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Remedies & Therapies => Cleansing & the GI Tract => Candida & Leaky Gut => : ForeverGirl March 29, 2006, 06:39:15 PM

: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: ForeverGirl March 29, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
If Spirulina or Supermom isn't giving you the energy you need, I would ask the following questions:

A) How much are you taking? Enough? We recommend 3 grams of Spirulina daily. Taking more is not a problem. 3 grams is like a rounded to heaping teaspoon of Spirulina powder.

B) Are you taking Spirulina WITH a multi-vitamin? Because you may be deficient in another vitamin that isn't available in Spirulina alone. If you don't have a multi-vitamin, the best thing to take Spirulina with is a B complex supplement. Do some research to make sure your multi is a good vitamin supplement. For instance, NOT Centrum.

C) Do you have any Candidiasis symptoms? Many (I'd even venture to say MOST) Americans ingest too many toxins, yeasts, and antibiotics which allow the Candida albicans to over-populate their systems and bring about a lot of problems - see the article below.

One of the best ways to combat general GI candida is to try large doses of Acidophilus. Tummy Tune-up has acidophilus bifidus and 6 other natural bacteria, but a pure Acidophilus supplement is quite effective at targeting candida. If taking acidophilus seems to "work" for you, it's likely that you have candida and need to work on understanding it, and getting rid of it. If you do have candida, I'd recommend the Maker's Diet because of its focus on natural sources of caprilic acid and acidophilus through goat dairy products.

The following excerpt is taken from this page: http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/candidiasis.html

"Candidiasis
( antibiotic poisoning page 1)
Candidiasis is basically a twentieth century disease, resulting from medical developments like antibiotics, birth control pills, ulcer medications, and estrogen replacement therapy (HRT). And it can be triggered at a very young age, when children are first being treated with antibiotics (ear and throat infections).
Although widespread, candidiasis, or yeast overgrowth, is generally overlooked by the medical establishment because it's symptoms so closely mimic those of other conditions. Alternative physicians, however, recognize the seriousness of candidiasis, and where conventional medicine has often been ineffective in treating candidiasis, various alternative methods offer much hope for success.

Everyone has candida, a form of yeast ( Candida Albicans ), normally confined to the lower bowels, vagina and the skin. In healthy individuals with strong, functioning immune systems, it is harmless and kept in check by "good" bacteria, called Bifidobacteria and Acidophilus. But if the balance of the intestinal environment is altered by a compromised immune system or other factors, then opportunistic candida proliferates, infecting other body tissues. The candida becomes pathyogenic, transforming from a simple yeast into an aggressive ( mycelial ) fungus that can severely compromise one's health. This condition is known as "candidiasis".

According to James Braley, MD, medical director of Immuno Labs, Inc., in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the fungal form of candida appears to permeate the gastro intestinal mucosal lining and breaks down barriers to the blood stream. " When the fungal form of the candida occurs in the body, allergic substances can penetrate into the blood more easily, where they form immense complexes, and even promote food allergy reactions, " Dr Braley says. Since their symptoms are often interrelated, he emphasizes that candidiasis should usually be treated together with food allergies.

Candidiasis can affect areas of the body far removed from candida colonizations in the gastro intestinal tract and vagina. It's symptoms cover a broad spectrum and the condition can cause a number of diseases ranging from allergies, vaginitis, and thrush ( that is a whitish fungus in the mouth or vagina ), to an invasion of the genital-urinary tract, eyes, liver, heart, or central nervous system. At it's most destructive, candidiasis is involved in autoimmune diseases such as; Addison's disease and Aids. Other symptoms of candidiasis, according to Dr Braley, include digestive problems such as bloating, cramping, gas and diarrhea, respiratory problems, coughing, wheezing, earaches, central nervous system imbalances, generalized fatigue, and loss of libido.

Symptoms of Candidiasis

There is a wide array of candidiasis symptoms depending on individual age, sex, environmental exposures, and immune systems. These include, but are not limited to:

Chronic fatigue, especially after eating
Depression
Gastro Intestinal problems such as: bloating, gas, intestinal cramps, chronic diarrhea, constipation, or heartburn
Rectal itching
Allergies ( including both food and airborn )
Severe pre-menstrual syndrome
Impotence
Memory loss, severe mood swings, and feeling mentally " disturbed ".
Recurrent fungal infections such as " jock itch ", athelete's foot, or ringworm
Extreme sensitivity to chemicals, perfumes, smoke, or other odors
Recurrent vaginal or urinary infections
Prostatitis
A feeling of being light headed or drunk after minimal wine, beer, or certain foods
These symptoms worsen in moldy places such as basements or in damp climates, and after eating or drinking yeast or foods containing sugar."

This is another good site for Candida info:

http://www.wholeapproach.com/symptoms.html
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: Youthful One April 01, 2006, 04:26:23 PM
If you do have candida, I'd recommend the Maker's Diet because of its focus on natural sources of caprilic acid and acidophilus through goat dairy products.

Could you either post the Maker's Diet here or link me to where I could find it?
THANKS!

Julie
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: SteveTallent April 02, 2006, 09:39:38 AM
From my own personal experience and from all that I have read, acidophilus in conjuction with capryllic acid is highly effective in combatting yeast, and makiing the symptoms go away quickly. Doctors prescribe Nystatin for systemic yeast problems, and it is effective. But, taking a capryllic acid product, like Yeast Assassin, in conjuction with acidophilus, like Tummy Tuneup, and raw or aged, odorless garlic, is believed by some doctors to be more effective than Nystatin. (Probably cheaper overall too.)
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: ForeverGirl April 02, 2006, 11:44:45 AM
Here is where you can buy the Maker's Diet book - which is pretty good, and easy to read. This approach is for more than just Candida, it is for any type of GI illness.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0425204138/102-5347994-3808955?v=glance&n=283155

Here is a Maker's Diet website with more info you can read. This site actually looks "hokey" to me, but the book really isn't. There is a recipe section on this site though, which, if you do nothing but follow their recipes and food guides, while taking Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up - I believe your family can become Candida-free and healthy. I've been trying to learn how to cook like this - permanently!

http://www.gprxstore.com/info_pages/index.cfm?fuseaction=all&parent_id=42

Speaking of cooking, there is a website which allows you to find organic farmers in your area in order to buy range-fed meats and dairy products:

http://eatwild.com/

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: healthybratt April 19, 2006, 06:05:28 PM
Here is where you can buy the Maker's Diet book -
I went to the library today and everytime I go, I forget what books I want to look for.  I'm silly and never write them down and I have no memory left, but I asked the librarian for the section on natural healing and low and behold "The Maker's Diet" almost jumped off the shelf at me(okay a bit of an exaggeration)  :o, but there it was (maybe God is trying to tell me something  :-[), so I checked it out along with a few others for some cross-referencing.  I'm only through the first chapter, but it was difficult for me to even put it down to put the kids to bed and then post this entry.  I'm not even done with the book and I'm already convinced there is something to this.  (Look at me, the gullable one  ::)).  Anyway, Beka recommends it, I'm recommending it even for just a look a spritual perspective on health and well being.  My only problem is the expense that's going to follow.  Where oh where to find un-poisoned food that doesn't cost 5 times as much as the processed toxins we eat every day?
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: MQM May 15, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
My only problem is the expense that's going to follow.  Where oh where to find un-poisoned food that doesn't cost 5 times as much as the processed toxins we eat every day?

I'm with you on this one, HB.  When I read this book a year ago, my husband was so concerned when I asked about purchasing things organic. "It cost how much more? " Since I am his helpmeet and not his mommy ;D, I have to stop myself from trying to change what he has been doing for 30+ years and when the budget allows, I grab a few things here and there that we can negotiate.  He's even been open to the idea of purchasing 1/2 an organically raised cow if we split it with my sis and bro-in-law. :o :)
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: healthybratt May 15, 2006, 07:16:15 PM
He's even been open to the idea of purchasing 1/2 an organically raised cow if we split it with my sis and bro-in-law. :o :)

Which half do you get?   ::)
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: Mama Sita May 19, 2006, 02:54:36 AM
Funny!!!! :D :D ;D
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: mmloper May 19, 2006, 02:11:41 PM
Wow! I am sure I have this Candiasis, or whatever it is called. I just started the Supermom on Wed, and I expected to be a little 'off' the first few days, but after reading that post I am sure I have that. Two years ago I did the Cleanse Smart organ and colon cleanse. I did not know to take probiotics while doing the cleanse and since I have wondered if I am full of nasty stuff again. For two years I have experienced many of those symptoms. Just recently, (past several months) my eyes are red across the center.
Do you think the yeast assasin and the tummy trouble will help? I am horrible at diets. I do have the Maker's Diet, but I have been trying to eat a vegetarian diet bc I cannot afford the organic meats right now. Since drinking only water I haven't used my sugar in a long time. But what else? And where do we buy the Yeast Assasin?
thanks for any advice,
marie
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: healthybratt May 19, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
Do you think the yeast assasin and the tummy trouble will help? ...And where do we buy the Yeast Assasin?

Candida is the cause of a syndrome called leaky gut which can cause a plethera of problems.  Click here (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=603.new#new) to read more.

I definately think those products will be good for you.  You can find them at beeyoutiful.com. (http://beeyoutiful.com.)
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: mmloper May 19, 2006, 02:31:37 PM
thank you, I just ordered the tummy tune-up and the yeast assasin. Is this the same as a cleanse? if not, should I do one before I take the yeast assasin?
thanks, marie
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: mommytimesfour May 19, 2006, 02:51:57 PM
I just wanted to make a suggestion on buying good meat. I have to watch our budget also and grass feed organic beef can be pretty spendy. I buy it when it is on sale at the farmers market, but that is not often enough and can still cost a fortune. This last year I bought a 1/2 cow from the local university. They sell their mostly grass feed beef (they finish with grains). It is not raised with antibiotics or hormones. I have to buy in large Quantity, but the beef is cheeper than even the "yucky" stuff at the grocery store. Get on line and see if you local university has an agricultural dept. and sells beef. Also, the previous year I bought a 1/4 cow from some 4-H kids I knew. You can get a good cow that way also.

Hope that helps $$wise!
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: healthybratt May 19, 2006, 03:53:19 PM
thank you, I just ordered the tummy tune-up and the yeast assasin. Is this the same as a cleanse? if not, should I do one before I take the yeast assasin?
thanks, marie

The Master Cleanse (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,334.0.html) is a juice fast devised to help cleanse the GI tract.  It could help eliminate candida, but it probably won't do it alone and it's not necessary in order to treat candida.
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: mmloper May 20, 2006, 04:12:57 AM
Thank you all for the help. I will definitely look into buying a 1/4 of a cow. I am in Virginia, southeast, and I believe Virginia Tech has an agricultural department.
I had checked out a book at the library yesterday...something about prescription for healing. I read about this candida and now I know I have it. Probably for a very long time. yuck. at least I know now what it is...
anyway, thanks to all. marie
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: lewisquiverfull May 21, 2006, 11:57:25 AM
Back to the subject a little bit, my daughter and I have symptoms of candida. How can I start a change with her, she is 3 and would live on peanut butter sandwiches or biscuits if I would let her. She is happy with drinking water all the time. She's not big on trying any new foods. She doesn't like meat at all, other than the occasional piece of fish or chicken. (very rarely) I am willing to change my diet, but I am at a total loss of how to completely get rid of yeast from our diet. We like breads, pastas, and crackers. What kind of recipes or food dishes do you cook with to get rid of the yeast? I am really interested in this to see if we would feel better. We have some liquid acidopholus and I am going to get some garlic, what else would be a 'necessity' since our budget is very tight? Thanks.
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: bjsparks1976 May 21, 2006, 12:18:58 PM
In the fall of 2002, my husband had surgery on his tonsils and soft palate as it was flapping off while sleeping and not allowing him to exhale.  In the spring of 2003, he began to develope sores, not canker sores, but sores in his throat and on his vocal cords.   These sores were disabilitating, made him horribly sick. The doctors were puzzled, we mentioned possible fungal problems, he treated with Nystatin--nothing.  A precious lady in our church gave us some Pau D'Arco, finally made some tea, wallah, sore retreated within two days.  Later that fall he began to experience bowel pain--horrible spasms, rectal itching that was overwhelming.  We thought the worst--cancer--had a colonoscopy done--again, nothing.  Then the sores returned, back to Pau D'Arco and both problems disappated.  Well, now here is the scenerio--back pain (possibly kidney), then rectal itch increases and if not hit hard with Pau D'Arco, the bowel problems begin raging with cold sweats and serious flu-like symptoms, and eventually the infamous sores.  Pau D'Arco is the main key to relief with oregano and rosemary oil mixed with good old'fashioned Bag Balm for the rectal problem.  We are looking forward to the Yeast Assasin as this has been a long haul.  When I read the doctor's list of symtoms, the mood swings, concentration, lack of memory were a slap in the face.  This has also been a major factor ... just didn't know that it might be included with all the other.
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: abbilynn July 13, 2006, 04:31:27 PM
My 4 yr old has sensory problems and refuses to eat about everything.  He mostly eats crackers, pasta, bread (wheat only), and fruit.  I keep him away from sugar, but he obviously has a yeast problem.  I know I cannot give him Yeast Assassin, and I heard Tummy Tune Up would help but not rid the whole problem.  I want to completely change his diet and get him off all that stuff he eats but don't want to make him sick or anything.  Any suggestions?  I thought about trying a wheat/gluten free diet to see if he gets better but that seems soooo hard and I don't even know where to start.  I just want him to get better!  :-[
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: mrschvaida July 14, 2006, 09:21:40 AM
I had a yeast problem as well and passed it on to my children. Lots of yeast infections, thrush, breakouts on skin, fungus, bedwetting, etc... 
I found this website through a friend and we started using it.  It has cleared up all of our problems, including bedwetting for my 6 yr old. I have no signs of yeast now.  I respond well to herbs, medicines and such and so I only ended using 2 boxes total.  It is different for each individual.  There is a saliva test to take (the website shows you how) to see if the problem is yeast in the first place. It is amazing how many areas of our body yeast can affect.  I hope this helps.

www.stopyeast.com
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: dara July 14, 2006, 06:10:31 PM
I like using coconut oil instead of butter.
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: abbilynn July 16, 2006, 04:44:24 PM
That all makes sense.  The most amazing thing just happened.  I went to the GFCF website and it started talking about how gluten and casein can be like a drug for kids on the autism spectrum.  So, they literally become addicted to mik and wheat products.  It hit me like a rock!  For so long my son's diet has been limited to wheat (crackers, cereal, pretzels, bagels, bread, etc.)  He CRAVES this stuff.  I could never figure out why he cries all day long about how hungry he is and seems to eat a TON of that stuff.  For example, he eats an entire package of graham crackers or two sandwiches or half a bag of pretzels.  Anyway, it totally makes sense now!!!!  He is addicted to the gluten.  The casein thing actually applies too even though he doesn't drink milk.  He eats yogurt all the time and cries when I tell him he can't have anymore.  THEN... another rock hit me!  It started talking about yeast problems due to eating all those wheat products and all the problems it can cause.  I am blown away.  It's like another huge piece of the puzzle has just been revealed.  I could just cry!  (over being happy and sad :-\)  So, I definently think we need to try this diet.  BUT, I'm wondering what the best way to rid his body of yeast is.  I've read Nystatin works well, but not sure how safe it is.  Also, does this mean he can't have any alternatives to sugar such as honey or brown rice syrup?  I know yeast feeds on sugar.  I'm also concerned about the withdrawal issues and I've read about how sick you can get when you detox from yeast, which is a sign that it worked but also a little scary.  Sorry to go on and on, I just can't believe all this information!
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: dara July 17, 2006, 04:16:22 AM
Sorry I can't really answer your yeast questions. I don't have any experience with yeast. Perhaps the others can help you out there, and I think the GFCF diet site has a way you can contact other GFCF moms with questions...
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: IMPersuadd July 17, 2006, 05:23:19 AM
THEN... another rock hit me!  It started talking about yeast problems due to eating all those wheat products and all the problems it can cause.  I am blown away.  It's like another huge piece of the puzzle has just been revealed.  I could just cry!  (over being happy and sad :-\)  So, I definently think we need to try this diet.  BUT, I'm wondering what the best way to rid his body of yeast is.  I've read Nystatin works well, but not sure how safe it is. 

Abbilynn,
Yes, yeast is another potential issue - even after we did the GFCF diet for a year, the naturopath did a complete digestive stool analysis on my son and yeast was still a definite problem.  So he had the pharmacy compound a nystatin oral suspension for him to take.  Nystatin is relatively cheap and he said completely safe.  Seth is taking 100,000 mg, four times a day for at least a month at which point we re-check things.  The ND warned me about yeast kill off symptoms but so far there haven't been anything substantial.  Even so, it would be worth it as his latest allergy panel showed a dramatic improvement in his reaction to various foods and food groups and I feel like this is hopefully the last hurdle to climb.  I will keep him essentially GFCF, but at least now it won't be such a dire matter - if we are at someone's house or something I can relax a bit.

PTL! He is is showing you these things - I know how frusttrating it can be to go for years wondering and feeling like a failure as a mom and then to actually be able to help your child.  What a relief!
Lori
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 07:31:25 AM
I know, it is frustrating.  I called another mom I know today - her son has autism.  I told her to definently check into the GFCF thing.  She was excited.  Do you have your son on a probiotic like Tummy Tune-Up or anything while he is on the Nystatin?  I don't want to overload his system but I've heard good things about TTU.  Seems like a good course of action would be to wean him onto a GFCF, treat the yeast problem with Nystatin, and keep him on a good multivitamin plus a good probiotic to build the good bacteria back up.  We have already cut back tremendously on the wheat products, but the GFCF website suggested weaning to lessen the side-effects.  It's so weird to think a child's system can get the same effect from gluten and casien if they're not breaking them down as a person can get from a drug!  He has shown some withdrawal, like irritability but that's an issue he always has.  By the way, it's probably stupid, but what does PTL stand for? ???
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: IMPersuadd July 17, 2006, 08:42:51 AM
PTL stands for Praise the Lord.  :-)

And yes, he is on a probiotic - has been for a year+ now but the yeast was basically eating the good stuff and allowing the bad stuff to grow so even with the probiotic his system stayed imbalanced.  I am hoping the nystatin works to kill off the yeast so the good stuff can grow and he can get balanced out internally.  According to all his blood work and other tests it is the last main hurdle for us.

Lori
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: KatieMac July 17, 2006, 09:01:08 AM
My son is 3 and a half...can we try Yeast Assasin? I've been feeling more and more lately that I need to start purifying his diet by removing yeasty foods, sugar and dairy. Today I told him he couldn't have candy and he LUNGED at me, grabbed my neck and pinched as hard as he could. After I disciplined him I held him in my arms and asked him if he felt like he needed sugar all the time. He said yes. I told him there was something broken in his body that made him want bad food all the time and did he want Mommy to fix it? He cried "Fix it, fix it." I'm so terrified but I really see that there is something going on here. Scary...
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: dara July 17, 2006, 09:01:33 AM
abbilynn, your plan of action sounds good! And I would recomend a probiotic too...
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 09:20:36 AM
KatieMac, they told me at beeyoutiful.com that kids cannot take Yeast Assassin.  They can take the Tummy Tune Up and that may help but not take care of the whole problem.  Symptoms of yeast problems include rashes on body that won't go away, craving sugaring food (but what kid doesn't, right?!), sinus problems, and hyyperactivity.  The child can show one or many of the symptoms.  There's a wesbite you can go to and take a test to see if your child may have yeast overgrowth.  When I remember what it was I'll let you know so you can check it out.
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 09:23:45 AM
okay, the website is candidasupport.org (http://candidasupport.org) and they have a test for you and a test for children.  You just answer yes or no to the questions and they add up your score for you.  I would definently check it out before doing anything.
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: KatieMac July 17, 2006, 09:38:34 AM
Ok, checking it out. I've got a friend whose son has Asberger's and she's got a lot of experience with this stuff...her observances and my own lead me to beleive my son has problems that can be cured mostly by diet. I'm so nervous and intimidated but I feel like I need to work on wheat, dairy, sugar, etc. Thanks for the link!
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 12:01:21 PM
Just had a disappointing call with my son's doctor.  He says he has never known anyone to improve from the GFCF diet on the autism spectrum and highly doubts there is a yeast problem - therefore will not give me Nystatin.  Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem?  I don't believe him about the diet, I have read way too much info to believe it cannot help.  It's at least worth the effort!  Why are doctors like this?  It's soooo frustrating!  Ugh!  There's got to be a way to help him even if his doctor won't help the process...
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: IMPersuadd July 17, 2006, 12:23:02 PM
Dear Abbilynn,

If you have good insurance or if money is not an issue, I would insist that the doctor run the tests needed to make those determinations.  To dismiss something out of hand is not even professional.  A food allergy panel is a simple blood test and will tell you alot quickly.  Or confirm what you already suspect.  :-)  Our ND did a comprehensive stool analysis and that is how he found the yeast but perhaps there are other tests for that.  I thought I read recently someone mentioned a saliva test?

If this doctor will not even run some basic tests to do a thorough diagnostics than I would change doctors.  It took me three years of beating my head against a brick wall to do so, and wish I had much sooner.  But I found a great ND who also happens to be a Christian (even passes out TTUAC) to patients as he deems necessary.  :-)  It has made ALL the difference in Seth's care and treatment.  And what I find interesting in a sad sort of way is that the diagnostics he uses aren't "new age" or alternative type things, but comprehensive blood panels and other labs that ANY doctor should be well aware of and able to utilize.  Sound science.  But then when he determines what is wrong, we attack it from a nutritional and natural methodology.

Just my humble opinion.
Lori
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 01:57:10 PM
That's what I was hoping his doctor would say he could do.  But this may be a blessing in disguise b/c my husband's company just switched insurance on us and the pediatrician is no longer in-network.  We were so bummed b/c he is such a Godly man and has known us for over 6 years.  This is the first time ever I do not feel like he is right.  So, finding another doctor seems to be the direction we need to take.  The down side is that even if a new doctor, or the specialist he is scheduled to see in Sept., will run diagnostic tests, our insurance won't cover very much of it.  We are already in-debt with therapy bills.  But God will provide money from somewhere.  It is obvious He is laying this path, so He will provide a way where there is none!
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: SHERRI REEL July 17, 2006, 02:13:18 PM
Praise GOD! the topics that I have been reading are showing me the different actions in my family "signs" of dietary problems and I am blessed that I can glean truths from your discoverys I will be praying that he will show you his will for your families. God bless.
Sherri
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: SHERRI REEL July 17, 2006, 03:03:45 PM
I looked at that web site that abbilynn talked about, treelac is something that I have seen beka talk about is that something that beeyoutiful carries or can get for us? I feel like I'm swimming in the ocean and I'm drownding in info. can anyone explain this more so it makes since?
Sherri
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 03:20:14 PM
Sherri,
ThreeLac is a yeast cleansing.  It is safe for children and adults, but expensive.  Beeyoutiful does not carry it.  They carry a yeast cleanse called Yeast Assassin but it is for adults only.  I, too, feel as if I could drown in all this information!  I think something important to remember if attempting a yeast cleanse is that sugars must be eliminated from the diet, at least during the cleansing, since yeast feeds on sugar.  I'm told it is helpful to be on a good probiotic also like Tummy Tune Up from beeyoutiful. 
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: SHERRI REEL July 17, 2006, 03:26:46 PM
ALL SUGAR?
even honey or fruit?
Sherri
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: abbilynn July 17, 2006, 03:33:06 PM
Well, that's what I asked too but no one really said.  It seems like if you limited natural sugar and stayed completely away from all refined stuff you may be okay.  Not sure though.  We already have taken away refined sugars and dyes b/c it effects his sensory issues really bad.
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: abbilynn July 18, 2006, 05:01:03 AM
Sherri,
I just read that if there is a yeast problem, all sugars need to be eliminated from the diet, including natural ones.  They recommend only allowing 2 servings of peelable fruit per day.  No honey, molasses, etc.  They did mention Stevia as being an allowable substitute, but said it is expensive.  I got the info from the book "Special Diets for Special Kids."
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: SHERRI REEL July 18, 2006, 05:46:03 AM
Peelable? bananas have the most sugar of all fruits ,but I would assume them to mean more citris.
I baught a juicer last night and I'm going to try getting as much veg-fruit juice down us as possible to get the nutrients that I know we are not getting.
This morning I got 4oz. of carrot,apple, banana juice down them w/o a fight,so we'll keep trying that until I learn more.
Sherri   
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: abbilynn July 18, 2006, 06:21:10 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure why "peelable" means anything.  Bananas are full of sugar.  But they were saying that sometimes the same kids who react to gluten and casien also react to citrus.  Also, maybe the type of natural sugar in citrus is more prone to yeast?  Not sure though.  Orange is peelable but citrus.  So maybe that theory doesn't work.  Let me know if you find any good info on this!
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: mrschvaida July 18, 2006, 12:31:06 PM
Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem? 

I got rid of all my family's yeast problems with this product...
www.stopyeast.com
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: jamieandsamuelsmom July 19, 2006, 05:46:25 PM
One book that gets into what sugars to eliminate for yeast is "Breaking the Vicious Cycle:  Intestinal Health Through Diet."  The diet is suitable for yeast, some behavioral issues, and several digestive/intestinal disorders.   From what I understand, monosaccarides like honey or completely ripe bananas are ok.  But no grains at all on that diet, so I didn't try it.  I'm trying to do use the Nourishing Traditions book for diet and see if that helps our family.  It's hard for me to get all unfermented grains out though.

Jen
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: shawnaincov July 20, 2006, 06:23:41 AM
Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem? 

I got rid of all my family's yeast problems with this product...
www.stopyeast.com

OK I went to the website and it all sounds good except for the price :o  I want to know something that I didn't find on the site though.  Does the yeast stay gone?  Do you have to do something to keep it gone? 

Shawna :-*
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: visionarymom July 20, 2006, 09:19:57 AM

ALL SUGAR?
even honey or fruit?
Sherri

Actually, any fruit that is considered and "acid fruit" is okay according to my naturopath. They consist of  Acerola cherry, sour apple, (granny smith), cranberry, currant, gooseberry, grapefruit, sour (green) grape, kumquat, lemon, lime, loganberry, orange, sour peach, pineapple, sour plum, pomegranate, strawberry, tangerine, tomato.

The best veges during a yeast killoff are the non-starch/green veges. These include artichoke, asparagus, bamboo shoots, bell pepper, beet top, bok choy, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, celery, chive, cilantro, collard, chard, cucumber, dandelion, eggplant, endive, escarole, garlic, green beans, kale, kohlrabi, leek, lettuce, mushroom*, okra, onion, parsley, fresh peas, radish, radiccio, spinach, sprouts, squash, (not banana or hubbard), swiss chard, turnip top, watercress, zucchini.

I think I just read that mushrooms should be avoided during a yeast cleanse as well, because they are a fungus, which I guess could add to the problem.

Basically ANYTHING sweet in the realm of fruit and anything starchy in the realm of veges should be avoided. Yes, it is extremely limiting, but very effective!
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: healthybratt July 20, 2006, 07:37:58 PM
OK I went to the website and it all sounds good except for the price :o  I want to know something that I didn't find on the site though.  Does the yeast stay gone?  Do you have to do something to keep it gone? 

Shawna :-*

Yeast is naturally occuring in everyone's digestive system and left unchecked it will grow out of controlled again and again.  You need to avoid drugs that kill the good bacteria (oral contraceptives, NSAIDS and antibiotics) and make sure you get the good guys population way up and keep it up (kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, probiotics, etc) and keep the sugars and refined starches and grains to a minimum so as not to feed the bad guys.
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: Chickory Chick July 21, 2006, 01:49:25 AM
Since salt kills yeast, wouldnt the cleanses that require you to drink salt water be good for killing this too?   Just a thought!
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: jaemom July 21, 2006, 02:43:29 AM
I went to my health food store and the lady there mentioned using digestive enzymes for yeast problems.  They sold a pill and a powder specifically made for children.  Maybe this could help kids with a yeast problem?  I remember thinking it was expensive, but maybe it was comparable to other yeast treatments like threelac?  Here's a thread on enzymes and candida. http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1412.0.html
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: shawnaincov July 21, 2006, 06:36:19 AM
Yeast is naturally occuring in everyone's digestive system and left unchecked it will grow out of controlled again and again.  You need to avoid drugs that kill the good bacteria (oral contraceptives, NSAIDS and antibiotics) and make sure you get the good guys population way up and keep it up (kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, probiotics, etc) and keep the sugars and refined starches and grains to a minimum so as not to feed the bad guys.

I have a question about the antibiotics too.  I have mitral valve prolapse and require an antibiotic premed before any dental work.  That includes even getting me teeth cleaned.  I hate this but they won't do it otherwise.  What can I do to offset the effects of this? 
I don't eat sugars and refined starches as I must watch my blood sugar levels.  I eat a low carb diet.  I only eat whole grains, but you said to keep grains at a minimum.  Does this mean my whole grains too?  I make my own bread, with organic wheat. 

THanks
Shawna :-*
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: Sonja July 21, 2006, 07:10:42 AM
I went to the stopyeast website and it sounds great.  But the price I just can't swing.  I've been battling yeast and it's gotten out of control again.  I guess I need to be more aggressive and make sure I do a routine long enough to kick it.  I am taking Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-up. If anyone has any other suggestions to speed things along (other than diet as I'm watching my sugar intake), that might be in comparison to the ThreeLac/Oxygen Enzyme treatment, but cheaper, please share!   :)

Sonja
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt July 21, 2006, 07:13:17 AM
I have a question about the antibiotics too.  I have mitral valve prolapse and require an antibiotic premed before any dental work.  That includes even getting me teeth cleaned.  I hate this but they won't do it otherwise.  What can I do to offset the effects of this?

Antibiotics kill the microflora (bacteria) that are supposed to be living in your GI tract.  These bacteria control infections from EColi, Salmonella, stomach viruses and YEAST.  Without them, you are susceptable to catch any number of things, all which most doctors will prescribe more antibiotics and then the cycle begins.  If you must take them, then you will need to replenish the bacteria with probiotics and/or fermented foods containing these microbes (kombucha, kefir, yogurt, kimchee, sauerkraut and other naturally fermented "live culture" foods.
 
I only eat whole grains, but you said to keep grains at a minimum.

I said "refined starches and grains", whole grains are highly recommended and healthy for you, especially if you're soaking them first.
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: shawnaincov July 21, 2006, 08:47:27 AM
Do I need to start the probiotics before I take the antibiotic and about how long should I take them? 
Since it makes you more suseptible to stomach virus,  this could be why I get it sooo easily!!!  I have just started taking Supermom, just ordered yeast assassin and planning to start taking it ASAP with tummy tune-up. 

I thought that about the grains.  I guess I read what you wrote last wrong.  What do you meen by "soaking it first"? 
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: healthybratt July 21, 2006, 11:45:50 AM
  What do you meen by "soaking it first"? 

Do a search on "soaking" and "grains" from the "Home Page".  There are a lot of posts on the subject - how and why and when.

Basically, you're supposed to soak your grains (berries) before you grind them into flour to remove phytates (plant estrogens) to make them better for you.  I don't do this myself, so I don't have much to offer in the way of experience.  I buy my flour already ground.
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: shawnaincov July 21, 2006, 04:20:36 PM
  What do you meen by "soaking it first"? 

Do a search on "soaking" and "grains" from the "Home Page".  There are a lot of posts on the subject - how and why and when.

Basically, you're supposed to soak your grains (berries) before you grind them into flour to remove phytates (plant estrogens) to make them better for you.  I don't do this myself, so I don't have much to offer in the way of experience.  I buy my flour already ground.


Thanks I will.  Right now I buy my flour already ground too.  I haven't gone so far as to buy a mill. 

You answered that part but not the other.  Do you know about the probiotics?  Whether I should take them before I have my dental visits?  If not that is OK.  Does anyone else know?

Thanks
Shawna :-*
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt July 21, 2006, 04:44:14 PM
You answered that part but not the other.  Do you know about the probiotics?  Whether I should take them before I have my dental visits?  If not that is OK.  Does anyone else know?

I don't really know for sure, but I'd say it would be a waste of supplements to take them before, because the antibiotics would most surely kill them.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 10, 2006, 02:57:21 PM
Candida Yeast/Fungal overgrowth has been found to be a common occurrence in many disorders and is also present in millions of other people who cannot figure out what is wrong with them, or what to do about it.

Symptoms vary from person to person and fluctuate in severity, or may come and go. Most symptoms are invisible, which makes it difficult for others to understand the vast array of debilitating symptoms with which we contend.

The most common are:

    * an incapacitating fatigue
    * problems with concentration and short-term memory
    * flu-like symptoms such as pain in the joints and muscle
    * extreme tightness in the shoulders and neck
    * hyper-acidity/acid reflux
    * brown colored mucus in the back of the throat
    * blisters in the mouth/tongue/throat
    * either white or "blood blisters"
    * unrefreshing sleep
    * sore throat
    * white coated tongue
    * dark circles under the eyes
    * an aversion to being touched or jumping
    * "crawling" skin
    * chronic sinus problems and headaches including migraines
    * chronic dental problems

Visual disturbances may include blurring, sensitivity to light and eye pain.

Psychological problems may include:

    * depression
    * irritability
    * anxiety
    * panic attacks
    * recurring obsessive thoughts
    * personality changes and mood swings (irrational rage or crying for no reason - fear of talking to people, any kind of confrontation, isolation)
    * paranoia

More of the physical symptoms may include:

    * chills and night sweats
    * shortness of breath
    * dizziness and balance problems
    * sensitivity to heat and/or cold
    * alcohol intolerance
    * gluten and/or casein intolerance
    * irregular heartbeat
    * irritable bowel
    * constipation and/or diarrhea
    * painful gas and abdominal bloating
    * low-grade fever or low body temperature
    * numbness, tingling and/or burning sensations in the face or extremities
    * dryness of the mouth and eyes
    * difficulty swallowing
    * projectile vomiting

Also:

    * menstrual problems including PMS and endometriosis
    * recurrent yeast infections
    * recurrent ear infections
    * rashes and dry, flaking skin
    * eczema
    * dermatitis
    * acne
    * skin discoloration and/or blotchiness
    * dandruff
    * jock and rectal itching
    * chronic athlete's foot
    * chronic toenail and fingernail fungus
    * ringing in the ears (tinnitus)
    * allergies and sensitivities to noise/sound, foods, odors, chemicals
    * anemia
    * weight changes without changes in diet
    * light-headedness
    * feeling in a fog
    * fainting
    * muscle twitching and muscle weakness
    * restless leg syndrome
    * low sex drive and/or numbness in the genital area

These are only the symptoms most commonly reported and documented...from (http://www.candidafree.net/)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Kati*did August 11, 2006, 11:24:47 AM
Yeehaw.  I must be a lump of yeast.  I cannot tell you all how much I appreciate eveything I've read here.  I have type I diabetes which I am trying hard to get under perfect control so I can have kids (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D).  But if I take the YA and TT and my blood sugar goes high on occassion (sometimes my period or something will give me an unexpected high bs) will that ruin the whole effect I'm trying to acheive?

Katie

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: healthybratt August 11, 2006, 05:01:37 PM
Yeehaw.  I must be a lump of yeast.  I cannot tell you all how much I appreciate eveything I've read here.  I have type I diabetes which I am trying hard to get under perfect control so I can have kids (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D).  But if I take the YA and TT and my blood sugar goes high on occassion (sometimes my period or something will give me an unexpected high bs) will that ruin the whole effect I'm trying to acheive?

I just posted an article on the Diabetes Type 1 thread (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,475.msg14885.html#msg14885).  This article backs up what I said before about it being an autoimmune disease.  There is a lot of information in this article on how to control and even reverse type 1 Diabetes in some people.  Worth a read.  Most of the things recommended are the same dietary changes that are recommended in the Leaky Gut thread and should correspond with treating for candida as well.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 13, 2006, 05:39:09 AM
To kill stubborn candidiasis and fungal infections other than prescription drugs like Diflucan, it is Oregamax (Northern Spice and Herb Co). Several persons with CFIDS or candidiasis have told this is the most effective product they have found for Candida Albicans. Some persons have taken as much as 3 capsules three times a day. It is important to supplement with Biotin to keep the yeast in its single cell state where it is noninvasive. Japanese researchers have found that oregano also kills the HIV virus. The wild crafted oregano is the most potent product on the market. One lady told me she used oil of oregano (Northern Spice) in enema water and had excellent results. However, unless you turn on those Th1 cytokines, the candida will be back with the first sweet roll you eat.

from http://www.drkaslow.com/html/immune_restoration.html
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: quiverfilling August 13, 2006, 03:17:13 PM
Hi there...new here, but not really...been lurking a little for a couple of weeks.  Here's my story:  Almost two months ago I realized that my newborn (Then 2 months old, now almost 4 months old) had thrush after researching why I was having pain while breastfeeding (he is my third son). I went to dr. had nystatin prescribed for him (didn't work) and started the candida diet, and supplementing with some things that my lactation consultant recommended:  acidophilus, echinacea, garlic.  The reason I started to treat myself is because the more research I did, the more I realized that candida has been a problem contributing to a majority of my health complaints over the past 10 years or so -- everything from infertility, hypothyroidism, depression, fatigue, acne, digestive issues, the list goes on.  I am so mad that no one has ever suggested this to me before -- especially given my past use of antibiotics (I've had two surgeries to have gallbladder removed and two rounds of antibiotics during two of my pregnancies) and birth control pills (NEVER AGAIN!) and high stress levels.  NO ONE could ever give me a reason for my symptoms -- they just wanted to treat each one individually....

Anyhow, It has been 6 weeks and I have been pretty strict with the diet:  no sugar, flour, dairy, gluten (I did have oatmeal for awhile until I realized how it was a gluten grain), limited consumption of fruit, and have had moderate consumption of corn, which I now realize that I  probably need to eliminate completely.  I've "cheated" a little due to family gatherings that had little to offer someone "like me" and broke down and had ice cream once after a really bad day.  So far I've lost 18 pounds, and feel terrible:  headaches, fatigue, acne, itching....sometimes I think I feel worse than I did before.  I know that this will tend to happen with die off, detox, etc, but for how long?  AND NOW I am so paranoid about what this may be doing to my poor dear son who is really innocent in this whole thing.  The whole reason he had thrush in the first place was because of me, now he has little bumps all over his body, diarrhea, what seems to be a cold (coughing, runny nose, sneezing, congestion) and the thrush still hasn't gone away.  I want to get myself healthy, but what price is my son paying?  AM I dumping toxins into my milk that he is getting?  Is he going through his own detox of sorts -- could I be harming him more by cleansing my body of candida than not?  I'm so scared....I'm also worried about my other two boys (ages five and three) and whether or not they have candida issues as well.  My 5 year old is always tired, grumpy, moody and craves milk like no tomorrow.  My three year old always wants sugar (I don't give it to him anymore), he is underweight for his age (he was 10 lbs at birth), and has similar digestive issues as I do (irritable bowel, constipation, diarrhea, etc).  It freaks me out.  I have been so misinformed and now my kids may pay a price for my stupidity?  What can I do?  What's the best thing to do for myself while keeping all my kids (but especially my infant's) needs and health in mind.  I thought changing my diet would be a good thing, but now I"m not so sure.  I just want to be healthy and I want my kids to be healthy -- the last thing I want to do is contiribute to their unhealthiness.  I don't know...I know I'm rambling, but I don't have much time (my family needs me) and I'm trying to get as much info out as I can as fast as I can.  Can anyone help?  Can anyone steer me in the right direction? Is there some piece of the puzzle I'm missing (there's so much info out there and everything seems to contradict everything else).  Are there other things I should be taking, things I am doing, that I shouldn't be doing (esp. now while breastfeeding -- which I intend to to for at least 9 more months).  AAAAAHHHH!  I'm just so sad, so overwhelmed, and so scared.  Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  I have a ton more questions, but need to go for now.  Where would I post a question about the supermom tabs?  I'd like to know more about that.... THANKS for listening.  God bless you all in your journey to health and wellness.  I KNOW that HE intends something better...I'm just so sorry that I didn't listen sooner.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: kittyninja August 13, 2006, 03:27:01 PM
I dunno but i have read and told by a health store lady NOT to do a candida cleanse while nursing. Toxins are coming out everywhere-even your breastmilk. Not an expert but i would say to just try to cut back and maybe try the water clease while cutting out little by little. All right you experts let's hear it!! ;)
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: ForeverGirl August 13, 2006, 05:25:11 PM
Yes, the Water Cure is a good place to start. I would also recommend staying off the sugar and carbs, and adding Tummy Tuneup or some strong probiotic to your diet and to all of your kid's diets. TTup in bottles, on your breast if you're nursing, and sprinkled in baby food will clear up your baby's symptoms and the thrush. You taking TTup will help heal your gut sooner. The Water Cure will help you pass the releasing toxins and clean out the die-off faster.

Yes, start with the Water Cure, and keep up with your diet efforts. Add TTup as soon as you can.

Eat lots of kefir and yogurt. If you can find it, buy a high grade aloe vera juice and drink it mixed in water or juice every day. Aloe is a good alternative for Yeast Assassin in killing the Candida Albicans. It is safe for pregnant and nursing mothers, and for children. It will also help heal holes in the gut caused by the candida.

You are going to be okay - and your family will get well. It seems overwhelming right now, and it may take a while, but you're on the right track, and persistence will see you through.

Prayers for you,

Rebekah
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: healthybratt August 13, 2006, 09:00:54 PM
You need some probiotics.  Tummy Tune-up is a good choice, but you can get acidophilus or some other probiotic at your health store.  I am personally taking TT as is my husband and kids.  You also need to monitor your fats.  You need to make sure you eliminate all hydrogenated oils and fats (shortening, crisco, veggie oils, etc) and replace them with good fats (butter, olive oil, coconut oil, etc)  Extra virgin coconut oil is also good for killing yeast and I believe it's safe for infants as well.  Cod Liver Oil is a very good supplement for omega 3's which is the type of fatty acid you need.  

Drink lots and lots and lots of water and if the die-off is coming too fast for you and baby to handle, then eat some oatmeal for awhile or some whole grain toast.  This will slow the detox down a bit.  I just wrote a post about how to monitor your carbs and sugars to help with candida.  CLICK HERE.   (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg14940.html#msg14940)

Here's the thread on Leaky Gut (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.0.html) which will give you a run down of symptoms and dietary helps.
Here's another thread on treating candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html) without yeast killing supplements.

For your baby's skin, read this post on detergents (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,429.msg104.html#msg104).  His skin is most likely related to candida, but detergents could be a contributing factor as well.
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: quiverfilling August 14, 2006, 02:47:45 AM
Thanks to everyone who replied so far...I'm at least feeling like I'm on the right track....QUestion:  WHat is the Water Cure?  Is there a link or something someone could post for such thing?  I drink about 150 oz. of water a day, sometimes with lemon (if I put lemon in it too often, I get sores in my mouth), so if the water cure is something more than drinking a lot of water, let me know. THAnks.  And if anyone else has anything to add to my dilemma, please let me know. Thanks for all the old links, healthybratt...that's been helpful.  Hopefully, I'll have time to read them soon. 
God bless everyone!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: KatieMac August 14, 2006, 03:05:39 AM
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,369.0.html
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: Caroline August 14, 2006, 03:46:32 AM
I also have thrush, and am nursing a 10 month boy. I was taking the TT and while it helped my bowels a lot, I got thrush while taking it!  I still love the product, and will continue to take it, but it must not have been strong enough for me.  I ordered something called threelac, and so far I am very pleased with it.  You can buy it off of ebay cheaper, if you email the person that sells it on ebay, she will sell it to you for $50.00 as compared to $65.00.  Hope that helps. Hang in there!  One thing I always think when I feel terrible about not having the best milk supply possible is, it is always better than formula. At least I think so!
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: healthybratt August 14, 2006, 05:40:45 AM
I also have thrush, and am nursing a 10 month boy. I was taking the TT and while it helped my bowels a lot, I got thrush while taking it!  I still love the product, and will continue to take it, but it must not have been strong enough for me.  I ordered something called threelac, and so far I am very pleased with it.  You can buy it off of ebay cheaper, if you email the person that sells it on ebay, she will sell it to you for $50.00 as compared to $65.00.  Hope that helps. Hang in there!  One thing I always think when I feel terrible about not having the best milk supply possible is, it is always better than formula. At least I think so!

You may have had a slight case of thrush all along.  Sometimes when you start killing candida you get what appear to be new infections, rashes, itches, and other symptoms.  This is a reaction called die-off which happens when the yeast begins to decay.
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: ForeverGirl August 14, 2006, 05:43:05 AM
Great maternity patterns in your online store, Caroline!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 15, 2006, 10:36:51 AM
Take the Yeast Test (http://yeastconnection.com/yeast.html#questionaire)
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: maideninwaiting October 08, 2006, 12:08:43 PM
After reading the symptom list for Candida/LGS, I see that I have about half of them. This is my question:

Even though I don't know for sure, can I still take Yeast Assassin , Tummy Tune-up along with my "NOW 2-Superfoods multi vitamin" and daily dose of Vitex? Will all these mixed together be alright? Also, on the TT and YA- do you take them all the time or only for a certain amount of days at a time or what??

About sugars and grains with LGS- I do eat fresh ground grains in homemade bread, brown rice, fresh ground corn meal, etc. Are even these "good" grains bad for me if I have Candida/LGS? And as far as sugar, I am trying to cut the refined as much as possible, but what about honey, sorgham, succanut, cane juice crystals? Are these still bad? I don't eat a lot of them, just in breads, healthy desserts, smoothies, etc.
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: Laalex2 October 08, 2006, 12:58:43 PM
I've had yeast for many years and the diet helped some...and I was very strict but what has really helped me is Grapefruit Seed Extract.  You can get it at any health food store.  It's very bitter but you take 10 drops in water 3 times a day before meals and it has helped me tremendously.  Studies have proven it's very effective against yeast and parasites, particularly giardia.
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: healthybratt October 08, 2006, 05:05:17 PM
Even though I don't know for sure, can I still take Yeast Assassin , Tummy Tune-up along with my "NOW 2-Superfoods multi vitamin" and daily dose of Vitex? Will all these mixed together be alright? Also, on the TT and YA- do you take them all the time or only for a certain amount of days at a time or what??
I'm not familiar with your vitamin, but as far as I know there are no problems mixing TT or YA with any other supplements.

About sugars and grains with LGS- I do eat fresh ground grains in homemade bread, brown rice, fresh ground corn meal, etc. Are even these "good" grains bad for me if I have Candida/LGS? And as far as sugar, I am trying to cut the refined as much as possible, but what about honey, sorgham, succanut, cane juice crystals? Are these still bad? I don't eat a lot of them, just in breads, healthy desserts, smoothies, etc.
These choices are great if you're not fighting yeast.  But when fighting candida, sugar is sugar.  All sugars feed yeast, even the healthy ones. 
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: 4myhoonie October 18, 2006, 09:43:27 AM
Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem? 

I got rid of all my family's yeast problems with this product...
www.stopyeast.com

i am interested in hearing more about your experience with this.  i have 5 kids, who all have some symptoms of yeast.  how many children did you use it with?  did you use both of the recommended products?  how long did they have to take it?  i have it and i think my hubby too, though he won't believe me  ::)  will just let him figure it out on his own!  anyway, i would like to know also, did you discontinue all sugars including bread, pasta, etc. and for how long?  or did you just let them eat normally and give them the threelac? 
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: boysmama October 22, 2006, 06:51:23 AM
I am just wondering about consuming honey while dealing with yeast overgrowth. If honey is antifungal and antibacterial in its raw state wouldn't it be healthy to use moderate amounts even while trying to "starve" the candida?
I have been treating candida overgrowth for most of this year. I did eliminate all sugar and molasses for awhile but still used small amounts of honey and maple syrup. I just didn't have flare ups with the honey like I did with evaporated cane juice and succanat. Does anyone know if raw honey is actually beneficial in a treatment plan?
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: healthybratt October 22, 2006, 06:57:14 AM
I am just wondering about consuming honey while dealing with yeast overgrowth. If honey is antifungal and antibacterial in its raw state wouldn't it be healthy to use moderate amounts even while trying to "starve" the candida?
I have been treating candida overgrowth for most of this year. I did eliminate all sugar and molasses for awhile but still used small amounts of honey and maple syrup. I just didn't have flare ups with the honey like I did with evaporated cane juice and succanat. Does anyone know if raw honey is actually beneficial in a treatment plan?
I would say, only if you're eating it raw.  If you heat it, bake with it, cook it or put it in your hot tea then I would avoid it whenever possible.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie October 28, 2006, 07:40:09 PM
Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem? 

I got rid of all my family's yeast problems with this product...
www.stopyeast.com

i am interested in hearing more about your experience with this.  i have 5 kids, who all have some symptoms of yeast.  how many children did you use it with?  did you use both of the recommended products?  how long did they have to take it?  i have it and i think my hubby too, though he won't believe me  ::)  will just let him figure it out on his own!  anyway, i would like to know also, did you discontinue all sugars including bread, pasta, etc. and for how long?  or did you just let them eat normally and give them the threelac? 

bumpity bumpity bump  :D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: aleviola November 07, 2006, 06:05:39 PM
Hello,
I am also on my journey to healing from Candida.  I purchased my first yeast assassin 2 months ago and let me tell you, was I elated when for two days my itching was gone (I have psoriasis, rectal itching and ear itching).  I have never felt so good.  Anyway, at the time I was taking another probiotic that I had in the house.  When I finished that I started taking Tummy Tuneup, and then I started itching again.  I have to admit I've had a hard time sticking to the diet, although I don't eat refined sugar or drink soda, I have a hard time staying away from bread and pasta (I'm from Italy ;D) Anyway, I do okay during the day( no more awful mouth on fire and lay-on-the-couch-I'm-so-out-of-it after meals), but in the evening I itch from head to toe.  Sometimes taking some colloidal silver seems to help, I know it helps my psoriasis when I use it topically.  I think the TTU is a good product, I think I just got the wrong one.  However, I just ordered another probiotic (Lactobacillus Sporogenes), I've heard great things about it. It's one of the ones in Threelac.  The guy at the place where I bought it is very helpful,  he is very big into aloe.  I might introduce that next.  I'm doing so many things right now: YA, Probiotic, milk thistle (for the liver), enzymes and bee immune.  If anyone wants the information just let me know.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes.  Incidentally after being sick twice last month on the days I didn't eat there was no itching whatsoever.  I'm going to give this new probiotic a try and if it doesn't work, I'll corner my doctor for some Nystatin.  Somebody mentioned kefir that had sugar, I'm getting ready to get some live kefir grains and make my own.  I have more info on that if anyone wants.

So long!

aleviola
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 07, 2006, 08:55:55 PM
Aleviola,

Is it possible you might be allergic to the milk thistle?  It's a relative of ragweed and a very common allergy.  It's probably die-off from the candida, but if it lasts longer than a few days while on a strict no-sugar diet, you might have another problem.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama November 08, 2006, 11:46:27 AM
Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem? 

I got rid of all my family's yeast problems with this product...
www.stopyeast.com

i am interested in hearing more about your experience with this.  i have 5 kids, who all have some symptoms of yeast.  how many children did you use it with?  did you use both of the recommended products?  how long did they have to take it?  i have it and i think my hubby too, though he won't believe me  ::)  will just let him figure it out on his own!  anyway, i would like to know also, did you discontinue all sugars including bread, pasta, etc. and for how long?  or did you just let them eat normally and give them the threelac? 
When we used threelac we just let the toddlers eat normally. We didn't have sweets in the house for a week or two and maybe a little less fruit and grains since I cut those out.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Charity November 08, 2006, 01:07:36 PM
So here is a question for all you candida experts out there... My three year old has had this rash on his arms since he was one (my 2 yr. old got it at the same time too). They both had about three or four ear infections before they were one and were on antibiotics for them. We struggled with yeast infections all the time also. Our doctor said the rash was just a form of eczema and since it doesn't itch he didn't want to do anything for it. I have been playing around with their diet a little thinking it may be allergy related. But I started giving them about half a capslul of acidophilus with meals for the past week. The rash seems to be worse, could this be yeast related or maybe just the cooler weather?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 09, 2006, 05:09:16 AM
So here is a question for all you candida experts out there... My three year old has had this rash on his arms since he was one (my 2 yr. old got it at the same time too). They both had about three or four ear infections before they were one and were on antibiotics for them. We struggled with yeast infections all the time also. Our doctor said the rash was just a form of eczema and since it doesn't itch he didn't want to do anything for it. I have been playing around with their diet a little thinking it may be allergy related. But I started giving them about half a capslul of acidophilus with meals for the past week. The rash seems to be worse, could this be yeast related or maybe just the cooler weather?
It may be die-off.  This is where the condition appears to worsen before it gets better.  Research shows that most cases of exzema are related to yeast overgrowth and food intolerances caused by yeast overgrowth and/or leaky gut syndrome.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock November 09, 2006, 05:31:14 AM
We got rid of my daughter's eczema by making sure she got more vitamin A. I had read that sometimes it's caused by a vitamin A defeciency, and since it worked for her I guess, in her case, it was.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Charity November 09, 2006, 06:21:36 AM
HB, if there is a problem with leaky gut... how would I know, and what would I do for the young ones in my life?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 09, 2006, 09:11:36 AM
HB, if there is a problem with leaky gut... how would I know, and what would I do for the young ones in my life?
Read this link for starters.  Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Charity November 09, 2006, 10:19:05 AM
From reading this and the other links on this thread, I don't know where to start as far as our diet is concerned. If we take out wheat, nuts, fruit, and cheese I don't know what we would eat. What do we substitute for these and how necessary is it and safe for my children? Also... what foods are high in vitamin A?  :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 09, 2006, 06:34:51 PM
From reading this and the other links on this thread, I don't know where to start as far as our diet is concerned. If we take out wheat, nuts, fruit, and cheese I don't know what we would eat. What do we substitute for these and how necessary is it and safe for my children? Also... what foods are high in vitamin A?  :)

I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

Pay particular attention to number 1 and look at the related links. 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Jardin de papillon November 14, 2006, 04:26:12 AM
Dear BeeyoutifulGirl,

I am new to this chat and posting stuff but I wanted to ask you some questions about treating yeast.  I do believe I hve symptoms of yeast overgrowth and was interested in the anti-yeast pack on Beeyoutiful.com but I don't know how long I should take them.  There is one Yeast assassin in the pack and the website says to take 4 a day so that would last about 22 days.  There are 2 Acidophilus Blast - TT6 so at 4 a day, that would last 2 months.  There is one Tummy Tuneup8 - Original Blend and at 3 a day, that would last about 20 days.  Is 20 days enough for treatment?  Should I get 2 more Yeast assassin and Tummy Tuneup8 - original blends and take the whole regiment for about 2 months?  Is there a danger in taking Yeast Assassin for too long?

Also, after the "treatment" phase is done, I want to take a daily probiotic.  I read what was on the Beeyoutiful.com website about the difference between the 3 products.  I don't commonly use active culture sugar-free yogurt or kefir so Acidophiphilus blast may be what I need.  Yet I cannot get farm fresh vegetables and fruits either so I may need Ultimate Defense also.  When you say active culture sugar-free yogurt, do you mean the plain yogurt I can buy in the grocery store?  I would be willing to eat that on a daily basis and get the Ultimate Defense if you thought that would be good.

And one more question (I am sorry to be so chatty my first time on), if I do go with Ultimate Defense, do I need to keep taking Spirulina since they both have "greens" in them?

Thank you so much for your help.

Jardin de papillon


: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: ForeverGirl November 14, 2006, 07:36:05 AM
Dear BeeyoutifulGirl,

I am new to this chat and posting stuff but I wanted to ask you some questions about treating yeast.  I do believe I hve symptoms of yeast overgrowth and was interested in the anti-yeast pack on Beeyoutiful.com but I don't know how long I should take them.  There is one Yeast assassin in the pack and the website says to take 4 a day so that would last about 22 days.  There are 2 Acidophilus Blast - TT6 so at 4 a day, that would last 2 months.  There is one Tummy Tuneup8 - Original Blend and at 3 a day, that would last about 20 days.  Is 20 days enough for treatment?  Should I get 2 more Yeast assassin and Tummy Tuneup8 - original blends and take the whole regiment for about 2 months?  Is there a danger in taking Yeast Assassin for too long?

Also, after the "treatment" phase is done, I want to take a daily probiotic.  I read what was on the Beeyoutiful.com website about the difference between the 3 products.  I don't commonly use active culture sugar-free yogurt or kefir so Acidophiphilus blast may be what I need.  Yet I cannot get farm fresh vegetables and fruits either so I may need Ultimate Defense also.  When you say active culture sugar-free yogurt, do you mean the plain yogurt I can buy in the grocery store?  I would be willing to eat that on a daily basis and get the Ultimate Defense if you thought that would be good.

And one more question (I am sorry to be so chatty my first time on), if I do go with Ultimate Defense, do I need to keep taking Spirulina since they both have "greens" in them?

Thank you so much for your help.

Jardin de papillon

How long you do the yeast treatment really depends on your condition, and your persistence with diet. If you have severe overgrowth symptoms, you may need a six month treatment. If you don't have symptoms like Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Vaginal infections, Eczema... but just suspect yourself of being too yeasty - then the 20 day treatment is sufficient.

Going off of sugar and yeast products will speed up the cleansing process and give you more success at ridding your body of Candida. There is a lot of good diet information in the various Candida threads on this forum. I suggest searching "Candida" and "Yeast" and reading through this information, as it really covers every possible question.

Yeast Assassin is all natural ingredients. You should be able to take it for at least 6 months- 1 year without side effects if taken according to directions.

Acidophilus Blast is a good daily probiotic. This is what I use, along with drinking kefir smoothies, and kombucha tea.

Yes, plain yogurt at the grocery store would be a good addition to your diet. In my opinion, you can add unsweetened fruit and some natural honey to it to make it more palatable.

The greens in Ultimate Defense are fermented. They are designed to be "food" for the natural bacteria your stomach needs to maintain a healthy environment. In severe Yeast overgrowth the walls of the intestine are breached, as the mycelial yeast "eats" it's way out of the GI tract. This results in Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Leaky Gut. In this situation, you not only need to kill the mycelial yeast, you need to heal the gut and establish colonies of healthy bacteria to defend the gut while it heals. This is where Ultimate Defense is useful. It provides both the good bacteria, and the food they need to help them colonize.
(That was an unscientific description, but as close as I can clearly describe what goes on...)

So Spirulina is a good superfood and detox supplement, but it does not replace the fermented greens in Ultimate Defense. Depending on your condition, you may or may not need Ultimate Defense. TTup Original Blend and Acidophilus Blast may be enough for you.

Hope this helps you on the road to being healthy!

God bless,
Rebekah

 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Gabriel November 19, 2006, 03:01:39 AM
I don't know if it will help or not but we tried Threelac.  I think it has helped. Our son has been able to stop many of the medicines he took for allergies.  He is having a flare up but that is due to cold weather and our eating right now.  I just thought that I would mention Threelac because my dr's didn't want to give us Nystatin either. Diflucan was available but it didn't help much. Plus it is horrible for the liver. 

I would suggest trying Threelac at least for a little bit. It's $65 for a 60 count box.  We buy from New Life Vitamins. The lady there was really helpful with all the questions we had about it. 

Hope this helps.

Gabriel
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 19, 2006, 05:40:47 AM
I just thought that I would mention Threelac because my dr's didn't want to give us Nystatin either. Diflucan was available but it didn't help much.
Funny, I asked my doc for some Nystatin about a year ago.  He wouldn't give it to me.  He gave me Lamisil instead.  The Lamisil gave me a nice jump start, but didn't finish the job.  He only gave me enough for 14 days and it cost $150.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 25, 2006, 05:02:40 AM
Hello Everyone,

I haven't written in a while but in my journey to health I've encountered some issues that I'd like to throw in here and see if anybody has input or answers.

I've been doing Yeast Assassin for a couple of months, I have not been able to do the diet very well, although I stay away from white flour and sugar as much as possible.

I have been throwing everything I know of at the candida.  Here is what I'm taking:

Yeast assassin

Bee Propolis

Olive leaf extract

Digestive enzymes

Lactobacillus Sporogenes (it's not a resident bacteria though it does a good job cleaning up)

SuperMom

I've been making kefir to replenish the flora in my gut instead of taking more pills.  

Here's what's happening every night at about 6 I start itching. It often stops between 9 and 10 but sometimes it lasts longer.  I don't know if it's detoxing or if the candida is  trying to take over again.  Should I just buy some probiotics and stop the kefir?  I've heard conflicting ideas on this.  Am I taking to many things?  I'm just trying really hard to get rid of the stuff.  I did it once by accident (I have no clue what happened, or how I did it), but I'm trying to replicate the result somehow.  I've heard about grapefruit seed extract, please help.  Has somebody done this before?  Would the lemon/cayenne tea help or do you have to do the whole diet thing?

Thanks!

It's strange that it happens the same time every night.  Are you sure it's not an allergy of something you're being exposed to at that time of day?

If it's detox, which is possible, I think your best bet is diet change.  You said, you're not doing well on the diet.  If you have a severe case of candida and you continue to feed it sugar, you'll have a hard time winning the battle.  At the very least, you should consider a two week sugar fast.  This diet change would also be beneficial for eliminating a food intolerance as well.

Read this link for more lengthy info on things you need to do, to treat candida.

I Think I have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Pennie November 25, 2006, 06:45:07 AM
Here's what's happening every night at about 6 I start itching. It often stops between 9 and 10 but sometimes it lasts longer.  I don't know if it's detoxing or if the candida is  trying to take over again.  Should I just buy some probiotics and stop the kefir?  I've heard conflicting ideas on this.  Am I taking to many things?  I'm just trying really hard to get rid of the stuff.  I did it once by accident (I have no clue what happened, or how I did it), but I'm trying to replicate the result somehow.  I've heard about grapefruit seed extract, please help.  Has somebody done this before?  Would the lemon/cayenne tea help or do you have to do the whole diet thing?
I just thought this was interesting.  I got married will be 12 years ago in Jan.  I started taking a BC pill probly in November b/f I got married and didn't notice anything until my wedding  night.  I broke out in hives.  I thought it was nerves but I continued to break out every night.  I can't say how long I did that and I knew nothing about health(didn't really care at the time)but I did know the only thing I had changed was the pill so I quit taking it and never broke out in hives again.  Did have a baby about nine months later.  :D :D  Anyway, so maybe if there is something subtle that has changed.  I always wondered though why I had no symptoms b/f the marriage.  ::) :P
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: happy family December 01, 2006, 11:10:49 AM
Okay, I have been reading for hours and my head is killing me.....I am trying to make an order from Beeyoutiful.com and I want to make sure I have everything straight.  For myself I am nursing and have yeast, so does the baby.  I am getting Supermom, TT8, and Yeast Assassin.  For my husband whom I suspect has Candidiasis, I am starting off with Yeast Assassin, TT12, and Superdad.  For my children whom may have yeast and other allergies I am getting TT8.  I just want to make sure all of this is safe for us (mainly me since I am nursing) and any suggestions if I left anything out.  Sorry, if this is repetitive, I keep finding tons of things that might help our situation and then losing them and spending many hours on the computer instead of taking care of the baby.....where is that kid btw?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: linemansgirl December 01, 2006, 11:15:48 AM
Okay, I have been reading for hours and my head is killing me.....I am trying to make an order from Beeyoutiful.com and I want to make sure I have everything straight.  For myself I am nursing and have yeast, so does the baby.  I am getting Supermom, TT8, and Yeast Assassin.   I just want to make sure all of this is safe for us (mainly me since I am nursing) and any suggestions if I left anything out. 

You aren't supposed to take yeast assassin if you are nursing.  I am also nursing & have yest issues.  I have cut out sugar & used lots of garlic & coconut oil in its place till I can do something stronger.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: happy family December 01, 2006, 11:22:55 AM
So no Yeast assassin for me, but I forgot, acidolphils for me and dh.  Yeast Assassin is okay for men though, right?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 01, 2006, 12:19:04 PM
So no Yeast assassin for me, but I forgot, acidolphils for me and dh.  Yeast Assassin is okay for men though, right?
Yeast Assassin is safe for most any ages.  It is not recommended for nursing or pregnant mothers as it tends to dry up the milk supply.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: happy family December 01, 2006, 12:31:37 PM
So no Yeast assassin for me, but I forgot, acidolphils for me and dh.  Yeast Assassin is okay for men though, right?
Yeast Assassin is safe for most any ages.  It is not recommended for nursing or pregnant mothers as it tends to dry up the milk supply.
Sooooo.....I realize that I have much to do with research and changing diet, I plan to read the Makers diet book and go organic, but as far as supplements, is this a good start??  Mainly asking for my husband who is suffering the most..If you "have to start somewhere" is this a good place to start?  (talking about my last post asking about my order from beeyoutiful.com)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 01, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
So no Yeast assassin for me, but I forgot, acidolphils for me and dh.  Yeast Assassin is okay for men though, right?
Yeast Assassin is safe for most any ages.  It is not recommended for nursing or pregnant mothers as it tends to dry up the milk supply.
Sooooo.....I realize that I have much to do with research and changing diet, I plan to read the Makers diet book and go organic, but as far as supplements, is this a good start??  Mainly asking for my husband who is suffering the most..If you "have to start somewhere" is this a good place to start?  (talking about my last post asking about my order from beeyoutiful.com)
Probably a good start.  For more step by step info, read the following link.

I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: happy family December 01, 2006, 01:11:31 PM
So no Yeast assassin for me, but I forgot, acidolphils for me and dh.  Yeast Assassin is okay for men though, right?
Yeast Assassin is safe for most any ages.  It is not recommended for nursing or pregnant mothers as it tends to dry up the milk supply.
Sooooo.....I realize that I have much to do with research and changing diet, I plan to read the Makers diet book and go organic, but as far as supplements, is this a good start??  Mainly asking for my husband who is suffering the most..If you "have to start somewhere" is this a good place to start?  (talking about my last post asking about my order from beeyoutiful.com)
Probably a good start.  For more step by step info, read the following link.

I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
thank you, very helpful!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: fairflowers December 01, 2006, 03:31:26 PM
I've battled this problem myself.  Here's what helped me:

Karen Tripp's story - http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4966/index.html

Strict diet - see www.wholeapproach.com

SF722 from Thorne Research (can be purchased on the web and I notice they have something called Citriciden which is grapefruit seed extract).  10-Undecenoic Acid (derived from castor bean oil), 50mg.  I took 6 per day.  There are several sites online that sell Thorne products.

Goldenseal tea - 1/2 tsp powder per cup of water, steeped and stored in fridge.  2-3 Tblsp twice a day.  (nasty bitter stuff, but effective!)  Rotate with other anti-fungal remedies.

Raw goat milk and yogurt also helped, I'm sure.

It took me about 2 and a half months, but I got rid of my hives, itchiness, flaky skin, etc, etc.  I went through a pretty serious detox in the process (do be sure to support your liver and drink lemon water) but it was definitely worth it!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie December 20, 2006, 09:36:51 AM
hello, all!  without reading everything on here about yeast again (poor memory  ::) )  i was hoping someone could tell me what to do. 

i am taking primal defense and ramping up the dosage every few days.  i think maybe i went too fast, because i am developing a yeast inf. and trying to ward it off.  i can get rid of it i think, but if i back off the dosage a bit, and go more slowly, then am i still killing the yeast, just not as fast?  i want to keep this inf. at bay and not have to deal with it this weekend.  any suggestions? 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: cgul December 25, 2006, 04:36:49 AM
Hi,
 I'm new here and would like some help with what feels like thrush around the rectal opening.  Is there something I could put on it?  It burns.  I've been using witch hazel without much change.  Just started olive oil with garlic soaked.  I read someone used bay leaf tea.  Could you tell me how you made it?
Thanks,
cgul
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix December 29, 2006, 07:11:53 AM
This question may have already been addressed in one of the many candida-related threads, but I was wondering, for those who want to treat and/or prevent candida/yeast problems, what CAN you eat?  I've seen so much stuff about what to avoid (which seems like most of our family's diet), I have hard time figuring out what is OK to eat.  (To see that fruit & potatoes & pasta should be avoided was such a disappointment!)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 29, 2006, 07:24:42 AM
This question may have already been addressed in one of the many candida-related threads, but I was wondering, for those who want to treat and/or prevent candida/yeast problems, what CAN you eat?  I've seen so much stuff about what to avoid (which seems like most of our family's diet), I have hard time figuring out what is OK to eat.  (To see that fruit & potatoes & pasta should be avoided was such a disappointment!)

Foods to eat while taking Yeast Assassin [or fighting yeast] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix December 29, 2006, 07:45:40 AM
Thank you, HB!!!  I didn't even see that thread!   ;D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 04, 2007, 08:08:53 AM
My husband and I decided to do the whole yeast cleanse thing for the whole family. He has skin problems (dry scalp, acne, sensitive skin), allergies, asthma (he hasn't had much of a problem with this in a while). I am 36 weeks pregnant, and since about 22 weeks, have been having yeast issues. I used to very rarely get yeast infections, before this pregnancy I've only had like 2 or 3. I've also had really itchy skin all over. Lately the worst areas are my scalp and my breasts. No rashes though. My oldest son had eczema until about 2 1/2, and still has extremely dry skin. I'm pretty sure something is off in his gut area, he has smelly gas Tongue, and his bm have never been quite right. He also still wets his bed at night. He is 8. My 6 year old daughter seems to be pretty healthy. She never had eczema, although she does get weird skin rashes every once in a while. My 2 year old daughter has eczema, though until recently it wasn't all that bad. Lately it's been getting much worse, she always has rashes all over her body and scratches herself all day long. My first 2 were fully vaccinated, my 3rd got all hers until 4 months (I wised up  Wink ). I think all of them have been on antibiotics at least once (actually maybe only once for each of them, except my son, maybe 2 or 3 times for him). I've never been real big on antibiotics, and my kids never really needed them much. We eat pretty healthy right now, after changing our diets about a year ago. I bake with honey and whole wheat flour, no white sugar or flour. We don't eat processed food, except maybe every once in a great while.
Sorry about all that, I might have gone a bit overboard on that. I just didn't know what info to give. So anyway, I'm thinking we've all got some yeast issues, except mayby my 6 year old. We just ordered YA, TT, and supermoms. I know that my husband is probably the only one who can use the YA, unless maybe my son can? I know that it says not for pregnant or nursing moms or young children, is 8 too young? For me, I think I'm going to take the TT and eat lots of garlic and drink lots of water. I tried starting the yeast/sugar free diet the other day, but I think that I'm doing it all wrong. What can you eat? I bought some of that Ezekiel bread (I haven't figured out how to make my own sprouted grain bread yet). My husband has been eating egg sandwiches with the ezekiel bread for breakfast, and bringing salad (I made a dressing with olive oil, flax oil, lemon juice, vinegar, garlic, and spices) with eggs and ground flax seed on top, raw almonds, and veggies to work for lunch. Me and the kids have been eating either eggs or oatbran for breakfast. I'm putting almond milk and maple syrup on the oat bran, am I not supposed to do this either? PB and J on ezekiel bread for lunch, with fruit and veggies for lunch. My lunches are a bit different, usually leftover quinoa from the night before with steamed veggies and tuna or something like that. For dinner, I have been making pretty much the same thing, some kind of meat, quinoa with flax oil, and steamed veggies (usually broccoli and carrots). The kids have been eating fruit for snacks (oranges, apples, and pears) and I've made a couple smoothies with frozen berries, juice, and ground flaxseed. (I add yogurt to mine). Everyone is off all milk except me (being pregnant we weren't sure if it was a good idea or not). Except for the ezekiel bread, no wheat for anyone.

So, I guess my questions are these. Is my 8 year old son to young for the YA? What about milk products? I've been eating yogurt, but I can't handle plain so I've been buying the vanilla. It's organic, but it does have a little bit of maple syrup and evaporated cane juice. Do I have to take out all sugar, like the maple syrup? What about honey in our tea? Would stevia be better? Is ezekiel bread ok, or should I completely take out wheat? What about the oat bran for breakfast? Of course if we can't have maple syrup in it, I don't think my kids would touch it.  Undecided I read somewhere that you shouldn't eat eggs either? And what about the quinoa? And raw nuts? Basically, what CAN we eat?  Smiley I can't spend a ton of money on our grocery bill, and my kids don't seem to fill up on just veggies. They are used to bread and crackers. Any ideas for breakfasts and lunches for them? And snacks? I read that you aren't supposed to drink juice either, though I have been letting them have one small glass with breakfast every morning, and I put it in the smoothies. Then it's water the rest of the day. What if for smoothies, I used fresh carrot juice with the frozen berries?
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: healthybratt January 04, 2007, 08:23:40 AM
Sorry about all that, I might have gone a bit overboard on that. I just didn't know what info to give. So anyway, I'm thinking we've all got some yeast issues, except mayby my 6 year old.

I would treat for yeast and leaky gut in everyone, if it were me.  The following link lays out, step by step and includes other related threads for finding the info you need to regulate your diet and change your regimin to battle candida and heal the gut.

I Think I Have Leaky Gut and/or Candida:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

We just ordered YA, TT, and supermoms. I know that my husband is probably the only one who can use the YA, unless maybe my son can?


I don't believe that Yeast Assassin is contraindicated for an 8 year old boy.

What can you eat?

Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or yeast cleansing] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)

Do I have to take out all sugar, like the maple syrup? What about honey in our tea?

I would recommend NO SUGAR of any kind for at least 2 weeks and then incorporate them (natural healthy sugars) slowly back into your diet, starting with grains only, then eventually healthy starches, fruits, syrups, etc. Eating sugar will not ensure your failure to fight yeast, but it will slow it down considerably.


Would stevia be better?

Absolutely.  Stevia does not feed candida.

Is ezekiel bread ok, or should I completely take out wheat?

Most bread contain gluten and/or sugar (honey too) which also feeds candida.  I wouldn't eat it for at least two weeks and then add it back in first - as it's a very healthy carbohydrate food.

What about the oat bran for breakfast?

This would be a good grain to eat while cleansing (fiber is helpful) unless you're adding sweeteners of any kind.

Undecided I read somewhere that you shouldn't eat eggs either?

Nothing wrong with eggs.  These are a great food to eat while cleansing yeast.

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: kaira January 12, 2007, 10:58:12 AM
Probably a silly question, but when trying to get past yeast issues what can we eat and not eat.  I am looking for a list of things - I have read so much that my brain is kind of boggled but I definitly have yeast issues and I need to know where to go from here.  Thanks.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: kaira January 12, 2007, 11:01:12 AM
Probably a silly question, but when trying to get past yeast issues what can we eat and not eat.  I am looking for a list of things - I have read so much that my brain is kind of boggled but I definitly have yeast issues and I need to know where to go from here.  Thanks.
i'm a idiot... i just read the post prior to mine. 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama January 13, 2007, 05:53:27 PM
I'm choosing this thread for this post, but if it fits better elsewhere PLEASE move it HB ;D
I have been treating for yeast overgrowth for a long while now. I first tried diet, then added threelac, and finally garlic, grapefruit seed extract, tummytuneup, and yeast assasin. To say the least I got discouraged when each time there was only a slight gain. Symptoms would improve only to reappear within a short time which meant I had to go through die-off reactions over and over again.  :'( There was a slight improvement each time but not enough to feel victorious  ::). Well....enter the research of amalgam fillings and the whole mercury issue. I got my amalgam fillings out in SEPT and then did several types of cleanses and a 3 week YA, TT, GSE, and garlic binge ;) that did it!!!!! Did another YA treatment and no die-off. :-* I do not have any yeast overgrowth symptoms and am in the middle of doing the master cleanse w/ no die-off reaction :-* and manageable detox.
I am so happy and thought it might be useful for someone else to know that there seems to be a definite connection between mercury toxicity and yeast overgrowth.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 14, 2007, 05:33:49 AM
I am so happy and thought it might be useful for someone else to know that there seems to be a definite connection between mercury toxicity and yeast overgrowth.
Thank you for posting your experience on this.  Candida, Leaky Gut and heavy metal poisoning DO all go hand in hand.  Here's a couple of articles I've posted throughout, but I'll add them here for easy referal.

Leaky Gut Syndrome:  Does it explain why Candida won't go away. (http://healthychristianliving.com/leaky_gut_syndrome.htm)

Generation Rescue on Mercury Poisoning (http://www.generationrescue.org/studies.html)

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie January 14, 2007, 07:34:01 AM
I am so happy and thought it might be useful for someone else to know that there seems to be a definite connection between mercury toxicity and yeast overgrowth.
Thank you for posting your experience on this.  Candida, Leaky Gut and heavy metal poisoning DO all go hand in hand.  Here's a couple of articles I've posted throughout, but I'll add them here for easy referal.

Leaky Gut Syndrome:  Does it explain why Candida won't go away. (http://healthychristianliving.com/leaky_gut_syndrome.htm)

Generation Rescue on Mercury Poisoning (http://www.generationrescue.org/studies.html)



hi HB, thanks for posting this.  i am now convinced that my whole family has one or both of these.   actually i have one child who seems to have escaped it.  anyway, thanks for the info.  i think..... :-\ 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie January 15, 2007, 04:55:48 AM
I'm choosing this thread for this post, but if it fits better elsewhere PLEASE move it HB ;D
I have been treating for yeast overgrowth for a long while now. I first tried diet, then added threelac, and finally garlic, grapefruit seed extract, tummytuneup, and yeast assasin. To say the least I got discouraged when each time there was only a slight gain. Symptoms would improve only to reappear within a short time which meant I had to go through die-off reactions over and over again.  :'( There was a slight improvement each time but not enough to feel victorious  ::). Well....enter the research of amalgam fillings and the whole mercury issue. I got my amalgam fillings out in SEPT and then did several types of cleanses and a 3 week YA, TT, GSE, and garlic binge ;) that did it!!!!! Did another YA treatment and no die-off. :-* I do not have any yeast overgrowth symptoms and am in the middle of doing the master cleanse w/ no die-off reaction :-* and manageable detox.
I am so happy and thought it might be useful for someone else to know that there seems to be a definite connection between mercury toxicity and yeast overgrowth.

thank you also, for posting your experience.  i have a bunch of amalgam fillings that i guess i need to find someone to remove.  is it really expensive and did your insurance cover it? 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 15, 2007, 05:13:46 AM
is it really expensive and did your insurance cover it? 
Fortunately, I've always had sensitivity to any metal in my mouth, so I have all porcelain or white composite fillings, and therefore, no experience to offer, but many other's have posted their experience with dentists, insurance and help groups at this thread.

Mercury/Amalgam Fillings (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1966.0.html).
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: mommie January 15, 2007, 01:29:15 PM
so does th saiva tes work for diagnosing candida
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Maria/NHM February 15, 2007, 02:21:05 PM
Has anyone been successful in treating their yeast without YA? I'm taking TT drinking Kefir and on the Makers diet. I have just started Kombucha but isn't quite done .I'm fermenting lots of veggies. I also take a green drink daily (YUCK ;)) I tried to move past phase one of the Makers diet and immediately started to have tummy troubles again. I'm also doing liver cleanses for my galbladder attacks. I haven't been getting any relief with the last few cleanses so I am taking Gold Coin Grass to help soften the stones before trying another liver cleanse. I guess I'm starting to get a little discouraged with my lack of progress. I'm always nursing or pregnant so YA is out of the question. Any success stories to cheer me on :)
Maria
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt February 16, 2007, 04:38:31 AM
Has anyone been successful in treating their yeast without YA? ...I'm always nursing or pregnant so YA is out of the question. Any success stories to cheer me on :)
Maria

Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mama Sita February 22, 2007, 03:02:50 AM
Just had a disappointing call with my son's doctor.  He says he has never known anyone to improve from the GFCF diet on the autism spectrum and highly doubts there is a yeast problem - therefore will not give me Nystatin.  Now what?  What else can I give him to take care of the yeast problem?  I don't believe him about the diet, I have read way too much info to believe it cannot help.  It's at least worth the effort!  Why are doctors like this?  It's soooo frustrating!  Ugh!  There's got to be a way to help him even if his doctor won't help the process...

Abbilynn,
Can you go see another doctor? Sometimes (usually most times) you have to be REALLY persistent to get your point across....

We have used ThreeLac successfully with our kids to treat their yeast problems. However, we can't afford to stay on it long term, so usually one or two boxes is all that we can afford. However, it does work!

Just a thought~
MS
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: BJ_BOBBI_JO February 26, 2007, 04:00:13 PM
Here is a link for a candida food chart. It also has a lot of info on candida.

You have to scroll down a ways on the page before you see the food chart.

Its even saying herbal teas can contain molds.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/BJ_BOBBI_JO9/Food%20and%20eating%20related/siptea.gif)


I guess to get rid of this candida im going to have to live on only lettuce. LOL. I recently upped my candida fighting oragano pills. Im having headaches and want to barf right now. I rarely get any kind of head pains so Im wondering if its from the yeast dying off? I know when it dies off it can cause uncomfortable syptoms at first. I googled it but could not find a list of syptoms caused by yeast dying off.

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/BJ_BOBBI_JO9/Food%20and%20eating%20related/7_4_5.gif)

Here is the link:

http://intelegen.com/nutrients/candida_yeast_protection_program2.htm



: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T February 27, 2007, 04:46:33 AM
Great!  All the things I eat are on the do not eat list!  I guess that's why I think I have candida.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz March 28, 2007, 10:17:20 AM
So if I had candida wouldn't I have a yeast inf. all the time?  Is it that you have too much yeast, or not enough?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 29, 2007, 08:50:54 AM
So if I had candida wouldn't I have a yeast inf. all the time? 
Not necessarily.  It's a yeast, an organism and just like any other organism that causes illness, it depends on the source of the infection, what symptoms you have.  Some people can be exposed to the same germ and get the sniffles, while yet another will get a sore throat and still another may get bronchitis or an ear infection.  Symptoms of candida can include, but are not limited to,

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz March 30, 2007, 07:17:31 AM
Ok, well I actually have had a reoccuring yeast infection for the past couple of weeks.  I used the over the counter stuff, but its back again.  I don't want to keep treating it.  I would like to get rid of it, and I figure it can't be good to keep using the medicine.  I have to think that is going to cause me some problems. Any suggestions for that?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 30, 2007, 09:51:47 AM
Any suggestions for that?
Treat the whole body for candida.  Read back through this thread on how to do that.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz March 30, 2007, 10:18:39 AM
I was going to do that but I am nursing.  I wasn't sure how my baby would react to that, or if I could stand having a yeast inf. for that long.  I wanted to just stop eating the white sugar and flour, until I am done nursing him.  Reading through all the material on this page led me to believe that that would help but not solve the problem.  I was looking at the lemonade fast as well, but again I am not sure what to do while nursing.  I did a cleanse a couple months ago and my baby was sick for days.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz March 30, 2007, 12:32:40 PM
I have read most of the info on this page but I never remember taking many antibiotics in my life.  So I am not sure about that.  But all of the info is so overwhelming I almost wish I had not stumbled onto it.  So HELP! anyone that can make sense of all this.  And maybe hold my hand and give me some experienced advice.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T March 30, 2007, 02:42:30 PM
OK iluvmyboyz,  I'm am a veteran candida sufferer and you need to get off ALL sugar and any white flour or other bleached things and try to highly limit your 'fruits that turn into sweets' intake.  I finally got some relief after taking YA and TT and watching EVERYTHING I eat.  I can now eat some sweets in moderation but you will need probiotics with everything until you are completely in the clear.  I have to take an antibiotic every time I see my dentist now (mitro valve prolapse) or they won't even touch me so I have to prepare for that six months in advance which means eat carefully always!  I did a water cleanse which you could do while nursing...3 full glasses of water 1 hr before each meal  for 2 weeks.  Eat your full meals as usual.  It really helped me purge some of the stuff from my system.  I'm going to do a liver cleanse soon but not the Master Cleanse for fear the maple syrup will throw me back into the whole cycle again.  I'm hoping once I get all the antibiotic residue out of my system I can eat sweets in moderation without having to always take a probiotic.  I saw the dentist in Dec. and this is the first month since then that I haven't had at least a tingle of a yeast infection come on at that time of the month.  I'm hoping that when I do the liver cleanse, the old antibiotics won't be 'clinging' to my liver any more and so the cycle won't start back up in July when I go back to the dentist.  Does that help you at all?  Ask me specific questions if I can help you further.  Also, the antibiotics aren't the only way to get the candida started.  You can just be more sensitive or have a terribly sweet tooth but no matter how it got there, it needs to get out!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz March 31, 2007, 08:52:26 PM
Ok, so start with the water.  I can do that.  And yes I do have a sweet tooth, and have taken two antibiotics in the last two years so that may have added to it.  Which one of these books do you recomend for telling me which foods, and fruits, are not the best.  There are several recomendations on this thread, but I will only be able to get one so I need to make it good.  I am really overwhelmed with all of this info., so I apologize if I seem a little needy. LOL  But I almost do wish that I hadn't stumbled on this and could just be ignorant.  My family (not my married family) get really annoyed with this kind of stuff.  You should have seen how they reacted when I started getting me and my son off of trans fat. :) LOL  Like I was trying to take everything fun away from him.   But oh well it has to be done I guess.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T April 01, 2007, 08:18:55 AM
Just use your common sense (we should change that term since it's not so 'common' any more!) and think of the fruits you need to limit...grapes, apples, melons, really most fruit turns into sugar in your system but they are far better than cookies or candy so limit them instead of eliminating them (you need SOMETHING sweet, right?).  Anyway, stay away from them a few days or even while you do the water cleansing, it's hard, but take some acidophiles if you have to eat them.  Just stay completely away from sugar and white and bleached things and you might want to stay away from yeast.  Once you remove the bad flora and replace it with good flora, you can eat these things (for me, anyway) in great moderation.  I wouldn't think you would need any book to tell you what to do.  It's pretty straight forward.  Most of the info you need is on this site or you can research the net (carefully).  What you put in stays in some way or another so put good stuff in.  Remember that 'yeast permeates the whole loaf' and so if you give your insides a dose of sugar or yeast,  you just morphed a whole party in there!   If there is no party in progress, you're not feeding anything.  It would seem to me, though, that if you have ever had a candida party going on, it's that much easier to get a new one going on short notice.  It seems a bit like sin, doesn't it?  Must be why I have such an easy time paralleling it!

My family thinks I'm a freak now, too.  'Why can't they have it?  It doesn't have any sugar in it, it's just Nutrasweet.'  I even hear 'it's made from sugar, what's wrong with you?' and 'It won't kill them to have a few pieces of candy or some chips.' (Ooo, I'm beginning to see why I have a sweet tooth!)  They are starting to listen to some of my advice but when your mom is a diabetic and loves sweets, she gets sold on the world's substitute.  I'd love to have them do a liver cleanse and see how much better they feel.  You're doing the right thing by taking care of yourself and changing the downward spiral in your family.  Don't be overwhelmed by the information you are reading on welltellme.  It's good stuff, just chose carefully what is right for you to do and in what order.  Take it slow so you stick with it when it comes to your family's diet.  My family is not even noticing some of the latest changes because there 'programing' is changing.  There is way more fun stuff out there than trans fat!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 01, 2007, 11:48:39 AM
Ok, so start with the water.  I can do that.  And yes I do have a sweet tooth, and have taken two antibiotics in the last two years so that may have added to it.  Which one of these books do you recomend for telling me which foods, and fruits, are not the best.  There are several recomendations on this thread, but I will only be able to get one so I need to make it good.  I am really overwhelmed with all of this info., so I apologize if I seem a little needy. LOL  But I almost do wish that I hadn't stumbled on this and could just be ignorant.  My family (not my married family) get really annoyed with this kind of stuff.  You should have seen how they reacted when I started getting me and my son off of trans fat. :) LOL  Like I was trying to take everything fun away from him.   But oh well it has to be done I guess.


Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: maideninwaiting April 01, 2007, 12:08:26 PM
Has anyone ever tried Three-lac for Candida? If so, could you please tell me how it worked for you? If you'd rather PM me, that is fine as well. I've read its a good product and would like to hear from those who may have tried it.
Thanks.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock April 01, 2007, 12:26:17 PM
My mom said that "way back when" her old-fashioned family doctor used to have her douche with baking soda for yeast infections. Has anyone ever heard of this? I tried baking soda on a really bad yeast rash once and it seemed to make it worse (die off?).

WR
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz April 01, 2007, 03:45:10 PM
Thank You   :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 03, 2007, 04:57:38 AM
Has anyone ever tried Three-lac for Candida? If so, could you please tell me how it worked for you? If you'd rather PM me, that is fine as well. I've read its a good product and would like to hear from those who may have tried it.
Thanks.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3261.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,935.0.html)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T April 10, 2007, 06:22:41 AM
Just an interesting tidbit I found...www.newlifevitamins.com has Three-lac for sale and gave an easy test to see if you have candida...work up some saliva before you have put anything in your mouth first thing in the morning and spit it into a glass of water.  If it turns stringy or cloudy or has 'spots' and sinks to the bottom within an hour, you have a problem.  If it still floats after an hour, everything is under control.  This was under 'How do I know if I have candida' after you go to the FAQ's about Three-lac.  Sorry I'm too computer illiterate to know how to give you the exact address!  It may be worth a shot to try it.  I think I will in the morning!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 11, 2007, 06:32:26 AM
Hi Healthy Bratt,

Can you point me in the right direction?

My husband has been dealing with Candida issues for the last 10 to 15 years (and he is only 27!! :().  He has done all sorts of research, tried the recommended diets, tried ThreeLace, ReLiv (recommended cure-alls).  He has been taking Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-up for almost a year now and the only thing it seems to do is keep his yeast at bay.

Is there a cleanse you can recommend?  We are more than willing to spend money - if it is working.  But if it isn't working, we don't want to waste our time.

His diet at this time (due to allergies - he had Salmonella, Appendicitis and Pneumonia all within a year and a half of each other) is limited.  He cannot have red meat, citrus, gluten, or potatoes (reg. or sweet).  He stays away from sugar, and the only thing he could really take out of his diet are yogurt and cheese. 

Any thoughts or threads that will lead to a cure?  Are we wasting our time trying to find a cure?

Thank you for your time.
Rebekah Larson

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 11, 2007, 06:53:50 AM
Any thoughts or threads that will lead to a cure?  Are we wasting our time trying to find a cure?

Thank you for your time.
Rebekah Larson

The Big Confusion

Leaky gut causes many of the severe symptoms of Candida. Removing Candida can often help Leaky Gut; removing Candida often does not heal the Leaky Gut unto itself. After Candida is gone, Leaky Gut is still there and so are the Leaky Gut symptoms. So the person thinks he has Candida. They are right to think it is still Candida because the Candida caused the Leaky Gut and its symptoms in the first place. But After the Candida is gone the Leaky Gut remains so the person still thinks that Candida is there. Well it’s not! And if the person and the Doctor continue to treat the Candida they get no improvement because what they should be treating is the Leaky Gut!

The above quote is what came to mind after I read your note.  Here's the link to the article.

LEAKY GUT SYNDROME
Does it Explain Why Your Candida won’t go away? (http://healthychristianliving.com/leaky_gut_syndrome.htm)

I wrote a thread about successful steps that I have used to heal my body from this condition.

That thread is here.

 I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut: What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)

One more thing.  I eliminated all SLS products from my home prior to treating for yeast or even before I knew what candida was, but I believe that by eliminating these products, I actually made my battle against yeast and leaky gut an easier one.  After much research, I've come to the conclusion that SLS can create many symptoms of it's own and can also exacerbate existing candida symptoms and clog the liver and cause a condition known as estrogen dominance which is a whole other ball of wax.  Here's a couple of threads on SLS and removing it from your regimen.

Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,322.0.html)
Your Shampoo Might Be Your Problem: Going "No Poo" (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,429.0.html)
Homemade Laundry Soap (Detergent Free) (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,786.new.html#new)
Homemade Toothpaste & Other Dental Products (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3787.0.html)
Toothpaste & Dental Care (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3785.0.html)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: its_me518 April 12, 2007, 03:15:52 PM
Hi. I have been searching for days now... and I am getting more and more confused. Could someone please help me out? ??? My husband and I have some weird (health) things going on. He has extremly dry lips and some other parts of the body. This dryness all started at the same time. We can't link it to anything. I am really irritably and have a hard time losing weight. I don't know what to list, but we did the yeast test to see if maybe we have a yeast problem.... It doesn't look like we do. I think we might have some yeast, but not too much.... So here is my question.... what should we do to clean up the yeast that we might have? I've read about the Yeast Assasin.... We started taking tummy tune up (about 1 a day)..... What should we do to clean it up and keep it clean and healthy?? Please help my understand this! Thanx
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 12, 2007, 04:47:56 PM
Ok, wow.  Great info, Healthybratt.  Bloating? yes.  Rediculous hormone fluxes?  Yep.  Addiction to milk and wheat (the protiens acting as opiates in my bloodstream)?  Yes.  Leaky gut?  For sure.  Candida?  Working on it (yeast assasin).  Alcohol irritating the condition- explains my adverse reactions to kefir (containing tiny amounts of alcohol that should not be effecting me).  Depression, anxiety, obsessive thoughts, outbursts of anger?  You bet.  I've decided that I am actually autistic spectrum.  My poor parents and husband :'(.

This means I should not have yogurt, and just take pill probiotics, right?  How can I find non- SLS dish soap?  Will using gloves be enough? 

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO HEAL MY GUT?

This is all so disheartening.  I'm doing the mastercleanse now, and after a bout of extreme weakness, foggy brain, and anger, I realized "duh, I shouldn't be using maple syrup."  It is so hard to think that I can't give my dd (who is covered and filled up with yeast right now) raw milk, knowing how good it could be for her if we didn't have this problem. 

And who can afford the diet?  My husband is already annoyed with me trying all these different things.  He worries that I'm obsessed with "health food" but I just can't keep living like this.  And looking at my daughter, seeing the same autistic spectrum symptoms I had and still somewhat see in myslef.  It's like the yeast is in our brains and nervous systems or something.  Maybe it really is.  I need that "Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism" book.

Is it really bad to give kids yeast assasin?  Should I feed them garlic even though it is all sprouting this time of year?  You wouldn't believe the yeast infection rash my dd has.  I'm treating it with dead sea salts and it's working, but I know I need to do more.  She's obsessed with grains and milk too.  I took her off grains but still gave her yogurt.  Arg.  We're eating elk meat from an amish grocery store to avoid the hormones in beef and stuff.  This is getting rediculous, it seems like we can't eat anything!

So again, how long will it take to heal our guts???
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mercy April 12, 2007, 05:23:44 PM
Yeast Assassin is great for helping control an overgrowth of yeast in your system.  But if you are both having problems that started about the same time, and you can't see any reason for it, you might want to consider whether your problems are due to mold in your house.  I just got over some very severe health problems by getting the mold taken care of, but the ironic part too is that some of the "minor" problems I had also been experiencing disappeared as well.  You would be amazed at the problems that mold can cause--even yeast!.  If you want to check it out, I recommend you go to

www.aenvirocure.com (http://www.aenvirocure.com)

They have lots of info there to help you figure out if you might have a problem with mold.  We will be praying for you!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: its_me518 April 12, 2007, 07:06:02 PM
Thanx! Ok, this is kinda embarrassing to admit... but I was wondering, since you mentioned the mold thing.... Is mildew the same? If it is, do you think this could possibly have ANYTHING at all to do with the fact that our towels are about 5 years old, and have a funky smell to them? I've tried washing them in vinegar, but no change.... you think this could be the problem?? :o ???
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything April 12, 2007, 08:11:18 PM
I sympathize with you hollyolly123.  It is all so confusing and difficult to stick with.  I have been dabbling on and off with trying to cure yeast/ leaky gut, possible parasites.  The problem is my husband has never been onboard.  
Well, he is finally willing to try something.  I know he has some sort of gut issue and he has recently quit chewing tobacco..  So our family is dealing with his anger as he struggles to stay off of the nicotine.  I really would like to do some nutritional healing before he resorts to chewing again.  I really believe it could help with the addiction.  He has been eating so much sugar as he quits.

His symptoms are sugar cravings, flatulance, rheumatoid arthritis, anger, constant hunger.
He wants to try "the world's best internal klenz" because it has the 60 day guarantee. Does anyone have any experience with this?
I really want to get the right thing for him as he will only try it once. He is very skeptical and stubborn. I would like to treat the whole family at once.

So I guess my question is...what really works for healing the gut and ridding it of parasites and yeast that is affordable and good for the whole family?  Our youngest is 21 months and I am still nursing.   I know this is a tall order, but I need to find the best, most affordable thing.  I have read so many posts but can anyone with a good success story tell me their method? Thank you to anyone who may be able to answer this!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T April 13, 2007, 02:25:22 AM
On the same note as Hollyolly and InEverything...has anyone tried ingesting bentonite clay for a 'cleanse?'  It seems, from some things I've read about it, to do all the things they are looking for.  The Bulk Herb Store is out of stock right now and I couldn't find it at the one place I looked yesterday but it almost seems too good to be true, easy, and fairly inexpensive (at TBHStore).  I have read that it takes out toxins and parasites and can help with yeast.  Just wondering if there is any other experience with it out there and the results.  If I can get it soon, I'll let you know how it works for us!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 02:31:56 AM
So from what you read, bentonite clay is ingestible? I"m at my wits end and I need to do something for my dd asap.  I'm thinking of asking my mom to buy her some threelack which feels flaky to me, but she'll do anything for grandbaby and I at least want to spare her what I've gone through.  Would you mind telling me where you got your info on the bentonite?  I want somethig that is really going to work!!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Kati*did April 13, 2007, 02:44:38 AM
So from what you read, bentonite clay is ingestible?

I didn't know this either!  Some ladies discuss it and "tell how" (how much to take, what to mix it with, etc) on this thread:
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2450.0.html
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T April 13, 2007, 02:47:22 AM
I pulled up a search for bentonite clay after reading about it on the Bulk Herb Store site and the natural deodorant thread.  I checked out all the sites it referred.  Yes, it is ingestable.  You can mix it into liquid or take it in capsules.  The BH store had a pound for 5.50 but it's out of stock right now.  I'd really like to give them the business since you never know what someone else's business supports.  Three lac came up on the search, also, so it must be an ingredient in that.  Of course you would still need to change your diet.  We just did the 'spit test' I posted a day or so ago and if it's true to what it says, we've all got candida probelms!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 03:04:01 AM
Many times the symptoms of candida and leaky gut are the same as these two conditions are often related.  Here are some links to help you find the info you might need.

Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mama Sita April 13, 2007, 03:21:22 AM
Thanx! Ok, this is kinda embarrassing to admit... but I was wondering, since you mentioned the mold thing.... Is mildew the same? If it is, do you think this could possibly have ANYTHING at all to do with the fact that our towels are about 5 years old, and have a funky smell to them? I've tried washing them in vinegar, but no change.... you think this could be the problem?? :o ???


Hey its_me,
Try washing those towels in the homemade laundry detergent (dry) recipe on this board somewhere. (I'll try to find it). Seems that the washing soda in there really takes out odors. I would use vinegar for fabric softener, too. That should give new life to your towels. Or you may want to try just the washing soda alone. It's great stuff.
We have the same problem, especially in the summer. :-\

HTH!
Mama Sita
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 03:44:12 AM
I used Yeast Assassin and Acidophilus Blast and (Tummy Tuneup alternately with AB) 2 YA and 4 TT per day for 10 months.  I ate absolutely no carbs or sugar for the first two weeks.  I reintroduced minimal sugars after that and after about 2 months, I started eating whatever I wanted (within reason) but I found that I had lost my taste for processed muck like Little Debbies, Doritos, etc., but still enjoy sugar in my lattes and my kefir.  I would recommend YA & all TT products to anyone who has yeast, parasites and/or leaky gut.  Keep in mind, all during this time, I learned how to make kefir and kombucha and they have since become a regular part of my diet.  I have them both almost every day.  I also make my own kimchee but eat it a bit more sparingly.

My husband had less symptoms initially than I did, but he would not give up sugar while taking the supplements.  He couldn't get rid of his symptoms, so he finally did a two week sugar fast about a month ago and he is just now seeing good results.  He's been treating himself for a year, but will most likely continue to treat for awhile because of his late realization about the need to refrain from sugar during treatment.

I also take SuperDad and Cod Liver Oil and have since the beginning.  I believe these helped with liver congestion and healing of my leaky gut.

I also took L.Glutamine for the first 3 or 4 months to aid with the healing of the gut as well.  I threw in some Aloe Juice but was not very consistant with this, as I just hated the taste.  I also threw in some liquid chlorophyl to help with my liver and lymph nodes, but again, I only did this for a month or two and was not very consistant with it either, but I think it helped.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 03:56:12 AM
Wow, thank you for the info and specific regimen.  It helps.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 04:10:45 AM
I just looked up the ingredients of threelac, and it's got beet sugar and fructosaccharides.  Are fructosaccharides a sugar?  I know fructose is.  It's not worth the price to me if the sugar in it will feed my yeast.  Arg!  What can I give my kids?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Momofone April 13, 2007, 04:16:41 AM
Q:  How long does it take a leaky gut to heal?

"Wow, thank you for the info and specific regimen.  It helps."

Ditto, that!  I did something similar 3-4 yrs ago, as far as the 2 wks of NO SUGAR and your "diet" that followed.  I stuck with it for about a year.  While I was eating "low carb", I did lose weight and felt more energetic.  My face did not clear up and my neck pain did not subside - two things I thought may have been yeast related.

After a year, I started to "fudge" on the diet - literally! (YUM)  I'd eat some ice cream or cookies occasionally, pasta - but still felt I was not overdoing it.  Now, I feel like I'm having issues again and am trying to Sugar Fast for a while here. 

Besides the "typical" things that caused my yeast - antibiotics (LOTS OF THEM!!!), birth control pills, city water, bad diet - I also had e coli pretty bad several years ago, which ate the lining of my gut.   

So, I'm wondering - Is it because there was so much damage, and I'm just not waiting long enough to cleanse and heal my system before eating more "bad" stuff?  Or did I not use the right supplements?  Or, because of my diet and city water, am I not doing enough  "maintenence" as I go along?  What's your opinion?

thx
KS Lisa; Plain & Tall
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 04:20:59 AM
Did you eat any foods that are supposed to heal the gut, like good fats and stuff?  I know that ther is info on it somewhere.  I would like to know how long it takes to heal the gut too.  Has anyone ever healed their gut and been able to drink milk and eat biscuts again???
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 04:29:02 AM
So, I'm wondering - Is it because there was so much damage, and I'm just not waiting long enough to cleanse and heal my system before eating more "bad" stuff?  Or did I not use the right supplements?  Or, because of my diet and city water, am I not doing enough  "maintenence" as I go along?  What's your opinion?

thx
KS Lisa; Plain & Tall
Do you still eat or take probiotics?  I think this is a must indefinately or for a very long time.  Also did you discontinue use of the causes?  I know that SLS can exacerbate yeast symptoms, but haven't found a direct link between the two; however I quit using them and this may be the difference. 

I also agree with the fats.  These are a definate must for healing and continued health.

Check this link for more info.

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything April 13, 2007, 05:00:43 AM
Thank you HB for your specific regime and even your husband's experience. My husband likes the "world's best internal klenz" idea because they say you don't have to change your diet.  However, it doesn't address candida on it's own.  You have to add another product.

I will see if he is willing to do YA and TT or perhaps the paragone routine.  They seem to have some good products as well.

Thank you.  This is probably going to be a one shot deal with my dh and if it doesn't work he may never try anything I say again!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 13, 2007, 05:15:13 AM
Healthybratt, your the woman of the hour I guess :)

I was hoping you could tell me where you got yourrecipe for kimchi?  Also, will my sourkraut lacto-ferment enough if I just use just salt and not whey?  It's going to be tough for me to get whey if I'm not using any dairy, and I can't afford to buy it just for the whey if I'm going to do the yeast diet.  It is expensive not to use grains! 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Momofone April 13, 2007, 05:33:36 AM
THanks, HB and Holly! 

No, I didn't do the "good fats" (that I know of) - I don't know much about them now, and surely didn't know anything about them back then.  Will research them more!  Thanks!

I did Aloe for a while (agree about the taste :P), and love yogurt and such, so eat that pretty regularly.

SLS and yeast, too?!?!  Arrrrghhhh!  Now I'm not so sure that I've discontinued use of ALL of the causes.  How can I ever be sure?  :(   I just need to find a tropical island somewhere with  no "modern conveniences".    ;D

thx again
KS Lisa; Plain & Tall

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 07:32:44 AM
I was hoping you could tell me where you got yourrecipe for kimchi? 
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,44.msg122.html#msg122 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,44.msg122.html#msg122)

Also, will my sourkraut lacto-ferment enough if I just use just salt and not whey? 
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1154.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1154.0.html)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: InEverything April 13, 2007, 10:30:58 AM
For the Kimchi can you use red pepper flakes or cayenne pepper?  I do not have any ground red pepper.  Do you just grind the red pepper flakes?  It sounds really good.

"T" I do want to research the bentonite clay for parasites and yeast.  It is very affordable and doesn't taste bad at all. I had bought a small amount at our health food store. I will do more research on it.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 13, 2007, 10:35:58 AM
For the Kimchi can you use red pepper flakes or cayenne pepper?  I do not have any ground red pepper.  Do you just grind the red pepper flakes?  It sounds really good.

"T" I do want to research the bentonite clay for parasites and yeast.  It is very affordable and doesn't taste bad at all. I had bought a small amount at our health food store. I will do more research on it.
This thread is for Candida/Yeast treatments.  Please post your questions regarding the Kimchee recipe in that thread.  (I'm not sure, but the answer may already be there.)  Thanks.  ;D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Melly April 14, 2007, 10:39:52 AM

Here is a Maker's Diet website with more info you can read. This site actually looks "hokey" to me, but the book really isn't. There is a recipe section on this site though, which, if you do nothing but follow their recipes and food guides, while taking Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up - I believe your family can become Candida-free and healthy. I've been trying to learn how to cook like this - permanently!

http://www.gprxstore.com/info_pages/index.cfm?fuseaction=all&parent_id=42



I've been looking on this site for the recipe section and I can't find it.  Any help?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: YoopreMama April 14, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
Here is a Maker's Diet website with more info you can read. There is a recipe section on this site though, which, if you do nothing but follow their recipes and food guides, while taking Yeast Assassin and Tummy Tune-Up - I believe your family can become Candida-free and healthy. I've been trying to learn how to cook like this - permanently! http://www.gprxstore.com/info_pages/index.cfm?fuseaction=all&parent_id=42


I've been looking on this site for the recipe section and I can't find it.  Any help?

I looked, too--seems like they've revamped the site. :( I bet if you searched for "Maker's Diet" and "recipes" you'll find something similar, or PM ForeverGirl and ask if she has them saved...
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hollyolly123 April 14, 2007, 12:51:22 PM
To really help with yeast and actually heal the gut, I believe from what I've read that Probiotics with HSO's are key.  Check out www.westonaprice.com and the article "How to Restore Digestive Health" it's awesome.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T April 14, 2007, 03:17:57 PM
I do have to say Hollyolly, you're scaring me by doing the MC before you heal this stuff.  Please be carefull!  I do support your efforts, though!  Hope your tomorrow is better!  Some people have changed their being hypoglycemic and other things (making them not existant anymore) by healing their gut and/or the MC, I think, or is that the liver cleansing?  Just be carefull! I'm going to check out that site...
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: its_me518 April 15, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
Hi again. Ok, I need someone to be real specific with me please. I believe we do NOT have a yeast problem. From all the symptoms that were listed everywhere, I found that we might have only 1 or 2. So here is my question, in order to fight whatever yeast we might have, what should we do? This is what I am thinking... we are already trying to stay off sugar, but I want to get the Yeast Assasin and the Original Blend Tummy Tune Up... Would this do the job of getting rid of whatever little yeast we might have and preventing and more from growing?? Please be specific...( ??? :)) I get confused easily.... Thank you very much! Oh, and we are both already taking SuperMom/Dad......
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: its_me518 April 15, 2007, 01:09:44 PM
I'm choosing this thread for this post, but if it fits better elsewhere PLEASE move it HB ;D
I have been treating for yeast overgrowth for a long while now. I first tried diet, then added threelac, and finally garlic, grapefruit seed extract, tummytuneup, and yeast assasin. To say the least I got discouraged when each time there was only a slight gain. Symptoms would improve only to reappear within a short time which meant I had to go through die-off reactions over and over again.  :'( There was a slight improvement each time but not enough to feel victorious  ::). Well....enter the research of amalgam fillings and the whole mercury issue. I got my amalgam fillings out in SEPT and then did several types of cleanses and a 3 week YA, TT, GSE, and garlic binge ;) that did it!!!!! Did another YA treatment and no die-off. :-* I do not have any yeast overgrowth symptoms and am in the middle of doing the master cleanse w/ no die-off reaction :-* and manageable detox.
I am so happy and thought it might be useful for someone else to know that there seems to be a definite connection between mercury toxicity and yeast overgrowth.

thank you also, for posting your experience.  i have a bunch of amalgam fillings that i guess i need to find someone to remove.  is it really expensive and did your insurance cover it? 

Regarding removing the mercury fillings, and don't know much about it, but I did hear once that leaving them in your mouth is much better for you than trying to remove them. They said that when you try to remove them, they fall apart and a lot more mercury gets into your system then if you were to just leave them... just thought I'd let you know  :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 15, 2007, 07:41:57 PM
Please be specific...( ??? :)) I get confused easily.... Thank you very much! Oh, and we are both already taking SuperMom/Dad......[/color]
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644 (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz April 26, 2007, 07:17:17 PM
I wondered if anyone knows of any anti yeast medicines other than the prescription (nystatin, dyflucan, etc.).  I don't have health insurance and can't afford to see a doctor regularly.  I read good things about the tummy tune up, but I am trying to start this right now, and I don't want to wait for shipping.  Is there anything I can get from a local health food store that I can take while nursing?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mercy April 28, 2007, 12:37:18 AM
I wondered if anyone knows of any anti yeast medicines other than the prescription (nystatin, dyflucan, etc.).  I don't have health insurance and can't afford to see a doctor regularly.  I read good things about the tummy tune up, but I am trying to start this right now, and I don't want to wait for shipping.  Is there anything I can get from a local health food store that I can take while nursing?

Sure is!  GARLIC.  Don't bother with the pills from the health food store--fresh is definitely most potent.  You can just chew a clove of garlic, but if the thought of doing that is out of the question (it is for me), then try garlic tea:  crush or slice one clove, place it in warm (NOT hot) water and stir, then strain out the garlic pieces and add honey to taste.  Garlic is antibacterial, antiviral and antifungal.  The book The Yeast Connection says that many people have used only garlic and diet to treat their candida overgrowth, and had better success than using the prescriptions.  Another option is grapefruit seed extract, which should also be available at your HFS.  Put about 15 to 20 drops in a glass of juice and drink it down, or my favorite way: put the same # of drops in an empty capsule and swallow with water.  The bad news with GSE is that it will kill everything in your gut, so you will need a good probiotic to get your digestive system back on track.  GSE should not be used over a long period of time for this very reason.  HTH!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 28, 2007, 08:51:58 AM
I wondered if anyone knows of any anti yeast medicines other than the prescription (nystatin, dyflucan, etc.).  I don't have health insurance and can't afford to see a doctor regularly.  I read good things about the tummy tune up, but I am trying to start this right now, and I don't want to wait for shipping.  Is there anything I can get from a local health food store that I can take while nursing?


Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida/Yeast While Pregnant (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Taking Yeast Assassin [or Other Antifungals] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24679.html#msg24679)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz April 30, 2007, 07:01:52 AM
Thank you. I will look through this info.  The olive leaf looks like it may be good, but I guess I will see what I can get a hold of. lol  I started on this diet about two weeks ago, but it is really  hard.  I have already fallen off of it once.  Do you have any tricks to make it a little easier.  Also I wondered if there was a natural sweetener that I can use with my two year old son, and my seven month old son.  I want to get them on this with me, but I am not sure how.
 I apologize for being so annoying, but I am very overwhelmed with all of this.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mercy May 01, 2007, 06:04:39 PM
The only natural sweetener I know of that has no sugars of any kind for the yeast to feed on is stevia.  It comes in many forms--liquid drops, green powder (crushed dried stevia leaves), and white powder (extract made from stevia leaves).  Stevia is much, much sweeter than sugar, so it takes less to sweeten anything.  There is a thread on this forum all about stevia--and it is mentioned in more than one.  Try typing stevia into the advanced search, and see what you come up with.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz May 05, 2007, 11:15:38 AM
Ok, I'm sorry to be so annoying.  But I was reading through the natural anti fungals that you gave me, and I have a question.  Are probiotics and antifungals the same thing?  Or do I need two seperate herbs? 
I was trying to find out through the information on there, but it is very confusing.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 06, 2007, 11:34:22 AM
Ok, I'm sorry to be so annoying.  But I was reading through the natural anti fungals that you gave me, and I have a question.  Are probiotics and antifungals the same thing?  Or do I need two seperate herbs? 
I was trying to find out through the information on there, but it is very confusing.

A probiotic is a strain of bacteria or yeast that populate the GI tract which keep candida and other harmful bacteria in check.  These can be found naturally in lacto-fermented foods and supplements.

Anti fungal merely refers to any substance, including probiotics, which kill or control fungus or yeast.
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: iluvmyboyz May 07, 2007, 07:12:35 AM
Ok thank you.  I am going to try for the olive seed extract, my husband has a stubborn nail infection so hopefully we can kill two birds with one stone.  lol thanx again any info or advice you may want to give will be very appreciated.  Thanx again. :)
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: Julia May 07, 2007, 10:13:58 AM
Good article about bacteria in the body. Stuff you probably already know "if you're a WellTeller" but a good source of facts and science if you're talking to someone who doesn't believe you since they've "never heard of this from a doctor."

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2007/04/bacteriahacking
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: floydian May 07, 2007, 03:33:56 PM
I wondered if anyone knows of any anti yeast medicines other than the prescription (nystatin, dyflucan, etc.).  I don't have health insurance and can't afford to see a doctor regularly.  I read good things about the tummy tune up, but I am trying to start this right now, and I don't want to wait for shipping.  Is there anything I can get from a local health food store that I can take while nursing?

Sure is!  GARLIC.  Don't bother with the pills from the health food store--fresh is definitely most potent.  You can just chew a clove of garlic, but if the thought of doing that is out of the question (it is for me), then try garlic tea:  crush or slice one clove, place it in warm (NOT hot) water and stir, then strain out the garlic pieces and add honey to taste.  Garlic is antibacterial, antiviral and antifungal.  The book The Yeast Connection says that many people have used only garlic and diet to treat their candida overgrowth, and had better success than using the prescriptions.  Another option is grapefruit seed extract, which should also be available at your HFS.  Put about 15 to 20 drops in a glass of juice and drink it down, or my favorite way: put the same # of drops in an empty capsule and swallow with water.  The bad news with GSE is that it will kill everything in your gut, so you will need a good probiotic to get your digestive system back on track.  GSE should not be used over a long period of time for this very reason.  HTH!

Mercy,
Can you use GSE this way if you are nursing.  I tried to find this in the thread, but if it's there, I missed it.
Thanks,
Floydian
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: iluvmyboyz May 09, 2007, 12:00:03 PM
How much garlic should you be taking?  And is taking a garlic pill not going to work at all?  My husband and I have been doing the Yeast Connection Diet for a couple of days and I feel better physically, but I also feel very irritable. lol  But we have been taking garlic pills, so just wondering.  The books don't get very specific they all want you to see a physician.
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: mercy May 10, 2007, 03:05:48 AM
How much garlic should you be taking?  And is taking a garlic pill not going to work at all?  My husband and I have been doing the Yeast Connection Diet for a couple of days and I feel better physically, but I also feel very irritable. lol  But we have been taking garlic pills, so just wondering.  The books don't get very specific they all want you to see a physician.

Depends on which pills you are taking.  But we have found that the pills are not nearly so effective as fresh garlic.  Fresh is cheaper too! ;D

Floydian, I am checking out the GSE question.  Will let you know when I find out something. ;)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mommie May 14, 2007, 04:38:21 PM
2 q's...
1-i recently read having a probiotic with lots of strains is not as good since the different strains can cause problems with each other. they said doing acidophilus and than bifidus was better but sounded like they thought things like ttu or gr8dophilus wouldn't be good...maybe those strains are o,k together or maybe that idea in the first place is all wrong
2-does the "spit" test for yeast work...is it reliable?
thanks!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mommie May 16, 2007, 02:55:12 PM
one more Bump...hoping for ideas1 :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock May 17, 2007, 04:53:49 AM
hope you get some replies
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: YoopreMama May 23, 2007, 09:16:20 PM
Foods that naturally inhibit or kill yeast:

Broccoli, horseradish, kale, turnips, & cabbage.

Taken from the book, "Is This Your Child?" (allergies).    :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthyinOhio May 27, 2007, 05:12:19 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned here on WTM, but I found a self test to see if you have Candida overgrowth:
http://www.rainbowminerals.net/candidda_test.htm

Not sure how accurate it is, but thought I would post just in case.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hsink May 27, 2007, 06:47:53 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned here on WTM, but I found a self test to see if you have Candida overgrowth:
http://www.rainbowminerals.net/candidda_test.htm

Not sure how accurate it is, but thought I would post just in case.

Hope my kids don't come by and take a swig  :P  :P  :P
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Syrena May 31, 2007, 01:14:03 PM
Okay, I did the Candida 'spit test' but all my spit did was sag in the middle a little. I was convinced I have a yeast problem since all the symptoms fit while to my frustration all my doctors always said I had no problem  ::). Could the spit test be invalid? I could find no origin for it, or proof that it is legitimate. Thanks for any advice.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T June 01, 2007, 03:02:09 AM
I posted my source for it some time ago.  I found it on www.newlifevitamins.com under their three lac ad.  I couldn't tell you if it is legit for sure and I don't really know who could validate it yet.  That was the only place I found it.  Everyone in my family 'had' candida according to the test but that didn't surprised me since I was pretty sure with our past diets that we would.  That being said, I still don't know if it's valid or not.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mommie June 01, 2007, 06:10:37 AM
Yeah, maybe this is faulty thinking here. but I just assumed since this web site that was selling stuff to "cure" yeast posted the test that if it wasn't true everyone would just test positive so they could sell more stuff. But at first when I did it I had no yeast problem supposedly. Now that I have a yeast infection it is coming up "positive" (The second time I tried) So I am guessing it is legite only because I don't understand why they wuold post something random like thtat if it didn't benefit them...again probably faulty thought pattern...but that's my 2 cents. I'm hoping to hear forom someone who did the spit test and it came back as  a yes you have it, than did the cleanse adn spit again and it came back negative...any testimonials?? :)
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: herbalmom June 01, 2007, 11:02:11 AM
Okay, I did the Candida 'spit test' but all my spit did was sag in the middle a little. I was convinced I have a yeast problem since all the symptoms fit while to my frustration all my doctors always said I had no problem  ::). Could the spit test be invalid? I could find no origin for it, or proof that it is legitimate. Thanks for any advice.

Most people have yeast overgrowth &/or fungus that shouldn't be in the body to varying degrees so if it were me & I had symptoms (which I do but that's another story) I would try it & see if it helps. Yeast/fungus can reside anywhere in the body so if you don't happen to have much in your saliva it might not show much. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: NotLuckyButBlessed June 06, 2007, 09:13:25 AM


I have never had problems with yeast overgrowth or had symptoms. I have never been a big sugar freak or had much of a sweet tooth. Occassional sweets have been fine for me.

Since my latest pregnancy I have wanted/been craving sugar way more than I ever have before. I have heard this can be a symptom of candida. I have also heard this causes candida. Any thoughts?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama June 06, 2007, 09:19:30 AM
OK, so the spit test did appear to be valid in my case. I definitely got different results after my symptoms were all gone.  :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4lilkeepers June 14, 2007, 04:27:15 AM
I've seen babies get this, but I have always had skinny babies and haven't had to deal with it.  My 4 month old breastfed baby has been outside a lot in the sun.  She sweats, and drools etc... I have been trying to pay careful attention at bathtime to her under neck area, but I guess I missed this one.  What is something natural I can put under her chin to get rid of this?

Thanks
4lilkeepers
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T June 14, 2007, 04:52:10 AM
Mine had something like this and it looked like diaper rash to me.  That may be totally differant than what you're dealing with but do you think you could do the hair dryer trick?  If she can stand it, make sure it's nice and dry with a cool blow dryer under her chin.  If it's dry before her skin on her neck touches her chest, it might have a chance to clear up at night when she sleeps in a cooler environment.  It may be heat rash which is what mine had (aggravated by the humidity and drool/sweat).  You might try the corn starch routine but I don't know if she would absorb any of the aluminum.  Perhaps some arrowroot...I've just gotten some of that and don't know yet how I'll use it but it is to be a corn starch replacement.  It may only be a thickener for food use so I'd look into it or wait for someone else to let us know!
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: all2Jesus July 13, 2007, 03:13:01 PM
 iIm sure I have Candida, but have slow will power to deal with it.( Fresh garlic, cut down sugar & caffine) After researching these threads and other sites I know because last Fall I had lapocspy to remove a tube that was blocked by my pregency. After surgery my OBGYN told my husband one of my large intestines had attached itself to my stomach wall with fibroids. She had never seen or heard of this, and tryed to "clean it up" (deattach).
 Upon healing I bent over to say "hi" to a baby in a stroller and when I stood back up, I coud FEEL ripping deep inside on that spot.
 Has anyone heard or experienced this? I saw writtings that support this is true, maybe I'm the one who her DR. could atcually see the results of this..
Hope I didn't gross you all out, just looking for opinions.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: jammy July 31, 2007, 10:28:56 AM
I began taking the anti-yeast pack supplements this past Saturday.  Two days later I began to feel like I may be about to get a vag. yeast infection.  Is that normal?  I am not getting one, but almost feel like I was....strange to try and describe.  Today I feel nauseous, (3 days after starting) could be a fluke, but could all this be a reaction to the yeast dying off?  YUK!  But better to get it if so!!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt July 31, 2007, 10:34:32 AM
I began taking the anti-yeast pack supplements this past Saturday.  Two days later I began to feel like I may be about to get a vag. yeast infection.  Is that normal?  I am not getting one, but almost feel like I was....strange to try and describe.  Today I feel nauseous, (3 days after starting) could be a fluke, but could all this be a reaction to the yeast dying off?  YUK!  But better to get it if so!!
Yes, yes and yes.  Drink lots of water, get plenty of rest and hang in there.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: herbalmom July 31, 2007, 11:29:43 AM
so I had a test done and it is a yeast infection i have I guess. i started upping my GSE and it feels worse....see I'm confused....some would say its die off???? but could it just be getting worse???

Probably die off. Since GSE is antibacterial & antifungal both it should take care of whatever is causing it. (it could easily be both bacteria & fungus combined) How much are you taking & how often? It may be that your not taking enough to fully kick it. Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: morningglory August 03, 2007, 04:54:14 AM
Is cleansing for yeast all in vain if you don't drink filtered water?  I've been eating no grains, sugars (including fruit), starches, or dairy for 5 days, and I plan to do it for a month, if possible.  I'm also taking killer doses of Three-Lac and NOW acidophilus/bifidus.  The Three-Lac says to take it with purified water.  I've been boiling mine to get rid of some of the junk, but there must be a lot left.  We plan to get a Berkeley light filter in the future, but right now, it's just not in the budget.  Would a BRITA water filter be a good compromise in the meantime?  A friend just told me of someone he knows who cured his son's eczema by installing a water filtration system in his house.  I'm assuming that worked because all of the beneficial bacteria wasn't killed off by the chemicals.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama August 03, 2007, 09:05:31 AM
I think a cheap charcoal water filter is at least a step in the right direction. I'd go for what I could afford now and keep in mind the yeast/candida cleansing is a process. Getting ahead of it even partway is worthwhile from my experience, although when you do get total control it is sooo wonderful.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mommie August 07, 2007, 06:35:51 PM
I'm only doing 30 drops 2x a day. I just started, garlic caps, acidophilus/bifidus and enzymes as well.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: herbalmom August 07, 2007, 08:23:35 PM
I'm only doing 30 drops 2x a day. I just started, garlic caps, acidophilus/bifidus and enzymes as well.

When my yeast/fungus is acting up I take 24 drops (24 drops fills the large section of a '00' gelatin capsule) of NutriBiotic brand GSE at least 4 X's a day.  So my daily total is appox 100-200 drops per day which is a pretty large dose for GSE. (Keep in mind Beeyoutiful's is twice as strong if you use it) I am pretty heavy & do have major yeast/fungus issues though so not everyone will need that much.

Taking 30 drops 2X's per day for a total of 60 drops per day may not be as effective as taking 15 drops 4X's per day or 10drops 6X's per day- either of which would also total the same 60 drops per day. When you spread your doses out so far you give the yeast/fungus time to resurge between doses. If I remember correctly, this has been a reoccurring problem for you. If so, it indicates a whole body yeast/fungus problem, not just v*g*n*l, & you will probably need large doses to kick it. If it were me in your situation, I think I would try at least 20 drops (of NutriBiotic's) 4X's per day & possibly 6X's per day. Just my .02. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: herbalmom August 08, 2007, 11:21:58 AM
actually I've never had this problem before and typically when I spit in a cup of water in the morning I get a negative for yeast since I got a "negative" on that and since I don't have all the other usual yeast infection symptoms (just irratation) I thought it was just hormonal since it stareted when I was 6 weeks preggo. Actually at first I thought it was my tp than laundry soap and than finally had my midwife do a swab and it came back as yeast. I'm a little hesitant about oding too much on gse while pregnant, can you do that? I dont have a capsule machine and was worried about all the juice if I took anymopre gse as well since I guess yeast likes juice??

Sorry, sometimes it's hard to keep everyone & their health situations straight.  :D

Your right, juice does feed yeast. As far as putting the GSE into capsules, you can't do it ahead of time because the GSE will leach through the capsule walls. You don't need a capsule machine- just hold the large part of the capsule in one hand, drip the GSE into it, put the cap on & swallow it. Even just taking the same 60 drops per day in 4 doses instead of 2 would probably be a good idea. I don't know how much would be too much while pregnant but I haven't heard of any toxicity in pregnancy. I probably wouldn't take the 200 drop a day dose I take sometimes though. The hormones of pregnancy helps yeast to grow.  :P which is probably why you have it now. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom
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: mommie August 08, 2007, 12:15:44 PM
thanks ladies!! Yeah, I'm Italian so garlic is a good friend of mine!! I haven't heard of gse being a problem in pregnancy either. so Maybe I'll buy the caps...that makes sense that I could do it myself...not sure why that didn't register. Yeah I think i'll stick to a smaller dosage though too cause I lean towards the smaller side. good good stuff ladies. Thanks
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: herbalmom August 08, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
thanks ladies!! Yeah, I'm Italian so garlic is a good friend of mine!! I haven't heard of gse being a problem in pregnancy either. so Maybe I'll buy the caps...that makes sense that I could do it myself...not sure why that didn't register. Yeah I think i'll stick to a smaller dosage though too cause I lean towards the smaller side. good good stuff ladies. Thanks

GSE is so thick filling caps is easy. I do the same thing with Oreganol.

Just so you know, NutriBiotic does make GSE capsules. I think they contain 12 drops of GSE each. I have never used them for 3 reasons: #1- they rattle in the bottle like they are hard tablets & I don't use hard tablets because I don't absorb them well; #2- it's MUCH cheaper to fill the gelatin capsules myself #3- I always have empty capsules & I use GSE for cleaning, etc & I like having less items to buy & keep track of. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom   
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: morningglory August 08, 2007, 04:35:04 PM
I don't know what I'm doing wrong!  I've been cleansing for yeast for a week and a half now and I feel FINE!  I'm supposed to feel like garbage, right?  There's no doubt that I have candida and leaky gut, but I'm not even having bad cravings.  I'm only eating meat, veggies, nuts, and seeds.  I have wheat/dairy allergies I'm trying to get rid of, so I'm abstaining from ALL grains and milk.  I'm not eating anything starchy, no potatoes, no rice, no fruit.  I have been popping a few blueberries, but not very many at all.  I just got a faucet charcoal fiilter, because that's the best I can do at the moment.  I'm eating 3 cloves of garlic a day (my husband can't stand more than that :P).  I'm taking 5 packs of Three-Lac and 21 drops of Oxygen Elements daily.  I'm doing the Water Cure twice over and eating flax seed to keep things moving. 

I did the Master Cleanse a few weeks ago, but I thought that's supposed to make candida WORSE, not better!

Surely my symptoms should be getting worse or better or different or SOMETHING!  Should I start drinking more kombucha?  I've been leaving most of it for my son, because he's getting rid of yeast too, and he can't do without his "tea".
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. B August 08, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
Morningglory,
I have read your other posts also and I love your attitude...you are so amazing!
I had never thought that I had any yeast issues, but I have always had "a sweet tooth" that seemed to be getting worse/ out of hand and a few other subtle symptoms.  I did have a positive spit test, for whatever that's worth.  I have also done the water cure daily for the past several months.
I decided to finally do a yeast cleanse....and let me say that I was dreading it.  I had attempted the Master cleanse earlier this year and had to quit after 3 days because I couldn't deal with the detoxing symptoms.
For this cleanse I took YA with TTU (I had never taken any probiotics in the past, either).  I also cut carbs back to under 25gms per day.  The first day was okay, but the second day I had a bad (not horrible) headache and that was it.  From there on I felt great... I had more energy than normal...like super-energy because this is not normally an issue for me. 
I stayed on the cleanse for 14 more days and the most amazing thing is that my cravings went away.  I have actually lost more weight since completing the cleanse.  I feel "lighter" for lack of a better word... I am sleeping better, my period was without any hormonal/personality-type changes.  I also quit using deoderant at this time after years of not being able to for obvious stinky reason.  Today was 104 degrees at my house, I ran 3 miles and don't stink.
I don't think I had a huge candida problem to begin with and that is why I had minimal symptoms, but I think that this cleanse did more of a fine-tuning of my system.   I am back to eating more carbs at this time, generally whole grain, fruit, or veggies, but haven't had the cravings from before nor have I felt the urge to binge on anything. 
I would just continue doing what you're doing....don't give up just because you don't feel bad.  We all experience things differently.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: morningglory August 08, 2007, 05:31:20 PM
Thanks for the encouragement.  Imagine complaining that I'm not violently ill, LOL!  A few days ago, my elbows started to itch, and I said to my husband, "My elbows are breaking out! YAY!"  He just gave me a look.  Bless his heart, I've put him through so much already this year, and it look like it's not ending anytime soon.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: herbalmom August 16, 2007, 07:46:16 PM
so how long till it gets better? my yeast infection has progressively gotten worse for over a week niw?

How are you treating it now? I know that you were taking GSE but we were talking about possibly changing the amount, & frequency of doses- what did you end up deciding to do? We need more info to help you figure out if you should be doing something different.

Read ForeverGirl's posts at the beginning of this thread:

Fungal-Bacterial Infections (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.120.html)

Maybe the Dead Sea Salts she recommends would help. Blessings ~herbalmom
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: beppyjo October 01, 2007, 11:37:16 AM
I am a newbie and don't even know for sure that I am posting this correctly! I sure hope so!
O.K. so I have been researching candida on this site for a couple of weeks(can you say information overload :P  :D) and know I need to treat the whole family. From my reading I have come up with the following treatment plan.

  Those who are not nursing or preggo (such as DH :D) - YA, Ultimate defense (for 2-4 wks to be followed by ttu), Digestive Enzymes, & Omega 3-6-9
  Myself (nursing mom) - TTU, Digestive Enzymes, Omega 3-6-9, Aloe vera juice, pumpkin seeds, & coconut oil
   3yo dd & 4.5yo dd - TTU, Digestive Enzymes, Coconut oil, & pumpkin seeds
   4 mo ds - ?

ds has eczema and gas, will he get enough from what I am taking or should I open up a ttu and give him a little?  Does the above plan sound like it will work? It looked to be cheaper that threelac but do y'all think it will be as effective?  ??? Is TTU the correct probiotic or should it be the AB?  We are also going to do 10 days -2wks of sugar free/low carbs.  :'( Depends on the cooperation of certain parties! ;)
Thanks for any input!

 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock October 01, 2007, 12:42:30 PM
4 month olds can have TTU and, from all I've read, they can have virgin coconut oil too.

I personally think that the original TTU is better at getting rid of yeast than the Ultimate Defence.

WR
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: beppyjo October 01, 2007, 01:38:47 PM
Thanks WhiteRock!
  I was going to use coconut oil but today when I made little "candies" from coconut oil (found the recipe on the coconut oil thread) my 3yo dd and I, who have the worst yeast probs in the family, have bad tummy aches. Do you suppose it could be related to the yeast or some sort of allergy? ???
I recently discovered that any time I drink coconut milk the same thing happens.  :-[
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 01, 2007, 01:57:19 PM
Thanks for any input!

 
I would start with Tummy Tuneup Acidophilus Blast (for everyone) and then once you think the yeast is at bay switch to the Ultimate Defense for repopulation of the gut.  The AB is more effective at killing yeast which is what you need to concentrate on first and it's less expensive so you can take larger doses in the beginning to give your body a kick start.

It's not a bad idea to take some Ultimate Defense and maybe some Original Blend in the mix and I personally keep the Original Blend on hand all the time for tummy ailments (bacterial upset, gas, flu, vomiting, diarrhea, etc.).

I would also recommend that you read this thread for suggested doses of omega fats.  You might want to take some Cod Liver Oil in addition to your 3*6*9 depending on the dosage of EPA's you need in addition to your diet.

Inflammation & Diet [Recommended Dosages & Diet] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8697.msg93452.html#msg93452)

As far as the rest of your plan, I think if you are diligent and stick with it, your plan is a good one.  The enzymes and TT will kill yeast.  The pumpkin seeds and YA will kill parasites.  The aloe will aid with the killing of yeast and the healing of the leaky gut.  The fats will aid your liver function, heal your gut and reduce other types of inflammation throughout the body.  Cod Liver Oil can also help with depression and other mood disorders if they are present.   ;D
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: beppyjo October 01, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
Thanks HB!

 I didn't know that you could/should take cod liver oil with the 3-6-9. I appreciate the advice. I can't wait to make my order of products! I am currently taking codliver oil so will just continue on........... Interesting too that  you mentioned depression and mood stuff. I can really tell when I haven't taken my codliver oil. Which reminds me, I had better go take it! ;D

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this in another thread but freezing the codliver oil (if you are taking capsules) drastically reduces fishy burps! 8) Don't know if it affects its potency. ???
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mommie October 02, 2007, 04:46:40 PM
beppy jo you could be oding on the efa....if you have too much you can get an upset stomach and the runs...You are suppose to start with a low dose of the co and work your way up. If you are doing other things with efa this might be making the problem worse...your body just needs time to adjust the efas....so give yourself a little time. I had a smoothie with some flax seed, 3 Tbls co, I had a fish oil tab, 1/2 tsp spirulina and a flax oil tab the other morning and was ssoooooo sick by the afternoon. I just oded on the efas w/o taking enough time to build slowly....that's my understanding at least.
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: Morgan October 02, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
Just wanted to pass on another link re: GSE.  This one recommends hourly treatment, which I plan to try starting tomorrow.  It also has more detailed help for nursing with thrush.  Hope this tip helps someone!


http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/bf/thrush.asp
 (http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/bf/thrush.asp)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: beppyjo October 03, 2007, 05:43:12 AM
Thanks for the input everybody! I have been taking codliver oil since before my 4 mo old was born to help prevent ppd. It helps when I remember to take it! ;)
 Chrissyjoy, I too have been sick after a smoothie but mine had perfect green food in it from GOL. I didn't add it slowly and woowee did it knock me for a loop!  :-[
 Until I get make/get my beeyoutiful order I have been taking a store brand probiotic called Primadophilius Optima. It has 14 strains, 35billion cfu, is enteric coated, and (you guessed it) is very spendy! I take 1 twice a day. 2 nights ago I started adding a Primal defense at night, which I had on hand and have taken off and on in the past, and I broke out in a weird, itchy rash.  :( It started about an hour after I had taken them. THe first night it was while I was in the shower trying out a vinegar rinse on my hair and I thought maybe it was realted to that but then last nght the same thing happened! :o It is all over my scalp, ears, neck, upperback, shoulders, chest, and is spreading... Could this be some sort of die off?  ??? or a wierd reaction between the 2 probiotics?
 I am not sure if I should quit taking the 2 together or persist  :-\....... Any help is much appreciated!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock October 03, 2007, 06:02:15 AM
I have developed itchy skin while killing yeast. I believe it is die-off. It seems as though all my yeasty problems get much worse very fast when I really get serious about getting rid of yeast. The worst diea-off I've had was from adding a cup of beet kvass mixed with kombucha morning and night. I was itching, had a sore throat, feminine yeast infection, my ears were sensitive and itchy, my eyes were light sensitive and itchy, foggy thinking, fatigue, and basically all the things that bother me when I have a yeast flareup, only all at once and really bad. I was not prepared for that. But I plan to do it again soon (my organic farmer has beets ready for harvest) and add a natural yeast killer and follow up with probiotics. I feel like it's me or the yeast. If I don't kill it, it's going to kill me. I know that sounds melodramatic, but I really have come to that conclusion.

WR
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: beppyjo October 03, 2007, 06:34:28 AM
I feel like it's me or the yeast. If I don't kill it, it's going to kill me. I know that sounds melodramatic, but I really have come to that conclusion.

WR

I couldn't agree more!!!

Beppyjo
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: mommie October 03, 2007, 02:43:39 PM
My mom said she gets itchy behind the ear after she takes flax seed for too long so she has to take and break and do another option for the omega fatty acids and than start back up on the flax...its like an allergic reaction when she does it too long....I wouldn't think it would be an interaction of the two probiotics but I could be wrong...I would say die off or an allergic reaction to eitehr something you have been taking for awhile and your system is building an intolerance to or a reaction to one of the probiotics...what else might be in the probiotics I know some have soy and such...i dont know too much about what is in either of those. thats my 2 cnet. s :)
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: hodgy October 03, 2007, 04:17:16 PM
I have developed itchy skin while killing yeast. I believe it is die-off. It seems as though all my yeasty problems get much worse very fast when I really get serious about getting rid of yeast. The worst diea-off I've had was from adding a cup of beet kvass mixed with kombucha morning and night. I was itching, had a sore throat, feminine yeast infection, my ears were sensitive and itchy, my eyes were light sensitive and itchy, foggy thinking, fatigue, and basically all the things that bother me when I have a yeast flareup, only all at once and really bad. I was not prepared for that. But I plan to do it again soon (my organic farmer has beets ready for harvest) and add a natural yeast killer and follow up with probiotics. I feel like it's me or the yeast. If I don't kill it, it's going to kill me. I know that sounds melodramatic, but I really have come to that conclusion.

WR

I was wondering if maybe this is some kind of leaky gut presentation from doing the cultured drinks?  I noticed when I tried to oust the yeast with fermented things it only worsened my symptoms. Then I read on here about the whole leaky gut things causing this reaction and that until the lining of the gut is healed one should not do the cultered stuff.  Plus, since those types of things have yeast in them (plus a whole lot of good stuff),  that could also cause ones body to react in a negative way to them.  If you decide to stick with it and come out on the other side--PLEASE let us know!!  I think this is going to get me before I get it, but I'm goin' down fighting :D.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 04, 2007, 04:24:03 AM
I have developed itchy skin while killing yeast. I believe it is die-off. It seems as though all my yeasty problems get much worse very fast when I really get serious about getting rid of yeast. The worst diea-off I've had was from adding a cup of beet kvass mixed with kombucha morning and night. I was itching, had a sore throat, feminine yeast infection, my ears were sensitive and itchy, my eyes were light sensitive and itchy, foggy thinking, fatigue, and basically all the things that bother me when I have a yeast flareup, only all at once and really bad. I was not prepared for that. But I plan to do it again soon (my organic farmer has beets ready for harvest) and add a natural yeast killer and follow up with probiotics. I feel like it's me or the yeast. If I don't kill it, it's going to kill me. I know that sounds melodramatic, but I really have come to that conclusion.

WR

I was wondering if maybe this is some kind of leaky gut presentation from doing the cultured drinks?  I noticed when I tried to oust the yeast with fermented things it only worsened my symptoms.
There's a good chance that if you have candida, you also have leaky gut; however, this is most likely not the reason for worsening of symptoms.  This is most likely die-off.  Read about it here.

Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: purewellspring October 08, 2007, 09:04:51 AM
I know that hives can be a symptom of candida/yeast, but here's my question...could you get just ONE hive?!?! I've had a little rashy spot on my leg since doing the Master cleanse, and it took me a little while to figure out that it might be a yeast reaction. woohoo! one question solved! ;) ::) ;D So, i've been eating carefully and avoiding all sugar I can. We went to a wedding Saturday night and I had some of the wedding cake, and Sunday afternoon the rashy spot turned into a HUGE hive that itches like the dickens! Coincidence? Since I don't know much about all of this, I was just wondering if I was on the right track...
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 08, 2007, 10:05:01 AM
I know that hives can be a symptom of candida/yeast, but here's my question...could you get just ONE hive?!?! I've had a little rashy spot on my leg since doing the Master cleanse, and it took me a little while to figure out that it might be a yeast reaction. woohoo! one question solved! ;) ::) ;D So, i've been eating carefully and avoiding all sugar I can. We went to a wedding Saturday night and I had some of the wedding cake, and Sunday afternoon the rashy spot turned into a HUGE hive that itches like the dickens! Coincidence? Since I don't know much about all of this, I was just wondering if I was on the right track...
That sounds like yeast to me.  If I understand you correctly, it resembles a large mosquito bite, a large area slightly raised and itches like the dickens???  If so, yup, definitely yeast/fungus.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: twitterpated4hubby November 03, 2007, 06:42:11 AM
I have a friend who has eczema so badly that her hands are cracking. Im pretty sure its from candida because it gets worse when she eats sugar. I was talking to her last night about tummy tune up after reading the eczema thread but then i remembered that everyone says YA is the one to take for candida. Her dh is refusing to let her spend the money of this stuff because her doctor isn't telling her that's what she needs. :(Maybe he would let her buy one though. If she can only choose one of the two then what would be best for really getting rid of this eczema? Please help!! She is really in pain.

Also, she used a recipe last night to soak her hands in. It was this.....

take 3 cups lukewarm water and 1 cup of oatmeal and 1 tbsp of extra virgin olive oil(EVOO). (if you have some tea tree oil add a cap full) soak for as long as you can.
then after soaking slather on olive oil and either put on a pair of cotton glove or a pair of old white sockes for over night.

Does this seem like the best thing to use or does anyone know of anything better?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 03, 2007, 07:44:20 AM
I have a friend who has eczema so badly that her hands are cracking. Im pretty sure its from candida because it gets worse when she eats sugar. I was talking to her last night about tummy tune up after reading the eczema thread but then i remembered that everyone says YA is the one to take for candida. Her dh is refusing to let her spend the money of this stuff because her doctor isn't telling her that's what she needs. :(Maybe he would let her buy one though. If she can only choose one of the two then what would be best for really getting rid of this eczema? Please help!! She is really in pain.

Also, she used a recipe last night to soak her hands in. It was this.....

take 3 cups lukewarm water and 1 cup of oatmeal and 1 tbsp of extra virgin olive oil(EVOO). (if you have some tea tree oil add a cap full) soak for as long as you can.
then after soaking slather on olive oil and either put on a pair of cotton glove or a pair of old white sockes for over night.

Does this seem like the best thing to use or does anyone know of anything better?
Raw Garlic kills yeast and it's much cheaper than YA.  Maybe her husband would let her try this and if it shows some improvement, she could get some high quality probiotics.

Virgin Coconut Oil would most likely be better for her skin.  It breaths better than olive oil and like garlic, it's antifungal.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 05, 2007, 09:51:13 AM
A lesser known candida fighting herb is  GOLDENROD.

For anyone on a severely restricted budget and can not afford all the candida fighting supplements try goldenrod teas. It is also good for kidney stones and kidney/bladder/UTI infections, good for a diuretic and more. I mix goldenrod  in with some peppermint for a tolerable tea.

It will start growing again next summer and it grows all over the place by the 1000s like dandelions do. It is free to just go out and pick it and use it. I dried up some for the winder use. Try doing google searches on goldenrod and candida for more info.

Here is a link on WTM of 2 pics of what it is. I know most of you will recognize it. Go to post #42 on page 2

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,8481.30.html
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: BJ_BOBBI_JO November 05, 2007, 05:30:27 PM
A thought has occurred to me before and again even stronger today and that is how having yeast/mold/fungus must be so very unhealthy for us. Because look how not only the Bible ( in the OT) talks about ways to get rid of it but also there seem to be so many plants that help get rid of it. Which IMO means God gave us all those plants to help get rid of the candidas so that we can live with better health.  To me that is clear that it is not good for us and we should be serious in getting rid of it. It is a shame it took us this long to figure it all out. Or  maybe the ppl in the old days did know it and it got lost throughout the years?

Turmeric and sage also help fight candida.

Does anyone know of a list of plants that fight candida? I mean a large more complete list?  All I ever see is partial list that repeat the same few plants over and over. I wish I had wrote down all the plant names that I have read in various places that fight candida.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: hodgy November 06, 2007, 02:19:52 AM
A thought has occurred to me before and again even stronger today and that is how having yeast/mold/fungus must be so very unhealthy for us. Because look how not only the Bible ( in the OT) talks about ways to get rid of it but also there seem to be so many plants that help get rid of it. Which IMO means God gave us all those plants to help get rid of the candidas so that we can live with better health.  To me that is clear that it is not good for us and we should be serious in getting rid of it. It is a shame it took us this long to figure it all out. Or  maybe the ppl in the old days did know it and it got lost throughout the years?

Turmeric and sage also help fight candida.

Does anyone know of a list of plants that fight candida? I mean a large more complete list?  All I ever see is partial list that repeat the same few plants over and over. I wish I had wrote down all the plant names that I have read in various places that fight candida.


I don't have and answer to your question, but I did want to comment on your assessment of God giving us plants to fight yeast/mold.   I too have thought about this, and have (only to myself) thought that's why the wise men gave Jesus the gifts of frankincense and  myrrh.  These help fight yeast and mold.  Also I have thought maybe  (other than being hot  ::)) that's why they wore open toed sandals, in order to air out their feet and keep them from getting moist and hot and athlete's foot prone. :D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: amy3js January 17, 2008, 04:36:08 PM
I have been using coconut oil in everything I cook to help fight yeast, but I was wondering if the coconut oil will still fight yeast after it has been warmed or cooked? It seems like it might not.....
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: skelliott2 January 17, 2008, 07:29:30 PM
Coconut oil is already cooked.  They have to heat it in the extraction process, so cooking won't hurt it. 
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: amy3js January 17, 2008, 07:56:54 PM
So even after being heated twice, it still fights the yeast? Thats awesome....
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock January 18, 2008, 04:33:54 AM
Not all coconut oil is heated in processing. Virgin Coconut Oil is the kind you need to fight yeast.
WR
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: amy3js January 18, 2008, 09:17:32 AM
Not all coconut oil is heated in processing. Virgin Coconut Oil is the kind you need to fight yeast.
WR

That is indeed what I have. Is virgin coconut oil not heated then? And should I NOT heat it to get the yeast fighting effects? I should probably google all this....... ::)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock January 18, 2008, 11:44:07 AM
I'm pretty sure that most if not all Virgin Coconut Oil is either not heated or is heated very little.

As to whether cooking ruins the anti-fungal properties, this is just my opinion but, I believe it depends on how hot it gets and how long it's heated. I cook with it myself.

WR
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: amy3js January 18, 2008, 03:02:22 PM
OK. Well I will have to do some more research then. Hopefully it holds at least some of its properties. Thanks!
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: skelliott2 January 18, 2008, 04:56:38 PM
The Tropical Traditions website answers lots of questions about coconut oil.  Here's what they say about virgin coconut oil and heat:



"Yes, Tropical Traditions Gold Label Virgin Coconut Oil is slightly heated at the end of the processing prior to packaging. This is to ensure that no moisture is present, and to draw all the oil out of the curds (coconut solids) that are formed by the natural oil separation process. This heat is very low (less than boiling temperatures), and is for a very short duration (10-15 minutes). Commercial coconut oils, by contrast, undergo steam deodorization at temperatures of around 400 degrees. Traditional methods of making coconut oil naturally have always used heat in the process, and we are committed to honoring time-tested traditional methods that have nourished populations in the tropics for thousands of years. Failure to use some heat in the extraction process can result in higher moisture content and shorter shelf life for Virgin Coconut Oils that do not use heat. More info.

7. Is Virgin Coconut Oil destroyed by heat? What about enzymes?

No, coconut oil is NOT destroyed or changed chemically in anyway from its original form by using low heat. Unlike other plant oils, the medium chain fatty acids are very resistant to any change via heat. Even commercial oils heated to a very high temperature have their medium chain fatty acids kept in tact. This makes coconut oil one of the best oils to use in cooking, because it does not break down easily."

It just says in that site to not heat above the smoking point.  At smoking point it becomes yellow, and starts breaking down.  So, just don't get the heat too high, use good quality oil, and you should be fine.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: amy3js January 18, 2008, 05:18:45 PM
Thank you for that!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. B January 21, 2008, 10:58:30 AM
I don't know whether to think this is funny, or just a sad statement, but nevertheless, I thought of HB when it was said.
I was at work this weekend and was taking care of a very critically ill patient.  One doctor placed the patient on an antibiotic for yeast and fungus, but the critical care specialist came in and immediately cancelled the medication.  (the patient had a "slightly positive" culture of yeast growing in his lungs)  When I questioned his decision to do this, his response was that everyone has yeast everywhere... if we were to treat it then everyone in America would need anti-yeast medication...
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 21, 2008, 03:15:42 PM
I don't know whether to think this is funny, or just a sad statement, but nevertheless, I thought of HB when it was said.
I was at work this weekend and was taking care of a very critically ill patient.  One doctor placed the patient on an antibiotic for yeast and fungus, but the critical care specialist came in and immediately cancelled the medication.  (the patient had a "slightly positive" culture of yeast growing in his lungs)  When I questioned his decision to do this, his response was that everyone has yeast everywhere... if we were to treat it then everyone in America would need anti-yeast medication...
Funny, my doctor basically said the same thing to me once upon a time, even knowing my history of infections related to yeast.   ::)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 13, 2008, 04:01:23 PM
Ok Ladies,
I'm ready to get serious about killing the yeast.  I did the 2 week no sugar and low carbs with just probiotics and was amazed at how strong the die off was in my kids.  I didn't feel too bad, though.  This week though we've slipped and eaten more sweets and carbs and I feel terrible.  I didn't realize how much I my overall wellness was affected by no sugar and the carbs. I'm on beeyoutiful getting ready to order the yeast asassin.  So my question is do I need the Tummy Tune up or will Kefir be enough probiotics?  I have a cow and goat so the kefir would be cheaper, but I think a pill would be easier to take.  Any thoughts on which is better or if I should do both?

Jammie
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: morningglory March 13, 2008, 04:04:39 PM
If I had fresh raw cow and goat milk on a regular basis, I would never bother with probiotics again.  I'm jealous. :-[  I would think that would be plenty for now, but you may want to look into other lacto-fermented foods like kombucha for the long term.
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: Whiterock March 13, 2008, 04:08:28 PM
If you can spare the money, I'd go ahead and get the TTU and take it and the kefir. If you can eat homemade kraut, yogurt, drink beet kavas, etc., then do that too.The more kinds of probiotics you can get, the better your digestion will be, IMO.

WR
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: pljammie March 14, 2008, 01:33:54 AM
I have kombucha and made beet kvass once, but it was WAY too salty. (I use the NT recipe).

thanks for the advice...headed to beeyoutiful to order some stuff.

Jammie
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: emb2x2 March 14, 2008, 06:34:59 AM
O.K.  I'm desperate.  I read the wonderful posts on this site, I spend LOTS of money and I get NO results.  I feel like I am the only crazy one.  For example, right now, I am fighting a yeast infection.  I am trying hard not to go with antibiotics, but I feel I have no choice.  I am taking Tummy Tune UP, Ultra Immune, Garlic pills, GSE tablets, eating yogurt, etc, etc, etc.  NO results.  I have spent SOO much money and I haven't had one thing work.  This isn't the first illness I have tried to treat naturally.  Please someone tell me if any of this really works!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock March 14, 2008, 07:04:07 AM
I have kombucha and made beet kvass once, but it was WAY too salty. (I use the NT recipe).

thanks for the advice...headed to beeyoutiful to order some stuff.

Jammie

Mix the kavas with some kombucha and it is actually pretty good.

WR
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: blessedmama March 14, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
O.K.  I'm desperate.  I read the wonderful posts on this site, I spend LOTS of money and I get NO results.  I feel like I am the only crazy one.  For example, right now, I am fighting a yeast infection.  I am trying hard not to go with antibiotics, but I feel I have no choice.  I am taking Tummy Tune UP, Ultra Immune, Garlic pills, GSE tablets, eating yogurt, etc, etc, etc.  NO results.  I have spent SOO much money and I haven't had one thing work.  This isn't the first illness I have tried to treat naturally.  Please someone tell me if any of this really works!

I've seen Forever Girl mention putting some tummy tune up, up inside and I have done this before and it was very helpful. You can even do it with yogurt.  I would personally do both, orally and vaginally. 
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: boysmama March 14, 2008, 07:19:31 AM
O.K.  I'm desperate.  I read the wonderful posts on this site, I spend LOTS of money and I get NO results.  I feel like I am the only crazy one.  For example, right now, I am fighting a yeast infection.  I am trying hard not to go with antibiotics, but I feel I have no choice.  I am taking Tummy Tune UP, Ultra Immune, Garlic pills, GSE tablets, eating yogurt, etc, etc, etc.  NO results.  I have spent SOO much money and I haven't had one thing work.  This isn't the first illness I have tried to treat naturally.  Please someone tell me if any of this really works!
I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time.  :'( The thing that you did not mention any change in is your diet/lifestyle habits. I know it is much easier to think we can just take natural supplements instead of the doc's drugs and things will be ok. The truth is that we have to change our bodies from the inside out. What we eat and drink, the things we put on our skin, when and how we sleep and excercise, and even our attitudes and emotions affect the new cells that are built each day. 
Yes, I have seen many of the things you mentioned work, but all these supplements are only a help and cannot substitute for a clean and natural diet, elimination of metal/chemical exposures, etc. Also some remedies work for one and not another because each situation is different, don't be discouraged.  :) Keep reading and incorporating change into your life and slowly but surely things will improve!
If you are struggling with yeast the most important thing IMO is to go off ALL sugar, grains, and starchy vegetables. Take the Immune, TTU, Garlic etc if you can afford it, but the dietary changes alone will make a difference.
I will be your cheerleader if you need/want one!  :) Better health naturally is possible!!!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 14, 2008, 07:20:07 AM
O.K.  I'm desperate.  I read the wonderful posts on this site, I spend LOTS of money and I get NO results.  I feel like I am the only crazy one.  For example, right now, I am fighting a yeast infection.  I am trying hard not to go with antibiotics, but I feel I have no choice.  I am taking Tummy Tune UP, Ultra Immune, Garlic pills, GSE tablets, eating yogurt, etc, etc, etc.  NO results.  I have spent SOO much money and I haven't had one thing work.  This isn't the first illness I have tried to treat naturally.  Please someone tell me if any of this really works!
I've seen Forever Girl mention putting some tummy tune up, up inside and I have done this before and it was very helpful. You can even do it with yogurt.  I would personally do both, orally and vaginally. 
the orginal blend will work vaginally, but I recommend the Acidophilus Blast.  The capsules dissolve better.   ::)
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: 4myhoonie March 14, 2008, 09:39:39 AM
O.K.  I'm desperate.  I read the wonderful posts on this site, I spend LOTS of money and I get NO results.  I feel like I am the only crazy one.  For example, right now, I am fighting a yeast infection.  I am trying hard not to go with antibiotics, but I feel I have no choice.  I am taking Tummy Tune UP, Ultra Immune, Garlic pills, GSE tablets, eating yogurt, etc, etc, etc.  NO results.  I have spent SOO much money and I haven't had one thing work.  This isn't the first illness I have tried to treat naturally.  Please someone tell me if any of this really works!

in beginning the anti-candida diet, i started to get a yeast infection.  just barely, so i peeled and bruised a garlic clove (lg) and put it in there.  it stayed fine all night, so i tried it again for day.  i was amazed!  it stayed in and the yeast inf. disappeared.  cheap and easy!  i just do this whenever i start to feel the beginning of one.  also, garlic water douche--it stings, but works.  good luck!
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: skelliott2 March 14, 2008, 10:44:36 AM
O.K.  I'm desperate.  I read the wonderful posts on this site, I spend LOTS of money and I get NO results.  I feel like I am the only crazy one.  For example, right now, I am fighting a yeast infection.  I am trying hard not to go with antibiotics, but I feel I have no choice.  I am taking Tummy Tune UP, Ultra Immune, Garlic pills, GSE tablets, eating yogurt, etc, etc, etc.  NO results.  I have spent SOO much money and I haven't had one thing work.  This isn't the first illness I have tried to treat naturally.  Please someone tell me if any of this really works!
I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time.  :'( The thing that you did not mention any change in is your diet/lifestyle habits. I know it is much easier to think we can just take natural supplements instead of the doc's drugs and things will be ok. The truth is that we have to change our bodies from the inside out. What we eat and drink, the things we put on our skin, when and how we sleep and excercise, and even our attitudes and emotions affect the new cells that are built each day. 
Yes, I have seen many of the things you mentioned work, but all these supplements are only a help and cannot substitute for a clean and natural diet, elimination of metal/chemical exposures, etc. Also some remedies work for one and not another because each situation is different, don't be discouraged.  :) Keep reading and incorporating change into your life and slowly but surely things will improve!
If you are struggling with yeast the most important thing IMO is to go off ALL sugar, grains, and starchy vegetables. Take the Immune, TTU, Garlic etc if you can afford it, but the dietary changes alone will make a difference.
I will be your cheerleader if you need/want one!  :) Better health naturally is possible!!!

I definitely second that.  When we did a yeast cure, we didn't use any supplements except fish oil and kefir.  We did, however, watch every bite we put into our mouths.  Only whole, natural foods from the OK list.  It worked!!
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: NotLuckyButBlessed March 14, 2008, 12:06:56 PM
Have you tried inserting a capsule filled with boric acid inside 2-3 X's per day? My MD told me about this when I was pg with my first baby and had my one and only infection. It worked like a dream and I have had no reoccurences. If I ever feel it could be starting, I do this immediately and it never develops, although even that has been years, thank God.

Also checking into whether or not you have  leaky gut and tretaing that can be very helpful. I think I've posted here before about my friend who struggled with candida/yeast overgrowth for 20 years or so and never could seem to get it managed with diet and etc. (no gluten, etc.) Her chiro trated her with aloe vera gel each morning and night for 30 days for leaky gut then did a cheap and easy yeast treatment and she has had NO problems with yeast or allergies in 2 years since. Her teen son was also treated this way and is well now too, with no allergy problems.

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Sparkys9 March 14, 2008, 03:57:25 PM
The boric acid treatment is perfectly safe and more effective than creams, etc.
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: emb2x2 March 14, 2008, 04:05:08 PM
You all are so kind to reply.  I am encouraged already!  Where do you find boric acid?
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: yasmine March 14, 2008, 04:08:44 PM
 hey Emb2x2 ok ready? Her is what I believe works... when I was pregnant , I had a horrendous yeast infection, it is practically all i remember from my 4th pregnancy. i was eating tons of yogurt with crushed garlic in it. It was worse!!! no sugar, no bread , nada bad food. no processed food, ect. no fruit

Tons of yogurt.. I ate it at least 3 times a day with at least 1- 3 cloves of garlic in it!

ok enter a Candida, gluten free diet.

Try No DAIRY!!!!
it worked for me! starve the little buggers. Consume no fruit.

eat only, meat and vegetables and gluten free steel cut oats with no sweetener(setvias ok), for breakfast,..../. 2 WEEKS! I'll bet you'll be great after that, I tell everyone I know to try this diet, it has been a life saver.

Although yogurt and Kefir are excellent for the intestine, for some reason, some individuals cannot rid themselves of yeast with any form of dairy,... yogurt and Kefir are dairy forms. Candida thrive on dairy.. well mine did , anyway!


By the way In case anyone thought it was a die off, The yeast infection lasted continually for 1/2 my pregnancy.

in case you did want to try it, you can eat potatoes too, just not too many styarchy vegies, I try to eat as much meat as I can then move on to the vegies so /I fill up on the meat.. that is what satisfies , and then you can make it on the diet!
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: NotLuckyButBlessed March 14, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
You all are so kind to reply.  I am encouraged already!  Where do you find boric acid?

You can find boric acid at about any drug, grocery or natural foods market. It comes as a powder in a small jar. It is pretty cheap too. If you can't easily find empty capsules, ask the pharmacist for some, size 0 is what my doc told me.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: blessedmama March 17, 2008, 07:15:30 AM
I just finished a Candida cleanse last Monday and I am very happy to report that my lactose intolerance is completely gone!!  I have suffered for 11 years having a hard time with dairy and over the last few months found raw milk cheese, which we will continue to eat because of health benefits but I have eaten a small slice of cheesecake and enchiladas last night with melted cheese and no ill side effects!!  Wahoo!!  ;D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 17, 2008, 08:35:58 AM
Yeast Assassin just came in the mail just now...wow they are fast.  I took one pill and will take the other tonight.  I'm planning on taking the acidophilus blast after lunch.  Hopefully, my goat's milk will be colostrum free in the next day or two and I can add kefir to yeast cleanse.  The colostrum would probably be great for me, but it tastes terrible. :P  Can I still have kombucha?  I have homemade as well as GT's which couldn't possibly have any sugar left. :P

OK...gotta get back to sewing...I'm cutting it close on the Easter dresses. :o

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 17, 2008, 09:10:30 AM
One more question about the yeast cleanse.  I'm reading The Yeast Connection and it says that the author always treats the spouse as well as it is likely they have at least a small yeast problem.  Anyone have their hubby join them in the cleanse? 

O...my birthday is Sunday (Easter)...do you think it would be ok to make a sugar free cheesecake with splenda?  I know splenda is bad, but I think I'll be very bad if I don't have a tasty alternative to birthday cake and sweet potatoes topped with marshmallows...lol...I'd try stevia, but I don't have any experience baking with it.

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie March 17, 2008, 09:52:47 AM
my hubby and i both failed the spit test, and so are both doing the cleanse. 

i am surprised at blessedmama's being able to just do two weeks of it and that's it!  you must not have had it very bad.  it took HB over 10 mo!  i expected this to be a long haul.   :o 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 18, 2008, 04:56:28 AM
I don't think hubby will spit in a cup for me, but he will take any pill I give him...lol.  Maybe he doesn't need it...he does drink tons of kombucha and kefir and doesn't have a sugar addiction like me.

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie March 18, 2008, 05:20:38 AM
I don't think hubby will spit in a cup for me, but he will take any pill I give him...lol.  Maybe he doesn't need it...he does drink tons of kombucha and kefir and doesn't have a sugar addiction like me.

Jammie

my hubby doesn't have a sugar addiction exactly, he doesn't really like anything "sugary".  but he does like other carbs a real lot.  he drinks Kombucha, very fermented, but he craves other things like pizza, chili and other guy foods.  just something to think about. 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: emb2x2 March 20, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
How do you do a Candida cleanse?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt March 21, 2008, 08:03:13 AM
How do you do a Candida cleanse?

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)

Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1400.0.html)
Fungal-Bacterial Infections (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3248.0.html)
Treating Children for Candida/Yeast (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3461.0.html)
Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Treating Candida [Yeast] While Pregnant [or Nursing] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2592.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Low Carb Recipes [Atkins, Anti-Candida, High Protein, etc.] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15332.msg145608.html#msg145608)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Fighting Candida w/o Sugar [Carb] Restrictions (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1923.0.html)
Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html)
Die-Off from Candida/Yeast: Causes, Effects, Risks & Reduction (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,425.0.html)
Leaky Gut:  The Cause of it All? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,603.msg5890.html#msg5890)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 23, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
Does anyone know any reason not to take Yeast Assassin if you have had serious problems with bleeding ulcers?  Has anyone experienced a burning sensation in their stomache after taking YA?


Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 23, 2008, 03:15:03 PM
RE: bleeding ulcers...I started my MIL on the YA yesterday.  She took 2 last night and 2 this am.  She just called and her stomach is really burning after her evening dose.  She didn't eat a full meal with them like she did the last two times.  She has bleeding ulcers that have required blood transfusions in the past and still are not completely healed.  I'm really hoping I haven't hurt her. :-[

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T March 23, 2008, 03:18:35 PM
I read cayenne heals ulcers.  I'm not sure about bleeding ulcers but it's worth looking into.  I haven't had those but the YA was fine with me.  Someone else needs to address that issue but I'd think , if anything, it would help.  Did you check the die off symptom thread?  It could also be replacing the stomach acid that has 'gone away' if you've taken lots of acid reducers.  You actually need the acid to break down your food.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie March 23, 2008, 03:25:58 PM
She said the burning stopped after taking two acidopholus blasts.  She does regularly take acid reducers.  I also did a quick google and found that oregano, pau d'arco, and black walnut hulls are all supposed to heal ulcers.  However, I read that Worwood should not be taken if you have stomache or intestinal ulcers.  I think she has both.  Her gut is in terrible shape, which is why I suggested the Yeast cleanse.  I guess I'll read more about cleansing the yeast without YA.  I told her not to take anymore for right now and I'll do some more research.

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie March 24, 2008, 04:30:36 AM
also, i would definitely make sure she always takes it with food. 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: bpryor April 18, 2008, 05:11:32 AM
There are so many message boards on this topic, I wasn't sure where to post this.  I had a really stubborn yeast infection that didn't go away with regular treatment (boric acid is what I used.)  So I did a 2 week yeast cleanse, had die-off, supplemented with probiotics, caprylic acid, the whole 9 yards.

So this is my question - I'm starting to add back in other foods slowly.  What happens if the infection comes back?  Do I need to start all over or can I just take a step back and limit foods?  I don't want to have to do this again, but I don't want to live in paranoia!

Also, what foods are the worst of the worst?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 18, 2008, 05:23:26 AM
There are so many message boards on this topic, I wasn't sure where to post this.  I had a really stubborn yeast infection that didn't go away with regular treatment (boric acid is what I used.)  So I did a 2 week yeast cleanse, had die-off, supplemented with probiotics, caprylic acid, the whole 9 yards.

So this is my question - I'm starting to add back in other foods slowly.  What happens if the infection comes back?  Do I need to start all over or can I just take a step back and limit foods?  I don't want to have to do this again, but I don't want to live in paranoia!

Also, what foods are the worst of the worst?

Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)
Low Carb Recipes [Atkins, Anti-Candida, High Protein, etc.] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15332.msg145608.html#msg145608)
Natural Antifungals (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,695.0.html)
Fighting Candida w/o Sugar [Carb] Restrictions (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1923.0.html)
I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: bpryor April 18, 2008, 07:57:01 AM
Thanks for those links.  The only thing I'm still confused about is if I will have to do another cleanse if I notice symptoms again.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie April 25, 2008, 04:39:56 PM
I vote that yes you would need to do another cleanse if you have symptoms again.  Maybe figure out what is causing the yeast imbalance.  Are you taking b/c pills, aleve, lots of antibiotics, etc?  Did you use probiotics to restore the good flora? 

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie April 25, 2008, 04:41:56 PM
quick question...

If a rash is due to yeast overgrowth, would a topical anti-yeast cream help that?  DS and I both have terrible eczema and I wondered if that would help the rashes go away in conjuction with dietary changes and supplements?

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt April 27, 2008, 06:21:02 AM
I vote that yes you would need to do another cleanse if you have symptoms again.  Maybe figure out what is causing the yeast imbalance.  Are you taking b/c pills, aleve, lots of antibiotics, etc?  Did you use probiotics to restore the good flora? 

Jammie
The cremes may help alleviate discomfort but I doubt that it would be a permanent fix alone.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: CountyCork April 27, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
Reading through all this stuff has helped me recognize that I have a situation to deal with! 
Symptoms:
constipation
digestive issues (acidic, gassy, etc.)
weight gain from carbs
carb cravings
acne
two yeast infections in the last few months (haven't had in 15 years!)

So my plan is:
eliminate refined carbs, sugars, etc.
take TTU and YA
add kefir every day
include Water Cure

Anything else that would be key?  I generally feel healthy and energetic, have a good diet, etc., but want to clear up these last few issues.  Am not pg or nursing, so now's a good time.

Thank you!
Jill
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: CountyCork April 28, 2008, 03:32:57 AM
Bump
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: floydian April 28, 2008, 03:47:17 AM
Bump

T Tapp   ;D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: CountyCork April 28, 2008, 03:53:48 AM
Bump

T Tapp   ;D

You are a nasty piece of sunshine FLO!  Good thing I've had my coffee!   ;D ;D ;D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: floydian April 28, 2008, 03:58:17 AM
Bump

T Tapp   ;D

You are a nasty piece of sunshine FLO!  Good thing I've had my coffee!   ;D ;D ;D

You are my sundshine
My only sundshine
You make me happyyyyyyy
When skys are grey.....
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: CountyCork April 28, 2008, 07:29:31 AM
Cute and fully redeemed!  And terribly off topic, you bad girl.  Or was that me?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Grace May 15, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
How many carbs do can you eat on a candida diet. I saw a post on here that 25 carbs per day was good. Is that the most you can have? Or would more still be good and it still possible to kill candida?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt May 16, 2008, 04:26:31 AM
How many carbs do can you eat on a candida diet. I saw a post on here that 25 carbs per day was good. Is that the most you can have? Or would more still be good and it still possible to kill candida?

Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)

It's just a guideline, not a rule.  Read the above thread from the beginning to see where I came up with it.  This is the standard I used based on principals I learned in the Protein Power book (much like Atkins) and having done this diet in the past, I mixed my experience and my research and concluded the reason I had such an increase in health/energy was not necessarily because I wasn't supposed to ever eat sugars, but probably because during my diet I had temporarily wiped out the yeast in my body, because I didn't heal the gut and reestablish good flora in the gut, once I went off the diet, eventually the yeast came back and grew out of proportion again.

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie May 16, 2008, 05:18:18 AM
i agree with HB, just see what your body tells you.  i notice a definite increase in symptoms when i go over 30 carbs or so.  i am frustrated that it seems my yeast is more sensitive now than before i began treating.  i cannot even tolerate a bit of granola, or ww bread.  anyone else find this to be true?  i am not allergic to either.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie May 31, 2008, 03:04:47 AM
We both also have a ton of allergies and our hope is that getting the candida under control will help to alleviate some of those allergies...especially the foods. 
Jammie

i moved this over to here to stay on topic, Jammie, i wonder if you abstain from your food allergens when you do the candida diet?   i was on a food allergy diet years ago, abstaining from milk and all dairy, eggs, beef, bananas, mushrooms, and something else which i can't remember.  i just wonder if i had done both at the same time if it would have been more effective.  i ate a lot of beans etc. at that time, to replace the protein i was getting from those things.  i think i would just be eating chicken at every meal, ???  if i couldn't eat cheese, beef & eggs.  the eggs don't seem to bother me anymore, and cheese either.  i can also do yogurt, but not milk much at all.  anyway, i was just curious to see how you do it?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: jenibee June 04, 2008, 04:09:29 AM
I just thought I'd throw this in here - somebody probably posted it before, but it's always good for a refresher!  :) 

 Dr. William Crook's Candida Quiz  (http://www.mall-net.com/cgibin/quiz4.cgi?quiz=crook.qa)

I got this link from another fantastic Candida site:

 Healing Naturally by Bee  (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2.php)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie June 14, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
hi gals, i just thought i would post my most recent experience here as i have been treating yeast/leaky gut for almost 5 mo.  i have had a really bad leaky gut for about 20 years.  i was doing the 25 or so carb diet, using probiotics daily, and taking yeast killing herbs.  i was still drinking coffee or tea with cream, no sugar.  i use a lot of low carb tortillas and salad, cuz it makes it really easy to get myself fed without a huge amount of extra trouble.  i was frustrated, cuz it seemed like i wasn't making any progress.  oh, and i almost never pooped.   :P ::)  so i recently added in whole grains, like granola or toast in small amounts.  usually i will have one or the other in a day, not both.  i upped my probiotics so i was taking 2 acidophilus and a Primal Defense Ultra (one of the bacteria it has eats sugars) at the start of the day (i would often eat breakfast before getting them in), and the same thing between meals and sometimes before bed.  what has happened for me has been miraculous.  i am "regular" every morning, all my other symptoms have disappeared.  i have been using 2 to 3 spoonfuls of honey in my 2-3 cups of tea with 1/2 and 1/2, and even ate an apple the other day!!!  i don't have to turn away a bite of something when my little one wants to share now.  i am even having an occasional glass of wine.  i just thought my experience might help someone else who is struggling with yeast.  i am excited to stay on this diet for as long as i need to with the supplements.  also, i am finally going on a trip this summer for a week and am glad to be able to eat while i am gone and not be completely scared of how the food will affect me!  press on--i never thought i would get this far!   ;D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: skelliott2 June 16, 2008, 02:08:56 PM
That's so great!!!  Good job!  So, do you think it's adding the extra probiotics that made the difference, or just the amount of time you've been on the diet, or both?? 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie June 16, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
That's so great!!!  Good job!  So, do you think it's adding the extra probiotics that made the difference, or just the amount of time you've been on the diet, or both?? 

not sure exactly.  i think the  probiotics helped drastically.  i also switched yeast killing herbs and added the grains at the same time.  i am backing up a bit now, cuz i ate small piece of cake last night and a few other minor things i wouldn't normally.  so going to go easy the next few days.  i will let you know what happens! 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: skelliott2 June 16, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Yes, I think the probiotics were a big key for us as well.  We used coconut kefir, but it probably did the same thing as taking the capsules.  I'm thinking that's a big part of what's missing from the yeast diets.  The major yeast diet books don't tend to emphasize the importance of replacing the bad yeast with the good probiotics.

Hope the good results keep coming!!!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Whiterock June 29, 2008, 05:11:53 AM
I read something about yeast, just recently, that was news to me. It may have been posted here before and I didn't see it, so forgive me if I'm repeating. But it said that Candida can cause chronic hives.

WR
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt July 31, 2008, 09:47:28 AM
Just wondering if anyone has ever tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) for yeast or other intestinal issues? It is from the book Breaking the Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall. I saw it mentioned once way back on the thread in 2006, but no one commented about it. Anyway, my Dr. wants me to go on this diet because it allows the gut to heal. You only eat easily digestible foods, but it also starves the yeast. I have had many results just by using the 24 hour yogurt -- 700 billion organisms in a cup! -- but I have not had the will power to plunge into the entire diet. Anyone ever try it?  Here is the web site:  http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/




http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,19656.0.html
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix August 01, 2008, 06:46:42 AM
Wow, all this information & how our bodies work simply amazes & frightens me at the same time.  I'm pretty sure my whole family has at least some of the symptoms of candida overgrowth.  I want to try to take some steps for the better.  I've read/skimmed all of this thread, and a couple other threads, so I think I understand what to do.  But, I want to ask & clarify:

1) It IS possible to fight candida on a strict diet alone, right?  (can't afford any supplements)...who has had success with a strict diet alone?

2) If I could afford just ONE supplement, which ONE would be best to get?  I think I've seen probiotics at walmart before....does anyone know if something from walmart would be ok? 

3) Wanted to confirm that AFTER getting rid of ALL candida problems, then it would be ok to consume fruits/grains/etc again in moderation?

4) I want my kids to eat better...I know that at least one of them is addicted to grains/sugars....how do you convince/deal with a child who will NOT eat anything else?  Maybe change one thing at a time?  If so, of the following, which would be best to eliminate first?  a) strawberry-flavored milk (H&P milk)  b) koolaid   c) sweet treats  d) breads/crackers/tortillas  or e) pasta ??

5) Also want to confirm that supplements need not be taken forever if you get the candida under control & you stick to a healthy diet?

6) Confirm that a probiotic should always be taken no matter what?  IOW, forever?

7) Also, it just occurred to me that God knew what he was doing when He told the Israelites to eat unleavened bread.  Unleavened means without yeast, right?  For some reason, society today thinks that yeast is good...but in reality it's not?  Also, what IS unleavened bread?  Is it like a cracker or a pita-type thing?  Can it bought in stores, or does it have to be made?  Once candida is under control, can unleavened bread be eaten? 

8 ) Also, just wanted to share how much of an impact grains/sugars really do have!  This morning, I woke up & had dried figs & unsalted peanuts & a bunch of water for breakfast (strange, I know, but it was all I had in the house that seemed somewhat safe).  Anyway, I felt fine all morning.  But, then for lunch, in an attempt to eat up leftovers, I had a tuna fish sandwich (tuna, mayo, sweet relish on wheat bread) and a soft taco (seasoned ground beef, shredded cheese, diced tomatoes, & a flour tortilla).  (keep in mind, all this is stuff from walmart).  Within 30 minutes, I was very, very gassy.....very tired/sleepy....very, very hot....and feeling irritable...having brain fog...having a hard time concentrating/typing...just feeling weird/strange all around.  So, yep, definitely had something to do with what I ate! 

***And now I'm wondering what can I do to get rid of these symptoms ASAP!***    :D
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: skelliott2 August 01, 2008, 02:28:48 PM
Well, here's a few answers:

1) yes, you can fight it with diet alone.  That's what we did.  We did, however make our own probiotics.  I used coconut kefir, but you could also use milk kefir (cheaper and easier), or possible kombucha (there's conflicting info. about kombucha, but it might be worth trying since it's so cheap and easy)

2) Now vitamins makes a good pro-biotic called gr8dophilus.  It's the same thing as beeyoutiful tummy tune-up.  I'm not sure about the Wal-Mart brand.

3) Yes, after candida is healed, you can slowly add restricted foods back.  But, if you're not careful, symptoms can return.

4) There are two schools of thought on the dealing with children.  Some just slowly change out foods, and get them to eat cultured food.  Example, eat two bites of sourkraut, then you can have a cracker.  Eventually the child will eat only healthier foods.  I didn't do it this way.  We just went cold turkey.  I went through the pantry/refrigerator, and just threw out or gave away everything we couldn't eat anymore.  I was really surprised how much junk was actually in our supposedly healthy kitchen.  :)  I just explained to the kids that the bad yeasts in their stomachs were making them want to eat sweets so badly, because the bad yeasts were dying.  This was just the yeasts trying to live another day.  So, we just muscled through it, and within a few days, the cravings were mostly gone.  It's just up to you as to how you think you can handle this.  When you restrict sweet foods, but allow some, the cravings just keep on coming, so, I decided that in our house, I'd rather have three bad days, than weeks and weeks of fighting cravings and restricting food that was in the house.  We made it, and life went on...

5)   No, you don't have to supplement forever.  You don't even have to supplement at all if you are extremely vigilant with diet.  But, you do want to get probiotics one way or another--drinks and cultured veggies are the way we did it.

6) If you don't want a recurring yeast problem, it's a good idea to always get some form of probiotic--supplement, kefir, etc.

7) Yeast is a relatively new thing.  Most people used to eat sourdough, and that is digested better.  So, after a yeast diet is finished, I'd recommend sourdough or flatbread on a daily basis.  A little yeast sometimes isn't going to instantly start a new overgrowth, but it's always a good idea to watch the bread when you're prone to yeast problems.  I make my own flatbread in a dehydrator, but I'm sure you could find some in a store if you looked.

8) Yeah, food does make a big difference!  Good job on figuring that out, and wanting to do something about it!  Hope it goes well!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix August 03, 2008, 03:32:54 AM
Thanks, skelliott2, for your answers!!   :)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix August 03, 2008, 03:47:10 AM
Also, I saw at Kroger this probiotic:

Sundown Naturals brand Acidophilus XTRA

ingredients:

Lactobacillus Acidophilus
B. Lactis
Lactobacillus Bulgaricus
Steptococcus Thermophilus

(other ingredients:  dextrose, cellulose-plant origin, maltodextrin, silica, vegetable stearic acid, vegetable magnesium stearate)

it says it provides 40 million CFU's

it says to take 2/day, with meals, & to refrigerate after opening.

So, what do you think - does this sound like a good probiotic?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix August 05, 2008, 01:08:36 AM
Also, I saw at Kroger this probiotic:

Sundown Naturals brand Acidophilus XTRA

ingredients:

Lactobacillus Acidophilus
B. Lactis
Lactobacillus Bulgaricus
Steptococcus Thermophilus

(other ingredients:  dextrose, cellulose-plant origin, maltodextrin, silica, vegetable stearic acid, vegetable magnesium stearate)

it says it provides 40 million CFU's

it says to take 2/day, with meals, & to refrigerate after opening.

So, what do you think - does this sound like a good probiotic?

Anyone?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama August 05, 2008, 03:28:48 AM
Maybe not the absolute best ( 40 million instead of 2-4 billion), but certainly better than nothing. Consider in the price difference that you'd have to take (6 or so) to match 1 of the tummy tune up.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 05, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
Read this post for some step-by-step guidelines, suggestions and many of the related links that should answer many of your questions.

I Think I Have Candida and/or Leaky Gut:  What Now? (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644)

I want my kids to eat better...I know that at least one of them is addicted to grains/sugars....how do you convince/deal with a child who will NOT eat anything else?

Picky Eaters -- training strategies & considerations (http://www.7xsunday.net/forum/index.php/topic,580.0.html)
Health Challenged Husbands: Winning Hubby Over to a Healthier Way of Life (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3552.0.html)
Begin/Start a Healthier Diet/Lifestyle (http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1782.0.html)
It IS possible to fight candida on a strict diet alone, right?  (can't afford any supplements)...who has had success with a strict diet alone?

Candida Cleanse Without Supplements (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
Foods to Eat While Fighting Candida (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,995.0.html)

Also, it just occurred to me that God knew what he was doing when He told the Israelites to eat unleavened bread.  Unleavened means without yeast, right?  For some reason, society today thinks that yeast is good...but in reality it's not?  Also, what IS unleavened bread?  Is it like a cracker or a pita-type thing?  Can it bought in stores, or does it have to be made?  Once candida is under control, can unleavened bread be eaten?

Candida Albicans vs Other Yeasts: Are All Yeasts Created Equal (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3101.0.html)
Low Carb Recipes [Atkins, Anti-Candida, High Protein, etc.] (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,15332.msg145608.html#msg145608)





: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. Visionary August 06, 2008, 05:12:32 PM
H.B.
I am so glad that you posted the info. about the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.
It helped explain for me why I can get away with eating a piece of apple but not anything with flour in it. Very interesting. I'm planning read a little more about it as I have time.
H.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie August 06, 2008, 06:06:08 PM
That's so great!!!  Good job!  So, do you think it's adding the extra probiotics that made the difference, or just the amount of time you've been on the diet, or both?? 

not sure exactly.  i think the  probiotics helped drastically.  i also switched yeast killing herbs and added the grains at the same time.  i am backing up a bit now, cuz i ate small piece of cake last night and a few other minor things i wouldn't normally.  so going to go easy the next few days.  i will let you know what happens! 

well, i said i'd post my experience, so here goes.................i am sad to say, i have not been the same since.  i guess i need to go back to square one and eat almost no carbs.  i have more problems now than i did when i started.  whenever i start to eat a more carbs than the 25 to 30, i get NEW symptoms which are completely unpleasant.  i really don't know what to think at this point.  i'm getting really wore out of not eating anything fun, and making no progress.  or at least it seems that way.   :P  what's up with that "specific" carb thing?  some of the things she lists would send my yeast into overdrive.  i'm confused about that!   ::) 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: skelliott2 August 07, 2008, 03:54:19 AM
You know, I just found this site:

http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Flatten-Your-Tummy-and-End-Food-Cravings-EFFORTLESSLY

What do you think?  To good to be true??  Might be worth trying!

I'm sorry your symptoms are worse again.  What a bummer.  Hope you can figure it out!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: khix August 07, 2008, 04:46:12 AM
A Candida-Cancer Connection:

From Dr. Mercola (mercola.com):

Cancer, which surpassed heart disease as the number one killer in America in 2005, is still considered “a mystery” in conventional medicine. In fact, the term “cancer” is just a generic term that in no way describes its cause.

In this video, Doug Kaufman – a longtime proponent of the influence of fungi in human disease -- interviews the Italian oncologist Dr. Tullio Simoncini -- author of Cancer is a Fungus -- who shares fascinating new information about what he believes is the root of all cancers: fungi, and discusses a radically different path for curing cancer; sometimes in as little as a few days.

Conventional Cancer Treatments – Ineffective and Dangerous “Cures”

Currently, if you are diagnosed with cancer, especially in the U.S., you are given three options:

Surgery
Chemotherapy
Radiation
However, as mentioned in this video, finding actual statistics on the effectiveness of these treatments is very difficult. You’d think if something is the best medicine has to offer, they’d be more than happy to share their level of success.

Most people are given a 50/50 chance of dying from cancer, in general. And conventional treatments are touted as your best shot at surviving. 

But is it true?

According to Dr. Simoncini’s website, polls and questionnaires show that a full 75 percent of doctors say they’d refuse chemotherapy if they were struck with cancer due to its ineffectiveness and its devastating side effects. 

Many doctors have spoken out about it, yet their voices are still ignored. For example, Dr. Allen Levin, MD, author of The Healing of Cancer, has said, “The majority of the cancer patients in this country die because of chemotherapy, which does not cure breast, colon or lung cancer. This has been documented for over a decade and nevertheless doctors still utilize chemotherapy to fight these tumors.”

Professor Gorge Mathe similarly stated, “If I were to contract cancer, I would never turn to a certain standard for the therapy of this disease. Cancer patients who stay away from these centers have some chance to make it.”

So, how effective is chemotherapy?

There is at least one study that I know of that addresses this very question. Published in the journal Clinical Oncology in December 2004, the results of this study were astounding, showing that chemotherapy has an average 5-year survival success rate of just over 2 percent for all cancers!



In the U.S., chemo was most successful in treating testicular cancer and Hodgkin’s disease, where its success rate fell just below 38 percent and slightly over 40 percent respectively. 

Still well below the 50/50 mark… 

A review of chemo on 5-year survival rates in Australia garnered almost identical results, with a 2.3 percent success rate, compared to the U.S. 2.1 percent rate of success.

And yet this is the best that conventional medicine has up its sleeve for treating this widespread killer.

What Causes Cancer?

Conventional medicine likes to focus on the impact of genetics as a causative agent in developing cancer, despite the fact that research indicates that genetics is not the main cause of this widespread phenomenon, even though it may play a small role in some people. Unfortunately, little attention is paid to the impact of plain and simple infections.

Dr. Simoncini’s research has led him to believe that something as simple as a fungus, Candida, is the leading cause of cancer; that cancer itself is in fact a fungus. What we refer to as a tumor, is nothing more than your body’s attempt at protecting itself from that fungus.

He brings up an analogy between psoriasis – an “incurable” disease of the skin that many treat as a fungus – and tumors, which are also an “incurable” disease of your body. Several studies have linked the presence of Candida with cancer, showing that anywhere between 79 to 97 percent of all cancer patients also have Candida.

Dr. Simoncini’s explanation for how this phenomenon works – how Candida leads to deadly cancer – is that it’s a consequence of the weakening and exhaustion of your organs, and eventually your entire body, in the following stages:

Candida roots itself in your deep connective tissue in various organs
As a result, this evokes an organic defensive reaction as the connective tissue of your invaded organ attempts to encyst the fungin colonies through cellular hyper-production, which results in the formation of tumors
Growths continue as the fungi spreads, both in your surrounding tissue, and remotely (aka “metastatis”). It is still always the same Candida attacking different tissues, but due to its highly adaptive qualities it is able to mutate to adapt itself to whatever environment it finds itself in, hence the various types of tumors
Your body becomes progressively more exhausted, which allows the fungi to spread and take over more rapidly
You die from “cancer”
If Cancer is a Fungus, Then What is the Cure?

In the video, Dr. Simoncini shows actual before-and-after footage of both bronchial cancer and colon cancer. Four days after his revolutionary and mind-blowingly simple treatment for bronchial cancer with a sodium bicarbonate and water flush, the tumors are gone…

Sodium bicarbonate, a.k.a baking soda, is the most potent anti-fungal substance there is. The problem with anti-fungal drugs, however, is that fungi are extremely adaptive, and can adapt to a new environment in three to four days. This renders anti-fungal drugs largely ineffective. The fungi do not adapt to the baking soda, but it is far more difficult to use as it needs to be injected directly into the tumor; swallowing the baking soda would not work at all.

Candida yeast is not “one shared element,” so to speak, but rather “social elements,” or colonies, that are highly communicative.

Because of their unique adaptation skills, sodium bicarbonate must be administered directly onto the tumor, and in so doing changing its ph very quickly, from acid to alkaline, which quickly and effectively kills off the yeast before it has time to adapt.

For example, Dr. Simoncini’s experience has shown that 99 percent of breast- and bladder cancer can heal in just six days, entirely without the use of surgery, chemo or radiation, using just a local infiltration device (such as a catheter) to deliver the sodium bicarbonate directly to the infected site in your breast tissue or bladder.

Why the Baking Soda Cancer Cure is Not Available Everywhere

Unfortunately, Dr. Simoncini is yet another brilliant doctor who has been ousted from the medical community due to his revolutionary simple ideas of how to cure profit-making diseases. 

So many people refuse to believe that this is true and that it’s happening to good doctors, since “everyone knows” you must be a liability to human life if you’re stripped of your medical license. 

But the reason why Dr. Simoncini was kicked out is because as an oncologist – a cancer specialist -- he refused to use conventional cancer treatment methods, choosing instead to administer sodium bicarbonate, which is HARMLESS, as opposed to the often lethal use of chemotherapy. 

His lawyers have recently started a rehabilitation court trial at the International Court of Justice in Strassburg to have him reinstated.

Preventive Measures – Combating Candida

If the cause of cancer is the Candida fungus, then what is the root cause of the fungi? And how can you tell you might have too much yeast in your body, which might eventually lead to the formation of cancer?

A good sign that Candida is on the loose is feeling “run down” and developing a craving for sugars and carbohydrates, as this is the main fuel for the growing amounts of yeast in your intestine. The more sugar and grains you eat, the more the yeast grows out of control. Eventually, this will weaken your immune system, which in turn can allow it to infiltrate various other organs.

This imbalance in intestinal flora, sometimes called dysbiosis, can also lead to other more common, and less lethal, health problems, such as:

Vaginitis
Irritable bowel syndrome
Weight gain
Food allergies
Migraines
Asthma
Depression
Chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia
There are 79 different toxins released by the metabolism and die-off of Candida. This is why people with yeast overgrowth often feel so lousy; the Candida toxins are regularly entering their bloodstream. Two of these toxins, alcohol and acetaldehyde (the breakdown product of alcohol that causes hangovers), are in such high amounts in people with chronic yeast problems that you may actually end up feeling “drunk.”

Acetaldehyde also reacts with the neurotransmitter dopamine, which is why people with yeast overgrowth often experience mental and emotional disturbances such as anxiety, depression, poor concentration, and feeling spaced-out.

How to Cure a Yeast Overgrowth

For more on Candida and holistic treatment options, I recommend you review my previous article, Holistic Treatment for Candida Infection. The highlights of the treatments for yeast overgrowth include:



The Right Diet and Exercise -- A diet rich in meats, chicken, eggs, seeds and nuts, vegetables, and healthy oils (free range and organic) -- while avoiding sugars and carbohydrate-rich foods -- will restrict the amount of fuel the yeast in your intestine has available to it. I would add to this to make your diet in tune with your nutritional type. Once you’ve started on the diet, exercising will begin to rebalance the levels of neurotransmitters in your brain and improve your mood. One of the elements of diet that does seem counter intuitive is the absolute restriction of even fruits when one is seeking to eliminate yeast, as even the tiniest amounts of sugar seem to worsen this condition.

Getting Plenty of Good Bacteria -- You will want to increase your probiotic (good bacteria) intake with a high-quality probiotic supplement or by eating cultured and fermented foods, such as natto. These contain the good bacteria that keep your vagina and gastrointestinal tract healthy and will ultimately replace the Candida.

Avoiding Exposure to Chemicals -- Paints, household cleaners, perfumes and scents may cause allergic reactions, and chemical sensitivities are very common in people with yeast overgrowth.

Addressing Emotional and Psychological Issues -- Food cravings, especially those for sweets, often are exacerbated by emotional dependencies. Tools like the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) can help you to overcome unhealthy food cravings and other emotional hurdles.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. Visionary August 07, 2008, 05:49:14 AM
4MY...
I am sorry to hear of your symptoms(plus)  returning. I have noticed that when my yeast is in remission and I start eating more "fun stuff" that it takes a while to catch up with me. I'll get away with it for a while and then wham. So I can really understand your frustration and disappointment.

I was wondering what yeast killing herbs you had switched to and what you had been using before you had the period of improved health.

Hang in there, God has a purpose in all of this.
H.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: 4myhoonie August 09, 2008, 09:59:19 AM
thanks, Gals.  i am back on the really strict diet and not liking it.  i am back to craving, and yucky die off. :P

KHIX--i read somewhere about Baking soda baths, anyone know how much?  does it really work to alleviate the candida?  has anyone had success with this?  i think i will try to get some caprillic acid and olive leaf, can it be taken with Candida Clear?  going to go look and see if it's in there. 

well, it's too bad this has to be soooo hard.  :'( so glad for the support here. 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: skelliott2 August 09, 2008, 10:34:58 AM
You know, I just thought of something else.  Have you tried essiac tea??  We went on a yeast cleanse after several years of working on health.  One of those things was essiac tea.  We took it faithfully for about a year before we did our yeast diet.  This tea is supposed to kill yeast as well.  Maybe this is why our cleanse worked faster?? 

Also, on the baking soda:  It's the weirdest thing, but when my son was having a bad food reaction, I could give him 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda in some lemon water.  It would fizz up, then I'd give it to him, after the fizz died down.  The absolute minute he drank this, he'd calm down.  He'd go from all red and screaming, to smiling, and singing songs.  I don't know why baking soda helped, and I don't know how it worked so fast, but it does seem to help with food reactions.  Maybe a bath would just be another way to ingest some of it, and works kind of like drinking it?  I think if I were you, I'd definitely look into the baking soda thing.  Cheap, and maybe effective.  :)

Let us know if you learn anything else!  Keep us posted on how you're doing!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Mrs. Visionary August 09, 2008, 11:14:52 AM
I actually did some bleach baths a few weeks ago when I had a rash from the candida that was driving me crazy. I had tried an oxygen bath without much result. The bleach baths really dried it up after about 3 or 4 days in a row. The recommended amount is 2 tbsp in 1/2 tub of water but I used about 1/3 cup because I was getting desperate. I used Clorox because it was what I had on hand.

Also the Essiac tea makes sense in that it is a cancer fighting substance and I am now convinced that the link between cancer and candida is real. Since khix posted the above excerpt from Dr. Mercola's site, I have gone to Dr. Simoncini's website and read just about everything there. He has a book too but I haven't read that.

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie August 09, 2008, 11:17:10 AM
Also, on the baking soda:  It's the weirdest thing, but when my son was having a bad food reaction, I could give him 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda in some lemon water.  It would fizz up, then I'd give it to him, after the fizz died down.  The absolute minute he drank this, he'd calm down.  He'd go from all red and screaming, to smiling, and singing songs.  I don't know why baking soda helped, and I don't know how it worked so fast, but it does seem to help with food reactions.  Maybe a bath would just be another way to ingest some of it, and works kind of like drinking it?  I think if I were you, I'd definitely look into the baking soda thing.  Cheap, and maybe effective.  :)

Let us know if you learn anything else!  Keep us posted on how you're doing!

I don't know why it works either, but in "Is This Your Child" by Doris Rapp, she says to give the baking soda just as you did to reverse an allergic reaction...

Jammie
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: pljammie August 09, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
We both also have a ton of allergies and our hope is that getting the candida under control will help to alleviate some of those allergies...especially the foods. 
Jammie

i moved this over to here to stay on topic, Jammie, i wonder if you abstain from your food allergens when you do the candida diet?   i was on a food allergy diet years ago, abstaining from milk and all dairy, eggs, beef, bananas, mushrooms, and something else which i can't remember.  i just wonder if i had done both at the same time if it would have been more effective.  i ate a lot of beans etc. at that time, to replace the protein i was getting from those things.  i think i would just be eating chicken at every meal, ???  if i couldn't eat cheese, beef & eggs.  the eggs don't seem to bother me anymore, and cheese either.  i can also do yogurt, but not milk much at all.  anyway, i was just curious to see how you do it?

I just now read this..I haven't been online in a while.  When I did the candida cleanse, I did not abstain from my allergens since most are low carb.  I'm allergic to peanuts, eggs, chicken and others.  I don't know if it would have been more effective, but I suspect it would have.  My eczema never cleared up and now is much worse.  I will say that my energy was so dramatically improved on the cleanse that I feel certain Candida was my problem and still is.  Hubby wants to lose weight so we are doing a low carb menu for a while to see if it helps both of us.  I'm going to do the 25 carbs/day for the first week with PB8 probiotics and an herbal yeast killer as well as cod liver oil and come coconut oil.

Jammie 
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt August 12, 2008, 01:51:10 AM
thanks, Gals.  i am back on the really strict diet and not liking it.  i am back to craving, and yucky die off. :P

KHIX--i read somewhere about Baking soda baths, anyone know how much?  does it really work to alleviate the candida?  has anyone had success with this?  i think i will try to get some caprillic acid and olive leaf, can it be taken with Candida Clear?  going to go look and see if it's in there. 

well, it's too bad this has to be soooo hard.  :'( so glad for the support here. 
Why Can't I Get Rid of this Candida Problem? (http://healthychristianliving.com/leaky_gut_syndrome.htm)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: carolina girl October 15, 2008, 08:33:02 AM
I still have SLS in my house.  Am I just going to do a cleanse to no avail if I am still using products with SLS in them?  I am trying to be a good steward and use up all that I have before I move on to purchasing the better alternatives, without SLS and other chemicals.  Will a cleanse be effective, even though I am still using products with unnatural chemicals, like SLS, in them?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T October 15, 2008, 09:00:56 AM
I have done the same as you and am just now getting to down to the last of the SLS products in my house.  I have had much progress with cleansing even with them around.  I'm sure it goes a little faster without them but I think it is not for nothing!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 19, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
Just a tidbit I ran across in the book I'm reading.

Did you know that there are 400,000 species of fungi, out of which 400 are pathogens?  In 1990, Elizabeth Moore-Landecker revealed fungi and their mycotoxins are able to cause genetic variations and mutations.  The fact that mycotoxins (fungal toxins) can cause cancer is not up for grabs.  In the American Cancer Society Textbook of Clinical Oncology, 2nd ed. 1995, it states "mycotoxins are genotoxic carcinogens, and exposure begins in utero and in mother's milk, continuing throughout life; these conditions favor the occurrence of disease."

from Cancer:  Step Outside the Box

If I understand this correctly, it says that candida (one species of fungi) and it's toxins can be passed from mother to child both in utero and through breast milk.  This should or would answer the question "Can babies be born with Candida?"
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt October 24, 2008, 06:05:20 PM
MSM may aid in killing and/or preventing Candida and/or Leaky Gut.

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,1591.msg206874.html#msg206874
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: petrimama November 22, 2008, 03:25:29 PM
I was just about to post on here about Cancer is a Fungus and I saw that someone already had.  Has anyone read it and come up with any opinion on it?  I am planning to buy it.       ~L
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Beth in Idaho December 28, 2008, 08:22:15 AM
Okay I have just been reading thru this whole thread because I know my mom has candida really bad and is having all sorts of issues with it and I know I do as well....

My question is .....Is acidopholus...a probiotic...I have been thinking it is...I give my daughter fish oil and acidopholus every morning and I know it helps her so much...I even took her off it for a few days when reading the newest information on no clo ....but her behavior started getting so out of hand I put her back on it...and she is on her way back to being her sweet self again!

Anyway...I am a bit confused with acidopholus and probiotic...what actually is aprobiotic....on so many boards I have read to eliminate Yogurt and Kefir...for candida....and fruit....but then read apples was okay.....help!!! Beth in Idaho
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama December 28, 2008, 05:56:23 PM
Probiotics are potentially beneficial bacteria and yeasts.
 
 Yes, acidolphilus is a probiotic. However lactobacillus acidolphilus is only one strain of lactobacillus bacteria.Another common class are bifidobacterium in several strains. IMO a good probiotic supplement will have several strains of lactobacillus at a minimum. The best supplements will also have some healthy yeasts such saccharomyces boulardi and several strains of lacto and bifido bacteria; these are sometimes labled HSOs (homeostatic soil organisms).

I don't believe there is a better general probiotic formula better than raw goat milk kefir. If aged and unsweetened it should work fine for most cases of candida. There are instances where the gut is sooo damaged that no dairy should be used. Homemade saurkraut or its liquid would be an alternative form of food based probiotic in such cases.
Always introduce probiotics slowly whether in food or supplement form.
Green apples and berries are generally ok in small amounts. If you look at the glycemic index of these as compared to other fruits you will see the difference. 
If you have not yet looked at the GAPS diet I encourage you to do so. It pulls together many of the necessary components of anti-candida diets and also gives you tools to determine how fast to move back to a normal and balance diet. Here's the WTM thread on GAPS. http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20533.0.html (http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,20533.0.html) Do follow the links to the .com site... Well worth the time!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Beth in Idaho December 30, 2008, 12:36:51 PM
Okay....I am getting more confused on this the more I read....on Bee's natural healing site to heal candida...she says to eliminate all dairy and all fruit because they feed candida...so if I used honey or yogurt that is okay on the GAP diet wouldnt that feed the candida?

Also reading it seems that better results have been gotten from the GAP diet...that seems contradictory to eliminating dairy and honey....as suggested on Bees site....Also what about nuts? I am confused how these cause candida....

The more I read the dumber I am feeling! Beth in Idaho
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: YoopreMama December 30, 2008, 02:05:53 PM
The GAPS book/plan does address the candida question, and notes that if you suspect yeast overgrowth, to reduce/eliminate sweets.  She also recommends S. boulardii (in addition to Bio-Kult) to fight yeast (it's not in the 14 strain probiotic b/c it works better apart from those strains). 

The nut issue was due to molds, I believe, which promote candida.

The GAPS probiotic and bone broths are very healing...not sure Bea has those. 

It IS confusing!  I just came off of Bea's program.  Hope some of this answered your ?s.  :)
Okay....I am getting more confused on this the more I read....on Bee's natural healing site to heal candida...she says to eliminate all dairy and all fruit because they feed candida...so if I used honey or yogurt that is okay on the GAP diet wouldnt that feed the candida?

Also reading it seems that better results have been gotten from the GAP diet...that seems contradictory to eliminating dairy and honey....as suggested on Bees site....Also what about nuts? I am confused how these cause candida....

The more I read the dumber I am feeling! Beth in Idaho
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Beth in Idaho December 30, 2008, 02:09:58 PM
How long were you on Bea's program and do you feel better? I am copying off a 40 page document from her site right now...it has taken a couple hrs because I have a very slow printer...I am going to sit down and read this later....I thought Bea's program did have the broth but maybe not...I do find it so confusing...I do know that giving up sugar for me is going to be very painful!! Beth in Idaho
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 30, 2008, 03:34:37 PM
Okay....I am getting more confused on this the more I read....on Bee's natural healing site to heal candida...she says to eliminate all dairy and all fruit because they feed candida...so if I used honey or yogurt that is okay on the GAP diet wouldnt that feed the candida?

Also reading it seems that better results have been gotten from the GAP diet...that seems contradictory to eliminating dairy and honey....as suggested on Bees site....Also what about nuts? I am confused how these cause candida....

The more I read the dumber I am feeling! Beth in Idaho
Unsweetened yogurt has very low sugar content because the bacteria convert it during fermentation.  It really depends on how bad one has the condition how far you need to restrict the diet.  I personally would avoid honey for a few weeks, but add it back in place of other sugars as the condition improves and allows.  To treat candida, you need not eat sugar free forever, just until the gut is cleaned and repopulated with good bacteria (flora).
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt December 30, 2008, 03:37:19 PM

My question is .....Is acidopholus...a probiotic...
Probiotics by definition are any bacteria or yeast that are considered benign or beneficial to the digestive tract.  There are many.  Acidophilus is the most commonly used/known and generally the most effective against candida, but should not be the only strain used for repopulation of the gut.  The more variety in probiotic strains you can introduce to the diet the better in the long run.  That's why high strain supplements or introducing a variety of fermented foods (beet kvass, sauer kraut, kombucha, yogurt, kefir, kimchi, etc) is a good way to go.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama December 30, 2008, 04:23:13 PM
The GAPS intro diet does eliminate all dairy and honey for almost 4 weeks if I remember correctly.

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: YoopreMama December 30, 2008, 04:29:58 PM
I did an anti-yeast diet for 4-6 week this fall.  The thread about w/ daily log for anti-yeast diets had a lot of info from her site.  It helped w/ energy and my skin, but I have greater issues than yeast.  I think that the GAPS program targets my needs w/ a more comprehensive approach, but Bea's program is also a very good/thorough one for yeast, especially considering she is not a medical Dr!   ;)

She may have the bone broths, too (looks like it on her recipes page)...  She was of the persuasion that probiotics would be added last, whereas w/ GAPS you start w/ a heavy duty one, incrementally, right away.  And I don't think Bea had yogurt or kefir.  GAPS was initially designed for the Dr.'s autistic son, and it was soon seen to be beneficial for others who had gut dysbiosis/immune systems compromised through antibiotics, vaccinations, use of formula, contraceptives, poor eating, etc.

Giving up sugar is painful but so worth it.  The first few days are the worst, but up your fats and that will help...go slow and steady to better your chances of success.  :)

How long were you on Bea's program and do you feel better? I am copying off a 40 page document from her site right now...it has taken a couple hrs because I have a very slow printer...I am going to sit down and read this later....I thought Bea's program did have the broth but maybe not...I do find it so confusing...I do know that giving up sugar for me is going to be very painful!! Beth in Idaho
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Beth in Idaho December 30, 2008, 04:53:15 PM
I am wondering if maybe....it would be a good idea to start with Bee's candida diet...but I would add the probiotics at the beginning and then do that for a 4 weeks or so...and then change over to GAPS? Do you feel it would be beneficial...to just start with GAPS first? and not do Bee's program?

I do not know if I have candida but have had my thumb nails start to have deep ridges in them about 10 yrs ago...and they have gotten worse and sometimes they get hot and hurt...so I am wondering after reading if this could be a source of candida...as well as my hair has fallen out over the yrs and not regrown...someone mentioned Iodine for that and I am going to go back and look at the thread to see if I can get any information...My NP actually had me on that for a short time for what she thought might be a thyroid issue but I saw no results...I have had such a sweet and carb diet that I wanted to do something to try and get rid of the candida if there is any....

So I guess I am just wondering since you have done Bee's program are you now doing GAPS and do you feel this is the best approach?

Thank you so much everyone for your responses and information...I was on this board a yr or so ago and havent been back but it really is one of my most favorites because everyone is so caring...and helpful....Thank you so much! Beth in Idaho
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: YoopreMama December 30, 2008, 05:06:10 PM
Well...Bee's is good, but 2 programs would confuse me.  I guess if you're "only" dealing w/ yeast, then the GAPS program really wouldn't be ideal.  If you have a history of antibiotics, though, or other things that have compromised your gut flora/immune system, well, I think GAPS is well-designed and a good thing to investigate.  Knowing what you are fighting is the big thing.  If you read some of mykidsmom's recent posts, you'll see what I mean.  I thought I was "only" fighting yeast, but it turns out I may have a bigger battle ahead.

For me, GAPS I think, will address my issues better.

The sweets/carbs craving could be yeast or it could be the whole opiate effect of undigested gluten that the GAPS Dr. discusses.

Keep pressing on!
I am wondering if maybe....it would be a good idea to start with Bee's candida diet...but I would add the probiotics at the beginning and then do that for a 4 weeks or so...and then change over to GAPS? Do you feel it would be beneficial...to just start with GAPS first? and not do Bee's program?

I do not know if I have candida but have had my thumb nails start to have deep ridges in them about 10 yrs ago...and they have gotten worse and sometimes they get hot and hurt...so I am wondering after reading if this could be a source of candida...as well as my hair has fallen out over the yrs and not regrown...someone mentioned Iodine for that and I am going to go back and look at the thread to see if I can get any information...My NP actually had me on that for a short time for what she thought might be a thyroid issue but I saw no results...I have had such a sweet and carb diet that I wanted to do something to try and get rid of the candida if there is any....

So I guess I am just wondering since you have done Bee's program are you now doing GAPS and do you feel this is the best approach?

Thank you so much everyone for your responses and information...I was on this board a yr or so ago and havent been back but it really is one of my most favorites because everyone is so caring...and helpful....Thank you so much! Beth in Idaho
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: Beth in Idaho December 31, 2008, 05:35:07 AM
Here is what I do know....I know that I do not process carbs well...I do need fiber and have a constipation issue...I went to my naturepath and did some tests and we know I have adrenal fatique and cfs as well as my cortisol is very low...is that the flight freeze stress hormone? If so it was very low....When I started baking my own bread...I gained weight right away...Due to an accident I had to have steriods injections in Aug I put 10 lbs on almost right away...My body does not do well with any sort of meds...

I know I sometimes get a really dizzy and bad mood from sugar...but I crave them....so crazy..I know it affects me in a bad way yet...I eat them anyway....

I also have a daughter brought home at 9.5 months who has had all kinds of attachment stuff and oppositional defiance disorder....I work hard to keep her diet *clean* but have noticed she is eating more sweets just like when we go to church they give them out to the kids and stuff like that....I have gotten amazing results with giving her acidopholus and fish oil every morning...without it she can not keep her *rages* under control...so wondering with her as well if this wouldnt help her too....She has been immunized and came home with who knows what kind of immunizations as far as *quality* By law I had to finish her immunizations but did them very far apart and not all together...trying to keep it as less as possible on her immune/nervous system....

So far it looks like the GAP diet does not allow honey or fruits at the beginning...but can be added back in later...and that the SCD diet does allow these in the beginning....so I think I will do some more research today and head towards the GAP diet...I think so far that looks like the easiest one to follow....

One more thing....is eggs not allowed on GAPS??
I just love that there is a thread here with people following them both...it is so helpful in my quest on how to follow it....Thanks again Beth in Idaho
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: healthyinOhio December 31, 2008, 07:23:20 AM
.she says to eliminate all dairy and all fruit because they feed candida..

From the recent books that I have read the only safe fruits that do not feed candida are:  grapefruit, green apples, and berries.

Milk that is pasteurized is questionable, but I have not found that raw milk products feed candida.

But every site and every book says something different, so who knows.  ::) ;D
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: YoopreMama December 31, 2008, 02:22:01 PM
Eggs are OK on GAPS.  :)
she says to eliminate all dairy and all fruit because they feed candida..
From the recent books that I have read the only safe fruits that do not feed candida are:  grapefruit, green apples, and berries.

Milk that is pasteurized is questionable, but I have not found that raw milk products feed candida.

But every site and every book says something different, so who knows.  ::) ;D
I've seen that the tart fruits are OK (cranberries, lemons, limes) are OK...raw milk does have natural sugars, but...???  It seems OK to most.
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: carolina girl January 07, 2009, 10:47:19 AM
I am starting my regimen tomorrow and am armed with all my supplements, healthy foods in the fridge.  One thing I am confused about is the amounts I am to take when.  Here is what I have

Acidopholus Blast - take till yeast is at bay, then switch to
Ultimate Defense - take as instructed for ??? amount of time

Digestive Enzymes - take as package instructs throughout cleanse
Omega 3-6-9 - take as package instructs throughout
Aloe Vera - take as package instructs throughout

Tummy Tune-up - take after you are finished with ultimate defense????

Also, I have Yeast Assassin - where does that come into play?

I'm confusing myself.  Can someone please set me straight?

Thanks so much!
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: carolina girl January 08, 2009, 01:41:45 AM
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: GarlicMomma January 08, 2009, 03:22:49 AM
Here is an illustration of what a postive candida spit test is supposed to look like for those who were wondering. It came from this website:
http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html

Might I have a problem with Candida Yeast?
You can try this simple test to find out.

First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, fill a clear glass with room temperature Bottled Water.

Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.

If you have a potential problem, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be suspended in the water.

If there are no strings and the saliva is still floating after at least one hour, you probably have Candida under control, and have nothing to worry about.  Congratulations.

The Results

What can I do if the test shows positive?

First, talk this over with your health care provider, as soon as possible.

Next, contact the person that sent you to this web page, they may have some helpful specific suggestions.

Be aware that a Candida Yeast problem can be pretty difficult to deal with, especially after it has had enough time to get established and be causing you problems.

It may not be easy, and it may take a while to impact the situation, be patient, and work on it everyday.

Your good health is at stake!




: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 08, 2009, 04:45:23 AM
I am starting my regimen tomorrow and am armed with all my supplements, healthy foods in the fridge.  One thing I am confused about is the amounts I am to take when.  Here is what I have

Acidopholus Blast - take till yeast is at bay, then switch to
Ultimate Defense - take as instructed for ??? amount of time

Digestive Enzymes - take as package instructs throughout cleanse
Omega 3-6-9 - take as package instructs throughout
Aloe Vera - take as package instructs throughout

Tummy Tune-up - take after you are finished with ultimate defense????

Also, I have Yeast Assassin - where does that come into play?

I'm confusing myself.  Can someone please set me straight?

Thanks so much!
If I had these supplements in my cabinet I would...

1.  Take YA, Aloe, Omegas, Enzymes until they are gone.  Consider taking Omegas (or CLO) indefinitely or as your budget allows.  Sugar fast for at least 2 weeks or as long as you can manage.
2.  Take Acidophilus once the YA is gone.
3.  Take Ultimate Defense either after YA is gone or after Acidophilus is gone.  It wouldn't hurt to take 2 kinds of probiotics at the same time.  Learn to make and consume fermented foods while taking the supplements so you can continue with probiotics when your supplements run out.  The more the better.  ;)
4.  Save the Tummy Tune Up 8 for illness unless you really need it throughout your treatment.
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: WI Cheesehead April 02, 2009, 06:21:17 PM
Okay ladies, after reading through the first 8 pages, I want to ask a couple questions and I am "read" out.  I will finish the rest of the thread tomorrow.  After reading about the yeast and the checklist to see if you might have it, I believe my 14 yo DD might have it.  She's been sick quite often and had anitbiotics quite a few times in her life, even steroids once or twice.  She got mono 3 years ago.  She's had tummy problems (nauseau when eating), dizziness and problem focusing on words on a page, among other symptoms (also whitish discharge, but not yeast infections).  I took her to a GI dr. to have her tested and they did x-ray, blood, and GI follow through (the barium thing) and everything looked okay, except for an excess amount of stool in her (lower abdomen?  I don't remember).  So they are treating her for constipation and then telling us to call back (oh, and for possible GERD).  If I want to start her on supplements, can I give her YA - as normally she would be considered an adult for medications - she's almost 120 lbs.  Also, would I have to take her off my homemade (ground fresh) whole wheat bread?  I'm also confused about milk.  Would I have to take her off of it, and is raw better (in terms of yeast) once we add it back in?  I'm already thinking of buying raw soon anyways.  So I should give her YA, Tummy Tuneup, spirulina, garlic, GSE and fish oil?  I will try anything to get this kid healthy.  It seems she is always sick, very often with tummy issues, sometimes other issues.  TIA for any help.  Oh, and do I have to use Virgin coconut oil?  I have the non-virgin and don't know if I could afford the virgin.  I guess I have to go read the Foods to Eat thread!
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: healthybratt April 08, 2009, 03:33:24 AM
Okay ladies, after reading through the first 8 pages, I want to ask a couple questions and I am "read" out. 
http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: GarlicMom May 20, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
Natures Sunshine has a new Candida Cleanse if you would like to try it.
www.mynsp.com/jeniferharrod
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: Elenita May 22, 2009, 05:27:18 PM
I have a question. I thought I had hypoglycemia, but is it possible that the symptoms (trembling hands, feeling dizzy, getting very grumpy) are also a result of candida?
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: 4myhoonie May 23, 2009, 07:18:46 PM
I have a question. I thought I had hypoglycemia, but is it possible that the symptoms (trembling hands, feeling dizzy, getting very grumpy) are also a result of candida?

yes! or food allergies related to candida. my sis and i were diagnosed 3 years ago with food allergies, and she had horrible hypoglycemia.  as soon as she stopped eating her allergens it went completely away.  she doesn't see the relationship yet, but her candida probably caused the allergies, unless we were born with them.  (possible definitely).  we had the 96 food allergens blood test.  they introduce the allergen directly to your blood.   hope you figure it out.
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: Elenita May 25, 2009, 01:57:04 PM
Thanks!
I don't think I have any food allergies though, but my symptoms are way better since I'm on the diet. We'll see what happens, when the yeast is gone, and I add more carbs again.  :)
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: 4myhoonie May 26, 2009, 03:17:18 AM
Thanks!
I don't think I have any food allergies though, but my symptoms are way better since I'm on the diet. We'll see what happens, when the yeast is gone, and I add more carbs again.  :)


so glad to hear you are feeling better.  so maybe it was just the yeast!?  in case you get sporadic episodes of hypoglycemia, you might consider linking it to a food you ate.  have you had the 96 food allergen test?  we didn't know what they were or if we had any, but i had 7 allergens, and she had a couple less.  mine were mostly proteins (so wouldn't be a yeast feeding food) usually they are common foods that you eat every day or several times a day.  (as they were for us)      :'(  much harder to give up, than if they were something you never eat!  keep us posted.
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: WI Cheesehead June 29, 2009, 04:38:25 AM
We've been on the diet (although not totally restrictively-no sugar except stevia and occasionally diet soda when out, no gluten grain except occasional Annie's mac 'n chz, no yeast, only granny smith apples and berries, etc) since after Easter.  We started the supplements (Candida Cleanse and a heavy probiotic) for about 3 weeks and had a few symptoms, but not too bad.  The one thing I'm wondering about is a symptom of my DD's.  I'm not sure if it's related because she also has a mild form of scoliosis (19°, which is 7° past normal, I think).  She was doing pretty well with the physical therapy exercises and the chiropractor, but just recently she's had really bad back pain that doesn't seem to be helped a lot by the chiropractor or the exercises.  Upper and lower.  We're going to try a 15 minute massage to see if it helps any before shelling out any more money.  I don't know if we should go back to physical therapy or what.  Could this be aggravated by die off?  Also, for me, is dizziness a die off symptom?  I've only had it twice, but it's been enough for me to have to sit on the couch for awhile, or I'll fall over.
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: Joyfulmomto9 September 28, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
Hi WI Cheesehead-

I am also a cheesehead by birth :D

Regarding your daughters back problem.  Years ago I used to see chiropractors for back problems and my back would hurt after exertion etc...  When I began to treat myself for candida the back problems went away.  Now I am having to treat myself for candida all over again and I have noticed as I have had massive die offs that my back hurts just like it used to.  So IMO it could very likely be part of the die off....
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: Joyfulmomto9 September 28, 2009, 05:23:39 PM
I have treated Candida in the past with Yeast Assassin with good results even though I did not adhere as strictly to the diet as I should have. 

After several courses of antibiotics while in Africa and a pregnancy I am having to treat myslef all over again. 

I am using a systemic dose of diflucan as I feel that this candida is hiding in my brain and possibly/likely other organs.  I am adhering to the candida diet and have been for awhile with some good results.

My candida is weird.  I do not have a huge problem with recurrent yeast infections and I think mostly my candida is under control in my GI tract but it seems to me to be lodged in my organs and brain.  I feel like I just can't "get" to it with the YA but maybe I just haven't taken a strong enough dose.  I feel like I have a severe candida issue that at best I have kept at bay for many years. 

So my question is does anyone have any idea or if the ingredients in Yeast Assassin would travel into the blood stream?  Like I know that Nystatin is not for systemic yeast because it does not enter the blood like diflucan.  Does garlic enter the blood?  I would think it could with high doses.

I googled but can't find anything about herbs entering the blood.

I am presently having a very massive die off reaction my throat is swelling and I am having huge amounts of mucous, fatigue and brain fog......



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: joyofthelord September 30, 2009, 10:24:50 AM
joyfulmomto9 - Just out of curiosity, why do you suspect the yeast in your brain?  I found that interesting, as I've suspected that myself.

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: mykidsmom September 30, 2009, 11:02:55 AM

  Like I know that Nystatin is not for systemic yeast because it does not enter the blood like diflucan. 




I would actually challenge this statement.  Nystatin is used for systemic yeast by many many naturepaths and MD's.  I'm going to guess the person telling you nystatin won't work is an MD who wants to prescribe diflucan because it's a newer drug.  Diflucan doesn't work for a lot of people I've chatted with.  If you're still having trouble then I would encourage you to switch to nystatin.  Diflucan is bad for the liver and even my doctor said that any MD putting someone on diflucan should have their liver checked monthly (and that's an MD saying that).  It's THAT bad for you.   :o  Nystatin has years of successes behind it that prove it works quite well on systemic yeast.  I've used it personally and had very good success with it.  I'm sure there are studies out there as well.  If I had to choose between diflucan and nystatin I would use nystatin hands down. 

patti
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: Elenita October 01, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
My DH just did some research about Yeast, as everything's pretty new to him, and he just told me this morning that he checked some German websites and found that many doctors (specialists with funghi, I don't know what you call them in English), say that Nystatin stays in the gut, it does not enter the bloodstream, so they say if you have yeast only in your gut Nystatin is good - and it doesn't have a lot of side-effects (because it stays in the gut), but if the yeast spreads in the body Nystatin can't kill it, and you would need another kind of treatment, and these have potential side effects, because they reach the organs.
They also say, that diet alone is not really good to treat Yeast, because if it gets starved, it will leave the gut, enter the blood and hide somewhere else.
So, I would be really interested what you all think about that.
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: WI Cheesehead October 02, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
Hi WI Cheesehead-

I am also a cheesehead by birth :D

Regarding your daughters back problem.  Years ago I used to see chiropractors for back problems and my back would hurt after exertion etc...  When I began to treat myself for candida the back problems went away.  Now I am having to treat myself for candida all over again and I have noticed as I have had massive die offs that my back hurts just like it used to.  So IMO it could very likely be part of the die off....

We were on the diet for at least 4 months, while her back got progressively worse.  Finally went back to the scoliosis dr. and she said DD's calves were really tight and sent her to physical therapy at some sports therapists' (through Children's Hospital).  It was a Godsend.  He diagnosed her with almost flat feet.  We got her in some good shoes and inserts, and she felt a difference right away.  She says her back feels like it did before summer (when all of this started).  Praise God!  She's also doing the exercises with them (and at home) and is trying to teach her body (through the exercises) to communicate to itself.  She has no sense of balance right now.  Now we had her tested for food allergies, and 12 came up (including wheat and dairy).  However, it was the scratch test.  So I'm going to try putting her back on some of them, one at a time, to see if we get much reaction.
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: Joyfulmomto9 October 05, 2009, 08:53:43 AM
Sorry I haven't checked her in a few days..

joyofthelord  I think it is in my brain because I have an extrememly difficult time concentrating, alot of brain fog and inability to think sometimes especially when people are talking to me.  Sometimes it is hard for me to think of the words to say back to them. 

I hear what you are saying about the diflucan being bad.  I guess I am desperate for something.  I am using it under the care of a naturopath.  I know it is a potentially damaging drug. 

Since I have been taking the diflucan and other herbals to kill it - I have had the most massive die off it is almost frightening.  I am still have alot of die of symptoms and still no increase in energy.  It seems to be coming out of my throat (hard to explain) and manifersting in new allergies to things.  The roof of my mouth itches and a whole host of other new yeast symptoms.  I hope I can get over this soon this is really miserable and I know the die off alone is bad for my body.
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: floydian October 05, 2009, 08:59:36 AM
Sorry I haven't checked her in a few days..

joyofthelord  I think it is in my brain because I have an extrememly difficult time concentrating, alot of brain fog and inability to think sometimes especially when people are talking to me.  Sometimes it is hard for me to think of the words to say back to them. 

I hear what you are saying about the diflucan being bad.  I guess I am desperate for something.  I am using it under the care of a naturopath.  I know it is a potentially damaging drug. 

Since I have been taking the diflucan and other herbals to kill it - I have had the most massive die off it is almost frightening.  I am still have alot of die of symptoms and still no increase in energy.  It seems to be coming out of my throat (hard to explain) and manifersting in new allergies to things.  The roof of my mouth itches and a whole host of other new yeast symptoms.  I hope I can get over this soon this is really miserable and I know the die off alone is bad for my body.



Activated charcoal can help with die off.

And instead of using Diflucan, why not use something like Black Walnut?
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: Joyfulmomto9 October 05, 2009, 09:21:09 AM
Thanks Floydian that reminds me that I am suppose to be taking charcoal.

Black Walnut is in the other things I am taking which are,,

Yeast Assassin
Diflucan
Caprilic Acid
Another yeast killer from the Naturopath
Fungal treatment from naturopath

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: floydian October 05, 2009, 10:02:07 AM
That seems like a lot to be taking all at once.  When I used YA in the past, I was hit with a good bit of die off from that alone.  I know you want to get rid of it, but this seems extreme to me.

Also probiotics are a must and will help with die off.
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: 4myhoonie October 05, 2009, 10:13:57 AM
That seems like a lot to be taking all at once.  When I used YA in the past, I was hit with a good bit of die off from that alone.  I know you want to get rid of it, but this seems extreme to me.

Also probiotics are a must and will help with die off.

i agree, i think if you are doing this under the care of a dr. you should just do what he says.  the other things are making it too much. IMHO.  hope you can get done with the die off! sounds miserable!
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: Joyfulmomto9 October 06, 2009, 05:26:28 AM
Yea it is alot and I am going to back off I think.  This is all the stuff that my doctor said to take at the same time.  He said "we really want to hit this hard!"

Well that's one way to put it.  It seems to be coming out of every pore of my body.  I am sweating it out and my ears are burning, lots and lots of throat and sinus mucous along with a serious flare up of allergies more than I have had in years.  I had a bad day yesterday, so bad I was weak just sitting in a chair.  I hope today will be better.  I am going to back way off I think as I cannot take the symptoms.
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: floydian October 07, 2009, 07:32:52 AM
Activated charcoal will really help with die off.  Also you want to drink a ton of water to flush all of that out of your system.  Water with lemon will help your body be more alkaline which will really help you feel better.  Spirulina is also supposed to be great for helping with die off.
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: joyofthelord October 07, 2009, 11:00:41 AM
I am really needing advice.  My son (22) was on antiobiotics for years for acne, followed by acutane for about a month just recently.  He didn't stay on the acutane, as he hated how it made him feel.  I told him repeatedly how he needed to get off of all that, but unfortunately didn't until he started having reactions.  He started getting a rash, wish I feel was yeast, so I gave him probiotics and yeast assassin.  The itching has been over 2 months.  I bought him some strong pau d'arco, along with digestive enzymes, and taking the pau d'arco.  None of this is working after this long!

Am I barking up the wrong tree here - like maybe this isn't yeast??  Could it possibly be taking this long?  He stays away from sugar, and watches his diet.  He's also been fasting the last 2 days, but with no relief there either.  Can anyone help us, or give us a direction to go???

Is there anything else over the counter or anything that might help him or give him relief?  We would appreciate any advice or direction, he is miserable. :(
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: RB October 07, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
I would look at the Gaps Diet and do what they suggest to heal the gut.  Acne,  like so many other skin problems ( in my opinion) stem from the condition of your gut health.  I also think that getting some colonics would help too.  You can read more here:  http://www.optimalhealthnetwork.com/Colon-Cleansing-Colonic-Enema-Therapies-Madison-WI-p/OHC_COLON_CLEANSE.htm

 http://gapsdiet.com/Home_Page.html

Here are some videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLP0Ijo2CK4

 Blessing's,
     RB



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: joyofthelord October 07, 2009, 12:28:33 PM
I would look at the Gaps Diet and do what they suggest to heal the gut.  Acne,  like so many other skin problems ( in my opinion) stem from the condition of your gut health.  I also think that getting some colonics would help too.  You can read more here:  http://www.optimalhealthnetwork.com/Colon-Cleansing-Colonic-Enema-Therapies-Madison-WI-p/OHC_COLON_CLEANSE.htm

 http://gapsdiet.com/Home_Page.html

Here are some videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLP0Ijo2CK4

 Blessing's,
     RB

The funny thing is, when he went off of all the meds, and started taking larger doses of Cod Liver Oil, the acne is completely gone!  Now, we just need to figure out the itching and rashes.  Does anyone think that this has been going on too long for yeast?  Or is there some kind of over the counter medicine for yeast that would be more effective?




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: Joyfulmomto9 October 07, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
I would say that for sure yeast/candida is one of his problems if he was on antibiotics for that long.  I would get him some yeast assasin from Beeyoutiful and have him take that along with the yeast free diet and a good probiotic.
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: T October 08, 2009, 03:15:32 AM
I recently read some books on fasting and they spoke very specifically on having to 'relive' your illnesses as you fast and heal.  I would think that die off would be very similar and in my experience, it is.  As you 'fast' from certain foods that used to make you sick, you have the healing crisis of reliving the worst of it all at once.  These books said that if your problems were in your lungs, you would experience phlegm and coughing to empty the lungs, if yeast infections were your problem, you would experience discharge and odor and so on.  I would agree with the other girls that Joyfulmomto9 might be taking a few too many things at once.  It's a long process!  I've been through it and am still going through it myself.  I just thought the fasting info might help you understand the die off symptoms.  I'd also be careful of the timing of taking the charcoal.  It absorbs everything so, if you're taking a probiotic, it will absorb that if taken too closely together.
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: boysmama October 08, 2009, 04:01:51 AM
joyofthelord, With long term use of antibiotics like that, or even just a month of a strong drug, he probably did/does have systemic yeast/fungal issues.
The drugs and the yeast both affect the immune system. Even if the yeast is gone, he may still experience itching and rashes as a side effect of a damaged immune system and increased levels of inflammation all over the body.
 Most likely he WILL need to use more yeast suppressing treatments until his body is again balanced, but I would switch to milder forms of treatment that will not antagonize a heavy dose of probiotics both in food and supplement form. I think your best cure for these issues will be anti inflammatory treatments and diet/supplements that support intestinal healing.
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: mommyjen November 12, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
GOOD article!  Diflucan is looking better all the time.  :P

Candida—Eliminating Yeast/Fungal Overgrowth
http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_f-n_2/Infections-candida_eliminating_yeast_fungal_overgrowth.html
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: IowaDove November 21, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
My husband has been taking Yeast Assassin for a few months along with Acidophilus Blast, Superdad's, and Omega Balance. He smells very yeasty but will not go on a gluten free diet (he is a big carb person). What else can I do for him? He says his mucous has gone down with taking the Yeast Assassin, but he takes it at night because it saps all his energy if he takes it during the day. Any other suggestions?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: boysmama November 21, 2011, 04:06:04 PM
Perhaps a stronger probiotic? Or maybe you could make kefir, either with water or raw dairy and make a daily smoothie for him? Kefir and other fermented foods like saurkraut made more of a difference for us than any pill, but a stronger probiotic would definitely be a step in the right direction. You might also look at the a book called Potatoes Not Prozac. The steps laid out in it would likely help reduce his craving for carbs.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt November 26, 2011, 08:08:12 AM
If he won't cut down on the carbs, the only thing you can do is increase his anti-yeast regimin.  Consider adding fermented foods to your regular routine.  Once I mastered Kombucha, my family loved it.  It also encouraged my hubs to cut down on his soda consumption because it's very well carbonated. 

Read this posts.  It contains bunches of other links which can give you more ideas.
http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,2698.msg24644.html#msg24644


My hubs was a very reluctant patient and I still can't get him to stop eating candy; however, if you work on your skills as a creative cook, you can control to some degree how many carbs he eats.  You don't have to be gluten free to keep the carbs low in your cooking. 

For example, when you make a pasta dish, add more meat and veggies (spinach is a good filler) to make the ratio of carbs to protein better for him.  Mix the pasta into the sauce yourself before serving to make sure the pasta is less than if he dished it up himself.  Do things like add raw garlic (anti-yeast) to the finished product instead of cooking the garlic into the recipe.  Make your own bread and decrease the amount of sugar.  You need sugar (or honey) for bread, but you don't need as much as they put in at the factory.  Also, making your own bread will decrease the amount of refined flour which also lowers the amount of refined starches and sugars he will consume per serving. 

Bottom line is:  don't attempt to deprive your husband.  This will just make him fight.  Skip the stuff he won't do and do the things he will.  Cook as healthy as your skills and budget will allow and his tastes for healthy food will adjust over time.  My husband is proof.  I couldn't make him give up his mistress--LITTLE DEBBIE--by asking, but after a couple of years of healthy cooking, he no longer thought they tasted good.  he eats dessert, but only the stuff i make at home with healthy, whole ingredients.  don't think you can do this overnight either.  it takes time.  just keep doing what you can and let hubs decide if the sugar is worth the suffering.

: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: IowaDove November 28, 2011, 08:29:56 AM
Ok, thank you so much for the ideas! My husband is actually anti-sugar and I do make our own bread, but I will try to cut out more honey. He just loves bread, muffins, pasta-stuff like that, but we don't do any packaged sweets or soda. I will try a stronger probiotic-any suggestions as to a brand? We are actually working on selling our business and moving to a farm so hopefully someday I will be able to do the raw milk products. And thank you for the reminder of garlic, we both love it, but I often forget to add it to things.
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: healthybratt January 08, 2012, 05:22:39 PM
Ok, thank you so much for the ideas! My husband is actually anti-sugar and I do make our own bread, but I will try to cut out more honey. He just loves bread, muffins, pasta-stuff like that, but we don't do any packaged sweets or soda. I will try a stronger probiotic-any suggestions as to a brand? We are actually working on selling our business and moving to a farm so hopefully someday I will be able to do the raw milk products. And thank you for the reminder of garlic, we both love it, but I often forget to add it to things.
for fighting yeast, this is the one i use.  http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-8-Billion-Acidophilus-Bifidus-120-Capsules-Ice/1145?at=0

(if you can't find it locally, you can use LIN172 as a coupon code to get $5 off your first order at the site above.)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: OzarkGirl August 14, 2012, 04:43:14 PM
For the last 5 weeks, I have had a dull headache around the back of my head, towards my neck. I went to a chiropractor in my town, he cracked my neck and sent me on my way. That didn't seem to help anything. So, after another weeks, I went to another chiropractor, who specialized in upper cervical care. He cracked me again, and put my axis bone back into place, thinking that it was causing most of my pain. I had X-Rays as well, where they found that I have Kyphosis, which is the straightening of the neck. My neck is straight, there is no curve. Once my axis was in place, I thought surely the headache would go away, but it still hasn't. I am now seeing a chiropractic physician, who specialized in alternative healthcare. He found out that I also have a candida buildup around my kidneys and bowels. I have been on a no carb and no sugar diet for about 2 weeks now. I have seen some improvement, but the headache is still there. He also put me on Candida cleanse pills (similar to Yeast Assassin). I feel like I am always hungry. He doesn't want me eating hardly any red meats, fruit, or anything with carbs or sugar. I had no idea how hard this would be!

To you who have had candida problems, have you ever dealt with the headache? Also, what diet worked best for you? I feel like I am constantly hungry for something with flavor! Hope someone can help!
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T August 15, 2012, 04:00:30 AM
Hi OzarkGirl,

Those headaches still hit me when I slip back to my old ways and consume too many carbs or sugars.  Because of my history of antibiotics and sugar addiction, I'm super sensitive to sliding back into my old cravings.  The healtier I get, the easier it is for the trigger foods to upset my system.  Because candida attacks your imune system, you may also be struggling (as I am right now) with environmental allergies compounding the problem.  I've had a nagging neck/headache for the last week or so and even energy loss.  I'm also craving anything that turns to sugar in my body.  It's my old 'get something in me to make it go away and then the headache comes back stronger' cycle.  I can only tell you to drink lots of water to flush your system and stay strong with the dietary limitations.  I do know how hard it is but it gets better a little at a time as you go along.  'Be strong and take courage'  :)  You might try some virgin coconut oil to help build your system, cut the cravings and fill you up with good fats.  It really does help me...I'm learning to like coconut because of what it does for me but still not loving the taste.

T
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: DHW August 15, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
Definitely add in good fats to help you feel full and cut cravings.  Coconut oil is also anti-fungal so that is a very good choice.  Avocados would be another good choice.  Have you looked at the GAPS diet?
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: Sewbusy August 15, 2012, 05:09:53 PM
Coconut oil is a very good thing for candida. Just wish I knew a good way to get it down (that doesnt involve carbs)
: Re: Candida / Yeast: Symptoms & Cures
: T August 16, 2012, 06:45:58 AM
It melts beautifully in a cup of hot tea...I have a large cup of 1/2 rooiboos tea 1/2 homemade almond or pumpkin seed milk with a half tsp. real salt, a tsp. of blackstrap molasses, a dropper of hazelnut stevia and a tbs. of coconut oil for breakfast in cool months.  I can go a long time before I eat again with that in me.  It seems to emulsify so I don't feel like I'm drinking a cup of oil.  I also make a candy (mentioned other places on the forum) of co, nut butter, cocoa powder and stevia (any flavor).  Warm the co if you need to to mix well and put in the fridge for a bit.  Cut in chunks and eat like a candy bar.  My daughter has been making 'doughnut holes' with 1/3 c. co, 1 1/2 C. rolled oats, 1c. oat flour and 1/4 c.maple syrup.  She rolls those in balls and then rolls them in oat flour and cinnamon and chill.  I imagine you could replace the flour with a carb free something and use stevia instead of maple syrup.  Are there carbs in coconut flour?  I haven't looked into that since I don't love coconut.  Nut butters might work...

Did that help at all or get your creative juices going? ;D

T