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Natural Health => Children's Health => : bizymum April 04, 2006, 06:47:59 AM

: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: bizymum April 04, 2006, 06:47:59 AM
I was wondering if anyone had ideas/experience on how to stop bedwetting?  My son is 5 and this has always been a problem for him.  We get him up around 11:00 to go potty, but half the time he still wakes up wet in the morning.  Sometimes he's already wet when we get him at 11:00.  He goes to bed around 8:00 every day and we make sure he doesn't drink very much after dinner.  My husband and I try to be patient and understanding, but this problem is really starting to bother our son.  Do we just have to wait for him to out grow this or is there a better way we can help?  It's hard to watch his distress, he feels frustrated that he can't control his own body.  Any suggestions would be most appreciated! Thanks!
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: ForeverGirl April 04, 2006, 08:28:02 AM
Hi Bizymum,
I've read that bedwetting is attributed to several things;
vitamin deficiency (primarily B6 and/or iron)
homogenized cows milk
soft drinks

I'll try to actually find the information on this, as soon as I can... Until then, try fresh milk if you can get it - goat is better than cow - and see if you can pick up a kids vitamin from an organic/natural store. Make sure that it does not have aspartame.

We are working on developing a kids gummy vit... infact, we are all working like crazy  ::) It's great to see so many people getting healthy!!!

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: dara April 04, 2006, 12:53:31 PM
       I have found that my 5 yo son has that problem when he has cow milk too; ...(He can't tollerate cow milk raw or store-bought, but is fine with goat milk.) BeeyoutifulGirl, is it the pasturization (killing enzymes) or the homoginization that makes the difference, and why? I know homog. is bad for your arteries, but why else is it bad? I can get hormone/antibiotic free milk, but not raw.
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: healthybratt April 09, 2006, 01:10:46 PM
      I know homog. is bad for your arteries, but why else is it bad? I can get hormone/antibiotic free milk, but not raw.

Check this thread (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=77.msg581#msg581) for more info on Dairy and Homogenization.
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: Charis April 10, 2006, 03:38:05 AM
Bizymum I've had the same problem with my 2 oldest children 9 & 7. The 9 year old usualy makes it through the night now but still wets @ twice a week. My 7 year old wets probably 3-4 times a night! I wonder how he hs that much left in him. I switched him to raw milk and I'm trying a product from natures sunshine for bed wetting. I havn't done it consistently enough to know if it works or not. I'm going to do it this week consistently and I let you know if it makes any difference. I know how all the laundry can be. :P
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: ecajean April 14, 2006, 07:40:41 AM
Our 5.5 yr old also does that. We potty her before we go to bed then also at 1am, which dad does much to his shegrin! SHe was going 2-3 times a night every night. I remember once a long time ago reading a title on a pamplet called Chiropratics & Bedwetting so I asked my Chiro, who is also a Christian and he said something about if the synapsis from the bladder to the brain aren't working, the child won't wake up when they have to pee. I've taken her twice (1 month apart) and now it has been reduced to 3-4 times a week.

Something a MD told me too was that if we limit the intake it makes it more irritating so they tend to go more often. If we give them more fluid, the bladder is able to fill up causing the 'I have to pee" feeling. But it's a fine line because we all know if they drink too much...

One thing that I noticed in our family is that if the kiddos don't get enough sleep, they tend to be deep sleepers and if both the 3.5yr old and 5.5yr old are in that deep sleep, well they are more apt to wet. So when they are getting good sleeps, the wetting is reduced as well.

This is what we found helpful for my daughter

~Erica
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: Joy2BMommy April 19, 2006, 02:24:21 PM
The ABC herbal suggests it can be a mineral deficiency.  I've mixed up the combo minerals that are suggested in it to try it with my 6yr old - he isn't a nightly wetter, but several times each month.  I haven't used them yet, as I forgot about them once I bottled them up and set them on the shelf. 

The mineral rich herbs we've used to make the tincture are red raspberry, oat straw, alfalfa, nettle and horsetail.  The author claims that a mineral tincture along with a licorice root tincture cured a bedwetting  problem with two of his sons.

The book also says that a good do-it-yourself mineral capsule if your child is old enough to swallow it is made from kelp, alfalfa, and dandelion.

I'll let you know if we see success from it - we're going to start using it tonight now that someone here answered my post regarding my question about a glycerite sitting too long.  Please post if you have success with anything that you try, I'm eager to help him overcome this issue.

Blessings,
Debbi
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: healthybratt April 21, 2006, 05:22:41 AM
Dry Bed Tincture

Equal parts tinctures of Saint-John's-wort tops, fresh oat berries, corn silk and plantain leaves
Herbs for Health and Healing (http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/15/83.cfm)

For bed-wetting, try using buchu, corn silk, oat straw, parsley, and/or plantain. Take these herbs before 3:00 p.m.
Moondragaon's Health and Welness (http://www.moondragon.org/health/disorders/bedwet.html)

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: bizymum May 16, 2006, 08:07:29 AM
Here's an update on my son.  We've switched to skim milk for the past month, and I've been giving all the kids a multi-vit.  (Basic thing to remember, but I had just forgotten for a while...)  We don't drink soda very much at all so that wasn't a concern.  Since these changes, he is hardly wetting the bed at all!!  He's so happy in the morning when he comes to tell me he's dry!  Thank you so much to everyone!!!    :D 
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: Bev July 19, 2006, 02:39:46 PM
Hi I was wondering if anyone here has studied about bedwetting. My son wets the bed almost everynight and he is nine years old. What can I do?
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: mishy July 19, 2006, 02:52:20 PM
If you have the ABC Herbal book, he mentioned that he used and Herbal Tincture for his kids who wet the bed.  Someone borrowed mine and I forgot who, so maybe someone else has that info available to offer you. 
One thing I am using for my son is the dri-sleeper which is an alarm with a sensor that goes right in their undies so it beeps right away when they wet.  We just started using it and he woke up last night...finally.  I have been having to go in and shake him bounce him, wet his head to get him to wake up while things thing is beeping like crazy!  You have to make them be awake and turn it off.  It is supposed to train their mind to wake up when they have the urge.  The progression is supposed to be that the alarm will wake him up when he goes and then over as short of 1 wk to as much as 6 wks train his mind to be awake before he needs to go. 
http://www.dri-sleeper.com/

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: SHERRI REEL July 19, 2006, 03:10:27 PM
My son wet every night for a year unless we would take him in the middle of the night he just slept to soundly.
but I know of other people who tryed the alarm and it worked for them.
the first thing I tryed was not to allow drinks within two hours of bed and make sure they go before bed,but I always gave in and let them drink[they don't get enough through the day].
He still has set backs once in a while but only if he drinks a lot before bed or I forget to remind him to go before getting into bed.
Sherri
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: healthyinOhio July 19, 2006, 03:27:41 PM
My son is four and still wets the bed just about every night.  I have tried everything herbal.  I bought Hyland's Bed wetting tablets and they worked surprisingly for a little while, but then he started to urinate, again.  I changed his linens almost everyday for about 6 months before I thought to put him in night time diapers.  I guess some kids have a hard time adjusting to their growing body.  Perhaps, it is genetics, too.  My mom said that I wet the bed often at night until about 5-6.  Also, my dad and his brother wet their bed until 8 and 9 as well.  Let me know if any of the herbal stuff works for you.  Perhaps, I will try again with my son.
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: SHERRI REEL July 19, 2006, 03:44:02 PM
I just noticed that there is a previous thread on bedwetting.
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: mishy July 19, 2006, 03:48:16 PM
healthyinOhio, bewetting isn't listed as "problem" until after age 5.  :)
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: Soñadora July 19, 2006, 04:53:37 PM
I've had 3 almost nightly bedwetters. I used and liked the alarm for one (she was 9), but a few weeks after we took her off, she was wetting again. She sleeps really hard, but she was able to hear it. She just didn't know what she was doing. It was quite funny to watch some nights, and funnier to tell her the next morning what she was saying/doing. ;D Makes me laugh just thinking about it. It did not even come close to waking up my other hard sleeper, and my oldest grew out of it before I heard of the alarm. I have heard really great things about it from friends though, so I'd still give that a shot.
This weekend my SIL told me that she bought some cornsilk ??? for hers and she said it was awesome. That is going to be my next attempt. My kids also take the ABC Herbal vitamins mentioned above, but that's one area we didn't see a change. We don't drink any milk either. It's weird how some do this and some just don't.
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: healthybratt July 19, 2006, 05:08:54 PM
My 5 year old was trained and started wetting the bed again.  I took her off juice and milk completely and put her in diapers for a week.  She didn't like the diapers, so she tried very hard to earn the right of panties back and the water flushed her system to make it easier for her.  Now she seems okay if she has sprite or koolaid once in awhile, but if I give her OJ she wets the bed again.  Something in the citrus?? 
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: mishy July 19, 2006, 05:19:01 PM
We have some corn that we pulled the cornsilk off of so I had him eat it.  Maybe I should try to give him more.  Cornsilk is good for ANYTHING that has to do with the urinary process.  bedwetting being one of them.  They do caution to be sure you get your cornsilk from a source that is not using pesticides or genetic engineering. 

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: jaemom July 19, 2006, 05:31:52 PM
I have a 8 yo and 5 yo bedwetters.  Insead of putting new linens on the bed every day, I bought these reusable waterproof pads for their beds from Walmart.  They work great as long as they stay on the pad.  They are fairly large, but if your child moves around a LOT, they might not work.  My 8 yo is a hard sleeper.  He has recently been waking up every night and going to the bathroom in the middle of the night.  This has greatly reduced his incidents.  I read somewhere that bedwetting can be a sign of a magnesium deficiency.  I think that may be the problem with my 5yo since she also has severe leg pain frequently.  I bought the bone ami for her from beeyoutiful, but have heard that aloe vera juice works well too.  I'm interested in everyone else's take on this also.  I wet the bed until I was 12, my parents just spanked me.  They never really wondered if it might be a medical thing.  My mother and I have talked about it, and after years of intense therapy I am finally well.  (KIDDING  ;D)  Seriously though, don't embarass them.  They'll eventually grow out of it probably, I did.  Many times it's just a problem of them growing faster than their bladders.  :)
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: 4my3rascals July 22, 2006, 04:15:44 PM
My oldest is a bedwetter (age 7)...at the age of 6 we discussed the issue with her doctor since we were concerned about the amount she tinkles when she said she really had to go (just a small amount).   Several months later, a speacialist told us her bladder does not stretch very much but she should outgrow the bedwetting.  She is not a deep sleeper like most bed wetters and usually wets 3-4 times during her 11 hour night.  Her bladder just doesn't enlarge enough to hold the amount and she wets to relieve the pressure.   
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: Soñadora July 22, 2006, 05:13:25 PM
Insead of putting new linens on the bed every day, I bought these reusable waterproof pads for their beds from Walmart.  They work great as long as they stay on the pad.  They are fairly large, but if your child moves around a LOT, they might not work. 

Hey jaemom, what are these called and where in Walmart do you find them? This would make my daughter so happy. She really hates the wetting. :( It would be nice not to have to deal with the sheets so often.
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: jaemom July 23, 2006, 02:47:46 AM
You know, come think of it, we bought ours at Albertsons (our grocery).  My hubby bought them, but I think they were about $15 for each.  They are water-proof sheet protectors.  Here's a link I found when I googled it that has different sizes and prices.  It also tells how much in cc's it will hold--not that I ever actually measured how much my kids go at night.  :D  At any rate, these are washable and reusable and a lot easier than changing sheets every day.  Here's the link: http://www.peejs.com/products/bed_protection.htm  Hope this helps.
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: healthybratt July 23, 2006, 06:55:42 AM
These pads look very easy to use and maintain; however, my kids move around too much.  I usually wind up with "blankies" and blankets and sheets to wash, so I just bought a plastic incontinence sheet from walmart.  I think they cost $6 - $10 bucks depending on the size of the bed.  They make these like fitted sheets, but I get the kind that goes under and over the mattress like a sleeping bag and zips up all the way around.  I have used these in the past to treat for scabies as well, because mattresses are a very difficult place to treat successfully.   :-\
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: jaemom July 23, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
Mine stayed in place pretty well, since they aren't smooth on the underside.  But, I might suggest if one were to buy them and their child moves around alot, maybe they could buy the cheap sheet straps that could hook to the underside of the mattress or something.
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: Pennie July 23, 2006, 12:29:50 PM
I'm not sure if you ladies are just wanting to avoid pullups or not but my 7 yr old son is now too big for them but we just buy offbrand depends.  He is really skinny and the legs are kind of big but he just puts underwear over the top and then if anything gets a little wet it is just the underwear and then we don't have to change sheets everyday.  My husband accidentally bought adult diapers last time time instead of adult disposable underwear and actually they probly work better but it's probly a little humilitating for him but he is good about going ahead and wearing them. I wet the bed until I was 8. We have tried chiropractor(although I think that helps some that just isn't our problem)and we have had his anatomy checked to make sure that wasn't a problem. He does suffer from allergies pretty bad and I think restless sleep is a big part of it.  I used to think it was deep sleeping but now I actually think it is b/c he doesn't sleep well and when he is really messed up(like now)he grinds his teeth at night too.  I can't stand that sound.  I was a grinder too........poor guy.  He didn't get his skinny from me though!! :P
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: healthybratt July 23, 2006, 07:33:25 PM
Pullups are waaaaaaay too expensive.  I'd rather do laundry. (most days)  ;D
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: abbilynn July 24, 2006, 03:10:15 PM
My son wet the bed all the time, even through a pull-up, till age five.  We started seeing a chiropractor and I mentioned it.  He adjusted him, and he went that whole night without wetting the bed!! I was amazed!  He started wearing underwear to bed too.  Now he's 6 1/2 and whenever he wets the bed (he still does sometimes) I take him to the chiropractor, he adjusts him, and he doesn't wet the bed anymore after that.  I really believe that the chiropractics works!  It's true that when there's something not working right in his spinal cord to tell his body not to do that, he wets the bed.  But when the chiro fixes it, his body gets the signal and he's okay.
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: healthyinOhio July 24, 2006, 04:31:15 PM
My son wet the bed all the time, even through a pull-up, till age five. We started seeing a chiropractor and I mentioned it. He adjusted him, and he went that whole night without wetting the bed!! I was amazed!

I have never been to a chiropractor before.  There seems to be sooo many of them.  How do you know when you have found a really good one.  Or are they all the same? 
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: SC July 24, 2006, 05:36:32 PM
If there is a health food store near your home that you frequent, I would check with the employees and/or management there. They will know which doctors are concerned with the whole patient, sending them in for needed dietary changes and/or supplements. Also the HFS will know which customers seem to regain their health and see results. Otherwise, I would check with friends and/or relatives.
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: Youthful One July 24, 2006, 09:24:45 PM
My son wet the bed all the time, even through a pull-up, till age five. We started seeing a chiropractor and I mentioned it. He adjusted him, and he went that whole night without wetting the bed!! I was amazed!

I have never been to a chiropractor before.  There seems to be sooo many of them.  How do you know when you have found a really good one.  Or are they all the same? 

They are NOT all the same!  I have seen many a chiropractor in my lifetime (due primarily to many geographical moves), and there are not only differring techniques, but differing qualities.  Some have really been a GREAT benefit to me, a few (not many) have been creepy, or had a style that was painful to me.  I should be better versed to answer this question, but for now let me suggest you research/interview a few.  When I return from camping, I'll ask my chiropractor how best to select or find one in your area and I'll post that in a new 'chiro' thread.  ;)

My experience with chiropractic in regards to bedwetting is this:

I was a bedwetter into high school  >:( :o  I went through the spanking for it when I was younger, a minor surgery, many UTIs, many different urologists and tests, and the bedwetting alarm (which I HATED).  Nothing was a long-term solution.  It wasn't until mid-way through high school that I went to a chiropractor.  After being adjusted, I didn't wet.  At all.  Because my back had been out of alignment for some time, it took awhile for my muscles to keep it aligned - so I returned to the chiro every time I started to have a wetting problem again.  That lasted a few years (visiting every few months or so).  By the time I hit my 20s, I never wet the bed again.  HOWEVER, my back hasn't always remained aligned - and now I can tell when it's out with how my body signals when I need to urinate.  If I don't get much warning that I need to go, it means my back is out - the signal isn't getting through to my brain until it's almost too late (which is really fun when I'm pregnant - like now!)

This whole experience was such a HUGE relief to me that it made me really want to BE a chiropractor.  I still am a firm believer in chiropractic first, alternative/natural remedies next, drugs if necessary, and surgery as a last option only.  Maybe after my kids are all grown, I'll get to return to school and be a chiropractor after all... ::)

The reason I'm on this thread though, is because my boys (7 & 5) are still wetting nightly.  My current chiro has adjusted them, but tells me their bladders aren't growing as fast as they are. >:( ???  I'm not sure I can agree with this logic.  "Why?" you ask...

How has it been over the last 100+ years (not counting the last 30) for the millions of people who didn't have diapers or pull-ups to rely on?  When all there was was a giant family feather bed and an outhouse in the back yard, how long did kids wet the bed?  I can't imagine enuresis carried on long in those days (or in current cultures with similar situations).  How did our forefathers do it?

I've recently checked out a number of books from the library on this very subject.  Some may be helpful, but I am leary.  I'll let you know if I find any to be helpful.

For the time being, we have high quality shower curtains on each bed, under the mattress pad and sheets.  (The cheap shower curtains don't last at all.)  I do at least 2 loads of laundry every day just for the sheets.  We have gone through the pull-ups, but I really don't like the expense or the message it sends of being okay to wet.  We go through stages of waking (or attempting to wake them) in the night - that has only mildly been successful in keeping the bed dry.  It has not yet trained them to get up on their own in the middle of the night.  My daughter is 3, and we have her in a diaper at night, even though she is fully trained in the day.  Then, of course, there's the 1-year old, and the baby due in 3 weeks... ;)

I'm thinking it has been a training thing - that we have trained the kids to sleep through a wet diaper as an infant, so they are conditioned to sleep in it now.  How do I untrain them now?  (That's the WORK ahead...)
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: mishy July 24, 2006, 11:44:04 PM
Well, the theory that I read is that little kids' sleep pattern is unlike the adults.  We go through REM and then a time where we are closer to being awake and then we go deep....  however it is.  :P  Anyway, the kids don't go through the close to being awake part until they get a little older.  Usually you will feel your urge to go during this sleep cycle. 
Another factor is that your body does not produce as much urine at night.  If they are wetting the bed, it means this sensor has not "kicked in" yet. 

That makes sense to me.  We have our 5 yr old on a sensor and when it goes off he is like dead.  I have to go through some drastic measures to try to wake him up. 

I have taken him several times to be adjusted because my good friend is a chiropractor. :) That has not yet worked.  One thing I disagree with what your chiro said is about the bladder not growing.  I like the above theory better. :)  But that is my opinion. :)

Others claim it is a deficiency- hey! Rebekah, did you do any more research on this??? 

So, hm.  It's a mystery! 
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: abbilynn July 25, 2006, 05:24:12 AM
Our chiro is a Gonstead also.  In fact, I think he studied under that guy or something like that.  Anyway, he's the greatest.  He's into natural health, no vaccines (unfortunately we found out about that stuff too late), and always has a good answer for my kids' problems.  Like coconut oil for my son't rash.  He helped my son quite wetting the bed, got rid of his night-terrors, and when they get sick and he adjusts them they heal much faster.  We go 2-3 times a week, usually 3 weeks out of every month.  Since I started going, I haven't had migraines anymore.  We have also done dietary changes that have helped tremendously.  We read the book "The Body by God" and it was great!  My chiro writes articles for that website (thebodybygod.com) sometimes.  You can go to that website and find a chiro in your area that he recommends.  Also, I bet if you let me know what area you are in, my chiro would be able to find someone who would be great to go to.  He knows alot of people and travels to talk at seminars alot.
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: Pennie July 25, 2006, 06:58:44 AM
We don't go as often as I would like.  We have to drive 45 mintues on way to see him.  :(  Interesting though ours goes to a seminar thing every Friday to keep abreast of what is going on.  We didn't go so far as to have Luke x-rayed b/c we didn't really think that would make any difference.  He has adjusted my 5 month old several times.  she had a stuffy nose early on constantly and after the adjustment she dried up.  Went last week though and she fell off the bed later when we got home.  >:(  She is very stuffy right now.  And no more leaving her on the bed!
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: DawnsEarlyBirds July 25, 2006, 09:58:51 AM
My 5 year old was trained and started wetting the bed again.  I took her off juice and milk completely and put her in diapers for a week.  She didn't like the diapers, so she tried very hard to earn the right of panties back and the water flushed her system to make it easier for her.  Now she seems okay if she has sprite or koolaid once in awhile, but if I give her OJ she wets the bed again.  Something in the citrus?? 
I had a son who was not a regular bed wetter, but more than most of ours.  He also has a problem with his hands drying and peeling in the winter.  We found on our own, that having NO orange juice helped his hands.  Later someone told me that bedwetters should never have orange juice, something about it's effect on the bladder.  He has never wet the bed since we stopped letting him have OJ.
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: healthybratt July 25, 2006, 11:51:59 AM
Later someone told me that bedwetters should never have orange juice, something about it's effect on the bladder.  He has never wet the bed since we stopped letting him have OJ.

I mentioned earlier (I think) that I thought mine wet every time I gave her Orange juice.  My husband thought I was nuts because she would wet 2-3 days in row after having it, and she had one incident the other night but didn't have any OJ, but I'm still convinced this is a trigger.  I don't give it to her any more and if I do for some reason, I will be watching to see if it effects her like I think it will.  Sometimes grandma slips in some stuff to the diet when I'm not looking.  ;)  I think milk might also be a trigger.  Maybe lactic acid and citric acid work the same way on the bladder ???
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: 4my3rascals July 25, 2006, 04:10:07 PM
My 7 year old that still wets at night wears pull-ups because occasionally (1x per month) she wakes up dry and prefers not to wake up wet all over; however, after reading this blog, I took her off milk and she has been dry (only 2 nights).  :)  I recall a time period when she was 5 that she would not drink milk, only in her cereal and she woke up dry fairly consisently.  Shortly, afterwards, she dropped nap time and started wetting again, yet we also started pushing the milk.  Anyway, working so far, only time will tell.   The chiropracter has not helped this particular issue.  Also find it interesting that another bedwetter grinds teeth.  She also grinds teeth and is not a deep sleeper.
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: healthyinOhio July 25, 2006, 04:15:03 PM
  Also find it interesting that another bedwetter grinds teeth.  She also grinds teeth and is not a deep sleeper.

My son, the bedwetter, used to grind his teeth a lot, too.  Interesting correlation.  Bruxism, as it is called, can be helped with Vitamin B12 supplementation.  My son ground his top two front teeth down that it is almost in a "V" shape.  I put him on some chewable B12 and after a month he stopped completely.  He hasn't been on it for a couple years and does not grind his teeth, anymore.  But still wets the bed.
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: Kari July 25, 2006, 05:33:25 PM
Yes, I found with my potty-trained girl and boy that juice or milk in the evening would trigger bedwetting. But, they can drink lots of water right before sleep and not have any problems bedwetting! Another trigger is going to bed too late (like after a wedding/special event).  I guess they are too deep asleep to wake up in response to the need to use the bathroom.
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: Pennie August 02, 2006, 12:49:51 PM
Just have to share this.....after HB said pullups were too expensive she would rather do laundry I asked my boy if he would rather have plastic on his mattress and give up the pullups. He said "YES!"  So, we finally got the mattress cover and last night not only did he NOT wet the bed, he also got up once(it was dark still he said)and went to the bathroom!  We were all very happy..  Granted it was just one night but maybe the pullups were a detriment to him getting up. He said he stretched and felt like he needed to go so he got up.  Hallelujah.  I am so happy for him!! ;D  And we didn't do anything else differently and he even drank soda at supper(we ate at mazzios, shhh).   ;)
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: mishy August 02, 2006, 08:18:58 PM
Hm.  My son doesn't drink milk or OJ.  So that isn't a factor for us. :(  Wish it were! :)
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: mykidsmom August 03, 2006, 12:42:30 AM
Oy, bedwetting... we've struggled with our son staying dry (day and night) since he was about 4.  At first we punished, retrained, etc. but nothing was helping.  When he was 5 I took him to our family doctor and he told me that a child not staying dry during the day by 5 is abnormal.  Yeah, no kidding!   :o  He wanted us to take him to a urologist but we held off.  Fast forward two years (to spare ya' all the details) and he was still wetting during the day and forget nighttime training.  My little sister has a small bladder and wet the bed until she was 10 or 11.  She's had bladder problems all her life.  My husband and I had set a timetable for when we would take our son to a urologist if we couldn't fix the issue.  Keep in mind, we've tried everything everyone has mentioned (except chiropractic).  Nothing worked.  I asked my sister honestly what she would do (she's also married to a doctor) and she gave us advice that has ended up being correct.  She said that beyond age 5 a child staying dry during the day (and night) becomes somewhat emotional.  Partly because they start getting embarrassed about it and parents get frustrated which makes the child more emotional and a vicious circle is started.  She suggested we back off and tell our son that he was going to be in charge of staying dry from now on.  *If* he wet during the day he would only be punished if he stayed in wet cloths.  Otherwise, he could come in and change and nothing would be said.  Well, after a week of some daytime wetting, where he could see we weren't reacting and he was changing, he started to relax a little, he's been dry since.   I think he's had one accident in this past month and he was quick to deal with it.   I think he was so worried about getting into trouble that he'd fret over that instead of paying attention to if he needed to go to the bathroom or not.  We frequently put our arm around him and tell him that we're proud he's being a "big man" and taking responsibility for staying dry, drinking extra water, etc.  But he still soaks at nighttime.  I mean soaks.  He drinks nothing after 6:00pm and if he even drinks a small amount of water after brushing his teeth he is wet through his cloths, bedding, etc. that night.  Guaranteed.  He's seven now and it really bugs him that we are nighttime training my 5yr old girl but he's still not even close.  He's asked us to get him the potty alarm so he can try.  We agreed to at the end of the summer after he's had several months (by then) of absolute dry days.  The problem is we don't think the alarm is going to help.  We KNOW he has very little bladder capacity.  On Sundays he goes to the bathroom before leaving for church at 9:30 and when we get to church at 10:30 he has to go again and my husband says he goes A LOT.  And we stand there and make sure he empties his bladder before we leave.  The only thing we have found that seems to help is to have him drink LOTS of water during the day to try and stretch his bladder (except on Sundays!  ;)).  Everything we've read says that 10% of boys will have trouble staying dry at night by age 7 and that 10% a year will resolve themselves.  We really don't want to put him through the cytoscopy that a doctor would want to do so we're just patiently waiting and trying to encourage him to drink lots of water (anything else doesn't work).  I expect he'll be much like my sister since their bladders appear to be the same and start staying dry around 9 or 10.  But, we're probably going to let him do the alarm because we also don't want to discourage him from trying. 

There is so much in between all of that as far as what we've tried but that's the long and the short of it.  At least for us, bedwetting appears to be genetic (and we have read it is) so we're trying to relax and not stress him out and encourage him to get up if he wakes up (which he does and he goes) and at some point we're figuring that the brain/bladder connection will hit and he'll outgrow it. 

Patti
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: Pennie August 03, 2006, 02:42:45 AM
I was a bedwetter too.  From what I hear it is pretty normal in boys to have trouble.  We never punished.  Have you considered his diet?  I think allergies too can be a trigger.  I thought my son wet b/c he is such a heavy sleeper but I think it is a lot b/c he is a restless sleeper.  My dad and mom both were wetters too.  We had our boys anatomy checked out too.  It was fine.  The ped. wondered why we even cared.  Mostly b/c like you said, it bothers him.  I have heard success stories with the chiropractor although we weren't one of them.  My cousins little girl didn't wet at night but during the day and she would get adjusted and be fine for awhile.  Then there was a boy that had a problem and they discovered he was throwing his sacrum out during ball practice.  He was a catcher.  I think the best thing for the kids is down play it and not stress them out even more.  My parents never punished me or anything b/c they had both been through.  I was a pretty small person so I was able to wear cloth panties and plastic pants even up until I was 8.  I remember b/c that was when we went to Brazil and I was still wearing them.  Funny, that never really bothered me.  Atleast I don't remember being bothered.  ::)
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: annafogg1 August 03, 2006, 03:21:12 AM
I have 7 children; the 1st 3 NEVER wet the bed...I am serious!  A girl and then 2 boys, and never an accident at night...in fact, my oldest child, Jade, potty trained herself, and we just noticed one day that we hadn't changed any diapers...all we did for her was 2 months before her 2nd bday,  put a potty in the bathroom and she would 'pretend' to go when I did, and then for her 2nd bday she got a pack of pretty flower panties...that was it, she wore the panties, and never wet them, day or night. This will and control over her self and life has always been a part of her up 'til this day...first born syndrome, I suppose.

ANYWAY....I have 4 little girls, 9, 7, 5 and 4....we still buy Pull-ups! They are pricey, but we reuse them a lot! I mean a lot, like using safety pins if they get loose....but all 4 still have accidents.  The oldest at 9 is very infrequent now, maybe once/month, but just 6 months ago, it was once/week.  The baby at 4 is still at once/week, the 5 yr old has had the least trouble, but all 4 could still be called wetters.  We have tried it all, holding off drinks after 7 pm, getting them up at night...let me tell you what a ROYAL undertaking it is to get 4 girls up, one by one, guide them and set them down on the toilet while they are dead weight!  And getting them down the bunks safely....so....for us, is it Nature or Nurture?  Is it just something in their genes?  Could it be something they all eat?  They all share the same room, the same bed/beds....we don't do much juice at all....they are allowed only one 'flavored beverage' each day. and I'd rather buy the fruit than juice, so sometimes they are getting juice only twice/week. 

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: healthybratt August 03, 2006, 06:40:42 AM
Hm.  My son doesn't drink milk or OJ.  So that isn't a factor for us. :(  Wish it were! :)


The common denominator in these seems to be the acid.  Is he eating or drinking something else high in acid - maybe ???  Lactic and Citric acid are used almost interchangably in many food products.  My hubby used to work at Trolli (gummy bear factory) and they use both of these in their candies to make them tart.  ;)
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: healthybratt August 03, 2006, 06:44:53 AM
we don't do much juice at all....they are allowed only one 'flavored beverage' each day.

I quit giving mine juice and milk altogether and after 2 weeks the bedwetting stopped.  I've only had 3 accidents since (4 months) and each time she had milk or orange juice.  She's only allowed Koolaid, Milk, Juice or Pop on very rare occaisions.  We drink water.

In fact one of these accidents was yesterday and the kids talked me into some milk yesterday.
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: annafogg1 August 03, 2006, 07:53:43 AM
Well, I am going to try this today, HB, restrict them to water and occasional popsicle and do a 2 week trial.
But I still wonder as my oldest three who never wet drank much more
flavored beverages than these guys as I only had 3 then and they were small-
I could afford more in my grocery budget.  Still, it's worth a try and since I've added so much to my milk knowledge in this last week, I've gotten our household down to 1/2 gallon
of milk/day....that is a real woo-hoo!

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: healthybratt August 03, 2006, 10:14:09 AM
Well, I am going to try this today, HB, restrict them to water and occasional popsicle and do a 2 week trial.

Good luck.  ;)  I hope it works for you.  I was so relieved when it worked for us.
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: 4my3rascals August 03, 2006, 11:42:02 AM
.  We really don't want to put him through the cytoscopy that a doctor would want to do  Patti

Our daughter at the age of 6, saw a urologist.   The first test only involved an ultrasound.  She was required to empty her bladder, have an ultrasound to determine size.   Drink several glasses of water and/or juice.   Then have another ultrasound to determine size.  Then empty again and have one final ultrasound.   The results were to make sure she was completely emptying and the bladder was expanding.   The procedure was not invasive, only time consuming.

The second step was the cytoscopy, which we will not do again under the same circumstances.   We learned her bladder was small, but filled and emptied properly fromt he ultrasound.  The cytoscopy only told us there were no kinks in the uretha.   Over time she should become dry through the night. 

We explained to her that her bladder was like a small tight balloon, that it would eventually grow to match her size (she is tall and slender).  We put pull-ups on her because she hated to wake up in the middle of the night wet. 

Just 10 days ago, we removed homo./past. milk from her diet.   The results are wet 3 nights, dry 7 nights (including 5 nights in a row).   Two days ago we allowed past. goat's milk for breakfast only.  She has cont. to be dry.   Starting tomorrow we are switching to raw goat's milk for breakfast only.   

She has decided when she gets to 10 nights in a row she is going to quit using pullups.   And at the age of 7, if she has an accident, then I plan to show her how to wash her own bedding, not making a big deal about the incident.   She only misses ice cream, but we are working on that as well. 
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: 4my3rascals August 03, 2006, 11:47:08 AM
One other thing...the time frame we were told to use for no fluids is 2 hours before bed, with only a small drink of water after brushing the teeth.  And, I have always taken her potty when I go to bed which is 2 1/2 hours after she goes to bed.   Until I eliminated the milk, this did not work.  But combined with the milk elimination, it is working. 
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: robnruth August 04, 2006, 05:04:25 AM
This has been helpgul for me to read all of your responses and suggestions.  My son is 6.  We use a pee sensor for him and it has helped a lot, but not completely eliminated the problem.  He tends to  leak a little during the day as well.  I'll definitely try the herbal mineral tincture as well as the cornsilk, etc. and possibly take him to a chiropractor.  We don't drink milk or soda, so that's not a factor in this case.  He's different alltogether than the rest of my kids.  He's got an auditory integration issue, which means certain frequencies that normal hearers block out and ignore, his brain is very distracted by.  And if any of them are going to have allergies, it'll be him.  Hopefully herbs and not getting him immunized have helped prevent or minimize that for him.  Oh, and I did try the homeopathic bet-wetting tabs a while back, but they didn't seem to solve his problem.  It all depends on the cause as to what solution will work.
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: YoopreMama August 04, 2006, 01:45:38 PM
A couple of thoughts to join the mix.   ;)

Our 4 1/2 yr. old boy started wetting the bed again recently, in conjunction w/ some very challenging behavior after being sick w/ some stomach virus.  If we didn't know better, we'd suspect some trauma/abuse...we wonder about starting raw milk...people mention that milk may be a contributing factor--does this include raw milk, too?

Our chiropractor saw him today and said that his sacrum was only a bit out of alignment...or whatever bone can affect the nerve for bladder functioning.  That had worked w/ our oldest. 

He's also giving up naps, so he's sleeping pretty hard.  No juice in the house, really.

Glad for all of these experiences and theories!
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: 3boysmyjoys August 04, 2006, 02:17:53 PM
We've just started the yeast-free cleanse and my threeyob has woken up dry for the last four nights!
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: floydian August 06, 2006, 10:24:24 AM
The person who wrote Toilet Training in Less Than a Day  also wrote a book for nighttime training. ( Sorry, don't remember the name of it.)   He used it for teens and adults who were mentally retarded and had much success and tried it on children. 
We tried it for our 6 year old boy, but it didn't work for us.  It did work for a friend of mine with her daughter.  When our 6 yr old boy turned 8, he just quit wetting the bed.  One night he was wetting, and then it just stopped.  We did nothing different.
We had had great success with the Training in a Day method with our first two and decided to try his book on nighttime training.  Like I said, it didn't help us, but it did help a good friend.
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: healthybratt August 06, 2006, 12:13:21 PM
I guess our dry night was a fluke.   :P  Oh, well....some day he will grow out of it.........

If it's at all behavior (habit) related then you might sharing his successes with him.  I think this will help.  Every morning my daughter wakes up dry we make a very big deal out of it.  Hers is diet related (I think), but habits are hard to break even when there is a trigger.  Praise and celebration on a task accomplished always helps to keep the bed dry after we have a slip up.  Don't give up hope yet.  ;)
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: naelund August 23, 2006, 02:10:55 PM
My 5 year old is still wearing pull-ups at night. We've tried rewarding him with stickers everytime he gets up at night and/or his pull-ups are dry in the morning. We've told him that if he has dry pull-ups for 7 days in a row, he'll get a toy that he's already picked out. We've also tried waking him up at night and helping him. That is difficult since he pretty much stays asleep and we practically have to carry him. We've tried letting him wet the bed every night but that hasn't made him wake up at all. Maybe he's just not ready.

Him and my younger daughter who's almost three are both in pull-ups at night. We've even tried turning it into a competition between them. We're not worked up about this, we've just run out of ideas. Any suggestions? :)
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: naelund August 23, 2006, 03:18:31 PM
Thanks so much! I didn't bother searching first. I read through the thread and found some great ideas to try.
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: naelund August 23, 2006, 03:31:32 PM
I'm definitely going to try the chiropractor and maybe the tummy tuneup for my kids. We don't drink milk (just as a treat) or much juice. But maybe if I cut them out  altogether, it'll help. Doesn't hurt to try. 
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: lovingmomof2 August 24, 2006, 02:46:59 AM
I am not going through this with my children, yet.  I am the oldest of 10 and We had our share of bedwetters.  The pediatrician told us that sometimes the part of the brain that lets you know you need to go when you are asleep isn't always developed all the way.  We did the usual no drinks before bed.  We tried not to make a big deal of them wetting because we knew they didn't like it and couldn't help it.  One of brothers, eight just stopped wetting the bed about 4 months ago.  He had been using pull-ups, at night only and ran out while Mom was here with me.  She told him to try it for a few nights and she would get some when she got home.  No more wet nights.  We figure he got used to the pull-ups, but when they were gone he knew and everthing worked out.  We had tried taking him off them before but it didn't work.  I guess the timing was right.  Not all of my brothers and sisters were bedwetters and some were worse than others.  Just do what you think is best.  Remember you are the only one that truly knows your child.
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: Mama Sita August 24, 2006, 03:21:09 AM
Oh yes, we went thru this with most all of our kids. Only one trained himself to be dry thru the night by the age of 18 months. The rest all wet until the age of 6,7 and even 8 years old. My daughter was the worst, and believe me, we tried everything. Then we got the 'pee machine.' Haha That's what we call it. She slept so hard at night, relaxed so completely, that she just lost all bladder control. That little pee machine did the trick! It sounds off this irritating little noise when it senses moisture and doesn't go off until you dry it off. She was in such a dead sleep that she didn't hear it at first, but mom and dad sure did...upstairs. After about a week, she recognized the sound and started getting up on her own, to our relief.

I think we used that pee machine about one month and that was it. She was happily waking up dry on her own.

BTW, we found it on eBay. About 20 bucks or so, well worth it considering the price of pull-ups.

Mama Sita
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: healthyinOhio December 04, 2006, 08:30:36 AM
Just wanted to list something that I noticed in my son.  He is almost five and still wets the bed at night.  Okay, wet was an understatement.  He "soaks" the bed.   ;)
Yet, two weeks ago, we purchased some "good" milk for the first time.  The whole week he soaked the bed every night EXCEPT the two nights that he had a glass of "good" milk before bed.  Hmmmmm?  Something to consider.  I am going to look into it this week when we get some more and will see if it works again.
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: carolinachic December 04, 2006, 11:04:57 AM
That's interesting about the milk...I did the same thing, but thought maybe it was because it was milk instead of tea, water, apple juice. I know that caffeine will make you pee more frequently. My dd is four and she's the only one of my kids still wearing pull-ups to bed :-[ She's been potty-trained since about fifteen months, but still will wet at night. I do notice If she takes a nap, she won't sleep so hard at night and wet. She just seems to have a hard time falling asleep lately at naptime. I'll have to try the milk thing again, just picked up some raw milk today :)

Just wanted to list something that I noticed in my son.  He is almost five and still wets the bed at night.  Okay, wet was an understatement.  He "soaks" the bed.   ;)
Yet, two weeks ago, we purchased some "good" milk for the first time.  The whole week he soaked the bed every night EXCEPT the two nights that he had a glass of "good" milk before bed.  Hmmmmm?  Something to consider.  I am going to look into it this week when we get some more and will see if it works again.
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: mishy February 07, 2007, 11:18:10 AM
My 6 yr old son hasn't wet the bed in two weeks now.  I just realized last night that this lines right up with the time I started giving them Bone Ami.  So I believe he was deficient in one of the ingredients (are they in the mineral category??) in Bone Ami. 

This might fall into line with the above posts of "good milk" which would have good calcium and magnesium in them. 

Interesting, huh? 

 8)

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: herbalmom February 07, 2007, 12:38:11 PM
My 6 yr old son hasn't wet the bed in two weeks now.  I just realized last night that this lines right up with the time I started giving them Bone Ami.  So I believe he was deficient in one of the ingredients (are they in the mineral category??) in Bone Ami. 

This might fall into line with the above posts of "good milk" which would have good calcium and magnesium in them. 

Interesting, huh? 

 8)

Magnesium & B6 work together to help prevent bed wetting so my guess is that the mag. in Bone Ami is helping. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: DaysofGrace February 07, 2007, 12:56:54 PM
The ABC herbal suggests it can be a mineral deficiency.  I've mixed up the combo minerals that are suggested in it to try it with my 6yr old - he isn't a nightly wetter, but several times each month.  I haven't used them yet, as I forgot about them once I bottled them up and set them on the shelf. 

The mineral rich herbs we've used to make the tincture are red raspberry, oat straw, alfalfa, nettle and horsetail.  The author claims that a mineral tincture along with a licorice root tincture cured a bedwetting  problem with two of his sons.

The book also says that a good do-it-yourself mineral capsule if your child is old enough to swallow it is made from kelp, alfalfa, and dandelion.

I'll let you know if we see success from it - we're going to start using it tonight now that someone here answered my post regarding my question about a glycerite sitting too long.  Please post if you have success with anything that you try, I'm eager to help him overcome this issue.

Blessings,
Debbi


I also made up the mineral and Licorice glycerites and give them faithfully to our 7 year old every night before bed. We've been doing this for at least a month nightly,  but did it on and off before that. I'm sorry to say, it hasn't been the answer for us, at least not yet.

He wears pull-ups, we *have* to take him to the restroom everynight, (between 11-1am) and often he still somehow shoots out of his pullups and has an accident. We never make him feel bad, but I know he must. I feel bad for him and wish I could figure out the answer for the little guy.

He can swallow pills, would just giving him B-6 capsules help? Rather than the liquid cal/mag type supplement.

Would like to get to the bottom of this!  ;)
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: herbalmom February 07, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
He can swallow pills, would just giving him B-6 capsules help? Rather than the liquid cal/mag type supplement.

Mag & B6 work together. Read Let's Have Healthy Children by Adelle Davis (I think it's out of print- check the library) for more about this. Allergies can case bed wetting too- it's like the bladder sneezes. Dr Lendon Smith's books have info about this. I know my oldest would wet the bed occasionally but ONLY if he had sugar & dairy together or food coloring. One other possibility is that yeast/fungus can cause bed wetting- yes, ANOTHER thing that yeast can cause, does the list EVER end? Food for thought. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom 
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: mamasboys February 07, 2007, 04:55:23 PM
Like MamaSita, we also got a bedwetting alarm (ebay, $16 plus shipping!) for our 5year old.  We were a bit discouraged the first week as he was still wetting the bed and the alarm would wake the whole house, but within a week after that, he was totally trained!  It was great and I'd highly recommend it.
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: Melie November 11, 2007, 08:59:32 AM
Have any of you tried those Fuzzibunz overnight undies?  My 4 yold is just not able to stay dry most nights and I'd like to stop buying pull ups.  I'm wondering how well these work.  I know the diapers work great.
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: mhsmama4 November 11, 2007, 10:31:44 AM
Have any of you tried those Fuzzibunz overnight undies?  My 4 yold is just not able to stay dry most nights and I'd like to stop buying pull ups.  I'm wondering how well these work.  I know the diapers work great.

I didn't get the overnight undies, but bought the XL size Fuzzibunz since they were less expensive.  We use a second microfiber stuffer in them, and they work pretty well except with the very wettest nights...but even Pullups leak on those at times.
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: Melie November 11, 2007, 10:58:12 AM
Have any of you tried those Fuzzibunz overnight undies?  My 4 yold is just not able to stay dry most nights and I'd like to stop buying pull ups.  I'm wondering how well these work.  I know the diapers work great.

I didn't get the overnight undies, but bought the XL size Fuzzibunz since they were less expensive.  We use a second microfiber stuffer in them, and they work pretty well except with the very wettest nights...but even Pullups leak on those at times.

OH!  I wish I had read this 5 minutes ago.  I didn't think of that.  I just ordered the undies.  they are incredibly expensive, at least to me.  It won't take too much time though to make up the cost in Pull-ups and/or washing sheets every day.
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: jaemom November 11, 2007, 11:22:25 AM
My 9 yos still wets the bed.  I tried taking him off dairy and OJ.  Nothing has worked so far.  My 6 yod was a bedwetter as well.  I did the dairy thing for her as well, didn't work either.  BUT, one morning she smelled so bad, I thought maybe if we take them off OJ it at least wouldn't smell so bad.  Well, the only time she wets the bed now is if she has citrus, so no lemonade, OJ, or anything for her anymore.  Now to figure out my son.  :-\  Just thought maybe some of you with older bed wetters would find that interesting.  I wet the bed until I was 12.  :-[  I believe dairy was my trigger.
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: smileyface November 12, 2007, 03:25:33 AM
My almost 9 yr. old son also still wets the bed. We tried going diary/gluten free for about 2 weeks, there was no change. He wets almost every night. He's not a big citrus eater or drinker, every once in a great while he will have a glass of oj. He's a very heavy sleeper. I used to wake him up every night before I went to bed, but he would still wet again before morning. And he would never quite wake up all the way. A couple years ago, we tried the alarm. It worked ok, but was kind of a pain. The pads didn't last very long, and the alarm would go off even when he didn't pee. He did start having mostly dry nights. But after we quit using the alarm, he gradually started wetting more often. Now he's back to most nights. I'm thinking of trying the alarm again, though.  :-\
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: lovingmomof2 November 12, 2007, 03:50:08 AM
Have any of you tried chiropractic care.  My mom has 10 kids including me and about 1/2 of us were bed wetters.  There were a couple of the kids that chiropractic care helped.  Apparently there is a nerve or something that if it isn't aligned properly the message can't be sent to the brain that you need to pee.  My mom was also told by the pediatrician that in some kids that part of their brain takes longer to mature.  The longest any of my sibs. wet the bed was until around 12.  My mom used to have the bed wetters wear pull-ups to prevent the changing of sheets every morning, she did find that with the last one he became lazy for this reason.  He ran out of pull-ups and she didn't buy anymore, he has been fine eversince.  Hope this is helpful.
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: mhsmama4 November 12, 2007, 04:16:38 AM
Have any of you tried chiropractic care.  My mom has 10 kids including me and about 1/2 of us were bed wetters.  There were a couple of the kids that chiropractic care helped.  Apparently there is a nerve or something that if it isn't aligned properly the message can't be sent to the brain that you need to pee.  My mom was also told by the pediatrician that in some kids that part of their brain takes longer to mature.  The longest any of my sibs. wet the bed was until around 12.  My mom used to have the bed wetters wear pull-ups to prevent the changing of sheets every morning, she did find that with the last one he became lazy for this reason.  He ran out of pull-ups and she didn't buy anymore, he has been fine eversince.  Hope this is helpful.

Yes, we have.  I posted about this recently but I guess it was under the Bedwetting Alarm thread.  My 7 YO has been seeing a chiropractor for this...simply adjusting didn't seem to be working, but he added in acupuncture on her ears (using a laser) and she is doing MUCH better, dry more than half the time so far with a few treatments left to go.  My husband is also supposed to hold her upside down for one minute a day to help keep something in alignment, now that it's been "fixed".  She thinks that's pretty funny!
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: havasmama_05 November 12, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
My 6 yr old son hasn't wet the bed in two weeks now.  I just realized last night that this lines right up with the time I started giving them Bone Ami.  So I believe he was deficient in one of the ingredients (are they in the mineral category??) in Bone Ami. 

This might fall into line with the above posts of "good milk" which would have good calcium and magnesium in them. 

Interesting, huh? 

 8)



How much did you give him? I've got a 4yos still wetting heavily at night. I know he's still young, but there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. He used to have random dry nights every once in a while about a year or so ago, but not no more ;). He's a soaker! At that time we were drinking a lot more juice (now, almost always water) at breakfast. Sometimes it was OJ, but mainly cranberry. Does anyone have a theory on cranberry juice; since it's good for urinary tract infections, could it be good for bladder control ::)? Kinda like the bad milk vs. good milk theory. Or is that just wishful thinking?
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: havasmama_05 November 16, 2007, 09:10:01 AM
bump

My 6 yr old son hasn't wet the bed in two weeks now.  I just realized last night that this lines right up with the time I started giving them Bone Ami.  So I believe he was deficient in one of the ingredients (are they in the mineral category??) in Bone Ami. 

This might fall into line with the above posts of "good milk" which would have good calcium and magnesium in them. 

Interesting, huh? 

 8)



How much did you give him? I've got a 4yos still wetting heavily at night. I know he's still young, but there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. He used to have random dry nights every once in a while about a year or so ago, but not no more ;). He's a soaker! At that time we were drinking a lot more juice (now, almost always water) at breakfast. Sometimes it was OJ, but mainly cranberry. Does anyone have a theory on cranberry juice; since it's good for urinary tract infections, could it be good for bladder control ::)? Kinda like the bad milk vs. good milk theory. Or is that just wishful thinking?
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: 1ofeach January 28, 2008, 05:49:28 AM
OK, my ds, age 8, has been dry for over a week. We've tried:

1. limiting fluid intake after a certain time
2. giving a spoonful of honey before bedtime
3. an alarm

All to no avail, and then I read about a gal whose doctor who suggested having the child drink epsom salts dissolved in water. Epsom salts = magnesium sulfate. I had some Solgar calcium/magnesium tablets in my cupboard and tried one pill a day, expecting it to take a few days or weeks. He has been dry since day 1. I'm thinking of eventually going to every other day, or less, but I'm interested in what you all think. My Solgar tablets have 400 mg each of magnesium "as magnesium oxide, magnesium citrate and magnesium gluconate."

If you think this is not safe for my ds, please let me know. I used what I had on hand, it's working and so far I see no other side effects, but always worry about long-term, kwim?

If this would help any other mother who's weary of this struggle, I just had to share.  ;D
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: Pennie January 28, 2008, 06:57:35 AM
Just thought I would post this.  I wet the bed until I was 8, I was probably close to nine I am thinking.  Well, my son who will be 9 in April has been a soaker wetting the bed.  We tried chiropractor, limiting fluids, getting him up......nothing.  Then about a month ago we ran out of pullups again and decided to just try it.  My husband would get him up once and that seemed to work.  Then one night when he was complaining while setting the alarm to get up I said when are you going to try letting him go all night?  He said how about tonight.   ;D  That night and a coupld nights after my son got himself up and now he is making it thru most nights.  I think once in the last couple of weeks I have heard him get up on his own.  I think in some cases it really is just a matter a the bladder growing and maturing.  Out of five he so far is the only one that is going to have that trouble.  Remains to be seen about my 2 yr old but she is a girl and I hear boys have more trouble even though I did.  My dad did......I think he inherited it.  I even tried homeopathic stuff nothing worked.  I think he just had to grow. 
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: kcb January 28, 2008, 09:27:31 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if someone has already posted this type of answer . . .

My mother solved this problem with my brother by having him strengthen the muscles involved.  Whenever he urinated, he stopped and started three times to exercise the muscle.  After a very short time, he stopped wetting the bed.  He was 9. 

BTW, he had some accidents while awake, too.  I don't know if that is a different problem or not.
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: abcathome January 29, 2008, 09:38:44 AM
My mother solved this problem with my brother by having him strengthen the muscles involved.  Whenever he urinated, he stopped and started three times to exercise the muscle.  After a very short time, he stopped wetting the bed.  He was 9. 

These are the same exercises (Kegel's) that we women do to help incontinence later in life (or for many of us (ME!) after having children!).  Apparently, men and women have these same muscles and it works for both. :)
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: abcathome January 29, 2008, 09:41:27 AM
I know many of you have mentioned cutting out milk and that it's helped a great deal....  I'm wondering if you cut ALL dairy products and by-products (which is a HUGE list!) or just the liquid milk.  I just want to know if I need to cut out cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, and other by-products found in other foods. 

BTW, thanks so much for all of these ideas.  I plan on talking to my chiro next time I"m in there.  This particular ds has never been adjusted and I'm wondering if there is something to that.
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: MommyGus January 29, 2008, 11:59:06 AM
A couple of my kids had bedwetting problems.  The problem in our house was citrus.  Allergies probably play a big part in most bedwetting problems IMO, and dairy is a big allergen, but it could be something else too.  Once I figured this out with the oldest, I just kept the other kids off citrus (or any kind of juice from concentrate) while we were potty training just to be safe.  Once we got past potty training I tried them on a little to see if they had a problem.  The ones that did have problems did eventually out grow it.    
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: healthybratt January 31, 2008, 05:57:41 AM
I know many of you have mentioned cutting out milk and that it's helped a great deal....  I'm wondering if you cut ALL dairy products and by-products (which is a HUGE list!) or just the liquid milk.  I just want to know if I need to cut out cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, and other by-products found in other foods. 

BTW, thanks so much for all of these ideas.  I plan on talking to my chiro next time I"m in there.  This particular ds has never been adjusted and I'm wondering if there is something to that.

My dd wet when she drank milk raw or storebought, but she could have it in kefir, mashed potatoes, gravy, cheese, etc with no problems.  Still working on the boy.  He's not 4 yet and he's still a night wetter, but he wets less often when he doesn't drink milk or citrus (weird, cuz they can eat oranges with no problems, but of course 1 orange is considerably less juice than a glass of OJ).
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: joyfulwifeandmother February 12, 2008, 06:08:36 AM
Has any mothers experienced there sons only wetting the bed at night. My son gets his "manly thing" that happens every night, and wets out his diaper, shoots right out the top. I have tried double diapers, tight pants, etc... It has happend now for over a month nearly every single night. I have tried other diapers, nothing helps!  ANY SUGGESTIONS!!  Thanks
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: Siege February 12, 2008, 06:19:27 AM
point him down when you diaper him, not up. This helps. CJ
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: jhandrh February 12, 2008, 09:28:58 AM
Has any mothers experienced there sons only wetting the bed at night. My son gets his "manly thing" that happens every night, and wets out his diaper, shoots right out the top. I have tried double diapers, tight pants, etc... It has happend now for over a month nearly every single night. I have tried other diapers, nothing helps!  ANY SUGGESTIONS!!  Thanks

i used disposable diapers (please don't shun me--i just was not ready to wash poopy diapers all the time! :P) and then put the plastic pants (like you would use for cloth diapers) over that.  and made sure his little bipper was pointing down.  also my son would, um, play with his, um, manly thing if it was accessible so one piece pj's discouraged that.  we still had some soggy mornings but that helped a lot.  good luck!  if all else fails, get a bunch of sheets, a bunch of pj's, and a plastic mattress cover.  this too shall pass. ::)
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: joyfulwifeandmother February 12, 2008, 11:51:05 AM
Oh yes, I am a big fan of disposible diapers  :)
Thanks, I was just thinking about putting one piece pajamas on him. He too, likes to um play with his manliness! So he will be sad.
Glad to know, this too shall pass.
And we always point him down before bedtime...but still.... ???

Thanks for the comments.
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: happyhomemaker February 12, 2008, 01:29:15 PM
We have found that if our son (3+)  eats anything with sugar  before bed, he will  wet EVERYTHING usually before we get in our bed for the night.  Just a thought.  Sometimes, even juice or something like that will do it. Doesn't have to be "dessert" or something really sweet.
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: healthybratt February 12, 2008, 01:37:17 PM
point him down when you diaper him, not up. This helps. CJ
*snicker*  yup.  I ditto this. ;D
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: joyfulwifeandmother February 12, 2008, 04:23:06 PM
He does drink a small glass of juice mixed with water before he goes to bed.  I will definetely consider the juice thing. 

Thanks for the help
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: YoopreMama February 13, 2008, 02:21:11 AM
There's another thread that sounds familiar...citrus, dairy and hot chocolate being culprits...putting a wool blanket down could be helpful, or those lap pads that are so absorbent..towels...

I found some links:

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2367.msg139382.html#msg139382
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3517.msg131658.html#msg131658
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2019.0.html

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: Leah IL February 19, 2008, 02:28:36 AM
This might sound strange, but my 4 year old, who wets the bed every night and every naptime, has stayed dry the last 4 times I gave him kombucha to drink in the daytime.  I don't give it to him every day, maybe every other day, because my husband has concerns about the caffeine.  Plus we run out of it in a few days and then have to wait the 2 weeks for it to brew, so I haven't been able to run a proper experiment.  But he seems to be staying dry those nights...can anyone think of a reason why that might be??
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: ruhamah February 19, 2008, 02:31:35 AM
This might sound strange, but my 4 year old, who wets the bed every night and every naptime, has stayed dry the last 4 times I gave him kombucha to drink in the daytime.  I don't give it to him every day, maybe every other day, because my husband has concerns about the caffeine.  Plus we run out of it in a few days and then have to wait the 2 weeks for it to brew, so I haven't been able to run a proper experiment.  But he seems to be staying dry those nights...can anyone think of a reason why that might be??

Candida yeast.

I read that bed wetting was on the list and kombucha helps to fight yeast.

R
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: SC February 19, 2008, 02:53:33 AM
I have found that we have problems with bed wetting when/if I allow the kids to eat foods served at a restaurant or a large get-together where lots of canned & processed foods are served. It is the body's way of getting rid of the toxins in the foods. Thankfully, their systems are very efficient in dealing with these things. The wet bed is a reminder that we have indulged just a little too much and need to resume our normal habits.

It may not always be yeast, but along a similar vein, these things can be symptoms of food sensitivities. Common culprits are enriched breads, canned items, cured meats (including luncheon meats, smoked meats, canned meats, etc.), sodas, chips, etc. These contain a wide spectrum of things like nitrates, nitrites, coloring agents, molds, etc. which can trigger a food sensitivity and/or a bit of an allergic response that displays itself in changed/altered sleep habits (including bed wetting).
HTH
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: GarlicMom March 07, 2008, 05:47:45 PM
a teaspoon of honey will do it. Give it to him right before bed and no more. The honey absorbes the liquid and keeps it in the body and not on the baby ect.
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: girly March 09, 2008, 07:18:21 AM
a teaspoon of honey will do it. Give it to him right before bed and no more. The honey absorbes the liquid and keeps it in the body and not on the baby ect.

My just turned 5 year old is a terrible bed wetter.  He wets the bed 5 nights a week and we've tried so many things to curb this.  Last night we made sure to not have any juices in the evening - we don't do pop or kool-aid drinks at all anyways.  No milk either - just water all evening.  I gave him 1 tsp. of honey and thankfully he woke up dry this morning.  I recognize this could be coincidental but we were all pleased and will try it again tonight.  One question though, why is honey (a sugary substance) okay but nothing else sweet (juices, dessert, etc...).  I just don't understand what the difference is & I'd be interested to know.  Thanks!
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: healthybratt March 09, 2008, 07:32:31 AM
a teaspoon of honey will do it. Give it to him right before bed and no more. The honey absorbes the liquid and keeps it in the body and not on the baby ect.

My just turned 5 year old is a terrible bed wetter.  He wets the bed 5 nights a week and we've tried so many things to curb this.  Last night we made sure to not have any juices in the evening - we don't do pop or kool-aid drinks at all anyways.  No milk either - just water all evening.  I gave him 1 tsp. of honey and thankfully he woke up dry this morning.  I recognize this could be coincidental but we were all pleased and will try it again tonight.  One question though, why is honey (a sugary substance) okay but nothing else sweet (juices, dessert, etc...).  I just don't understand what the difference is & I'd be interested to know.  Thanks!
I know nothing about sugar but the juices is most likely a problem with acids...this is why milk is also a problem (I think).
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: Helpmeetmom March 09, 2008, 08:27:28 AM
Okay I've posted this somewhere before too, but does your son ever come into contact with bleach, or chlorine of any kind?  My son doesn't have any noticeable reaction to bleach, like rash or anything, but for some reason, if he comes in contact with it during the day, he will wet at night.  He had been potty trained for a year, and I sprayed some clorox spray on his bed one day , and he started wetting again.  He also didn't "make it" to the potty, a problem he hadn't had since before he was two.  I don't know how I even made the connection, it had to be the Lord, although it was kind of obvious, it wasn't obvious to me. I also realized that there is chlorine in most disposable dipes too.  Maybe that's why some kids have a tough time with going in the potty.  I think it may have something to do with the nervous system or something.
       Anyway, just something else to consider.  Oh, by the way, I got rid of all chlorine/bleach in the house, and my son hasn't had a problem since.  I don't think he is unique in this way, I wonder if others have had problems like this too, and didn't make the connection as I didn't.  Hope that helps! 
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: girly March 09, 2008, 03:39:19 PM
Wow - that is an interesting connection.  I do bleach his bedding sometimes if white linens are really soaked or yellowed.  Also, his liners (night time potty pants) and underwear get bleached if they are particularly stinky/stained.  I will be sure to quit doing that just in case.  Thanks for sharing that with me :)

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: MommyGus March 09, 2008, 05:08:38 PM
We don't use bleach either.  Hydrogen peroxide in the wash heps things get whiter (this info maybe belongs in another thread sorry ;)) if you still need something to get things white w/o bleach.  

We have noticed juice is our main culprit when it comes to bed wetting, particularly citrus.  I never knew that about bleach.  I learn so much here  :)
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: healthybratt March 10, 2008, 04:01:21 AM
a teaspoon of honey will do it. Give it to him right before bed and no more. The honey absorbes the liquid and keeps it in the body and not on the baby ect.
I tried this last night and it didn't work.  Is there some time thing?  Repeat doses?  My son doesn't drink juice or milk.
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: kamom March 10, 2008, 04:09:12 AM
  Would feeding them a salty snack at bedtime help?  I know if I eat salty snacks while traveling, I don't have to do to the bathroom as often.....
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: Helpmeetmom March 10, 2008, 06:13:16 AM
You're welcome, with us the results were immediate after we cut out the bleach.  How is it going with you now?

Wow - that is an interesting connection.  I do bleach his bedding sometimes if white linens are really soaked or yellowed.  Also, his liners (night time potty pants) and underwear get bleached if they are particularly stinky/stained.  I will be sure to quit doing that just in case.  Thanks for sharing that with me :)


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: girly March 10, 2008, 08:34:36 AM
well, we got home late last night after visiting with my mom and we forgot about honey - he wet the bed again  :P  i will remember tonight!!!  i'm trying to cut back on salt but that's an idea too - i'll keep posted with our results. 

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: Jemima March 17, 2008, 06:23:12 AM
I don't know if this question should go here, or in the "sleeping through the night" thread, but anyway...

My son (now 1 yr) has been wetting through his diaper (we use disposable Huggies) since about 6 months - the same time I had to stop nursing, and give him goat's milk bottles.  I think there must be some correlation there.  He always drinks a bottle before bed, and still (we're trying to figure out how to drop this one - open to suggestions!) wakes up around 5 am for another one.  He's usually dry then, but when we wakes a couple hours later, is soaked. I used to change him in the middle of the night, but gave it up because I got lazy. 

What could I do to help with this? That before-bed-bottle is part of his bedtime routine that really seems to relax and calm him, so I don't know how we could give that up. I'd love to elminate the early morning bottle, but, even though he's slept till 7 without it, almost always wakes up, crying till he gets it.

Please direct me to a more appropriate thread, if there is one for this question. Thanks!
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: Kari April 05, 2008, 04:46:02 PM
I have four kids, girls and boys.  For us bedwetting is guaranteed if they drink milk OR juice  before bed.  They can drink a whole glass of water and not wet their beds.

Also, going to bed too late (I think they are too tired during their sleep to recognize the need to get and go) or even eating a meal too close to their bedtime.

All avoidable conditions.

Hope this helps. Kari
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: kcb April 07, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
My son (now 1 yr) has been wetting through his diaper (we use disposable Huggies) since about 6 months

There are lots of suggestions on this thread for older kids, but since your ds is younger, why not try some better diapers?  I have actually used two diaper layers for overnight.  I recommend his usual diaper, with a "Good Night" over it.  The "Good Nights" are bigger, with more absorption for overnight.
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: GarlicMom July 08, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
a teaspoon of honey will do it. Give it to him right before bed and no more. The honey absorbes the liquid and keeps it in the body and not on the baby ect.
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: healthybratt July 09, 2008, 07:26:10 AM
a teaspoon of honey will do it. Give it to him right before bed and no more. The honey absorbes the liquid and keeps it in the body and not on the baby ect.
This didn't work for my boy.
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: mamaoffour July 09, 2008, 08:57:04 AM
This may be a little off topic, but I thought it was worth mentioning.  My son used to wet the bed alot when he had anything such as milk or bananas.  Of course, he has IgG reactions to tons of foods, so we basically cut those offenders out.  We also used to live in a house that had a mold problem at one time, I also believe this caused issues with bed wetting as well.  I think my son's immune system was overwhelmed with toxins and food allergies, so this was the way his system got the impurities out.  Just my two cents!  Maybe you could look into food allergies??  Since we moved and cut out all the offending foods he stopped bed wetting!!  ;D  Good luck to you.


Misty
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: 1ofeach July 09, 2008, 09:14:02 AM
my story  (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2019.msg144935.html#msg144935)

I'd be leary of giving too much magnesium to a child that young and small, but I would (and should) research foods that are rich in magnesium, as well what foods block/absorb magnesium. I'm telling you, it's been months. No wet bed! I give my son a tablet once or twice a week, and we have our lives back. :)
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: 1ofeach July 09, 2008, 09:35:20 AM
OK, my ds, age 8, has been dry for over a week. We've tried:

1. limiting fluid intake after a certain time
2. giving a spoonful of honey before bedtime
3. an alarm

All to no avail, and then I read about a gal whose doctor who suggested having the child drink epsom salts dissolved in water. Epsom salts = magnesium sulfate. I had some Solgar calcium/magnesium tablets in my cupboard and tried one pill a day, expecting it to take a few days or weeks. He has been dry since day 1. I'm thinking of eventually going to every other day, or less, but I'm interested in what you all think. My Solgar tablets have 400 mg each of magnesium "as magnesium oxide, magnesium citrate and magnesium gluconate."

If you think this is not safe for my ds, please let me know. I used what I had on hand, it's working and so far I see no other side effects, but always worry about long-term, kwim?

If this would help any other mother who's weary of this struggle, I just had to share.  ;D

Thought I'd post an update. Success! Nothing but dry nights here, and I only have dear son take the magnesium 1-2 times a week. I bet we've gone a week w/o any too. :)
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: hi_itsgwen October 04, 2008, 06:51:27 AM
This is a related topic from the Children's vitamin thread...I thought it would be helpful here as well.

Okay, new issue . . .  ::) 

I started my children (4yo DS and 21-1/2mo DD) on the NOW Calcium-Magnesium, and they are doing well with it.  Also, DS is taking NOW's Multi and is also doing well, but I have a few questions...
Since DS has been on both of the supplements he has started being wet (sometimes soaked) whenever he wakes up from any sleep, whether afternoon time or in the morning.  Before I started him on these, he would be dry everyday from his nap, and I would say he would be wet in the morning maybe once or twice a month.  Is there something in either the Cal-Mag or the Multi that would cause him to start doing this?  When I looked up bed-wetting, all my resources said that having these two things in the diet were very important to curtail bedwetting, so this is confusing.   ???  What am I missing?

I found this in the Prescription for Nutritional Healing, James and Phyllis Balch:

"Magnesium:
Warnings ...the presence of flouride, and high amounts of zinc and vitamin D all increase the body's need for magnesium... 
Large amounts of fats, cod liver oil, calcium, vitamin D and protein decrease magnesium absorption.  Foods high in oxolic acid, such as almonds, chard, cocoa, rhubar, spinach, and tea, also inhibit magnesium absorption."

Also, just for reference, here are some natural sources of magnesium:
"...dairy products, fish, meat and seafood.  Other rich food sources include apples, apricots, avacados, bananas, blackstap molasses, brewer's yeast, brown rice, figs, garlic, kelp, lima beans, millet, nuts, peaches, black-eyed peas, salmon, sesame seeds, tofu, tourla, green leafy vegetables, wheat and whole grains."

~Gwen
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: hi_itsgwen November 11, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
Update on our Magnesium experiment:
My son showed several signs of magnesium defficiency, including wetting the bed at night, having trouble falling asleep, sleeping very deeply (hence the bed wetting), very accute hearing, and irritable/extra-sensitive.

I started giving him one Magnesium/Zinc/Calcium just before bed with some orange juice.  Acids are supposed to help with absorption.  We continued this for a week, adding in an extra tablet with his morning vitamins as well.  Around a week passed, and we began to see major improvements.  He goes to bed and to sleep much easier, and is way calmer and more in control of his emotions.  And he didn't wet the bed for 2 weeks!!!  YAY! 

He did wet the night before last, and we tracked it down to switching over to a plain magnesium oxide instead of the blend.  We went back to the blend, and he didn't wet.  Tonight, he was in a very extreme mood, and my hubby said "Did he take his vitamins?"  Actually, now that you mention it, they're still sitting there from this morning in his vit. cup.  So, there you go.  Major changes from the Magnesium.

We use the drug store/cheapie blend, and it seems to work just fine for us.  We tried some Natural Calm from my Mom, but it is too pricey and more of a hassle to mix and take twice daily.  We also didn't notice any benefits from the pricier Natural Calm, so we'll stick with the cheapie for now.

My theory on my son's defficiency (at the moment) is that he's always been a big guy and has dramatic growth spurts.  He's in a size 8 in the 1st grade.  So I think his body needs additional mineral support.  Also, he probably has some of the metal poisoning from flouride and vaccinations  :-[, which cause him to need more as well. 
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: paradisemamma November 11, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
Update on our Magnesium experiment:
My son showed several signs of magnesium defficiency, including wetting the bed at night, having trouble falling asleep, sleeping very deeply (hence the bed wetting), very accute hearing, and irritable/extra-sensitive.

I started giving him one Magnesium/Zinc/Calcium just before bed with some orange juice.  Acids are supposed to help with absorption.  We continued this for a week, adding in an extra tablet with his morning vitamins as well.  Around a week passed, and we began to see major improvements.  He goes to bed and to sleep much easier, and is way calmer and more in control of his emotions.  And he didn't wet the bed for 2 weeks!!!  YAY! 

He did wet the night before last, and we tracked it down to switching over to a plain magnesium oxide instead of the blend.  We went back to the blend, and he didn't wet.  Tonight, he was in a very extreme mood, and my hubby said "Did he take his vitamins?"  Actually, now that you mention it, they're still sitting there from this morning in his vit. cup.  So, there you go.  Major changes from the Magnesium.

We use the drug store/cheapie blend, and it seems to work just fine for us.  We tried some Natural Calm from my Mom, but it is too pricey and more of a hassle to mix and take twice daily.  We also didn't notice any benefits from the pricier Natural Calm, so we'll stick with the cheapie for now.

My theory on my son's defficiency (at the moment) is that he's always been a big guy and has dramatic growth spurts.  He's in a size 8 in the 1st grade.  So I think his body needs additional mineral support.  Also, he probably has some of the metal poisoning from flouride and vaccinations  :-[, which cause him to need more as well. 
Thanks for sharing the results of the magnesium experiment! ;D
We have three children who wet the bed ages 7 (almost 8yr) , 5, and 4.
They all seem to also have strange digestion issues. No one in our home has ever done  any kind of toxicity cleanse although I am very intersted in trying it out.  I think we'll start with the magnesium like you mentioned first and post later on if it was helpful to any of them.  :-\
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: hi_itsgwen November 12, 2008, 02:29:47 AM
Sure :)  I hope it helps. 

My son and daughter both have growing pains in their bones occasionally, which I am thinking the calcium will help with as well.

Gwen
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: hudymom4 January 16, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
Thank you so much for sharing.. I would love to hear about your research on bed wetting.  I have had 3 out of 4 bedwetting children.  My oldest quit at 12 he is 16 now. the 2nd still wets occassionally  he is 14.  My daughter wets most every night she is 11.  We have tried lots of remedies nothing has been lasting.  Please keep in touch.
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: hi_itsgwen January 16, 2009, 05:05:33 PM
My son's bedwetting has almost disappeared.  He is not always consistent with taking his magnesium before bed.  He takes one Cal/Mag/Zinc with a small glass of OJ.  Early on, if he skipped a dose, he would ALWAYS wet.  Other nights, when he took it, he would not.  I also noticed that as we've gone through a growth spurt, his wetting and his growing pains returned, so we upped his dosage to one in the morning and one at night, and that took care of it.  On days when he has eaten a lot of sugar, he is more prone to wet...sugar leaches magnesium as it digests. 

We had used an eneuresis alarm at the age of 4, with limited results.  He went from going 3 times a night to only once.  For the past month or so, I have maybe washed one load of sheets from wetting.  That is just amazing to me.  He is 6 1/2, and showed no signs of stopping before the magnesium therapy.  It takes a while to saturate and bump the levels.  If I had to do it over again, I might use chloryphyll instead of the cal/mag/zinc.

HTH!
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: paradisemamma January 16, 2009, 06:00:13 PM
My son's bedwetting has almost disappeared.  He is not always consistent with taking his magnesium before bed.  He takes one Cal/Mag/Zinc with a small glass of OJ.  Early on, if he skipped a dose, he would ALWAYS wet.  Other nights, when he took it, he would not.  I also noticed that as we've gone through a growth spurt, his wetting and his growing pains returned, so we upped his dosage to one in the morning and one at night, and that took care of it.  On days when he has eaten a lot of sugar, he is more prone to wet...sugar leaches magnesium as it digests. 

We had used an eneuresis alarm at the age of 4, with limited results.  He went from going 3 times a night to only once.  For the past month or so, I have maybe washed one load of sheets from wetting.  That is just amazing to me.  He is 6 1/2, and showed no signs of stopping before the magnesium therapy.  It takes a while to saturate and bump the levels.  If I had to do it over again, I might use chloryphyll instead of the cal/mag/zinc.

HTH!
I ended up giving the Mag/Cal/Zinc to our 5yo DS to help him stop the bedwetting. He still wets around every other night. I am wondering what reasonable time frame would be needed to see any positive results? ??? I am also wondering if the dosage should be increased and if the brand matters ? ??? He is taking Nature's Made Vit D 200 I.U.'s, Calcium 333 mg, and Zinc 5 mg. He takes 1 tab each (most) nights before bed.  (We have 2 other children 4yo and 8yo who wet frequently as well. They however were unable to swallow the Mag. supplement.) Can the tablets be crushed and added to food so it's easier for them to take? ???
 
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: hi_itsgwen January 17, 2009, 06:09:50 PM
I would personally feel comfortable upping the dose to bowel tollerance.  Magnesium is an effective laxative.  Maybe one in the morning and one at night to space the dosage out.  You may be able to find in in the pharmacy section as a liquid called magnesium citrate.  It's sold in glass bottles.  Check the mg per dose to decide initial dosage.  That should work for your non-pill takers. 

You are using the same brand that we do.  I read that magnesium absorbs better with an acidic environment...so before meals works better.  We took ours with Orange Juice...one in the morning and one at night.

On days when they've had a lot of sugar (birthday parties, etc.) I will give him an extra one.  Sugar depletes magnesium stores as well.
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: havasmama_05 January 21, 2009, 08:58:18 AM
I happened upon this book in the library the other day - The Complete Bedwetting Book (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?oe=utf-8&q=Complete+bedwetting+book&cid=1637429867481379369#ps-sellers). I wouldn't say it's complete, but I did gain some knowledge out of it. He talks about the alarm and even meds (tho, he says, he's not fond of going that route). He also talked about daytime potty habits that effect the nighttime. The things he lists range from constipation to daytime accidents/dribbles, wiggling/dancing/holding instead of going, needing to go immediately, not fully emptying the bladder (making "pit stops") and more. He gives advice to help relieve these problems. He says that helping our children to be a good daytime pottier makes a good nighttime pottier. Anyway, today I'm starting a little regimen. I've been taking my kids (ds 5 & dd 3) potty about an hour or 2 after they go to bed (when we are getting to bed). Now, during the day, I make the kids go potty every 2 hrs and have them stay a few extra moments to make sure everything is out. I talked to ds about it yesterday and dd today. Both are very cooperative. I'm not big on rewarding and the like, but I did print out a calendar page for this month w/ each one's name where, every night that they stay dry, they can put a sticker on the date. Maybe even a sticker for being good daytime pottiers as well, I don't know. Just thought I'd share the info. Hopefully I'll remember to come back and post our (hopefully)success.

PS  Something encouraging on the back of the book - there were quotes from people who have implemented his ideas and one said that they used the alarm with no success, but when they implemented the daytime potty routine, their child became dry at night.
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: hi_itsgwen January 21, 2009, 09:18:51 AM
Regarding the nighttime alarm:
I will share a little more on this, since it did help us somewhat.  We got the alarm when my son was almost 5.  He wet almost nightly, and was embarrassed of wearing the diapers to bed.  I was also very tired of the loads and loads of laundry (he would kick the pads out of the way in his sleep).  He woke up in cold puddles every morning. :(

The first night he wore it, we were shocked to discover that he was actually wetting 3 times.  Once about an hour after going to bed, once around 3 AM and once around 6 AM.  This helped us to figure out when he needed to get up and go.  We had no idea he was wetting 3 times a night!  We let him wear the alarm for about 2 weeks, to let it do it's job.  It's supposed to train their conscious subconscious mind (by the annoying beeping) that there is bladder urgency, eventually training them to wake up on their own when that feeling comes on.  We also began getting him up an hour or so after he went to bed and just before we went to bed and taking him to the bathroom.  This did help him a lot, and he began to get up himself and go on his own. 

So we did have some great benefits from using the alarm, but he was continueing to wet once a night in the wee hours of the morning.  The magnesium has been the key for us. 

I wish I has read the book you mentioned HM_05.  It's interesting that it correlates holding to nightime wetting...that may be an issue, as he is bad about waiting till the last minute to go, and then having to go really bad.  Putting his favorite books in the bathroom has worked well in keeping him on the pot.  It actually works too well sometimes. :)
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: amandas5boys January 21, 2009, 02:36:13 PM


 I read about a gal whose doctor who suggested having the child drink epsom salts dissolved in water. Epsom salts = magnesium sulfate.    ;D
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NOt sure if doing all this right as I am new, but I am wandering if I give epsom salts how much to give? Any one know?
Thanks
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: westernskys January 21, 2009, 03:39:11 PM
Could emotional problems bring on bedwetting?
My son was very easy and quick to toilet train. at 2 years, he was 'trustworthy' in six days. Even before he was day-trained, he was night-dry. That lasted 1 1/2 years, then he started wetting almost nightly.
I finally realized that the beginning of the bedwetting coincided somewhat (someone else pionted out the connection recently, so now I cant remember exactly 'when' it started) with my baby drowning. my bedwetter was the only witness to the drowning - he was 3 1/2 at the time. there was no blame, guilt, etc. not even in our thoughts. we were especially careful to take time to meet the needs of our two kids during that time.  but could that emotional blow be responsible for the wetting? My kids were 5, 3, and 2 and the 2yob drowned. they were close playmates. If so, what have I done wrong, and how can I correct the problem? we are water drinkers, vitamin-takers, pretty healthy food....I dont let him drink during the evening, dont shame him, etc. He IS a VERY sound sleeper...he almost will NOT wake up during the early hours of the night. Any ideas? btw - he is 5 1/2 now.
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: mykidsmom January 21, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
Hi Westernskys,

Emotional issues can certainly cause bedwetting to kick in.  Since your boy is a hard sleeper this might be the time to just use a bedwetting alarm to train his body to get up and go even if he's asleep.  My boy is a HARD sleeper and the alarm taught him to get up within 6 weeks all by himself.  Each week we had one more dry night.  Even now, 2yrs later, he is literally totally asleep when he gets up to go potty in the night.  Sometimes we even find him asleep on the bathroom rug.   ;D  I would caution though to make sure he SITS when he goes at night because if he's asleep you'll have a MESS to clean up in the morning.  With sleep comes ZERO aim!  Since there is the possibility this could be emotional using an alarm to train his brain/body to wake up might be the easiest way to do it. 

But, there is one other thing it could be (although it sounds like the emotionally timing would be right for what you described).  Food allergies will also cause bedwetting so if he's developed any sort of food allergies in the past couple of years that could be it. 

You could explore both of these and see what works. 

patti
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: havasmama_05 April 15, 2009, 05:47:20 AM
Has anyone had any success w/ Hylands bedwetting tablets?
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: beppyjo April 15, 2009, 07:23:37 AM
We tried them but I couldn't remember to give them to her as often as directed ( I think it was 4 times a day?) and so we never saw any benefits. I didn't keep it up very long though.

 My daughter is 6 and has only been dry consistently for the last 2-3 months. What we ended up doing was a reward chart. If she woke up dry she got to mark it on her chart and when her chart was full she got to spend ~$10 at a local store. I think there were 26 spots to fill in on her chart.


 HTH!
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: amandas5boys May 02, 2009, 12:32:26 AM
I need some help. My Seven year old is not a normal bed wetter. He has always been dry through the night as soon as he was potty trained, but now he is wetting every night. I can't think of any changes in our lives. No trauma or anything. It has just started about a month ago and he has been wet every night. Anyone with any suggestions?

Also has anyone tried "tinc tracks" herbal minerals? I saw it out of " The ABC Herbal" book. How did they go?

Oh by-the-way my others were all dry right after being potty trained and then at 3 they started wetting. My now 2 yr. old is never dry at night he will wet several times in the night and he is my only that has ever wet at nap but almost every nap he will wake up wet. It sure is costly having to wash all these sheets! I put things under them to catch it but some how they always find a way to get the sheets.

Any help Please.
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: lovingmomof2 May 02, 2009, 02:34:51 AM
I need some help. My Seven year old is not a normal bed wetter. He has always been dry through the night as soon as he was potty trained, but now he is wetting every night. I can't think of any changes in our lives. No trauma or anything. It has just started about a month ago and he has been wet every night. Anyone with any suggestions?

Also has anyone tried "tinc tracks" herbal minerals? I saw it out of " The ABC Herbal" book. How did they go?

Oh by-the-way my others were all dry right after being potty trained and then at 3 they started wetting. My now 2 yr. old is never dry at night he will wet several times in the night and he is my only that has ever wet at nap but almost every nap he will wake up wet. It sure is costly having to wash all these sheets! I put things under them to catch it but some how they always find a way to get the sheets.

Any help Please.

Have you taken them to a chiropractor?  On several occasions this has happended with one of my younger siblings and every time it was due to needing an adjustment.  From what I can remember is has something to do with a nerve not being able to take the signal that they need to go pee in while they are sleeping.  This worked for the ones that were not normally bed wetters.
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: mykidsmom May 02, 2009, 03:13:48 AM
I need some help. My Seven year old is not a normal bed wetter. He has always been dry through the night as soon as he was potty trained, but now he is wetting every night. I can't think of any changes in our lives. No trauma or anything. It has just started about a month ago and he has been wet every night. Anyone with any suggestions?

Also has anyone tried "tinc tracks" herbal minerals? I saw it out of " The ABC Herbal" book. How did they go?

Oh by-the-way my others were all dry right after being potty trained and then at 3 they started wetting. My now 2 yr. old is never dry at night he will wet several times in the night and he is my only that has ever wet at nap but almost every nap he will wake up wet. It sure is costly having to wash all these sheets! I put things under them to catch it but some how they always find a way to get the sheets.

Any help Please.


Food allergies will cause this.  You might consider having the two children tested.  My guess is you'll find a dairy allergy in there as that seems to cause issues with bedwetting.

patti
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: amandas5boys May 03, 2009, 03:18:23 PM
 I am quite scared of chiropractors. I have been told once you start going that is it you have to keep going. Also had a bad experience with one checking allergies and then putting a bottle of water in a tray hooked to a computer down loading what ever the boy need from the computer to the bottle and there you go his med.s. Seems like a lot of hocus pocus to me. ???

That is an interesting point though. How regularly do you have to go back?

Patty,
I have all of the genes for celiac as does at least one of my sons (the only one checked). But both he and I have tested negative for the disease. But haven't done the biopsy yet. My mother, Grandmother and Aunt all have it. Wonder if it could have anything to do with it? We don't really use cow dairy As we have milking goats and we drink their milk.

Still wandering has any one tried the tinc tracks mentioned in ABC Herbel?
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: maceoghain May 03, 2009, 07:19:08 PM
Just a quick note on chiropractors...

In my experience, they can be very beneficial if you go to a licensed, reputable Doctor of Chiropractic. (From your description, it sounds like you may indeed have experienced a "quack" rather than a real chiropractor).

As for needing to continue treatment once you start, that really depends on you. If you stay in good physical shape and specifically exercise the muscles surrounding the area that is giving you trouble, then the muscles will hold it in place, limiting the need for further adjustments. However, if you are like me (lazy!  ::)), you may find you need to go more often because your muscles are too weak to keep your spine and joints in proper alignment.

Knowing what a help it has been for me in nerve-related issues, I think it would be worth a shot for the bed-wetting... HTH! kate  :)

P.S. My chiropractor is a graduate of the Palmer College of Chiropractic and he is excellent. No quackery, just a straightforward knowledge of the body and how bones, muscles, joints and nerves work together. Here is a link to the college website where you can find a Palmer-trained doctor in your area: https://www.palmer.edu/forms.aspx?ekfrm=1242 (https://www.palmer.edu/forms.aspx?ekfrm=1242)

Gee, they should pay me!  ;)
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: lovingmomof2 May 04, 2009, 02:16:37 AM
All the chiropractor's I have used have graduated from Palmer and they are great.  I did try a chiropractor that hadn't graduated from Palmer and he  was terrible, I actually felt worse after leaving than I did before I went in.  As far as how often to go, we usually go when ever we feel we need it.  I would say on average every other month or so.  If we get sick I will make an appointment.  Having good alignment helps every thing to do what it is supposed to to to get better.  I did find that once I started doing transformetric (I think this is very similar to chicometrics) I didn't need adjustment as often because I had strengthened my back and neck muscles (my weak areas).
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: mykidsmom May 04, 2009, 04:56:18 AM

Patty,
I have all of the genes for celiac as does at least one of my sons (the only one checked). But both he and I have tested negative for the disease. But haven't done the biopsy yet. My mother, Grandmother and Aunt all have it. Wonder if it could have anything to do with it? We don't really use cow dairy As we have milking goats and we drink their milk.


I can only go off of my experience but your DS symptoms are exactly how my son's were with the wetting.  Also, all three of my kids are highly allergic to goats milk so it's completely possible that your son is as well.  We were using goats milk as a substitute for cow because I knew they had a dairy allergy.  Ends up the goats milk didn't help them at all.  If I had that many family members with celiac, I would, without a doubt, go gluten free immediately.  Regardless of what the test said and especially since you haven't had a biopsy yet.  My experience with my DS is once we pulled all his allergens out (and there were A LOT), the bedwetting AND daytime accidents stopped.   He just recently started having daytime accidents again and I KNOW he's getting something he's allergic to but can't figure it out.  Time to test again.  :-\ 

While we use chiropractic and I agree with others about it, on this issue, I think it's food allergies that are causing the issue and you likely won't see that fixed until you find out what he's allergic to and pull it. 

hth

patti
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: the herbalist November 18, 2009, 10:50:26 AM
he grinds his teeth at night too.
Did you ever think of parasites. Teeth grinding is a common symptom.
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: the herbalist November 18, 2009, 11:14:39 AM
The person who wrote Toilet Training in Less Than a Day  also wrote a book for nighttime training. ( Sorry, don't remember the name of it.)   He used it for teens and adults who were mentally retarded and had much success and tried it on children. 
We tried it for our 6 year old boy, but it didn't work for us.  It did work for a friend of mine with her daughter. 
Check out this link
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Parents-Guide-to-Bedwetting-Control/Nathan-H-Azrin/p/9780671827748
Has anyone else used Nathan Azrin's methods and found them successful?
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: the herbalist November 18, 2009, 11:23:39 AM

I also made up the mineral and Licorice glycerites and give them faithfully to our 7 year old every night before bed. We've been doing this for at least a month nightly,  but did it on and off before that. I'm sorry to say, it hasn't been the answer for us, at least not yet.

Try giving the mineral and licorice glycerites in the morning or at least before 3:00 in the afternoon. You don't want to be stimulating the kidneys at nighttime.

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: the herbalist November 18, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
Could emotional problems bring on bedwetting?
I finally realized that the beginning of the bedwetting coincided somewhat (someone else pionted out the connection recently, so now I cant remember exactly 'when' it started) with my baby drowning. my bedwetter was the only witness to the drowning - he was 3 1/2 at the time. there was no blame, guilt, etc. not even in our thoughts. we were especially careful to take time to meet the needs of our two kids during that time.  but could that emotional blow be responsible for the wetting? My kids were 5, 3, and 2 and the 2yob drowned. they were close playmates. If so, what have I done wrong, and how can I correct the problem? we are water drinkers, vitamin-takers, pretty healthy food....I dont let him drink during the evening, dont shame him, etc. night. Any ideas? btw - he is 5 1/2 now.

I'd be careful of using an alarm to correct a body misfunction caused by emotional trauma. Wouldn't it be better to try and heal this trauma? Exta love and care from Dad and Mom and perhaps a few caring questions that might help him talk about how he feels. How about some massage? Loving touch?
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: amandas5boys November 18, 2009, 01:02:04 PM

I also made up the mineral and Licorice glycerites and give them faithfully to our 7 year old every night before bed. We've been doing this for at least a month nightly,  but did it on and off before that. I'm sorry to say, it hasn't been the answer for us, at least not yet.

Try giving the mineral and licorice glycerites in the morning or at least before 3:00 in the afternoon. You don't want to be stimulating the kidneys at nighttime.



I thought that you wouldn't want to give it at night either for the same reasons, but in the "ABC herbal" book He says to give it right before bed.

We have been taking something called vital greens every morning and I have been adding lots of herbs to our cooking. Herbs that are called for in the  herbal tincture and my little ones are staying drier than they were. One that usually wets at nap time is staying dry most nights now. He was wetting several times a night.

 I also have started buying pull ups. Something I really didn't want to do. but I think it has helped to take the stress off of them. And in turn they are doing so much better at not wetting. I was afraid to use them as thinking that it would make them be lazy and go on their selves. but it has been the contrary. The one that was wetting even at nap time is getting up through the night to go to the toilet. And he is only three. So I think it is a combination of things??? Who knows! once we think we have it worked out It may not work for someone else.


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: Helen January 01, 2010, 07:42:40 PM
This may not be helpful at all and is a very diffrent slant from the posts before this, but when my four almost 5 year old son just would not stop wetting the bed almost every single night, I finally got out a calender, put a pen to it, and explained to him that if once he goes 30 days without wetting himself we would take him on a special trip to walmart and buy him one thing of WHATEVER he wants! He was thrilled, and we marked the days off one by one, I could not beleive it when about 32 days later he had it... We did what we promised and he has never wet since!!!  ;D that was some money WELL spent!  and now of all things my 19 mo daughter is fully potty trained and dry most nights.. what gives?? is there a diffrence in boys and girls??
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: mommyjen January 01, 2010, 09:15:10 PM
This may not be helpful at all and is a very diffrent slant from the posts before this, but when my four almost 5 year old son just would not stop wetting the bed almost every single night, I finally got out a calender, put a pen to it, and explained to him that if once he goes 30 days without wetting himself we would take him on a special trip to walmart and buy him one thing of WHATEVER he wants! He was thrilled, and we marked the days off one by one, I could not beleive it when about 32 days later he had it... We did what we promised and he has never wet since!!!  ;D that was some money WELL spent!  and now of all things my 19 mo daughter is fully potty trained and dry most nights.. what gives?? is there a diffrence in boys and girls??

I'm so gonna try this with my 5yo! The cost of nighttime diapers could pay for the toy in the first month.  ;D
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: mykidsmom January 02, 2010, 06:04:59 AM
This may not be helpful at all and is a very diffrent slant from the posts before this, but when my four almost 5 year old son just would not stop wetting the bed almost every single night, I finally got out a calender, put a pen to it, and explained to him that if once he goes 30 days without wetting himself we would take him on a special trip to walmart and buy him one thing of WHATEVER he wants! He was thrilled, and we marked the days off one by one, I could not beleive it when about 32 days later he had it... We did what we promised and he has never wet since!!!  ;D that was some money WELL spent!  and now of all things my 19 mo daughter is fully potty trained and dry most nights.. what gives?? is there a diffrence in boys and girls??

I'm so gonna try this with my 5yo! The cost of nighttime diapers could pay for the toy in the first month.  ;D

MJ, if you've got food allergies they could very well be keeping your 5 yr old from night time training.  Our DS is so allergic to dairy that it makes him incontinent.  But when we were potty training and nighttime training his allergy wasn't as bad as it was when he was 7 so he would once in awhile stay dry because he hadn't had as much dairy that day while we thought he had just worked "harder" at it.  Be cautious with this one since you have an obvious dairy allergy, he likely does to.  Remember, allergies run downhill and get worse with each generation (when they haven't been dealt with).  Try pulling dairy from him for 30-60 days and see if he doesn't train after that.  Does he have daytime accidents?  Dribbles?  Full out wet pants during the day?  If he does at this age, it's likely the dairy, in your case, causing the wetting issue. 

patti
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: kittyninja January 02, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
Without reading this all the way through I just wanted to pipe in. My 7 year old  stopped soaking his bed everynight. I would say almost a year ago. What finally got him to stop? I stopped putting him in pull ups and didn't give him a bottom sheet. He slept on his plastic sheet protecting the mattress. He knew when he peed. It didn't soak into the sheet- it was a puddle. I tried cuttin allergens out. Not letting him drink after a certain time and waking him up in the middle of the night (which isn't fun for either of us...trying to get a 60lb dead asleep kid off the top bunk). Anyways- I just think he got use to peeing in his pullup. A week or so of that and he was having dry nights. It also helped that he was having friends spend the night and or going on camping trips and didn't want to be in a pullup or even wet his bed with them around so he became more aware. Anyways- that's what happened in this house.
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: biecmom January 02, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
Interesting!  We have tried many different things from this thread with no luck. I have a son older than 7 who wets each night.  Thanks for the idea about having him sleep on the plastic cover without sheets. However, I believe I will wait 'til it's warmer (it's 11 degrees outside right now with lots of snow) and although it is warmer in the house, he loves to snuggle down with 2 or 3 blankets on top of him.  No, we don't use pull-ups, unless he is spending the night out with us at a relative's home.  It makes for a lot of laundry, but pull-ups were giving him rashes.  Watch out for that!
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: mykidsmom January 03, 2010, 04:18:09 AM
Without reading this all the way through I just wanted to pipe in. My 7 year old  stopped soaking his bed everynight. I would say almost a year ago. What finally got him to stop? I stopped putting him in pull ups and didn't give him a bottom sheet. He slept on his plastic sheet protecting the mattress. He knew when he peed. It didn't soak into the sheet- it was a puddle. I tried cuttin allergens out. Not letting him drink after a certain time and waking him up in the middle of the night (which isn't fun for either of us...trying to get a 60lb dead asleep kid off the top bunk). Anyways- I just think he got use to peeing in his pullup. A week or so of that and he was having dry nights. It also helped that he was having friends spend the night and or going on camping trips and didn't want to be in a pullup or even wet his bed with them around so he became more aware. Anyways- that's what happened in this house.

Like this idea.  We put ours in underwear and used a nighttime alarm because he was such a hard sleeper.
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: hollyolly123 January 04, 2010, 02:31:40 PM
Ultimate Defence from beeyoutiful has nearly cured my four year old's bed wetting.  Now it happens just once every week or two, and we can usually anticipate it because she'll complain her tummy hurts.  Often because I forgot to give it.  They can't swallow pills, so I give it to them in a very small amound of all fruit blueberry jelly from smuckers, just before their afternoon snack.  I put a small spoonful in a bowl and mix one pill into it, and split it between all three kids. 

My five year old is another story.  She still wets almoast every night, unless I get her up around 10 or 10:30 pm.  I try.  We'll try the bone ami (I just got some for me- very cool), then it's the plastic sheet with no sheet over it, and if I can win my dh over VERY UNLIKELY, we might try the "Ill buy you whatever you want at walmart" thing!  I notice when we go somewhere for the night she usually doesn't wet at all- I can't even get her to pee when I wake her up at ten.  This last time it may have been the kombucha she had at our friend's house, we haven't had kombucha at home in ages.

Baby #4 is due in a month and I want dry beds!!  But I priase God that at least one girl is dry now- way less work!
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: Helen January 07, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
Without reading this all the way through I just wanted to pipe in. My 7 year old  stopped soaking his bed everynight. I would say almost a year ago. What finally got him to stop? I stopped putting him in pull ups and didn't give him a bottom sheet. He slept on his plastic sheet protecting the mattress. He knew when he peed. It didn't soak into the sheet- it was a puddle. I tried cuttin allergens out. Not letting him drink after a certain time and waking him up in the middle of the night (which isn't fun for either of us...trying to get a 60lb dead asleep kid off the top bunk). Anyways- I just think he got use to peeing in his pullup. A week or so of that and he was having dry nights. It also helped that he was having friends spend the night and or going on camping trips and didn't want to be in a pullup or even wet his bed with them around so he became more aware. Anyways- that's what happened in this house.

  You know that reminds me... My sisterinlaw told me her daughter had a new pack of panties, she came to her and told her she does NOT want her new panties to turn grey and yucky and she just basically stopped right then and there!!  way to go!!!
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: kittyninja January 07, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
HAHA isn't it funny? It's like they finally just make up there minds. Now my daughter on the otherhand (5yrs) seems to always leak a little all day long. Not flat out pee just little squirts here and there.
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: mykidsmom January 07, 2010, 01:23:31 PM
Now my daughter on the otherhand (5yrs) seems to always leak a little all day long. Not flat out pee just little squirts here and there.

dairy allergy................. ;)
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: herbalmom January 07, 2010, 03:55:12 PM
Now my daughter on the otherhand (5yrs) seems to always leak a little all day long. Not flat out pee just little squirts here and there.

dairy allergy................. ;)

I second this- probably gluten as well. Bet it helps her low blood sugar as well.  ;) ;) 
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: kittyninja January 07, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
HERBALMOM!! I haven't forgotten you honestly. :-*
AND I bet you're right! BOTH OF YOU!
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: YoopreMama January 07, 2010, 05:30:12 PM
Check potatoes, too.   :o
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: boysmama January 08, 2010, 05:33:08 AM
All of the above and sugar!
Worse yet...high fructose corn syrup or additives and preservatives. We can count on at least 5 days of uncontrollable dribbling and a soaked bed at ever nap/night even with a thick "diaper" if son #2 gets anything "processed". I have it eliminated down to those 3 factors. I can shorten the side effects with a  round of activated charcoal and bentonite clay along with a laxative/antispasmodic herbal mix to keep the first two from causing constipation.
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: snowmama8 January 08, 2010, 07:12:22 PM
How many mg of calcium/magnesium supplement should I give to an average 11 yr. old and also for a teen to help with bedwetting?
: Re: Bed Wetting: Causes & Cures
: havasmama_05 March 21, 2010, 03:38:59 PM
i haven't been on here for a while, but just wanted to give an update on my kiddos. they were both bedwetters (6 ds & 4 dd). i tried all the liquids, foods, mag/cal, even the ABC herbal, and nothing worked. i went to a homeopath and they no longer wet the bed. i learned how to used homeopathy and i'm not a tried and true fan. herbs are my first arsenal. but this worked. i have a homeopathic kit. belladonna worked for both of them and is working for their cousin. another cousin is using ferrum phos and that's helping him where belladonna didn't. hth!!!
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: amandas5boys September 22, 2010, 08:25:52 PM
I wanted to update as well. I have been making the Herbal minerals out of the ABC herbal and bed wetting has mostly stopped. Especially for the one that wets at nap time. I ran out he started wetting at nap time again. I made more and he is dry again. So I think it is helping with him. 

The older one that started wetting the bed at an older age has spouts when he has accidents and then is fine at other times.