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Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« on: July 12, 2006, 04:38:12 AM »
My pastor was supposed to be on a much needed vacation with his family, and right in the middle of it, ended up in the er with kidney stones! :-[ This is not the first time, but it's been about 8 or nine years I think since the last round. He's talked to me about herbal stuff before, so I recommended taking parsley and marshmallow. Does anyone know how much is actually necessary to relieve the pain and break up the stones? I've never experienced these before,(thankfully), but I hear they're awful! Bless his heart, it's been 4 days now :'(

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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2006, 05:18:43 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2006, 05:47:58 AM »
The Green Pharmacy recommends a tea using one teaspoon of dried parsley root and drinking 2-3 cups a day.  Steep for 10-15 minutes and strain.

No mention of marshmallow, but it also recommends stinging nettle(1 tsp per cup once a day), lovage (2-4 tsp per cup once a day), java tea (orthosiphon aristatus) (3-6 tsp per cup once a day), goldenrod (5 tsp per cup 3-4 times daily between meals)

and it points out that phosphates and protein should be increased and maintained properly and oxalates should be reduced or avoided as these cause more stones.  Foods and herbs containing oxalates include:  coffee, black tea, rhubarb, sorrel, spincach, lamb's-quarters and purslane.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2006, 08:06:52 AM »
I just went to a nephrologist, (kidney doctor) and after many tests said all I needed to do was to incorporate lemons in my diet. Fresh squeezed lemonade, cook with lemon, any and all citris, but lemons are best. He also recomended drinking plenty of fluids to help prevent the stones from forming. Preferably water. :) I thought after all those 4 hour trips to a specialist doctor, I"d have more of a typical doctors response, with a prescription, probably a diuretic of sorts, but just lemons! :D Good time to start on that kind of diet! It's summer! Mmmm. .. fresh squeezed lemonade! :)
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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2006, 08:49:37 AM »
Thanks ladies,

I'll give them all this info. The marshmallow acts as a demulcent, and is very soothing where pain due to irritation is involved. I've seen in my herb books that it is excellent for the urinary tract, so I just put the 2 together.

Thanks again! VM

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2006, 10:44:05 AM »
Update... Pastor has 3 kidney stones! and get this, the largest one in 7 mm!!!  :o :o :'( He's taking vicaden for horrific pain, and is supposed to go in on Monday for the "sound wave thingy" to break them down. (real technical I know ;)) I also spoke with my naturopath's clinic, and they said pure cranberry juice is fast acting with kidney stones. (If you can take the taste of it unsweetened)! Anyway, I'll let ya'll know of any progress.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2006, 01:37:09 PM »
and is supposed to go in on Monday for the "sound wave thingy" to break them down. (real technical I know ;))

My husband was diagnosed with a kidney stone years ago, but it won't pass. He was told it was a little too small to be broken up with technology, (I don't know the technical terms either ;) ) but that it is on the large side for passing -- Ouch! :-[

So...these herbal remedies you all are suggesting, are they to actually break up the stone and help you pass stones that are not already traveling? His stone has started to move a few times, but then never continues. Could he "head it off at the pass"? We keep thinking he'll wind up "in labor" at the same time as I am, but a couple babies later, and he keeps holding on to the thing!
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2006, 03:43:45 AM »
If the stone is too small to "work on" then truley it will pass.  If it is still in the kidney, try having him drink lots and lots of water (like a quart an hour at least) and lay inverted, with his head below his feet. The extra water will help dislodge it and the inversion if it seems to be stuck in the kidney.  And continue drinking LOTS of water until the stone passes.  It will feel like a water balloon effect or something.  There's no way you think you want to drink that much water, but it's worth it. After he feels it has left his kidney, no need for the inversion.  (obviously! :)

I read my earlier post and realized I didn't explain myself too well.  I am a 25 year old girl, and I've had about 20-25 kidney stones.  2 bouts of about 10-15 stones each, some stones 1.5 centimeters in diamiter, and ranging.  The I've seen two urologists and a nephrologist for the problem over a 3 year time period, and I believe I've had enough x-rays and ct scans to keep me glowing until my death!  The two bits of advise I recieved are to drink lots of water, and to incorporate lemons into my diet to prevent the formation of the stones.  I don't believe the lemons will disolve the stone he presently has, but it will help it from getting larger.  If you have any questions the experiance might answer, let me know, I'll try to teach you what I've learned.  I've had all the different possible procedures done except the actual cut and extract method.  (thankfully)  Hope you get this out soon!  They hurt so bad!
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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2006, 10:50:46 AM »
Jenny4Wen,

I've not studied this condition in humans; however, we've recently acquired some bunnies.  They were having troubles with their kidneys and the vet told us they had too much calcium in their diet and they weren't absorbing enough of it.  My guess is the situation is similar for humans? 

Since most of the calcium we get is in the form of store bought milk, we probably don't absorb enough of it, thus leading to buildup in the kidneys.  I did read recently to improve calcium absorbtion, to make sure you have enough magnesium in your diet.  If I remember correctly, I believe B12 is also a factor in good calcium absorbtion.

Maybe magnesium and B12 supplements could help prevent kidney stones - It's a thought.

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 12:01:44 PM »
Apparently there are a few different types of kidney stones. The common one has to do with calcium...not enough/too much. The type my pastor has is related to too much acid in the system. I haven't done any research on the different types, but the herbs Parsley, hydrangea root, gravel root, and pure cranberry juice are supposed to break them down and help them to pass. At least that's what my books and naturopath say.  Don't know if they work differently on different types of stones.

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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 05:42:09 AM »
This is my first time EVER in a chatroom, so pardon me if I'm not etiquette.  I am wondering if anyone has ever used a product called Uriflow.  It is supposed to be a natural way to dissolve kidney stones.  If you have ever used this product or any other natural way to dissolve a stone, I would appreciiate the input.  Thank you.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 05:49:28 AM »
Also if anyone has had success with preventing kidney stones in someone who has had a problem with them, I'd appreciate the info.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 06:09:36 AM »
I can't wait to hear responses on this one. My sister has CHRONIC kidney stones (1-2 a week), but she is also anorexic (has "control" issues with eating). I think this is why she has them chronically, but they also run in our family. In fact (not to brag here), but I delivered 2 kidney stones and 1 baby all within 6 hours of each other! Are you impressed?  :o

I read of a "natural?" remedy that involved drinking a 2 liter bottle of regular coke within 2 hours (I think), followed immediately by eating a bunch of cooked, pureed asparagus. It worked for me one time, but I don't like the idea of consuming that much soda! But when you have pain from kidney stones, you will try anything. I've never heard of the Uriflow, but I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else about it.

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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2006, 06:05:21 AM »
High acidity in the diet will always result in low calcium. I would press your doc on this a little and see if he knows the connection... if not, just drop the idea. Most docs might not know.

The bottom line is that many kidney stones can be helped by taking a balanced cal-mag supplement... just like a lot of other calcium problems. Bone Ami is one of the best cal-mag supplements we have found, and it is very fast acting... although I'm afraid it probably wont help much in an acute kidney stone situation.

The reason most kidney stones form is usually from too little mineral rich foods in the diet... no calcium, no magnesium, no potassium, etc. A lot of proteins in the diet only exacerbates the problem as proteins tend to acidify the system and more minearls are excreted when the system is acidic.

Probably there is not much that can be done for him how, but for those of you that have stones that have not yet passed, eat a lot more greens and a lot less proteins. I am not an advocate of vegetarianism, but the average American diet is way overloaded on proteins. Go to your local farmers market, buy broccoli, spinach, and all kinds of other greens... and eat them raw if you can. My kids and I love raw broccoli and those crazy kids will eat it until they get sick!

You might not like the idea of a lot of greens... but believe me, its better than passing a kidney stone...

OK, now here is a really weird story:

All you whiners need to buck up! Just kidding... but this is an interesting story.

My dad and his older brother have had chronic kidney stones for much of their adult lives. The docs tell them that they have a lot of stones and that they always will (my personal opinion is that it is high stress that keeps the system constantly acidic... and therefore mineral deficient... but, back to the story). My uncle has had several trips to the ER for morphine and body wracking pain... he says the morphine never really helps and all the docs do is give him morphine... so... the next time he had a kidney stone attack, he said,

"I just relaxed as much as I could, got in bed with a hot water pack, drank a bunch of water with lemon, and learned just how to hold my body so that the pain was minimized... and it passed... actually without much pain."

At this point he sort of chuckled... then said, "I've had a couple since then, and I have just learned to take it easy and pass them. I guess God made our bodies to adapt..."

OK... this is not a recommendation... just a story for, uh, educational purposes only.

De-stress, eat veggies, take a cal-mag supplement (Bone Ami is really great) and ease off on the burgers.

http://dcnutrition.com/minerals/Detail.CFM?RecordNumber=64

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 09:48:15 AM »
Well considering my previous month and the fact I got a Stone yesterday I would have to say Gabe is right on in saying stress can lead to Kidney stones!  :-X.   But here's my question:  I started out treating myself for a UTI a couple of days before the stone came on and so I was taking lots of cranberry pills and vitamin C.  If stones are brought on by an acidic system should I be careful how much Vit C I take since it is an acid???  ???  Because I seriously NEVER want to go through that again EVER!!!!  so just wondering...

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2006, 10:32:47 AM »
Possibly, but kidney stones are usually formed over longer periods of time. Also, even though Vitamin C is an acid... it does not have a strong acidifying effect on the body. I am not sure about Cranberry though.

Finally, many people have mentioned having very good results with kidney stones using the water cure...

Here is the Mother Thread for the Water Cure:

http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,369.0.html

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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2007, 09:30:22 AM »
My husband has had about 5 kidney stones in 8 yrs. All of them he has been able to pass but I wanted to know if there was an herb that can help prevent them....something he can take daily. Any help would be great!!!!
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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2007, 09:53:11 AM »
Hello,
Here's a quote from my favorite herb book, "Herbs for Health and Healing" by Kathi Keville on Kidney Stones;
"In some Herb books, it is said that lemon juice reduces the size of kidney stones, but most herval remedies, including those based on lemon juice and hydrangea, do not actually dissolve stones.  Instead, they help eliminate the stones and reduce or relieve the pain that occurs as they are eliminated.  The larger the stone, the more uncomfortable this can be.  Herbs that reduce infection, pain and spasms are cramp bark, goldenrod and joe-pye weed, aptly nick-named "gravel root" for its ability to get rid of stones.
Goldenrod has received official recognition in Germany for its effectiveness in getting rid of kidney stones......
Agrimony, horsetail, yarrow, shepherd's purse, Saint-John's-wort and nettles can also be used to reduce bleeding caused by kidney stones.
At least 75% of kidney stones are composed of calcium combined with phosphate or oxalic acid.  Medical experts believe that these stones result from an accumulation of unused calcium, and lack of exercise is generally thought to be a factor.  A study conducted in 1973 showed that cranberries help prevent stones in some people by reducing the excessive amounts of calcium commonly found in the urinary tract.  There is some scientific evidence that this may also be true of rose hips, which have traditionally been used to ease various urinary tract infections.  Since the calcium-phosphate stones are most common in alkaline urine, cranberries and other herbs that acidify urine also help prevent stones. 
Levels of the enzyme urease, which contributes to kidney stones, are increased by bacteria and the alkaline urine they produce.  Studies on Rosemary conducted Paraguay, where this herb is an important folk medicine, showed that it almost completely inhibits urease. 
If you are prone to kidney stones, play it safe and avoid such foods as rhubarb, spinach, beet greens, sorrel, green tea and chocolate.  All of these are rich in oxalic acid.  If you do eat these foods, try not to eat foods high in calcium at the same time - this means that spinach and cheese souffle or chocolate milk are especially problematic.
Uric acid stones are found in urine that is too acidic.  If you get this type of stone, eat cherries, strawberries, apple juice, asparagus and nettles to make your urine more alkaline.  Also consider changing your diet.  One thing that can cause overly acidic urine is an overabundance of protein.  The herbs meadowsweet, sarsaparilla, joe-pye weed and plantain (which is widely used by the Chinese to treat kidney problems) help rid the kidneys of excess uric acid.  This use for meadowsweet was acknowledged in a French medical journal in 1942.
KIDNEY STONE TEA:
2 tsp hydrangea root
1 tsp wild Yam root
1 tsp cramp bark
1 1/2 qt water
1 tsp joe-pye weed
1/2 tsp each of corn silk, plantain leaf, and yarrow root
-Add hydrangea, wild yam and cramp bark to water in a saucepan.  Bring to a boil, then turn down heat and simmer for 15 minutes.  Remove from heat, add other herbs, cover pan and steep for at least 20 minutes.  Strain and keep refridgerated.  Drink 3-4 cups daily.  If bleeding occurs, add 30 drops shepherd's purse tincture to each cup of tea.
A tea is especially appropriate when treating a kidney infection because you should already be drinking plenty of water to keep kidneys flushed and help prevent the stones from forming.  For convenience, you can also take this formula as a tincture; take 2-3 dropperfuls a day."

That was long but hopefully helpful!

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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2007, 01:10:51 PM »
Thank you so much. I am not sure which kind of stone he has but he works out every other day at the gym (they have one at the police dept where he works). I am going to print your info off and let him read it. I think he will extemely happy. Thanks so much. How do you get your picture there at the right of the post?
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2007, 01:51:48 AM »
I've never had them, but did stumble upon something while researching the vitamin k shot.  http://www.spineuniverse.com/print.php/article1127.html

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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2007, 08:28:40 AM »
I have a 34 week preggo friend, in the hospital right now to try to stop labor (dialated to 4-lots of contractons), babies breech...we were trying to figure that whole thing out and now found out she has kidney stones!!! Any ideas for things safe while preggo?

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2007, 12:43:10 PM »
My husband had a kidney stone and we learned that lemon juice dissolves kidney stones.  So he drank alot of lemnon water like thats all he drank for a day strong lemon water......and he was supposed to strain his urine anyway he only passed grit he never passed the stone and yet it seemed like everything cleared up.  Its been a year and a half now and no more stones.   The FUNNY thing was that the urologist said the grit could have never been the stone.   We are PERSUADED that the lemon water dissolved the stone into grit and he was able to pass it.   Summertime is the time people will get stones quicker because they don't drink enough.   Now my dh always has lemonade throughout the summer. 

Hope this helps I would think lemon water would be safe in pregnancy.
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Same thing for my hubby... actually the night he thought he was dying, I asked him to humor me and drink tons of water. Some gritty stuff passed, and the pain went away. Since then, he is an avid lemon water drinker. I think I found out about the lemon after the kidney stone incident.

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Re: Kidney Stones: Preventing, Dissolving and/or Passing
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2007, 02:39:00 PM »
I have a 34 week preggo friend, in the hospital right now to try to stop labor (dialated to 4-lots of contractons), babies breech...we were trying to figure that whole thing out and now found out she has kidney stones!!! Any ideas for things safe while preggo?


I had a kidney stone while 6 months pregnant. I took the marshmallow root, drank a lot of fresh squeezed lemon juice and tons of water. Push the fluids, that seems to be the number one preventative for stones. From my research while I was pregnant calcium stones supposedly cannot be dissolved, uric acid stones can. The Lord graciously took my stones away- they found an 8mm stone on the ultrasound during my 25th week, which the urologist said could not possibly pass or dissolve (he was convinced it was a calcium stone). At a month postpartum I had an x-ray and... no stone! Back to the question though... I stayed away from the parsley because I read that was not good during pregnancy. Really the water, and what others have said about the calcium- it's not that you need to stay away from calcium but the opposite- your body is not absorbing it correctly and the excess is building up into stones. Hope any of that helps!


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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2007, 11:38:30 AM »
hmm...maybe its an imbalance of cal and mag or not enough v-c or something....interesting stuff..thank you guys for all the info...they won't let her out of the hospital now cause she is dialted to 4 and 50% effaced...and getting hospitals to let you use any form of alternative medicine seems like a long shot...I'll have to find out if they know what kind...thx again

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2007, 10:52:21 AM »
I don't know where to put this, or how to start a new thread.. but I believe I am having a kidney stone, again. I have had 2 in the past, this time, feels the same way.   I don't think it's a bladder infection, it doesn't burn, etc..
It started yesterday morning, the same way the other two did.
The pain has been gone since yesterday afternoon, mostly.. this time I got smart to start drinking a lot of water.. I'm not a big water drinker, and I am a huge sweet eater.. not a good combination for a stone maker.
I started drinking apple cider vinegar and water- and then lots of plain water.
Still no stone.  A small amount of pain down low, now. More like in my groin and some spasms down "real low"-- hopefully this thing is trying to get out.
I don't know what else to do to speed it along.  I want it out.
I am feeling a bit of pain, as I said, but it's not up high in hte back anymore, but down low (in the front) groinish area.
I have been drinking lots of water, and now I have to go to the bathroom a lot, and it feels like there is some pressure there.
All I have in the house are the following:
garlic
coconut oil
olive oil
apples
bananas
orange juice
lemons
parsley
apple cider vinegar
ginger
will any of this help, and will you all please pray that this goes away, and passes- without any problems.
I am actually feeling drained and tired- probably from worrying about it, and the fact that i'm not 20 anymore. More like twice that.

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2007, 11:14:28 AM »
Juicing the lemons in water would be good- it can dissolve certain kinds of stones. Drink way more water than you feel comfortable with... waaaaay more. That should help push it along- it's great that it was able to pass out of the kidney. The garlic couldn't hurt anything and would prevent any infection (not very likely if it is already passing out). Hope that helps.

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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2008, 11:10:19 PM »
I just heard that if you have a current kidney stone that if you drink the juice of 6 fresh squeezed lemons that the acid in the lemons will break the stone up so you can pass it easier. Just what I've heard. HTH!

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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2008, 03:19:49 AM »
From the book The Cure and Prevention of all Cancers by Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D. (ISBN 978-1-890035-58-7) Pages 592-594

KIDNEY CLEANSE
1st Preparation:
  each cup of (organic/chemical free):
    * dried Hydrangea root (hydrangea arborescens)
    * Gravel root ( Eupatorium purpureum)
    * Marshmallow root (Althea officinallis)

Measure 1/4 cup of each root (this is half your supply) and set them to soak, together, in 10 cups of water, using a high-quality stainless steel saucepan ("tested for seeping"). Soak at least 4 hours or overnight. Add 8 ounces black cherry concentrate, heat to boiling and simmer for 20 minutes. Drink 1/4 cup as soon as it is cool enough. Pour the rest through a stainless steel strainer and into a sterile jar. Refrigerate.

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Save the roots after the first boiling, storing them in the freezer. After 13 days when your supply runs low, boil the same roots a second time, but add only six cups water and simmer only 10 minutes. This will last another eight days, for a total of three weeks.

After three weeks, repeat with fresh herbs. You need to do the Kidney Cleanse for six weeks to get good results, longer for severe problems.


2nd Preparation:      
    * 4   bunches of fresh parsley, rinsed
    * 1   quart of water

Boil for 5 minutes
Drink 1/4 cup as soon as it is cool enough.
Refrigerate a pint and freeze 1 pint, discard the parsley.

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"Each morning, pour together 3/4 cup of the root tea and 1/2 cup of the parsley water. Drink in divided doses throughout the day. Refrigerate. Do not drink it all at once or you will get a stomachache & feel pressure in your bladder. If your stomach is very sensitive, start on half this dose. But if your problem is severe, such as ascites [abdominal buildup of fluid in the abdomen], increase to a double dose by the 3rd day and keep this up till the ascites is reduced."

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Also take:
  • ginger capsules: 2 with each meal (6 a day) for 1 week only
  • Uva Ursi capsules: 2 with each meal (6 a day) for 1 week only
  • Magnesium oxide (300 mg.): one a day 10 minutes before a meal

Genger and Uva Ursi remove methyl malonate from the kidneys, which clogs them. It is also the cause of kidney failure and cystic kidneys (see page 459). Take these supplements 5 to 10 minutes before your meal to avoid burping. If you are already taking these supplements, omit them here. The parsley combines with each one of the 5 malonic acid memberst that I call the M Family, and remoes them.

Some notes on this recipe: this herbal tea, as well as the parsley, can easily spoil. Heat it to boiling every third day if it is being stored in the refrigerator to reduce bacteria. After this you may take it to work without refrigerating it. . .
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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2008, 10:15:41 AM »
i posted this elsewhere, but wanted to see if others who have done any kind of kidney cleansing have had these kinds of problems.  here is hubby's story:

my hubby is doing the Dr. Schulze Kidney detox now, and i am being thankful i decided to wait til after Christmas!  he has felt very sick all day and had a terrible headache (caffeine withdrawl we think).   :P he's been in the bathroom 5 times with BM's and probly diarrhea, then hurled everything he has ingested today.  he is following the directions to a T.  he has done the lemon/lime/cayenne drink, detox tea, and detox formula.  had a salad for lunch with only vinegar/ACV dressing.  he has had a really poor diet the last few days and woke up with swollen feet today.  he had decided last night to start this today.  i can understand the feeling cruddy and detoxy, but throwing up?   ???  any ideas why this would happen?
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2008, 10:27:43 AM »
I can tell you that those are common symptoms when passing a kidney stone (including throwing up) so maybe some sludge or gravel is breaking loose &/or being passed. Besides, vomiting is possible with any detoxing. HTH Blessings ~herbalmom