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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Candida & Leaky Gut => : YoopreMama October 02, 2008, 01:35:22 PM

: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 02, 2008, 01:35:22 PM
From the thread on Fighting Candida while Nursing/PG:

Hey I don't have time to leaf through the 5 pages here, but I successfully did a yeast/candida cleanse while breastfeeding.  We were both fine.  Here's what I did:

For 40 days I ate brown rice and vegetables only.  Nothing else.  (You could eat nuts too, but I was doing it for the sake of staving off a nut allergy so none for me.)  I got creative with the spices, and I grilled them to help change it up a little.  Dipping them in tahini and other home made sauces, etc.

I took Candida Cleanse tablets, probiotics, cloves, garlic, pumpkin oil, coconut oil, black strap molasses and Cod liver oil every day.  And I slathered everything in as much real butter as possible.  It's important to keep the fats high when you're breastfeeding, and the molasses help with minerals and iron.

I had success, and the baby and I are great.  She's VERY healthy.   :D

There are rice breads, and if you don't want to cut sugar completely, I'd just try to do the least amount of sugar possible, and keep it to natural sugars like grains and fruits and not added sugars.

That is amazing, Shabby...I am so inspired.  Did you get the idea from a specific plan?  Was it to counter the nut thing or to kill yeast?  Or both?

No milk?  No meat?  I could cut out bread, but raw milk/yogurt?   :'(

Did you make any soups w/ the rice and veggies?

I'd love to see a brief menu plan...thinking, thinking...

What was in the Candida Cleanse tablets?

Did you get the idea from a specific plan?
I got the idea from a holistic practitioner and it is basically the first stage of the Maker's Diet minus the nuts.

Was it to counter the nut thing or to kill yeast?  Or both?
The holistic friend was certain that the yeast I carried and passed to my daughter was the root of the nut allergy.  She said the the mold from the nuts (and all legumes have this) was the issue.  So killing the yeast eliminated the allergy.

No milk?
No!  I DIED once!   ;D  No sugar of any kind, even lactose.  It was brutal.

No meat?
I did eat meat.  Chicken.  I would have eaten fish if it'd been in the budget, and I may have, but I don't remember it... and I'd have eaten red meat if we were red meat eaters.

I could cut out bread, but raw milk/yogurt?
Yes, cutting the raw milk/yoghurt was VERY hard.  And no CHEESE!  It was torture.

Did you make any soups w/ the rice and veggies?
Yes, but it was sad soup since I couldn't use any beans (legumes).  Mostly broth, chicken and veggies.  And there was a veggie broth, too.

I'd love to see a brief menu plan
Well there was a lot of raw veggies in vinegar/oil.
There were rice crackers with tomatoes and basil.
There was chicken broth with brown rice, celery and carrots.
There were rice tortilla chips with salsa.
There were rice and veggie "patties" like burgers sans the bun.
There were a LOT of eggs and southwestern omelette's.
There were A LOT of sauteed veggies and brown rice in the Wok.  Very heavy on the butter, and creative to change the spices from night to night.
That's all I remember.

Thanks for the quick reply, Shabby...you crack me up.  I will prepare to die over milk next week.   :D

Things you can do to knock out yeast while pregnant or nursing:

Stop eating sugars and yeasts.

Eat yogurt and kefir. ETA: I'll be omitting these.   :'(

Take a good probiotic.

Eat a clove of garlic once or twice a day.

Drink Aloe juice/gel.

OK.  So I want to do this.   ;D

No milk/products ('cept beautiful butter).   :'(
No breads.
I think I'll skip the legumes, too.
Will do meat and eggs.
What about CORN, Shabby?  You ate a lot of rice products...what about corn chips?  Popcorn? 
Also, what about the sugars in molasses?  Minor?
And what about calcium for baby? 

Gotta' stock up on other stuff. 

Anyone else game?  I want to start a week from tomorrow...the 10th...done by Thanksgiving.  ;)
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: herbalmom October 02, 2008, 01:48:52 PM
If the point is to avoid food with traces of mold in it, corn would be a no-no. Corn is actually a grain, not a veggie & is always has traces of mold in it. That's also the reason for avoiding wheat & the other grains except rice- wheat, etc tend to also have a lot of mold contamination. Read Doug Kaufmann's Fungus Link books (1,2 & 3) for info on this. Besides, corn is high carb & feeds yeast. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 02, 2008, 01:53:47 PM
Thanks.  I think, Herbalmom! 

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

I didn't know corn was a grain. 

Any other points to consider...potential sources of carbs/mold...deficiencies?

P.S.  Where does that leave potatoes?  Or should I ask... ::)
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: herbalmom October 02, 2008, 02:28:26 PM
Well, my guess is that potatoes are too high carb for this. Sorry.

Looks like brown rice is probably it for grains. 

I do wonder though if Quiona & Amaranth would be allowed? They are both part of the Beet/Spinach family; not related to wheat, corn, etc.; are high in protein & lower in carb; alkalizing & easy to digest. I know they are allowed on the Body Ecology diet so maybe?

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: hi_itsgwen October 02, 2008, 02:37:47 PM
I think the black strap molasses is a good source of calcium.  And brocolli as well...and maybe other veggies too?

The quiona is really yummy.  One Mama at our church makes a 'pasta salad' style quiona with an italian dressing that is so good!

So, forevergirl says to eat yogurt and kefir?  Don't the kefir grains feed off of the milk sugars? 

I'll have to pass on doing this with you...I love my moldy, sugary, starchy, dairy foods too much ;D  But I'll cheer 'ya on!

~Gwen
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 02, 2008, 03:04:59 PM
not pregnant here, but would love some support.  i have been low carb for 8 months in attempt to kill yeast and heal my leaky gut.  it just was not working because i was eating things i am allergic to because they were low carb.  (meat, cheese, etc.)  so now i am going to try again without eating beef, cheese, dairy, & eggs.  also, no fruit and all the things you guys are talking about.  so what is the deal with brown rice?  it always seems like it makes my yeast related symptoms flare up.  anyone know for sure on the millet and quinoa?  so count me in, and i am making a list of foods i can eat, so i will have something to refer to when i'm hungry.  i was eating a lot of eggs especially for breakfast, they are filling and work great when you can't have cereal, granola, toast, etc.   don't know what in the world i will eat.  sausage i guess.   :-\  i will be watching for more ideas. 
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 02, 2008, 04:00:38 PM
Well, my guess is that potatoes are too high carb for this. Sorry.

Looks like brown rice is probably it for grains. 

I do wonder though if Quinoa & Amaranth would be allowed? They are both part of the Beet/Spinach family; not related to wheat, corn, etc.; are high in protein & lower in carb; alkalizing & easy to digest. I know they are allowed on the Body Ecology diet so maybe?

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
OK.  I can do this.  If I did the Master Cleanse for 18 days, I can eat good food for 40.  ;D

Thanks for the lead on quinoa and amaranth...have quinoa...
I think the black strap molasses is a good source of calcium.  And brocolli as well...and maybe other veggies too?

The quinoa is really yummy.  One Mama at our church makes a 'pasta salad' style quinoa with an italian dressing that is so good!

So, forevergirl says to eat yogurt and kefir?  Don't the kefir grains feed off of the milk sugars? 

I'll have to pass on doing this with you...I love my moldy, sugary, starchy, dairy foods too much ;D  But I'll cheer 'ya on!

~Gwen
Ah Gwen, thanks for the reminders on molasses and broccoli being calcium sources...and other leafies that I'm about to get familiar with.  :D  I appreciate the idea on the quinoa salad, too--that sounds yummy!  Shabby, did you use any brown rice pasta, per chance?  ;D

I'll be skipping the yogurt and kefir (wah!), and taking probiotics in capsule form.

Thanks for the support, even though you won't join me.  ;)  I tire of the eczema so I'm quite motivated to kill this once and for all.   >:(

not pregnant here, but would love some support.  i have been low carb for 8 months in attempt to kill yeast and heal my leaky gut.  it just was not working because i was eating things i am allergic to because they were low carb.  (meat, cheese, etc.)  so now i am going to try again without eating beef, cheese, dairy, & eggs.  also, no fruit and all the things you guys are talking about.  so what is the deal with brown rice?  it always seems like it makes my yeast related symptoms flare up.  anyone know for sure on the millet and quinoa?  so count me in, and i am making a list of foods i can eat, so i will have something to refer to when i'm hungry.  i was eating a lot of eggs especially for breakfast, they are filling and work great when you can't have cereal, granola, toast, etc.   don't know what in the world i will eat.  sausage i guess.   :-\  i will be watching for more ideas. 
Welcome aboard, 4myhoonie!  I've been following your low carb saga w/ admiration.  You are so devoted!  I'm glad you have you doing this, too.   :-*

I'm pretty sure millet is safe.  I love it as a hot creamy cereal (w/ milk and honey of course).   ::)  Not sure why brown rice makes you flare up?  What do you eat it w/?
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 02, 2008, 04:13:33 PM
Shabby, did you use any brown rice pasta, per chance?  ;D

I'll be skipping the yogurt and kefir (wah!), and taking probiotics in capsule form.  me too..............

Thanks for the support, even though you won't join me.  ;)  I tire of the eczema so I'm quite motivated to kill this once and for all.   >:( 

not pregnant here, but would love some support.  i have been low carb for 8 months in attempt to kill yeast and heal my leaky gut.  it just was not working because i was eating things i am allergic to because they were low carb.  (meat, cheese, etc.)  so now i am going to try again without eating beef, cheese, dairy, & eggs.  also, no fruit and all the things you guys are talking about.  so what is the deal with brown rice?  it always seems like it makes my yeast related symptoms flare up.  anyone know for sure on the millet and quinoa?  so count me in, and i am making a list of foods i can eat, so i will have something to refer to when i'm hungry.  i was eating a lot of eggs especially for breakfast, they are filling and work great when you can't have cereal, granola, toast, etc.   don't know what in the world i will eat.  sausage i guess.   :-\  i will be watching for more ideas. 
Welcome aboard, 4myhoonie!  I've been following your low carb saga w/ admiration.  You are so devoted!  I'm glad you have you doing this, too.   :-*  thank you!!  i've been feeling kinda lonely, like i was the only one!  now i have company!      ;D

I'm pretty sure millet is safe.  I love it as a hot creamy cereal (w/ milk and honey of course).   ::)  Not sure why brown rice makes you flare up?  What do you eat it w/?


well, i'm not exactly sure why, i would noramlly eat it with some stir fry, but also in chicken soup. 

so i guess i will add millet to my list and go dig it out of my freezer!  i think i will go really low carb from now til sunday, and then add millet and maybe the brown rice.  i still can't figure out why brown rice is ok?  i do have some brown rice pasta in case you gals figure out if that's doable.  looking forward to healing.....
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 03, 2008, 02:49:15 AM
well, i'm not exactly sure why, i would normally eat it with some stir fry, but also in chicken soup. 

so i guess i will add millet to my list and go dig it out of my freezer!  i think i will go really low carb from now til sunday, and then add millet and maybe the brown rice.  i still can't figure out why brown rice is ok?  i do have some brown rice pasta in case you gals figure out if that's doable.  looking forward to healing.....
I'm going to start decreasing the carbs, too.  I'm waiting 'til Friday to start officially, b/c we have a birthday Sunday, and school will be a bit more intense starting Monday.  That will give me Fri-Sun w/ the worst (I think) of the withdrawal effects...DH will be home to help.   ;D

I'm hoping some others will join in, too, 4myhoonie.  :)  We can always extend personal invitations... :D

Some other questions:
Cloves--were these just swallowed whole?  The kind you put in oranges at Christmas? 

Pumpkin oil?  From where?  How about the seeds?

How about seeds, in general?  OK?

Blood purifiers teas?  Dandelion, burdock, yellow dock? 

Olive oil?

I plan to start peeling garlic cloves for swallowing. 

In checking out millet...it looks OK in small amounts.  Found this interesting diet plan...w/ 3 "menus" for increasing severity of candida:
http://candidapage.com/candiet.txt

Here's menu 3 for the most severe cases:

"The Nutrition Detective" by Nan Fuchs, Ph.D., Dist. by St. Martin's
Press, 1985.  ISBN 0-87477-350-4       (pp. 125-129)
***************************************************

Candida Diet No. 3:  Severe
*******************

Some people are debilitated by Candida and cannot function at work or can
barely get through the day. If you were exposed to high levels of
antibiotics as a child, or if you have had severe symptoms for more than four
years, go directly to this diet.
If your symptoms did not clear up with Diet
No. 2, advance to this one until they diminish.

Foods to Eliminate
*************
Sugar in all forms, including honey, except occasional whole fresh fruit.
Fungus, molds, and yeast in all forms, including vitamins and minerals.
Most B vitamins (unless label states otherwise).
Most breads and commercial baked goods.
All alcoholic beverages.
Mushrooms.
Vinegar and all foods containing vinegar, including salad dressing,
          sauerkraut, green olives, pickled vegetables, and relishes.
Some crackers (read labels carefully for yeast ingredients).
Fermented products including soy sauce (tamari) and tofu.
Dry roasted nuts.
Barbecued potato chips.
Most commercial soups.
Apple cider and natural root beer.
White flour.
Bacon and other pork, which often contain molds.
Dried meat and smoked meat, fish of poultry, including sausage,
       hot dogs, luncheon meats, smoked turkey, and smoked salmon.
Nuts and seeds, which may contain mold.
All grains, except a little rice and millet.

Herb teas and spices (which may contain mold).
Wheat, oats, rye and barley, which contain gluten and can feed Candida.
Fruit and diluted fruit juices, high in fructose (fruit sugar).

Foods You Can Eat -- YEAH!! -- Here we go!
**********************************
Eggs, fish, chicken, turkey, seafood, lamb, or veal, sauteed in a little
       butter or safflower oil or baked with vegetables.
Steamed, sauteed, or baked vegetables, especially onions, garlic,
       cabbage, broccoli, turnips, and kale.  All vegetables are fine
       except potatoes and corn, which are high in carbohydrates.

Sauteed vegetables with eggs on rice cakes, or a vegetable omelet.
Salads seasoned with safflower oil and a little fresh lemon juice.
Gazpacho, tomato-based fish chowder, vegetable soup, chicken or
       lamb stew.
Small quantities of rice and millet.  A cold rice salad with steamed
       vegetables, seasoned with oil and lemon juice; sauteed rice with
       shrimp, chicken, and vegetables, or simply steamed vegetables
       with either grain are a few ideas that will work on this program.
       Rice cakes, found in some supermarkets and health food stores,
       can be used instead of bread.
Vegetable sticks with guacamole dip (avocado, fresh tomatoes, onions,
       lemon juice, and a little salt) for a snack.

Supplements for Candida Diet No. 3
*************************

Yeast-free multi-vitamin/mineral.
Digestive enzymes with pancreatin after meals and before bed.
1000 milligrams vitamin C an hour (up to 10 grams/day) for immune
       system.
Acidophilus in large quantities (some brands, Ultradophilus, Maxidophilus,
       and so on have approx. 2 billion organisms per gram) to repopulate the
intestinal bacteria.  Take 1/2 teaspoon morning and evening on an empty
       stomach.
2 Teaspoons olive oil with 2 teaspoons oat bran, three times a day, to help
       keep fungus from crossing the intestinal barrier.
100 micrograms selenium three times a day, for immune system.
400 iu dry vitamin E two times a day for immune system.
20,000 iu beta carotene, for immune system
Pau D'Arco tea (taheebo tea), an herb tea from South America, which
       kills fungus, one cup three times a day.
Candex to improve immune response and eliminate the fungus.
Nystatin in powder form, available by medical prescription.

As soon as you are free from symptoms, begin reintroducing a few foods
slowly.  The last ones to add would be yeast, vinegar, and mushrooms.*  It
may be necessary for you to stay on the Candida Albicans Diet for a number of
months.  Doctors report a year or more is not unusual, but Fuchs has found by
combining supplements with diet, it is often possible to go back to the
Anti-Illness Diet more quickly.  The more thoroughly you are able to stay on
these diets, the faster you can eliminate excess Candida.  However, it is
better to be on a modified diet than on no diet at all.  Some patients would
rather eat sugar or have a glass of wine occasionally even though it may mean
being on the diet for a longer period of time.
__________
*  Note that some people are allergic to these as well as other foods.  Those      allergies may still be present after cleansing with Candida Diet.

Some things to consider...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: denisew October 03, 2008, 03:53:16 AM
OK, so maybe I shouldn't post this here, though I am nursing and I have been thinking about doing something like this for a long time.  I am just lately getting very depressed that I am calling the baby blues.  My boy is almost 8 mo. old, so maybe it's not that.  Could doing this cleanse help with this problem?  I have really been craving the sugar lately and have not been eating that great.  So question.... my 10 yr old is allergic to soy, corn, all tree nuts & peanuts......AND MOLD!  So could these food allergies all be related to the mold?  I should be putting him on this diet too shouldn't I?  I have 5 boys and I think all of us would benefit from doing this.  We did a semi-low carb diet when I was trying to figure out what caused boy #4 eczema (dairy) so we already try to limit the dairy.  This is all so interesting to me.  It's like putting together a puzzle....
Denise in AL
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 03, 2008, 03:58:50 AM
couldn't find the millet, but do have some quinoa, didn't see that listed.  will probably use it and the brown rice in teeny tiny amounts.  had 2 sausages and plain black coffee this am.  and a big glass of water with my pile of pills.  :P  i am staying on what i have been taking which is:

6-8 acidophilus per day
1 or 2 primal defense ultra
4 candida clear
6 garlic softgels
3 aloe vera
1 1000 mg. l glutamine
6 CLO
1 omega 3-6-9 (more than that was causing nausea, so i cut back to 1 and will go up slowly)
2 NOW Eco Multi vitamin

i take the probiotics before meals and the others after.  they are split into 3 meals and 1 right before bed dose.  if you gals think something else would be beneficial to add, i am open to suggestions.  i got most of this regimen from HB, and added the garlic myself.  
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 03, 2008, 05:12:35 AM
OK, so maybe I shouldn't post this here, though I am nursing and I have been thinking about doing something like this for a long time.  I am just lately getting very depressed that I am calling the baby blues.  My boy is almost 8 mo. old, so maybe it's not that.  Could doing this cleanse help with this problem?  I have really been craving the sugar lately and have not been eating that great.  So question.... my 10 yr old is allergic to soy, corn, all tree nuts & peanuts......AND MOLD!  So could these food allergies all be related to the mold?  I should be putting him on this diet too shouldn't I?  I have 5 boys and I think all of us would benefit from doing this.  We did a semi-low carb diet when I was trying to figure out what caused boy #4 eczema (dairy) so we already try to limit the dairy.  This is all so interesting to me.  It's like putting together a puzzle....
Denise in AL
Welcome!  :)
I think that the cleanse would help w/ mood, for sure.  Even upping your essential fatty acids...and I agree that the mold could be the real culprit.  Some other moms here have that going on w/ children...abbilynn, I think is one.  ;)

couldn't find the millet, but do have some quinoa, didn't see that listed.  will probably use it and the brown rice in teeny tiny amounts.  had 2 sausages and plain black coffee this am.  and a big glass of water with my pile of pills.  :P  i am staying on what i have been taking which is:

6-8 acidophilus per day
1 or 2 primal defense ultra
4 candida clear
6 garlic softgels
3 aloe vera
1 1000 mg. l glutamine
6 CLO
1 omega 3-6-9 (more than that was causing nausea, so i cut back to 1 and will go up slowly)
2 NOW Eco Multi vitamin

i take the probiotics before meals and the others after.  they are split into 3 meals and 1 right before bed dose.  if you gals think something else would be beneficial to add, i am open to suggestions.  i got most of this regimen from HB, and added the garlic myself.  
That looks like a good list!

What's in the candida clear?

Why l-glutamine?

I need to find some aloe vera, and we have liquid Nystatin...I wonder if that would be OK instead of the powder.

Looking for dig. enzymes w/ lipase and pancreatin.

What do we think of the olive oil/oat bran suggestion?
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 03, 2008, 06:08:14 AM
What's in the candida clear?  it's the same as yeast assassin, not ok for nursing/pregnancy.

Why l-glutamine? to heal the gut lining i think

I need to find some aloe vera, and we have liquid Nystatin...I wonder if that would be OK instead of the powder.  is Nystatin ok for nursing? and how did you manage to get that???

Looking for dig. enzymes w/ lipase and pancreatin.  i have NOW super enzymes with 3,400 USP units of LIpase and it says that the pancreatin is 200 mg which includes amylase, protease, & Lipase.

What do we think of the olive oil/oat bran suggestion?  not sure yet.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 03, 2008, 06:53:28 AM
I need to find some aloe vera, and we have liquid Nystatin...I wonder if that would be OK instead of the powder.  is Nystatin ok for nursing? and how did you manage to get that??? Um...a relative had Chrohn's and gets it prescribed often for thrush.  Not sure about while nursing.  Good question.

Looking for dig. enzymes w/ lipase and pancreatin.  i have NOW super enzymes with 3,400 USP units of LIpase and it says that the pancreatin is 200 mg which includes amylase, protease, & Lipase. I've had those before...

What do we think of the olive oil/oat bran suggestion?   not sure yet. Me, too.

What about milk thistle?
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: ShabbyChic October 03, 2008, 10:49:32 AM
Wow.  So many replies since last night!  Okay, I'll attempt to answer them.  I went to a friend's house and made a TON of herbal capsules all in one day, except for the garlic because it's fresh and wet and I had to make those each day.  I took:

milk thistle (that I bought from Bulk Herb Store and made into capsules),
clove (ground, not whole because they'd be too dense to absorb, and I made into capsules)
garlic (fresh ground and I made into capsules, daily because they melt the gelatin caps)
diatomaceous earth from BHS and I made into capsules
fenugreek (from BHS and I made into capsules, for blood purifyer)
horsetail shavegrass (from BHS and I made into capsules)
pumpkin oil capsules (from vitacost.com)
pumpkin oil (on salads) from vitacost.com
Candida Cleanse (Rainbow Light brand from vitacost.com)
Natures Secret ParaStroy (from vitacost.com)
NSI 15-35 probiotic (from vitacost.com)
1 Tablespoon of Coconut oil
1 Tablespoon of cod liver oil
1 Tablespoon of Hot Tonic and 1T of Braggs ACV

I felt that because I was cleansing I needed the best probiotics, especially since I wasn't doing any cultured kefir because of the milk sugars.

I take 1 T of black strap molasses now, but I didn't take them while I was fasting because of the sugar.

Because I was breastfeeding I wanted to make sure that I had LOTS of good fat, so the Coconut oil and cod liver oil and all the butter was helpful.

I didn't take calcium because I was eating SO many vegetables.  Boy did I miss fruit...

Corn is a carbohydrate (sugar... grain...) so none of that.  Potatoes are, too, so only sweet potatoes (a tuber) and those in moderation.

Yes, I did make and eat pre-made brown rice pasta.  Smothered in butter, of course.

And my husband reminded me that I didn't eat hummus until after the fast, even though I mentioned it above as tahini.

Seeds are fine, especially pumpkin

I didn't do any teas, but they'd have been good.  The ParaStroy has black walnut, so I didn't do any of that because I didn't want to overwhelm my liver.  You also want to drink TONS AND TONS of water to help your kidneys.  I also drank the juice and pulp of one lemon each day to help my gallbladder not get overwhelmed.  (You can see above that I also too milk thistle, fenugreek, vinegar and horsetail to help.)

I didn't ever pass any stones or sludge, but my poop went from fluffy/round to flat/square.  I attribute this to no gluten.  I also lost 3 lbs. of what I think was just intestinal gunk.

I didn't use any olive oil except on salads/dips.

I took Cipro (antibiotics) like they were tic-tacs when I was a kid.  I'm sure that all the anti-biotics screwed up my good flora because I've always eated a lot of yoghurt my whole life.

Yes, this was very much like a puzzle for me too, DeniseW.  I've suffered from depression since adolescence as a result of a thyroid problem which is a result of the yeast/candida.  I've felt SO MUCH RELIEF from that since fasting.  Not during the fast.  During the fast I was horrid-- the worst I've ever felt.  I imagine getting off yeast and starving it was like quitting smoking or drugs.  I went through awful withdrawal.

My eczema and seasonal allergies as well as pet allergies are almost completely gone!  I can mow the grass for the first time in my whole life... and I don't even use a mask!  My skin used to break open and bleed, but not now.

All the oils are for your brain, and to help heal your gut from the parasite and yeast overgrowth.

---------------

Now that the cleanse is over, I drink broth one day a week and I still take the coconut oil, molasses, and cod liver oil and probiotics every day to stave off regrowth.

I also take hot tonic, vinegar and molasses every other day or more as needed.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: ShabbyChic October 03, 2008, 11:17:10 AM
For a sample menu of a day:

Breakfast:
2 scrambled eggs with garlic and cayenne pepper
(Size AA pills) 2 of garlic, one diatomaceous earth, one cloves, one milk thistle, one tummy tune up, one fenugreek, one horsetail shavegrass, and one Rainbow Light Candida Cleanse
One tablespoon coconut oil
One teaspoon cod liver oil
One tablespoon Braggs raw apple cider vinegar
One tablespoon tonic (hot juice)

Lunch:
rice, yellow and green squash, and TONS of butter

Dinner:
a giant salad with spinach leaves, carrots, chicken, cucumber
a little balsamic vinegar and pumpkin oil on top
2 garlic pills, one tummy tune up
the rest of the supplements

I've also had "moment of weakness" snacks of 1/2 cup of kefir with stevia and 5-6 blueberries or 1/2 a grapefruit.  They are low glycemic and do not affect the anti-yeast/anti candida diet which contains no sugar, grains, or carbohydrates of any kind.  And I drink TONS of water.  TONS.

My good friend Darla got creative in the kitchen and made me some "smoothies" with ice cubes, cocoa powder, stevia and fresh mint when I desperately needed chocolate.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 03, 2008, 02:08:59 PM
Wow.  So many replies since last night!  Okay, I'll attempt to answer them.  I went to a friend's house and made a TON of herbal capsules all in one day, except for the garlic because it's fresh and wet and I had to make those each day.  THANKS for the detailed replies!   :-*  Re: the garlic, I plan to swallow whole cloves...will that still be effective?  I don't see me grinding it and putting it in capsules.   ::)

I took:

milk thistle (that I bought from Bulk Herb Store and made into capsules), I will order or buy locally.  I wonder if Vitacost is cheaper than local co-op stores?  I think so...
clove (ground, not whole because they'd be too dense to absorb, and I made into capsules) Thanks for that tip.  I think I'll grind and capsule these...
garlic (fresh ground and I made into capsules, daily because they melt the gelatin caps)
diatomaceous earth from BHS and I made into capsules  Thinking on this one...does Vitacost have it?  Nope.  Trying to make ONE purchase...
Fenugreek (from BHS and I made into capsules, for blood purifier)  Interesting choice for blood purifying--doesn't it have some hormonal effect?  Good for milk?  Why not dandelion or burdock or yellow dock (high in iron, helps w/ irregularity)?
horsetail shavegrass (from BHS and I made into capsules) Have this...
pumpkin oil capsules (from vitacost.com)
pumpkin oil (on salads) from vitacost.com Are both necessary?
Candida Cleanse (Rainbow Light brand from vitacost.com) I see that has Pau D'Arco and Black Walnut...is that why the fenugreek--to combat their tendency to decrease the milk supply?
Natures Secret ParaStroy (from vitacost.com) I see this is a 2-part package...did you do one and not the other [the one w/ the Black walnut]?
NSI 15-35 probiotic (from vitacost.com) Looks GOOD!
1 Tablespoon of Coconut oil
1 Tablespoon of cod liver oil
1 Tablespoon of Hot Tonic Is this Schulze's Power Tonic?  Have that, if so...
and 1T of Braggs ACV Have...

I felt that because I was cleansing I needed the best probiotics, especially since I wasn't doing any cultured kefir because of the milk sugars.  I agree...

I take 1 T of black strap molasses now, but I didn't take them while I was fasting because of the sugar.  Thanks for clarifying!

Because I was breastfeeding I wanted to make sure that I had LOTS of good fat, so the Coconut oil and cod liver oil and all the butter was helpful.

I didn't take calcium because I was eating SO many vegetables.  Boy did I miss fruit... I know I will, too, but not as much as MILK.  :'(

Corn is a carbohydrate (sugar... grain...) so none of that.  Potatoes are, too, so only sweet potatoes (a tuber) and those in moderation. Already preparing to say farewell to corn chips...

Yes, I did make and eat pre-made brown rice pasta.  Smothered in butter, of course. Oooh...that is good news!

And my husband reminded me that I didn't eat hummus until after the fast, even though I mentioned it above as tahini. Is there something bad in hummus--the tamari?

Seeds are fine, especially pumpkin I was hoping so, even though some say there's the mold potential.

I didn't do any teas, but they'd have been good.  The ParaStroy has black walnut, so I didn't do any of that because I didn't want to overwhelm my liver.  You also want to drink TONS AND TONS of water to help your kidneys.  I also drank the juice and pulp of one lemon each day to help my gallbladder not get overwhelmed.  (You can see above that I also too milk thistle, fenugreek, vinegar and horsetail to help.) SO did you take anything from the Parastroy?

I didn't ever pass any stones or sludge, but my poop went from fluffy/round to flat/square. Weird.   :D  You're a good sport for reporting what we want to know but don't ask.   ::)  I attribute this to no gluten.  I also lost 3 lbs. of what I think was just intestinal gunk. I didn't think you had weight to lose!

I didn't use any olive oil except on salads/dips.

I took Cipro (antibiotics) like they were tic-tacs when I was a kid.  I'm sure that all the anti-biotics screwed up my good flora because I've always eaten a lot of yoghurt my whole life.  I was on antibiotics at birth--had e. coli spinal meningitis...wasn't breastfed, and probably had more antibiotics for subsequent ear infections. 

Yes, this was very much like a puzzle for me too, DeniseW.  I've suffered from depression since adolescence as a result of a thyroid problem which is a result of the yeast/candida.  I've felt SO MUCH RELIEF from that since fasting.  Not during the fast.  During the fast I was horrid-- the worst I've ever felt.  Heh heh, you mean just the first few days, right?    I imagine getting off yeast and starving it was like quitting smoking or drugs.  I went through awful withdrawal.  For how long?  Gulp.

My eczema and seasonal allergies as well as pet allergies are almost completely gone!  I can mow the grass for the first time in my whole life... and I don't even use a mask!  My skin used to break open and bleed, but not now.  THAT makes it so worth it, no?

All the oils are for your brain, and to help heal your gut from the parasite and yeast overgrowth.  No aloe vera?

---------------

Now that the cleanse is over, I drink broth one day a week and I still take the coconut oil, molasses, and cod liver oil and probiotics every day to stave off regrowth.

I also take hot tonic, vinegar and molasses every other day or more as needed.
So...are you eating "bad" things or no?  Do you feel like you're "cured"?  How did baby handle the 40 days?

Thanks SO much for sharing your experience, and answering so many questions!   :-*

For a sample menu of a day:

Breakfast:
2 scrambled eggs with garlic and cayenne pepper
(Size AA pills) 2 of garlic, one diatomaceous earth, one cloves, one milk thistle, one tummy tune up, one fenugreek, one horsetail shavegrass, and one Rainbow Light Candida Cleanse
One tablespoon coconut oil
One teaspoon cod liver oil
One tablespoon Braggs raw apple cider vinegar
One tablespoon tonic (hot juice)

Lunch:
rice, yellow and green squash, and TONS of butter

Dinner:
a giant salad with spinach leaves, carrots, chicken, cucumber
a little balsamic vinegar and pumpkin oil on top
2 garlic pills, one tummy tune up
the rest of the supplements

I've also had "moment of weakness" snacks of 1/2 cup of kefir with stevia and 5-6 blueberries or 1/2 a grapefruit.  They are low glycemic and do not affect the anti-yeast/anti candida diet which contains no sugar, grains, or carbohydrates of any kind.  And I drink TONS of water.  TONS.

My good friend Darla got creative in the kitchen and made me some "smoothies" with ice cubes, cocoa powder, stevia and fresh mint when I desperately needed chocolate.
I'm so glad you shared your sweet fixes.  I imagine I'll be looking to indulge from time to time.  ::)  Thanks for the menu...I can picture me losing some weight here.   ;D 
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 04, 2008, 02:24:47 AM
Another question... ;D

Did you take anything specifically to keep things moving, so as to minimize reabsorption of toxins, thus decreasing detox symptoms?


And vinegar was OK...good news for salads!

Anything you didn't take that was recommended?

Going shopping... :D
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 04, 2008, 04:41:15 AM
Another question... ;D

Did you take anything specifically to keep things moving, so as to minimize reabsorption of toxins, thus decreasing detox symptoms?


And vinegar was OK...good news for salads!

Anything you didn't take that was recommended?

Going shopping... :D

i'm eating my very sad breakfast of 2 sausage patties, and they are so yucky without an egg and some toast to go around them.  and not exactly good when trying to make sure parasites are gone.  what in the world can i eat for breakfast?  i have a high metabolism and things like rice leave me starving.  looking for ideas.

i guess i will consult my maker's diet book too........

i am taking 1/2 scoop of Super Seed in 8 oz. of grapefruit juice right before bed.  i struggle with constipation.  it is from the allergens, but even without them i wasn't regular daily.  it always works great.  it's much more tasty (like cinnamon) than psyllium husks.  it has tons of sprouted seeds in it.  i wasn't taking this all along, or it may have actually worked.  i was probably reabsorbing the toxins.  i started having vag. yeast i couldn't kill, so that is probably why.

i take this Chinese formula, it is supposed to be for Liver qi stagnation, i was trying to figure out if one of these herbs was milk thistle.  is that what it's for?  anyway, that is the closest thing i have to it.  if not i would need to order some.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 06, 2008, 03:11:31 AM
Looks like brown rice is probably it for grains. 

I do wonder though if Quiona & Amaranth would be allowed? They are both part of the Beet/Spinach family; not related to wheat, corn, etc.; are high in protein & lower in carb; alkalizing & easy to digest. I know they are allowed on the Body Ecology diet so maybe?

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

hi gals!  anyone started yet?  YOOPER??  where are you??  well, after digging through all my freezers, i can't find my millet, but i do have amaranth and quinoa.  does anyone know if these would work as well as rice?  i am using rice and i think it is working very well, but just wondered cuz it takes sooo long to cook.  also, about the rice, is there a limit per day?  such as a certain # of cups or ounces that should be stayed under?  i had some for lunch and dinner and so far so good.  

i won't officially start for a week or so, but will be following it as best as i can til the 13th or 14th.  

i reread the maker's diet phase one.  it doesn't seem so hard with some support.  there are a few things i won't do either.  i thought (per HB's original post on yeast overgrowth) that kefir and kombucha were both beneficial in killing it?  i thought the grains used up the lactose in the milk?  so shabby--did your dr. say why not to use them?
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 06, 2008, 03:28:36 AM
Hi!   ;D

Still here--will check in tonight--starting Friday, officially, but weaning from carbs and dairy now.   :(

Have school, so will be back... ;)

Hoping Shabby will check in, too.   :)

P.S.
What kind of brown rice are you using?  I have brown basmati rice...does that matter?

Also going to take regular Epsom salt baths...do the lemon thing...looking at Candex [enzymes that break down candida cell walls (?)] vs. Candida stuff w/ Black Walnut and Pau d'Arco.  Still reading the thread on nursing and attacking yeast for ideas...looking at spaghetti squash and spaghetti sauce as a possible meal...more later...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: ShabbyChic October 06, 2008, 10:49:32 AM
Hey girls... I'm here with ya!  No, I didn't use anything to keep the bowels moving because I ate so many vegetables and didn't have trouble with that.  With candida die off there is a lot of gas and bloat, though, so be warned!   :D 

And I used organic long grain brown rice from our co-op.  I don't know what makes basmati basmati... if it's a species or a brand.   ???  Sorry I can't help.

And eat all the eggs you want!  I saw that someone is eating sausage and no eggs.  Eggs are fine (unless it's a personal reason that I've missed...)

Keep it up!  Fill me in!
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: mommyjen October 06, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
Okay, count me in Yooper and 4myhoonie! I know I need to get rid of yeast bad. I've had a reoccuring vaginal yeast infection for over a year now and am seriously addicted to carbs and sugars these days. I've done the makers diet for 40 days before so I think I can do this.  I want this to be the beginning of a lifelong commitment to having a healthy gut flora too. My baby is only 3 weeks old though...is that to little to do a cleanse? I'm totally pp and a little overwhelmed in general so I could use some help with the supplement choices. Could someone just tell me what to take and I'll do it? I'm gonna put the whole fam on this diet too. We'll be starting this upcoming friday. I'm excited to kill yeast and lose weight too. I have 30 lbs to lose!!! I'm gonna forgo the vinegar and use lemon juice instead too because I know that vinegar can feed yeast and I really need to kick this. Thanks Yooper for getting all this info. compiled! I'll keep ya all posted.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: ShabbyChic October 06, 2008, 01:19:54 PM
I don't think that 3 weeks is too young.  Just be prepared, all y'all nursing moms, that my little girl had diaper rash when I cleansed.  In fact, I did a one week cleanse with the candida cleanse tablets last week jut to help move some white bread I'd eaten and she got the diaper rash like that (Picture me snapping my fingers  ;D )  So if you see the face break out or the diaper rash... you know why...

And also, my friend reminded me that drinking lots of water is the key to you not getting an infection while you're cleansing!
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 06, 2008, 04:04:47 PM
i'm eating my very sad breakfast of 2 sausage patties, and they are so yucky without an egg and some toast to go around them.  and not exactly good when trying to make sure parasites are gone.  what in the world can i eat for breakfast?  i have a high metabolism and things like rice leave me starving.  looking for ideas.

i guess i will consult my maker's diet book too........

i am taking 1/2 scoop of Super Seed in 8 oz. of grapefruit juice right before bed.  i struggle with constipation.  it is from the allergens, but even without them i wasn't regular daily.  it always works great.  it's much more tasty (like cinnamon) than psyllium husks.  it has tons of sprouted seeds in it.  i wasn't taking this all along, or it may have actually worked.  i was probably reabsorbing the toxins.  i started having vag. yeast i couldn't kill, so that is probably why.

i take this Chinese formula, it is supposed to be for Liver qi stagnation, i was trying to figure out if one of these herbs was milk thistle.  is that what it's for?  anyway, that is the closest thing i have to it.  if not i would need to order some.
That sounds like one SAD breakfast, 4MH... :'(  Too bad you can't have eggs.  I'm counting on those to help...I'll try some cream of millet and brown rice...won't be the same w/o milk and maple syrup, but...I'll miss my fried potatoes, too--what can I fry in garlic, butter and onions for breakfast...hmmm....cauliflower?   :D  How much fat are you getting?

That Super Seed sounds good/effective.  Is there much sugar in grapefruit juice?

Milk thistle is for liver support, yes.  I don't know about liver qi stuff, but I suspect it's working to help your lived during detox.

Looks like brown rice is probably it for grains. 

I do wonder though if Quinoa & Amaranth would be allowed? They are both part of the Beet/Spinach family; not related to wheat, corn, etc.; are high in protein & lower in carb; alkalizing & easy to digest. I know they are allowed on the Body Ecology diet so maybe?

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
hi gals!  anyone started yet?  YOOPER??  where are you??  well, after digging through all my freezers, i can't find my millet, but i do have amaranth and quinoa.  does anyone know if these would work as well as rice?  i am using rice and i think it is working very well, but just wondered cuz it takes sooo long to cook.  also, about the rice, is there a limit per day?  such as a certain # of cups or ounces that should be stayed under?  i had some for lunch and dinner and so far so good. 

i won't officially start for a week or so, but will be following it as best as i can til the 13th or 14th. 

i reread the maker's diet phase one.  it doesn't seem so hard with some support.  there are a few things i won't do either.  i thought (per HB's original post on yeast overgrowth) that kefir and kombucha were both beneficial in killing it?  i thought the grains used up the lactose in the milk?  so shabby--did your dr. say why not to use them?
I think quinoa's on my list...I don't care for amaranth  :P--have some amaranth flakes cold cereal.   I had some good quinoa cold salad once...have to look that up.

I don't know about rice limits, but I'm making a pot up and heating it up as needed.  I think I'll be eating more tuna and eggs and brown rice PASTA...we'll see.  I started cutting back on dairy and carbs today--hard, after birthday cake yesterday (yummy GF carrot cake w/ cream cheese frosting).  Drinking lots of water and fighting off a headache.

I'm curious about the kefir and kombucha, too...but I suspect that any dairy until my gut is healed will cause troubles.   :(
Hey girls... I'm here with ya!  No, I didn't use anything to keep the bowels moving because I ate so many vegetables and didn't have trouble with that.  With candida die off there is a lot of gas and bloat, though, so be warned!   :D 

And I used organic long grain brown rice from our co-op.  I don't know what makes basmati basmati... if it's a species or a brand.   ???  Sorry I can't help.

And eat all the eggs you want!  I saw that someone is eating sausage and no eggs.  Eggs are fine (unless it's a personal reason that I've missed...)

Keep it up!  Fill me in!
 
Thanks for being our faithful leader and supporter!  :-*

I appreciate the warnings on gas/bloating/diaper rashes...I'm sure I'll notify you all of my sufferings.   :D

I'll check on basmati...long grain may be "better".

Okay, count me in Yooper and 4myhoonie! I know I need to get rid of yeast bad. I've had a reoccurring vaginal yeast infection for over a year now and am seriously addicted to carbs and sugars these days. I've done the makers diet for 40 days before so I think I can do this.  I want this to be the beginning of a lifelong commitment to having a healthy gut flora too. My baby is only 3 weeks old though...is that to little to do a cleanse? I'm totally pp and a little overwhelmed in general so I could use some help with the supplement choices. Could someone just tell me what to take and I'll do it? I'm gonna put the whole fam on this diet too. We'll be starting this upcoming friday. I'm excited to kill yeast and lose weight too. I have 30 lbs to lose!!! I'm gonna forgo the vinegar and use lemon juice instead too because I know that vinegar can feed yeast and I really need to kick this. Thanks Yooper for getting all this info. compiled! I'll keep ya all posted.
Welcome aboard, Mommyjen (and congrats, by the way on Lewis!)!  You are brave to add this to your newly acquired postpartum status, but I'm glad you're here.   ;D

I'm still sorting out the supplements myself...good probiotics, good fats, maybe those Candex enzymes vs. stuff w/ Pau d'Arco/B. Walnut, olive leaf?, pumpkin seed oil, milk thistle, garlic, my pre-natal vitamins, CLO, coconut oil,...

Off to guzzle more water.   ::)

P.S.  Yoopermom2--you joining us still?   8)

P.S.2  I'm looking into brown rice being starchy and not good for killing yeast...???

: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: herbalmom October 06, 2008, 04:57:01 PM
Here's an idea for a side dish to help replace potatoes, etc.

I feel best when I eat low carb due to yeast/fungus. Anyway, something I find filling, good on the carbs & antifungal to boot is to saute a onion or 2 (sliced into half rings or chopped) in butter, add chopped garlic near the end & season to taste. Onions aren't totally low carb but since they are antifungal it works for me. I eat them instead of pasta, potatoes, etc. Surprisingly it's filling too. I serve it with meat & something green & I have a full plate with out bread, potatoes, etc. it's  also easy to make no matter what else the rest are eating. If they are eating a main dish I can't eat I cook up a hamburger patty or something like that. HTH

Chopped they would be more like potato 'home fries'- not exact but they are good.

Also sauteed zucchini or other summer squash. Even DH who is a potato fanatic says that if I cubed zucchini & cooked it like home fries he would eat it.

Spaghetti squash can replace pasta.

I haven't tried it but I've heard of using shredded zucchini or zucchini cut into matchsticks & either steamed or sauteed instead of pasta with spaghetti sauce, etc.

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: amazonmama2five October 06, 2008, 07:46:01 PM
Howdy Girls!  I am on board for this one!  As for the spag squash replacing pasta......... my MIL does this!  She has several cookbooks from Hallelujah Acres where they do mostly raw foods.  She can make an entire dinner and have the different entrees ALL RAW.  If you all are interested I can get the cookbooks and pass some of the recipes on.  I particularly liked the "spaghetti and sauce" recipe. 

I am also wondering what supplements I absolutely need.  I am not nursing, I am older and overweight.  :'( :-[  I have supermoms, yeast assassin, paratox(similar to YA), milk thistle, a liver detoxification supplement by NOW, TTU, 8 Billion Acidophiles, cod liver oil, coconut oil, cloves, fenugreek, and lots of fresh garlic.  Is there anything else I really need? 
Jen, I really appreciate you giving me the heads up on this one.
Looking forward to Friday!
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: Jemima October 07, 2008, 02:27:13 AM
Hey, count me in too!!  I was out of town for a couple days so I didn't see this or I'd have been on board earlier. This is EXACTLY what I need...  A simple enough dietary plan, and a support group to boot! 8) I just read through this whole thread (it's long already!) and am thinking on it. I need to go get my babies up and cared for, but I'll be checking back in later...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 07, 2008, 03:30:40 AM
hi gals!  i am so excited to have all of you joining in!  i am still trying to figure out what to eat instead of eggs.  i tried eating them with super enzymes to help with digestion (since i am allergic to them as a result of yeast overgrowth) but after 2 days i am constipated already.  i have taken fiber two nights in a row and it doesn't seem to be doing anything.  i know that this is the reason the other cleanse didn't work for me, cuz i was always constipated.  i am surrounded by cheese, beef and eggs (my 3 main allergens) and it is going to be very hard for me to find things to eat without going broke.  any breakfast ideas?  it says in the Maker's Diet not to eat pork.  i am at a total loss.  i really don't care for eating other foods for breakfast, but i suppose i could eat a salad.  i really don't think i can eat rice at every meal, too light and fluffy.  i thought about just fasting that one meal.  (not pregnant or nursing)  any ideas on what to eat would be appreciated.  looking forward to getting started!  hope the detox stuff doesn't get too bad. 

amazon mama--your supps sound a lot like what i am taking, and i really can't afford to order anything extra right now.  sounds good!
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: blessedmama October 07, 2008, 04:17:04 AM
4myhoonie, we too are allergic to eggs in our home and I have discovered that we can eat quail which are always in season, you might check the asian markets to see if the carry any, they usually do.  As well as duck eggs, goose, guinea hen eggs etc.  However they are all seasonal except the quail eggs.  It takes 3 quail eggs to equal one chicken egg but they are so good and it is such a pleasure to have eggs again.  I get mine from a local man who raises, ducks, quail, pheasant, geese etc and he always has a bunch.  HTH
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 07, 2008, 04:20:00 AM
What about soup?  Or baked veggies?  Duck eggs?  Hmmm...that's tough, 4MH...

Welcome, Jemima--I was hoping you'd join.   ;D

Shabby--did you have headaches from this?

I've upped my water lots and I think it helped ward some off.  Decreasing my dairy and carbs is hard...a menu will definitely help...we'll have to post threads w/ raw recipes or low-carb and try and modify.  I'll check in tonight.

I'm also adding aloe vera for my supplements..to heal my gut...that and something to boost my immune system to avoid getting sick (vitamin C?)...probiotics, of course...EFAs...and whatever else I've listed previously (CLO, coconut oil, pumpkin seed oil capsules, garlic, power tonic, lemons, Eppie baths) . Oh!  Herbs girl mentioned olive leaf on the nursing/yeast thread...for parasites.  That and milk thistle for liver support are in my cart, too, at Vitacost.  I'll place my order today.   ;D

I think the brown rice is the best grain to eat while nursing...hoping the supplements and low carb diet will compensate for that.  Let the buggers STARVE!   ;D
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 07, 2008, 04:38:17 AM
4myhoonie, we too are allergic to eggs in our home and I have discovered that we can eat quail which are always in season, you might check the asian markets to see if the carry any, they usually do.  As well as duck eggs, goose, guinea hen eggs etc.  However they are all seasonal except the quail eggs.  It takes 3 quail eggs to equal one chicken egg but they are so good and it is such a pleasure to have eggs again.  I get mine from a local man who raises, ducks, quail, pheasant, geese etc and he always has a bunch.  HTH

hmmm..........thanks!  will start looking for someone.  we are getting fresh free range eggs.  it's so hard to give those up!   :( :-\
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: Jemima October 07, 2008, 04:58:58 AM
Ok, my couple questions are... (for now ::) )

- What is the reason for the cloves? Maybe I missed it, but I'm thinking maybe they're anti-fungal?

- What do you all think of this plan for a 19 mo. old boy? I don't want to distract the focus from the nursing mother, but my little guy has some eczema patches that I think may be yeast related, and I think I may have him do this w/me, but modified a bit, perhaps. Do you other mom's think this would be ok?

- Yooper, I'd like to hear your finalized list of supplements, and what they're for - I'd prefer to keep my supplements to a minimum, but I want to make sure I do this right and take what I need, too.  (I like the idea of the Candex, versus a Candida Clear.  I'll have to check into that.)

I'm definitely going to need to do some shopping, too! Keep the meal ideas coming...I need to see if there's threads on quinoa or amaranth - I'm new to that...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 07, 2008, 05:49:16 AM
You're right--
Clove''s healthful help comes courtesy of eugenol, a powerful, multifaceted phytochemical that anesthetizes, kills bacteria and fungi, fights free radical oxidation and thins the blood. Clove oil is virtually pure eugenol.
--James Duke

If I had a 19 month old, I'd certainly think about it...if it goes well, I'll have a 9,7, and 5 year old on it!   ;D
Ok, my couple questions are... (for now ::) )

- What is the reason for the cloves? Maybe I missed it, but I'm thinking maybe they're anti-fungal?

- What do you all think of this plan for a 19 mo. old boy? I don't want to distract the focus from the nursing mother, but my little guy has some eczema patches that I think may be yeast related, and I think I may have him do this w/me, but modified a bit, perhaps. Do you other mom's think this would be ok?

- Yooper, I'd like to hear your finalized list of supplements, and what they're for - I'd prefer to keep my supplements to a minimum, but I want to make sure I do this right and take what I need, too.  (I like the idea of the Candex, versus a Candida Clear.  I'll have to check into that.)

I'm definitely going to need to do some shopping, too! Keep the meal ideas coming...I need to see if there's threads on quinoa or amaranth - I'm new to that...
Will post final list later today.   :)

ETA:
Olive leaf extract capsules
EVCO
NSI probiotics 15-35
Aloe vera capsules
CLO [orange ;)]
Milk thistle--Herb Pharm
raw garlic cloves
pumpkin seed oil capsules
candex
cloves
I have fenugreek???
Schulze's Master Tonic
lemons for lots of water
Eppie baths
prenatal vitamins w/ digestive enzymes and antioxidants/immune boosting vitamins
extra vitamin C
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 07, 2008, 10:22:19 AM
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.msg6946.html#msg6946 is the thread on foods to eat while fighting candida.  Better start reading it... :D

I may try modifying my GF pancake recipe...it may work for the 40 day plan.  That would be fabulous (using brown rice and/or millet).  The liquid is supposed to be sour milk...even kombucha worked...maybe a nice tea for extra flavor?    ???

Made a yummy French Onion soup today...and added bacon, spinach, and brown rice.  Yeah, I snuck on some Parmesan.  ::)  Too bad PB isn't included (or raw honey).   :-[

Placed my order...glad I have lots of blueberries... ::)  That chocolate mint drink will be on the menu, too. 
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 07, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.msg6946.html#msg6946 is the thread on foods to eat while fighting candida.  Better start reading it... :D

I may try modifying my GF pancake recipe...it may work for the 40 day plan.  That would be fabulous (using brown rice and/or millet).  The liquid is supposed to be sour milk...even kombucha worked...maybe a nice tea for extra flavor?    ???

Made a yummy French Onion soup today...and added bacon, spinach, and brown rice.  Yeah, I snuck on some Parmesan.  ::)  Too bad PB isn't included (or raw honey).   :-[

Placed my order...glad I have lots of blueberries... ::)  That chocolate mint drink will be on the menu, too. 

let us know if you get the pancake recipe modified.  the Maker's Diet says no pork in the first phase.  the soup sounds soooo yummy!  i may do that anyway!  thanks!
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: Julia October 07, 2008, 10:41:16 AM
You guys don't seem like you're eating very much. When you take out all the supplements, all I see is 2 eggs for breakfast, rice and veggies for lunch, and a salad for dinner. Are you getting enough calories?

This is where I'm having a hard time trying to eat anti-candida-style. I'm not trying to lose weight and if I don't get enough to at least feel satisfied, I'm more likely to break down and eat something I shouldn't.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: skelliott2 October 07, 2008, 10:47:37 AM
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.msg6946.html#msg6946 is the thread on foods to eat while fighting candida.  Better start reading it... :D

I may try modifying my GF pancake recipe...it may work for the 40 day plan.  That would be fabulous (using brown rice and/or millet).  The liquid is supposed to be sour milk...even kombucha worked...maybe a nice tea for extra flavor?    ???

Made a yummy French Onion soup today...and added bacon, spinach, and brown rice.  Yeah, I snuck on some Parmesan.  ::)  Too bad PB isn't included (or raw honey).   :-[

Placed my order...glad I have lots of blueberries... ::)  That chocolate mint drink will be on the menu, too. 

Are you eating any nuts at all??  If so, you can have almond butter.  If you have a vitamix, or a juicer, you can make it with bulk almonds from Sam's.

Also, if almonds are allowed, almond meal really enhances the flavor of pancakes.  Just a thought...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 07, 2008, 12:50:43 PM
let us know if you get the pancake recipe modified.  the Maker's Diet says no pork in the first phase.  the soup sounds soooo yummy!  i may do that anyway!  thanks!
I'm not following the Maker's Diet, so I'm OK w/ bacon/pork.  ;)   I'm doing it for yeast...do they affect yeast?

Skelliot2's got some great ideas/points...I'm going to try and quote her from the other WTM board...
You guys don't seem like you're eating very much. When you take out all the supplements, all I see is 2 eggs for breakfast, rice and veggies for lunch, and a salad for dinner. Are you getting enough calories?

This is where I'm having a hard time trying to eat anti-candida-style. I'm not trying to lose weight and if I don't get enough to at least feel satisfied, I'm more likely to break down and eat something I shouldn't.
I'm eating big quantities of this stuff, and the fatty supplements help...are you eating nuts, Julia?  I'm surely going to have to snack more than I do now.  3 meals/day will not do it while nursing, for sure.
Are you eating any nuts at all??  If so, you can have almond butter.  If you have a Vitamix, or a juicer, you can make it with bulk almonds from Sam's.

Also, if almonds are allowed, almond meal really enhances the flavor of pancakes.  Just a thought...
Mmmm...thinking about nuts...the mold is what I'm wondering about, re: yeast.  No concern of allergies here...just the mold factor.  Nuts would make it much more pleasant.   :D  Thanks for the pancake tip--may use that!
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: skelliott2 October 07, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
Donna Gates does allow almonds during her yeast cleanse.  No peanuts or cashews(I think).  Those have a high tendency to mold, but the almonds are OK according to her.

Yooper, if you want, I'll look it up to be sure.  I know peanuts are no and almonds are yes, but I'm not positive about the cashews or other nuts...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 07, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
Donna Gates does allow almonds during her yeast cleanse.  No peanuts or cashews(I think).  Those have a high tendency to mold, but the almonds are OK according to her.

Yooper, if you want, I'll look it up to be sure.  I know peanuts are no and almonds are yes, but I'm not positive about the cashews or other nuts...
Thanks, again!   :-*

I'm going to post some stuff soon I found...mostly from the "foods to eat while fighting candida" thread...lots of meal ideas and common ?s...
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 07, 2008, 02:29:00 PM
Some useful posts from around WTM...not everything is dairy-free or even strictly no carb, but some good info, nonetheless:

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Fungal-Bacterial Infections (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0.html)
Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Fighting Candida w/o Sugar [Carb] Restrictions (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1923.0.html)
Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

Amaranth and quinoa are gluten free, and allowed on an anti-candida diet.  So are millet and buckwheat.  These are the only grains we used when we fought candida.

We made a lot of soups, salads and stir fries.  You'd be amazed how much variety you can get when you really think about it.  We threw out everything that wasn't allowed, so we wouldn't be tempted, and then just went with it.  You can  make flours by grinding the allowed grains, dredge veggies (like zucchini slices) in the flour, and fry in coconut oil.  We did a lot of root vegetable dishes using red potatoes, carrots, taro root, olive oil, and seasonings like sea salt, rosemary, etc.  You can have veggies with a simple dip, omelets with veggies like peppers and onion or salsa, meat and fish, lots of raw foods work as well.  We made crackers from sprouted buckwheat, or flax seeds, or nori with veggie nut stuffers on top.  Recipes in raw foods books have lots of great ideas for crackers that are allowed on a candida diet.  My favorite book is Rejuvenate your Life by Serene Allison.  Some of these crackers are good with guacamole and/or salsa.  Celery with almond butter is also good.

It's hard to change habits, but there are lots of foods you can eat.  It just takes more time to cook, and a lot of thinking.  Have fun!

Off the top of my head things like ketchup and Worst. have sugar in them..so....NO ! Instead of margarine, use coconut oil. Its a delicious alternative. Use Amaranth and Quinoa with veggies.. I will roast a bunch of cut-up veggies in a 450 oven with salt and oil, then during the week throw them in pasta or grains. ...Try Stevia as a sweetener. I've been drinking Yerba Mate Tea...not only tasty and energizing but it seems to me I am LESS HUNGRY !!

Red potatoes are also allowed, but not russet.  For some reason, red potatoes are not as starchy.  We would slice these really thin, and bake with olive oil and sea salt until they were crispy.  Or, you can bake them, slice them open, pat on butter and rosemary, and rebake for about 15 minutes -- YUM!  Also, carrots are allowed.  You can serve these with stevia and cinnamon.  Stevia is a great sweetener that makes a lot of things taste better.  Makes it a little easier to give up sugar.  You can also put stevia and cinnamon into the millet.  It's somewhat like having oatmeal for breakfast.

Gluten free biscuits would probably not work, since they're usually made from starchy flours, unless you can come up with a recipe from the four acceptable grains.  You can make pancakes with buckwheat, but they're a little strong tasting.  We did make them, though, since we were a little desperate.  :)

I got all of this information from the Body Ecology Diet by Donna Gates.  It's really helped a lot of people with yeast problems.  The other thing to remember, though, is you have to repopulate with the good bacteria.  We had kefir everyday, and tried to get in lots of cultured veggies.  These are an acquired taste, so we weren't as consistent with the cultured veggies as we should have been, but every little bit helps! 

I keep reading in places that peanuts are not good while on the anti-candida diet. Why aren't they good to eat?
The reason that most candida experts say you shouldn't eat peanuts is that they believe that fungus and mold cross react.  This is the same reason they say not to eat cheese, vinegar, fermented foods, etc.  Peanuts are commonly stored in such a way, that they contain mold spores (which might also explain why they are a common allergen).

http://www.drlockie.com/profiles/diet_ymf.htm (http://www.drlockie.com/profiles/diet_ymf.htm)
http://allergyexpert.wordpress.com/category/mold/ (http://allergyexpert.wordpress.com/category/mold/)

I personally had no trouble with peanuts during my cleanse, but if you're having trouble, don't eat them.

I have been doing the cleanse now for 5 days.  For breakfast we mostly eat eggs, omelets with onions, mushrooms, a little cheese then after it is cooked we add salsa and sour cream.  We also eat them poached, scrambled with salda and sour cream etc.  A crustless quiche is yummy as well.  I know that you can have buckwheat, millet, quinoa and amaramath.  If you look on the first page of posts there is a recipe for coconut flour muffins.  I plan on making those today.  For lunch we have had chili, pork chops, red potatoes sliced thin that I baked at 450 with green beans and some bacon grease.  I added a little garlic and onion salt and hubby requested it again the following night.  Tonight I am making taco soup and last night we had roasted chicken.  I took the left over chicken bones, the drippings along with the inside parts will make a broth tomorrow and then make chicken and wild rice soup with veggies in it.  Oh and the other night we had lamb steaks.  HTH

Glutino makes flax crackers that are just whole flax seeds deyhdrated into flat crackers.  It was a big help for my DS, who has a love affair with crackers.  They're fairly low carb, and his pooping habits have never been better! ;D

I eat a brown rice cracker...Lundberg maybe is the company?

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html
(Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal)

Can I drink kefir while fighting candida?  Does the probiotics outweigh the yeast that is in it?

I'm interesting in knowing about the previously mentioned grains as well. :)
Jammie
The kefir bacteria eat the sugars in the milk, so it doesn't feed the yeast at all.  It just populates your stomach with the good bacteria.  Wonderful stuff!

Those grains are actually seeds, and don't feed the yeast.  Carb counts don't matter as long as you strictly follow the diet, and only eat approved foods. Millet is also allowed!

I made a batch of the Nourishing Traditions mayo to go on a salad last night for supper.  Do you all think this is an ok substitute for salad dressing?  It does have some lemon juice, but mostly it's egg and olive oil.  It tastes very similar to Hellman's mayo.  Anyway, it was better than dry salad but not as good as ranch. :D  Jammie

just as a lunch or snack idea, i've been wrapping tuna salad or leftovers of it in a lettuce leaf, it's not hugely filling, but it's not something i would have thought of if WTM'er skelliot2 hadn't mentioned it!   ::)

Is unsweetened Chocolate ok to eat while on a candida cleanse? Like the bakers choc?
Absolutely but good luck with that.   :-X
I am thinking of mixing some xylitol in with the choc and then use the sweetened choc to cover almond butter(made into balls). Sort of like Peanut butter balls.
Let us know how that turns out.  I tried stevia and lets just say, the results were not worth posting about. :P
I really am hoping for at least edible results! My poor DH is really having a hard time with this candida diet! Meals are going ok, but I am realizing he like to snack a lot! For Breakfast I am doing fried eggs(3) with some sort of meat(leftover steak, salmon patties or lamb sausage. The lamb and salmon were not a hit!) Lunch is a salad with meat and lots of veggies, homemade salad dressing and a hard boiled egg to go with it. Also some toasted pumpkin seeds. Dinner is Beef or chicken or fish with lots of mixed steamed veggies. I made a "dessert" that was pumpkin pie filling made with goats milk and no sugar. That was decently good. I have also made a veggie dip with Avocado, goat yogurt and seasoning.

...For lunch we had red potatoes that I sliced into wedges and then dipped them in melted butter and sprinkled garlic salt on and baked. I also just saw the post about potatoes with bacon grease, beans, etc.  That looks good.  We had sauerkraut, too, but just saw something that said to avoid that.  We made our last year from our garden produce with salt brine.  Is that okay to eat?  I am assuming some is made with vinegar and that is why you should avoid it.  Am I wrong on that?

I have searched for recipes for millet or quinoa oatmeal type recipes and haven't found any.  Does anyone know how to make hot cereal out of these grains?

Millet Delight:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8335.msg108405.html#msg108405

Has anyone tried eating the quinoa or millet or alt. grains?  I haven't tried them yet.  I'm not sure how the carbs work or if it doesn't matter since they are gluten free.  I'm still eating mostly salads, meat, cheese and eggs.  I do have some recipes for quinoa and hot cereals, but was afraid to try them yet.  I've also had a few potatoes here and there (like maybe 1/4 c.)  Last night I had two tostadas (12 carbs) with 1/2 c. refried beans (11 net carbs) topped with lettuce, tomato, cheese and sour cream.  I think I calculated my whole meal to be around 24 net carbs.

This week we are having salmon patties.   I also bought some spaghetti squash, turnips, and cauliflower.  I'm making cauli-"rice" with the cauliflower.  You run the cauliflower in the food processor until it is fine like rice.  Then you steam it and season it.  I'm thinking we may have beef and broccoli with it using venison.

We are also having:
Crustless Quiche (not sure the total carbs)
    *  5 eggs
    * 1/4 cup flour (I may leave this out or try quinoa flour)
    * 1/2 tsp. salt
    * 1/2 tsp. baking powder
    * 1/2 stick melted butter
    * 1 cup cottage cheese
    * 1/2 lb. grated cheddar cheese

Combine all ingredients and pour into a well-greased 9x9 pan. Bake at 400° for 15 minutes. Reduce to 350° and cook for 30-40 more minutes.

Canned tomatoes should be fine...they are a little lower in carbs than some veggies.  The can should give you a carb count on the back for each serving.  You can subtract fiber from that amount.

Roasted Veggies

2 small turnips, diced
1/2 large sweet potato, diced
1 zucchini, diced
3-4  T. coconut, olive oil or butter
1 small sprig of rosemary, finely chopped
a generous sprinkle of seasoned pepper
1/2 t. coarse kosher salt

Stir all together.  I use my round stoneware baking dish.  An 8 x11 dish would work too.  I pre-cook in the microwave for 5 minutes, if I'm in a hurry.  Roast at 475* until crispy and browned on top (15-20 minutes).  You will need to stir every once in a while to get the veggies evenly browned.  Everyone loved this at lunch today...well, except 2 out of 3 kids kids, but they ate it anyway since they didn't get a choice. ;D

We also had this cabbage recipe http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Fried-Cabbage-II/Detail.aspx (http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Fried-Cabbage-II/Detail.aspx) from www.allrecipes.com  You can sub stevia for the sugar or just leave it out like I did.  Although my mom in law said her mom always added the sugar and it makes a big difference in the taste.

Also, we tried the spaghetti squash and it was very good.  It is a little tiny bit crunchy, but I really liked it with spaghetti sauce.  I think it would be really good with butter and parmesan cheese as well.

http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/candidadiet.html

Has anyone tried eating the quinoa or millet or alt. grains?
Yes.  I like quinoa best in pilafs.  It's really good with indian spices and sauteed veggies.  Millet is the best bfast cereal IMO, and buckwheat makes good flatbread.  You can make pancakes with buckwheat, but they taste pretty strong.  Not our favorite.

So far, I am eating lots of cheese, boiled eggs, nuts and meat of some sort.  I've also stooped to eating pork rinds for something crunchy.  :o   I bought more turnips for the roasted veggies.

We had chili rellenos casserole last night and it was good. (12 net carbs for 1/8th of it.  I used raw milk in place of the evaporated milk, and whole wheat flour for the thickener.

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Chiles-Rellenos-Pie/Detail.aspx (http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Chiles-Rellenos-Pie/Detail.aspx)

we had a meal that passed the test the other night.  nothing spectacular, but pretty good.  cook chicken breasts (boneless) in a skillet or stoneware, cover with cheese and crumbled bacon.  we had green beans with cheese, and salad.

Are Mushrooms ok on a candida diet? How about alcohol? Like Crown Royal?
Mushrooms are not permitted on a Candida cleanse. 
Mushrooms and stinky cheese and other types of edible fungi and mold are not recommended by most of the experts who write about yeast.  The only reasoning I have been able to find was on one website where the author said that yeasts cross react.  I've even read the Yeast Connection Cookbook and other than giving a directive not to eat these things I cannot recall the author giving any reasons why not to.

Here's my thoughts.  Mushrooms do not cause yeast as far as I know.  The are very low in carbs and contain no unnatural sugars or hormones that might feed candida.  They also do not crossbreed with candida as far as any logical research that I've done.  If you can find some documentation to refute this, I'd be very interested as this question comes up a lot.

I personally ate stinky cheese and mushrooms a lot while cleansing from yeast and had no issues.  I suppose it's possible that this slowed my healing time, so use your judgment based on what you know and be sure and let us know your results and your conclusions.  Wine is also cautioned against for the same reasons; however, I think alcohol in moderation should be fine IF the carb count is low.  Beer would most likely be out for this reason as the average bottle of beer contains about 10-20 carbs.  You could sneak one in on occasion, but I don't think it would be a big sacrifice for most of you to give up beer for a couple of weeks.  ;)  I don't honestly recall the carb counts for distilled liquors.

Hang in there! Sometimes life just isn't easy   :) Here's some ideas:

~~I've found that quinoa, a bit of cinnamon, coconut oil, and some stevia (I use the white kind found in packets) tastes good.

~~ Have you ever tried to wrap romaine lettuce around raw cashew butter? Some might think I'm nuts ( ;D) but I like that for a snack.

If you mix half sour cream (homemade, if you can) with yogurt, put a bit of onion powder, garlic powder, parsley, dill, and some salt in it, that makes a great dip for veggies.

Another favorite of mine is butter stuffed celery

Casserole: Cook up some pieces of chicken. While that is cooking, cook up some kind of grain...quinoa or millet or brown rice. Use the broth from the chicken to make a somewhat watery gravy. Slice in some olives, a bit of jalapeno pepper, cumin, salt, and oregano. Stir fry some colorful veggies. Mix 1/3 of the gravy with the grain and add a few eggs, one egg per 2c. mixture. Put in a greased oven dish/pan. (9x13 for 4-6c. mixture) Mix chopped chicken, veggies, and remaining sauce and pour over top. Cook for around thirty minutes or until mixture is bubbly. Arrowroot can be used as a thickener, but if you're not used to that, I'd feel free to, at least at first, use half whole grain flour and half arrowroot. Just a thought.

~~ Sweet potato and raw walnuts

~~A bit of dill in yogurt, stirred, with cucumber slices to dip with

~~ Might sound funny again, but did you know that you can used raw, scooped out onion as a "bowel" for baking grain-based casseroles in? You can fry up some meat, add some leftover cooked whole grain and veggies to it (with spices), spoon into the onions and bake for a while. These are really filling.

~~ use a greased pie pan and bake a filling for a quiche in that.

As I understand sweet potatoes and grains are all no no's during the first part of a candida diet. But I will definitely try those ideas once he can have them!!! I have "created" a decent salad dressing recipie for anyone interested.....

2T Sesame Oil
1/4 C Apple Cider Vinegar or lemon Juice(best w/ 1/2 and 1/2)
1 1/2 t soy sauce (tamari)
2T Olive Oil
1t dried oregano
2-3 crushed garlic cloves.
Shake and serve!

I am sorry it took me a while to get back with you.  The reason mushrooms are forbidden is because they can be tainted with mold spores.  Later in the same booklet it says that some people react badly to mushrooms.  I think it has to be a personal decision.  I really LIKE mushrooms and would probably eliminate them at first.  But, if reintroducing them had no adverse effects.  I would eat up and be happy.
Probably washing them in a diluted vinegar wash would kill any mold or yeast...........

Have you tried turnips?  I'm beginning to like them. :)  At first I diced a turnip a zucchini and half of a potato.  I swirled them in coarse sea salt and coconut oil with a dollop of butter.  Then I roasted them at 450* until they were tender.  This is our favorite potato sub and we don't add the potato now...

For some reason, dried fruits are supposed to be more starchy than the real ones, so, if you can, it would be better to eat the fresh berries.  Berries are a good fruit to start with, though, as they are less yeast-feeding than other fruits.  Green apples and grapefruit are also acceptable in small amounts. 

For those who are fighting hunger/cravings, I found that taking my  supplements when i get hungry (instead of during meals) helps to curb the craving for a bit and usually until the next scheduled meal.  The extra bulk from the supplements and the water fill up the tummy and give it something to do beside growl at me.   ;D

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3606.msg203466.html#msg203466

you might try the recipe above and add some nuts.

Thanks to every one for your posts!   :-*
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: 4myhoonie October 07, 2008, 05:19:35 PM
I'm not following the Maker's Diet, so I'm OK w/ bacon/pork.  ;)   I'm doing it for yeast...do they affect yeast?

ok, Yooper!  here is what i thought we were doing:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.msg204039.html#msg204039

no matter though, it's all good to share ideas and stuff.  still can't wait to try your soup, maybe tomorrow night.   8)
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: Jemima October 08, 2008, 02:31:33 AM
I've been thinking about this whole version of a yeast cleanse, and have a couple questions/concerns that maybe someone can offer some insight on.

Thinking of it being for a nursing mom -- and how we basically want to avoid drastic die-off symptoms/results so the die-off, toxic junk doesn't go into the breastmilk, thus to our baby.  ...And ...this plan seems to be one of the most "hard-core" yeast cleanse diets I've seen - eliminating more foods than the average anti-candida diet found on this forum.  So I'm a little confused as to how this can be a better one for a nursing mom.  ??? 

I'm all for getting really strict and totally de-yeasting ;D but I want to be very careful all of this doesn't affect my baby adversely.  Even long-term.

Did I make myself clear enough? I'm thinking and typing, and hoping you can follow my thought! ::)

In light of all that, I'm wondering if maybe I should allow myself a couple more foods.  What, I'm not sure of yet. Thought of beans, gluten free bread?  But before I do, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: YoopreMama October 08, 2008, 04:56:29 AM
I'm not following the Maker's Diet, so I'm OK w/ bacon/pork.  ;)   I'm doing it for yeast...do they affect yeast?
ok, Yooper!  here is what i thought we were doing:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.msg204039.html#msg204039

no matter though, it's all good to share ideas and stuff.  still can't wait to try your soup, maybe tomorrow night.   8)
4MH--
I've read the Maker's Diet, but don't have it on hand...the reasons why he avoids bacon/pork I'm not recalling clearly, but I didn't think it had to do w/ yeast (the main reason I want to do this)...is it parasite related?  This is a "good" bacon w/o the sodium nitrites, at least.  I'm not doing this for allergen reasons...which I THINK is a primary reason for Shabby doing this...

Jemima--
I understand where you're coming from very clearly...;D...and appreciate what it adds to this discussion.  Those are valid concerns and I think we should ask ForeverGirl and HB and Shabby to respond...

I guess I'm not totally convinced that stuff leaving my intestinal tract goes into my milk (read: educate me!).   :D  But, obviously, I don't want to adversely affect baby, either, so I'm very interested in what is know about the die-off process when nursing.  Anything I put in my mouth, I understand to go into milk, but stuff that's already in my body and getting ready to depart?  ??? (Thinking simple, here, I know).   ::)  

I think I'm going to go more w/ the Body Ecology meal plan...adding almonds and maybe red potatoes, blue corn chips.  Maybe those sour fruits...

All food groups, sans dairy, are represented...(which leafy greens, almonds, and millet, at least, will help nutritionally to compensate for).

IMO...I think it's healthful, and if consumed in large enough quantities, filling for nursing needs.

Still mulling... ;)
: Re: Shabby's 40 Day Nursing Mama's Yeast Cleanse...
: morningglory October 08, 2008, 06:03:40 AM
I am no expert, but here are a few thoughts.  Candida is constantly giving off toxic substances, which is part of why it's such a problem in the first place.  Candida dying off does release toxins, but it's very temporary, and compared to the threat of having candida releasing toxins long term, I think completely worth having your baby experience some mild detox.  I had to do a very strict yeast cleanse with my 2 year old, and it was not easy.  If I had known to do it while he was nursing exclusively, it would have been much simpler for both of us.  Obviously, if your baby is having severe detox, you should back off.

When we did our strict candida cleanse, we ate one small serving of low-carb fruit every day, and also some GFCF, low-low-carb dark chocolate.  The fruit was generally frozen blueberries, and they taste amazingly sweet when it's the only form of sugar you're getting.  We ate so low carb, that an occasional piece of fruit or bread or some potatoes didn't set us back at all.  As far as vinegar, ACV with the mother is supposed to be fine.  Different schools of thought on that, but I don't think that a tablespoon on your salad is going to do much damage.  I personally believe it would help the process by keeping your body chemistry unhospitable to yeast.
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: YoopreMama October 08, 2008, 07:15:45 AM
I am no expert, but here are a few thoughts.  Candida is constantly giving off toxic substances, which is part of why it's such a problem in the first place.  Candida dying off does release toxins, but it's very temporary, and compared to the threat of having candida releasing toxins long term, I think completely worth having your baby experience some mild detox.  I had to do a very strict yeast cleanse with my 2 year old, and it was not easy.  If I had known to do it while he was nursing exclusively, it would have been much simpler for both of us.  Obviously, if your baby is having severe detox, you should back off.

When we did our strict candida cleanse, we ate one small serving of low-carb fruit every day, and also some GFCF, low-low-carb dark chocolate.  The fruit was generally frozen blueberries, and they taste amazingly sweet when it's the only form of sugar you're getting.  We ate so low carb, that an occasional piece of fruit or bread or some potatoes didn't set us back at all.  As far as vinegar, ACV with the mother is supposed to be fine.  Different schools of thought on that, but I don't think that a tablespoon on your salad is going to do much damage.  I personally believe it would help the process by keeping your body chemistry unhospitable to yeast.

Thank you for sharing, morningglory!  :)  I know you have done a lot w/ cleansing...and I agree, that I'd rather do it with a nursing baby (if there were no long term ill-effects) than a 2 year old.  :o

I would rather get us healthy now...currently, baby doesn't show signs of "trouble", other than some dry skin occasionally.  Certainly, if he was being affected by this, I would back off.

I'm glad you shared about the fruit (we have lots of frozen blueberries) and the dark chocolate.  8)  I planning to use vinegar w/ the mother in salad dressing...

More thoughts?
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: Jemima October 08, 2008, 08:24:11 AM
Just doing some reading and found this...  I thought it may be wise info if we are concerned about die-off, and it affecting our babies. I recommend you read the whole page! It's worthwhile, and talks about making smaller steps in order to not overwhelm the body w/ die-off/detox symptoms.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php)

Antifungals and probiotics should only be added at the right time, after you are following the entire diet and taking all of the essential supplements. This will help minimize "die-off" symptoms so you will not such severe die-off symptoms when you start on antifungals.
  (never heard that before - interesting)

[ETA: check out the recipes section on the website! I took down the homemade mayo recipe.]
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: YoopreMama October 08, 2008, 11:56:58 AM
I am so encouraged by that site, Jemima (I'm reading, reading, reading)!  I especially like the link on Babies/Children...
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php
Thanks!   :-*

And this is what I was thinking about, as we're brilliantly designed  ;):
Dr. Schulze says that you can take any and all of his products while nursing or pregnant. he also says you can do any of his cleanses b/c your body is smart and knows how to make the toxins not go to the milk or baby.  He has treated many pregnant women in his clinic and I fully trust him. It makes sense to me!! I think all of his products would benefit a baby.

Like this link, too for meal ideas:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_7.php

and her egg smoothie (I wonder if you can add cocoa... ::):
Bee's Egg Drink {Smoothie}

© Copyright Bee Wilder

Contains: 19 grams of protein, 65 grams of fat and 4 grams of carbs.

Contrary to popular belief, Eggs Are Not a Likely Source of Salmonella Contamination.
Ingredients

    * 3 large whole eggs (or 4 medium), preferably "certified organic" free-range
      (whole eggs or a combination of whole eggs and egg yolks can be used)
    * 2 tablespoons unrefined coconut oil
    * 2 tablespoons butter (organic or certified organic & unsalted is best, preferably raw and unpasteurized)
    * 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon, or to taste
    * 1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
    * 1 pinch of stevia sweetener, or to taste
    * 2 to 2 ½ cups of boiled water

Other spices can be used to taste, i.e. ground clove, allspice, ginger, etc.
Instructions

   1. Boil water.
   2. Put all ingredients in a blender except the water.
   3. Add boiled water last and let it sit until the egg whites turn white (a minute or less).
   4. Close the cover well, and blend for about 20 seconds.
   5. This drink keeps well in a thermos for several hours, and it can be kept in the refrigerator for 24 hours.
      Since it tends to separate it may need to be stirred well or blended again before drinking it.

If you prefer the drink cold, put it in the refrigerator to cool it down. Just stir it well before drinking it.

All ingredients can be adjusted to suit individual needs and tastes. For example, if you are just starting on coconut oil start with 1 egg and 1 teaspoon of coconut oil, less water and spices, and gradually increase the amount of coconut oil over time (every 4 to 5 days) to minimize die-off/healing reactions. The number of eggs can be increased or decreased, along with any other ingredients.
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: Jemima October 09, 2008, 04:08:25 AM
So, any more thoughts on the die-off from candida adversely affecting nursing babies? Or where the die-off actually takes place?
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: morningglory October 09, 2008, 04:46:14 AM
Bentonite clay is supposed to pull toxins and eliminate them through the kidneys.  Maybe a little in some bath water would help?
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: YoopreMama October 09, 2008, 01:31:53 PM
Jemima--It sounds like candida is everywhere in the body, even normally.  Still researching the toxins in milk...found a neat low carb forum w/ a thread on yeast/candida cleansing and they are discussing the site you found.  Good discussions going on--not sure if any are nursing...going to keep looking.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/health-medical-issues/575750-let-s-talk-yeast-candida.html

and I just saw this one:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/health-medical-issues/579590-how-you-anti-yeast-people-doing-check.html

The lady who runs that site, MG, (Bea) recommends against bentonite clay internally...for the same reasons posted here somewhere...that the source is possibly contaminated, IIRC.

I am going to still go ahead w/ things tomorrow....but more in line w/ the plan outlined on that site (which I see is posted on other threads here).  Not doing the heavier antifungals and probiotics until on the diet for awhile and having worked through the various stages.  I'll try and post what that is, and then perhaps, we need to start a different thread, b/c that is a bit different than what Shabby was doing--and for different reasons (not allergy-related).

 ;D
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: Jemima October 09, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
(you beat me to posting, Jen! :D oh well, I'll go with it anyway)

Hey, part of your last post wasn't there before, Yooper - the quote from Rikki, etc.  That's interesting and good to know. So, are we still starting tomorrow?? Yooper, Amazonmama, 4myhoonie? Can't remember for sure who all was interested.

I'm starting tomorrow. However, after reading the site I mentioned above, (and quoted by Yooper) I'm going to take a more gradual approach. I'm starting week one by eliminating all sugars and fruits, and upping my good fats. Eventually, I guess I'll probably be eating the same as the original "Shabby yeast cleanse" :D but, personally, I feel more comfortable with making a gradual week by week change, for the sake of my baby mostly. I also feel comfortable doing this with my 19 mo. old DS.

So, maybe I should stay out of this particular thread/discussion, for the sake of the title... ?  But I'll def. be checking in to see how everyone's doing - and keep myself encouraged and focused!!  ;D  

Oh, and I'm wondering if anyone wants to share some breakfast ideas??  I'm realizing a fruit free, sugar free breakfast is going to be real bland...  :P All I can think of is oatmeal with butter and salt - and eggs.  Any ideas for adding a bit of flavor to breakfast?
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: InEverything October 09, 2008, 02:00:40 PM
I've been thinking about this whole version of a yeast cleanse, and have a couple questions/concerns that maybe someone can offer some insight on.

Thinking of it being for a nursing mom -- and how we basically want to avoid drastic die-off symptoms/results so the die-off, toxic junk doesn't go into the breastmilk, thus to our baby.  ...And ...this plan seems to be one of the most "hard-core" yeast cleanse diets I've seen - eliminating more foods than the average anti-candida diet found on this forum.  So I'm a little confused as to how this can be a better one for a nursing mom.  ??? 

I'm all for getting really strict and totally de-yeasting ;D but I want to be very careful all of this doesn't affect my baby adversely.  Even long-term.

Did I make myself clear enough? I'm thinking and typing, and hoping you can follow my thought! ::)

In light of all that, I'm wondering if maybe I should allow myself a couple more foods.  What, I'm not sure of yet. Thought of beans, gluten free bread?  But before I do, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Hi-- you may have already had the tip to stay hydrated.  The more water you drink the slower you will detox.  This is what I read anyway  :-\ ;)
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: YoopreMama October 09, 2008, 02:06:28 PM
Will post later...yeah I edited my previous post and added more.  ::)

Did you see Bea's menus, Jemima?  The egg smoothies?  Salmon patties?  I may modify my pancake recipe...will post if it works.  ;D

I'm starting tomorrow--no sugars and fruits and upping the good fats, too!  Me thinks we should start a thread...I can do it later, if you'd like, w/ our posts in it...unless HB steps in to help.  ;)
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: mommie October 10, 2008, 05:59:52 PM
www.cookingwithstevia.com
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: YoopreMama October 11, 2008, 01:38:38 AM
Thanks, crissyjoy--will have to check that out!   :-*

Here's where we started a thread for encouragement while on an anti-candida diet:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,21241.msg205033/topicseen.html#new

Sufficient water is definitely keeping headaches at bay here.   :)

As far as flavor to breakfast...I could imagine the French Vanilla stevia in hot cereal...cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamon...???  A good tea?
 
 
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: rebeccahuff March 27, 2009, 08:05:53 AM
Any nursing Mama's still doing the Yeast Cleanse? I'm about to start, as well as our entire family.

Is there any validity to that Candida test where you spit in a glass of water first thing in the a.m. ? We did that and according to that test, everyone in our family except the baby has Candida! (7 out of 8 ) I did read that 89% of Americans have it, most unknowingly.

Just looking for sympathizers, uh, I mean support!  ;)
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: rebeccahuff April 01, 2009, 08:44:20 AM
bump

So, any more thoughts on the die-off from candida adversely affecting nursing babies? Or where the die-off actually takes place?
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: brigonia April 02, 2009, 09:30:54 AM
Hi, I have been eating this way again.  My baby has eczema so I gave up dairy.  I do eat homemade stevia sweetened chocolate though.  So I am eating veggies, meat, kombucha and fermented veggies, and fruit (berries and green apple).  I only eat fruit about once a week.  I have lost almost 30 pounds since December.   ;D  I am also eating raw veggies with each meal and that has really made the weight come off!  The raw veggies are supposed to be liver supportive and I would think that would help with any die off also. 

I have not noticed any die off symptoms in me or my baby.  After the first few days of going dairy free I have felt better and better.  A few weeks ago my baby was having green poops.  We started feeding him solids because he seemed to need them.  His poops are normal now so I think he just needed more food.  His eczema did seem worse at first but now it is better.  I have been dairy free for over two months so I'm hoping to see it go away soon.  I'm also going to start giving him cod liver oil and I try to give him a little probiotic powder with dinner.
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: 4myhoonie April 03, 2009, 05:52:26 PM
Any nursing Mama's still doing the Yeast Cleanse? I'm about to start, as well as our entire family.

Is there any validity to that Candida test where you spit in a glass of water first thing in the a.m. ? We did that and according to that test, everyone in our family except the baby has Candida! (7 out of 8 ) I did read that 89% of Americans have it, most unknowingly.

Just looking for sympathizers, uh, I mean support!  ;)

it was very true for me.  i could never pull it off, trying to get the kids to do it, without eating or drinking first. 
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: 4myhoonie April 30, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.msg6946.html#msg6946 is the thread on foods to eat while fighting candida.  Better start reading it... :D

I may try modifying my GF pancake recipe...it may work for the 40 day plan.  That would be fabulous (using brown rice and/or millet).  The liquid is supposed to be sour milk...even kombucha worked...maybe a nice tea for extra flavor?    ???

Made a yummy French Onion soup today...and added bacon, spinach, and brown rice.  Yeah, I snuck on some Parmesan.  ::)  Too bad PB isn't included (or raw honey).   :-[

Placed my order...glad I have lots of blueberries... ::)  That chocolate mint drink will be on the menu, too. 


hey yooper! just wondering if you have posted this GF recipe somewhere?  maybe you could send it to me on facebook, since WTM isn't working too well lately.  have to do it without dairy & eggs too.  :-\  is that even possible?
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: YoopreMama April 30, 2010, 05:05:25 PM
The pancake recipe?  Totally doable w/o diary and eggs.  Will post...
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: YoopreMama April 30, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
Blender Pancakes/Waffles

AMOUNT: ~18 pancakes. Waffles: 4-5?
GF, soy and nut free; can be CF, egg free

1. Blend
2 Tbs. olive oil (optional for crispness)
1 tsp. vanilla (optional, omit if using buckwheat)
~1 1/2 + c. grain of choice (we use about equal proportions of brown rice, millet & oats...the millet makes it SOO good. We have made w/ only brown rice or only oats. Buckwheat or sorghum are tasty, too).
~1 3/4 c. buttermilk (we use some yogurt, whey, lemon juice or vinegar to sour our raw milk. Kombucha works well, too!  So does lemon juice in water or rice milk.)

The batter should always swirl in a vortex. If not, slowly add more liquid until it does (sour milk). Batter may be thicker for pancakes.

2. Cover blender, let sit at room temperature 6-8 hours or overnight.

3. Preheat waffle at highest temp., or griddle on medium-high.

4. Just before baking, add & re-blend on highest speed:
1 egg (optional)
additional liquid, if needed
1 Tbs. cinnamon (optional)
1-2 Tbs. flax seed (optional)
banana (optional)

5. Blend in thoroughly, but briefly:
2 tsp. baking powder
3/4 tsp. baking soda (makes them fluffier, can decrease to 1/2 t.)
1/2 tsp. salt (to taste--ours is a scant 1/2 t.)

6. Pour on lightly sprayed surface...cook waffles about 4 minutes. Cook pancakes until bubbles on unbaked side begin to break. Turn and finish cooking.
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: leahsfunny7 April 24, 2011, 12:57:18 PM
Is anyone still doing this or has done this??? Started on it and my baby has a fever .. just wondering if this is ok or  not??


 thank you