to do it?  It sounds like it's not necessarily 100% accurate, but sounds interesting nonetheless.

I think I'll go have another spoonful of meat sauce, then brew some Mama's Milk Tea and broil half a grapefruit and see if that fills me up sufficiently.  Good night!
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: linemansgirl April 14, 2009, 05:00:32 AM
I am still here!  Last week I had company, they left yesterday morning.  Yesterday my dh's grandma passed away, so more company is coming today, so I will be scarce again this week.  Today is day 16 for me.  I have been feeling great, but having a hard time finding anything appealing to eat.  Since I am not doing brown rice I decided to add in a small amount of cheese and cream, that has helped a lot.

Have a great week!
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: rebeccahuff April 14, 2009, 06:30:37 AM
Sorry I haven't been keeping up! I am not doing as good as I would like to. I made some dehydrator macaroons and ate a few...well, i'm back on track but financially having a hard time not eating grains, cause I guess that is what I always fall back on when I run out of grocery money...also beans, I added those back in to everyone else's diet.

I am now taking the Ultimate Defense and the Yeast Assassin Lite with no ill effects, other than just being a little bit tired and a little bit irritable, but hey, that could be anything, right?

I am mostly eating raw veggies.  I still don't know if I have lost any weight, but next week I'll be able to weigh myself at my aunts house.

Those kale chips are awesome, I have made them before, without the spinner.  I just dried them off a bit with a paper towel.   We also made up a spice blend to put on them that was pretty tasty, with a dash of Stevia powder they taste like Mesquite BBQ chips ;o) yummy
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: Elenita April 14, 2009, 03:31:59 PM

Question about the spit test - I think both Rebecca and Elenita have mentioned it now...what is it?  How does it work?  What do I need to do it?  It sounds like it's not necessarily 100% accurate, but sounds interesting nonetheless.

Here's the link for the spit test: http://www.stopyeast.com/saliva.html

It's actually my 7th day on some kind of diet ;). I'm basically eating veggies, meat, fish right now and the 24-hours yogurt. But because I'm not sure it's really fermenting 24 hours, I stopped that for now. I also ate almonds and cheese at the beginning.
The first day I had a really bad headache and felt nauseated, but now I'm doing pretty well regarding die-off-symptoms.
I 'm really amazed that I'm not graving more sugar and grains. I had such a bad sugar graving these last months-started to shake and feel dizzy as soon as my sugar level dropped, so I was practically eating constantly-and gaining weight ???. But  I'm really way better than I was afraid. Well, it still might come, but for now I'm just amazed  :)
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: Becks April 14, 2009, 04:19:39 PM
Elenita! Welcome! :D I like your picture by the way. I'm glad you posted the saliva test link.  I think I'll try it since it looks so easy.  Where is the diet that you are following?  I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if it's obvious and I missed it.  If the diet you are following uses yogurt, I've got a good recipe and method for making it.  Let me know if you want me to show you how I make it.
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: Mamatoto April 14, 2009, 07:45:39 PM
I cannot believe I have lived the first 33 years of my life without ever trying millet - it is DELICIOUS!!!  Maybe next week I'll try something with amaranth - has anyone ever cooked with this before?  I think I'm being stretched (in a good way) to learn how to be more creative in my cooking.  For example, I never knew how versatile flaxseed is:  I used to only put it on top of my hot cereal, but now I'm using it in almost everything I make.  Today I woke up with huge lymph nodes and a really sore throat and couldn't really talk much for the first half of the day.  I'm sure it's related in part at least to the fact that I didn't get to bed until about 2 last night :( and it seems like I've got a ton more to do tonight before I hit the sack, so hopefully tomorrow won't be worse :( :( Also, my MER was much better today than yesterday.  I think it may be related to stress :(

Sassy- Just realized your question was about hair loss due to candida, not due to the cleanse... As far back as I can think, I've always felt I had a problem with hair loss.  But that may just be due to the fact that I have fine, thin hair so it's really obvious.  And then the lack of hair loss I'm experiencing now may be due to the fact that I'm taking horsetail supplements, which are high in silica, which helps hair growth.  So who knows with me! :-\

Elenita- Thanks so much for the spit test link.  I know I have candida, but think I'll try it tomorrow just for fun  :D

As promised, here is my list of acceptable foods for the 1st 40 days:
•   Meat:  beef, buffalo, elk, goat, lamb, veal, venison, heart, liver
•   Fish:  anything that has fins and scales (no shellfish, catfish, or eel)
•   Poultry:  chicken, Cornish game hen, duck, guinea fowl, turkey, heart, liver
•   Eggs:  duck eggs, chicken eggs
•   Fats and oils: avocado, coconut milk/cream, extra-virgin coconut oil, flaxseed oil (unheated only), hempseed oil (unheated only), extra-virgin olive oil (unheated only), expeller-pressed sesame oil, cow butter, goat butter, ghee
•   Vegetables:  French artichoke, asparagus, beets, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, carrots, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, eggplant, garlic, leafy greens (arugula, broccoli rabe, collard, endive, escarole, frisse, kale, mustard greens, radicchio), lettuce, mushrooms, okra, onion, peas, peppers, pumpkin, sea vegetables (dulse, hijiki, kelp, kombu, nori), spinach, string beans, sprouts (broccoli, pea shoots, radish, sunflower), summer squash, tomatoes, winter squash
•   Nuts and seeds (raw only):  almonds, ground flaxseed, hempseed, pumpkinseeds, sunflower seeds, nut/seed butters and tahini made with any of the allowed nuts or seeds
•   Grains:  brown rice
•   Fruit:  lemons
•   Beverages:  water, herbal tea, organic coffee, raw beet and carrot juice (diluted to 25%)
•   Seasonings and sweeteners:  Apple cider vinegar, Celtic sea salt, Herbamare, herbs and spices, Omega-3 mayonnaise, Stevia, organic alcohol based flavoring extracts with no added sugar (for example, almond extract and vanilla extract)

Starting with Day 41, I was able to add the following: grapefruit, beans, amaranth, millet, oats, and xylitol

Rebecca - great job jumping right back into the cleanse after what sounds like a really yummy "cheat."  And it sounds like you're doing a good job of altering the diet to address your family's needs.  How are all your children doing with the cleanse?

Linemansgirl - Bravo for sticking with the cleanse with a house full of people!  Sorry to hear why you have company this week :'(

I'm happy to hear that no one is doing too horribly! 
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: linemansgirl April 15, 2009, 08:05:14 AM
I am sticking with it, but I am SO TEMPTED right now.  There are cinnamon rolls on the counter that are calling my name! :D  Everyone is bringing lots of yummy food for the family!  I know I can do this, I know I can do this, I know I can do this......................
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: Elenita April 15, 2009, 09:55:39 AM
I'm feeling just terrible today. Terribly tired, just fixing lunch tired me out completely. My yeast infection is bothering me badly. My mind is so foggy, I can't even read your last postings properly (probably because it's not my first language).
I will read them though when I feel better, hopefully soon  :-\.
My DH is gone on a trip too,  I'm glad my older sons help me with the younger ones, but I'm dreading bedtime today.
Can these all be die-off symptoms?
Well, I will try to get some more rest.
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: healthyinOhio April 15, 2009, 02:01:17 PM

Can these all be die-off symptoms?


Doing an enema will clear your foggy die off symptoms quicker than normal. HTH!
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: Mamatoto April 15, 2009, 06:09:07 PM
I felt horrible today - moderate runny nose, very large lymph nodes, extremely sore throat.  In fact, instead of going into the office, we stayed home and (tried to) rest and nap a lot.  I haven't felt this bad in quite a while.  I'm ashamed to admit that I haven't been keeping up with my dry skin brushes, hot bentonite clay baths, or garlic poultices.  It seems like there just aren't enough hours in the day to do everything that needs doing, so as soon as I started feeling normal, I pretty much stopped.  But obviously I need to start back up again.  I just finished a garlic poultice and I hope that helps me feel better tomorrow.  I also need to make sleep a priority - my body obviously needs that down time to repair and restore, so I am vowing to try and be in bed no later than 10:30 from here on out.  On a positive note, I made the kale chips today and they were FANTASTIC!  Who would have thought?  Has anyone ever made them in the dehydrator?  I like the idea of keeping the kale raw, but am not sure whether they'd get crispy enough.  Thoughts??

Linemansgirl - You have done so awesome up to this point!!  Keep strong :) The cinnamon rolls, etc. can wait :P

Elenita - Sounds like die-off to me!  If you can get through this first chunk of time where you feel really horrible, you can do anything.  Don't give in.  Just be thankful that you have some older ones to help you around the house, and focus on how much better you will feel once your body is properly balanced.  You might want to try a really hot bath to help you sweat some of the toxins out through your skin - try to stay in the tub for about 20 minutes after you start sweating.  And don't forget to drink lots and lots of water, so you can get rid of some of the toxins peeing.  And make sure you're having regular bowel movements, too.  If not, add tons of flaxseed to whatever you're cooking.  I'm too afraid to try enemas, but I agree that would help if you can do them.

Good night, all!
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: Elenita April 16, 2009, 07:03:37 AM
Oh no,
I just wrote a nice long answer, and somehow it's all gone.
Well I try to remember what I said ::)

First, I'm feeling much better today, still a little bit slow, especially my thinking (I probably won't remember all I wrote before :-[), but way better than yesterday. Thank you for your tips. I used to be afraid on enemas too, but then a midwife encouraged me before I had my first baby, that they really aren't so bad: " Just make sure the water is warm, and you're close to a bathroom." And I had one with one or two, or three?? :-\ of my births, and it really wasn't that bad. My problem here is that the equipment is hard to get here, but we'll see.
The hot bath sounds good, I just need to wait until my DH comes back, otherwise I don't think I can enjoy it (with kids fighting in the background,... ;))

Something really great happened yesterday though. I told you that I wanted to do the SCD-diet, but didn't have the book. Well yesterday a friend dropped by, and I found out, she has the book. We got it right away, so now I can truly try it. I'm really thankful and very excited ;D

Becks, if you want to find out more about this diet, here's their web-site: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/index.htm

I got the idea from reading another thread about SCD and yeast infection.

I realized that the yogurt I'm making is not really fermented for 24 hours, because I used a pressure cooker. There are other ideas how to make it on the SCD-website, but they don't work for me :-\.
I'm working on it though.

Mamatoto,
I'm sorry that you don't feel well. I sometimes feel frustrated too with all the things I should/want to do, and the days being so short....
I'm glad for you though, that you like the millet. It seems there's a lot of food out there, we've never tried before.
I still try to figure out, what "kale" is, need to look for it in my dictionary :)

HealthyinOhio
I feel silly, but sometimes I don't know what abbreviations stand for. I figured out what DH, DS. and DD stands for ;), but what is HTH? :)

Linemansgirl,
hang in there, I'm sure it's hard with so many temptations around you, but you CAN do it ;)
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: healthyinOhio April 16, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
but what is HTH? :)




Oh, sorry!  ::)  Sometimes it is hard to tell who knows it and who doesn't.  Hope This Helps.
Here ya go.  More homework for ya:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1698.0.html
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: Mamatoto April 16, 2009, 05:39:59 PM
I think this is Day 47 for me.  I feel better than yesterday, but still bad.  Went into the office today, but wished I could have just stayed home :( Today was one of those days where keeping track of my supplements was just too much - I think I only took about half of what I needed to >:( And probably only drank 10 cups of water >:( Sigh!  Thank goodness tomorrow is another day.  I've got lots of research to do tonight in preparation for tomorrow's appointments, but will still do my best to get in a garlic poultice and be in bed by 10:30 :-\

Elenita- I'm soooooo happy that today wasn't a repeat of yesterday ;D And BTW, I think "kale" is "col rizada." You're definitely right about there being a lot of food out there I haven't tried.  As I was typing out my list of ok foods for Tuesday's post, I realized I probably have only tried about 1/2 of the vegetables!  So my goal is to try each of them by the time my cleanse is over ;D I'm not a fan of cooked vegetables, but I do like a lot of raw vegetables and salads.  However, I simply can't get excited about salads and raw veggies when it's not warm outside!!!  Regardless, I'm going to bite the bullet and force myself to eat salad as one of my meals next week ::) I found a great threat here on millet recipes, but unfortunately can't make most of them now because almost all have no-no ingredients.  But for now I'm perfectly fine just eating it plain for breakfast.  I think I'll buy some amaranth this weekend to try for next week, too.

How's everyone else doing this week?
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: Mamatoto April 18, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
Confession #1: I did my grocery shopping today for next week's meals and just couldn't bring myself to buy salad ingredients while it's snowing outside.  So I decided not to beat myself up over it and just focus on eating enough to prevent the nagging hunger I faced all last week.  Here's my meal plan for the week (I'm planning on just eating the same things every day, like I have been since the start of my cleanse - thank goodness I don't have a family to feed or I'd be at a loss of how to vary my meals every day instead of every week):

Breakfast- broiled grapefruit; amaranth with coconut oil and ground flaxseed
Lunch #1- brown rice penne pasta sauteed with garlic, basil, and green, red, and yellow bell peppers
Lunch #2- baked sweet potato filled with butter and Herbamare, topped with turkey/chicken sausage mixed with onions and spices, and topped again with sauteed zucchini, tomatoes, and celery
Dinner- chili over millet ;D
Snack #1- Almonds with cinnamon and nutmeg
Snack #2- Kale chips
Snack #3- nori topped with a carrot/onion/sunflower seed/sesame seed concoction and then dehydrated to make crackers
Snack #4- brown rice crackers and dry roasted sunflower seeds (I know they're supposed to be raw, but I'm hoping the roasting will make them feel like new food items)
Dessert- tomatillos and rhubarb sauteed in coconut oil (hoping rhubarb is ok to eat, as it's not on my "ok" list but not on my "not ok" list either - does anyone know anything about this one?)

Confession #2: I have had a bad attitude towards the cleanse this week.  My throat has been really sore and I have been whispering most of the week, and I was just REALLY ANNOYED that I couldn't put honey in my tea.  And Monday was the four-year anniversary of my dad's death, and I was REALLY FRUSTRATED that I couldn't do what I usually do in his memory because it involves sugar.  But I'm still plugging on, good attitude or bad, because I know this is important and it really needs to work now as opposed to later in life.  And I'm not about to give up now that I've given the past 7 weeks of my life to the cleanse.

Well, off to start prepping my meals for the week - oh, and to make my yummy Saturday treat.  Today I'm boiling brown rice with cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, cloves, and stevia, and then topping it with blackberries (special treat!) sauteed in coconut oil and carob (special treat!).

Rebecca- You're "mesquite bbq" kale chips sound fantastic!  Do you remember what spices you mixed up? 

Hope everyone is having a manageable weekend :) and is staying strong :) :)
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: Elenita April 19, 2009, 07:35:46 AM
I'm still feeling kind of weak, but usually not the whole day :), and hey that means those things are dying. Yeah! That's a little bit (only a little bit) like being pregnant and having a baby, but just think what we can put up with, because we know it's worth the result
I'm really blessed to have friends who help me. One brought fresh out of the oven Cinnamon roles for the kids for breakfast. Well, I had to think of you linemansgirl  ;), but I did it, the smell was terrible good though.

Mamatoto, I don't know how you do it, going to work every day. Wow! And I understand completely that you have attitude issues after being on the same strict diet for so long. But I'm glad you hang in there. You really are so far along, it would be a pity. Just think, the next time, you have to start all over again :P

Could you maybe take Echinacea to help with your cold?

I read your menu plan, and I wondered how you prepare broiled grapefruit, just peel it and cook it? Also with the almonds with cinnamon and nutmeg, do you just sprinkle the spices on top of the almonds? Do they stick this way?

Well I have to prepare lunch for my gang and me. Hope my hubby comes home soon!
And healthyinOhio, thanks for the info, there's still a lot to learn :)
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: WI Cheesehead April 19, 2009, 08:20:45 AM
Well, this is going to be an interesting journey for us.  We're putting my 15 yo DD on a candida diet and supplements to see if it helps her tummy issues.  She's also getting sick way too often.  She's been to the GI and he finds nothing but some excessive stool in her colon.  Which I thought I read might be a symptom also.  I read a couple candida forums and have decided to put her on a diet, but not totally strict.  We're going to try to use stevia, still have a little cheese and I ordered buckwheat to try.  Unfortunately, she hates eggs, except for egg salad.  So she'll be eating that every morning!  Unless I can get her to try the millet porridge, but I doubt it.  My big concern is what to give her for lunch at school!  I also read in the candida foods thread that you can have the acidic fruits, so I'm stocking up each week on the berries and clementines (and green grapes).  I have a couple of drink recipes that I want to try to convert with Stevia.  If they turn out, I'll post them.  Two are raspberry drinks, one is a grape drink, a frozen minted lemonade and a homemade root beer (maybe!)  I'm so bummed bcz I can't make my homemade bread for awhile.  I'm looking for a good candida friendly bread recipe and copied one to try (it uses pureed cabbage!)  My DD doesn't have really severe symptoms, so I'm hoping we can do this without too much difficulty.
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: Mamatoto April 19, 2009, 07:42:41 PM
Elenita- I love your pregnancy comparison!!  Obviously the good health we'll get as a result of this won't be quite as exciting as a new baby, but it WILL be worth the discomfort we're facing right now.  As far as the broiled grapefruit, I just cut the whole grapefruit in half and put the halves on the broiling pan until they start getting brown around the edges.  Then I spoon it out and eat it...mmmmm :P I like it warm when it's cold outside, and warming it up actually makes it more tender and easier to eat with a spoon.  And the almonds will actually be a bit of an experiment: I'm soaking the almonds overnight, then rolling them in cinnamon and nutmeg, then putting them in the dehydrator until they're crispy.  Because they'll be wet after soaking, I'm hoping the spices will stick to them and stay.  I haven't done them yet because I've got my nori crackers "cooking" away in the dehydrator right now.  Although I suppose I could just put them in the oven on 250 until they're dried out.  But I prefer to keep them technically raw - I feel like I'm getting more nutrition out of them.  (I keep my dehydrator set at 105 degrees.)  Today I just had plain raw almonds because my experiment ones weren't ready yet, and I was reminded of why it is so good for your digestive system to soak nuts before eating them!!  I had a little bit of a stomach ache - not bad, but still...  My digestive help plan seemed to work this week.  Here's what I changed:
Apple Cider Vinegar: I was taking 1 T before breakfast.  Now I'm taking 1 T before breakfast and before dinner (the meals I eat at home).
Digestive Enzymes: I wasn't taking any.  Now I'm taking 1 tablet with breakfast and dinner.
Fenugreek: I was taking 2 capsules with breakfast.  Now I'm taking 2 capsules with each of my 2 lunches.
Fennel: I wasn't taking any.  Now I'm chewing on some fennel seeds after each lunch and snack (the food I eat at the office).
I haven't had any stomach cramping or stomach aches (other than the almond incident today :P)

Welcome, WI Cheesehead!  Are you doing the diet with your daughter, too?  Is she still breastfeeding?  What grains are you allowing?  I just did brown rice for the first 40 days, but after that our pediatrician added millet, amaranth, and oats to my diet.  Does she like oatmeal?  That might be an option if she gets sick of eating egg salad :D  Definately keep me posted on the drinks - they sound yummy, although the raspberry and grape ones probably wouldn't fit with my version of the diet.  But the lemonade one sounds delish!!  Best of luck - I hope her detox isn't too unbeararable, as it's really hard to see little ones feeling icky.  But you're right - if this can decrease her "regular" sicknesses, then might as well just get all the ickiness out of the way once and for all!!  I'm definitely hoping for that as an added benefit for me, too.

By the way, I am now addicted to millet!!  I had some chili over millet for dinner, and decided I needed more millet, so just spooned some extra in a bowl with cinnamon and nutmeg and that was my dessert for the evening.  I'm loving it!!!
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: WI Cheesehead April 20, 2009, 02:22:00 AM
Welcome, WI Cheesehead!  Are you doing the diet with your daughter, too?  Is she still breastfeeding?  What grains are you allowing?  I just did brown rice for the first 40 days, but after that our pediatrician added millet, amaranth, and oats to my diet.  Does she like oatmeal?  That might be an option if she gets sick of eating egg salad :D  Definately keep me posted on the drinks - they sound yummy, although the raspberry and grape ones probably wouldn't fit with my version of the diet.  But the lemonade one sounds delish!!  Best of luck - I hope her detox isn't too unbeararable, as it's really hard to see little ones feeling icky.  But you're right - if this can decrease her "regular" sicknesses, then might as well just get all the ickiness out of the way once and for all!!  I'm definitely hoping for that as an added benefit for me, too.
Hi Mama.  No, my 15 year old isn't breastfeeding anymore! LOL  She's a teenager with teenage dislikes and she's so skinny!  She's 5'8.5" and weights 117 lbs.  Definitely didn't take after her mama (5' 2" and let's say, over 117 lbs).  I have found a smoothie she will eat.  This is basically kefir with strawberries and/or raspberries and a little bit of stevia to sweeten up the kefir.  Unless she has the tummy upset.  Then she can't eat anything.  So she eats her lunch at school and is starving by the time she comes home.  Then she eats and isn't hungry for dinner.  It's a vicious cycle.  I'm going to try the buckwheat and the millet.  I tried to make millet/spelt tortillas and they didn't turn out so well.  I just gave her her first dose of the Candida Clear.  I'm going to have to read the whole thread when I get time to see what other people are making for lunch or dinner.  I am not doing the diet totally, as I can have whatever when she's gone and she doesn't seem to mind if we have something else (when I feel overwhelmed with "what am I going to make?") and she finds something to eat that's allowed.  I really do need good ideas because I've barely started it and feel so overwhelmed already!  What am I going to do without my grains???  I usually have 4 loaves of freshly baked bread (with freshly ground flour) made each week or so.  I am going to try a bread recipe that calls for buckwheat (no yeast) and uses pureed cabbage (got off of a candida website).  It's more of a flat bread type (only about 1 inch or so) but if it's good, that will help.
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: linemansgirl April 20, 2009, 04:26:03 AM
Day 22 here!  I made it through until Saturday and then decided to give myself a bit of a break.  By then I was completely and totally, emotionally and physically exhausted.  To be honest, I am glad that I did.  The main reason that I did it was because I was wondering whether to continue or not.  I have been having absolutely no die off reactions since day 6, so I was wondering if I really had a yeast problem after all.  One hour after eating sugar my right foot was itching like crazy.  I have struggled with athlete's foot on that foot.  Now the itching is gone again! :D
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: Mamatoto April 20, 2009, 09:57:36 AM
Well, I reread your initial post, WICheesehead, and what do you know?  It says 15 yo DD.  I guess in my sleep-deprived mommy stupor I read 15 mo DD!  If you're not sure whether candida is the issue (as opposed to just an imbalance in gut bacteria) and you don't see any marked improvement in the anti-candida diet (or find it next to impossible for her to stick to the plan), you might try the Maker's Diet...have you read it?  I would definitely suggest reading through the posts for meal ideas - you may want to start with Reply #241 on page 9 when Jemima resurrected this thread a month ago.  The longer I've been on the diet, the easier it is for me to come up with meal ideas according to the plan, but the harder it is for me to come up with new snacks.  I have found ground flaxseed to be a miracle ingredient for me, since I can use it as a substitute in regular recipes for flour, breadcrumbs, etc., etc., etc.  But I will say I do rely heavily on allowable grains (which for me was only rice for the 1st 40 days - I don't get nearly excited about the thought of rice now as I used to).  DS is asleep right now, and instead of doing business stuff, I think I'm going to browse through Rebecca's nut flour website for ideas.

Linemansgirl- So weird that your body had such a strong reaction to sugar when you haven't really had any die-off symptoms!  What supplements are you taking?  Any thought to increasing the supplements?  I wonder if your body is in an active state of not detoxing...by that I mean, maybe your regular candida symptoms (like the athlete's foot) are in check because you aren't feeding the candida, but your body isn't doing much to actually get rid of the candida that's just hanging around somehow managing to survive.

Well, today is Day 51.  I will say I honestly believed the candida would be in check by Day 40, and am really hoping that the pace starts picking up (except I don't want any more detoxing ???), since it is really hard to eat this way long-term.  Last week was really icky, so hopefully that was some big chunks of candida clearing out.  I feel so bad for DS because he has either had a cold or detox symptoms since two days after Christmas - 1/3 of his life!!  I want this to be over with already...
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: Elenita April 20, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
Welcome WI Cheesehead! I'm sure it's not easy to motivate a 15year old to do such a strict diet. I would like my 15 year old DS to do it, he doesn't have any severe problems, but the spit-test did turn out positive, but I will wait until I feel better so that I have the energy to motivate him. He's not so easy to motivate these days. :-\ I know that some families do it all together, but I couldn't imagine, feeling yucky and everyone else feels like that too.  :P

I'm hungry!!! But I read somewhere in this thread, that means the yeast wants to be fed, well I eat, but not what they like, ha!
Still pretty weak and so thirsty. Drank 6 liters yesterday! It's very hot here right now (I hardly could believe it, Mamatoto, when you wrote about snow! ;D), but that's still a lot. I think my middle name should be Camel ;)
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: WI Cheesehead April 20, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
Question: Are you supposed to take the probiotics after the Candida Clear or during it?  My DD is agreeable to doing it.  It's just hard with breakfast and lunch and snacks.  (!)  Breakfast is hard bcz she's usually not hungry.  I have to sit down and look at my recipes throughly (esp. the new ones I want to try.)

I have a homemade cream soup recipe (it's powdered and you add water to 1/3 cup when you need some).  Is there such a thing as powdered rice milk or almond milk?  I'll bet it's expensive, if I can find it.  I need to make some more, but the recipe calls for mostly powdered milk.

Someone was looking for more flax recipes.  Here's one I tried.  It's quick, filling and tastes pretty good!

One Minute Flax Muffin
1/4 cup flax seed meal
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1/4 teaspoon stevia powder
1 teaspoon cinnamon
1 egg
1 teaspoon oil

1Mix all ingredients in a coffee mug.
2Micorowave for one minute on high.
3If using frozen berries, microwave for 1:30 on high.
4Smooth on some butter and enjoy!
5It will be moist at first, but as the muffin cools it goes away.
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: WI Cheesehead April 21, 2009, 02:35:41 AM
Well, after dealing with her this morning, I think we'll wait until school's over to start this.  We'll still try to stay on the diet (mostly), but if the die off is going to be this bad, I'll wait till I don't have to get her up.  She went to a field trip yesterday and started the pills also.  Today, she won't get up and doesn't feel well.  She hasn't missed school in a few weeks, so we're going to stop the pills and do it later.  I'll still read the thread though, and offer any recipes I find that work.
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: Mamatoto April 21, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
WI Cheesehead- IMO, I would take the anti-fungals and the probiotics at the same time.  My pediatrician agrees with this approach and I'm a little surprised that some of the anti-candida plans seem not to.  Each is doing a separate job and both are important.  I think your plan to wait until your daughter is home from school is a good one, especially if she is a really picky eater and you have trouble packing lunches and snacks for her during the school day.  But I would try and keep her on the probiotics - those shouldn't create die-off like the anti-fungals, but they will start to rebalance the bacteria in her gut.  As far as breakfast goes, how about including some sausage?  I was buying some chicken sausages and frying them up for breakfast, but then I came across a great turkey breakfast sausage recipe in NT that is much cheaper.  I had a sausage patty as part of my breakfast each day last week, and I think the protein certainly helped to fill me up.  And I liked the recipe so much that I'm using it as a baked sweet potato topping this week (just not in patty form).  Here are the ingredients:

1 pound ground turkey
1 small onion, finely chopped
1/4 teaspoon each cumin, marjoram, pepper, nutmeg, oregano, cayenne pepper, and ginger
1/2 teaspoon each basil, thyme, and sage (although I'm not adding the sage since I'm nursing)
2 teaspoons sea salt
2 tablespoons ground flaxseed
1 egg, lightly beaten

Mix together and chill well.  Form into patties and saute in 2 tablespoons butter.

Today went fairly well - nothing really new to report except I'm getting more and more thirsty.  I think I'll try and shoot for 16 cups of water tomorrow.  Good grief, Elenita!  I just did a Google search to figure out how much 6 liters is, and if my computer is correct...you ARE a camel.  Wow!  That's so great - my inspiration to keep gulping down the water.  How are you feeling?  Still super hungry?  I think I ate 10 times today, and I'm still hungry.  I'm not sure what the best way to deal with it is:  Should I just eat my "regular" amounts of food and feel like I'm starving all day, but know that what I'm really doing is starving off the candida?  Or should I eat whenever I'm hungry (as long as it's on the diet), which is about once an hour?  My weight is down really far (this is not really a good thing since although I think I look fine with no clothes on, I look sickly with clothes because they hang on me like a scarecrow, and I can't just go buy a smaller size because as far as I know they don't make clothes any smaller than a 00), so I'm inclined to just eat and eat and eat.  But maybe that's not the best way to tackle this...??  Thoughts?

I'm obviously not doing too well on my plan to get to bed by 10:30 every night :( and I'm pretty sure I'm suffering for it - tired and weak during the days (although I'm sure I should attribute some of this to the candida die-off) and not fighting off the sniffles very well (again, hard to know how much is candida die-off and how much is lack of sleep and so a suppressed immune system):( But on the positive side, the reason I'm staying up late is to work on business stuff because, 2 months after opening my business, we (DS and I ;D) FINALLY have some paying clients.  God always provides, but with me He often does it right at the last minute (when I'm literally down to my last dollar and wondering how we'll survive, much less keep a business running).  I guess I need to constantly be reminded that I can do NOTHING without Him.  Anyways... I'm praying that He will continue to send us the right paying clients and will also help me get my stress level down (I'm sure if I could just stop trying to rely on myself I'd be so much better off, but this is so much easier said than done).  Well, I'd better get going - goodnight all!
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: rebeccahuff April 22, 2009, 03:52:56 AM
Hello everyone! I can't believe how dedicated you all are to getting on here and posting every day. I just can't make it to my computer every day. Maybe because I am sharing it with my dh, 4 children homeschooling, and b/c I have a toddler and infant demanding my attention! Mainly though, this computer chair is ALWAYS warm  ;D

I have not done Bee's diet like I planned on, but I have continued to steer clear of most of the things that I should not be eating.  I have allowed my children to eat oats, millet and on Sunday soaked grain pancakes with apples.  I just can't eat all the meat. One, it grosses me out, two, I can't afford it!

so, I am trying to make it up to myself by eating lots of greens, which I can afford, and I am growing as well.

I too am a HUGE millet fan, we made the millet cakes in NT book last night and they were soooo delicious. I ate more than one.  I know, I shouldn't have, but they smelled soooooo good.

Now my problem is that I think I might be getting a kidney stone, and if I am I am blaming it on all the meat!  I have only had one stone in my life and that was about 5 years ago. NOT a road I want to travel again. I have not been much of a meat eater since then, but I find it ironic, that since I started this diet and have drastically increased my protein through meats, now I am having kidney pain. (I am re reading the thread on kidney stones)

So, I am planning to drink lots of Bee's Electrolyte drink today, which we have renamed VolunteerAde.  (did you know that Gatorade was created for the Florida Gators to help them stay hydrated?)  Since we're from Tennessee and we like to be healthy we call it VolunteerAde.  :D

I am so impressed with you ladies...thanks for all the tips too! I read a ton on here, so keep up the good work!  ;)
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: WI Cheesehead April 22, 2009, 07:57:39 AM
Well, I'm definitely waiting until summer.  Because she felt bad yesterday from the Candida Clear, she wouldn't take any of her vitamins today, not even calcium (which she NEEDS bcz she's not getting milk).  >:(  On a positive note, I did make the Raspberry Iced Tea and she liked it!  I actually used the Red Rasp. Leaf Brew blend and added the raspberries.  You really don't get much from the raspberries, mostly a little juice and flavor, since you strain it through a strainer and throw out the rest.  (Thank goodness I started a friendship with the produce mgr at my store.  He's trying to build up the organice section and is giving me $1 lb on almost everything, except the stuff I can get cheaper at the conventional price.)  Then I added some stevia and the lemon juice.  It was good!  My problem with the stevia I bought is trying to adjust the right amount.  I bought the NuStevia with the maltodexterin in it b4 I knew it was a nono.  So I'm using it anyways.  They said 4 T is the same as 1 C of sugar.  But I've had to use a lot less, not quite the pure stevia strength though.
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: Elenita April 22, 2009, 04:14:15 PM
Mamatoto, that is so great that you have some paying clients. I'll pray that you will be able to work from home and be with your little one! I can really relate to you, with God doing things last minute and I've often seen it in other peoples lives too. So don't get discouraged! He won't let you down!

If you are already thin and still hungry, I personally would think it's not the yeast but your body that's hungry. I mean, we don't want to starve ourselves, only the candida ;). I sure don't know everything about yeast, but I would eat if I'm hungry, especially when nursing! Maybe you could eat stuff like veggies, nuts. But that might not be enough?! :-\

Rebecca, I sure hope you won't get kidney-stones!

WI Cheeshead, I think too it's a good idea to wait for summer, if she feels well enough to wait. As I said I really don't feel like putting my sons on a diet right now, but at least I try to have some changes in their diet. Less flour and sugar. Exchange the normal yogurt to the 24-hours yogurt. I finally found a way that works here. The taste is more sour, but you can add something (Stevia?) to sweeten it. As I understood it, if the yogurt ferments for 24 hours, than all the lactose is gone, and you can eat it.

I'm visiting a friend the next days, and I read about other people being in the same position. For some it seems like it worked staying on their diet, for others it didn't. Well I baked a lot of almond-flour muffins to take with me, also almonds to chew on. (I'm flying there, so I can't take a lot of stuff) I think she wouldn't bother if I don't eat everything, and she would let me prepare some extra stuff. But she has a 3-month old, her first, and I really don't want to be a bother for her. So I would appreciate your prayers for these next days.
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: Mamatoto April 22, 2009, 07:10:23 PM
Elenita- I'll definitely add you to my prayer list the next few days.  It sounds like you have a good game plan - and if your friend has a new baby, maybe you'll be on kitchen duty instead of her ;) Thanks for the input on eating when hungry - that was my initial thought, but when you're still hungry after five meals and five snacks ??? and don't have an unlimited grocery bill ::) Anyways, it's good to know I'm not crazy for just planning on eating non-stop.  After DS was born, I quit my job in DC and moved across the country to Colorado to start my own business so that I could be with DS all day, every day.  (I'm a single mom.)  As a former immigration officer, the logical business to open was an immigration filing services business.  So a prominent location where I can see clients is a "must" - I have DS with me at the office, but I would love to be able to stay home and not have an "outside job."  So I'm praying for a husband ;) In the meantime, DS is SLOWLY adjusting to life in an office (although it looks more like a day care than an office), so I guess it's good the clients are coming in slowly as well.  I almost wonder if some of my hunger is related to being "bored" - not that I'm really bored because I'm playing with a very active 9 month old, but when you're trapped inside an office all day, eating becomes an "activity."  Today we were busy and I found myself not as hungry as yesterday - only ate four meals and three snacks, and am about ready to make myself some dessert (sauteed tomatillos and rhubarb ;D).  (Although that doesn't explain the ravenous starvation felling I get at night, or the weak-muscle feeling I seem to have all day long.)  But I'm going to just plan on eating more than normal every day, and if I don't go through it all I'll just eat it the next day.  The weather seems to be warming up, so hopefully I'll feel like eating raw veggies soon!!  I'm finding that taking the digestive enzymes and extra fenugreek is making a huge difference in my stomach/digestion - I skipped the enzymes with breakfast and ended up with a tummy ache :-[ I guess my gut is sort of a war zone right now (and hopefully the candida are on the losing end of the battle :D), so the extra digestive help is making quite a difference in how I feel.

WI Cheesehead- That tea sounds yummy!  I'll have to keep it in mind as soon as the weather warms up...

Rebecca- I definitely wouldn't worry about sticking to Bee's diet in particular, so long as you are on an anti-candida diet of some sort.  It sounds like you used her diet as a launching point, then made the adjustments you needed to make to make the diet work for your family.  Keep on doing what you need to do to make this work!!
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: ridgerunner April 23, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
Hi ladies,

I'm going to join you in here because although I'm not doing doing this in as structured of a way as you all are, I am working on getting rid of Candida and (knowing myself as I do) committing to posting my progress here will help me stick with it.  So... Hi! 

I've not made drastic changes in my diet, just cut out a bunch more carbs than I already had (I already only at whole grain carbs, now I just try to only eat them in one small serving per day if at all), added a ton of cayenne, and am taking homemade tinctures. 

I think I'm dealing with fungus too, and I have problems with chronic pain and fatigue so bad that I'm taking stuff for that too.  Right off the top of my head, here's what I take on a daily basis:

Pau D'arco tincture
Celery seed tincture
Mullein leaf tincture
Ginko Biloba tincture (not every day, just as needed)
Skullcap tincture (as needed also)

I also take Evening primrose oil capsules (1000mg 3 times per day), and a biotin supplement to help grow out my hair ;).  I usually crush up a garlic clove and swallow it in a tablespoon of honey almost every day (sometimes I forget) eat tons of plain natural yogurt, and am drinking kombucha every day.  I sometimes miss a couple of days on kombucha because I run out before my next batch is ready. ::) 

A lot of my homemade tinctures, etc. have become so ingrained into my routine that I don't really think about them anymore... so I'm probably forgetting some stuff that I'm doing here. 

I think the die off has started, and I'm not drinking enough water because my skin just suddenly went bizarre!  I've got horrendous zit-like cyst-ish things all over my chin, neck, and shoulder area that just came out of nowhere in the last 5 days.  And am having pain in joint areas like wrists, finger knuckles, etc.  ugh.  Did you all go through this?? ???  I haven't read all 12 pages, so if you went over that and I missed it I apologize.  I've thought about cutting back a little but I don't want to do that, I'd rather get it over with.

Mamatoto - I noticed (in the pages that I did read) that you're taking fenugreek.  Is that because you're nursing, or does it have an affect on candida?  I hadn't heard of using it for that, but I could easily miss something. ;D

Time for me to sign off and go to bed...  I look forward to talking to you all. :)
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: WI Cheesehead April 24, 2009, 11:05:19 AM
Well, I think we finally have an answer as to my DD's nauseau and inability to eat much!  The GI dr. had her do a gastric emptying test, where she eats a meal at the hospital and they watch it go through her.  The dr. says she has "rapid gastric emptying" which can cause the nausea.  She said to get some apple pectin and mix it in liquids, not drink much liquids with meals and stay away from the refined sugars and grains (which I already do).  So there's a step in the right direction.  I am still going to limit our grains (not totally - but I'm looking to get soba noodles), milk and sugars.  Going to try SOME gluten free cooking.  Wish me luck!  ;D  I am reading the GFCF thread with interest re: my 6 yo too.  Since we've limited the grains and milk, he seems to be a better behaved child, generally. Hmmm.
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: WI Cheesehead April 24, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
Oh, and here's a recipe we make that might be okay for this diet.  You could use broccoli instead of beans, less carrots, Bragg's liquid aminos and leave out the sprouts (we never use them).  It doesn't make a lot of sauce, so we usu. double it at least.  It says serves 4, but easily serves 5-6.

Quick Ground Beef Skillet

1 lb lean ground beef
4 tablespoons butter or margarine
2 medium onions, quartered, sliced
3 medium carrots, thinly sliced
1 garlic clove, minced
1 (9 ounce) package frozen cut green beans, thawed
3 tablespoons soy sauce
1 teaspoon cornstarch
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon ground ginger
2 cups fresh bean sprouts

1Crumble ground beef into a large frying pan with 2 tbsp of the butter. Cook over medium-high heat, stirring until browned. Remove meat from pan. Set aside.
2Add remaining 2 tbsp butter to pan, along with onions and carrots. Cook, stirring, over medium-high heat until carrots are tender-crisp, about 6-8 minutes.
3Mix in garlic and green beans. Cook 1 minute longer. Return ground beef to pan.
4Blend soy sauce, cornstarch, salt and ginger until smooth. Mix into ground beef mixture.
5Cook over medium heat, stirring until thickened. Add bean sprouts and cook about 1 minute longer.
6Serve with brown rice.
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: WI Cheesehead April 25, 2009, 02:37:10 PM
Okay, one more thing that I found.  I was at the Asian Market today and found plantain chips.  I've never had them before and looked them up on Wikipedia.  They aren't eaten raw, like bananas.  They're mostly used in cooked recipes, or fried.  They are much lower in sugar than bananas.  The bag says 1 g sugar and only 8 g carbs.  It's all natural, with only plantains, veg. oil and salt.  It tastes like a sub. potato chip.  The bag was $1.09 for a 3.5 oz bag, so cheaper than a 1 oz bag of chips.  Anyways, I wish I had bought more.  The Asian Mart is too far to go except to stock up.  I even found rosewater there!
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: Mamatoto April 25, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
Oh!  The past few days were so overwhelming that I had a hard time washing my face, not to mention logging on :( It seems I have so much to catch up on!

Welcome, Ridgerunner!  Your symptoms sound really icky - I haven't had any skin or joint pain so can't really empathize, but I can definitely sympathize (or is it the other way around :D).  My die-off symptoms all seem to resemble cold or flu symptoms, which I guess is good because it's somewhat familiar :-\ I remember linemansgirl saying (after she got through her initial die-off symptoms) that she was glad she didn't add foods back in to minimize the die-off.  I agree that, as long as you can still function reasonably well, I'd rather just get the super-ickiness out of the way.  Which is why I'm trying to decide how to proceed if our yeast infections haven't cleared up by Day 80 (Week 12) - that's my new "deadline."  Is there any way to speed things up?  As far as taking fenugreek goes, I'm doing it primarily for my milk supply (I don't want my limited food list to negatively impact DS's food source) and secondarily for digestive help.  I'm taking two tablets twice daily with my lunch meals (and one tablet of digestive enzymes twice daily with breakfast and dinner - that way I just keep one bottle at the office and one bottle at home).  Would you mind letting me know what all your tinctures/supplements are for?  I'm familiar with some of the herbs, but not all.  As a sidetrack, have you found the biotin helpful for your hair?  I started taking horsetail with this cleanse primarily for parasites and secondarily for calcium assimilation, with the added benefit that silica is good for hair.  But I'm always on the lookout for anything to help with my super fine, super thin, not-much-there hair :)

WI Cheesehead- That's so great that you have an answer to some of your DD's problems!  Have you read The Maker's Diet?  If not, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND reading it.  The whole purpose of the "diet" is to heal and strengthen the GI tract.  It's a 40-day 3-step plan, and step 3 is basically a "maintenance step" "forever."  I never went through all 3 steps (although I plan on doing so to reintroduce foods slowly after we're done with the candida cleanse), but I've been eating step 3 for about 3 years and think it's great.  Please keep the recipe ideas coming ;D A lot of things don't fit with my version of the diet, but they definitely get the wheels in my brain working 8) and I can usually come up with a way to adapt the recipe - a definite benefit of the cleanse is that I'm learning to be much more flexible in my cooking with recipes.

Linemansgirl- Are you still with us?  I've been wondering if maybe you're not battling candida, but instead are battling dysbiosis instead.  Dysbiosis is simply an imbalance of the good and bad bacteria in your gut.  You would still have negative reactions to sugar, but wouldn't necessarily have a candida overgrowth.  IMO, the candida diet is really hard to stay on for a prolonged period of time, so I'm wondering if you would have any luck doing the full 40-day Maker's Diet to see if that helped you at all.

Well, I think today is the end of Week 8 (I guess I'm not counting in days any more).  My living situation is making it very challenging to cook, and today I simply did not have the time or energy to do anything in the kitchen except boil some oatmeal, so I spent money I didn't have and ate out for lunch, dinner, and a snack.  So far as I know, I ate on the diet (although there's no way to know if there was any added sugar or other undesirables in some of the ingredients), but I didn't take any supplements and I only drank about 5 cups of water all day.  But I am just so overwhelmed with my living situation that I think I'm hitting a breaking point and I just don't know what to do about eating (whether on or off the diet, it would be the same).  I don't have a menu plan for this week and haven't done any grocery shopping because I need to figure out how to eat without using a kitchen more than a few minutes each day >:  I guess the only answer that immediately pops into my head is to eat lots of fresh cut veggies.  But while I know I need to increase my veggie intake, I also know that won't keep me full.  To keep from getting hungry throughout the day, I need to eat often and include a lot of protein.  Please help!!  I need ideas!

I'm pretty sure that a few non-diet-related things are slowing down the healing process: discontentment, stress, and lack of sleep.  But I honestly don't know how to counter any of them right now.  I suppose the biggest thing I need right now is prayer, and the second biggest thing I need right now is a support system (in what is still an unfamiliar city).  And the only way to create that is through prayer, so I guess I just need prayer. 

Well, in the time it took me to write this, DS has woken up 4 times...teething?  I hope it's not another ear infection.   ??? So I'd better go - also because it's almost 1am and I need some sleep :'( There he goes again :'( Sorry for the downer post, but I feel like I am really dragging emotionally and I don't know how to sound chipper when I'm not feeling chipper. :(
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: ridgerunner April 26, 2009, 04:12:10 AM
Hi Mammatoto...  about things you can eat without cooking, I'm not sure exactly what you're specific diet restrictions are, but what about peanut butter?  (Or some other nut butter...)  You can buy all-natural or make it yourself.. home-made almond nut butter is really good.  I like to add any kind of nut butter to oatmeal, or some cut veggies like celery.  It would add protein and keep you full longer.  If nuts aren't an option, what about beans?  You could made a hummus/dip from whatever kind of bean you like and are allowed to have.  Make up a bunch of it at once and then you can just dip some out to have with your cut veggies and get the added protein.  If you can eat either of those let me know and I'll look up my recipe if you need it.

Regarding speeding things up, are you drinking kombucha?  I think that helps, I know it kicked my die-off into gear.  Also, most of the herbal tinctures/supplements are for candida/fungus.  the pau d'arco is an anti-fungal/anti-yeast, celery seed is an anti-fungal, evening primrose oil is anti-candida (and also good for hormone balance), cayenne helps kill candida and is also excellent for the heart (I've had heart issues in the past), mullein is for pain and allergies, skullcap is for pain and anxiety/nerves, and ginko biloba is for energy and concentration.  There are (as I'm sure you know) many other actions/benefits from these herbs, but these things I've listed are the reason that I take them.  :)   

I haven't noticed a huge difference from the biotin yet, but it's only been a couple of weeks.  It's funny you mention the horsetail because I have a horsetail tincture brewing to start taking for my hair, it's just not ready yet. ;D 

I'll be praying for you.. sounds like you're in a really difficult time in your life :(.  I hope and pray things get better for you soon! 
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: WI Cheesehead April 26, 2009, 07:34:56 AM
Mamatoto - I was wondering, since you hadn't been on for a couple days.  Today I'm feeling like a slug.  I'm hoping it's over by tomorrow.  I know what you mean about not wanting to cook a lot.  It seems like this diet requires a lot of making everything from scratch (which I've done a lot of anyways, but having to add in stuff like mayo, ketchup, etc. would be overwhelming.)  On a brighter note, I am going to make your recipe for breakfast sausage patties today.  Leaving out the cayenne though.  And I'm using dried minced onions, probably a no-no, but I'm too lazy to cut the onions!    Have you looked at the GFCS thread?  I'm perusing it for flours I can use that are acceptable.  The GF flour mixes have a variation of these flours (not all in one mix though) Garbanzo, arrowroot, tapioca, brown rice.  I'm going to try one and try some lemon blueberry (I know the blueberry isn't on your diet, but the lemon is!) muffins that have a secret ingredient - pureed cauliflower.  I got the muffin recipe from Deceptively Delicious.  I've tried a few of her recipes and they usually turn out well.  I'll have to adapt some.  If you ever get any energy, maybe you can mix up a big batch of muffins to freeze for snacking later.  If you use brown rice flour only, though, it doesn't work well.  You have to use a mixture.  If you want, I can post the recipes I saved, but haven't tried yet.
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: WI Cheesehead April 26, 2009, 09:48:06 AM
I've been reading through a few candida recipe books and here's one that looks good (from The Yeast Connection cookbook).  She seems to like th vit. C crystlas for leavening.  Not sure why it's in the nut milk.  You could use your own nut/rice milk instead:

Carob-Buckwheat Waffles
4-6 waffles
If you’re adding the chopped nuts, use the same kind to grind for the nut milk.  The optional eggs will make the waffles lighter.

1 C white, unroasted buckwheat groats
2 ½ T starch (arrowroot, tapioca, potato)
½ C carob flour
½ tsp salt
½ C walnuts or pecans, chopped (opt)
1 ½ tsp baking soda

Nut Milk:
½ C any nuts, raw or lightly toasted
2 C boiling water. divided
½ tsp vitamin C crystals (unbuffered, corn-free)
1/3 C walnut oil (or other oil)
1 T vanilla

Optional:
2 eggs, separated

Preheat waffle iron to medium.

Grind 1/3 C groats at a time in a blender.  Pour the flour into a large mixing bowl.  Add the starch, carob flour, salt and chopped nuts.

In the same blender (without washing), grind the remaining nuts to a fine meal.  Scrape the bottom and sides of the jar; add 1 ¾ C boiling water, vitamin C crystals, oil and vanilla; blend for one minute.

If using optional eggs, mix yolks (if desired) into the batter and beat the whites, in a small bowl, to soft peaks.  Use a rubber spatula to fold them into the batter (in the next step).

Pour the liquids over the dry ingredients.  Whisk lightly until the mixture is blended.

Combine the remaining ¼ C boiling water with the baking soda (it will foam up).  Stir to dissolve and whisk into the batter.

Use a measuring cup to pour 1 C batter into the heated waffle iron.  Cook until done.
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: Mamatoto April 26, 2009, 06:44:28 PM
WI Cheesehead- Oh, that carob buckwheat waffle recipe sounds yummy!  But I've got a few questions about some of the ingredients:  (1) Why would starch be ok during the cleanse?  Doesn't starch have some sort of natural sugar in it?  For example, if I can't eat potatoes, would I be able to eat potato starch?  (2) What exactly IS baking soda? (3) Is carob flour the same as carob powder?

I would love the lemon cauliflower muffin recipe!!!  I don't normally like cauliflower so might be scared to try it, but also definitely want to expand my horizons with this cleanse :P I'd loooooooove any recipes you've found that sound good, even if I can't make them right now.  - What do you think of The Yeast Connection Cookbook?  Would it be worth getting?  Have you actually read The Yeast Connection book (as opposed to the cookbook) and, if so, what do you think about it?  I flipped through it at the natural food store today, but didn't see an actual eating program - although DS was getting really tired so I didn't flip through all that carefully ;)

Ridgerunner- I bought some almond butter at the natural foods store today, but would love a recipe for homemade, if you have it!!  I ate a lot of almond butter at the beginning of my cleanse, but then got burned out and forgot about it.  So thanks for the reminder!  Also, your hummus idea is great - I only have garbanzo bean recipes, but I'm not eating them.  So if you have any recipes that could use other types of "regular" beans (black, white, kidney, navy), I would love them for next week's snack :)  I used to drink kombucha every day before I started the cleanse, but then I read somewhere (can't remember exactly where) that you shouldn't have it during an anti-candida cleanse because not all the sugar gets eaten up by the scoby and the candida can feast on what's left over...it's hard to know what sources to listen to because sometimes they contradict themselves, so I've just been playing it safe.  And our pediatrician told me not to have anything fermented except the ACV...??

Thank you so much for planning to pray for me!  As of today, I have only a little more than 1 square foot of kitchen counter space I can use, and the area in/around the kitchen is no longer safe for DS.  So I can't really do much when he's awake - he doesn't like being carried on my back, but when I'm wearing him on my front he can reach everything :( So that leaves nighttime, when I'm supposed to be working on business stuff.  So here's my plan for this week:

Breakfast - amaranth, rolled oats, and/or brown rice cereal with coconut oil, ground flaxseed, bee pollen, chopped almonds, and almond butter (thanks for the idea, ridgerunner - I never would have thought to put nut butter in hot cereal)
Lunch (just doing one this week) - spinach salad with mint, a few different types of sprouts, roasted red peppers, sundried tomatoes, artichoke hearts, cucumber, red onions, freeze dried peas, green olives, and kalamata tapenade
Dinner - chili (I made way too much last week) over millet
Snack #1 (this will be my main snack) - fresh cut veggies with almond butter
Snack #2 - almonds
Snack #3 - puffed rice cakes with lots of butter (not my first choice since it's somewhat processed, but I don't have to do any preparation on this one!)

Well, that's what I was able to come up with off the top of my head going down the grocery aisle ;)  Tonight I'm going to get all my salad ingredients ready and chop my veggies and almonds, and then I should be pretty much set for the rest of the week.  I'll just have to assemble everything each night for the next day, then grab and go when we head out.  So my only "cooking" will be hot cereal and re-heating chili and millet after DS is asleep.  Sigh!!  I hope this week is easier than last week.

Elenita- Thinking about you and hoping you're able to stay on the diet while visiting your friend!

Have a great Monday, everyone!
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: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 03:31:27 AM
The waffle recipe was in the Yeast Connection bookbook, so I think it's okay.  I'm pretty sure I read that arrowroot powder is a good sub. for cornstarch, so you wouldn't have to use potato.  I'm not sure about the carob "flour" vs powder.  Powder and flour seem to be used interchangeably in some things.  I'm guessing that the powder is okay, since a regular choc. brownie or whatever recipe could use 1/2 C of powder.  I don't know exactly what baking soda is, but it's used a lot with baking powder to get the rise out of non-yeast breads, ie cake, cookies, pancakes etc.  I'll get that lemon muffin recipe for you later today.  I tried combining 2 muffin recipes (one GF recipe and that one) and it came out a pretty different consistency - kind of more like chewy brownies (not choc. tho).
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: ridgerunner April 27, 2009, 04:05:29 AM
Almond nut butter recipe:

2 cups raw almonds
1-2 Tbsp. safflower oil

Blanch the almonds for 1 minute, remove from heat and set aside to cool for 3 minutes.  Strain almonds and remove their skins.  (Squeeze the almond with your thumb and finger and they nut will slip right out of the skin.)  After they've been 'skinned', set them aside to cool for about 5 minutes.  Put the almonds in a skillet and cook over med. heat for 3-4 minutes or until lighly toasted and fragrant.  Remove from skillet and cool.  Put cooled almonds into a blender or food processor and grind to a powder.  Add safflower oil as desired until the nut-butter reaches the desired consistency.

I know a lot of you don't use non-stick skillets (for good reason!) but I just wanted to throw out there that if you don't you'll need to be super-vigilant when toasting the almonds in the skillet or you'll end up with a burned mess.  I'm sure it can be done, I just haven't managed it.   ;)

Edited to add:  this is a basic recipe that you can use for pretty much any nut-oil combination.  Cashews, hazelnuts, pistacios, or reg. old peanuts.  Different or infused oils can make it really interesting too...  ;D
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: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 05:18:16 AM
Instead of the traditional hummus, try this:

White Bean Dip
2 (15 ounce) cans cannellini beans, rinsed and drained
2 tablespoons olive oil
2 garlic cloves, minced
1/2 cup fresh basil, minced
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon white pepper

1In a food processor, combine beans, oil and garlic; process until smooth.
2Add basil, lemon juice, salt and pepper; cover and process until blended.
3Refrigerate leftovers.

Or this (minus the cheese and maybe salsa?):
Black Bean Dip

1 (15 ounce) can black beans, rinsed and drained
1/2 cup green onion, chopped, plus
1 tablespoon green onion, chopped, divided
1/2 cup tomato, chopped, plus
1 tablespoon tomato, chopped, divided
1/2 cup salsa
3 garlic cloves, minced
1/2 teaspoon chili powder
1 tablespoon canola oil
1/4 cup cheddar cheese, shredded, divided
1/4 cup fresh cilantro, minced
tortilla chips

1Saute beans, 1/2 cup onion, 1/2 cup tomato, salsa, garlic and chili powder in oil for 4-6 minutes, until heated through, gently smashing the beans.
2Remove from heat and stir in 3 tablespoons cheese and the cilantro.
3Transfer to a serving bowl; top with remaining onions, tomato and cheese.
4Serve warm with tortilla chips.

Here's a black bean recipe that I have to try yet.  You could sub rice noodles or leave them out (and leave out the cheese).

Easy Italian Skillet Supper
1 (14 1/2 ounce) can vegetable broth
8 ounces uncooked orzo pasta
1 (14 1/2 ounce) can diced tomatoes with basil oregano and garlic, undrained
1 (15 ounce) can black beans, rinsed and drained
2 cups frozen broccoli carrots cauliflower mix
2 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley (optional)
2 tablespoons shredded parmesan cheese
Directions
1Heat broth to boiling in a 10-inch skillet.
2Stir in pasta and heat to boiling; reduce heat to low.
3Cover and simmer 10-12 minutes or until liquid is absorbed.
4Stir in tomatoes, beans and vegetables.
5Cover and cook over medium heat 5 to 10 minutes, stirring occasionally, until vegetables are tender.
6Stir in parsley; sprinkle with cheese.

And this lentil recipe is really good:

Lentil Soup from Ricardo
2 onions, chopped finely
2 garlic cloves, chopped finely
1/2 teaspoon curry powder (I used cumin)
1 tablespoon olive oil
2 carrots, peeled, diced finely (I used 3 carrots)
5 cups chicken stock or vegetable stock
3/4 cup red lentil, rinsed
hot pepper paste or harissa (I used Sambal Oelek)
salt and pepper (I didn't add salt)

1In a casserole, brown onions, garlic and curi powder or cumin in oil.
2Add carrots and sauté 1 minute.
3Add remaining ingredients.
4Bring to boil, cover and let simmer slowly 10 minutes.
5Adjust seasoning.

White Bean Soup With Swiss Chard

8 ounces great northern beans
3 tablespoons olive oil
2 large onions, chopped (red & white)
2-3 carrots, peeled and finely chopped
1/2 lb red swiss chard, ribs and leaves coarsely chopped
5 cups vegetable broth
3 garlic cloves, minced
1 bay leaf
1 teaspoon fresh coarse ground black pepper
3 tablespoons fresh parsley, chopped

1Place the beans in a large pot and cover with water. Let them soak overnight.
2The next day, drain the beans, reserving 2 cups of liquid.
3In a large pot, heat the oil. Add the onions and saute until tender, about 5 minutes. Add the carrots and saute for an additional 3 minutes. Add the chard and cook until wilted, about 3 minutes. Add the broth, reserved bean liquid, beans, garlic and bay leaf. Partially cover and simmer for 1-2 hours, until beans are tender.
4Remove bay leaf. Puree half of the soup in a blender. Return to pot with remaining soup. Add salt, pepper and parsley.

: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: ridgerunner April 27, 2009, 05:48:35 AM
WI Cheesehead -

Your 'white bean dip' recipe is exactly the same as mine that I call 'white bean hummus'.  :D  I was just looking for it to post when I saw yours... it's item for item exactly the same.  I don't always make it that exact way, but that is what I've got written down.  :)

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: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 07:05:47 AM
WI Cheesehead -

Your 'white bean dip' recipe is exactly the same as mine that I call 'white bean hummus'.  :D  I was just looking for it to post when I saw yours... it's item for item exactly the same.  I don't always make it that exact way, but that is what I've got written down.  :)
I got the recipe off of Recipezaar.  Just made Mamatoto's b'fast sausages.  I think the kids will probably think it's too spicy (not hot, but flavor).  I just realized, making my own is just about as much as the all natural ones I found with nothing bad in them.  Might just keep buying them.  Much easier.
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: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 07:58:05 AM
I wonder if I should be going on the whole program myself.  I'm generally healthy, but have been getting these bouts of fatigue for no reason.  I used to get them at least once a month, so I want to a naturopath.  He said my "polarity" was off and one other thing.  Gave me some drops (expensive) that helped.  I haven't been back to him bcz I can't afford the extra cost right now.  In the last month, I've had 2 bouts of the fatigue again.  It usu. lasts 2 days.  I took the Yeast Connection's checklist and only came up with 76 points, which puts me in a "possibly" category, as opposed to probably or definitely.  HOWEVER, I wasn't sure how to answer a couple questions about antibiotics, since I don't remember specifics about my childhood.  These would add on another 40 points if true, and put me in the probably category.  Anyways, I still am very frustrated about meals, esp. lunches.  I end up making mac 'n chz bcz I have no energy for anything else (albeit it's organic).  Maybe tomorrow I won't be in such a funk...
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: ridgerunner April 27, 2009, 08:37:52 AM
I'm right there with ya WI C-!

It occurred to me this morning that I'm probably going to have to go all out with this diet if I'm going to get anywhere.  I'm wondering if, since I'm not being very strict with sugar/carbs, maybe I'm going in circles.  Feeding the candida, then killing the grwth that was just created and leaving the initial candida behind so that next time I eat sugar.carbs it grows some more... That may not even make sense, but it seems like I'm getting a lot of die-off crap with no other progress and the die-off never gets better.   :-\


Do you know what was in the drops your naturopath gave you?
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
I'm not doing too badly with the sugar.  I've been experimenting with the stevia.  I just made a "cracker" with flax meal and parm. cheese, but then the cheese wouldn't be allowed.  I have a bunch of different recipes I want to try, when I'm feeling better.  I have to order from Swanson Vit. again for the apple pectin, so I may just add in the candida cleanse for myself.  Not looking forward to it though.  The bottle doesn't say what is in the drops.  Sorry.  It's from a company called Nutri Energetics.
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: ridgerunner April 27, 2009, 10:03:37 AM
I didn't even realize that cheese isn't allowed in anti-candida.... I thought the issue was mainly carbs/sugar.  I don't eat much actual 'sugar', but I do have a serving or two of grains.  I thought those were a no-no, but I noticed that Mamatoto was talking about hot cereal.... so maybe not.  Maybe I should just get the book.... I haven't read Yeast Connection.
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: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 12:22:42 PM
From all my reading, depending on whom you believe, there is so much not allowed.  That's what has me frustrated!  Some say no legumes even.  Cheese is out bcz it's made with bacteria (I think?)  But I'm still going to be eating some cheese (in cooking and letting my kids eat string cheese).  Amaranth, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are all allowed (except for some sources!)  I think Mamatoto is allowed brown rice bcz she's past her initial phase.  Millet is a great sub. for oatmeal.  I've had it.  All dairy, except for butter (and again, some say no!) is out.  I'm going to try making almond milk.  We buy raw almonds to snack on here.  Unfortunately, DD doesn't like almonds.  Canned vegetables with citric acid is out - which leaves most of the canned tomato products out. (!)  I tried making my own mayo with the NT recipe, but it got rock hard in the fridge.  Maybe I'll try it with half CO and half EVOO.  I'm glad to know someone else is just figuring it out.  I think I'm not going to be totally die hard.  But I'm trying.  Made chicken divan tonight with arrowroot powder for the flour (turned out really good!)  It had milk, but I'm not going to be that picky!
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: ridgerunner April 27, 2009, 03:08:23 PM
WI C-

Have you checked out this site?   www.scdiet.org  I think it's what a lot of people are basing their diet restrictions on, and it allows some cheeses.  The most common ones (cheddar, colby, etc.) area allowed.  I was really shocked to see that they allow honey (yeah! ;D)  but not stevia. 
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: WI Cheesehead April 27, 2009, 04:23:40 PM
I did look at the Breaking the Vicious Cycle (her website about her book) and looked at the legal/illegal foods list.  There are too many areas that are way different than what I've read about candida and what to avoid, that I'm not following that.  Honey would feed yeast, therefore shouldn't be allowed (at least the first part of the diet when you're trying to kill it off).  Stevia doesn't feed yeast.  It's the only sugar that doesn't (except, maybe Xylitol? and veg. glycerin-if it's not corn based).  Apples are legal, which have a high amount of sugar.    There are so many more.  A lot of fruit juices are legal!  Did you see the homemade hot dog recipe?  I had to copy that!  Now I just have to find casings.  I have one of those cookie presses with attachments for stuffing hot dogs.  And I just looked at her pickle recipe and it uses a ton of white vinegar.  Oh well.
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: ridgerunner April 27, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Yeah I was kind of confused by her site.  It talked a lot about treating yeast, but seemed to have a lot of sugar in there.  I didn't notice the hot dogs, I'll have the check that out. :)  My 2yo loves hot dogs, but they kinda gross me out.  I just saw casings at the store today... It was at Harter House.  Not sure if the have those in WI....
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: Mamatoto April 27, 2009, 08:38:53 PM
When I started out, I picked my plan, knew what was on my allowable foods list and supplements list, and went for it!  I had no idea why things were allowed vs. not allowed, or why some of the supplements were recommended.  But I figured it didn't really matter.  Thankfully, I have gleaned a few of the "whys" along the way.  So here's what I think are the basics:  Yeast feeds off sugar, whether natural or processed.  So to kill off the yeast, we need to starve them by not taking in any sugar.  Obviously sugar has sugar, but so do simple sugar natural sweeteners like honey and maple syrup.  Stevia is actually an herb - mine is the dried leaf and looks just like basil or something else green - so it's not sugar.  And according to our pediatrician, xylitol (sugar alcohol) is digested differently than sugar, and so somehow doesn't feed the yeast.  But then there's natural sugar in fruit (fructose), dairy (lactose), and grains (can't remember the name of the sugar in grains - I found it in The Maker's Diet book a couple weeks back, but my book is downstairs and I'm upstairs right now with DS sleeping on my lap and I don't feel like disturbing what appears to be a peaceful sleep just to go get the book :)).  So that means we need to cut out fruit, dairy, and grains.  Some plans allow grapefruit or berries.  Our pediatrician is allowing me to eat grapefruit because grapefruit seed extract is an anti-fungal (among many other things), and so grapefruit is somehow ok.  And I think the plans that allow berries do so because of a low glycemic index - but I have no idea what that means...??  Some plans allow lacto-fermented dairy like kefir because the fermentation "eats up" the lactose.  But then other sources say don't ingest anything fermented because there is still some residual sugar left after the fermentation process.  At least two plans I know of allow brown rice, although I have absolutely no idea what makes that any different from other grains.  My plan allowed brown rice from the start, but no other grain-like items.  But after our first 40 days, our pediatrician wanted me to add amaranth, millet, and oats to make sure my blood sugar didn't go completely out of whack.  Again, I'm not sure why they would be ok - she did mention that they were gluten-free, but I'm not exactly sure what that has to do with candida.  (Something about candida producing a substance that is similar to gluten, so your body might confuse the two and start attacking the gluten, thus provoking a toxic reaction...??)  Anyways, check out post #311 on this thread for the list of allowable foods on my plan.  I'd say find a plan and stick with it, regardless of what the rest of us are doing.  The most important thing is MEAL PLANNING.  If I didn't plan my meals, I would either (1) not eat because I couldn't figure out what I could make within the diet's limits, or (2) end up eating something I shouldn't because I'm starved and can't figure out what to make. 

Well, that carob buckwheat waffle recipe really got me drooling :P So I decided to buy The Yeast Connection book and see what he/she has to say (although I'm not sure when I'll have time to read it).  And if I like it, maybe I'll buy the cookbook (or then again, maybe I'll just rely on WI Cheesehead to post the best recipes ;)).  I read one candida cleanse book a few years back, but it's still in storage and I don't remember much about it.  So mostly I've learned what I've learned from this forum and from our pediatrician.  I know that Bea's website has a lot of information, but IMO it's the most confusing, poorly-designed website ever, so I've only been on once and don't plan on going back.

Anyways...I made it past the first 40 days as planned, and then added some foods our pediatrician said would be ok.  So I'm going to stick with this "second phase" for 30 days and then re-assess.  I was having a really hard time handling the "indefinite cleanse" feeling, since the candida wasn't cleansed by the end of the 40 days like I hoped it would be.  DS still had a yeast rash in his diaper area:  on a positive note it seems to be getting lighter and staying lighter, but on a negative note it seems to be creeping higher and higher.  And I still had a mild vaginal yeast infection, although on a positive note I only noticed it for a few minutes yesterday and I didn't have any itching today.  Anyways...after passing a 40-day phase and a 30-day phase, I think I'll totally switch gears and (assuming I like the book) follow The Yeast Connection plan.  Until then, I'm sticking strictly to my diet, which means no baked goods, baking soda/powder, nuts (except almonds), etc., etc., etc.  But I am already looking forward to a completely different plan that supposedly will do the same thing at the end as the plan I'm on right now.  After 8 weeks (or is it 9?), I'm starving for change!!

On a really positive note...I ran out of Fungal Defense so switched back to my almost full bottle of Candex WITH NO PROBLEMS!  I started the cleanse with Candex, but that only lasted 1 1/2 days because I was having such a strong reaction that I was literally incapacitated the entire day and night with such horrid stomach cramps that I couldn't even sit up...not good with an energetic baby and a new business.  So I totally went off anti-fungals for a few weeks, then started up with Fungal Defense, but only 1/6 the dosage and worked my way up from there.  And now I've been on Candex for two days with no problems!!!  So that definitely means things are working ;D ;D ;D
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: pljammie April 28, 2009, 07:35:16 AM
I have the Yeast Connection Cookbook and have read his book called the Yeast Connection as well.  Just thought I'd throw in a few thoughts for those of you thinking of buying it.  (btw...I got mine used for about $2 on amazon)

It is a cookbook for people with candida albicans as well as those with multiple food allergies.  There are  many different types of recipes and some would not be appropriate for someone just starting the yeast diet.  Sometimes he notes a recipe as being for "when you are well."  He uses fruit to sweeten some things and that would be a no-no on yeast diets.  He also has a variety of gluten free/dairy free breads, tortillas, crackers.  I've made many of them and so far have liked all of them.  He addresses allergies a lot because many people with candida albicans have problems with food allergies.  If you follow Healing Naturally with Bee she disagrees with the idea of food allergies in general.  Never the less, when I cut my allergic foods out (eggs and butter which are staples on Bee's diet), I finally overcame YEARS of eczema.  My personal opinion is that if you have a food allergen, eliminate it.  It will help you heal faster.   

The recipes that I have tried are:
*Oat granola (does contain fruit, you can sub stevia and glycerin)
*Oat Waffles
E-Z Tortillas
Sesame Oat Crackers
*Oat Bran Muffins
Buckwheat Crackers (these are my favorite and very easy...hard not to eat the whole batch)
Leek "cream" sauce

*I don't think oats are allowed on candida programs.  I had these items after I felt like I was getting better.

I refer to this book a lot when I'm out of ideas and want something new to eat.  He has a sample menu plan with ideas for how to rotate foods based on what family the foods belong to.  More of an allergic rotation diet than candida.  The book is over 300 pages with the first 100 pages being a discussion of candida and allergens.  Most of the remainder is recipes.  There is a section of recipes for common substitutes, ie, eggs, vinegar, baking powder, sweeteners, nut butters, dairy, salad dressing, etc.  It also has an organized index that makes it easy to find recipes by type or specific ingredient.  I think it would be pretty easy to find a recipe that works with whatever plan you are on.

hth,
Jammie
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: WI Cheesehead April 28, 2009, 08:00:09 AM
I made the Carob Buckwheat Waffles (into pancakes) this morning.  Very easy, except I used 1 T of baking powder and 1 tsp of soda (instead of the vit C crystals - mine aren't unbuffered).  They turned out really fluffy and pretty good.  I would recommend adding some stevia.  There is no sweetener in the recipe and the carob has no sweetener, so we had to put some powdered sugar on them and they were fine.  Next time I will add some stevia or glycerin.
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: ridgerunner April 28, 2009, 11:43:56 AM
When I started out, I picked my plan, knew what was on my allowable foods list and supplements list, and went for it!


Yeah, picking my plan is what I'm having trouble doing.  :-\

Obviously sugar has sugar, but so do simple sugar natural sweeteners like honey and maple syrup.  Stevia is actually an herb - mine is the dried leaf and looks just like basil or something else green - so it's not sugar.


Right, that's why I was really surprised that the site on anti-yeast diets I was looking at had stevia dis-allowed and honey allowed.  Doesn't really make any sense.  :P  My stevia is just the dried leaf too... looks like a seasoning rather than a sweetner.

Glad things are going good for you all!  I've done TERRIBLE with my diet the last 4 days...  :-[  Gotta get back on track...  ::) :D

: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: WI Cheesehead April 28, 2009, 01:46:10 PM
Here are the bread type recipes I copied from Yeast Connection:

Country “Corn” Bread

1 C water or fresh fruit juice (or mix the 2)
½ tsp vitamin C crystals (unbuffered, corn-free)
2 C flour (amaranth, buckwheat, quinoa, millet)
1 tsp baking soda
1 tsp guar gum (opt)
½ tsp salt
1/3 C oil
1-2 T water or juice (opt)

Preheat oven to 400°.  Oil and flour a pie plate or an 8- or 9-inch baking pan.

Combine the water or juice with vitamin C crystals and stir.  Set aside to dissolve.

Combine flour, baking soda, optional guar gum and salt in a bowl;  whisk well to distribute the soda.

Add liquid with dissolved crystals and oil at the same time; stir quickly with a few swift strokes (only until the dry ingredients become moist.)
The batter should be heavy but pourable.  If necessary, add another 1 or 2 T of liquid.  Scrape batter into the pan and bake 16-20 minutes, or until toothpick comes out clean.

Variation:
Carob Bread: Sub. ¼ C of carob powder for ¼ C of other flour.  Sweeten the bread with aguamiel or use fruit juice or Stevia Tea (1/8 tsp mixed with the water) for liquid.


Buckwheat Crackers

1 C white buckwheat flour
¼ C arrowroot or tapioca
¼ tsp salt
3 T sesame seeds
2 T sesame oil (cold-pressed)
½ C water

Preheat oven to 400°.

Mix the flour, starch, salt and seeds in a small bowl.

Make a well in the center of the flour and pour in the oil and water.  Stir with a fork.  As the flour absorbs the liquid, the dough will start to clump into a ball.

Oil the center of a cookie sheet (the flat kind w/out edges is easiest to work on).  Leave the outer edge, about 1 inch, unoiled.

Scrape the ball of dough onto the middle of the sheet and pat into a flat rectangle.

Oil one side of parchment paper or foil.  Place the oiled side down on the dough.  Using a rolling pin, roll the dough out very thin (it should fill the oiled space on the sheet).

Cut the dough into 2-inch squares.  Salt the tops lightly, if you wish.

Place crackers in the oven; immediately reduce oven temperature to 350°.  In 12 minutes remove them from the oven and lift off the crispy crackers around the edge.  Put on a rack to cool.

Separate the remaining crackers with a spatula.  Turn the oven off and return those crackers to the oven for 10-20 minutes until crisp.

Amaranth Soda Bread
Yeast Connect: Best warm or the first 24 hours.  Because all soda breads are crumbly, they are best for open faced sandwiches, or with soup or stew.

¾ C warm water, or nut milk or stevia tea
¾ tsp vitamin C crystals
2 ¾ C amaranth flour, divided
¾ C arrowroot or tapioca
½ tsp salt
1 T anise seeds or fennel seeds, ground (opt)
4 T oil
2 T boiling water
2 tsp baking soda

Preheat oven to 400°.  Combine water and vitamin C crystals; stir and let stand to dissolve.

In a large mixing bowl, combine 2 ¼ cups of the flour with arrowroot, salt and ground seeds; whisk lightly.

Add liquid with crystals and oil to the flour mixture.  Mix with a spoon.

Sprinkle a little of the remaining half-cup of flour in a circle centered on a baking sheet.  Put the rest of the flour on a bread board or parchment paper.

Dissolve baking soda in boiling water and add to the dough and stir.  Dough will be very stiff.  When the water disappears, beat hard for 10 strokes.

Turn the dough onto the floured board or parchment paper.  Roll dough to coat with flour.  Working quickly, knead for 2-3 minutes.  The dough will absorb enough flour to handle easily, yet remain soft.

Gather dough into a smooth ball and put it on the floured baking sheet.  Pat into an 8-inch circle, 1-inch thick at the edges and mounded slightly in the center.

Use a sharp knife to slash a deep “X” in the top of the dough.  Pop into the oven at once and reduce temperature to 325°.

Bake 55-65 minutes.  “Done” may be a little tricky to determine (toothpick test isn’t enough).  Using clean oven mittens, grasp the loaf and crack it open.  Look deep inside - uncooked dough appears darker in color, so is easily detected.  If you see that, put loaf back for another 10 minutes.  When the inside of the bread is uniformly pale tan, it’s done.

There's another website for candida sufferers with a "plan".  It has  a lot of recipes in the forums.  I copied a few that looked good and had good reviews. www.wholeapproach.com
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: Elenita April 28, 2009, 04:09:30 PM
Hi everybody,
I'm back from my visit (was actually to Mexico City, what turned out to be quite dramatic with the swine flue, but that's a different topic :)), and it went really well. Thanks for praying for me. My friend really wanted to support me and not have me quit my diet. And I did help her in the kitchen, Mamatoto ;), but it was actually more with washing the dishes. Also helped with the baby,... it was really a wonderful visit.

Mamatoto, I'm really sorry about all the stress you have right now in your life. I pray for you!!

I'm actually doing the SCD-diet, my main-reason for it was that a lot of the food that's allowed in other diets(millet, buckwheat,...) is stuff that I can't get here. It's also hard to get supplements and all these things. And I also read the book. It explains very good why fruit and honey is allowed. Actually it says if you have yeast problems (it's actually mainly geared toward people with digestive problems but also kills the yeast), you should cut down honey for at least 3/4th. I actually try to stay away from honey and not eat a lot of fruits and carrots.
She says Fructose and sugar in honey are monosaccharides, and the real problem are all the polysaccharides (like starch, sugar, grains,...).
Well I can't explain it all, but it made sens to me, so I'm trying it. It seems to help.
I was really confused too, with all the different stuff people say, but decided to try SCD and stick with it.  ;)
: Re: Anti-Candida Diets...Daily Log for Encouragement
: Mamatoto April 28, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
Welcome back, Elenita!  That's fantastic that your friend was so supportive with your diet - what a relief!!  It sounds like you made the right choice in picking the SCD diet.  How do you feel it's going?

Thanks for the cookbook review, Jammie!  It's good to know up front that not all the recipes are geared towards people on a candida cleanse.  I'll have to think about it some more...

But then every time I see a recipe that you post, WI Cheesehead, I think they sound so good!  Thanks so much for copying them out for me here.  I've been so long without bread products of any kind that I practically started drooling just reading the names of the recipes.  Good to know about the stevia recommendation for the carob-buckwheat pancakes, since I'm hoping to be able to try that one soon - but now after what Jammie said I'm hoping it's actually appropriate for the cleanse.  I guess I'll know as soon as I get to the "plan" portion of The Yeast Connection book.  But I suppose before I really commit to "phase 3" of my cleanse, I should make sure The Yeast Connection is the plan I want to go with.  It's funny that I've been doing a candida cleanse for over eight weeks, but I'm almost viewing this as a "new" cleanse - probably because it is so different from what I'm on that it almost seems like it's not a cleanse at all!!  But again, I haven't actually read the "plan" portion of the book, so I'll have to wait and see.  And thanks for the Whole Approach website - I only glanced at the home page and probably won't have time to really look at it until tomorrow, but I'm anxious to check it out.

Any luck narrowing down your plan, ridgerunner?  It's actually a bit annoying that all the plans are different - it makes me wonder, "would I already have this candida in check if I had only picked another plan?"  But there's no point asking "what if," especially since there's no way of knowing if whatever other plan I would have picked may actually have done me worse as opposed to better.  Maybe once you've got a specific plan you're committed to following it will be a bit easier to stay on track.  Don't be discouraged over the past few days...tomorrow is just as good an opportunity to take big strides towards better health than yesterday was, so who cares about yesterday - just focus on today and tomorrow :)

I'm forcing myself to eat lots of veggies this week, even though the weather isn't too hot.  And I'm wondering if I'm actually eating enough.  It takes me all afternoon to get through my salad and cut veggie snack.  This is probably a good thing for me, though (not the eating less, but the expanding my horizons).  I noticed, though, that when I eat my rice cake or almonds snack, I actually seem to get hungrier instead of fuller...??  My only complaint this week is GAS.  It got a little better, but now it's horrid again!  Really, really, stinky horrid!! :o  I'm sure this is somehow related to the cleanse - is this a sign my intestines and colon are getting cleaned out?  Or is it a sign that they aren't cleaned out?  Anyone know?

On that note, goodnight :P
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: WI Cheesehead April 29, 2009, 02:55:50 AM
I thought I read somewhere that you're supposed to be on the cleanse month for every year that you have been dealing with candida issues.  But they say, some people have been dealing wtih it for 10-30 years and that 10-30 months is to long to be on a cleanse, that it's not healthy to be on it forever?  Can't remember where I read that though!  What does your dr. say about how long it's taking?  If it were me, I would be frustrated, since I am hoping I wouldn't have to be on it so long.  But then, I'm not sure what your symptoms were when you started.  Girl, you need to get to bed earlier!  More sleep is always a good thing.  My chiropractor always told me, when he gets a cold, he doesn't take a bunch of supplements, except maybe C.  He makes sure he gets a lot of sleep.  Do you see a chiropractor?  Adjusting you spine will help your body to heal itself better too.  Just thought of that.  I have to get my DD there today.  On top of the stomache issues, she has mild scoliosis, so she gets adjusted regularly.

I was wondering, on this diet, how do you get enough fibre?  I suppose in raw veggies, but no one here will eat them, except carrots or salad (including me).  I tried the NT saurkraut (the Jap. kind) and it was pretty good, but don't think the family will like it.  I (and they) don't like the pickled cukes.  I think I'll try one of the bread recipes today (country "corn").
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: ridgerunner April 29, 2009, 05:55:21 AM
Hi Elenita!

I'm actually doing the SCD-diet, my main-reason for it was that a lot of the food that's allowed in other diets(millet, buckwheat,...) is stuff that I can't get here.


Has it been helping your candida symptoms?

Any luck narrowing down your plan, ridgerunner?

No... still working on it.  :D  I'm kinda looking now for one that would suit my 'lifestyle' best (one that I can actually stick to) rather than the one I think would work the best - kinda like Elenita was saying. 

WI C- I hope it doesn't take that long!!  ack... a month for every year of symptoms?  Sounds like about 2 years for me.
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: WI Cheesehead April 29, 2009, 12:54:11 PM
Well, I tried the "Corn" Bread and it did not taste good.  I don't know if it was the buckwheat, if that's what it's going to taste like if I use it, or what.  I liked the texture, but the flavor was like straight corn bread, with no sweetening.  I might try it with stevia.  I'm going to try Buckwheat Crackers and we'll see if it turns out similar!
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: Elenita April 29, 2009, 03:53:56 PM
I think I do see improvements with the diet. For the last 8 months I was struggling with a vaginal infection and went through 3 rounds of treatment and it was always better after that, but never got rid of it completely. I had, when I was in Mexico City, 3 days without itching!!!!, that hasn't happened since it started to be really bad (it actually was so bad that I hardly could walk), so even if the last two days a little bit of itching is back, I still think I'm on the right track.
The diet helped also with my sugar-problem. The doctors haven't figured out yet what it exactly is, but somehow my body has some kind of problem with sugar. I had a diabetes-test (because of the bad vaginal infection and because I'm always sooooo thirsty), it came out negative, but I fainted after I had to drink all the sugar. So, something's not quite right. I also felt like being addicted to sugar, and started to tremble and feel dizzy if I didn't have sugar. That went away pretty early in the diet and although I still would like to eat the cookies I just made for my boys today I don't feel like I have to have them or else,... so that's an improvement too. ;D
I got the idea from another thread
www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,19656.0.html

Mamatoto, do you like Avocados? If yes, you might like it the way we prepare it. I know there are many different Avocado-dip/Quacamole-recepies out there, but as you can't spend a lot of time in the kitchen I thought you might like it, and Avocados are filling :)
Just take a ripe Avocado and take the green stuff out, mix it with a little bit of lemon juice, salt and garlic-powder. I can't tell you the exact quantities, because one of my sons is my expert on making Quacamole and so I hardly ever make it. But I think, just by trying a little you would find out. (Plus, we make it for 10 people usually ;))
I can't help you with the Gas  though, I really wonder too what it means.

WI Cheeshead, I'm impressed by how you just try one new thing after the other. I think that's great. Maybe one of these days, with a little more energy, I will follow your footsteps ;), but I actually did make some almond flour - muffins, and almond-flour herb-bread, but that turned out pretty crunchy, more like crackers.

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: WI Cheesehead April 29, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
 :) Elenita - I think it helps that I don't have all you ladies' symptoms to deal with.  Mine just show up once in awhile (like last Sunday and Monday - I was totally out of it.)  I just tried this recipe from my dad, that I had kept for awhile, but never made.  I know Mamatoto's not eating chickpeas, but I bet she could sub. another white bean.  This was really good.  I shook even more cumin on my bowl too.  Instead of canned tomatoes, you could probably use fresh and save the juice?  I can't seem to find any canned tomatos (except paste) without citric acid (thought I read it was bad).  I also just made a BBQ sauce with a tomato paste base and my DH tasted it and liked it.  It was too spicy for me.  I like my sweet stuff that has ketchup, white vinegar, molasses and honey!  I'm going to make my own ketchup tomorrow.  Hopefully it will pass the test of the ketchup addict in our house (the 10 yo).  He puts ketchup on everything, even string cheese and fish crackers!  He is also a sugar addict.  This diet will be hard on him.  He lives for dessert and candy.

BTW I just rented Marley and Me.  It had a few somewhat iffy parts (couple swears and minor suggestive content, but in the context of marriage), but it was so good and taught such a good lesson about sticking with your spouse no matter what.  It was sad though.  I don't think I'll let the 10 or 6 yos watch it though (as per suggestive content).
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: Mamatoto April 29, 2009, 08:27:18 PM
What does your dr. say about how long it's taking?

We went in for DS's 9-month check-up about the time my first 40 days was ending, and I was discouraged that we still had yeast symptoms.  But she said it usually takes longer than 40 days to cleanse the body of a yeast overgrowth.  Then I asked her how long it usually takes, and she didn't really respond.  She just said that it would be obvious when we were all cleaned out because DS's yeast rash would be completely gone.  So basically, I have no idea!  I, too, read somewhere about cleansing 1 month for every year of symptoms.  But it's hard to know when my symptoms started because it's hard to know what symptoms are really yeast-related.  My first bout of vaginitis was when I was 17, but I started the hard-core anti-acne drugs when I was 11.  At 12, I started having serious sweat issues and have had almost no relief until a couple weeks into the cleanse.  I didn't have any overactive sweat glands for a few weeks, which made me wonder if they were yeast related.  But about a week and a half ago I'm back to "normal" so then I thought maybe it was just a fluke.  However, the candida questionnaire in The Yeast Connection asks about excessive sweating so maybe it is a candida issue...??  Anyways- if I count from 11 then I should plan on 22 months on the cleanse, which simply doesn't seem possible and certainly doesn't seem healthy.  The Yeast Connection mentioned that many people are "cured" in 3-4 months, so that's what I'm hoping for.  I think if I'm not completely cleansed by summer, I'll take a break.  My regular diet is very healthy (MD and NT), so hopefully an otherwise healthy break won't put me back too much.  But I can't imagine going a summer without fruit or ice cream (NT recipe, of course!) ;)

Girl, you need to get to bed earlier!

I know!  Sigh!  I think a week or so ago I vowed to be in bed by 10:30 every night, but obviously that hasn't happened.  I know that proper sleep helps heal the gut, and poor sleep makes things much worse.  But there just doesn't seem to be enough hours in the day!  We usually get home from the office around 7:45.  By the time I get DS to sleep, make dinner, eat dinner, clean up after dinner, do a couple loads of laundry (we're cloth diapering), and tidy up, it's bedtime.  And then I need to put a couple hours of business stuff in.  By that time it's past midnight.  But I like to spend at least an hour before bed doing something relaxing.  So I read or get on here, and then one thing leads to another and my half hour is 1 - 1 1/2 hours!  (Notice there's no shower on that list - my goal this week is to find the time to take 2 :-[ Boy have I changed since I had a baby!!)  I did a great Bible study a few years ago called "Lies Women Believe and The Truth That Sets Them Free."  One of the lies we tend to believe is that there isn't enough time to get everything done that needs to get done.  The truth is that, while there isn't enough time to do what WE think needs to get done or what OTHERS think needs to get done, there is just enough time to do what GOD wants done.  I really need to focus on that instead of my list of things to do, huh?  Maybe if I weren't so long-winded in my posts I could get to bed earlier ;D  But it's so nice to "talk" to adults in English after a day of talking to a 10-month old or in Spanish all day long :)

  Do you see a chiropractor?  Adjusting you spine will help your body to heal itself better too.  Just thought of that.

We usually see the chiropractor every other week, but since I've been low on money, we've only been making it in once a month.  Maybe I need to rethink this and make it more of a priority.

  I was wondering, on this diet, how do you get enough fibre? 

I have found a myriad of ways to incorporate ground flaxseed into about everything I make!  I put about 1/4 cup on my hot cereal; I add about 2 T (per my 1 serving) into almost anything I sautee (like chicken sausage with bell peppers) - it adds a little texture and quite a bit of bulk; I substitute it into recipes that call for a little flour (like pan-fried chicken) or bread crumbs (like meatloaf); today I added some to my salad.  A few years back I read in What The Bible Says About Healthy Living that the best way to tell if you're getting enough fibre in your diet is to check and see if your BMs are "floaters."  If they float, then you're getting enough fibre, and this may be TMI, but it seems like I'm getting enough :P

Well, I tried the "Corn" Bread and it did not taste good.  I don't know if it was the buckwheat, if that's what it's going to taste like if I use it, or what. 

How disappointing!!  The first thing I thought of when I saw the recipe was amaranth - wonder how that would taste.  But I suppose the unsweetened issue would still stick regardless of the grain used.  I first tried buckwheat about two years ago in a granola recipe, and I hated it.  So I think I'd have to psyche myself up to use it again.  Although I do love buckwheat pancakes, though ???

I had, when I was in Mexico City, 3 days without itching!!!!

That is fantastic!!!

Well, my goal tonight is to be in bed by 1 (bit by bit I'll get back to my regular bedtime) so I'd better be going.  I seem to be having trouble getting my nighttime supplements in - I think I'm just to exhausted to take the pills.  So tomorrow I'm going to try taking as many as possible in the morning.  It wasn't too long ago that I split them up more evenly because I was getting nauseous taking so many in the morning.  But I'd rather get nauseous taking them instead of not taking them at all :( And I'm going to try to up my charcoal intake in hopes it will help the gas issue :)

Ridgerunner- I keep forgetting to ask: do you make your tinctures in an alcohol base or a glycerin base?  Would one be better than the other for someone with yeast issues?
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: WI Cheesehead April 30, 2009, 02:18:21 AM
Mamatoto - just wanted to make sure you're not taking the charcoal with the vitamins.  They'll pull them right out too.  You have to wait 2 hours.

Was the acne antibiotic Accutane?  I remember taking that and my mom seems to think it was topical, but I think it wasn't.  I know if you give blood, they ask if you've taken it, so it's gotta be bad.  :(  When I took the yeast connection test, if I include the acne drug, I get pretty close to the "probably" rating at 110.  I did order a bottle of the cleanse for me, but am probably not going to start until summer.  Less responsibility (unless I end up getting a PT job - which may be a worse time!  But at least I don't have to deal with school and HW at night.)  Do you have the one son?  I am right there with you on the business of a mom with young kids.  Mine are all 6yo or older, so at least they can feed themselves, dress themselves, entertain themselves, do some housework, yadda yadda.  But I know it's hard, and then you're trying to get a business off the ground.  You're a very busy, but courageous woman!  Hang in there.

Even though we're not taking the yeast cleanse yet, I've been trying to do most of the diet.  Anyways, yesterday, at my Bible study we had a potluck.  Well, most everyone brought either muffins or donuts.  I brought apples and PB.  I ate a couple muffins and half a donut.  My stomach feels lousy today.  And my foot started itching where I get some athlete's foot!  I wonder if the diet really is helping.
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: ridgerunner April 30, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
I ate a couple muffins and half a donut.  My stomach feels lousy today.  And my foot started itching where I get some athlete's foot!  I wonder if the diet really is helping.


WI C- I'm so glad I'm not the only one!  I did really good yesterday, but someone brought in 5 boxes  :o of doughnuts to the office this morning and I gave in and ate one.  I do feel kind of nauseas now though.  :P

Mamatoto- I made my tinctures in an alchohol base (Vodka) before I'd decided to do the yeast cleanse.  I'm still using them because I don't have the time to make all new ones right off the bat and I figure that using them should still have some benefit even though the sugar in the alcohol may counteract some of that.  I think that the best way to make tinctures while on the yeast diet would be with ACV.  I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not glycerin's OK, but I think most of the cleanses allow ACV so that seems safest.  I have a friend who uses ACV for all her tinctures and is very happy with it...

Also right there with ya on trying to maintain some sort of balance in life with a baby... I do have a husband he helps but I still have to work full-time (for now...) because he's finishing up school (will graduate this summer) and my daughter is 2yo.  I'd give anything to be able to keep her with me, but right now I have to take her to a babysitter and then leave for the office.  :'(  I'm gone 11 hours per day.... when I get home it's all I can do to get supper and spend time with her and my DH much less meal plan, clean house, etc.  I'm working at it though... At least I have help!  I hope you will too soon.

Good idea about the avacado's Elenita... I loooove guacamole.   ;D
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: pljammie April 30, 2009, 06:25:18 AM
Ridgerunner- I keep forgetting to ask: do you make your tinctures in an alcohol base or a glycerin base?  Would one be better than the other for someone with yeast issues?


Glycerin should be safe if it is not derived from corn.  I got my glycerine from bulk herb store and it is made from Palm.  Some diets say no to glycerin, but www.wholeapproach.com says it is ok, so I use it in moderation for things like this and sometimes in baking or smoothies. 

In general, I found the whole approach to be more realistic for a long term diet. (you can have some carrots, sweet potatoes, a little rice, etc)  The cleanse portion is different than others, in that they use psyllium and bentonite clay to get the yeast out.  I have not tried this portion of their diet and can't comment on how it works.  I don't recall if they have a list of supplements or not.  The supplements on Bee's diet have worked well for me, so I use many of them.  I have not been sick at all this winter even when everyone else in my house was.  I was completely free of yeast issues and since Easter have had sugar...real, white sugar (there was a bad day that involved 3 cadbury creme eggs  :o) and now some of my symptoms are back so I'm gradually going back to the diet.

hth,
Jammie
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: pljammie April 30, 2009, 06:27:43 AM
Here's a link to the foods list on whole approach in case it hasn't been posted before:
http://www.wholeapproach.com/downloads/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf (http://www.wholeapproach.com/downloads/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf)
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: ridgerunner April 30, 2009, 07:13:50 AM
Thanks Jammie!
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: WI Cheesehead April 30, 2009, 07:49:15 AM
Here's a link to the foods list on whole approach in case it hasn't been posted before:
http://www.wholeapproach.com/downloads/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf (http://www.wholeapproach.com/downloads/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf)

Yep, that's where I've been getting some of my recipes to try.  I just made a BBQ sauce from there and want to try ketchup.  How are you getting glycerin from Bulk Herb Store?  Did they start selling it?  They used to refer you to Azure Standard.  I bought there the last 2 times, but the shipping's so much bcz it's far away.  I found another place that sells it closer, but they say it doesn't say where it's from.  I think I'll call again and see if I can get a better answer.  I'm thinking of getting the bentonite, but I already have the charcoal, which does a similar thing and I have the psyllium and aloe juice. 
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: orcuttranch April 30, 2009, 09:48:21 AM
Have any of you tried Bio K?  It is a probiotic liquid yogurt product (each bottle is 3.5 oz).  You can research it online.  I just found out about it, so am new to the product.  I had been taking freeze-dried probiotic capsules to help combat yeast and they didn't seem to be working as well as I wanted.  I saw some improvement, but it didn't seem to completely clear it up.  I finally gave in and bought the Bio K (it is expensive) at my local health food store.  I bought it on Saturday and either drink or add into my shake in the morning about 1/4 to 1/3 of a bottle.  At night before bed, I would pour a couple tablespoons into a paper towel to drain the excess water out and apply it topically (can only do that with the plain variety - flavored has sugar of course and that would be detrimental for topical application).  Anyway - all of the itching was completely gone in 3 days.  The ladies in the health food store told me that they both drink a complete bottle a day, but I can't afford that.  Anyway - I am a believer and have loved the product in the 5 days that I have been using it.
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: ridgerunner April 30, 2009, 10:19:41 AM
Nope, I never heard of Bio K.  I don't go to the health food store much though.. I spend too much money when I do!!  ;D 

WI C-

Yeah, the BHS sells Vegetable Glycerin.  I saw it on there the other day.
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: WI Cheesehead April 30, 2009, 03:14:19 PM
Nope, I never heard of Bio K.  I don't go to the health food store much though.. I spend too much money when I do!!  ;D 

WI C-

Yeah, the BHS sells Vegetable Glycerin.  I saw it on there the other day.

Wow! is it expensive.  I've been getting it for $18 gal.  They want $25 for 1/2 gal.  I think I'll stick to the other one.
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: pljammie April 30, 2009, 03:36:38 PM
I saw the Bio-K+ online.  I wonder if kefir wouldn't do the same thing, only cheaper. 

I had no idea the glycerine was so expensive...It was in my Christmas stocking from hubby.

A good recipe from whole approach is for Creamy Broccoli Soup.  I used homemade chicken broth and it was very yummy.  I also used frozen veggies.  It tasted like normal food and even non-healthy food eatin' family members liked it.  ;)
http://wholeapproachforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7156011311/m/4296040721?r=4296040721#4296040721 (http://wholeapproachforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7156011311/m/4296040721?r=4296040721#4296040721)

Jammie
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: WI Cheesehead April 30, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
PLJ - have you tried this one from wa? It's called Choc. (avocado) Fudge  There's another one that this one was based off of called "mousse".

http://wholeapproachforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4141099073/m/10710515

I'm going to Sam's Club tomorrow, so I may have to try this.  My DD is finally balking at the restrictiveness on the carbs, since I never know what to send for lunch and it's usually never enough.  I might try the choc. avocado recipe and not tell her.  She's so skinny and has to gain weight anyways.  Me, on the other hand...  I can't believe those people kept talking about being size 6 or 2 or 0!  I'm 5'2" and have never been any of those sizes (maybe as a kid?)  I need to bake a bunch this weekend to see if I can find any bread or crackers that my family will tolerate.  Otherwise, I may have to bake some regular bread for lunches.
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: Mamatoto April 30, 2009, 07:51:41 PM
Lots of great information today - thanks so much, ladies!! 

WI C- I've been on every acne antibiotic on the market.  From 6th grade on, until I finally agreed to do Accutane in college.  (My nurse practitioner wanted to put me on it years before, but I am afraid of needles and you need to get your blood drawn once every few weeks so I said "no.")  It's definitely not topical and is very, very scary!  They monitor your blood because there are so many bad side effects.  I don't remember what most of the serious ones were, but I do remember having to be on birth control pills before they would let me start (even though I had never had sex) because if you get pregnant your child is guaranteed to have serious birth defects.  And I remember I was only allowed to shower once every three days because it dries out your skin so badly - I had cracked, bloody skin everywhere and my nose would run blood.  There was a whole list of foods I wasn't allowed to eat because there was a potential for toxic reactions.  You can lose a lot of hair.  Etc. etc. etc.  Thank you Accutane (and all the other acne drugs) for my candida issue >:( I scored a 179 on the yeast test :o

WI C and Ridgerunner - I used to have a gut of steel until I started eating MD about 3 1/2 years ago.  Now I get really sick if I have sugar.  Here's my theory: in my pre-MD days, my gut was coated in toxins.  This contributed to my migraines, fatigue, etc.  But it also made my body sort of numb to the food I ate - nothing was really going straight into the blood stream because of the build-up of guck.  Instead it just added to the guck to make me overall more icky.  But once I stopped taking in toxins and my body started getting rid of them, the food I ate started hitting the bloodstream immediately.  And since sugar is toxic, I would immediately get sick.  I knew I wasn't doing well when I stopped getting sick after eating sugar - after moving to Colorado, I slowly started ingesting a little sugar here, a little sugar there (much of it in food I didn't prepare myself) and pretty soon I was ordering mint hot chocolates at Starbucks instead of lattes sweetened with honey, cinnamon, and nutmeg (and then buying a mint brownie to go along with the hot chocolate).  And it was about at this time that DS's yeast rash started to spread and got redder and more irritating.  Thus the cleanse!!!  Overall, I didn't find it too hard to eat sugar-free when you're making everything at home, so long as it's your kitchen ;) and you have plenty of dates, raw honey, and pure maple syrup in the cupboards.  But when you're eating out or at other people's houses it is definitely a big challenge.

Jammie - Welcome back!  (but I'm sorry you have to be here ;)) Would you mind writing up a quick explanation of Bee's plan?  I tried going on her website again tonight, but it was just so overwhelming and laid out so confusing that I just closed the browser.  I see where she has her food lists, but then there's something about ratios...?  And what are the supplements she recommends?  Anything else in her plan that I should know about?

I'm trying to figure out where to go from here.  I browsed the Whole Approach website and really like it!!  But I also really want to be able to eat fruit this summer, so here's my thoughts:  Keep going on a good candida cleanse plan until the first day of summer (which is also Father's Day and I want to be able to do my usual in-memory-of-my-father thing that I missed on the anniversary of his death because it involves sugar).  Then I plan on eating MD over the summer, and switching back to the candida cleanse diet in the fall to take care of this once and for all!!  I think I'll do the Whole Approach then, which will last at least four months.  So what to do between now and summer?  Should I keep on the same diet/supplement plan that I've been on for 9 weeks now?  Or should I switch it up?  I also want to do the full 40-day MD plan at some point (I never went through all the phases before or took all the supplements, etc.) AND I also am thinking about doing a Dr. Schultze cleanse.  I just read through a thread on his cleanses, and have been looking at his website, and he recommends the bowel cleanse plus two other supplements for yeast.  It sounds like the cleanse might take a week and a half or so.  I'm not exactly sure what diet he advocates during his cleanses, but from what I gather it's vegan.  But I suppose I could just eat whatever would be allowed both on his plan and on whatever candida plan I'm on.  I can't decide...any suggestions?
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: WI Cheesehead May 01, 2009, 02:42:22 AM
What is the linke for Bee's website?  When I went on there, all I remember reading is you can't do this, you can't do that, etc.  All things that other plans recommend doing, ie psyllium, bentonite, etc etc.
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: Elenita May 01, 2009, 05:13:27 AM
WI-Ch Here's the link to Bee's site:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

Mamatoto: I think you'll find a general overview over Bee's plan on page 1 of this site.

I don't know much about the MD or the WholeApproach, but you might consider looking into the SCD diet, at least for the summer, because you are allowed fruits, but it still is starving yeast. Just a thought, sorry to add more options :-[
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: WI Cheesehead May 01, 2009, 06:04:44 AM
Here's the link (thanks Elenita) that I looked at.  It seems like she's pushing her products?  No cleanses, no charcoal, no bentonite, no kombucha, no flushes, no psyllium and on and on.  That's why I chose not to follow it.  Too many no's that people on WTM use successfully.  I made some candida friendly tortillas today from WA that are awesome!  Even with some buckwheat.  They're soft, easy to make and taste good (with seasonings) plus lots of fiber with psyllium and flax.  If I didn't post "Soft Wraps", let me know if you want the link.
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: orcuttranch May 01, 2009, 08:31:47 AM
I saw the Bio-K+ online.  I wonder if kefir wouldn't do the same thing, only cheaper. 

Jammie

According to the lady that I spoke with at the health food store, she said that she had had problems for a long time.  She had even switched to vegetarian, was doing all the pro-biotics, kefir, yogurt products, etc. and was still having yeast problems.  She had really bad adult acne and just general digestion problems.  She said that she heard about the Bio K and researched it.  According to her, she needed this extra strain to get her body back to a healthy state.  Then all the other things can really help keep it there.  It apparently has a certain strain (CL 1285) that the other probiotics don't have.  I did some research on it and it does seem like this strain shows really great results.  She said she started taking the Bio K and hasn't had another problem in 7 years.  But she does still take it every day.  She said that her acne was completely taken care of, she doesn't have any digestion problems anymore and hasn't had one more bout with yeast.  Now, of course, this was her story and I didn't see her before to validate her story - but I will say that she had really great skin!  When she told me she used to have really bad acne, part of me wanted to say, yeah right - that is how good her face looks now.  So, take it for what it's worth - I was convinced when I was there and have seen amazing results myself.  Once the problem is taken care of and the flora is returned to a healthy state in the intestines, then apparently if you take about a tablespoon or so a day, that will help to maintain it, but I would imagine kefir might too?  That would be a little more doable financially.  But yes - it is expensive!
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: ridgerunner May 01, 2009, 09:01:49 AM
This is the first day that I've made it this far without eating any sugar!  No honey in coffee, no bread of any kind, etc.  Yeah!  I don't feel too bad.... just can't quit thinking about it.   :-\  Keeping on though...  :)

Edit- I forgot to say, yes WI C-, I'd like to have the recipe for those soft wraps.  :)  (Or a link to the recipe..)
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: Elenita May 01, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
Congratulations Ridgerunner, keep it up :)

About the Bio K Yogurt, couldn't you just by one, use it as a starter and make your own yogurt out of it, it still should have the CL 1285 strain in it, doesn't it? So you could still have the good strain, but way cheaper- just a thought.

Mamatoto, I really hope you find help and get the rest you need. Maybe we shouldn't post so much, so that you can go to bed earlier ;). My sister and I were raised by a single mum, so I know a little bit how hard it can be. I sure am praying for you.

My big frustration of the day was my Yogurt. I lost the thermometer that someone kindly lent to me (probably one of my little boys got a hold of it :-\) and the last two times the oven got obviously to hot, and so I can't eat any of it, and I can't buy thermometers here.....   ::) :( >:(   I already was looking so much forward it  :(.

I'm getting a little bit tired of all the preparing - for my family it's already enough, and now all this extra-stuff just for me :P.

Well, the weekend is coming ;) that might help.

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: ridgerunner May 01, 2009, 11:41:02 AM
About the Bio K Yogurt, couldn't you just by one, use it as a starter and make your own yogurt out of it, it still should have the CL 1285 strain in it, doesn't it? So you could still have the good strain, but way cheaper- just a thought.

That sounds like it would work.... Good idea!  (Anyone know any reason why this wouldn't work?)
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: WI Cheesehead May 01, 2009, 12:31:11 PM
Here's the Soft Wraps recipe:
BTW I made it with 1/2 C buckwheat, 1/2 C millet (flours) and 1/2 C (as stated) brown rice flour, plus 1 tsp chives, 1 tsp Pasta Sprinkle, 1/2 tsp garlic and onion powders.  Will add a little salt next time too.

http://wholeapproachforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9356011311/m/1361075434?r=1361075434#1361075434
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: herbalmom May 01, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
We aren't doing a Candida diet right now but we are trying to get off gluten. These look great & should be a great help since we are big on sandwiches in my family. (Since all 3 of my kids can't have dairy which leaves out many quick meals sandwiches of different types are one of our biggies for quick or on the go meals) We like wraps also & these would be cheap & easy to make.  Thanks, you just made my diet planning easier.  :-*

Please post the link on the GFCF thread also since they are gluten free. I'm sure the others following GF would like them also. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Mamatoto May 01, 2009, 08:56:02 PM
I've got a huge confession to make: I decided to take three days off the diet because, after two months straight, I was starting to obsess about grains to the point that I thought if I didn't allow myself some sourdough bread, I'd end up buying something really bad like a doughnut or something else that really is bad.  So today I drank a latte with honey, ate a loaf of sourdough bread, and also ate a bowl of oatmeal with dried coconut and pomegranate molasses.  I'm planning on doing something similar tomorrow and Sunday, and hopefully by then I'll have a solid plan and will have gone grocery shopping and done some cooking for the next couple weeks.  I'm NOT planning on eating sugar or anything I wouldn't normally eat, so hopefully this little break won't set me back too much.  But I almost changed my mind and decided not to do it just because I didn't want to have to post it here :-X I'm not really concerned that I'll totally fall of the wagon because I need to get rid of DS's yeast issues.  But I am concerned with my complete obsession over grains.  I think I'm eating more grains (brown rice, millet, amaranth, and oats) than I normally would eat - and even during my first 40 days when it was just brown rice, I ate it about 4-5 times a day.  And last night I went through an entire box of brown rice penne pasta.  That's not really normal, is it?  So when I woke up this morning my plan was to go on a plan which allowed for a nice variety of grains.  But now I'm wondering if I should do Bee's plan, which doesn't allow for any grains.  Otherwise I'll just eat keep obsessing and overeating on grains!  I suppose I could just limit my grains/beans intake to a certain number of servings a day.  The other option, I suppose, is to just keep my current plan.  But I really want to try some of the buckwheat recipes WI C pis posting and my pediatrician didn't mention buckwheat.  So I still need to think about this a little longer.  It will be interesting to see if DS or I get a reaction to any of the foods I eat this weekend.  We've had our fair share of die-off detox reactions in the last two months, each one a little more manageable than the last.  And I don't want to start that all over again.  But this diet is really hard for long periods of time!!!

I did finish most of my Yeast Connection book, but realized yesterday that I didn't get the normal one - I got one called The Yeast Connection and Women's Health.  I did learn a few things, so it wasn't a total wast of time.  But overall it was disappointing.  I felt it was really basic, and his plan seemed to contradict itself a couple times.  But most of all I just plain didn't buy into his "hidden food allergy" theory.  I sort of felt like he was saying that at the end of the day, you can help things quite a bit but you can't really cure yourself of candida overgrowth.  And I just plain don't agree.  I also just bit the bullet and read a few things on Bee's website.  She seems to be of the opinion that everyone should avoid certain things because some candida sufferers can't handle them - not necessarily because they fee the candida.  And she pretty much says don't use herbs or cleanses because you'll make the die-off process more intense.  Well, as long as I can still function, I'd rather just get it over with!  I think that's why she says it will take one month for every year of candida overgrowth - because she tries to avoid die-off detox symptoms!!  Once I figured that out, I felt much better about the prospect of getting rid of this candida in a "reasonable" time frame, although I'm still adjusting to the fact that it wasn't gone in 40 days like I thought.  Haven't had a chance to check out the SCD yet.

RR- Way to go making it at least past noon!!  How did the rest of your day go? 

Orcuttranch- I'm almost afraid to ask, but when you say the Bio-K is expensive, how expensive is it?

WI C- Please keep the yummy-sounding recipes coming!!  Some day (soon!?!) I'll try them all!

Elenita- I'm having a hard enough time planning and preparing food just for me - I definitely don't envy you (or anyone else with a family) right now.  I suppose things will get easier with time as they start to become second nature...??  What a bummer about the thermometer!  I know it's not a quick fix, but do you have family or friends here or elsewhere that will be able to send you a replacement ASAP? 

Also...I checked the label on my jug of vegetable glycerin from Mountain Rose Herbs and it says it is derived from palm.  It's $33 a gallon, so cheaper than BHS.  Where do you get yours for so cheap, WI C?  Do you know if it's palm or corn-derived?  I think it's kind of funny that it's called vegetable glycerin - I think of palm as a fruit!

Yeah!  Looks like I'll be in bed by 1 this morning...and I took a shower tonight :o Have a great weekend to you all!
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: WellTellMommy May 02, 2009, 05:38:37 AM
I agree with the thought that if you don't eat grains you'll get rid of the candida faster because if you have candida you most likely have LGS and grains at that point will keep the LGS from healing causing a candida set-back(JMO).
HTH,
Sherri
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: Elenita May 02, 2009, 06:03:10 AM
Mamatoto, I can understand that you need a break after all this time, but I just want to make sure that you know that grains have a lot of carbohydrates, and carbohydrates are actually sugar. They are polysaccharides and that's a form of sugar. Grains also have some healthier parts compared to plain sugar, but still, if you're craving grains, you might in fact just be craving sugar.  :-[
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: pljammie May 03, 2009, 05:46:33 PM
Mamatoto....
Here is another plan from Bee.  It is the 9 Day Program for Severe Die Off symptoms or digestive problems.  The enemas help flush everything out to minimize die off and the puree is easier to digest so your body can work on healing and not have to work so hard digesting.  The other good thing is that it speeds up the healing since the enemas speed up the elimination of candida toxins.  If it were me, I'd try to make a good portion of the food raw so that you will have those naturally occurring enzymes to help you out.  It's easy to add blended raw veggies to a cooked soup puree.  Adding more EVCO and garlic will also increase die off.  Be careful as you up the amounts. I've done too much and spent the day laying in bed and running to the potty very sick.   EVCO is also great to rub onto rashes/eczema.  It soothes the rash as well as speeds healing if it is caused by candida.  Also, if you want to heal faster, then  cut out all grains.  Of course, do this in steps, because you can really get sick if you do too much at once.  Your 3 days off won't set you back totally.  The biggest problem is that a break like that can trigger cravings for food not allowed on the diet.  However, after a few days back on the diet those cravings will  subside.  You are right.  This is a hard diet for a long time, especially if you are still cooking normally for everyone else in the house.
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig6.php (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig6.php)
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: Mamatoto May 03, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
Thanks to you all for the encouragement and ideas this weekend!  It's interesting that, even after the first day of sourdough bread, honey, and a latte, my yeast infection flared up, DS's nose started running again, and I started craving sugar.  So what I learned is that I shouldn't plan on taking the summer "off" unless I am convinced the candida is completely gone :( For now I think I'm going to stick with the original pediatrician-tweaked plan just because it'll be easy for me to menu plan with something I already know (and I'm super tired and overwhelmed these days, so I don't want to throw myself for too much of a loop) BUT limit my intake of brown rice, millet, amaranth, oats, and beans to 3 servings a day total.  And when I say servings, I mean 1/2 cup max.  I got the 3 servings idea from the book What to Eat When You're Expecting, which I found to be the best nutrition plan for me when I was pregnant.  (As a disclaimer, I do NOT recommend the book What to Expect When You're Expecting.)   I like the book because it gave an easy-to-understand chart of different food groups (calcium, protein, whole grains, vitamin C fruits/veggies, red/yellow/green fruits/veggies, other fruits/veggies, fats, and iron), how much to eat in each food group, and what constitutes a serving of each food type.  Anyways, the book also has a chart for nursing moms, and the whole grains section in that chart lists 3+ servings.  So that's where I'm getting the number 3.  I do agree that I should probably just cut out grains altogether if I want the maximum effect of this diet, and this weekend definitely proved that grains have sugar that feeds the candida and makes them want more, but we've definitely had our share of die-off symptoms (the most violent of which occurred during the first 3-4 weeks) with the allowed grains, so I want to see how things go just limiting them.  I'm also doing additional research on supplements to see if I should add some, subtract some, etc.  Can each of you post what you are taking (or plan to take once you're fully on the plan)?

I think eventually I'd like to transition to the Whole Approach plan, which seems to offer a bit more variety in the nuts and legumes departments, as well as allows some additional grains but imposes severe limitations on those grains.  But I want to see how my own grain limits work to see if I think I should even keep them in or if I think I should eliminate them to speed up the cleanse and/or prevent additional cravings.  I also like the food rotation idea from the Whole Approach plan, but this would require a lot more planning on my part.  So I think I'd want to have a whole month worth of meals planned out, and then do a lot of cooking a few nights in a row and freeze a ton so I can rotate each day.  I took the test and came up with a score of 240, which is horrifically high.

This is the second time in recent weeks enemas have come up, so maybe I should seriously consider it, but I'm just plain too scared to try one!  I really should prep tomorrow's food, but I'm so tired and I don't have any work that can't wait until tomorrow, so I think I'll head to bed at a fairly decent hour :D Only about 20 minutes past my bedtime!!!!! 
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: WellTellMommy May 03, 2009, 09:30:29 PM
Just want to say that I'm glad you're in tune to all the symptoms that you see, ;) It's  taken me years to realize that a kiddo with a runny nose = a symptom of candida not a cold. ::)
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: Elenita May 04, 2009, 02:09:58 PM
Mamatoto, I hope you find something that works for you, and is not too much work :P.
Actually I'm not taking any supplements. Just garlic (and that more to avoid the flue ;)) Sorry, no big help there.

After having a headache for several days and being completely tired out, I remembered that I'm anemic, and I hadn't taken enough iron :-\. Taking more iron helped but my muscles still felt terribly weak, and interestingly I didn't seem to loose any weight at all. I don't have a scale, but I noticed that my clothes still fit the same :(. So yesterday I remembered that I read that if your body doesn't get enough energy from eating, it just takes it out of the muscles, instead of the fat storage, because that's easier.(Does anybody know, if that's right?) So yesterday I started with a little bit of exercise, and it seems to help. I know that during a cleanse you shouldn't exercise, but the SCD is not really a yeast cleanse, it's a diet you can do for a long time. So I'm just trying it out.
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: WI Cheesehead May 04, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Well, I am trying to get aloe vera juice into her, plus spirulina, but they don't taste so great.  I don't think she'll take the spirulina unless I sneak it into a smoothie.  I thought I read that CLO is good, but is that different than fish oil?  I am trying to get her to remember to take fish oil too. That's interesting about being low on iron.  I stopped taking iron (extra) because my multi's had extra calcium, which conflict with the iron.  So I'd have to take it in the middle of the day, which I never remember.  I've been tired a lot lately, at least one or two days every week, mostly beginning of the week.  Maybe I'll start taking it again.  I do need to exercise again.  I used to do so well, exercising 3-5 days a week.  Now I'm not doing anything, except I have been getting short, 15-20 minute walks when it's nice out (walking the dog).  My kids have to condition to do the 1mile run (Presidential fitness) soon.  So I'm hoping to get them out and walking longer.

I'm definitely going to be making a big batch of those Carob Buckwheat pancakes.  It's the only thing that everyone seems to like.  I just tried the Carob Avocado Fudge and it tastes like bittersweet chocolate.  DD didn't like it, but son (the sugar addict) did. :)  I love it, since I'm a dark choc. fan.  I also want to try the mousse and the flan (made with spag. squash).  I think for mother's day and my birthday (in June) I want to get a food processor attachment for my Bosch.  That would be so nice!  Mamatoto, what will you be doing for mother's day?  Will you see family? This would be your first one, right?  Make it special.  I had to remind my husband that mother's day is this weekend.  :o
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: pljammie May 04, 2009, 05:28:35 PM
This is the second time in recent weeks enemas have come up, so maybe I should seriously consider it, but I'm just plain too scared to try one!  

I know I suggested the enemas, but I only do them if desperate.   :o  They just aren't fun even if they are effective.  I think you are doing a great job and implementing a little at a time is the easiest way to beat the candida.  It's just to hard if you try to do it all at once.  When I started I used this plan before ever taking supplements.

1- cut out all foods with sugar
2- cut out all sugar and fruit
3- cut out high carb veggies
4- cut out all grains
5- cut out all dairy
So I think this sort of plan would work no matter which diet you prefer.  Just do it in baby steps and only add new things once you have that step down to a routine.

After this, I started with supplements.  Over the course of the months I found Whole Approach and used their plan and added back some non-gluten grains, veggies, etc.  Then after that I got desperate to get rid of my eczema and did and 8 week elimination diet (due to large numbers of food allergies) starting with 2 weeks of only raw fruits and veggies.  At this point I was almost completely symptom free.  I added foods back in one at a time keeping a food journal.  Somehow around Easter it all fell apart and my symptoms are all back.  I'm back to week one of the above list omitting refined sugar and eating lots of raw fruits/veggies.  If the one month of healing for every year of sickness is true then I guess I will be in it for the long haul.  I will say that I'm been on some sort of yeast diet since last fall and it really is getting easier all the time.   

Here are the supplements I'm taking now.  However, realize I only added one at a time over the course of a couple of months.  This helped with the expense of it all too.  I have chosen these particular brands only because they are free of wheat, soy, dairy, etc and they are available locally.  At the first, I also took Yeast Assassin, but I think the cloves of garlic and EVCO do a fine job so I don't take it anymore.  I'm also out of probiotics, but have taken them off and on throughout it all. 

NOW brand CLO tablets (1275 mg)
Garlic 3 cloves per day (Usually stir fried into veggies or squished into guacamole)
EVCO ~2-3 T. per day (right now I'm out and need to buy some more)
NOW brand Co-enzyme B-Complex 2 tablets
KAL Dolomite 1 Tablet
NOW brand sustained release Niacin 500 mg
Vitamin C 3,000 mg (I've taken up to 5,000 mg during a die off though)

Hope this helps,
Jammie
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: Mamatoto May 04, 2009, 08:04:21 PM
Thanks to all for the supplement lists!  I'll spend the rest of the week doing a little extra research and hopefully I'll have a new and revised personal supplement list soon.  I'm guessing that most supplements will get to DS through my milk, but there are some that probably won't (like the charcoal I'm taking right now).  So while it's nice to have the charcoal for myself, I'm wondering if maybe it isn't the best use of my money since DS won't benefit (will he?) and it's more important to get him better than me.  Anything else anyone can think of that wouldn't get passed to a baby (other than charcoal, bentonite, psyllium, and others that bind to toxins in the intestines/colon)? 

Wow, Jammie!  I can't even begin to imagine only fruits and veggies for two whole weeks, and I also can't imagine being on an anti-candida diet for as long as you have.  So kudos to you for being able to do all that!  With that kind of willpower and hard work I'm sure you'll be able to pick up where you left of without too much trouble.

WI C- The chocolate avocado fudge sounds yummy, too!  You always seem to find the tastiest sounding recipes.  Thanks for trying them out to weed out the bad ones for us ;) :P I saw where you posted the recipe on the CFCF thread, but am wondering how much stevia is in a packet?  I just have a half pound of stevia leaf from the BHS and don't want to over/under-do it.

Elenita- So often in the past month or so my leg muscles seem completely weak and exhausted just walking up the stairs, so I'm wondering if maybe I'm anemic too (or maybe it's just because I carry around DS for an extra 20 pounds everywhere I go 8))  I tested positive for anemia once about four years ago, but everything has been normal since (didn't even become anemic while pregnant).  And I'm eating so much red meat that I can't see how I could possibly become anemic, but it does seem like a likely explanation...  Not sure about taking energy from muscles instead of fat - I've never heard that before and I'm not sure I understand how it would be easier since your body would have to break down the muscle fibers and wouldn't that be harder than just burning fat?  I also didn't know that you weren't supposed to exercise while on a cleanse.  I guess it sort of makes sense - you don't want to tax the body too much when it's supposed to be repairing and healing itself - but I think if you're keeping it moderate it shouldn't be a problem and would likely give you more energy.  Do you feel like you're eating enough?

RR- How was your weekend?  Any progress on picking a plan?

Just want to say that I'm glad you're in tune to all the symptoms that you see, ;) It's  taken me years to realize that a kiddo with a runny nose = a symptom of candida not a cold. ::)
What I haven't been able to figure out yet is when symptoms are candida vs. detox. ???
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: WI Cheesehead May 05, 2009, 02:23:35 AM
Mamatoto - I used just under 2 tsp of my stevia MIX (not pure) so go with that.  My DH also said it was too much chocolate (might try using a little less next time, but I liked it).
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: ridgerunner May 05, 2009, 02:31:08 AM
Hi all...

My weekend didn't go to great diet-wise... My husband had military duty this weekend so I was in a hotel and didn't have a whole lot of anti-candida food options.  Breakfast wasn't too bad, just ate a bunch of eggs, but for supper he was always wanting to go to this barbcue place right next to the hotel where there are no salads, everything has bbq sauce on it, you get the idea. :)  So... time to get back in line this week!  

My current supplement list:
Pau D'Arco tincture
Celery Seed tincture
Mullein leaf tincture
Coconut Oil 1-2 T. per day
Evening Primrose Oil 3000 mg per day
1 garlic clove per day
(The only way I can eat a garlic clove is to crush it and put it into a tablespoon of raw honey... counterproductive I know...)
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: WI Cheesehead May 05, 2009, 02:34:34 AM
Could I ask everybody what exactly their candida symptoms are?  Just to see how "serious" ours may or may not be.  Thanks.
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: ridgerunner May 05, 2009, 03:00:08 AM
Me:
Fibromyalgia
Chronic Fatigue
Chronic Pain
Year round allergies

DD:
Eczema
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: Mamatoto May 05, 2009, 08:18:40 PM
My main symptom is my ongoing vaginal yeast infection; DS's main symptom is his ongoing diaper-area yeast rash.  Also, shortly after DS was born, he got thrush, I got a yeast infection in my nipples, and I also got mastitis which my pediatrician believes was actually yeast-related.  And then, after completing the questionnaires from Whole Approach and The Yeast Connection, it sounds like a bunch of other random things (now and/or in the past) may be yeast-related as well:  bread cravings, sugar cravings, lethargy, overactive sweat glands, bad body odor, bad breath (thank goodness for fennel :P), frequent colds that last for months, headaches, joint pain, abdominal pain, menstrual irregularities (thank goodness I haven't got that back yet :)), numbness, super sensitive to smells (including tobacco insensitivity), post-nasal drip, recurring sore throat, gas, cold hands and feet, get sick if I get too hungry, bruise ridiculously easy, dry mouth, ear pain, etc.  Just reading that makes me feel like I'm sickly, but really I've always thought of myself as the person who rarely gets sick.  Apparently I never really realized how many little things bother me that needn't.  But I am very thankful that I'm not dealing with anything too serious.

Moral of the story #1: ALWAYS plan, prep, and prepare food.  Last night and this morning I didn't have the energy to get any food ready.  So on the way to the office, I stopped at our local natural foods store to pick something up that would be ready-to-eat.  I'm not sure why I thought I'd be able to find something, but I most definitely did not.  I ended up getting a reasonably healthy hummus (except that I'm not supposed to eat chickpeas) and fairly unhealthy pita chips.  I ended up really, really sick.

Moral of the story #2: NEVER take any more of a break than 1 meal - never again 3 days.  Taking that time off seemed like a great idea at the time, but it definitely took away my momentum, because before the break I probably would have gone hungry over buying something I shouldn't.

Unfortunately it's after midnight and I haven't had a chance to cook anything for tomorrow yet.  I think I've got some just-thawed chili, so maybe I'll cook up some millet tomorrow morning and do that with chili for lunch.  i can always do almonds for a snack - can't do rice cakes since that will put me over the 3 serving limit.  Not sure what else I have that doesn't require prep.  And I don't have breakfast soaking so that'll take a while to cook tomorrow  :(  I'm just soooooo tired that I don't feel like walking downstairs to do anything right now.

My last thought for the night: What effect do you think eating paper, cardboard, dryer fuzz, carpet fibers, leaves, and grass is having on DS's candida? ??? ;D :P :-[
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: Elenita May 06, 2009, 03:34:59 PM
After fighting a few days with my computer it's working again ;D

My main symptoms are also a very stubborn vaginal infection, and there may be other things kind of similar what Mamatoto mentioned, but I'm not quite sure if the reason for these is candida or something else (could be lyme too). And also that's nothing compared what others have, it's a little bit urgent for me to get rid off the infection because I have to have an operation on my cervix (because it could develop in cervix cancer), but this can only be taken care off once my infection is gone.

Mamatoto, I usually have for breakfast eggs as omelette with veggies put in there. I first put the vegetable (zucchinis, bell pepper, onions, tomatoes, usually one of them or a combination) in the pan and let them brown a little bit (I like my veggies crunchy). I beat 3 eggs very well and pour them over the vegetables, let it cook on low heat, till it's firm. You could also put some ground meat in first.
Eat one of my almond-flour muffins with it. That actually doesn't take too much time, but I don't know if you like eggs. 
I hope you'll have more energy soon!!

In the last month the eyesight of my left eye become suddenly worse again (after it had slowly increased- that may have been an age-thing as I'm nearsighted), can this have to do with candida or sugar levels? I think that might also have been a reason for my ongoing headache.
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: Mamatoto May 06, 2009, 06:27:53 PM
Alas, I don't like eggs, which definitely makes things more difficult for me.  I also don't like a lot of vegetables, but I decided today I'm going to try to like some of them :P  But I can't even stomach the smell of eggs.  I think I'm going to have to head back to sauteing chicken sausage links with bell peppers, onions, and flax for breakfast :-\

I thought I read that CLO is good, but is that different than fish oil?

My pediatrician told me that what was important was the DHA and EPA amounts, both of which are found in CLO and fish oil.  I think I read on Bee's website that she recommends taking CLO in the winter and regular fish oil in the summer.  So maybe the CLO has some extra vitamin D in it or something ???

Well, I feel like a hideous fake of a person - today I ate sugar.  I don't know why, because I didn't even like the thing I ate.  I just ate it because I felt I absolutely had to.  My weekend break obviously ruined my momentum and my willpower :'( I thought that what I ate during my break was healthy enough it wouldn't have this effect on me.  Boy was I wrong!!  I am so mad because I went an entire two months without once eating off the diet.  And now I feel like the entire week is ruined.  The thing that bothers me the most is that I feel like I have poisoned my son :'(

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: ridgerunner May 07, 2009, 04:22:20 AM
Well, I feel like a hideous fake of a person - today I ate sugar.  I don't know why, because I didn't even like the thing I ate.  I just ate it because I felt I absolutely had to.  My weekend break obviously ruined my momentum and my willpower  I thought that what I ate during my break was healthy enough it wouldn't have this effect on me.  Boy was I wrong!!  I am so mad because I went an entire two months without once eating off the diet.  And now I feel like the entire week is ruined.  The thing that bothers me the most is that I feel like I have poisoned my son


Don't be so hard on yourself!  :)  You've done amazingly well so far and will get back on track.  Going off all sugar/carbs indefinitely is a very hard thing to do.  Your boy will be OK, you're doing so much for him right now and care so much.. he's already got so much more than the majority of baby boys do in the Mommy-care department.  :)

I'm having a lot of trouble going a single day without any type of sugar to even start building my momentum.  :(  But we'll get there!!   :)
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: WI Cheesehead May 08, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
Mamatoto - RR is right.  You have started with good health right at the beginning!   A lot of us caught up when our kid were older and, therefore, have more consequences (health and not wanting to eat healthy).  You've got the first time mother worries! :)  We all had them.  You'll do fine.  Also, let me know when you get your package.  I wish I could get my DD to like stevia.  She can always taste that aftertaste.  I was on WA and some people use a stevia/chicolin mix.  I wonder if it tastes better.  I'm debating on whether to buy a gallon of palm or coconut derived glycerin from farther away and pay $31 or so, or to get the 5 gallons and pay $21 per gallon.  I can get it cheaper from another place, $22 for 1 gallon, but it's palm and soy based.  And I don't want the soy.  I don't think we'll go through 5 gallons of the stuff!  Now that I'm going to use it a bit more for sweetening, I'll go through it quicker than 1 gallon every year, but still.  BTW was anyone having any trouble getting on WTM?  I couldn't for the last 2 days.
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: ridgerunner May 08, 2009, 08:24:46 AM
Yeah, I think there was a server issue.  WTM, 7XS and UE were down for a couple of days.
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: orcuttranch May 08, 2009, 09:20:59 AM
About the Bio K Yogurt, couldn't you just by one, use it as a starter and make your own yogurt out of it, it still should have the CL 1285 strain in it, doesn't it? So you could still have the good strain, but way cheaper- just a thought.

Okay - I'm just getting back on here and noticed this quote from someone.  It is definitely worth a try and since I have it at home right now, I'm game to give it a try.  I have never tried it before, though and am definitely new to all of this stuff.  Can someone tell me how to do it? 

One of my daughters has been battling with cracks in the corners of her mouth over the last two months.  My husband wanted me to look it up and believe it or not - it is linked to cadida.  The funny thing is, I wondered secretly if that is what it was.  My youngest daughter had been battling a yeast-based diaper rash and I had been battling a yeast infection about the same time that the cracks showed up in this child.  So, apparently I really need to make some major changes.  The more I research, the more amazed I am at how many things could be linked to overabundance of yeast!
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: ridgerunner May 08, 2009, 10:15:13 AM
I have never tried it before, though and am definitely new to all of this stuff.  Can someone tell me how to do it?


If you check the 'fermented foods' secton under 'Natural Health' I'm positive that there are yogurt instructions and recipes on there.  :)

ETA: Be sure and let us know after you try it if you get the same benefits from culturing the strain, I'm very interested in trying this too!   :)
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: Mamatoto May 08, 2009, 07:03:36 PM
Thanks for the encouragement, ladies!  I feel like I'm back on track, complete with being tired and hungry as a horse.  For dinner, I made buffalo spaghetti sauce over brown rice pasta - I ate 1 pound worth of buffalo...and I'm still hungry!!

I've got a great book recommendation:  Allergy and Candida Cooking by Sondra Lewis.  I bought this WA-recommended cookbook to help with meal planning since I'll be starting a 4-day rotational food plan (part of the WA diet) soon and I'm new to the whole concept of rotating foods.  There's 6 chapters worth of candida-related information before it gets to the recipes and meal plans.  I'm only through the first chapter and I have learned so much it was already worth the purchase price!!  And the author is Christian, too, which is nice.

As of this afternoon, my refrigerator space has effectively been cut in half - I'm down to one shelf in a small half-size refigerator.  So hopefully I'll be able to get through the "cookbook" ASAP so that I can get going on a month's worth of meals and then freeze them.  (Thankfully I should have plenty of freezer space available.)  Otherwise I just plain don't know how I'll be able to eat my own cooking.

Best of luck this weekend!
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: WI Cheesehead May 09, 2009, 03:30:03 AM
BTW I'm still looking into the veg. glycerin from Azure Standard.  IF theirs comes from palm or coconut, it's about $18 per gallon, but then shipping out to me is $12.  The other one that was even cheaper was from Soapmaker's.  Theirs is from soy and palm though.  It would have cost me $16 plus $6 shipping.  Sigh. 

Mamatoto - I know you hate eggs, but I was thinking you might tolerate these.  I'm not a big egg lover, but these are great!  You can't even taste the eggs at all, bcz of the yummy sauce.  Oh, forget it.  It's got milk, mayo (which could be homemade) and cheese.  Sorry!  If you still want it, I can send it to you for later.

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: ridgerunner May 10, 2009, 05:12:10 PM


I've got a great book recommendation:  Allergy and Candida Cooking by Sondra Lewis.  I bought this WA-recommended cookbook to help with meal planning since I'll be starting a 4-day rotational food plan (part of the WA diet) soon and I'm new to the whole concept of rotating foods.  There's 6 chapters worth of candida-related information before it gets to the recipes and meal plans.  I'm only through the first chapter and I have learned so much it was already worth the purchase price!!  And the author is Christian, too, which is nice.

Thanks for the reccomendation, I may actually get this.  I've been doing TERRIBLE with sugar the last few days....  under a lot of stress right now (although.. I repent for writing this considering my stress is pretty minimal compared to being a single Mom I'm sure) and stress makes me CRAVE sugar.  I wonder why that is????? 

BTW, Happy Mother's Day y'all!  :-*
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: Mamatoto May 11, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
I've been doing TERRIBLE with sugar the last few days....  under a lot of stress right now (although.. I repent for writing this considering my stress is pretty minimal compared to being a single Mom I'm sure) and stress makes me CRAVE sugar.  I wonder why that is????? 

I don't think you can really compare one person's stress to another person's stress, because each person and each situation is different.  If I had to be separated from my baby 10 hours a day, work full time, be a good wife, be a good mother, AND run a household...I know I'd be stressed on a good day!  In the first chapter of the book I'm reading, entitled "Understanding the Nature & Causes of Candida-Related Complex," the author says, "Stress is perhaps the most underestimated and unrecognized culprit in hindering optimal health and it comes in various forms-physical, emotional and chemical.  By putting our body in "alarm mode" stress keeps our immune systems on high alert, thus prohibiting our body from healing."  We often think of physical (diet, exercise, sleep, etc.) and chemical (medications, pesticides, hormones, etc.) factors as important in combating illness, but not often emotional factors.  I'd say that emotional stressors depress the body's ability to fight the nasties and make it easier to just give in to the candida screaming out for food.

By the way, I really love this book.  I'm through the first four chapters and am learning a ton!  Something I learned yesterday that helps explain why I had no problems going through an entire box of pasta in one sitting last Friday night (and still wanted more) is that brown rice pasta has one of the highest glycemic index rankings of all foods (92 out of 100).  On her plan, brown rice is an acceptable food but brown rice pasta is not.  So I guess I'll be cutting that out :D 

She incorporates the gluten theory and glycemic index theory into her diet plan, and I never really understood either before.  So for anyone else who is like me and has no idea what the issue with gluten and glycemic index is, here's the basics on the Gs: (1) Gluten quickly converts to glucose, which feeds candida.  So gluten grains are out.  (2) The glycemic index ranks foods by the length of time it takes to digest the carbohydrates in the food.  High glycemic foods raise blood glucose levels and so feed the candida.  Low glycemic foods digest slower and release the glucose into the bloodstream slowly and so don't feed the candida.  You don't necessarily need to completely eliminate high glycemic foods, however, if you eat them in small portions in combination with low glycemic foods, where the overall result is a low glycemic load.  Glad she already incorporates all these considerations into her recipes and meal plans so I don't have to figure out what's what!!  Oh, and another thing I found interesting is that yeast in foods we eat DOES NOT feed the candida in out body.  However, because many people with Candida-Related Complex are allergic to yeast and mold, yeast and "moldy" foods are not allowed on anti-candida diets.

Time to read another chapter and then head off to bed.  Good night!!
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: 4myhoonie May 12, 2009, 03:02:21 AM
"Understanding the Nature & Causes of Candida-Related Complex," the author says, "Stress is perhaps the most underestimated and unrecognized culprit in hindering optimal health and it comes in various forms-physical, emotional and chemical.  By putting our body in "alarm mode" stress keeps our immune systems on high alert, thus prohibiting our body from healing."  We often think of physical (diet, exercise, sleep, etc.) and chemical (medications, pesticides, hormones, etc.) factors as important in combating illness, but not often emotional factors.  I'd say that emotional stressors depress the body's ability to fight the nasties and make it easier to just give in to the candida screaming out for food.

By the way, I really love this book

can you post a link?  i can't find it on amazon even!!!
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: Mamatoto May 12, 2009, 04:11:26 AM
Sorry my post was cryptic...The book is actually called Allergy and Candida Cooking by Sondra Lewis.  The chapter I was quoting was called "Understanding the Nature & Causes of Candida-Related Complex."  I bought mine new from Amazon because there weren't any used ones, but I must say it has been well worth the purchase price, and I'm not even done with the book yet!!!  http://www.amazon.com/Allergy-Candida-Cooking-Understanding-Implementing/dp/0964346265/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242137334&sr=8-1.
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: Mamatoto May 12, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Still learning lots from my new book!  Last night I read about CRC-related allergies.  I must say that when I read about allergies in The Yeast Connection and Women's Health, I was skeptical to say the least.  But this book explained the difference between fixed food allergies (with a strong and often dangerous reaction that appears early in life and is unlikely to ever disappear), cyclical allergies (where you may or may not notice a reaction), and food intolerances (due to a lack of digestive enzymes).  She theorizes that cyclical allergies are due to the body's immune system fighting off incompletely digested food particles outside the gastrointestinal tract (due to leaky gut syndrome).  So by healing the leaky gut (part of the overall anti-candida plan) and practicing a rotational diet in the meantime, you can eliminate the cyclical allergy.  Tonight's chapter is the on the rotational diet, so I'm sure I'll learn more in just a minute :D And then I get into the recipes and meal plans.  So HOPEFULLY I'll have a new plan formulated within the next couple days.  This is great because I'm getting burned out on my meal planning, prepping, etc.  And today I bought another loaf of sourdough because I just couldn't get the energy this morning to get anything ready for lunch and snacks at the office >:( Aaauuuggghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Does this mean that I'm really taking 2 weeks off after my 2 months of perfectly staying on the plan?  But I'm not going to beat myself up over it.  I think I'm rationalizing it by saying that I'm "in between" plans - I'm tired of the initial plan but haven't started the new plan yet.  So where does that put me?  Not sure, but at least I'm learning the "whys."  Elenita?  Ridgerunner?  Jammie?  WI Cheesehead?  How are you guys doing??
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: ridgerunner May 13, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
Hi all! 

We're closing on a new house this coming Friday and all my time has been spent packing and preparing to move this weekend.  So.... not doing so great since I don't have a lot of prep-plan time to keep meals on the diet.  Plus I'm gone to the office for 11 hours a day, so I don't have 5 hours of productive time at home in the evenings before I HAVE to sleep.  Weekends are taken up by packing, so no time to research plans.   :(

I think I am going to get the book you're talking about Mamatoto, so that as soon as we get settled into the new house I can start getting serious about this. 

In the meantime, I'm still taking my tinctures and coconut oil (figure that maybe they'll at least keep the candida from getting too much worse until I can quit feeding it ???) and making huge pots of chili since that's not too bad for candida and will serve for several meals as leftovers...  I'll get there eventually!  :)

Elenita - you OK?  Have you managed to avoid the flu?

WI Cheesehead, since you're our recipe czar, do you have any suggestions for something with easy ingredients that's fast (I mean REALLY fast) that I could whip up for lunches to take to work?  (Don't spend a lot of time searching on my behalf, I just thought something might come to mind right off since you experiment with so many anti-candida recipes.  :))
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: WI Cheesehead May 13, 2009, 11:40:39 AM
Ridgerunner - lunch is actually my most difficult meal to come up with!  If I find anything myself, I'll let you know.  We had a school banquet last night and boy was it bad for us.  Mama Mia's, aka pasta heaven, plus super sweet cupcakes and m&m's.  I didn't eat the cupcakes.  The meal wasn't that great, either.  Unfortunately, everyone else had a cupcakes (DD started eating a 2nd one!  >:()  In the morning, 6 yo and I were at a brunch.  Lots of bread there, plus sugar.  My athlete's foot is acting up again, since it's starting to get more humid and (somewhat) warm.  Anyone know what to do with that?  Is it a fungus?  I looked up on welltellme and only got 1 hit!  We're going up to our property (basically camping) this weekend and I don't know what we're going to eat.  I think it's going to have to be not so good.  I'll have to figure out something, bcz we want to go fairly often this summer.  Oh, BTW there is a website I just love, for looking up and storing recipes: www.recipezaar.com.  You might find some ideas on there, even in the forums. 
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: Elenita May 13, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
Hi all!

Thanks for asking, we all are doing well, nobody got the flue and I'm doing pretty good with the diet, but I am so tired, that I couldn't bring myself to write anything. I read your posts from time to time and I did pray for you, but then I wanted to answer some of your posts but didn't have the energy and with time there was more and more I wanted to write, but I was soo tired,...it seems my muscles degenerate more and more. They are just so weak, especially the muscles in my arms. I do my exercises (at least this weak I have done them faithfully) but even there I feel like it gets harder every day. I don't know why. I finally got a doctor's appointment for Tuesday, so I hope that will put some light on my issues. Also, I know he doesn't believe in Lime's, so if that's the culprit I don't know yet what I will do.

Mamatoto, your book sounds really interesting. I love to know the details behind things, so I will definitely try getting it!
And don't beat yourself up. You do the best you can! And maybe you just needed this break to be motivated again for your new plan!

The same for you ridgerunner, you are trying to move, and work, and be there for your family. Don't put extra pressure on you with the diet. I can't think about having to pack up a house and still try to stay on the diet, with all the extra cooking involved.

Well, we're getting a thunderstorm and I have to get off the computer, because they are really strong here and could ruin it, and then I couldn't talk to you girls anymore :'(.
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: Elenita May 13, 2009, 12:45:39 PM
Okay, I'm back again, wasn't as bad as I thought ;D
I remembered meanwhile some things I wanted to reply on:


Okay - I'm just getting back on here and noticed this quote from someone.  It is definitely worth a try and since I have it at home right now, I'm game to give it a try.  I have never tried it before, though and am definitely new to all of this stuff.  Can someone tell me how to do it? 


On this website you'll find a real good method for yogurt making. It refers to the 24-hours-yogurt, so that it wouldn't have any more lactose in it, but you can make it shorter, until it's the way you like
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/yoghurt_scd.htm



And something else, I just wanted to order some floradix, because here I can only find iron-pills that are pretty hard on my stomach, and maybe you all know that, but I found that the normal floradix has yeast and other for-us-not-so-good-stuff in there but they do have one that is yeast and gluten free. It's called Floravital. Just thought that might be interesting for you if you have to take iron too. 
 
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: WI Cheesehead May 13, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
IF I could remember to take it during the day, I have a liquid iron that is the best way to take iron.  (I can't take it morning or night, bcz the mutli's I have right now have a lot of calcium.)  It absorbs more readily than any powder or pill form.  Any you only have to take 1 tsp.

This isn't candida related, but I wanted to tell you ladies about a book I've just started reading, by Debi Pearl: Created to be his Helpmeet.   Oh my.  I think I read 4 chapters tonight alone, along with the Bible studying she has you do.  I have been so dry with my devotions, praying etc.  This book has gotten me excited about studying the scripture and about trying to be a better helpmeet (and mom too, incidentally.  I think I need a lot more help in that area!)  It would even be good for you single gals who hope to be married one day.  Start out your marriage the right way!  I was able to find it used on here for $8, otherwise, I probably wouldn't have bought it.

I have a recipe that is a throw together one that might be adaptable to the diet, if you can eat brown rice.  The original recipe called for bread cubes instead of rice, but we like the rice better.  We used broccoli, onions, garlic powder, salt, pepper.  It still could have used a little more flavor, but was good.

Egg Bake - a leftover stretcher.

Butter 9x13 pan.

Cover bottom of pan with leftover brown rice (maybe 3 cups?)
Next layer - misc. stuff from the fridge:
1/2 cup meat (ham, burger crumbled, bacon, sandwich meat, turkey, ...)
1/2 - 1 cup shredded cheese (not necessary)
1-2 cups mixed veggies (broccoli, onion, tomato, pepper, corn, tato, zucchini...)

Mix & pour over bread: 5-6 eggs, 2 C milk (nut milk, kefir?) & seasonings to taste. 325-350 deg for 50-60 min.  I baked at 375 for 45 minutes.

Ranch Egg bake : leftover chicken, corn, black beans, tomato, pepper, onion, ranch seasoning (or a blop of ranch dressing in the egg mix) & a sprinkle of those stale corn chips on top for the last 5 min of baking.

"Normal" Egg bake: ham, onion, pepper, broccoli, cheddar & swiss, crumbled corn flakes on top

Bacon-Cheeseburger Egg Bake: Cooked Gr. Beef, onion, tomato, cheese, bacon, potatos (lots to stretch it), & serve with ketchup (my boys would like that one).
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: Mamatoto May 13, 2009, 07:33:02 PM
For a couple weeks now I've been planning on starting a new "prayer plan" so that I'll actually follow through on my best intentions of praying for the people I want to pray for, and to pray continually throughout the day instead of here and there whenever I think about it.  Anyways, Elenita and Ridgerunner- What each of you is going through is encouraging me to start it up tomorrow, even if it isn't "fully operational" yet, because it sounds like each of you could use as much prayer as possible this week.  So I commit to regularly praying for each of you.

Ridgerunner- I'll look through the recipes in my new cookbook tomorrow for quick, easy lunch ideas.  I'd do it now, but DS is teething and can't seem to stay asleep unless I'm touching him, so I'm in bed now typing but there's no way I'd be able to read a book in the dark ;D  I haven't had a chance to look through the recipes yet so don't know what I'll find, but hopefully something!

Elenita- Thanks for the heads up on the Floradix.  I was actually planning on getting some this weekend, so now I know what I should look for instead.

WI Cheesehead- Yes, athlete's foot is a fungus.  So I imagine anything that would feed the candida would also feed the athlete's foot, and anything that would kill the candida would also kill the athlete's foot.  In the last Beeyoutiful catalog there was an article that briefly talked about foot fungus, and the author's son soaked his feet in water with GSE, as well as took GSE internally.  I imagine you could also add some oregano oil, clove oil, or tea tree oil to the foot soak water as well.

Also, thanks for the book suggestion.  I've heard about the book, but always figured it was for married women only.  So I'll definitely try and find a reasonably-priced copy.  Right now I'm trying to go through the Above Rubies Bible study "The Power of Motherhood."  I read it through when I was pregnant, but want to go back and really study it and all the verses it references.  I was on a roll for a while, then got over-stressed with life and for some reason ??? the Bible study was one of the things that inadvertently got cut from my day.  I know it should be the one thing I make sure and get above all else, so reading your post was good encouragement to get back on track.  I've always found that when I prioritize a Bible study I seem to be less stressed and somehow am able to fit more into my days.  So I wonder why it always seems to be the first thing to go (definitely ashamed to say that, but there's no use trying to pretend when it's the truth :().

As far as my "candida killing quest," here's what I decided to do: 

•   From today through Friday (the first chance I'll have to go grocery shopping) I'm just going to eat whatever I want and not worry about it, and also not worry about my supplements.  This is mostly because I dropped the ball on prepping/planning the last week and a half and simply don't have enough food in the house to eat.  So I'll have to waste my money and pick things up as I go >:(  And if that means I get a Frappucino from Starbucks (like I did today :-X), then so be it!

•   Starting Saturday, I'll do 2 weeks of "Preparing to Win the Fight," as my book calls Step 1.  For most people the purpose of this step is to clean up their regular diet, but I'm going to use it to take another (sanctioned) break and prepare physically, mentally, and emotionally.  The goal is to eat a nutrient-dense diet (with no regular sugar, processed foods, etc.) and to start cutting back on natural sweeteners, dairy, high glycemic foods, moldy foods, etc.  So I'll allow all Makers Diet foods the first week, then start cutting out (again) honey, kefir, dates, berries, etc. the second week.  I'll also be doing a 2-day simple food rotation, which basically make sure I don't eat any one food 2 days in a row.  In addition to the diet component, there is also a supplement component and a lifestyle change component, which I'll post once I have everything I need.  And during this time I'll plan, prep, cook, and freeze my meals for my first month on Step 2, "The Fight."

Prayers for getting through another day... 
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: ridgerunner May 14, 2009, 07:26:13 AM
Anyways, Elenita and Ridgerunner- What each of you is going through is encouraging me to start it up tomorrow, even if it isn't "fully operational" yet, because it sounds like each of you could use as much prayer as possible this week.  So I commit to regularly praying for each of you.

Thanks so much!  I've been praying for you too... (and you Elenita and WI Cheesehead)
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: mommyjen May 14, 2009, 07:47:41 AM
I have the Yeast Connection Cookbook and have read his book called the Yeast Connection as well.  Just thought I'd throw in a few thoughts for those of you thinking of buying it.  (btw...I got mine used for about $2 on amazon)

It is a cookbook for people with candida albicans as well as those with multiple food allergies.  There are  many different types of recipes and some would not be appropriate for someone just starting the yeast diet.  Sometimes he notes a recipe as being for "when you are well."  He uses fruit to sweeten some things and that would be a no-no on yeast diets.  He also has a variety of gluten free/dairy free breads, tortillas, crackers.  I've made many of them and so far have liked all of them.  He addresses allergies a lot because many people with candida albicans have problems with food allergies.  If you follow Healing Naturally with Bee she disagrees with the idea of food allergies in general.  Never the less, when I cut my allergic foods out (eggs and butter which are staples on Bee's diet), I finally overcame YEARS of eczema.  My personal opinion is that if you have a food allergen, eliminate it.  It will help you heal faster.   

The recipes that I have tried are:
*Oat granola (does contain fruit, you can sub stevia and glycerin)
*Oat Waffles
E-Z Tortillas
Sesame Oat Crackers
*Oat Bran Muffins
Buckwheat Crackers (these are my favorite and very easy...hard not to eat the whole batch)
Leek "cream" sauce

*I don't think oats are allowed on candida programs.  I had these items after I felt like I was getting better.

I refer to this book a lot when I'm out of ideas and want something new to eat.  He has a sample menu plan with ideas for how to rotate foods based on what family the foods belong to.  More of an allergic rotation diet than candida.  The book is over 300 pages with the first 100 pages being a discussion of candida and allergens.  Most of the remainder is recipes.  There is a section of recipes for common substitutes, ie, eggs, vinegar, baking powder, sweeteners, nut butters, dairy, salad dressing, etc.  It also has an organized index that makes it easy to find recipes by type or specific ingredient.  I think it would be pretty easy to find a recipe that works with whatever plan you are on.

hth,
Jammie

How did you find out what allergies you had?  Thanks!!
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: Mamatoto May 14, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Ridgerunner- I don’t know what kitchen supplies you will have available (slow cooker? thermos? blender? cookie sheet?), but here are a few lunch ideas that look relatively quick and easy to make, especially if you make a few days worth of servings at once:

Easy Chicken Meal

Easy Chicken Meal – 1 serving
1 chicken breast (or your favorite piece), skin removed
1 c. thickly sliced celery
1 c. chopped cabbage (large pieces)
¼ t. sea salt
Desired amount of dill weed
1 ½ c. water

Layer chicken, celery, and cabbage in a small slow cooker.  (Double, triple, or quadruple the recipe to cook in a standard slow cooker.)  Sprinkle with salt and dill weed.  Add water.  (It will not completely cover the cabbage.)  Cook on low for 4 hours. 

Note:  She recommends bringing a slow cooker to the office and just cooking it there, but if that isn’t feasible (and your slow cooker has a timer) maybe when you go to bed you could set it to cook for 4 hours and automatically switch to a warm setting for the rest of the night.

Broccoli or Cauliflower Chowder with Carrot Sticks

Broccoli or Cauliflower Chowder – 2 servings
1 c. water
3/8 t. sea salt
2 c. fresh or frozen broccoli or cauliflower florets
2 T. chopped macadamia or Brazil nuts
2 T tapioca starch or brown rice flower
1 c. water
¼ t. dill weed (with broccoli) or ½ t. cilantro (with cauliflower)

Bring first cup of water to a boil, add vegetable and salt, reduce heat, cover, and simmer 5-7 minutes.  While vegetable is cooking, blend nuts, starch/flour, and 1/3 c. water in blender.  Add remaining 2/3 c. water and most of cooked mixture to blender.  Blend on lowest speed to desired consistency.  Pour into saucepan.  Add seasoning.  Heat to thicken, stirring often.

Note:  To turn this soup into chowder, add 6-8 oz. flaked, cooked fish when adding the seasoning. 

3 Color Salad with Quinoa or Oat Biscuit  (You would need to prep/cook the night before, but it looks like the quinoa would take less than 30 minutes from start to finish and the biscuits would take about 15 minutes from start to finish, which you could do while the quinoa was cooking.  Then you would just need a couple minutes in the morning to assemble the salad.)

Basic quinoa
1.   Place quinoa in saucepan.  Add water and gently stir.  Gently pour off and discard immature grains, hulls, or other debris that floats.  Drain off water using a fine-mesh strainer.  Work quickly so the quinoa does not absorb the rinsing water.  Repeat the process 2-3 times.
2.   Combine 1 c. quinoa to 2 c. water.  Add ¼ t. salt.  Bring to boil, cover, reduce heat, and simmer for 15 minutes.  Remove from heat and allow to rest for 5 minutes.  Stir to fluff.

3 Color Salad – 1 serving
¾ c. basic quinoa, chilled
1 c. shredded peeled carrot
1 c. loosely packed, torn fresh spinach

Combine and chill. 

Quinoa Biscuits – 8 servings
¾ c. quinoa flour
¼ c. tapioca starch or arrowroot
3/8 t. baking soda
Scant 1/8 t. sea salt
1/8 t. unbuffered vitamin C crystals
½ t. cinnamon
1/3 c water
2 t. oil

Preheat oven to 400.  Lightly oil a baking sheet.  Whisk dry ingredients together.  Make a well in the center.  Add water and oil.  Stir until dough clumps into a ball and the flour is well mixed.  Drop batter from rounded teaspoon onto baking sheet.  Bake for 10 minutes.

Note:  The vitamin C crystals are used instead of baking powder because baking powder contains corn.  If you aren’t concerned with the corn product issue, you could probably substitute baking powder, although I’m not exactly sure if the measurement would be the same.

Note:  You can turn this recipe into oat biscuits (yielding 9 servings) by using the following ingredients:
1 c. oat flour
½ t. baking soda
1/8 t. unbuffered vitamin C crystals
½ t. cinnamon
1/3 c. water
2 t. oil

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: Mamatoto May 14, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
WI Cheesehead- I looked up athlete's foot in Prescription for Natural Cures and found a lot of great treatment suggestions.  The authors also indicated that chronic athlete's foot is often due to an overgrowth of candida, so maybe you'll need to join your daughter in the candida diet this summer :P  I posted the information I found in the Athlete's Foot: Treatment and Cures thread, which you can check out here: http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1453.30.html.  Let us know if any of the recommendations end up working for you.
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: ridgerunner May 14, 2009, 10:07:24 AM
Ridgerunner- I don’t know what kitchen supplies you will have available (slow cooker? thermos? blender? cookie sheet?), but here are a few lunch ideas that look relatively quick and easy to make, especially if you make a few days worth of servings at once:


Thanks for these!  Especially the easy chicken recipe... I can make a big batch of that in the crock pot and then take it to work, and add the condiments/spices that I keep on hand there to mix it up a little.  Thanks!! 
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: WI Cheesehead May 14, 2009, 10:16:34 AM
Mamatoto - I already plan on joining my DD this summer.  I got the yeast cleanse and probiotics for both of us.  It's going to be hard though, with camping on the weekends.  Thanks for the link for the athlete's foot.  I just tried rubbing some water/GSE on it and will try some of the other ideas.
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: Elenita May 14, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
Thank you ladies for praying! I need to get back on a regular praying list too, it's really hard though right now with being so tired, and I find it hard to concentrate during the day when all the kids are around me and needing things,... . So if you could pray for me to find a good time for prayer ;D, I would appreciate it. I am praying, but I think kind of like Mamatoto said, for people who come into my mind, what's not bad either. But I think it would be good to do both.

Those recipes sound great ladies!!!! ;D. WI-Ch., do you think I could try your Egg bakes without the rice, as I'm not allowed to have any grains, or would that be to mushy?

Tomorrow will be a busy day, Nr.3 is participating in a little musical, after that there's BBQ and people bring salad and desserts, I guess you know what that means :P. I'm supposed to bring a dessert, but maybe I will find time tonight (we leave early in the morning) to prepare some salad for me that I can eat (or at least take a dressing I have that I can eat). Hope it won't be too tiring :-\
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: ridgerunner May 15, 2009, 03:43:30 AM
Do you have access to Ginko Biloba Elenita?  I have really bad chronic fatigue... I'm sure it's related to candida and that's part of the reason. My fatigue is so bad that I have a really hard time driving to and from work... my office is an hour away from home and if I don't take extra stimulative measures before I leave I fall asleep driving and run off the road and drift across the yellow line.  My doctor sent me to a neurologist who diagnosed me with mild narcolepsy ( ::)) and gave me a prescription for a brain neuron stimulator.  It worked good for keeping me awake, then I started getting immune to it and they doubled the dosage.  I started getting immune to that dosage after a few months and decided that I had to do something different or they were going to keep upping the dosage until they completely fried my brain!  So what I've found that works pretty good is my ginko biloba tincture.  I add a couple of dropper-fulls to a glass of water warm enough to dissolve the alcohol and then I add a tablespoon of 90,000 HU cayenne powder to it and swig it all down. 

Just thought I'd throw this out there in case it might help, I know how debilitating and DANGEROUS chronic fatigue can be, and I've noticed that the anti-candida diet to cure it is initially making it worse for me (die off).  I'm wondering if that might be the case for you too....   If you have a way to get ahold of dried ginko biloba leaf it might be worth it for you. 
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: orcuttranch May 15, 2009, 09:18:51 AM

On this website you'll find a real good method for yogurt making. It refers to the 24-hours-yogurt, so that it wouldn't have any more lactose in it, but you can make it shorter, until it's the way you like
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/yoghurt_scd.htm



Thank you, thank you.  I am sorry I haven't tried it yet, but I should be able to this weekend.  I had to wait to buy the extra milk until payday (which is today!!).  Yogurt has previously been a "treat" in our family, but if making it works, I am going to try to make it a daily "treat".  So I will definitely let everyone know how it goes using the Bio K.  I still love it by the way and notice a difference if I don't take it for a day or two.

I wanted to respond, too about the book Created to Be His Helpmeet by Debi Pearl.  I think WICheesehead posted that?  Anyway - I just started reading it again and have to agree that I love it, too!  Right when it first came out (about 5 years ago?), I read it and have been recommending it for a long time to my friends.  It really made a difference in our marriage and my whole outlook on what my purpose is.  But then I have to confess that I've needed a refresher lately.  So I started it again last week.  I am I think on chapter 9 and am really glad I picked it up again.  So happy reading and just another endorsement by a wife and mother who needed a little "kick in the pants". 

I figured, too that maybe it would be polite to introduce myself a little since I just kind of barged in on this forum.  I have greatly enjoyed the information and have learned a lot from all of you. 

I am a mother of 5 (4 girls and 1 boy) 8 yrs to 1 yr and I have a wonderful husband.  My husband and I work together managing a mobile home park.  He does the "manly" work outside all day and I watch the office 3 hours a day. 

My yeast research started a month or two ago with that article in the beeyoutiful magazine.  Here's the link http://www.beeyoutiful.com/tag/yeast/, although you all have probably read it already.  I had been having problems with a yeast infection and so was really interested in it.  That lady described me to a tee!!  The whole tin of chocolate chip cookies thing is very much me.  And I can totally empathize with someone on here who said she craves sugar more when she is stressed.  My five children are in my office with me every day, so you might understand some of the stress.  Not that I would trade it, but I do have my days. . . So the replies to stress-induced sugar cravings were helpful, too.  It is true for me, also that when I am having my Bible study on a regular basis, stress doesn't seem to be so bad. 

Anyway - this is my whole start on hopefully getting a handle on this yeast thing and just trying to be more healthy in general. 

I don't know what I am doing wrong - but when I click on the quote button, it never comes out small and orange like everyone else's seems to.  I usually delete the parts that I'm not replying to.  Maybe I am deleting too much?
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: ridgerunner May 15, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

I don't know what I am doing wrong - but when I click on the quote button, it never comes out small and orange like everyone else's seems to.  I usually delete the parts that I'm not replying to.  Maybe I am deleting too much?

There are specific beginnings and endings in the quote that make it appear that way.... if you delete anything in the first line brackets it won't work... 

Welcome to the forum and to the candida-cure misery... OK that sounded awful.  Welcome to the candida cure HOPE.  That's better, I need a serious kick in the pants today.  ::) 

In a few hours I should be soaking in a bubble bath in my NEW HOUSE so I really shouldn't be so negative!  Guess I'm not looking forward to the boxes and mess.  :P  I have managed not to eat sugar today, so I'm dragging a little... but I'm going to try to make it the rest of the day.   ;D
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: Elenita May 15, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Do you have access to Ginko Biloba Elenita?  I have really bad chronic fatigue... I'm sure it's related to candida and that's part of the reason. My fatigue is so bad that I have a really hard time driving to and from work... my office is an hour away from home and if I don't take extra stimulative measures before I leave I fall asleep driving and run off the road and drift across the yellow line.  My doctor sent me to a neurologist who diagnosed me with mild narcolepsy ( ::)) and gave me a prescription for a brain neuron stimulator.  It worked good for keeping me awake, then I started getting immune to it and they doubled the dosage.  I started getting immune to that dosage after a few months and decided that I had to do something different or they were going to keep upping the dosage until they completely fried my brain!  So what I've found that works pretty good is my ginko biloba tincture.  I add a couple of dropper-fulls to a glass of water warm enough to dissolve the alcohol and then I add a tablespoon of 90,000 HU cayenne powder to it and swig it all down. 

Just thought I'd throw this out there in case it might help, I know how debilitating and DANGEROUS chronic fatigue can be, and I've noticed that the anti-candida diet to cure it is initially making it worse for me (die off).  I'm wondering if that might be the case for you too....   If you have a way to get ahold of dried ginko biloba leaf it might be worth it for you. 

Thank you so much ridgerunner, I don't think I can get it here but I will ask friends in the states for it. Would they get it in a healthfood store, or where else? I definitely will try it.
I also read on the hypoglycemia thread and am convinced that I have it.
I hope you will really enjoy your new home. Take it easy with unpacking and cleaning! You will get there eventually :D. Just the word packing brings me in panic-mood (had to do way too much of it in my life so far- I even thread going on holidays because of the packing that's involved :D), so I sure will be praying for you.

Welcome orcuttranch to our little group. It's been a real help to me and it's so good to have some kindred spirits here going through similar problems and trying to help each other and pray for each other.
By the way, I had the same problem with quotes first ;) and I always look not to delete the quote- brackets, and also I'm always changing the colour back to black when I start writing, I'm not sure if that's really necessary, but I think otherwise it just continues in black.

Does anyone of you know what's the name in English for the funny feeling I have right under my ribs, feels like an acid reflex from the stomach. Can candida have to do with it, or hypoglycemia? It usually calms down when I eat, so I think I thought of me being hungry when I really wasn't. Maybe that's why I haven't lost any weight yet, although I'm about a month without sugar and grains. Still was eating too much?
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: WI Cheesehead May 15, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
Okay, Elenita, I'm not going to try to quote you! LOL  Is the term GERD what you were thinking of. Gastro something something disorder??? :)

Welcome Orcuttranch!  So glad to meet a new face.  I absolutely love the Pearl book.  Can't wait each night to read more.  I'm finally on the chapter about the 3 types of men (commander, visionary and steady).  My wonderful husband is Mr. Steady to a tee!  Although he does have a little bit of visionary and not a bone of command!  I am SO, SO thankful for him.  Actually, or marriage isn't too bad, but this is so helpful to understand my role and how to understand him.  I just went to a friend's house for a Bible study last night (2 Christian women).  Found out that both their husbands have had an affair (one is so naive that he was strung along, thinking all the time that they were just friends - it only happened once.  The other one has been having an affair with a girl half his age (21) for probably a year.  My friend won't leave him bcz she's committed to her marriage, but I wanted to get her to read this book - she has it! - and we want to help her do whatever she can to win him back.)  Anyways, I know what a great guy, husband and father my man is, but I appreciate him so much more.  I also appreciate that he works 3rd shift as a truck mechanic! LOL  No women!  Can't wait to go up north!!  Please pray for my girlfriends and their husbands.  The second one does not have any children, PTL.

Thanks for the link to the yeast article.  I don't get their magazine.  Is it free or a cost?  I'm not the one with the sugar issues (although I can be if I'm stressed, as you said.  I just bought a huge cookie at Fazoli's, but didn't eat it, at least.  Now the craving is gone, thank goodness.)  My 10 yo is the sugar-holic.  He is so bad with it, if he can get it (which is not much lately).  He was at my parents' overnight and they had bought a pkg of Skinny Cow ice cream sandwhiches.  He had one, after dinner, then sneaked 4 more!  I can't give him the Candida Cleanse, but would just the probiotics help?

My sister just sent me several pages of tea recipes for every kind of health thing you can imagine.  Here's the link in Herbal Teas: http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,501.90.html
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: WI Cheesehead May 15, 2009, 04:47:11 PM
One more question: Do you think my athelete's foot could be a die off symptom?  I haven't started the candida cleanse yet, but I'm not eating sugar (for the most part) or fruit (except some berries in my smoothies) or yeast and less grains.  I tried putting GSE/water and tea tree oil on it for a couple days and it got so red and itchy, I had to put on the Rx cream the dr. gave me last summer.  I can't stand it!  I've taken some GSE internally with water too, but it tastes SO bad, I can taste it even holding my nose!!  I'll keep taking it though.
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: Elenita May 15, 2009, 05:22:29 PM
Thanks, WI-Ch. I did a search and came up with this in Acid Reflux: Symptoms ... I thought you all might find it interesting too. I'm shocked how many things eventually come back to candida :-\

from HerbalHealer.com
ACID REFLUX IS NOT A DISEASE!!!!

Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), or chronic heartburn is a serious problem that is on the rise. It is diagnosed by conventional doctors and their treatments vary from the new FDA approved invasive endoscopic/radio frequency bombardment to sedation drugs to simple over the counter Malox taken daily. I have heard the doctors say that you should raise up your bed at night and sleep upright as a solution! GERD afflicts more than 14 million US adults. The most common symptoms are significant heartburn and acid regurgitation, which can be triggered by acidic foods or ordinary exercise. If left untreated it is directly linked to esophageal cancer.

Now, I want you to know that in my professional experience as a healer and naturopath dealing with this ailment on a daily basis worldwide, I can tell you this is not a disease, it is a symptom of chronic candida (yeast) infection that in most cases is systemic (in the blood stream). The fungus backs up in the small intestine and causes gas, bloating, reflux, etc. It literally ferments the food and makes it very hard for proper digestion...
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: Mamatoto May 15, 2009, 06:59:05 PM
Since I gave myself license to eat whatever I wanted the past few days, I ended up eating a lot of junk that I didn't even like, just because I knew that would be my only chance!  What a dummy!!  So I am actually really looking forward to tomorrow morning to start cleaning myself out!  I won't be back on a strict anti-candida diet for another two weeks, but will officially be on Phase 1 of my new plan in 1 hour and 2 minutes ;D  I still need to get the appropriate supplements for this phase since I only had enough time to quickly find a couple days worth of acceptable food in the store before they closed for the night.  I am also supposed to make two "lifestyle changes" for this phase and the two I chose are (1) chiropractic adjustments - we've been getting only semi-regular adjustments due to money issues, but I'm committing to regular adjustments and also pulling out my posture pump to do my neck exercises every day - and (2) a good night's sleep - I vow to be in bed by 10:30 regardless of what I think I need to do.  This will also force me not to be so verbose in my posts :D ::)

Ridgerunner- Congratulations on the new house!  I certainly hope you can make time to enjoy it this weekend.  I echo Elenita - the unpacking can wait, especially if you need to de-stress.  How did you do the rest of the day sugar-wise? 

Elenita- I, too, am amazed at how many things are linked to candida.  When I look at my own life - full of antibiotics from Jr. Hi through College - full of sugar from High School through College (I remember a period of time in college when I literally ate ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner at least two days a week) - and I came from a family that in general was anti-doctor and I thought I was super healthy!!  How naive was I? ::)  Anyways, it's really not surprising all the health problems we all seem to have.  But I am confident that things will change bit by bit until it's hit 180 degrees from where I'm at right now.  And because your symptoms are so much more serious than mine, you will really feel a difference.  It's there within reach and you're on the right track to living a rejuvenated life!  Not sure what to think about you not losing weight...do you feel that you have a lot to loose?  I think a lot of weight loss things have to do with resetting your metabolism, so perhaps your body is still trying to cope/compensate for the drastic eating changes and so hasn't had a chance to reset itself...??  I was small even as a child, and I remember wanting so bad to gain weight in elementary school.  In 6th grade I came up with a hypothesis that, the more I ate, the smaller I was.  So I tested my hypothesis and I was right!!  It seems that eating more actually made my metabolism faster.  I can actually see that's the case now as well - when I eat every 2 hours throughout the day (being careful to stop as soon as I'm not hungry anymore, not waiting until I actually feel full), I feel smaller.  But when I don't have the time/energy to prepare that many meals/snacks, and so eating less and less often, I feel bigger.  A little wacky, I know!!

WI Ch- Have fun this weekend!!!  As I go through the recipes in my book, I'll try to keep your family in mind for camping-type snacks and other meal ideas... What types of food do you guys normally eat when you're up north?  That might (hopefully!) give me a good starting place, although you are the recipe guru and I'm not sure I'll really be much help.  But I'll try!!!  And about the athlete's foot maybe being a die-off symptom, I think it's definitely possible.  When I look back to our die-off symptoms, especially at the very beginning, they are exactly the same as the symptoms we had when I ate no-no foods over the past couple weeks.

Orcuttranch- An official welcome!!!  Glad you're joining us.  It's so helpful to have a group of ladies encouraging me, especially when most people around me think I'm wacko for not running my DS to the doctor every time he gets a runny nose or a cough or a bump on his head, not to mention being on a cleanse for months on end!!  Thankfully we have an awesome holistic pediatrician, so I can always say, "Our doctor told me to..." or "Our doctor thinks I'm on the right track."  But I am very blessed to have a great support group right here.  So thanks to you all :-*

Better get to bed.  Oh, quickly before I forget.  I think I posted something earlier about substituting vitamin C crystals for baking powder because baking powder is corn-based.  Well, I actually made it to the substitutions appendix in my book and here is what it says about leavening agents:  Baking powder is an agent with an acid part and an alkaline part that, when mixed, react to cause food to rise.  Normally the ingredients in a non-aluminum baking powder are calcium acid phosphate (not sure what that is!), baking soda, and cornstarch (which actually IS made from corn).  But supposedly you can also find potato-based baking powder which is typically better for people with CRC (Candida-Related Complex).  1 1/2 t potato-based baking powder = 1 t baking powder.  1/4 t vitamin C crystals + 1 t baking soda = 1 1/2-2 t baking powder.  1 1/2-1 3/4 t homemade concoction = 1 t baking powder.  The homemade concoction is 1 t baking soda + 2 t some type of starch or flour + 2 t cream of tartar.  She says that cream of tartar is made from the fermented residue in wine barrels, so may cause problems for some people with CRC, but can usually be used for 1 day in a 4-day food rotation.  She also says that the vitamin C/baking soda option seems to add more of a salt flavor than baking powder, so if you are altering a recipe that calls for baking powder you should reduce the amount of salt you put in.  IMO, it seems like this is splitting hairs, but it's sort of interesting nonetheless.  I've always wondered what some of these ingredients actually ARE.  And if I just follow her recipes and meal plans, I won't need to worry about any of this anyways since it's already "built in" to the plan :P :)

Happy weekend everybody!
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: Elenita May 16, 2009, 05:58:48 AM
e (1) chiropractic adjustments - we've been getting only semi-regular adjustments due to money issues, but I'm committing to regular adjustments and also pulling out my posture pump to do my neck exercises every day - and (2) a good night's sleep - I vow to be in bed by 10:30 regardless of what I think I need to do.  This will also force me not to be so verbose in my posts :D ::)

Those sound like good plans, go for it! :)

Not sure what to think about you not losing weight...do you feel that you have a lot to loose? 

I need to loose about 20 pounds. I mainly gained all of it, when we went to Austria for half a year (about 2 years ago). We had lots and lots and lots of stress. I tried to eat only when I'm hungry, but then I got all shaky, dizzy, grumpy (hypoglycemia as I know now :-\), so I ate mainly because I didn't want to yell at my children constantly.  :-[. That continued when we were coming back to Mexico, and then I also get this funny feeling in my stomach where I think it's hunger, but now I think it has to do something with the acid reflux, but when it's not strong it really feels like my stomach wants something. 
The last 2 days I tried again to wait until I'm hungry (as I didn't feel as easily shaky,...) and it worked, I lost 4 pounds, just in two days, but this acid thing became really, really bad. The funny thing is, I don't get it after eating, but when I think about food ???, and I had it throughout the whole day yesterday and the whole night. Feeling like it creeps up the esophagus and into my mouth , yukk :P I also realized that the sore throat I'm having for weeks now is probably due tu this, because it feels really sore again. If anyone has any idea what to do, besides staying on the diet, I would appreciate it. Otherwise I decided to eat more again, at least until Tuesday, when I see the doctor, to not have soo much acid in my esophagus and mouth. I rather be a little bit chubby.
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: WI Cheesehead May 17, 2009, 02:27:55 PM
My DH has GERD, badly.  He actually had the surgery to sew his stomach up to his esophagus.  That worked for a few years, but then went back to serious heartburn again.  He's been on medication for years for it, although I would rather have him off it.  He can't seem to go more than a day without it, or so.  He's interested in finding out if the candida cleanse would help it.  Although we can't go on the totally strict diet, since he HAS to have coffee, being on 3rd shift.  Plus, he usually has some dried fruit in his lunch or a snack.  I should go on the thread about doing the supplements without the diet, although we still would follow it somewhat. 

Just got back from our "camping" trip.  It was nice, but somewhat stressful, due to my DH not getting enough sleep.  I think, next time, we'll have him come home and sleep 5 hrs before going up.  We avoided most grains (except for a bun for our grilled hamburgers) and some fun muffins we made on the grill (in orange peels!)  No dairy.  We even didn't eat the s'mores we were going to.  We had hamburgers, broccoli and baked beans (not the best choice - the beans - but easy to make) Sat. night, eggs and the muffins Sun. morning and sticky chicken for lunch.  DH and I had salads from McD's Sat. for lunch.  So we didn't do TOO badly.  We did have a couple of sodas and DH had a couple beers (but he wasn't really on the diet yet) but then had water.  Mamatoto - we usually bring along fruit, yogurt, granola bars, string cheese (mostly no-no's).  I wish we liked fresh veggies more.  We went to a flea market and I found brand new Tupperware mini containers (the real little ones for salad dressing) for $1.25 each.  I was so excited. LOL  Plus, I found a supplier (who is there every weekend) for my fragrance oil for the soap I make.

Re: the Help Meet book.  I finally got through the chapter about the 3 kinds of men.  Mine is definitely Mr. Steady.  I cannot believe how it described him almost to a T!  I read a section about Mr. Steady being everywhere to fix everyone's stuff and help them, and the wife wondering when she will get time with her husband.  We both laughed!  That's how I've been feeling lately!  She said, don't expect it to be different, but to take a short time away.. without cellphone.  That's what we're doing next weekend.  Going to a B&B.  Can't wait.  I told him he's leaving his cellphone at home (I can bring mine though!)
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: mykidsmom May 17, 2009, 05:04:23 PM
WIC,

One thing you might want to talk to your husband about is there has been research done (I'm sure if you google you can find it) that has proven that taking medications for GERD actually causes a rebound effect when someone tries to go off of them and then the GERD actually gets worse.  Call me a conspiracy nut but somehow I don't think that was an accident.   >:( 

Anyways, goats milk is actually supposed to be very healing for GERD.  If you could make some kefir and have your husband get a good amount of RAW goats milk daily, I bet his GERD would get much better.  It may be that you have to do a week or two of daily goats milk and kefir before he actually tries to go off the meds, and then he would need to wean off of them because of the rebound effect.  I do know someone who has a hub that is the same and when he tried the goats milk he did feel much better.  But he didn't stick with it.  So if he's willing, I would try those two things.  I'm really not sure an anti-candida diet would be helpful in this case.  Although I think eating low carb is good for most people anyway.  Oh, DGL licorice is also excellent for GERD.  I used it for a time when I was pregnant and I'm pretty sure the guy I know used it as we was trying to go off medications as a support. 

patti
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: orcuttranch May 19, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
Okay - I'm forgetting the quote this time.  I'll try it next time I quote someone.  :-)  Thank you for the warm welcome.  I really appreciate it. 

WI Cheesehead - I used to live in WI.  My husband is from there.  Although, I do tell him that he is "right with God now" because we live in California where I grew up.  He says that he doesn't miss anything about WI except the constant green in the summer.  My husband is also a Mr. Steady.  He does have a little of the Visionary too.  I am so thankful, though for his steadiness.  He is a wonderful man!  I am sorry to hear about your friends.  I gave the Help Meet book to a friend that was having problems with her husband, too and she said that she can't believe how it has changed her.  That is always exciting to hear because normally the responses from her before were "but he needs to . . . or "if he would just . . ." but unfortunately, we can't change the other person.  We can pray for them a ton, but only God can do the changing.  We had been praying for a couple of years regarding these situations.  So keep it up.  God is faithful and works in His time!   

I think you were the one asking about the beeyoutiful article?  I am assuming I got it because I have ordered from them in the past.  I didn't pay for it.  It is actually their catalogue with a lot of articles in it as well.  So I assume that if you order their catalogue, you would get what I have.  It looks like they print it seasonally.   

Okay - the real reason I am posting!  I am so excited - the yogurt (with the Bio-K) worked!!  My kids gobbled it up, too.  The more I've read lately, this is probably a no-no, but I sweetened it with Splenda.  It has to at least be better than sugar, right?  I heard stevia is a good one to use?  I'm going to look into it.  Anyway - the first batch I made did not work.  I think I got it too hot and killed the culture.  So the next batch I tried I put it in a soft-sided cooler bag with a heating pad on it on low.  (I got that idea off the yogurt making thread).  It shuts off after 2 hours and I would just turn it back on when I remembered.  I also left it longer than 12 hours.  But it worked so well.  I started off with 1 quart jar.  The kids had it demolished within 12 hours.  So I made two jars this time - should be ready by the time I get home from work (which should have been a little while ago, but I'm typing here).  Thank you so much for that suggestion!!  That will be much much cheaper and then I can give it to everyone!

Okay - I'd better get home.  I need to install drippers in my garden so I don't have to keep watering by hand.  I love modern inventions.  I catch myself complaining about all the stuff I have to do, but then think of all the stuff I would really have to do if I was born 150 years ago!  :-)

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: Mamatoto May 20, 2009, 06:54:34 AM
My plan to get to bed by 10:30 means I haven't been able to check my email, much less get online!  So I'm sneaking on for a super quick post.  I've been super tired the past few days, although I don't think it can be from the cleanse because I'm not actually back on the diet yet.  So I don't know what to blame it on.  But every time I feel myself complaining inside, I think of Ridgerunner and Elenita and and the fatigue you guys are facing and then I feel stupid for being such a whimp.

Ridgrunner- How was your first weekend in the new house?  And how is your stress level?  Have you been able to make it through a day without sugar yet?

Elenita- I'm praying for your doctor's appointment today.  Let us know what he/she says about your fatigue and feeling so weak.  Also, that's great you were able to figure out when to eat to be able to lose 4 pounds so quick!!  Are you still doing well trying to figure it out?  It sounds frustrating, though, that you can't just listen to what it SEEMS your body is telling you, but instead have to try and figure out what it is REALLY telling you.  I think once you are done with this cleanse, you'll probably really be in tune with what is going on with your body and why.

WI Ch- I think you asked a few posts back about giving probiotics to your sugar addict.  I'm confident that probiotics will help some - it's always the first thing that my midwife and pediatricians (both our ped in DC and out here in CO) have suggested with vaginal and diaper-area yeast infections.  The more good bacteria you have in your gut, the better it will be able to keep the candida in check.  So while it may not give him a full cleanse, it can only help.

Orcuttranch- Great news about the yogurt!!  I've never made yogurt before, but you certainly sold me on the  benefits of the Bio-K "miracle."  Maybe once I'm done with this cleanse (my plan doesn't allow dairy), I'll take the plunge and try it out to keep things in check.

Well, I'd better run.  Gotta get food ready and then packed up for the office, and DS is probably about to wake up from his nap.  If anyone has a few seconds to pray for my kitchen situation, I really need the prayers.  I'm honestly not sure how I'll be able to prep and cook all the right things the way things are right now.  (Actually, I'm not sure how I'd be able to prep and cook ANYTHING - even this week is a mega challenge and I'm only just eating Makers Diet healthy right now :( I'm really tempted to head to Whole Foods Market and just buy a loaf of whole grain sourdough to get me through the day.  I think one of the reasons I'm so tired is that I'm so hungry again.  But this time it's because I just can't get enough food prepped and cooked :'(  Obviously I also need prayer for my attitude!!) 
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: Mamatoto May 20, 2009, 08:59:16 AM
Just realized today was Wednesday - thought it was Tuesday ??? So that means your doctor's appointment was yesterday, Elenita.  Hope it went well and that God moved my prayers to the appropriate day! :D
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: ridgerunner May 20, 2009, 09:12:03 AM
Ridgrunner- How was your first weekend in the new house?  And how is your stress level?  Have you been able to make it through a day without sugar yet?


The new house is great, stress level is not too bad. Still haven't been able to make it through an entire day without sugar, but I'm getting closer.  Baby steps... :) 

I've been super tired the past few days, although I don't think it can be from the cleanse because I'm not actually back on the diet yet.  So I don't know what to blame it on.  But every time I feel myself complaining inside, I think of Ridgerunner and Elenita and and the fatigue you guys are facing and then I feel stupid for being such a whimp.


I read somewhere (maye on WTM) that when you eat sugar of any type it feeds the candida and the candida's activity inside you causes fatigue.  I think this is a huge part of my fatigue, I scored around 500 on the candida test.  :-[  Not surprising though since I've spent so much time on antibiotics as a child and again while I was pregnant. 

Also, I remember you saying once that comparing one person's struggles to another isn't really accurate because we're all different with different lives and conditioning, so don't put yourself down comparing your fatigue to ours.  :D 

If anyone has a few seconds to pray for my kitchen situation, I really need the prayers.  I'm honestly not sure how I'll be able to prep and cook all the right things the way things are right now.  (Actually, I'm not sure how I'd be able to prep and cook ANYTHING - even this week is a mega challenge and I'm only just eating Makers Diet healthy right now  I'm really tempted to head to Whole Foods Market and just buy a loaf of whole grain sourdough to get me through the day.  I think one of the reasons I'm so tired is that I'm so hungry again.  But this time it's because I just can't get enough food prepped and cooked   Obviously I also need prayer for my attitude!!) 


Prayed for you just now! Also, I was wondering, what if you could buy one of those small apartment refridgerators cheap on craigslist or something and keep it in your room?  And then an electric skillet, toaster oven or whatever you would use the most?  Just trying to think of something that would help you out, those things may not be possible for you.  Sounds like you're in a tough place with your living situation!   :(  Will keep praying. 

Elenita - I'm right there with you about needing to lose weight in addition to beating candida.  I'd always been super-slim until I got pregnant.  I gained 80 pounds while I was pregnant and only lost 40 after she was born, so I'm still a good 40 pounds overweight.  :(

I think I've finally decided on a specific diet.  Any of you ever heard of the blood type diet?  It's also known as 'eat right for your type'.  It's not specifically directed towards candida (it's for overall health and vitality), but could easily be tailored to that by cutting things out here and there that you know are carb-y, sugar-y foods.  Here's a link to the site about it if anyone's interested.

http://www.dadamo.com/
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: ridgerunner May 20, 2009, 09:27:19 AM
There's a thread about the blood type diet here on WTM, here it is:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2493.0.html
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: orcuttranch May 20, 2009, 09:44:36 AM

Orcuttranch- Great news about the yogurt!!  I've never made yogurt before, but you certainly sold me on the  benefits of the Bio-K "miracle."  Maybe once I'm done with this cleanse (my plan doesn't allow dairy), I'll take the plunge and try it out to keep things in check.



Okay - let's see if I got the quote thing right this time.  :-)  I have to tell you that I still love the Bio-K.  I have not really changed anything else yet, except to try not to eat so much sugar.  But I haven't even cut out sugar or grains or dairy or anything completely yet.  In fact, I make a smoothie every morning with frozen fruit and that is how I get my Bio-K in for the day.  Just once in the morning.  And of course, the frozen fruit thing is probably a no-no because of the sugar in the fruit.  

The only thing I have added to my diet besides the Bio-K is Flax Seed Oil (in my shake in the morning) and a salad a day.  I buy the organic greens mix from Costco (like Sam's Club) and try to eat one salad a day.  That is only for health, though - I'm not sure it really would have any benefit to cleaning out yeast.  

I have not had another problem with the itching from yeast infection since I've been taking the Bio-K and I have really noticed lately that the vaginal odor (sorry to be so disgusting) is much improved and it seems to be getting better every day.  I wasn't even giving it to my kids every day - more like every other day or even every 3 or 4 days and even that has seemed to help.  My little one that had cracks in the corner of her mouth doesn't have them at all anymore.  I haven't had any diaper rash problems in the youngest either.  

I will go so far as to say that I think it really has helped curb my sugar cravings.  I have waited to actually verbalize it - it's been I think 3 weeks now - because I didn't want to get my hopes up.  But the other night, my mom brought candy over for everyone.  I have never ever had a problem eating candy - but this time, it just didn't feel very good eating it.  I actually never finished mine and that is completely unheard of for me.  I thought it was a fluke, but normally at night, I get the munchies - anything crunchy or sugary or chocolaty or all three combined!  :-)  But for the last week, I haven't had those cravings like normal.  Sure - every now and then, but not every night like usual.  So I am getting encouraged that if I can just beat this yeast thing, then the self-control part won't be so hard!  

I will pray for your kitchen situation, mamatoto.  I know it is very difficult to stay on track with any kind of eating plan if you can't prep for it.  I will pray that you have the extra energy you need and that the Lord will open up some time and resources for you to get some prep done so that you can stay on track.  I am not exactly sure the extent of your situation, but it seems like you don't have much of a kitchen available from what I have read from other posts? I may be completely reading it wrong, but maybe if you don't have much for kitchen appliances, you could get together with a friend to prep ahead together?   

I have been praying for all of you, too.  I know that my symptoms aren't nearly as bad as some of you and I don't like the way I feel when it's bothering me.  So I can only imagine what the rest of you are going through.  Keep up the good work!

Ridgerunner - I am praying for you especially also - we moved into a new place about a year and a half ago and I still have nightmares about it.  :-)  Actually, not really nightmares, but I can say now that it was completely worth it, but at the time, I wasn't so convinced.  Moving is rough!  Take it slow and easy.  No one will die if their favorite cup isn't available to drink out of at dinner (although you would have thought the world was coming to an end at the time).  But all my kids are still alive and kicking, so I can verify that they didn't die.  I do understand, though that instinct to get it all done.  I am praying that you have the strength and extra energy to get done what you need to and the wisdom to know what is priority and when to quit for the day.  Quitting before I was completely dead was the hardest part for me.  But if I didn't quit I wouldn't fare so well the next day.  

Well, I've got to run!





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: Elenita May 21, 2009, 03:11:27 PM
Hi all,
my doctor appointment went pretty well. He doesn't seem completely sure what it is, but has some ideas. So he sent me to the lab yesterday morning. I wasn't allowed to drink for 4 hours, you can imagine how that was for me, the camel :P.  I survived, got a headache in the evening as expected but not half as bad as feared.
Still don't know the results. Have to call the doctor tomorrow morning. I'll let you know when I know more.
The last 2 days I've actually felt better. I started to take some supplements from Nature's Sunshine for the immune system, that a friend left me, maybe that's it.
I'm also thrilled that I could find chlorophyll here ;D, so I can take that instead of the iron pills until my floro...what was it? :), arrives.
My dear hubby also found a thermometer here, (people wanted to give him a thermos first :)), but I still wasn't able to make a 24-hours yogurt in the oven. First it was hot outside, so as soon as somebody turned on the stove, and forgot to open the oven a little bit, it became to hot. Now it cooled off, and the oven doesn't reach the necessary temperature :P, well we'll see, in June or July I should get my yogurt-maker. If I want to do it regularly and for a big crowd, it's just to hard for me to do it in the oven. And then I always have to think what I'm cooking or baking, and that it doesn't interfere with the yogurt,..

Orcuttranch, that's so exiting that the yogurt-making worked for you, and that you have so many good results with this yogurt.

Mamatoto, that seems to be a hard place to be with your kitchen situation. I pray for it also.
and ridgerunner is right. Don't compare yourself, you have a unique situation, non of us has to fight the fatigue all by herself with a little baby! And I'm not sure if mine is worth, I think it always sounds worse if somebody else tells about it ;)

Ridgerunner, glad to here that the move went well, hope the settling in goes just as well ;), take it easy, try to look at the things you've already done, and not at the things that are still missing :)
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: Elenita May 21, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
One more thing,
If you happen to read it before tomorrow morning, please pray that I would understand what the doctor is telling me :-[, I have a hard time with all the medical terms anyway, and over telephone I find it still harder.
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: WI Cheesehead May 21, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
Elenita - where are you living?   Sounds like out of the US.  Re: making yogurt.  Here are some tips I copied from a yogurt thread here:

"I heat my raw milk in a gallon sized glass jar to 110 degrees, add starter, put on the lid, wrap it in a kitchen towel and put it in a soft sided cooler that zips. After about 5 hours, I remove it from the cooler and the towel and put it straight into the very back of my fridge without taking off the lid or anything and then I don't touch it for at least 12 hours. If you start stirring it and shaking it when it's warm, it will be much more runny. It really firms up as it cools so no matter how tempted you are, leave it alone."

" Also, to incubate it, I just put my heating pad on the counter, turn it to high, set the glass jar of yogurt on it, and place a tall stock pot on top. I don't really time it, just make it earlier in the day and put it away before bed so it is cold by morning.

I also tried sweetening with maple syrup after culturing. It was yummy, but got very runny. My son loved it and started named it "thick milk." I have since put in maple syrup and vanilla before culturing and it works great! Would still be good with jam, but I don't think it would need the extra sugar. Fresh fruit with the sweetened yogurt is delicious."

My son got an A+ (1 wrong) on his math test today, which is a first.  So he wanted to go to the custard place.  So, we all got single serve cones.  I told him not to ask for any "sugar" for a long time!  I did recently make strawberry jam out of stevia and sugar free pectin (it also calls for 1 cup of apple juice).  Probably more sugar than we would be allowed, but a lot less than the normal jam.  It turned out great!  I want to find the book Sugar Free Cooking with Stevia (used, if I can).  It has a lot of recipes I want to try, but don't want to type or copy them all.  I am also looking for the book Mamatoto recommended.

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: ridgerunner May 21, 2009, 06:02:19 PM
Elenita - where are you living?   Sounds like out of the US.

I'm not Elenita (obviously  :D) but I'll answer, she lives in Mexico.  :)

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to cut out carbs completely and still function good enough to do my job.  :-\  I've yet to make it completely through a day without having some sort of sugar (honey, bread, potatoes) and when I try, I get very sick.  I know that i'm hypoglycemic, but I really thought that maybe I could just deal with it until the candida was gone.  I'm not so sure.  The days that I've made it through to the afternoon with no sugar I was so weak and shaky and foggy that I could barely do my job, and I HAVE to do that, so I end up eating some form of sugar and then I can continue working.  So.... I'm thinking that maybe I'll have to take some serious supplements and severly limit my sugar rather than completely cutting it out.  Make it quality sugar, like sweet potatoes instead of cupcakes, etc.   :-[ 

What do you guys think?  I feel like I'm hitting a brick wall.  :-\

BTW- Mammatoto, I miss hearing from you but I'm praying that the absence of posts from you means that you're getting some much-needed sleep!  ;)
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: orcuttranch May 22, 2009, 10:31:33 AM

WI Cheesehead - I used to live in WI.  My husband is from there.  Although, I do tell him that he is "right with God now" because we live in California where I grew up.  He says that he doesn't miss anything about WI except the constant green in the summer. 


I am actually quoting myself - ha, ha.  But I was looking through for something else and re-read this.  I actually thought it really did not sound very nice.  So I need to apologize.  I have to say that WI is beautiful and that it is my second favorite state because that is where I met my husband. ;D  I will admit, though that I really prefer the weather here and the lack of mosquitoes, but didn't mean to knock WI like I sounded.:)   So, I really hope I didn't offend you - never my intention.

I wanted to remark, too about making yogurt.  I read that thread, too about the woman who wraps her yogurt mixture in towels and lets it sit for 5 hours and then puts it right in the refrigerator.  Maybe she's using more culture to begin with, so it grows faster?  I know that even with the heating pad around my yogurt on low and wrapped in towels and in a soft-sided insulated bag, it still took 18 hours.  I took one jar out earlier (I think at 12 hours) and stuck it right in the fridge and it was pretty runny still.  I also added vanilla extract to my milk before adding the culture and it didn't mess up the yogurt at all and added a much better flavor.  My husband wouldn't try the first batch - he gave me the ???  look.  He tried the second batch after the kids kept saying they loved it and said that it tasted like tapioca pudding.  And he loves tapioca pudding! :)

Another question - from what I gather, the reason for no dairy when trying to get rid of candida is that it breaks down into sugars in your body?  Is that the lactose in the milk that does that?  If so, from what I have read, if you culture yogurt for 24 hours, that gets rid of the lactose in the dairy.  Not really sure if the lactose is the sugary part of the milk and don't really want to research it now. So if anyone knows off the top of their head - that would be interesting to know.  If it is true, then you could do yogurt with stevia and not be eating sugars and still get those great active yogurt cultures into your system.  I have been on the internet planning vacation for us and my extended family and their families for the last week and I'm intereneted out (is that a word?). 
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: WI Cheesehead May 22, 2009, 01:57:01 PM
Orcuttranch - don't worry!  I wasn't offended at all.  There are some days (most of the winter ones, esp. since we've hardly had a summer yet - 61° tomorrow) that I get tired of it.  But our family is here and some day we may move.  We do have property 2 hours north of us that is really nice.  About 30 minutes north of the Dells (tourist area) - far enough into hick town but close enough to the Dells if we want to go. 

Not sure about your question on lactose, but it sounds right.  We make kefir (usu. 24 hours or so) and put it in smoothies.  I just made one with some berries (I'm allowing) and lemonade and also one with Raspberry Brew Tea instead of lemonade.  The tea one was really good.  The kefir eats all of the sugars.  It's really sour straight.

Have to get ready for hubby and my weekend away.  Can't wait!  Hope you have success on your research for your vacation.

Mamatoto - hope everything is okay.  Have you done much with a crockpot?
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: Elenita May 22, 2009, 04:20:54 PM


Another question - from what I gather, the reason for no dairy when trying to get rid of candida is that it breaks down into sugars in your body?  Is that the lactose in the milk that does that?  If so, from what I have read, if you culture yogurt for 24 hours, that gets rid of the lactose in the dairy.  Not really sure if the lactose is the sugary part of the milk and don't really want to research it now. So if anyone knows off the top of their head - that would be interesting to know.  If it is true, then you could do yogurt with stevia and not be eating sugars and still get those great active yogurt cultures into your system.  I have been on the internet planning vacation for us and my extended family and their families for the last week and I'm intereneted out (is that a word?). 

That's exactly right, the lactose is the sugary part of the milk, and after 24 hours fermenting all of the lactose is used up, or eaten up?, so that's why I can at least use it in my diet where I only cut out all kind of sugar besides fructose.
My problem is that making yogurt in a cooler, or wrapping it up, or putting it in warm water doesn't work because it needs to keep the heat steadily between 38 and 42 degrees celsius (have no idea what's that in F), I don't have a heating pad and if I would have one it still would be complicated because I don't have a food-thermometer, and wouldn't know when it reached the right temperature. I'm thinking about trying a 80 Watt bulb instead of a 60 Watt for the cooler days :P.
Thanks for the ideas though :)

My doctor called today and said I have Thalassemia,  that's why I'm anemic.Thalassemia is hereditary The hemoglobin consists of hemo - the iron part and globins, and in Thalassemia there's something wrong with the globins, there are not enough it seems and so people with a mild Thalassemia like I have anemia. You can find a better explanation at http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15834.0.html  The thing is this should not be treated with iron, but with folic acid. He also thinks that's the cause of my thirst (I drink a minimum of 5 or 6 liters/ quarts per day), and I think he said that that would dilute the blood again. So he wants me to drink less and have a glass of mineral water after every 5 glasses of normal water. (He wanted me to drink diet coke :P, but then agreed that I could do mineral water instead).  He didn't know what to do with the yeast infection though. I'm not sure if he thinks it's just a local infection and doesn't see it as candidaiasis , that's causing the other stuff. He wants me to do more tests, I'm not sure right now what to do. It's really hard for me to talk to him and explain in an cultural appropriate way what I'm thinking.

So I will try to lower my water intake and see what's happening
Oh, he also wants me to continue with my diet. I'm glad about that.

By the way I lost 8 pounds already ;D, tried to slow down a bit, so my circulation can handle it.

Ridgerunner, I just wanted to tell you that the sugar cravings might not disappear as long as you eat sugar. It really helped me to quit all sugars (all grains and sugars with the exception of fruit) at once (actually I still drank Kombucha the first days) but even with that the cravings disappeared pretty fast, so did the trembling of my hands and feeling dizzy. But then, you want to be careful too that you don't get too low in your sugar, plus I had some pretty bad die-off symptoms where I sure couldn't have gone to work. I guess I'm not a big help :-\, sorry, but it might help you in your decision making by seeing what worked or worked not for others, at least I hope so ;)
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: Mamatoto May 22, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
I am so discouraged!!  I know that I need to learn to be content in whatever circumstance I am in, and also that Satan loves it when Christians are discouraged because they often become less effective for Christ.  So it makes me mad that I'm discouraged, and that only makes it worse!!! :'( Long story just a little less long:  DS and I moved cross-country 6 1/2 months ago, I started a business 3 months ago, and we are living with my brother's wife's parents until my business is steady enough for us to be independent again.  I thought we'd be ready to move out 6 months after moving here, but it took longer to get the business up and running than I thought, so we're really 3 months "behind schedule."  I am incredibly thankful that they are opening their home to us and are incredible prayer warriors.  However, we have completely different "living styles."  On a scale of 0-100 (0 being perfection and 100 being total chaos), I'd say my neatness/tidiness is about an 8 and my cleanliness is about a 12, and I'd say their neatness/tidiness is about an 86 and their cleanliness is about a 74.  They are completely comfortable with their 86/74, but aren't ready to handle a 94 (their 86 + my 8) or 86 (their 74 + my 12).  So I feel the pressure to be a 0 (or a negative), which I am learning is too stressful given the circumstances.  I thought that I'd adjust as the days went on, but I'm finding the opposite.  And I think the 6 month mark was a mental fence that kept things manageable, and now that we're outside that fence everything seems up in the air and unmanageable.  In a week, my brother's wife's brother is moving back in, so things will be even more challenging.  The kitchen seems to be toughest area to control, and without going into details I honestly don't feel comfortable even trying to do much in the kitchen at all any more.  On top of that, I have some space in a mini fridge in the basement, so any cooking requires a lot of up and down and up and down, and I'm getting burned out of that.  So this morning I had decided that I was going to give up and wait to do anything else candida-cleanse-wise until we have our own place.  But driving home from the office I realized that I don't even know how I'll be able to cook anything, whether on the cleanse or not.  And I really need to eat at least every 1 1/2 - 2 hours throughout the day.  So if I'm not cooking, that leaves fruit, nuts, veggies, bread, etc. to munch on throughout the day.  And for breakfast and dinner...??  I'm sure I'm blowing this way out of proportion but I just don't know what to do!  Putting appliances in my room would be a great idea if DS weren't so "traviezo," as he's called around the office (roughly translated to mean mischievous).  I've been consistently training him for "no touch" since he was 6 months old (he's 10 months now), but he only sometimes obeys.  I suppose this is God's humorous way of showing me how my own stubbornness affected my parents ;D So I don't want to introduce more things he shouldn't touch.  The crockpot idea is a good one, if I can figure out how to make it work, since I would only need a small place on the counter for it.  But I know that crockpots make the house smell like food, and they don't like the smell of food cooking when they are in the house (in fact, they think that pasta boiling on the stove smells like food is burning), so I'm not sure whether that would actually make things worse.  I really want to respect the fact that I'm basically intruding on someone else's home, and would like for them not to feel too put out while I'm here.  OK- I'm sure you all are sick of reading my whining, so I'll stop now.  Maybe I should just try and stick to Phase 1 of my plan until things are less stressful. ??? Thoughts? 

Ridgerunner- It's great that you figured out a plan - seems that's half the battle.  If you're having trouble cutting everything out cold turkey, I'd say just start with baby steps.  Probably the worst thing would be sugar - not natural sugars found in fruit, dairy, etc., but plain old sugar.  Then take things from there.  If you have the time to figure out which foods have the highest glycemic index, you could cut those out next since they convert to glucose quickly.  I really need to find a list myself, so if I locate one I'll post a link.  Phase 1 in my book's plan is to cut out sugar, clean up your diet, make one or two non-diet lifestyle changes, and take the following supplements: probiotics, multi-vitamin, and extra calcium/magnesium, zinc, iron (if anemic), B-complex, vitamin C, and vitamin E/selenium.  Then Phase 2 is to cut out all the other natural things that candida can feed on, make additional non-diet lifestyle changes, and add a bunch of other supplements, including anti-fungals among other things.  So if you're actually having trouble with plain old sugar, maybe just focus on that for a while.  My book's plan actually allows a limited amount of high-carbohydrate vegetables (like sweet potatoes) that aren't highly allergenic (so corn isn't allowed).  It also allows a limited amount of gluten-free grains (like millet and rice) and non-grains (like buckwheat, amaranth, and quinoa).  It does say that many people find it beneficial to cut out all gluten-free grains and non-grains at the beginning, but you wouldn't have to.  I must say that it looks like most of the recipes in my book can be prepared from start to finish in under 30 minutes (kind of like Rachel Ray on an Anti-Candida Diet), so if time is your only challenge as far as prepping/cooking goes, I really recommend trying to find a copy.  (Although I haven't actually made anything in the book yet, so can't say how anything tastes!)  Too bad time isn't my only challenge!!

Orcuttranch- Awesome that you feel your sugar cravings are decreasing.  Such a blessing that you don't feel like you are dying to eat something that you "shouldn't." 

About the yogurt/kefir lactose thing... Does anyone know whether the same would hold true for commercial pasturized kefir?  I'm on a list for a cow/goat share (in Colorado you have to own part of the animal in order to be able to "buy" its raw milk).  Actually it's probably good that it's taking so long to move up the list, because I don't have much refrigerator space, and there's no way I could ferment my own here.  But I have been doing occasional kefir/berry smoothies for breakfast the past couple weeks, and that's fairly simple with the kitchen situation since the blender already has a spot on the counter and the clean-up isn't too difficult.  I know that berries have a low glycemic index, so they'd be ok.  But would all the lactose be eaten up with non-homemade kefir, too? 

WI Cheesehead- Can you give me your kefir smoothie recipe?  I use a tablespoon of honey in mine, and if I decide to keep on trying with the cleanse (and allowing berries and kefir, which my book doesn't allow - but the reason on berries may be because of the mold and the reason on the kefir may be because dairy is considered a high allergen), I'll have to come up with a different recipe.  Oh, and I hope you guys have a fantastic weekend away!!!!!!!!!

Elenita- Did the doctor have any helpful news?  Also, I've been thinking of ordering some chlorophyll from Beeyoutiful because I saw somewhere in the last catalog that it has iron.  But do you know how the iron levels in that would compare with Floradix?  I didn't have time to find the iron you mentioned when I was at the store last weekend (DS starting having a meltdown), so I just grabbed a small bottle of the Floradix with Herbs, since that looked familiar, to get me through Phase 1 of my plan.  But I'm wondering how it would compare - and are there other benefits to chlorophyll besides the iron?

All right, I think I'm caught up now.  Thank goodness DS fell asleep early tonight.  I've been getting to bed between 10 and 11, and it's a good thing, since DS has been waking up with the sun between 5:30 and 6:30.  So I've got a bit over an hour to try and finish laundering the diapers and...actually, I don't have to go into the office until Monday, and there's nothing else pressing that I NEED to do, so maybe I won't try and do anything else tonight.  Ha!  Sure I'll regret it in the morning, but oh well!  Happy long weekend, everyone!!

Looks like someone else posted while I was typing, but I don't know how to check the new post without risking loosing what I typed, so hopefully what I typed still makes sense ;)

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: Mamatoto May 22, 2009, 05:19:11 PM
He didn't know what to do with the yeast infection though. I'm not sure if he thinks it's just a local infection and doesn't see it as candidaiasis , that's causing the other stuff. He wants me to do more tests, I'm not sure right now what to do. It's really hard for me to talk to him and explain in an cultural appropriate way what I'm thinking.

I read somewhere (maybe The Yeast Connection?) that candidiasis can be detected in a stool culture.  So if your doctor checks for candida in your stool, that should tell him whether or not you actually have candidiasis.  I also read somewhere (either The Yeast Connection or the book I just finished by can't remember the name of right now) that women with vaginal yeast infections usually have candidiasis.  So until you get a test saying that you DON'T have it, I'd assume that you DO. :(
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: Elenita May 22, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Mamatoto, you know I'm really impressed that you managed so long to live under these conditions! I'm already struggling after a week in my in-laws house. And I'm frustrated too, that I just can't cope with it better, but I never could imagine such a long time as in your situation. I think God already gave you a lot of patience and love. Especially if I think that you have a job, a little boy and struggling with candida and all it's side effects. You're under a lot of stress.
I'm not sure I can offer much advice, as I told you already, I couldn't too half as well as you did so far, but I sure will pray for a place for your own. Any chances you could move somewhere else? Maybe with another single mom? Anybody from church? Or could they help you find a place?

By the way, I definitely think I have candidiasis, I'm just not sure how to convince my doctor ;).
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: herbalmom May 22, 2009, 08:58:50 PM
Mamatoto, could you maybe use a crockpot & have a fridge at the office? If you don't want food cooking during the day how about at night & then in the morning when you come in to work, refrigerate it. In CO's current weather it would be easy to air the office out for a few mins in the morning so the office doesn't smell like food. Cook a larger batch, split it into ziplock bags, freeze & nuke when ready to eat. If heating food up at home doesn't cause problems then take some home, store in mini fridge & nuke when ready to eat. I know micro cooking isn't the greatest but it beats not eating.  ;)

If you can have a (preferably full sized) fridge at the office along with a micro, a crockpot & toaster oven &/or an electric skillet you could do your reg cooked meal eating there & snacking type foods at home.

I kept a family of 5 fed while doing what i call 'camp kitchen' using a fridge, crockpot, 2 burner not plate, micro & a toaster oven for about a year once when we were in a situation where we didn't have a reg kitchen. Texas Girl did it for 2 years while remodeling her kitchen.

It's not ideal but pans can be washed in a bathroom sink if you have to. Paper plates & plastic silverware may make life easier for you as well.   

My husband used to travel on the road for work & we have dealt with food allergies for 20+ years so we have lots of experience with special diets, traveling foods & eating out of ice chests- all of which have areas that would apply to your situation. Here are several threads that have info that may help with your planning.

Ideas for Meals on the Run (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5382.0.html)
 
Foods that fly...or ah, at least travel well :) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11792.0.html)

Packing Lunches for Husband at Work (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2627.60.html)
 
Snacks for Kids (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,4005.60.html)
 
 Allergen Free [AF] Appetizers, Snacks & Drinks  (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,16980.0.html)
 
 What do you eat for snacks (gluten free)?  (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,19692.0.html)
 
 Meal & Menu Planning  (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1446.60.html) 

If you can't cook at the office can you at least keep a fridge there? If so, you could do a big batch cooking in a kitchen at a church, American Legion post, etc. Then keep most of your food at the office in the big fridge & take home what will fit in the mini fridge for when you're at home.

Something that might give you a change of pace- Applegate Farms makes a hot dog that's just meat & spice, no junk & is something like 10-15 grams of protein per hot dog. They are larger & much more filling & taste better IMO than reg hot dogs as well. They nuke easily. Vitamin Cottage carries them in the Denver area. They are sold frozen so the easiest way to use them is to thaw them just enough to separate them, put 1 into a sandwich size ziplock bag & refreeze. Then they are ready to go in single servings. 

As far as how to read a post when someone else has posted while you're posting, just scroll down on your screen. The newest posts are listed right below where it says  topic summary right under the posting window. You can read what's there without doing anything to the post you have in progress.

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom


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: ridgerunner May 23, 2009, 02:52:42 AM
My book's plan actually allows a limited amount of high-carbohydrate vegetables (like sweet potatoes) that aren't highly allergenic (so corn isn't allowed).  It also allows a limited amount of gluten-free grains (like millet and rice) and non-grains (like buckwheat, amaranth, and quinoa).  It does say that many people find it beneficial to cut out all gluten-free grains and non-grains at the beginning, but you wouldn't have to.

Hmm, interesting.  These types of things are what I'm having trouble with.... simple sugar is gone but I can't seem to do without some type of carbohydrate through the day, so I've been trying to make it a small amount of sweet potatoes or other high quality carb.   :)
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: herbalmom May 23, 2009, 06:50:42 AM
These types of things are what I'm having trouble with.... simple sugar is gone but I can't seem to do without some type of carbohydrate through the day, so I've been trying to make it a small amount of sweet potatoes or other high quality carb.   :)

I find that taking reg licorice root 2 caps 4 times a day (or at each meal & bedtime) helps with energy, etc. It's likely that your adrenals are worn down & licorice helps with that. It also helps keep your blood sugar from going too low. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Elenita May 23, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Mamatoto, I looked up some threads here that mention chlorophyll, and it seems for some it works better than Floradix, and the other way round. As I don't know how to get the different quotes from different threads in here, I just send you the link and the Reply-Nr. for the things I found interesting. HTH, (hey I learned what that means ;D)
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3026.msg198859.html#msg198859
Replies 20 to 21

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,37.msg10695.html#msg10695
Reply 2

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1943.0.html
Reply 13

I only checked on Chlorophyl now but I know, to see what it's good for.
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: ridgerunner May 24, 2009, 02:21:34 PM
Also, I've been thinking of ordering some chlorophyll from Beeyoutiful because I saw somewhere in the last catalog that it has iron.  But do you know how the iron levels in that would compare with Floradix?

I don't know much about chlorophyll, but I'm wondering if homemade chlorophyll would work as well?  You can make liquid chlorophyll by tincturing grass in vodka until it turns green, but I don't know about the iron content.
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: Mamatoto May 24, 2009, 05:41:11 PM
Thank you ladies so, so, so much for the encouragement, good ideas, and links.  I decided to give it another go.  Earlier today I went through my cookbook and made a list of meals, snacks, etc. that I want to prep.  But because so many of the recipes have ingredients I don't already have, I will probably need to wait until after the 1st before shopping since my food money is allocated the beginning of each month.  So I'm just hanging in there until then.  I have been feeling really gross all week - probably a result of my eating habits since I've avoided doing any cooking this week - and my stomach just started hurting really bad right now, so I'm going to crawl into bed with DS right now.  I'll post more later.  Hope you all have a good Memorial Day - we'll be in the office all day if my stomach starts feeling better :( Feels like I've got to throw up, so I'd better run!
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: orcuttranch May 25, 2009, 08:42:27 AM
Does anyone of you know what's the name in English for the funny feeling I have right under my ribs, feels like an acid reflex from the stomach. Can candida have to do with it, or hypoglycemia? It usually calms down when I eat, so I think I thought of me being hungry when I really wasn't. Maybe that's why I haven't lost any weight yet, although I'm about a month without sugar and grains. Still was eating too much?
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I just remembered that I read a letter from someone in the Beeyoutiful catalog about her husband.  It is not on the website and too long to type out, so I will paraphrase.  It sounded like he had a bad case of acid reflux.  The first thing his doctor said to do was to drink peppermint tea.  His symptoms were too bad, though and it didn't help enough.  She started giving him Digestive Enzymes and it took care of the problems.  Now he was pretty bad - he started breaking out in a rash and hives also eventually and her research showed that the two could be connected.  She says since she started giving the digestive enzymes to her husband, that he hasn't broken out once and hasn't had the acid reflux anymore.  His was more pain in the chest, but I would think that acid reflux could be helped with these no matter where you feel the symptoms?  And then maybe if yours isn't too bad, the peppermint tea alone would work?

I am so sorry, too - I think Mamatoto asked me how much the Bio-K was?  I completely missed that before and just found it when I was looking for the quote above.  Here, it is $4.99 for a 3.5 ounce bottle.  I can get a case of 15 for $48.99.  Pretty crazy isn't it?  So now you can all imagine my extreme excitement that the yogurt making worked.  I can use 2 Tbsp. now to make 1 quart.  So a bottle of bio-k will make almost a gallon of yogurt.  I did just this weekend find a place that sells them individually for $3.99. 

Okay, ladies - I found the miracle sweetener!  Ha-ha!  Have any of you tried Xylitol?  Here is the link from Wilkipedia for it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol  And here is a quote from that site.  "Candida yeast

A recent report suggests that consumption of xylitol may help control oral infections of Candida yeast; in contrast, galactose, glucose, and sucrose may increase proliferation.[20]"

I would imagine that if it can help control oral infections, it couldn't hurt to hope that it also helps the rest of the body?  Well anyway, it also says that diabetics can take it, it appears to be a potential treatment for osteoperosis, is excellent for oral health (my sister is a dental hygenist and verified that), and is safe for pregnant or nursing mothers.  I did read on some holistic site, too and they recommend it as an alternative sweetener. 

So, I bought it.  Now, I have not tried Stevia yet, so I can't really compare it to Stevia.  Although we were in Costco and they had a sample of some greens powder that you mix in water.  It was sweetened with stevia and it tasted horrible.  But that could have been because of the greens, too.  :)  I have heard that Stevia has a bitter aftertaste, but that some brands are better than others.  I bought the NOW brand of Xylitol.  I have put it in my smoothies, my tea and my coffee (I am weaning off of coffee, and switching to herbal teas, but every now and then . . .).  Anyway, I noticed some aftertaste in my coffee, not really any in the smoothie, and not nearly as much in the tea.  I have used it now for 3 days.  I think that it shouldn't take much to get used to it.  It does take more xylitol than stevia to make something sweet.  I'm pretty sure that I read that Stevia's sweetness is 200-500 times that of sugar.  From what I understand, xylitol is about the same sweetness as sugar.  And it does still have calories (10 per tsp as opposed to 15 for sugar).  So if anyone knows anything bad about it, please let me know - since I am using it now.  :-)  Oh and Splenda is pretty scary!  I decided to research that, too.

WI Cheesehead - We lived in Watertown, but my husband was originally from Chetek (about 45 minutes NW of Eau Claire). I was researching kefir a couple of weeks ago, but decided to try yogurt first.  Where did you get your kefir "grains"?  It seems like they are kind of hard to find, but I haven't looked into it locally yet.  I did notice that Trader Joes sells kefir by the bottle, but it is kind of expensive - almost $3 for a quart. 

Does anybody have a Trader Joes?  I know they started out as a western store, but my sister told me they opened one up in Minnesota, so they're moving east apparently.  I love that store. 

Okay - what does HTH mean?  I have been trying to figure that one out.  I should find a texting dictionary I suppose.  Do you all know how long it took me to figure out what IMO means?  HA-HA-HA!  When I finally figured it out, I laughed so hard!  It was so easy!!!

Mamatoto - hang in there.  I don't know how you do it either.  My parents and my in-laws live in our mobile home park (we're their landlords - he-he-he).  Everyone in our park owns their own home, but pays space rent on the land.  I love them both a ton, but that is definitely close enough!  I will be praying for you. 

Well, it is my day off work, so I get extra time to clean the house!!!  Hooray!  Actually I am looking forward to it - I need to catch up on some stuff.   :)
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: herbalmom May 25, 2009, 12:22:05 PM
Okay - what does HTH mean?  I have been trying to figure that one out.  I should find a texting dictionary I suppose.  Do you all know how long it took me to figure out what IMO means?  HA-HA-HA!  When I finally figured it out, I laughed so hard!  It was so easy!!!

 List of Common Internet [Online, Chat] Abbreviations [Acronyms]  (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1698.60.html)
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: Mamatoto May 25, 2009, 06:14:42 PM
Threw up a bit last night before going to bed, and then again in the middle of the night.  Same thing happened Wednesday night/Thursday morning this past week.  I'm pretty sure it's food-related, which makes me even more disgusted with myself.  I guess it's two steps (two months) forward, and one step (one month) back.  I can see why it's important to SLOWLY add foods back to your diet after completing the cleanse...mental note for later.

Elenita- I'm glad your doctor was able to pinpoint the reason for your anemia.  Good luck trying to drink less water!  And amazing that your weight loss has gone from nothing to so much so quick ;D

Orcuttranch- Interesting to hear that xylitol actually seems to have anti-fungal properties!  Our pediatrician told me that I could use stevia or xylitol to sweeten things with while on the cleanse, so you should be good to use it.  But she did say that using it in large amounts can cause digestive problems, so just don't get carried away :D

Ridgerunner- As far as carbs go, the book Allergy and Candida Cooking allows the following starchy foods in "limited amounts":

Vegetables:  beet, cooked carrot (raw is unlimited), celery root, parsnip, potatoes, pumpkin, rutabaga, winter squash (except spaghetti is unlimited), sweet potatoes

Legumes: flat beans, lima beans, shelled peas (pea pods are unlimited), soybeans

Whole Grains/Nongrains, and Starches: amaranth, brown rice (but no brown rice pasta), buckwheat, millet, oat, quinoa, teff, wild rice, arrowroot, tapioca starch, and kudzu

She says you can have "a few" servings per day, which I'm interpreting to mean three.  And she says a serving of grains is 1/2 to 3/4 cup, and a serving of sweet potato is a small potato.  But definitely stay away from gluten grains (wheat, spelt, kamut, barley, and rye - there is still some discussion about whether or not oats have gluten) because gluten rapidly converts to glucose.

And the Whole Approach plan allows one serving of some limited foods (including type 1 and 2 grains) plus one serving of type 3 grain limited food each day, although it does say that many people feel better completely eliminating grains.  For what constitutes a type 1 vs 2 vs 3 grain, you can check out their website at http://www.wholeapproach.com/diet/foodlist.php.

Well, I'm going to finish my snack and head to bed.  Goodnight, all!  Hope you had a fun weekend away, WI Cheesehead :)
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: orcuttranch May 25, 2009, 06:26:37 PM

Orcuttranch- Interesting to hear that xylitol actually seems to have anti-fungal properties!  Our pediatrician told me that I could use stevia or xylitol to sweeten things with while on the cleanse, so you should be good to use it.  But she did say that using it in large amounts can cause digestive problems, so just don't get carried away :D


Oh - that's right.  It says on the package excessive amounts of it can lead to diarrhea.  Encouraging isn't it?  But on the Wilkipedia site, it says that it is because it is a sugar alcohol and sugar alcohols tend to have a laxative affect (or effect?).  It says that over time, people get used to it. :)  It also says don't feed it to your dog.  That one concerned me for a little while until I remembered that dogs can't eat chocolate either.  Chocolate hasn't killed me yet!   ;D
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: Mamatoto May 25, 2009, 06:29:20 PM
It also says don't feed it to your dog.  That one concerned me for a little while until I remembered that dogs can't eat chocolate either.  Chocolate hasn't killed me yet!   ;D

LOL!
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: WI Cheesehead May 26, 2009, 02:01:56 AM
Got back yesterday.  It was so nice, but don't think we can get away again for a long time (at least without kids).  My parents had a stressful weekend.  But it was partly their fault.  They didn't follow the diet very well, and the 6 yo wasn't too well behaved.

I don't really have a set recipe for the kefir smoothie.  I usu. use 1 c of kefir (the homemade stuff is runnier), a handful of berries and a little stevia.  It came out thick one day, and I had some Red Raspberry Leaf tea on hand, so I added some to thin it out.  Turned out yummy.  I also add flax seed and oat bran.  I got my kefir grains locally, but there is a thread here for getting it from someone who has extra.

DD is feeling sick again.  I think she's also developing spring allergies.  She started sneezing and the runny nose etc. this weekend.  Mine started about a week or so ago.  I will be so glad when school is over and I don't have to deal with the whining (and I can start the supplements).

My DH has the gastric reflux pretty badly, so I'm not sure that the peppermint tea would help.  But that was interesting about rebound.  I'm not sure if I could find raw goat's milk here.  I can get raw cow's milk, but I'm holding off on that until we're done with the diet.

We're not too far from Watertown (I think about 35-45 minutes?)

Had a wonderful weekend at the B&B.  She is green certified too, so I enjoyed that.  Organic food, all natural bath products etc.  Now I'm having a hard time getting going.  I got really dizzy for about half a day Sunday.  It was weird.  It finally went away around 9:00.
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: orcuttranch May 26, 2009, 06:39:41 AM

DD is feeling sick again.  I think she's also developing spring allergies.  She started sneezing and the runny nose etc. this weekend.  Mine started about a week or so ago.  I will be so glad when school is over and I don't have to deal with the whining (and I can start the supplements).


So glad you had a good weekend away!  It is nice every now and then to have that break. 

Sorry - not really candida related, but have you tried local raw honey for the allergies?  That saved our family.  1 tsp a day.  The kids loved it just taking a spoon of it.  Allergies are really bad around here and ours are awful!  I had tried Claritin - did not work. But the honey actually left me completely symptom free and of course it is all natural.  My husband didn't try it at first, and we always get allergies at the same time.  He was miserable and I didn't have any symptoms.  It was great! (well, for me it was great).   Although, sad to say, my honey supplier passed away at Christmas, so I'm looking for another one.  We are thinking about becoming our own supplier. :)  Anyway - it has to be local and raw.  You can usually find it at Farmer's Markets.  You might have to wait another month, though before you can find it.  It's just starting to be available around here now and we're warmer than you.  Of course, all the recommendations are not to give it to someone under 1 and I've even heard 2 before. It also  wouldn't help with the candida, though.  There are a few threads on WTM that talk about it.  A lot of them say 1 Tbsp. a day.  We did great on 1 tsp. a day and our allergies have always been pretty bad.  I also read that you have to take it before the pollen hits so that it is already in your system.  But I started giving it to my kids when they started the symptoms and it cleared them up.
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: herbalmom May 26, 2009, 06:58:56 AM
Chocolate is toxic to dogs if they get a lot of it. Xylitol on the other hand, is DEADLY to dogs in SMALL amounts. It leads to sudden, very low blood sugar & can kill a dog VERY quickly. Xylitol gum & candy are a big concern when you have dogs. Just wanted to give a heads up about that part.

It also says don't feed it to your dog.  That one concerned me for a little while until I remembered that dogs can't eat chocolate either.  Chocolate hasn't killed me yet!   ;D
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: Mamatoto May 26, 2009, 06:36:53 PM
Talked to a neighbor friend this morning and PTL she said I can use her kitchen to prep and cook my food!  I just need to find enough money to purchase a month's worth of freezer-safe individual size storage containers, although some of the things would probably be fine in ziplocks.  I'll have to cut up my veggies on a bit more of a regular basis - guessing that if I chop and freeze, they won't be crisp and fresh-tasting after thawing.  But I do have a bunch of those green bags that make your fruits and vegetables last longer.  So I might be able to get away with prepping that stuff once a week or so.  The basement of the office I rent my office from has a fridge/freezer, but it's so dirty and gross-looking I haven't even wanted to touch it.  I did take a peek in it the other day and it's pretty much empty, so some time this week I'll bring some rubber gloves and some homemade cleaning solution with extra essential oils and see if I can't get it clean enough to want to use.  I don't think I can bring myself to use a microwave - haven't used one in about 14 years - but I've wanted to buy a toaster oven for a while, so maybe I'll save up for one of those.  My crockpot is in storage, but the people I live with have a small one I've never seen them use, so I'm going to ask if I can use that.  Anyways, those are a few of my musings based on Herbalmom's super great ideas :)

Orcuttranch- I forgot to mention that the Maker's Diet specifically does not allow xylitol.  Unfortunately, he doesn't explain why not.  So I think I'm going to stick with stevia for my sweet things.  Does anyone have any ideas why it wouldn't be allowed?

WI Cheesehead- When does school get out for your daughter?  Have you guys pretty much been on the diet, just without the supplements?  If so, hopefully any supplement-induced die-off will be way easier to handle than it was when you first tried it, because the candida has already been on a slow starvation diet ;)

I just looked at the nutritional information on my store-purchased kefir (plain with no added sugar, fruit, etc.), and it says 10g sugar per 8 oz!  I guess that means the lactose is still present :(

Ridgerunner- I forgot to ask you what your blood type is.  I'm curious how the diet works for you, since I've heard conflicting information about that one. 

Elenita- You've done such a great job of sticking to your diet for so long!!!  Have you seen any of your symptoms decrease (and stay that way) since you started?  Really hoping it won't be too long before you're feeling better!

It's 3 minutes past my bedtime, but I need to stay up longer tonight since I wash diapers on the even days and I haven't had access to the washer yet :( So I'll need to stay up through the wash and extra rinse, then I can put them in the drier and get to bed.  I'm really tired, though.  I suppose this would be the time to take a shower - I'm in desperate need of one!! :o  :-[  :-X Also thought I'd mention that I think I'm getting another yeast infection in my nipples >:(  On that note... hope you all have a successful day tomorrow :)
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: Elenita May 27, 2009, 02:34:11 AM
Talked to a neighbor friend this morning and PTL she said I can use her kitchen to prep and cook my food!  I just need to find enough money to purchase a month's worth of freezer-safe individual size storage containers, although some of the things would probably be fine in ziplocks.  I'll have to cut up my veggies on a bit more of a regular basis - guessing that if I chop and freeze, they won't be crisp and fresh-tasting after thawing.  But I do have a bunch of those green bags that make your fruits and vegetables last longer.  So I might be able to get away with prepping that stuff once a week or so.  The basement of the office I rent my office from has a fridge/freezer, but it's so dirty and gross-looking I haven't even wanted to touch it.  I did take a peek in it the other day and it's pretty much empty, so some time this week I'll bring some rubber gloves and some homemade cleaning solution with extra essential oils and see if I can't get it clean enough to want to use.  I don't think I can bring myself to use a microwave - haven't used one in about 14 years - but I've wanted to buy a toaster oven for a while, so maybe I'll save up for one of those.  My crockpot is in storage, but the people I live with have a small one I've never seen them use, so I'm going to ask if I can use that.  Anyways, those are a few of my musings based on Herbalmom's super great ideas :)

Those sound like some great ideas. PTL, I hope it will work out to share the kitchen with your neighbour. It also sounds like you're doing great on trying to go to bed earlier (even if it doesn't work always ;)), are you feeling like you're a bit more rested?

Orcuttranch- I forgot to mention that the Maker's Diet specifically does not allow xylitol.  Unfortunately, he doesn't explain why not.  So I think I'm going to stick with stevia for my sweet things.  Does anyone have any ideas why it wouldn't be allowed?

My diet (SCD), doesn't allow Xylitol either, she says:
They fall under the category of indigestible carbs and sugars, and so allow companies to label things 'sugar free', even though they are providing nutrition to the bacteria that live in your digestive tract.
 You could check at:
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/maltitol_mannitol.htm, although there's not a lot more information about it.


Elenita- You've done such a great job of sticking to your diet for so long!!!  Have you seen any of your symptoms decrease (and stay that way) since you started?  Really hoping it won't be too long before you're feeling better!

Yeah, I am doing better, slowly but steady :). Actually, I got my supplements yesterday. yeah, so today I start with Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune Up. I hope the die-off symptoms won't be so bad, as I've been on the diet for a while. I think I reached a point in the diet where it's getting harder. The bread my family is eating looks and smells so delicious (made it myself ;D), and yesterday a friend invited us for delicious blueberry cake with whipped cream (she brought the blueberries from her part of Mexico, you can't get them here), and I didn't eat a bit. :-\ ;D But, she saved me up some blueberries :). So I had a little treat anyways.
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: ridgerunner May 27, 2009, 03:33:19 AM
Ridgerunner- I forgot to ask you what your blood type is.  I'm curious how the diet works for you, since I've heard conflicting information about that one.

I am O negative.  A lot of people think the blood type diet is hooey (here in the WTM thread I linked) but the reason why I think it may have some merit is my experience.  He says that blood types developed because of the lifestyles of our ancestors (like a meddeteranian fisherman vs. celtic farmer or american indian hunter for a rough example) and that the nutritional needs developed by the lifestyles of our ancestors are still somewhat present.  That's a really rough explanation since I haven't finished the book or anything, but basically he lists foods that are beneficial, neutral, or to be avoided based on your blood type.  I noticed when reading through these lists that most of the foods that are beneficial for type O are foods that I crave a lot and feel better when I eat (like red meat and cayenne pepper) and a lot of foods that make me feel bad are on the avoid list for type O, such as cauliflower. 

Anyway... it may be hooey, I'm not a scientist or doctor, but there were enough consistencies with my observations of my body's reactions to foods that I decided to give it a whirl.  :)
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: WI Cheesehead May 27, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
So, my 6 yo has been a crazy nut this week.  Probably due to what my parents fed the kids.  Way too much grain and almost a whole big box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch!  >:(  So I guess we are on the right track with him.  When we are done with this diet, I'll have to make special bread for him (unless I can find one that turns out well enough for everyone to eat).

Here's a dessert I found on Whole Approach (with my sub's).  I'm going to try it with the flax gel for the egg and add some peanut butter.  Sorry, mamatoto, probably not one you'll be able to make (microwave and all!)

5 Minute Choc. Mud Cake

4 tablespoons flour (I used buckwheat)
1/2 T (or to taste) stevia blend
2 tablespoons carob
1 egg
4 tablespoons milk (Rice/nut milk)
2 tablespoons oil
3 tablespoons chocolate chips (optional) - (but obviously not for us to use!)
a small splash of vanilla extract
1 large coffee mug

Add dry ingredients to mug, and mix well.  Add the egg and mix thoroughly.  Pour in the milk and oil and mix well.  Add the chocolate chips (if using) and vanilla extract and mix again.  Put your mug in the microwave and cook for 3 minutes at 1000 watts (high).  The cake will rise over the top of the mug, but don't be alarmed!

Allow to cool a little, and tip out onto a plate if desired.
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: Mamatoto May 27, 2009, 06:37:49 PM
Way to go, Elenita!  I know how you are feeling, having been "deprived" of your favorite foods for so long.  If you ever feel like cheating, think of me, since three days of healthy cheating turned into a month-long mess.  I'm planning on finishing up the kefir, berries, and raw cheese I have (oh, and the apples, peaches, and mango, too ;D) before jumping back in, since I don't have any food money until the 1st.  So hopefully I can keep things somewhat under control until then. 

WI Cheesehead, best of luck keeping a good attitude with your 6 yo - hopefully things will settle down soon!!!  But the positive in all this is that you were able to make a good link to his diet and his behavior.  I remember I used to love it when my mom went away for the weekend to ladies' retreats at camp because it meant we got to eat Captain Crunch cereal and TV dinners!!!  Disgusting!

DS finally fell asleep just before 10 - every time he was almost asleep he threw up, so I had to strip the bed, make it, and clean the carpet before settling down again.  This happened three times before I ran out of mattress protectors and sheets :( Right now he's sleeping directly on a mattress protector, facing the opposite side of the bed as normal since there's a stinky wet spot where we normally put our heads, with his head lying on a "burp cloth/nose wiper/face cleaner" (toddler size prefold diaper) in case he throws up again.  The only reason I can think that he's throwing up is that he ate more than normal today.  Usually it's no more than 2 T of food each day, but today he was REALLY liking lunch and so ate a lot.  It's all food he's had before, so not quite sure what's going on.  Not much else to report.  Night night!
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: linemansgirl May 28, 2009, 07:02:16 AM
Hi Ladies!  I thought that I would check in and tell you why I fell off of the planet!  :D  About the time that I last posted I totally crashed.  I have been struggling just trying to survive and take care of my family the past couple months.  Come to find out I am dealing with low thyroid, adrenal exhaustion and hypoglycemia.  At this point in time my herbalist really doesn't think that I have yeast problems.  So I am on a her diet, but it isn't quite as restrictive as the anti candida diet.
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: WI Cheesehead May 28, 2009, 08:13:39 AM
Forgot to answer your questions Mamatoto.  DD gets out June 3rd.  We have been somewhat following the diet, but not totally (as evidenced by this weekend).  Also, I make my kefir with regular pasteurized whole milk.  We have the same set up for raw milk here, but I would have to buy 12 or more gallons a month to make the cost economical, and with this program, I don't want to start that yet.  I don't have to get on a list though.

I made some gluten free Irish Soda bread that turned out pretty well.  I just didn't know how much stevia to use and probably need to reduce it next time (I only used 1/8 tsp stevia blend too).  It didn't rise (which I didn't expect) so I was wondering if I could make this 1 1/2 and put it in the same pan to get a little bigger loaf.  I put mine in a 8x4 inch loaf pan.  If you want the gluten free baking mix recipe, I can post that too.  I didn't use the caraway either.

Irish Soda Bread
Cooking Free

2 C gluten free baking mix
2 tsp white sugar (stevia equivalent)
1 tsp xanthan gum (or 1 ½ tsp guar gum)
¾ tsp salt
½ tsp unflavored gelatin powder
½ tsp baking powder
½ tsp baking soda
1 egg or ¼ C soft silken tofu
1 C buttermilk or homemade kefir
2 T oil
1 T caraway seeds

Preheat oven to 350°.  Grease two 5-3 inch nonstick loaf pans or one 8-inch square nonstick baking pan.

Combine dry ingredients in large mixer bowl and mix well.  

With mixer on low, add egg, buttermilk, oil and caraway seeds.  Blend on medium speed for 2 minutes.

Spoon into prepared pans, smoothing tops with wet spatula, if necessary.  Bake small pans for 45-50 minutes, large pan for 50-55 minutes, until top is deeply browned and loaf sounds hollow when tapped.
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: Elenita May 28, 2009, 11:10:24 AM
Linemansgirl- good to hear from you  :), well you have a lot to deal with. I hope the new diet really helps you.

Mamatoto, I hope your little one is okay again, what kind of food is he eating?

Ridgerunner, can you combine your diet with a anti-candida-diet?

I actually found out, that my doctor does not believe that yeast is the problem :P. Well, he's a very good doctor, but he just sees it on very school-medicine based knowledge. So I will do my candida-cleanse anyway and wait with the further tests he wants to do, until I can see some results-hopefully soon ;).
I'm the second day on Yeast-Assassin and probiotics, yesterday went pretty well, right now I'm feeling a little bit yucky, but not too bad.

I think I'm keeping so well to the diet because I really need to get that operation done soon. So I'm really motivated.
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: orcuttranch May 28, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
Mamatoto - I am really excited for you!  it is always exciting to see direct answers to prayer! 

Okay, ladies - my excitement over xylitol has quickly faded.  It would be fine if I didn't need so much to equal the sweetness that I am used to from the Splenda.  Of course, I could gradually wean myself off that taste, but am not too crazy about that yet. :)  But when I add a good amount of the xylitol, then it tends to make my stomach upset.  I haven't had the laxative problem personally, but I had it in my shake and my 1 year old was drinking it with me.  She had diarrhea 3 different times later that day with no other symptoms or problems.  I'm thinking she might have had too much.  Also, since it isn't as sweet, I use more and so it makes it less cost effective than the stevia would have been anyway. 

 I found some samples of stevia at the health food store.  I wasn't going to buy a bunch without tasting it first.  Live and learn with the xylitol.  Anyway - I put that in my tea in the morning and it was great!  So I'm officially switching. 

Okay - this is also my public announcement.  If I don't announce it, I won't follow through with it.  My birthday is on the 6th, and my goal is not to eat any sugar until then.  I feel like if I give myself a deadline, then it is easier to follow through until the cravings are gone.  Then maybe by that time I won't really want it anymore anyway?  I can only hope.  The bad thing is that we will be on vacation that weekend with all my family, so that might be hard.  We are renting a house for everyone to stay in, though, so we will be cooking at "home" - that will help.  I actually decided on Tuesday that I was going to do it and failed that first day.  We had company from out of town and everyone wanted to go out for icecream, so I caved.  But I've made it Wednesday and Thursday (I'm going to bed soon, so I think I'm okay for today  ;D).  So someone is going to have to ask me in a couple days if I cheated. :D  I will say that so far, these two days have been easier than I ever remember when I've tried this before.  Maybe tomorrow is going to be rough?  Maybe it's the Bio-K still in action . . . ;D

My bedtime tea is kicking in - I'm off.
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: WI Cheesehead May 29, 2009, 03:57:45 AM
Just made gluten free tortillas that look great!  Will use them later today, but they seem pliable and they're easy to make.  The last ones I made (the soft wraps) nobody else liked.  I think they'll like these.

3/4 cup rice flour
1/4 cup chickpea flour
1/2 cup potato starch
1/2 cup tapioca flour
1/2 teaspoon guar gum (or additional xanthan gum)
1/2 teaspoon xanthan gum
1 teaspoon sea salt
1 teaspoon gluten free baking powder
1/4 cup coconut butter (or olive oil)
1 cup hot water
Directions
1Mix dry ingredients together.
2Add coconut butter or oil and blend until crumbly.
3Add half a cup of the hot water and knead.
4Gradually add more of the hot water, a little at a time until you can knead the dough into a ball.
5Split into 8 or 10 small balls. Cover with a damp paper towel or cloth.
6Roll out each ball into tortillas, about 6" (15 cm) wide. For a neat tortillas cut around a small plate with a sharp knife.
7Gently place on to a hot skillet for a few seconds until bubbles appear and then flip over. Cook for a few more seconds.
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: ridgerunner May 29, 2009, 05:53:21 AM
Ridgerunner, can you combine your diet with a anti-candida-diet?

Yes, actually what I plan to do is go by the Whole Approach diet, get the list of approved anti-candida food from there, and then cross reference that with the approved foods for type O on the blood type diet and if there's anything allowed for anti-candida on whole approach that is an 'avoid' food for type O, do away with that.  Most of the 'avoid' foods for type O that I've found so far are things that wouldn't be allowed on an anti-candida diet anyway, so it shouldn't really cut out too much. 

Of course, once I've finished the narrowing down of the list then I have to go through it one more time and make sure that what I have left meets the basic nutritional requirements to be healthy.  THEN - I'll be ready to start.  Seems like a lot of work rather than just picking one anti-candida diet and going with it, but feeling good at the same time I'm doing this is very important for me and I think (based on my experience) that making sure to eat type O beneficial foods while going through die-off will help me stick this out.  I know myself, and if I don't feel like I've thoroughly researched what I'm doing and am doing it the best way possible, I won't stick to it.   :P  :D
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: WI Cheesehead May 30, 2009, 03:57:47 PM
Well, the tortillas turned out great!  The only thing is there is a slight sweet taste, due to the tapioca flour.  I might sub. that out, or add in garlic/onion powders to mask it.  They are still flexible too.

I tried the Irish soda bread again, doubling the baking powder and soda.  It rose much better!  I also left out the sugar.  Don't know why it's even in there, with no yeast.  I think this will work for sandwhich bread, and if I have a big batch of the gluten free flour already made, it will be a cinch to put together.  It's still a far cry (in taste) from my regular homemade bread, but is the best I've seen yet for the limitations we have.  My baking mix was:

1 ½ C buckwheat flour
1 ½ C arrowroot powder
1 C tapioca flour
½ C bean flour
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: orcuttranch May 31, 2009, 06:58:56 PM
A friend of mine told me that her doctor told her to take probiotics on an empty stomach before bed.  But my bottle says specifically to take them with a meal.  Anybody know why to take them with a meal and if it is a good idea to take them right before bed instead?  She said the reasoning is that then they just stay in your gut all night without food to mess them up.  Sounds logical.  Just wonder what you all think.
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: WI Cheesehead June 01, 2009, 02:21:03 AM
I have had the same exact question.  I heard to not eat them within 15 minutes of eating food.  But my bottle says to eat with food and water.  It's a pretty heavy probiotic, 66 billion organisms in 1 capsule, so maybe it's too potent and will irritate an empty stomach.
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: orcuttranch June 01, 2009, 08:04:48 AM
It's a pretty heavy probiotic, 66 billion organisms in 1 capsule, so maybe it's too potent and will irritate an empty stomach.

Wow! That is potent!  Mine is 24 billion, though and still says it.  And another friend of mine has been taking the shelf-stable ones that are even less and her bottle says it too.

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: orcuttranch June 01, 2009, 08:07:07 AM
Oh - one more question.  This friend also said that eating sprouted grains was okay (like Ezekiel bread) on an anti-yeast diet.  I thought all grains weren't allowed.  I haven't actually gotten to the point yet of cutting them out, but I might be more likely to try it if I could at least eat Ezekiel bread. :)
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: Mamatoto June 01, 2009, 08:24:33 AM
My Prescription for Natural Cures book says to take probiotics 30 minutes after eating, although it doesn't say why.  As far as Ezekiel bread goes, it contains a lot of gluten grains (specifically, wheat, barley, and spelt), and gluten quickly turns to glucose, so it would be out unless sprouting eliminates the gluten.  But it seems many plans allow gluten-free grains and non-grains in limited quantities.  There are lots of "bread" recipes out there using these grains, so you might want to try some of them out.  WI Cheesehead is great at doing kitchen experiments and posting the results, so you might try scrolling back through her posts for recipes.

ORCUTTRANCH - DID YOU HAVE ANY SUGAR THIS WEEKEND?? ;D :P

Mamatoto, I hope your little one is okay again, what kind of food is he eating?

He's eating a little bit of whatever I eat, except that this past month I haven't given him anything that I shouldn't have been eating.  So as far as "bad" food, he's only getting that through my breast milk.  Still bad, I know.  The day he started throwing up we had rice, beans, beef, and salsa, which we've had before...??  That night he woke up and threw up three more times, then the next day he threw up all over me at the office, so I smelled like vomit all day.  (I thought to bring extra clothes for him, but not me :()  Friday I found a tooth bud for his second molar, so that may have been a factor ??? And last night he started screaming and grabbing at his ear, so he might also be dealing with an ear infection.  So I started garlic/mullein oil drops as well as the Chinese herbs I bought from our pediatrician last checkup, and he seems to be doing much better.

Yesterday I threw out everything I'm not allowed to eat, and since the people I live with were out of town over the weekend, I was prep what was left of my food into some meals for the next few days.  Hopefully I'll be able to go shopping today for the meals that are on my "official plan."  But until then, at least I'm officially back on the diet as of today. 
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: orcuttranch June 01, 2009, 10:20:38 AM

ORCUTTRANCH - DID YOU HAVE ANY SUGAR THIS WEEKEND?? ;D :P



Thanks for asking - no I didn't.  And I couldn't have read that at a better time.  A lady just came in to pay her rent and she always drops off some "treat" for the kids.  This time it is snack size snickers, milky way and 3 muskateers.  I have been sitting here saying, "one won't hurt me" and then I say, "but I told myself I wouldn't".  I've been going back and forth for the last 15 minutes.  Then I read your post! ;D  It is now time for me to go home, so now I can make it out the door without eating one. :) 

Thanks also for the information.  I thought that didn't sound right.  Although I might do some research into whether or not the sprouted variety cancels out the glucose aspect.  This friend of mine was having anafalactic (sp?) reactions to sugar and cut out all sugar over the past two months, but still eats Ezekiel bread.  She's had a couple of attacks recently, too and maybe it is from those gluten grains turning into sugar.  She is kind of at a loss as to what to do and is seeing an allergist this week.  Could it be a yeast reaction?  It sounds kind of severe.  She said she did just get Yeast Assassin and had been taking it for I think 2 days when I talked to her.

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: ridgerunner June 01, 2009, 05:03:05 PM
I bought a bottle of Yeast Assasin from beeyoutiful.  I figured spending money on a supplement (even though I already have all the herbs that it contains tinctured) will make me more likely to stick to this.  :P

I still have yet to make it through a single day without any sugar at all...  :-[
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: orcuttranch June 01, 2009, 05:24:48 PM

I still have yet to make it through a single day without any sugar at all...  :-[

When you say no sugar, do you also include grains, starches, etc., or just things with actual sugar in them (brown, white, raw, etc.?)

I am probably not close to where most of you are, but I am slowly getting there.  And I lost 2 pounds last week - a definite plus because I really need to lose excess weight.
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: ridgerunner June 01, 2009, 05:48:25 PM
When you say no sugar, do you also include grains, starches, etc., or just things with actual sugar in them (brown, white, raw, etc.?)

I mean all - starchy vegetables, grains, honey, granulated sugar, etc.  I haven't been able to make it through a single day without at least one of these.  I didn't really eat much simple sugar before I learned about candida so that usually isn't a problem, but when I get stressed I start craving sugar - whether it be from carbs or candy, my body thinks it has to have some.

I think what I actually need to do is research some herbs that help regulate blood sugar levels.  When I get stressed and start feeling the need for sugar usually my blood sugar has dropped.  I've checked it at these times before and it's around 45 and I'm starting to get close to fainting.... so when my body starts getting close to that stage I eat sugar to even it back out.  Especially when I'm at work because I can't afford to faint.  (My company flips out if I faint in the office and has all kind of regulations about how I have to go to the hospital, etc.  :P)  If I could get that under control, I might be able to do it.  :(
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: Mamatoto June 01, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
Day 1 #2 - Mild headache and the gas is back!  Other than that, nothing noticeably different from yesterday (except my food :D).  I just completed the Whole Approach questionnaire and I scored a 168, which is still double the "severe" score, but way better than the 240 I scored a month ago.  This doesn't really make sense, since I haven't really been eating on the diet or taking my supplements for the past month. ???

I realized today that I tend to eat when I'm tired.  I was tired today - not sleepy tired, just feeling a general lack of energy.  But I'm not really attributing that to the candida or the cleanse; I'm attributing that to the fact that nothing really happened at the office today and so it was all afternoon/evening just playing with DS in an office.  I don't seem to have trouble with this at home or when we're out, but it's really hard in the office.  I run out of ideas.  Sometimes he entertains himself great, but not always.  And so I think that's what's making me tired.  I definitely can see the benefit of having children when you're young because you have energy and creativity!!  And I definitely can see the benefit of having children close together because they can play together.  But I guess I'm younger than Sarah and Abraham were when they had Isaac - maybe I need to think about that more often :D

Also, I just looked at the back of my probiotic, and it says to take in between meals.  Now I'm really confused, because I know other brands I've taken have said to take with meals.  I think I'm going to ask our pediatrician what she recommends, since I really respect her opinion on these type of things.  But we don't go in for another three weeks so it'll have to wait.  If anyone finds anything else out in the meantime, I'd certainly be curious to hear about it.
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: herbalmom June 01, 2009, 06:35:56 PM
I think what I actually need to do is research some herbs that help regulate blood sugar levels.  When I get stressed and start feeling the need for sugar usually my blood sugar has dropped.  I've checked it at these times before and it's around 45 and I'm starting to get close to fainting.... so when my body starts getting close to that stage I eat sugar to even it back out.  Especially when I'm at work because I can't afford to faint.  (My company flips out if I faint in the office and has all kind of regulations about how I have to go to the hospital, etc.  :P)  If I could get that under control, I might be able to do it.  :(

Taking licorice root 4 times a day like I recommended here (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,21241.msg231492.html#msg231492) will help prevent your blood sugar from bottoming out. With reg use & a good diet, it also helps nourish & heal the adrenals, pancreas, etc. (Now if I would just take my own advice my low blood sugar might improve & stop bottoming out  ;)- Pepsi is the thing that I can't seem to give up. ::) ::))   

Even if you don't choose to take it 4Xs a day taking it when your blood sugar has dropped or when you feel the need for sugar (2-4 caps depending on how bad it is) will usually take care of the low blood sugar. Then snack on some protein to help keep the blood sugar from dropping again. As I mentioned above, I eat a lousy diet & my blood sugar bounces a lot. Licorice does a good job when my blood sugar bottoms out. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: WI Cheesehead June 02, 2009, 01:42:45 AM
Could you call your pediatrician?  They're always available over the phone, after seeing patients.  That way you wouldn't have to wait.  (Or us either! LOL)  I don't think my pediatrician is that "natural".
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: orcuttranch June 02, 2009, 08:21:13 AM
When you say no sugar, do you also include grains, starches, etc., or just things with actual sugar in them (brown, white, raw, etc.?)

I mean all - starchy vegetables, grains, honey, granulated sugar, etc.  I haven't been able to make it through a single day without at least one of these.  I didn't really eat much simple sugar before I learned about candida so that usually isn't a problem, but when I get stressed I start craving sugar - whether it be from carbs or candy, my body thinks it has to have some.


Well, you're my hero!  All of you are.  I'm just trying to get off refined sugar right now - and that is a huge step for me!!  I am really excited at the difference just this is making, though.  I have had so much more energy in the last few days and my attitude is so much better.  I'm not going through the highs and lows that I normally do.  I know it has only been about 3 days, but I can really tell a difference and it helps me keep it up. 

My mom is making the Bio-K yogurt now, too.  She has been doing it for a week, so I'm anxious to find out if she notices a difference.  I didn't really notice a lot of difference for about 2 weeks (other than the absence of the active yeast infection).  She didn't have an active yeast infection when she started it.   

Herballmom mentioned snacking on some protein.  I don't know if you eat beef, but if you do, you can make your own jerky really easily - we just got finished making some for our trip this weekend.  London Broil works the best that I've found - you want a lean cut.  The way they cut it, too makes it just the right size for jerky strips.  If you buy your meat at a meat counter, they will generally slice it for you for free into jerky strips (that saves a ton of work and ensures even drying!).  Anyway - when you get it home, soak it in your favorite marinade or just salt and pepper it.  If you're soaking - overnight is best.  Line cookie sheets with aluminum foil (well worth it - the crust that you have to scrape off your pan afterward is not fun).  On top of the cookie sheets, put wire cooling racks down and lay your jerky strips across it.  Put it in the oven with the door cracked slightly as low as your oven will go.  Mine will only go to 170, but ideal is 150.  Depending on how thick you like your jerky, it can take anywhere from 3 or 4 hours to 7 or 8.  Just keep an eye on it.  Vacuum sealing it is the best if you can - will last longer.  If not, just put it in ziplocks and keep in the fridge.  When I vacuum seal it, I keep it in the pantry.  I know you can keep it in the fridge for at least 3 weeks in ziplocks, but I am not sure about any longer.  I've heard different lengths of time, but ours has never lasted long enough for me to find out if it is still good say 2 months down the road.  I don't put preservatives on it, so it wouldn't last as long as store bought.  Now, technically, you can also do it in a dehydrator.  But I don't have one anymore and it takes a lot longer and with the dehydrator I had, I couldn't make as much as I could in the oven.  Then I also heard that a dehydrator doesn't get hot enough to kill any bacteria (haven't actually researched it, though).

And I definitely want to try out some of WI Cheesehead's recipes.  There was a micro "mud cake" I think (maybe I read it on another thread - can't remember) that sounds just like a healthier version of one that I make at home.  So I am anxious especially to give that a try.  Of course it is the dessert that I want to try first.  ;D  Thankfully, my husband is pretty good about being "experimented" on and he really wants to make a switch to more healthy eating.  So I'm glad for the support! 

I have to laugh, though.  I don't know if you remember me telling you all about my husband trying the yogurt - wouldn't touch the first batch.  Tried the second and liked it, but still hasn't voluntarily eaten any (except in a smoothie every now and then).  But we went to someone's house the other day and he went on and on about us making yogurt and how great it was.  It was really nice to hear that he does really appreciate it and likes it. 

That would be great, Mamatoto, to find out what your pediatrician says.  I tried to look up holistic or natural doctors in our city and there aren't any.  Not very surprising.  The closest one is an hour away.  We have a friend that we graduated from college with that went on to Washington and got his doctorate in holistic healing (I think that is what he called it).  Anyway, he is now a practicing doctor in Janesville, WI (might be close to you, WI Cheesehead).  We decided that we are going to write down all our questions over the next few weeks and then give him a call.  We need to catch up with their family anyway.  :)
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: WI Cheesehead June 02, 2009, 10:40:55 AM
Orcuttranch - I'm near Milwaukee, so Janesville is kind of a hike!  I do have a naturopath, if I want to pay the $ to go see him.  When I have ins. that costs $10 visit, $85 to see the naturopath is kind of steep!  Yes, the choc. cake was a recipe I posted.  Hope you like it!  I'm going to try it with a little flax too.  Thanks for the reminder on making beef jerky.  I've never made it, bcz we strayed away from red meat when my DH's cholesterol hiked to 269.  But it may be worth it for snacking.  Also, instead of foil, you could put parchment paper down on the pan.  That's what I use for cookies and stuff like that all the time and nothing sticks to it!  I am having a really hard time with the diet and preparing.  I finally found that bread recipe that worked out, but am struggling with most meals, creatively.  When you don't eat red meat, and can't afford fish, what's left is chicken and gr. turkey.  It's getting old.
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: Mamatoto June 02, 2009, 11:54:11 AM
Unfortunately, I'm almost to $0 and our pediatrician charges for phone consultations :(  I'll check her price list when I get home tonight to see whether she charges for quick email questions.  Hopefully not!  And hopefully I'll get some more paying clients soon!!

Well, the first bad news is that apparently I don't get my food assistance benefits until the 4th of the month.  (I'm new to this.)  So that means no big grocery shopping until then.  The second bad news is that I woke up this morning feeling incredibly weak and dizzy.  I think it was blood sugar, given that the last time I had any grains was yesterday for breakfast.  I thought about Herbal Mom's licorice post, but didn't have any capsules on hand.  The only thing I had that was immediately ready to eat was almonds, but they didn't seem to make a difference.  Because I had plans to go over to someone's house this morning and clean/organize for them (today was the first day and I'll be going once a week for a couple hours for some extra cash) and I knew I wouldn't be able to do anything at all if I didn't get some food in me, I searched the cupboards belonging to the people I'm living with and the healthiest thing I could find was Kashi cold cereal.  So I ate a bowl of dry cereal and that got me feeling much better.  I guess I need to get some licorice capsules, or make a tincture but I'm not sure where I'd actually be able to set up the crock pot, so although it'd be more expensive I should probably just buy some capsules.  My meal plans for the official diet include three small servings of "limit" grains a day, so hopefully that will be enough.  But until then...  Then the third bad news was that I went to the basement to get the small crock pot to bring into the office so that I could heat my meals up at the office today, and it is now buried behind mounds of stuff.  I may be able to get to it, just not quickly and not when DS is awake.  So that left me running out the door this morning with no food.  So I headed to the local grocery store, which I never shop at because it never has anything edible, and today was no exception.  I ended up deciding to make today a Kashi day and get a box of cold cereal to eat in the car, and a box of crackers to eat at the office.  It's hard to know whether to waste money on unacceptable grains (with sugar) or hormone and antibiotic infested fried chicken.  So I guess today wasn't a good day for the plan (or general nutrition, for that matter).  Hopefully I'll be able to do my grocery shopping and prepping, etc. this weekend.  I've got a plan all worked out that I think will work, but it requires EVERYTHING to be done and packaged ahead of time.  The jerkey idea sounds like a really good one, since I'm getting tired of snacking on seeds and nuts, and I'm still having trouble getting excited about vegetables :P
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: ridgerunner June 02, 2009, 11:59:43 AM
I guess I need to get some licorice capsules, or make a tincture but I'm not sure where I'd actually be able to set up the crock pot, so although it'd be more expensive I should probably just buy some capsules.

I don't know how much the capsules cost, but thought I'd throw out there that I make tinctures without a crock pot.  I just put the herb and alcohol in a jar and put it someplace dark for 4-6 weeks and take it out and shake it every day.  That will leave you without help for about a month, but for long-term it might be useful.  HTH
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: WI Cheesehead June 02, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
I guess I need to get some licorice capsules, or make a tincture but I'm not sure where I'd actually be able to set up the crock pot, so although it'd be more expensive I should probably just buy some capsules.

I don't know how much the capsules cost, but thought I'd throw out there that I make tinctures without a crock pot.  I just put the herb and alcohol in a jar and put it someplace dark for 4-6 weeks and take it out and shake it every day.  That will leave you without help for about a month, but for long-term it might be useful.  HTH

That would be fine, except we're not supposed to have alcohol on this diet.  Although the amount would be very small, if people are watching that, they usually don't even use vanilla made with vodka.  I'm not that picky.  I'm actually not being very picky about a lot!  Regular mayo (olive oil), organic ketchup, etc.  I can only do so much.  I know cabbage is an okay food and I made some sweet/sour red cabbage today (no fat and using stevia) that turned out pretty good!  I also made a chicken stew bcz my 10 yo is sick, but he didn't eat any of it.  He had a salad and 2 small helpings of applesauce.  He's missed 2 days of school.  His last day is June 12th.  My DD's last day is tomorrow at 11:30.
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: Elenita June 03, 2009, 05:12:59 AM
Dear Ladies,
I found several things on probiotics.
I always thought it would be the best to take them well before a meal, so the food wouldn't bother its usefullness. But it seems there are several different opinions out there. And I post here some comments I thought interesting. I know, not all of the remarks are helpful for us (like the ones with the milk), but I still found there's some good information in them. HTH:

There is some disagreement on how to take probiotics, although I am usually happy if my patients just take them consistently. The ideal time to take probiotic supplements is after a meal, since the pH of a full stomach is higher (less acidic) than when it is empty; this can help prevent damage to the probiotics, allowing more of them to reach the intestine.

The length of time that a probiotic will remain in the body varies by the ability of that probiotic to adhere to the cells of the GI tract, so taking a probiotic regularly and in two to three doses per day is a good way to ensure consistent probiotic levels.

Thus when I have suggested for folks to utilize Probiotics, the idea of getting up 1st thing in the morn and drinking some Clean water to Flush the overnite Excess Acids from our Digestive system, is so the Skim Milk and probiotics may then support the New Bacteria that is introduced into the digestive system !

The Clean water Flushes the Excess Acids so the Bacteria can Live and the Skim milk provides food for the bacteria to Grow and multiply on, thus starting Better digestion for the foods eaten afterwards during the rest of the day !

This means that each day one needs to start the morn off with a clean glass of water to Flush the Excess Acids from our Digestive system, because these Digestive Bacteria will not work when our Digestive system is TOO Acidic, then drink some Skim Milk and take the 1st Probiotics with this Skim milk! The Skim Milk may provide the food the Probiotics need to Grow and Multiply ! This may set the stage for Better Digestion the rest of the day for our body !

Then if one is having Digestive problems bothering them alot, it may be advisable to take more Probiotics before each meal the rest of the day and at this time just make sure to drink a little Skim Milk with the Probiotics before the meal !

When To Take Probiotics
By Dr. Ben Kim on November 05, 2005

    * Natural Health Care

I learned something interesting about probiotics this past week from a column in Alive magazine, a Canadian publication that can be found in most health food stores throughout Canada.

Francine Mondou, a microbiologist who specializes in manufacturing probiotics, suggests that it is optimal to take probiotics on a full stomach.

Her reasoning is based on the fact that an empty stomach has a very acidic environment - a pH of about 1.5 to 2.5. Right after a meal, the environment in the stomach becomes less acidic, rising to a pH of about 4.0 to 6.0.

In general, probiotic strains are able to survive for at least two hours in a gastric environment with a pH of 4.0. Ergo, taking probiotics on a full stomach increases the likelihood of the friendly bacterial strains surviving through the acidic environment of your stomach and reaching your intestines, where they can provide several health promoting effects.

Of course, not all bacteria are equal in their ability to survive in acidic environments.

If you are taking a probiotic supplement or thinking of starting on one, your best bet is to choose a product that contains a wide variety of bacterial strains to increase the likelihood of having beneficial organisms reach your intestines. And it certainly won't hurt you to follow Francine's advice about taking your probiotic after a meal.

I agree with orcuttranch, that you're all my heroes!! Each comes from a different background, different situations, different limitations, but you all try to break a habit for the benefit of your health, or/and your children's health. And it isn't easy for any of us.
So hang in there girls, I don't think I would be still doing it, if I wouldn't have all your input, your examples, and your encouragement. And even if there are setbacks, I'm encouraged by that too, because none of us is perfect, but we still keep on.
So thanks to all of you!

Having said that, Mamatoto, I hope you are not too discouraged by your bad day. That can happen. And you have come such a long way already. It's hard to stick to it, so even if that day was kind of unhappy, don't let yourself be discouraged by it, every day is a new chance of doing things better  ;).

Since I'm taking Yeast Assassin and TummyTuneUp my itching is worse. I sure hope that's a sign, that the yeast is dying, but it still makes me thinking how serious the whole thing is, and how long it still might take until I'm actually rid of it.   :P
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: mykidsmom June 03, 2009, 05:34:29 AM

Since I'm taking Yeast Assassin and TummyTuneUp my itching is worse. I sure hope that's a sign, that the yeast is dying, but it still makes me thinking how serious the whole thing is, and how long it still might take until I'm actually rid of it.   :P


I've never heard of itching as a die off symptom.  I actually would check the ingredients of these two things because there may be something in them that you're allergic to. 

patti
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: ridgerunner June 03, 2009, 05:36:23 AM
herbalmom - I forgot to thank you for the licorice root info!  I'll be getting me some soon...  

I know that alcohol isn't technically allowed, but I'd be out a HUGE amount of money if I quit using my tinctures and started over.. Also, many of them replaced prescription drugs that I was on and so have got to be better than continuing to take those.  Anyway... with all the trouble I'm having giving up carbs & other sugars, I figure a dropper or two of alcohol is the least of my worries. :D  I wonder.... I always drop my tinctures into warm tea or water to dissolve the alcohol so that it won't make me more tired... wonder if that affects the sugar content?  I'll have to research that.  

I agree with everyone else, I wouldn't even be trying this still if it weren't for you ladies! :)
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: orcuttranch June 03, 2009, 10:21:08 AM
Also, instead of foil, you could put parchment paper down on the pan. 

When you don't eat red meat, and can't afford fish, what's left is chicken and gr. turkey.  It's getting old.

I forgot about parchment paper.  Good idea.  Yes, chicken and ground turkey would get old after a while I'm sure.  This year, we've been eating more beef because we butchered one we bought from a 4h boy.  I was really excited because it is grain fed, no hormones or antibiotics and it was a black angus.  People kept telling me that it might not taste good and then we would be stuck with it for a year.  But it is the best beef we have ever eaten.  We even ground our own hamburger and so we made it really lean.  We don't have much of the steer left, so I'm hoping to do it again.  My husband absolutely loves beef, so I don't know that we would ever be able to give it up (not that I'm complaining - I love it too!).  I did have to buy my London Broil this time because we were out from our steer. 

Mamatoto - Don't worry - we all understand.  I wouldn't want to call and have to pay for an answer either.  :)  Elenita just gave us some good quotes anyway (THANKS ELENITA!!).  And also, I have to say the same thing Elenita said - don't be too discouraged about a bad day.  We all have them!  It is nice to have the support of others on here.

Elenita - I have to agree with you (again).  I really appreciate the support and other opinions and input.  I don't think I would have even tried making any changes if I hadn't read what you all have gone through and are currently doing and the successes and failures of all.  It is truly encouraging and helps me to see that in the end it will be worth it all.  And the support is a  huge key for me! 

I also wanted to post this that I read on http://www.holisticmed.com/sweet/sweet.txt

Licorice Root

    Licorice root is one of the most commonly used herbs in the world.
    No serious adverse reactions have been published about licorice root.
    *Single* chemical extracts have caused serious adverse reactions on
    occassion when used in medicine or candy, but the whole root does not
    cause these serious reactions.  A single chemical extract of
    glycyrrhizin from licorice root causes the blood level of this
    chemical to rise dramatically.  This does not happen to when whole
    licorice root is taken in reasonable amounts.  (See Environmental
    Health Perspectives, Volume 102, Supplement 9, November 1994, 65-68.)
    See the book, "The Scientific Validation of Herbal Medicine" by
    Dr. Daniel B. Mowrey for a more detailed dicussion of licorice root.

    Most herbalists believe that it is wise to avoid excessive and
    long-term use of licorice root.  Many herbalists believe that
    long-term use can cause water retention and hypertension in some
    people.  I use it in tea and herbal formulas often, but it *always*
    comprises less than 25% of the formula or tea (usually around 10%).

    Licorice root is safe for diabetics, but I would *not* use it as a
    primary sweetener.  Stevia is a better choice for diabetics, in my
    opinion.  As an example, you may want to consider using stevia and
    also use fruit juice, small amounts of licorice root in tea, amasake,
    etc. so that you get variety in your diet.  Licorice root is best
    used in small amounts to give herbal teas a sweet taste.

I just remembered reading it when I was researching xylitol, splenda and stevia.  I know that taking it as a supplement is not the same as using it excessively as a sweetener.  It might be good to research what exactly "excessive and long-term use" is.  I'm sure it is like everything else that in balance it is great for you, but out of balance it can have harmful effects (like the diet I've had all my life! ;D)
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: Elenita June 03, 2009, 10:54:27 AM

I've never heard of itching as a die off symptom.  I actually would check the ingredients of these two things because there may be something in them that you're allergic to. 

patti


I had the impression from what I read on   Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction, especially the first part, and also from http://www.wholeapproach.com/diet/dietarychanges.php under "What if I experience a relapse during my program", that intensifying of the symptoms can be normal.
But I sure will check more on what I ate these days. Maybe it would be really helpful to have a diet-diary, to be able to track down, what could be the culprit for having bad days, but I'm soooo bad in writing any kind of diary  :-\.
I never thought I have a food-allergy, but who knows.
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: Mamatoto June 04, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
Well, ladies.  My living situation seems to be getting dicier - I officially do not feel welcome using the kitchen at all, I don't have access to my fridge/freezer food at night, my access to the washer/drier is so limited that I can't actually get a full load done in the time I have (and I cloth diaper!), and I only feel comfortable turning on lights in our room and bathroom and only behind closed doors.  I tried broaching the subjects with the couple I'm living with yesterday, but only really got confirmation on what I can/cannot do now that the son has moved back in.  I don't think they realize how I feel, but there's no point in clarifying since rules are rules and they think they're being fair and I'm in their house.  So I decided that the cleanse will have to wait.  I am too stressed out and so just plain don't have the energy to make it work using my neighbor's kitchen and the office basement.  My plan is to go to Whole Foods every three days and pick up salads, pre-cut fruit, pre-cut veggies, etc.  This means food will become pretty expensive, so I'm hoping I can get creative about it so that I don't have to spend more money than is on my monthly food assistance.  If I stick to cold foods, they should be covered by the food assistance.  Once I have paid my bills this month I'll get a toaster oven so that I can buy some of the prepared foods that are meant to be eaten hot.  I'm only going to buy stuff that Whole Foods makes themselves, so it will be fresh and hopefully have minimal icky stuff (although they seem to prefer canola oil over other oils and everything seems to have a little sugar in it :().  They usually have lots to choose from as far as meat in the salads, etc. so I should be able to get all the nutrients I need this way, even if I'm ingesting stuff I normally wouldn't.  Anyways, I am planning on trying to limit grains since they are obviously my biggest weakness.  And I'll keep dairy out, too.  I'm going to eat fruit because it will be too stressful to find stuff to eat this way if I don't eat fruit.  But I won't buy anything with sugar, honey, maple syrup, etc. as a primary ingredient (thus no sweets).  I printed out some pictures from the Weston A Price Foundation website that show the difference between healthy teeth and unhealthy teeth, and I'll keep them in my wallet as an extra reminder to eat as "primitively" as possible.  My goal is to start drinking a full gallon of water, herbal tea, etc. each day.  I'm hoping I'll have enough money for kombucha a few times a week.  And I think I'll start tinkering with different herbal infusions, and try and drink a quart or two of those each day.  I should be able to brew the herbs in my bathroom, and then just rinse the jars in the kitchen in the morning without causing too much havoc.  I have my own jars and strainers, which is good.  I still have a lot of vitamins and herbal capsules that I bought for the cleanse.  So I'll keep on taking those until they're out.  Unfortunately, I'm out of anti-fungals right now but will see what I can do in the meantime with all the herbs I've got in my closet.  I'll move my probiotics and floradix+herbs to the fridge at the office.  I can get bulk herbs on my food assistance, and I've got tons of coconut glycerin, so I might be able to make a bunch of tinctures - surely I can figure out a place to set up the crockpot.  I don't really want to buy new supplements because (1) I need to save all my extra money so I can get my own place soon, and (2) I don't want them to go to waste since I'm not going to be eating totally clean.  So I'm off the cleanse, but will still be trying to eat healthy with an eye to limiting out my biggest offender: bread.  I do feel like March and April were a success, since I never cheated on the diet, and hopefully May was only a mild setback.  I think I'll keep doing the Whole Approach questionnaire weekly just to keep track of where I'm at.  Each of you have been such an encouragement, and I have learned so much reading your posts.  I'll still keep up with your progress, be rooting for you, and pop in and post every once in a while.  But I guess I'm not officially cleansing now :'( although hopefully I'll be back ASAP!  Best of luck to you all!!!  Can't wait to hear how everyone progresses.  And especially good luck to WI Cheesehead, since you and your daughter will officially be starting SOON :)
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: ridgerunner June 05, 2009, 04:34:25 AM
Well I hate to hear that your living situation is getting worse Mamatoto!  I can definitely understand putting the cleanse off till later and focusing on just eating healthy while in such trying circumstances.  I hope and pray that things get better for you soon! 

Off the subject - where did you get your big supply of coconut glycerin? I'm getting ready to make some tinctures specifically for my 2yo daughter so will be doing some glycerin ones for the first time. 
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: Mamatoto June 05, 2009, 05:14:27 PM
I bought my glycerin from Mountain Rose Herbs.  Once you're on www.mountainroseherbs.com, click on Bulk Ingredients, then click on Misc and scroll down to Vegetable Glycerin.  If you click on Learn More, you can view all the specifics.  Actually, now that I'm re-reading it, it says palm derived, so not necessarily coconut, but it's all part of the same family so regardless of the type of palm it would still have the same benefits, right?  They're selling 16 oz for $6.95 and a gallon for $33.  I bought a gallon for tincture-making before I had ever made or taken one, so I didn't really understand how little I needed (especially since I was making mine 1/2 glycerin 1/2 alcohol).  Ha! ha!  I'll probably have that gallon for a while.  But now with DS, once I get the bug to start making a bunch more I'll probably be doing all glycerin or 3/4 glycerin 1/4 alcohol.  WI Cheesehead- Weren't you looking into coconut-derived glycerin a while back?  I can't remember where from, though...  Oh, and ridgerunner (still off topic ;)) since I know you do a lot of tinctures, do you use dropper bottles and if so, where do you buy yours from?  That's the only thing I've ever bought from MRH that I've been unhappy with because I can only ever suck up about 1/3 dropper worth of liquid.  I'd love to get some droppers where I can suck up the whole dropper at once.  It would be soooo much easier.
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: ridgerunner June 05, 2009, 06:44:16 PM
Actually I get mine at Wal-Mart.  (I know -  :o)  In the pharmacy section you can get 2 droppers for around 2 dollars in a packet together.  They're glass too and have worked just fine for me.  :)  My local health food store sells them too, the same ones for about 3x the price.  ::)
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: WI Cheesehead June 08, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
The glycerin from both places was palm derived, but could have had some soy.  I finally said,"forget it."  I'm not worrying so much about it, as long as it wasn't corn derived (then you can have it on the candida diet for sweetening).  I never had a dropper bottle that sucked up very much.  I did make the homemade version of liquid stevia and put it in an empty dropper bottle I had.  But that you use drop by drop.  Well, we officially started the candida cleanse supplements.  This is our 2nd day.  I think it's going to be rough for Rachel, as she's the one that always gets sick anyways.  I got some advice from someone about the warts for my 6 yo.  She said to get Allibiotic.  It's a natural anti-fungal anti-biotic that she used for her kids.  She also said she believe that GSE kills the good bacteria too.  Has anyone heard anything about that?  I could look up a GSE thread, but I've done so much reading, I need to stay off the computer!

Mamatoto - sounds really tough!  I hope and pray you can get out on your own soon.
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: ridgerunner June 09, 2009, 04:03:43 AM
WI-C, which candida supplements are you using?  I recently added Yeast Assasin, and it's making me really sluggish.  More than usual, I'm taking tons of ginko and cayenne (way more than I usually have to) and also drinking a lot of coffee.  Before I started taking YA I pretty much had the fatigue under control, but it's a lot worse now.  Hopefully that means it's working.  I hope it works fast because I'm starting to have trouble driving again...
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: WI Cheesehead June 09, 2009, 08:14:29 AM
I'm using NOW brand Candida Cleanse and Swanson Vitamins probiotics.  We've only been on it for 2 1/2 days, and I feel no different.  My DD has a lot of complaints though, can't eat again, back/head hurt, tired off and on.  I guess she really needed it.  The funny thing is that we've been on the diet (kind of) since Easter, and recently a bunch of people asked me if I've lost weight.  I haven't, but apparently look like I have, LOL!  Did you read the die off thread?  It might help you to get some perspective on what's happening right now.  I know caffeine is supposed to be out, but in your situation (as in my DH's) you may still need it somewhat to function at work.  It seems a lot of people got some severe reactions after taking YA, that were die-off.
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: WI Cheesehead June 10, 2009, 03:40:19 AM
Well, the supplements must be working.  We've been on them for 4 days now and I woke up tired, stiff and dizzy (all symptoms I've had problems with).  My DD has had shooting pain in her side for the past 2 days.  I wasn't sure if it was this or something else, so called the dr.  She said, with cleansing, sometimes ou get gas, so make sure she has a bowel movement.  She said she did, but still had the pain.  So my DH gave her a couple of Tums and it helped!  I have to get her to the chiropractor today, if I can drive, as she has back pain again too.
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: ridgerunner June 10, 2009, 05:24:27 AM
My DD has had shooting pain in her side for the past 2 days.


I've had that too since I started taking YA.  I didn't have it before...  (Since Candida Clear and Yeast Assasin have the same ingredients I'm sure we're having the same reactions.)
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: orcuttranch June 10, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
She also said she believe that GSE kills the good bacteria too.  Has anyone heard anything about that?  I could look up a GSE thread, but I've done so much reading, I need to stay off the computer!


I've been on vacation and just got back, but before vacation, I was researching homemade household cleaners.  One of the threads did talk about GSE and the same thing was said about GSE - that it killed the good bacteria also.  It seems that the general school of thought on the household cleaner thread would be to use the GSE only for major cleaning - such as after a bout of stomach flu or something like that.  So maybe the same would apply - don't use it in general, but if you want to get rid of something like warts, maybe it would be good for a little while?  I haven't researched it in terms of warts, but I have one on my finger that I would like to get rid of - I'll have to look into it.

Mamatoto - I just read about your situation.  I will also pray for you that everything works out. 

Okay - I ate horrible on vacation (I'm not that surprised) and am paying for it now.  So, I have even more incentive to change my diet.  I was feeling great when I was off sugar and wasn't eating nearly as bad as normal.  Now, I've had a headache and felt horrible for the past 2 days (my punishment).  But I am a little nervous about all of this.  I feel like my time is already so taxed, that planning separate meals just doesn't sound that fun to me.  How do you all do it?  Is it as hard as I'm imagining or does the whole family just go on it together?  I'm going to have to read back through this thread to get some more ideas.  I just haven't had time yet.  I'm going to start really researching a lot more on the diet aspect (now that I have the basic information on the whole candida thing down).  Any suggestions would be great.
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: ridgerunner June 10, 2009, 10:46:51 AM
But I am a little nervous about all of this.  I feel like my time is already so taxed, that planning separate meals just doesn't sound that fun to me.  How do you all do it?


I don't plan seperate meals, I just plan to cook a meal of mostly things that I can eat on the diet (meat and veggies) with a side item for the rest of the family that I'll avoid. 
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: Elenita June 10, 2009, 11:43:29 AM
I had the similar kind of pain, but I did get it when I was on the diet for a while. It became better after a while. I didn't get it again, when I went on YA. I hope your daughter feels better soon.
 I'm really not sure if YA and TTU are working for me. It seems like it's not improving greatly. I
I did find out though that I shouldn't eat cheese. Only ate meat and vegetable for a while and my symptoms improved. Then, one night I ate quite a bit of Cheddar (is allowed on SCD-diet), but whow, did I feel it the next day. So, no more cheese for me.  :-[.

Mamatoto, I too will pray for your living-situation.

Orcuttranch, I actually try to same as ridgerunner, but it doesn't always work. The other day I made Lasagne for the rest, so I had to find something else for me, and sadly that happens quite often, especially for breakfast and supper (they're eating bread (whole wheat, but still...) and  cereals), so I make usually eggs for me in the morning, or a muffin I'm allowed to eat, and for supper I eat veggies.
The easiest are raw veggies like tomatoes, avocados, cucumbers,....
I hope you'll find something that will help you.
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: WI Cheesehead June 10, 2009, 12:56:05 PM
I kind of forced the whole family onto this diet.  Three of us are taking the supplements, one is too young (10) but really could use it bcz he's the sugar freak and the 6 yo just goes along for the ride, although he has the wart issues and it's getting worse!  They're starting on his other hand.  I'm trying Allibiotic (someone PM'd me about it).  She said they were small pills, so I hope I can get him to swallow them.  Haven't gotten them yet, though.  I made a big pot of baked beans today, with a little bit of sugar (ketchup and 1 T brown sugar) and added leftovers of ground beef with green beans.  We'll try it in a bit.  Hope it goes over.
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: Mamatoto June 10, 2009, 06:49:10 PM
Ridgerunner- I will definitely pray specifically that you will be able to drive safely while you are going through the tough part of the die-off phase.  How are you doing as far as cutting out/down on the extra starches?

Elenita- I hope you aren't feeling too discouraged that you aren't getting more die-off with your supplements.  I started on Garden of Life Fungal Defense, but couldn't go longer than 1 1/2 days because it left me completely incapacitated.  I could only crawl to the bathroom when I had to go.  Not good when you have a baby and a new business!  Thankfully I started them on the weekend!  Anyways...I switched to Candex and didn't have nearly the same problems.  And then when I was done with the Candex I went back to the Fungal Defense and didn't have problems.  All that to say that you may not feel like the supplements are working because your body is already doing a great job cleansing.  And different brands work differently on different people.  Unfortunately, it's probably not too easy just switching brands to see if something else works stronger :( But it still sounds like your body is heading in the right direction, even if it is moving slower than you would like it to.

Orcuttranch- Sorry to hear about your sugar reactions.  Don't forget how you feel right now the next time you want to cheat :P And best of luck with the menu planning.  I really applaud you all for doing this with families to cook for.  I can't imaging how challenging that would be.  It was time consuming enough for me to do with just me!

WI Cheesehead- Sounds like you definitely made the right call to wait until your daughter was out of school to do the cleanse.  Is your husband on the supplements?  How is he reacting?  Also, when I read one of your earlier posts I thought of something I had read that I thought I'd share.

She said, with cleansing, sometimes you get gas, so make sure she has a bowel movement.  She said she did, but still had the pain.  So my DH gave her a couple of Tums and it helped!

I'd be cautious about using Tums too frequently to help with any detox symptoms.  Allergy and Candida Cooking says about antacids:  "Antacids promote an acid-free environment in your digestive system, which encourages yeast growth.  Stomach distress may not be caused by excessive acid at all, but the opposite condition - too alkaline an environment.  An alkaline stomach does not provide the proper environment for digestion and therefore may allow undigested food particles to appear in your stool.  Repeated occurrences of this situation can lead to constipation, diarrhea and nutrient deficiency.  Pancreatic plant digestive enzymes or hydrochloric acid capsules may be recommended to aid in digestion as well as to combat yeast growth by returning your stomach to a proper acidic nature."  I'd hate for her to be taking too much of something that helps her immediate symptoms, but in the long run makes things worse.  Elsewhere in the book it recommends taking digestive plant-based enzymes before meals, and two hours after meals.  And it says the enzymes should include protease (to break down protein), lipase (to break down fat), amylase (to break down starch and other carbohydrates), lactase (to break down milk sugar), and alpha-galactosidase (to help prevent gas from forming).  Hopefully the pains will stop soon!!!  Sounds like she's having a really rough time of it :'(
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: orcuttranch June 12, 2009, 07:55:15 AM
Okay - I did some more research on sprouted grains.  I am copying some of it here.  Sorry it is kind of long.  But I do have some questions about it.

"Sprouted Flour and Gluten
Gluten is the protein of grain.  All grains have a percentage of gluten because all grains have protein.  When grains are sprouted the gluten index drops and may be easier for the body to digest as they are converted into a plant, and are no longer a starch.   

Although many people have been diagnosed with gluten sensitivities, gluten intolerances or celiac dis-ease, many diagnosed with gluten problems are more likely to be sensitive or intolerant to starch.  In general, they both exhibit the same symptoms of dis-ease.  Most people find gluten easy to digest, but when a body cannot properly digest gluten, serious health issues can result.  For those who are truly gluten intolerant, any amounts of foods containing gluten, including sprouted flour may still create a problem.  Many of our students had been diagnosed with starch sensitivities.  After embracing the Essential Eating path and spending some time cleansing their system from a starch-based diet, they were able to digest, without difficulty, sprouted flour products.  Why?  Sprouted flours digest as vegetables, using vegetable enzymes, not pancreatic enzymes which are less abundant in most bodies.

Because of the escalation of wheat-intolerant and gluten sensitive people in our culture, more and more wheat-free and gluten-free products are being marketed.  In particular, products containing spelt are becoming popular.  Spelt is a member of the same grain family as oats and wheat, but is a markedly different species. The popularity of spelt at the beginning of the century was replaced by modern wheat which was more suitable to high volume food production.

Many individuals with wheat and gluten sensitivities are able to consume sprouted spelt flour.  The protein in spelt contains a unique grouping of amino acids and less gluten than all other wheat varieties.  Spelt, nutty and mild in flavor, has a tough outer hull that allows it to grow into a more delicate water-soluble kernel.  This added benefit allows the nutrients to be more easily absorbed by the body during digestion.  As with other grains, for the spelt grain to be more easily digested, it needs to be sprouted.

Enzymatic Action of Sprouted Grain:
Turning Complex Carbohydrates into Simple Sugars
A kernel of grain given the right conditions of moisture content and proper sprouting temperature gets ready to germinate.  The germ cell of the grain which contains fat and protein creates enzymes and secretes them into the carbohydrate cell of the grain so the germ can eat the complex carbohydrates as a simple sugar.  This enzymatic action turns the grain or complex carbohydrate into a more digestible edible food―a simple sugar.  Now that the grain is a simple sugar it is considered a vegetable as simple sugars are vegetables.  The simple sugars created in this process produce the energy that enables the sprout to grow. 

Our proprietary sprouting process induces sprouting and then stops the enzymatic action when the complex carbohydrates have turned into simple sugars preserving the sprouted whole grain berry and keeping its baking integrity intact.  The sprouted berry is then dried, milled and sifted into sprouted whole grain flour.

A simple sugar is not table sugar which is a complex carbohydrate.  The body recognizes and metabolizes simple sugars, like vegetables, easily and does not need pancreatic enzymes to digest them.  On the other hand, when the body eats complex carbohydrates, even whole grains unsprouted, the pancreas must produce a fluid called pancreatin that contains many enzymes to break them down into simple sugars for the body to digest. These enzymes include amylase to digest carbohydrates, lipase to digest fats, and protease to digest protein. Most bodies do not have an abundance of these pancreatic enzymes and the pancreas may become exhausted and unable to properly digest and metabolize carbohydrates, fats and proteins which can cause many digestive disorders and related dis-eases.  How amazing it is that the sprouting process uses a similar process to turn a grain into simple sugars, just like the human body does.  That is why the enzymatic action of sprouted flour is so important in making it more easily digested than unsprouted flour.

Although the enzymes created to grow the sprout are cooked off during baking, the non-heat sensitive vitamins, minerals, protein (amino acids) and pre and probiotics are still intact and available for the body to absorb."

This was from http://www.essentialeating.com/ResourcesSprouted.asp

So - if we digest sprouted grains like vegetables and they digest like simple sugars, then would it be okay to eat them on an anti-candida diet?  It did say that there is still some gluten, but sounds like the gluten would not react the same way in our system as other flours?  Obviously, the best choice seems to be spelt flour based on this article (actually and another one that I read).  Just wondering about your thoughts on this.

My sister called me and asked me if I wanted to do a no-sugar thing with her.  I was planning on doing it again anyway, so it will be nice to have the extra encouragement. 

I am kind of glad, though that I had the reaction that I did to eating so badly.  I haven't really had much of an incentive to really try to change my eating habits because it's been so long since I've known what it is like to actually feel good.  I also noticed that I was so much more easily irritated since I started to eat sugar again.  I really don't like being a cranky mom and wife. 

I am thinking that I really just need to get the whole family on this.  My son is a sugar-aholic (well, they all are, but he's the worst), one of my daughters is always itching her crotch area, and I've seen other symptoms in the other kids off and on.  My husband just told me this morning that he has those cracks in the corners of his mouth again (which is another symptom of candida).  So we're going to start it next week (payday is Monday). 

Now I just need to get a grocery list figured out. :)
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: ridgerunner June 14, 2009, 03:31:09 PM
Made it until about 7:30pm with no sugar, then almost fainted while grocery shopping when blood sugar crashed.   :(  GOT to get some licorice root, I keep forgetting except when I'm crashing...  :P

Forgot to say: I went home and ate some potatoes (carbs=sugar) and my body quit trying to faint. *sigh*  Right now I'm having to eat some carbs or sugar at least once per day or I'll start to faint. (I've always had problems with fainting easily.)  Hopefully the licorice root will help that.  :-\
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: WI Cheesehead June 15, 2009, 09:11:18 AM
Instead of jam, I use 1 Tbs carob powder and some stevia to taste.  Choc/PB muffin!

Healthier PB & J 1 Minute Muffin

1/4 cup flax seed meal
2 teaspoons jam
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
2 tablespoons peanut butter (or almond butter)
1 egg
1 tablespoon butter
Directions
1Melt butter in a tall coffee mug. (I prefer to use a micowavable bowl because the mix overfills my smaller coffee mugs).
2Mix egg, flax seed meal, baking powder, peanutbutter and 1 tablespoon of jelly or jam. (Reserve 2nd tsp for topping).
3Cook for 1 minute 15 seconds in microwave and spread remaining teaspoon of jelly on top of the muffin.
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: ridgerunner June 15, 2009, 09:40:30 AM
Instead of jam, I use 1 Tbs carob powder and some stevia to taste.  Choc/PB muffin!

Healthier PB & J 1 Minute Muffin

1/4 cup flax seed meal
2 teaspoons jam
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
2 tablespoons peanut butter (or almond butter)
1 egg
1 tablespoon butter
Directions
1Melt butter in a tall coffee mug. (I prefer to use a micowavable bowl because the mix overfills my smaller coffee mugs).
2Mix egg, flax seed meal, baking powder, peanutbutter and 1 tablespoon of jelly or jam. (Reserve 2nd tsp for topping).
3Cook for 1 minute 15 seconds in microwave and spread remaining teaspoon of jelly on top of the muffin.


Oh my goodness, this looks so good I think I'm going to make one now!  Thanks WI-C!
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: WI Cheesehead June 16, 2009, 11:02:56 AM
It is good!  And my DD doesn't like it, of course!  >:(  Just wanted to let you all know it's my birthday today.  The big 40! LOL  My hubby is planning (I'm doing much of the work though!) a party for me at the end of the month.  Won't be diet friendly, but I'm trying to do what I can.  We're going to Applebee's for dinner.  We haven't been doing so well with the diet, at least we've been eating out a lot bcz of our schedule.  When we're home, we don't do too badly, but we're still not totally strict.  I'm not making my own ketchup or mayo!  I am making my own BBQ sauce, although I don't like it as much as my regular recipe.  And we usu. have one form of grain a day (sometimes mac 'n chz, sometimes tortillas).  I finally quit buying the tortilla chips.  I made about a lb or more of the beef jerky, and it was gone in less than 2 days.  What a pain in the @@@!  I realized I can't make more than one tray at a time, or it won't cook properly, so, between the marinating and the cooking, it takes forever.  Then disappears in a day?  We really have not much to snack on.  They like yogurt, but the 2 older ones wouldn't eat it homemade.  DD won't eat any of the muffins/cakes I posted.  When I get a chance, I'm going to make some muffins in the oven and freeze them, if they turn out.  I just tried this bread recipe with amaranth and I think it was a waste of ingredients.  I think I'm stuck with the Irish soda bread (much better than any other attempt) and might try adding a bit of stevia or maybe some more seasonings to give it better flavor.  At least that bread rose like normal and slices great.  This one....  :P
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: orcuttranch June 16, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
Well Happy Birthday, WI Cheesehead!!!  I just turned 31 on the 6th.  Amazing how 40 doesn't seem so old anymore!  ;D 

i agree - that recipe looks great and I am going to try using it for us, too.  I have almond meal - could I use that instead of the flax?

I totally know the feeling with the beef jerky.  And of course all my kids love it and even the toddler is starting to chew on it.  So with 7 of us eating it, it goes really fast.  I do two trays at a time and every couple of hours or so just switch the one from the top to the bottom.  That way, they tend to cook pretty uniformly.  But because it can be a time consumer, I definitely don't do it all the time.  Were you able to have the meat counter cut it into strips for you or did you have to do it?  That is the biggest time consumer for me.  Although I have found that if I have to cut it myself, if I put it in the freezer for about 1/2 hour before I start, it cuts much easier. 

Well, I went shopping last night and tomorrow is the big day (we had to eat some leftovers today)!  We are going on a candida cleanse - the whole family.  I'm not really fond of leaving my children too long without many carbs, so probably just a week for them and a little longer for hubby and me.  My oldest leaves for camp on Monday for a week, so she won't be on it very long, but she is also the one that really doesn't have any symptoms that I know of. 

I got the NOW brand Candida Clear (looks pretty similar to Yeast Assassin?) and some bromelain.  The lady printed off a paper for me about candida at the health food store.  We had planned on getting some digestive enzymes anyway and bromelain was listed that it could also help inhibit candida growth.  Anything extra will help!  Any thoughts on these? 

I also bought quinoa at the health food store and then found it at Trader Joes much cheaper - live and learn, I guess.  I'm anxious to try that. 

We had company show up unexpectedly this last weekend (I had 5 hours notice at least  :D) and she brought me a monkey bread mix.  So we made it for everyone - but I didn't eat a bite!  She didn't care - she thought it was great that I wasn't eating sugar.  Then my sister brought over rootbeer floats for everyone on Sunday.  That was hard to resist, but I didn't eat those either.

I found a recipe on another thread that used carob powder (I used baking chocolate), coconut oil and stevia and melted it all together and poured it on wax paper and put it in the freezer.  i made it and it needs some tweaking.  There weren't measurements.  The texture, though is just like a hershey bar.  But I think I used too much cocoa.  So if I can eat that every now and then, I should be happy.  ;D 

Can anyone tell me why carob and not cocoa?  or is it an allergy thing?  I remember when we were little, my mom was on a health food kick and she put carob chips in the cookies, etc.  Just wondering why and what is it made out of?
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: ShabbyChic June 16, 2009, 01:46:18 PM
Just started doing anti-candida again.  Tonight I grilled some chicken on the outdoor grill (with natural charcoal) and then shredded it.  I mixed in some cottage cheese (which stayed lumpy), fresh chopped basil and tomato chunks.  YUM!!!!
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: WI Cheesehead June 16, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
At least for the candida, cocoa has caffeine, which we're supposed to avoid.  So, the carob is better (no caffeine).  I guess it is a little sweeter than cocoa (by itself) so doesn't need as much sugar either.  That's as much as I know, though.  I think I saw that post about the coconut oil, carob, etc.  Haven't tried it.  I ran out of CO and the store has been out of it every time my friend tries to get it. :(  We've been eating popcorn fairly regularly.  Don't know if it's super bad, but we're running out of snack options!
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: ridgerunner June 17, 2009, 05:19:59 AM
Happy Birthday WI-C (late)!

I think I'm stuck with the Irish soda bread (much better than any other attempt) and might try adding a bit of stevia or maybe some more seasonings to give it better flavor. 


Did you post the recipe you used for your Irish Soda Bread?  I"m trying to find it but don't see it.  I saw other ones, but they used flour and I'm assuming yours didn't?

Shabby - your chicken concoction sounds good, I'll have to try that.  I've got some lemon basil growing, should be pretty tasty. :)
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: WI Cheesehead June 17, 2009, 05:38:35 AM
Here's my adjusted version.  I haven't tried the sugar yet, though.  If you need a baking mix, I think I posted it somewhere here too.  I used the 8" loaf pan and it rises nicely. 

Irish Soda BreadCooking Free

2 C gluten free baking mix
2 tsp white sugar
1 tsp xanthan gum (or 1 ½ tsp guar gum)
¾ tsp salt
½ tsp unflavored gelatin powder
1 tsp baking powder
½ tsp baking soda
1 egg or ¼ C soft silken tofu
1 C buttermilk or homemade kefir
2 T oil
1 T caraway seeds

Preheat oven to 350°.  Grease two 5 inch nonstick loaf pans or one 8-inch square nonstick baking pan.  Or one 8x4 inch loaf pan.

Combine dry ingredients in large mixer bowl and mix well. 

With mixer on low, add egg, buttermilk, oil and caraway seeds.  Blend on medium speed for 2 minutes.

Spoon into prepared pans, smoothing tops with wet spatula, if necessary.  Bake small pans for 45-50 minutes, large pan for 50-55 minutes, until top is deeply browned and loaf sounds hollow when tapped.
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: ridgerunner June 17, 2009, 09:16:19 AM
Thanks - I'll see if I can find the baking mix. 

I did try the PB&J Muffin the other day, it was pretty good!  I think it would be great with some cocoa, but I was out.  (As most of you know, I am not cutting out caffeine.) 
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: orcuttranch June 17, 2009, 09:59:07 AM
Yeah, I don't know that I can totally cut out caffeine either.  Although, I was a pretty good coffee drinker and slowly switched to tea.  I love it.  But I know the green teas and black teas still have caffeine. 

What about the GF?  If it is a gluten free flour, then does that mean it automatically doesn't have sugars and it is safe to eat?  I did just buy some almond meal and spelt flour.  I read that spelt is one of the lowest gluten flours - can't remember where, although more than likley it was here! :D

My MIL came to take the kids this morning up to her house for a little while.  I told the kids no hot chocolate (her favorite treat for them) and no dried cranberries (the other favorite treat).  She was a little dissapointed and asked if they could just have it now because she had already started the hot chocolate warming in the microwave.  I said fine, but she backed off really quickly and said that she wouldn't do it if it would mess things up.  I explained that I was limited on what I could do and had spent a certain amount of money on this and really wanted it to work.  So she was very understanding and said she would just drink it herself over the next few days at home.  Thank goodness for that.  If I'm only planning on being strict with the kids for a week, I want to really stick with it. 

So far, the hardest one has been the toddler.  She can't quite understand why she can't have a graham cracker or other snacky things.  Nuts are hard because she just chews them all up and then spits them on the floor.  She does love string cheese, but I don't want to plug her up either. 

We're planning on taco salad for lunch.  I use the term taco loosely.  Since now we can't have the beans or crunched up chips.  :-)  Then we're having ribs and veggies for dinner.

Okay - I tried the chocolate again.  I forgot to say it also has peppermint extract in it.  I didn't put in as much chocolate as last time and it was much better.  But I'm still getting this bitter aftertaste.  I am wondering if it is because when I add the stevia the liquid is still too hot?  I haven't had the bitter aftertaste before when I've used stevia in other things (even my hot tea).  Now the actual recipe from the other thread said liquid stevia and I only had powdered.  Could that be it?

Time to go home and make lunch!
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: WI Cheesehead June 17, 2009, 10:58:29 AM
Orcut - You can make liquid stevia by mixing 1 tsp pure stevia with 3 T water and keeping it in a dropper bottle.  Now, how much of that to use, I'm not sure!  Some recipes say, some don't.  I guess add it to taste.  I've been using it in our yogurt and a few other things.

RR - You can get carob and it is caffeine free.  It tastes pretty similar.  I used 1 T in the muffin.  I did notice that you had to use both tsps. of jam for the muffin to be sweet enough, without using the carob or adding stevia.

I just got Pomona's Universal Pectin and want to try making the jam with stevia again (last time was with "sugar free" pectin).  I have to get some organic berries first.

Oh, my goodness.  Earlier this morning I couldn't turn my neck to the side!  I went to the chiropractor and it really popped, but it hasn't gone away yet.  Maybe I'll put some heat on it tonight.  DD woke up not feeling well and slept until almost 2:30.
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: orcuttranch June 17, 2009, 03:24:26 PM
WI Cheesehead, you're so great with your recipes!  I tried the choc pb muffins tonight.  I used almond meal and actually doubled the recipe (except the egg) and made it in a glass 4 cup measuring cup.  All of the kids loved it.  You should have seen them all sitting around me with their mouths open!  It was like a flock of birds.  My husband walked in and said "Say Hip Hip Hooray for Mommy!"  I told them to say "Hip Hip Hooray to WI Cheesehead" and they all looked at me like I had lost my mind!  LOL

Today was okay, but a little rough.  My 8 year old (who has not taken a nap since she was 3 except maybe 5 times a year) actually asked if she could go lay down around 5:00 this evening.  She said she was so tired and felt like she was going to fall asleep.  I'm hoping that their bodies adjust soon. 

I made quinoa tonight.  The toddler especially loved that and I was glad because I was having a hard time with her eating today.  I always thought quinoa was pronounced kwin-o-uh.  So I was talking to my sister and she said, do you mean keen-wa?  At least I didn't go into the store asking for kwin-o-uh.  I just thought I'd give you all a good laugh.

Off to church!
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: WI Cheesehead June 17, 2009, 03:35:21 PM
WI Cheesehead, you're so great with your recipes!  I tried the choc pb muffins tonight.  I used almond meal and actually doubled the recipe (except the egg) and made it in a glass 4 cup measuring cup.  All of the kids loved it.  You should have seen them all sitting around me with their mouths open!  It was like a flock of birds.  My husband walked in and said "Say Hip Hip Hooray for Mommy!"  I told them to say "Hip Hip Hooray to WI Cheesehead" and they all looked at me like I had lost my mind!  LOL

Today was okay, but a little rough.  My 8 year old (who has not taken a nap since she was 3 except maybe 5 times a year) actually asked if she could go lay down around 5:00 this evening.  She said she was so tired and felt like she was going to fall asleep.  I'm hoping that their bodies adjust soon. 

I made quinoa tonight.  The toddler especially loved that and I was glad because I was having a hard time with her eating today.  I always thought quinoa was pronounced kwin-o-uh.  So I was talking to my sister and she said, do you mean keen-wa?  At least I didn't go into the store asking for kwin-o-uh.  I just thought I'd give you all a good laugh.

Off to church!

You gave me a good laugh!  Thanks for the accolade.  ;)  And for the idea.  I'll have to try the 4 cup idea and maybe my DD will try it (less egg?)  Her pickiness drives me nuts!  I knew how to say quinoa, but never knew how to say kefir, since everyone says it so differently.  There's an on-line encyclopedia somewhere that will pronounce the words for you.  I clicked on kefir and found it pronounced ke (short e) feer (accent on the 2nd syllable).  That's not how I was saying it.  Now when I talke to people about it, they give me blank looks and say, "Oh, you mean kee-fir" or something. LOL  Actually, my friend with German parents said it correctly, even with the rolling r.

This isn't candida related, but it's an awesome article on natural/homemade facial care.  Check out the related articles at the bottom too.

http://deliciouslivingmag.com/beauty/1001-kitchen-skin-care/index.html
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: Mamatoto June 17, 2009, 07:20:54 PM
Well, I'm coming back sooner than I hoped.  Whole Foods opened a beautiful new store in my neighborhood this week, and last Thursday I went to a pre-opening tour where they sampled pretty much the entire store...including 10 different kinds of gelato.  I tried everything they offered me, including 3 cups of gelato, and by the end of the day DS had an icky runny nose that is only getting worse.  By the next morning, I was congested and the yeast infection in my nipple started hurting again.  Today I woke up with a plugged duct in the same breast, but the yeast infection hurt so bad that I was crying at the office today when he was nursing on that side.  And because of the plugged duct, I have to offer him that side so that he can suck out the plug :'( :'( It was so bad I rummaged through my closet and found a tube of nystatin cream that I got when DS was 3 weeks old and we were facing thrush, nipple yeast infections, mastitis, and colic all at the same time.  I can't believe I am resorting to that, but I don't think my breasts have been this sore since the first month after his birth.  I'm not sure what I'm going to do or how I'm going to do it.  But obviously this needs to get taken care of NOW, regardless of how hard it is going to be logistically.  I decided to give myself 2 weeks to plan, cook, freeze, etc. and start again on the 1st. 

Oh, about the spelt flour: spelt and kamut are close relatives to wheat.  The high gluten grains are wheat, spelt, kamut, barley, and rye.  So if you're cutting out gluten in general or wheat in particular, you should probably cut out spelt.  Sorry!!!  The problem with gluten is that it turns to glucose really quickly.  In most of the plans, you can eat gluten free grains (like millet, brown rice, wild rice, and oats) and alternative grains (like quinoa, amaranth, and buckwheat) in limited amounts.  According to my book, all grains have some gluten in them.  And because they are starches they have some natural sugars, but they are broken down into sugars much slower so the body can use them as energy without feeding the yeast.  (Or something like that! ;D)

And a belated happy birthday, WI Cheesehead!!!
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: ridgerunner June 18, 2009, 04:10:56 AM
RR - You can get carob and it is caffeine free.  It tastes pretty similar.  I used 1 T in the muffin.  I did notice that you had to use both tsps. of jam for the muffin to be sweet enough, without using the carob or adding stevia.

Actually I didn't use any jam - I drizzled about 1/2 a tbsp of raw honey over it when it was done and ate it that way.  It was good!  Yes I know honey is sugar, but since I'm having blood sugar crashing issues and have to have some type of sugar every day right now, I just made that my sugar serving.  Hoping to get some licorice root soon.

It's hard for me to get some of the cool stuff you guys use (carob, amaranth, etc.) but as soon as I can I want to try it out. :) 
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: orcuttranch June 18, 2009, 08:58:13 AM

Oh, about the spelt flour: spelt and kamut are close relatives to wheat.  The high gluten grains are wheat, spelt, kamut, barley, and rye.  So if you're cutting out gluten in general or wheat in particular, you should probably cut out spelt.  Sorry!!!  The problem with gluten is that it turns to glucose really quickly.  In most of the plans, you can eat gluten free grains (like millet, brown rice, wild rice, and oats) and alternative grains (like quinoa, amaranth, and buckwheat) in limited amounts.  According to my book, all grains have some gluten in them.  And because they are starches they have some natural sugars, but they are broken down into sugars much slower so the body can use them as energy without feeding the yeast.  (Or something like that! ;D)


Check out this site http://www.hildegardhealth.com/FRAMES/html_content/what_is_spelt.html

It does specifically say that spelt is a low-gluten flour and I actually found three other sites when researching really quickly that said the same thing.  I know that it has some gluten, but then again on the thread foods to eat while fighting candida gives about 25 carbs a day.  So I figure it is the better of the not usually permitted.  :)  I haven't actually used it yet, though either. I was under the impression, too that they're supposed to be limited still.  Maybe I'm wrong on the reason gluten isn't permitted.  I thought gluten broke down into sugars in the body and that would feed yeast?  Is that right?

I'm having a hard time though.  Today - have a massive headache.  Took Advil - yes I know not that great, but I'm just getting into all this health stuff and don't have an alternative right now.  The kids all woke up tired.  Not normal for them at all.  I don't blame them, though - I feel tired myself.  My 2 1/2 year old has been crying and whining all morning.  Keeps asking for "crunch" (Kashi Go Lean Crunch) and milk.  Every little thing sets her off into a crying and whining fit (also not normal for her).  Last night, we found her with the box of cereal in her bed.  She keeps trying to get to anything that she isn't supposed to have.  It's probably just withdrawal, but how do you know that they're getting enough calories?  We don't really eat a lot of sugar in the form of candy and even our cereals have never been Lucky Charms types.  Go Lean Crunch and Trail Mix Crunch - things like that.  I guess they all still have more power than I've given them credit for.

Last night, we had ribs, quinoa and broccoli for dinner.  After dinner we had the choc/pb muffin (a few bites for everyone).  For snacks, I gave them string cheese and nuts in the morning, and 24 hours yogurt with the Bio-K for afternoon snack.  Lunch was taco salad.  Breakfast was eggs and cheese.  Is it enough?  Is it just withdrawal?

This morning I did give them a piece of sprouted grain sourdough toast with butter along with their eggs.  I felt horrible for them and the carbs in it are only 15.  Not great, but not as bad as regular bread.  My oldest daughter is really really skinny (just her body type), so I don't want to overdo it with her especially.  This is just much harder to know how to respond than I realized.

Ha-Ha!  I came in last night from church (hubby got home late from work and didn't make it to church) and found a Dr. Pepper can on the side of the couch (empty of course).  I looked at my husband and he gave me the  ::) look and then said, "good thing I'm starting this whole thing tomorrow."   ;D  Poor guy - I don't blame him, though.  He's been working on an electrical outage in our park and has been digging and pulling wire for the last three days.  So I don't know that low carb is what he needs right now anyway. 

WI Cheesehead - thanks for the link about face care.  I actually have not been able to find the lotion that I normally use on my face, so decided to try a generic version of s