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Remedies & Therapies => Alternate Modalities => : Mrs. B December 06, 2007, 04:32:12 PM

: Saliva testing
: Mrs. B December 06, 2007, 04:32:12 PM
I have been looking into the subject of saliva testing lately and have not been finding the information that I am wanting.
My main question is really one of scientific validation and how this validation was achieved.  I am wondering if it has more usefulness or is just different from doing standard blood levels.
I am not against saliva testing, I just don't know a great deal about the process of it and have had a hard time getting my research on this in order. 
: Re: Saliva testing
: healthyinOhio December 07, 2007, 04:37:05 AM
What areas are you interested in testing for?  Genetic diseases?  Allergies? 
: Re: Saliva testing
: cecac December 07, 2007, 05:05:48 AM
I'll tell you my limited knowledge.  Saliva testing is good, according to the adrenal book I've read, for adrenal level testing.  I've also read here and there that it's good for thyroid testing, although maybe it is good with thyroid along with blood testing.

My OB told me here recently, when I asked him about having my adrenals checked, that in his opinion it is not accurate to test adrenals doing just one test.  According to him you need comparisons.  And I'm thinking he'd want to see saliva and blood tests.

Dr. James L. Wilson in the book "Adrenal Fatigue, The 21st Century Stress Syndrome", uses only saliva for adrenals.  Sometimes he uses the tests several times in a day so that you can see, over 12 hours, how your adrenals are behaving.  Or, when a patient is having symptoms of adrenal fatigue, he'll have the patient do a saliva test right then to determine where the adrenals are at.  I get the impression he goes case by case in how he uses the adrenal saliva testing.

According to Dr. Wilson, the blood tests, for various reasons, don't really nail it for adrenals.  Perhaps you could get ahold of that book for the ins and outs explained by a doctor?  There are websites out there on thyroid (sorry, I looked at one of them that was very informative but it's been a while) that goes into the ins and outs of blood/saliva testing for thyroid.  I believe if you do a search on the internet, you will come up with some interesting reading.

HTH,
Cara
: Re: Saliva testing
: Mrs. B December 07, 2007, 05:12:06 AM
What areas are you interested in testing for?  Genetic diseases?  Allergies? 
I'm not interested in a specific area necessarily, but just pondering the usefulness and accuracy of the testing in general....mainly I am wanting to just know the ins and outs, how and why it works, and what the possible limitations may be...
Dr. James L. Wilson in the book "Adrenal Fatigue, The 21st Century Stress Syndrome", uses only saliva for adrenals.  Sometimes he uses the tests several times in a day so that you can see, over 12 hours, how your adrenals are behaving.  Or, when a patient is having symptoms of adrenal fatigue, he'll have the patient do a saliva test right then to determine where the adrenals are at.  I get the impression he goes case by case in how he uses the adrenal saliva testing.

According to Dr. Wilson, the blood tests, for various reasons, don't really nail it for adrenals.  Perhaps you could get ahold of that book for the ins and outs explained by a doctor?  There are websites out there on thyroid (sorry, I looked at one of them that was very informative but it's been a while) that goes into the ins and outs of blood/saliva testing for thyroid.  I believe if you do a search on the internet, you will come up with some interesting reading.

HTH,
Cara
Thanks for giving me a direction... this does help...
: Re: Saliva testing
: mykidsmom December 07, 2007, 06:07:47 AM
When one takes a saliva test for the adrenals they test the adrenals 4 times in a 24hr period.  That's a lot of spit!!  :D  I have had both blood and saliva testing done for progesterone defienciency, adrenals low/non-functioning, etc.  I also had a 24hr urine free cortisol test.  When I had the blood and urine work done it showed my adrenals were fine although even my ND could tell by my symptoms that my adrenals were in a near shut down state.  When we did the saliva test it clearly showed that my adrenals were functioning very minimally.  Same thing with my progesterone.  Clinically, when I supplemented with both hormones I started feeling MUCH better.  In a non-scientific way I'd say saliva testing is far better.  BTW, I don't know of any way for them to check the thyroid with saliva.  That requires blood testing.  The difference in functionality decisions comes in the interpretation of the results.  My experience has been that a naturapath uses much higher levels of TSH/T3/T4 for someone to be feeling well whereas the AMA states that at really low levels someone is "fine."  The AMA is slowly changing their opinion and seems to be moving the numbers a little but still they won't match an ND's assessment if someone is too low.

hth

patti
: Re: Saliva testing
: cecac December 07, 2007, 07:01:40 AM
I also remembered that my MIL began going to an MD whose a natural alternatives fellow.  He took blood and saliva, for both adrenals and thyroid.  My dh went with my MIL to the first appointment a few weeks ago, and this natural doctor said the same thing as what my OB said.  You should not rely on saliva testing alone.

I will say, though, that this natural MD put my MIL on Isocort without any test results.  He did not do that with the Armour Thyroid, although he gave her the prescription.  In other words, he wanted to look at all the tests before she started that one.  With the Isocort, I am thinking when he heard her history of not enough sleep for the past 3 years, he knew she needed it and just confirmed with the testing.

I read patti's response (she is real good at this stuff) and the only thing I wonder with what she is saying is the part about thyroid.  The only reason I wonder is because I called the pharmacy where I can go to get adrenal tests done via saliva, and they also said they could do thyroid.  The lady did tell me that if the testing showed I was too out of whack they'd recommend a doctor to me.  At the pharmacy there are trained people who can help to a point, but the lady told me that if I was past a certain point I would need the Armour, and only a doctor can prescribe that.

Mrs. B, if you learn anything, could you post?  I'm still wondering about this, too.  I may want to get adrenals done in the future, but I'm not sure if I should rely solely on the saliva testing. :-\

Thanks a lot,
Cara