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: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Maria/NHM April 24, 2006, 02:45:18 AM
Does anyone know how to prevent strep B or how to treat it. I'm living in an area that does not have any home birth midwives so we are planning on delivering Unassisted this time. I'm hoping to avoid developing it  by eating lots of yogurt and not eating sugar. I had read that might help. I would like to have a plan for how to treat it just in case I end up testing positive.  colloidal silver might help but I haven't found any info on how soon it works. Would I take it when labor starts or start taking it before. Can you take it for long periods of time?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Kristin_19_78 April 24, 2006, 04:24:45 AM
This is a treatment plan if you know you are already GBS+.  It was developed by a pregnant woman in San Francisco, and it worked! Her midwife has also used it successfully with other women. She says it takes about three weeks to obtain negative cultures, but she could see that it was working weekly, bc each culture showed less growth.
Twice a day with breakfast and dinner:
acidophilus- 4 billion cells per dose http://www.vitacost.com/JarrowFormulasJarroDophilusFOS here is a link for the one I have used. It has been VERY effective, and VERY affordable! Less than $17 including shipping!
echinacea- 350 mg capsules- two capsules ( I got these @ Walmart for about $4, I think)
garlic- 580 mg capsules- two capsules, and ALL YOU CAN EAT! (I bought these @ Walmart too.)
Vitamin C- 500 mg with 200 mg bioflavonoids ( I just took 1500 mg of C spaced out during meals...Walmart yet again)
Grapefruit seed extract- 15 drops (I didn't use this, but another midwife added it who has used it successfully) I couldn't find a reasonable price for it at my local health food stores. It would have cost me more than everything else combined! But I used everyting else and it worked!

Another midwife told me many women have used oregano oil. She said it has always worked. (Another item a little too pricey for me.) 

Now if all else fails and you are positive at birth, don't worry...the main reason for infection in the hospitals is repeated vaginal checks and premature breaking of the amniotic sac. Leave you bag of waters alone (I'm sure your midwife knows this already) and if it does break early and you are concerned, go to your local drug store and pick up Chlorhexidine. I can't remember the exact mixture, go to http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/gbs.html#Lavage to see if they give the info. I believe it is about 1 part Chlohexidine to 9 part water in a peri bottle and you just rinse with it during labor about once every ten hours or so. (Hopefully your water will not be broken that long) Not only does it kill the GBS, but it also kills E. coli. I don't know why hospitals don't use it. (It's only a few dollars at the drug store and it doesn't carry the problems and side effects of antibiotics!)
gentlebirth.org/Midwife is a great site for any questions you may have on ANY topic.
God Bless! I wish you the best at your homebirth! You are going to love it!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: petrimama April 25, 2006, 05:21:59 AM
My last two labors, I felt so restrained by the IV's and I was not allowed in the water, or even out of the bed because of them.  The worst part is that my labors are so fast (That's not the bad part) that even on full drip I barely got one dose of antibiotics, so I was told it was almost pointless.  My third developed a mild fever at 8 days old and he was tortured in the hospital for a week with catheters, IV's, blood draws, 2 spinal taps (which caused fluid leaks), etc.  This effected his system for weeks afterward.
  Had it not been for the Strep B factor, none of this would have been necessary.  As it was, if I had declined any of the above (which I did at first) the state would have taken temporary custody of my baby so I would have had a record of neglecting my children and would not have been allowed to stay in the hospital to nurse and comfort him.   I was dreading a positive Beta strep culture this time too, because I just never thought there was another way.  The Lord is so good to show me the way whenever I turn my fears over to Him.  Thank you so much for this thread and all of the information included.
                                                                                        ~Layla
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Bethany April 28, 2006, 05:58:03 AM
garlic- 580 mg capsules- two capsules, and ALL YOU CAN EAT!
I would add a caution about using too much garlic during the last few weeks of pregnancy. Garlic can alter the blood-clotting ability of the blood, which could result in severe hemorrhage if you use large quantities shortly before birth. (I know of at least one mom who was affected in this way.)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: MotherOfBlessings May 21, 2006, 05:27:05 AM
I am the mother of 5 girls.  :)  My husband requires that I birth in a hospital.  How I would like to try a water birth at home.  ;)  During my last pg I came up positive for GBS.  I found this treatment on a midwife website (I am sorry, lost the link).  I douched with Grapefruit seed extract (about 10 drops per bag of warm water, mixed well)  daily for 2 weeks in the a.m. and placed an peeled (but not cut in ANY way) clove of garlic in my vagina at night.  My OB/GYN refused to test me again after this.  But my baby had absolutely no complications.  Please do not do this simply by my experience.  Please research it for yourself!

However, I must also say that while in the hospital I refuse IV's, meds, and anything we deem inappropriate.  I take orange juice with me to drink during and after labor.  The nurses pretty much respect our choices even if some don't like it.  I guess they figure, afther this many births, I know what I am doing!  ::)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: mishy May 21, 2006, 08:44:45 AM
My doc never tested for the GBS for my first three.  I think because the GBS comes and goes.  So you can test neg at 30 weeks (or whenever the test is) and be pos at birth or vice versa.  For my 4th it was required by law to have the test, but I declined it.  The person who would give me a hard time with that is the pediatrician, so I called up the doc who I use if I ever we need a doc and asked him about the GBS and explained it all to him and he was fine with me not getting the test. 
I wish I could remember her whole reasoning behind NOT getting tested for GBS.  What I wrote might be all, but I just can't remember.  She did think the now mandatory testing is just a big ol' waste of $$$ and she is one of the best OB's on island.  She is (obviously) also very laid back and open to natural methods instead of all-for the medical intervention at any cost. 
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Maria/NHM May 23, 2006, 07:10:03 AM
I just tested and it came back negative :) Thanks for all the helpful ideas!

: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Bev July 06, 2006, 06:42:27 AM
Hello, for the last three pregnancies I have always turned up positive for group B. They always give me an antibiotic then while I am labor they give me an I.V. full of antibiotics. I have read recently that your baby can catch things like ecoli if you have too many of those antibiotics while pregnant. I guess it like weakens thier ability to fight things. Well this time I am 6 months pregnant I havent seen a doctor. We are having the baby at home my husband and I. I know i need to do something to get read of the group B. What can happen and it is a small risk if I do not have antibiotics is the baby can become very sick even with menengitis. Menengitis always scares me since my brother at age seven almost died from it and then when I was a young adult I had a good friend suddenly without warning die from it as well. I am not sure what yeast assasin is. Is it a medicine? And could it help with group B? Any other sure way soulutions?   
Also here is my other delima. I am Rh A negative. I usually have to get this shot so the baby and my blood does not mix. This time I am not getting the shot since I found out that they put mercury in the shots. Some have claimed thier babies have died from it. I never read the label before but also it says on it that they cant guarentee that they have screened it througly for diseases. There are some cases of mother and child catching aids from it and hepititis. I never knew that the rhogam shot they gave me was actually a blood product.  I have read that as long as you let the placenta come out naturally and DO NOT CUT THE CORD than your babies blood and yours should not mix. Unless you were to hemmorage. Any other info someone may have would be helpful! I want to have the baby at home but I have these few risks I need help with.

Thankyou,

Bev
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: visionarymom July 06, 2006, 09:49:47 AM
I've never even tested for this, because I'm allergic to several antibiotics! But maybe you could try taking Echinacea starting a week or so before the due date. That stuff is amazing, and other than taking it for too long a period, (the effectiveness lessens), you really can't go wrong with it. (IMO).

Also, about the RH factor. I don't have personal experience dealing with that, because I'm RH pos. But if hemhorraging is the issue behind the worries, definintely take red rasberry leaf for at least a month before the due date. It is WONDERFUL! My first 2 were born without using it, and I bled a lot, and passed huge clots. For the 3rd, there was hardly any bleeding compared to the first 2. Even the midwives commented on how little bleeding their was.  :)

Hope that helps. -vm
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. Dugger July 06, 2006, 10:14:37 AM
I don't know much about the group B stuff, other than I've heard it comes and goes.  Personally I don't think it's too much to worry about.  I think it comes from your colon, so if you are very clean, I don't understand how the risk could be so huge that you would need antibiotics.  That's my personal non-medical opinion :)

I'm also RH negative.  The shot won't prevent the blood from mixing, but it makes it so your body doesn't produce antiobodies to the babies' blood if they do happen to mix.  It's only a concern if the baby is RH POSITIVE.  Which is usually the case, if your hubby is positive.  The problem won't occur with the first pregnancy (necessarily) that the blood "mixes," but it's subsequent pregnancies you have to worry about.  I personally know of someone that has brain damage from having the blood transfusions as a newborn because their mother was RH negative.  Without the shot, the baby can have anemia, and sometimes so severely that it needs a complete transfusion.  The problem is that your bodies' reaction is worse each subsequent pregnancy.  (From what I understand).  Personally, I think the RH antibody shot is one of the best medical breakthroughs of our time.  I've never heard of any problems from it.  Could you point me to some sites where you got the info about mercury and blood contamination?  Thanks :)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: happywife July 06, 2006, 10:39:49 AM
Group Beta Strep always concerns me, too...  Our first birth was unassisted at home, and the baby was stillborn.  For the following pregnancies we used a midwife and had prenatal care, and I tested positive for GBS.  I've wondered if that could possibly have been the cause of the stillbirth (?).  So, we always use precaution and do the antibiotics.  However, with this pregnancy I tested neg for the GBS and decided not to do the antibiotics.  I did though buy a product called Silverbiotic and thought I might take it just as a precaution.
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: ~esposita~ July 06, 2006, 10:40:44 AM
O!  How to keep a long story short???

#1 Preg:  Had midwife...  Refused group B test...  Labor for ~ 60 hrs... (Water broke around 36-40 hr.)  Took group B culture since baby hadn't come...  Positive... Went to hospital... IV with antibiotics, pitocin... 9 hrs later, no baby... C-section  :'(
They gave her antibiotics, too.  She got thrush >:(

# 2 Preg:  We had moved from NY to PA, new midwife, trying for a homebirth again.  Because of my past history, my midwife wanted to test me for Group B.  I DID NOT WANT ANTIBIOTICS!!!  Called my Aunt who is a naturally minded midwife - she recommended inserting a clove of garlic vaginally for 1-2 days prior to the time they take the culture.  Then, the evening before, and the morning of the culture, I took a bath and put apple cider vin. in the water. Negitive Test!!! :D

Again, I ended up in the hospital, but because of a neg. test, I didn't need an IV.  Unfortunately, after 36 hrs. I had another c-section :'(  BUT, they didn't give our boy anything this time...we were better educated ;)

Hope this helps

PS - I didn't use the garlic ::) just prayer and ACV ;D
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Kristin_19_78 July 06, 2006, 01:09:53 PM
http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,308.msg1924.html#msg1924
please check out this post that was previously on welltellme. i had left a treatment plan on there. i don't know if it was the one followed, but she tested negative!! great info. check it out!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: nursegirl July 07, 2006, 10:17:33 AM
Here's what my midwife told me about group B strep:  Apparently, it can come and go.  You can test negative at 38 weeks, but still have it when you deliver.  So, for awhile, practitioners just quit testing for it.  However, she believes that probably what happened was that a few babies either got sick or died from catching group B during the birth.  So, doctors decided that the risk was too great, and started testing everybody for it.  I was positive with my first, and had IV antibiotics.  If you don't take antibiotics all the time, and are very careful to repopulate your gut with probiotics, I think it's a small price to pay.

I am also Rh negative, and had the Rhogam shot.  If you're really worried about getting the shot, have your husband's blood typed.  If he's negative also, then you don't need the shot, because your baby will be Rh negative also.  However, I also agree with a pp that it's a great breakthrough.  It seems to me that the risk of the things you mentioned would be far smaller than that of creating antibodies to your baby's blood. 

Sarah
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: shawnaincov July 16, 2006, 10:30:33 AM
Hello.  Iam an RN and when I still worked worked ing the OB dept.  In reguards to the Group B,  It can change with each Preg.  I would def. try the ACV.  I would even try the garlic too because it is a wonderful herb! My Fave!! ;)  If you are Pos though the risks to your baby are severe respriratory distress.  It doesn't always happen but I wouldn't want to take the chance if it were me.

Now about the RH.  It doen't usually affect the first preg. THis is when the antigen-antibody reaction occurs.  It will get worse with each preg. because with each preg. you have more antibodies building.  If you have had the RhoGAM shot with all other Preg. that has helped you to not be so sensitive.  It can cause severe hemolysis.(bursting of red blood cells).  This causes anemia.  If it were me I would rather take the shot than to risk my baby having to have a blood transfusion, but to each his own.
I hope that I have been of some assistance.
As far as the RhoGAM shot and what it contains I can only find in one of my books that it is made from the plasma portion of blood.  That is the water portion of your blood.  WHen you spin blood very fast it will seperate and the water part is the plasma.

Shawna 
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 06:32:36 AM
I hope there are some ladies out there who have had experience with this. At my first prenatal visit (I was 5 wks) they did a urinalysis to check for infection. The culture came back positive for Group B Strep. I was told that because of this I am considered "colonized" and will need to have IV antibiotics during labor. The urine sample that was done was not a clean catch. Does any one think that maybe the group b showed up because of bacteria from the outside of the vagina, and not really in my urine? should I insist on having another urine test, (this time clean catch) in order to see if the GBS realy is in my urinary tract? I have horrible problems with yeast, and have already taken two courses of Macobid during this pregnancy so I want to avoid anymore antibiotics if I can. I don't think my midwife will even grant my request if I ask...she has already told me that the levels of GBS in the urine were pretty high...like 10,000 colonies per ml or cc of urine or something like that..so maybe that indicates that it really is in the urinary tract... thanks for any responses.
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: SHERRI REEL July 28, 2006, 06:42:47 AM
If the levels are that high IMO it is no question,but I don't know if there are other options than antibiotics at labor or not,I didn't know to avoid antibiotics and had the intravenous drip without  complications when the strep b showed up in one of my pregnancys.
Sherri
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 06:45:20 AM
sorry..I'm not up on all the computer lingo, what does IMO mean?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: SHERRI REEL July 28, 2006, 06:56:43 AM
in my oppinion
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: Gabriel Anast July 28, 2006, 07:07:09 AM
Try drinking raw cranberry juice... or, even better, try getting whole cranberries with the skin still on, and eating them. This is really great for all things UTI.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=cranberries

Eat or drink a bunch of cranberries before your next test.

--gabe
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: InEverything July 28, 2006, 07:26:32 AM
Before your next test you may want to apply some Lavender oil down there in case it is in the vaginal area
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: SC July 28, 2006, 07:39:34 AM
I had the same test when I was pregnant with my middle child. We were planning a home birth, so an IV was a complication we did not want or need. I started to take large doses of probiotics and cut out ALL SUGAR and REFINED CARBOHYDRATES. This meant that I didn't even eat fruit (because of the sugar), no honey, nothing with "natural sugars" or corn syrup on the label, etc. By refined carbohydrates, I mean that I ate no bread, crackers, cereal, white rice, etc. I did eat LOTS of leafy greens and protein (eggs, chicken, beef, etc.).

About 3 weeks before I delivered (my babies always come at 38 weeks), I came down with an AWFUL sinus infection requiring a round of antibiotics. My midwife did another test that came back negative for strep B. I believe that the combination of the probiotics with the treatment of the antibiotics were the key. We were in agreement with our midwife that the sinus infection was a blessing in disguise.

This condition is not treated as a serious threat by many Ob's because they know that they can prevent complications by using an IV during delivery. But for moms and dads that don't want to go that route, it is a serious complication.

For my next pregnancy, I made sure to use probiotics all through the pregnancy and stay away from sugar. Although, I did allow myself fresh fruit as I wasn't battling strep B, just preventing it. I agree with Gabe's recommendation about the cranberry juice as long as it is unsweetened.

The following information on Group B Strep is found on Medicinenet web site (http://www.medicinenet.com/group_b_strep/article.htm):

Group B Strep (GBS) are bacteria that live commonly in the intestinal and genital tracts of all persons. The bacteria has been found in as many as 10 to 25% of all pregnant women's vaginal area when cultures are obtained; those women with a positive vaginal culture can transmit the germ to the infant usually while the infant is still in utero, after the membranes are ruptured, or during the delivery. These babies have a 1/2% to 1% chance of contracting the early-onset type of infection. This risk of infection goes up in preterm infants (born less than 37 weeks gestational age), in infants born after the amniotic membranes have been ruptured for more than 18 hours, and in infants whose mothers had fever or evidence of infection of the uterus lining and/or urinary tract during the labor and delivery.

Bacterial infection in the newborn is a serious and potentially life- threatening event, as fever and obvious warning symptoms are often subtle or absent and because the newborn's infection-fighting immune system is far from fully mature. The early signs of newborn infection can be as subtle as poor feeding, lethargy, or poor temperature control. And in the present era of infants being discharged home in less than 24 hours, there is growing pressure to culture all women during pregnancy to determine who may be carrying GBS (without having symptoms themselves). Antibiotic treatment can be considered for the culture-positive women PRIOR TO DELIVERY. Also the knowledge of a culture-positive mother can allow the infant's doctor to be especially alert to early signs of problems and/or to watch the infant for an extra day or two. This bacterial infection of the newborn, once diagnosed, can be treated with aggressive antibiotics and supportive care of the infant in a Neonatal ICU, but the disease stills carries a rather significant mortality rate; prevention and early detection are critically important.


Finally, I would look back over any blood tests that you have had and check for any deficiencies. Then, I would look for whole food options that would supply my body with whatever it needed to be healthy. The baby will get what he or she needs, but if you aren't getting what you need, your system will become depleted and be less able to adjust to the demands being placed on it.

Because your test was done at 5 weeks, that gives you lots of time to try and attack this condition by natural means. I would go for it and pray for healing. A follow-up test can tell you how things are going. I'll be praying, too. Let us know how things turn out.
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: Mrs. JDT July 28, 2006, 08:10:42 AM
Does anyone have any advice on how to approach my midwife about getting another urine test and a vaginal swab culture at 35-37 weeks? When she saw the results of the initial urinalysis she told me that I was considered colonized and that they won't even do the swab/culture test on me at 35-37 weeks because they already know I have it. She is pretty adamant about the IV during labor because she said the levels in my urine were high. I'm afraid to ask her about it because I don't want to get into an argument or seem like I'm being fanatical. 
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: nursegirl July 28, 2006, 12:32:07 PM
How far along are you now?  If it's going to be awhile until you're 35-37 weeks, I think I'd drop the issue for now.  Then, at about 32 or 33 weeks, at a routine checkup, you could say something that will come across non-threatening/non-questioning like, "I know I'm probably just being a little paranoid, but I really don't want IV antibiotics if I can help it.  Would you mind doing another test at my next visit to make sure I'm Group B positive?"  Unless your midwife is totally close-minded (and I don't think most of them are), she'd probably do it. 

I also wanted to mention that the problem is not having the bacteria in your urinary tract.  The problem is having it in the birth canal.  That's how a baby contracts it at birth.  Doing a clean-catch would probably negate the value of the test.  Also, in my experience, contamination in a specimen usually won't cause colony levels that high. 

Hope this helps!

Sarah
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT July 29, 2006, 08:59:28 AM
Thanks, nursegirl, for the suggestion. That helps a lot. I am 32 weeks today, but my next appt with my midwife is not until I am 35 weeks. should I call her and ask her about the retest over the phone before my next appt? my other question is, should I also ask to have the vaginal swab test done as well as the urine test?
Since you said that contamination from the outside usually wouldn't cause colony levels that high, does that mean that I probably should have the IV? Sorry for this long list of questions..I'm just trying to sort all this stuff out.. :-\thanks so much
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: a_new_creation July 29, 2006, 12:03:04 PM
I am 21 weeks pg w/ #3.  My previous dc were born at home w/ midwives who gave me a choice about being tested for GBS.  I declined the test.  This time my midwife really seems to think I should get tested.  I am OK w/ this but I have a question that I can't find the answer to online.

W/ my previous deliveries, my sac did not rupture until the pushing stage (and then it was done by the midwife).  IF I am GBS+, could the baby even get it if my water doesn't break until the very last minute?  I don't know if this labor will be the like the first 2, of course, but I seem to have tough sacs.  Anybody have any thoughts?  From what I've read your chances of passing on GBS are increased w/ prolonged ROM so I would think the opposite would be true as well.

Carla
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: boysmama July 29, 2006, 12:25:40 PM
Good question! I also need the answer to this one. My first pregnancy I opted not to test (this was with a midwife). The second pregnancy with a doctor we just couldn't get around the test  for GBS. The test returned positive so began a terrible round of antibiotics, including IV antibiotics at birth (a pain in the arm). Anyway I am now fighting candida overgrowth I believe is a direct consequence of getting into the antibiotic treadmill. I would tend to think your hypothesis is correct. It should be less of a problem....but
Has anyone heard of a antiseptic rinse they are using in Europe to counter GBS infections?
Listenin...
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: MissusLeata July 29, 2006, 12:31:29 PM
To my understanding, babies can pick up GBS in the birth canal, whether or not there was prolonged rupture of membranes. They say that it may even be possible that it can cross intact membranes. 

The test is not very invasive, just a vaginal swab (maybe a rectal culture also). If I were to only pick one or two of the normal tests to be done during pregnancy, this is one I would pick.

I've read that GBS is the leading cause of neonatal infection and death, and it is so preventable. My cousin lost one of her babies to it because her Dr. failed to ever mention the test to her.

If you test positive, standard treatment is simply antibiotics during labor.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: a_new_creation July 29, 2006, 12:39:16 PM
If you test positive, standard treatment is simply antibiotics during labor.

My midwife said she has a natural remedy including echinacea (I think) instead of the antibiotics.    Right now I am making sure I get extra doses of probiotics hoping I will just test negative and not have to deal w/ any of it! :)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: MissusLeata July 29, 2006, 12:56:55 PM

I'm also RH negative.  The shot won't prevent the blood from mixing, but it makes it so your body doesn't produce antiobodies to the babies' blood if they do happen to mix.  It's only a concern if the baby is RH POSITIVE.  Which is usually the case, if your hubby is positive.  The problem won't occur with the first pregnancy (necessarily) that the blood "mixes," but it's subsequent pregnancies you have to worry about.  I personally know of someone that has brain damage from having the blood transfusions as a newborn because their mother was RH negative.  Without the shot, the baby can have anemia, and sometimes so severely that it needs a complete transfusion.  The problem is that your bodies' reaction is worse each subsequent pregnancy.  (From what I understand).  Personally, I think the RH antibody shot is one of the best medical breakthroughs of our time.  I've never heard of any problems from it.  Could you point me to some sites where you got the info about mercury and blood contamination?  Thanks :)

I had a miscarriage last month and opted for the Rhogam shot. When I studied midwifery, they sort of did the scare tactic on us that it's a blood product and maybe not safe and all. But after losing a baby, the thought of losing others because of refusing a shot was just too much.

The statistics I read say that 10,000 babies died a year from hemolytic disease of the newborn (or whatever it's called when babies are born 'blue' because of blood incapatability) before the Rhogam shot was invented.

And if someone is woried about mercury in the shot, there is a brand called Rhogam ultra-filtered. I think it's made by Johnson and Johnson. It's advertised as mercury-free.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT July 29, 2006, 01:15:28 PM
Does anyone know the difference between testing positive for GBS through a urine sample and testing positive through the vaginal swab test? It seems to me if the GBS is in the urine, how can it get to the baby? If someone tests positive in their urine, does that automatically mean that they have it in the birth canal too? Just wondering?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: nursegirl July 30, 2006, 05:10:56 PM
Thanks, nursegirl, for the suggestion. That helps a lot. I am 32 weeks today, but my next appt with my midwife is not until I am 35 weeks. should I call her and ask her about the retest over the phone before my next appt? my other question is, should I also ask to have the vaginal swab test done as well as the urine test?
Since you said that contamination from the outside usually wouldn't cause colony levels that high, does that mean that I probably should have the IV? Sorry for this long list of questions..I'm just trying to sort all this stuff out.. :-\thanks so much

Okay, I want to make sure I don't say anything wrong or incompletely, so this may be a long reply.

First, I found a website called www.groupbstrep.org.  It has lots of great information and would probably be a big help to you.  One thing I discovered on that website is that the problem in having GBS is that your baby could come into contact with it during birth and develop GBS disease.  This can result in lots of nasty things, which you can read about on the website (I'll warn you though, they make it sound pretty scary.).  They listed several risk factors that contribute to GBS disease.  One of them is having a positive vaginal swab.  Another is having the bacteria in your urine.  My understanding is that the baby doesn't become exposed to GBS if it's only in your urine, but that if the bacteria is there, it's probably in the birth canal, also.  Make sense? 

The website also recommends that screening be done at 35-37 weeks.  Considering that, and the fact that you've already been on antibiotics a couple of times this pregnancy, I would definitely ask about another test.  I would think you probably need both the urinalysis and the vaginal swab.  As for calling ahead and requesting it, that depends.  It might be nice for the midwife to know ahead of time so she can have all the supplies ready for your appointment.  I think you could go either way, though. 

As for whether or not you should have the IV, I would make that decision based on the new test results.  I totally understand your reluctance.  I had to have IV antibiotics with my first because of GBS, and it caused her to have thrush.  However, I really feel that the benefits outweigh the risk.  I'm not a doctor, however, and I certainly don't know everything about your situation and history.  I would be careful to take a high-quality probiotic both before and after the birth, to help repopulate your gut with good bacteria.  And PRAY!  Pray that the Lord would remove the GBS before the test, and keep you free of it.  If that doesn't happen, pray for His protection over you and your baby.  He is able to prevent any harm from befalling you.

I hope I answered your questions.  Please understand that all of this is just my gut feeling, based on my experiences and research.  I pray the Lord brings you peace, healing, and a wonderful and safe birth.  God bless!

Sarah 
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers July 31, 2006, 09:48:30 AM
I just tested positive for Strep B and I am 36 weeks pregnant. There is so much good information on these threads, I don't know where to start! I came up positive with a vaginal swab. (ARGH, I wish I had refused the test!) What does everyone think is the quickest and most effective way to come up with a negative swab. I plan on asking my midwife to re swab next week because I want to be sure that I am positive before I pump myself and my baby with antibiotics. My husband thinks he is allergic to penicillin so I don't want to risk that in case the baby is as well. I've had difficulty with the midwife because I tried to refuse the diabetes test, she said she would report me to the medical board of the hospital. If God blesses us with another child, my husband and I are going the homebirth route. This hospital stuff is too stressful.   :-[
Thanks for the advice. When the midwife told me I was positive, I didn't know enough to ask many questions and the the questions I did ask, I wasn't please with the answers. I held back tears as I walked to my car and called my husband. But, after my husband took me out to lunch (what a good guy, he left work because he knew I was so upset and took me out), I felt better because I knew that I would find good information and advice on this website. This website is truly a blessing!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: SC July 31, 2006, 10:25:22 AM
I like to be armed with as much information as possible before I deliver. This means that I allow blood draws so that I can be tested for anything that is changeable. Blood pressure, blood sugar and group B Strep are just a few of those items. These are things that I can and will address with diet and supplementation.

On the other hand, we refuse tests that will give us information that we cannot or will not change: I.E. testing for genetic defects.

Considering that we are paying for the service, I ask pointed questions and pick my doctor's brain. I let him/her know up front that we are proactive about our health and want to be informed of his/her opinion and recommendations -- even if we don't agree. Of course, I come prepared with my questions so as not to use too much time.

My favorite questions are: "What will happen if we do nothing?" "What are the other options for care?" "Is there an alternative medication?" "I want to avoid ________. What can we do in light of this fact?" And if the doctor feels too uncomfortable with these questions, I ask, "Could you recommend another practitioner that is familiar with/comfortable with these issues?" Even if I don't take the advice, the doctor knows I respect his training and years of study.

It's amazing the difference in the level of care we now receive. When a health care practitioner knows that you are taking responsibility for these decisions, they are much more at ease (not fearing a law suit). The visits become more of a consultation. I think they make better recommendations when they aren't on edge.

If a test will give me information I need to make better decisions for myself and my baby, I cannot roll my sleeve up fast enough.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 01, 2006, 08:54:38 AM
Okay, after some research, I have decided that I am going to have my midwife, re swab and do a few things to see if the test comes out negative. I am going to do some of the suggestions on this thread but I also read that soaking a tampon in a solution of tea tree oil and olive oil can work if done three days before the swab. However, I have read that using tampons can cause early labor...any information. Also, this is kind of personal but I am also considering using garlic vaginally but  :-[ I'm afraid of not being able to get it out. Is that silly? I would greatly appreciate any advice. I desperately do not want to take the antibiotics for many reasons.
My husband and I also decided that if this test comes out positively than that is God saying that we should take precautions, I'm just not sure the IV antibiotics is the best. I'm not due till the end of the month, do you think oral antibiotics would work? I don't want to be confined on a bed during my entire labor. Also I read that some midwives will use chlorhexidine to wash during labor and that kills GBS. Anybody know anything about that?
Thanks a bunch.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: petrimama August 01, 2006, 11:21:46 AM
I was in the same situation last pregnancy and I was told that oral antibiotics would not kill beta strep, and that my only option was the IV.  Please post if you learn anything good or if the chlorohexidine turns out to be something worth considering.  I've never even heard of it!!)  I am getting my GBS test next Friday and am dreading another positive, so I would love to be prepared!!           ~L
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 01, 2006, 03:44:56 PM
Here are some links that I have found, I hope they can be helpful to you. I'll be praying that your test is negative.

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbsAlt.html
http://www.mothering.com/articles/pregnancy_birth/birth_preparation/group-b.html
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbs.html#Oral
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT August 02, 2006, 02:33:15 PM
My husband and I also decided that if this test comes out positively than that is God saying that we should take precautions, I'm just not sure the IV antibiotics is the best. I'm not due till the end of the month, do you think oral antibiotics would work? I don't want to be confined on a bed during my entire labor.
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this nasty GBS thing. I have some experience in this area because I tested positive also. I have been asking a lot of the same questions as you.
If you are worried about yeast developing from the anitbiotics, then oral antibiotics aren't the better choice over the IV. I talked to a homebirth midwife about this and she said the affects of the IV abx are much less on your system because they are only administered over a short period of time (a few hours during labor) but with oral anitbiotics, you could be taking them at high doses for weeks, which would wreak more havoc on your system and probably kill of more good stuff than if you just got it all at once during labor.
I was also told by my midwife that you wouldn't have to be confined to the bed. You can have them put the IV on a pole so you can walk with it and there is another method called a heparin lock which is like a little tube taped to your arm so you have free range of motion and your not on a pole type thing. My midwife even said if I wanted to get in the shower or tub, they could just put a glove over the hep lock and I could get wet without problems.

I hope this helps in your decision. I am struggling with trying to get a retest from my midwife also. I tested positive for GBS in my urine at 5 weeks, and at the time of the results, she told me that they won't even do the vaginal swab at 35-37 weeks because they "know I'm already colonized." So right now I am 33 weeks and I am trying to muster up the courage to ask her to do another urine test and a vag swab to see if I have knocked it out with natural means. If I do test positive with a restest, I will probably just go with the IV just because I am too afraid of what would happen if the baby did get GBS. But that is just me..hope my info helped out. Good luck!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT August 03, 2006, 04:13:54 AM
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: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 03, 2006, 04:29:47 AM
Thanks for the reply and the support. My husband and I have been able to find some peace about this situation. It is scary to think about what would happen if our baby got GBS but so is what could happen if the baby becomes antibiotic resistant. It is just sad, that even going to a midwife, they will try and convince you that you don't know what you are talking about. The thought that someone would threathen to take away your child because you are attempting to make an informed decision, a decision that differs from their opinion is just wrong.
When we found out that I was pregnant we thought that having a midwife in a hospital setting would be best for our first child, but we were wrong. However, we are learning from our experience ( I won't say mistake because if we can learn what not to do then there isn't a mistake) and planning on having our next baby at home.
If I were you, I would persist on taking another test, following some of the recommendations on this thread. Just tell your midwife that you want to be sure that you are positive before you take all of those antibiotics. You aren't denying treatment, you just want to be sure.
Thanks for the advice about the IV and hep lock as well. That really made me feel better if this test comes out positive again.
Jessica
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT August 03, 2006, 04:41:34 AM
I know what you mean about the midwife acting like you don't know what is going on. I have had a hard time getting straight answers from her. It is frustrating. I would love to do a homebirth next time..we'll just see what God allows though.  By the way, have you tried the garlic glove intravaginally yet? I want to try it, but I am also afraid of it getting stuck, or of it migrating it's way up to far to the cervix? Is this something that could happen, or will it stay where I put it? And what about burning? Does it burn when it is in there? Any thoughts are welcomed.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mrs. JDT August 03, 2006, 04:52:18 AM
I just wanted to say, Thank you so much, Nursegirl, for all the great info and advice. I really appreciate everyone being so willing to suggest things and give personal experiences to help others out. Thanks again to everyone who replied. I will see my midwife tommorrow and am going to ask her to do the retests (urinalyisis and vag swab) and see what happens :-\. I am a little nervous because she REALLY thinks i need to have the IV...but I will pray for the Lord to direct the conversation. Thanks again.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 03, 2006, 07:38:24 AM
No, I haven't tried the garlic yet. I read you should do it three days before the exam and my appointment is on Tuesday. However, I am terrified that it is going to burn or get lost as well!  ??? I'd love for any advice about using garlic vaginally. I was debating using a tampon soaked in a tea tree oil solution because I know that I can get that out! However, I am afraid that would burn as well and garlic seems more natural. My husband think I should use the garlic and it is my choice. He said he doesn't envy that decision! Haha. With the tampon, I've heard that can send you in to early labor, not sure I want that either. (I haven't had my baby shower yet!)Hopefully, someone will have some advice or experience. I'll be praying until then!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: mishy August 04, 2006, 01:51:28 AM
I've used a garlic clove sliced in half.  I just stuck it in so it was still peeping out because I was using it for the bartholin gland.  I had no painful burning sensation.  So, go for it!  :)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 04, 2006, 02:44:56 PM
There are a few threads on GBS to check out on this site...maybe HB can put them all together. I have read a little bit on a vaginal rinse of chlorhexidine that midwives use. I haven't found too much information though. I would think it would be less invasive than antibiotics.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: healthybratt August 04, 2006, 03:00:47 PM
HB didn't realize until just know that Group B Strep, Strep B in Pregnancy and GBS were all the same thing.   ;D

I just merged all three topics and changed the name to make searching a bit easier.  ;)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 04, 2006, 03:07:34 PM
Thanks HB!  :D
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: petrimama August 05, 2006, 11:17:10 AM
I don't know anything about the chlorhexadine, but I'm guessing the antiseptic approach would only be acceptable BEFORE the water breaks.  Anyone know the details?  I want to talk to my midwife about other approaches to this problem, so the more details I have the better.             ~L
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 07, 2006, 12:20:51 PM
Well, I had some disappointing news, my midwife said that she could retest for GBS but even if the test is negative, the hospital still requires treatment.  >:( So, now my goal is to prevent a yeast infection. I haven't had trouble with yeast but two IV's full of antibiotics seems like a lot for a little baby. I've decided that I need to order Tummy Tune Up...any recommendations as to what strength? I currently take a lactic acid yeast pill, Super Mom and digestive enzymes. We can start getting raw milk again this week  ;D, so I plan on making beet and cabbage kvass. I think I am also going to try making yogurt. We make the cream cheese to get whey. I eat a ton of garlic in my food and raw. Do you think there is anything else I should be doing?
Also, my husband is allergic to penicillin but I am not. However, I am worried about the baby's reaction. The nurse didn't seem to concerned but I'm not really reassured by their advice. Any advice from you guys? Thanks in advance.
Jessica
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: SC August 07, 2006, 12:54:41 PM
my midwife said that she could retest for GBS but even if the test is negative, the hospital still requires treatment.

Jessica, there is a discrete way that you can double check this information. Call the hospital where you plan to deliver and ask them their policy regarding a mom that tests negative for GBS having previously tested positive. If they confirm what your midwife said, then you don't have to mention it.

If they contradict her, get the information in writing if you can and share it with your midwife. They might have changed their policy and she hasn't been notified. Sadly, there is the possibility that she just doesn't want to be bothered with further testing and is practicing lawsuit preventative medicine. Either way, information is your ally. Asking questions keeps you informed.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 07, 2006, 01:10:40 PM
Thanks for the advice SC. I will call first thing in the morning. I never thought to do that. This site is the best.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: limamiga August 26, 2006, 08:08:00 AM
Hello!  I am group B strep + and have been for my last 3 babies.  I'm 22 weeks pregnant right now and have recently finished my 3rd round of antibiotics for a UTI at the STRONG urging of my doctor.  I tried to convince her to let me try something natural but no go.  (I have no symptoms - the infection is group B strep in my urine).  So, they will be giving me the IV antibiotics at delivery and my question is this:  how can I combat thrush in my baby?  When and what type of probiotic should I take? 

I have had antibiotics with each of my 4 previous deliveries and ALL my children have had thrush which is sooo annoying.  I am only starting to learn about natural remedies so in the past we've always used something such as Nystatin for the thrush.  Each time I've been on a round of antibiotics this pregnancy I have taken Ultra Flora Plus DF with (2 strain) 15 billion organisims per serving (powder).  This is rather pricey at $25 per 67 day supply and after having read the lastest Beeyoutiful newsletter, I'm wondering if the Tummy Tune Up 6 or the Original blend would work, and which would work better?

Also, if the baby does get thrush, what can I do at home ???
Thanks for any help you can give!

: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: TruthSeeker August 26, 2006, 09:24:14 AM
I was group B strep positive with #3.  Thankfully by the time I got to the hosp. there was no time for antibiotics before baby came.  They just watched him an extra day to make sure he was fine, and he was.  Much better than antibiotics. I preferred that over antibiotics anyway.

As far as thrush, my friend's baby had it so I did a search on this forum.  I found lots of remedies that worked, some better than others.  I don't know how to post a link otherwise I would  :-\  So, I recommend doing a search.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers August 26, 2006, 10:27:27 AM
I also tested postive for strep B, but not in my urine, just a swab at 36 weeks. Anyway, there is a great thread on Strep B under pregnancy. I would read the information there.

http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1716.0.html

As for trying to prevent a yeast infection and thrush, I've been taking Tummy Tune Up-Orginal Blend since I found out I was postive. I have also been making my own yogurt and have been eating it for breakfast every morning. I'm hoping this will be enough. Good luck.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Bethany September 03, 2006, 05:54:20 PM
the hospital still requires treatment.  >:(

Just remember that, when it comes down to it, it's still your decision. You can choose to do what you want and offer to sign a release or an AMA (Against Medical Advice). It's still your body, your baby, and your responsibility.  :)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Julia September 26, 2006, 03:45:24 PM
You might try this:

http://midwiferytoday.com/articles/garlic.asp

: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: nursegirl September 26, 2006, 06:24:29 PM
That article is extremely interesting and informative!  A must read for any woman with GBS or yeast infections.  Great find.

Sarah
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: likemanywaters December 17, 2006, 10:54:53 AM
Here's my experience:

1st baby: tested GBS + at 36 weeks. IV antibiotics during labor. I ate 1/2 cup of yogurt daily. (that was all I knew to do at the time). Shortly after coming home from the hospital he did briefly have a diaper rash that cleared up in a week or two. No signs of oral thrush though. Around 9 months my son developed eczema and still has it at 3 years.

2nd baby: tested GBS + at 36 weeks. Did everything I knew to do naturally to get rid of it. Yogurt, ecchinacea, garlic orally and vaginally, tea tree oil tampons and baths. I was also taking blue cohosh b/c I was a week and a half overdue.  Since I was overdue I had my midwife reculture me and I was still positive. She does a vaginal/rectal swab. Had IV antibiotics during labor. Developed a patch of ringworm shortly after leaving the hospital and at the same time my baby had a blistering diaper rash. :-\

Looking back, I did not understand the true importance of the delicate internal balance of the flora of the intestines. I did not understand that sugar and refined grains feed yeast and contribute to those types of problems. So while I was treating the symptom with natural means, I still did not understand to stop eating sugars and refined grain foods. I was trying to kill the GBS while still feeding the bad bacteria.

So, for the next one I plan on:
-avoid all sugar and refined grains
-get plenty of high dose probiotics and fermented foods
-Homebirth with no tests or meds. OK, DH, get ready to catch!

It seems that if I understand GBS, the risks I am taking, the diet factor, the hygiene factor, and just in case, what to look for in a baby that might be having GBS complications and what to do for that, then I will be headed in the right direction. I look foward to one day birthing with no IV, no monitors, no strangers, & no harrassment!

By the way, it was mentioned earlier that the state would have taken charge of the baby if the mom had not consented to the hospitals treatment. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! You must decide what is right for your child and INSIST ON IT. Whatever state you are in, hospitals and doctors may threaten such action, but it is in violation of your constitutional rights!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4lilkeepers January 04, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
I have GBS according to the doctor.  I was never tested for this with my last three pregnancies.

I am currently on Ampicillin and will probably be on this round of antibiotics when I actually go into labor.  Why on earth do I need IV antibiotics when I am currently on the oral form? 

Secondly, will my taking the probiotics aid in keeping my baby from getting thrush or worse?  It's kept the diarreah and yeast infection away for me through all of this.


It's strangely comforting to know that I'm not the only one wrestling with this issue.  I just don't see the URGET necessity in filling a child who isn't even out of the womb with a potentially harmful antibiotic.

Any info or answers to these questions would be most helpful!

Thank you
4lilkeepers ??? ???
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Jemima February 01, 2007, 08:36:59 AM
Ok, I know this should be the least of my worries,  :o  but those of you who have had an IV in labor, does it hurt? Besides the first prick, I mean? I'm probably a big wimp, but never having been in the hospital for any procedures besides my prenatal appointments, and knowing labor will be tough enough, I hate the thought of something stuck in my arm. 
 Yes, I tested postive for group b strep, and my dr. said I'll have to have an IV in labor.  :'( No, no, no!  I can't see much way around that, so I'm trying to accept it and work around the other things. Then the obvious worry of the baby's immune system getting messed up from the abx. Those who've had it, does it make labor worse?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama February 01, 2007, 08:59:23 AM
Maybe I shouldn't tell you this ::) but I hated having the IV in during labor. Not that it was so painful, but it was just a nuisance...and then too they won't let you out of bed which leads to a catheter :P ( I declined and insisted that they just put a port in so that I could get up as soon as the antibiotic was all in)  :'(
but then again if you have to do I would say just relax it isn't an huge deal...actually that ****** blood pressure cuff is what I really hate. It always inflates in the middle of a contraction :P
I think if I were in your situation -again :P- I would do some of the natural stuff suggested here and ask/demand a retest on the GBS.

And in reply to another question...in our case IV antibiotics did not equal thrush. My boys never had thrush at all while quite a few homebirthed babies I know of struggle with it for months  ???
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Jemima February 01, 2007, 09:15:07 AM
Thanks, boysmama. Although your IV experience was not the most encouraging...  ;D  I've been trying to do some research on it, and found out that you can sometimes get a "hep lock" IV, where you aren't connected to any cords. Sounds a little better....
Also,what would happen if I refused the antibiotics?? Would I dare, for baby's sake?  
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: LoveSunflowers February 01, 2007, 09:19:46 AM
I believe that taking the probiotics will help prevent yeast problems in the baby.My baby had on a little yeast diaper rash that I took care of with Coconut oil. I was on an IV as soon as I was admitted to the hospital, until I gave birth. ( 12 hours) I was first told that you only needed two bags of the antibiotics but they said I needed to have continuously until the baby was born. I was pretty upset but my husband kept turning the IV down!  ::) The nurse couldn't figure out why the drip kept slowing down! The funny part was I didn't realize he was doing that until I was pushing because I saw him tinkering with it and said, it's not time to play with that stuff, I need to get the baby out! Haha!
The IV during labor is more annoying than anything else, not painful. When it was first started it was burning so they lowered the dosage at a slower rate, that felt better. I was allowed to get up and move as I pleased. Not as easy with an IV but possible. My husband just moved the poll for me. I even spent a couple hours in a bath tub.
I was told that you couldn't refuse the antibiotic, the hospital would not allow me to deliver there and they would report us to the hospital board....
Praying if God blesses us with another little one, we will deliver at home.
Hope that helps!
Jessica
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Jemima February 01, 2007, 10:11:32 AM
I'm answering my own questions here, but I thought I'd post this it might help others...
I just talked to a midwife of my friend (she lives on other side of the country or I'd be using her!) who is awesome and very well experienced. She said she doesn't even test for GBS, since it comes and goes so much, and she didn't see it as being much of a risk. It would become a concern is if your membranes ruptured before full term, but otherwise full-term, healthy mothers she saw no need for antibiotics. (Yay!!) I'm thinking I'll refuse them and see what kind of reaction I get from the Dr.   ::)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: westernmama February 01, 2007, 10:40:25 AM
I know what you're going through.  I was positive with 2 out of four pregnancies.  The first positive I had in the hospital with an IV antibiotic.  It hurt something fierce - felt like it was grinding on my bone or something.  Then, after all that, the labor was so fast they said the baby didn't receive the antibiotic.  With positive number two, I had the baby at home 3 months ago.  My midwife had me do a vaginal cream, which I believe was antibiotic.  At my ds circumcision, my pediatrician said that the cream probably did no good, either.  He used to be an ob doctor and said they just simply watched the baby for the first few hours.  He is a wonderful, Christian doctor who used to be with Wycliffe Bible Translators overseas.  So I think I can trust his opinion.  And he pretty much thought the antibiotic doesn't really help.  So, if it were me, I think I'd see what they'd do if I said I would refuse it.  But if they will report you, etc., I'd go ahead with the antibiotic.  As for my IV, I think it hurt simply because of who put it in.  With the pregnancy following, I asked my doctor if I could refuse an IV since I was GBS negative.  He let, bless his heart, even though he went against hospital protocol. 
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: mamasboys February 01, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
My midwife gave me the option of testing this last time.  I tested negative my last 3 so I didn't think it was necessary to go through the test this time.  She said it comes and goes and even if I tested negative now, I could have it at birth and vise versa.  She also said that the baby getting it was rare but they used IV antibiotics as a precaution because if the baby gets it, they can get very sick.
She recommended (and I did) I take garlic, probiotics and vitamin C the last month to combat any possible infection.
Anyway, thought I would pass that along to those wanting an alternative to oral or IV antibiotics.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: likemanywaters February 01, 2007, 03:10:49 PM
I'm answering my own questions here, but I thought I'd post this it might help others...
I just talked to a midwife of my friend (she lives on other side of the country or I'd be using her!) who is awesome and very well experienced. She said she doesn't even test for GBS, since it comes and goes so much, and she didn't see it as being much of a risk. It would become a concern is if your membranes ruptured before full term, but otherwise full-term, healthy mothers she saw no need for antibiotics. (Yay!!) I'm thinking I'll refuse them and see what kind of reaction I get from the Dr.   ::)

You go girl!! I was THIS CLOSE to refusing them with my second baby, & I wish I had. (see earlier on this thread) BTW, nobody can force you to do this. I don't think hospitals can have such policies. I know I asked about it and I would have signed a waiver saying they informed me of the risks and I was refusing AMA against medical advice, but be firm and I don't think legally they can make you.  I'm just through with the whole medical system! (but don't get me started)  >:( Next one will be at home with DH catching!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: MotherOfBlessings February 01, 2007, 04:02:11 PM
OK here is my experience.  I have delivered 5 babies in the hospital and am planning a homebirth for #6 (due in April). 

First, the hospital can never FORCE you into any treatment.  Talk to the Patient Advocate.  You can go to the hospital and ask to speak to them.  Check the admissions office.

Second, just wait longer to go in.  The antibiotic IV is supposed to be in for 4 hours before the baby is born to be effective.

Third, do your research on GBS.  GBS is in the bodies of ALL people.  We are considered to be "infected" when the count is over a certain number.  I wish I could give you all the sites I read but lost them when my PC crashed.  :-[  Of women who are "positive" a small number will stay that way when it is delivery time.  A smaller number will actually pass GBS into the skin of their baby during birth.  An even smaller number of babies will have GBS enter their body and and even smaller number will be sick.  Just observe baby closely for the first 48 hours after birth.  Research can tell you what to look for.  If I remember right it was a sucking sound while breathing.

So I ignored the Dr, was ready to flat refuse the IV, and came in so close to the birth there was on time for anyone to argue with me.  We watched the baby closely and everything was fine.

After baby #2 I refused: pain meds, IV's, hep locks, restriction to bed, and the ban on eating/drinking.  The nurses don't like it but it is not their body or their baby.  They can't refuse to treat you.  Talk to the patient advocate.  They are there for you.

I will be glad to answer any questions you have.
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: 4lilkeepers February 02, 2007, 02:43:53 AM
 ;D :D

hubby and I are taking when I deliver, (hopefully within the next 48 hours! :-\

Great advice!

4lilkeepers
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: MotherOfBlessings February 02, 2007, 09:17:10 AM
Praying for a safe delivery and smooth recovery!  :)
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: lynn February 02, 2007, 09:45:34 AM
FYI, I have seen babies die from GBS.  It's really nothing to mess with.  A little yeast infection is a lot easier to treat and deal with than a very sick or dead baby.  Sure chances are everything will be ok but it's not a gamble I'd take.
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: K.Sarah February 02, 2007, 09:56:42 AM
I tested positive for this for the very first time with my 5th baby.  I was really surprised, since it had never been a problem before.  However, they didn't have me on oral antibiotics beforehand.  The plan was to put me on the IV when I came in, but there was concern since I have gone into labor and delivered so quickly before, that there would not be enough time for both rounds.  In the end, I went in with an abrupted placenta two weeks early and had an emergency C, so I only got one round before they decided to deliver, and probably not even half of that.   I have heard that it IS pretty important to know what you are looking at, since you don't want yours to be one of the ones that gets seriously sick, but if you are well-informed and sure of what you want to do, then it's probably like many of the other health decisions you make -- what's best for your family.  I second the "wait longer to go in" idea for more than one reason -- it's just more convenient, and you have more control. 

As for the IV during labor, I have had one for. . . well, to be fair, we'll say 2 out of 5, since my first 2 were induced and you obviously have an IV for that.  2 others were sections, 1 was perfectly my way.  Anyway, it's a bother, but not one you can't handle.  I really hate it, and want it out ASAP, but in the middle of labor it's not what I was thinking about.  Really, it doesn't bother me at all in labor, just afterward when I'm wanting to be free to hold my little one. 

Hope all goes well!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4lilkeepers February 02, 2007, 12:46:03 PM
personally, my husband and I have prayed about this and researched medical journals, and statistics and compared studies that have been done and there are just as many risks in having the I.v as there is in not having the I.V..

1. Baby could be allergic to penicillin

2. in 88-91 % of GBS infected babies, the babies are resistant to the meds used to treat it after their born if  mom had an I.V. antibiotic during labor and delivery.

3. there is a SLIGHT chance that MANY things could happen to the baby during labor and delievery, but we can't treat them ALL. Why not just treat the ones that happen alot more often?

4.Since treating for "possible " GBS colonization in laboring women, there has been a huge rise in babies who are born with e-coli- infections because the antibiotics didn't allow the good bacteria to flourish in their new little systems and many babies are sick and die from this.

5. In our own research of people we know around us and online, we have discovered that many women have children with very yeasty babies and excema and allergy problems.

6. If your dr. tries to treat you with Ampilcillin before the baby is born, you might wanna thing about looking at the ACOG and CDC sites.  They don't recommend it, yet O.B. still do it. (mine did).

7. Treating with intrapartum antibiotics doesn't guarantee that your baby won't develop late onset so there's still a risk later on.

I guess what I'm saying is there's risks for ALOT of things and I've stressed out over this for weeks, but have decided that when the chances are so small of it actually happeneing, I need to weigh the possible consequences of adding another drug to my body and my baby, very carefully.

To me, it's something you need to research, for yourself and make the best decision for your family. We don't need scare tactics imposed on us by dr.s and peds.. We just need to be well informed. Let's face it, People have gone years without this test being preformed and they knew about it in the 1970s!   ???

I also wonder why they treat this so drastically when a woman can be positive one day and negative the next?

Also, if you go to the hospital admissions, you should be given a "Patients Bill fo Rights" pamphlet which says that you have the right to refuse any treatment you don't deem appropriate.  We made sure we got names and a copy of this to include with our birthplan.  The OB is not happy, but, I'm her employer, so I really don't care.


Just my thoughts.....

4lilkeepers
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: Julia February 11, 2007, 11:11:26 AM

By the way, it was mentioned earlier that the state would have taken charge of the baby if the mom had not consented to the hospitals treatment. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!! You must decide what is right for your child and INSIST ON IT. Whatever state you are in, hospitals and doctors may threaten such action, but it is in violation of your constitutional rights!!



Well, you'd sure THINK that you would have the right to decide what is right for your child, based on a simple understanding of the constitution and the principles the USA was founded on, but the scary thing is that the state really can take your kids away if you don't take the medical action they think is necessary. I doubt any hospital is going to let you get away with refusing antibiotics in labor, because they have to cover their behinds legally. Your only way to avoid them that I can see is to go crazy with the antiviral herbs before the GBS test to make sure you don't get it, or have a homebirth or some sort of midwife who will let you choose. See this post: http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,5225.msg53473.html#msg53473
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: Sonja April 07, 2007, 08:09:56 PM
Well, I'm not pregnant, but recently had a urine test that came back with a postive Group B strep culture.  I think the number was 30,000!  Can someone recommend a good webstie to tell me more about this and how to naturally cure it.  I will try the cranberry juice.  I'm already taking yeast assasin/probiotics because I thought I had a yeast infection which  I still think is part of the problem.  Dr. recommends antiobiotic but I don't want to do that. 

On a side note, I have a cousin who almost lost her son to group b strep.  He ended up losing some fingers and toes over the deal and has several other complications that just make life that much more inconvenient.  She is now an advocate for the Children's Hospital after all she went through.  I believe he is about 8 years old now.

Thanks!

Sonja
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: neeno June 18, 2007, 03:53:04 PM
I am expecting our 10th baby and have had a homebirth with a midwife for all but the first three.  This time our midwife convinced us to be tested for Group B Strep and we found out today that the test was positive! :-\  Does anyone have any suggestions/comment/ideas about alternatives to an IV antibiotic during labor?
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: happyhomemaker June 18, 2007, 04:27:36 PM
I've never had it with either of our kids...but I have heard and read that it is very serious. I've heard stories where baby is born ok (without I.V. beacause of fast birth)) and was healthy, but died in a matter of hours. I'd be interested in what you find out, as #3 is on the way for us.  ;D
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: herbalmom June 18, 2007, 04:32:07 PM
There is already a thread on this:

Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy  (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2054.0.html)
(this thread has been merged into the original topic)

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: Melie June 18, 2007, 04:34:19 PM
I declined the test this time and my midwife said she was not concerned because of the amount of garlic and probiotics and keifer I was taking.  Not that I'm saying that I think you should not be concerned.   I really don't know much about it.
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: neeno June 19, 2007, 06:09:56 AM
Thank you--couldn't find the thread yesterday.  Everything was very helpful!!
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: africamissy June 19, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
unfortunately I believe most drs and midwives believe that iv antibiotics during labor is the best treatment.  I have a friend whose baby came down with it and was treated and is ok, but she was not on iv when she delivered.   Your midwife will probably have a very strong opinion on what to do.  You shouldn't have to be in the hospital for the iv.  I would think your if your midwife wants you to have it she could do it at your house.  I believe the risks of baby contracting the infection is pretty low with or without antibiotic treatment
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: cecac June 19, 2007, 06:32:22 AM
I have a friend who tests positive for it.  Her last homebirth she had the baby's blood drawn right after birth (there was a midwife present that was trained to do it) so that they could confirm quickly if the baby had strep in the blood.  She also douched with some things, and she is pregnant again and told me she would do the same this time around.  I can get that info if you need it.  She had to use a different midwife this time, and so the blood drawing won't be done.  I personally would be a bit nervous about it, particularly if I had tested positive.

I had strep b with my first birth.  Nasty bug if you actually come down with it!!  My baby was given a penicillin shot just to make sure--she had strep b on the skin.  She is perfectly healthy.  When I go to the hospital (I've had 9 births, some home, most not) I just go ahead and get the 2 doses of antibiotics.  In Texas, you have to, and there's no pressuring the hospital (I tried!!).  I've never tested positive for it.  I figure better me than baby.  But if any of my babies have to get a shot like my first, I'd do probiotics for the first year.  I do that anyway nowadays.

I did not play it safe when I had homebirths.  My labors were short, and my water bag never seeped.  The midwives had to break the bag when delivering.  I never run fever, either.  So, my midwives were comfortable with no antibiotic.  If I had had any of the above things, we had agreed that I would be given antibiotics, or if there wasn't time, I may would have chosen to give the shot to the baby.  But I was never faced with that decision.

Lord bless you with wisdom,
Cara
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: kentuckymommy June 19, 2007, 06:56:54 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that there are many false positives, but not false negatives. So, you possibly are not positive. I tested positve with my third and was actually found to be negative. I always take garlic, GFS extract, and echinecea. Just be careful with the amounts of garlic as you can hemorrage from the afterbirth bleeding. My midwife in Texas had a women have this happen. It is shown that antibiotics before labor are unaffective and that the benefits of antibiotics during labor are few. Talk to your midwife and discuss all of your options. Also, try the natural regimine and then get retested if possible. Best of luck!
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: jennyrose August 12, 2007, 05:57:29 AM
I'd like to share about my experience with GBS.  We have four children but I tested positive for GBS before my third birth.  We were guilty of neglecting to do our own research and asking the Lord for discernment before taking my then midwife's advice. 

Our son was either allergic to penicillin or he just had a horrible reaction because he has suffered since he was just two weeks old with many problems.  He was healthy and thriving  well for the first two weeks until the antibiotics had opportunity to kill every good bacteria in his immature immune system.

He had yeast from head to toe (itchy red rash), chronic diarrhea (approx 21 diapers per day) that left his bottom raw as if someone scratched his newborn skin off with their nails.  He cried night and day and sometimes wouldn't even breastfeed for two days. His body wouldn't take in nutrients therefore he didn't thrive for the next 6 months.  He was so sickly and helpless.  He was miserable and so were we.  He was treated with several rounds of diflucin (sp?) and we carried him to many doctors (sometimes two per day) knowing he needed help but not fully understanding what was wrong.  The medical community wasn't any help.

Now our sunshine is almost three and we have had plenty of discouraging days that have driven us to much research but his system is still not the same.  He suffers from many allergies and we have come to believe that his immune system is severely damaged.  He has eczema, insomnia (when not given many supplements) and abnormal stools.  After many tests,  we feel this is all part of a Candida issue beginning with the overdose of antibiotics. 

As we were preparing to give birth to #4, you bet we had many questions.  My new midwife said there are front page articles in her midwifery magazines on these very issues and that mom usually suffers just as much.  These antibiotics are not necessary and that is why she tests the blood for GBS.  She said that is when GBS should be considered.  She also had remedies to help rid of it and we took those precautions (cleanses before and during labor).  She tested our new baby immediately after birth and then also told us what to look for. 

I must tell you, around 85% of women are testing positive for this at some point and we believe the medical system is missing something huge here.  We have our own responsibility in discerning what's best for us without simply agreeing to something based upon what the medical community thinks is right for a short period of time or based upon a few horror stories(as grieving as they are).  We listened to the medical community w/out bothering to seek the Lord's direction and we unmistakably made the wrong choice.  Please consider antibiotic implications to our newborn babies.
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: grocerygetter August 12, 2007, 11:21:36 AM
I would second that opinion :) I too (and my ds) am dealing with the fall out of taking an antibiotic in my second pregnancy due to a Dr. recommendation to treat Strep B.
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: mommie August 30, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
so does taking a good probiotic actually help? is strep b similar to a yeast infection?
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: healthybratt August 30, 2007, 05:54:47 PM
so does taking a good probiotic actually help? is strep b similar to a yeast infection?

Bacteria and yeast are constantly in competition for real estate in your body.  The good bacteria are the ones that you want to dominate in order to starve out the offending invaders.  I don't know much about GBS, but I do know that probiotics are good to help the body to fight all kinds of bacterial infections including strep, staph, ecoli, and salmonella.
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: YoopreMama October 13, 2007, 05:09:32 AM
Bumping...for other's input...

I had IV antibiotics in labor (and for weeks after--infection from tear) w/ #2 (PROM, 2+ days, internal exams, in hospital) and he had a week of antibiotics after birth.  He has had immune system issues, too...I ate store yogurt (that's all I knew in '01)...he had toe fungus as an infant...I think gluten issues now...(mostly healthy, lots of probiotics and good eating).  I'm still waiting to see if I was GBS positive from the hospital records I requested...I don't know.  ??? 

I also had PROM w/ #3 (6 days), but no exams, no fever, no infection (also birthed at home).
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: BJ_BOBBI_JO October 13, 2007, 05:28:30 AM
I had strep B when preg. I knew how it could or could not lead to blindness in the baby and death. Back in the old days ,before they knew such things as strep B existed, their babies who got infected via labor because of the strep B went blind or died.

But some babies do and some don't have those bad things happen when they get infected. I did not want to take the chance  and risk possibly ending up with my baby dying or becoming blind.

  On the other hand my baby could have been born just fine without the IV treatment so who knows. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do and do it the right way. I was in too much diabolical dreaded pain during labor to care about how the IV felt. 
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: homesteadmommy October 27, 2007, 03:38:07 AM
This is a treatment plan if you know you are already GBS+.  It was developed by a pregnant woman in San Francisco, and it worked! Her midwife has also used it successfully with other women. She says it takes about three weeks to obtain negative cultures, but she could see that it was working weekly, bc each culture showed less growth.
Twice a day with breakfast and dinner:
acidophilus- 4 billion cells per dose http://www.vitacost.com/JarrowFormulasJarroDophilusFOS here is a link for the one I have used. It has been VERY effective, and VERY affordable! Less than $17 including shipping!
echinacea- 350 mg capsules- two capsules ( I got these @ Walmart for about $4, I think)
garlic- 580 mg capsules- two capsules, and ALL YOU CAN EAT! (I bought these @ Walmart too.)
Vitamin C- 500 mg with 200 mg bioflavonoids ( I just took 1500 mg of C spaced out during meals...Walmart yet again)
Grapefruit seed extract- 15 drops (I didn't use this, but another midwife added it who has used it successfully) I couldn't find a reasonable price for it at my local health food stores. It would have cost me more than everything else combined! But I used everyting else and it worked!

Another midwife told me many women have used oregano oil. She said it has always worked. (Another item a little too pricey for me.) 

Now if all else fails and you are positive at birth, don't worry...the main reason for infection in the hospitals is repeated vaginal checks and premature breaking of the amniotic sac. Leave you bag of waters alone (I'm sure your midwife knows this already) and if it does break early and you are concerned, go to your local drug store and pick up Chlorhexidine. I can't remember the exact mixture, go to http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/gbs.html#Lavage to see if they give the info. I believe it is about 1 part Chlohexidine to 9 part water in a peri bottle and you just rinse with it during labor about once every ten hours or so. (Hopefully your water will not be broken that long) Not only does it kill the GBS, but it also kills E. coli. I don't know why hospitals don't use it. (It's only a few dollars at the drug store and it doesn't carry the problems and side effects of antibiotics!)
gentlebirth.org/Midwife is a great site for any questions you may have on ANY topic.
God Bless! I wish you the best at your homebirth! You are going to love it!
I found this on the first page and I just had a question.  I have never had a group b test. My first baby was in the hospital and the next two were at home.  I don't think I will get one with this baby either but I would like to do this for preventive measures - how soon do you start doing it before the baby is dues?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: cecac November 08, 2007, 11:22:50 AM
I hope I don't repeat.  I'm going to add some information about GBS that I've gleaned from my OB and also from a friend who tests positive and does homebirth.

My experience is that I was GBS with Baby #1, she received penicillin after birth.  I had 102 degree fever and was just sick.  Therefore, as far as the medical community is concerned, I'm a carrier.  I've never tested positive.

It is generally understood that GBS comes and goes, therefore, even if a lady does test negative after a positive, according to my doctor, there is no guarantee that it won't be present at birth.

My OB told me, as has another doctor, that if I were his wife, I'd be getting the antibiotic.  Then, as we discuss it further, he tells me more.  I can refuse antibiotic at the hospital (news to me!!), but we will need to check with the baby's doctors, or they may push hard to put penicillin in the baby.  My OB has agreed to check with the neonatologist this time around.  I would want treatment (even when I homebirthed I was this way) if:  I had seeping water bags, any fever, long labor.  Only had seeping bags with #1, and I did have GBS.

My OB said that NOW, with all the BLANKET antibiotics routinely being given to women, they are dealing with e-coli.  :o :o He also said that he'd sure like to see if the number of babies dying/affected by GBS has significantly gone down since the beginning of this blanket antibiotics.  He said he bet not.

GBS in infants, according to my OB, is rare.  The thing is, as he points out, if it was my baby, and I had refused antibiotics....... :'(  That, IMO, is what's hard.  But, as he also pointed out, people die.  So, some of it, IMO, was what he is saying, is perhaps a bit too much of an overreaction.

 :'( I weep for those who have lost a baby to this.  They would likely tell us to be very careful.  I am sorry for any parent reading this that is in the situation of having already dealt with it.  I weep for and with you.

My friend is going to get me the name of a douche solution that she mixes with water and douches with at the end of pregnancy.  She tests positive, and last time her midwife had her do this douche (I think at about 35 weeks) twice the day before the test, and once the morning of the test.  She was tested in the afternoon and tested negative.  She also douched with the solution about twice a week until delivery, and in labor.  She told me today that she would need to douche every six hours with this in labor.  My friend always delivers in two hours or less.  Just did so five weeks ago and only had to douche once.

Her midwife has taken blood from one of her babies to ensure within 24 hours of birth that there is no GBS in the baby.  She also told me today that our pediatrician (and he's a reasonable pedi that doesn't push vacs and has been doing this for 30 years) also says you have to monitor at about 4 months.  It can appear then, too, in the baby.

I will post the name of the solution from the pharmacy if my dear friend will get it to me.  She says the douche is no big deal, very simple. 

HTH and adds something,
Cara

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: *MommaJo* December 27, 2007, 05:25:51 AM
Ok, I read all through this thread and I think I missed something.

When am I supposed to start 'inserting' garlic?  You know, at what point in my pregnancy?  I'm 36 weeks and  have already been tested for Beta Strep.  I'll get the results at my appointment on Jan. 2nd.  I was postive for the last two deliveries.

And, when should I start taking probiotics?  Is that to help me now or to help after I've been given antiboitics?


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: Simply Kristen December 27, 2007, 06:10:17 AM
I would do this:
http://midwiferytoday.com/articles/garlic.asp

and then be re-tested if your results come back positive (from the recent test).

As for Probiotics....they can't hurt to take them now. I would....... if I had a history of testing positive for Group B.
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: earthymomof2 December 27, 2007, 08:26:07 AM
MommaJo. 

Probiotics are always good, for now to balance your natural flora, but I would think especially important for replenishing the good bacteria after you've been given the antibiotics.  If there's much of an imbalance, you and the baby could both get thrush (very unpleasant from what I hear)  which could be a real bummer.  So even getting the baby some probiotics ASAP after she's born will help prevent that too.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: *MommaJo* December 27, 2007, 09:37:16 AM
Thanks girls!

Now, off to take a probiotic!

:)


: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: heatheronthehill December 27, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
Ok, I read all through this thread and I think I missed something.

When am I supposed to start 'inserting' garlic?  You know, at what point in my pregnancy?  I'm 36 weeks and  have already been tested for Beta Strep.  I'll get the results at my appointment on Jan. 2nd.  I was postive for the last two deliveries.

And, when should I start taking probiotics?  Is that to help me now or to help after I've been given antiboitics?


My GBS experience:  I tested positive at 36 weeks.  I began taking probiotics (two TTU8 every day), cleaned up my diet big time (no sugar, very low carbs), inserted garlic vaginally for three nights.  I was ready to get re-tested at 39 weeks after all of these measures, but the docs refused to re-test me.  They said that they go by the 36 week test, no matter what.  They also couldn't quantify the GBS culture in any way so I could no just how bad it was.  I was annoyed, but kept up with the diet and TTU8.  I went into labor at 41 weeks and had prolonged rupture of membranes with leaking, got a very high fever after 12 hours of labor, so I agreed to have the antibiotics.  Due to the fever/exhaustion/infection, I ended up with my labor arresting at 9 cm.  I had to transfer to the hospital and get an epidural and pitocin to continue.  After giving birth, I continued on high doses of probiotics and thankfully have not had thrush problems.  I did get a yeast infection though.  :P

I talked to my midwife and she suggested that the next pregnancy, I am stricter on the no sugar/low carbs throughout and that I take probiotics during the entire third trimester, or even beginning in the second as a preventative measure.  I'm hoping I won't have all of these problems next time around.

TIP for GARLIC inserted vaginally -
Wrap the whole, unbruised close in a piece of gauze (you can peal off the fuzzy part) before inserting it.  Leave a little bit of the gauze hanging out.  This will make it easier to remove and you will still get the full strength of the garlic.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: YummyChicken February 13, 2008, 12:28:35 PM
HI! Anyone know HOW this bacteria gets inside? My Midwife told me last night its just something OUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT..ok..but HOW does it get inside the vagina? Im just curious..thanks!!
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: healthybratt February 13, 2008, 12:44:58 PM
HI! Anyone know HOW this bacteria gets inside? My Midwife told me last night its just something OUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT..ok..but HOW does it get inside the vagina? Im just curious..thanks!!
Sex.
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: beppyjo February 13, 2008, 02:06:44 PM
HI! Anyone know HOW this bacteria gets inside? My Midwife told me last night its just something OUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT..ok..but HOW does it get inside the vagina? Im just curious..thanks!!

 I was told that this a normal bacteria that everyone has. Some people aren't able to keep the bacteria "in check" and so have too many colonies of the bacteria. If you have too much of the bacteria then you are considered a "carrier" of GBS. I had GBS with my first 2 and this is what the midwife told me with my second. To support that theory, with my first 2 I hadn't started my journey towards healthy living (thought I had but I am learning!). Between 2 & 3 I did lots of probiotics, healthy foods, etc..... While pregnant with #3 I did probiotics and healthy eating (once I was able to keep stuff down) and I was not a GBS positive.   I don't know how accurate this info is but it might help you with your research.........
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: healthybratt February 13, 2008, 04:13:59 PM
HI! Anyone know HOW this bacteria gets inside? My Midwife told me last night its just something OUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT..ok..but HOW does it get inside the vagina? Im just curious..thanks!!

 I was told that this a normal bacteria that everyone has. Some people aren't able to keep the bacteria "in check" and so have too many colonies of the bacteria. If you have too much of the bacteria then you are considered a "carrier" of GBS. I had GBS with my first 2 and this is what the midwife told me with my second. To support that theory, with my first 2 I hadn't started my journey towards healthy living (thought I had but I am learning!). Between 2 & 3 I did lots of probiotics, healthy foods, etc..... While pregnant with #3 I did probiotics and healthy eating (once I was able to keep stuff down) and I was not a GBS positive.   I don't know how accurate this info is but it might help you with your research.........
All people have this bacteria normally, but it's found in the digestive system and can be moved from rectum to vagina by wiping wrong or more commonly by the motions of intercourse.  It's not uncommon to move these bacteria from one place to the other or from husband to wife, but if the flora in the vagina is in order they will most likely not affect things, but will die off, but if you've ever had antibiotics or other things to upset the natural flora of the vagina, then they (GBS) will have open fields to take root and multiply.

This is also most often the cause of bacterial vaginosis.

http://www.cdc.gov/groupBstrep/docs/GBS_Patient_Info.pdf (http://www.cdc.gov/groupBstrep/docs/GBS_Patient_Info.pdf)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: prairiechild February 14, 2008, 06:35:42 AM
I'm reading "Good Germs, Bad Germs" by Jessica Snyder Sachs. Here is what she says about GBS...

...Preparations for the human-microbe alliance begin before birth. Midway through pregnancy, a hormonal shift directs the cellls lining a woman's vagina to begin stockpiling sugary glycogen, the favorite food of the plump, sausage-shaped bacteria called lactobacilli. By fermenting the sugar into lactic acid, these bacteria lower the pH of the vagina to levels that discourage the growth of potentially dangerous invaders. These threats include the occasional intestinal bacterium that might stray from anus to vagina, then overgrow and spread into the uterus to cause a pregnancy-threatening infection. The acid-secreting lactobacilli also provide partial protection against the sexually transmitted bacteria N. gonorrhea and Chlamydia trachomatis, which can cause blindness in newborns infected during passage through the birth canal.
     Some vaginal lactobacilli also produce hydrogen peroxide, essentially the same fizzy sanitizer that mothers pour on scraped knees. These extra-aggresive lactobacilli are particularly effective at beating back the growth of group B strep. Commonly found in the vaginas of women who lack hydrogen-peroxide producing lactobacilli, group B strep remains a leading cause of infant mortality. Each year in the United States it causes thousand of life-threatening cases of pneumonia, meningitis, and blood infections, primarily in babies under one month of age.  Because the natural protection of lactobacillus is far from foolproof, western obstetricians routinely put women who test positive for GBS on antibiotics during labor. Ironically, previous courses of antibiotics (for unrelated conditions) are often to blame for allowing GBS to move into the birth canal in the first place - for these drugs tend to disrupt the woman's protective lactobacilli.
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: Jemima February 14, 2008, 07:33:59 AM
H'mmm... interesting article there... as well as your comments, HB.  But, grrr, this makes me all confused again on what route I should take with this second pregnancy! ??? Last time I refused antibiotics till my water had been broken for over 24 hours....

What makes it so hard for me, is that while I'm inclined to just skip the test, skip the antibiotics, on the other hand, I've recently had a yeast infection (vaginal) and a day of throwing-up kind of flu... Sooo... I think, all the good bacteria is probably wiped out, as HB said, making me a prime candidate for GBS postive. And I've got about 6 weeks left.  What would YOU do? ???
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: healthybratt February 15, 2008, 07:12:37 AM
H'mmm... interesting article there... as well as your comments, HB.  But, grrr, this makes me all confused again on what route I should take with this second pregnancy! ??? Last time I refused antibiotics till my water had been broken for over 24 hours....

What makes it so hard for me, is that while I'm inclined to just skip the test, skip the antibiotics, on the other hand, I've recently had a yeast infection (vaginal) and a day of throwing-up kind of flu... Sooo... I think, all the good bacteria is probably wiped out, as HB said, making me a prime candidate for GBS postive. And I've got about 6 weeks left.  What would YOU do? ???
Some have mentioned throughout the thread possible treatments to prevent use of antibiotics.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: mommie February 23, 2008, 06:43:34 PM
I haven't read what your exact situation is but it seems like 6 weeks is plenty of time to kick it. From my understanding you can test positive at 36 or 34 weeks or whenever they have you take  it and it could be gone by the time you have the baby or vice versa test negative but it could come...I don't see the test being done that early as being very helpful imo. I would do the garlic up your vagina and several suggestions here...
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: Mrs.Visser February 29, 2008, 08:57:48 PM
Okay, I hope someone can answer this question for me. If you use some of the natural treatments for GBS before your test and you test negative, will you remain neg or will you have to redo the natural treatments before your due date? What if you early or late?
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: heatheronthehill March 01, 2008, 12:54:27 AM
This is something you will really have to discuss with your OB or midwife because it very much depends upon how they will handle the situation, and many do things differently.  GBS definitely comes and goes.  You can test positive at 36 weeks, but at 40 weeks be negative, and vice-versa. 

I tested positive and then had some problems with it at the birth of my child (fever, PROM) even after continuing probiotics, though I had discontinued garlic internally.  Talking with my midwife afterwards, she advised that the next pregnancy, I should be more aggressive against it the entire pregnancy.  I found out LATER something that could have saved me all that trouble, and now I'm kicking myself about it.  I knew that women were supposed to "wipe" front to back after using the bathroom, but it's been my habit since childhood to go back to front.  Well, that probably continually re-introduced the bacteria to the birth canal despite all of the measures I was taking.  I feel so dumb that I didn't realize that.  Anyway, I've since been reversing my habit and I think next time around things will be different for me.  HTH
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: mamatomany March 01, 2008, 02:40:18 AM
Okay, I hope someone can answer this question for me. If you use some of the natural treatments for GBS before your test and you test negative, will you remain neg or will you have to redo the natural treatments before your due date? What if you early or late?
GBS definetely comes and goes tehy call it being "colonized."  If you start a regimen to obtain a negative result you must continue with it until the birth of the baby.  If you have ever tested positive (with any of your pregnancies IMO, you should consider yourself positive.  There has been a lot of talk about retesting, to obtain a negative, but the real issue is not passing this onto your infant.  You have to ask youself "what am I trying to accomplish?"  Do I want a negative result so I don't have to go through the round of antibiotics when I go into labor and not really consider that maybe you are positive and can still pass it on?  I'm in the same boat here.  Some pregnancies were negative, some were positive.  I have used what is outlined in the Heart and Hands book to maintain a negative  environment.  I have not been tested at all with this pregnancy, and am confident that what I am doing and will continue will keep the "environment" free from GBS.  My last pregnancy I walked in dehydrated and advanced they literally squeezed a bag of antibiotics in me and they have to wait I think 3 or 4 hours to do the second bag.  Well I didn't last.  They ended taking the baby to the NICU for a a round of antibiotics.  I was negative with that pregnancy at 36 weeks, but positive urinie culture the day before I delivered  >:(  I don't know what to make of the whole thing - I just know I'm havin a home birth with no antibiotics and I am doing what I need to do to try to protect the baby from this potentially deadly issue.
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: cecac March 01, 2008, 05:05:07 AM
If you decide to go untreated after a negative test at 36 weeks, you could see if your midwife (or a partner midwife) is able to take blood from your infant right away.  They can check for it's presence within the first 24 or so hours.

I have a friend who is positive unless she treats herself.  She homebirths and has handled it that way once.  This last time she used a douche with something from the pharmacy and tested negative.  She did the douche in labor as well to insure that the birth canal was clean at birth. 

HTH,
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: prolifeguyswife February 04, 2009, 05:46:35 PM
I tested positive for GBS last week. I didn't have it with my first two kids, and to be honest, reading this entire thread has just about given me panic attacks, reading about what could happen to my baby.

I am a homebirther, and my midwife wants me to try vitamin c and a garlic douche for a few weeks, then we will retest. I can't take vitamin C and echinachea together because I'm allergic to the combo.

I read several references to a low-carb diet on this thread, and I'm wondering how to do that while pregnant? I'm a firm believer in whole grains for health, and I don't know if a low-carb diet is even safe during pregnancy.

Also, is there anything else I can do for my GI tract to make the colonization numbers go down?

And, if I test negative right before birth, is my baby out of danger?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama February 05, 2009, 12:46:42 PM
Besides the douche I would also try high doses of probiotic orally and some inserted vaginally as well. Not just any probiotic will do here. Get a really potent, multi-strained brand...
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama February 05, 2009, 12:47:32 PM
I forgot to say...start on the probiotic slowly! Work up to the highest dosage on the label.
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: kilikina February 05, 2009, 02:04:48 PM
I was positive for GBS with my last baby.  He is 3 mos. old now.  It was a home water birth.  I did change my diet (cut sugar and carbs) for the last 6 weeks before my due date.... but it ended up less cuz he came early  ::)    To help keep the colonization low, I took a LOT of supplements.  I took garlic, propolis, vit. c, and grapefruit seed extract.  I also used gse in coconut oil inserted and later switched to garlic.  I did take acidophilus blast as well.  All this was BEFORE I tested positive. :P  I did however continue it until he was born (although I alternated vit. c and propolis each week, since I didn't want him to be dependant on the vit. c).  I was not retested, so I don't know if it was gone by the time he was born...  ??? 
My water started leaking before he was born, (He was born 48 hours after it started leaking) which increased the risk.  I had decided to get the antibiotics (my midwife had an IV ), but by the time I was definitely in labor, and the midwife was coming, it was less then 2 hours before he was born.  So, I never got the antibiotics.  :-\
We watched him and took his temp. twice a day for the first 3 weeks, and once a day after that.  We had been praying (since we found out I was pregnant) that GBS wouldn't be a problem, because I had been positive w/ the 2 babies before him too (Those were hospital births with antibiotics.)  He never had any trouble from it... no fever, no breathing trouble, etc.  PTL!


  I would think that if you retest and it is neg. you would be okay for the birth, because they would have taken a neg. at 36 weeks to be enough.... KWIM?

 I hope this answers your questions.  :)
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: CarlyB February 05, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
I had a positive GBS test with baby #3 and later found out it was a false positive because I had a yeast infection. I didn't know that would have mattered. I have not had a positive one since then and I have had 2 more children. Good Luck.
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: prolifeguyswife February 05, 2009, 06:58:34 PM
Kilikina, Boysmama, and CarlyB, thank you SO MUCH for your replies. They made me feel a lot better. DH even asked me today if we had to go to the hospital because of the GBS, so his doubt shook me up a little! But midwife says we'll be OK, and I wrote down the supplements you took, Kilikina, so I can ask my midwife if I can do the same thing.

How did you cut carbs and still eat whole grains? Did you cut them completely, or just reduce? Thanks!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: petrimama February 06, 2009, 04:02:21 AM
I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but douching during pregnancy can be dangerous, so I suggest clearing it with your MW first. 
Also, beta strep comes and goes.  It is usually latent, so it is not detected on swabs, but your body will still carry it.  It is only transferable if you are active during the birth, and even then the risk is slim.
I have looked into all of the methods on this entire site and many others, (including the national GBS foundation) for curing GBS but the only guaranteed method is to receive IV antibiotics during the labor.  Like I said, the risk of anything going wrong is very slim even with no intervention but I just wanted to put it out there that there is only one proven method of avoiding cross contamination from your system to the baby's.  Obviously there are drawbacks to this method as well.  Perhaps you could get tested again closer to your due date in hopes that the infection will have subsided after your other efforts.  Most infections only last a few weeks anyway, so there is a good chance.  ~L
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: kisbaba_1 February 06, 2009, 05:06:44 AM
just wanted to throw in my 2cents.  i was gbs positive with all three of my births and chose to take the antibiotics all three times.  one was a home birth, one was a water birth, and the antibiotics didn't interfere with either one.  i did *everything* to try to get a negative test - echinacea tincture, vit c, garlic, probiotics, vinegar bath, you name it.  when the tests came back positive, i was bummed, but dh and i decided it was better to be safe.  it really wasn't a big deal to get the antibiotics (hep lock), and fortunately, i never had a problem with yeast/thrush.

all that to say, if you do choose the antibiotics, you can still have a wonderful, natural birth.  it did not diminish my birth experiences at all!

hth,
laura
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: ~esposita~ February 06, 2009, 06:02:12 AM
I tested positive for GBS last week. I didn't have it with my first two kids, and to be honest, reading this entire thread has just about given me panic attacks, reading about what could happen to my baby.

I am a homebirther, and my midwife wants me to try vitamin c and a garlic douche for a few weeks, then we will retest. I can't take vitamin C and echinachea together because I'm allergic to the combo.

I read several references to a low-carb diet on this thread, and I'm wondering how to do that while pregnant? I'm a firm believer in whole grains for health, and I don't know if a low-carb diet is even safe during pregnancy.

Also, is there anything else I can do for my GI tract to make the colonization numbers go down?

And, if I test negative right before birth, is my baby out of danger?

Not having read the other responses, I'd recommend taking baths with apple cider vinegar in the water (1/2 - 1 c for the whole bath).  I'd do that before a douche.  Also, you could insert a garlic clove vaginally overnight for a bit.

HTH!!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: kilikina February 06, 2009, 12:56:18 PM

How did you cut carbs and still eat whole grains? Did you cut them completely, or just reduce? Thanks!



I didn't cut whole grains out completely. I ate Ezekiel bread.  ;)   I didn't want to compromise the baby's nutrition.
It was a lot like the third phase of the Maker's Diet. 

I hope that helps  :)

: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: petrimama February 06, 2009, 01:23:15 PM
just wanted to throw in my 2cents.  i was gbs positive with all three of my births and chose to take the antibiotics all three times..... you can still have a wonderful, natural birth.  it did not diminish my birth experiences at all!
I totally agree.  ~Layla
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: kilikina February 06, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Do those of you who do unassisted births test for GBS?  If so, how do you handle it?  If not, have you ever had a baby that got GBS?

I am curious, since I have had it 3 out of 4 times and we may not always be in the US and have access to midwives  ;)

Thanks!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: prolifeguyswife February 09, 2009, 09:08:23 PM
Is it possible to have a homebirth and get the antibiotics?

I just read on the american pregnancy website that being GBS+ increases your chances for stillbirth? I've read many, many websites and books on this subject, and that's the first I've heard of it! It's getting so, so hard not to worry about this.

For now, I think I've settled on just "rinsing" with a peri bottle, using the solution my  midwife wanted me to douche with. I just mixed up a batch of GOOT - I thought maybe getting garlic into my body would help?

I'm trying Phase III of the Maker's diet (no white flours or sugars), taking Vit. C, and I also have an apple cider vinegar/garlic mixture I found in Aviva Jill Romm's pregnancy book that I'll take 1/4 tsp twice a day.

I'm also going to take acidophilos. I'm really new to this natural treatment stuff, and hoping that I'm at least on the right track!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama February 10, 2009, 04:49:52 AM
It depends on the midwife, the state, her backup doctor....but yes, some midwives will use oral and others do an IV during labor.
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: prolifeguyswife February 17, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
 :-\ I just found out my midwife can't do an IV at home. I also feel like I have UTI now, which I read can be caused by the GBS. A bunch of scary websites about GBS also claim that GBS can cause a stillbirth??? I'm generally a more "anxious" person, and I really want this whole thing to get better ASAP!

Has anyone tried bee propolis for treating GBS?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama February 17, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
Have you tried a garlic clove suppository?
http://midwiferytoday.com/articles/garlic.asp (http://midwiferytoday.com/articles/garlic.asp)

My husband and I decided to use a chlorahexidine rinse during labor as well.
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbsAlt.html (http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbsAlt.html)

A few posts back someone used propolis as part of a supplementation plan to reduce colonization.

Also, did you read the links provided in the previous pages of this thread?
Here is a balanced article. PLEASE read this article to help bring things into perspective.http://www.mothering.com/articles/pregnancy_birth/birth_preparation/group-b.html (http://www.mothering.com/articles/pregnancy_birth/birth_preparation/group-b.html)
There is a good balance of information both on the seriousness of GBS, ways to  reduce GBS before and during birth, and what to watch for in the baby. I suggest reading through this thread carefully on a day you don't feel panicked and taking notes on what the people here have done.
Then maybe you can follow some of the same...immune boost supplements, probiotics, garlic clove suppository, and a retest. Then be watchful for premature rupture of the membranes, fever during labor, early labor, etc....

You have to decide between your husband and yourself what is best for your situation. Stress for sure is not good.  ;)
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: ~esposita~ February 17, 2009, 03:24:24 PM
good post, boysmama!

@ prolifeguyswife:  I've had talked with with multiple midwives for my 4 pregnancies and while all of them were aware of GBS and all tested for it, the majority of them said that it is a little silly to test for GBS so soon before birth:  you can be positive one day and negative the next.  If there is a concern, from what I have heard, it is best to test for it directly prior to delivery. 

Since you have tested positive, I would recommend taking a deep breath, reading this thread while taking notes on treatments of and prevention of GBS and do those natural treatments for the rest of your pregnancy.  (ACV and garlic work wonders! - At least they did for me.)  Then, during your final days of pregnancy your midwife can check again for GBS to ease your mind; if you still have it, you THEN can decide what to do. 

Remember that the majority of the warnings are made as a precaution for what could possibly happen to a very SMALL percentage of women; don't let the scary websites scare you - you've not been given a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a SOUND MIND!!  ;D
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: yasmine February 18, 2009, 04:51:46 AM
I do not know if this is really bad or not, but during the last 5 babies I've had at home I have never had a strep test prior to delivery. Had all of them fine and the labors went fine, sooo I do not know if its really neccesary . But I will say this. When the hospital gives you the antibiotics, I have heard the argument that the antibiotics are actually not in you long enough to make a difference at that point. Just my 2 c  ....
   I wonder if you delay your test immediately prior to birth, which   they like to do, how can the medicine do its job? :-\
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: Julia February 18, 2009, 05:44:05 AM
I elected to get the test. I couldn't see any drawback to taking it. My insurance covered all but a couple dollars of it and I was able to do the swab myself. GBS would be a nasty thing for a newborn to have.

I ended up finding out that I had tested positive for it the day before I went into labor so I didn't have a chance to try to get rid of it or take the test again. Thankfully I was having a homebirth so didn't have to get the IV antibiotics. However, a friend who had a hospital birth did tell me that it was just a shot of antibiotics and then she was able to get off the IV - probably depends on the hospital.

My midwife just had me go out and get some Hibiclens. I think the actual name of it is chlorahexadine. It's used as an antiseptic and was found in the first aid section. It's about $6 at Wal-Mart for more than you'll ever need. She had me put it in a peri-bottle (1 oz. to 8 oz. of water) and spray the whole area down there to kill the bacteria. That was at the beginning of my labor and I would have had to do it every 6 hours if my labor went on that long. I never had any side effects.
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: boysmama February 18, 2009, 07:54:14 AM
We decided not to test for our last birth because in our state a positive test legally requires treatment. They can't require you to  test, and a midwife is not liable if you do not test. If you do test she has to either treat you or not render the service of birthing care.
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: Simply Kristen February 18, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
I elected to get the test. I couldn't see any drawback to taking it. My insurance covered all but a couple dollars of it and I was able to do the swab myself. GBS would be a nasty thing for a newborn to have.

I ended up finding out that I had tested positive for it the day before I went into labor so I didn't have a chance to try to get rid of it or take the test again. Thankfully I was having a homebirth so didn't have to get the IV antibiotics. However, a friend who had a hospital birth did tell me that it was just a shot of antibiotics and then she was able to get off the IV - probably depends on the hospital.

My midwife just had me go out and get some Hibiclens. I think the actual name of it is chlorahexadine. It's used as an antiseptic and was found in the first aid section. It's about $6 at Wal-Mart for more than you'll ever need. She had me put it in a peri-bottle (1 oz. to 8 oz. of water) and spray the whole area down there to kill the bacteria. That was at the beginning of my labor and I would have had to do it every 6 hours if my labor went on that long. I never had any side effects.

From what I understand, this is exactly what they do in European countries AND there is no difference in GBS baby illness. (vaginal cleanses vs antibiotics).
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: ArmyWife February 19, 2009, 01:42:03 PM
Well, I just got back from my 38 1/2 wk apt., and found out I tested positive for GBS-- NOT what I wanted to hear, of course.  After my apt. with the midwife, I went down to speak to the pediatrician about the "treatment" given to the baby when the mother is GBS +.  She said that if I received the dose of IV antibiotics  4 hrs. before the baby is born, they consider it to be treated.  If, however, it hasn't been 4 hrs., then the baby is committed to at least a 48 hr stay.  They draw blood and do a CBC (something Blood Count) then add some type of solution to the blood and check it at 24 hrs. to see if any bacteria has grown.  If so, then they go ahead and start the baby on antibiotics.  If not, then I guess they'll release the baby after 48 hrs.  My labor with my last baby was about 4 hrs. total, so there's a possibility this labor will go even faster, besides, I don't really want to go to the hospital at the very beginning of labor in hopes that I'll get the IV in time to consider the GBS treated. 
All this to say, I'm wondering if using the Hibiclens at home during the first part of labor, or maybe even in the next few days before the birth, would decrease the chance of the baby getting sick from the GBS (and any bacteria growing in the blood they draw) assuming I don't get to the hospital with 4 hrs. to spare before the birth.  Any thoughts about this?  Oh yeah, I also found out that they won't strip the membranes when you're GBS+, something I was kind of counting on for "planning" when I'd go into labor (and thus when we'll have our parents come up to TN from FL to hopefully be here to stay with our girls when I go in). 
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Simply Kristen February 19, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
About decreasing the GBS bacteria transmitting to your baby:
Women who test POSITIVE for GBS, have about a 1% chance of their baby getting it.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: ArmyWife February 19, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
About decreasing the GBS bacteria transmitting to your baby:
Women who test POSITIVE for GBS, have about a 1% chance of their baby getting it.

So, do you think it's worth it to try to "treat" it myself and see if they'll retest me at my next apt?  Or just leave it as is, let them do the bloodwork, and not be too worried about bacteria growing in the blood/solution, in your opinion  ;) ?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: kilikina February 19, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
Well, I just got back from my 38 1/2 wk apt., and found out I tested positive for GBS-- NOT what I wanted to hear, of course.  After my apt. with the midwife, I went down to speak to the pediatrician about the "treatment" given to the baby when the mother is GBS +.  She said that if I received the dose of IV antibiotics  4 hrs. before the baby is born, they consider it to be treated.  If, however, it hasn't been 4 hrs., then the baby is committed to at least a 48 hr stay.  They draw blood and do a CBC (something Blood Count) then add some type of solution to the blood and check it at 24 hrs. to see if any bacteria has grown.  If so, then they go ahead and start the baby on antibiotics.  If not, then I guess they'll release the baby after 48 hrs.  My labor with my last baby was about 4 hrs. total, so there's a possibility this labor will go even faster, besides, I don't really want to go to the hospital at the very beginning of labor in hopes that I'll get the IV in time to consider the GBS treated. 
All this to say, I'm wondering if using the Hibiclens at home during the first part of labor, or maybe even in the next few days before the birth, would decrease the chance of the baby getting sick from the GBS (and any bacteria growing in the blood they draw) assuming I don't get to the hospital with 4 hrs. to spare before the birth.  Any thoughts about this?  Oh yeah, I also found out that they won't strip the membranes when you're GBS+, something I was kind of counting on for "planning" when I'd go into labor (and thus when we'll have our parents come up to TN from FL to hopefully be here to stay with our girls when I go in). 


I had a baby in the hospital (2 years ago) and I was given antibiotics, but he was born less than 4 hours after.  So, they had to check him for GBS.  They said he was positive (not sure if I believe it, since they say that to everyone my midwife brings in.... even if they didn't test positive at 36 weeks, so.... ???)  Anyway, he had to get antibiotics, but it is NOT just oral antibiotics.  He had to get injections twice a day for his first week of life!  It was terrible.  It would have been much better for me to have gotten the antibiotics in time, than to put him through that.   We had been planning a home birth, but ended up at the hospital and......  well, we are glad we had the last one at home!  ;D
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Simply Kristen February 19, 2009, 04:24:56 PM
About decreasing the GBS bacteria transmitting to your baby:
Women who test POSITIVE for GBS, have about a 1% chance of their baby getting it.

So, do you think it's worth it to try to "treat" it myself and see if they'll retest me at my next apt?  Or just leave it as is, let them do the bloodwork, and not be too worried about bacteria growing in the blood/solution, in your opinion  ;) ?

Well, if I tested positive I would certainly treat myself.... not only for another test.... but also for my baby.
The test isn't super reliable because the bacteria can come and go (even if you test negative at 37 weeks you could  be positive at birth... but no one would know).
If I were having my baby in a hospital and they were demanding a negative test result or antibiotics I would DEMAND for another GBS test next week.
I'd do garlic inserts (read somewhere else in this thread), yogurt douches... or whatever it is people do... No sugar in my diet, etc. I think I remember searching for a "test negative for GBS" and I found a program.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Julia February 20, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
About decreasing the GBS bacteria transmitting to your baby:
Women who test POSITIVE for GBS, have about a 1% chance of their baby getting it.

So, do you think it's worth it to try to "treat" it myself and see if they'll retest me at my next apt?  Or just leave it as is, let them do the bloodwork, and not be too worried about bacteria growing in the blood/solution, in your opinion  ;) ?

Yes, I agree with KristenA, there's no drawback to treating yourself with Hibiclens, it is as easy as pie, of course it probably kills the good bacteria down there, too, but it's only once or twice, speaking of that you would need to do it every 6 hours, not sure why, but that's what my midwife said to do.

But if they won't retest you, then you would still have to get the IV antibiotics, right? But at least if you didn't get them in time for the 4 hour deadline, at least you could be pretty sure that your baby doesn't get it and have to have antibiotics.

I know that the baby can only get it once your water breaks, so I wouldn't have them break your water if that's an option, so the baby can stay in that sac for as long as possible. And avoid cervical checks if at all possible.

There is a midwifery today link I posted in this thread a long time ago, it says that garlic inserts could possibly reverse a positive result.

It is kind of silly because a person could test negative at 36 weeks or whenever they give the test, and then be positive during their labor and not know it, then the baby would be at risk anyway. 
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: ArmyWife February 22, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
I picked up the Hibiclens today, at my cousin's recommendation also.  I'll see tomorrow if they'll retest.  And if they won't, then I may refuse the antibiotics during labor, since I am hoping to not be at the hospital for 4 hrs before the birth.  I know things can happen, but hopefully I'll be able to stay home most of the time and go in later on.  With my 2 girls, my water didn't break until I was ready to push.  Thanks for the advice about the cervical checks.  If the baby's born less than 4 hours after I get there, then whether or not I get the antibiotics won't change that they'll do the bloodwork on him.  First step though is to try to get a retest tomorrow, AND get the results back from them quickly.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: prolifeguyswife February 22, 2009, 05:17:26 PM
ArmyWife - I really recommend reading this article http://www.mothering.com/articles/pregnancy_birth/birth_preparation/group-b.html that boysmama posted earlier in the thread. It really helped me make my decision, and there were a ton of studies and links to back it up.

I decided to do a "rinse" with a peri-bottle (not a douche) every time I go to the bathroom by blending 5 cloves of garlic with 1 C of yogurt with active cultures, and warm water. I blend it in the morning and use it throughout the day. I also decided to take Bee propolis, Vitamin C, and a probiotic every day (I would take echinacea, too, but I'm allergic). I'm trying to avoid sugar (didn't do too well today!  ::) ) and yeast. I'm drinking lots of kefir, too. I'm using GOOT on my feet, just to get it into my bloodstream, and drinking 1 T apple cider vinegar everyday... just trying to cover all of my bases. I'm doing all of this stuff to kill the bad bacteria and encourage the good. I hope your appointment goes well!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: yasmine February 24, 2009, 05:51:07 AM
Excellent article, very enlightening.... As I have said previously I have never tested for the Strep, and with all the chatter I said,,,hmmm should I do it this time\? I will still choose not to again, since I will be home , Lord willing, and I do not see a doctor through my preg,so It doesn't make sense..... I feel confidant more now though!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: ArmyWife March 01, 2009, 03:28:38 PM
Well, the retest I did on Monday came back neg., so apparently the Hibiclens worked.  Wish I had known about it before my first test...  Unfortunately, I think they will probably still go with the first test, even though this one was more recent.  I have an apt tomorrow, which is my due date, and I'm really hoping that they will at least be willing to strip the membranes for me.   I really didn't think I would be making this apt.  Maybe tonight it'll happen...  Anyways, I would definitely recommend washing with the Hibiclens before your first GBS test.  I picked up a bottle from Kroger for $7.50, but I'm sure it would've been cheaper at WAlmart.  I didn't realize that I'd have to ask the pharmacist for it, that it wasn't just on the shelf, so that's why I didn't get it at Walmart (the pharmacy was closed when I went by)  I think I put about an ounce in an 8 oz. peri-bottle, and tried to squirt it up inside as best I could, also washing all around the outside area.  I tried to not go to the bathroom before getting retested, but that didn't work out.  However the retest still came back neg.  I think it'll depend on the midwife I get tomorrow as to whether or not she'll strip the membranes for me...  Also when I'm in labor what they'll want to do about the IV antibiotics.  Either way, I know they'll at least want to go ahead and do the bloodwork on the baby.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: prolifeguyswife April 21, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
I just wanted to update. I tried diet, probiotics, GOOT, Vitamin C, a garlic and yogurt "rinse", and bee propolis for a two months - and still tested positive again for GBS at 36 weeks. My midwife reassured me many times that she didn't think it would be a problem, and it wasn't! My water broke before labor, and when my water would renew itself, it would continue to leak out throughout the 4-hour labor. Basically, my midwife said that it was continually rinsing and flushing out the birth canal, so it was very unlikely that the baby would get GBS. And he didn't! Praise the Lord, he was perfectly healthy when he was born (she did monitor him closely to make sure he didn't have any GBS symptoms). And I think he's just about out of the danger zone for late-onset GBS, too. I just wanted to share that even though it was something to pay attention to, I don't think it's as big a deal as the medical community makes it out to be, and I'm glad I didn't have unnecessary antibiotics.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4lilkeepers April 22, 2009, 01:47:12 AM
I agree, I think doctors are just trying to be cautious, but sometimes do so and don't really weigh out the side effects verses the probability.  Does that make sense.  I went round and round with my ob over Group B and in the end, it took a birth plan.  She actually "missed" the birth, never apologized etc...  the night nurse caught my daughter.  It was very awkward.  I will go with a midwife next time, if I have to drive two hours!

Group B  CAN be serious, but so can a lot of other things I'm sure they don't take precautions about.  The list is endless.  The whole birthing process is in God's hands and he's in control of it all.  He uses Doctors too, though.

: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: Mama Sita April 23, 2009, 04:39:28 AM
About decreasing the GBS bacteria transmitting to your baby:
Women who test POSITIVE for GBS, have about a 1% chance of their baby getting it.

Yeah! I'm glad someone finally said this! This was discussed in my microbiology class, except that the instructor didn't give an exact percentage. Just said that the chance of the baby actually developing problems due to GpB is really pretty small....
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: lewisquiverfull July 12, 2009, 12:46:06 PM
This is an older post, but I have had 3 homebirths, with one more due in 2 1/2 weeks. I just tested positive for GBS, and would like some peace about what we should do. Our midwife cannot do IV's, and I'm just not sure on what we should do.
Anyone have any help?
Thanks
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: MamaChildress August 21, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
I have tested pos with GBS and have had 4 of my 9 children at home. My first homebirth I had an iv with the antibiotic bag hanging from my ceiilng fan while I was laboring and delivering! NOT FUN!

After that experience I decided that there must be a better way. The last 2 weeks of my pregnancies, I inserted 1 garlic gelcap vaginally when I went to bed.

I've had no trouble with GBS. I am pregnant again with our 10th baby and plan on having another homebirth (I have waterbirthed my last 3). I will go with the garlic gelcaps again.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: MillitaryMomof4 January 06, 2010, 11:04:24 AM
Hi all,

I've read three out the 5 pages of this post...what I haven't seen is if anyone as been recommended to take a dose of antibiotics now (12 weeks preg).  The Hospital Midwife told me that GBS showed up in my urine sample.  She said that was serious because I must have quite the colonization.  She said having a large amount increases my chances for miscarriage.  I want to be prudent, either way.

Thanks
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama January 06, 2010, 03:56:24 PM
I've heard the same about urinary tract colonization, but have never studied up on it.
Could you do another catch, in case the first was cross contaminated in anyway? Or you might use some anti bacterials  for a day or two before a retest in an attempt to get rid of it naturally.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4myhoonie March 06, 2010, 10:17:32 AM
ok, gals! picking your brains!  short version--

had stool culture, showed 2 kinds of strep
had rash on lower abdomen last 4-6 (?at least) weeks of pregnancy
Jan 26th, had baby--right before pushing, was told group B +   :o  (antibiotics were run, but only for a few min. til baby emerged)
Feb 2rd, start with fever
Feb 3rd, more fever & lower abdominal pain
Feb 4th, go to ER, diagnosed w/ Endometritis, given shot & 1 week of Augmentin.
finished antibiotics, rash continues, very itchy, raised red bumps, comes & goes.

i'm just wondering if this rash could be caused by the group B and if i still have it?  does anyone know what this rash is???   ???  thanks in advance for any info!

Edited to add: it's also on my lower back--& i'm 6 weeks post-pardum & still have it!!


: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: herbalmom March 06, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
4myHoonie, it sounds like it might be PUPPPs. The Itchy [Rashes/Hives] While Pregnant thread has info about it starting with this post: (reply #11)

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.msg38115.html#msg38115 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.msg38115.html#msg38115)

Even if the rash isn't PUPPPS the dandelion is still good for you & will help detox whatever is causing the rash.

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom

: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4myhoonie March 06, 2010, 11:16:13 AM
4myHoonie, it sounds like it might be PUPPPs. The Itchy [Rashes/Hives] While Pregnant thread has info about it starting with this post: (reply #11)

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.msg38115.html#msg38115 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2151.msg38115.html#msg38115)

Even if the rash isn't PUPPPS the dandelion is still good for you & will help detox whatever is causing the rash.

HTH Blessings ~herbalmom



thanks so much! i think i read this thread while pregnant, but my brain was so foggy i didn't figure it out.  i also have a few itchy spots on other parts of me.  looking on buy/sell for dandelion capsules, cuz there are NONE in our small town! thanks!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: herbalmom March 06, 2010, 11:43:25 AM
You're welcome. In the meantime, if you have or can get alfalfa, beet, milk thistle, chlorophyll, wheat grass or barley grass juice any of those would probably help as well. Not as much as dandelion would but it's something to start on anyways if you can get any of it.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4myhoonie March 07, 2010, 05:21:24 AM
You're welcome. In the meantime, if you have or can get alfalfa, beet, milk thistle, chlorophyll, wheat grass or barley grass juice any of those would probably help as well. Not as much as dandelion would but it's something to start on anyways if you can get any of it.

Thanks, i found some locally! going to encapsulate it today.  hope it works!
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4myhoonie March 16, 2010, 09:04:45 AM
well, i'm back. i found dandelion & had some kelp in my freezer, so i encapsulated them.  started taking them and they (and everything i try) made my baby really fussy.  i got rid of the worst rash with a sterioid/yeast cream from my doctor, but still have lots of itchy places.  i notice them being aggrivated by yeast feeding foods.  i am just putting coconut oil on them or ignoring them.  oh, and the baby came up with one on his face right above his eyes.  any other ideas?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama March 16, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
I would guess that you have bowel flora dysbosis going on. Typical yeast and candida type cleansing and bowel healing work for many other types of bacterial and yeast imbalances.
Have you tried using activated charcoal following any of the new herbs you are trying? I believe your baby is probably fussy because any sort of high nutrition such as the kelp, or liver stimulant like the dandelion is putting your body into a detox. Apparently your detox pathways are not functioning well. Charcoal should help. Detox+ or Dr Schulze #2 might as well. If I remember correctly you are familiar with those.
What about digestive enzymes for yourself and the baby? Have you tried that. If I remember right you are already on an allergen free diet. However if you can't get the GI tract healed you will continue to develop new allergens until nothing is left. A compromised system is keeping your immune system down leaving GroupB strep and other opportunist bugs the chance to thrive. If YOU aren't digesting food well then the baby is getting things through breastmilk that his system is not meant to handle yet and will likely develop allergies in him. This is in addition to toxins he may be getting.
Hope that helps in some small way. I don't think this is primarily a Group B strep problem.
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: 4myhoonie March 17, 2010, 08:17:53 AM
I would guess that you have bowel flora dysbosis going on. Typical yeast and candida type cleansing and bowel healing work for many other types of bacterial and yeast imbalances.
Have you tried using activated charcoal following any of the new herbs you are trying? I believe your baby is probably fussy because any sort of high nutrition such as the kelp, or liver stimulant like the dandelion is putting your body into a detox. Apparently your detox pathways are not functioning well. Charcoal should help. Detox+ or Dr Schulze #2 might as well. If I remember correctly you are familiar with those.
What about digestive enzymes for yourself and the baby? Have you tried that. If I remember right you are already on an allergen free diet. However if you can't get the GI tract healed you will continue to develop new allergens until nothing is left. A compromised system is keeping your immune system down leaving GroupB strep and other opportunist bugs the chance to thrive. If YOU aren't digesting food well then the baby is getting things through breastmilk that his system is not meant to handle yet and will likely develop allergies in him. This is in addition to toxins he may be getting.
Hope that helps in some small way. I don't think this is primarily a Group B strep problem.

hi boysmama~~you are so right.  i had stool cultures done & had 2 kinds of strep, yeast and another bacteria.  actually i am very discouraged by the whole thing, cuz the allergen free diet is SO hard, i'm already taking digestive enzymes & probiotics, & the antifungal program dr. Dramov put me on after pregnancy made the baby incredibly uncomfortable, unable to burp or poop.  i've been getting acupuncture weekly, but can't do that very long. ($$$$) i just don't know what else to do.  i guess i wasn't very good at taking the charcoal i was taking so many pills and none of them could be together.  i will try tonight taking the herbs with supper & the charcoal a couple of hours later and see if that helps.  i need to deal with this now, or i will develop to the other foods i have left to eat, cuz i eat the same things a lot.  i am often hungry & at a loss for what to eat, so resort to quick fixes.  i'm ravenous & so want to eat what everyone else is eating.  :'(   i guess i just thought if the herbs were helping me that would be good for him too if i could get past the first few days.   ???  i've thought about doing the detox + , i do still have 1/3 or so a bottle of Dr. Schulze #2.  i SOOOO don't want him to get my allergies or others, i should have just done formula.  :'( :'( :'(  if someone can't tell me how to do this without tainting my breastmilk and making baby miserable, i am going to have to put him on formula.  :'(

maybe we should move this conversation to another thread?
: Re: Group B Strep (GBS) in Pregnancy
: boysmama March 17, 2010, 12:07:09 PM
maybe we should move this conversation to another thread?

Right.  ;)  I'll watch for your next post.

It's good though for those reading later to have this side of Group B strep infections.