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Remedies & Therapies => Medicinal Herbs & Oils => Plant Identification => : Whiterock August 28, 2008, 09:01:49 AM

: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock August 28, 2008, 09:01:49 AM
When I was growing up we had a weed growing wild in our area, and in our yard, that my mom called "Rabbit Tobacco". She said you could smoke it and sometimes I would gather some of the dryer leaves from the plant and take it to her. She would save it up and every once in a blue moon she would make a small cigarette with it using a piece of paper from a brown paper bag and smoke it.

Mom was not a smoker but she did enjoy the smell of the rabbit tobacco (I did too), and I think that (and the fact that I had gathered it for her) was the only reason she smoked it. She never talked about it being medicinal so I don't think she did it for health benefits.

But I just started looking into it because I think I may have some growing in my yard.

In the image below, the one labelled A. Sumpnoppa Gnaphalium Uliginosum looks most like what I remember growing up. But the Gnaphalium Uliginosum grows in swampy areas and is smaller than I remember so I'm pretty sure it's not the same.

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/RabbitTobacco.jpg)

Here are some photos of the plant growing in my yard here in GA. I'm trying to decide if it is a form of Rabbit Tobacco (it looks very much like the kind in my memory only not quite right, but the fault could be with my memory) and if it it can be used the same as the one from my childhood.

A group of little ones.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1029.jpg)

A couple bigger ones.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1206.jpg)

They are joined at the bottom; so this is one plant.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1211.jpg)

A couple close ups of the buds.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1210.jpg)

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1209.jpg)

I've found that Rabbit Tobacco has no nicotine and is used to help with asthma and respiratory problems. Most of the references I've read say that the leaves can be chewed, made into a tea, and the flowers can be put into a pillow or sachet, but none say anything about smoking it. But my mom said you smoke it and my dad said that he and his friends used smoke it when they were kids.

And in case y'all were wondering, they both said that it doesn't make you high! LOL!

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [Rabbit Tobacco] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock August 28, 2008, 09:03:33 AM
How do I make the pictures clickable so you can see them enlarged?

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [Rabbit Tobacco] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: beppyjo August 28, 2008, 09:26:56 AM
I realize this is not at all helpful to you WR but, according to the wisdom gleaned from our much loved Beatrix Potter books, rabbit tobacco is lavender.  ;D ;)
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: ~esposita~ August 28, 2008, 09:30:50 AM
I realize this is not at all helpful to you WR but, according to the wisdom gleaned from our much loved Beatrix Potter books, rabbit tobacco is lavender.  ;D ;)

That is exactly what I was thinking!!!
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: healthybratt September 09, 2008, 03:40:32 AM
http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H64.htm (http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H64.htm)
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: Whiterock September 16, 2008, 05:56:48 AM
I updated my OP with better pictures. And unless anyone sees any reason why I shouldn't, I'm going to go ahead and ID this as a form of Rabbittobacco.

Here are links to info and pics of two kinds, both commonly called Rabbittobacco:
Gamochaeta (http://books.google.com/books?id=N4uFSMmqTRQC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=Forest+Plants+of+the+Southeast+and+Their+Wildlife+Uses+rabbittobacco&source=web&ots=QxfuFgEdjM&sig=MVAJ8FHTvonsgyEkUZQKpXx7qMk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA88,M1) (everlasting)

Gnaphalium (http://books.google.com/books?id=N4uFSMmqTRQC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=Forest+Plants+of+the+Southeast+and+Their+Wildlife+Uses+rabbittobacco&source=web&ots=QxfuFgEdjM&sig=MVAJ8FHTvonsgyEkUZQKpXx7qMk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA92,M1) (cudweed)

I also found out that this is Rabbittobacco, too. I never would have connected the two, because I've never seen a rosette at the bottom of one of the stalks. But their leaves do have the same matted wool look to them as the leaves on the stalks. Apparently I have both kinds (everlasting and cudweed) growing in my yard. Both are a silvery white on the underside but one has leaves that are greener on top don't look as woolly as the one in the pictures below.
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1032-1.jpg)
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1226.jpg)
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSCN1217.jpg)

It's the strangest thing to pull apart one of the leaves, because it's like pulling apart a wet cotton ball. The entire inside is made up of densely packed fibers.

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSC02684.jpg)
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/Whiterocks_pics/DSC02685.jpg)

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [Rabbit Tobacco] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: healthybratt September 16, 2008, 08:17:20 AM
http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H64.htm (http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H64.htm)
if the above link is correct, then I don't think you have the same thing.  check this site for comparison.

http://nearctica.com/flowers/composit/m_zgen/Pobtusi.htm
: Re: Rabbittobacco [Rabbit Tobacco] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock September 16, 2008, 08:56:19 AM
I think this is a form of Rabbittobacco. There seems to be a few different kinds. Check out the two links I posted in my previous post. Both links take you to pages in a book called "Forest Plants of the Southeast and Their Wildlife Uses" on Google Books.

At the first link is a page with Everlasting at the top middle and it mentions other varieties at the bottom. But if you scroll to the next page you find a picture of a Rabbittobacco that looks a whole lot like what's in my yard, and the rosette looks like the greener ones I was talking about in my last post.

At the second link is a page with Cudweed at the top middle (with more varieties at the bottom) and when you scroll to the next page, there are pictures that look a whole lot like what you posted, but the rosette on that page looks like the one I posted pics of in my last post.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [Rabbit Tobacco] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: lovingmomof2 April 29, 2009, 06:12:57 AM
I am trying to figure out what is growing in my yard and if it is useful or not.  I tried to google and yahoo searches, but didn't really come up with much.

These pictures are of the same plant just different angles.  Does anyone know what it might be?
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: YoopreMama April 29, 2009, 07:51:11 AM
Can you take closer pix, esp. of the leaf arrangement?  What section of the US are you in?
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: lovingmomof2 April 29, 2009, 09:17:52 AM
I am in the south.  I will try and get some better pics when the kids are down for their nap.
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: Gigi April 29, 2009, 09:21:54 AM
She's gotta be in the south - haven't you noticed those hideous pin oak leaves all over the ground around her plants???

Maybe some closer pics will help, lovingmom.  I can't quite make out where the plant begins and the grass ends, or whatever.

And if Yooper can't figure it out, than it must be a fuzzy picture, cuz she knows everything. . . .



 ;D



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: lovingmomof2 April 29, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
Here is a better pic.  It is kind of hard to get one that the grass isn't overlapping.  The leaves are the base of the plant and the tall thing comes up out of the center, has blooms that turn into tiny fuzzies similar to dandelions.
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: lovingmomof2 April 29, 2009, 10:09:55 AM
I tried to get a closer pick of the top of the stock.
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: lovingmomof2 April 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
I found this one in a clearer part of the yard.
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: lovingmomof2 April 29, 2009, 10:14:26 AM
I believe this is the same plant, but it just doesn't have the shoot coming out of the middle yet.

Oh, and I agree about the hideous pine straw and oak leaves all over the ground.  When we first moved in we raked over 12 HUGE yard bags full.  I finally gave up on raking when I realized that ever time an ant sneezes a hundred more pine needles fall.   :D :(
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: YoopreMama April 29, 2009, 12:59:41 PM
Thanks for teaching me more about the South!  :D
She's gotta be in the south - haven't you noticed those hideous pin oak leaves all over the ground around her plants???

Maybe some closer pics will help, lovingmom.  I can't quite make out where the plant begins and the grass ends, or whatever.

And if Yooper can't figure it out, than it must be a fuzzy picture, cuz she knows everything. . . .

 ;D
ROTLF, Gigi!  :-*

MUCH better pix, thanks!  And I don't think I've ever seen this plant.  I can try using Newcomb's tonight w/ it...
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: Whiterock April 29, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
I recognized this one so I merged the topics. =D

WR
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: YoopreMama April 30, 2009, 01:44:16 AM
YAY!!  :-*

Welcome back to the game, WR!   ;D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock April 30, 2009, 08:52:27 AM
"Cudweed has many helpful properties for relieving the symptoms of hayfever. It reduces catarrh and has anti inflammatory and astringent properties, both of which help to ease the irritating symptoms.

Cudweed can be prepared as tea and drank daily. It is also a recommended ingredient for a steam inhalation for asthma sufferers."



: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Mrs.Visser May 01, 2009, 04:20:55 AM
I've heard of Lobelia being referred to as Rabbit Tobacco. Are lobelia and cudweed the same thing?
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: YoopreMama May 01, 2009, 04:32:17 AM
I've heard lobelia called Indian tobacco (and pukeweed and vomitwort)  :D
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: healthyinOhio May 01, 2009, 06:15:14 AM
I've heard it called Indian tobacco (and pukeweed and vomitwort)  :D

Gee, hand me a shovel so I can transplant some right away. YUCK!  :P :D
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: Whiterock May 01, 2009, 06:37:42 AM
I've heard it called Indian tobacco (and pukeweed and vomitwort)  :D

Gee, hand me a shovel so I can transplant some right away. YUCK!  :P :D

The "it" Yooper was talking about was Lobelia, not Rabbittobacco.
I'm beginning to think that I need to transplant more of the Cudweed/Everlasting/Rabittobaco/what ever it's called (the names all seem to be used almost interchangeably for all the varieties), to a safe place in my yard. I'm coming across interesting stuff on these plants. Apparently, they used to be a highly regarded herbs.

SweetPea's cough is coming back and I'm thinking about making some tea or burning it like incense and seeing if it will help.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock May 01, 2009, 03:22:30 PM
Cud Weed. This is a remedy valued by some physicians in cases of sciatica associated with numbness (alternating with pain) of the parts involved.


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Cudweed
aka: Cotton Weed; Everlasting

Description: 
The common Cudweed riseth up but with one Stalk somtime, and somtimes with two or three, thick set on all sides with small long, and narrow whitish or wooly Leavs from the middle of the Stalk almost up to the top; with every Leaf standeth a smal Flower, of a dun or brownish yellow colour, or not so yellow as others; in which Heads after the Flowers are fallen come smal Seed wrapped up with the down therin and is carried away with the Wind. The Root is small and threddy.

There are other sorts hereof, which are somwhat lesser than the former, not much different, save only that as the Stalk and Leavs are shorter, so the Flowers are paler, and more open.

 Place: 
They grow in dry, barren, sandy, and gravelly Grounds, in most places of this Land.

 Time: 
They Flower about July, some earlier, some later, and their Seed is ripe in August.

 Use: 
The Plants are all stringent, or binding and drying, and therfore profitable for Defluxions of Rhewm from the Head, and to stay Fluxes, of Blood whersoever. The Decoction being made into red Wine and drunk, or the Pouder taken therin; it also helpeth the Bloody Flux, and easeth the torments that come therby, stayeth the immoderate Courses of Women, and is also good for inward or outward Wounds, Hurts, and Bruises, and helpeth Children both of Burstings and the Worms; and the Disease called Tenasmus which is an often provocation to the Stool, and doing nothing, being either drunk or injected: The green Leavs bruised and laid to any green Wound staieth the bleeding, and healeth it up quickly: The Decoction or Juyce therof doth the same, and helpeth all old and filthy Ulcers quickly: The juyce of the Herb taken in Wine and Milk is (as Pliny saith) a Soverign remedy against the Mumps and Quinsie; and further saith, That whosoever shal so take it, shal never be troubled with that Disease again.


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Cudweed, White Balsam, Life Everlasting, Indian Posey...

This plant combines relaxing and stimulating properties with a moderate portion of demulcent quality. In cold preparations, its action is mainly expended upon mucous membranes; and as it soothes and strengthens these tissues, it has been pronounced astringent, though it is faintly tonic and not drying. It has been used in sore-mouth, sub-acute coughs, feebleness of the lungs, leucorrhea, catarrh of the bladder, and the latter stages of dysentery. It is really an excellent article in such cases; and though it is too mild to be of use in degenerate conditions, it is useful for its gentle influence. In warm infusion, it promotes mild diaphoresis, and is a popular remedy in recent colds and light fever; and a strong preparation is said to relieve mumps, quinsy, the tenesmus of dysentery, and excessive menstruation. In some respects it acts on the assimilative organs much as avens root does–toning them and abating a tendency to curdy diarrhea. From being at one time over-rated, it has fallen into undeserved neglect. An ounce may be digested in a pint and a half of water till a pint remains, and two fluid ounces of this used once every two hours or oftener. It is sometimes combined with other agents in pulmonary sirups.


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Cudweed-Old Balsam

A remedy of unquestioned benefit in sciatica, when pain is associated with NUMBNESS of the part affected. Rheumatism and morning diarrhoea. Polyuria.
 
Face
Intermittent pains of superior maxillary of both sides.

Abdomen
Borborygmus. Colic; pain in various parts of the abdomen. Irritated prostate. First stage of cholera infantum; vomiting and purging.

Female
Weight and fullness in pelvis. DYSMENORRHEA, with scanty and painful menses.

Back
Chronic backache in lumbar region; better resting on back. Lumbago with numbness in lower part of back and weight in pelvis.

Extremities
Cramps in calves of legs and feet when in bed. Rheumatic pain in ankle joints and legs. INTENSE PAIN ALONG THE SCIATIC NERVE; NUMBNESS ALTERNATES WITH PAIN. Frequent pains in calves and feet. Gouty pains in big toes. Better, drawing limbs up, flexing thigh on abdomen. Gouty concretions. (AMMON. BENZ.) Anterior crural neuralgia. (STAPH.) Pain in joints as if they lacked oil. Chronic muscular rheumatism of back and neck.


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There's at least one more I'd like to post, but I can't copy and paste it so I'll need time to type it up.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: bestist May 04, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
What you are looking at in the photos is a type of cudweed known as kitten toes. It is an antennaria not true rabbit tobbaco which is gnaphalium and pseudo-gnaphalium. It has somewhat similar uses but is not exactly the same and is nowhere near as effective for viral infections and sinus trouble.

Darryl Patton
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com
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: hi_itsgwen May 04, 2009, 09:05:32 AM
What you are looking at in the photos is a type of cudweed known as kitten toes. It is an antennaria not true rabbit tobbaco which is gnaphalium and pseudo-gnaphalium. It has somewhat similar uses but is not exactly the same and is nowhere near as effective for viral infections and sinus trouble.

Darryl Patton
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com

Thanks Darryl,  Which photo is of the kitten toes?  I'd like to positively ID real rabbit tobacco.
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: daisey May 04, 2009, 12:42:20 PM
The pictures at the first part of this thread look like what I have always called Lamb's Ear.   Could it be that it is Tabbittobacco and not Lamb's Ear at all?
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: hi_itsgwen May 04, 2009, 04:22:28 PM
I have grown lambs ear.  It's different than the rabbit tobacco, even though they are both fuzzy.  The lambs ear usually grows with the leaves standing up straighter, and has larger, fuzzier leaves.  Rabbit Tobacco has smaller leaves and grows in separate rosettes. 
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: hi_itsgwen May 04, 2009, 05:09:11 PM
OK...I think I've figured this out.  But first: here is a very interesting article on the history of rabbit tobacco. :)

http://www.123helpme.com/preview.asp?id=82897


This is rabbit tobacco (there are many forms of it)  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluebird218/2856692653/
http://www.vaiden.net/rabbit_tobacco2.jpg
I think it's a lot taller than the little yard plant that we're all finding.  It's called everlasting because it stays upright from the summer all through the winter.
http://www.usi.edu/science/biology/TwinSwamps/Gnaphalium_obtusifolium.htm  The flowers actually open.  I have seen this many times, and now I will know what to call it and how to use it! :)

And I think this is what we're seeing in our yards:
http://www.easttennesseewildflowers.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Spring-Flowers-Roadsides_Pink&id=Cudweed1
It's a relative of rabbit tobacco called Gnaphalium purpureum, or purple everlasting: http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=GAPU3
The Houma Indians of Louisiana used it as a cold remedy: http://herb.umd.umich.edu/herb/search.pl?searchstring=Gamochaeta+purpurea

here is a great write up on the traditional uses of both of these herbs:
http://books.google.com/books?id=0JaqB07uTx4C&pg=PA365&lpg=PA365&dq=Gnaphalium+purpureum+remedy&source=bl&ots=YlciWGTwyp&sig=oPV0NgH5mTeODW8QI2eMIPohQzg&hl=en&ei=yar_SfLSAoGSyQXo8_mQCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA365,M1
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock May 04, 2009, 05:47:30 PM
Gwen, you beat me to it! LOL

I was about to post that it was definitely not Pussytoes [kittens toes]. I looked up all kinds of photos of pussytoes and none of them looked like this plant. But there were a few places that compared pussytoes to this form of Rabbittobacco/cudweed, noting that they were similar but not the same plant.

One of links you posted listed the other names of this plant...

Gnaphalium purpureum (purple everlasting or purple cudweed):

catfoot
chafe weed
everlasting
purple cudweed
rabbit tobacco
spoonleaf purple everlasting

What I've been trying to say (and said in one my earliest posts in this thread) there are a lot of varieties that apparently fall in the category of "rabbittobacco". I'm a bit confused about what the difference is between cudweed and everlasting but I keep seeing different varieties of both, also be referred to as rabbittobacco.

I'm continuing to take pictures of the variety I have in my yard (pretty sure it's purple everlasting/cudweed) as it matures this year. I'll post them when/if I find the USB cord for the camera.

It'd be great to have pictures of other varieties from other WTM'ers.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: bestist May 05, 2009, 05:18:15 AM
The confusion everyone is having is with "common names". Lots of plants have been called "Cudweed" such as Lobelia and Rabbit Tobacco. Lobelia because it actually takes away the craving for nicotine and can be chewed in its place and Rabbit Tobacco because it was available when kids couldn't easily get access to regular Tobacco and needed a smoke or "cud".

As I stated before, true "Rabbit Tobacco" is either Gnaphalium spp. or Pseudognaphlium spp. they are almost indistinguishable and work the same as a smoke or as a medicinal.

The Kitten's Toes (Pussy Toes) is an Antennaria spp. and is a substitute for the regular Rabbit tobacco. It is actually more of a women's medicine.

The photo shown was a plant also known as Kitten's or Pussy Toes. I called it an Antennaria but botanists now place this variety in the Gamochaeta family for some reason. It too, can be used as a poor substitute for Rabbit Tobacco.

The way to tell the "Rabbit Tobaccos" apart is to simply look at them. The one to use grows up to three feet tall although it is usually a bit smaller. It grows in thick patches often on banks and hillsides. The Antennaria spp. has small button like blossoms on the top with tiny filaments coming out of them. The leaves are also very light and a grayish blue in color. The Gamochaeta spp... which is the one shown in the photo, is a darker green and the flowers extend along the upper third (or so) of the stem and not at all like the Antennaria. The initial photos were of Gamochaeta spp.

True Rabbit Tobacco is a wonderful herb for lung congestion and sinus trouble. As a tea, it opens the lungs and acts as an expectorant. Boiled and the steam inhaled, it gives temporary relieve to congested sinuses. In the fall, after the leaves have taken on a silvery sheen to them, the terpene content is at its peak and it becomes an amazing anti-viral.

If someone will tell me how to attach a photo, I'll send in a good close up or two of what the proper Rabbit Tobacco looks like.

Darryl Patton
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: hi_itsgwen May 05, 2009, 05:54:01 AM
Thank you Darryl!

So does Gamochaeta=Gnaphalium  ???
I see that they are using them as synonyms here:
http://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-calrecnum=3947
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock May 05, 2009, 07:49:03 AM
The confusion everyone is having is with "common names". Lots of plants have been called "Cudweed" such as Lobelia and Rabbit Tobacco. Lobelia because it actually takes away the craving for nicotine and can be chewed in its place and Rabbit Tobacco because it was available when kids couldn't easily get access to regular Tobacco and needed a smoke or "cud".

As I stated before, true "Rabbit Tobacco" is either Gnaphalium spp. or Pseudognaphlium spp. they are almost indistinguishable and work the same as a smoke or as a medicinal.

Thanks, that helps.



The Kitten's Toes (Pussy Toes) is an Antennaria spp. and is a substitute for the regular Rabbit tobacco. It is actually more of a women's medicine.


Well, we are a bunch of women here (mostly). LOL! We're usually just trying to find out if there's anything in our area that is ours for the pickin', that we can use to keep our family healthy. =D

The photo shown was a plant also known as Kitten's or Pussy Toes. I called it an Antennaria but botanists now place this variety in the Gamochaeta family for some reason. It too, can be used as a poor substitute for Rabbit Tobacco.


Ok, now you are going to have to specify which photo. The pix I posted of the plant growing in my yard, looks different than Pussy Toes but look *very* much like Purple Cudweed. Though, I did post pix of two different clumps of leaves without a stalk. I thought they are two different varieties of Rabbittobacco before they grew any stalks but I can't find the "other" plant now that it should have a stalk --the "Purple Cudweed" is all I have found. There is a much shorter version of same thing but that may be stunted from growing in an area that gets mowed.

The way to tell the "Rabbit Tobaccos" apart is to simply look at them. The one to use grows up to three feet tall although it is usually a bit smaller. It grows in thick patches often on banks and hillsides.

Thanks! And thanks for the photo you attached!

The Antennaria spp. has small button like blossoms on the top with tiny filaments coming out of them. The leaves are also very light and a grayish blue in color. The Gamochaeta spp... which is the one shown in the photo, is a darker green and the flowers extend along the upper third (or so) of the stem and not at all like the Antennaria. The initial photos were of Gamochaeta spp.

I'm gonna have to figure this out after I understand which photos match the plants you are talking about here (my attention span is a hindrance to multiple choice puzzles --not a wisecrack, simply true... sadly).

True Rabbit Tobacco is a wonderful herb for lung congestion and sinus trouble. As a tea, it opens the lungs and acts as an expectorant. Boiled and the steam inhaled, it gives temporary relieve to congested sinuses. In the fall, after the leaves have taken on a silvery sheen to them, the terpene content is at its peak and it becomes an amazing anti-viral.


Thanks again! This is the kind of info I LOVE to have.... keep teaching us please.

If someone will tell me how to attach a photo, I'll send in a good close up or two of what the proper Rabbit Tobacco looks like.

Darryl Patton
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com

Looks like you figured it out. Welcome to WTM!
WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: bestist May 05, 2009, 08:32:08 AM
If I remember correctly, the first photo or two was of the purple cudweed. If you look at it, the flowers encircle the stalk. Kitten's Toes blossoms are at the very end of the stalk and are white with what looks like little pores in them. I'll post a photo or two this evening when I get home which will immediately show you the difference.

BTW - The plants themselves are only one to maybe three inches tall and the true Rabbit Tobacco can be up to about 36 inches tall and it is not even up yet.

Darryl Patton
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock May 05, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
Is purple cudweed, truly cudweed, or everlasting, or what? Is it related to true rabbittobacco? What can we use it for --Well, I guess I could look that one up if you are tired of answering questions. =D

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: bestist May 05, 2009, 11:00:19 AM
Is purple cudweed, truly cudweed, or everlasting, or what? Is it related to true rabbittobacco? What can we use it for --Well, I guess I could look that one up if you are tired of answering questions. =D

WR

It is a "cudweed" but is a poor substitute for Rabbit Tobacco (The large one) and not the one I would go to first if needing Rabbit Tobacco. It would be better than nothing. It formerly was placed as a gnaphalium but they have more recently changed it to the new family. Stick with the larger Rabbit Tobacco.

Darryl Patton
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock September 25, 2009, 07:01:37 AM
RABBIT TOBACCO IS *THE* HERB FOR COLDS!!!!!

I have have been sick this week, with nasal congestion, fever, headache, sore throat, and cough. I had been treating it with Cold Care tea, elderberry, and other natural remedies. But last night I got desperate and decided to try Rabbit Tobacco (the large one; Gnaphalium) even though I have never used it before and wasn't sure how helpful it would be.

Thanks to Darryl, telling us when to look for it, I had kept an eye out and when I found some dug up a plant (there were many), so I had some in a pot in the front yard.

I ran out in my jammies and took some of the dried leaves from the bottom of the stalk. I made a cigarette using brown paper, and smoked it, but not inhaling very deeply for fear of triggering a coughing fit. My throat felt SO much better. But even with the smoke hanging around the house, the affects didn't last long enough.

So I gathered more and put it in a pot with water and heated it to the point where wisps of steam were floating up, but the water was not simmering. I left that on the stove for the rest of evening, 'til bed time --even drank some with honey (not bad at all). It helped some.

NOW THIS IS WHERE IT GETS GOOD...
 
When bedtime came, I got the idea to use the steam humidifier. I took the tea in the pot and added it to the water in the Steam Humidifier. Then I put the wet herb from the pot in the spot where you put the inhalant. Once the steam filled my bedroom, I was cough and congestion free the rest of the night! No stuffiness at all! Thank God for the gift of herbs!

I've kept the steam going all day today and even though I'm not in the same room, I have only a small tickle in my throat, and the occasional cough, but no nasal congestion.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: herb fever September 25, 2009, 09:21:15 AM
RABBIT TOBACCO IS *THE* HERB FOR COLDS!!!!!

I have have been sick this week, with nasal congestion, fever, headache, sore throat, and cough. I had been treating it with Cold Care tea, elderberry, and other natural remedies. But last night I got desperate and decided to try Rabbit Tobacco (the large one; Gnaphalium) even though I have never used it before and wasn't sure how helpful it would be.

Thanks to Darryl, telling us when to look for it, I had kept an eye out and when I found some dug up a plant (there were many), so I had some in a pot in the front yard.

I ran out in my jammies and took some of the dried leaves from the bottom of the stalk. I made a cigarette using brown paper, and smoked it, but not inhaling very deeply for fear of triggering a coughing fit. My throat felt SO much better. But even with the smoke hanging around the house, the affects didn't last long enough.

So I gathered more and put it in a pot with water and heated it to the point where wisps of steam were floating up, but the water was not simmering. I left that on the stove for the rest of evening, 'til bed time --even drank some with honey (not bad at all). It helped some.

NOW THIS IS WHERE IT GETS GOOD...
 
When bedtime came, I got the idea to use the steam humidifier. I took the tea in the pot and added it to the water in the Steam Humidifier. Then I put the wet herb from the pot in the spot where you put the inhalant. Once the steam filled my bedroom, I was cough and congestion free the rest of the night! No stuffiness at all! Thank God for the gift of herbs!

I've kept the steam going all day today and even though I'm not in the same room, I have only a small tickle in my throat, and the occasional cough, but no nasal congestion.

WR

Great feedback! Thank you for sharing your experience. I bolded my favorite part of the post! :)
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: servantgirl September 25, 2009, 08:28:46 PM
It sounds like rabbit tobacco is pretty much a southern herb.  :(
Since I'm in the north...
Would any of you that have a large amount growing near you be willing to harvest some for me? I would be willing to pay a little for your trouble, plus shipping costs to me. PM me if you'd be willing.
Thanks!!
 ;D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: WellTellMommy September 26, 2009, 12:09:52 AM
ok, so when do you harvest Rabbit Tobacco / Gnaphalium?
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock September 26, 2009, 02:54:19 AM
Here in GA, they're budding now. Most of the pictures you see are of the flower buds, but when they open they are fuzzy. When the fuzz blows away they look like this: http://www.woodherbs.com/herbs/RabbitTobacco070823.jpg

It's not only a southern weed. Here's distribution map: http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PSOBO&photoID=psobo_002_avp.tif

And I think there is a variety that grows in the Western United States, too.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock September 26, 2009, 03:06:56 AM
Like Darryl said, you use the leaves after they dry up. They will turn silvery on one side and brown on the other. Then they are ready to pick. Before that they are not as strong.

Here's a photo for one with all the leaves dried: http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/acmoore/herb/GG/Gnaphalium_obtusifolium2.jpg

Mine only has dried leaves around the bottom right now, so I just picked those.

Here's more info and photos:
http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/Canada/HealthInformation/Encyclopedias/SweetEverlasting.htm
http://www.ncwings.com/flowers/asters-sunflowers/rabbit-tobacco.html
http://www.missouriplants.com/Whitealt/Gnaphalium_obtusifolium_page.html
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: beppyjo October 04, 2009, 05:30:52 PM
So, does anyone out there know if there is a western variety for sure and, if so, what it is?  I have been following this thread with interest and would LOVE to know if there is any native to the west coast...... or, if I can grow it non-native, where I would get seeds..... TIA!!!!
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 04, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
What state are you in Beppyjo?
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: beppyjo October 05, 2009, 10:45:41 AM
What state are you in Beppyjo?


 OR...... right on the coast.  I feel like I have seen something similar before but I can't recall when or where  :-[  ::) :-[ 
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 05, 2009, 02:12:30 PM
Ok, there is one that grows there. Gnaphalium californicum is called Callifornia Everlasting, or Ladies Tobacco. It seems to be weaker than Gnaphalium Obtusifolium, but it was used by Native Americans for colds, stomach problems, and externally it was used to bring down swelling.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: beppyjo October 05, 2009, 02:50:20 PM
Thanks WR! You are amazing  :)  I will start looking into it and if see there is any growing in my neighborhood!  ;D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: hi_itsgwen October 09, 2009, 05:47:58 PM
I have harvested some of the dry Rabbit Tobacco (gnaphalium) leaves, and now have congestion and a headcold.  I tried making a tea and ***blech***.  It tasted like black walnut hulls smell...sort of good but very bitter.  I didn't sweeten it.  I did notice within the first two sips that my sinuses began to clear, but I don't think I drank enough of it to really make a lasting impact.

Any suggestions on how to administer it so that it is palatable (i.e. doesn't make a pregnant woman gag)?
Could I mix it with something else like peppermint? 
I might try peppermint, yarrow and chammomile (children's composition blend) tonight and see if that's any better.

I'm not miserable enough to attempt to smoke it, and also don't own a pipe or have the slightest clue as to what I'd be doing.  ::)
WR, you need to be a bad influence on me and take me behind the church and show me how to smoke weeds.  haha! ;D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 09, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
Is there a reason why you didn't sweeten it? Sweet replaces bitter on your tongue, so add honey, Honey! =D  

I drank some with honey and it was pretty good, actually. I didn't boil the herb when making the tea --I only let it simmer for while. Maybe that's why it wasn't so bitter. So you could try adding your favorite tea bag to it and sweeten as usual, before drinking.

I also smoked some (as an ex-smoker, and having seen my mom do it, I knew how). That was the first thing I tried, but I didn't draw it all the way into my lungs, 'cause I was afraid I'd have a coughing fit.  

To smoke it you don't need a pipe, just make a cigarette using unbleached paper. I used part of a brown paper bag that I had softened by rolling it between my hands. Then I put the Rabbit Tobacco in, rolled the cigarette, wet the edge of the paper to make it stick down to the side, and twisted the end I was going to puff on.

You can also inhale the steam or vapor from the tea. Just let it sit on the stovetop with just enough heat under it to cause wisps of steam, but not enough to cause it to bubble. Then you can leave it without worrying too much about the pot boiling dry. And come back to take a whiff as often as you need too. And you could take it off the heat, lean over it, and put a towel over your head and the pot to get the most from the steam. (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, even if I'm not describing it very well.)

Or you can do what I did, and put a tea of the herb in a vaporizer (heated steam humidifier, not the kind that created a cool mist) with some water and let it run all night in your bedroom, with the door closed.

And finally, you could make a tincture or infusion.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: hi_itsgwen October 10, 2009, 09:04:59 AM
OK...either this is a really puny cold, or Rabbit Tobacco rocks! 

I made and drank a few sips of bitter, straight RT tea the other night, and just a sip or two did clear my sinuses for a while.  But I couldn't hack the bitterness.

So last night, I did a tea/infusion of equal parts RT, yarrow, peppermint and elderflowers (not chamomile like I'd listed above).  It tasted good, even without sweetner!  I drank about 2 oz. and put the rest in the fridge, because I had errands to run.  My throat and sinuses are SO dry!  I was dying for some water.  :D  This stuff works too good!

So if you are trying it for the first time, just start small...no need to chug a quart of tea. ;)

WR...I noticed on the Southern Herbalist page about Rabbit Tobacco, that his mentor, Tommy Bass instructed him to smoke it so that the smoke went up through his sinuses and out his nostrils.  Doesn't sound pleasant to me, but I'll bet it works great! 
http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com/rabbit.html
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 10, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
The through the nose thing is not unpleasant at all (well if you have never smoked it might be). It's just like exhaling through your nose when you are breathing nothing but air --same thing. What makes first-time smokers choke and cough, is sucking the smoke deep into the lungs. It doesn't really hurt in the throat or nose. When I smoked cigarettes as a teen, I would fill my mouth with smoke and then slightly open my lips, so that the smoke poured out in a steady stream, while inhaling it back in through my nose (called French Inhaling --I have no idea why). It was purely for the visual effect but I wonder if that could be what he was saying, or if he was just exhaling through his nose. Either way, it would probably have the same effect on the sinuses.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: orcuttranch October 12, 2009, 07:20:06 AM
Here is the west coast version.

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PSCA13

and here

http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/californiaeverlasting.html
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: YoopreMama October 13, 2009, 06:21:34 AM
For the Northern folk...WR found that my Pearly Everlasting is similar:
http://www.mistymanormercers.com/OzarkHerbal/html/pages/_108.html
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 25, 2009, 09:34:32 AM
Trying to see if I can post my pictures of Rabbit Tobacco from my facebook, without changing my privacy settings.

(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs258.snc1/10532_1125458896631_1231916745_30314556_198382_n.jpg)
WHOLE HERB

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 25, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
I can see it... but can y'all see it?
WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: YoopreMama October 25, 2009, 10:06:47 AM
YES!

And it sure looks like my Pearly Everlasting.   :D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 25, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
I'm not sure if it's working just because you are on my friends list or what, but I'll post the rest anyway.

(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs258.snc1/10532_1125458936632_1231916745_30314557_7759676_n.jpg)
The flowers on this one are open, but you are more likely to find them closed.

(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs278.snc1/10532_1125458776628_1231916745_30314553_4639445_n.jpg)
A blurry photo of the flowers before they opened. This is the way you are likely to find them. (The blue is from another herb I was harvesting that day.)

(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs278.snc1/10532_1125458976633_1231916745_30314558_7789384_n.jpg)
I've been told by my family that the leaves should look like this before you harvest the plant. Yes, they look dried while the plant is still in the ground --I didn't harvest then dry this plant.

(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs258.snc1/10532_1125458616624_1231916745_30314549_6158588_n.jpg)
The flowers will open shortly after you harvest the plant (if not already open), and the seeds are "fluffy" like a dandelion (here some are leaving the flower). So be ready to deal with all those floaty seeds. I put a bag over the flowerheads to catch most of them and keep down the mess.

(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs258.snc1/10532_1125458856630_1231916745_30314555_5673393_n.jpg)

(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs258.snc1/10532_1125458816629_1231916745_30314554_8162652_n.jpg)

(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs258.snc1/10532_1125458576623_1231916745_30314548_5028490_n.jpg)

(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs278.snc1/10532_1125458496621_1231916745_30314547_3323291_n.jpg)
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: YoopreMama October 25, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
Um, do friend lists apply here?   ???   :D

VERY nice pix!   8)
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 25, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Well someone once sent me a link to a photo on facebook and I couldn't see it 'cause of the privacy settings (I wasn't on the friends list) and since the photos in my posts were created by coding the fb link into the post, I didn't know if the same thing would happen. It sounds silly now.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: YoopreMama October 26, 2009, 01:25:17 AM
That "clicked" for me last night... ;)

How you did it works, though, so GREAT!   ;D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: herb fever October 26, 2009, 07:47:02 AM
Very nice pics, White Rock.
: Re: Rabbittobacco: Another Testimonial...
: hi_itsgwen October 28, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
I got over my last cold in just a couple of days using the RT tea blend I made (see my previous post on this thread).  I noticed that it did dry up my sinuses significantly...to where my throat actually felt dry.  Occasionally, my nose would run all of the sudden, but it was always clear drainage, and would do it just a few times a day, like it was clearing out the virus, but not over-reacting.  I could breathe freely the whole time.  By day 3 I felt fine, and never needed another dose of my tea.

Last week, my toddler started to get a runny nose.  I ran the humidifier with some of the Rabbit Tobacco tea (2-4 oz.) dilluted with water.  She seemed well, and our family went on a campout that weekend.  She had occasional nose-wipings, as it was chilly outside, but didn't seem sick.  She woke up Wednesday morning with a green icky nose, and was pointing to both of her ears.  I put some garlic oil in her ears.  I also had her drink a few sips of the RT tea blend, and ran it during both of her naps.  By this afternoon, she had *NO* sinus drainage, and seems perfectly normal.

This stuff is WAY better than Sudafed.  It not only calms down your mucous production, but also weakens the virus in the process.  I can't wait for someone else to get sick so I can experiment on them more with this cool herb!!!  :D ::)

The Southern Herbalist, Darryl, explains the components of the herb, and what it does in this great article: http://www.thesouthernherbalist.com/rabbit.html
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 29, 2009, 12:29:43 PM
A note made up of bits of stuff I've copied from various articles on the net......

There are many accounts of Everlasting being smoked in place of tobacco by Native Americans and settlers alike [Rabbit Tobacco contains no nicotine] and the smoke also held a spiritual or mystic power for many Indians.

The Cheyenne dropped the leaves on hot coals and the Cherokees used it in sweat baths. It was also thought by many tribes that the smoke had a restorative power that could revive the unconscious or paralyzed. The fresh juice has some reputation as an aphrodisiac.

Everlasting is certainly astringent and is commonly thought to be sedative, diuretic and a mild pain reliever. Both the smoke and tea have been use to treat various throat and bronchial conditions from colds to asthma and especially for coughs. It is also used for diarrhea. Sores on the skin and in the mouth are poulticed with it as are bruises and it has been highly recommended for burns.

Botanical Name:
Gnaphalium Obtusifolium [Gnaphalium Polycephalum and Pseudognaphalium Obtusifolium also refer to the same plant]

Common Name:
Rabbit Tobacco / Sweet Everlasting / Cherokee Tobacco / Indian Posey / Old Field Balsam / White Balsam

Parts Used:
Stem, leaves, flowers

Medicinal Action and Uses:
Astringent. Beneficial for ulcerations of the throat and mouth; warm infusions used to produce diaphoresis; also of service in quinsy, pulmonary complaints, leucorrhoea. Can be used internally and as a local application, likewise used as fomentations to bruises, indolent tumours. An infusion given in diseases of the bowels - haemorrhages etc. The fresh juice is reputed anti-venereal and anti-aphrodisiac; the cold infusion vermifugal; the dried flowers are used as a sedative filling for the pillows of consumptives. A tincture is made from whole plant.

Induces sleep, one of the most valuable plants in migraine, sinus trouble, cough, asthma, and stomach problems (to increase appetite).

Tommie Bass made a cough syrup that included rabbit tobacco that was very popular with his customers.

And The Southern Herbalist, Darryl Patton, suggests combining it with Heal All (Prunella Vulgaris) and Lemon Balm (Mellisa) for a powerful anti-viral to combat the myriad flu varieties (bird, swine, etc.).

The whole plant is anaphrodisiac, antiphlogistic (relieves inflammation and fever), astringent, diaphoretic (promotes sweating), expectorant, and vermifuge. It is used internally in the treatment of throat ulcers, chest complaints, intestinal and respiratory catarrh (inflammation and thick mucus) etc and is also applied externally as a poultice to bruises, indolent tumours (tumors that are not painful) etc. A tea made from the leaves and flowers is a mild nerve sedative, diuretic and antispasmodic.

The aromatic dried flowers are used as a filling for pillows, having a sedative effect which is beneficial to consumptives. A homeopathic remedy is made from the plant. This has proved to be of benefit in the treatment of sciatica, lumbago and some forms of arthritis.

The plant is used as an insect repellent, it is placed in bedmats, books etc and in the linen cupboard. The flower heads are used as a stuffing material for mattresses.

Traditional Usage:  
- Abdominal Cramps
- Abscesses (mouth and throat)
- Antibacterial
- Anti-inflammatory
- Antimicrobial
- Antioxidant
- Antispasmodic
- Aphrodisiac
- Asthma
- Bone and Joint Problems
- Breathing Disorders
- Bruises
- Catarrh (Respiratory)
- Cellular Regeneration
- Cold and Flu Symptoms
- Congestion
- Coughs
- Cramps
- Digestive Disorders
- Diuretic
- Dyspepsia
- Fever
- Flu
- Gastrointestinal Inflammation
- Hemorrhage
- Indigestion
- Infections
- Menstrual Cramps
- Menstrual Difficulties
- Moth Repellent
- Mouth Ulcers
- Neuritis
- Nervous Conditions
- Nosebleed
- Parasites
- Pneumonia
- Sedative
- Sore Throat
- Spasms
- Throat Infections
- Tonsillitis
- Tuberculosis
- Yeast Infections

Preparations:
For colds and the flu, the Cherokee made a slave by grinding the herb and adding it to lard. This was rubbed on the chest and back to relieve congestion and induce sweating.

You can make a tea (plain or with other herbs), a decoction, a tincture, or syrup from it.

Tommie Bass’s Cough Syrup
                                     
Equal parts of:
rabbit tobacco
boneset                             
wild cherry bark
sweet gum bark
mullein leaf

His formulation for commerce added yellow root, redshank (red root) and sumach leaf.

It can also be used as a poultice for bruises and swelling.

Adding a few things I've written about Rabbit Tobacco, elsewhere...
Rabbit Tobacco is an expectorant so if you have lung congestion it will make your cough more productive. It also sooths a sore throat so if it is a cough from irritation in the throat, it will just about stop the cough all together.

It is best used as a vapor, IMO. If you have a steam humidifier, please try putting RT tea in it and let the vapor fill the room you are in. I tried smoking some and I drank a little bit of the tea, but vaporizing it was absolutely the method that worked best, IMO. For me, the efect was almost instant, but for SweetPea, who had a different kind of cough, it diminished over two or three days of steady vapor (steam humidifier) treatment. Which was amazing because she usually coughs for months (literally --not an exageration) after she gets a cold or flu.

Interestingly, Native Americans didn't just smoke it for ceremonies, they also steamed it on hot rocks in their sweat lodges. And "The Southern Herbalist" says that it's most powerful form is as a distilled extract. Steam distillation is basically what you are doing when you use the tea in the vaporizer, only instead of capturing and cooling the steam so that it returns to a liquid you can bottle, you are distributing it throughout the room. I think this is why the method worked so well for us.

Oh, I almost forgot. My humidifier has a little rimmed area in front of where the steam comes out. It's for holding stuff that you want to be distributed with the steam. They sell oil/inhalants for that purpose, but I put a great big wad of the wet RT that I had strained out of the tea...

...Yes, I say the tea was "weak" because I mixed it with water in the humidifier. I wish I had a ratio for you, but I wouldn't be real worried about putting a strong tea in it. My only concern about using something *in* the humidifier, was that it would be in direct contact with the heating element so, of course, I didn't want to use anything flammable. But since I read that it has like 0.05% volatile oil, and also read that *flammable* oils are usually not soluble in water, I felt safe doing it the way I did. We haven't had any trouble with our humidifier, from doing it that way, so far.


[Edited to add things I left out the first time.]
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: daisey October 30, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
Does anyone know where a person can buy this herb????????????   I live in Northern Minnesota and have no clue what I am looking for.......besides that it is snowing.   ::)
I would love to have some on hand for the winter.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock October 30, 2009, 09:20:58 AM
Does anyone know where a person can buy this herb????????????   I live in Northern Minnesota and have no clue what I am looking for.......besides that it is snowing.   ::)
I would love to have some on hand for the winter.

I sell it. I haven't posted an ad here yet, because I recommend it so often that I didn't want people to think I had an ulterior motive. I will post about my prices in the Buy/Sell/Trade thread. BUT if you don't want to buy from me, I have found two other places on the net, where you can get it. HERE  (http://www.wildpantry.com/herbs_i_p.htm) and  HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/Gnaphalium-obtusifolium-Cherokee-Tobacco-Sacred-Med_W0QQitemZ140355424992QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20add5d2e0).
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock November 01, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
More....

Native American Tribes and how they used Rabbit Tobacco [Pseudognaphalium obtusifolium]:

Alabama

(Sedative)
- Compound decoction of plant used many ways for nervousness or sleeplessness.
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 663,664)

- Decoction of plant used as a face wash for nerves and insomnia.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)

Cherokee

(Analgesic)
- Compound used for local pains, muscular cramps and twitching.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

- Infusion of plant rubbed into scratches made over muscle cramp pain.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)

(Antirheumatic)
- Used with Carolina vetch for rheumatism.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

(Cold Remedy)
- Decoction taken for colds.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

(Cough Medicine)
- Used as a cough syrup.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

(Misc. Disease Remedy)
- Used in a sweatbath for various diseases.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

- Warm liquid blown down throat for clogged throat (diphtheria).
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

(Oral Aid)
- Chewed for sore mouth.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

(Orthopedic Aid)
- Compound used for muscular cramps and twitching.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

- Infusion of plant rubbed into scratches made over muscle cramp pain.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)

(Respiratory Aid)
- Smoked for asthma.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

(Throat Aid)
- Chewed for sore throat.
Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co. (p. 51, 52)

Choctaw

(Analgesic)
- Decoction of leaves and blossoms taken for lung pain.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)
Bushnell, Jr., David I. 1909 The Choctaw of Bayou Lacomb, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana. SI-BAE Bulletin #48 (p. 24)

(Cold Remedy)
- Decoction of leaves and blossoms taken for colds.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)
Bushnell, Jr., David I. 1909 The Choctaw of Bayou Lacomb, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana. SI-BAE Bulletin #48 (p. 24)

(Pulmonary Aid)
- Decoction of leaves and blossoms taken for lung pain.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)
Bushnell, Jr., David I. 1909 The Choctaw of Bayou Lacomb, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana. SI-BAE Bulletin #48 (p. 24)

Creek

(Adjuvant)
- Leaves added to medicines as a perfume.
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 661)

(Antiemetic)
- Decoction of leaves taken for vomiting.
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 661)

(Cold Remedy)
- Compound decoction of stem, leaves & flowers taken and used as inhalant for colds.
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 661)

(Misc. Disease Remedy)
- Poultice of decoction of leaves applied to throat for mumps.
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 661)

(Misc. Disease Remedy)
- Decoction of leaves used as a throat wash for mumps.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)

(Psychological Aid)
- Decoction of plant used as a wash for persons who "wanted to run away."
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 663,664)

(Sedative)
- Decoction of stems, leaves & flowers taken and used as a wash for old people unable to sleep.
Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672 (p. 661)

Koasati

(Febrifuge)
- Decoction of leaves taken for fevers.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)

(Pediatric Aid)
- Decoction of leaves used as a bath and given to children with fevers.
Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard University (p. 61)

Menominee

(Analgesic)
- Dried leaves steamed as an inhalant for headache.
Densmore, Francis 1932 Menominee Music. SI-BAE Bulletin #102 (p. 129)

(Disinfectant)
- Smudge of leaves used to fumigate premises after a death.
Smith, Huron H. 1923 Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians. Bulletin of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:1-174 (p. 30)

(Psychological Aid)
- Dried leaves steamed as an inhalant for "foolishness."
Densmore, Francis 1932 Menominee Music. SI-BAE Bulletin #102 (p. 129)

(Stimulant)
- Leaf smoke blown into nostrils to revive one who had fainted.
Smith, Huron H. 1923 Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians. Bulletin of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:1-174 (p. 30)

Meskwaki

(Psychological Aid)
- Smudge of herb used to "bring back a loss of mind."
Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326 (p. 214,215)

(Stimulant)
-Smudged and used to revive an unconscious patient.
Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326 (p. 214,215)

Montagnais

(Cough Medicine)
- Decoction of plant taken for coughing.
Speck, Frank G. 1917 Medicine Practices of the Northeastern Algonquians. Proceedings of the 19th International Congress of Americanists Pp. 303-321 (p. 314)

(Tuberculosis Remedy)
- Decoction of plant taken for consumption.
Speck, Frank G. 1917 Medicine Practices of the Northeastern Algonquians. Proceedings of the 19th International Congress of Americanists Pp. 303-321 (p. 314)

Rappahannock

(Febrifuge)
- Infusion of roots taken for chills.
Speck, Frank G., R.B. Hassrick and E.S. Carpenter 1942 Rappahannock Herbals, Folk-Lore and Science of Cures. Proceedings of the Delaware County Institute of Science 10:7-55. (p. 29)

(Respiratory Aid)
- Infusion of dried stems or dried leaves smoked in a pipe for asthma.
Speck, Frank G., R.B. Hassrick and E.S. Carpenter 1942 Rappahannock Herbals, Folk-Lore and Science of Cures. Proceedings of the Delaware County Institute of Science 10:7-55. (p. 29)

(Candy)
-Leaves chewed for "fun."
Speck, Frank G., R.B. Hassrick and E.S. Carpenter 1942 Rappahannock Herbals, Folk-Lore and Science of Cures. Proceedings of the Delaware County Institute of Science 10:7-55. (p. 29)
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock November 01, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
Thought I'd add some tips for finding it.

It needs good drainage, and it needs sunlight. You won't find it growing in the shade or in low areas. So it is usually found in open fields and on hillsides.

From afar, it might look like a bunch of white flowers or it might look like a dead dried up weed. Depends on whether or not the flowers have opened up and how mature the plant is. But it usually is a lighter color (all over) than the plants around it. It looks kinda frosted, gray or silvery, in comparison.

They are likely to be spread out over an area, instead of all growing together in a clump. This makes them harder to spot 'til you get closer to them. So walk through an area before you decide there aren't any there.

WARNING:
If/when you find it, you might see some of the flowers or leaves are clumped together in a mass that looks kinda like a spit-wad. That is because Rabbit Tobacco is the nursery of choice for the Painted Lady Butterfly and there is a larva/pupa/whatever inside the plastered together area. Just break off that part of the plant and leave it in the field.  :)

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: hi_itsgwen November 02, 2009, 03:47:03 AM
Does anyone know where a person can buy this herb????????????   I live in Northern Minnesota and have no clue what I am looking for.......besides that it is snowing.   ::)
I would love to have some on hand for the winter.

I sell it. I haven't posted an ad here yet, because I recommend it so often that I didn't want people to think I had an ulterior motive. I will post about my prices in the Buy/Sell/Trade thread. BUT if you don't want to buy from me, I have found two other places on the net, where you can get it. HERE  (http://www.wildpantry.com/herbs_i_p.htm) and  HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/Gnaphalium-obtusifolium-Cherokee-Tobacco-Sacred-Med_W0QQitemZ140355424992QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20add5d2e0).
WR...you're so silly!  Of course I'd rather get wild harvested RT from you than from someplace else.  I'm assuming that you recommend it because you use it and see the benefits.  PLUS, I love all the research that you've compiled on it.  It makes it easy to put together a page for my herbal notebook.

This has just been such an excellent find for my family.  Icky noses seems to be our most common health complaint, but we've breezed through the beginnings of a couple of colds in just hours with using RT.  It's powerful stuff!

Can you put a link to where you've posted the 'for sale' info for Rabbit Tobacco?
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock November 02, 2009, 05:53:41 AM
:)
My post with prices... CLICK HERE. (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3039.msg243834.html#msg243834)
:)

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: fisherprice November 27, 2009, 12:37:33 PM
Whiterock, i forgot that you sold it therefore i went on the ebay sight.  I cant wait to get it in the mail and test it out.  We have been fighting a cold and yucky green sinus stuff for a week now.

Anyways, i wanted to share a funny story.....I was reading about RT here and reading how you smoked it etc.  Well, my hubby walks up behind me and curriously asks what i am learning.  I just looked him straight in the eyes and said i am learning how to smoke weed  :o  That got him asking some questions right away.  ;D  Gotta love this sight. 
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock November 29, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
LOL.
Well, I hope it works as well for you as it has for us.

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock December 16, 2009, 07:44:56 AM
Hi all!

Dh showed up with a moving van and we finally got the whole house packed up and moved and the family is now all under one roof again. So, I have been packing, moving, and unpacking (that part is still going on actually) for the last couple weeks.

Anyway, I've uncovered my packed-up stash of Rabbit Tobacco and now I'm wondering how many of the folks who wanted to order from me, *still* want to order from me. :)

I know that some of you have since found RT on your own, and some may have just gotten fed up with waiting for me to unpack and get your orders out.

So...

IF YOU STILL WANT TO ORDER RABBIT TOBACCO, PLEASE PM ME AGAIN. THANKS!! :D

WR
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Joy2BMommy December 16, 2009, 09:40:44 PM
WR, does your RT grow wild or did you plant it?  I live in an area with lots of hillside and rather dry, hot summers.  Wondering if I ordered your seeds if I'd have any success growing it.  Does it plant/grow well?

Thanks!
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock December 17, 2009, 11:30:15 AM
It is wildcrafted --I gathered it from the wild. But I have read that it used to be offered in nurseries as a landscape plant, and people stoped buying it because it was "buggy" --the Painted Lady Butterfly larva just love it. But this is the same reason that many butterfly enthusiasts seek out the seeds to grow it their butterfly gardens today. So it can be grown. And I plan to grow a big patch of it wherever I move, from here on out. I know that it would have grown in my yard at home if we hadn't kept it mowed, because the first year plants were all over the place.

Oh and that's another thing.... Just to be clear, Rabbit Tobacco is biennial. This means that, the first year, it just grows a low clump of leaves (a basal rosette). The second year it grows the stalk and flowers (this is the part you harvest). And then it dies. It readily reseeds but I plant to save some seeds every year just to be on the safe side.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: mykidsmom December 18, 2009, 05:16:15 AM
WR, would it be possible for you to send some seed when you send RT?  Or could I just get seed from what is in a bag?  We have a good place we could grow that stuff (if our weather is conducive to it). 

patti
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Whiterock December 18, 2009, 01:56:12 PM
There shouldn't be any seeds in the bags of herb, because I sort it over a screen to get small praticulate out. But the bags that I keep the flowers in, before screening, end up with seeds all over the bottom. So I sell little bags of seeds for $3 each. There's well over 100 seeds per bag, but the seeds are so tiny that it looks like a pinch of ground pepper.
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: mykidsmom December 18, 2009, 07:48:09 PM
There shouldn't be any seeds in the bags of herb, because I sort it over a screen to get small praticulate out. But the bags that I keep the flowers in, before screening, end up with seeds all over the bottom. So I sell little bags of seeds for $3 each. There's well over 100 seeds per bag, but the seeds are so tiny that it looks like a pinch of ground pepper.

I'll buy a bag of the seeds too.  BTW, did you get my PM?

patti
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Jemima August 30, 2010, 09:04:16 AM
Does anyone know if Rabbit Tobacco is safe for pregnant or nursing moms?
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: YoopreMama August 30, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
A well-trusted friend says, "Only if she is allergic to the family. Neither, Darryl Patton or Matt Wood contraindicate it for either pregnancy or nursing."
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: YoopreMama August 31, 2010, 02:07:57 PM
Another, um, "high up there" WTer said this:  "I've used it while nursing. Prefer it in some type of inhalation treatment, and that also seems less likely to affect an unborn baby than ingesting as a tea or tincture."

 ;D
: Re: Rabbittobacco [ Rabbit Tobacco ] / Cudweed / Everlasting
: Jemima September 01, 2010, 03:12:54 AM
Good to know. Thank you!  :)